From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:13:51 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:13:51 -0400 Subject: Ping? Message-ID: Are we back? (Sept 12th) There is an argument to be made that "TLUG" is the mailing list; if that falls silent, then the result is that TLUG "is no more." Hopefully something's back... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:14:22 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:14:22 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG Meeting, Tuesday Sept 13, 7:30pm. In-Reply-To: <1126559238.11566.1.camel-ccvjzJVizCz5OPYHOmv4JA@public.gmane.org> References: <1126559238.11566.1.camel@pentagon.ss.org> Message-ID: <4325EFAE.7010806@rogers.com> Drew Sullivan wrote: > TLUG meetings are held at the University of Toronto on the second > Tuesday of each month at 7:30 pm. > > Date > > Tuesday August 9, 2005 Geezzz!!! I'm going to have to hurry to make that one! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:17:43 2005 From: stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org (Stephen Clarke) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:17:43 -0400 Subject: Looking for a good book on SQUID Message-ID: <20050912211731.PWNS21026.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Can anyone recommend a good book on SQUID? Thanks, Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:19:38 2005 From: stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org (Stephen Clarke) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:19:38 -0400 Subject: Ping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050912211927.BWMV16985.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Christopher, I think that would be a yes! Stephen -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Browne Sent: September 12, 2005 5:14 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Ping? Are we back? (Sept 12th) There is an argument to be made that "TLUG" is the mailing list; if that falls silent, then the result is that TLUG "is no more." Hopefully something's back... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:23:29 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:23:29 -0400 Subject: Ping? In-Reply-To: <20050912211927.BWMV16985.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> References: <20050912211927.BWMV16985.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Stephen Clarke wrote: > Christopher, > > I think that would be a yes! Indeed. What is rather interesting is that mail from last week wasn't sitting queued up... I'd not be shocked if we get some mail dribbling in overnite that got "stuck" here and there. But I'd also not be shocked if a lot just plain got lost... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 9 18:28:41 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:28:41 -0400 Subject: ping? Message-ID: <4321D459.1020105@alteeve.com> I haven't heard a peep from TLUG in a while... is the mailing list down? Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:26:24 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:26:24 -0400 Subject: Looking for a good book on SQUID In-Reply-To: <20050912211731.PWNS21026.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> References: <20050912211731.PWNS21026.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Stephen Clarke wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good book on SQUID? points to just one option, namely the ORA book, "Squid: The Definitive Guide." I don't know if it's good or not; I don't think there are alternatives out there if it isn't... Amazon reviews seem pretty positive... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:28:49 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:28:49 -0400 Subject: ping? In-Reply-To: <4321D459.1020105-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4321D459.1020105@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050912212849.GD28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:28:41PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > I haven't heard a peep from TLUG in a while... is the mailing list down? The wiki at tlug.ss.org said it was. I guess it no longer is. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:30:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:30:19 -0400 Subject: Ping? In-Reply-To: References: <20050912211927.BWMV16985.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Message-ID: <20050912213019.GE28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:23:29PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Indeed. What is rather interesting is that mail from last week wasn't > sitting queued up... > > I'd not be shocked if we get some mail dribbling in overnite that got > "stuck" here and there. But I'd also not be shocked if a lot just > plain got lost... I had a few bounce and comeback as undeliverable. 10+ days is longer than most mail servers will retry for. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:44:21 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:44:21 -0400 Subject: Debian testing dist-upgrade? Message-ID: <20050912214421.GA22379@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> This is slightly Debian-specific, but I have just come back from two weeks away and I find that an "apt-get dist-upgrade" calls for a huge number of changes. I have never had the slightest trouble before, but one of the changes appears to be the adoption of xorg. x-window-system-core is being kept back, and I feel unsettled about this migration. Has anyone else done this? Have you had trouble? Is this migration (from XFree86 to Xorg) a good thing? Enquiring minds want to know :-) -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 21:54:16 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:54:16 -0400 Subject: Debian testing dist-upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20050912214421.GA22379-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912214421.GA22379@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4325F908.9010103@utoronto.ca> William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: >This is slightly Debian-specific, but I have just come back from two >weeks away and I find that an "apt-get dist-upgrade" calls for a huge >number of changes. I have never had the slightest trouble before, but >one of the changes appears to be the adoption of xorg. >x-window-system-core is being kept back, and I feel unsettled about this >migration. > >Has anyone else done this? Have you had trouble? Is this migration >(from XFree86 to Xorg) a good thing? Enquiring minds want to know :-) > > XFree86 is a dying project as far as I know. There has been a fairly wide level of acceptance of the new Xorg server among developers and distros. I've been using the Xorg server on FC3 without any incident and the future looks quite bright for the project. My impressions are that Xorg is the future and frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long for debian to make the switch. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 22:00:25 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:00:25 -0400 Subject: Debian testing dist-upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20050912214421.GA22379-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912214421.GA22379@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050912220025.GF28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:44:21PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > This is slightly Debian-specific, but I have just come back from two > weeks away and I find that an "apt-get dist-upgrade" calls for a huge > number of changes. I have never had the slightest trouble before, but > one of the changes appears to be the adoption of xorg. > x-window-system-core is being kept back, and I feel unsettled about this > migration. > > Has anyone else done this? Have you had trouble? Is this migration > (from XFree86 to Xorg) a good thing? Enquiring minds want to know :-) Given the slow progress of xfree86 developers (for many years), and that xfree86's new license policy makes it non-free and possibly even non distributable at all, x.org is a good thing. It has more features, is more up to date, has nice quick responsive development and is sticking to using a free license for code. I didn't see much trouble transitioning to x.org and all the new C++ abi2 (all the *c2 packages). It has taken a few weeks to really finish clearing but it's almost done (I only have 3 packages left waiting for something to transition or be recompiled). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 22:02:15 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:02:15 -0400 Subject: Debian testing dist-upgrade? In-Reply-To: <4325F908.9010103-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912214421.GA22379@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4325F908.9010103@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050912220215.GG28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:54:16PM -0400, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > XFree86 is a dying project as far as I know. There has been a fairly > wide level of acceptance of the new Xorg server among developers and > distros. I've been using the Xorg server on FC3 without any incident > and the future looks quite bright for the project. My impressions are > that Xorg is the future and frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long > for debian to make the switch. Getting xfree86 to compile and work on 15 architectures is a lot of work. They had 4.3 working, so that's what they released with. No other distribution has ever attempted that. The xfree86 developers never did care about anything other than the architecture they themselves used. Now that Sarge is out and released, they really started work on getting x.org to work on all the architectures and getting all their patches to apply for that. It seems to have finally made it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 22:16:06 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:16:06 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU Message-ID: Hey all! I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available with a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please let me know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't mind selling! Thanks Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 22:21:22 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:21:22 -0400 Subject: Debian testing dist-upgrade? In-Reply-To: <20050912214421.GA22379-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912214421.GA22379@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050912222122.GA29608@grad11.philosophy.utoronto.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:44:21PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > This is slightly Debian-specific, but I have just come back from two > weeks away and I find that an "apt-get dist-upgrade" calls for a huge > number of changes. I have never had the slightest trouble before, but > one of the changes appears to be the adoption of xorg. > x-window-system-core is being kept back, and I feel unsettled about this > migration. > > Has anyone else done this? Have you had trouble? Is this migration > (from XFree86 to Xorg) a good thing? Enquiring minds want to know :-) It is indeed a Good Thing. But one problem bit me badly over the weekend, and perhaps you can avoid it. It's not a problem with Xorg at all -- Xorg is a treat -- but it showed up along the way. As described, I did the mega-update in testing. The problem is that aptitude (or apt-get) wanted to upgrade *both* fontconfig and a font called ttf-opensymbol. Well, it got fontconfig ready, but, as usual, hadn't configured it, when it moved on to ttf-opensymbol, and tried to install it. Disaster! Because ttf-opensymbol couldn't be installed, since it depends in both preinst and postrm scripts on running fontconfig (actually fc-cache), which it couldn't do because, well, it hadn't been installed. So ttf-opensymbol is left half-installed. On to fontconfig, which can't be installed either, because it keeps breaking on ttf-opensymbol. The result is a pair of packages that are stuck, each half-installed. The worst of it is, all sorts of things depend on fontconfig. OpenOffice depends on ttf-opensymbol, so it won't install/load/run, but fontconfig is far more insidious. Most window managers run fc-cache when launched, for instance, but since fontconfig is only half-installed it segfaults and crashes Xorg. That's actually how I discovered the problem, and I spent hours thinking it was an xorg.conf problem before figuring it out. My solution, which is half-baked, was to edit the preinst instructions for the .deb file for ttf-opensymbol. Not a great idea, but it worked. The problem is listed as a "minor bug" against ttf-opensymbol in the Debian buglist. It was a lot more than minor, I thought. On the plus side, Xorg is a very clean program, and it feels to me to be much snappier than XFree86. I've been running Xorg on OpenBSD (one computer) and Debian Unstable (two computers) for several months now, and it's well-behaved and light on its feet. I was waiting impatiently for Xorg to finally hit testing, and, despite the troubles, I'm glad it has. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 12 23:49:07 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:49:07 -0400 Subject: Software Disaster Message-ID: <20050912234907.GA15950@ee.ryerson.ca> For those who are interested in software failures, the latest (September) issue of IEEE Spectrum has an interesting article on the FBI Virtual Case File, a software system that was scrapped after spending 170M$. The same issue has a 'software hall of shame' that lists similar failures, some with costs into the billions. For the FBI, I can only hope the spooks are better at finding criminals than they are at putting together a computer system. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 00:10:29 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:10:29 -0400 Subject: SATA OK? (and other questions for a new system Message-ID: <432618F5.3060803@telly.org> [ Now that the list is back up, let me re-send something that I tried sending last week... ] Hello all, I'm shopping for a replacement system soon, mainly server purposes for the home network (Samba, Hylafax) but occasionally some KDE desktop stuff and maybe even as a boot server for a thin client. So far it looks like it'll be an Athlon 64 mounted in an MSI or Asus mobo mounted in an Antec Sonata2 case, 2GB RAM and a Geforce 6200 video card. There are a few remaining questions: 1) How important is it (given the above tasks) to spend $170 more to expand the RAM to 2GB? 2) Is there real value to doing HTML/DNS caching (Squid) for my other home systems? 3) What are the pros and cons of using Serial ATA drives as opposed to good old ATA-133 drives? 4) Would the use of PCI Express for the video instead of AGP cause me grief? 5) Is Nvidia still better supported by X than ATI at the low end ($75 cards) Any help is appreciated. Thanks! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:11:12 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:11:12 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43262730.3060401@rogers.com> Martin Duclos wrote: > Hey all! > I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a > replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available > with a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please > let me know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't > mind selling! Why not take advantage of this "opportunity" to upgrade your mother board? Perhaps an AMD 64 bit? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:15:38 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:15:38 -0400 Subject: Software Disaster In-Reply-To: <20050912234907.GA15950-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912234907.GA15950@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4326283A.5070308@rogers.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > For those who are interested in software failures, the latest (September) > issue of IEEE Spectrum has an interesting article on the FBI Virtual Case > File, a software system that was scrapped after spending 170M$. The same > issue has a 'software hall of shame' that lists similar failures, some with > costs into the billions. Here's another one. http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/09/HNhal9000_1.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:26:13 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Re:Installfest thoughts Message-ID: <20050913012613.87642.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The following was written about the time the TLUG mail list had it's problems, and so bounced. Now, with the general meeting September 13th, I would strongly suggest that candidates better than Edward Chin be found for GTALUG (and no, NOT ME), as he seems totally unable to grasp key points in the operation of a not-for-profit group. Colin McGregor --- echin wrote: > 1) If I understand your concern correctly, you are > worried about the liability > that Colin McGregor might incur. > My concern is that GTAlug and all the volunteers > (including Colin McGregor) > are covered. If this is your concern (and I hope it is), then please, please, please show it. And while liability is a key concern, I am also concerned about appearances, that we not look like a bunch of stupid jerks. > 2) As an officer of GTAlug, it is my > responsibility to protect the interests of > GTAlug to the best of my ability. Again, if this is your responsibility, then please, please, please do it. > 3) The GTAlug Installfest Release Form was > prepared based on the form at > http://ldp.rtin.bz/HOWTO/html_single/Installfest-HOWTO/ Again, none of the release forms on that website were checked by an Ontario based lawyer. Both release forms have potential problems in this province, both could lead us into SERIOUS trouble. > > which is part of The Linux Documentation Project. > > > > Added detail came from the Victoria Linux User > Group > > > > > http://distributions.linux.com/howtos/Installfest-HOWTO/legalprotection.shtml > > > > and the Kitchener-Waterloo Linux User Group > > http://www.thinkers.org/kwlug/waiver.php Ok, so did these people get it right? Did these people take some other user group release form, fiddle with it and trust that they Had everything covered? Was a typo made between what their lawyer might have come up with and getting it on to the website? I don't have an answer to these questions. I didn't even totally trust the lawyer I contacted, with reason. When I got the first draft back from the lawyer, I checked it as closely as a non-lawyer can check things, and saw one trivial word that seemed out of place, so I asked about it. Yes, even lawyers on occasion can/do make typos. So again, it is a case of check, double and triple check things. When it may be your tail on the legal line, trust no one. > 4) It may be noted that the Seneca College > version, http://linux.senecac.on.ca/survey.html > although brief, would probably suffice. No, the Seneca release form makes NO effort to limit liability in case someone gets physically hurt at Seneca. > 5) To respond to the question of checking by a > local lawyer, I trusted KWLUG and Seneca College.(A > mistake, perhaps?) Yes, a serious mistake. > As to a review of the release/waiver, I posted a > link on 10 Aug 05 to the > mailing list - well before 26 Aug 05. > > 6) With regards to multiple release/waiver forms, > the more; the better. Personally, I would like to > have every version, I could find, signed. Then there > might be less likelihood that there could be a claim > that all the release/waivers were not understood. This is INSANE!!! If I went to an event and I was asked to sign a dozen release forms all saying almost the same thing I would: - Assume I am dealing with a bunch of total incompetent idiots. - Not sign anything then run (not walk) away. I mean how hard is it to find a local lawyer who can come write and/or check a release form so that we are legally protected? The answer is, it isn't hard. > 7) Since the GTAlug Installfest Release Form was > prepared and printed by 18 Aug 05(see mailing > list)well before Colin McGregor prepared his 26 Aug > 05 version, it might imply that Mr. McGregor has > less confidence in the GTAlug or any other version. I don't trust ANY form that has NOT been checked by a local lawyer. As the form Eddie came up with was not checked by a local lawyer, I don't trust it, period. > Also, there was NEVER any suggestion that Mr. > McGregor nor any volunteer could not have their own > personal waiver form. Ok, so are you saying that each volunteer in the room is supposed to have there own release form (in addition to I assume one for the whole room)... The mind boggles... > NOR was there any suggestion that volunteers (we are > all volunteers) could not take steps to indemnify > themselves. > > To suggest that GTAlug or any of its members would > > expose volunteers or anyone > > to liability is a very unworthy comment to make. > > It is an insulting and libelous lie. Look, Eddie, anybody can sue anybody else for ANY reason, that is the law. I COULD legally sue you because I thought your hair wasn't the right shade of green. Any fair/sane court would laugh such a hair colour lawsuit out of court instantly, and then you could counter-sue for my causing such legal annoyance. A counter suit over a past frivolous lawsuit would almost certainly win (explains why the courts are not clogged with suits over things like hair colour). GTAlug by doing an installfest DOES expose the people involved to liability, might not very much, but yes there are liability issue. The small amount of liability can be brought to effectively zero with a PROPER release form, one checked by a local lawyer. I said effectively zero in the above paragraph because someone could still sign the form, have problems then go to court saying something like "I was was mentally incompetent when I signed the form, the install fest people must have known this, and I should be allowed to sue for $$$". A proper bank vault does not stop ALL bad people and a proper release form will not stop all legal issues, but proper precautions reduces the chance of trouble to ALMOST nothing. Technically speaking GTAlug does expose people people to risk and liability on a regular basis (people could get killed in traffic coming/going to meetings). Likewise, volunteers could be sued for not doing enough to promote GTAlug to blue haired, bankrupt, blind, black lesbians (like I said about anyone can sue for any reason). The only real question is how do we reduce the risk and liability down to such a very low level that it becomes basically a joke. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:29:40 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:29:40 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU References: <43262730.3060401@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5b802$ae94a630$6501a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Knott" To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU > Martin Duclos wrote: > > Hey all! > > I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a > > replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available > > with a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please > > let me know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't > > mind selling! > > Why not take advantage of this "opportunity" to upgrade your mother > board? Perhaps an AMD 64 bit? I'll second that one. New AMD 64's can be found from about $220. A new mobo would definitely bring other improvements too. My experience in trying to get "vintage" AMD's (new or used) is that they are hard to come by. Perhaps because people like them so much they never part with them! Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:37:54 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:37:54 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: <000d01c5b802$ae94a630$6501a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> References: <43262730.3060401@rogers.com> <000d01c5b802$ae94a630$6501a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> Message-ID: <43262D72.60900@rogers.com> Francois Ouellette wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Knott" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU > > >>Martin Duclos wrote: >>>Hey all! >>>I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a >>>replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available >>>with a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please >>>let me know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't >>>mind selling! >>Why not take advantage of this "opportunity" to upgrade your mother >>board? Perhaps an AMD 64 bit? > > I'll second that one. New AMD 64's can be found from about $220. A new mobo > would definitely bring other improvements too. > > My experience in trying to get "vintage" AMD's (new or used) is that they > are hard to come by. > Perhaps because people like them so much they never part with them! My MB has an Athlon XP 1700+. I'd like to upgrade it to a 2400+ (the fastest the MB will take), but they're scarce. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:50:04 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:50:04 -0400 Subject: Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4326304C.8090105@utoronto.ca> [Sent at the start of the TLUG list blackout, resending now.] Christopher Browne wrote: >My reaction to this is "Isn't there a risk of legal paralysis in this > >paranoia???" > >Putting myself in the shoes of an outsider for a moment, if I saw a >"slickly-lawyerly-worded form," I would wonder why a bunch of >"computer hackers" felt the activity to be SO risky that they consider >it vital to so conspicuously and *precisely legally* disclaim >responsibility. > >It would definitely leave me suspicious, and more than a little >disinclined to sign off. > >Taking off those shoes again, I certainly don't object to the notion >of having a lawyer look at release forms, but if it NEEDS to lead to a >whole diarrhea of legal verbiage, I start to wonder if this doesn't >mean that running an InstallFest is a "supremely legally risky" >endeavour that perhaps we need to steer clear of. > >That is, if avoiding legal entanglements in some given activity makes >it mandatory to have a frightening, unreadable set of technical legal >disclaimers, perhaps the activity has become one which Legal Dangers >has essentially rendered into a state where we can't do it. > >Shall I reword that a third time? If putting on an InstallFest is >*so* unsafe, legally speaking, that we need for participants to sign >off on fairly intense legal contracts, doesn't that suggest that an >InstallFest is too risky (from a legal perspective) for a volunteer >organization to run? > > I'm not sure that installfests are that unsafe legally speaking but that society as a whole is that litigous. Putting on an event for the general public means that the people at the installfest are going to be interacting with strangers who may or may not fully understand the nature of what they are having done to their computer. Add to the mix that, for many people, their computer contains a large amount of sensitve and important documents and we come to a situation where people have a lot to loose if things go south. It only takes one lawsuit to ruin a persons financial future and I don't think anyone wants to risk that by volunteering. This means we need to have release forms and, frankly, a release form that isn't legally sound isn't worth the paper its written on. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 01:50:12 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:50:12 -0400 Subject: Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: <20050828144103.2485.qmail-JoSsSUNfUciB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43263054.3020608@utoronto.ca> [Sent at the start of the TLUG list blackout, resending now.] Colin McGregor wrote: >- Did I not promote the event in the right places? > > No, I think computer stores and college/university campuses are exactly the right places to promote events like this. Students and people who frequent computer stores are the audience that an installfest should be aiming at. People more technically inclined are likely to have already given it a shot and those less inclined are unlikely to even know what Linux is or have an interest in it. >- Was the date wrong (i.e.: end of summer)? > > YES! End of summer means that students (and most everyone else) is busy enjoying what little nice weather we have left and (for the students) preparing for the coming year of school. Not exactly a time when people want to spend time messing with their computer. Although, as I recall from some early emails about this event, the idea was to have the "first one" at a time when there wouldn't be a large response so that organizers could get a feel for how things work. >- Something else? > > This is pure speculation, but I wonder whether or not the technical community has moved past the need/desire for linux installfests. Linux has gotten a lot easier to install on anything but the most unusual of hardware. It has also gotten a lot easier to get with the proliferation of high speed internet connections and CD burners not to mention availability in brick-and-mortar stores. So for a moderately competant computer user there isn't much need to attend an installfest. For anyone less competant I'm not sure that they will know enough of Linux to really understand what it is or why they may want it. >Other concerns, who speaks for GTALUG? I arranged for >a release form (not needed this time out) to be >checked and vetted by a local lawyer. Part way through >the event I found those forms had been hidden under a >pile of release forms that as far as I could tell had >NOT been checked by an Ontario lawyer (never mind by >one that I trust). Now, again the comes questions >comes up, who speaks for GTALUG, at least for this >this event I thought I was... Further could these >other release forms expose myself and/or GTALUG to >legal liability? > It really seems that GTALUG has a very serious communication problem and this event just goes to illustrate it. According to one post on this thread, this other form was posted on August 10th and run through some set of clearings. That no one noticed that Colin was apparently also creating/checking/clearing a release form and did the courteous thing of emailing him about this is really a shame. As far as I saw on this list, Colin was the "point man" for organizing this event but it seems that GTALUG was also doing some of their own organization without really talking to Colin. Stepping on the work of a volunteer is not the way to encourage more of it and I hope that Colin is not too jaded by this experience, as it seems he did an excellent job of putting everything together. This kind of event is precisely what GTALUG should help run more smoothly since there is one centralized body in charge and in the know. I don't want to start another pointless flamewar about the necessity/validity/authority/whatever of GTALUG but if the GTALUG people are listening, a community group only works so long as the community supports and interacts with it. Without better communication with and sensitivity towards the community GTALUG risks being effectively stillborn. I sincerely hope that the annual general meeting in September serves to improve the situation. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 9 22:44:07 2005 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:44:07 -0400 Subject: OT ESR MS Offer :-) Message-ID: <43221037.2050603@golden.net> Quite a good laugh enjoy. http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 02:07:05 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:07:05 -0400 Subject: Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: <20050913012613.87642.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050913012613.87642.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Colin McGregor wrote: > And while liability is a key concern, I am also > concerned about appearances, that we not look like a > bunch of stupid jerks. Right. And based on the discussion thread that has surrounded this, both aspects seem more than amply represented. > No, the Seneca release form makes NO effort to limit > liability in case someone gets physically hurt at > Seneca. Well, based on the matters that y'all seem to need to feel paranoid about, it seems to me that the risk of legal liability must be sufficiently dangerous that perhaps operating InstallFests is a foolishly reckless thing to do. Forget about whether you've got "the right" waiver; if the dangers are so great, then anyone that heads to an InstallFest and signs a waiver, thereby relinquishing their legal rights, is also doing something legally reckless. And if running such an activity is going to leap people into using terms like "libel" then I can't see how this can be a useful "community activity." -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 04:30:32 2005 From: zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:30:32 -0500 Subject: reading Corel Draw files with Linux? Message-ID: <432655E8.9090604@zee4.com> Does anyone know of a Linux app that can read Corel Draw (v8+) files? Thanks, Zoltan -- www.YYZTech.ca Toronto talks tech. www.Dine.TO Toronto's premier restaurant search engine. Get Thunderbird -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 03:46:03 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:46:03 -0400 Subject: [OT] Fun with XP's voice dictation Message-ID: <4326133B.25177.161FF97@localhost> Sorry if this is off-topic. I thought it would elicit a slight chuckle in some of you: I just had to share this with you. yesterday I was demonstrating over the e-mail an example of voice dictation using XP's voice dictation feature. I read to him a verse out of the book of genesis 1:1 very quickly so that he could get some idea about the technology. the following was the result, unedited: genesis one first one new American Bible: in the beginning when god created the heavens and the wrote the earth was a foremost wasteland and dark to script of the abyss while MIT wind swept over the waters. Well, maybe you just had to be there. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 03:44:53 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:44:53 -0400 Subject: Everybody Loves (Eric) Raymond Message-ID: <43264B35.7050301@telly.org> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 04:31:38 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:31:38 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050913043138.GA2106@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:16:06PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > Hey all! > I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a > replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available with > a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please let me > know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't mind > selling! > Thanks > Martin Mercury motherboard comes with XP 2000+ (soldered right on to the board) and VIA video/sound/lan. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 04:40:00 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:40:00 -0400 Subject: SATA OK? (and other questions for a new system In-Reply-To: <432618F5.3060803-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <432618F5.3060803@telly.org> Message-ID: <20050913044000.GB2106@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:10:29PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > [ Now that the list is back up, let me re-send something that I tried > sending last week... ] > > > Hello all, > > I'm shopping for a replacement system soon, mainly server purposes for the > home network (Samba, Hylafax) but occasionally some KDE desktop stuff and > maybe even as a boot server for a thin client. > > So far it looks like it'll be an Athlon 64 mounted in an MSI or Asus mobo > mounted in an Antec Sonata2 case, 2GB RAM and a Geforce 6200 video card. > There are a few remaining questions: > > 1) How important is it (given the above tasks) to spend $170 more to expand > the RAM to 2GB? This depends on how many thin-clients you'll be using simultaneously, and how hard the server will be put to test. As point of reference, if your server can handle X simultaneous users, then it should be able to handle X thin-clients. Thin-clients has XDM/GDM/KDM overhead, but it's surprisingly low. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 6 20:51:26 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:51:26 +0000 Subject: OCR under Linux Message-ID: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> I've got a client that I'm helping to escape the claws of the Great Beast - he's swinging towards Linux for his next desktop. Th only sticking point is that he wants to scan newspaper articles and OCR them. I don't do much scanning so I'm not sure about the state of the art in linux OCR. Anyone have any recommendations, tips etc? Rob -- Rob Sutherland - http://www.cheapersafer.com Business Computer Support and Training -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 05:20:07 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:20:07 -0400 Subject: Ping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050913052007.GA2184@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:13:51PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > Are we back? (Sept 12th) > > There is an argument to be made that "TLUG" is the mailing list; if > that falls silent, then the result is that TLUG "is no more." > > Hopefully something's back... I knew peace and quiet was too good to last... -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 05:41:37 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:41:37 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re:Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: <20050913012613.87642.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050913012613.87642.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050913054137.GB2184@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 09:26:13PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > I don't trust ANY form that has NOT been checked by a > local lawyer. As the form Eddie came up with was not > checked by a local lawyer, I don't trust it, period. I don't understand. Both you and Ed copied from the same website. Ed copied Release/Waiver form, while you copied only Waiver form. This pissing contest is moot. InstallFest is no longer relevant, because installing Linux from CD is simple enough. GTALUG should be looking at the "next step", ie. "Now that I installed Linux on my machine, what the heck do I do with it?" Target audience could be students, sysadmin, business, etc. This means that GTALUG must offer something which these target audiences wants and keep coming back. Hence, my thought on "tutorials on XXX". -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 06:03:22 2005 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:03:22 -0400 Subject: NerdTV Message-ID: <61e9e2b10509122303143cacd8@mail.gmail.com> Cool and worth downloading the entire video... Robert Cringely launched his NerdTV - http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/ - last week: NerdTV is a new weekly online TV show from PBS.org technology columnist Robert X. Cringely. NerdTV is essentially Charlie Rose for geeks - a one-hour interview show with a single guest from the world of technology... distributed under a Creative Commons license so viewers can legally share the shows with their friends and even edit their own versions. Andy Hertzfeld of Mac fame was the guest of the first episode, and Linus Torvalds is scheduled for an episode in November. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 11:06:31 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:06:31 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: <20050913043138.GA2106-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050913043138.GA2106@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: ] On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:16:06PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > Hey all! > I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a > replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available with > a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please let me > know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't mind > selling! > Thanks > Martin Mercury motherboard comes with XP 2000+ (soldered right on to the board) and VIA video/sound/lan. Where would I come by such a motherboard? Budget considerations guided me to getting the replacement CPU only. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 11:07:30 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:07:30 +0300 (IDT) Subject: how to add file type handler to firefox ? Message-ID: Hi all, firefox is 'the most configurable browser' etc but I have a great time trying to add a new file type handler to it, or finding information about how to do it. The next step will be to get the source and disassemble it and find out. Before I do that, has anyone got a solution for this. The solution should be cross platform. Please do not point me to tutorials on the web, or to hearsay, as I can use (and have used) a search engine myself. Please only answer if you have actually done this (added a NEW protocol handler for a protocol that is not supported by default, BY HAND or BY SCRIPT, i.e. not using a third party application). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 12:12:18 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:12:18 -0400 Subject: OT ESR MS Offer :-) In-Reply-To: <43221037.2050603-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <43221037.2050603@golden.net> Message-ID: "I'm your worst nightmare." I remember that from Revolution OS. I don't agree with everything ESR has to say, but he can generate quite a few good laughs. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 12:17:21 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux Microsoft Drivers? Message-ID: <20050913121721.67346.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ok, so I have a Microsoft keyboard and mouse on my (main) home Linux box. Both the keyboard and mouse have special goodies that it would be nice to be able to use under Linux, the question is how? For the keyboard (a Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard 1.0), there are several special function keys above the regular keys (i.e. mute, play/pause, stop, fast forward, rewind, etc.), and the question is how to put those to effective use under Linux? For the mouse (a Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse 2.0), the scroll wheel can be pushed left/right (and the right software can detect this, meaning the scroll wheel can send up, down, left, right, or click to the computer). As well the mouse sends (or can be made to send) information about the battery status (I would (sort of) love to say get periodic e-mails that said stuff like "The rechargeable batteries in the mouse on ONYX are down to 10% charge and need to be recharged"). Again looking for a driver that can allow me to use this mouse's features to the full. Now, not to put the keyboard or mouse down, they both work ok as is, I would just like to make better use of both items. Further I don't think there would be any convincing Microsoft themselves to write Linux drivers :-) . Colin McGregor P.S. I have named all the computers on my home network after different types of stone, so there is onyx, ruby, topaz, opal, pearl, and mica. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 12:22:13 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:22:13 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: References: <20050913043138.GA2106@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050913122213.GA2020@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 07:06:31AM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > > Mercury motherboard comes with XP 2000+ (soldered right on to the > > board) and VIA video/sound/lan. > > > Where would I come by such a motherboard? > Budget considerations guided me to getting the replacement CPU only. Logic Computer House has for $135, last time I checked. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 12:37:24 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:37:24 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <431E014E.8070501-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <4326C804.9050006@sympatico.ca> Rob Sutherland wrote: > > I'm not sure about the state of the art in linux OCR. Anyone have any > recommendations, tips etc? Dismal, sadly. gocr seems to be the only game in town (it's used as the backend for several other GUI projects), but you'll be correcting every other word. ScanShop used to be good and affordable for the non-corporate user. But now I think the basic package is over $1000. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 13:18:24 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:18:24 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <431E014E.8070501-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <20050913131824.GH28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:51:26PM +0000, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I've got a client that I'm helping to escape the claws of the Great > Beast - he's > swinging towards Linux for his next desktop. Th only sticking point is that > he wants to scan newspaper articles and OCR them. I don't do much > scanning so > I'm not sure about the state of the art in linux OCR. Anyone have any > recommendations, > tips etc? I haven't tried but here is a first place to look: athlon:~# apt-cache search ocr clara - Free OCR program for Unix Systems gocr - A command line OCR gocr-doc - gocr documentation gocr-gtk - A GTK wrapper around gocr gocr-tk - A tcl/tk wrapper around gocr gstreamer0.8-misc - Collection of various GStreamer plugins kaudiocreator - CD ripper and audio encoder frontend for KDE kooka - scanner program for KDE libgocr-dev - API set to write your own OCR engine - development files libgocr-doc - API set to write your own OCR engine - documentation libgocr0 - API set to write your own OCR engine - runtime libs nec - NEC2 Antenna Modelling System ocrad - Optical Character Recognition program quiteinsane - A Qt based X11 frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) ksocrat - English/Russian and Russian/English Dictionary ksocrat-data - English and Russian KSocrat data files ksubtitleripper - GUI for KDE to rip DVD subtitles pymusique - iTMS client gstreamer-misc - Collection of various GStreamer plugins I imagine a few false hits in there too. Details on the more obvious ones above: Package: clara Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 838 Maintainer: Eduardo Marcel Macan Architecture: i386 Version: 0.9.9-1.1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), xlibs (>> 4.1.0) Suggests: perl Filename: pool/main/c/clara/clara_0.9.9-1.1_i386.deb Size: 328666 MD5sum: a1a171738d30aa17ad9aa5b73d2b9285 Description: Free OCR program for Unix Systems Clara OCR is a free (GPL) OCR for systems that support the C library and the X window system (e.g. most flavours of Unix). . Clara OCR is intended for large scale digitalization projects. It features a powerful GUI and a web interface for cooperative digitalization of books. Tag: accessibility::ocr, interface::web, interface::x11, role::sw:application, use::converting, works-with::image:raster, x11::application Package: ocrad Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 380 Maintainer: Miguel Gea Milvaques Architecture: i386 Version: 0.12-2 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1) Filename: pool/main/o/ocrad/ocrad_0.12-2_i386.deb Size: 134628 MD5sum: 32187a0bb8a6cb561d4f528b540e0a53 Description: Optical Character Recognition program GNU Ocrad is an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program based on a feature extraction method. It reads a bitmap image in pbm format and produces text in byte (8-bit) or UTF-8 formats. . Ocrad includes a layout analyzer able to separate the columns or blocks of text normally found on printed pages. Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html Tag: interface::commandline, role::sw:utility, use::converting, works-with::image:raster Package: quiteinsane Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 1904 Maintainer: Aurelien Jarno Architecture: i386 Version: 0.10-8 Depends: libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libieee1284-3, libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3), libsane (>= 1.0.11-3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtiff4, libusb-0.1-4 (>= 1:0.1.10a), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxrandr2 | xlibs (>> 4.3.0), libxrender1, libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gocr Filename: pool/main/q/quiteinsane/quiteinsane_0.10-8_i386.deb Size: 846488 MD5sum: 3c05979c1a2b640c9f78ce8c99a11ecf Description: A Qt based X11 frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) QuiteInsane is a graphical frontend for SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy). It can save an image to a file in a variety of image formats, send an image to a printer or do OCR (Optical Character Recognition) using gocr. . SANE stands for "Scanner Access Now Easy" and is an application programming interface (API) that provides standardized access to any raster image scanner hardware (flatbed scanner, hand-held scanner, video- and still-cameras, frame-grabbers, etc.). . Author: Michael Herder Homepage: http://quiteinsane.sourceforge.net Tag: interface::x11, uitoolkit::qt, use::downloading, works-with::image:raster, x11::application Package: gocr Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 620 Maintainer: Cosimo Alfarano Architecture: i386 Version: 0.39-5 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libnetpbm10 Recommends: libjpeg-progs, bzip2, netpbm, transfig Suggests: gocr-doc Filename: pool/main/g/gocr/gocr_0.39-5_i386.deb Size: 306308 MD5sum: 3e11884d80d06716ce92726513724010 Description: A command line OCR gocr is a multi-platform OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program. . It can read pnm, pbm, pgm, ppm, some pcx and tga image files. . Currently the program should be able to handle well scans that have their text in one column and do not have tables. Font sizes of 20 to 60 pixels are supported. . If you want to write your own OCR, libgocr is provided in a separate package. Documentation and graphical wrapper are provided in separated packages, too. Tag: accessibility::ocr, interface::commandline, made-of::lang:c, role::sw:application, use::converting, works-with::image:raster Maybe something there works. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 13:21:06 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:21:06 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050913132106.GI28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:16:06PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: > I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a > replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available with > a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please let me > know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't mind I thought most boards that could run 266 could run 333 as well, but I guess there was the KT133A that certainly couldn't. Wow that's a while ago. You certainly aren't likely to find a new cpu that will work. Might really be simpler to declare the mainboard unusable and get a new board and cpu (hopefully one that can use your ram). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From systems-qMtYMQfCx00 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 13:40:14 2005 From: systems-qMtYMQfCx00 at public.gmane.org (Kyril Stoikopoulos) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:40:14 -0400 Subject: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU References: <20050913132106.GI28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <002901c5b868$aeab5220$cb00a8c0@stlc.com> ebay will have many, or try visiting this link http://www.sonnam.com/parts.asp?prod_gp=25&prod_code=219 they carry a lot of parts but ebay will be cheaper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: LOOKING FOR AMD CPU > On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 06:16:06PM -0400, Martin Duclos wrote: >> I've recently toasted an AMD cpu. I'm having difficulty finding a >> replacement at computer outlets. They only have the Semprons available >> with >> a FSB of 333. I need to get an AMD cpu that has a 266 FSB. Please let me >> know where I could find one or if someone has one they wouldn't mind > > I thought most boards that could run 266 could run 333 as well, but I > guess there was the KT133A that certainly couldn't. Wow that's a while > ago. > > You certainly aren't likely to find a new cpu that will work. Might > really be simpler to declare the mainboard unusable and get a new board > and cpu (hopefully one that can use your ram). > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 13:46:08 2005 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:46:08 -0400 Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? Message-ID: <4326D820.1090109@utoronto.ca> hey, we're back on line! I'll try this one again: Ho folks, My partner needs to print out copies of all the content in her mid-sized, statically-generated website (I know this is a stupid idea, but it's for her tenure file and there are lots and lots of stupid elements in this process). This seems like something one ought to be able to do automatically, e.g. with: wget -m -k http://some.website.com/ and then: #! /bin/bash find /path/to/top/level -type f -iname *.html | while read file; do html2ps -gn $file > "$file".ps ; done find /path/to/top/level -type f -iname *.html | while read psfile; do lpr $psfile done unfortunately, this doesn't work very well -- among other things, html2ps does some very strange things with the layout of the pages, apparently trying to cram all the text even in very long pages into a single 8.5x11 sheet of paper -- I've posted an example at http://www.racesci.org/test.ps (the original html file is at http://www.racesci.org/bibliographies/current_scholarship/sigerist.html ). Presumably this has something to do with the rendering bug mentioned in the html2ps man page: Rendering HTML tables well is a non-trivial task. For "real" tables, that is representation of tabu- lar data, html2ps usually generates reasonably good output. When tables are used for layout purposes, the result varies from good to useless. This is because a table cell is never broken across pages. So if a table contains a cell with a lot of con- tent, the entire table may have to be scaled down in size in order to make this cell fit on a single page. Sometimes this may even result in unreadable output. OK, I can see this is difficult to do. But is there another command-line solution to my problem? It bugs me that there isn't a simple tool that Just Works. Thanks as always for your suggestions. Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 13:45:11 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:45:11 -0400 Subject: NerdTV In-Reply-To: <61e9e2b10509122303143cacd8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10509122303143cacd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4326D7E7.7000008@rogers.com> Daniel Armstrong wrote: > Cool and worth downloading the entire video... Robert Cringely > launched his NerdTV - http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/ - last week: > > NerdTV is a new weekly online TV show from PBS.org technology > columnist Robert X. Cringely. NerdTV is essentially Charlie Rose for > geeks - a one-hour interview show with a single guest from the world > of technology... distributed under a Creative Commons license so > viewers can legally share the shows with their friends and even edit > their own versions. > > Andy Hertzfeld of Mac fame was the guest of the first episode, and > Linus Torvalds is scheduled for an episode in November. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be carried on WNED in Buffalo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:01:53 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:01:53 -0400 Subject: SATA OK? (and other questions for a new system In-Reply-To: <432618F5.3060803-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <432618F5.3060803@telly.org> Message-ID: <20050913140152.GJ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:10:29PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > I'm shopping for a replacement system soon, mainly server purposes for the > home network (Samba, Hylafax) but occasionally some KDE desktop stuff and > maybe even as a boot server for a thin client. > > So far it looks like it'll be an Athlon 64 mounted in an MSI or Asus mobo > mounted in an Antec Sonata2 case, 2GB RAM and a Geforce 6200 video card. > There are a few remaining questions: Well so far I have seen no problems with a VIA K8T800 chipset Asus A8V Deluxe. The A8V-E had PCI express network chip onboard which didn't work until 2.6.11 I believe. nvidia chipsets in general work rather well too, although a few features don't have support (NCQ for example), although for most desktop users the unsupported features don't matter, and most other chipsets don't have those features either. > 1) How important is it (given the above tasks) to spend $170 more to expand > the RAM to 2GB? I find 1GB plenty for anything I ever do. > 2) Is there real value to doing HTML/DNS caching (Squid) for my other home > systems? Depends on your connection speed. I find using privoxy rather handy, and squid for caching package downloads on a network with multiple machines running debian can be handy. > 3) What are the pros and cons of using Serial ATA drives as opposed to good > old ATA-133 drives? Better airflow with sata by getting rid of another ribbon cable. SATA ATAPI support isn't done yet in linux, but will be some day. Just don't expect a SATA dvd writer to work right now. SATA has no jumpers to set, is supposed to support hotplug although some chipsets apparently don't support it and not all drivers do either, and has a higher potential transfer rate (although the raw speed if the disk is not that high on any current drives). In the future they will switch to lower voltage than current drives reducing power use and heat generation. For harddisks, I wouldn't use anything other than SATA today. > 4) Would the use of PCI Express for the video instead of AGP cause me grief? It shouldn't. > 5) Is Nvidia still better supported by X than ATI at the low end ($75 cards) Very much at any end. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:05:55 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:05:55 -0400 Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? In-Reply-To: <4326D820.1090109-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4326D820.1090109@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050913140554.GK28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:46:08AM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > My partner needs to print out copies of all the content in her > mid-sized, statically-generated website (I know this is a stupid idea, > but it's for her tenure file and there are lots and lots of stupid > elements in this process). This seems like something one ought to be > able to do automatically, e.g. with: Well for a completely useless comment: Perhaps having written in in docbook or some other xml thing, or better yet LaTeX in the first place and had it be converted to nice html for a web page and to nice postscript or pdf for printing would have been a better start. HTML isn't easy to automate for printing or turning into other formats, since by design it isn't supposed to care about layout, only content. Lots of web designers seem to have forgotten this of course. On the other hand, I hope you find some method for getting everything printed, besides doing it manually. I can't currently think of one though unless mozilla or konqueror has some scripting automation system for doing: 'load page x.htm'; print pages; repeat for another page' Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:06:39 2005 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:06:39 -0400 Subject: dhcp assigning two ip to two different cards same host In-Reply-To: References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4326DCEF.20006@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi I have this laptop with a wireless and a rj45 network connections, user needs to sometimes get an ip for the wired connection and sometimes one for the wireless if he needs to walk around at the office with it, we assign ip by our dhcp server on a linux suse 9.0, we have the classic configuration file dhcpd.conf, I tried the following below, but it doesn't work, is there any way to configure it, I tried a double same host different ip and different MAC address, same problem dhcp would mark an error when rebooting the service., any adivice? # John wireless host myt1557 { hardware ethernet 00:08:02:ed:10:11; fixed-address 10.4.6.5; hardware ethernet 00:11:95:12:h7:mn; fixed-address 10.4.6.6; } Thanks for your help Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:10:39 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:10:39 -0400 Subject: dhcp assigning two ip to two different cards same host In-Reply-To: <4326DCEF.20006-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4326DCEF.20006@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <20050913141039.GL28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 10:06:39AM -0400, Jose wrote: > I have this laptop with a wireless and a rj45 network connections, user > needs to sometimes get an ip for the wired connection and sometimes one > for the wireless if he needs to walk around at the office with it, we > assign ip by our dhcp server on a linux suse 9.0, we have the classic > configuration file dhcpd.conf, I tried the following below, but it > doesn't work, is there any way to configure it, I tried a double same > host different ip and different MAC address, same problem dhcp would > mark an error when rebooting the service., any adivice? > > # John wireless > host myt1557 { > hardware ethernet 00:08:02:ed:10:11; fixed-address 10.4.6.5; > hardware ethernet 00:11:95:12:h7:mn; fixed-address 10.4.6.6; > } You appear to have a host section with two hardware and two address fields in it. I don't think that is allowed. Why not do something "clever" like clone your wireless mac to your ethernet card? Then no matter which connects dhcp will think it's the same device and it can receive the same ip in both cases. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:09:42 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:09:42 -0400 Subject: Star Office in schools? Message-ID: <4326DDA6.4090200@rogers.com> Last year, the Ministry of Edcation announced plans to use StarOffice in Ontario schools. Has anyone heard anything more about it? With all the talk about OASIS OpenDocuments etc., lately, I'm suprised I haven't heard more about this item. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zero-zgL5Owk5LsjZLAS6AT9qEw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:24:17 2005 From: zero-zgL5Owk5LsjZLAS6AT9qEw at public.gmane.org (dan sinclair) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? Message-ID: <820591805893296761MRYUTRBMDD.dsinclair@trekspace.com> > My partner needs to print out copies of all the content in her > mid-sized, statically-generated website (I know this is a stupid idea, > but it's for her tenure file and there are lots and lots of stupid > elements in this process). This seems like something one ought to be > able to do automatically, e.g. with: > You could give denature a try http://sf.net/projects/denature you'll need a few perl modules installd and the FOP processor from Apache to get it to run but it should turn your HTML into PDF files. (And hopefully retain all of the correct layout). It can do other things like title pages and tables of contents but that requires some changes (comments) in the HTML. dan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:39:53 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:39:53 -0400 Subject: Software Disaster In-Reply-To: <20050912234907.GA15950-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050912234907.GA15950@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On 9/12/05, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > For those who are interested in software failures, the latest (September) > issue of IEEE Spectrum has an interesting article on the FBI Virtual Case > File, a software system that was scrapped after spending 170M$. The same > issue has a 'software hall of shame' that lists similar failures, some with > costs into the billions. You can find the article (for free, no registration!) at: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep05/2189 -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:14:05 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:14:05 -0400 Subject: Linux Microsoft Drivers? In-Reply-To: <20050913121721.67346.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050913121721.67346.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200509131214.05839.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On September 13, 2005 08:17 am, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, so I have a Microsoft keyboard and mouse on my > (main) home Linux box. Both the keyboard and mouse > have special goodies that it would be nice to be able > to use under Linux, the question is how? > > For the keyboard (a Microsoft Natural Multimedia > Keyboard 1.0), there are several special function keys > above the regular keys (i.e. mute, play/pause, stop, > fast forward, rewind, etc.), and the question is how > to put those to effective use under Linux? All the information you will need is here for the keyboard. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaKeys -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 14:57:01 2005 From: tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Tim Goodaire) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:57:01 -0400 Subject: Linux Microsoft Drivers? In-Reply-To: <20050913121721.67346.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050913121721.67346.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050913145701.GA2194@dahmer> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:17:21AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, so I have a Microsoft keyboard and mouse on my > (main) home Linux box. Both the keyboard and mouse > have special goodies that it would be nice to be able > to use under Linux, the question is how? > > For the keyboard (a Microsoft Natural Multimedia > Keyboard 1.0), there are several special function keys > above the regular keys (i.e. mute, play/pause, stop, > fast forward, rewind, etc.), and the question is how > to put those to effective use under Linux? You should be able to get those keys working in X with the hotkeys package: Description: A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X This program sits at the back and listens for the "special" hotkeys that you won't normally use on your Internet/Multimedia keyboards. The buttons perform their intended behaviors, such as volume up and down, mute the speaker, launch applications, etc. It has On-screen display (OSD) to show the volume, program that's being started, etc. . It features an XML-based keycode configuration file format, which makes it possible to define the hotkeys to launch any programs you want. Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:07:01 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:07:01 -0400 Subject: Star Office in schools? In-Reply-To: <4326DDA6.4090200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4326DDA6.4090200@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/13/05, James Knott wrote: > Last year, the Ministry of Edcation announced plans to use StarOffice in > Ontario schools. Has anyone heard anything more about it? With all the > talk about OASIS OpenDocuments etc., lately, I'm suprised I haven't > heard more about this item. Well from the press release it seems that we've already handed Sun the oversized novelty cheque. Even though StarOffice is in part proprietary, I support the move just to inject some heterogeny into public school IT. Now if only there was a high school media specialist who was brave/foolish enough to fiddle with this Lie-Nucks business... -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:12:05 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:12:05 -0400 Subject: NerdTV In-Reply-To: <4326D7E7.7000008-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <61e9e2b10509122303143cacd8@mail.gmail.com> <4326D7E7.7000008@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/13/05, James Knott wrote: > Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be carried on WNED in Buffalo. According to Wikipedia, NerdTV is not aired at all. The CC license would allow you to score some time on public access TV and broadcast it at 3:00 AM. ;) Either that, or make a donation and take the opportunity to tell PBS that you'd like to see it on your TV. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:43:42 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:43:42 -0400 Subject: Star Office in schools? In-Reply-To: References: <4326DDA6.4090200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4326F3AE.5020305@rogers.com> Mike Newman wrote: > On 9/13/05, James Knott wrote: >>Last year, the Ministry of Edcation announced plans to use StarOffice in >>Ontario schools. Has anyone heard anything more about it? With all the >>talk about OASIS OpenDocuments etc., lately, I'm suprised I haven't >>heard more about this item. > Well from the press release it seems that we've already handed Sun the > oversized novelty cheque. Even though StarOffice is in part > proprietary, I support the move just to inject some heterogeny into > public school IT. > Now if only there was a high school media specialist who was > brave/foolish enough to fiddle with this Lie-Nucks business... > While there may be some propriety stuff in StarOffice, OpenOffice is open source and available at no cost. I was reading on Groklaw about the problems in the various assistance groups exchanging documents and people accessing FEMA web sites etc., which show the need for open standards. The nice thing about StarOffice and OpenOffice, is that they're available on a wide range of platforms. Also, I seem to recall reading that the students get to install the software on home computers, though that may be OpenOffice. I have installed OpenOffice for a few friends. They seem to be happy with it. In fact, I often make up a CD with OpenOffice, Sun's JRE (Java) and Mozilla, so that it's easy for others to install those packages and get away from MS software, even if they're still running Windows. One company I used to work for has also switched to OpenOffice, though it's probably because they were a damned cheap company. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux.gentoo.user-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:43:54 2005 From: linux.gentoo.user-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David Wells) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:43:54 -0400 Subject: Everybody Loves (Eric) Raymond In-Reply-To: <43264B35.7050301-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <43264B35.7050301@telly.org> Message-ID: <1f7ae1ac050913084355fc0c45@mail.gmail.com> hehe thanks for the post On 9/12/05, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > > http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:53:27 2005 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LPI Message-ID: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> I am going to write my LPI (Linux Professional Instutite) Certification but before I do I have to study. Does anyone know or can anyone recommend any good books to use as a study guide. -- Jason Carson http://cbits.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 15:52:44 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:52:44 -0400 Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? In-Reply-To: <820591805893296761MRYUTRBMDD.dsinclair-dZvLt6Hxk25l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> References: <820591805893296761MRYUTRBMDD.dsinclair@trekspace.com> Message-ID: <4326F5CC.4090509@sympatico.ca> I was about to recommend HTMLDOC , but I notice it's gone commercial. It used to be good, though. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:11:19 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:11:19 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/05, Jason Carson wrote: > I am going to write my LPI (Linux Professional Instutite) Certification > but before I do I have to study. Does anyone know or can anyone recommend > any good books to use as a study guide. I grabbed the 'Exam Cram 2' book for LPIC 1 by Ross Brunson to study with. Covers both LPIC101 and LPIC102 and seems fairly thorough, and comes with a test on CD. (It's supposed to work under linux though I haven't tried it yet.) One day I actually might even get around to writing the exams. :) (FWIW, the book's ISBN: 0-7897-3127-4) -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:22:49 2005 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel@cbits.ca> I found this deal, think I should get it. It's Exam Cram 2 and LPI Linux Certification in a Nutshell, both for $54.87 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0789731274/qid=1126628114/sr=8-25/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i10_xgl14/102-6097283-7080155?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 > On 9/13/05, Jason Carson wrote: >> I am going to write my LPI (Linux Professional Instutite) Certification >> but before I do I have to study. Does anyone know or can anyone >> recommend >> any good books to use as a study guide. > > I grabbed the 'Exam Cram 2' book for LPIC 1 by Ross Brunson to study > with. Covers both LPIC101 and LPIC102 and seems fairly thorough, and > comes with a test on CD. (It's supposed to work under linux though I > haven't tried it yet.) > > One day I actually might even get around to writing the exams. :) > > (FWIW, the book's ISBN: 0-7897-3127-4) > > -- > - SGE > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Jason Carson http://cbits.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:29:29 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:29:29 -0400 Subject: dhcp assigning two ip to two different cards same host In-Reply-To: <4326DCEF.20006-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4326DCEF.20006@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <4326FE69.3010500@rogers.com> Jose wrote: > Hi > > I have this laptop with a wireless and a rj45 network connections, user > needs to sometimes get an ip for the wired connection and sometimes one > for the wireless if he needs to walk around at the office with it, we > assign ip by our dhcp server on a linux suse 9.0, we have the classic > configuration file dhcpd.conf, I tried the following below, but it > doesn't work, is there any way to configure it, I tried a double same > host different ip and different MAC address, same problem dhcp would > mark an error when rebooting the service., any adivice? > > # John wireless > host myt1557 { > hardware ethernet 00:08:02:ed:10:11; fixed-address 10.4.6.5; > hardware ethernet 00:11:95:12:h7:mn; fixed-address 10.4.6.6; > } > > Thanks for your help Is there some reason why he has to use the same IP on both connections? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:29:07 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:29:07 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05091309294d5c5e4d@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/05, Jason Carson wrote: > I found this deal, think I should get it. It's Exam Cram 2 and LPI Linux > Certification in a Nutshell, both for $54.87 Ug. I paid $60 at Chapters just for the Exam Cram 2 book. Sounds like a good deal. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:30:36 2005 From: gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? In-Reply-To: <4326F5CC.4090509-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <820591805893296761MRYUTRBMDD.dsinclair@trekspace.com> <4326F5CC.4090509@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050913123036.4d76e99b.gstrom@eol.ca> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:52:44 -0400 "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > I was about to recommend HTMLDOC , > but I notice it's gone commercial. It used to be good, though. > The open source version is at http://www.htmldoc.org/ -- Glen Strom gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:35:36 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:35:36 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <4326FFD8.70305@telly.org> Jason Carson wrote: >I am going to write my LPI (Linux Professional Instutite) Certification >but before I do I have to study. Does anyone know or can anyone recommend >any good books to use as a study guide. > > Before spending any money, try one of the freely available sources of study materials: There are the IBM online tutorials: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/ The British GPL'd LPI study guides: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lpi-manuals/ The South African "Learn Linux" project: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/ If you speak Spanish, there are some other resources: http://www.lpi.cl/manual-lpi/ And also in (Brazilian) Portuguese, there's the Foca Linux project: http://focalinux.cipsga.org.br/ Hope this helps! - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:47:46 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:47:46 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05091309294d5c5e4d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f05091309294d5c5e4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <432702B2.3070005@rogers.com> psema4 wrote: > On 9/13/05, Jason Carson wrote: >>I found this deal, think I should get it. It's Exam Cram 2 and LPI Linux >>Certification in a Nutshell, both for $54.87 > > Ug. I paid $60 at Chapters just for the Exam Cram 2 book. Sounds > like a good deal. > When I find a book I want at Chapters, I'll generally order it from their web site. You can save a bit that way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 16:53:03 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:53:03 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <431E014E.8070501-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <432703EF.4090601@rogers.com> Rob Sutherland wrote: > I've got a client that I'm helping to escape the claws of the Great > Beast - he's > swinging towards Linux for his next desktop. Th only sticking point is that > he wants to scan newspaper articles and OCR them. I don't do much > scanning so > I'm not sure about the state of the art in linux OCR. Anyone have any > recommendations, > tips etc? Kooka supports OCR. It's included with KDE. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 17:13:53 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:13:53 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <432708D1.1080205@rogers.com> Jason Carson wrote: > I found this deal, think I should get it. It's Exam Cram 2 and LPI Linux > Certification in a Nutshell, both for $54.87 > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0789731274/qid=1126628114/sr=8-25/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i10_xgl14/102-6097283-7080155?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 I believe that's in the U.S. What does it cost here? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 17:46:16 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:46:16 -0400 Subject: automate printing of html-formatted pages? In-Reply-To: <20050913140554.GK28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4326D820.1090109@utoronto.ca> <20050913140554.GK28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200509131346.17416.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 13, 2005 10:05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:46:08AM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > > My partner needs to print out copies of all the content in her > > mid-sized, statically-generated website (I know this is a stupid > > idea, but it's for her tenure file and there are lots and lots of > > stupid elements in this process). This seems like something one > > ought to be able to do automatically, e.g. with: > > On the other hand, I hope you find some method for getting > everything printed, besides doing it manually. I can't currently > think of one though unless mozilla or konqueror has some scripting > automation system for doing: 'load page x.htm'; print pages; repeat > for another page' You can automate Konqueror via DCOP using shell or python. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 19:46:09 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:46:09 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <432703EF.4090601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> <432703EF.4090601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050913194609.GM28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:53:03PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Kooka supports OCR. It's included with KDE. kooka uses gocr. It's just a front end. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 19:55:18 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:55:18 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <20050913194609.GM28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> <432703EF.4090601@rogers.com> <20050913194609.GM28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <43272EA6.3090002@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:53:03PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>Kooka supports OCR. It's included with KDE. > > kooka uses gocr. > > It's just a front end. So, install gocr. It's on the DVD. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 13 19:56:10 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:56:10 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <43272EA6.3090002-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> <432703EF.4090601@rogers.com> <20050913194609.GM28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <43272EA6.3090002@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43272EDA.6060004@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:53:03PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >>>Kooka supports OCR. It's included with KDE. >>kooka uses gocr. >> >>It's just a front end. > > So, install gocr. It's on the DVD. > That should read "It's on the SuSE DVD". I can't say for other distros. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 01:10:02 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:10:02 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <200509132110.03000.marc@lijour.net> On September 13, 2005 11:53, Jason Carson wrote: > I am going to write my LPI (Linux Professional Instutite) Certification > but before I do I have to study. Does anyone know or can anyone recommend > any good books to use as a study guide. Mandriva just came out with an online training offer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 04:53:30 2005 From: ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Nicholas Davey) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:53:30 -0400 Subject: dhcp assigning two ip to two different cards same host In-Reply-To: <4326FE69.3010500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4326DCEF.20006@totaltravelmarketing.com> <4326FE69.3010500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4327ACCA.3020901@cogeco.ca> He doesn't, he has 10.4.6.5 and 10.4.6.6. I would say separate the entries if you can, make one for wireless one for wired. Secondly, I don't think that second MAC address is valid. I see an H and an M and an N in there, which are not valid hex chars. Regards, Nick Davey James Knott wrote: >Jose wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>I have this laptop with a wireless and a rj45 network connections, user >>needs to sometimes get an ip for the wired connection and sometimes one >>for the wireless if he needs to walk around at the office with it, we >>assign ip by our dhcp server on a linux suse 9.0, we have the classic >>configuration file dhcpd.conf, I tried the following below, but it >>doesn't work, is there any way to configure it, I tried a double same >>host different ip and different MAC address, same problem dhcp would >>mark an error when rebooting the service., any adivice? >> >># John wireless >> host myt1557 { >> hardware ethernet 00:08:02:ed:10:11; fixed-address 10.4.6.5; >> hardware ethernet 00:11:95:12:h7:mn; fixed-address 10.4.6.6; >> } >> >>Thanks for your help >> >> > >Is there some reason why he has to use the same IP on both connections? >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 05:25:48 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:25:48 -0400 Subject: SATA OK? (and other questions for a new system In-Reply-To: <432618F5.3060803-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <432618F5.3060803@telly.org> Message-ID: <20050914052548.GD29166@waltdnes.org> I mentioned, before the list died, that my main computer had died. I got a new system. AMDK8 3000+ on a Triton, 2 gigs of RAM, with ATI Radeon X300 card. This message is coming from it. I chickened out and installed only 32-bit Gentoo. Apparently, the AMD64 Gentoo install manual is out-of-date, and most of the compatability problems they mention have been solved. But since I've got a work system, I'm not going to start all over again. On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 08:10:29PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote > 3) What are the pros and cons of using Serial ATA drives as opposed > to good old ATA-133 drives? "New and improved"; bigger and faster. Couple of things that scared me cause I wasn't looking... a) I couldn't find /dev/hda ... because it was /dev/sda (dohhhh). Make sure you enable SCSI. b) my initial kernel build wouldn't boot properly and had a mysterious error message. I booted from the Gentoo install CD, and noted that it was running the "nv" low-level SCSI driver. Put that into the kernel and it booted up fine. > 4) Would the use of PCI Express for the video instead of AGP cause me grief? No 3-D acceleration support yet in Xorg. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 12:31:52 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:31:52 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I've had a great linux system for the last few years (aside from my desktop) that acts as a router and firewall for my home network. Recently I've been tempted to install a wireless card in so that any of my friends with laptops could just come in, and i wouldn't have to fish around for extra cables if they needed to get connected. I'm guessing that my current dhcp service only needs to be reconfigured to listen on the new interface. I'm most likely only going to have 1 or 2 ip addresses available that don't authenticate based on MAC address as well, and if necessary have 1 or 2 for myself when i eventually get a laptop or mobile of some kind. What I'm concerned with are the security aspects of the protocol - are there kernel features already built-in for WPA-PSK, AES, and other standards? I know that WEP has been long-cracked, so I am most likely not going to use that for encryption / authentication. Also, can anyone recommend a good PCI 802.11 card that can withstand being on 24 / 7 for an extended period of time? Does anyone else have a similar set-up in their homes / offices? Thanks! ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 12:26:16 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:26:16 -0400 Subject: OCR under Linux In-Reply-To: <432703EF.4090601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <431E014E.8070501@cheapersafer.com> <432703EF.4090601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432816E8.7020200@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > > Kooka supports OCR. It's included with KDE. It looks like Kooka uses gocr (bleah!) on some distros, GNU ocrad on others (untried by me; I suspect it could only better than gocr). There's some suggestion that the professional version of SuSE (whatever it's called) uses a commercial OCR application built on a respectable recognition engine. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 16:19:27 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:19:27 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43284D8F.3040709@rogers.com> Chris Friedt wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I've had a great linux system for the last few years (aside from my > desktop) that acts as a router and firewall for my home network. > Recently I've been tempted to install a wireless card in so that any of > my friends with laptops could just come in, and i wouldn't have to fish > around for extra cables if they needed to get connected. > > I'm guessing that my current dhcp service only needs to be reconfigured > to listen on the new interface. I'm most likely only going to have 1 or > 2 ip addresses available that don't authenticate based on MAC address as > well, and if necessary have 1 or 2 for myself when i eventually get a > laptop or mobile of some kind. > > What I'm concerned with are the security aspects of the protocol - are > there kernel features already built-in for WPA-PSK, AES, and other > standards? I know that WEP has been long-cracked, so I am most likely > not going to use that for encryption / authentication. > > Also, can anyone recommend a good PCI 802.11 card that can withstand > being on 24 / 7 for an extended period of time? Does anyone else have a > similar set-up in their homes / offices? You might want to try what I have here. I've connected one of those cheap WiFi routers, to a 3rd NIC in my firewall. IPtables can be configured to allow full access to the internet, while blocking all but VPN or SSH access to your local systems. The router also provides it's own DHCP server. I also have WEP enabled, though WPA is available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 16:22:47 2005 From: stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org (Stephen Clarke) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:22:47 -0400 Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker Message-ID: <20050914162232.PEJM26967.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to compile log files of all the Web sites visited from a group of workstations running Ubuntu 5.04. I've investigated several possibilities but was wondering if anyone knew of a good resource for me to consult with. I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but they don't appear to do exactly what I need. I've also considered installing squid as a proxy on the network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution for what I need. All suggestions welcome. Thanks, Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 17:07:00 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:07:00 -0400 Subject: writting a script for Fedora Core/Redhat's '/etc/init.d' Message-ID: <432858B4.40801@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've been over on Debian for a while so I guess I've slipped on my Redhat-isms. :p I've integrated a modified version of the Boa web server into my program (which is installed with the main installer automatically). On Debian systems it works perfectly. It also works great on Redhat-like systems (I'm testing on FC3) except for the init script. I've figured out that Redhat calls '. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions' and then the program's script is suppost to call 'daemon ' to start it when 'services start' is called. My problem though is that I am getting the error: Starting tb_httpd: execvp: No such file or directory When I try to start the server. I am guessing that something is looking somewhere for 'Boa' though I don't understand how this works well enough to dig through it yet. Boa came with a sample redhat init script in the source 'contrib' directory which I modified only by changing the instances of 'boa' to 'tb_httpd' (which is the name of the binary and is done to avoid stepping on an existing boa install). The script is: #!/bin/sh # The following two lines enable chkconfig(1) to manipulate this script # chkconfig: 345 87 13 # description: Boa is a World Wide Web server. It is used to serve # HTML files and CGI. # processname: tb_httpd # config: /etc/tb_httpd.conf # There is no pid file # # Modified by Madison Kelly (digimer-agcygxvf9jodnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org) for use in TLE-BU # # Source function library. . /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions # See how we were called. case "$1" in start) echo -n "Starting tb_httpd: " daemon tb_httpd touch /var/lock/subsys/boa echo ;; stop) echo -n "Shutting down tb_httpd: " killproc tb_httpd echo rm -f /var/lock/subsys/boa rm -f /var/run/boa.pid ;; status) status tb_httpd ;; restart) $0 stop $0 start ;; reload) echo -n "Reloading tb_httpd: " killproc tb_httpd -HUP echo ;; *) echo "Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|reload|status}" exit 1 esac Could anyone shed some light on this? Even just a pointer to a readme would be great... my Google searches aren't being to helpful. Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From saliola-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 17:20:07 2005 From: saliola-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Franco Saliola) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:20:07 -0400 Subject: writting a script for Fedora Core/Redhat's '/etc/init.d' In-Reply-To: <432858B4.40801-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432858B4.40801@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 9/14/05, Madison Kelly wrote: > start) > echo -n "Starting tb_httpd: " > daemon tb_httpd > touch /var/lock/subsys/boa > echo My httpd init script includes the full path to httpd (RHEL4). Perhaps you need the full path to tb_httpd? Franco -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 18:51:38 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:51:38 -0400 Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker In-Reply-To: <20050914162232.PEJM26967.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> References: <20050914162232.PEJM26967.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Message-ID: On 9/14/05, Stephen Clarke wrote: > > I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to compile log files of > all the Web sites visited from a group of workstations running Ubuntu 5.04. > I've investigated several possibilities but was wondering if anyone knew of > a good resource for me to consult with. > I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but they don't appear to do > exactly what I need. I've also considered installing squid as a proxy on the > network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution for what I need. > All suggestions welcome. > How about setting up a web proxy to handle all of the traffic from the Ubuntu workstations. Then you can run Analog, Apache::ParseLog, or just roll your own scripts on the resulting log files. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 19:26:47 2005 From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dhcp assigning two ip to two different cards same host In-Reply-To: <4327ACCA.3020901-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4327ACCA.3020901@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20050914192647.674.qmail@web61324.mail.yahoo.com> The easiest solution is to assign the ip addresses manually on the laptop and then reserve these address on the dhcp server so that they will not be leased. EK --- Nicholas Davey wrote: > He doesn't, he has 10.4.6.5 and 10.4.6.6. I would > say separate the > entries if you can, make one for wireless one for > wired. Secondly, I > don't think that second MAC address is valid. I see > an H and an M and an > N in there, which are not valid hex chars. > > Regards, > > Nick Davey > > > > James Knott wrote: > > >Jose wrote: > > > > > >>Hi > >> > >>I have this laptop with a wireless and a rj45 > network connections, user > >>needs to sometimes get an ip for the wired > connection and sometimes one > >>for the wireless if he needs to walk around at the > office with it, we > >>assign ip by our dhcp server on a linux suse 9.0, > we have the classic > >>configuration file dhcpd.conf, I tried the > following below, but it > >>doesn't work, is there any way to configure it, I > tried a double same > >>host different ip and different MAC address, same > problem dhcp would > >>mark an error when rebooting the service., any > adivice? > >> > >># John wireless > >> host myt1557 { > >> hardware ethernet 00:08:02:ed:10:11; > fixed-address 10.4.6.5; > >> hardware ethernet 00:11:95:12:h7:mn; > fixed-address 10.4.6.6; > >> } > >> > >>Thanks for your help > >> > >> > > > >Is there some reason why he has to use the same IP > on both connections? > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 14 20:21:52 2005 From: edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (ed) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:21:52 -0400 Subject: Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: <43263054.3020608-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050828144103.2485.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <43263054.3020608@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:50:12 -0400, Marcus Brubaker wrote: >> > > It really seems that GTALUG has a very serious communication problem and > this event just goes to illustrate it. According to one post on this > thread, this other form was posted on August 10th and run through some > set of clearings. Yes, communication seems to be a problem. If Colin McGregor would have read the list he posted to, he would have known about the release/waiver. Instead of checking to see if we already had a release/waiver form,(which we did)Colin McGregor proceeded to prepare one of his own. Since his issue was of liability, it may have been more efficient to submit that form to his lawyer, but as noted in his last post: "I don't trust ANY form that has NOT been checked by a local lawyer. As the form Eddie came up with was not checked by a local lawyer, I don't trust it, period." "I didn't even totally trust the lawyer I contacted, with reason. When I got the first draft back from the lawyer, I checked it as closely as a non-lawyer can check things, and saw one trivial word that seemed out of place, so I asked about it. Yes, even lawyers on occasion can/do make typos. So again, it is a case of check, double and triple check things. When it may be your tail on the legal line, trust no one." Colin has some serious issues beginning with trust and ending in communication. Colin never brought any of his concerns to the GTAlug executive before posting his complaints. As a member of the executive he could have mentioned something to the rest of us. Colin has been invited many times to run and become a member of the Board of Directors. He has the opportunity to effect change, I encourage him to do it. And lest we forget it. We are ALL volunteers at GTAlug and we value the contribution of everone who participates - even if it is by merely listening. Lastly, congrats to the new members of the Board of Directors of GTAlug: Seneca Cunningham, Christopher Browne, and William Park. They join Drew Sullivan and Gordon Chillcott who have been hard at work giving direction to the LUG. Now, we know who to complain to! :) -- The GTA Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://gtalug.ss.org GTALUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://gtalug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.21 - Release Date: 10-Sep-05 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 00:02:23 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:02:23 -0400 Subject: SATA OK? (and other questions for a new system In-Reply-To: <20050914052548.GD29166-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <432618F5.3060803@telly.org> <20050914052548.GD29166@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20050915000223.GA4321@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:25:48AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > But since I've got a work system, Fumble-fingers strikes again... I wish I could be given a new system from work. What I meant to say was "since I've got a *WORKING* system" I don't want to screw around with it. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 01:37:35 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:37:35 -0400 Subject: how to add file type handler to firefox ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050915013735.GB4321@waltdnes.org> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 02:07:30PM +0300, Peter wrote > > Hi all, > > firefox is 'the most configurable browser' etc but I have a great time > trying to add a new file type handler to it, or finding information about > how to do it. The next step will be to get the source and disassemble it > and find out. > > Before I do that, has anyone got a solution for this. The solution should > be cross platform. Please do not point me to tutorials on the web, or to > hearsay, as I can use (and have used) a search engine myself. Please only > answer if you have actually done this (added a NEW protocol handler for a > protocol that is not supported by default, BY HAND or BY SCRIPT, i.e. not > using a third party application). There are 2 ways of doing it, which are basically identical. Here's a real-life example where I wanted mplayer to handle mms and pnm and rtsp (I've built mplayer to pass the URLs on to RealPlayer if they turn out to be RealPlayer codecs). Method 1) Create a file user.js (if it doesn't already exist) in the same user directory where prefs.js sits. Add these lines... user_pref("network.protocol-handler.expose.mms", true); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.expose.pnm", true); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.expose.rtsp", true); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mms","/usr/bin/mplayer"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.pnm","/usr/bin/mplayer"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.rtsp","/usr/bin/mplayer"); Make sure that you close your browser first, and restart it after editing user.js. Optional stuff... You can get rid of the individual "expose" lines if you use... user_pref("network.protocol-handler.expose-all", true); If you want, you can add a warning for external handlers, if you don't trust websites. If set to true, this'll bring up a warning dialog each time you launch the corresponding protocol... user_pref("network.protocol-handler.warn-external.mms", false); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.warn-external.pnm", false); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.warn-external.rtsp", false); Method 2) From the web interface; clunkier if you want to do several machines. Open your browser to "about:config". Look for the lines beginning with "network.protocol-handler". You can change values, and you can create new lines using similar syntax. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 02:19:12 2005 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:19:12 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world Message-ID: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> hi folks, I have 2 computers on a home network, connected to Sympatico DSL through a modem and a cheap SMC router (Barricade g = SMC2804WBRP-g). I would like to be able to ssh into both of them form the outside world. I have successfully set up "inadyn" to associate a stable URL (x.dyndns.org) with my dynamic IP, which is great. Now the problem is to tunnel remote ssh requests to the two local machines. I don't really understand this very well (though I tried something similar about 2 years ago -- got stumped then). As I understand it, what I need to do is set up some kind of a table where external requests on particular ports are forwarded by the router on to corresponding (perhaps not identical) ports on one or the other local machine. SO I imagine something like this: from work, I type: ssh -p 2000 -l me mydomain.dyndns.org which gets to the router; the router sees that it's supposed to forward requests on port 2000 to 192.168.2.199; 192.168.2.199 picks up the request and an ssh tunnel is formed on the other hand, if I type ssh -p 3000 -l metoo mydomain.dyndns.org the router sends the request to 192.168.2.254 instead. (even better would be to control destination by hostname, eg. 1.mydomain.dyndns.org, 2.mydoain.dyndns.org, etc -- but I think this is unlikely to work). On my router confiugration screen, there seem to be 3 places where this sort of thing can be done: 1. "DDNS" -- here I'm allowed to have 1 static local IP address designated as a "server" ; requests on ports 80,21,and 25 (http, ftp, smtp) are forwarded on to the "server". I've tried this and it works fine for http at least (I get the standard debian default index page from my local machine). But there seems to be no further flexibility. 2. "NAT". This section comes with the following instructions: *Special Applications* Some applications require multiple connections, such as Internet gaming, video conferencing, Internet telephony and others. These applications cannot work when Network Address Translation (NAT) is enabled. If you need to run applications that require multiple connections, specify the port normally associated with an application in the "Trigger Port" field, select the protocol type as TCP or UDP, then enter the public ports associated with the trigger port to open them for inbound traffic. Note: The range of the Trigger Ports is from 1 to 65535. THen there's a table in which I can associate "trigger ports" with "public ports". But I don't think I really understand what this is about, as thre seems to be no way to associate a particular local machine with a forwarded port. 3. DMZ. THis screen lets me associate a local IP address (192.168.2.x) with a public IP address. But this isn't what I want, is it? Because after all I only have one constantly-changing IP address available to me... Anyway -- I feel a little bit stumped. I wondered whether anyone else had ideas about what I should do, whether I'm out of luck, etc. THanks much, matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 02:40:29 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:40:29 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: <4328DA20.8060303-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Hi Matt, I believe what you want is port forwarding, or what you referred to as 'trigger ports'. As you described, a call on port 1000 will go to one machine, and a call to port 2000 will go to another machine. I believe if you had a real firewall instead of a little router (I have a Netgear, same kind of box as yours), you could have subdomains, because dyndns.org would pass 1.mydomain.dyndns.orgto your machine, identified as mydomain.dyndns.org for further subdomain resolution. But I'll be happy to hear an explanation from someone who knows what they're talking about. I use dyndns.org and port forwarding myself -- works beautifully. Alex On 9/14/05, Matt Price wrote: > > hi folks, > > I have 2 computers on a home network, connected to Sympatico DSL through > a modem > and a cheap SMC router (Barricade g = SMC2804WBRP-g). I would like to > be able to ssh into both of them form the outside world. I have > successfully set up "inadyn" to associate a stable URL (x.dyndns.org > ) > with my dynamic IP, which is great. Now the problem is to tunnel remote > ssh requests to the two local machines. I don't really understand this > very well (though I tried something similar about 2 years ago -- got > stumped then). > > As I understand it, what I need to do is set up some kind of a table > where external requests on particular ports are forwarded by the router > on to corresponding (perhaps not identical) ports on one or the other > local machine. SO I imagine something like this: > > from work, I type: > > ssh -p 2000 -l me mydomain.dyndns.org > which gets to the router; the router sees that it's supposed to forward > requests on port 2000 to 192.168.2.199 ; > 192.168.2.199 picks up the > request and an ssh tunnel is formed > > on the other hand, if I type > ssh -p 3000 -l metoo mydomain.dyndns.org > the router sends the request to 192.168.2.254 instead. > (even better would be to control destination by hostname, eg. > 1.mydomain.dyndns.org , 2.mydoain.dyndns.org, > etc -- but I think this is > unlikely to work). > > > On my router confiugration screen, there seem to be 3 places where this > sort of thing can be done: > 1. "DDNS" -- here I'm allowed to have 1 static local IP address > designated as > a "server" ; requests on ports 80,21,and 25 (http, ftp, smtp) are > forwarded on to the "server". I've tried this and it works fine for > http at least (I get the standard debian default index page from my > local machine). But there seems to be no further flexibility. > 2. "NAT". This section comes with the following instructions: > > *Special Applications* > > Some applications require multiple connections, such as Internet gaming, > video conferencing, Internet telephony and others. These applications > cannot work when Network Address Translation (NAT) is enabled. If you > need to run applications that require multiple connections, specify the > port normally associated with an application in the "Trigger Port" > field, select the protocol type as TCP or UDP, then enter the public > ports associated with the trigger port to open them for inbound traffic. > > Note: The range of the Trigger Ports is from 1 to 65535. > > THen there's a table in which I can associate "trigger ports" with > "public ports". But I don't think I really understand what this is > about, as thre seems to be no way to associate a particular local > machine with a forwarded port. > > 3. DMZ. THis screen lets me associate a local IP address (192.168.2.x) > with a public IP address. But this isn't what I want, is it? Because > after all I only have one constantly-changing IP address available to > me... > > Anyway -- I feel a little bit stumped. I wondered whether anyone else > had ideas about what I should do, whether I'm out of luck, etc. > > THanks much, > > matt > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 03:54:37 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:54:37 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: <4328DA20.8060303-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050915035437.GA4684@waltdnes.org> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:19:12PM -0400, Matt Price wrote > 1. "DDNS" -- here I'm allowed to have 1 static local IP address > designated as > a "server" ; requests on ports 80,21,and 25 (http, ftp, smtp) are > forwarded on to the "server". I've tried this and it works fine for > http at least (I get the standard debian default index page from my > local machine). But there seems to be no further flexibility. On my GVC BB076 I have the following page on the web interface. Shock! It actually works in text mode with links2. It allows a separate address for each forwarded port. I could presumably run 12 machines with a different port/service being forwarded to each one. Are you saying that only one address is allowed? Do you have a menu similar to the following... Multi-Functional ADSL Router (R1.01c1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Administrator's | Virtual Server Main Menu | | ID Service Ports Server IP Enable Use Rule# * Status | 1 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ * Wizard | 2 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ + Basic | 3 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Setting | 4 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ - Forwarding | 5 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Rules | 6 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Virtual Server| 7 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Special AP | 8 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Miscellaneous | 9 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ + Security | 10 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Setting | 11 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ + Advanced | 12 ____________ 192.168.123. ____ [ ] 0_ Setting | + Toolbox | Well known services [-- select one --] [ Copy to ] ID [--] [ Log out ] | Schedule rule [(00)Always] | | [ Save ] [ Undo ] [ Help ] > 2. "NAT". This section comes with the following instructions: > > *Special Applications* > > Some applications require multiple connections, such as Internet gaming, > video conferencing, Internet telephony and others. These applications > cannot work when Network Address Translation (NAT) is enabled. If you > need to run applications that require multiple connections, specify the > port normally associated with an application in the "Trigger Port" > field, select the protocol type as TCP or UDP, then enter the public > ports associated with the trigger port to open them for inbound traffic. > > Note: The range of the Trigger Ports is from 1 to 65535. > > THen there's a table in which I can associate "trigger ports" with > "public ports". But I don't think I really understand what this is > about, as thre seems to be no way to associate a particular local > machine with a forwarded port. > > 3. DMZ. THis screen lets me associate a local IP address (192.168.2.x) > with a public IP address. But this isn't what I want, is it? Because > after all I only have one constantly-changing IP address available to > me... > > Anyway -- I feel a little bit stumped. I wondered whether anyone else > had ideas about what I should do, whether I'm out of luck, etc. > > THanks much, > > matt > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 03:59:11 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:59:11 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? Message-ID: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> I have a digital camera that uses an SD card. I'd prefer to pull photos off the card with a USB card-reader rather than use the camera's battery to do so. For now it's just SD cards. I can't rule out getting other digital toys in future that use different cards. What are people's experiences with all-in-one readers? -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 04:30:57 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 15 Sep 2005 00:30:57 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall In-Reply-To: <43284D8F.3040709-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <43284D8F.3040709@rogers.com> Message-ID: James Knott writes: > Chris Friedt wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I've had a great linux system for the last few years (aside from my > > desktop) that acts as a router and firewall for my home network. > > Recently I've been tempted to install a wireless card in so that any of > > my friends with laptops could just come in, and i wouldn't have to fish > > around for extra cables if they needed to get connected. > > > > I'm guessing that my current dhcp service only needs to be reconfigured > > to listen on the new interface. I'm most likely only going to have 1 or > > 2 ip addresses available that don't authenticate based on MAC address as > > well, and if necessary have 1 or 2 for myself when i eventually get a > > laptop or mobile of some kind. > > > > What I'm concerned with are the security aspects of the protocol - are > > there kernel features already built-in for WPA-PSK, AES, and other > > standards? I know that WEP has been long-cracked, so I am most likely > > not going to use that for encryption / authentication. > > > > Also, can anyone recommend a good PCI 802.11 card that can withstand > > being on 24 / 7 for an extended period of time? Does anyone else have a > > similar set-up in their homes / offices? > > You might want to try what I have here. I've connected one of those > cheap WiFi routers, to a 3rd NIC in my firewall. IPtables can be > configured to allow full access to the internet, while blocking all but > VPN or SSH access to your local systems. The router also provides it's > own DHCP server. I also have WEP enabled, though WPA is available. That's fine but does open you up to the potential for abuse of your Internet connection. If you're concerned, you might consider running nocat (http://www.nocat.net) on your firewall to restrict Internet access to authenticated users. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 04:43:04 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 15 Sep 2005 00:43:04 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: <4328DA20.8060303-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Matt Price writes: > hi folks, > > I have 2 computers on a home network, connected to Sympatico DSL through > a modem > and a cheap SMC router (Barricade g = SMC2804WBRP-g). [lots of stuff about DNAT snipped] I can't say for sure if your SMC can do the trick but I've had several unpleasant experiences with wireless SMC routers which would lead me to believe it can't. I think there's a reason you can pick them up for dirt cheap -- their firewalling capabilities are so limited they don't really deserve the name! I would recommend you replace your SMC with Linksys WRT54GS. These can be had for about $80 to $90 and run an embedded Linux platform. It's easy to replace the (somewhat limited but not as limited as SMC) stock firmware with the very flexible and free OpenWRT (http://www.openwrt.org) or, if you want something more friendly, try Sveasoft (http://www.sveasoft.com/) which isn't free but is inexpensive. Good luck. P.S. I'm not affiliated with Linksys, OpenWRT, or Sveasoft. I'm just a happy OpenWRT user. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 04:52:36 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Installfest thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050915045236.21054.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- ed wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:50:12 -0400, Marcus Brubaker > wrote: > > > > > > It really seems that GTALUG has a very serious > communication problem and > > this event just goes to illustrate it. According > to one post on this > > thread, this other form was posted on August 10th > and run through some > > set of clearings. > > Yes, communication seems to be a problem. If Colin > McGregor would have > read the list he posted to, he would have known > about the release/waiver. > Instead of checking to see if we already had a > release/waiver form,(which > we did)Colin McGregor proceeded to prepare one of > his own. Since his issue > was of liability, it may have been more efficient > to submit that form to > his lawyer, but as noted in his last post: I have paid fairly close attention to the mail list. If there was a release/waiver form checked by a local lawyer posted to the list then I missed it and I apologize for that. > "I don't trust ANY form that has NOT been checked by > a > local lawyer. As the form Eddie came up with was not > checked by a local lawyer, I don't trust it, > period." > > "I didn't even totally trust the lawyer I contacted, > with reason. When I got the first draft back from > the > lawyer, I checked it as closely as a non-lawyer can > check things, and saw one trivial word that seemed > out > of place, so I asked about it. Yes, even lawyers on > occasion can/do make typos. So again, it is a case > of > check, double and triple check things. When it may > be > your tail on the legal line, trust no one." > > > Colin has some serious issues beginning with trust > and ending in > communication. Colin never brought any of his > concerns to the GTAlug > executive before posting his complaints. As a member > of the executive he > could have mentioned something to the rest of us. > Colin has been invited > many times to run and become a member of the Board > of Directors. He has > the opportunity to effect change, I encourage him to > do it. I am NOT a member of the executive. I have attended a few executive meetings but I would not / do not claim to be a member of said group. Further to the best of my recollection I have not been seriously invited to become a member of the board. When I spoke to Gordon Chillcott by phone Tuesday afternoon he suggested (seriously I think) that I might get drafted into the GTALUG board. The problem being that as a non-member of GTALUG, I don't know if it would be appropriate for me to be on the board. Now, why have I not plunked down $20 and become a member of GTALUG? Well, there are multiple answers, running from I am cheap, I have doubts about where the money is going, but the key reason comes down it wouldn't be appropriate. Why not appropriate? Well, I have been involved with the Toronto Free-Net since May 1993, during which time I have held quite a few posts, Co-chair of the Hardware/Software committee, Board member, and yes, President of the TFN. Yes, I am still involved in the TFN. During that time I have ... "forgotten" ... to turn in some receipts for out of pocket expenses, but the total amount of money I have spent on a TFN membership stands at ... $0.00. A question I do not intend to hear seriously asked, never mind a question I plan to answer is "Why have you spent $$ for a GTALUG membership, while you have spent $0.00 on the TFN?". Now, I have no qualms about treating the GTALUG the way I treat TFN, as long as the stuff is more-or-less interesting/enjoyable I will be happy to put in a lot of volunteer time/effort. I will even "forget" some out of pocket expenses, but I am not going to give more money to one over the other (and I don't plan to give any money to the TFN any time soon). If this isn't good enough for GTALUG then I will, with a certain amount of regret, go elsewhere. There are other interesting technically oriented volunteer projects out there... As for legal stuff, you will see for example in my writing: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7127 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 that while the focus of the articles is customizing Knoppix, I do pay attention to legal issues. Why do I not kid around with this stuff? Well again we come back to the Toronto Free-Net. When the Toronto Free-Net opened to the public in November 1994 we knew we were taking some legal risks. Technically the TFN was at that point not LEGALLY considered a "common carrier" the way the phone companies are, so things like liable by any TFN member could have been dropped in our lap. We limited our risk with a release form that was checked with a fine tooth comb by local lawyers, but yes, there still were risks, and we knew that going in. Not that long after the Toronto Free-Net opened we had a character who I will call Brainless Ass (or B.A. for short). B.A. at that point was already ... known ... to the board for some of the stuff he had done at past board meetings (demands that the Free-Net be run on Macintosh computers with a proprietary closed source software package). Any event this one morning I checked my e-mail and there was an e-mail from B.A., sent to all board members with what under Canadian law was clearly child pornography (a fictional description of sexual relations between an adult and a young child). Under the law it is an offence to have child pornography, for any reason, it doesn't matter how you got the stuff or why. I was talking to the TFN's lawyer on the phone less than five minutes after seeing that e-mail, and yes you had better believe the lawyers instructions were followed to the letter and QUICKLY. At a board meeting that came not that long after B.A. showed up angry that his TFN account had been suspended, and he was angry that by searching the Internet via the TFN he had been able find child pornography. In both respects we on the board were evil, we were not to be thanked for a LOT of volunteer hours offering a free basic Internet service. In my case for a time there I was scared as to the sort of @#$% that might come down on my head personally, a fear I don't plan to experience again and why I don't play games when it comes to legal issues. So, am I a bit tough regarding the release form? Yes, on the other hand I am NOT going to be in court because someone used a release form that leaves a loophole under Ontario law. > And lest we forget it. We are ALL volunteers at > GTAlug and we value the > contribution of everone who participates - even if > it is by merely > listening. Not true. I have seen volunteers in the TFN who were consistently abusive, illogical, and obnoxious towards other volunteers. There are a small number of volunteers who's net contribution is negative. Such volunteers, while very few in number need to be steered out of the group ASAP. For example, we had one such volunteer in the Hardware/Software Committee who would very loudly demand that technical issues that were decided within a matter of five minutes by ten or so people in the room be re-re-re-explained to him. So we would spend five minutes deciding one thing then the next 30 minutes dealing with this one person and him ending up angry because the other 10 people in the room had not explained things clearly enough to him. When I told him the Hardware/Software Committee no longer wanted his volunteer services he appealed that to the board, another fight ensued, with the board for a time ordering that he be taken back by the Hardware/Software Committee... In the end he was turfed, but it was a pain all the way. Sorry to say, but there are a very small percentage of people who are not worth the trouble... > Lastly, congrats to the new members of the Board of > Directors of GTAlug: > Seneca Cunningham, Christopher Browne, and William > Park. > They join Drew Sullivan and Gordon Chillcott who > have been hard at work > giving direction to the LUG. Yes, all good people, and from my past experiences, I offer them my sympathy :-) . > Now, we know who to complain to! :) No, now we know who to help. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 05:12:51 2005 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:12:51 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <20050915035911.GB4684-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <432902D3.8060401@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > I have a digital camera that uses an SD card. I'd prefer to pull >photos off the card with a USB card-reader rather than use the camera's >battery to do so. For now it's just SD cards. I can't rule out getting >other digital toys in future that use different cards. What are people's >experiences with all-in-one readers? > > > I have a Sandisk Imagemate 8-in-1 reader/writer. I only use SD cards, but pretty much every distro I have used/installed /ran (Mandriva, Kubuntu, Knoppix, etc) has identified that I had a SD card in the reader's slot and listed it as a drive. I can recommend it without hesitations. Jay -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 09:30:16 2005 From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:30:16 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <432902D3.8060401-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> <432902D3.8060401@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <61e9e2b1050915023033ad17bf@mail.gmail.com> On 9/15/05, Nezumikozo wrote: > I have a Sandisk Imagemate 8-in-1 reader/writer. I only use SD cards, > but pretty much every distro I have used/installed /ran (Mandriva, > Kubuntu, Knoppix, etc) has identified that I had a SD card in the > reader's slot and listed it as a drive. I can recommend it without > hesitations. I can second that recommendation on the Sandisk reader/writer - I plug in MemorySticks from my Sony CyberShot, and Linux recognizes them as drives. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 11:00:53 2005 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:00:53 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <20050915035911.GB4684-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>; from waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org on Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 23:59:11 -0400 References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20050915110053.GA1961@localhost> On Wed Sep 14,2005 11:59:11 PM Walter Dnes wrote: > What are people's experiences with all-in-one readers? I've tried quite a few USB readers; some with single and some with multiple card type support. I can't recall any of them not working. They all just appear as a hard drive. I've also got an HP145 photo printer with built in card slots. Even the slots in this printer appear as hard drives when plugged into a Linux system. None of these devices required any special drivers. They all appear as USB mass storage devices. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 12:32:56 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:32:56 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <20050915035911.GB4684-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <432969F8.4020909@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > What are people's > experiences with all-in-one readers? If you want something that's cheap, and works, CWO has a Lexar CF/SD/SM/MS reader for $8. It has a little fold-out USB cable, which is handy for travel. It also comes with a USB extender cable, something for which you can easily pay >$10 alone. It might be USB1.1 only, as it seems a little slower than my 'home' reader, a SanDisk ImageMate 12-in-1 (... like I really need xD and mSD capabilities, yeah, right). CWO has stores across the city. They're opening one on the south side of College, just east of Spadina. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 12:55:53 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:55:53 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: <4328DA20.8060303-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050915125553.GN28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:19:12PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > I have 2 computers on a home network, connected to Sympatico DSL through > a modem > and a cheap SMC router (Barricade g = SMC2804WBRP-g). I would like to > be able to ssh into both of them form the outside world. I have > successfully set up "inadyn" to associate a stable URL (x.dyndns.org) > with my dynamic IP, which is great. Now the problem is to tunnel remote > ssh requests to the two local machines. I don't really understand this > very well (though I tried something similar about 2 years ago -- got > stumped then). > > As I understand it, what I need to do is set up some kind of a table > where external requests on particular ports are forwarded by the router > on to corresponding (perhaps not identical) ports on one or the other > local machine. SO I imagine something like this: > > from work, I type: > > ssh -p 2000 -l me mydomain.dyndns.org > which gets to the router; the router sees that it's supposed to forward > requests on port 2000 to 192.168.2.199; 192.168.2.199 picks up the > request and an ssh tunnel is formed So your router should have rules that says: external port 2000 forward to internal ip 192.168.2.199 port 22 external port 3000 forward to internal ip 192.168.2.254 port 22 > on the other hand, if I type > ssh -p 3000 -l metoo mydomain.dyndns.org > the router sends the request to 192.168.2.254 instead. > (even better would be to control destination by hostname, eg. > 1.mydomain.dyndns.org, 2.mydoain.dyndns.org, etc -- but I think this is > unlikely to work). Since name to ip is resolved and the ip given to the client and then a connection attempt is made, it certainly won't work. only protocols that pass names explicitly (like http 1.1) can do multiple "servers" on one ip, and even then they have to be handled by a single web server (which can of course redirecto to another port if you want it to send you to another machine.) > On my router confiugration screen, there seem to be 3 places where this > sort of thing can be done: > 1. "DDNS" -- here I'm allowed to have 1 static local IP address > designated as > a "server" ; requests on ports 80,21,and 25 (http, ftp, smtp) are > forwarded on to the "server". I've tried this and it works fine for > http at least (I get the standard debian default index page from my > local machine). But there seems to be no further flexibility. > 2. "NAT". This section comes with the following instructions: > > *Special Applications* > > Some applications require multiple connections, such as Internet gaming, > video conferencing, Internet telephony and others. These applications > cannot work when Network Address Translation (NAT) is enabled. If you > need to run applications that require multiple connections, specify the > port normally associated with an application in the "Trigger Port" > field, select the protocol type as TCP or UDP, then enter the public > ports associated with the trigger port to open them for inbound traffic. > > Note: The range of the Trigger Ports is from 1 to 65535. > > THen there's a table in which I can associate "trigger ports" with > "public ports". But I don't think I really understand what this is > about, as thre seems to be no way to associate a particular local > machine with a forwarded port. No need for any of that for a simple one port protocol like ssh. It is used for when an internal machine connects out on a given port and expects other connections to come back on a different port that it wants returned to it. In other words, for badly designed protocols (ftp being one such protocol that requires special handling). > 3. DMZ. THis screen lets me associate a local IP address (192.168.2.x) > with a public IP address. But this isn't what I want, is it? Because > after all I only have one constantly-changing IP address available to > me... That would setup all ports (usually) to be forwarded to that IP. Not what you want. > Anyway -- I feel a little bit stumped. I wondered whether anyone else > had ideas about what I should do, whether I'm out of luck, etc. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 12:57:21 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:57:21 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050915125721.GO28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:40:29PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I believe what you want is port forwarding, or what you referred to as > 'trigger ports'. > > As you described, a call on port 1000 will go to one machine, and a call to > port 2000 will go to another machine. > > I believe if you had a real firewall instead of a little router (I have a > Netgear, same kind of box as yours), you could have subdomains, because > dyndns.org would pass > 1.mydomain.dyndns.orgto your machine, > identified as > mydomain.dyndns.org for further subdomain > resolution. But I'll be happy to hear an explanation from someone who knows > what they're talking about. One IP = One service/port. DNS is only used to lookup what the IP is. It doesn't get passed to the server at all (except in http 1.1 and the like). All it sees is connection from x.x.x.x port xxx to y.y.y.y port yyy. > I use dyndns.org and port forwarding myself -- works > beautifully. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 12:59:34 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:59:34 -0400 Subject: writting a script for Fedora Core/Redhat's '/etc/init.d' In-Reply-To: References: <432858B4.40801@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <43297036.40500@alteeve.com> Franco Saliola wrote: > On 9/14/05, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> start) >> echo -n "Starting tb_httpd: " >> daemon tb_httpd >> touch /var/lock/subsys/boa >> echo > > > My httpd init script includes the full path to httpd (RHEL4). Perhaps > you need the full path to tb_httpd? > > Franco D'oh! That was exactly the trick and it works perfectly now. Thank you!! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 13:01:49 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:01:49 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <20050915035911.GB4684-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20050915130148.GP28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 11:59:11PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > I have a digital camera that uses an SD card. I'd prefer to pull > photos off the card with a USB card-reader rather than use the camera's > battery to do so. For now it's just SD cards. I can't rule out getting > other digital toys in future that use different cards. What are people's > experiences with all-in-one readers? Well I have managed to get one that doesn't work very well. It basically fails to notify linux of card changes so I have to unplug usb, remove card, insert other card, plug in usb, to have it work reliably. Rather annoying (it was a cheap 15-in-1 reader). On the other ahnd I have also worked with an all in one 3-1/2" drive bay one that connected to an internal usb connector on the motherboard, which just works perfectly (which is good since disconnecting it's cable would be a pain :) It even has a floppy drive built in too (no idea how to managed to fit it all in) and is also not too expensive (under $40 I believe). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 13:22:28 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <20050915035911.GB4684-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <43297594.30908@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I have a digital camera that uses an SD card. I'd prefer to pull > photos off the card with a USB card-reader rather than use the camera's > battery to do so. For now it's just SD cards. I can't rule out getting > other digital toys in future that use different cards. What are people's > experiences with all-in-one readers? > I have one here, that supports several formats, though I've only used it for SD cards. Works OK. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 13:25:40 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:25:40 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall In-Reply-To: References: <43284D8F.3040709@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43297654.2010803@rogers.com> Tim Writer wrote: >>You might want to try what I have here. I've connected one of those >>cheap WiFi routers, to a 3rd NIC in my firewall. IPtables can be >>configured to allow full access to the internet, while blocking all but >>VPN or SSH access to your local systems. The router also provides it's >>own DHCP server. I also have WEP enabled, though WPA is available. > > That's fine but does open you up to the potential for abuse of your Internet > connection. If you're concerned, you might consider running nocat > (http://www.nocat.net) on your firewall to restrict Internet access to > authenticated users. > I said it can be, not has to be, configured to allow access to the internet without VPN. Regardless, you should still use at least WEP or preferably WPA. Decide what you want to allow and then configure your systesm accordingly. My system is *NOT* wide open to others. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 13:31:55 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:31:55 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for USB card reader? In-Reply-To: <43297594.30908-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915035911.GB4684@waltdnes.org> <43297594.30908@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432977CB.2050705@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Walter Dnes wrote: >> I have a digital camera that uses an SD card. I'd prefer to pull >>photos off the card with a USB card-reader rather than use the camera's >>battery to do so. For now it's just SD cards. I can't rule out getting >>other digital toys in future that use different cards. What are people's >>experiences with all-in-one readers? >> > > I have one here, that supports several formats, though I've only used it > for SD cards. Works OK. Forgot to mention. My card reader is an "i-rocks" from TigerDirect. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 13:40:24 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:40:24 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world In-Reply-To: <20050915125721.GO28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4328DA20.8060303@utoronto.ca> <20050915125721.GO28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9/15/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:40:29PM -0400, Alex Beamish wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > > > I believe what you want is port forwarding, or what you referred to as > > 'trigger ports'. > > > > As you described, a call on port 1000 will go to one machine, and a call > to > > port 2000 will go to another machine. > > > > I believe if you had a real firewall instead of a little router (I have > a > > Netgear, same kind of box as yours), you could have subdomains, because > > dyndns.org would pass > > 1.mydomain.dyndns.org < > http://1.mydomain.dyndns.org>to your machine, > > identified as > > mydomain.dyndns.org < > http://mydomain.dyndns.org> for further subdomain > > resolution. But I'll be happy to hear an explanation from someone who > knows > > what they're talking about. > > One IP = One service/port. > > DNS is only used to lookup what the IP is. It doesn't get passed to the > server at all (except in http 1.1 and the like). All it sees is > connection from x.x.x.x port xxx to y.y.y.y port yyy. OK -- from a name-resolving point of view, the protocol I'm most familiar with is HTTP -- hence my mistaken assumption. I'm glad to be corrected. Alex > I use dyndns.org and port > forwarding myself -- works > > beautifully. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 14:37:30 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:37:30 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall Message-ID: Hmm... good suggestion with the cheap WiFi router, but i think a network card would be cheaper, no? Plus I get the added advantage to learn how to configure the open source wi-fi software on an embedded linux device ;-) Thanks for all of the suggestions. Looking at cards, has anyone had problems w/ the SMC 2802W ? The SMC 2802W card seems to have all of the features I would want (minus the metallic casing around the chip for EM shielding purposes). It's the right price too :D Aside from the SMC, has anyone on the list ever used a device by 'TrendNet' ? They're a small company operating out of Etobicoke. As much as I'm a 'home team' / underdawg kind of guy, I'm hesitant. Any suggestions are much appreciated. Also, I'm looking to move to the Montreal area since my girlfriend had to move there (she's doing her PhD at McGill). I'd very much love to hear if anyone has any connections in the industry there. My education is in E.Eng. & I'm pretty good w/ linux ;-) (shameless plug). ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 15:06:29 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:06:29 -0400 Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker Message-ID: iptables. log all tcp syn packets sent on port 80 ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org >>> stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org 9/14/05 12:22:47 pm >>> I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to compile log files of all the Web sites visited from a group of workstations running Ubuntu 5.04. I've investigated several possibilities but was wondering if anyone knew of a good resource for me to consult with. I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but they don't appear to do exactly what I need. I've also considered installing squid as a proxy on the network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution for what I need. All suggestions welcome. Thanks, Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 15:08:28 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:08:28 -0400 Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker Message-ID: Actually, you could send it to the ULOG target, and I'm sure that there are a handful of really well developed applications to give you nice reports. Can't think of one of the top of my head tho. ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org >>> talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org 9/14/05 2:51:38 pm >>> On 9/14/05, Stephen Clarke wrote: > > I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to compile log files of > all the Web sites visited from a group of workstations running Ubuntu 5.04. > I've investigated several possibilities but was wondering if anyone knew of > a good resource for me to consult with. > I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but they don't appear to do > exactly what I need. I've also considered installing squid as a proxy on the > network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution for what I need. > All suggestions welcome. > How about setting up a web proxy to handle all of the traffic from the Ubuntu workstations. Then you can run Analog, Apache::ParseLog, or just roll your own scripts on the resulting log files. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 15:08:51 2005 From: pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Philip Kay) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:08:51 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126796931.752.3.camel@X-Server.tyndale.ca> Chris, On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 10:37 -0400, Chris Friedt wrote: > > Aside from the SMC, has anyone on the list ever used a device by > 'TrendNet' ? They're a small company operating out of Etobicoke. As much > as I'm a 'home team' / underdawg kind of guy, I'm hesitant. I've been using a trendnet card for quite a while and am quite impressed with it. http://www.trendnet.com/asp/download_manager/list_subcategory.asp?SUBTYPE_ID=245&SUBMIT=Go They even supply linux drivers for it. The driver needed to be compiled but it only took about 2 minutes on my PII laptop. The card has been rock solid and one surprise: I have a Dlink b+ access point that is supposed to do 22 mbps and though the card doesn't say it is compatible, I have been finding that I have been getting those speeds. > > Any suggestions are much appreciated. > > Also, I'm looking to move to the Montreal area since my girlfriend had > to move there (she's doing her PhD at McGill). I'd very much love to > hear if anyone has any connections in the industry there. My education > is in E.Eng. & I'm pretty good w/ linux ;-) (shameless plug). > > > ~/Chris > > > > ______________________________ > Christopher Friedt > Ryerson University > Computing & Communication Services > (416) 979-5000 x6831 > chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Philip Kay -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jweissig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 16:58:28 2005 From: jweissig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Justin Weissig) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:58:28 -0700 Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <217ddce005091509583a9d451c@mail.gmail.com> checkout ntop. http://www.ntop.org/ It'll give you nice reports.. On 9/15/05, Chris Friedt wrote: > Actually, you could send it to the ULOG target, and I'm sure that there > are a handful of really well developed applications to give you nice > reports. Can't think of one of the top of my head tho. > > ~/Chris > > > ______________________________ > Christopher Friedt > Ryerson University > Computing & Communication Services > (416) 979-5000 x6831 > chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org > > >>> talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org 9/14/05 2:51:38 pm >>> > On 9/14/05, Stephen Clarke wrote: > > > > I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to compile log files > of > > all the Web sites visited from a group of workstations running Ubuntu > 5.04. > > I've investigated several possibilities but was wondering if anyone > knew of > > a good resource for me to consult with. > > I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but they don't appear > to do > > exactly what I need. I've also considered installing squid as a proxy > on the > > network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution for what I need. > > All suggestions welcome. > > > > How about setting up a web proxy to handle all of the traffic from the > > Ubuntu workstations. Then you can run Analog, Apache::ParseLog, or just > roll > your own scripts on the resulting log files. > > Alex > > -- > ---------- > Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 18:22:37 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:22:37 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google Message-ID: <1126808557.4929.23.camel@spot1.localhost.com> I sent this when the list server was down. Resending...old news now but...According to Toronto Star Saturday Sept. 3/05 in the business section on page D2 Steve Ballmer vows to "kill Google" and "bury Eric Schmidt". http://news.com.com/Court+docs+Ballmer+vowed+to+kill +Google/2100-1014_3-5846243.html?tag=nl ...shows just how sick these guys really are...claim to be the best even when you're not. Now Gates is touting the superiority of MS search API's. http://news.com.com/Gates +on+Google+What%2C+me +worry/2008-1082_3-5863514.html?tag=st.pop What is really perplexing is why business, banks and government (all) would want to entrust their infrastructure software needs to these guys. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 18:26:20 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:26:20 -0400 Subject: Microsoft plans to outsource more Message-ID: <1126808780.4929.27.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Forwarded RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca > MICROSOFT PLANS TO STOP SUPPORTING THE AMERICAN ECONOMY > BY OUTSOURCING MORE THAN 10,000 JOBS OVER 10 YEARS TO CHINA > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002468560_msftgoogle03.html > > ----- ---- --- -- - - > Microsoft is on track to outsource more than 1,000 jobs a year > to China, according to blistering evidence released yesterday > in Microsoft's increasingly nasty spat with Google over an > employee who jumped ship in July. > > In a revelation that highlights the complexity of China > President Hu Jintao's visit to Seattle and Microsoft on Monday, > legal filings detailed claims of how Microsoft had offended the > Chinese government by not outsourcing as many jobs as promised > to Chinese technology vendors. > > COMMENTS AT: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl? > sid=05/09/04/2256208&tid=109&tid=218 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 18:51:47 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:51:47 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <1126808557.4929.23.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <1126808557.4929.23.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: On 9/15/05, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > [..] What is really perplexing is > why business, banks and government (all) would want to entrust their > infrastructure software needs to these guys. In the 60s, 70s and 80s, the common cry was "No one ever got fired for buying IBM". Then the tide turned, and over the last 20 years it's changed to "No one ever got fired for buying Microsoft". Microsoft is safe, it's what everyone uses, they've got the best people, etc. etc. Except there are a lot of people now who revel in shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes. Microsoft has security problems with its OS and browser; it's no longer what everyone uses; and these days, Google seems to be vacuuming up a lot of awfully good people. Perhaps the tide is turning again. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 19:20:10 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Volunteer work Message-ID: Hi all. We're involved in a volunteer project to provide Linux based thin clients to the underprivileged around Toronto. Currently the pilot project is underway. We're very busy so I'm having trouble finding the time to give that this project deserves. What we need done right now is the development of a Linux cdrom which has WiFi (probably ndis) drivers for use on thin clients over wireless. My plan had been to use Morphix as the ability to overlay on the live FS is cool. We can't offer pay for this (we're not getting paid) but we can offer references both written and verbal. We can also provide computing resources to assist in completing the task. This may be good for someone who wants an interesting project which will help the community and wants to get a reference out of it too. Anyone interested should email me off list. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073 Senior Technical Consultant Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x7x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 19:26:21 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:26:21 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: <1126808557.4929.23.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <4329CADD.6070506@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > On 9/15/05, *Rick Tomaschuk* > wrote: > > [..] What is really perplexing is > why business, banks and government (all) would want to entrust their > infrastructure software needs to these guys. > > > In the 60s, 70s and 80s, the common cry was "No one ever got fired for > buying IBM". Then the tide turned, and over the last 20 years it's > changed to "No one ever got fired for buying Microsoft". > > Microsoft is safe, it's what everyone uses, they've got the best people, > etc. etc. > > Except there are a lot of people now who revel in shouting out that the > Emperor has no clothes. > > Microsoft has security problems with its OS and browser; it's no longer > what everyone uses; and these days, Google seems to be vacuuming up a > lot of awfully good people. > > Perhaps the tide is turning again. Well, as I mentioned the other day, Ontario schools are supposed to be moving to StarOffice, as is the University of Western Ontario. Also, the State of Massachusetts is moving to OpenDocuments, so it is happening. Incidentally, there's an interesting aricle about UoWO at: -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 20:00:49 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:00:49 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google Message-ID: M$ is hilarious!! One of my good friends was actually just hired and moved out to Redmond to work with M$ on their new search engine. As much as I believe that my friend is REALLY good at what he does - relational DB's, and other software eng. things - I highly doubt that M$ will ever be able to overtake Google as the world's most powerful search engine provider. Good luck Steve! ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 20:06:00 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:06:00 -0400 Subject: using a wireless card w/ linux router / firewall Message-ID: Thanks!! I really enjoy being able to support local vendors. Usually I do all my purchasing @ Canada Computer & Electronics, because I've found that they are ridiculously dirt cheap. Then I took a look at TrendNet's site and saw that the price they offered an improved model at 70% less than what CCE was charging! Thank you for the suggestion, I'm going to buy from the manufacturer's web site. ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org >>> pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org 9/15/05 11:08:51 am >>> Chris, On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 10:37 -0400, Chris Friedt wrote: > > Aside from the SMC, has anyone on the list ever used a device by > 'TrendNet' ? They're a small company operating out of Etobicoke. As much > as I'm a 'home team' / underdawg kind of guy, I'm hesitant. I've been using a trendnet card for quite a while and am quite impressed with it. http://www.trendnet.com/asp/download_manager/list_subcategory.asp?SUBTYPE_ID=245&SUBMIT=Go They even supply linux drivers for it. The driver needed to be compiled but it only took about 2 minutes on my PII laptop. The card has been rock solid and one surprise: I have a Dlink b+ access point that is supposed to do 22 mbps and though the card doesn't say it is compatible, I have been finding that I have been getting those speeds. > > Any suggestions are much appreciated. > > Also, I'm looking to move to the Montreal area since my girlfriend had > to move there (she's doing her PhD at McGill). I'd very much love to > hear if anyone has any connections in the industry there. My education > is in E.Eng. & I'm pretty good w/ linux ;-) (shameless plug). > > > ~/Chris > > > > ______________________________ > Christopher Friedt > Ryerson University > Computing & Communication Services > (416) 979-5000 x6831 > chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 20:41:21 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:41:21 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050915204121.GA2297@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 04:00:49PM -0400, Chris Friedt wrote: > M$ is hilarious!! > > One of my good friends was actually just hired and moved out to Redmond > to work with M$ on their new search engine. > > As much as I believe that my friend is REALLY good at what he does - > relational DB's, and other software eng. things - I highly doubt that M$ > will ever be able to overtake Google as the world's most powerful search > engine provider. > > Good luck Steve! Microsoft can give $500Million to GTALUG, and we'll do it. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 20:41:12 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:41:12 -0400 Subject: Volunteer work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509151641.12645.marc@lijour.net> On September 15, 2005 15:20, Robert Brockway wrote: > Hi all. We're involved in a volunteer project to provide Linux based > thin clients to the underprivileged around Toronto. Currently the > pilot project is underway. We're very busy so I'm having trouble finding > the time to give that this project deserves. > > What we need done right now is the development of a Linux cdrom which has > WiFi (probably ndis) drivers for use on thin clients over wireless. My > plan had been to use Morphix as the ability to overlay on the live FS is > cool. > > We can't offer pay for this (we're not getting paid) but we can offer > references both written and verbal. We can also provide computing > resources to assist in completing the task. > > This may be good for someone who wants an interesting project which will > help the community and wants to get a reference out of it too. > > Anyone interested should email me off list. > > Rob If anyone else has volunteer work to offer, let me know. I have here some high school kids who would be thrilled to do some volunteer work around computers... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 15 23:20:00 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Looking for an HTTP traffic tracker In-Reply-To: <20050914162232.PEJM26967.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> References: <20050914162232.PEJM26967.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> Message-ID: <20050915232000.48189.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can I assume you are attempting to make sense of Apache log files, see which pages you are hosting get looked at most often, which IP numbers are visiting most often etc.? If this is you goal have a look at Webalizer: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ At work on our webserver I have it running off a crontab entry 4 minutes after midnight every day. Webalizer spits out a bunch of html files with pie chart images in .png format, so I have set things so that I have the statistics website that updates daily for each domain. Colin McGregor --- Stephen Clarke wrote: > I need some ideas. I've been asked to find a way to > compile log files of all > the Web sites visited from a group of workstations > running Ubuntu 5.04. I've > investigated several possibilities but was wondering > if anyone knew of a > good resource for me to consult with. > > I've looked at IPTraf, Ethereal and Tethereal but > they don't appear to do > exactly what I need. I've also considered installing > squid as a proxy on the > network but that seems a bit too extreme a solution > for what I need. > > All suggestions welcome. > > Thanks, > Stephen > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 03:51:46 2005 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LPI again Message-ID: <33350.66.11.182.5.1126842706.squirrel@cbits.ca> Where can I take the LPI test. Where are the classrooms where I write the test? -- Jason Carson http://cbits.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 04:02:05 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:05 -0400 Subject: LPI again In-Reply-To: <33350.66.11.182.5.1126842706.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <33350.66.11.182.5.1126842706.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <432A43BD.2020706@almatau.com> Jason Carson wrote: >Where can I take the LPI test. Where are the classrooms where I write the >test? > > > http://lpi.org/en/getting_tested.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 04:20:50 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:20:50 -0400 Subject: LPI again In-Reply-To: <432A43BD.2020706-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <33350.66.11.182.5.1126842706.squirrel@cbits.ca> <432A43BD.2020706@almatau.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05091521207cd62efd@mail.gmail.com> On 9/16/05, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Jason Carson wrote: > > >Where can I take the LPI test. Where are the classrooms where I write the > >test? > > > > > > > http://lpi.org/en/getting_tested.html And if your not in a hurry, exams are increasingly available at trade shows like LinuxWorld, frequently in the $50 range. Good luck! -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 13:47:46 2005 From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (gilles fourchet) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:47:46 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world Message-ID: <432acd02.27a.5ec9.22391@canada.com> > from work, I type: > > ssh -p 2000 -l me mydomain.dyndns.org > which gets to the router; the router sees that it's > supposed to forward requests on port 2000 to 192.168.2.199 > ; 192.168.2.199 picks up the request and an ssh tunnel is > formed > > on the other hand, if I type > ssh -p 3000 -l metoo mydomain.dyndns.org > the router sends the request to 192.168.2.254 instead. > (even better would be to control destination by hostname, > eg. 1.mydomain.dyndns.org, 2.mydoain.dyndns.org, etc -- > but I think this is unlikely to work). Hi Matt, A better way (I thhink :-)), would be to authorize only the connections to one machine (say 192.162.1.199) and, from there, access the rest of your network. There are two main advantages: - It is dependent on the number of workstations you want to access to. If you add 1, 2 ,3 ,4, ... workstations and/or servers, you do not have to change your configuration. - I think it is more secure since you can focus on securing one connection instead of several. Hope that helps. Gilles -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 13:49:02 2005 From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (gilles fourchet) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:49:02 -0400 Subject: expose internal network to the outside world Message-ID: <432acd4e.317.3c64.18495@canada.com> > from work, I type: > > ssh -p 2000 -l me mydomain.dyndns.org > which gets to the router; the router sees that it's > supposed to forward requests on port 2000 to 192.168.2.199 > ; 192.168.2.199 picks up the request and an ssh tunnel is > formed > > on the other hand, if I type > ssh -p 3000 -l metoo mydomain.dyndns.org > the router sends the request to 192.168.2.254 instead. > (even better would be to control destination by hostname, > eg. 1.mydomain.dyndns.org, 2.mydoain.dyndns.org, etc -- > but I think this is unlikely to work). Hi Matt, A better way (I thhink :-)), would be to authorize only the connections to one machine (say 192.162.1.199) and, from there, access the rest of your network. There are two main advantages: - It is dependent on the number of workstations you want to access to. If you add 1, 2 ,3 ,4, ... workstations and/or servers, you do not have to change your configuration. - I think it is more secure since you can focus on securing one connection instead of several. Hope that helps. Gilles -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 15:00:13 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:00:13 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes Message-ID: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> Hey All, Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep is present and grep is not. If anyone has any info, I'd love to hear it. Regards, Byron -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 15:03:07 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:03:07 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes In-Reply-To: <432ADDFD.9010405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050916150307.GQ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking > to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of > strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, > such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep > is present and grep is not. I know I encountered an old slackware install a few years ago where grep didn't support -r which I found rather frustrating. Other systems would most likely not be using gnu grep, although sometimes you get lucky (at least on solaris since many solaris admins hate the sun tools and prefer the gnu tools, and they want a compiler). I would think all unixes have grep although probably nowhere near as featureful as gnu grep. strings I have no idea about. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 15:22:36 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:22:36 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> <20050916150307.GQ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <002301c5bad2$89e76930$6501a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > > Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking > > to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of > > strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, > > such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep > > is present and grep is not. > > I know I encountered an old slackware install a few years ago where grep > didn't support -r which I found rather frustrating. Other systems would > most likely not be using gnu grep, although sometimes you get lucky (at > least on solaris since many solaris admins hate the sun tools and prefer > the gnu tools, and they want a compiler). > > I would think all unixes have grep although probably nowhere near as > featureful as gnu grep. strings I have no idea about. > > Lennart Sorensen I have found 'grep' and 'strings' on all UNIX platforms I used, including HP-UX, Tru64, AIX, Solaris... except the flags vary so if you write shell scripts that need to be portable you need to be careful! Most software products use 'make' or 'awk' scripts to conditionnally generate shell scripts during installation in order to comply to each platform's environment. Best thing would be to visit the support pages from the vendors (many have online 'manual' pages or doc about their products) and check what's available. Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 16:13:09 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:13:09 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes In-Reply-To: <432ADDFD.9010405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050916161309.GC2417@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > Hey All, > > Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking > to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of > strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, > such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep > is present and grep is not. > > If anyone has any info, I'd love to hear it. In the early '90s I was involved with a company that had a large software suite that ran on a large number of varieties of Unix systems. Many of the Unix variants that we worked with then are not around any longer, but AIX and HPUX still are (we didn't work with DGUX). We tended to use a minimal subset of the programs available from the shell, and limited the choice of flags used. grep was always around - but there could be some varietion for the extra flag options egrep was usually around - sometimes it was called grep -e strings was only there sometimes, and varied significantly in what it found, what it ignored, and what format it used to display its output - we wrote our own We kept with traditional sh syntax, not using the "new" extensions of the Bourne shell, since those were inconsistantly available. (Nowadays, they'll be generally available, but you'd have to worry that when you run "sh" you might get ksh or bash instead of Bourne shell - they each have differences in their more advanced extensions.) There were many commands that we had to worry about because of regional variations. Sys V vs. BSD heritage was a large part but each company was intent in adding its own unique value. We wrote our own program to get "ls" info, because each company played around with the output format, and there were many that were broken when they got large values (they would overflow the "column" extending with width and not leaving a blank before the next column, for example). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 16:24:10 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:24:10 +0300 (IDT) Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes In-Reply-To: <20050916150307.GQ28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> <20050916150307.GQ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:00:13AM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote: >> Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking >> to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of >> strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, >> such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep >> is present and grep is not. > > I know I encountered an old slackware install a few years ago where grep > didn't support -r which I found rather frustrating. Other systems would > most likely not be using gnu grep, although sometimes you get lucky (at > least on solaris since many solaris admins hate the sun tools and prefer > the gnu tools, and they want a compiler). > > I would think all unixes have grep although probably nowhere near as > featureful as gnu grep. strings I have no idea about. grep -r and other features are gnu extensions. It says so in the manpage. Also all gnu tools have a 'compatibility' switch that makes them run in the way their 'ancestor' did. See grep -s, -w, -u, -b, POSIXLY_CORRECT, awk has --compat, --posix etc etc. There exist migration guides for this. I have a gem of a book called 'POSIX Programmer's Guide' by Donald Lewine (O'Reilly) which explains all the details wrt writing portable *nix programs. There must be a similar book for shelland compatibility. I find that by using only basic features (e.g. grep -v/-l/-e, simple awk programs etc) and assuming the shell /bin/sh (and not bash) is available I can write scripts than work on most machines (even on Solaris and *BSD). So far every time I used more advanced gnu extensions I eventually had to rewrite the script. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 17:39:32 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:39:32 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes In-Reply-To: <432ADDFD.9010405-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/16/05, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > > Hey All, > > Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking > to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of > strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, > such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep > is present and grep is not. > > If anyone has any info, I'd love to hear it. You may be able to access busybox, the "Swiss Army Knife of Embedded Linux". Just called busybox with grep as the first argument and go from there. I'm looking at the man page for version 1.00-rc1, and the grep that it does is documented as follows: grep grep [-ihHnqvs] PATTERN [FILEs...] Search for PATTERN in each FILE or standard input. Options: -H prefix output lines with filename where match was found -h suppress the prefixing filename on output -i ignore case distinctions -l list names of files that match -n print line number with output lines -q be quiet. Returns 0 if result was found, 1 otherwise -v select non-matching lines -s suppress file open/read error messages Example: $ grep root /etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash $ grep ^[rR]oo. /etc/passwd root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash That's not all the functionality of the original, but it might be enough for you. The strings document is: strings strings [-afo] [-n length] [file ... ] Display printable strings in a binary file. Options: -f Precede each string with the name of the file where it was found. -n N Specifies that at least N characters forms a sequence (default 4) -o Each string is preceded by its decimal offset in the file. The bad news is that busybox is new, so may not be on old systems. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 18:26:07 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:26:07 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 04:00:49PM -0400, Chris Friedt wrote > M$ is hilarious!! > > One of my good friends was actually just hired and moved out to > Redmond to work with M$ on their new search engine. > > As much as I believe that my friend is REALLY good at what he does - > relational DB's, and other software eng. things - I highly doubt > that M$ will ever be able to overtake Google as the world's most > powerful search engine provider. DOS 1.0 was a joke compared to CPM-86. Windows 1.0 was a joke compared to Apple. Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. Internet Explorer 1.0 was a joke compared to Netscape. MS-Search 1.0 will be a joke compared to Google. Do you detect a common theme here? MS has enough money coming in from their twin-towers of Windows and Office, that they can afford to charge ridiculously low ad rates on their search pages, and drive Google out of business, while at the same time putting out fix after fix to their search engine, until it's "good enough". -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 18:32:14 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:32:14 -0400 Subject: "MS security"... sorta like "Military Intelligence" Message-ID: <20050916183214.GC7589@waltdnes.org> This happened while the list was down, so pardon the delay. A story at http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050906/152/frd8y.html and also at http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=4375&inkc=0 about how Microsoft's UK security guy got his PC infected by a rogue dialer. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 18:49:48 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:49:48 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916182607.GB7589-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:26:07PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > DOS 1.0 was a joke compared to CPM-86. Dos 6.22 isn't a joke? > Windows 1.0 was a joke compared to Apple. Windows isn't a joke compared to Apple? > Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. Access isn't a joke? > Internet Explorer 1.0 was a joke compared to Netscape. And internet explorer isn't still a joke (maybe not compared to netscape, but still). > MS-Search 1.0 will be a joke compared to Google. And continue to be so most likely. Just look at MS's encyclopedia and such. > Do you detect a common theme here? MS has enough money coming in from > their twin-towers of Windows and Office, that they can afford to charge > ridiculously low ad rates on their search pages, and drive Google out of > business, while at the same time putting out fix after fix to their > search engine, until it's "good enough". Unfortunately many things Microsoft does are still bad even when they are good enough to get most people to use them (by bundling them together or making them incompatible and hence interdependant on other MS products). Remember Bob? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 21:48:48 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916184948.GR28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1126907328.4400.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> The foot up MS has enjoyed has been as a result of working with Intel combined with IGNORING laws which their country put in place to prevent "Kings and Rulers". Ignoring antitrust laws has propelled Windows and Office into the position they now hold. The DOJ refuses to enforce the law with any teeth so we end up with these spoiled children controlling the economic structure to their own benefit. Read the penalties in the US antitrust law which have been ignored. MS should not now exist in the scale they do. Look at the antitrust remedy... RickT On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 14:49 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:26:07PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > DOS 1.0 was a joke compared to CPM-86. > > Dos 6.22 isn't a joke? > > > Windows 1.0 was a joke compared to Apple. > > Windows isn't a joke compared to Apple? > > > Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. > > Access isn't a joke? > > > Internet Explorer 1.0 was a joke compared to Netscape. > > And internet explorer isn't still a joke (maybe not compared to > netscape, but still). > > > MS-Search 1.0 will be a joke compared to Google. > > And continue to be so most likely. Just look at MS's encyclopedia and > such. > > > Do you detect a common theme here? MS has enough money coming in from > > their twin-towers of Windows and Office, that they can afford to charge > > ridiculously low ad rates on their search pages, and drive Google out of > > business, while at the same time putting out fix after fix to their > > search engine, until it's "good enough". > > Unfortunately many things Microsoft does are still bad even when they > are good enough to get most people to use them (by bundling them > together or making them incompatible and hence interdependant on other > MS products). > > Remember Bob? > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 21:55:52 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:55:52 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916184948.GR28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc@mail.gmail.com> On 9/16/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:26:07PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: [...] > > Do you detect a common theme here? MS has enough money coming in from > > their twin-towers of Windows and Office, that they can afford to charge > > ridiculously low ad rates on their search pages, and drive Google out of > > business, while at the same time putting out fix after fix to their > > search engine, until it's "good enough". > > Unfortunately many things Microsoft does are still bad even when they > are good enough to get most people to use them (by bundling them > together or making them incompatible and hence interdependant on other > MS products). While I agree with most of the sentiments earlier in this thread, I have to admit that I'm fairly happy with one m$ product - the Xbox seems to be quite stable and does a good job at what it's designed for. (And now that I've got a copy of Mech Assault, it's just about time to see how linux works on it!) They were also responsible for some serious advancements in software technology (as far as I'm aware) such as the COM and ActiveX - both of which I really like (no comment on security issues.). Through there asanine marketing, they also put PC's in almost every linving room in North America. But... I'll keep the rest of my $0.02 just 'cause I'm sick of almost everything else that has come out of Redmond. In particular, their business tatics leave an awful lot to be desired. > Remember Bob? Heheh. S' a little vague. ;-) Who's Bob? -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 22:30:47 2005 From: tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc at public.gmane.org (ted leslie) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:30:47 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <1126907328.4400.14.camel-GVHZqC5MSyVSXSDylEipykEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1126907328.4400.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> Message-ID: <20050916183047.20d97b0e.tleslie@tcn.net> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:48:48 -0400 Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > The foot up MS has enjoyed has been as a result of working with Intel > combined with IGNORING laws which their country put in place to prevent > "Kings and Rulers". Ignoring antitrust laws has propelled Windows and > Office into the position they now hold. The DOJ refuses to enforce the > law with any teeth so we end up with these spoiled children controlling > the economic structure to their own benefit. Read the penalties in the > US antitrust law which have been ignored. MS should not now exist in the > scale they do. Look at the antitrust remedy... > RickT I couldn't have said it better myself, and to top it all off, for all of bills illegal activity ..... the Queen Knights him .. or some such title that immediately insulted all others that held it. -tl > > On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 14:49 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:26:07PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > DOS 1.0 was a joke compared to CPM-86. > > > > Dos 6.22 isn't a joke? > > > > > Windows 1.0 was a joke compared to Apple. > > > > Windows isn't a joke compared to Apple? > > > > > Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. > > > > Access isn't a joke? > > > > > Internet Explorer 1.0 was a joke compared to Netscape. > > > > And internet explorer isn't still a joke (maybe not compared to > > netscape, but still). > > > > > MS-Search 1.0 will be a joke compared to Google. > > > > And continue to be so most likely. Just look at MS's encyclopedia and > > such. > > > > > Do you detect a common theme here? MS has enough money coming in from > > > their twin-towers of Windows and Office, that they can afford to charge > > > ridiculously low ad rates on their search pages, and drive Google out of > > > business, while at the same time putting out fix after fix to their > > > search engine, until it's "good enough". > > > > Unfortunately many things Microsoft does are still bad even when they > > are good enough to get most people to use them (by bundling them > > together or making them incompatible and hence interdependant on other > > MS products). > > > > Remember Bob? > > > > Lennart Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 22:42:16 2005 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:42:16 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916183047.20d97b0e.tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org>; from tleslie-RBVUpeUoHUc@public.gmane.org on Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 06:30:47PM -0400 References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1126907328.4400.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20050916183047.20d97b0e.tleslie@tcn.net> Message-ID: <20050916184216.A18895@diamond.ss.org> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 06:30:47PM -0400, ted leslie wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:48:48 -0400 > Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > > The foot up MS has enjoyed has been as a result of working with Intel > > combined with IGNORING laws which their country put in place to prevent > > "Kings and Rulers". Ignoring antitrust laws has propelled Windows and > > Office into the position they now hold. The DOJ refuses to enforce the > > law with any teeth so we end up with these spoiled children controlling > > the economic structure to their own benefit. Read the penalties in the > > US antitrust law which have been ignored. MS should not now exist in the > > scale they do. Look at the antitrust remedy... > > RickT > > I couldn't have said it better myself, > and to top it all off, for all of bills illegal activity ..... the Queen Knights him .. > or some such title that immediately insulted all others that held it. > > > -tl > Section 9 Clause 8 of The U.S. Constitution states: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 23:03:02 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:03:02 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916184216.A18895-l+PWtdWbHAuXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1126907328.4400.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20050916183047.20d97b0e.tleslie@tcn.net> <20050916184216.A18895@diamond.ss.org> Message-ID: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: >>I couldn't have said it better myself, >>and to top it all off, for all of bills illegal activity ..... the Queen Knights him .. >>or some such title that immediately insulted all others that held it. >> >> >>-tl >> > > > Section 9 Clause 8 of The U.S. Constitution states: > > No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. So that means that the U.S. has an internal monopoly on Titles. Not only that, this means that the title Billionaire is essentially an internal proprietary naming convention for the equivalent of Knight, Protector of the Kingdom, Honourable fellow or what have you. Seems to me like control of land and a title 300 years ago could easily be equated to control of labour and markets today. That would earn billy an Earldom for sure in yesteryear's terminology. Finally, did Congress approve his entitlment/ing? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 23:11:22 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:11:22 -0400 Subject: Smartpm 0.36 Message-ID: I decided to try smartpm with Gnome today. From what I've read it might well become the package manager of choice for many. However, when I start with the --gui option, the window fills my screen, but the list box(es) stay in the top left corner and will not expand past their 1x1" size. I tried running it inside KDE but with the same results. Has anyone successfully used smartpm --gui? If so, how? My only thought is that it may have something to do with the theme being used (spherecrystal) but I cannot imagine why this would make a difference in layout to the degree that the app is non-functional as it is on my two separate systems. Jamon Camisso -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 16 23:31:30 2005 From: billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:31:30 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <432B4F26.8010008-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>; from jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org on Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:03:02PM -0400 References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1126907328.4400.14.camel@spot1.localhost.com> <20050916183047.20d97b0e.tleslie@tcn.net> <20050916184216.A18895@diamond.ss.org> <432B4F26.8010008@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050916193130.B18895@diamond.ss.org> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:03:02PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote: > billt-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>I couldn't have said it better myself, > >>and to top it all off, for all of bills illegal activity ..... the Queen Knights him .. > >>or some such title that immediately insulted all others that held it. > >> > >> > >>-tl > >> > > > > > > Section 9 Clause 8 of The U.S. Constitution states: > > > > No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. > > So that means that the U.S. has an internal monopoly on Titles. Not only > that, this means that the title Billionaire is essentially an internal > proprietary naming convention for the equivalent of Knight, Protector of > the Kingdom, Honourable fellow or what have you. > > Seems to me like control of land and a title 300 years ago could easily > be equated to control of labour and markets today. That would earn billy > an Earldom for sure in yesteryear's terminology. > > Finally, did Congress approve his entitlment/ing? > I will answer and then take anything else off list because I don't think it is 'linux related' 1) Congress has never approved of any entitlement for any of its citizens. 2) Although technically it can be argued that the constitution forbids government employees from take such title, there was a Sepreme Court decision in the early 1800s (I would have to look up the case) that extended it to anyone who holds citizenship. 3) It is possible to get a title as a few of the billionaires did in the 1920s by becoming British citizens, and renouncing American citizens. 4) It is also possible to be given the title in absentia thus never actually accepting it, and thus still hold the title while you are in England, but not while you are in America. 5) As part of gaining citizenship in the U.S you are required to formally renounce all such titles. There are several such situations, specifically after WWII when many landed nobility from Eastern Europe fled the communists. I doubt Bill Gates renounced American citizenship, but its possible that he was given the title in absentia. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the ceremony requires, so I don't know if you in fact have to accept the title or if you are given the option of declining. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 03:22:59 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:22:59 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again Message-ID: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> After installing to FC4_64, I decided to go back to my electronics project. I re-installed PCB, and now can't load my project... Error: ERROR parsing file '/home/lance/BallyVideocadeBoard' line: 6 description: 'parse error' How can I retreve this info? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 03:42:56 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:42:56 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? Message-ID: <20050917034256.GD7589@waltdnes.org> Are there any manuals/tutorials on setting up .gtkrc? My last issue after switching to 1600x1200 resolution was with XMMS. The dialog boxes, and the fonts were the same number of pixels as they were before I switched to my current working resolution. Fonts and dialogs that looked OK in 1152x864 are too small for comfort at 1600x1200. According to the man page, XMMS gets dialog and dialog-fonts settings from .xmms/gtkrc (which I didn't have). Failing that, I assume it defaults to from ~/.gtkrc (which I didn't have). A Google search on .xmms/gtkrc was absolutely useless. It returned a whole bunch of hits on the XMMS man page telling me that XMMS gets dialog and dialog-fonts settings from .xmms/gtkrc (dohhhh). Searching Google on gtkrc, I finally found a 1-line example for how to set the font. Using xfontsel, I found an appropriate font and came up with the following ~/.xmms/gtkrc style "user-font" { fontset="-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" The font is readable, but the XMMS dialog boxes are too small for my liking. I searched Google again for tutorials or HOWTOs on gtk. I got a bunch of hits on tutorials for accessing gtk via C. I did *NOT* find anything on how to set up a .gtkrc file. Help!!! -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From itz-4SqnbbNSRR0 at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 03:46:52 2005 From: itz-4SqnbbNSRR0 at public.gmane.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: 16 Sep 2005 23:46:52 -0400 Subject: how to add file type handler to firefox ? In-Reply-To: <20050915013735.GB4321-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915013735.GB4321@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <87zmqce4pf.fsf@buug.org> Walter> There are 2 ways of doing it, which are basically identical. Walter> Here's a real-life example where I wanted mplayer to handle mms Walter> and pnm and rtsp (I've built mplayer to pass the URLs on to Walter> RealPlayer if they turn out to be RealPlayer codecs). How did you find out? I mean, I know there's a page on the mozilla site that describes about:config _in general_, but how does one find the actual "path" names? Other than reading the humongous source? I'm not the OP, but I had this problem a few times. -- Optimist: We're only two weeks behind schedule. Pessimist: The schedule is a whole two weeks ahead of us. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 04:48:36 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:48:36 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050916184948.GR28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:49:48PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 02:26:07PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > DOS 1.0 was a joke compared to CPM-86. > > Dos 6.22 isn't a joke? DOS 5 through 6.x were actually quite good. Mind you, MS got off their butts only because DR-DOS was gaining mindshare. > > Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. > > Access isn't a joke? Is there a similar app for linux for the person who doesn't want to be a DBA and set up and admin MySQL or PostgreSQL ? > Remember Bob? "Rover the Retreiver" is still present when you do a file search. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 06:34:01 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:34:01 +0300 (IDT) Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <432B8C13.3000403-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Lance F. Squire wrote: > After installing to FC4_64, I decided to go back to my electronics project. > > I re-installed PCB, and now can't load my project... > > Error: > > ERROR parsing file '/home/lance/BallyVideocadeBoard' > line: 6 > description: 'parse error' > > How can I retreve this info? Open the file with a text editor and see what version it is. You may have to downgrade to an older version of pcb (the file says which version inside). Either that or edit it by hand. This has never happened to me before. I have pcb circuits drawn years ago and I have no trouble opening them now. The pcb files are text. You can edit them with any editor (carefully). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 06:41:20 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:41:20 +0300 (IDT) Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? In-Reply-To: <20050917034256.GD7589-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050917034256.GD7589@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: > Are there any manuals/tutorials on setting up .gtkrc? > > My last issue after switching to 1600x1200 resolution was with XMMS. > The dialog boxes, and the fonts were the same number of pixels as they > were before I switched to my current working resolution. Fonts and > dialogs that looked OK in 1152x864 are too small for comfort at > 1600x1200. Did you set the DisplaySize variable in the Xorg config file after changing the monitor and resolution ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 06:44:47 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:44:47 +0300 (IDT) Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050917044836.GA8879-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. >> >> Access isn't a joke? > > Is there a similar app for linux for the person who doesn't want to be > a DBA and set up and admin MySQL or PostgreSQL ? Openoffice.org Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 00:35:58 2005 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:35:58 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20050917003558.356fbc78@mail.look.ca> At 05:55 PM 2005/09/16 -0400, psema4 wrote: (snip) >Through there asanine marketing, This should be: "their assinine" (snip) >> Remember Bob? > >Heheh. S' a little vague. ;-) Who's Bob? "Bob" was the name of their application which made the Windows interface extremely children-oriented. All the adults rejected it, not realizing that their children were to be the users, not they themselves. The project leader later married Bill Gates. Jim McIntosh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 17:18:05 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:18:05 -0400 Subject: MS Access Alternatives (was: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google) In-Reply-To: <20050917044836.GA8879-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200509171318.07416.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 17, 2005 00:48, Walter Dnes wrote: > Is there a similar app for linux for the person who doesn't want > to be a DBA and set up and admin MySQL or PostgreSQL ? A comparison of OOBase beta with Knoda: Knoda: Rekall: . I find RekallWeb very interesting. DataKiosk: You can watch this Flash movie (on speed) demonstrating DataKiosk: to get an idea of its ease of use. If my suggestions seem skewed towards Qt/KDE apps, it is because I am not a Gnome user or developer. I develop apps using PyQt so I am quite partial to Qt and KDE. There may be similar offerings from the Gnome/GTK world. None of the above come with an embedded database. You have to "set up and admin" MySQL or PostgreSQL but there is not much involved in doing that for either, especially for personal use. Most distros have packages for both and for those source based distros like Slackware, I have not found building either from source to be difficult at all. I find PG is easier to install, administer, and use and has the features that I expect of a database, unlike MySQL which promises to have them "sometime". In a pinch, I could use MySQL but I would feel poorer for it. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 17:58:01 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:58:01 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <432C5929.2000504@rogers.com> Peter wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: > >>>> Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. >>> >>> Access isn't a joke? >> >> Is there a similar app for linux for the person who doesn't want to be >> a DBA and set up and admin MySQL or PostgreSQL ? > > Openoffice.org And of course, the nice thing about OpenOffice, is that it's available on so many different platforms, Linux, Windows, Mac, OS/2 and a few Unixes. Also the OpenDocument format is supported by at least 3 or 4 word processors on Linux and likely in Word Perfect among others. It seems the only company that doesn't support OpenDocument is Microsoft. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 18:41:55 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:41:55 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <432C5929.2000504-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> <432C5929.2000504@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sep 17, 2005, at 1:58 PM, James Knott wrote: > the nice thing about OpenOffice, is that it's available > on so many different platforms, Linux, Windows, Mac, [...] While I have nothing against OOo and use it on Linux, its "availability" on Mac is more theoretical than actual. Using Fink and X11 to install and run Mac programs isn't a reasonable way to go for most people. Recent quotes from various people on the Fink mailing list, concerning OOo: "4 days of compiling later I'm not best pleased with the result" "the .org update on this computer (the faster of the two) has taken _one week_, plus a few hours" And, of course, even if they get through that they still don't have a *real* Mac application. Maybe someday.... "OpenOffice.org has announced that a native Aqua port of Open Office for OS X has been delayed until at least 2006" . I've never cared to try, but I wonder whether the Windows version is any more accessible. (??) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 19:45:37 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:45:37 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> <432C5929.2000504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432C7261.6000003@rogers.com> phil wrote: > And, of course, even if they get through that they still don't have a > *real* Mac application. Maybe someday.... > "OpenOffice.org has announced that a native Aqua port of Open Office for > OS X has been delayed until at least 2006" > . > > I've never cared to try, but I wonder whether the Windows version is any > more accessible. (??) OO works fine on Windows. I recently installed it on Windows 98 for a friend. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 22:56:34 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:56:34 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? Message-ID: <20050917225634.GA16453@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:41:20AM +0300, Peter wrote > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > Are there any manuals/tutorials on setting up .gtkrc? > > > > My last issue after switching to 1600x1200 resolution was with XMMS. > >The dialog boxes, and the fonts were the same number of pixels as they > >were before I switched to my current working resolution. Fonts and > >dialogs that looked OK in 1152x864 are too small for comfort at > >1600x1200. > > Did you set the DisplaySize variable in the Xorg config file after > changing the monitor and resolution ? DisplaySize 328 246 Which is a bit of a lie. I have a 19" (diaganal) CRT monitor. Converting to inches to millimetres comes out to 386 X 289.5. A best approximation (retaining 4 x 3 ratio) is 384 x 288. But I think that gives slightly smaller fonts. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 17 23:30:50 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:30:50 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> <432C5929.2000504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432CA72A.1010407@sympatico.ca> phil wrote: > > While I have nothing against OOo and use it on Linux, its "availability" > on Mac is more theoretical than actual. NeoOffice/J works fine for me on Mac. Yes, it's brutally slow to start up, but it does all I need. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 01:51:44 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:51:44 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> Peter wrote: > > > Open the file with a text editor and see what version it is. You may > have to downgrade to an older version of pcb (the file says which > version inside). Ok, Looks like I installed an older version than I was originaly using. I've found the original version, but the configure script errors-out saying I don't have Xaw installed. But checking 'yum whatprovides xaw' says I do have libXaw installed... I can easily remove the .rpm version I installed, but I've been unable to confugure a tar.gz version or install a more recent .rpm Previous version: pcb-20050315 Currently installed: pcb-1.6.3-946 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 01:54:37 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 21:54:37 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? In-Reply-To: <20050917225634.GA16453-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050917225634.GA16453@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:41:20AM +0300, Peter wrote > >> >>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: >> >> >>>Are there any manuals/tutorials on setting up .gtkrc? >>> >>>My last issue after switching to 1600x1200 resolution was with XMMS. >>>The dialog boxes, and the fonts were the same number of pixels as they >>>were before I switched to my current working resolution. Fonts and >>>dialogs that looked OK in 1152x864 are too small for comfort at >>>1600x1200. >> >>Did you set the DisplaySize variable in the Xorg config file after >>changing the monitor and resolution ? > > > DisplaySize 328 246 > > Which is a bit of a lie. I have a 19" (diaganal) CRT monitor. > Converting to inches to millimetres comes out to 386 X 289.5. A best > approximation (retaining 4 x 3 ratio) is 384 x 288. But I think that > gives slightly smaller fonts. > All you really want to do with this is to make sure that your dpi in xdpyinfo is set to what you want. You do this by creatively rounding the numbers (though in my case all I had to do is round up appropriately). xdpyinfo shows the following section for my 19" CRT at 1600x1200: screen #0: dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (423x318 millimeters) resolution: 96x96 dots per inch -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 02:27:55 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:27:55 -0400 Subject: OT: presence of strings and grep on other OSes In-Reply-To: References: <432ADDFD.9010405@rogers.com> Message-ID: On 9/16/05, Alex Beamish wrote: > On 9/16/05, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > Not sure where else to turn, so I thought I'd ask you folks. I'm looking > > to dig up information about how much I can rely on the presence of > > strings and grep being present on some of the other unices out there, > > such as AIX, HPUX, DGUX, etc. Older versions too. In some cases, egrep > > is present and grep is not. > > > > If anyone has any info, I'd love to hear it. > > You may be able to access busybox, the "Swiss Army Knife of Embedded > Linux". And we would expect to find busybox on a DGUX system precisely why??? Or on a Harris Semiconductor CX/UX system? All of which predate Linux being of particular interest... This is the sort of thing commonly accomodated via using autoconf to search through various forms of different variations of common Unix tools to see what is actually available. I've seen these sorts of things being evaluated by the autoconf configuration for Slony-I and PostgreSQL... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 03:02:28 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:02:28 -0400 Subject: MS Access Alternatives (was: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google) In-Reply-To: <200509171318.07416.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> <200509171318.07416.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20050918030228.GA6209@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 01:18:05PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote > None of the above come with an embedded database. You have to "set > up and admin" MySQL or PostgreSQL I've always been a "command-line-commando" since the early days of DOS. The linux command line and shell-scripting was one of the attractions that pulled me towards linux in the first place. If I'm going to set up PostrgeSQL, I'm going to run it from the command line. At work I'm not officially a CS, but a part of my duties involve custom data queries for clients. We have an Oracle server, and for the easy queries, MS Access front-ending Oracle via ODBC is the way to go. However, for even slightly complex stuff, nothing beats PL/SQL and SQL queries at the command line. Our database is umpteenth-degree normalized, which means I often have to mimic cross-tabbing. Let's just say that multiple self-joins of a multi-hundred gigabyte table "is not a good thing". There is a way to cross-tab normalized data programmatically, and get a quick response from the query. It does *NOT* involve self-joins. I really like doing SQL and especially PL/SQL. Since I'm not part of the DBA team, I have read-only access on the tables. > Most distros have packages for both and for those source based > distros like Slackware, ========== Gentoo ========== [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask postgresql These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] dev-db/libpq-8.0.3 [ebuild N ] dev-db/postgresql-8.0.3 Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 03:22:02 2005 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:22:02 -0400 Subject: Looking for Fedora Core 4 CD-ROMS Message-ID: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> Hi Gang, I guess my subject line says it all. Anybody in the Toronto Area (it was my understanding that we're not *all* in Toronto here...) who has them? I can burn the first two, but the second two fail the Install program's media check. Thanks in advance. Looking forward to hearing from people, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 03:34:08 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:34:08 -0400 Subject: Access Alternatives In-Reply-To: <20050917044836.GA8879-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On 9/17/05, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > Access 1.0 was a joke compared to dBASE. > > > > Access isn't a joke? > > Is there a similar app for linux for the person who doesn't want to be > a DBA and set up and admin MySQL or PostgreSQL ? The fundamental problem is that a piece of software that subsumes the functionality of both Access *and* a half decent database will be, remarkably enough, BIGGER and MORE COMPLEX than, say, PostgreSQL. Consider that a full install of PostgreSQL consists of about 12MB worth of binaries (that's how big the install is on my laptop). That is, in fact, relatively SMALL. It is difficult to find an application with interesting "monolithic" functionality with a GUI where the widget libraries won't be that large or larger. I haven't seen an MS Access installation lately; I'd be quite unsurprised to find it being 10x larger than that. The VAST complexity that this implies points to why you haven't see much of anything emerging as an alternative. It takes *way* more code to implement a sophisticated GUI front end for hooking to databases than it does to implement a database engine as sophisticated as PostgreSQL. In effect, it's easier to script up some sort of web application that *isn't* "general purpose" which will satisfy one's immediate needs. Someone may start the "Let's Clone MS Access" project, but once they determine that it's tougher than building a decent DBMS, they're likely to backstep to something that's not of such general interest. The package that I have most commonly seen being suggested as being *vaguely* comparable to Access on Linux is "Gambas" which is a sort of "Visual BASIC" clone. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 03:52:54 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:52:54 -0400 Subject: MS Access Alternatives (was: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google) In-Reply-To: <20050918030228.GA6209-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <200509171318.07416.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <20050918030228.GA6209@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <200509172352.55309.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 17, 2005 23:02, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 01:18:05PM -0400, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote > > > None of the above come with an embedded database. You have to > > "set up and admin" MySQL or PostgreSQL > > I've always been a "command-line-commando" since the early days > of DOS. The linux command line and shell-scripting was one of the > attractions that pulled me towards linux in the first place. If > I'm going to set up PostrgeSQL, I'm going to run it from the > command line. Nothing precludes you from doing that. That is how I use PostgreSQL. I have not found psql, the PostgreSQL shell, wanting for anything. > At work I'm not officially a CS, but a part of my > duties involve custom data queries for clients. We have an Oracle > server, and for the easy queries, MS Access front-ending Oracle via > ODBC is the way to go. > > However, for even slightly complex stuff, nothing beats PL/SQL > and SQL queries at the command line. I think you will find much to like about PostgreSQL then. PostgreSQL offers not one but several languages for writing stored procedures so you have some options. > Our database is > umpteenth-degree normalized, which means I often have to mimic > cross-tabbing. Let's just say that multiple self-joins of a > multi-hundred gigabyte table "is not a good thing". There is a way > to cross-tab normalized data programmatically, and get a quick > response from the query. It does *NOT* involve self-joins. I > really like doing SQL and especially PL/SQL. Since I'm not part of > the DBA team, I have read-only access on the tables. > > > Most distros have packages for both and for those source based > > distros like Slackware, > > ========== Gentoo ========== > [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask postgresql > > These are the packages that I would merge, in order: > > Calculating dependencies ...done! > [ebuild N ] dev-db/libpq-8.0.3 > [ebuild N ] dev-db/postgresql-8.0.3 > > Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] Go ahead, just say "Yes":) -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 05:47:41 2005 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:47:41 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <432CC830.1020900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> Hi Lance, Check to see if you have Xaw-*devel* installed (remove asterisks, of course). './configure' need the development files (header files, mostly, I think). Hope this helps, -David Chipman On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 21:51 -0400, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Peter wrote: > > > > > > Open the file with a text editor and see what version it is. You may > > have to downgrade to an older version of pcb (the file says which > > version inside). > > Ok, > > Looks like I installed an older version than I was originaly using. > > I've found the original version, but the configure script errors-out > saying I don't have Xaw installed. > > But checking 'yum whatprovides xaw' says I do have libXaw installed... > > I can easily remove the .rpm version I installed, but I've been unable > to confugure a tar.gz version or install a more recent .rpm > > Previous version: pcb-20050315 > Currently installed: pcb-1.6.3-946 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 06:11:13 2005 From: ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Nicholas Davey) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 02:11:13 -0400 Subject: Looking for Fedora Core 4 CD-ROMS In-Reply-To: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> References: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> Message-ID: <432D0501.8030801@cogeco.ca> Sure, where are you located? Regards, Nick Davey David C. Chipman wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I guess my subject line says it all. Anybody in the Toronto Area (it >was my understanding that we're not *all* in Toronto here...) who has >them? I can burn the first two, but the second two fail the Install >program's media check. Thanks in advance. Looking forward to hearing >from people, > > -David Chipman > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 09:57:44 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate Message-ID: Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! http://www.talklikeapirateday.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day :) Rob (the ol' sea dog) -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073 Senior Technical Consultant Email: support-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net We are open 24x7x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 14:09:55 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:09:55 -0400 Subject: NOVELL: Cool Solutions Message-ID: <432D7533.1050608@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 14:10:16 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:10:16 -0400 Subject: Novell Linux Users International Message-ID: <432D7548.1010409@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 14:12:56 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:12:56 -0400 Subject: TUX | The First and Only Magazine for the New Linux User Message-ID: <432D75E8.2030000@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 15:43:38 2005 From: chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:43:38 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine Message-ID: Hi everyone, Yep, another one bytes the dust. I think I'm going to join the revolution & start writing a blog. It's times like these, when I start subtly handing over organizational aspects of my life to some (hopefully) transparent technology, that sort of make me think i'm becoming more sophisticated. First, it was a cellular phone (i vowed for the longest time I'd never get one, but it happened), now this. What's next? To the point - I was hoping that someone could recommend a good Content Management System that's well designed, probably will have continued development for a number of years (i.e. it's getting a reasonable amount of use by several (hundreds of?) people), is easy to maintain / use, easy on the eyes, and somewhat extensible. Is there such a system that has a blog, maybe with some sort of integrated image gallery? Just a general sort of personal web site engine. I don't want it to buy my groceries for me or anything. It would preferably be something w/ PHP/MySQL integration that has apache under the hood & lots of themes. Any suggestions? Much appreciated as always ;-) ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 16:17:07 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:17:07 +0000 Subject: Lug meeting info needed Message-ID: <1127060227.9171.6.camel@localhost> Hi Folks I have a friend that works for IBM and lives in Brampton that is just starting to explore Linux. Would the people responsible please post the meeting times and other particulars for the NewTlug and PHlug sessions so that I can pass the info on to him? TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 16:31:09 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: Lug meeting info needed In-Reply-To: <1127060227.9171.6.camel@localhost> References: <1127060227.9171.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <432D964D.4060603@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > Hi Folks > I have a friend that works for IBM and lives in Brampton that is just > starting to explore Linux. Would the people responsible please post the > meeting times and other particulars for the NewTlug and PHlug sessions > so that I can pass the info on to him? PHlug meets at "Mulligan's", a pub on Dundas St., between Southdown Rd. and Winston Churchill Blvd. However, it's more of a "shoot the breeze" session, rather than an organized meeting. Also, today I posted some links for Novell/SuSE info as well as Tux magazine. Perhaps you could send those to your friend, particularly Tux, as it's geared for new users. Also, he should be able to find some internal Linux courses at IBM. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 18:05:29 2005 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) =?iso-8859-1?q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:05:29 -0400 Subject: ReminderBook launch, signing, and desktop Linux info session Message-ID: <200509181405.30183.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, gratuitous self promotion It's a book launch. It's a desktop Linux info session. It's a book signing. It's three, three, three events in one! Just a quick reminder for those who can make it : on Thursday, September 22 starting at 12:30pm and running for an hour or so, I'm going to be doing a book signing at the World's Biggest Bookstore in downtown Toronto. This is going to be a combination book launch, book signing meet the author thing, and desktop Linux information session. My publisher tells me that I'll have a bunch of free (!!!) WFTL Games Knoppix CDs to hand out as well -- these CDs are the ones that appear in the Barnes & Noble special edition of the new Moving to Linux : Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye! 2nd edition (of which, I'm told, there will be a lot of as well). If you live and/or work in the Toronto area and you can make it, please drop by and say hello. Who knows, if a lot of Linux curious folk appear, I might need some help answering questions [ insert appropriate smiley here ]. Feel free to pass this information on to anyhow else who you think might be interested. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to the Linux Business Desktop" "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" "Linux System Administration, A User's Guide" Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.marcelgagne.com/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 18:09:45 2005 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:09:45 -0400 Subject: Looking for Fedora Core 4 CD-ROMS In-Reply-To: <432D0501.8030801-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> <432D0501.8030801@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <1127066986.8871.0.camel@david.chipman> Hi Nick, I'm close to Casa Loma. -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 18:46:34 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:46:34 -0400 Subject: Lug meeting info needed In-Reply-To: <1127060227.9171.6.camel@localhost> References: <1127060227.9171.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050918184634.GA2102@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:17:07PM +0000, John McGregor wrote: > Hi Folks > I have a friend that works for IBM and lives in Brampton that is just > starting to explore Linux. Would the people responsible please post the > meeting times and other particulars for the NewTlug and PHlug sessions > so that I can pass the info on to him? WestTLUG: http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/WestTLUG/ - We meet at a pub for dinner, on first Tuesday of the month. No presentation yet. Location of the pub is in the calendar on the website. NewTLUG: http://newtlug.linux.ca/ -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 18:49:47 2005 From: stephenc-1+gBmcx5sBQ at public.gmane.org (Stephen Clarke) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:49:47 -0400 Subject: Looking for Fedora Core 4 CD-ROMS In-Reply-To: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> References: <1127013722.8834.2.camel@david> Message-ID: <20050918184948.QKKT26102.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@xendor> David, I'm in the Bayview Eglinton area if that's closer. My set all pass the check. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of David C. Chipman Sent: September 17, 2005 11:22 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Looking for Fedora Core 4 CD-ROMS Hi Gang, I guess my subject line says it all. Anybody in the Toronto Area (it was my understanding that we're not *all* in Toronto here...) who has them? I can burn the first two, but the second two fail the Install program's media check. Thanks in advance. Looking forward to hearing from people, -David Chipman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 19:47:13 2005 From: sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Ripley) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:47:13 -0700 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 Message-ID: hi all, (forgive me if this has already been discussed... :-) i just "upgraded" (at the request of rogers) my modem from their Terayon modem to their Motorola SURFboard modem... (along with my new IP address), it would appear that port 25 is blocked on outgoing SMTP connections, you need to authenticate against their SMTP server... of course it's simple enough: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/rogers/mail/pop/pop-28.html just annoying... (i was authenticating against my own server, etc.) anyone else run into this as well? any other surprises wrapped up in this modem upgrade present? Scott -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 21:18:09 2005 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! > http://www.talklikeapirateday.com > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day Programmer's day (the 256th day of the year, September 13 in non-leap years) comes and goes without a peep, but people pay attention to this? Bah! Phooey! JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 22:09:17 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:09:17 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509181809.18178.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 18, 2005 11:43, Chris Friedt wrote: [snip] > To the point - I was hoping that someone could recommend a good > Content Management System that's well designed, probably will have > continued development for a number of years (i.e. it's getting a > reasonable amount of use by several (hundreds of?) people), is easy > to maintain / use, easy on the eyes, and somewhat extensible. > > Is there such a system that has a blog, maybe with some sort of > integrated image gallery? Just a general sort of personal web site > engine. I don't want it to buy my groceries for me or anything. It > would preferably be something w/ PHP/MySQL integration that has > apache under the hood & lots of themes. I think Plone is an amazing CMS that can be as easy or as complex as you want it to be. There are blogging add-ons for it ranging from very simple to very sophisticated. I've recently been playing with Quills for blogging on Plone. It seems to do all the things that I could expect of a blog. Plone is well documented, engineered, supported, and is in use by tens of thousands of people. I find it easy to customize its look and feel, though I am quite happy with the default theme. It helps that it is written in Python, which I like much better than PHP. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 23:10:45 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:10:45 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f050918161071773a35@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/05, John Vetterli wrote: > On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > > Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! > > http://www.talklikeapirateday.com > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day > > Programmer's day (the 256th day of the year, September 13 in non-leap > years) comes and goes without a peep, but people pay attention to this? > Bah! Phooey! I saw Rob's message 'bout Programmer's day a little late (rough time on the cyber seas don't ya know) T'was the first time I e'er heard about that. 'Course, I've every intention of making sure my boss knows 'bout it next year. Aye, indeed I do! Regards, - Yellow Beer'd ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 18 23:21:56 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:21:56 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f050918161071773a35-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f050918161071773a35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f050918162145e5e8db@mail.gmail.com> > I saw Rob's message 'bout Programmer's day a little late (rough time > on the cyber seas don't ya know) T'was the first time I e'er heard > about that. 'Course, I've every intention of making sure my boss > knows 'bout it next year. Aarggh! Too much swiggin, not 'nuff RAM. Was rememberin a message from a while back, but after searchin through me records, looks like maybe I was recallin' sysadmin day, not programmers' day. - Yellow Beer'd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 00:07:40 2005 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) =?iso-8859-1?q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:07:40 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509182007.41196.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello Chris, On September 18, 2005 11:43 am, Chris Friedt wrote: > > To the point - I was hoping that someone could recommend a good Content > Management System that's well designed, probably will have continued > development for a number of years (i.e. it's getting a reasonable amount > of use by several (hundreds of?) people), is easy to maintain / use, > easy on the eyes, and somewhat extensible. Well, since you asked and I went through this myself a few months ago, I might be able to offer some pointers to help you make a decision. After trying several (Metadot, Plone, Postnuke, phpWebsite, Mambo, myPHPnuke), I settled on Drupal. My second choice in that list (and a close second) was Mambo. For flat out blogging though, a lot of people I know tend to really like WordPress. It just wasn't what I wanted or needed. You might be interested in knowing that there is a site out there that lists and rates various open source CMS packages. It's certainly worth the few minutes to check it out. http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=388&Itemid=143 Good luck with the hunt. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to the Linux Business Desktop" "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" "Linux System Administration, A User's Guide" Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.marcelgagne.com/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 01:56:57 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:56:57 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? In-Reply-To: <432CC8DD.6080507-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050917225634.GA16453@waltdnes.org> <432CC8DD.6080507@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050919015657.GA3117@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:54:37PM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote > numbers (though in my case all I had to do is round up appropriately). > > xdpyinfo shows the following section for my 19" CRT at 1600x1200: > > screen #0: > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (423x318 millimeters) > resolution: 96x96 dots per inch Meanwhile, I get... screen #0: dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (330x248 millimeters) resolution: 123x123 dots per inch -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 02:04:06 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:04:06 -0400 Subject: Linux has arrived Message-ID: <20050919020406.GB3117@waltdnes.org> Went and bought an all-in-1 memory card reader today (Sunday). It had a bunch of logos on the package. They include Win XP/2000/ME/98SE, Mac, *AND LINUX* (above kernel 2.4.0). -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 02:11:04 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:11:04 -0400 Subject: Linux has arrived In-Reply-To: <20050919020406.GB3117-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919020406.GB3117@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <432E1E38.50007@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > > Went and bought an all-in-1 memory card reader today (Sunday). It had > a bunch of logos on the package. They include Win XP/2000/ME/98SE, Mac, > *AND LINUX* (above kernel 2.4.0). At least it didn't have the cheesy old "Cool - it works with Linux" logo that will forever be so 1998 for me. Stewart (peeved to discover that Memory Stick Pro -- in its adaptor -- isn't pin-compatible with the original Memory Stick. So the cheap Lexar card reader that CWO sells *won't* work with recent Sony kit.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 03:29:52 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:29:52 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> Message-ID: <432E30B0.7080409@alteeve.com> David C. Chipman wrote: > Hi Lance, > > Check to see if you have Xaw-*devel* installed (remove asterisks, of > course). './configure' need the development files (header files, mostly, > I think). Hope this helps, > DOH! I Should have known this... Located Xaw (libXaw) inside xorg-x11-* packages... Installed xorg-x11-devel... Run ./configure on PCB WORKS!!! :) Thanks! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 03:55:40 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:55:40 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <432E30B0.7080409-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> <432E30B0.7080409@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <432E36BC.3090600@alteeve.com> Lance F. Squire wrote: > WORKS!!! :) > Um.... Correction, .configure works, but I get errors during make... :( Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 04:28:15 2005 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:28:15 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <432E36BC.3090600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> <432E30B0.7080409@alteeve.com> <432E36BC.3090600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1127104095.3873.5.camel@david.chipman> Hi Lance, What errors do you get from make? (You did redirect standard-error to a file, right?). Please post, maybe we can help? Or maybe you should report the errors to the maintainers of PCB. Either way, best of luck, -David Chipman On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 23:55 -0400, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Lance F. Squire wrote: > > > WORKS!!! :) > > > > Um.... > > Correction, .configure works, but I get errors during make... :( > > Lance > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 12:31:23 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:31:23 -0400 Subject: MIDI/Audio Message-ID: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> I'm planning on getting a new computer soon, primarily for "serious" reasons, but I've also been thinking about some off-hours functions. This is mostly speculation for the moment, but I'm wondering whether anyone on the list uses Linux sound and MIDI applications. (I have bookmarked, but it's more a catalog than a source of advice.) I'm mostly interested in recommendations about infrastructure stuff such as supported hardware, custom kernels, ALSA, jackd.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 12:49:05 2005 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:49:05 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <432EB3C1.2010003@mineallmeyn.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! > > http://www.talklikeapirateday.com > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day ARRRGGGGHH! His 'oliness Cap'n Spaghetti Mon-Stir will be rightly pleased by this, I wager. Away! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nyetwork-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:02:47 2005 From: nyetwork-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:02:47 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c359fc05091906022afa1b0a@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/05, Chris Friedt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Yep, another one bytes the dust. I think I'm going to join the > revolution & start writing a blog. > > It's times like these, when I start subtly handing over organizational > aspects of my life to some (hopefully) transparent technology, that sort > of make me think i'm becoming more sophisticated. First, it was a > cellular phone (i vowed for the longest time I'd never get one, but it > happened), now this. What's next? > > To the point - I was hoping that someone could recommend a good Content > Management System that's well designed, probably will have continued > development for a number of years (i.e. it's getting a reasonable amount > of use by several (hundreds of?) people), is easy to maintain / use, > easy on the eyes, and somewhat extensible. > > Is there such a system that has a blog, maybe with some sort of > integrated image gallery? Just a general sort of personal web site > engine. I don't want it to buy my groceries for me or anything. It would > preferably be something w/ PHP/MySQL integration that has apache under > the hood & lots of themes. > > Any suggestions? Much appreciated as always ;-) > > > ~/Chris To my mind, Plone and Drupal are kinda overkill for a blog. I like WordPress: http://wordpress.org/ It's hailed as the replacement to Movable Type. And it's really simple and snazzy. -Leigh -- Leigh Honeywell http://hypatia.ca ============ nyetwork group http://nyetwork.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:23:28 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:23:28 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: <432EB3C1.2010003-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g@public.gmane.org> References: <432EB3C1.2010003@mineallmeyn.com> Message-ID: <9089AD04-2910-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Oliver Meyn wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: >> Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! >> http://www.talklikeapirateday.com >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day > > ARRRGGGGHH! His 'oliness Cap'n Spaghetti Mon-Stir will be rightly > pleased by this, I wager. > > Away! In case it's of interest, Tom Smith, who I had the pleasure of hearing a few times in the spring, wrote a song for the day. Lyrics: Free: Commercial: "When laptops are benches God gave us fer wenches" - Tom Smith -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hooman-98tmhbc06NpBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:30:36 2005 From: hooman-98tmhbc06NpBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Hooman Baradaran) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:30:36 -0400 Subject: MIDI/Audio In-Reply-To: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <2631cf72050919063079ac3c9@mail.gmail.com> SSd2ZSB2ZXJ5IHJlY2VudGx5IHNldHVwIE1JREkgaW4gTGludXguIEkga25vdyBtb3N0IFVTQi1N SURJIGRldmljZXMKYXJlIHN1cHBvcnRlZCBidXQgSSd2ZSB1c2VkIGEgc291bmQgY2FyZCdzIE1Q VTQwMSBwb3J0IGFuZCBhcyBsb25nIGFzCnRoZSBhbHNhIGRyaXZlciBzdXBwb3J0cyB0aGUgcG9y dCBldmVyeXRoaW5nIGVsc2Ugc2hvdWxkIGJlIHBsdWcgbicKcGxheS4gSSBwbGF5ZWQgTUlESSBm aWxlcyBvbiBteSBkaWdpdGFsIHBpYW5vIGFuZCByZWNvcmRlZCBtaWRpIHVzaW5nClJvc2VnYXJk ZW4gKHdoaWNoIGFsc28gaW5jbHVkZXMgYSBzY29yZSBlZGl0b3IpLgoKT24gOS8xOS8wNSwgcGhp bCA8cGhpbGxpcEBtaWxsc2dhcnRoc29uLmNhPiB3cm90ZToKPiBJJ20gcGxhbm5pbmcgb24gZ2V0 dGluZyBhIG5ldyBjb21wdXRlciBzb29uLCBwcmltYXJpbHkgZm9yICJzZXJpb3VzIgo+IHJlYXNv bnMsIGJ1dCBJJ3ZlIGFsc28gYmVlbiB0aGlua2luZyBhYm91dCBzb21lIG9mZi1ob3VycyBmdW5j dGlvbnMuCj4gCj4gVGhpcyBpcyBtb3N0bHkgc3BlY3VsYXRpb24gZm9yIHRoZSBtb21lbnQsIGJ1 dCBJJ20gd29uZGVyaW5nIHdoZXRoZXIKPiBhbnlvbmUgb24gdGhlIGxpc3QgdXNlcyBMaW51eCBz b3VuZCBhbmQgTUlESSBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMuICAoSSBoYXZlCj4gPGh0dHA6Ly9saW51eC1zb3Vu ZC5vcmcvb25lLXBhZ2UuaHRtbD4gYm9va21hcmtlZCwgYnV0IGl0J3MgbW9yZSBhCj4gY2F0YWxv ZyB0aGFuIGEgc291cmNlIG9mIGFkdmljZS4pICBJJ20gbW9zdGx5IGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4KPiBy ZWNvbW1lbmRhdGlvbnMgYWJvdXQgaW5mcmFzdHJ1Y3R1cmUgc3R1ZmYgc3VjaCBhcyBzdXBwb3J0 ZWQgaGFyZHdhcmUsCj4gY3VzdG9tIGtlcm5lbHMsIEFMU0EsIGphY2tkLi4uLgo+IAo+IC0tCj4g VGhlIFRvcm9udG8gTGludXggVXNlcnMgR3JvdXAuICAgICAgTWVldGluZ3M6IGh0dHA6Ly90bHVn LnNzLm9yZwo+IFRMVUcgcmVxdWVzdHM6IExpbnV4IHRvcGljcywgTm8gSFRNTCwgd3JhcCB0ZXh0 IGJlbG93IDgwIGNvbHVtbnMKPiBIb3cgdG8gVU5TVUJTQ1JJQkU6IGh0dHA6Ly90bHVnLnNzLm9y Zy9zdWJzY3JpYmUuc2h0bWwKPiAKCgotLSAKSG9vbWFuIEJhcmFkYXJhbgpob29tYW5AaG9vbWFu Yi5jb20Kd3d3Lmhvb21hbmIuY29tCgpTdXJmIFNhZmUsIEdldCBGaXJlZm94Cmh0dHA6Ly93d3cu Z2V0ZmlyZWZveC5jb20K -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:41:47 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:41:47 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <432CA72A.1010407-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050917044836.GA8879@waltdnes.org> <432C5929.2000504@rogers.com> <432CA72A.1010407@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On 9/17/05, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > phil wrote: > > > > While I have nothing against OOo and use it on Linux, its "availability" > > on Mac is more theoretical than actual. > > NeoOffice/J works fine for me on Mac. Yes, it's brutally slow to start > up, but it does all I need. I second that. NeoOffice/J works just peachy on my Mac. I wouldn't dream of touching the base OO under X11 on the Mac ever again. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:49:11 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:49:11 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050919134911.GS28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 05:55:52PM -0400, psema4 wrote: > While I agree with most of the sentiments earlier in this thread, I > have to admit that I'm fairly happy with one m$ product - the Xbox > seems to be quite stable and does a good job at what it's designed > for. (And now that I've got a copy of Mech Assault, it's just about > time to see how linux works on it!) The thing seems much larger than it needs to be. :) But pretty small for a PC I guess. > They were also responsible for some serious advancements in software > technology (as far as I'm aware) such as the COM and ActiveX - both of > which I really like (no comment on security issues.). I think netscape invented the browser plugin concept. Nothing novel about activex at all (other than apparently taking security holes to a new level). > Through there asanine marketing, they also put PC's in almost every > linving room in North America. But... I'll keep the rest of my $0.02 > just 'cause I'm sick of almost everything else that has come out of > Redmond. In particular, their business tatics leave an awful lot to > be desired. Hmm, I haven't actually seen very many living rooms with PCs in them. And the Win XP MCE sure hasn't been very successful yet. > > Remember Bob? > > Heheh. S' a little vague. ;-) Who's Bob? "Microsoft Bob" Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:53:44 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:53:44 -0400 Subject: MIDI/Audio In-Reply-To: <2631cf72050919063079ac3c9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <2631cf72050919063079ac3c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the comments. On Sep 19, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Hooman Baradaran wrote: > I've used a sound card's MPU401 port and as long as > the alsa driver supports the port everything else should be plug n' > play. Many years ago I used a MPU401 (MPU-IPC). What card are you using? Does it come with an external box for connecting standard MIDI cables or some kind of adapter...? How many ports? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Stan-PAleLrdANoqY+5vIsb+96wC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 13:47:09 2005 From: Stan-PAleLrdANoqY+5vIsb+96wC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Stan Witkowski) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:47:09 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> From articles in the Ottawa Business Journal. Skip this first bit to jump right to the jobs in Ottawa if you're in a hurry..... My comment: Liquid Computing (liquidcomputing.com) has the following job on their web site: (This is a post-sales function. Having done both pre-sales *AND* post-sales for Honeywell Canada in the early 1980s, I found what they were asking for curious. The asterisks are MY opinion (1-5 out of 5) as to how important the requirement is when you are out in the field. 5 = vital Being able to schmooze with customers to upsell them while at the same time calming them AND tracking down what's wrong on their $500,000 system without going off the deep end yourself isn't something they teach in CompSci... -Stan. ) The Customer Engineer will be responsible for product introduction of the new STL Server systems at customer sites. As the on-site customer prime, the major focus will encompass ensuring the timely installation, commissioning, troubleshooting and operational functions for successful deliverables. Skills & Qualifications ? 5+ years experience in a related Systems Engineer role ** ? Network computer system knowledge *** ? Linux programming and operation *** ? C, C++ * ? Troubleshooting experience ***** ? Experience interacting with customers with ***** the ability to translate technical issues into understandable customer value/solutions ? Strong interpersonal, negotiation and presentation skills ***** ? Excellent written and oral communication skills ***** ? BSc/BE degree in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering * ? Ability to travel throughout North America on a regular basis is required. http://archive.ottawabusinessjournal.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/obj/archive/2005/September/14/OBJ-Technology/14527.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=Liquid+Computing§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1999&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=OBJ-Web%0A%09%09%09 Penguins deployed in recruiting drive (IN OTTAWA) Date September 14, 2005 In a throwback to an earlier era, Ottawa's Liquid Computing (liquidcomputing.com) is parading three human-sized penguins throughout the city's high-tech community in a bid to attract new employees. The penguins were in the Moodie Drive and Carling Avenue area early this morning and will be frequenting coffee shops and restaurants in Kanata during the noon hour. "We're a serious group but we also like to have fun,' says Andy Church, Liquid's director of marketing and product line management. A flock of 50 penguins have also been deployed on the company's front lawn at 340 Terry Fox Drive to reinforce the recruiting effort. The company will hand out a can of Millionaire Sardines to the first 25 qualified candidates who submit a resume. Liquid is looking for 20 experienced full-time Linux developers as well as software engineers, hardware designers and other employees. Liquid has employed traditional hiring approaches before, but this time decided to try something different to attract attention and encourage potential candidates to learn about the company and what it offers, says Mr. Church. And while the event may re-kindle memories of the recruiting stunts common during the tech boom, he describes the penguin parade as a "low-cost approach" without the extravagance that sometimes accompanied earlier ventures. Liquid Computing is developing a new type of computer server designed to meet the high level computing demands of the scientific & research, oil & gas, biosciences, mechanical design and engineering & geosciences communities. ======================================================= http://archive.ottawabusinessjournal.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/obj/archive/2005/May/11/OBJ-LocalBusiness/12583.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=Liquid+Computing§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1999&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=OBJ-Web%0A%09%09%09 Job fair a hit with the tech crowd Date May 11, 2005 Brief A career fair Tuesday at the Corel Centre was a hit, according to some of the recruiters that were there seeking to fill positions in the recovering tech sector. Two of the companies that attended enjoyed queues until the closing minutes, proving that it A career fair Tuesday at the Corel Centre was a hit, according to some of the recruiters that were there seeking to fill positions in the recovering tech sector. Two of the companies that attended enjoyed queues until the closing minutes, proving that it was time well spent. "The crowd seemed to be in the range of about 1,000 people," estimated TenXc Wireless head Joe Hickey. "We had 14 hiring managers there and they were still in line to see us at 8 p.m. I'd say we were pretty well received." His firm, along with Symbium and Liquid Computing, took part in the cattle call that lasted from 4 to 8 p.m. Both said the spectrum of job seekers was filled with young, old, experienced and just out of school. From that diverse group, some will merit a second interview. Symbium is looking to hire eight to 10 more people right now with another 40 more over the next 18 months. TenXc is going to be doubling its workforce quickly over the next four months, increasing from about 33 employees to more than 60 .Liquid will be hiring engineers, business development experts and other staff over the next 18 months. "We'll be bringing a few people back for interviews and there will be a few offers made," Mr. Hickey added "The good thing about this is you're able to see a lot of candidates in a short period of time. You can quickly see which ones you want to take to the next level." Symbium director of business development Doug Moxon said the entire experience was worthwhile and something he would consider doing again. "It went very well, better than we expected. An awful lot of people showed up, and I was impressed with the quality of the candidates. There was a lot of talent there." There hasn't been time yet to sort through the mountain of applications, he said, but clearly some stood out from the pack. "We haven't sat down yet and narrowed the field down, but certainly there are some that we will pursue." In the end, it was a positive experience, he stated. "I haven't actually taken part in one of these before, but it's easy to see the cost effectiveness of it as a tool to recruit talent. Simply from the size of the crowd, you can see that some real talent would stand out." Scott Taylor Ottawa Business Journal ======================================================= -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 14:23:07 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:23:07 -0400 Subject: MIDI/Audio In-Reply-To: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <49D80E90-2909-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <20050919142307.GT28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 08:31:23AM -0400, phil wrote: > I'm planning on getting a new computer soon, primarily for "serious" > reasons, but I've also been thinking about some off-hours functions. > > This is mostly speculation for the moment, but I'm wondering whether > anyone on the list uses Linux sound and MIDI applications. (I have > bookmarked, but it's more a > catalog than a source of advice.) I'm mostly interested in > recommendations about infrastructure stuff such as supported hardware, > custom kernels, ALSA, jackd.... Well I have played a bit with midi on my system. I have an SB Live! Platinum (which has midi ports on the drive bay thingy), and using alsa on a stock debian kernel works perfectly. I haven't tried anything that didn't work yet. For instruments I have 'Utopialive' loaded using sfxload as far as I recall. jack seems to do whatever it does, although on my slow 700mhz machine it doesn't like doing things too quickly. Perhaps a custom kernel compile with preempt enabled and such would make things better, but then again they may become less stable too. I haven't tried. There is even a dedicated debian version for music use called DeMuDi (Debian Music Distribution). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 14:48:32 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:48:32 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0-ZEWhMxyTXSNv1tLSo3TydwC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> Message-ID: On 9/19/05, Stan Witkowski wrote: > Liquid is looking for 20 experienced full-time Linux developers as well as > software engineers, hardware designers and other employees. What is an interesting question here is whether they are: a) Looking for "Unix" developers, and writing 'Linux', or b) Looking for 20 experienced Linux kernel developers. There is an argument to be made that Toronto is something of a "dead zone" as far as Linux is concerned because there aren't many Linux developers here. Irrespective of whether the 20 positions above are kernel jobs, there are *WAY* more kernel people in Ottawa than in Toronto, despite the 3:1 population difference. It's kind of disappointing... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 14:56:55 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:56:55 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? In-Reply-To: <20050919015657.GA3117-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050917225634.GA16453@waltdnes.org> <432CC8DD.6080507@utoronto.ca> <20050919015657.GA3117@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Walter Dnes wrote: > Meanwhile, I get... > > screen #0: > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (330x248 millimeters) > resolution: 123x123 dots per inch 1600x1200 on a 17"? My eyes hurt just thinking about it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 15:08:07 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:08:07 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine In-Reply-To: <17c359fc05091906022afa1b0a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <17c359fc05091906022afa1b0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Leigh Honeywell wrote: > To my mind, Plone and Drupal are kinda overkill for a blog. I like > WordPress: http://wordpress.org/ > > It's hailed as the replacement to Movable Type. And it's really > simple and snazzy. > > -Leigh Yep. Worpress was my choice for www.jamonation.com. The number and variety of plugins and themes is what got me interested. I've not looked into other options since I started -- whether that is because it does anything I need or because I amnot aware of any technical restrictions (because of my lackof knowledge) I do not know. Regardless, if you have the space and free database, install your two top choices and try using them both for a week. See which you like better. I started with Moveable Type and Wordpress. Not sure why I ruled out the others. Jamon Camisso -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 15:12:09 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:12:09 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <20050919134911.GS28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc@mail.gmail.com> <20050919134911.GS28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <432ED549.3040608@interlog.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And the Win XP MCE sure hasn't been very successful yet. Not too surprising since, AFAIK, it is only available to OEMs (ie. only with a new machine). -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 17:47:06 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:47:06 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine Message-ID: Good call ;-) I just set up word press too, it's working pretty well. It would be kindof interesting to see how well it integrates with other CMS as well. I've also seen something called 'nucleus' which looks pretty well designed too. ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org >>> jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org 9/19/05 11:08:07 am >>> Leigh Honeywell wrote: > To my mind, Plone and Drupal are kinda overkill for a blog. I like > WordPress: http://wordpress.org/ > > It's hailed as the replacement to Movable Type. And it's really > simple and snazzy. > > -Leigh Yep. Worpress was my choice for www.jamonation.com. The number and variety of plugins and themes is what got me interested. I've not looked into other options since I started -- whether that is because it does anything I need or because I amnot aware of any technical restrictions (because of my lackof knowledge) I do not know. Regardless, if you have the space and free database, install your two top choices and try using them both for a week. See which you like better. I started with Moveable Type and Wordpress. Not sure why I ruled out the others. Jamon Camisso -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:00:34 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 19 Sep 2005 14:00:34 -0400 Subject: LPI In-Reply-To: <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <38941.66.11.182.5.1126626807.squirrel@cbits.ca> <99a6c38f050913091151e0902b@mail.gmail.com> <39318.66.11.182.5.1126628569.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: "Jason Carson" writes: > I found this deal, think I should get it. It's Exam Cram 2 and LPI Linux > Certification in a Nutshell, both for $54.87 Don't get the ORA book until the new revision comes out. EC2 is good. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:02:09 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 19 Sep 2005 14:02:09 -0400 Subject: LPI again In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05091521207cd62efd-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <33350.66.11.182.5.1126842706.squirrel@cbits.ca> <432A43BD.2020706@almatau.com> <99a6c38f05091521207cd62efd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: psema4 writes: > On 9/16/05, Ilya Palagin wrote: > > Jason Carson wrote: > > > > >Where can I take the LPI test. Where are the classrooms where I write the > > >test? > > And if your not in a hurry, exams are increasingly available at trade > shows like LinuxWorld, frequently in the $50 range. Yep and I'll be hosting an exam lab at an upcoming NewTLUG meeting at York. If that's not convenient for some of you let me know and I'll try to arrange one for downtown and/or markham. TTYL, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:07:15 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 19 Sep 2005 14:07:15 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> Message-ID: Christopher Browne writes: > What is an interesting question here is whether they are: > a) Looking for "Unix" developers, and writing 'Linux', or > b) Looking for 20 experienced Linux kernel developers. > > There is an argument to be made that Toronto is something of a "dead > zone" as far as Linux is concerned because there aren't many Linux > developers here. Irrespective of whether the 20 positions above are > kernel jobs, there are *WAY* more kernel people in Ottawa than in > Toronto, despite the 3:1 population difference. > > It's kind of disappointing... Once you take out the people that work(ed) for Corel->HCC->Rebel.com->Xandros how's the ratio look :) You also forgot to mention that their lug is bigger than our lug. Just kidding around. You're right, it's disappointing. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:19:45 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:19:45 -0400 Subject: (resent) Ballmer vows to kill Linux giant Google In-Reply-To: <432ED549.3040608-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050916182607.GB7589@waltdnes.org> <20050916184948.GR28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <99a6c38f0509161455402e28fc@mail.gmail.com> <20050919134911.GS28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <432ED549.3040608@interlog.com> Message-ID: <20050919181945.GU28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 11:12:09AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >And the Win XP MCE sure hasn't been very successful yet. > > Not too surprising since, AFAIK, it is only available to OEMs (ie. only > with a new machine). Doesn't mean you can't go buy it at a local computer store. Getting hardware that supports it is still tricky I guess. Only $150 for the MCE OEM + $45 for the MS remote control. Add a supported tuner and away you go. Assuming you wouldn't rather have MythTV with a PVR250/350 card. And you would think with the sales of Dell and HP there should be plenty of the stupid things around. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From agtnews-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:39:31 2005 From: agtnews-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:39:31 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:47:13PM -0700, Scott Ripley wrote: > > hi all, > > (forgive me if this has already been discussed... :-) > > i just "upgraded" (at the request of rogers) my modem from their > Terayon modem to their Motorola SURFboard modem... > > (along with my new IP address), it would appear that port 25 is blocked > on outgoing SMTP connections, you need to authenticate against their > SMTP server... of course it's simple enough: > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/rogers/mail/pop/pop-28.html > > just annoying... (i was authenticating against my own server, etc.) > > anyone else run into this as well? any other surprises wrapped up in > this modem upgrade present? I went thru this modem upgrade (change/fix/...) about two years ago when I was still with Rogers. I was having a lot of dropping of sync, etc. Was totally transparent once I went thru their setup dialog with the tech to get their system to recognize the new modem (serial number, etc.). Don't remember if the IP addr changed. Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:52:01 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:52:01 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> Message-ID: <20050919185201.GA2349@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 02:07:15PM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Christopher Browne writes: > > It's kind of disappointing... > > Once you take out the people that work(ed) for Corel->HCC->Rebel.com->Xandros > how's the ratio look :) > > You also forgot to mention that their lug is bigger than our lug. > > Just kidding around. You're right, it's disappointing. Probably, because too many splintering, caused by too many pissing contests. Matt, is Starnix interested in working with GTALUG in going after contracts? Every body have their own boats, but rising tide will lift everyone. GTALUG is about Linux advocacy and education, and should work to make sure that tide comes sooner and with more force. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 18:52:42 2005 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:52:42 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <20050919183931.GA2530-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <20050919185238.A0B021215C1@acheron.ss.org> Just to clarify... Port 25 is only blocked on residential lines - not on their business accounts... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Allen Taylor Sent: 19-Sep-05 2:40 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:47:13PM -0700, Scott Ripley wrote: > > hi all, > > (forgive me if this has already been discussed... :-) > > i just "upgraded" (at the request of rogers) my modem from their > Terayon modem to their Motorola SURFboard modem... > > (along with my new IP address), it would appear that port 25 is blocked > on outgoing SMTP connections, you need to authenticate against their > SMTP server... of course it's simple enough: > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/rogers/mail/pop/pop-28.html > > just annoying... (i was authenticating against my own server, etc.) > > anyone else run into this as well? any other surprises wrapped up in > this modem upgrade present? I went thru this modem upgrade (change/fix/...) about two years ago when I was still with Rogers. I was having a lot of dropping of sync, etc. Was totally transparent once I went thru their setup dialog with the tech to get their system to recognize the new modem (serial number, etc.). Don't remember if the IP addr changed. Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 19:22:09 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 19 Sep 2005 15:22:09 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. In-Reply-To: <20050919185201.GA2349-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> <20050919185201.GA2349@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > > You also forgot to mention that their lug is bigger than our lug. > > Probably, because too many splintering, caused by too many pissing > contests. Nah, they have just as much infighting as TLUG. Take a look at the directors list over the last few years. Not much continuity there (not that that's a bad thing necessarily ;): http://www.oclug.on.ca/bod.php > Matt, is Starnix interested in working with GTALUG in going after > contracts? Every body have their own boats, but rising tide will lift > everyone. GTALUG is about Linux advocacy and education, and should work > to make sure that tide comes sooner and with more force. Sure. We're always interested in going after work. I would have come to the last gtalug-exec (or whatever it's called) meeting but I've been away for the last 3 weeks. Who should I (and others) be speaking with, though? Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 19:59:25 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:59:25 -0400 Subject: Linux programming (and other) jobs in Ottawa. In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050919092052.034084c0@mail.the-wire.com> <20050919185201.GA2349@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050919195925.GA2562@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 03:22:09PM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > William Park writes: > > Matt, is Starnix interested in working with GTALUG in going after > > contracts? Every body have their own boats, but rising tide will > > lift everyone. GTALUG is about Linux advocacy and education, and > > should work to make sure that tide comes sooner and with more force. > > Sure. We're always interested in going after work. I would have come > to the last gtalug-exec (or whatever it's called) meeting but I've > been away for the last 3 weeks. > > Who should I (and others) be speaking with, though? The board. They are GordonC, DrewS, SenecaC, ChrisB, WilliamP (me). I'm trying to drum up support and interest for GTALUG going after Municipal/Provincial government. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 20:06:17 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:06:17 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <20050919183931.GA2530-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <432F1A39.9050807@rogers.com> Allen Taylor wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:47:13PM -0700, Scott Ripley wrote: >>hi all, >> >>(forgive me if this has already been discussed... :-) >> >>i just "upgraded" (at the request of rogers) my modem from their >>Terayon modem to their Motorola SURFboard modem... >> >>(along with my new IP address), it would appear that port 25 is blocked >>on outgoing SMTP connections, you need to authenticate against their >>SMTP server... of course it's simple enough: >>http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/rogers/mail/pop/pop-28.html >> >>just annoying... (i was authenticating against my own server, etc.) >> >>anyone else run into this as well? any other surprises wrapped up in >>this modem upgrade present? > > I went thru this modem upgrade (change/fix/...) about two years ago when > I was still with Rogers. I was having a lot of dropping of sync, etc. > Was totally transparent once I went thru their setup dialog with the > tech to get their system to recognize the new modem (serial number, > etc.). Don't remember if the IP addr changed. I got a new IP address too. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 20:26:33 2005 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:26:33 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <20050919183931.GA2530-70WplSiaoiAG/9ncUZ6upg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> Message-ID: <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> Allen Taylor wrote: >Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. > > > Does anyone understand the rational for blocking port 25? Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 20:52:24 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400 Subject: [tpm] Odd problem making a system call under cron in a script In-Reply-To: <432F1F1D.9080400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432ED0F3.2030505@alteeve.com> <432F1F1D.9080400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On 9/19/05, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Alex Beamish wrote: > > This one has bitten me in the past -- you may have to set PERLLIB > > explicitly in your crontab.dat file. Try this -- set up a one time cron > > job that just echoes the environment , and compare that with the > > environment at your command line. That should point you in the right > > direction. > > > > Alex > > I don't seem to even have that file. OK, wrong version of Linux/Unix or my bad memory .. just edit whichever crontab you're running this stuff on; you can add stuff like PERLLIB=/path/to/your/lib:$PERLLIB so that when you want to use your own libraries, they're in the path. Alternatively, you can just put a use lib '/path/to/your/lib'; in your script or module. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 20:55:40 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:55:40 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <432F1EF9.3060108-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432F25CC.6070805@rogers.com> Stephen wrote: > Allen Taylor wrote: > >> Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. >> >> > Does anyone understand the rational for blocking port 25? To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 21:11:09 2005 From: sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Ripley) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:11:09 -0700 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <432F25CC.6070805-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> <432F25CC.6070805@rogers.com> Message-ID: hey all, > To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. i can understand blocking inbound connections on port 25: - block open relays (as you mention) - theoretically people shouldn't be running mail "servers" - etc. but blocking outbound connections on port 25? i think this essentially "forces" your average user to use Rogers SMTP server for sending e-mail... (yes... i know you could access an SMTP server configured to accept connections on another port, etc.) now why would an ISP want to force most (average) users to use their (and only their) SMTP server for sending e-mail? ;-) Scott -----Original Message----- From: James Knott To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:55:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 Stephen wrote: > Allen Taylor wrote: > >> Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. >> >> > Does anyone understand the rational for blocking port 25? To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 21:19:26 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:19:26 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> <432F25CC.6070805@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432F2B5E.2040308@rogers.com> Scott Ripley wrote: > > hey all, > >> To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. > > i can understand blocking inbound connections on port 25: > - block open relays (as you mention) > - theoretically people shouldn't be running mail "servers" > - etc. > > but blocking outbound connections on port 25? > > i think this essentially "forces" your average user to use Rogers SMTP > server for sending e-mail... (yes... i know you could access an SMTP > server configured to accept connections on another port, etc.) > > now why would an ISP want to force most (average) users to use their > (and only their) SMTP server for sending e-mail? ;-) One bit of information Rogers provides, is how to use other ports, to get into the Rogers SMTP server from elsewhere. Presumably the same can apply to other ISPs, from Rogers. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 19 22:45:36 2005 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:45:36 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050919224531.EF0AC121339@acheron.ss.org> The main reason ISPs block outbound TCP/UDP 25 is that many Windows trojans come with a complete SMTP engine that can be used for sending spam, propagating the trojan and/or DOS attacks. If the outbound port is blocked, then this lessens the exposure... I refuse to use Roger's mail servers since they are not located in Canada. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Scott Ripley Sent: 19-Sep-05 5:11 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 hey all, > To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. i can understand blocking inbound connections on port 25: - block open relays (as you mention) - theoretically people shouldn't be running mail "servers" - etc. but blocking outbound connections on port 25? i think this essentially "forces" your average user to use Rogers SMTP server for sending e-mail... (yes... i know you could access an SMTP server configured to accept connections on another port, etc.) now why would an ISP want to force most (average) users to use their (and only their) SMTP server for sending e-mail? ;-) Scott -----Original Message----- From: James Knott To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:55:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 Stephen wrote: > Allen Taylor wrote: > >> Pretty well everybody is blocking port 25 now. >> >> > Does anyone understand the rational for blocking port 25? To block open relays, which can be used for spamming. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 00:15:54 2005 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:15:54 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <20050919224531.EF0AC121339-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919224531.EF0AC121339@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: <432F54BA.5000202@rogers.com> Jon Thiele wrote: >The main reason ISPs block outbound TCP/UDP 25 is that many Windows trojans >come with a complete SMTP engine that can be used for sending spam, >propagating the trojan and/or DOS attacks. If the outbound port is blocked, >then this lessens the exposure... > > > Does the smtp server forward mail via port 25? If I activate my Linux server's smtp server, and point my email clients to it, the email clients will use port 25. When my smtp server goes to deliver the email to the recipient's domain's email server, what port does it use? Does it talk to an smtp server, or the pop3 server? >I refuse to use Roger's mail servers since they are not located in Canada. > > > Hmmm... the internet is kinda global. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 00:29:28 2005 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:29:28 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <432F54BA.5000202-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <432F54BA.5000202@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050920002924.9835312133C@acheron.ss.org> While "internet is kinda global", privacy laws are not... Also, Rogers (or actually Yahoo!), places my Roger's email address in the header of every message no matter what my "From: " field says... That's why I'm more than happy to pay the extra charge to run a Linux email server on my Roger's business account... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: 19-Sep-05 8:16 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 Jon Thiele wrote: >The main reason ISPs block outbound TCP/UDP 25 is that many Windows trojans >come with a complete SMTP engine that can be used for sending spam, >propagating the trojan and/or DOS attacks. If the outbound port is blocked, >then this lessens the exposure... > > > Does the smtp server forward mail via port 25? If I activate my Linux server's smtp server, and point my email clients to it, the email clients will use port 25. When my smtp server goes to deliver the email to the recipient's domain's email server, what port does it use? Does it talk to an smtp server, or the pop3 server? >I refuse to use Roger's mail servers since they are not located in Canada. > > > Hmmm... the internet is kinda global. Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 00:33:56 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness Message-ID: <1127176436.7597.8.camel@gandalf> Hi I have a little problem with a small program I have written. I thought I had understood argc/argv under GNU C, but I guess this problem has me stumped. I am writing a tiny program which takes an integer as argument, and outputs its ASCII equivalent. Quite simple. Not more than 20 lines of code. Here is the code: ---8<---snip----8<---------------- #include #include int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { /* this only takes a number as an argument */ int num = 0; int count = argc; for (; (count > 0); count--) { num = strtol(argv[count]); printf ("%d\t", count); printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); } return 0; } ---8<---snip----8<---------------- The command line is this: ascii 97 98 99 100 101 And the output is this: 6 0 '' 5 101 'e' 4 0 '' 3 99 'c' 2 0 '' 1 97 'a' So you see my problem. 98 and 100 were apparently ignored, and then to top it off, there is this "mystery parameter" #6 which shouldn't be there at all. Why is every second parameter ignored, and why is the 6th parameter there at all (I understand parameter 1 to be the program name)? Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 01:37:16 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:37:16 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness In-Reply-To: <1127176436.7597.8.camel@gandalf> References: <1127176436.7597.8.camel@gandalf> Message-ID: <432F67CC.7080405@utoronto.ca> A few things: First, count should be initialized to argc-1 as argv is 0 indexed like all other C arrays. Also, I suspect that strtol is running into a space somewhere and getting confused. To confirm this, print out the arguments as you parse them (i.e., do a printf("%s-\n",argv[count])) The dash at the end of the line is to see if there are trailing whitespaces. It also seems like there may be some oddness in whatever you're using to call the program as most shells will eliminate those extra spaces. Regards, Paul King wrote: >Hi > >I have a little problem with a small program I have written. > >I thought I had understood argc/argv under GNU C, but I guess this >problem has me stumped. > >I am writing a tiny program which takes an integer as argument, >and outputs its ASCII equivalent. Quite simple. Not more than 20 lines >of code. Here is the code: > >---8<---snip----8<---------------- > >#include >#include > >int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { > /* this only takes a number as an argument */ > int num = 0; > int count = argc; > for (; (count > 0); count--) { > num = strtol(argv[count]); > printf ("%d\t", count); > printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); > } > return 0; >} > >---8<---snip----8<---------------- > >The command line is this: > >ascii 97 98 99 100 101 > >And the output is this: > >6 0 '' >5 101 'e' >4 0 '' >3 99 'c' >2 0 '' >1 97 'a' > >So you see my problem. 98 and 100 were apparently ignored, and then >to top it off, there is this "mystery parameter" #6 which shouldn't >be there at all. Why is every second parameter ignored, and why is the >6th parameter there at all (I understand parameter 1 to be the >program name)? > >Paul King > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 01:51:05 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:51:05 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> <432F25CC.6070805@rogers.com> Message-ID: <432F6B09.2060700@telly.org> Scott Ripley wrote: > but blocking outbound connections on port 25? > > i think this essentially "forces" your average user to use Rogers SMTP > server for sending e-mail... (yes... i know you could access an SMTP > server configured to accept connections on another port, etc.) Well, if you know that then you know that Rogers isn't forcing you to use their servers. Blocked means "blocked everywhere", you can't even connect to Rogers' own servers on port 25, they give you a different port to use. - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stevenwoon-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 02:46:35 2005 From: stevenwoon-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Steven Woon) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:46:35 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness In-Reply-To: <432F67CC.7080405-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1127176436.7597.8.camel@gandalf> <432F67CC.7080405@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1127184395.4421.2.camel@sw_laptop1.semfosys.com> Try this: ----- #include //#include #include int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { /* this only takes a number as an argument */ int num = 0; int count = argc - 1; for (; (count > 0); count--) { num = strtol(argv[count],0,10); // Need extra parameters here printf ("%d\t", count); printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); } return 0; } ----- Best regards, Steven On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 21:37 -0400, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > A few things: > > First, count should be initialized to argc-1 as argv is 0 indexed like > all other C arrays. > > Also, I suspect that strtol is running into a space somewhere and > getting confused. To confirm this, print out the arguments as you parse > them (i.e., do a printf("%s-\n",argv[count])) The dash at the end of > the line is to see if there are trailing whitespaces. It also seems > like there may be some oddness in whatever you're using to call the > program as most shells will eliminate those extra spaces. > > Regards, > > Paul King wrote: > > >Hi > > > >I have a little problem with a small program I have written. > > > >I thought I had understood argc/argv under GNU C, but I guess this > >problem has me stumped. > > > >I am writing a tiny program which takes an integer as argument, > >and outputs its ASCII equivalent. Quite simple. Not more than 20 lines > >of code. Here is the code: > > > >---8<---snip----8<---------------- > > > >#include > >#include > > > >int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { > > /* this only takes a number as an argument */ > > int num = 0; > > int count = argc; > > for (; (count > 0); count--) { > > num = strtol(argv[count]); > > printf ("%d\t", count); > > printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); > > } > > return 0; > >} > > > >---8<---snip----8<---------------- > > > >The command line is this: > > > >ascii 97 98 99 100 101 > > > >And the output is this: > > > >6 0 '' > >5 101 'e' > >4 0 '' > >3 99 'c' > >2 0 '' > >1 97 'a' > > > >So you see my problem. 98 and 100 were apparently ignored, and then > >to top it off, there is this "mystery parameter" #6 which shouldn't > >be there at all. Why is every second parameter ignored, and why is the > >6th parameter there at all (I understand parameter 1 to be the > >program name)? > > > >Paul King > > > > > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 02:55:41 2005 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:55:41 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <432F6B09.2060700-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050919183931.GA2530@thecat.localnet> <432F1EF9.3060108@rogers.com> <432F25CC.6070805@rogers.com> <432F6B09.2060700@telly.org> Message-ID: <20050920025541.GA29787@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 09:51:05PM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Well, if you know that then you know that Rogers isn't forcing you to > use their servers. Blocked means "blocked everywhere", you can't even > connect to Rogers' own servers on port 25, they give you a different > port to use. You can use another port but you don't have to. rick at biff:~[13]% telnet smtp-rog.mail.yahoo.com 25 Trying 206.190.36.18... Connected to smtp-rog.mail.yahoo2.akadns.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com ESMTP EHLO 250-smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XYMCOOKIE 250-PIPELINING 250 8BITMIME ^] telnet> Trying this with any non-Rogers mailserver will timeout. -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 02:59:58 2005 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:59:58 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness In-Reply-To: <1127184395.4421.2.camel@sw_laptop1.semfosys.com> References: <1127176436.7597.8.camel@gandalf> <432F67CC.7080405@utoronto.ca> <1127184395.4421.2.camel@sw_laptop1.semfosys.com> Message-ID: <20050920025958.GB29787@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:46:35PM -0400, Steven Woon wrote: > Try this: > > num = strtol(argv[count],0,10); // Need extra parameters here Or num = atol(argv[count]); -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 03:05:27 2005 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness Message-ID: <200509200305.j8K35Rlw026395@localhost.generalconcepts.com> | I thought I had understood argc/argv under GNU C, but I guess this | problem has me stumped. One thing that's usually a very useful argument on the gcc command line is -Wall. (Put it in your Makefiles.) On my system, % gcc -Wall a.c a.c: In function `main': a.c:9: warning: implicit declaration of function `strtol' which would lead you to the strtol man page, and the need to #include which would then tell you % gcc -Wall a.c a.c: In function `main': a.c:10: too few arguments to function `strtol' which likely would have found the bulk of your problem. Cheers John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 03:26:41 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:26:41 -0400 Subject: suggestions: CMS & blog & gallery engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509192326.42910.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 19, 2005 13:47, Chris Friedt wrote: > Good call ;-) > > I just set up word press too, it's working pretty well. It would be > kindof interesting to see how well it integrates with other CMS as > well. > > > I've also seen something called 'nucleus' which looks pretty well > designed too. I have a non-current version of Nucleus installed and used it for a while. Pro: dead easy to install. Con: no way to prevent blog spam. It made the blog all but useless because I was spending more time deleting blog spam than actually blogging so I stopped doing both. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 04:06:07 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:06:07 -0400 Subject: .gtkrc file examples/tutorials anywhere? In-Reply-To: <432ED1B7.2080704-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050917225634.GA16453@waltdnes.org> <432CC8DD.6080507@utoronto.ca> <20050919015657.GA3117@waltdnes.org> <432ED1B7.2080704@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050920040607.GB5570@waltdnes.org> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 10:56:55AM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote > Walter Dnes wrote: > > Meanwhile, I get... > > > >screen #0: > > dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (330x248 millimeters) > > resolution: 123x123 dots per inch > > 1600x1200 on a 17"? My eyes hurt just thinking about it. If you look at my message of the 17th, you'll see... -> DisplaySize 328 246 -> -> Which is a bit of a lie. I have a 19" (diaganal) CRT monitor. I thought that the fonts were too small on a 19" monitor. I told X that I have a smaller monitor than I really do. X compensated for the "small monitor" by increasing the font size to something that it thinks looks half decent on a 17" CRT. On a 19" CRT it's actually OK. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 04:45:00 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:45:00 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: <9089AD04-2910-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <432EB3C1.2010003@mineallmeyn.com> <9089AD04-2910-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05091921452e7fb457@mail.gmail.com> > >> Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! > >> http://www.talklikeapirateday.com > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day > > > > ARRRGGGGHH! His 'oliness Cap'n Spaghetti Mon-Stir will be rightly > > pleased by this, I wager. Lol. Maybe he'll like this too then. Posted up Rob's links on the AVP bbs, and got a wonderful reply a few minutes ago and just thought I'd pass the thanks along... [ - quote begins - ("33t" is short for my nick "dl33t" )] I have to thank you 33t..... because of you, I announced at the morning meeting that it was "Talk like a Pirate day". And so it began.... The managers all went to their puter's like I told them to do, and learned how to talk like a Pirate. We were swabbing the deck and walking the plank all day......lmao Carmel was more interested in learning how to swear in "Pirate" since it was an official day, she figured it would be allowed. Some of the guys blacked out a lens on their safety glasses...... I blacked out a tooth. Cardboard swords were popping out of everywhere. It was definately the funnest Monday I've ever had at work! [ - quote ends - ] > In case it's of interest, Tom Smith, who I had the pleasure of hearing > a few times in the spring, wrote a song for the day. The site doesn't seem to be there. :( -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 05:10:11 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:10:11 -0400 Subject: rogers modem upgrade / port 25 In-Reply-To: <20050920002924.9835312133C-mb4phVZFrfSXFJAUJl40Xg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050920002924.9835312133C@acheron.ss.org> Message-ID: <200509200110.11807.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 19, 2005 20:29, Jon Thiele wrote: > While "internet is kinda global", privacy laws are not... > > Also, Rogers (or actually Yahoo!), places my Roger's email address > in the header of every message no matter what my "From: " field > says... > > That's why I'm more than happy to pay the extra charge to run a > Linux email server on my Roger's business account... ... which is for nought because some (many?) mail administrators are dropping or otherwise tagging mail originating from Rogers' "dial-up" IP block as spam. Yes, the business IPs fall under that category too. The worst part of it is that you pay twice as much for the privilege of having your mail ignominiously branded as SPAM and essentially thrown away in the spam bucket. You don't even get a bounce so you have no way of knowing this happened unless someone who was expecting your mail tells you that they did not receive it. Not many people troll through their spam box, if they know that it even exists. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 12:45:51 2005 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:45:51 -0400 Subject: [T] Talk like a pirate In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05091921452e7fb457-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <432EB3C1.2010003@mineallmeyn.com> <9089AD04-2910-11DA-AAEC-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <99a6c38f05091921452e7fb457@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4330047F.20407@mineallmeyn.com> psema4 wrote: >>>>Remember everyone - Monday is International Talk Like a Pirate Day! >>>>http://www.talklikeapirateday.com >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_A_Pirate_Day >>> >>>ARRRGGGGHH! His 'oliness Cap'n Spaghetti Mon-Stir will be rightly >>>pleased by this, I wager. > > > Lol. Maybe he'll like this too then. > ... > It was definately the funnest Monday I've ever had at work! > [ - quote ends - ] I reckon your office has done it's part to reduce global warming by this singular act of pirating! Perhaps you can trade it for emissions credits? Cheers, Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 15:25:02 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:25:02 -0400 Subject: Cannot find Stolen SCO Code in Linux Message-ID: <433029CE.90000@rogers.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 19:48:38 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:48:38 -0400 Subject: repercussions of deleting yum cache Message-ID: <200509201548.38514.sniffy@rogers.com> Hi All: I've been running low on hard drive space for a while and I just noticed that my yum cache directory is over 2 gigs in size. What would be the repercussions of me either deleting those files or at the very least trimming them down? thanks -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 16:40:06 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:40:06 +0000 Subject: repercussions of deleting yum cache In-Reply-To: <200509201548.38514.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201548.38514.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200509201640.06546.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On September 20, 2005 07:48 pm, Chris Gow wrote: > Hi All: > > I've been running low on hard drive space for a while and I just noticed > that my yum cache directory is over 2 gigs in size. What would be the > repercussions of me either deleting those files or at the very least > trimming them down? > I seem to recall #yum clean will clean out old packages http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/yum8.html -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 17:03:59 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:03:59 +0000 Subject: Duplicate file finding script Message-ID: <200509201703.59834.jason@detachednetworks.ca> For those of you whose hard drives are cluttering up with possibly duplicate files, try this little script out. It will recursively MD5sum all files in a directory and output to a file called rem-duplicates.sh. Open this file in an editor, and un-comment the file(s) you would like to be removed. After this run the script and all un-commented files will be removed. Step-by-step: #nano duplicate_finder.sh paste in script below ##beginning of script## OUTF=rem-duplicates.sh; echo "#! /bin/sh" > $OUTF; find "$@" -type f -follow -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 md5sum | sort --key=1,32 | uniq -w 32 -d --all-repeated=separate | sed -r 's/^[0-9a-f]*( )*//;s/([^a-zA-Z0-9./_-])/\\\1/g;s/(.+)/#rm \1/' >> $OUTF; chmod a+x $OUTF; ls -l $OUTF ##end of script## go into the directory you would like to search. Then run the script. #sh duplicate_finder.sh this could take a while, depending on the size of the directory.... now open the file it has created and see what it found. #nano rem-duplicates.sh un-comment unwanted files. Then run the resulting script. **WARNING** THESE FILES WILL BE DELETED PERMANENTLY! #sh rem-duplicates.sh -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 21:27:46 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:27:46 -0400 Subject: Duplicate file finding script In-Reply-To: <200509201703.59834.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201703.59834.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050920212746.GV28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 05:03:59PM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > For those of you whose hard drives are cluttering up with possibly duplicate > files, try this little script out. Or you could use this nice program: lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ apt-cache show fdupes Package: fdupes Priority: optional Section: utils Installed-Size: 80 Maintainer: Adrian Bridgett Architecture: i386 Version: 1.40-4 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4) Filename: pool/main/f/fdupes/fdupes_1.40-4_i386.deb Size: 14066 MD5sum: 8e527f7436a6394702d24bb6fd7fabca Description: Identifies duplicate files within given directories FDupes uses md5sums and then a byte by byte comparison to find duplicate files within a set of directories. It has several useful options including recursion. Probably a bit faster than perl being a c program. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 17:38:55 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:38:55 +0000 Subject: Duplicate file finding script In-Reply-To: <20050920212746.GV28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201703.59834.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20050920212746.GV28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200509201738.55865.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On September 20, 2005 09:27 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 05:03:59PM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > > For those of you whose hard drives are cluttering up with possibly > > duplicate files, try this little script out. > > Or you could use this nice program: > > lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ apt-cache show fdupes > Package: fdupes > Priority: optional > Section: utils > Installed-Size: 80 > Maintainer: Adrian Bridgett > Architecture: i386 > Version: 1.40-4 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4) > Filename: pool/main/f/fdupes/fdupes_1.40-4_i386.deb > Size: 14066 > MD5sum: 8e527f7436a6394702d24bb6fd7fabca > Description: Identifies duplicate files within given directories > FDupes uses md5sums and then a byte by byte comparison to find duplicate > files within a set of directories. It has several useful options > including recursion. > > Probably a bit faster than perl being a c program. > > Lennart Sorensen I tried that when I was sorting my music collection, but I seem to recall that it did not function as I required. I think that fdupes outputs as it goes (or blindly deletes on of the duplicates) and requires constant interaction. When dealing with thousands of files looking into the script afterwards proved to be more feasible. That's one of the nice things about Linux. Many different paths will lead to the same outcome. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 22:07:03 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:07:03 -0400 Subject: Duplicate file finding script In-Reply-To: <200509201703.59834.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201703.59834.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: On 9/20/05, Jason Shein wrote: > For those of you whose hard drives are cluttering up with possibly duplicate > files, try this little script out. > > It will recursively MD5sum all files in a directory and output to a file > called rem-duplicates.sh. Open this file in an editor, and un-comment the > file(s) you would like to be removed. After this run the script and all > un-commented files will be removed. An alternative thing to do would be to create hard links (assuming the files are on the same filesystem). That would mean that the files would be treated as though they were simultaneously in each of the locations where they are accessible. This would allow you, for instance, to have an email message that resides in multiple folders simultaneously, and wouldn't take up any extra disk space (save for the directory entries, of course!). -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 22:08:36 2005 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:08:36 -0400 Subject: repercussions of deleting yum cache In-Reply-To: <200509201640.06546.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201548.38514.sniffy@rogers.com> <200509201640.06546.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050920220836.GB26470@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 04:40:06PM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: >On September 20, 2005 07:48 pm, Chris Gow wrote: >> I've been running low on hard drive space for a while and I just noticed >> that my yum cache directory is over 2 gigs in size. What would be the >> repercussions of me either deleting those files or at the very least >> trimming them down? >I seem to recall >#yum clean >will clean out old packages you'll need yum clean packages on a modern yum version. repercussions are zero. you could also rm -rf /var/cache/yum/* and yum will just re-download all headers it needs and re-munge them into it's format-de-jour ... this might save you another 50M or so (did on my box just now) cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 20 22:28:40 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:28:40 -0400 Subject: repercussions of deleting yum cache In-Reply-To: <200509201640.06546.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200509201548.38514.sniffy@rogers.com> <200509201640.06546.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200509201828.41148.sniffy@rogers.com> On September 20, 2005 12:40 pm, Jason Shein wrote: > On September 20, 2005 07:48 pm, Chris Gow wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > I've been running low on hard drive space for a while and I just noticed > > that my yum cache directory is over 2 gigs in size. What would be the > > repercussions of me either deleting those files or at the very least > > trimming them down? > > I seem to recall > > #yum clean > > will clean out old packages > > http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/yum8.html Thanks! I knew I should've done a man before asking an obvious question. -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 00:35:32 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:35:32 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV strangeness In-Reply-To: <200509200305.j8K35Rlw026395-bi+AKbBUZKYsbE7Vo+MiNSGuMlDgniV8mpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org> References: <200509200305.j8K35Rlw026395@localhost.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <43307294.29786.4A9C722@localhost> Thanks a lot for all your help. I had since hacked my way into my own solution, and it seems to use a little bit of everyone's suggestions. For example, I got rid of strtol() and used atoi() instead. atoi() is part of ANSI, whereas strtol() is not as I understand it. Paul King > | I thought I had understood argc/argv under GNU C, but I guess this | > problem has me stumped. > > One thing that's usually a very useful argument on the gcc command > line is -Wall. (Put it in your Makefiles.) > > On my system, > % gcc -Wall a.c > a.c: In function `main': > a.c:9: warning: implicit declaration of function `strtol' > which would lead you to the strtol man page, and the need to > #include > which would then tell you > % gcc -Wall a.c > a.c: In function `main': > a.c:10: too few arguments to function `strtol' > which likely would have found the bulk of your problem. > > Cheers > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > __________ NOD32 1.1226 (20050920) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 01:49:36 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <432E36BC.3090600-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> <432E30B0.7080409@alteeve.com> <432E36BC.3090600@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4330BC30.9050705@alteeve.com> Here's the output from the make file. http://glankonian.com/~lance/make.out Sorry for the delay, much else going on... Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 02:02:28 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: USB Port Wierdness Message-ID: <50742.207.188.67.74.1127268148.squirrel@207.188.67.74> We have our oscilloscope project working nicely over a USB line, using an FTDI usb-serial adaptor chip in the scope hardware. From our tcl program, we simply open /dev/ttyUSB0 and treat it as a serial port. However, this only works reliably when operating as root. When operating as a normal user, ever time we plug and unplug the the USB cable, the permissions on /dev/ttyUSB0 revert back to root-only use. Furthermore, whether /dev/ttyUSB0 is even present varies: sometimes other ports are present, but not that one. We tried 'mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 o' but this wierd behaviour doesn't change. It looks as if the files in /etc/udev might have something to do with how dynamic ports get assigned, but I'm not enough of an expert to tell. Has anyone else dealt with this? It would probably be a problem with any serial to usb converter cable.. BTW, all this is taking place using Suse 9.1 on an IBM laptop. Thanks - Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 02:36:01 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:36:01 -0400 Subject: Anyone working for Novell? Message-ID: <20050921023601.GA2208@node1.opengeometry.net> Hi folks, Anyone working for Novell, here? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 02:55:00 2005 From: dchipman-rYHPKw+MWrk at public.gmane.org (David C. Chipman) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: PCB Help...Again In-Reply-To: <4330BC30.9050705-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <432B8C13.3000403@alteeve.com> <432CC830.1020900@alteeve.com> <1127022461.6450.2.camel@david> <432E30B0.7080409@alteeve.com> <432E36BC.3090600@alteeve.com> <4330BC30.9050705@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1127271300.7400.10.camel@david.chipman> Hi Lance, It's good to hear from you again. However, what we need is the output from standard-error, not standard-output. The command you want is as follows: make 2> make.err Then upload the make.err file to your web-server instead. Have you contacted the maintainers of of PCB yet? Best of luck getting this stuff to work, -David Chipman On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 21:49 -0400, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Here's the output from the make file. > > http://glankonian.com/~lance/make.out > > Sorry for the delay, much else going on... > > Lance F. Squire > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 03:45:50 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:45:50 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working Message-ID: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> Below is the code that finally works. I have by now heavily modified this program to, first of all, go forward in the list rather than backward; as well as to accept a range of numbers rather than a list. So, I christen this first effort "backascii.c" :-) The new, properly-working program is completed and is the one called "ascii.c". Thanks to all who made suggestions. Biggest thanks goes to Peter Fletcher, who made valuable suggestions, especially regarding debugging. Paul King ----------8<--------snip----------8<--------snip--------------- #include #include int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { /* this only takes a number as an argument */ int num = 0; int count; char p1[5]; for (count = argc - 1; (count > 0); count--) { strcpy(p1, argv[count]); num = atoi(p1); printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); } return 0; } -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 03:59:28 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: USB Port Wierdness In-Reply-To: <50742.207.188.67.74.1127268148.squirrel-rtaPJBCZcNxHsXEo3DaP+Q@public.gmane.org> References: <50742.207.188.67.74.1127268148.squirrel@207.188.67.74> Message-ID: | From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org | We have our oscilloscope project working nicely over a USB line, using an | FTDI usb-serial adaptor chip in the scope hardware. From our tcl program, | we simply open /dev/ttyUSB0 and treat it as a serial port. | | However, this only works reliably when operating as root. I think that details might differ with each distro. read the udev(8) man page. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 04:03:49 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:03:49 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> References: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> Message-ID: <20050921040349.GA2540@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:45:50PM -0400, pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Below is the code that finally works. I have by now heavily modified > this program to, first of all, go forward in the list rather than > backward; as well as to accept a range of numbers rather than a list. > So, I christen this first effort "backascii.c" :-) > > The new, properly-working program is completed and is the one called > "ascii.c". Thanks to all who made suggestions. Biggest thanks goes to > Peter Fletcher, who made valuable suggestions, especially regarding > debugging. > > Paul King > > ----------8<--------snip----------8<--------snip--------------- > > #include > #include > > int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { > /* this only takes a number as an argument */ > int num = 0; > int count; > char p1[5]; > for (count = argc - 1; (count > 0); count--) { > strcpy(p1, argv[count]); Bad habit. What happens if your argument is longer than 4 chars? Try using strncpy(3). > num = atoi(p1); > printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); > } > return 0; > } Of course, in shell script, it becomes ascii() { for i; do echo "$i `tostring $i`" done } -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 04:20:03 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: <20050921040349.GA2540-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> <20050921040349.GA2540@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, William Park wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:45:50PM -0400, pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: >> Below is the code that finally works. I have by now heavily modified >> this program to, first of all, go forward in the list rather than >> backward; as well as to accept a range of numbers rather than a list. >> So, I christen this first effort "backascii.c" :-) >> >> The new, properly-working program is completed and is the one called >> "ascii.c". Thanks to all who made suggestions. Biggest thanks goes to >> Peter Fletcher, who made valuable suggestions, especially regarding >> debugging. >> >> Paul King >> >> ----------8<--------snip----------8<--------snip--------------- >> >> #include >> #include >> >> int main (int argc, char *argv[]) { >> /* this only takes a number as an argument */ >> int num = 0; >> int count; >> char p1[5]; >> for (count = argc - 1; (count > 0); count--) { >> strcpy(p1, argv[count]); > > Bad habit. What happens if your argument is longer than 4 chars? Try > using strncpy(3). But why copy it at all? num = atoi(argv[count]); >> num = atoi(p1); >> printf ("%d\t'%c'\n", num, num); >> } >> return 0; >> } > > Of course, in shell script, it becomes > ascii() > { > for i; do > echo "$i `tostring $i`" "tostring"? Is that part of your bash extension, William? > done > } In awk, it's: awk 'BEGIN { sq = "\047" } { for (i = 1; i <= NF; ++i ) printf "%d\t%s%c%s\n", $i, sq, $i,sq }' -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================== Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach, 2005, Apress -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 05:18:24 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:18:24 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: References: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> <20050921040349.GA2540@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050921051824.GA2700@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:20:03AM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > >> strcpy(p1, argv[count]); > > > >Bad habit. What happens if your argument is longer than 4 chars? Try > >using strncpy(3). > > But why copy it at all? > > num = atoi(argv[count]); True. > >Of course, in shell script, it becomes > > ascii() > > { > > for i; do > > echo "$i `tostring $i`" > > "tostring"? Is that part of your bash extension, William? Yes. tonumber abc --> 97 98 99 tostring 97 98 99 --> abc Ref: http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html#ctype.h -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 06:17:11 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:17:11 -0400 Subject: Free Opera Download and License In-Reply-To: References: <20050831141519.GA4901@smeagol> <20050831151108.GV28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <99a6c38f050920231769d7cfae@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/05, Jamon Camisso wrote: > A friend pointed out that Opera is giving away licenses to celebrate > their 10th anniversary. I'm not sure when this expires as it is a 24 > hour thing. Check it out here: http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml > > When you enter *any* email address you'll get a list of licenses for all > platforms on which Opera is designed to run. 3 weeks later... Looks like they've decided to make it a little more permanent. No ads or licensing fees. http://www.opera.com/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/20/opera_goes_ad-free/ Finally tried it out, and so far I love it. The only thing I'm not terribly happy about (at this point), is a clause in the license: "You may not use the Software on non-PC products, devices, or embedded in any other product, including, but not limited to, mobile devices, internet appliances, set top boxes (STB), handhelds, PDAs, phones, web pads, tablets, game consoles, TVs, gaming machines, home automation systems, or any other consumer electronics devices or mobile/cable/satellite/television or closed system based service." A little restrictive, but I can see why they might want that - they are a business and some of those could decent sources of revenue. Guess I won't try putting a copy on the xbox then. Ah well, can't win 'em all. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 08:36:09 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:36:09 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: <20050921040349.GA2540-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> Message-ID: <4330E339.18897.1A32014@localhost> > Bad habit. What happens if your argument is longer than 4 chars? Try > using strncpy(3). > I think a later poster suggested to use argc[count] directly and it would be a more "global" fix. The reason for the 5 characters was arbitrary, since I don't feel that there is too much of a chance of my needing to obtain ascii values for numbers greater than 9,999. Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 08:36:08 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:36:08 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: References: <20050921040349.GA2540@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4330E338.27573.1A31F24@localhost> > But why copy it at all? > > num = atoi(argv[count]); > That was my original idea; however, that led to parameters being skipped for whatever reason (using both atoi and strtol). While the code would probably work with the above fix (I have just reedited "backascii.c" and proven that it does), I kept it in that form because it worked, and I wasn't interested in working on it further (remember this wasn't the finished version). PJK -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 12:13:58 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:13:58 +0300 (IDT) Subject: inside opinion Message-ID: "I'm working in both .NET and Java now. What absolutely stuns me is how quickly the Java world can turn around tools and frameworks. I still prefer C#; however I'm working in a Beta of C# 2.0 while Java 5--offering nearly the same feature set--has been out for months. The Java IDE--there's really only one, Eclipse--is a 105MB zip file. You know how I installed it? Unzipped it. How do I run it? Click on Eclipse.exe. You know how I install Studio? Pay $2500 for top version (not out yet btw but will be about that amount or more); Insert DVD; answer inane questions; walk away for 2 hours; return with at least 1.5_G_B less diskspace and a doubled registry size. When I want something new in Eclipse, I wander around a bit on Google and Sourceforge; today I might add code coverage, tomorrow static analysis, throw in some metrics--essentially anything I need. Mostly free. I have yet to exceed 150MB total Eclipse directory size, and I have replicated and exceeded the full feature set of VS.NET 2005--which hasn't fucking shipped yet. Is this because Microsoft developers aren't as good as Java/open source developers? Hell no! (though it soon may be at current attrition rates) It's because middle and senious management make it impossible for smart people to get anything done, and vigorously punish them when they do." from: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2005/09/three-quick-things-jobs-dynamics.html Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 15:27:46 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:27:46 -0400 Subject: inside opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200509211127.46373.sniffy@rogers.com> On September 21, 2005 08:13 am, Peter wrote: > "I'm working in both .NET and Java now. What absolutely stuns me is how > quickly the Java world can turn around tools and frameworks. I still > prefer C#; however I'm working in a Beta of C# 2.0 while Java > 5--offering nearly the same feature set--has been out for months. > > The Java IDE--there's really only one, Eclipse--is a 105MB zip file. You > know how I installed it? Unzipped it. How do I run it? Click on > Eclipse.exe. > > You know how I install Studio? Pay $2500 for top version (not out yet > btw but will be about that amount or more); Insert DVD; answer inane > questions; walk away for 2 hours; return with at least 1.5_G_B less > diskspace and a doubled registry size. > > When I want something new in Eclipse, I wander around a bit on Google > and Sourceforge; today I might add code coverage, tomorrow static > analysis, throw in some metrics--essentially anything I need. Mostly > free. > > I have yet to exceed 150MB total Eclipse directory size, and I have > replicated and exceeded the full feature set of VS.NET 2005--which > hasn't fucking shipped yet. > > Is this because Microsoft developers aren't as good as Java/open source > developers? Hell no! (though it soon may be at current attrition rates) > It's because middle and senious management make it impossible for smart > people to get anything done, and vigorously punish them when they do." > > from: > > http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2005/09/three-quick-things-jobs-dynamics.html Have you tried Mono? Its a free C# implementation which runs on Linux (Windows too, but why would you really want that)?. There's also DotGNU another free version of C# (doesn't get as much publicity as Mono though) If you like eclipse, there's also a C# plugin for it: http://www.mono-project.com/Mono_For_Linux_Developers -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 16:15:01 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:15:01 -0400 Subject: NOVELL: Cool Solutions: Pay No Shipping for SUSE Linux 10 - Limited Time Offer! Message-ID: <43318705.4050108@rogers.com> http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16017.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 17:44:53 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:44:53 -0400 Subject: inside opinion In-Reply-To: <200509211127.46373.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200509211127.46373.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: Many of the Mono developers recompile Eclipse as a .Net executable using IKVM. I personally hate working with VS.Net. It takes about five minutes to start on our school computers. However, it's got one of the best GUI builders I've ever seen. Not the best choice for building a big, serious application, but it's great for throwing together little apps quickly. Definitely less of a headache than writing Swing stuff by hand. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 17:58:31 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:58:31 -0400 Subject: Dying HD and MBR Message-ID: <20050921175831.GA4422@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am looking for advice as to how to move my master boot record. I have two IDE HDs, hda and hdb. Everything is on hdb - hda isn't even mounted. However, the MBR is on hda. hda is showing SMART errors on boot, but I can continue when I hit F1 - and as long as I get a clean read of the MBR once, I'm up and running. The question is, I want to pull hda without leaving myself in an unbootable state. The boot loader is grub. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 18:45:49 2005 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:45:49 -0400 Subject: free Alpha machines Message-ID: <20050921184549.GA28912@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> I hope this is appropriate for this list... We have ~16 DEC Alpha machines that have computed their little hearts out and now need to retire to a good home. They are ev56 21164a AlphaPC(?) 164UX machines at 533MHz but overclocked to 600. 64M of RAM, and most with a 3.2G IDE disk. They have an extra (8139too compatible) NIC and a cheap video card. The speed is probably about the same as an equivalently clocked p2 or p3. They might be good for cross-platform Linux development and/or playing and/or non-x86 cool factor. They'd prob run a BSD or two as well, and even 'doze NT for Alpha if you can find it. Currently they are running RedHat 7.1 (2.4.3 kernel), and booting via ARCS bios and MILO. Most of them run but some do not. We estimate that if you took all of them you'd get at least half of them working. They are free, but you must come and pick them up from UofT. Please email me directly if you are interested. lspci, cpuinfo are attached. cheers, robin -------------- next part -------------- 00:0d.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21052 (rev 02) 00:0e.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 ISA [Natoma/Triton II] (rev 01) 00:0e.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 30) 00:11.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC 215IIC [Mach64 GT IIC] (rev 7a) 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) 01:0d.0 SCSI storage controller: Symbios Logic Inc. (formerly NCR) 53c875 (rev 03) -------------- next part -------------- cpu : Alpha cpu model : EV56 cpu variation : 0 cpu revision : 0 cpu serial number : Linux_is_Great! system type : Ruffian system variation : 0 system revision : 0 system serial number : MILO-2.2-17 cycle frequency [Hz] : 600000000 timer frequency [Hz] : 1024.00 page size [bytes] : 8192 phys. address bits : 40 max. addr. space # : 127 BogoMIPS : 1187.96 kernel unaligned acc : 0 (pc=0,va=0) user unaligned acc : 0 (pc=0,va=0) platform string : N/A cpus detected : 0 From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 18:52:14 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:52:14 -0400 Subject: Dying HD and MBR In-Reply-To: <20050921175831.GA4422-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921175831.GA4422@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050921185214.GA2576@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 01:58:31PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote: > I am looking for advice as to how to move my master boot record. I have > two IDE HDs, hda and hdb. Everything is on hdb - hda isn't even > mounted. However, the MBR is on hda. hda is showing SMART errors on > boot, but I can continue when I hit F1 - and as long as I get a clean > read of the MBR once, I'm up and running. The question is, I want to > pull hda without leaving myself in an unbootable state. The boot loader > is grub. Any suggestions? Thanks. Boot from your Install CD, install grub in /dev/hdb, and include 2nd disk in the boot order. Or, pull /dev/hda, boot from Install CD, move /dev/hdb to /dev/hda, and install grub. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 18:51:03 2005 From: jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James Golick) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:51:03 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery Message-ID: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> In a raging act of stupidity, I deleted a mySQL database from our server and my local machine, all in one fell swoop. i'll cut to the chase. If anyone can get the DB back, I'll give you money. Here's the kicker. Its on a Virtual Private Server, under Xen. Please Help! James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 19:28:12 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:28:12 +0000 Subject: Casio CW-50 ? In-Reply-To: <20050921185214.GA2576-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921175831.GA4422@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050921185214.GA2576@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4331B44C.4050705@cheapersafer.com> I was wondering if anyone on the list had a Casio CW-50 or CW-75 CD printer they wanted to sell? And, if you do, do you know if you run it under linux? Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 19:54:27 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:54:27 -0400 Subject: free Alpha machines In-Reply-To: <20050921184549.GA28912-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921184549.GA28912@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050921195427.GW28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:45:49PM -0400, Robin Humble wrote: > I hope this is appropriate for this list... > > We have ~16 DEC Alpha machines that have computed their little hearts > out and now need to retire to a good home. > > They are ev56 21164a AlphaPC(?) 164UX machines at 533MHz but > overclocked to 600. 64M of RAM, and most with a 3.2G IDE disk. They > have an extra (8139too compatible) NIC and a cheap video card. > The speed is probably about the same as an equivalently clocked p2 or p3. > > They might be good for cross-platform Linux development and/or playing > and/or non-x86 cool factor. They'd prob run a BSD or two as well, and > even 'doze NT for Alpha if you can find it. Currently they are running > RedHat 7.1 (2.4.3 kernel), and booting via ARCS bios and MILO. > > Most of them run but some do not. We estimate that if you took all of > them you'd get at least half of them working. > > They are free, but you must come and pick them up from UofT. > Please email me directly if you are interested. > > lspci, cpuinfo are attached. Darn it for tempting me. I don't have any alphas. I have Sun 3/50 and 3/60s, Decstation 5000s (mips 3000), Amiga 500s (No linux without an MMU on those), an SGI (which can't run linux at this time). But I would have to get downtown, and my wife would complain about yet more computers in the house... :) Hmm, thinking about it at least. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 19:54:57 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:54:57 -0400 Subject: Casio CW-50 ? In-Reply-To: <4331B44C.4050705-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921175831.GA4422@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050921185214.GA2576@node1.opengeometry.net> <4331B44C.4050705@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <20050921195457.GX28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 07:28:12PM +0000, Rob Sutherland wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on the list had a Casio CW-50 or CW-75 CD > printer they wanted to > sell? And, if you do, do you know if you run it under linux? What are those? What do they do? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 19:55:39 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:55:39 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery In-Reply-To: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050921195539.GY28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:51:03PM -0400, James Golick wrote: > In a raging act of stupidity, I deleted a mySQL database > from our server and my local machine, all in one fell swoop. > > i'll cut to the chase. If anyone can get the DB back, I'll > give you money. > > Here's the kicker. > > Its on a Virtual Private Server, under Xen. > > Please Help! Which filesystem? Where is the backup? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 19:58:37 2005 From: jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James Golick) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:58:37 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery In-Reply-To: <20050921195539.GY28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> <20050921195539.GY28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1ab2da8205092112582f34ec3e@mail.gmail.com> both are ext3... i tried dumping the inode from debugfs, but it seems that at least some part of hte data has been overwritten oh well... James On 9/21/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:51:03PM -0400, James Golick wrote: > > In a raging act of stupidity, I deleted a mySQL database > > from our server and my local machine, all in one fell swoop. > > > > i'll cut to the chase. If anyone can get the DB back, I'll > > give you money. > > > > Here's the kicker. > > > > Its on a Virtual Private Server, under Xen. > > > > Please Help! > > Which filesystem? > > Where is the backup? > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 20:08:53 2005 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:08:53 -0400 Subject: free Alpha machines In-Reply-To: <20050921195427.GW28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921184549.GA28912@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050921195427.GW28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050921200853.GA5319@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 03:54:27PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 02:45:49PM -0400, Robin Humble wrote: >> They are ev56 21164a AlphaPC(?) 164UX machines at 533MHz but >> overclocked to 600. 64M of RAM, and most with a 3.2G IDE disk. They >Darn it for tempting me. I don't have any alphas. > >I have Sun 3/50 and 3/60s, Decstation 5000s (mips 3000), Amiga 500s (No >linux without an MMU on those), an SGI (which can't run linux at this >time). I collect old SGIs myself. a few Indys (one debian, one dual boot RedHat and IRIX), Indigo2s, an Indigo, and a Crimson. >But I would have to get downtown, and my wife would complain about yet >more computers in the house... :) ah. yes, that sounds familiar :) >Hmm, thinking about it at least. these Alphas are just beige boxes on the outside, so nothing special to look at. Only interesting if you put in a bit more ram, a newer OS, and then have the time to play with them... BTW, most/all of them have already been spoken for. cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 20:44:02 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: free Alpha machines In-Reply-To: <20050921184549.GA28912-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921184549.GA28912@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Robin Humble wrote: > > I hope this is appropriate for this list... > > We have ~16 DEC Alpha machines that have computed their little hearts > out and now need to retire to a good home. Are there any left? If so, I'd be interested in one. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================== Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach, 2005, Apress -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 20:00:26 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:00:26 +0300 (IDT) Subject: inside opinion In-Reply-To: References: <200509211127.46373.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Mike Newman wrote: > Many of the Mono developers recompile Eclipse as a .Net executable using IKVM. > I personally hate working with VS.Net. It takes about five minutes to > start on our school computers. However, it's got one of the best GUI > builders I've ever seen. Not the best choice for building a big, > serious application, but it's great for throwing together little apps > quickly. Definitely less of a headache than writing Swing stuff by > hand. Better than vtcl ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 21:35:18 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:35:18 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery In-Reply-To: <1ab2da8205092112582f34ec3e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> <20050921195539.GY28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1ab2da8205092112582f34ec3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050921213518.GZ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 03:58:37PM -0400, James Golick wrote: > both are ext3... > > i tried dumping the inode from debugfs, but it seems that > at least some part of hte data has been overwritten I have recovered files from ext2 in the past. I have never managed on ext3 (or any of the other filesystems). I have recovered from filesystem corruption, but never from rm. rm does it's job very well. :) Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 21 21:39:02 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:39:02 -0400 Subject: free Alpha machines In-Reply-To: <20050921200853.GA5319-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050921184549.GA28912@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050921195427.GW28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050921200853.GA5319@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050921213902.GA28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 04:08:53PM -0400, Robin Humble wrote: > I collect old SGIs myself. a few Indys (one debian, one dual boot RedHat > and IRIX), Indigo2s, an Indigo, and a Crimson. Yeah I have an IP21 (I think it is) indigo with an XS24Z video card and a 20" screen (aka mitsubishi HL7965 as far as I remember). The decstations run Debian, while the suns could run debian, I have never used them for anything other than X terminals (19" mono works fine for that), using a SunOS4 based Xserver netboot. > ah. yes, that sounds familiar :) > > these Alphas are just beige boxes on the outside, so nothing special to > look at. Only interesting if you put in a bit more ram, a newer OS, and > then have the time to play with them... > > BTW, most/all of them have already been spoken for. That's probably for the best. :) I need to replace the drive on the SGI after the HD started making unhappy sounds and then stopped making those sounds a few days later (along with stopping making the normal happy hd sounds). I know I have some 50pin scsi drives around somewhere... Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 02:30:41 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:30:41 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery In-Reply-To: <20050921213518.GZ28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> <20050921195539.GY28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1ab2da8205092112582f34ec3e@mail.gmail.com> <20050921213518.GZ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9/21/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 03:58:37PM -0400, James Golick wrote: > > both are ext3... > > > > i tried dumping the inode from debugfs, but it seems that > > at least some part of hte data has been overwritten > > I have recovered files from ext2 in the past. I have never managed on > ext3 (or any of the other filesystems). > > I have recovered from filesystem corruption, but never from rm. rm does > it's job very well. :) And extracting data from a binary database structure isn't likely to turn out terribly well either. Databases tend to be "hives" of heavily interlinking systems of pointers, very difficult to recover data from in a systematic way. They start "systematic," but break pretty badly :-(. Getting fragments oughn't be too difficult, but doing it systematically will be really difficult. The one "saving grace" is that you generally have TWO sorts of data: 1. The data itself, which tends to be pretty "dense", where you have files chock full of tuples; 2. Indexes, very likely to be completely destroyed by any kind of damage, which are purely a re-encoding of the real data. If an index breaks, it is normally fairly easy to regenerate it. But really, the only way you ever want to recover this stuff is from a backup. Being forced to find what fragments you can reconstruct out of the "shrapnel" left after the explosion is a real expensive way to learn just how important backups are. I'd thought people learned a lot of these lessons out of the cautionary results from: a) The ice storm of 1999 b) The destruction of data centres that took place 2001-09-11 c) The TLUG presentation on how *little* is recoverable from busted disk drives . Which was a VERY valuable presentation! But I guess what we continue to learn from history is that people don't learn from history :-(. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 04:09:22 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 22 Sep 2005 00:09:22 -0400 Subject: ARGC/ARGV Strangeness - Code is working In-Reply-To: <4330E339.18897.1A32014@localhost> References: <43309F2E.27301.9954C5@localhost> <4330E339.18897.1A32014@localhost> Message-ID: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org writes: > > Bad habit. What happens if your argument is longer than 4 chars? Try > > using strncpy(3). > > > > I think a later poster suggested to use argc[count] directly and it > would be a more "global" fix. The reason for the 5 characters was > arbitrary, since I don't feel that there is too much of a chance of > my needing to obtain ascii values for numbers greater than 9,999. Fine, if you're just learning, but any useful program must be prepared to deal with erroneous input. In this case, if the user enters a number larger than 9,999 (or less than -999 or with leading zeros), you have a buffer overrun which could crash your program or (worse) produce incorrect results. If this code were used in a network setting (e.g. to take input from a web application), it could be a security hole giving unauthorized users access to your system. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 13:21:42 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:21:42 -0400 Subject: DB Recovery In-Reply-To: References: <1ab2da8205092111516ac46a95@mail.gmail.com> <20050921195539.GY28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1ab2da8205092112582f34ec3e@mail.gmail.com> <20050921213518.GZ28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050922132142.GB28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 10:30:41PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > And extracting data from a binary database structure isn't likely to > turn out terribly well either. > > Databases tend to be "hives" of heavily interlinking systems of > pointers, very difficult to recover data from in a systematic way. > They start "systematic," but break pretty badly :-(. Yeah getting data off a broken filesystem is easy for jpegs and other images that you can scan for, as long as they are not fragmented. Fragmented data you don't want to try and get off it. > Getting fragments oughn't be too difficult, but doing it > systematically will be really difficult. > > The one "saving grace" is that you generally have TWO sorts of data: > > 1. The data itself, which tends to be pretty "dense", where you have > files chock full of tuples; > > 2. Indexes, very likely to be completely destroyed by any kind of damage, > which are purely a re-encoding of the real data. If an index breaks, > it is normally fairly easy to regenerate it. > > But really, the only way you ever want to recover this stuff is from a backup. > > Being forced to find what fragments you can reconstruct out of the > "shrapnel" left after the explosion is a real expensive way to learn > just how important backups are. I would prefer to never have to try it. :) > I'd thought people learned a lot of these lessons out of the > cautionary results from: > a) The ice storm of 1999 > b) The destruction of data centres that took place 2001-09-11 > c) The TLUG presentation on how *little* is recoverable from busted > disk drives . Which was a > VERY valuable presentation! > > But I guess what we continue to learn from history is that people > don't learn from history :-(. What is it? History always repeats itself Those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 14:26:21 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:26:21 -0400 Subject: History, not learning from it... Message-ID: On 9/22/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > But I guess what we continue to learn from history is that people > > don't learn from history :-(. > > What is it? > > History always repeats itself > Those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it? Well, George Santayana said something to that effect, and is widely quoted as the source... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Santayana: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The thing is, variations on this are attributable to plenty of others. George Bernard Shaw: We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. George Wilhelm Hegel: What experience and history teach is this -- that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles. And I seem to recall attribution of something similar to one of the ancient Romans; Tacitus or the like... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 17:59:18 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:59:18 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup Message-ID: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> Hi all, I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either decision I think could upset someone. So.... The problem is; when a file or directory has the permissions set to not be world/group readable the backup program (well, 'rsync' specifically) will fail to backup that file. I have two options (as I see it, is there a third?): 1. Leave the file behind and assume that the user knew what s/he was doing. -OR- 2. Have my program temporarily raise the permissions to allow for the file to be backed up and then reset them after words. If I choose number 2 I will be compromising the user's settings but I will also be getting their data off (presumably) to a safe place. The biggest risk is the program dieing or being killed before it can restore the permissions on the modified files (which would have to wait until after 'rsync' finishes which could be a big window). If I choose 1 then I need to educate the user (or just assume the user knows what s/he is doing) and risk missing potentially important files in a backup. So what is better? Risk missing files in a backup job or risk messing up a user's permissions? It's a tough one... Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 18:11:38 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:11:38 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F0F6.6000900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4332F3DA.5000106@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input > from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is > aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be > careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either > decision I think could upset someone. So.... My take on backups, is that the person doing the backup should have the appropriate rights to the file they're backing up. Otherwise, a backup could be used to violate permissions. If other than user files are to be backed up, they should be done under root or other appropriate permissions. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 18:12:00 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:12:00 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F3DA.5000106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> <4332F3DA.5000106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4332F3F0.7040203@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input >>from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is >>aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be >>careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either >>decision I think could upset someone. So.... > > > My take on backups, is that the person doing the backup should have the > appropriate rights to the file they're backing up. Otherwise, a backup > could be used to violate permissions. If other than user files are to > be backed up, they should be done under root or other appropriate > permissions. Thanks! The actual 'rsync' call is performed as root so 'rsync' runs as root and should, in turn, be able to backup anything 'root' has access to. This still seems to skip directories and files though where global access is not set to at least readable. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 18:32:54 2005 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:32:54 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup Message-ID: Madison, I currently run a backup service and this issue has come up before. My stance has been this. The owner of the computer (usually the company president) has to sign off if a backup is requested by an individual. In my case, all files in the specified folders are backed up, regardless of permissions. As pointed out, there is an exposure of privledges during that period and my users have accepted that (or at least acknowledged that). Conversely, in some cases, multiple users are using the same machine and all are concerned their data remain private. Again, the owner of the computer has the authority to acknowledge that the backup occurs regardless of the individual's desires, and everyone is advised accordlingly. This "heavy handed" approach has cost me one client over the past 5 years. The balance have accepted it and some companies have even changed their corporate policies such that the "company" has the rights on the computer, rather than individual. If the individual doesn't like the policies, they are welcome to find other jobs, etc. As long as it's documented and the users have acknowledged it, you should be clear. In my case, this was the easiest approach rather than trying to do it a half dozen configurations to please each individual. D. Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org http://www.desktopsolutioncenter.ca For people who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison Kelly Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:12 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: 'Best practices' question for a backup James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input >>from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is >>aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be >>careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either >>decision I think could upset someone. So.... > > > My take on backups, is that the person doing the backup should have > the appropriate rights to the file they're backing up. Otherwise, a > backup could be used to violate permissions. If other than user files > are to be backed up, they should be done under root or other > appropriate permissions. Thanks! The actual 'rsync' call is performed as root so 'rsync' runs as root and should, in turn, be able to backup anything 'root' has access to. This still seems to skip directories and files though where global access is not set to at least readable. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 18:37:33 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:37:33 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F3F0.7040203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> <4332F3DA.5000106@rogers.com> <4332F3F0.7040203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Then you are having trouble with rsync 'cause root can still read a file marked chmod 000. -Joseph- On 9/22/05, Madison Kelly wrote: > > James Knott wrote: > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >> I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input > >>from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is > >>aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be > >>careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either > >>decision I think could upset someone. So.... > > > > > > My take on backups, is that the person doing the backup should have the > > appropriate rights to the file they're backing up. Otherwise, a backup > > could be used to violate permissions. If other than user files are to > > be backed up, they should be done under root or other appropriate > > permissions. > > Thanks! > > The actual 'rsync' call is performed as root so 'rsync' runs as root and > should, in turn, be able to backup anything 'root' has access to. This > still seems to skip directories and files though where global access is > not set to at least readable. > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 18:39:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:39:59 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F0F6.6000900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050922183959.GC28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 01:59:18PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted input > from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup program that is > aimed to be generally available to the public. That said, I need to be > careful how I tell the program to work. In this case though, either > decision I think could upset someone. So.... > > The problem is; when a file or directory has the permissions set to > not be world/group readable the backup program (well, 'rsync' > specifically) will fail to backup that file. > > I have two options (as I see it, is there a third?): > > 1. Leave the file behind and assume that the user knew what s/he was > doing. > > -OR- > > 2. Have my program temporarily raise the permissions to allow for the > file to be backed up and then reset them after words. > > If I choose number 2 I will be compromising the user's settings but I > will also be getting their data off (presumably) to a safe place. The > biggest risk is the program dieing or being killed before it can restore > the permissions on the modified files (which would have to wait until > after 'rsync' finishes which could be a big window). > > If I choose 1 then I need to educate the user (or just assume the > user knows what s/he is doing) and risk missing potentially important > files in a backup. > > So what is better? Risk missing files in a backup job or risk messing > up a user's permissions? It's a tough one... Probably the real solution is the backup system has to run as root, but have some very well though out interface to the user that very carefully checks permissions and such. Although really on normal systems the administrator decides what to backup and schedules it. The user might be able to request a file be restored, but have no direct say in what is backed up, other than bothering the admin to add something to the list. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 19:41:56 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:41:56 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050922194156.GA2420@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 02:32:54PM -0400, Dave Bour wrote: > Madison, I currently run a backup service and this issue has come up > before. My stance has been this. > > The owner of the computer (usually the company president) has to sign > off if a backup is requested by an individual. In my case, all files > in the specified folders are backed up, regardless of permissions. As > pointed out, there is an exposure of privledges during that period and > my users have accepted that (or at least acknowledged that). > > Conversely, in some cases, multiple users are using the same machine > and all are concerned their data remain private. Again, the owner of > the computer has the authority to acknowledge that the backup occurs > regardless of the individual's desires, and everyone is advised > accordlingly. > > This "heavy handed" approach has cost me one client over the past 5 > years. The balance have accepted it and some companies have even > changed their corporate policies such that the "company" has the > rights on the computer, rather than individual. If the individual > doesn't like the policies, they are welcome to find other jobs, etc. Dave, I'm curious. Why would such policy change be even necessary? Company pays for premise, utility, computers, software, and salary. > > As long as it's documented and the users have acknowledged it, you > should be clear. > > In my case, this was the easiest approach rather than trying to do it > a half dozen configurations to please each individual. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 20:01:52 2005 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:01:52 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup Message-ID: You're right, however I guess that some people have anm expectation of what they do is private and not their employers business, hence having them sign an acknowledgement of such policies makes it clear what the expectations are. Not being a lawyer, I can't tell you who's correct, but at least by signing such an acknowledgement, the employer asserts his rights. This could be a whole other discussion. Any lawyers here care to chime in? D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry) PIN 30073084 (as of May 9,2005) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Thu Sep 22 15:41:56 2005 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: 'Best practices' question for a backup On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 02:32:54PM -0400, Dave Bour wrote: > Madison, I currently run a backup service and this issue has come up > before. My stance has been this. > > The owner of the computer (usually the company president) has to sign > off if a backup is requested by an individual. In my case, all files > in the specified folders are backed up, regardless of permissions. As > pointed out, there is an exposure of privledges during that period and > my users have accepted that (or at least acknowledged that). > > Conversely, in some cases, multiple users are using the same machine > and all are concerned their data remain private. Again, the owner of > the computer has the authority to acknowledge that the backup occurs > regardless of the individual's desires, and everyone is advised > accordlingly. > > This "heavy handed" approach has cost me one client over the past 5 > years. The balance have accepted it and some companies have even > changed their corporate policies such that the "company" has the > rights on the computer, rather than individual. If the individual > doesn't like the policies, they are welcome to find other jobs, etc. Dave, I'm curious. Why would such policy change be even necessary? Company pays for premise, utility, computers, software, and salary. > > As long as it's documented and the users have acknowledged it, you > should be clear. > > In my case, this was the easiest approach rather than trying to do it > a half dozen configurations to please each individual. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 20:12:26 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:12:26 -0400 Subject: Upcoming Conference at Seneca College - October 25 Message-ID: Free Software and Open Source Symposium - October 25 2005 http://cs.senecac.on.ca/soss/2005/agenda.php Not much that's directly about Linux per se, but plenty of material on other Free and Open Source projects... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 20:14:38 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:14:38 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/22/05, Dave Bour wrote: > You're right, however I guess that some people have anm expectation of what > they do is private and not their employers business, hence having them sign > an acknowledgement of such policies makes it clear what the expectations > are. Not being a lawyer, I can't tell you who's correct, but at least by > signing such an acknowledgement, the employer asserts his rights. If the computers are NOT considered to belong to the employer, then there are a myriad of liability issues to rear their ugly heads, and that ought to be the "trumping" factor. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 20:17:40 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:17:40 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43331164.5090206@alteeve.com> Christopher Browne wrote: > On 9/22/05, Dave Bour wrote: > >>You're right, however I guess that some people have anm expectation of what >>they do is private and not their employers business, hence having them sign >>an acknowledgement of such policies makes it clear what the expectations >>are. Not being a lawyer, I can't tell you who's correct, but at least by >>signing such an acknowledgement, the employer asserts his rights. > > > If the computers are NOT considered to belong to the employer, then > there are a myriad of liability issues to rear their ugly heads, and > that ought to be the "trumping" factor. This is a very important topic, but I also expect the program to be used by individual as well as corporate people. Either way, being an OSS program, there will be nothing to 'sign' from my point as view as the author. My concern is the default behaviour of the program when the end user is unknown. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 20:20:57 2005 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:20:57 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup Message-ID: You're right. My opening statement covered exactly that. The owner of the computer in question signs off. I would assume (correctly or not) that an employee owned computer has some type of legal agreement covering their use of employer materials D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry) PIN 30073084 (as of May 9,2005) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Thu Sep 22 16:14:38 2005 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: 'Best practices' question for a backup On 9/22/05, Dave Bour wrote: > You're right, however I guess that some people have anm expectation of what > they do is private and not their employers business, hence having them sign > an acknowledgement of such policies makes it clear what the expectations > are. Not being a lawyer, I can't tell you who's correct, but at least by > signing such an acknowledgement, the employer asserts his rights. If the computers are NOT considered to belong to the employer, then there are a myriad of liability issues to rear their ugly heads, and that ought to be the "trumping" factor. -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:12:58 2005 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:12:58 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? Message-ID: I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) Thank you. Cheers, Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:25:45 2005 From: jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James Golick) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:25:45 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> There are a few generic universal notebook adapters made by Targus. My only advice, is make SURE that your notebook is listed on the package. It must be an exact match, or else the thing may not work. And they're expensive. You can get one on College, in the computer district. James On 9/22/05, Alex Maynard wrote: > > > I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. > > Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is > it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have > an IBM > think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) > > Thank you. > > Cheers, > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:27:17 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:27:17 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433321B5.1020407@alteeve.com> Alex Maynard wrote: > I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. > > Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is > it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM > think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) > > Thank you. > > Cheers, > > Alex There is a certain amount of interchangability in adapters but as a rule of thumb, you need the right one for your system. Long answer: There are three things you need to check: The adapter must provide the proper voltage (probably 16vDC on your laptop). This must be exact (before I get corrected, you /can/ vary up to 10% in either direction but generally it's not a good idea). The polarity of the connector must match. This means that if the center pin on your laptop is positive and the outer shell is tied to ground, the polarity of the adapter must be "positive center". This generally is shown as a graphic like: + --)-- - (the graphic is a little clearer). The last thing is the amperage. The adapter must provide at least as much amperage as your laptop will draw. If the adapter provides more than your laptop needs, that is okay. If it provides less, it is not okay. HTH Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:45:31 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:45:31 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> Try www.likenewcomputers.com they have off-lease IBM equipment, they may have spare power packs too. Fran?ois Ouellette ----- Original Message ----- From: James Golick To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? There are a few generic universal notebook adapters made by Targus. My only advice, is make SURE that your notebook is listed on the package. It must be an exact match, or else the thing may not work. And they're expensive. You can get one on College, in the computer district. James On 9/22/05, Alex Maynard wrote: I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) Thank you. Cheers, Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 21/09/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:52:46 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:52:46 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433327AE.3070801@rogers.com> Alex Maynard wrote: > I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. > > Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is > it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM > think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) Forgot to mention, you can buy a used one from e-bay or stores that sell used notebooks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 21:51:52 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:51:52 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43332778.5030704@rogers.com> Alex Maynard wrote: > I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. > > Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is > it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM > think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) As long as the adapter has the correct voltage and can supply the necessary power and has the right connector and polarity, it should be fine. There are some aftermarket adapters, from Targus etc.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 22 23:33:56 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:33:56 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F0F6.6000900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05092216337afedca2@mail.gmail.com> > I have two options (as I see it, is there a third?): > > 1. Leave the file behind and assume that the user knew what s/he was > doing. > > -OR- > > 2. Have my program temporarily raise the permissions to allow for the > file to be backed up and then reset them after words. It might be worthwhile to do both, listing them as a toggle option in the configuration page (or file): My preference at work would be #2, and at home, #1. I think I'd probably set #1 as the default behavior but make sure it's very clear that some files may not be backed up. Either way, a message about the default behavior - at application first-run/config or hi-lighted in the configuration page (or file) - might prove effective without dropping either option. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 01:48:49 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:48:49 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> Message-ID: <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> CPUsed has IBM power adaptors. I took my laptop to Cuba last Christmas, where the line voltage is 220V. The adaptor said it could work with 220V, so with some trepidation I plugged it into the hotel wall outlet. There was a flash and a giant ZZZZAAAAP sound which I'd never heard before, and so I yanked out the plug and assumed that the adaptor was dead, dead, dead. Got home, checked with CPUsed, and they wanted something like $75 for a new one, which is not unreasonable given the output current of the thing. Anyway, I decided to try the adaptor on 117VAC line. Again, the zap thing, but a bit more subdued this time and I noticed that the laptop was charging. So the charger survived completely. Finding out that the adaptor survived was good, but the best part was thinking that the laptop was out of commission during the one week holiday, so I spent the time lounging in the pool with coloured tropical beverages instead of working on some mind-numbing project specification document. Peter On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:45:31PM -0400, Francois Ouellette wrote: > Try www.likenewcomputers.com they have off-lease IBM equipment, they may have spare power packs too. > > Fran?ois Ouellette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Golick > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? > > > There are a few generic universal notebook adapters made by > Targus. > > My only advice, is make SURE that your notebook is listed on the package. > It must be an exact match, or else the thing may not work. And they're expensive. > > You can get one on College, in the computer district. > > James > > > On 9/22/05, Alex Maynard wrote: > > I apologize in advance for an off-topic (and probably trivial) question. > > Does anyone happen to know if laptop adaptor/power cords are generic or is > it better (necessary) to buy the adaptor that matches the laptop? (I have an IBM > think pad 21, whose adaptor just broke.) > > Thank you. > > Cheers, > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.4/109 - Release Date: 21/09/2005 > -- Peter D. Hiscocks Professor Emeritus Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 02:07:37 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:37 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: <20050923014849.GA8528-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <43336369.9050402@utoronto.ca> Peter Hiscocks wrote: >CPUsed has IBM power adaptors. > >I took my laptop to Cuba last Christmas, where the line voltage is 220V. The >adaptor said it could work with 220V, so with some trepidation I plugged it >into the hotel wall outlet. There was a flash and a giant ZZZZAAAAP sound >which I'd never heard before, and so I yanked out the plug and assumed that >the adaptor was dead, dead, dead. > >Got home, checked with CPUsed, and they wanted something like $75 for a new >one, which is not unreasonable given the output current of the thing. >Anyway, I decided to try the adaptor on 117VAC line. Again, the zap thing, >but a bit more subdued this time and I noticed that the laptop was charging. >So the charger survived completely. > >Finding out that the adaptor survived was good, but the best part was >thinking that the laptop was out of commission during the one week holiday, >so I spent the time lounging in the pool with coloured tropical beverages >instead of working on some mind-numbing project specification document. > > I had a similar experience in Brazil with my laptop. I'm not sure if it's the same thing in Cuba, but in Brazil the sockets have four holes in them. Two are around and two are flat and they are arranged such that it seems that a grounded North American plug can connect in without an adapter. The reality is that the round holes which I expected to be a ground, is also electrified and those outlets are designed for European style plugs. When I plugged my laptop in directly I had a very similar result to what you described. I then found an "adapter" which basically just prevented the ground plug from connecting and that worked fine. That said, I didn't have the power adaptor connected to the laptop during any of this and I shudder to think what might have happened if I had. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 03:23:58 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F Message-ID: <20050923032359.12137.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am looking to build the simple serial receiver noted on the Linux Infared Remote Control website: http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html My problem is IC information, I have two unknown IR receiver ICs (which I have had sitting on a shelf for several years), but I don't know the make/model/pinouts. On the back of the IC in the upper left corner is "40", in the lower left is "21", in the lower right is "99" and in the upper right is "0" can anyone ID this IC? Further can anyone point me at datasheet for this chip? Alternatively there is the Sony SBX8025-F IR IC which Sayal Electronics (http://www.sayal.com/) near Victoria Park and Steeles seems to have in quantity. >From this Sony press release this IC sounds EXACTLY like what the doctor ordered: http://products.sel.sony.com/semi/nrirre.html But having spent some two days attempting to get some (any) data on this chip I am in a a state of frustration. I have searched the Sony websites, called Sony Canada, called Sony's Canadian sales reps., and called Sayal. Empty handed on all counts. So the questions regarding the Sony SBX8025-F are: - Will it work with the circuit presented on the LIRC website? - What are the pin-outs for the SBX8025-F? As a final fall back option, any thoughts about how to determine what the pin-outs for an unknown IC? Do I just build the rest of the circuit, connect the IC, try it, if it doesn't work hope I have not blown something, try a different pin combination and continue until I have either tried all possible combinations or until it works? Thanks in advance to all. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 05:06:55 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:06:55 -0400 Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: <20050923032359.12137.qmail-fjYszm/wOJWB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923032359.12137.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05092222067b929738@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/05, Colin McGregor wrote: > My problem is IC information, I have two unknown IR > receiver ICs (which I have had sitting on a shelf for > several years), but I don't know the > make/model/pinouts. On the back of the IC in the upper > left corner is "40", in the lower left is "21", in the > lower right is "99" and in the upper right is "0" can > anyone ID this IC? Further can anyone point me at > datasheet for this chip? How many pins are on the chip? That's the only thing I can think of to help here. > Alternatively there is the Sony SBX8025-F IR IC which [...] > But having spent some two days attempting to get some > (any) data on this chip I am in a a state of > frustration. I have searched the Sony websites, called > Sony Canada, called Sony's Canadian sales reps., and > called Sayal. Empty handed on all counts. Maybe email around to other electronics shops. A little out of the way perhaps, but Nutech (http://www.nutechelectronics.com/) in Hamilton might be a place to start. Found them years ago and never needed to go anywhere else. (ymmv) > As a final fall back option, any thoughts about how to > determine what the pin-outs for an unknown IC? Do I > just build the rest of the circuit, connect the IC, > try it, if it doesn't work hope I have not blown > something, try a different pin combination and > continue until I have either tried all possible > combinations or until it works? Testing through trial & error like that probably wouldn't be very healthy for the chip. Never heard of any methods to reverse engineer the pinout of an IC, and can't think of any either. Keep digging for the data sheets, and best of luck. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 11:05:09 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05092222067b929738-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f05092222067b929738@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050923110509.24111.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- psema4 wrote: > On 9/22/05, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > My problem is IC information, I have two unknown > IR > > receiver ICs (which I have had sitting on a shelf > for > > several years), but I don't know the > > make/model/pinouts. On the back of the IC in the > upper > > left corner is "40", in the lower left is "21", in > the > > lower right is "99" and in the upper right is "0" > can > > anyone ID this IC? Further can anyone point me at > > datasheet for this chip? > > How many pins are on the chip? That's the only > thing I can think of > to help here. Both my unknown chip and the Sony SBX8025-F chip have 3 pins, power (+5V), ground, and data. There is a small lens on one side of the chip, and what signal appears on the data line depends on what IR signal the photo diode behind that lens detects. > > Alternatively there is the Sony SBX8025-F IR IC > which > [...] > > But having spent some two days attempting to get > some > > (any) data on this chip I am in a a state of > > frustration. I have searched the Sony websites, > called > > Sony Canada, called Sony's Canadian sales reps., > and > > called Sayal. Empty handed on all counts. > > Maybe email around to other electronics shops. A > little out of the > way perhaps, but Nutech > (http://www.nutechelectronics.com/) in > Hamilton might be a place to start. Found them > years ago and never > needed to go anywhere else. (ymmv) > > > As a final fall back option, any thoughts about > how to > > determine what the pin-outs for an unknown IC? Do > I > > just build the rest of the circuit, connect the > IC, > > try it, if it doesn't work hope I have not blown > > something, try a different pin combination and > > continue until I have either tried all possible > > combinations or until it works? > > Testing through trial & error like that probably > wouldn't be very > healthy for the chip. Never heard of any methods to > reverse engineer > the pinout of an IC, and can't think of any either. Yes, the only reason I though reverse engineering might be an option is these two chips have 3 pins, or by my math 6 possible pin-out combinations. Still at $4 a pop and reasonably expecting to loose 3 chips on average, that is math that doesn't appeal to me :-( . > Keep digging for the data sheets, and best of luck. Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 11:36:52 2005 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:36:52 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F0F6.6000900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>; from linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 13:59:18 -0400 References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050923113652.GC2000@localhost> On Thu Sep 22,2005 01:59:18 PM Madison Kelly wrote: > I've run into an ethical/best practices question that I wanted > input from as many people as I could get on. I have a backup > program that is aimed to be generally available to the public. That > said, I need to be careful how I tell the program to work. In this > case though, either decision I think could upset someone. So.... > > The problem is; when a file or directory has the permissions set > to not be world/group readable the backup program (well, 'rsync' > specifically) will fail to backup that file. > > I have two options (as I see it, is there a third?): > > 1. Leave the file behind and assume that the user knew what s/he > was doing. > > -OR- > > 2. Have my program temporarily raise the permissions to allow for > the file to be backed up and then reset them after words. If you choose option 1, and have the ability, you should log or otherwise display a message such as: "xxx files could not be backed up due to permissions settings". You could also have a setting that logs or otherwise saves the path and names of files that were skipped. This should be an option because in some circumstances it could result in a huge or unwanted list. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 12:08:27 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:08:27 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <001001c5c037$9335fb90$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> > I took my laptop to Cuba last Christmas, where the line voltage is 220V. The > adaptor said it could work with 220V, so with some trepidation I plugged it > into the hotel wall outlet. There was a flash and a giant ZZZZAAAAP sound > which I'd never heard before, and so I yanked out the plug and assumed that > the adaptor was dead, dead, dead. > > Got home, checked with CPUsed, and they wanted something like $75 for a new > one, which is not unreasonable given the output current of the thing. > Anyway, I decided to try the adaptor on 117VAC line. Again, the zap thing, > but a bit more subdued this time and I noticed that the laptop was charging. > So the charger survived completely. > > Finding out that the adaptor survived was good, but the best part was > thinking that the laptop was out of commission during the one week holiday, > so I spent the time lounging in the pool with coloured tropical beverages > instead of working on some mind-numbing project specification document. > > Peter My experience with hotel electrical outlets in many "foreign" countries where electricians can be anyone who shows interest in playing with wires is that NOTHING can be trusted! It may have been that there was in fact 500v in that outlet instead of the expected 240, or anything else. Who knows. Some places have a local electricity powerplant that may even produce something else than the expected 50 or 60 cycles. Some places in Europe used to have systems with 1600 cycles... I always carry a little pocket multimeter when I travel and check voltages before plugging anything to an unfriendly looking outlet. Also, when plugging the adapter the very first time DO NOT connect it to the computer! Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 12:46:52 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:46:52 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: <20050923014849.GA8528-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200509230846.52703.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On September 22, 2005 21:48, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > CPUsed has IBM power adaptors. > > I took my laptop to Cuba last Christmas, where the line voltage is > 220V. The adaptor said it could work with 220V, so with some > trepidation I plugged it into the hotel wall outlet. There was a > flash and a giant ZZZZAAAAP sound which I'd never heard before, and > so I yanked out the plug and assumed that the adaptor was dead, > dead, dead. Interesting. I have used my ThinkPad A21p with the same adapter in Europe with just a different power cord. It is rated for 100V to 240V. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 12:49:49 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:49:49 +0300 (IDT) Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: <20050923110509.24111.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923110509.24111.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How to hack the 3 pin sensor: connect a 5V supply through 2 1k resistors and a 5mA led like so (use fixed font to view ascii art): +5v---*----1K----A LED K---- (1) (Out) To Sensor IC | +----1K--------------- (2) (Vdd) GND------------------------- (3) (Gnd) Connect the 1,2,3 contacts to the remote receiver in all possible combinations and notice which causes the led to blink if you fire a tv known good (!!!) remote at it (not from too close i.e. cca 1 meter). You may have to shield the IC from desk lamps etc. to have it work. Additional hint: with most non-power ICs the lowest reading reverse diode (found with a dvm on the diode scale by randomly measuring between pins) is the Vdd-Vss reverse junction, i.e. you found the power pins (plus will be on the black wire of the dvm and minus on the red). Of course there is no guarantee. You have to use a 5mA, preferrably red led. If not (using an ordinary led), the light emitted will be extremely dim. You do this at your own risk, you get to keep the (unlikely) smoke that you let out etc. The circuit shown should be safe for 'hacking' sensors, it passes at most 5mA per pin. I have used it with success many times before. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 13:22:27 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:22:27 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: <20050923014849.GA8528-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050923132227.GD28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:48:49PM -0400, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I took my laptop to Cuba last Christmas, where the line voltage is 220V. The > adaptor said it could work with 220V, so with some trepidation I plugged it > into the hotel wall outlet. There was a flash and a giant ZZZZAAAAP sound > which I'd never heard before, and so I yanked out the plug and assumed that > the adaptor was dead, dead, dead. > > Got home, checked with CPUsed, and they wanted something like $75 for a new > one, which is not unreasonable given the output current of the thing. > Anyway, I decided to try the adaptor on 117VAC line. Again, the zap thing, > but a bit more subdued this time and I noticed that the laptop was charging. > So the charger survived completely. Well I have seen some laptop power adapters cause quite a sparc (zap) when you plug them into the wall even when not connected to the laptop. I guess some of them just draw a lot of power right when you connect them. If it is in fact a 100-240V capable adapter, then it also makes sense that if it does the zap thing at 117V it should do the same (except twice as big) on 220V. It may in fact be normal behaviour for that adapter. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 14:10:07 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:10:07 -0400 Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: <20050923110509.24111.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f05092222067b929738@mail.gmail.com> <20050923110509.24111.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050923141007.GE28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 07:05:09AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > Both my unknown chip and the Sony SBX8025-F chip have > 3 pins, power (+5V), ground, and data. There is a > small lens on one side of the chip, and what signal > appears on the data line depends on what IR signal the > photo diode behind that lens detects. Are the pins labeled at all for which is power ground and data? If you knew those then yeah the circuit is likely to work (assuming the ir chip uses the correct carrier frequency for your remote, although I would hope it uses what appears to be most common (40khz)). > Yes, the only reason I though reverse engineering > might be an option is these two chips have 3 pins, or > by my math 6 possible pin-out combinations. Still at > $4 a pop and reasonably expecting to loose 3 chips on > average, that is math that doesn't appeal to me :-( . I would think even some of the wrong setups wouldn't hurt it (ie +5 to data and data to +5 shouldn't hurt anything, that would just be unstable power and constant high data). You could also assume the pinout is like the one in the diagram to start and hope it is a common industry standard. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 14:39:26 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:39:26 -0400 Subject: Off topic: generic laptop adaptor? In-Reply-To: <20050923132227.GD28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1ab2da820509221425163ed23c@mail.gmail.com> <001001c5bfbf$0671d7b0$6601a8c0@ibm5b4y3a0pgrq> <20050923014849.GA8528@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050923132227.GD28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4334139E.3020705@telly.org> From my own experience, most laptop adaptors are capable of working on any voltage from 110 to 240, it's just a matter of having the right plug and using the right socket. Plugging a laptop into a 220V plug always seems to cause a spark for me, so I try to remember to plug the adaptor into the wall before plugging it into the laptop. The British seem to have the best idea, as most electrical sockets have their own switches. You turn the switch off, plug in, and then switch the power on -- no sparks. If you have to replace your laptop brick anyway, it doesn't cost much more to get something that will work with all devices with all power sources. Some will also work with the 12 volts provided at car cigarette lighters or some airplane seats, and offer plugs to charge cellphones and PDA as well as the laptop (some can charge multiple devices at the same time). IMO the two best sources for these adaptors are IGO (http://www.igo.com) and UPS-maker APC (http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=TPA90DC). APC has even designed a series of notebook cases around the adaptor so that you can charge (multiple) items without removing them from the case. If you really want to travel light, there are cables for most PDAs and cellphones that will charge them from a USB port. It's a slower charge than a conventional brick would provide, but far smaller, lighter, and you don't need to worry about plug adaptors for different countries. Speaking of plug adaptors, the best one I found so far is from Japan called the Road Warrior. It's small and fits EVERY international socket (including South Africa and Australia): http://www.warrior.co.jp/E/plug_adapter.htm#gocon It's just not easily available (in Japan or by mail order). One that's easier to find (Air Canada even sells it in its onboard duty free catalog) is called the Travel Smart adaptor. It's bulkier, heavier and covers fewer countries than the Japanese one, but will handle most (US, UK, Europe). http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/onboard/dutyfree/jewel_p5.html HTH, Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 17:28:04 2005 From: tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Tim Goodaire) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:28:04 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <43331164.5090206-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <43331164.5090206@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050923172804.GA8627@dahmer> On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 04:17:40PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Christopher Browne wrote: > >On 9/22/05, Dave Bour wrote: > > > >>You're right, however I guess that some people have anm expectation of > >>what > >>they do is private and not their employers business, hence having them > >>sign > >>an acknowledgement of such policies makes it clear what the expectations > >>are. Not being a lawyer, I can't tell you who's correct, but at least by > >>signing such an acknowledgement, the employer asserts his rights. > > > > > >If the computers are NOT considered to belong to the employer, then > >there are a myriad of liability issues to rear their ugly heads, and > >that ought to be the "trumping" factor. > > This is a very important topic, but I also expect the program to be used > by individual as well as corporate people. Either way, being an OSS > program, there will be nothing to 'sign' from my point as view as the > author. > > My concern is the default behaviour of the program when the end user is > unknown. Why not make it an option that must be configured and has no default? The configuration file could have comments that explain these two types of behaviour and their possible risks. This way the user makes this decision about the behaviour on their own and there is less of a chance for surprises. Tim > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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For example, ----------------------------------- [root at foobar rpms-September2005]# cpan2rpm --author="Dave Rolsky" --version= 2.11 Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz -- cpan2rpm - Ver: 2.028 -- Signatures not set up Upgrade check Fetch: HTTP -- module: Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz -- Metadata retrieval Tarball extraction: [/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz] Generating spec file SPEC: /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log-Dispatch.spec Generating package RPM test unpacking failed! [/bin/rpm -bp /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log- Dispatch.spec] -bp: unknown option -- Done -- ----------------------------------- My rpm version is 4.4.1, which I believe is fairly current. Can anyone explain why 'bp' isn't recognized by rpm? Do I need to use the /etc/popt magic mentioned in the rpm man page? Thanks .. Alex -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, > > ----------------------------------- > [root at foobar rpms-September2005]# cpan2rpm --author="Dave Rolsky" > --version=2.11 Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz > > -- cpan2rpm - Ver: 2.028 -- > Signatures not set up > Upgrade check > Fetch: HTTP > > -- module: Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz -- > Metadata retrieval > Tarball extraction: [/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz] > Generating spec file > SPEC: /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log-Dispatch.spec > Generating package > RPM test unpacking failed! [/bin/rpm -bp /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log- > Dispatch.spec] > -bp: unknown option > -- Done -- > ----------------------------------- > > My rpm version is 4.4.1, which I believe is fairly current. Can anyone > explain why 'bp' isn't recognized by rpm? Do I need to use the /etc/popt > magic mentioned in the rpm man page? Thanks .. > > Alex > > -- > ---------- > Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 20:24:55 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:24:55 -0400 Subject: FC4, cpan2rpm, unknown rpm option 'bp' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yep .. it looks like if rpmbuild isn't installed, cpan2rpm valiantly tries to use rpm instead, and since rpm doesn't handle that argument any more, it fails. It would nice if the documentation for cpan2rpm mentioned that. I should probably write to the authour about that. Thanks! Alex On 9/23/05, Joseph Kubik wrote: > > I thinkg there is now an app called rpmbuild. > You may need to write a wrapper script for rpm to parse the rpm options > and call the correct binary. > -Joseph- > > On 9/23/05, Alex Beamish wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to build some RPMs for FC4 using cpan2rpm, and I'm running > > into a problem. For example, > > > > ----------------------------------- > > [root at foobar rpms-September2005]# cpan2rpm --author="Dave Rolsky" > > --version=2.11 Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz > > > > -- cpan2rpm - Ver: 2.028 -- > > Signatures not set up > > Upgrade check > > Fetch: HTTP > > > > -- module: Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz -- > > Metadata retrieval > > Tarball extraction: [/usr/src/redhat/SOURCES/Log-Dispatch-2.11.tar.gz] > > Generating spec file > > SPEC: /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log-Dispatch.spec > > Generating package > > RPM test unpacking failed! [/bin/rpm -bp /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/Log- > > Dispatch.spec] > > -bp: unknown option > > -- Done -- > > ----------------------------------- > > > > My rpm version is 4.4.1, which I believe is fairly current. Can anyone > > explain why 'bp' isn't recognized by rpm? Do I need to use the /etc/popt > > magic mentioned in the rpm man page? Thanks .. > > > > Alex > > > > -- > > ---------- > > Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. > > > -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 23:17:06 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050923231706.44245.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This sounds fantastic. Can I quote you on this? The reason I am interested in sensors is in part driven by the fact that I am writing an article and I want to give credit where credit is due. Related question, Peter what is your last name (or how would you want me to credit you)? Colin McGregor --- Peter wrote: > How to hack the 3 pin sensor: > > connect a 5V supply through 2 1k resistors and a 5mA > led like so (use > fixed font to view ascii art): > > > +5v---*----1K----A LED K---- (1) (Out) To Sensor IC > | > +----1K--------------- (2) (Vdd) > > GND------------------------- (3) (Gnd) > > > Connect the 1,2,3 contacts to the remote receiver in > all possible > combinations and notice which causes the led to > blink if you fire a tv > known good (!!!) remote at it (not from too close > i.e. cca 1 meter). You > may have to shield the IC from desk lamps etc. to > have it work. > > Additional hint: with most non-power ICs the lowest > reading reverse > diode (found with a dvm on the diode scale by > randomly measuring between > pins) is the Vdd-Vss reverse junction, i.e. you > found the power pins > (plus will be on the black wire of the dvm and minus > on the red). Of > course there is no guarantee. > > You have to use a 5mA, preferrably red led. If not > (using an ordinary > led), the light emitted will be extremely dim. > > You do this at your own risk, you get to keep the > (unlikely) smoke that > you let out etc. The circuit shown should be safe > for 'hacking' sensors, > it passes at most 5mA per pin. I have used it with > success many times > before. > > Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 23 23:43:03 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:43:03 -0400 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? Message-ID: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 00:44:24 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:44:24 -0400 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <20050923234302.GA31007-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: Walter Dnes wrote: > The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back > with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is > perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards > IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? > I've not tried it, but you can use the Useragent Switcher extension for Firefox to change your browser's identification. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 I'm not sure that this will help if the site is asking for Windows Media Player. Does/can mplayer mimic Media Player? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 03:24:21 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:24:21 -0400 Subject: Firefox about:config details (WAS: how to add file type handler to firefox ?) In-Reply-To: <87zmqce4pf.fsf-4SqnbbNSRR0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050915013735.GB4321@waltdnes.org> <87zmqce4pf.fsf@buug.org> Message-ID: <20050924032421.GA31642@waltdnes.org> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:46:52PM -0400, Ian Zimmerman wrote > Walter> There are 2 ways of doing it, which are basically identical. > Walter> Here's a real-life example where I wanted mplayer to handle mms > Walter> and pnm and rtsp (I've built mplayer to pass the URLs on to > Walter> RealPlayer if they turn out to be RealPlayer codecs). > > How did you find out? I mean, I know there's a page on the mozilla > site that describes about:config _in general_, but how does one find > the actual "path" names? Other than reading the humongous source? > > I'm not the OP, but I had this problem a few times. I didn't answer back then, because I didn't have the heart to say that I read it in a post on this list a long time ago. Since then, I've stumbled over a Mozillazine webpage with detailed info. The page is... http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_Entries -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 03:44:45 2005 From: simon-tlug-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org (Simon P. Ditner) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Asterisk & VoIP talk; Wednesday Sept 28th Message-ID: Hi All, This Wednesday, the Toronto Asterisk Users Group (http://taug.ca) will be hosting a talk by Stephan Monette of Unlimitel.ca, the Ottawa based SIP/IAX VoIP provider, on Asterisk and Voice over IP security. Please RSVP by sending email to asterisk-talk-GaisZHhRk3c at public.gmane.org About Asterisk (from asterisk.org): Asterisk is a complete PBX in software. It runs on Linux and provides all of the features you would expect from a PBX and more. Asterisk does voice over IP in three protocols, and can interoperate with almost all standards-based telephony equipment using relatively inexpensive hardware. Asterisk provides Voicemail services with Directory, Call Conferencing, Interactive Voice Response, Call Queuing. It has support for three-way calling, caller ID services, ADSI, SIP and H.323 (as both client and gateway). When: 6:30pm - 8:00pm, Wednesday September 28th, 2005 Where: Mel Lastman Square Community Room 1 5100 Yonge St., North York, ON (Google map link: http://xrl.us/hqbw) Driving/Walking: Mel Lastman Square is located on the West side of Yonge Street, just North of Yonge and Sheppard. TTC: Mel Lastman Square is located at the North York Centre subway stop, one stop North of Sheppard Station. ---- Afterwards, we will progress to our regular pub (across the street) around 7:30 - 8:00pm: Toby's Good Eats 416-225-2995 5095 Yonge Street, North York, ON Cheers, Simon P. Ditner -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 03:40:31 2005 From: webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Craig Routledge) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:40:31 +0000 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <20050923234302.GA31007-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> (from waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org on Fri Sep 23 19:43:03 2005) References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <1127533231l.5873l.0l@localhost.localdomain> On 09/23/2005 07:43:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back > with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is > perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards > IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? I've had luck with the mozplugger program. It invokes whatever program is specified by your system's MIME-type database. It even seems to play the video within the web browser. I tried it. It worked. I didn't look any more closely at it. Your milage *will* vary. See http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 04:39:42 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:39:42 -0400 Subject: 'Best practices' question for a backup In-Reply-To: <4332F3DA.5000106-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4332F0F6.6000900@alteeve.com> <4332F3DA.5000106@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4334D88E.9090908@interlog.com> James Knott wrote: > My take on backups, is that the person doing the backup should have the > appropriate rights to the file they're backing up. Otherwise, a backup > could be used to violate permissions. If other than user files are to > be backed up, they should be done under root or other appropriate > permissions. My sentiments exactly. Any backup program must respect file ownership and permissions. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 09:47:47 2005 From: rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:47:47 -0400 Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: <4334D88E.9090908-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4334D88E.9090908@interlog.com> Message-ID: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Hello, I just got back from a Kennedy family reunion in Ottawa where I volunteered to set up a web site for us. Anyone familiar with a package that I can install on a web server? I am running MySQL, PHP and Apache on RH9. Commercial examples are myfamily.com and yourfamilywebsite.info. Thanks for any assistance. Best, Robert Robert F. Kennedy Toronto -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 10:07:29 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0-B7WYQ2cLakwWhyVFc8JwjA@public.gmane.org> References: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > I just got back from a Kennedy family reunion in Ottawa where I > volunteered to set up a web site for us. Anyone familiar with a package > that I can install on a web server? I am running MySQL, PHP and Apache > on RH9. Commercial examples are myfamily.com and yourfamilywebsite.info. What features do you want, and why do you need a package for it? -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================== Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach, 2005, Apress -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 10:21:14 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:21:14 +0300 (IDT) Subject: The unknown IC and the Sony SBX8025-F In-Reply-To: <20050923231706.44245.qmail-nQt9QCl3sx2B9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923231706.44245.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Colin McGregor wrote: > This sounds fantastic. > > Can I quote you on this? The reason I am interested in > sensors is in part driven by the fact that I am > writing an article and I want to give credit where > credit is due. Related question, Peter what is your > last name (or how would you want me to credit you)? I think that you can credit me but there may be other variants of this scheme on the net. It is a 'classic' hacking scheme. I certainly did not copy it from anywhere. I think that the easiest way would be to credit the archived (?) message from me in this thread. Then, if someone has an issue, they can take it up with me. My name is Peter L. Peres. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 10:22:01 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:22:01 +0300 (IDT) Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <20050923234302.GA31007-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: > The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back > with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is > perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards > IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? I tried but not very hard. Does not work so far. I am interested. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 13:27:29 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 24 Sep 2005 09:27:29 -0400 Subject: Upcoming Conference at Seneca College - October 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Christopher Browne writes: > Free Software and Open Source Symposium - October 25 2005 > http://cs.senecac.on.ca/soss/2005/agenda.php > > Not much that's directly about Linux per se, but plenty of material on > other Free and Open Source projects... And not a bad deal for $20 ($5 for students, IIRC). It even includes a t-shirt. And who here has too many t-shirts :) TTYL, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 14:25:14 2005 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:25:14 -0400 Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0-B7WYQ2cLakwWhyVFc8JwjA@public.gmane.org> References: <4334D88E.9090908@interlog.com> <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert. I assume you're talking about content management. There's lots of them out there, so the best thing is to check out their features. One I've used in the past, and I really like, is Drupal. You've already got all the requirements (PHP, MySQL, Apache), and it's very easy to extend. An example of a site that uses Drupal is www.spreadfirefox.com. Best of all, it's open source. Drupal's web site is http://www.drupal.org pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org On 9/24/05, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > > Hello, > > I just got back from a Kennedy family reunion in Ottawa where I > volunteered to set up a web site for us. Anyone familiar with a package > that I can install on a web server? I am running MySQL, PHP and Apache > on RH9. Commercial examples are myfamily.com and > yourfamilywebsite.info . > Thanks for any assistance. > > Best, > Robert > > Robert F. Kennedy > Toronto > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 14:25:35 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:25:35 -0400 Subject: Data Loss example Message-ID: <20050924142535.GA15937@ee.ryerson.ca> One of my colleagues lost an important document because it was stored in a USB key. The key cap had a ring which attached to the rest of her keys, but the body of the USB key could and did depart, leaving the empty cap behind. Number of backup copies? 0. Apparently, some USB keys have the attachment ring on the body of the key. In retrospect, that seems like a Better Idea. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Professor Emeritus Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 14:56:25 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:56:25 -0400 Subject: Data Loss example In-Reply-To: <20050924142535.GA15937-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050924142535.GA15937@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <43356919.5010703@rogers.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > One of my colleagues lost an important document because it was stored in a > USB key. The key cap had a ring which attached to the rest of her keys, but > the body of the USB key could and did depart, leaving the empty cap behind. > > Number of backup copies? 0. > > Apparently, some USB keys have the attachment ring on the body of the key. > In retrospect, that seems like a Better Idea. Mine has the "ring" as part of the body, which means at worst I'd lose the cap. However, there are some, where the cap is permantly attached to the body. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 17:53:45 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:53:45 -0400 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <4334A168.5060607-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> <4334A168.5060607@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1127584425.5404.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi I have it working. I downloaded mplayer-plugin. http://mplayerplug- in.sourceforge.net/ and made sure I had all the codecs installed. http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html The one confusing thing is when I load a CNN window I get a grey box with an icon of a film strip and an x to close the box. To start the video I have to click on the x when I thought I would have to click on the icon. jim > Walter Dnes wrote: > > The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back > > with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is > > perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards > > IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? > > > > I've not tried it, but you can use the Useragent Switcher extension for > Firefox to change your browser's identification. > > https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 > > I'm not sure that this will help if the site is asking for Windows Media > Player. Does/can mplayer mimic Media Player? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 18:17:25 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:17:25 -0400 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <1127533231l.5873l.0l-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> <1127533231l.5873l.0l@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050924181725.GA13169@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 03:40:31AM +0000, Craig Routledge wrote > On 09/23/2005 07:43:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > The cnn.com site has quite a few "Watch:" links, but they come back > >with a complaint about media player plugin not detected. Mplayer is > >perfectly capable of playing the videos, but the HTML is tilted towards > >IE. Anybody manage to get it working in linux under Firefox? > > I've had luck with the mozplugger program. It invokes whatever program is > specified by your system's MIME-type database. It even seems to play the > video within the web browser. I tried it. It worked. I didn't look any > more closely at it. Your milage *will* vary. > > See http://mozplugger.mozdev.org/ There's a problem in Gentoo, because it's masked out. Sorta like Debian testing and/or unstable. The problem can be anything from "it works great but hasn't been't been tested sufficiently" to "t0t at lly b0rk3n". I can over-ride the masking, but I'm on my own for bug-handling. There's a package called mplayerplug-in that is available under portage. It's intended for mozilla, but copying mplayerplug-in.so to the Firefox plugins directory should work. Their homepage is... http://sourceforge.net/projects/mplayerplug-in/ I'm building mplayerplug-in right now. If it doesn't work, I'll try mozplugger. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 21:22:25 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:22:25 -0400 Subject: Anyone have cnn.com videos working in linux? In-Reply-To: <20050924181725.GA13169-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050923234302.GA31007@waltdnes.org> <1127533231l.5873l.0l@localhost.localdomain> <20050924181725.GA13169@waltdnes.org> Message-ID: <20050924212225.GA19570@waltdnes.org> On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 02:17:25PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > There's a package called mplayerplug-in that is available under > portage. It's intended for mozilla, but copying mplayerplug-in.so to > the Firefox plugins directory should work. Their homepage is... > http://sourceforge.net/projects/mplayerplug-in/ > > I'm building mplayerplug-in right now. If it doesn't work, I'll try > mozplugger. 1 step forward, 1 step back. mplayerplug-in got built with gtk1, and Firefox uses gtk2. The error message said something about "Toolkit Mismatch error". Closing the CNN player window crashes Firefox every time. Anyhow, I've now added "gtk2" to my USE variable (a Gentoo setting) and "emerge --pretend --verbose" indicates that gtk2 would be used. I'll run "emerge --newuse --update --world" while I'm at it, and try to get all my apps on the same page. I think that XMMS is gtk1-only so it'll stay that way. A few minutes later... only mplayerplug-in had to be rebuilt. It works... sort-of. The clip plays... and plays... and plays. I've found that if I close the CNN video-selection window, the mplayer plugin exits when the current clip finishes. The Lake Charles clip is scarey. I started my career with Environment Canada as a weather observer at Cape St James, a little rock (1/2 mile long by 1/4 mile wide) at the southern tip of the Queen Charlottes. Back in 1976 it had human observers, not an autostation. It's on the main stormtrack heading into Vancouver. I saw the occasional "horizontal rain" out there, but nothing like what I saw on the Lake Charles clip. -- Walter Dnes My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 24 23:28:19 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 02:28:19 +0300 (IDT) Subject: How not to support & finance IT + engineering Message-ID: An article that dots the Is imho. Until this tide changes, imho, the only progress in computing can come from open source, low cost software, which is not affected by idiotic 'market based' decisions. And this tide has not changed since the dot com bust. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/10/palm_os_futures_past/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 25 06:07:42 2005 From: rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 02:07:42 -0400 Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c5c197$7116cfb0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Hi Chris, I am looking for a family web site that could handle things like a family tree, a photo alblum and password protection. Those are the main things - some extras that would be nice would be a calendar, email accounts with the family name domain name, link area and a blog. I have Mambo running on my server but it does not do anything close to a photo alblum. It also should be very easy for people to use. Paul, thanks for recommending the drupal.org site. From there I found that tufat.com has a family tree builder which I wonder if I could easily plug into packages on the same site. Thanks, Robert > I just got back from a Kennedy family reunion in Ottawa where I > volunteered to set up a web site for us. Anyone familiar with a > package that I can install on a web server? I am running MySQL, PHP > and Apache on RH9. Commercial examples are myfamily.com and > yourfamilywebsite.info. What features do you want, and why do you need a package for it? -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================== Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach, 2005, Apress -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 25 12:26:39 2005 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:26:39 -0400 Subject: Xfree86 and vnc wouldn't start Message-ID: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> Hopefully this will save some people some time: Xfree86 and vnc wouldn't start. The vnc logs in ~/.vnc showed the following: ===================================================== Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list! Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' ===================================================== Much Googling identified that problem might be artwiz-cursor and xfonts-artwiz packages. Removing them solved the problem. I also had X.org installed and running fine but vnc includes it's own mini Xfree86, the Xfree86 font problem had to be solved. Anthony Tekatch http://unihedron.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 25 16:15:02 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:15:02 -0400 Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: <000001c5c197$7116cfb0$1902a8c0-B7WYQ2cLakwWhyVFc8JwjA@public.gmane.org> References: <000001c5c197$7116cfb0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4336CD06.2020604@interlog.com> Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > I am looking for a family web site that could handle things like a > family tree, a photo alblum and password protection. One of the best photo album type items I have found for use on a web site is "Gallery". Your web server needs to support PHP. The web site for Gallery is http://gallery.menalto.com/. It can be embedded in several different CMS. I have used Gallery with both PHPnuke and PostNuke CMS in the past. The web site indicates it can even be embedded in Mambo. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 03:07:52 2005 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (lfeder) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:07:52 -0400 Subject: Bypass Symaptico SMTP Message-ID: I am using Sympatico, but now I want to send out email and not use Symaptico SMTP. I know I can always use a webmail like Hotmail or Yahoo, and this will work. However, I need to use email and email clients on the PC.(Evolution/Thunderbird whatever) The only ways I can figure on getting around Bells port 25 filtering is to make a RDP or VNC or VPN connection to another remote machine on a different network and then use that PC or network to send email. Is there an easier way? /teddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The question is, I want to >pull hda without leaving myself in an unbootable state. The boot >loader is grub. Any suggestions? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 03:21:00 2005 From: lfeder-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (lfeder) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:21:00 -0400 Subject: vger1.dyndns.org and gallery2 In-Reply-To: <4336CD06.2020604-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <4336CD06.2020604@interlog.com> Message-ID: http://vger1.dyndns.org/ http://vger1.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php This is one of my main linux servers at home. The picture database I use is Gallery2. The latest version of the Gallery. Be sure when using the Gallery to goto the second And third pages for more albums. As you can tell, they are mostly 4MB digital camera pixs I take while cycling around town. (1012 pix so far). I used to take good digital pix, but ever since I realized it costs me nothing, I don't bother looking for the 'perfect shot' anymore. The Jukebox is not password-protected. 6500+ mp3s? Currently, but this will change if needed. And be sure to sign the Guestbook! /teddy -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Cozens Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:15 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: family web site software Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > I am looking for a family web site that could handle things like a > family tree, a photo alblum and password protection. One of the best photo album type items I have found for use on a web site is "Gallery". Your web server needs to support PHP. The web site for Gallery is http://gallery.menalto.com/. It can be embedded in several different CMS. I have used Gallery with both PHPnuke and PostNuke CMS in the past. The web site indicates it can even be embedded in Mambo. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 03:41:03 2005 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sept 27th. NewTLUG meeting: Building a Linux Personal Video Recorder using MythTV +++ (reminder) Message-ID: This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Sept 27th., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. **Important** all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ) preferably, before Monday Sept 26. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: please email Paul Mora to pre-register Date: Tues Sept 27th. Time: 7-10pm Presenter: 1) Paul Mora Paul is a Linux instructor with IBM IT Education Services. In addition to teaching the masses about the wonders of Linux, he also participates in some course development, and the odd programming assignment. Paul has the ability to explain complex topics in a clear and easy to understand way. 2) TBA Topic: 1) Building a Linux Personal Video Recorder using MythTV 2) TBA - likely - questions and answers Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 03:56:20 2005 From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:56:20 -0400 Subject: Bypass Symaptico SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/25/05, lfeder wrote: > I am using Sympatico, but now I want to send out email and not use Symaptico > SMTP. > > I know I can always use a webmail like Hotmail or Yahoo, and this will work. > > However, I need to use email and email clients on the > PC.(Evolution/Thunderbird whatever) > > The only ways I can figure on getting around Bells port 25 filtering is to > make a RDP or VNC or VPN connection to another remote machine on a different > network and then use that PC or network to send email. > Is there an easier way? I don't know about "easier," but if you can locate a relay that will accept connections on some port other than 25, that may work. Port 465 is evidently the "standard" port for ssmtp (secure SMTP); it's worth looking for relays on that port. Open relays tend to be a bad thing, but this does not force authenticating relays to be a Force For Evil... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 05:08:37 2005 From: gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:08:37 -0400 Subject: family web site software In-Reply-To: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0-B7WYQ2cLakwWhyVFc8JwjA@public.gmane.org> References: <000001c5c0ed$056f0070$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1127711317.32166.8.camel@athlon.gwlan.net> On Sat, 2005-09-24 at 05:47 -0400, Robert F. Kennedy wrote: > Hello, > > I just got back from a Kennedy family reunion in Ottawa where I > volunteered to set up a web site for us. Anyone familiar with a package > that I can install on a web server? I am running MySQL, PHP and Apache > on RH9. Commercial examples are myfamily.com and yourfamilywebsite.info. > Thanks for any assistance. > Check out PhpGedView: http://www.phpgedview.net/. I think that it is just what you are looking for. ps. Are you related to William John Kennedy, who married Selena Walters in 1890? -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh-BSvtlmuW8nk at public.gmane.org http://gwalsh.notw.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 13:00:14 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:00:14 -0400 Subject: Bypass Symaptico SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4337F0DE.7040602@rogers.com> lfeder wrote: > > > I am using Sympatico, but now I want to send out email and not use > Symaptico SMTP. > > I know I can always use a webmail like Hotmail or Yahoo, and this will work. > > > > However, I need to use email and email clients on the > PC.(Evolution/Thunderbird whatever) > > > > The only ways I can figure on getting around Bells port 25 filtering is > to make a RDP or VNC or VPN connection to another remote machine on a > different network and then use that PC or network to send email. Some ISPs use other port numbers than 25, so that you can access the server from off of their network. For example, Rogers uses 587 and one other, which I don't recall. Others may use IMAP, which might not be blocked by Sympatico (it's not by Rogers). Check with whoever runs the server you want to use. The options might even be listed in their FAQ. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 15:28:17 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:28:17 -0400 Subject: Xfree86 and vnc wouldn't start In-Reply-To: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> Message-ID: <20050926152817.GF28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 08:26:39AM -0400, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > Hopefully this will save some people some time: > > Xfree86 and vnc wouldn't start. > > The vnc logs in ~/.vnc showed the following: > ===================================================== > Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, removing from list! > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > ===================================================== > > Much Googling identified that problem might be artwiz-cursor and > xfonts-artwiz packages. Removing them solved the problem. > > I also had X.org installed and running fine but vnc includes it's own mini > Xfree86, the Xfree86 font problem had to be solved. Here is the debian irc channel's standard response when someone says X can't find the font 'fixed: 11:25 fixed 11:25 if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix So if your distribution has a package called xfonts-base or xfonts or something similar, make sure it is installed. rceng02:/var/www/debian386/kernel-source-2.6.8-16-486-rr_1# cat /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias |grep fixed fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 etc... That is where the font named 'fixed' comes from. Without it, X won't run. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 26 17:54:33 2005 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:54:33 -0400 Subject: Xfree86 and vnc wouldn't start In-Reply-To: <20050926152817.GF28567-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> <20050926152817.GF28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050926135433.15c4c368@pino> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:28:17 -0400, lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > Here is the debian irc channel's standard response when someone says X > can't find the font 'fixed: That's almost exactly what X says after it crashes! Damn robots!! > 11:25 fixed > 11:25 if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, > see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure > xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix I looked for /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz , it did not exist, probably in some DOC package that did not get installed by default. > So if your distribution has a package called xfonts-base or xfonts or > something similar, make sure it is installed. I tried removing and re-installing that and more, no luck just more time wasted. > rceng02:/var/www/debian386/kernel-source-2.6.8-16-486-rr_1# cat > /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias |grep fixed > fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 > etc... > > That is where the font named 'fixed' comes from. > > Without it, X won't run. The misc directory was in place. It was the artwiz-cursor package junk that somehow did something to make that misc font unreadable. I know that's not much help, just another thing to try. Anthony Tekatch http://unihedron.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 04:57:45 2005 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:57:45 -0400 Subject: Open Office PDF Out Message-ID: <20050927005745.69b6559c.hgibson@eol.ca> Has anyone tried the PDF output of Open Office 1.1.2? I hit the PDF button at the top of the screen, and got an output very different from what I get when I print to the PDF device. The main problem is that the PDF button does not know how to handle PostScript objects. I get the EPSI preview embedded in my PDF file, although the PostScript object prints properly. If I print to the PDF device, I get the PostScript object properly embedded in my file. It looks like Adobe Acrobat 7 compresses output to the printer a bit. The fonts and the page are noticeably squished. XPDF's output looks like printer output straight out of Open Office. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From csmillie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 12:32:29 2005 From: csmillie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Colin Smillie) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:32:29 -0400 Subject: Open Office PDF Out In-Reply-To: <20050927005745.69b6559c.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050927005745.69b6559c.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: On 9/27/05, Howard Gibson wrote: > > Has anyone tried the PDF output of Open Office 1.1.2? > > I hit the PDF button at the top of the screen, and got an output very > different from what I get when I print to the PDF device. The main problem > is that the PDF button does not know how to handle PostScript objects. I get > the EPSI preview embedded in my PDF file, although the PostScript object > prints properly. If I print to the PDF device, I get the PostScript object > properly embedded in my file. I think this is to be expected. The PS processor is probably located in the print function and not the save as PDF. I've used the save as PDF alot and never really noticed any problems. I'm not using PS at all though. Colin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 13:21:56 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:21:56 -0400 Subject: Odd interactions Message-ID: A while ago I was pointed at 'apmd' as a way of getting Debian shutdown to turn off the computer. Within the past few days it stopped working in what seems like an odd sequence of events. Just before it failed, I had installed a package of ALSA utilities, which dragged in 'udev' as a dependency. That started giving me messages late in the shutdown process about tmpfs (tempfs?) being busy. Unexpectedly, removing the ALSA stuff and 'udev' did not clear up the problem. I then removed and reinstalled the 'apmd' package and, after the next reboot, everything was back to working fine. 1) I thought people might find this interesting if anything similar happens to them. 2) I assume there's a bug in this scenario somewhere, but I'm not sure if it's in 'udev', 'apmd', Debian or something else. Any reporting suggestions? ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 14:17:00 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: Open Office PDF Out Message-ID: I can export open office files to PDF without problem. Not sure other file types. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Howard Gibson Sent: September 27, 2005 12:58 AM To: Toronto Linux User's Group Subject: [TLUG]: Open Office PDF Out Has anyone tried the PDF output of Open Office 1.1.2? I hit the PDF button at the top of the screen, and got an output very different from what I get when I print to the PDF device. The main problem is that the PDF button does not know how to handle PostScript objects. I get the EPSI preview embedded in my PDF file, although the PostScript object prints properly. If I print to the PDF device, I get the PostScript object properly embedded in my file. It looks like Adobe Acrobat 7 compresses output to the printer a bit. The fonts and the page are noticeably squished. XPDF's output looks like printer output straight out of Open Office. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:4338dbb212165845516768! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Other skills that are absolutely necessary: Strong knowledge of PHP 5 Understanding of Object Oriented Programming MySQL 4.x (including 4.1's extensions) programming Working knowledge of linux (mostly Debian, but some RH) Skills that would be useful: Apache2 Perl Other SQL based DBs MySQL administration phpMyAdmin Postfix MTA C/C++ A successful candidate would be a highly motivated, and organized individual, who enjoys programming. Communication skills, and professional manner will also be essential. Please forward a resume and cover letter to me directly at james-HlCCDKbyXtVcxFS+bPV8GQ at public.gmane.org Also, feel free to contact me regarding the position at 647-828-8718. Or see a very old version of our website at http://www.sitemafia.com Please note, the reason for not updating our own site is because we've been too busy since the release of that one in '03. That's why we're looking for you! 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Alex Thank you in advance. > > Charles > > -- > "A word to the wise: a credentials dicksize war is usually a bad idea on > the > net." > (David Parsons in c.o.l.development.system, about coding in C.) > > > -- ---------- Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Randy Alex > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Charles > > > > -- > > "A word to the wise: a credentials dicksize war is usually a bad idea on > > the > > net." > > (David Parsons in c.o.l.development.system, about coding in C.) > > > > > > > > > -- > ---------- > Linux, Firefox and GMail .. what a combination. -- "It is more difficult for a rich son of a bitch to enter heaven than to piss through the eye of a needle" Ephraim Gursky -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 20:09:23 2005 From: jamesgolick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James Golick) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:09:23 -0400 Subject: Hosting Provider Suggestions In-Reply-To: <17c359fc05092713003ea5943d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <873bnqmsuw.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <17c359fc05092713003ea5943d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ab2da82050927130919f245a4@mail.gmail.com> I have been with http://unixshell.com for a long time now. I am now exploring other options. It is a fantastic solution for test environments, and low budget situations where you need more flexibility, since you can get root for $9.99/month. However, for mission critical implementations, I would strongly advise against it, for the reason that it is very tempramental. I have several VPS's with them, on several of their boxes, and I'll tell you, I get VERY inconsistent service. Often IO is so slow, that I can barely access my sites. I am trying http://upscalehost.com right now. As I understand it, they are resellers of iweb.ca . I will post my results in this thread, when my box is built. James On 9/27/05, Leigh Honeywell wrote: > > On 9/27/05, Charles philip Chan wrote: > > Hello all: > > > > I would like some recommendations for a cheap, but reliable hosting > > provider that provides a full LAMP environment. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Charles > > I've been super happy with http://moonbase.info/ for a cPanel hoster. > > For a more DIY kind of thing, http://unixshell.com is neat. > > -- > Leigh Honeywell > http://hypatia.ca > ============ > nyetwork group > http://nyetwork.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Often IO is > so slow, that I can barely access my sites. Thank you for the warning. However, it does look like a nice toy to play around with. :-) Charles -- printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: Flex. Ttttt...\n", DRV_NAME); linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/wan/dscc4.c -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be most interesting (in a somewhat unfortunate way :-() if there was a hiccup this week, as the principal is presently in Europe... -- http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." -- Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 20:29:01 2005 From: sripley-tEgVCpFVbvtSwrhanM7KvQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Ripley) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:29:01 -0700 Subject: Hosting Provider Suggestions In-Reply-To: <200509271623.03259.scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg@public.gmane.org> References: <200509271623.03259.scott@scottripley.com> Message-ID: hey all, i know it's a US company... but: http://www.cihost.com/?zone=products/dedicated_hosting_unix offers a dedicated server for ~$99 USD / month (they'll likely waive setup fees if you pre-pay for a year...) Scott -----Original Message----- Subject: [TLUG]: Hosting Provider Suggestions Date: Tuesday 27 September 2005 11:29 From: "Charles philip Chan" To: TLUG-list Hello all: I would like some recommendations for a cheap, but reliable hosting provider that provides a full LAMP environment. Thank you in advance. Charles -- "A word to the wise: a credentials dicksize war is usually a bad idea on the net." (David Parsons in c.o.l.development.system, about coding in C.) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Scott C. Ripley Tel: 01.416.738.6357 Deucalion Technologies Fax: 01.416.201.8922 614A The Queensway http://www.scottripley.com Etobicoke, ON, M8Y 1K1 mailto:scott-VK/PCEBaDz+N9aS15agKxg at public.gmane.org CANADA The content of this electronic mail transmission is confidential. This transmission is intended solely for the use by the person(s) to whom it was addressed. All other recipients are hereby notified that any use, copying, dissemination, or disclosure of this information is strictly prohibited. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 21:18:50 2005 From: Chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org (Chris Friedt) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:18:50 -0400 Subject: samba in wide-scale usage Message-ID: Hi everyone, This is addressed to anyone out there using samba in a WIDE SCALE. i.e. anyone using a class B subnet or greater, which links up two hundred or so computers of differing OS's I'm asking because we may be hosting some multi-platform access to existing 'network drives' and printers. I vaguely recall that Samba can automatically supply the correct network printer driver based on the client OS, but one of the people higher up have said that security is an issue with Samba. Has anyone been able to look at the security aspects of Samba in great(er) detail? ~/Chris ______________________________ Christopher Friedt Ryerson University Computing & Communication Services (416) 979-5000 x6831 chfriedt-0jnyayh6ARPqzrOJbVgLALDks+cytr/Z at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 27 22:44:22 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:44:22 +0300 (IDT) Subject: Hosting Provider Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <873bnqmsuw.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> <17c359fc05092713003ea5943d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Christopher Browne wrote: > Interesting; I know them... > > It would be most interesting (in a somewhat unfortunate way :-() if > there was a hiccup this week, as the principal is presently in > Europe... Along the same lines, what are people's experiences for freeshell.org used as informal host ? (low traffic but feature rich pages, cgi etc) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 02:57:30 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Sep 2005 22:57:30 -0400 Subject: samba in wide-scale usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Chris Friedt" writes: > Hi everyone, > > This is addressed to anyone out there using samba in a WIDE SCALE. > > i.e. anyone using a class B subnet or greater, which links up two > hundred or so computers of differing OS's One of our clients has Samba servers in 30 branch offices across the country, linked by VPNS, with a total of about 250 users. > I'm asking because we may be hosting some multi-platform access to > existing 'network drives' and printers. What do you mean by 'multi-platform'? Just different version of Windows or a mix of Windows, Linux, proprietary UNIX, Mac, etc.? I ask because I generally wouldn't recommend Samba as a solution for Linux and UNIX file sharing primarily because it doesn't support the UNIX permission model well. > I vaguely recall that Samba can automatically supply the correct > network printer driver based on the client OS, Yes, for Windows printer drivers, although it's been a while since I've done this. > but one of the people higher up have said that security is an issue with > Samba. That's a pretty vague statement. Windows networking (SMB/CIFS) is full of security issues. Samba has equivalent functionality and arguably a better security track record than the native Windows solutions. If you must go with Windows networking, Samba is a good solution (better than the native Windows solutions, IMO). Having said that, I wouldn't recommend you use Windows networking if security is a significant concern. I definitely wouldn't use Samba (or Windows SMB) file services to deliver files over the Internet or in a public access environment, such as a library. > Has anyone been able to look at the security aspects of Samba in > great(er) detail? I hope the above was helpful. I would need to know a lot more about your application to be able to help further. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 03:05:57 2005 From: imranqau-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Imran .) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:05:57 +0000 Subject: Rich Text Editor Message-ID: hi all, as part of my regular work, i have to compose graphical email messages. On Hotmail and Yahoo, on IE i can use this feature. When i checked their help it said "sorry, we do not provide this feature for Netscape". Is there any way that i can use this feature on Linux (Firefox, Mozilla, Konquerer). or is there any other email service for Linux that provides similar functionality. regards, Imran. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 04:33:22 2005 From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:33:22 -0400 Subject: Flash player on x86_64? In-Reply-To: <20050926135433.15c4c368@pino> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> <20050926152817.GF28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050926135433.15c4c368@pino> Message-ID: <433A1D12.6060705@telly.org> Hi all, Most things are working well on a newly installed Athlon 64 system (the latest Ubuntu gave me install errors but Mandriva loaded without a hitch...) I notice that Macromedia does not make a 64-bit version of Flash player though they say it can be used on a 64-but OS using a 32-bit browser. It's my understanding that Firefox still runs in 32-bit mode, so it should be able to satisfy the above requirement. Yet they Flash install script aborts, saying: > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > Macromedia Flash Player installer. Can I safely mangle the scripts to override this, or will the resulting setup be unusable? Has anyone else tried this? In any case, how usable is the open source Flash player? - Evan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 04:38:06 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:38:06 -0400 Subject: Flash player on x86_64? In-Reply-To: <433A1D12.6060705-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> <20050926135433.15c4c368@pino> <433A1D12.6060705@telly.org> Message-ID: <200509280038.07141.marc@lijour.net> On September 28, 2005 00:33, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Hi all, > > Most things are working well on a newly installed Athlon 64 system (the > latest Ubuntu gave me install errors but Mandriva loaded without a > hitch...) > > I notice that Macromedia does not make a 64-bit version of Flash player > though they say it can be used on a 64-but OS using a 32-bit browser. > > It's my understanding that Firefox still runs in 32-bit mode, so it > should be able to satisfy the above requirement. Yet they Flash install > > script aborts, saying: > > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > > Macromedia Flash Player installer. > > Can I safely mangle the scripts to override this, or will the resulting > setup be unusable? Has anyone else tried this? > > In any case, how usable is the open source Flash player? The trick is this: if you want to use a 32-bit plugin it is ok but you need the 32-bit core binaries to do that. Make sure you install the 32 bit version of the package on you amd64. > > - Evan > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 04:46:26 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:46:26 -0400 Subject: Flash player on x86_64? In-Reply-To: <200509280038.07141.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> <433A1D12.6060705@telly.org> <200509280038.07141.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <200509280046.26498.marc@lijour.net> On September 28, 2005 00:38, Marc Lijour wrote: > On September 28, 2005 00:33, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Most things are working well on a newly installed Athlon 64 system (the > > latest Ubuntu gave me install errors but Mandriva loaded without a > > hitch...) > > > > I notice that Macromedia does not make a 64-bit version of Flash player > > though they say it can be used on a 64-but OS using a 32-bit browser. > > > > It's my understanding that Firefox still runs in 32-bit mode, so it > > should be able to satisfy the above requirement. Yet they Flash install > > > > script aborts, saying: > > > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > > > Macromedia Flash Player installer. > > > > Can I safely mangle the scripts to override this, or will the resulting > > setup be unusable? Has anyone else tried this? > > > > In any case, how usable is the open source Flash player? > > The trick is this: if you want to use a 32-bit plugin it is ok but you need > the 32-bit core binaries to do that. Make sure you install the 32 bit > version of the package on you amd64. I checked back on Konqueror and it should be able to run the plugin as it starts it as a subprocess. > > > - Evan > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 13:27:54 2005 From: zhunt-KdxWn004MjY at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:27:54 -0500 Subject: Rich Text Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433A9A5A.3040505@zee4.com> Imran . wrote: > hi all, > > as part of my regular work, i have to compose graphical email > messages. On Hotmail and Yahoo, on IE i can use this feature. When i > checked their help it said "sorry, we do not provide this feature for > Netscape". > > Is there any way that i can use this feature on Linux (Firefox, > Mozilla, Konquerer). or is there any other email service for Linux > that provides similar functionality. > regards, > Imran. > Google's Gmail has a rich text editor interface that works great in Firefox. If you'd like I can email you an invite. Zoltan -- www.YYZTech.ca Toronto talks tech. www.Dine.TO Toronto's premier restaurant search engine. Get Thunderbird -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 12:50:28 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:50:28 -0400 Subject: Open Office PDF Out In-Reply-To: References: <20050927005745.69b6559c.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <433A9194.2050501@sympatico.ca> Colin Smillie wrote: > > I think this is to be expected. The PS processor is probably located in > the print function and not the save as PDF. No, OO creates PDF through Ghostscript, so any embedded EPS should be rendered. I do remember a few versions of OO that only printed the EPS preview, dunno if it has been fixed later. cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-7VGveLnaG5PbQjhCxjW6FA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 13:25:16 2005 From: lsorense-7VGveLnaG5PbQjhCxjW6FA at public.gmane.org (Len Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:25:16 -0400 Subject: Flash player on x86_64? In-Reply-To: <433A1D12.6060705-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050925082639.6e1fb22f@pino> <20050926152817.GF28567@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050926135433.15c4c368@pino> <433A1D12.6060705@telly.org> Message-ID: <20050928132516.GA23535@harlan.tinyplanet.ca> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 12:33:22AM -0400, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > Most things are working well on a newly installed Athlon 64 system (the > latest Ubuntu gave me install errors but Mandriva loaded without a hitch...) > > I notice that Macromedia does not make a 64-bit version of Flash player > though they say it can be used on a 64-but OS using a 32-bit browser. > > It's my understanding that Firefox still runs in 32-bit mode, so it > should be able to satisfy the above requirement. Yet they Flash install > script aborts, saying: > > > ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the > > Macromedia Flash Player installer. > > Can I safely mangle the scripts to override this, or will the resulting > setup be unusable? Has anyone else tried this? > > In any case, how usable is the open source Flash player? Well if you run a debian based distribution, installing the flash package from marillat's archive in your 32bit chroot is simple and just works. If you want to install a 32bit only program while running a 64bit kernel you need the linux32 utility (which intercepts calls to uname for checking architecture and returns i686 instead of x86_64). So for example: bash# linux32 flashplayersetup Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jweissig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 17:13:43 2005 From: jweissig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Justin Weissig) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:13:43 -0700 Subject: samba in wide-scale usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <217ddce0050928101377c09562@mail.gmail.com> I have implemented Samba in a medium sized office for about 200 people. Mainly used as home directory (H drive) and mass storage for a windows 2000/XP network. Items you will want to research: Samba ACL - Allows you to use complex (i.e. many users & groups per file) windows permissions using the Linux file system. ( http://www.google.ca/search?q=samba+ACL ) Samba winbind - allows Samba to access the domain controllers for authentication. This also allows domain users to login to the machine using their domain accounts, pretty cool. ( http://www.google.ca/search?q=samba+winbind ) I would suggest setting up a test box with Samba + ACL + winbind and see how it works with your network. - Justin On 27 Sep 2005 22:57:30 -0400, Tim Writer wrote: > "Chris Friedt" writes: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > This is addressed to anyone out there using samba in a WIDE SCALE. > > > > i.e. anyone using a class B subnet or greater, which links up two > > hundred or so computers of differing OS's > > One of our clients has Samba servers in 30 branch offices across the country, > linked by VPNS, with a total of about 250 users. > > > I'm asking because we may be hosting some multi-platform access to > > existing 'network drives' and printers. > > What do you mean by 'multi-platform'? Just different version of Windows or a > mix of Windows, Linux, proprietary UNIX, Mac, etc.? I ask because I generally > wouldn't recommend Samba as a solution for Linux and UNIX file sharing > primarily because it doesn't support the UNIX permission model well. > > > I vaguely recall that Samba can automatically supply the correct > > network printer driver based on the client OS, > > Yes, for Windows printer drivers, although it's been a while since I've done > this. > > > but one of the people higher up have said that security is an issue with > > Samba. > > That's a pretty vague statement. Windows networking (SMB/CIFS) is full of > security issues. Samba has equivalent functionality and arguably a better > security track record than the native Windows solutions. If you must go with > Windows networking, Samba is a good solution (better than the native Windows > solutions, IMO). > > Having said that, I wouldn't recommend you use Windows networking if security > is a significant concern. I definitely wouldn't use Samba (or Windows SMB) > file services to deliver files over the Internet or in a public access > environment, such as a library. > > > Has anyone been able to look at the security aspects of Samba in > > great(er) detail? > > I hope the above was helpful. I would need to know a lot more about your > application to be able to help further. > > -- > tim writer starnix inc. > 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 18:16:48 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:16:48 -0400 Subject: Rich Text Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433ADE10.7040806@interlog.com> Imran . wrote: > Is there any way that i can use this feature on Linux (Firefox, Mozilla, > Konquerer). or is there any other email service for Linux that provides > similar functionality. Look at the list of available extensions for Mozilla and for FireFox. One of them (I don't remember its name) is supposed to let web servers think you are running a different browser than you really are. You would be able to have your browser tell the servers you are running IE when you are not. As long as the remote site doesn't want to use a browser plug-in unique to IE you should be ok. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 18:29:00 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:29:00 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know if the D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter (802.11g/b) works in Ubuntu?? Future Shop is selling it WITH a D-Link wireless router (DI-524) for $69.99CDN after rebate... Sale ends tomorrow! :-O I don't need the router right now but would gladly get the combo package if the adapter works in Ubuntu. Thanks very much for any help. -Steve. -- Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 18:53:48 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:53:48 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Steve wrote: > Does anyone know if the D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter (802.11g/b) works > in Ubuntu?? > > Future Shop is selling it WITH a D-Link wireless router (DI-524) for > $69.99CDN after rebate... Sale ends tomorrow! :-O > > I don't need the router right now but would gladly get the combo > package if the adapter works in Ubuntu. > > Thanks very much for any help. If it is a DWL-G122 rev A[1 or 2 or whatever] it uses a (I believe) unpuported version of the prism chipset. ndiswrapper might work, but then again it likely won't. If it is revision B (at least b1) it is a ralink2500usb and should work with the GPL drivers for ralink 2400/2500 series chips.A See http://ralink.rapla.net/ for links to driver sources and such. I haven't used it, I just report my findings. :) Dlink is just one of those companies that changes the internals completely while leaving the packaging and name the same. I guess some companies want to buy a specific model for consistency and still get burned by this kind of rather unreasonable behaviour by dlink (and I think linksys does it too). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price at utoronto.ca Wed Sep 28 19:01:58 2005 From: matt.price at utoronto.ca (Matt Price) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Subject: automatically partition disk as in deb-installer? Message-ID: <20050928190158.GA7551@utoronto.ca> Hi, I'm installing debian on a bunch of old hard drives and am looking for a way to automate the install process, including partitioning drives. I thought all the hard drives were idenical, but they appear not to be, and I'm having trouble with the (very simple) script I was using to copy the old filesystem. Here's what I've done: -------------------------------- # set 2 variables SYSARCHIVE=gnomefs.tar MBR=gnomebr ################# # copy original ################# mount /dev/hde1 /mnt/hde cd /mnt/hde dd if=/dev/hde of=/var/scratch/$MBR bs=446 count=1 tar -cpvv --file=/var/scratch/$SYSARCHIVE * sfdisk -d /dev/hdf > /var/scratch/hde.out ####################### # restore to new disk ###################### # write mbr dd if=/var/scratch/$MBR of=/dev/hdf bs=446 count=1 # partition drive cat /var/scratch/hde.out | sfdisk --force -f /dev/hdf # make filesystems mkfs.ext3 -L / /dev/hdf1 mkswap /dev/hdf5 # mount drives mount /dev/hdf1 /mnt/hdf # untar archive cd /mnt/hdf tar -xvvf /var/scratch/$SYSARCHIVE --------------------------------- The script seems to work fine at first, and when I run it the files untar to the appropriate location. however, sfdisk complains that the partitions don't end at the end of a cylinder, so I introduced the --force option, which seemed to work... Then when I try to throw the drivei n a new box and boot, I get some crazy error with GRUB, where it just keeps printing GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB over and over again. So: obviously I'm doing something wrong. One thought I had was to skip the sfdisk stuff altogether, which looks to me like dangerous black magic, and try to partition the new diks some other way. Debian-nstaller does a great job of automatically deciding how to partition a drive, and I wondered if I could access that partitioner somehow, feed it some options, and have the disk partitioned non-interactively. Or if there's some other way to automate teh whole process properly... Please let me know what you think. Thanks as always! matt -------------------------- .''`. Matt Price : :' : Debian User `. `'` & hemi-geek `- -------------------------- if you're an evil spambot, these addresses are for you: aardvark at derailleur.org, zeus at derailleur.org From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 19:29:08 2005 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rich Text Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Imran . wrote: > hi all, > > as part of my regular work, i have to compose graphical email messages. On > Hotmail and Yahoo, on IE i can use this feature. When i checked their help > it said "sorry, we do not provide this feature for Netscape". > > Is there any way that i can use this feature on Linux (Firefox, Mozilla, > Konquerer). or is there any other email service for Linux that provides > similar functionality. There should be a greasemonkey script to fix that problem for both Hotmail and Yahoo! Look around here: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/ behdad > regards, > Imran. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > --behdad http://behdad.org/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:00:59 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:00:59 -0400 Subject: Rich Text Editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/27/05, Imran . wrote: > as part of my regular work, i have to compose graphical email messages. On > Hotmail and Yahoo, on IE i can use this feature. When i checked their help > it said "sorry, we do not provide this feature for Netscape". If we can believe what we read on Slashdot, Yahoo! Mail is going to be getting a makeover of Gmail-ish proportions in the very near future. It's going to look/work like Thunderbird/OE and, since Yahoo! has been releasing official Firefox toolbars, we can only assume that this new interface will be somewhat standards-compliant. As for Hotmail, you're probably out of luck. I can recommend switching to FastMail - not only does it have a Firefox-compatible rich text editor (and IMAP that they encourage you to use), but it has the ability to check Hotmail accounts and you can set up "personalities" that will change your From: header at will. You'll just have to readjust to having only 10MB of storage. ;) Regards, Mike -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:07:52 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:07:52 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20050928185348.GA20109-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9/28/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Steve wrote: > > Does anyone know if the D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter (802.11g/b) works > > in Ubuntu?? > > > > Future Shop is selling it WITH a D-Link wireless router (DI-524) for > > $69.99CDN after rebate... Sale ends tomorrow! :-O > > > > I don't need the router right now but would gladly get the combo > > package if the adapter works in Ubuntu. > > > > Thanks very much for any help. > > If it is a DWL-G122 rev A[1 or 2 or whatever] it uses a (I believe) > unpuported version of the prism chipset. ndiswrapper might work, but > then again it likely won't. > > If it is revision B (at least b1) it is a ralink2500usb and should work > with the GPL drivers for ralink 2400/2500 series chips.A > > See http://ralink.rapla.net/ for links to driver sources and such. > > I haven't used it, I just report my findings. :) > > Dlink is just one of those companies that changes the internals > completely while leaving the packaging and name the same. I guess some > companies want to buy a specific model for consistency and still get > burned by this kind of rather unreasonable behaviour by dlink (and I > think linksys does it too). > > Lennart Sorensen Lennart, Thanks for the info. I assume that the DWL-122 (802.11b only) with the prism2_usb chipset should work fine then? I've read that someone with the Netgear MA111 (same chipset) got it to work... I can pick up the DWL-122 for $39, so that sounds like a better idea... less $$ *and* less headache. :-) -Steve. -- Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:12:23 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:12:23 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050928201223.GB20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:07:52PM -0400, Steve wrote: > Thanks for the info. I assume that the DWL-122 (802.11b only) with the > prism2_usb chipset should work fine then? I've read that someone with > the Netgear MA111 (same chipset) got it to work... I can pick up the > DWL-122 for $39, so that sounds like a better idea... less $$ *and* > less headache. :-) I wouldn't assume that. Depends on revision in general. Many times dlink changes the chipset on the model to make it cheaper to manufacture. Many prism based devices went from having a hardmac (and linux support) in one revision to a prism with soft mac in the next revision (and hence no linux support), all with the same model number and packaging. Only change was the revision and the updated driver that supported soft and hard mac, and it became cheaper to make. And of course it stopped working with linux. Many companies have done this. You can simply NEVER assume a given device works with linux unless you know that specific model AND revision works with linux. Len Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:17:13 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:17:13 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20050928201223.GB20109-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050928201223.GB20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On 9/28/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:07:52PM -0400, Steve wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I assume that the DWL-122 (802.11b only) with the > > prism2_usb chipset should work fine then? I've read that someone with > > the Netgear MA111 (same chipset) got it to work... I can pick up the > > DWL-122 for $39, so that sounds like a better idea... less $$ *and* > > less headache. :-) > > I wouldn't assume that. Depends on revision in general. Many times > dlink changes the chipset on the model to make it cheaper to > manufacture. Many prism based devices went from having a hardmac (and > linux support) in one revision to a prism with soft mac in the next > revision (and hence no linux support), all with the same model number > and packaging. Only change was the revision and the updated driver that > supported soft and hard mac, and it became cheaper to make. And of > course it stopped working with linux. Many companies have done this. > > You can simply NEVER assume a given device works with linux unless you > know that specific model AND revision works with linux. > > Len Sorensen That's not very nice of them! I will heed your warning and try to get all the info before buying one of their products. So, what do you think of Netgear? :-) Should I spring for the MA111 model? Are they more consistent? Thanks again! -Steve. -- Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:30:17 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:30:17 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050928201223.GB20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > On 9/28/05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >>On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:07:52PM -0400, Steve wrote: >> >>>Thanks for the info. I assume that the DWL-122 (802.11b only) with the >>>prism2_usb chipset should work fine then? I've read that someone with >>>the Netgear MA111 (same chipset) got it to work... I can pick up the >>>DWL-122 for $39, so that sounds like a better idea... less $$ *and* >>>less headache. :-) >> >>I wouldn't assume that. Depends on revision in general. Many times >>dlink changes the chipset on the model to make it cheaper to >>manufacture. Many prism based devices went from having a hardmac (and >>linux support) in one revision to a prism with soft mac in the next >>revision (and hence no linux support), all with the same model number >>and packaging. Only change was the revision and the updated driver that >>supported soft and hard mac, and it became cheaper to make. And of >>course it stopped working with linux. Many companies have done this. >> >>You can simply NEVER assume a given device works with linux unless you >>know that specific model AND revision works with linux. >> >>Len Sorensen > > > That's not very nice of them! I will heed your warning and try to get > all the info before buying one of their products. > > So, what do you think of Netgear? :-) Should I spring for the MA111 > model? Are they more consistent? > > Thanks again! > > -Steve. You'll want to have a look at this page I'd imagine: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 20:35:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050928201223.GB20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050928203559.GC20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:17:13PM -0400, Steve wrote: > That's not very nice of them! I will heed your warning and try to get > all the info before buying one of their products. > > So, what do you think of Netgear? :-) Should I spring for the MA111 > model? Are they more consistent? I wouldn't trust any of the big cheap stuff makers to not change a device without changing the model. I don't have much experience with netgear interface cards so I am not sure how they do for that. linksys and dlink though I know to be careful with. One of the worst examples is the Linksys LNE100TX card. Comes in revisions 1, 2, 4, 4.1, 5 and 5.1. Revision 1 uses one driver, 2 another one, 4 and 4.1 a third driver and 5 and 5.1 a fourth driver. They are completely unrelated chipsets other than being all 10/100tx chips. I think 2 might have been a new generation of the rev 1 chipset, but the rest are certainly from unrelated chip makers. Insanity. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 21:01:25 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:01:25 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20050928203559.GC20109-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050928201223.GB20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050928203559.GC20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 04:17:13PM -0400, Steve wrote: > >>That's not very nice of them! I will heed your warning and try to get >>all the info before buying one of their products. >> >>So, what do you think of Netgear? :-) Should I spring for the MA111 >>model? Are they more consistent? > > > I wouldn't trust any of the big cheap stuff makers to not change a > device without changing the model. > > I don't have much experience with netgear interface cards so I am not > sure how they do for that. linksys and dlink though I know to be > careful with. I purchased a few Netgear 511 pcmcia cards a while back. The only way to tell the difference between the different chipsets between rev.1 & 2 was to see if the card had a Made in Taiwan or Made in China line respectively. Apart from that, the cards were identical on the outside but use different chipsets on the inside. Add Netgear to your list of manufacturers requiring careful research. Jamon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 28 22:24:14 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:14 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: <20050928185348.GA20109-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050928185348.GA20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <433B180E.7070104@interlog.com> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Steve wrote: >Does anyone know if the D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter (802.11g/b) works >in Ubuntu?? [snip] >I don't need the router right now but would gladly get the combo >package if the adapter works in Ubuntu. I picked up one of those packages some months back when they were on sale at Best Buy. Your best bet to get this working is to use NdisWrapper (http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/). It makes the Windows XP drivers (which you can get from the D-Link web site) work in Linux. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 01:07:49 2005 From: jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:07:49 -0400 Subject: Hosting Provider Suggestions In-Reply-To: <873bnqmsuw.fsf-HasXQTlsvt1ah8WM/F5+tg@public.gmane.org> References: <873bnqmsuw.fsf@MagnumOpus.khem> Message-ID: <004401c5c492$35bd12a0$6501a8c0@ATLANTIS> > I would like some recommendations for a cheap, but > reliable hosting provider that provides a full LAMP > environment. I've been using 1and1 for a couple of years now and it's been reliable.. They are pretty cheap too http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/ServerRoot $69 for a root server with either redhat 9, FC2, debian or suse They use to be $49 bucks before and that's still what they are billing me for some reason.. ;) Jeff -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 02:06:25 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:06:25 -0400 Subject: D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter work in Debian/Ubuntu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050929020625.GA5308@grad11.philosophy.utoronto.ca> On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Steve wrote: > Does anyone know if the D-Link DWL-G122 USB Adapter (802.11g/b) works > in Ubuntu?? > > Future Shop is selling it WITH a D-Link wireless router (DI-524) for > $69.99CDN after rebate... Sale ends tomorrow! :-O I bought a D-Link 122 (for 802.11b) USB adapter *specifically* because it was advertised as working with OS X on the Mac. It didn't. After some tussling with it, I went on the Web and found that enough others have had the same experience that there was a site devoted to the subject and an Internet petition for D-Link to refund money on the grounds of false advertising. Well, about nine months later they issued a driver that currently works with OS X (10.3), at least for the moment. But that's nine months too late. I will never buy another D-Link product, period. Do not believe *any* claims the company makes -- even when printed on the package. Don't buy from them. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-4951 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 15:19:33 2005 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:19:33 -0400 Subject: more Alphas to give away Message-ID: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> We have 4 more Alpha machines to give away. Please reply to me directly if you are interested. 3 'Digital Personal Workstation' 433au machines. codename 'Miata'. 21164a Alpha cpus, 433MHz, 256M of ram on 2 of them, 128M on the other. SCSI disks. CDROM. SRM console. Will likely run Linux/Alpha ok (at least in text mode). probably all working, but no OS installed (they were running Tru64). About mid-tower size, but heavy. 1 DEC 3000/500 eg. http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html#500 21064 Alpha cpu, 150MHz, turbochannel bus so will never run Linux, but NetBSD is probably ok. 256M of RAM, has SCSI disks. a large machine - like a full PC case, but much more so. NOT BOOTING. likely a memory error. cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 15:41:21 2005 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:41:21 -0400 Subject: more Alphas to give away In-Reply-To: <20050929151933.GA1976-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <7686312705092908415effa35c@mail.gmail.com> Robin, I wouldnt mind the digital personal workstation. Put me on low priority if no one else wants it. I am eager, very eager, but not greedy. On 9/29/05, Robin Humble wrote: > > > We have 4 more Alpha machines to give away. > > Please reply to me directly if you are interested. > > 3 'Digital Personal Workstation' 433au machines. codename 'Miata'. > 21164a Alpha cpus, 433MHz, 256M of ram on 2 of them, 128M on the other. > SCSI disks. CDROM. SRM console. Will likely run Linux/Alpha ok (at least > in text mode). probably all working, but no OS installed (they were > running Tru64). About mid-tower size, but heavy. > > 1 DEC 3000/500 > eg. http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html#500 > 21064 Alpha cpu, 150MHz, turbochannel bus so will never run Linux, but > NetBSD is probably ok. 256M of RAM, has SCSI disks. > a large machine - like a full PC case, but much more so. > NOT BOOTING. likely a memory error. > > cheers, > robin > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Will likely run Linux/Alpha ok (at least >in text mode). probably all working, but no OS installed (they were >running Tru64). About mid-tower size, but heavy. the 3 miatas are now spoken for. The below beasty is still available. cheers, robin >1 DEC 3000/500 > eg. http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html#500 >21064 Alpha cpu, 150MHz, turbochannel bus so will never run Linux, but >NetBSD is probably ok. 256M of RAM, has SCSI disks. >a large machine - like a full PC case, but much more so. >NOT BOOTING. likely a memory error. > >cheers, >robin >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 18:08:45 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:08:45 -0400 Subject: OpenOffice v2.0 RC1 now available Message-ID: <433C2DAD.2070401@rogers.com> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 18:40:41 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:40:41 -0400 Subject: User authentication and notebooks Message-ID: <433C3529.3090508@rogers.com> I was wondering about user authentication for users with notebook computers. In Windows, a user can log into a domain, or just the computer. Is there something similar with Linux? As I understand, NIS, LDAP and Samba can all be used for domain login. Can any of them also be used for a local login, to the computer? This would be relevant, when a notebook computer is used away from the network. tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 18:55:33 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:55:33 -0400 Subject: laptops for kids for $ 100 In-Reply-To: <20050929162745.GA9029-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050929162745.GA9029@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <433C38A5.8060104@istop.com> "50 percent of cost of today's laptops is in sales promotion, marketing, etc. We have none of that cost. The rest of it is the display ? and we have a lot of expertise working to bring the cost of that down to $35. As for the rest of the parts, at least 75 percent of it is there to support the weight of the operating system?I'm not just picking on Microsoft. This is true of Adobe and others as well. Invariably, next release [of software] is worse than next one? It's gotten so fat, so slow, so obese, so unreliable that it's time to start over and dumb it down with skinny Linux ? skinny open source." More at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1935 zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 16:31:31 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:31:31 -0400 Subject: more Alphas to give away In-Reply-To: <20050929162745.GA9029-Xa+LbO3DC1G2Q0qicKDiVp4VBq8PJc8F@public.gmane.org> References: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050929162745.GA9029@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <433C16E3.7070509@rogers.com> Robin Humble wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:19:33AM -0400, Robin Humble wrote: >>We have 4 more Alpha machines to give away. >> >>Please reply to me directly if you are interested. >> >>3 'Digital Personal Workstation' 433au machines. codename 'Miata'. >>21164a Alpha cpus, 433MHz, 256M of ram on 2 of them, 128M on the other. >>SCSI disks. CDROM. SRM console. Will likely run Linux/Alpha ok (at least >>in text mode). probably all working, but no OS installed (they were >>running Tru64). About mid-tower size, but heavy. > > the 3 miatas are now spoken for. The below beasty is still available. I don't suppose you'd have any AMD-64 systems available? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 18:26:45 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:26:45 -0400 Subject: internet connection sharing over ethernet Message-ID: Hi, I've got a strange question about ethernet in Linux (Ubuntu Debian). I want to know what sort of modifications I need to do to perform the following 2 scenarios (and switch between them occasionally): 1. Current setup (currently working): Linux machine: connected to internet via modem + sharing internet connection over ethernet + running samba server sharing directories --->crossover LAN cable---> winxp client machine. 2. Alternate setup (have not tried this yet): Linux machine: connected to internet via ethernet + running sambe server sharing directories <---crossover LAN cable<--- winxp machine connected to internet. I hope that makes sense. Basically now I connect to internet on the linux machine and that conenction is shared over the ethernet to the winxp client. I want to have the ability to use the winxp machine's internet connection to share to the linux machine over the ethernet sometimes (basically the reverse of the previous). My question is that I have never connected to the net on the linux machine over the ethernet. Will it automatically detect the connection? Do I need to manually change IP setting on the ethernet port? Also, I'm running Firestarter now as my firewall and wish to run it no matter where the internet connection is... will it be automatic or do I need to manually change some things? Thanks for any help... I was planning on just trying it out and experimenting, but if anyone has any pointers that would help a lot before I start! -Steve. -- Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 18:12:44 2005 From: stephen-d-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:12:44 -0400 Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? Message-ID: <433C2E9C.4080307@rogers.com> I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux server. Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on my laptop? Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:20:06 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:20:06 -0400 Subject: laptops for kids for $ 100 In-Reply-To: <433C38A5.8060104-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050929162745.GA9029@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <433C38A5.8060104@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050929202006.GA2628@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:55:33PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > "50 percent of cost of today's laptops is in sales promotion, marketing, > etc. We have none of that cost. The rest of it is the display ? and we > have a lot of expertise working to bring the cost of that down to $35. > As for the rest of the parts, at least 75 percent of it is there to > support the weight of the operating system?I'm not just picking on > Microsoft. This is true of Adobe and others as well. Invariably, next > release [of software] is worse than next one? It's gotten so fat, so > slow, so obese, so unreliable that it's time to start over and dumb it > down with skinny Linux ? skinny open source." > > More at http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1935 Toronto Star has an article on $100 Laptop. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada ThinFlash: Linux thin-client on USB key (flash) drive http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html BashDiff: Super Bash shell http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:24:17 2005 From: rjh-tkNKonCg4laeFQavDyXPBQ at public.gmane.org (Robin Humble) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:24:17 -0400 Subject: more Alphas to give away In-Reply-To: <433C16E3.7070509-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050929151933.GA1976@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <20050929162745.GA9029@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> <433C16E3.7070509@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050929202417.GA2535@lemming.cita.utoronto.ca> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 12:31:31PM -0400, James Knott wrote: >Robin Humble wrote: >> the 3 miatas are now spoken for. The below beasty is still available. >I don't suppose you'd have any AMD-64 systems available? ;-) ah. no. just the old-school 64bit Alpha machines. much the same engineers designed them both though, from what I hear. is that good enough? ;-) cheers, robin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:21:47 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:21:47 -0400 Subject: internet connection sharing over ethernet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050929202147.GD20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:26:45PM -0400, Steve wrote: > I've got a strange question about ethernet in Linux (Ubuntu Debian). I > want to know what sort of modifications I need to do to perform the > following 2 scenarios (and switch between them occasionally): > > 1. Current setup (currently working): Linux machine: connected to > internet via modem + sharing internet connection over ethernet + > running samba server sharing directories --->crossover LAN cable---> > winxp client machine. > > 2. Alternate setup (have not tried this yet): Linux machine: connected > to internet via ethernet + running sambe server sharing directories > <---crossover LAN cable<--- winxp machine connected to internet. > > I hope that makes sense. Basically now I connect to internet on the > linux machine and that conenction is shared over the ethernet to the > winxp client. I want to have the ability to use the winxp machine's > internet connection to share to the linux machine over the ethernet > sometimes (basically the reverse of the previous). My question is that > I have never connected to the net on the linux machine over the > ethernet. Will it automatically detect the connection? Do I need to > manually change IP setting on the ethernet port? Also, I'm running > Firestarter now as my firewall and wish to run it no matter where the > internet connection is... will it be automatic or do I need to > manually change some things? > > Thanks for any help... I was planning on just trying it out and > experimenting, but if anyone has any pointers that would help a lot > before I start! Well you will have to at least change the default gateway setting on the linux system when you change since you can only have one. When a ppp link comes up it adds a default route over the ppp link. If you want to connect through windows, you have to add a default route to the windows machine for the ethernet, and then remove it again before you can use the ppp link. Rather a pain I would think. You could always make a script for ppp that deletes the ethernet gateway when it connects and re adds it when it disconnects using ip-up/ip-down scripts for ppp. Then it might not be too much work. As for what the windows machine would have to do I have no idea. I don't believe windows machiens are allowed direct links to the internet. They must be behind a none windows based firewall with a non routeable ip. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:23:42 2005 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:23:42 -0400 Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? Message-ID: I use cygwin, start it, type "startx" then any app I'd use locally works same (actually better since higher res on laptop Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca For those who just want it to work... Giving you complete IT peace of mind. (Sent via Blackberry) PIN 30073084 (as of May 9,2005) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: TO Linux User Group Sent: Thu Sep 29 14:12:44 2005 Subject: [TLUG]: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux server. Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on my laptop? Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:17:51 2005 From: DKreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:17:51 -0400 Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? Message-ID: <333C4802564C8A4D95F96376ED11830E487239@r2d2.coleo.com> You can run the vnc server on linux and use the vnc client or browser interface from your windows and other workstations. David -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org on behalf of Stephen Sent: Thu 9/29/2005 2:12 PM To: TO Linux User Group Subject: [TLUG]: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux server. Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on my laptop? Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2900 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:24:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:24:03 -0400 Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? In-Reply-To: <433C2E9C.4080307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <433C2E9C.4080307@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050929202403.GE20109@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:12:44PM -0400, Stephen wrote: > I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux > server. > > Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on > my laptop? > > Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? > > And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! Two methods: Run Xvnc or one of the other vnc servers on linux, and forward the port for vnc through putty's ssh link and use a vnc client and run mozilla on the x server providing vnc on linux. Or install cygwin and it's x server, then startx on windows, and ask putty to forward the X connection (simple and easy to do) and you can just run X applications and they will display on your local x server. I would recomend option 2 in general, although option 1 you can disconnect and come back to later without loosing your X session which can be handy at times. Kind of like screen for X applications. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 29 20:25:19 2005 From: behdad-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Behdad Esfahbod) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? In-Reply-To: <433C2E9C.4080307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <433C2E9C.4080307@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Stephen wrote: > I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux > server. > > Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on > my laptop? Yes. > Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? Yes, you need an X server. Either Xwin32 or the free xorg server that comes with Cygwin. > And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! Run the server on Windows, on the Linux set DISPLAY to the IP of the windows concatenated to ":0", voila. > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > --behdad http://behdad.org/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 30 02:05:16 2005 From: ansarm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ansar Mohammed) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:05:16 -0400 Subject: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? In-Reply-To: <433C2E9C.4080307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <433C2E9C.4080307@rogers.com> Message-ID: Step 1. You need a win32 X Server. You can use either the free version of the starnet products http://www.starnet.com/xwin32LX/get_xwin32LX.htm weirdx http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/ or the cygwin port. http://cygwin.com/ I personally use the cygwin port. The integration with windows is way much better. The rest of this will focus on cygwin. Download the setup program for cygwin and run the installer. Make sure you have selected the xwindows components and finish the installation. Best practice is to install cygwin in C:\cygwin Navigate to C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\startxwin.bat and edit the file to your liking. I suggest multiwindow mode and "xhost +" to test. Step 2. Configure putty to forward your x session. Go to Connection->SSH->X11 select enable x11 forwarding When you login to the remote site echo $DISPLAY and you should see it set to "remotehost:10.0" where remotehost is the remote box. DO NOT SET THIS ENVIRONMENT VARIABLE MANUALLY. IF IT IS NOT SET AUTOMAGICALLY THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM. Step 3. mozilla& > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Stephen > Sent: September 29, 2005 2:13 PM > To: TO Linux User Group > Subject: [TLUG]: Remotely User Linux Server's Web Browser. How do I? > > I use putty to have an ssh connection from my windows laptop to my Linux > server. > > Can I use this to run Mozilla on the server and control and view it on > my laptop? > > Do I just need Xwindows on my laptop? > > And help, especially a how-to guide will be most appreciated. Thanks! > > Stephen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 30 14:41:34 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:41:34 -0400 Subject: FYI: Netgear MA111 refurbs at Tiger Direct Message-ID: I just wanted to let others know, as I was shopping for a USB 802.11b adaptor, I bought a refurbished Netgear MA111NAR (prism2 chipset) at Tiger Direct in Markham for $22+tax. That's about 1/3 price of a new one (v2's by the way I heard won't work in Linux because they have a different chipset). There looked to be still about 10-12 on the shelf. It seems to work fine (detected and all), I'm just still struggling with setting it up properly! :-) -Steve. -- Ubuntu :: Linux for Human Beings :: ubuntulinux.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 30 22:45:33 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:45:33 -0400 Subject: fast isp for data streaming server? Message-ID: <433DC00D.1020608@istop.com> The subject might have been raised here many times. I am no so good in it, though, thats why I am formulating the question in my own words. One of the companies I know is planning to provide a demo of their application to other companies around the world. They have an outstending product indeed. Their application will require as fast as possible connection for streaming data between the server located somewhere in the world and client software that will be located anywhere. I wonder what criteria should be considered in that case when looking for an appropriate server hosting? Is it mauch a matter if each of them has a very fast connection? I would guess that no. Or, perhaps, if they are going to make a presentation let say for client in Toronto, perhaps the best choice would be an isp in Toronto hosting the server? zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml