From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 1 07:05:17 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:05:17 -0500 Subject: 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, PC2100) Message-ID: <20050101070517.GA3207@node1.opengeometry.net> If you have spare 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, aka. PC2100), I would like to buy it. 256MB/512MB/1GB are everywhere, but 64MB is practically extinct. To make it on-topic... this is for my Linux thin-client demo. :-) -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 1 00:02:42 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:02:42 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D1CD90.2090305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050101000242.GA30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 04:18:08PM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get > Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on > the eMachines web site. > > Here's the vendor's page: > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1034849&Sku=E400-M6809&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANEM275 > > Here's the support page at eMachines > http://www.emachines.com/support/support_info.html?prodName=M6809 > > and the user guides. > http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/M2xxx_M6xxx_notebook_UG_Online_030804.pdf > http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/Wireless_Supplement_AACR53700002K1_Online.pdf > > Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ > http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 > > Is this a bad idea? > > paul > > p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. One major problem with many 64bit laptops is the lack of drivers for broadcom wireless adapters built into a whole lot of different laptops. The way they are used with 32bit linux is using ndiswrapper and the 32bit ndis driver. They did just announce that version 2.20 of driverloader can now use a 64bit ndis (or similar I guess) driver that is now available, and some people have posted that they now have wireless connections running 64bit Debian using that driver. So far my wife's Compaq R3240 has been pretty durable and worked rather well, although it hasn't had 64bit linux on it yet. Other people have successfully run 64bit linux on this model (except for the wireless of course until a few days ago). I saw it yesterday (on I think it was clearance of the model) at Staples for $1699. That's only slightly less than the sales price we bought this one at. Seems new models are coming out all the time. This model has nvidia chipset which works great with linux, nvidia video (only one to have 3D acceleration in Linux with 64bit so far on a laptop), Athlon 64 3200+ cpu, 512M ram, 60G disk, DVD+RW writer, nice touchpad (which should work with synaptic driver in linux too), and one of those WXGA 1280x800 displays. Just thought I would add my experiences so far. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 1 00:12:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:12:19 -0500 Subject: Linux on an Avaratec 3500 Series laptop In-Reply-To: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> References: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> Message-ID: <20050101001219.GC30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 08:42:18PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > 3. The disks mount in funny places. The cd-rom is /dev/hda; and the main hard > drive is /dev/hdc. I have an external USB hard drive, which probably mounts ... > somewhere. But just not in the usual place. I've tried fdisk'ing /dev/sda, > /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, ... and it was no go. Well if your HD is hdc and the CD is hda, you connected the connectors to the motherboard the wrong way. Swap them, then either fix the fstab and bootloader of linux, or install it again. The usb drive should probably be sda or uba if using a very new 2.6 kernel with the new usb storage driver (no idea if it works yet). It may or may not have partitions on it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 1 00:07:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:07:59 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: <41D49DD4.80308-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041230231101.7AB406D408@lethe.ss.org> <41D49DD4.80308@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050101000758.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 07:31:16PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > When I hear about Partition Magic on a Linux list, I wonder: who is asking? > > True, it is easier for a newbie to use PM than fips. But one ought to > pay for PM. For fips no. Fips is not easy to learn nor simple for a > medium-experienced Linux user. But when I had choice between the two I > could not resit fips: just as a chalange. And yes, I reformated HD of a > comp I am using, with fips (the comp is not owned by me at all and it is > worth more than 4000 C$). Now I have both windows and linux there. > Risky? Yes. Now though during my life I will not buy PM - I will use > fips only. When did fips get NTFS support? Partition magic does Ext2, NTFS and FAT quite well, which I haven't seen any other tool do correctly and certainly not as easily. It does seem like a steep price for a tool most people will only use a couple of times. Of course if you frequently help other people with their computer, having a copy you could bring to boot from floppy and resize the drive is handy. Oh well, I keep hoping one day gparted will make some sense. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 04:43:10 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:43:10 -0500 Subject: Linux on an Avaratec 3500 Series laptop In-Reply-To: <20050101001219.GC30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> Message-ID: <41D8870E.23656.82684B0@localhost> > Well if your HD is hdc and the CD is hda, you connected the connectors > to the motherboard the wrong way. Swap them, then either fix the fstab > and bootloader of linux, or install it again. > It's not that kind of laptop :-) It's still under warranty, so I am loathe to go ripping it open and swapping the connectors. I'm more of a PC guy. Laptops are a kind of gray area to me. > The usb drive should probably be sda or uba if using a very new 2.6 > kernel with the new usb storage driver (no idea if it works yet). It > may or may not have partitions on it. I wasn't aware of uba. I'll try it out. Although, I believe my kernel is one of the 2.4 versions. Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 05:57:11 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:57:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Tim Writer wrote: Ilya Palagin writes: >> Allowing those ICMP types is definitely a good networking style, but is not >> absolutely necessary. > > To me, that's like saying driving on the right (in North America), is good > style but not absolutely necessary. As long as there are no cars heading > your way, you can drive on the wrong side of the road as much as you like but > you'll be pretty sorry when traffic patterns change. I'm with Tim 100%. Avoiding blocking certain ICMP types in and out is essential for the proper functioning of a network. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 06:15:51 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:15:51 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <20050103055121.O76069-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41D8E317.7010806@rogers.com> > I'm with Tim 100%. Avoiding blocking certain ICMP types in and out is > essential for the proper functioning of a network. Not to mention boring! People seem to give up scanning you pretty quick if you drop echoreqs. Kinda sad, really ;) And since I set pf to start responding to them 6 months ago, I still haven't seen any good action. Time for a honeypot, perhaps... Regards, Byron "when I was a kid, we scanned deeper than 1 bloody ping" Sonne -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 07:14:06 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:14:06 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <20050103055121.O76069-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41D8F0BE.7010006@almatau.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Tim Writer wrote: > Ilya Palagin writes: > >>> Allowing those ICMP types is definitely a good networking style, but >>> is not >>> absolutely necessary. >> >> >> To me, that's like saying driving on the right (in North America), is >> good >> style but not absolutely necessary. As long as there are no cars heading >> your way, you can drive on the wrong side of the road as much as you >> like but >> you'll be pretty sorry when traffic patterns change. > > > I'm with Tim 100%. Avoiding blocking certain ICMP types in and out is > essential for the proper functioning of a network. > Tim is totally right, except for his comparison roads in North America and Internet. Road traffic is a well organized and controlled flow, while Internet is some kind of Caribbean sea a while ago. Source quench, for instance, can be a used for a an effective DoS attack. Blocking ICMP traffic through the firewall is one of common security measures. It's much easier to reconfigure a firewall when ICMP is needed, then explaining users/clients why their network was down. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 07:39:50 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:39:50 -0500 Subject: Script-only dialup scripts anybody? Message-ID: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> Just in case this has been done before, I don't want to end up re-inventing the wheel. It seems that the "wvdial" dialer is turning into another fat, bloated example of "abject ornamentation". First of all, let's remember that the goal of a dialer is to read a config file, dial in to the ISP, and set up a connection... period... end of story. wvdial *REQUIRES* the wvstreams library, which in turn *REQUIRES* XPLC (yet *ANOTHER* "platform-independant component library", like whoopeeeeeee). wvstreams will compile, but it complains bitterly about the not finding pam, famd, speex, ogg vorbis, and various other stuff that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with dialing my local ISP and setting up an ordinary PPP connection. Normally this additional stuff would be pulled in, but the Gentoo "USE" variable gives me the power to block it. With crummy programming like this, you'll understand why linux, which used to run comfortably in 32 megs of RAM some years ago, now wants 256 megs, and preferably 512. Yes, I'm running OK in 128, but I have to over-ride the standard config a lot. I'm annoyed enough about this that I want to replace wvdial with a bash script. Basically, you're talking to the modem. Here's what I've done so far. Start off with the config file, which contains the user's ISP info. It's specific to each user. Let's call it my_isp.conf # Start initialization userid='my_userID' password='my_password' dialstring='ATDT5555551234' modeminit1='ATZ' modeminit2='ATQ0 V1 E1 L0 S0=0 &C1 &D2' modemdevice='/dev/ttyS4' # End of initization Next is the "dialup" script. It would be invoked as... dialup my_isp.conf The script so far is... #!/bin/bash # Source the user-specific stuff . ${1} echo "${modeminit1}" > ${modemdevice} sleep 6 echo "${modeminit2}" > ${modemdevice} sleep 6 echo "${dialstring}" > ${modemdevice} sleep 15 echo "${userid}" > ${modemdevice} sleep 5 echo "${password}" > ${modemdevice} I presume that pppd has to be launched here. I'm not familiar with how pppd works, which is why I'm asking for help with the syntax here. The user would probably need to be listed in sudoers as being eligible to run this script. bash has a "read" construct that can read lines of text from a file, and linux allows us to treat modems as files. This would allow a smarter script that waits for the logon and password prompts, and responds to them. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 08:14:28 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:14:28 -0500 Subject: Script-only dialup scripts anybody? In-Reply-To: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> References: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> Message-ID: <20050103081428.GA2141@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 02:39:50AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Just in case this has been done before, I don't want to end up > re-inventing the wheel. It seems that the "wvdial" dialer is turning > into another fat, bloated example of "abject ornamentation". > > First of all, let's remember that the goal of a dialer is to read a > config file, dial in to the ISP, and set up a connection... period... > end of story. wvdial *REQUIRES* the wvstreams library, which in turn > *REQUIRES* XPLC (yet *ANOTHER* "platform-independant component library", > like whoopeeeeeee). wvstreams will compile, but it complains bitterly > about the not finding pam, famd, speex, ogg vorbis, and various other > stuff that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with dialing my local > ISP and setting up an ordinary PPP connection. Normally this additional > stuff would be pulled in, but the Gentoo "USE" variable gives me the > power to block it. With crummy programming like this, you'll understand > why linux, which used to run comfortably in 32 megs of RAM some years > ago, now wants 256 megs, and preferably 512. Yes, I'm running OK in > 128, but I have to over-ride the standard config a lot. My sympathies... > > I'm annoyed enough about this that I want to replace wvdial with a > bash script. Basically, you're talking to the modem. Here's what I've > done so far. Start off with the config file, which contains the user's > ISP info. It's specific to each user. Let's call it my_isp.conf > > # Start initialization > userid='my_userID' > password='my_password' > dialstring='ATDT5555551234' > modeminit1='ATZ' > modeminit2='ATQ0 V1 E1 L0 S0=0 &C1 &D2' > modemdevice='/dev/ttyS4' > # End of initization > > Next is the "dialup" script. It would be invoked as... > dialup my_isp.conf > > The script so far is... > > #!/bin/bash > # Source the user-specific stuff > . ${1} > > echo "${modeminit1}" > ${modemdevice} > sleep 6 > echo "${modeminit2}" > ${modemdevice} > sleep 6 > echo "${dialstring}" > ${modemdevice} > sleep 15 > echo "${userid}" > ${modemdevice} > sleep 5 > echo "${password}" > ${modemdevice} > > I presume that pppd has to be launched here. I'm not familiar with > how pppd works, which is why I'm asking for help with the syntax here. > The user would probably need to be listed in sudoers as being eligible > to run this script. bash has a "read" construct that can read lines of > text from a file, and linux allows us to treat modems as files. This > would allow a smarter script that waits for the logon and password > prompts, and responds to them. Although doable, there is no need for Bash script. In my Slackware-9.1 machine, there is 'ppp-2.4.1' package which contains 'chat' which will talk with the modem. I can only assume that it's part of standard ppp-2.4.1 software. So, download the latest 'ppp' source, and compile. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 08:19:56 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:19:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <41D8F0BE.7010006-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41D8F0BE.7010006@almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050103080851.H76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Source quench, for instance, can be a used for a an effective DoS attack. You still need to guess the TCP sequence number to Source Quench a TCP stream. If you want to Source Quench many streams you must guess many sequence numbers. If an attacker can guess sequences numbers all sorts of evil is possible. I just found this: RFC 1009 (gateway requirements): All gateways must contain code for sending ICMP Source Quench messages when they are forced to drop IP datagrams due to congestion. Although the Source Quench mechanism is known to be an imperfect means for Internet congestion control, and research towards more effective means is in progress, Source Quench is considered to be too valuable to omit from production gateways. > Blocking ICMP traffic through the firewall is one of common security But we can be very selective about what ICMP types we want to block (as noted in the discussion so far). It really does suck to block certain ICMP types - eg, icmp-destination-unreachable. Sending machines get insufficient information back about the hosts they are trying to connect to. This results in mail delays, problems debugging network issues, and lots of other fun. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 08:46:04 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:46:04 +1100 Subject: Script-only dialup scripts anybody? In-Reply-To: <20050103081428.GA2141-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> <20050103081428.GA2141@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200501031946.05370.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Monday 03 January 2005 19:14, William Park wrote: > > Although doable, there is no need for Bash script. In my Slackware-9.1 > machine, there is 'ppp-2.4.1' package which contains 'chat' which will > talk with the modem. I can only assume that it's part of standard > ppp-2.4.1 software. So, download the latest 'ppp' source, and compile. In Debian, I just typed 'pon' to turn my ppp connection on (which dials and authenticates etc.) and 'poff' to disconnect. It was simple to cofigure, and multiple ISP's could be defined. hope this helps. [you to convert to debian :) ] -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 08:48:08 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:48:08 +1100 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: References: <20041230231101.7AB406D408@lethe.ss.org> <41D49DD4.80308@istop.com> Message-ID: <200501031948.08435.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Saturday 01 January 2005 05:23, Tim Writer wrote: > This way you get to experience > first hand the pain of installing Windows compared with the ease of > installing Linux. I'll second that. :( -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 12:03:33 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:03:33 -0500 Subject: TUXLooking for a few good writers Message-ID: <002601c4f18c$3faaf360$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn?" on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:04 PM wrote: >Hello everyone, >I hope and trust that you all had (or are still having) a great holiday. >As some of you are already aware, I'm now the editor in chief of a new >Linux magazine called TUX which is aimed at the desktop/graphical user with >a focus on new users. The whole point of this email is to let everyone know >that I'm looking for writers, both for the print edition of the magazine >(which is a professional paying market) and the Web site (which for the >time being, pays in T-shirts, magazines, or, if you write a few articles, a >subscription to the CD edition of TUX). If you've ever thought, "Hey, I >could write a for a Linux magazine", this is your chance. For William Park and myself the answer is been there, done that. William Park in the November and December 2004 issues of Linux Gazette, and me in the February 2005 Linux Journal. Though William Park's articles about adding extensions to the BASH shell or my article about customising Knoppix for use at a World Science Fiction Convention are likely NOT quite up your beginners alley... >The best place to start it to check out the TUX Web site at >http://www.tuxmagazine.com. Go to the bottom of the main page and you'll >find a link titled "Write for Us". Start there and you'll get an >understanding of what kind of material I am looking for, the audience, and >the style. Then, head up to the Advertisers link up top. On that page >you'll find the editorial calendar for the coming year. I had a look at your "Write for Us" section and was left with one question, is article payment at time of acceptance or at time of publication? The reason I ask is because I put in my article to Linux Journal (and it was accepted) in November 2003 but only in this past week have I seen and signed the contract that should get me $. This LONG lag between article acceptance and publication/payment is a definite disincentive to writing... Otherwise, I can think of at least one story I could easily write for your magazine... >Take care out there. >-- >Marcel Gagn? >Editor in Chief >TUX : The First & Only Magazine for the New Linux User -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/04 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 14:56:38 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:56:38 -0500 Subject: 2.6 Kernel and USB Message-ID: <20050103145638.GA886@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I've been trying for a while to get a 2.6 kernel installed on my desktop, without total success. I get large swathes of things right, but being able to mount my USB key has never happened. I tried again last week, got the same non-result, and started poking around. It seems that, during the boot process, there are a bunch of modules that throw FATAL errors, but I can't seem to find a log of that part of the boot process. Once the machine is up and running, all I need to do is: sudo modprobe ehci_hcd sudo modprobe uhci_hcd and then I can mount my USB key just fine. I could just add those lines (do I need both?) to my rc.local, but that seems stupid - something isn't going right in the module loading process and it should be fixable, no? Any pointers? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 15:39:12 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 03 Jan 2005 10:39:12 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <41D8F0BE.7010006-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41D8F0BE.7010006@almatau.com> Message-ID: Ilya Palagin writes: > Tim is totally right, except for his comparison roads in North America and > Internet. Road > > traffic is a well organized and controlled flow, while Internet is some kind > of Caribbean sea a while ago. > > Source quench, for instance, can be a used for a an effective DoS attack. > Blocking ICMP traffic through the firewall is one of common security > measures. It's much easier > > to reconfigure a firewall when ICMP is needed, then explaining users/clients > why their network was Robert already answered this nicely but I'll just say one more thing. Reconfiguring your firewall when it's discovered ICMP source quench is necessary will likely require an on-site visit as you will be unable to establish an _effective_ remote shell. If the firewall's out of town, in another country, or on another continent, your users/clients will be very unhappy. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 15:58:20 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 03 Jan 2005 10:58:20 -0500 Subject: Script-only dialup scripts anybody? In-Reply-To: <20050103081428.GA2141-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> <20050103081428.GA2141@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 02:39:50AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: [lots of stuff about wvdial bloatware deleted] > Although doable, there is no need for Bash script. In my Slackware-9.1 > machine, there is 'ppp-2.4.1' package which contains 'chat' which will > talk with the modem. I can only assume that it's part of standard > ppp-2.4.1 software. So, download the latest 'ppp' source, and compile. FYI, chat has been part of ppp (on Linux) for a long time. Wvdial was introduced along with the "modern" graphical desktops to provide an "easy to use" interface to ppp. It's never been a necessary component. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 12:21:57 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:21:57 +0200 (IST) Subject: Script-only dialup scripts anybody? In-Reply-To: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> References: <20050103073950.GA12494@m450> Message-ID: man pppd: ... connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chat-isp' the chat script is underneath. Connecting when everything works is easy. Preventing a hung script when everything is not ok requires knowledge of your modem (like using the proper init strings and timeouts). good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 17:55:06 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:55:06 -0500 Subject: 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, PC2100) In-Reply-To: <20050101070517.GA3207-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050101070517.GA3207@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050103175506.GD30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 02:05:17AM -0500, William Park wrote: > If you have spare 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, aka. PC2100), I would like to > buy it. 256MB/512MB/1GB are everywhere, but 64MB is practically > extinct. > > To make it on-topic... this is for my Linux thin-client demo. :-) I thought 64M was essentially obsolete when DDR started to be used. lots of SDRAM (none DDR) 168pin is 64M, but why would anyone have wanted only 64M on a machine that took DDR ram? Good luck, you will need it. or boot linux with a mem= option to limit the ram the kernel will use to simulate the setup. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 19:10:41 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:10:41 -0500 Subject: 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, PC2100) In-Reply-To: <20050103175506.GD30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050101070517.GA3207@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050103175506.GD30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050103191041.GB2757@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 12:55:06PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 02:05:17AM -0500, William Park wrote: > > If you have spare 64MB DDR ram (PC-266, aka. PC2100), I would like > > to buy it. 256MB/512MB/1GB are everywhere, but 64MB is practically > > extinct. > > > > To make it on-topic... this is for my Linux thin-client demo. :-) > > I thought 64M was essentially obsolete when DDR started to be used. > lots of SDRAM (none DDR) 168pin is 64M, but why would anyone have > wanted only 64M on a machine that took DDR ram? > > Good luck, you will need it. > > or boot linux with a mem= option to limit the ram the kernel will use > to simulate the setup. Ah, good pointer. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 23:31:56 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:31:56 -0500 Subject: 2.6 Kernel and USB In-Reply-To: <20050103145638.GA886-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103145638.GA886@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <41D9D5EC.20702@truxtar.com> William O'Higgins wrote: > I've been trying for a while to get a 2.6 kernel installed on my > desktop, without total success. I get large swathes of things right, > but being able to mount my USB key has never happened. I tried again > last week, got the same non-result, and started poking around. It seems > that, during the boot process, there are a bunch of modules that throw > FATAL errors, but I can't seem to find a log of that part of the boot > process. The FATAL errors are probably comming from your module loading scripts and not the modules themselves. *I think some of the USB module names have changed in 2.6 kernels, which may be responsible for you errors.* I've also had them as a result of compiling stuff directly into the kernel. When the scripts can't find the module, they think it's an error. If you've compiled your own kernel, this could be the case. Try looking at /var/log/messages (less /var/log/messages) and look for the messages from the time the computer was booting up. It should be the most complete log. Which distro are you running? > Once the machine is up and running, all I need to do is: > sudo modprobe ehci_hcd > sudo modprobe uhci_hcd > and then I can mount my USB key just fine. You shouldn't need both of those modules, because they are both USB hub/controller drivers for different types of chipsets. uhci_hcd is for newer USB 2.0 controllers from Intel,VIA,etc. and the ehci_hcd is for older controllers (IIRC). > > I could just add those lines (do I need both?) to my rc.local, but that > seems stupid - something isn't going right in the module loading > process and it should be fixable, no? Since you are not loading the usb-storage and sd-mod drivers manually, it seems like hotplug is working properly. Hotplug is the system that should load most modules under 2.6 kernels. Perhaps without the controller modules loaded, hotplug doesn't even know that the USB key was pluged in (no hotplug event is generated). If you don't have hotplug, get it! While you are at it, take a look at udev. I know that some module names, including those of USB modules have changed in 2.6, so whatever scripts where loading the USB controller drivers before, no longer load the right ones (and could be responsible for your FATAL errors). On Debian you use 'modconf' to set up which modules load on startup, but each distro probably has it's own way. You may as well manually add the modprobe lines. After all, that's what's great about Linux :) -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 3 18:58:49 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:58:49 +0000 Subject: 2.6 Kernel and USB In-Reply-To: <20050103145638.GA886-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103145638.GA886@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200501031858.50364.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 3, 2005 02:56 pm, William O'Higgins wrote: > I've been trying for a while to get a 2.6 kernel installed on my > desktop, without total success. I get large swathes of things right, > but being able to mount my USB key has never happened. I tried again > last week, got the same non-result, and started poking around. It seems > that, during the boot process, there are a bunch of modules that throw > FATAL errors, but I can't seem to find a log of that part of the boot > process. Once the machine is up and running, all I need to do is: > sudo modprobe ehci_hcd > sudo modprobe uhci_hcd > and then I can mount my USB key just fine. > > I could just add those lines (do I need both?) to my rc.local, but that > seems stupid - something isn't going right in the module loading > process and it should be fixable, no? > > Any pointers? Thanks. Just out of curiosity, what distro are you using? To this end, what WM are you using? And, yes, what kernel version are you using? I have a USB keychain that seems to work (with the odd flakiness) fairly well under Libranet (Debian/2.4.21kernel). Setting it up under Libranet's add-removeable-drive option, it set a line in my etc/fstab file: /dev/sda1 /flash auto adminmenu,defaults,user,noauto,noatime,sync 0 0 (whereas /flash is the mounted drive's path) Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 02:54:51 2005 From: pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Kozlenko) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:54:51 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project Message-ID: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new open source project. I have a project that I would like to start most likely using the LAMP suite and I wanted to find out some info and opinions on what steps I should take to get started. For instance: 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there with some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of retaliation? 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE file (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project to prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) sufficient? 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I leap into the world of Open Source project building? Thanks to all - Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:13:39 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:13:39 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41DA09E3.8090701@utoronto.ca> Paul Kozlenko wrote: > Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new open source > project. > > I have a project that I would like to start most likely using the LAMP suite > and I wanted to find out some info and opinions on what steps I should take > to get started. > > For instance: > 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there with > some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of > retaliation? > 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE file > (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project to > prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? > 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code > according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? > 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my > project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) > sufficient? > 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I leap > into the world of Open Source project building? > > Thanks to all > - Paul > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Not meaning to be a twit or anything, but... ... most of those questions can be answered by actually "reading" the GPL... Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:24:24 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:24:24 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050103222424.3b78465f.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:54:51 -0500 Paul Kozlenko wrote: > Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new open source > project. > > I have a project that I would like to start most likely using the LAMP suite > and I wanted to find out some info and opinions on what steps I should take > to get started. > > For instance: > 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there with > some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of > retaliation? Well it depends on the license. You will definitely want to read through the license that the particular library you would like to use, uses. > 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE file > (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project to > prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? You can and you must; if a project is licensed under the GPL, you may modify it in any way shape or form, as long as your modifications are also GPL. This is very important! You may want to check out www.gnu.org for more info. > 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code > according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? You do not even have to email them if the project is GPL'd. However, many programmers are interested in knowing when their stuff is being worked on. So while it's not required, you may want to do it anyway to be polite. > 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my > project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) > sufficient? As long as your code as a whole remains licensed under the GPL, you do not have to make any such indications. Again, you may want to, but I don't believe it's required. > 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I leap > into the world of Open Source project building? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:28:42 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:28:42 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050104032842.A3F1B4669@cbbrowne.com> > Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new > open source project. > > I have a project that I would like to start most likely using the LAMP > suite and I wanted to find out some info and opinions on what steps I > should take to get started. > > For instance: > 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there with > some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of > retaliation? > 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE file > (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project to > prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? > 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code > according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? > 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my > project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) > sufficient? > 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I leap > into the world of Open Source project building? Generally speaking, the point of using the GPL is to allow other people to reuse the code, so in one sense, all the things you suggest are relatively "OK." And please consider that amongst the points of the GPL are: a) To permit people to continue to use the code even if the original developers get troublesome/disagreeable; b) To permit some potentially unorthodox uses. It's usually considered pretty important to track and attribute contributors, mandatory or not, because having use documented is often valuable to other developers to support grants and academic credit and such. It's good think about things from others' perspective... Things you'd find insulting if done to you are things others might be insulted by. And amongst the community of free software developers, offending people _will_ cause you trouble. -- output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "gmail.com") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/rdbms.html The behaviour in that case has changed since system 79 to be consistent. -- taken out of context from BUG-LISPM mail -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 03:34:40 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:34:40 -0500 Subject: FOR SALE: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 In-Reply-To: <41C97D47.6020600-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41C97D47.6020600@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:57:27 +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > Just in case anyone here might be interested before I ebay this item I > have for sale: > > Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 > Leather Case > USB Cradle > D-Link AIR DCF-660W 802.11b card > Sandisk 128mb CF card Hi Jason, I know this is really late but I just came into some money. Do you still have the Zaurus? Mike -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 00:08:23 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:08:23 +0000 Subject: FOR SALE: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 In-Reply-To: References: <41C97D47.6020600@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200501040008.23806.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 4, 2005 03:34 am, Mike Newman wrote: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:57:27 +0000, Jason Shein > > wrote: > > Just in case anyone here might be interested before I ebay this item I > > have for sale: > > > > Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 > > Leather Case > > USB Cradle > > D-Link AIR DCF-660W 802.11b card > > Sandisk 128mb CF card > > Hi Jason, > > I know this is really late but I just came into some money. Do you > still have the Zaurus? > > Mike Actually, yes I do. Funny thing was that I was planning on E-baying it tomorrow evening. Do you have an offer in mind ? -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 00:37:23 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:37:23 +0000 Subject: FOR SALE: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 In-Reply-To: <200501040008.23806.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41C97D47.6020600@detachednetworks.ca> <200501040008.23806.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200501040037.24089.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 4, 2005 12:08 am, Jason Shein wrote: > On January 4, 2005 03:34 am, Mike Newman wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:57:27 +0000, Jason Shein > > > > wrote: > > > Just in case anyone here might be interested before I ebay this item I > > > have for sale: > > > > > > Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 > > > Leather Case > > > USB Cradle > > > D-Link AIR DCF-660W 802.11b card > > > Sandisk 128mb CF card > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > I know this is really late but I just came into some money. Do you > > still have the Zaurus? > > > > Mike > > Actually, yes I do. Funny thing was that I was planning on E-baying it > tomorrow evening. > > Do you have an offer in mind ? oops... Didn't notice that this was on-list. No need to add our babble to the TLUG list. Contact me directly if you are interested Mike. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 09:42:52 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:42:52 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config Message-ID: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> Hi all, Pretty simple question - I want to recompile a kernel for my laptop (I've done this before on other machines) and I know I could spend the time going through and making sure everything is there but when all I want to do is add one or two things I would much rather be able to say "look at my kernl, use that as a base config" and then edit from there. I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. Is this possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial config on the running kernel? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 11:43:53 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:43:53 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <41DA651C.7060204-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050104114353.GA22469@m450> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 04:42:52AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial config > on the running kernel? Thanks! IFF you have a copy of the .config file for your current kernel... - copy it over to /usr/src/linux - and execute the command "make oldconfig". That will copy over what can be copied and use it to generate a new .config The process is not 100% guaranteed perfect, but it does most of the initial grunt work. Check your generated .config manually just to be sure. Of course, if you're running *ABSOLUTELY IDENTICALLY* configured machines, and the same point-release of the same kernel tree, you could use the old .config, but those constraints are hard to meet. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 12:38:21 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:38:21 +1100 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <41DA651C.7060204-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200501042338.21710.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 20:42, Madison Kelly wrote: > I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. Is this > possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial > config on the running kernel? Thanks! > If it's a 2.6 kernel with .config support, it's possible to extract the .config from the running kernel. ---extract--- Kernel .config support (IKCONFIG) This option enables the complete Linux kernel ".config" file contents to be saved in the kernel. It provides documentation of which kernel options are used in a running kernel or in an on-disk kernel. This information can be extracted from the kernel image file with the script scripts/extract-ikconfig and used as input to rebuild the current kernel or to build another kernel. It can also be extracted from a running kernel by reading /proc/config.gz if enabled (below). ------------------- Rgds, David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 14:42:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:42:59 -0500 Subject: 2.6 Kernel and USB In-Reply-To: <41D9D5EC.20702-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103145638.GA886@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <41D9D5EC.20702@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20050104144259.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 06:31:56PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > You shouldn't need both of those modules, because they are both USB > hub/controller drivers for different types of chipsets. uhci_hcd is for > newer USB 2.0 controllers from Intel,VIA,etc. and the ehci_hcd is for > older controllers (IIRC). uhci and ohci are usb 1.x drivers (intel, via, etc use one of the two). ehci is usb 2.0 and used by everyone (fortunately). A usb 2.0 controller needs both a 1.x and a 2.0 driver loaded to run all devices as far as I know. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 16:33:03 2005 From: greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Jimmy Green) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:33:03 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> Paul Kozlenko wrote: > Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new open source > project. > [snip] > 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there with > some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of > retaliation? if it is gpl, you can do with it what you will, but if you want your results to be gpl, you do with it as the gpl wills > 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE file > (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project to > prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? that liscence file is mandatory for conformance to gpl, its a while since i read it so im not sure if it's presence alone is enough > 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code > according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? everybody benefits if you make dialog/reference(contribution runs both ways) > 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my > project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) > sufficient? if you gpl it, i think you would do well to do so > 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I leap > into the world of Open Source project building? mabye packaging, cvs I gather that the general gist is, the gpl "stamp of approval" _is_ the prize, and to truely attain it, one must conform to its technicalities, and spirit,,, the rewards of said prize speak for themselvs... also an important consideration in my view is "packaging" the code, as well as facilitating it's would be contributors with perhaps a cvs repository. if your project is quite complex on release, good packaging and revision facility may help to get it out the door towards community adoption packaging can be tricky however, and is somewhat of a black box in reality, but if you manage to package it well for one particular distro(perhaps your fav/flav), then the canvass is primed and stretched releasing "early and often" is i gather, also quite the magical ingrediant... my experience goes back to 2001, and for n reasons im holding back on 2 proj's taking my own advise has caused me to loose out on this point* * while studying packaging under debian i trashed master superblock on develpoment drive, and in those days i couldent afford a burner, and e2fsck hasent helpd, i still gotta mine the cvs repositories manually -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second iteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 16:51:21 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:51:21 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050104164428.93D581D0DC6@outbox.allstream.net> I facilitate a couple of open source projects on Sourceforge. In both cases the "product" is itself a library, so the licence I chose was the LGPL. This licence permits users of these libraries to incorporate them into commercial products without having to release the commercial product code linked with that library under any particular licence. If these users make modifications to the library code itself to enable a new feature then they are obligated to relicence those changes under the same LGPL terms. ie. make the source code available. In practice most users/developers who make changes to my libraries will submit them back to the project maintainers even though the LGPL licence doesn't force them to do so. The reality is I have no real way to police this as I wouldn't hear from any of the "cheaters". In my experience the hardest thing about starting an open source project is not deciding on the licence or even writing the seed code, but rather working to build a sustainable developer/user community around the project. That is where the real work lies. bob On January 3, 2005 09:54 pm, you wrote: > Anybody's help would be appreciated on the topic of starting a new open > source project. > > I have a project that I would like to start most likely using the LAMP > suite and I wanted to find out some info and opinions on what steps I > should take to get started. > > For instance: > 1. If the source code is PHP. There are a number of libraries out there > with some nice functions. Can this type of code be included without fear of > retaliation? > 2. In most projects that I have looked at there is at least one LICENSE > file (GPL agreement). Can I simply use this file together with my project > to prevent unorthodox use of the project or parts? > 3. If I see some useable code in other GPL projects, can I use the code > according to the GPL by simply getting written (email) permission to do so? > 4. If I do get to reuse code, do I have to indicate within the code of my > project what lines are reused and from where, or is permission to use (#3) > sufficient? > 5. What other considerations or groundwork does anybody suggest before I > leap into the world of Open Source project building? > > Thanks to all > - Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 19:29:08 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:29:08 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <41DA651C.7060204-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050104192908.GA2640@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 04:42:52AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > Pretty simple question - I want to recompile a kernel for my laptop > (I've done this before on other machines) and I know I could spend the > time going through and making sure everything is there but when all I > want to do is add one or two things I would much rather be able to say > "look at my kernl, use that as a base config" and then edit from there. > > I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. Is this > possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial > config on the running kernel? Thanks! Look for .config or something. Copy that to where you run 'make'. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jkls-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 20:02:07 2005 From: jkls-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Lola Slade) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:02:07 -0500 Subject: Two inetd servers? Message-ID: <000c01c4f298$480f0070$0500a8c0@p2400> On a Debian system I took over I have two inetd servers running. ps -ef lists both /usr/sbin/inetd and /usr/sbin/inetutils-inetd. lsof -i shows inetd is listening on telnet, ftp and a couple of others while inetutils is listening on distcc. There is no such file /usr/sbin/inetd on my system and the package netkit-inetd is not installed according to dpkg. Actually, lsof reports /usr/sbin/inetd is (deleted). I am confused. Does this indicate some trojan or rootkit? Could it also be the result of an apt-get update without a reboot? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 20:27:56 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:27:56 -0500 Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed Message-ID: <41DAFC4C.6080209@knet.ca> 4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed in the downtown Toronto near Bloor/Yonge. Any recommendations?? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 20:32:58 2005 From: wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (WK) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:32:58 -0500 Subject: OT: business internet access Message-ID: <41DAFD7A.60807@halfmind.com> This is not totally linux question, but I know there are a lot of people who knows the answer. To make it linux relevant, sort of, the internet connection is going to go through a linux firewall. Anybody would recommend a good ISP for a mid size corporation (50 people). This is not our primary internet feed, we're looking for a secondary internet feed to improve reliability. I think a while back ago somebody mentioned BELL provides DSL service and throw in a dried phone line (line without phone service). We're interested in that too since we have no Bell phone line service. Thx, Wooi. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 21:26:57 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:26:57 -0500 Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed In-Reply-To: <41DAFC4C.6080209-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DAFC4C.6080209@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050104212657.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:27:56PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > 4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed in the downtown Toronto near Bloor/Yonge. > Any recommendations?? Well no clue what they are like but www.the-wire.com mentions up to 4MBit SDSL (since that is what you want). ADSL is asynchronous which is apparently not what you are looking for. I suspect allstream may offer SDSL too, but who knows at what price. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 21:25:27 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:25:27 -0500 Subject: OT: business internet access In-Reply-To: <41DAFD7A.60807-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41DAFD7A.60807@halfmind.com> Message-ID: <20050104212526.GF30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:32:58PM -0500, WK wrote: > This is not totally linux question, but I know there are a lot of people > who knows the answer. To make it linux relevant, sort of, the internet > connection is going to go through a linux firewall. > > Anybody would recommend a good ISP for a mid size corporation (50 > people). This is not our primary internet feed, we're looking for a > secondary internet feed to improve reliability. > > I think a while back ago somebody mentioned BELL provides DSL service > and throw in a dried phone line (line without phone service). We're > interested in that too since we have no Bell phone line service. Are you aware of what is involved in using two connections and being able to go from one to the other in case of failure? It is far from trivial. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 21:35:32 2005 From: wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (WK) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:35:32 -0500 Subject: OT: business internet access In-Reply-To: <20050104212526.GF30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DAFD7A.60807@halfmind.com> <20050104212526.GF30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DB0C24.7090907@halfmind.com> > > > Are you aware of what is involved in using two connections and being > able to go from one to the other in case of failure? It is far from > trivial. > > Lennart Sorensen Yes, I'm aware of the failover. I used to have two internet feed to my house, and I did a simple load balancing as suggested from the advance linux routing howto. For the office, we got a dual wan router from xincom. We tested it, it works fairly nicely. Wooi. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 21:31:32 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:31:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed In-Reply-To: <20050104212657.GG30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050104212657.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > 4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed... > > Well no clue what they are like but www.the-wire.com mentions up to > 4MBit SDSL (since that is what you want). ADSL is asynchronous which is > apparently not what you are looking for. Nitpick: if memory serves, the A in ADSL is for asymmetric (data rates in the two directions different), not asynchronous. (But Lennart is correct in thinking that a 4/4 service would be SDSL.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 22:04:25 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:04:25 -0500 Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed In-Reply-To: References: <20050104212657.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050104220425.GH30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 04:31:32PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > 4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed... > > > > Well no clue what they are like but www.the-wire.com mentions up to > > 4MBit SDSL (since that is what you want). ADSL is asynchronous which is > > apparently not what you are looking for. > > Nitpick: if memory serves, the A in ADSL is for asymmetric (data rates in > the two directions different), not asynchronous. Yeah, of course. That is what I meant to write. Thanks. :) Not sure what the clocking system on DSL is, but it would be the same on both ADSL and SDSL of course so what I said makes no sense. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 4 22:54:46 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:54:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750@pop3.ilap.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, dave morton wrote: > Are screensavers necessary to protect my lcd monitor? I understand that > these screens do not suffer from pshospor over-burn so why bother. Screen savers have been useless and pointless since the mid-1990s. All modern monitors, CRTs and LCDs alike, are better put into one of the deeper DPMS ("Energy Star") power-down states. This not only eliminates wear on vulnerable components -- much better than just spreading the wear around evenly -- but also saves energy. (By the way, your computer seems to think it's January 2004...) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 01:06:06 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 04 Jan 2005 20:06:06 -0500 Subject: PHP Presentation at TDUG In-Reply-To: <41D1C57B.4050201-CQhULsg7fJIsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1C57B.4050201@lastbyte.ca> Message-ID: FYI, in case anyone is interested. "A. Alfred Ayache" writes: > I'm a past president of the Toronto Delphi User Group. We've had one or > two open meetings in the past with TLUG. > > I'll be doing a presentation on PHP/MySQL at TDUG on Wed Jan 5, at 7pm, at > the North York Public Library. The meeting is open, and your members are > welcome to join us, if this is of interest to them. For a blurb on the > meeting, please see our website http://www.tdug.com. > > > Thanks! > -- > A. Alfred Ayache > http://www.rentersPlus.com - > Laser-accurate apartment searches - for free! > > http://www.lastbyte.ca - Bespoke software development: > PHP/MySQL, Delphi, Java, Oracle - eCommerce, Website Design > -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 02:42:18 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:42:18 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers References: Message-ID: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> True! With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. Fran?ois Ouellette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Spencer" To: Sent: Tuesday, 04 January, 2005 17:54 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: lcd monitors and screensavers > On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, dave morton wrote: > > Are screensavers necessary to protect my lcd monitor? I understand that > > these screens do not suffer from pshospor over-burn so why bother. > > Screen savers have been useless and pointless since the mid-1990s. All > modern monitors, CRTs and LCDs alike, are better put into one of the > deeper DPMS ("Energy Star") power-down states. This not only eliminates > wear on vulnerable components -- much better than just spreading the wear > around evenly -- but also saves energy. > > (By the way, your computer seems to think it's January 2004...) > > Henry Spencer > henry at spsystems.net > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/1/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/1/05 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 03:57:48 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:57:48 -0500 Subject: 2.6 Kernel and USB In-Reply-To: <20050104144259.GE30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050103145638.GA886@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <41D9D5EC.20702@truxtar.com> <20050104144259.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DB65BC.4070903@truxtar.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 06:31:56PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > >>You shouldn't need both of those modules, because they are both USB >>hub/controller drivers for different types of chipsets. uhci_hcd is for >>newer USB 2.0 controllers from Intel,VIA,etc. and the ehci_hcd is for >>older controllers (IIRC). > > > uhci and ohci are usb 1.x drivers (intel, via, etc use one of the two). > ehci is usb 2.0 and used by everyone (fortunately). A usb 2.0 > controller needs both a 1.x and a 2.0 driver loaded to run all devices > as far as I know. Ah, my bad. I confused ehci with ohci. Your explanation is correct. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 04:06:11 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:06:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> References: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Francois Ouellette wrote: > With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. > Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! > Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. Unfortunately, it's quite possible to have the screen black with the backlight still turned on. To get the monitor into a DPMS powerdown mode requires special signaling, not just an all-black image. Typically it's easy enough to tell the difference. An all-black image is not really quite 100% black -- a little bit of light from the backlight leaks out -- and the onset of powerdown is signaled both by the screen going *really* dark, and (typically) by the monitor's power LED turning from green to amber. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 04:13:35 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 04 Jan 2005 23:13:35 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> References: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> Message-ID: "Francois Ouellette" writes: > True! > > With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. > Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! > Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. Hmmm. I read somewhere (I think in reference to my notebook) that the backlight has a life measured in on/off cycles in, which case, you might want to leave it on as long as the notebook is on. Can anyone confirm or deny? -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 12:37:34 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:37:34 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <41DA651C.7060204-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41DBDF8E.3000601@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > Pretty simple question - I want to recompile a kernel for my laptop > (I've done this before on other machines) and I know I could spend the > time going through and making sure everything is there but when all I > want to do is add one or two things I would much rather be able to say > "look at my kernl, use that as a base config" and then edit from there. > > I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. Is this > possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial > config on the running kernel? Thanks! It's been a while since I've done it, but IIRC, there's a file, that contains the config of the current kernel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 12:57:29 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:57:29 -0500 Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed In-Reply-To: <41DAFC4C.6080209-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DAFC4C.6080209@knet.ca> Message-ID: <41DBE439.1030003@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > > 4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed in the downtown Toronto near Bloor/Yonge. > Any recommendations?? If you want the same bandwidth in both directions, you want SDSL, not ADSL. SDSL is symetrical, ADSL is asymetrical. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 12:58:07 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:58:07 -0500 Subject: 4-4 ADSL needed In-Reply-To: <20050104212657.GG30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DAFC4C.6080209@knet.ca> <20050104212657.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DBE45F.4010704@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 03:27:56PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > >>4mbit/4mbit ADSL provider needed in the downtown Toronto near Bloor/Yonge. >>Any recommendations?? > > > Well no clue what they are like but www.the-wire.com mentions up to > 4MBit SDSL (since that is what you want). ADSL is asynchronous which is > apparently not what you are looking for. ADSL is asymetrical, not asynchronous. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 14:50:37 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:37 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers Message-ID: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Howdy all, I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I need about four feet. Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:10:04 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:10:04 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DBFEBD.8010002-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:37 -0500, Sidney wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > need about four feet. > > Thanks, > > Sid You should be able to just walk into any Rogers outlet and say you need a 6' jumper cable (explain that you had to move your TV or something). They used to just give away 6' cables (with connectors on) to anyone who asked. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:20:26 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:20:26 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20050105152026.GJ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:10:04AM -0500, Steve wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:37 -0500, Sidney wrote: > > Howdy all, > > > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > > need about four feet. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sid > > You should be able to just walk into any Rogers outlet and say you > need a 6' jumper cable (explain that you had to move your TV or > something). They used to just give away 6' cables (with connectors on) > to anyone who asked. He wanted GOOD coax cable. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:19:58 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:19:58 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DBFEBD.8010002-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:50:37AM -0500, Sidney wrote: > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > need about four feet. Some tuner cards get a lot of interference simply from being crappy cards installed inside a noisy computer. Some tuners have good shielding and bus isolation, others (like the original ati tuner) do not. But a good cable could help a lot too especially being so close to the computer. Not sure where to buy that though. Maybe monster cable makes coax cables (for lots of money too of course but still). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:24:22 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:24:22 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750@pop3.ilap.com> Message-ID: <20050105152422.GK30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 05:43:23PM -0500, dave morton wrote: > Are screensavers necessary to protect my lcd monitor? I understand that > these screens > do not suffer from pshospor over-burn so why bother. It's 2005 by the way. Your message got displaced way back by about a year in my inbox. I don't have an LCD screen and don't really know much about them. I tend to mostly use blank screen for my screen saver, with DPMS in 10 to 15m after I stop moving the mouse and or typing. Probably worth researching the back lite issue someone brought up. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:40:39 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers Message-ID: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the installation, thats fine.) I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer to do the install. It is 40 floors to the basement. Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the cable itself is not that expensive?) If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive the installation price to 20k or more Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact some providers of fiber internet. Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 15:53:33 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:53:33 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DC0A77.7010002-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050105155333.GL30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:40:39AM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the > installation, thats fine.) > I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer > to do the install. > It is 40 floors to the basement. > Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? > (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the cable > itself is not that expensive?) > If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive the > installation price to 20k or more Does the building owner allow for that kind of installation (one would hope so but who knows with some places). > Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact > some providers of fiber internet. > Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? I remember seeing a few years ago that Toronto Hydro offers fiber internet access. Apparently they have a large fiber network around toronto for their own use they they also sell access to. A list of some companies that offer fiber would be on the page for 151 Front Street: http://www.carrierhotels.com/properties/trizechahn/151front.shtml#Fiber A lot of them are either present there or at least connected to there. Hmm, what would happen to the internet access in Toronto if 151 Front Street was to get cut off... Probably would loose a lot of it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:05:47 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 05 Jan 2005 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <20050105151958.GI30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:50:37AM -0500, Sidney wrote: > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > > need about four feet. > > Some tuner cards get a lot of interference simply from being crappy > cards installed inside a noisy computer. Some tuners have good > shielding and bus isolation, others (like the original ati tuner) do > not. But a good cable could help a lot too especially being so close to > the computer. Not sure where to buy that though. Maybe monster cable > makes coax cables (for lots of money too of course but still). Yes, they (Monster) do and you can get them at Future Shop, although I'm sure there's a cheaper supplier. They also make splitters. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:40:52 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:40:52 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC1894.2090209@truxtar.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Francois Ouellette wrote: > >>With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. >>Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! >>Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. > > > Unfortunately, it's quite possible to have the screen black with the > backlight still turned on. To get the monitor into a DPMS powerdown mode > requires special signaling, not just an all-black image. Try: $ xset dpms force standby -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:35:52 2005 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:35:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers Message-ID: <200501051635.j05GZqMM079155@localhost.generalconcepts.com> | Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0500 | From: Teddy Mills | | I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the | installation, thats fine.) I can't recommend any installers, but - Fibre normally comes in multiple strands in a jacket i.e. you almost never run just a single pair - It usually doesn't need to be run inside conduit - As was mentioned, talk to your landlord first | Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact | some providers of fiber internet. | Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? Hmmm - seems to me you're going about it in the wrong order. Find a bandwidth provider, and get them to deliver to a demarc in your premises. You'd hate to find that you installed, say, single mode fibre, and the provider wants multi mode, or needs to support different wavelengths, has a better/cheaper preferred installer than you found, or even that your preferred provider can provide reliable fast point to point wireless cheaper than fibre. Find your provider first - let them worry about the details. Cheers! John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:45:39 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <200501051635.j05GZqMM079155-bi+AKbBUZKYsbE7Vo+MiNSGuMlDgniV8mpATvIKMPHk@public.gmane.org> References: <200501051635.j05GZqMM079155@localhost.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b2050105084528f7fcbe@mail.gmail.com> > Find your provider first - let them worry about the details. But by all means, please let us know what you discover. I'm very curious to know how fiber works! Cheers, Aaron. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:35:52 -0500 (EST), John Sellens wrote: > | Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:40:39 -0500 > | From: Teddy Mills > | > | I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the > | installation, thats fine.) > > I can't recommend any installers, but > - Fibre normally comes in multiple strands in a jacket i.e. you almost > never run just a single pair > - It usually doesn't need to be run inside conduit > - As was mentioned, talk to your landlord first > > | Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact > | some providers of fiber internet. > | Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? > > Hmmm - seems to me you're going about it in the wrong order. Find > a bandwidth provider, and get them to deliver to a demarc in your > premises. You'd hate to find that you installed, say, single mode > fibre, and the provider wants multi mode, or needs to support > different wavelengths, has a better/cheaper preferred installer > than you found, or even that your preferred provider can provide > reliable fast point to point wireless cheaper than fibre. > > Find your provider first - let them worry about the details. > > Cheers! > > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 16:25:05 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:25:05 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DC0A77.7010002-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> Message-ID: <200501051125.05080.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 5, 2005 10:40 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the > installation, thats fine.) > I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer > to do the install. > It is 40 floors to the basement. > Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? > (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the cable > itself is not that expensive?) > If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive the > installation price to 20k or more > > Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact > some providers of fiber internet. > Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? Dunno about costs, but a friend of mine is an SE at FCI Broadband. I spoke to him and they provide fiber/dsl access to the toronto area. You can give them a shout. http://www.fcibroadband.com -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 17:14:51 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:14:51 +0200 (IST) Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> References: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Francois Ouellette wrote: > True! > > With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. > Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! > Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. blank screen does not turn off the backlight. Use DPMS to turn it off. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:12:23 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:12:23 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <20050105151958.GI30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:19:58 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:50:37AM -0500, Sidney wrote: > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > > need about four feet. > > Some tuner cards get a lot of interference simply from being crappy > cards installed inside a noisy computer. Some tuners have good > shielding and bus isolation, others (like the original ati tuner) do > not. But a good cable could help a lot too especially being so close to > the computer. Not sure where to buy that though. Maybe monster cable > makes coax cables (for lots of money too of course but still). > > Lennart Sorensen That is true... there are many reasons why a signal may be bad... low quality cable/splitters, poor signal entering the house (some TV's, like Sony's handle low signal very well, others, like Panasonics need higher levels for their tuner to do a good job), electrical interference around the tuner (possible inside a computer), to low quality tuners. But you are on the right track... the best you can do is use the best quality for everything that is within your control. BTW, does the signal llok good when you go directly into your tv tuner card? If so, then you've narrowed it down to the splitter and jumper cable you are using. If it mainly gives you a snowy picture, then it is signal loss from the splitter or cable. If you get other video problems (lines, waves, ghosting) it may be from electrical interference (ingress)... again which should be remedied by better quality cable, connectors, splitter. HTH. As for Rogers cables and splitters, I know that they used to use high quality components... unless they have changed that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 17:21:02 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:21:02 +0200 (IST) Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: References: <001101c4f2d0$2c94dfd0$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> Message-ID: >> With LCD monitors you want to save the backlight if it is so equipped. >> Showing a 3D maze or any other nonsense will not help! >> Use the "blank screen" and this should turn off the backlighting system. > > Hmmm. I read somewhere (I think in reference to my notebook) that the > backlight has a life measured in on/off cycles in, which case, you might want > to leave it on as long as the notebook is on. Can anyone confirm or deny? The life is measured in hours operating. Normally it should last in excess of 5000 hours. Of course you get what you pay for. It is normal for the color temperature and light output to change over this time. End of life is usually when light output is 50% of new value (NOT when it stops working). Normal fluorescent lights are rated 10,000 hours nominally, under the same conditions. The ones in a laptop work harder. ymmv. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:54:48 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:54:48 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive Message-ID: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> The hard drive on my wife's Windows machine recently blew up (literally). There is now an integrated circuit on the controller board with a small crater and evidence of flame damage in one corner. When I got the machine repaired at OTA, the service tech said something about this type of drive being prone to such behaviour and that they had replaced a number of them, so you if you have one you might want to be proactive about replacing it. This is what it says on the cover: Quantum Fireball lct N143, 10 3.5". 10.2AT P/N LB10A011 Rev 01-A. Dunno the size, probably 10.2 gigs I would guess from the part number. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 18:53:01 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41AF8078.5020301-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> > With the advent of reliable software RAID, I have never seen an > application in which a RAID card was a good idea. You can _always_ do > RAID 10 faster and safer in the kernel. If you really need high > performance or high availabliltiy, then look at a SAN / disk array > solution. Otherwise, dozens of 10kRPM SATA disks hung off an inexpensive > 3ware or highpoint controller doing JBOD is obviously the way to go. > Uh - that might be oversimplifying it a bit. With the IBM ServeRAID cards, you can add drives and extend your arrays, and convert from RAID 1 to RAID 5 and back again, seamlessly, while the system is running. You can't do this with Software RAID. Maybe you could kludge it with LVD, but that's quite a risky approach, if you read the details. And not all SATA setups support hot-swap properly either. The general rule of thumb with RAID is that hardware RAID is *always* faster than software RAID. The IBM ServeRAID has it's own CPU for pity's sake - just for processing RAID parity calculations and managing the cache. It would make no sense for software RAID to be able to keep up with this. Now, I must admit that in my *Linux* experience I have had the same results as you - software RAID has been way faster than hardware. But that is only under Linux. I have seen under BSD, UNIX, and Windows that Hardware RAID is generally faster. That would tend to indicate to me one of two things - 1. The Linux Software RAID guys have come up with some super cool whiz-bang way of making software RAID work really well, and no one else has figured it out, even though the RAID subsystem is open source (unlikely)... or... 2. The Linux drivers for the IBM ServeRAID adapter are crap (much more likely). It wasn't too long ago that the ServeRAID driver was still marked "Experimental" in the kernel. And the fact that there seems to be only one driver in Linux that is supposed to support all ServeRAID adapters from the ServeRAID 1 up to the 6 or whatever they're up to now, while there are individual specialized drivers for each variation of each model of the ServeRAID for every other operating system supported - would tend to indicate that some kind of generalization or short-cutting is going on. Bottom line: I would not be comfortable generalizing about RAID performance based on Linux experience with the IBM ServeRAID. > Before some idiot suggests using RAID3/4/5 to get more storage out of > your disk, I should point out that they are over complicated, processor > intensive solutions to a problem that doesn't exist anymore. You'd think > they would just go away in this age of super cheap disk. It is pretty > stupid to believe that it is more economic to waste hours of sysadmin > time, degrade performance and risk data to save a couple of thousand > bucks on disk. > Couple of Thousand? That's small fry - talk to people who are trying to save tens of thousands on disk. And your SAN recommendation is going to cost much more than that also. Not to mention that the SAN is a huge SPOF itself. My $0.02 Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 20:57:11 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:57:11 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105135448.B27475-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050105205711.GA12601@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:54:48PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > The hard drive on my wife's Windows machine recently blew up (literally). > There is now an integrated circuit on the controller board with a small > crater and evidence of flame damage in one corner. > > When I got the machine repaired at OTA, the service tech said something > about this type of drive being prone to such behaviour and that they had > replaced a number of them, so you if you have one you might want to be > proactive about replacing it. This is what it says on the cover: > > Quantum Fireball lct N143, 10 3.5". With a name like Fireball, what did you expect? :-) > 10.2AT P/N LB10A011 Rev 01-A. > > Dunno the size, probably 10.2 gigs I would guess from the part number. > > Peter -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:00:34 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:00:34 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105135448.B27475-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <1104951634.6536.0.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 13:54 -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > The hard drive on my wife's Windows machine recently blew up (literally). > There is now an integrated circuit on the controller board with a small > crater and evidence of flame damage in one corner. > > When I got the machine repaired at OTA, the service tech said something > about this type of drive being prone to such behaviour and that they had > replaced a number of them, so you if you have one you might want to be > proactive about replacing it. This is what it says on the cover: > > Quantum Fireball lct N143, 10 3.5". > 10.2AT P/N LB10A011 Rev 01-A. > > Dunno the size, probably 10.2 gigs I would guess from the part number. > > Peter I guess Fireball isn't just a catchy name :)....sorry couldn't resist. -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:02:37 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:02:37 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41DC378D.3000203-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050105190237.GM30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:53:01PM -0500, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Uh - that might be oversimplifying it a bit. With the IBM ServeRAID > cards, you can add drives and extend your arrays, and convert from RAID > 1 to RAID 5 and back again, seamlessly, while the system is running. > You can't do this with Software RAID. Maybe you could kludge it with > LVD, but that's quite a risky approach, if you read the details. And > not all SATA setups support hot-swap properly either. The on the fly raid conversion is a very nice feature, which I think 3ware also supports, but I could be wrong. Certainly not something every hardware raid card can do. And yes not all SATA does hotswap. 3ware explicitly does, not so sure about others. > The general rule of thumb with RAID is that hardware RAID is *always* > faster than software RAID. The IBM ServeRAID has it's own CPU for > pity's sake - just for processing RAID parity calculations and managing > the cache. It would make no sense for software RAID to be able to keep > up with this. Too bad the ServeRAID (4 at least) are so pathetically slow. I got a serious slow down going from linux software raid (md1) to a serveraid4M with the same drives in the same machine (single P3 733). I was very disappointed. I sure hope it wasn't the 15k rpm IBM scsi drives that were too slow for the card (they were 50% faster without the serveraid using the aic7xxx). It is however much simpler to manage the raid rebuilds, and setting up boot loader and such when using hardware raid. I wouldn't personally use scsi anymore though when 3ware is an option. > Now, I must admit that in my *Linux* experience I have had the same > results as you - software RAID has been way faster than hardware. But > that is only under Linux. I have seen under BSD, UNIX, and Windows that > Hardware RAID is generally faster. That would tend to indicate to me > one of two things - > > 1. The Linux Software RAID guys have come up with some super cool > whiz-bang way of making software RAID work really well, and no one > else has figured it out, even though the RAID subsystem is open > source (unlikely)... or... > 2. The Linux drivers for the IBM ServeRAID adapter are crap (much > more likely). > > It wasn't too long ago that the ServeRAID driver was still marked > "Experimental" in the kernel. And the fact that there seems to be only > one driver in Linux that is supposed to support all ServeRAID adapters > from the ServeRAID 1 up to the 6 or whatever they're up to now, while > there are individual specialized drivers for each variation of each > model of the ServeRAID for every other operating system supported - > would tend to indicate that some kind of generalization or short-cutting > is going on. > > Bottom line: I would not be comfortable generalizing about RAID > performance based on Linux experience with the IBM ServeRAID. One would think if the drivers were the problem IBM would have a serious interest in fixing that problem. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:04:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:36 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105135448.B27475-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050105190436.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:54:48PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > The hard drive on my wife's Windows machine recently blew up (literally). > There is now an integrated circuit on the controller board with a small > crater and evidence of flame damage in one corner. > > When I got the machine repaired at OTA, the service tech said something > about this type of drive being prone to such behaviour and that they had > replaced a number of them, so you if you have one you might want to be > proactive about replacing it. This is what it says on the cover: > > Quantum Fireball lct N143, 10 3.5". > 10.2AT P/N LB10A011 Rev 01-A. I guess it lived up to it's name. > Dunno the size, probably 10.2 gigs I would guess from the part number. Probably. I have an 18G fireball that has been running 24/7 in a 486 firewall for many years now (at least 5 years) and no problem yet. I have had pretty good luck with Quantum in general (never did touch the bigfoot drives of course) but can't get them anymore. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 14:03:07 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:03:07 +0000 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41DC378D.3000203-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200501051403.07541.jason@detachednetworks.ca> And yes, I am still banging my head over this one. ( in my spare time ) Open to any suggestions.... Considering installing FreeBSD, as when I received the units they were running almost flawlessly with SCO Unix on them ( the one and only flaw being that it was SCO Unix ) -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:24:07 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:24:07 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105190436.GN30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050105190436.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:04:36 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Probably. I have an 18G fireball that has been running 24/7 in a 486 > firewall for many years now (at least 5 years) and no problem yet. I > have had pretty good luck with Quantum in general (never did touch the > bigfoot drives of course) but can't get them anymore. > > Lennart Sorensen I used to have a Quantum 6GB Bigfoot (5.25 inch) 5400rpm... it was great (really quiet too)! I think it's still working (probably 10 years now) in a computer (Pentium Pro) I gave away. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:37:45 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:37:45 -0500 Subject: Small job for a tech minded writer to help me with a doc - freelance Message-ID: <41DC4209.70203@ksmultimedia.com> Howdy, I am looking for someone help go over a project with me. I need to get a comprehensive proposal written up with a summary, milestones, and a bit of background. While this is a technical project (programming and web job), I need help to get this document readable by a layperson and simplified (somewhat). I need to discuss this with someone, go over the project and help write it up (ie. BS it) to make it look good. I have some of the material done. I need this done ASAP, and prefer someone I can work with in person. I think this would take a days work, perhaps a little more or less. Looking to pay about $200 to get this done Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:43:27 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:43:27 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DC435F.7030207@ksmultimedia.com> Steve wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:19:58 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > >>On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:50:37AM -0500, Sidney wrote: >> >> >>>I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I >>>would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a >>>cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it >>>using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not >>>shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the >>>heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I >>>need about four feet. >>> >>> >>Some tuner cards get a lot of interference simply from being crappy >>cards installed inside a noisy computer. Some tuners have good >>shielding and bus isolation, others (like the original ati tuner) do >>not. But a good cable could help a lot too especially being so close to >>the computer. Not sure where to buy that though. Maybe monster cable >>makes coax cables (for lots of money too of course but still). >> >>Lennart Sorensen >> >> > >That is true... there are many reasons why a signal may be bad... low >quality cable/splitters, poor signal entering the house (some TV's, >like Sony's handle low signal very well, others, like Panasonics need >higher levels for their tuner to do a good job), electrical >interference around the tuner (possible inside a computer), to low >quality tuners. > >But you are on the right track... the best you can do is use the best >quality for everything that is within your control. BTW, does the >signal llok good when you go directly into your tv tuner card? If so, >then you've narrowed it down to the splitter and jumper cable you are >using. If it mainly gives you a snowy picture, then it is signal loss >from the splitter or cable. If you get other video problems (lines, >waves, ghosting) it may be from electrical interference (ingress)... >again which should be remedied by better quality cable, connectors, >splitter. HTH. > >As for Rogers cables and splitters, I know that they used to use high >quality components... unless they have changed that. >-- > > > The cables I was using seem to be of very cheap quality. I great a great picture with the rogers cable attached directly to the computer. I think it may be because of the splitter and the wire (I picked them up at a dollar store). I am going to try to find a higher end wire and splitter and see if that does the trick. I called Rogers to see if I could get one at their locations and they said to just go in and check, so thats my next stop. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 19:55:48 2005 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:48 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DC435F.7030207-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41DC435F.7030207@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:43:27 -0500, Sidney Shapiro > The cables I was using seem to be of very cheap quality. I great a great > picture with the rogers cable attached directly to the computer. I think > it may be because of the splitter and the wire (I picked them up at a > dollar store). I am going to try to find a higher end wire and splitter > and see if that does the trick. I called Rogers to see if I could get > one at their locations and they said to just go in and check, so thats > my next stop. I've also found those cable amplifier/filter boxes to be very good at boosting and improving picture quality. I use them in conjunction with a splitter and get great results. You can get them at Radio Shack, Canadian Tire, Home Depot, etc. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:17:21 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:17:21 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105190436.GN30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050105190436.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DC5961.4060104@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >Probably. I have an 18G fireball that has been running 24/7 in a 486 >firewall for many years now (at least 5 years) and no problem yet. I >have had pretty good luck with Quantum in general (never did touch the >bigfoot drives of course) but can't get them anymore. > > I've lost a number of fireballs personally. None of mine (in various computers, in various physical environments) has lasted over 5 years. My last one (in my firewall) is also the newest, and it's also making scary noises. I give it 6 months, tops. :) That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB hard drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere I could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that supports 40GB+ hard drives? The latter option isn't thrilling, since these ATA controllers all seem to be made by Promise, cost $30+, and boldly proclaim support of dubious, proprietary software RAID schemes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:35:24 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <41DC5961.4060104-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC5961.4060104@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Andrej Marjan wrote: > That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB hard > drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere I > could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) > drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that > supports 40GB+ hard drives? It used to be common for hard drives to have jumper options telling them to lie about their capacity, precisely to handle such situations. Meant that you couldn't use the extra, but at least the drive would work. Don't know how common this is now -- haven't checked lately. (Hmm, a Maxtor 40 that I bought about a year ago has a "cap limit" jumper, and a Seagate 80 bought a few days ago has a "limit to 32GB" jumper, so I think this capability is still current. Best buy a replacement soon, though.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:42:58 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <41DC5961.4060104-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050105190436.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41DC5961.4060104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20050105214258.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:17:21PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > I've lost a number of fireballs personally. None of mine (in various > computers, in various physical environments) has lasted over 5 years. My > last one (in my firewall) is also the newest, and it's also making scary > noises. I give it 6 months, tops. :) > > That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB hard > drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere I > could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) > drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that > supports 40GB+ hard drives? Well if you do get an add in card, you might as well get an SiL3112 card and buy SATA drives. Why buy stuff that is basically becoming obsolete. I have seen 2 port SiL3112 cards for $39 and dual channel promise ide card for about $59 (4 drives). Personally I think I am done buying PATA drives. > The latter option isn't thrilling, since these ATA controllers all seem > to be made by Promise, cost $30+, and boldly proclaim support of > dubious, proprietary software RAID schemes. The bios on some systems have a problem with drives over 32G or so, but most drives have a 'stroke' or 'clip' mode that you can activate to make it lie to the bios about it's size, while linux can then get the real size after boot allowing you to use the drive. Look up softclip or stroke and you should find utilities from a few companies to do it. There is also source for a small utility for linux to do it. Of course you have to put the drive in a machine that supports it first to clip it, then put it in the target and if your kernel is a recent 2.4 or 2.6 kernel it should detect the full drive size anyhow and allow you to partition it. This won't let you go past 137G as far as I know since that is a 28bit LBA limit rather than a bios stupidity. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 21:44:06 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:44:06 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <41DC5961.4060104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20050105214406.GQ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:35:24PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > It used to be common for hard drives to have jumper options telling them > to lie about their capacity, precisely to handle such situations. Meant > that you couldn't use the extra, but at least the drive would work. Don't > know how common this is now -- haven't checked lately. (Hmm, a Maxtor 40 > that I bought about a year ago has a "cap limit" jumper, and a Seagate 80 > bought a few days ago has a "limit to 32GB" jumper, so I think this > capability is still current. Best buy a replacement soon, though.) As far as I understand it using the jumper makes the drives stuck at 32G, while using a softclip program makes it possible to use the full size under smart OSs (like linux). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 22:00:14 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:00:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105214406.GQ30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105214406.GQ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > It used to be common for hard drives to have jumper options telling them > > to lie about their capacity, precisely to handle such situations. Meant > > that you couldn't use the extra, but at least the drive would work... > > As far as I understand it using the jumper makes the drives stuck at > 32G, while using a softclip program makes it possible to use the full > size under smart OSs (like linux). Possibly so, but do you care? If your only concern is to buy a workable replacement for the old (say) 4GB drive in that firewall box, does it *matter* whether the usable capacity of that $75 drive is 32GB or 80GB? Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 23:02:41 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:02:41 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <41DBDF8E.3000601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> <41DBDF8E.3000601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050105180241.2e984b88.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:37:34 -0500 James Knott wrote: [snip] > > I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. Is this > > possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's initial > > config on the running kernel? Thanks! > > It's been a while since I've done it, but IIRC, there's a file, that > contains the config of the current kernel. Yes that's correct. It's called `.config' and it's located in the root directory of the kernel's source code. You should be able to copy this file from kernel to kernel within reason. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 5 23:47:44 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:47:44 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DC0A77.7010002-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> Message-ID: <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> Teddy Mills wrote: > I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the > installation, thats fine.) > I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer > to do the install. > It is 40 floors to the basement. > Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? > (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the > cable itself is not that expensive?) > If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive > the installation price to 20k or more > > Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact > some providers of fiber internet. > Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? I can recommend Toronto Hydro's "Metro Lan" service if you're looking for reliable but shared access that's a lot more affordable than a dedicated line. I strongly suggest you explore this option. If you want dedicated, then I personally prefer Telus. If that's the case, and you're asking on the TLUG list, then you're in over your head and need to either hire someone or bring in a contractor. As noted in other posts the run between your office and the demarc is best organized between your provider and your landlord. You want to be involved as little as possible in that. Usually you pay for the line separately from the bandwidth, although some providers offer package deals aimed at small companies. You should really check with the landlord of your building before going any further with this since many office buildings downtown offer fiber internet connectivity. Even if they don't, they'll know who has demarcs in your building. Going with a provider who's already demarcd can save you tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Drew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 00:02:50 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 05 Jan 2005 19:02:50 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <20050105190237.GM30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> <20050105190237.GM30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:53:01PM -0500, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > > The general rule of thumb with RAID is that hardware RAID is *always* > > faster than software RAID. Why? Certain (perhaps many) optimizations aren't available to the RAID controller because it doesn't have the full picture. > > The IBM ServeRAID has it's own CPU for > > pity's sake - just for processing RAID parity calculations and managing > > the cache. It would make no sense for software RAID to be able to keep > > up with this. I disagree. Modern systems are usually I/O constrained meaning there are plenty of available CPU cycles to handle the simple parity calculations. To put it another way, if the CPU is idle while waiting for I/O, why not use that time to do the parity calculations? You give up a few (spare) CPU cycles in return for retaining a more complete picture of the block I/O which allows the kernel to make better scheduling decisions, gaining better overall I/O throughput. > > Now, I must admit that in my *Linux* experience I have had the same > > results as you - software RAID has been way faster than hardware. But > > that is only under Linux. I have seen under BSD, UNIX, and Windows that > > Hardware RAID is generally faster. That would tend to indicate to me > > one of two things - > > > > 1. The Linux Software RAID guys have come up with some super cool > > whiz-bang way of making software RAID work really well, and no one > > else has figured it out, even though the RAID subsystem is open > > source (unlikely)... or... > > 2. The Linux drivers for the IBM ServeRAID adapter are crap (much > > more likely). 3. The block I/O subsystems of other systems suck so bad they make ServerRAID look good. I'm not saying this is the case, just throwing it out as another possibility. Years ago, I ran some benchmarks to compare I/O performance of Linux (ext2) running on a 486/33 with 16MB RAM and a single (narrow) SCSI-II disk against Solaris 2.4 running a 167Mhz UltraSPARC with 128MB RAM and a single wide SCSI-II disk. Linux blew Slowaris away! I don't know if that Sun system would have benefited from hardware RAID but it sure needed something. > > It wasn't too long ago that the ServeRAID driver was still marked > > "Experimental" in the kernel. And the fact that there seems to be only > > one driver in Linux that is supposed to support all ServeRAID adapters > > from the ServeRAID 1 up to the 6 or whatever they're up to now, while > > there are individual specialized drivers for each variation of each > > model of the ServeRAID for every other operating system supported - > > would tend to indicate that some kind of generalization or short-cutting > > is going on. > > > > Bottom line: I would not be comfortable generalizing about RAID > > performance based on Linux experience with the IBM ServeRAID. > > One would think if the drivers were the problem IBM would have a serious > interest in fixing that problem. And last time I checked, they wrote (or at least sponsored the development of) the ServerRAID drivers. Also, poor drivers don't explain the reliability problems I've experienced with ServerRAID which have been backed up by others on this list as well as an IBM service technician (in confidence, of course). Apparently, these problems aren't unique to Linux. Yes, this is annecdotal and no, I haven't done an extensive study. But I've generally had good experiences with software RAID and poor experiences with hardware RAID. In my opinion, hardware RAID doesn't live up to its promises. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 00:18:54 2005 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 05 Jan 2005 19:18:54 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> Message-ID: <87r7kz8l5d.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Tim Writer writes: > Blocked in which direction? If you block source quench outbound, none of the > systems on your network will be able to tell a fast server to slow down. If > you block source quench inbound, a slow system you are sending data to will > not be able to tell you to slow down. The classic symptom of incorrectly > blocking ICMP is that you can ssh into a remote system and issue commands > that don't generate a lot of output without trouble but as soon as you issue > a command that generates a lot of output (ls in a large directory, less or > cat a large file, etc.) your connection freezes. > > This type of problem can go unnoticed for a long time until, one day, your > ISP upgrades a router, installs a web cache, or some such. Suddenly you need > flow control and you don't have it. > > > Allowing those ICMP types is definitely a good networking style, but is not > > absolutely necessary. > > To me, that's like saying driving on the right (in North America), is good > style but not absolutely necessary. As long as there are no cars heading > your way, you can drive on the wrong side of the road as much as you like but > you'll be pretty sorry when traffic patterns change. > I've been allowing 0,3,4,11,12,14,16and 18 in and 4,8,12,13,15 and 17 out Haven't had any problems yet - Touch Wood -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 02:10:11 2005 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:10:11 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <41DC5961.4060104-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050105190436.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41DC5961.4060104@pobox.com> Message-ID: <41DC9E03.1080905@sympatico.ca> Andrej Marjan wrote: > > That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB > hard drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere > I could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) > drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that > supports 40GB+ hard drives? I have an Asus board that only handled drives about that size also, which I discovered the hard way after trying to install a 40GB drive. After flashing a new ROM, the 40GB drive worked great. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 04:42:51 2005 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:42:51 +0800 Subject: phpBB + apache with mod_security Message-ID: <200501061242.51435.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi All, We are tasked to do a setup on this unfortunately we are having problems... using mod_security while trapping " ' " .. in phpBB forum we cant do away with users postings with " ' ".. so its either i removed that regexp in mod_security.. or.. ??? is there anonther way? TIA, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 05:40:38 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:40:38 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> <20050105190237.GM30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DCCF56.8080308@utoronto.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >I disagree. Modern systems are usually I/O constrained meaning there are >plenty of available CPU cycles to handle the simple parity calculations. To >put it another way, if the CPU is idle while waiting for I/O, why not use >that time to do the parity calculations? You give up a few (spare) CPU >cycles in return for retaining a more complete picture of the block I/O which >allows the kernel to make better scheduling decisions, gaining better overall >I/O throughput. > > > But imagine another machine with the complete picture of the block I/O, as you say above, BUT it can pass the parity calculation on to a coprocessor. Wouldn't it be faster? Unless (I guess) the modern CPUs are just so powerful they can run the calc faster than the dedicated copro on the RAID card. >>>Now, I must admit that in my *Linux* experience I have had the same >>>results as you - software RAID has been way faster than hardware. But >>>that is only under Linux. I have seen under BSD, UNIX, and Windows that >>>Hardware RAID is generally faster. That would tend to indicate to me >>>one of two things - >>> >>> 1. The Linux Software RAID guys have come up with some super cool >>> whiz-bang way of making software RAID work really well, and no one >>> else has figured it out, even though the RAID subsystem is open >>> source (unlikely)... or... >>> 2. The Linux drivers for the IBM ServeRAID adapter are crap (much >>> more likely). >>> >>> > >3. The block I/O subsystems of other systems suck so bad they make ServerRAID >look good. > >I'm not saying this is the case, just throwing it out as another possibility. >Years ago, I ran some benchmarks to compare I/O performance of Linux (ext2) >running on a 486/33 with 16MB RAM and a single (narrow) SCSI-II disk against >Solaris 2.4 running a 167Mhz UltraSPARC with 128MB RAM and a single wide >SCSI-II disk. Linux blew Slowaris away! I don't know if that Sun system >would have benefited from hardware RAID but it sure needed something. > > > Well, a lot of the claims of better performance with HW RAID are based on Windows Systems experience, and when it comes to Windows block I/O, you are probably on to something. I'd not be surprised to see Linux much faster. I have carried out rough benchmarks in the past which seem to support this also. >Yes, this is annecdotal and no, I haven't done an extensive study. But I've >generally had good experiences with software RAID and poor experiences with >hardware RAID. In my opinion, hardware RAID doesn't live up to its promises. > > > I've been responsible for a few Dell shops, and the Dell PERC RAID adapter is usually a variant of the same LSI Logic RAID card that is customized by IBM to make some of the ServeRAID cards, and believe me, the Dells are much worse than the IBMs. To get a bit off topic: Have you compared Linux software RAID performance between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? I'm finding 2.4 to still be a LOT faster than 2.6. Have you seen this also? Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 06:09:13 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:09:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41DCCF56.8080308-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DCCF56.8080308@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Dave Stubbs wrote: > ...Wouldn't it be faster? Unless (I guess) the modern CPUs > are just so powerful they can run the calc faster than the dedicated > copro on the RAID card. Remember that modern CPUs have a cycle time of a fraction of a nanosecond. That dedicated coprocessor probably doesn't have anywhere near that clock speed, as witness the fact that it doesn't have its own howling cooling fan. Unless it's a custom design, which it probably isn't, it can't do that calculation anywhere *NEAR* as fast as the main CPU can. The data takes longer to get through the *wires* than the main CPU needs to run parity on it. (An electric signal travels only a few centimeters along a wire in one main-CPU clock cycle!) This has always been the problem with such I/O-card coprocessors: unless they have a radically different architecture than the main CPU, so much better suited to the problem that they inherently handle it much more efficiently, they will always be much slower than the main CPU, so they're usually pretty useless. By their nature, they can't command anywhere near the level of resources lavished on making the main CPU fast. And the mind-boggling acceleration of CPU speeds in the last decade has made this problem even worse. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 10:59:27 2005 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:59:27 -0500 Subject: custom kernel config In-Reply-To: <20050105180241.2e984b88.logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>; from logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 18:02:41 -0500 References: <41DA651C.7060204@alteeve.com> <41DBDF8E.3000601@rogers.com> <20050105180241.2e984b88.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050106105927.GA1985@localhost> On Wed Jan 05,2005 06:02:41 PM Logan Rathbone wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:37:34 -0500 > James Knott wrote: > > [snip] > > > I run Fedora Core 3 and my current kernel comes from an RPM. > Is this > > > possible? Is there some way to base a new downloaded kernel's > initial > > > config on the running kernel? Thanks! > > > > It's been a while since I've done it, but IIRC, there's a file, > that > > contains the config of the current kernel. > > Yes that's correct. It's called `.config' and it's located in the > root directory of the kernel's source code. You should be able to > copy this file from kernel to kernel within reason. After you copy .config to the new kernel source directory you should run "make oldconfig". This will eliminate any depreciated values from .config and prompt you for any new values supported by the new kernel. You can then run "make config", "make menuconfig", etc., as usual to modify the parameters to your liking. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 13:44:08 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:44:08 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DC7CA0.10509-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> Andrew Hammond wrote: > Teddy Mills wrote: > >> I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the >> installation, thats fine.) >> I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable >> installer to do the install. >> It is 40 floors to the basement. >> Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? >> (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the >> cable itself is not that expensive?) >> If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive >> the installation price to 20k or more >> >> Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact >> some providers of fiber internet. >> Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? > > > > I can recommend Toronto Hydro's "Metro Lan" service if you're looking > for reliable but shared access that's a lot more affordable than a > dedicated line. I strongly suggest you explore this option. > > If you want dedicated, then I personally prefer Telus. If that's the > case, and you're asking on the TLUG list, then you're in over your > head and need to either hire someone or bring in a contractor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TEDDY REPLIES... DID YOU THINK IM GOING TO INSTALL A 45 FLOOR FIBER LINK MYSELF? I DONT NEED TO TAKE YOUR OPINION OF MY TECHNICAL ABILITY, AND IM QUITE SURE YOUR NOT THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF FIBER. WHY YOU THINK I AM ASKING FOR OUTSIDE PROVIDERS/PEOPLE?? FOR MY HEALTH? THREAD CLOSED. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As noted in other posts the run between your office and the demarc is > best organized between your provider and your landlord. You want to be > involved as little as possible in that. > > Usually you pay for the line separately from the bandwidth, although > some providers offer package deals aimed at small companies. You > should really check with the landlord of your building before going > any further with this since many office buildings downtown offer fiber > internet connectivity. Even if they don't, they'll know who has > demarcs in your building. Going with a provider who's already demarcd > can save you tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > Drew > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:00:24 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:00:24 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DD40A8.3040905-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> Message-ID: Maybe this shouldn't have been on the TLUG list to begin with. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:22:06 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:22:06 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b205010606223d9f8733@mail.gmail.com> On the contrary, I think it's threads like these that make TLUG so valuable. Where else can you vicariously learn about such a diverse set of topics as fiber installation, batteries, bad hard drives, firewalls and coax cables (just to name a few recent ones)? TLUG is a community bound by its primary interest in Linux, but we clearly share a number of aligned interests that are certainly "OT", but no less interesting to us. Teddy, I hope I speak for most of the readers here when I say don't close this thread! Tact is not always in abundance on this list, but there are those here who are curious about what you're doing, and would like to know what you find out. Not because we want to run fiber ourselves, but because fiber is cool, and when we next speak to our other nerd friends we can sound convincing when we utter words like "demarc". Cheers! Aaron. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:00:24 -0500, Steve wrote: > Maybe this shouldn't have been on the TLUG list to begin with. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:46:00 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:46:00 -0500 Subject: [OT] Re:Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b205010606223d9f8733-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> <4386c5b205010606223d9f8733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:22:06 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Teddy, I hope I speak for most of the readers here when I say don't > close this thread! Tact is not always in abundance on this list, but > there are those here who are curious about what you're doing, and > would like to know what you find out. Not because we want to run fiber > ourselves, but because fiber is cool, and when we next speak to our > other nerd friends we can sound convincing when we utter words like > "demarc". I agree with that philosophy, however YELLING in capitals from one person to another I think most people would agree is *not* necessary on the list. Please do this sort of thing off-list. Even though there are those that may find it entertaining. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:46:34 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:46:34 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b205010606223d9f8733-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> <4386c5b205010606223d9f8733@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron Vegh wrote: >On the contrary, I think it's threads like these that make TLUG so >valuable. Where else can you vicariously learn about such a diverse >set of topics as fiber installation, batteries, bad hard drives, >firewalls and coax cables (just to name a few recent ones)? > >TLUG is a community bound by its primary interest in Linux, but we >clearly share a number of aligned interests that are certainly "OT", >but no less interesting to us. > >Teddy, I hope I speak for most of the readers here when I say don't >close this thread! Tact is not always in abundance on this list, but >there are those here who are curious about what you're doing, and >would like to know what you find out. Not because we want to run fiber >ourselves, but because fiber is cool, and when we next speak to our >other nerd friends we can sound convincing when we utter words like >"demarc". > >Cheers! >Aaron. > > Right on... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:54:53 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:54:53 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DD40A8.3040905-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> Message-ID: <200501060954.53509.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 06 January 2005 08:44, Teddy Mills wrote: > DID YOU THINK IM GOING TO INSTALL A 45 FLOOR FIBER LINK MYSELF? > I DONT NEED TO TAKE YOUR OPINION OF MY TECHNICAL ABILITY, AND > IM QUITE SURE YOUR NOT THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF FIBER. Yeah, we all thought you were going to sneak in under the darkness of night, into some random building where you have no business being and then climb the elevator shafts dragging a big spool of cable ;-) > WHY YOU THINK I AM ASKING FOR OUTSIDE PROVIDERS/PEOPLE?? > FOR MY HEALTH? THREAD CLOSED. I found the "talk to the landlord" comments especially amusing - I assumed that you were the landlord, that you worked for the landlord or that the landlord had at least asked for advice in some form. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 14:41:57 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:41:57 -0500 Subject: looking for beta testers Message-ID: <20050106145540.F0986B49CF@outbox.allstream.net> Happy new year. I had an iCanProgram volunteer work me up a Knoppix HowTo for use with iCanProgram courses. The intended audience was not Linux users/developers like yourselves but rather Windows developers who might want to try out some Linux development without first doing a complete Linux install. While this is a work in progress I'm looking for volunteers to attempt the next session of the Intro to Linux Programming course armed only with a Knoppix CD and the Knoppix HowTo. If you are interested you can subscribe to the course mailing list by sending a blank email to: ican30ux-subscribe-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw at public.gmane.org The KnoppixHowTo is kept at: http://www.icanprogram.com/knoppixHowTo.html Any feedback would be appreciated. Also if you know of anyone else (particularly Windows developers) who might be willing to participate I'd welcome them. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 15:01:24 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:01:24 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <20050105214406.GQ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050106150123.GR30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:00:14PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > Possibly so, but do you care? If your only concern is to buy a workable > replacement for the old (say) 4GB drive in that firewall box, does it > *matter* whether the usable capacity of that $75 drive is 32GB or 80GB? When a solution exists to easily get the whole drive capacity, then yes I would care. Nothin wrong with another local fileserver giving more shared storage space to the local network. Besides if it is a dedicated firewall, perhaps you have another machine you can borrow the HD from another machine for the firewall and add the new large drive to your main machine. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 10:07:14 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:07:14 +0000 Subject: IRDA and Palm Message-ID: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Anyone here managed to sync a palm unit and a laptop using IRDA? Toshiba Satellite 1900 Treo 600 runing PalmOS5 ( visor ) Debian unstable Packages: kpilot irda-common irda-tools irda-utils ( current replacement for irda-common & irda-tools ) will not install for some reason. the pre-install script errors out every time. irdadump sees nothing when I attempt to hotsync. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 15:11:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:11:59 -0500 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <200501061007.14803.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050106151159.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:07:14AM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > Anyone here managed to sync a palm unit and a laptop using IRDA? > > Toshiba Satellite 1900 > Treo 600 runing PalmOS5 ( visor ) > > Debian unstable > > Packages: > kpilot > irda-common > irda-tools > > irda-utils ( current replacement for irda-common & irda-tools ) will not > install for some reason. the pre-install script errors out every time. > > irdadump sees nothing when I attempt to hotsync. So far I found pilot-link and jpilot to work for syncing my Tungsten E (palm os 5) while kpilot couldn't even find it. Pretty typical kde application problem in my experience. :) This is over usb link. None of my machines have IR unfortunately. Do you have an IR driver loaded? As in a kernel module for doing IR. Utilities alone isn't enough. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 15:31:02 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:31:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050106150123.GR30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050106150123.GR30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Possibly so, but do you care? If your only concern is to buy a workable > > replacement for the old (say) 4GB drive in that firewall box, does it > > *matter* whether the usable capacity of that $75 drive is 32GB or 80GB? > > When a solution exists to easily get the whole drive capacity, then yes > I would care. Nothin wrong with another local fileserver giving more > shared storage space to the local network. Sorry, but that's not correct. There is a *LOT* wrong with it. When the machine is a firewall, you do *NOT* want to run a fileserver on it. Machines whose job is security should run *NOTHING* not essential to their operation and maintenance. Let me put it still another way. Okay, you've got this machine with an aging little disk drive, and it can't take today's huge drives. Well, I've got a source of 32GB disk drives for you -- just small enough that the machine will take them without complications. They're brand new. They cost the same as today's low-end drives, maybe $50-75 -- that is to say, dirt cheap -- and can be had from the same suppliers. They've got the same performance and the same warranty. The only thing that's at all special about them is that you have to put one jumper plug on them before installing them. Sounds like just what you wanted, right? Disk space is no longer so precious that wasting a bit of it, to save yourself time and hassle, is cause for howls of anguish and a desperate search for alternatives. > Besides if it is a dedicated firewall, perhaps you have another machine > you can borrow the HD from another machine for the firewall and add the > new large drive to your main machine. Or just buy new drives for both. How much time and hassle is it worth to avoid wasting $30 worth of disk space?!? Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 15:06:43 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:06:43 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: References: <41DCCF56.8080308@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050106150643.GS30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:09:13AM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Dave Stubbs wrote: > > ...Wouldn't it be faster? Unless (I guess) the modern CPUs > > are just so powerful they can run the calc faster than the dedicated > > copro on the RAID card. > > Remember that modern CPUs have a cycle time of a fraction of a nanosecond. > That dedicated coprocessor probably doesn't have anywhere near that clock > speed, as witness the fact that it doesn't have its own howling cooling > fan. Unless it's a custom design, which it probably isn't, it can't do > that calculation anywhere *NEAR* as fast as the main CPU can. As far as I can tell, 3ware cards use a custom design for their raid controller, and it seems to have very good performance (at least in benchmarks), while the serveraid cards I have seen all had intel i960 (as far as I recall) chips on them, which is certainly not custom designed for the purpose of raid. After all many postscript printers use the same chip, and I don't see a whole lot of similarity between postscript rendering and raid. > The data takes longer to get through the *wires* than the main CPU needs > to run parity on it. (An electric signal travels only a few centimeters > along a wire in one main-CPU clock cycle!) > > This has always been the problem with such I/O-card coprocessors: unless > they have a radically different architecture than the main CPU, so much > better suited to the problem that they inherently handle it much more > efficiently, they will always be much slower than the main CPU, so they're > usually pretty useless. By their nature, they can't command anywhere near > the level of resources lavished on making the main CPU fast. And the > mind-boggling acceleration of CPU speeds in the last decade has made this > problem even worse. Yeah raid cards need a dedicated xor engine, not a generic cpu. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 10:51:15 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:51:15 +0000 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <20050106151159.GT30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20050106151159.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200501061051.15626.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 6, 2005 03:11 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:07:14AM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > > Anyone here managed to sync a palm unit and a laptop using IRDA? > > > > Toshiba Satellite 1900 > > Treo 600 runing PalmOS5 ( visor ) > > > > Debian unstable > > > > Packages: > > kpilot > > irda-common > > irda-tools > > > > irda-utils ( current replacement for irda-common & irda-tools ) will not > > install for some reason. the pre-install script errors out every time. > > > > irdadump sees nothing when I attempt to hotsync. > > So far I found pilot-link and jpilot to work for syncing my Tungsten E > (palm os 5) while kpilot couldn't even find it. Pretty typical kde > application problem in my experience. :) > > This is over usb link. None of my machines have IR unfortunately. > > Do you have an IR driver loaded? As in a kernel module for doing IR. > Utilities alone isn't enough. > I am using kpilot on all my machines with no effort at all. It works over USB on the satellite but I would prefer to be able to use the IRDA while mobile. I have no experience using IRDA under linux and the information I come across is of little assistance. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 16:33:12 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:33:12 -0500 Subject: Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <20050106150643.GS30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DCCF56.8080308@utoronto.ca> <20050106150643.GS30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DD6848.6010901@utoronto.ca> Anyone need Gmail? Let me know... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 17:39:47 2005 From: gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:39:47 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DBFEBD.8010002-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <41DD77E3.2080300@axentra.net> Sidney wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > need about four feet. Rogers uses Antronix cable splitters. http://www.antronix.net/Products/category.php?page=droppassives&i=7 I also have an cable amplifier supplied by Rogers. This model http://www.dbtronics.com/products/rf_electronics/dbtronics/multimedia_house_drop_amplifiers.html The cable technician who supplied these to me said that the splitters must be two-way and be able to pass all of the required frequencies. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org http://axentra.net/www/gwalsh/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 18:05:23 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:05:23 -0500 Subject: PHP Problem In Apache Message-ID: <34e8a43d05010610052445e740@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I'm running a slackware 10 box, as my web server. It comes with apache already installed. Server version: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) I installed PHP 4.3.9 on my web server a few days about, and it works. How ever when I'm using sessions in PHP, I get a strange warning that I can't get to go away. I know my code is correct, because i checked it on my other web site (provided by a hosting company). I get the error when I'm trying to write to a registered variable. Here is the warning. Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly relies on a session side-effect which existed until PHP 4.2.3. Please be advised that the session extension does not consider global variables as a source of data, unless register_globals is enabled. You can disable this functionality and this warning by setting session.bug_compat_42 or session.bug_compat_warn to off, respectively. in Unknown on line 0 I've turned resister_globals to On. And session.bug_compat_42 as well as session.bug_compat_warn are both turned off (these settings are in php.ini (/etc/apache) Any help would be great, thanks allot -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 18:40:28 2005 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:40:28 -0500 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <200501061051.15626.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20050106151159.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501061051.15626.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: Hi. I had IR working with my old Palm IIIx a few years ago (under Red Hat) to sync to my Thinkpad. I don't remember the specifics, but here's a basic checklist of things to check. 1. Make sure the hardware is enabled (ie. go into the BIOS, enable IR). 2. Make sure the Linux kernel detects it on boot. It'll likely show up to Linux as a serial port. Use "cat /proc/tty/driver/serial" to see. 3. Install the irda tools (you'll have to figure out why it doesn't install) and also the pilot-link utilities (command line tools for sync). 4. Load the appropriate kernel modules for IR (ircomm-tty, ircomm, these may have changed if you're using 2.6) 5. Run "irmanager" against the tty 6. Create a symlink "/dev/pilot" to "/dev/ttyX" 7. Try running "pilot-xfer -i", plug in the Treo, and hit the sync button, and see what happens. Again, sorry for the vagueness, it's been awhile since I did this, and I'm not familiar with Debian, so I don't know what's included and what's not. There's also a pretty good IRDA-HOWTO which you can get from www.tldp.org that helps. Good luck! pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 18:51:50 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:51:50 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <200501060954.53509.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <41DC7CA0.10509@ca.afilias.info> <41DD40A8.3040905@knet.ca> <200501060954.53509.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <41DD88C6.7000906@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fraser Campbell wrote: | On Thursday 06 January 2005 08:44, Teddy Mills wrote: | | |>DID YOU THINK IM GOING TO INSTALL A 45 FLOOR FIBER LINK MYSELF? |>I DONT NEED TO TAKE YOUR OPINION OF MY TECHNICAL ABILITY, AND |>IM QUITE SURE YOUR NOT THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF FIBER. | | | Yeah, we all thought you were going to sneak in under the darkness of night, | into some random building where you have no business being and then climb the | elevator shafts dragging a big spool of cable ;-) I thought it was blatently obvious that I wasn't talking about actually dragging the cable yourself. I was talking about co-ordinating the build-out and install. I am certainly not the "alpha and omega" of fiber but I have some experience with it. I have been in what I assume is the same position as you before: the company I'm working for needs a reliable, fast internet connection, and I was the guy who had to make it happen. My intent was not to comment on your technical abilities in general. I assumed they were sufficient. I did however feel it was appropriate to point out that when you're working with budgets in excess of $100k there tend to be expectations. The fact that you're looking for information on this subect in this forum indicates that you do not have the kind of knowledge necessary to make this kind of project a success. Which in turn raises the issue of liability (both corporate and personal). Since you've raised the issue, I will note that the most competent people I've worked with are also the most confident. They don't get upset when someone tells them that they're over their head and need to learn more or get professional help in an area outside their expertise. On the other hand, insecure wanna-be alpha geeks tend to get upset by the mere suggestion that there could be any area of technology in which they are not expert. |>WHY YOU THINK I AM ASKING FOR OUTSIDE PROVIDERS/PEOPLE?? |>FOR MY HEALTH? THREAD CLOSED. | | | I found the "talk to the landlord" comments especially amusing - I assumed | that you were the landlord, that you worked for the landlord or that the | landlord had at least asked for advice in some form. The way to close a thread in a public forum is to not respond. Which is exactly what I'm planning to do after this message. It is clear that you do not appreciate the advice of someone with industry experience. Good luck with your install. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB3YjFgfzn5SevSpoRAqhYAJ91G7jasRWp0j1AT9PBvjFfZbnkDACeKTta 6Xh2/XETk2rM+foaAhq6hcM= =n2a+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 10:02:37 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:02:37 +0200 (IST) Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41DCCF56.8080308-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> <41DC378D.3000203@utoronto.ca> <20050105190237.GM30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41DCCF56.8080308@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: > Wouldn't it be faster? Unless (I guess) the modern CPUs are just so powerful > they can run the calc faster than the dedicated copro on the RAID card. The only way that can happen imho, is if the parity calculation is done in hardware. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 19:55:24 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: stickers! Message-ID: <41DD97AC.1060500@alteeve.com> Hi all, Going by the philosophy that a laptop isn't loved unless it is covered in stickers, I have been on a hunt. I have lots of stickers now but no Tux stickers which is just not right... Can anyone recommend where I could get tux (and other general OSS related) stickers around Toronto? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 19:59:39 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:59:39 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DD88C6.7000906-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <200501060954.53509.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41DD88C6.7000906@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <200501061459.39860.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 06 January 2005 13:51, Andrew Hammond wrote: > The way to close a thread in a public forum is to not respond. Which is > exactly what I'm planning to do after this message. It is clear that you > do not appreciate the advice of someone with industry experience. Also, the way to followup to an email thread is to reply to the most relevant message in the thread. You seem to be addressing the points from Teddy's email and not mine (which you replied to). I didn't say the thread should be closed and I don't particularly care if the threads dies or not, as long as there is a trickle of useful tips, why not let it live. I do appreciate the advice of experienced people, and your recommendation of Metro LAN sounded like an interesting option. > Good luck with your install. I don't intend to install a fibre network (that was Teddy), of course I wish Teddy the greatest success for his project as well. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 20:31:06 2005 From: bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:31:06 -0500 Subject: stickers! Message-ID: Slow work day? ;) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison Kelly Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 14:55 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: stickers! Hi all, Going by the philosophy that a laptop isn't loved unless it is covered in stickers, I have been on a hunt. I have lots of stickers now but no Tux stickers which is just not right... Can anyone recommend where I could get tux (and other general OSS related) stickers around Toronto? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 20:52:53 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:52:53 -0500 Subject: stickers! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DDA525.90808@alteeve.com> Darn, that obvious? hehe... Actually, it was a piece of code I was re-working throwing me for a loop and me looking for distractions. :p Madison Brian K. Garel wrote: > Slow work day? ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison > Kelly > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 14:55 > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: stickers! > > Hi all, > > Going by the philosophy that a laptop isn't loved unless it is > covered in stickers, I have been on a hunt. I have lots of stickers now > but no Tux stickers which is just not right... Can anyone recommend > where I could get tux (and other general OSS related) stickers around > Toronto? > > Thanks! > > Madison How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 21:04:01 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: stickers! In-Reply-To: <41DD97AC.1060500-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DD97AC.1060500@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050106210401.92121.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > Going by the philosophy that a laptop isn't loved > unless it is > covered in stickers, I have been on a hunt. I have > lots of stickers now > but no Tux stickers which is just not right... Can > anyone recommend > where I could get tux (and other general OSS > related) stickers around > Toronto? I don't know of any local places that sell Tux stickers. If you are in a rush, and quality is not a big concern you could get a sheet of adhesive paper, a colour printer and roll your own stickers. A little while back there was someone at one of the NewTLUG meetings who had done this and was passing out some of his work to the group (sorry I don't remember the person's name). A while back when I wanted some 1 sq. inch Tux case badges (with the nice dome top) I ordered 20 of them from a firm in the U.K. (why the U.K.? because I could get them cheaper there than anywhere in Canada/U.S..). Then what I did was keep a few badges for myself and sold the rest at TLUG meetings. I ended up making a (very small) profit on the deal, and in essence got a few "free" badges for myself. Question is, would it be worth doing a repeat of this? Would TLUG members be interested in a bunch of 1 sq. inch Tux and/or 1 sq. inch Debian swirl case badges? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 22:53:42 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:53:42 -0500 Subject: stickers! In-Reply-To: <41DD97AC.1060500-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41DD97AC.1060500@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41DDC176.4080208@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > Going by the philosophy that a laptop isn't loved unless it is > covered in stickers, I have been on a hunt. I have lots of stickers now > but no Tux stickers which is just not right... Can anyone recommend > where I could get tux (and other general OSS related) stickers around > Toronto? I bought some raised dome Tux stickers from CheapBytes. http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/1000010109.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:19:54 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:19:54 -0700 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DDC55A.3090606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <41DDC55A.3090606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <7aa37fa80501061519eb3a893@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:10:18 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Sidney wrote: > > Howdy all, > > > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > > need about four feet. > > Many electronics stores carry the proper splitters, cables and > connectors. You'll want good quality RG-6, with foil and braid shield. > Don't bother with those cheap crimp on connectors. You need the type > with two cylinders, that go over and under the cover and shield. > get the cheapest dollar store splitter and put it - it should work fine. The only thing you should check is that none of the terminals of the splitter are left open or unterminated, that will create a shadow in regular cable - and will screw up digital cable. All the heavy duty and sheilded stuff is if you want to split between two houses without an amp in between. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:25:05 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:25:05 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <20050105151958.GI30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DDC8D1.6030007@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:50:37AM -0500, Sidney wrote: > >>I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I >>would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a >>cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it >>using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not >>shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the >>heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I >>need about four feet. > > > Some tuner cards get a lot of interference simply from being crappy > cards installed inside a noisy computer. Some tuners have good > shielding and bus isolation, others (like the original ati tuner) do > not. But a good cable could help a lot too especially being so close to > the computer. Not sure where to buy that though. Maybe monster cable > makes coax cables (for lots of money too of course but still). Monster cables are over priced hype. Anyone who buys them, has more money than brains. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:26:57 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:26:57 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <20050105152026.GJ30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105152026.GJ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DDC941.6070007@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:10:04AM -0500, Steve wrote: > >>On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:50:37 -0500, Sidney wrote: >> >>>Howdy all, >>> >>>I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I >>>would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a >>>cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it >>>using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not >>>shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the >>>heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I >>>need about four feet. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Sid >> >>You should be able to just walk into any Rogers outlet and say you >>need a 6' jumper cable (explain that you had to move your TV or >>something). They used to just give away 6' cables (with connectors on) >>to anyone who asked. > > > He wanted GOOD coax cable. :) Actually, Rogers is a good place to get them, because they're legally responsible for resolving interference problems. They don't want their customers using poor quality cables. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:32:25 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:32:25 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <41DC0A77.7010002-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> Message-ID: <41DDCA89.2050904@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the > installation, thats fine.) > I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer > to do the install. > It is 40 floors to the basement. > Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? > (I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the cable > itself is not that expensive?) > If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive the > installation price to 20k or more > > Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact > some providers of fiber internet. > Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? Your best bet, is to get some quotes, from a few installation companies. However, if your building is 40 floors, they likely have their own contractor for running all cables, so you'll have to check with the landlord. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:10:18 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:10:18 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <41DBFEBD.8010002-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <41DDC55A.3090606@rogers.com> Sidney wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I > would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a > cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it > using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not > shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the > heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I > need about four feet. Many electronics stores carry the proper splitters, cables and connectors. You'll want good quality RG-6, with foil and braid shield. Don't bother with those cheap crimp on connectors. You need the type with two cylinders, that go over and under the cover and shield. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:38:11 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:38:11 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <20050105155333.GL30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41DC0A77.7010002@knet.ca> <20050105155333.GL30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41DDCBE3.6090601@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:40:39AM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > >>I want to look at some fiber internet. (If we have to spent 5k on the >>installation, thats fine.) >>I would like to find a experienced and reputable fiber cable installer >>to do the install. >>It is 40 floors to the basement. >>Could the installer run between 3 and 5 fiber cables? >>(I would imagine the installation would be the expensive item, the cable >>itself is not that expensive?) >>If the fiber has to be put inside a steel tube, then that will drive the >>installation price to 20k or more > > > Does the building owner allow for that kind of installation (one would > hope so but who knows with some places). > > >>Once the fiber in the building is complete, I would like to contact >>some providers of fiber internet. >>Again, know of any in the downtown Toronto area? > > > I remember seeing a few years ago that Toronto Hydro offers fiber > internet access. Apparently they have a large fiber network around > toronto for their own use they they also sell access to. > > A list of some companies that offer fiber would be on the page for 151 > Front Street: > http://www.carrierhotels.com/properties/trizechahn/151front.shtml#Fiber > > A lot of them are either present there or at least connected to there. > > Hmm, what would happen to the internet access in Toronto if 151 Front > Street was to get cut off... Probably would loose a lot of it. I used to plan the installation of communication equipment in that building (my office was in the NE corner of the 5th floor) back in the Unitel days. There is redundancy available, but it's up to the individual companies, as to whether they have redundant paths routes. Incidentally, that building is referrered to as a "fibre hotel", where many companies interconnect. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:44:55 2005 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:44:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to turn off the cpu fan in redhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: <41DDC941.6070007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41DDC941.6070007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050106234455.14847.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I just bought a old laptop (cpu 450, Mem 64 M) and installed redhat 7.3 on it. I encounter the following problems: 1. the cpu fan will tun on around every 1 minutes and it is noise. Is there any way to turn off it ? 2. When I browser the internet, it is much slower comparing to my other computer. I don't want to spend money on the memory for this old computer. Is there any way to make the computer run faster? (I checked reference, the recommanded RAM is 64M for redhat 7.3) Thanks! HUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 6 23:50:22 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:50:22 -0500 Subject: Fibre installation and fiber providers In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2050105084528f7fcbe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501051635.j05GZqMM079155@localhost.generalconcepts.com> <4386c5b2050105084528f7fcbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41DDCEBE.7010309@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: >>Find your provider first - let them worry about the details. > > > But by all means, please let us know what you discover. I'm very > curious to know how fiber works! You shine a little laser in one end, and detect it at the other. ;-) Actually, fibre is far superior to copper in many ways, not the least of which, is virtually limitless bandwidth. Certainly far more than you're likely to use. It can also run many kilometres, without regeneration, which decreases latency and failure points etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 00:05:20 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: how to turn off the cpu fan in redhat 7.3 In-Reply-To: <20050106234455.14847.qmail-XWjPf3fAVHGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20050106234455.14847.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41DDD240.2090005@rogers.com> > 1. the cpu fan will tun on around every 1 minutes and it is noise. > Is there any way to turn off it ? You may be able to... but then again, it might be the kind of thing that's driven by the hardware itself, in which case, it's probably a good thing that it's coming on. If it didn't, perhaps your hardware might overheat and crash or damage itself. Check your BIOS first; you might have fan and noise control options in there too (I've seen that before). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 02:16:38 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:38 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <20050105135448.B27475-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050105135448.B27475@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41DDF106.7040205@rogers.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > The hard drive on my wife's Windows machine recently blew up (literally). > There is now an integrated circuit on the controller board with a small > crater and evidence of flame damage in one corner. > > When I got the machine repaired at OTA, the service tech said something > about this type of drive being prone to such behaviour and that they had > replaced a number of them, so you if you have one you might want to be > proactive about replacing it. This is what it says on the cover: > > Quantum Fireball lct N143, 10 3.5". > 10.2AT P/N LB10A011 Rev 01-A. > > Dunno the size, probably 10.2 gigs I would guess from the part number. > > Peter Well, at least you know why they call it a "Fireball". ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 02:21:12 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:21:12 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <20050105151958.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41DC435F.7030207@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <41DDF218.3050107@rogers.com> Paul Mora wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:43:27 -0500, Sidney Shapiro > >>The cables I was using seem to be of very cheap quality. I great a great >>picture with the rogers cable attached directly to the computer. I think >>it may be because of the splitter and the wire (I picked them up at a >>dollar store). I am going to try to find a higher end wire and splitter >>and see if that does the trick. I called Rogers to see if I could get >>one at their locations and they said to just go in and check, so thats >>my next stop. > > > I've also found those cable amplifier/filter boxes to be very good at > boosting and improving picture quality. I use them in conjunction > with a splitter and get great results. > > You can get them at Radio Shack, Canadian Tire, Home Depot, etc. One thing to bear in mind, if they're going to be used with a cable modem, they must be bidirectional amps. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 03:09:22 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:09:22 -0500 Subject: Cable Splitter for Rogers In-Reply-To: <7aa37fa80501061519eb3a893-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41DBFEBD.8010002@ksmultimedia.com> <41DDC55A.3090606@rogers.com> <7aa37fa80501061519eb3a893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41DDFD62.7020206@rogers.com> Adil Kodian wrote: > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:10:18 -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Sidney wrote: >> >>>Howdy all, >>> >>>I have Rogers high speed, the fastest residential package they offer. I >>>would like to split the coax cable going into my cable modem and get a >>>cable going into my computer's tuner card as well. I tried doing it >>>using some cheaply cable I had lying around. It worked, but it was not >>>shielded and the TV signal was of poor quality. Where can I get the >>>heavy duty cable, splitter and connectors rogers seems to be using? I >>>need about four feet. >> >>Many electronics stores carry the proper splitters, cables and >>connectors. You'll want good quality RG-6, with foil and braid shield. >> Don't bother with those cheap crimp on connectors. You need the type >>with two cylinders, that go over and under the cover and shield. >> > > > get the cheapest dollar store splitter and put it - it should work > fine. The only thing you should check is that none of the terminals of > the splitter are left open or unterminated, that will create a shadow > in regular cable - and will screw up digital cable. That is what he's already tried and it caused him problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 03:25:33 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:25:33 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750@pop3.ilap.com> Message-ID: <41DE012D.3090604@rogers.com> dave morton wrote: > Are screensavers necessary to protect my lcd monitor? I understand that > these screens > do not suffer from pshospor over-burn so why bother. > Thanks > Dave You might want to check your clock. According to the headers, you sent this message last year. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 03:55:13 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:55:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RevolutionOS on TV Tonight! Message-ID: <20050107035420.A26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> 11:25pm on CBC on the programme ZeD. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 04:08:04 2005 From: pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Kozlenko) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:08:04 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <41DAC53F.8010603-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> Message-ID: <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Thanks to all that responded to my ..ahem.. newbie type questions. Myself and a few others will be proceding with a project it seems. LAMP is the environment of choice, Thanks again. - Paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 05:35:40 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:40 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> Hi Paul, I would recommend you to choose LAPP instead of LAMP (PostgreSQL instead of MySQL). First of all you will have more stable environment, as well as you will forget the licensing headache from future MySQL AB license perturbations, as well as more solid DB ( I would say the PostgreSQL is an OpenSource Oracle ). I have quite a lot of experience with different flavors of DB ( Oracle, Sybase, MS-SQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL ) and I had only positive experience only with Oracle and PostgreSQL. MySQL fast on simple queries, and in case if you have only few users who is querying DB, if more users starts to querying or more complex queries at the same time - MySQL quite often corrupting indexes. PG behaves very well in the most of the cases, and shows incredible performance on very complex queries. PG's feature set is just outstanding! Many of features was implemented only in PG. All my ranting is based only on my experience. All the Best! Sergey. Paul Kozlenko wrote: >Thanks to all that responded to my ..ahem.. newbie type questions. >Myself and a few others will be proceding with a project it seems. > >LAMP is the environment of choice, >Thanks again. > >- Paul >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 05:51:06 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <41DE1FAC.1010005-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:40 -0500 Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I would recommend you to choose LAPP instead of LAMP (PostgreSQL instead > of MySQL). > First of all you will have more stable environment, as well as you will > forget the licensing headache from > future MySQL AB license perturbations, as well as more solid DB ( I > would say the PostgreSQL is an > OpenSource Oracle ). I have quite a lot of experience with different > flavors of DB ( Oracle, Sybase, > MS-SQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL ) and I had only positive experience only with > Oracle and PostgreSQL. > MySQL fast on simple queries, and in case if you have only few users who > is querying DB, > if more users starts to querying or more complex queries at the same > time - MySQL quite often corrupting > indexes. PG behaves very well in the most of the cases, and shows > incredible performance on very complex > queries. PG's feature set is just outstanding! Many of features was > implemented only in PG. > I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real in the future. One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 06:06:26 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 01:06:26 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107005106.14e40fa9-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41DE26E2.6020608@deeptown.org> Logan Rathbone wrote: >On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:40 -0500 >Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > >>Hi Paul, >> >>I would recommend you to choose LAPP instead of LAMP (PostgreSQL >> >> >instead > > >>of MySQL). >>First of all you will have more stable environment, as well as you >> >> >will > > >>forget the licensing headache from >>future MySQL AB license perturbations, as well as more solid DB ( I >>would say the PostgreSQL is an >>OpenSource Oracle ). I have quite a lot of experience with different >>flavors of DB ( Oracle, Sybase, >>MS-SQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL ) and I had only positive experience only >> >> >with > > >>Oracle and PostgreSQL. >>MySQL fast on simple queries, and in case if you have only few users >> >> >who > > >>is querying DB, >>if more users starts to querying or more complex queries at the same >>time - MySQL quite often corrupting >>indexes. PG behaves very well in the most of the cases, and shows >>incredible performance on very complex >>queries. PG's feature set is just outstanding! Many of features was >>implemented only in PG. >> >> >> > >I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have >been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work >but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real >in the future. > >One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works >really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin >web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave >on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. > >Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your >PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? > > I am extensively using phpPgAdmin, which is works perfect for me. PHP have native interface to PostgreSQL, like the same it has to MySQL. I am not using PHP because of quite unsecured code. This is quite new language, therefore the security of this language is not proved yet ( you can see how many security holes in PHP being discovered quite often). I do all my work for Web only on Perl + fast-cgi and my template package. It gives me flexibility not lesser than PHP. BTW, Perl's CPAN site have most impressive set of modules, which is on my opinion is supersedes any Java JDK with all free Java libraries. Using Perl with CPAN modules you can do whatever you want or can imagine. But this is my choice and my opinion, and I don't want to start another holy war =) All the Best! Sergey. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 15:32:52 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:32:52 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107005106.14e40fa9-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050107153252.GU30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:51:06AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have > been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work > but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real > in the future. > > One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works > really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin > web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave > on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. > > Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your > PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? PHPPgAdmin perhaps? I think I have seen something called pgaccess too. And unlike mysql, the psql command line utility is actually useful and helpful. And it does work very well with PHP. I have used postgresql with PHP for a number of years and it just keeps getting better. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 15:50:19 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:50:19 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107153825.D94456DC90-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050107153825.D94456DC90@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41DEAFBB.1060606@deeptown.org> By the way, I just adore the SSL-feature of PG. It allows me to connect to PG from any place thru Internet and not afraid if someone will intercept my data. All my Perl-scripts connects only thru SSL-enabled connection. I don't know if any other DB allows that. All The Best! Sergey. DanG wrote: >I have to agree. I have used both DB systems in the last few years and I >prefer the robustness and additional features of PostgreSQL. Version 8 is >just around the corner (I think it's one week away from release actually) >with a host of additions and functionality and from a licensing point of >view makes my life much easier. > >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart >Sorensen >Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:33 AM >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New Open Source Project > >On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:51:06AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > > >>I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have >>been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work >>but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real >>in the future. >> >>One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works >>really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin >>web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave >>on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. >> >>Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your >>PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? >> >> > >PHPPgAdmin perhaps? I think I have seen something called pgaccess too. >And unlike mysql, the psql command line utility is actually useful and >helpful. And it does work very well with PHP. I have used postgresql >with PHP for a number of years and it just keeps getting better. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 15:51:20 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:51:20 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107153252.GU30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> <20050107153252.GU30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050107105120.18d16675.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:32:52 -0500 lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:51:06AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > > I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have > > been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work > > but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real > > in the future. > > > > One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works > > really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin > > web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave > > on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. > > > > Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your > > PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? Yes, you can get http://freshmeat.net/projects/phppgadmin/ which is more or less PHPMyAdmin for PostgreSQL. You can also get Rekall, which is a GUI database frontend with plugins for most of the databases out there. I put a wiki page with some Rekall links at http://www.memeshadow.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/Rekall as well as PgAccess http://freshmeat.net/projects/pgaccess/ Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 15:40:53 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:40:53 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107005106.14e40fa9-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1105112453.16331.6.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 00:51 -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:40 -0500 > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > I would recommend you to choose LAPP instead of LAMP (PostgreSQL > instead > > of MySQL). > > First of all you will have more stable environment, as well as you > will > > forget the licensing headache from > > future MySQL AB license perturbations, as well as more solid DB ( I > > would say the PostgreSQL is an > > OpenSource Oracle ). I have quite a lot of experience with different > > flavors of DB ( Oracle, Sybase, > > MS-SQL, MySQL, PostgreSQL ) and I had only positive experience only > with > > Oracle and PostgreSQL. > > MySQL fast on simple queries, and in case if you have only few users > who > > is querying DB, > > if more users starts to querying or more complex queries at the same > > time - MySQL quite often corrupting > > indexes. PG behaves very well in the most of the cases, and shows > > incredible performance on very complex > > queries. PG's feature set is just outstanding! Many of features was > > implemented only in PG. > > > > I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have > been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work > but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real > in the future. > > One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works > really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin > web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave > on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. > > Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your > PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > pgAdmin III is another good way to view your database visually. It also runs on windows just in case you need that as well. However, as Lennart said, the command line for PostgreSQL is far superior than any database I have worked with, especially Oracle. http://www.pgadmin.org/ Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 16:53:02 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:53:02 -0500 Subject: CRM/ERP In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF46-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF46@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <41DEBE6E.8030303@deeptown.org> When I did work for MCI Canada, our sales have used Siebel for those purposes. All the Best! Sergey. Wil McGilvery wrote: > I having been looking to centralize everything that I do into one > program if possible and so far I am come close, but I haven't found > the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow yet. > > Like everyone else I wish to make it simple to find a retrieve > information without having to use 3 or 4 different programs or create > bridges to link information together. > > My wish list would be a single program that would: > > Maintain a Database of Customers, Vendors etc. > > Provide Sales and Opportunities (Pipeline) > > Create Quotes and be able to Convert to Orders > > Track Service Contracts > > Help Desk > > Track Assets > > Project Management > > Cross Platform or Web Based > > It doesn't have to be free or open source, but it does have to work > well and Somebody needs to be able to support it. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery > > Manager > > Lynch Digital Media Inc > > > > 905-363-1600 > > 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 > > 416-716-3964 (cell) > > 1-866-314-4678 > > 905-363-1194 FAX > > _www.LynchDigital.com_ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Like everyone else I wish to make it simple to find a retrieve information without having to use 3 or 4 different programs or create bridges to link information together. My wish list would be a single program that would: Maintain a Database of Customers, Vendors etc. Provide Sales and Opportunities (Pipeline) Create Quotes and be able to Convert to Orders Track Service Contracts Help Desk Track Assets Project Management Cross Platform or Web Based It doesn't have to be free or open source, but it does have to work well and Somebody needs to be able to support it. Any ideas or suggestions? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wish list would be a single program that would: Maintain a Database of Customers, Vendors etc. Provide Sales and Opportunities (Pipeline) Create Quotes and be able to Convert to Orders Track Service Contracts Help Desk Track Assets Project Management Cross Platform or Web Based It doesn't have to be free or open source, but it does have to work well and Somebody needs to be able to support it. Any ideas or suggestions? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They may do the trick. You will have to > look at the licenses to see what is applicable to you. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] *On Behalf Of *Wil > McGilvery > *Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2005 11:48 AM > *To:* tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > *Subject:* [TLUG]: CRM/ERP > > > > I having been looking to centralize everything that I do into one > program if possible and so far I am come close, but I haven?t found the > pot of gold at the end of the rainbow yet. > > Like everyone else I wish to make it simple to find a retrieve > information without having to use 3 or 4 different programs or create > bridges to link information together. > > My wish list would be a single program that would: > > Maintain a Database of Customers, Vendors etc. > > Provide Sales and Opportunities (Pipeline) > > Create Quotes and be able to Convert to Orders > > Track Service Contracts > > Help Desk > > Track Assets > > Project Management > > Cross Platform or Web Based > > It doesn?t have to be free or open source, but it does have to work well > and Somebody needs to be able to support it. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery > > Manager > > Lynch Digital Media Inc > > > > 905-363-1600 > > 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 > > 416-716-3964 (cell) > > 1-866-314-4678 > > 905-363-1194 FAX > > www.LynchDigital.com > -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 17:15:00 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:15 -0500 Subject: CRM/ERP In-Reply-To: <20050107165622.6D3EA6DC3A-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF46@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> <20050107165622.6D3EA6DC3A@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <193-SnapperMsgB9FE4EF2BE047443@69.158.246.207> Note to anyone who might have sugarCRM installed make sure "register-globals" is off as per todays secuina advisory SA13747. other than that isssue, ( that I am sure will be fixed in a short while ) egroupware and SugarCRM are great apps. ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com ...... Original Message ....... On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:55:53 -0500 "DanG" wrote: > > >Look at egroupware & sugarcrm. They -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 17:15:16 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:15:16 -0500 Subject: CRM/ERP In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF46-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF46@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <1105118116.16331.15.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 11:47 -0500, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I having been looking to centralize everything that I do into one > program if possible and so far I am come close, but I haven?t found > the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow yet. > > Like everyone else I wish to make it simple to find a retrieve > information without having to use 3 or 4 different programs or create > bridges to link information together. > > My wish list would be a single program that would: > > Maintain a Database of Customers, Vendors etc. > > Provide Sales and Opportunities (Pipeline) > > Create Quotes and be able to Convert to Orders > > Track Service Contracts > > Help Desk > > Track Assets > > Project Management > > Cross Platform or Web Based > > It doesn?t have to be free or open source, but it does have to work > well and Somebody needs to be able to support it. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery > > Manager > > Lynch Digital Media Inc > > > > 905-363-1600 > > 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 > > 416-716-3964 (cell) > > 1-866-314-4678 > > 905-363-1194 FAX > > www.LynchDigital.com > Hey, I actually work for a company that sells a web based application that I think does what you are looking for. I am just a developer so I have no idea what the costs are or anything like that but I could put you in touch with someone who does. I don't want to try to sell anything on this email-list so just email me offlist if you are interested and I can put you in contact with someone who will tell you more. No pressure, just trying to help. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 15:37:57 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:37:57 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <20050107153252.GU30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050107153252.GU30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050107153825.D94456DC90@lethe.ss.org> I have to agree. I have used both DB systems in the last few years and I prefer the robustness and additional features of PostgreSQL. Version 8 is just around the corner (I think it's one week away from release actually) with a host of additions and functionality and from a licensing point of view makes my life much easier. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart Sorensen Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:33 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: New Open Source Project On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:51:06AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > I just thought I'd bud into your conversation for a sec ... I too have > been working on getting a similar system going, not for any "real" work > but just to figure out how it all works should I need to do it for real > in the future. > > One of the things that led me to choose MySQL was that I heard it works > really well with PHP, and above all, I could use the PHPMyAdmin > web-based tool to view my database. But I've been hearing people rave > on about both Firebird and PostgreSQL. > > Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your > PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? PHPPgAdmin perhaps? I think I have seen something called pgaccess too. And unlike mysql, the psql command line utility is actually useful and helpful. And it does work very well with PHP. I have used postgresql with PHP for a number of years and it just keeps getting better. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 20:38:47 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:38:47 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <41DEAFBB.1060606-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050107153825.D94456DC90@lethe.ss.org> <41DEAFBB.1060606@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <200501071538.47675.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 07 January 2005 10:50, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > By the way, I just adore the SSL-feature of PG. It allows me to connect > to PG from any place thru Internet and not afraid if someone will intercept > my data. I can see the application of SSL in a LAN/DMZ environment but I hate the thought of exposing another daemon to the Internet ... if the IPs allowed access are limited by firewall rules then I'd feel better about it. > All my Perl-scripts connects only thru SSL-enabled connection. > I don't know if any other DB allows that. mysql does for sure, whether as well as pg I have no idea. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 7 20:52:09 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:52:09 -0500 Subject: New Open Source Project In-Reply-To: <200501071538.47675.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20050107153825.D94456DC90@lethe.ss.org> <41DEAFBB.1060606@deeptown.org> <200501071538.47675.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <41DEF679.4030402@deeptown.org> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On Friday 07 January 2005 10:50, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > >>By the way, I just adore the SSL-feature of PG. It allows me to connect >>to PG from any place thru Internet and not afraid if someone will intercept >>my data. >> >> > >I can see the application of SSL in a LAN/DMZ environment but I hate the >thought of exposing another daemon to the Internet ... if the IPs allowed >access are limited by firewall rules then I'd feel better about it. > > > SSL is integrated into PG itself. It listens on the main PG port. It recognizes SSL or non-SSL connection, based on pg_hba.conf record entry. Here is the example: hostssl dbname1 user1 10.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust host dbname2 user1 10.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust (I know that trust is quite insecure, but this is example =) it this example you can connect to securely to dbname1 as user1, and without SSL to dbname2 at the same computer. >>All my Perl-scripts connects only thru SSL-enabled connection. >>I don't know if any other DB allows that. >> >> > >mysql does for sure, whether as well as pg I have no idea. > > > It possible to do with any DB via stunnel trick. All the Best! Sergey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the more important 'sub-partitions' that you will need to create is called "Home" and that is where all your data files will reside. If you take care to format this particular partition as FAT 32, then you will be able to access your data from both Windows and Linux (which can be useful when you are taking your first steps in Linux. The very nature of your question suggests to me that you are very new to Linux. I think that you could do yourself a huge favour by buying / borrowing a book like "Fedora Core Unleashed", "Running Linux", or even "Linux for Dummies" and then spending some time getting a good grasp on how the file system structure is set up in Linux. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 04:13:43 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:13:43 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora... In-Reply-To: <41DF5AB2.3080109-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41DF5AB2.3080109@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41DF5DF7.7070301@sympatico.ca> John McGregor wrote: > > I think that you could do yourself a huge favour by buying / > borrowing a book like "Fedora Core Unleashed", "Running Linux", or > even "Linux for Dummies" and then spending some time getting a good > grasp on how the file system structure is set up in Linux. good suggestion, Mr McGregor, another thing that a n00b (no disrespect, we were all there once) should consider is to give a "live" linux CD a spin. You get to see it in action, poke around, kick the tires without partitioning/formatting/installing. see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ or knoppix.net or http://slax.linux-live.org/ djp > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 04:28:00 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:28:00 -0500 Subject: MythTV, low-power, Look Message-ID: Hi TLUG, I'm very interested in setting up some sort of low-power file server, and given the physical layout of my network, this would likely be located right next to my television. I've been looking at solutions like the NSLU2 but for some reason Canadian retailers are charging *double* the American price for that unit (and it appears that even the active hacking community cannot make the attached drives spin down!) Can anyone recommend an affordable, low-power, Free-OS-based solution? Also, if this solution would involve building a new machine, would it be worth in setting up MythTV? I get my TV through Look so I imagine that this would involve acquiring an infared blaster to control the receiver. I'm not aware of anyone that has this working with *Look*, though. Perhaps just TV-out? Anyone know where I could get a modded X-box on the cheap for the X-box Media Centre? This would meet my needs *perfectly*. :) Happy Orthodox Christmas! Mike -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 15:11:53 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:11:53 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? Message-ID: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> After an upgrade in Sarge where a ton of packages were updated, I noticed that there were multiple X servers starting (ie, in :1, :2, :3:, :4, etc, as well as :0). While I never knew you could do that on one machine (CTRL+ALT+Fn gets you to the different instances of X), and while it might come in handy, right now it is a nuisance as no window manager will begin while these are coming up. In between instances, an error message is generated telling me that, for example, it was trying to start a server on :0, but found one already there. Would I like it to start one on :1? A "No" to that question simply repeats its attempt to restart on :0 (which will fail), resulting in a repeat of the same console message. A "Yes" starts it on :1 and generates the next error message where it complains that it is trying to load another server on to :1, and there is already an X server running on :1. Apparently, this process will repeat to an instance number as high as you like. I stopped at :5 (CTRL+ALT+F12!!!), thinking this will go on indefinitely. Then I killed all the servers and processes associated with X, including gdm (which was also running multiple processes). Questions for you uber-geeks out there: 1. How do you start multiple X servers (in case I want to try it out in a more controlled way later on)? 2. Any idea as to what scripts to check out to fix this? Paul King========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 16:35:39 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:35:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> Message-ID: <20050108162747.H26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Paul King wrote: > 1. How do you start multiple X servers (in case I want to try it out in > a more controlled way later on)? It can be done manually with something like X :0 , X :1 , etc. It is recommended to specify the virtual terminal to avoid race conditions. Starting multiple X servers as part of the bootup process is display manager dependent. For kdm or xdm look for a file called Xservers which specifies how many X server to start and on what virtual consoles. Here is the interesting part of mine: :0 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -dpi 100 vt2 :1 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -dpi 100 vt3 # :2 local at tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :2 -dpi 100 vt4 As you can see I have 2 running, and a 3rd commented out. Running multiple X servers, while much better than it used to be, still reduces the stability of a box. I hardlocked a box about a month ago while playing with X configuration while swapping between :0 and :1. One interesting consequence is that you can use the displays to provide remote access to other boxes. I regularly do this with my company laptop. :0 allows access to the local box, while :1 is a display allowing access to a company thin client server. > 2. Any idea as to what scripts to check out to fix this? I've never heard of a distro starting multiple X servers by default. It really sounds like a loop gone wild somewhere. More info would be needed to track it. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 20:57:31 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:57:31 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501081557.31335.amarjan@pobox.com> On January 5, 2005 04:35 pm, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Andrej Marjan wrote: > > That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB hard > > drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere I > > could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) > > drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that > > supports 40GB+ hard drives? > > It used to be common for hard drives to have jumper options telling them > to lie about their capacity, precisely to handle such situations. Meant > that you couldn't use the extra, but at least the drive would work. Don't > know how common this is now -- haven't checked lately. (Hmm, a Maxtor 40 > that I bought about a year ago has a "cap limit" jumper, and a Seagate 80 > bought a few days ago has a "limit to 32GB" jumper, so I think this > capability is still current. Best buy a replacement soon, though.) I didn't realize this. It never occurred to me to even look for such a thing. Thanks very much, it's just what I need. I have an extra Seagate 80 with the same jumper, but an easily accessible Maxtor 80 here does not. Lennart's talk of soft clipping led me to some discussions of a "stroke" parameter that Linux supports on boot. Apparently passing "hdX=stroke" will allow Linux to see the full capacity of a jumpered drive. I'll give it a try when I have a moment to rebuild my firewall, and I'll let everyone know. Thanks for all replies! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 20:59:53 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:59:53 -0700 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <200501081557.31335.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501081557.31335.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Andrej Marjan Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:58 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Bad Hard Drive On January 5, 2005 04:35 pm, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Andrej Marjan wrote: > > That reminds me, the firewall in question can only take up to 37GB hard > > drives, but nobody seems to carry them anymore. Is there anywhere I > > could get a replacement drive for the (abovementioned, soon to fail) > > drive? Or am I looking at getting an add-in PCI ATA controller that > > supports 40GB+ hard drives? > > It used to be common for hard drives to have jumper options telling them > to lie about their capacity, precisely to handle such situations. Meant > that you couldn't use the extra, but at least the drive would work. Don't > know how common this is now -- haven't checked lately. (Hmm, a Maxtor 40 > that I bought about a year ago has a "cap limit" jumper, and a Seagate 80 > bought a few days ago has a "limit to 32GB" jumper, so I think this > capability is still current. Best buy a replacement soon, though.) sometimes - you also have a bios setting that allows you to limit the size of any disk to 32G without any jumpering. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 21:02:42 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? Message-ID: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Hi folks, Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 distros to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T Neo2-Fir mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs well and supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. Thanks Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 16:16:35 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:16:35 +0000 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <200501081616.36122.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 8, 2005 09:02 pm, DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 distros > to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T Neo2-Fir > mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs well and > supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dan As of this weekend the SuSE 9.2 FTP edition DVD is available for download. http://distrowatch.rospot.com/02238 DVD .iso has i386 and x86_64 included on it. Not all the mirrors have it yet. I found a good connection at ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/92-iso-split/SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso.part1 ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/92-iso-split/SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso.part2 use GTK splitter to reassemble the two parts http://gtk-splitter.sourceforge.net/ -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 21:33:14 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:33:14 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41E0519A.2020506@deeptown.org> DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 > distros to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T > Neo2-Fir mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that > runs well and supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dan > For server installation - I do recommend Gentoo distro. For Desktop installation - probably Suse or Mandrake. All the Best! Sergey. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 17:10:08 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:10:08 +0000 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <41E0519A.2020506-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> <41E0519A.2020506@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <200501081710.09034.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 8, 2005 09:33 pm, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > For Desktop > installation - probably Suse or Mandrake. I second this - I can say that Mandrake & Suse are ahead of the curve on 64-bit Desktop Linux,. -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 8 22:24:17 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:24:17 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41E05D91.6050002@alteeve.com> DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 > distros to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T > Neo2-Fir mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs > well and supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. > > I've been using Fedora Core 3-64 since it came out. Works great for me. Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 01:23:41 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:23:41 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <20050108162747.H26933-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> Message-ID: <41E0414D.27723.E98EF@localhost> XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 20041215174925 fabbione-hi90JgxQ6n/k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Release Date: 15 August 2003 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6 Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.26 i686 [ELF] Build Date: 15 December 2004 This version of XFree86 has been extensively modified by the Debian Project, and is not supported by the XFree86 Project, Inc., in any way. Bugs should be reported to the Debian Bug Tracking System; see . We strongly encourage the use of the "reportbug" package and command to ensure that bug reports contain as much useful information as possible. Before filing a bug report, you may want to consult the Debian X FAQ: XHTML version: file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.xhtml plain text version: file:///usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.8-1-386 (joshk at trollwife) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 25 04:24:08 UTC 2004 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Jan 8 19:56:22 2005 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" (==) ServerLayout "Simple Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Screen 1" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Samsung" (**) | |-->Device "ATI Radeon (generic)" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1" (**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104" (**) XKB: model: "pc104" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (++) using VT number 7 (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8000003c, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1106,0305 card 1043,8042 rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1106,8305 card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:04:0: chip 1106,0686 card 1043,8042 rev 40 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:04:1: chip 1106,0571 card 0000,0000 rev 06 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:04:2: chip 1106,3038 card 0925,1234 rev 16 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:04:3: chip 1106,3038 card 0925,1234 rev 16 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:04:4: chip 1106,3057 card 1043,8042 rev 40 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:09:0: chip 10ec,8029 card 10ec,8029 rev 00 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0c:0: chip 105a,4d69 card 105a,4d68 rev 02 class 01,80,85 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0d:0: chip 1013,6005 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1002,5964 card 148c,2073 rev 01 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x0000d000 - 0x0000dfff (0x1000) IX[B] (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcfdfffff (0xe00000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xcff00000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x16100000) MX[B] (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:4:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set) (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x5964) rev 1, Mem @ 0xd0000000/28, 0xcf000000/16, I/O @ 0xd800/8, BIOS @ 0xcffe0000/17 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xe6000000 from 0xe7ffffff to 0xe5ffffff (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [4] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [5] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [8] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [4] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [5] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [8] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [9] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.2 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "speedo" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found (II) Module speedo: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4 (II) Loading font Speedo (II) LoadModule: "radeon" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o (II) Module radeon: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 4.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) LoadModule: "ati" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o (II) Module ati: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 6.5.5 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.4 (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.5.5) for chipsets: ati, ativga (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M3 LF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M4 MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility M4 ML (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PA (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PB (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PC (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PD (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PE (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro GL PF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PG (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PH (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PI (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PJ (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PK (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PL (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PM (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PN (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PO (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PP (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PQ (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PR (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PS (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PT (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PU (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PV (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PW (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro VR PX (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 GL RE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 GL RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 VR RK (PCI), ATI Rage 128 VR RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 4X SE (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SF (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SG (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SH (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SK (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SL (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 4X SM (AGP), ATI Rage 128 4X SN (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TR (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TS (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TT (AGP?), ATI Rage 128 Pro ULTRA TU (AGP?) (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QY (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon VE/7000 QZ (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP), ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7 LX (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LZ (AGP), ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3) 4136, ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1) 4336, ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4) 4137, ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2) 4337, ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+) 4237, ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP 4437, ATI FireGL 8700/8800 QH (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 QL (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 QM (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BC (AGP), ATI Radeon 7500 QW (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 7500 QX (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000/PRO If (AGP/PCI), ATI Radeon 9000 Ig (AGP/PCI), ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9) Ld (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lf (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9) Lg (AGP), ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5) 5834, ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3) 5835, ATI Radeon 9200PRO 5960 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200 5962 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C61 (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+) 5C63 (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AD (AGP), ATI Radeon 9500 AE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600TX AF (AGP), ATI FireGL Z1 AG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 Pro ND (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro NE (AGP), ATI Radeon 9700 NF (AGP), ATI FireGL X1 NG (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AP (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600SE AQ (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600XT AR (AGP), ATI Radeon 9600 AS (AGP), ATI FireGL T2 AT (AGP), ATI FireGL RV360 AV (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NP (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NQ (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11) NR (AGP), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10) NS (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10) NT (AGP), ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M11) NV (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800SE AH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AI (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 AJ (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 AK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800PRO NH (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800 NI (AGP), ATI FireGL X2 NK (AGP), ATI Radeon 9800XT NJ (AGP) (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP) found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [9] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [15] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) Loading sub module "radeon" (II) LoadModule: "radeon" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [9] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [10] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [12] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [13] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [14] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [15] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [27] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [28] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) RADEON(0): MMIO registers at 0xcf000000 (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) RADEON(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000 (II) RADEON(0): PCI bus 1 card 0 func 0 (**) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps) (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888 (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC) (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) RADEON(0): initializing int10 (II) RADEON(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x5964) (--) RADEON(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xd0000000 (--) RADEON(0): BIOS at 0xcffe0000 (--) RADEON(0): VideoRAM: 131072 kByte (64 bit DDR SDRAM) (II) RADEON(0): AGP card detected (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) Loading sub module "i2c" (II) LoadModule: "i2c" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libi2c.a (II) Module i2c: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.2.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) RADEON(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 2, Detected Type: 0 (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 4, Detected Type: 0 (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0. (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) RADEON(0): DDC Type: 3, Detected Type: 1 (II) RADEON(0): Displays Detected: Monitor1--Type 1, Monitor2--Type 0 (II) RADEON(0): Monitor1 EDID data --------------------------- (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer: SAM Model: 1057 Serial#: 1146368311 (II) RADEON(0): Year: 2000 Week: 32 (II) RADEON(0): EDID Version: 1.1 (II) RADEON(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.700/0.700 V (II) RADEON(0): Sync: Separate (II) RADEON(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 32 vert.: 24 (II) RADEON(0): Gamma: 2.26 (II) RADEON(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off; RGB/Color Display (II) RADEON(0): redX: 0.645 redY: 0.321 greenX: 0.285 greenY: 0.600 (II) RADEON(0): blueX: 0.142 blueY: 0.057 whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.298 (II) RADEON(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) RADEON(0): 720x400 at 70Hz (II) RADEON(0): 720x400 at 88Hz (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 60Hz (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 67Hz (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 72Hz (II) RADEON(0): 640x480 at 75Hz (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 56Hz (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 60Hz (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 72Hz (II) RADEON(0): 800x600 at 75Hz (II) RADEON(0): 832x624 at 75Hz (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 87Hz (interlaced) (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 60Hz (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 70Hz (II) RADEON(0): 1024x768 at 75Hz (II) RADEON(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) RADEON(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) RADEON(0): #0: hsize: 640 vsize 480 refresh: 85 vid: 22833 (II) RADEON(0): #1: hsize: 800 vsize 600 refresh: 85 vid: 22853 (II) RADEON(0): #2: hsize: 1024 vsize 768 refresh: 85 vid: 22881 (II) RADEON(0): #3: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 (II) RADEON(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) RADEON(0): clock: 56.2 MHz Image Size: 306 x 230 mm (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 800 h_sync: 832 h_sync_end 896 h_blank_end 1048 h_border: 0 (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 600 v_sync: 601 v_sync_end 604 v_blanking: 631 v_border: 0 (II) RADEON(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) RADEON(0): clock: 94.5 MHz Image Size: 306 x 230 mm (II) RADEON(0): h_active: 1024 h_sync: 1072 h_sync_end 1168 h_blank_end 1376 h_border: 0 (II) RADEON(0): v_active: 768 v_sync: 769 v_sync_end 772 v_blanking: 808 v_border: 0 (II) RADEON(0): Ranges: V min: 50 V max: 160 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 70 kHz, PixClock max 110 MHz (II) RADEON(0): Serial No: HCFN810365 (II) RADEON(0): End of Monitor1 EDID data -------------------- (II) RADEON(0): (II) RADEON(0): Primary Display == Type 1 (==) RADEON(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) RADEON(0): Validating modes on Primary head --------- (WW) RADEON(0): config file hsync range 31.5-79kHz not within DDC hsync range 30-70kHz (WW) RADEON(0): config file vrefresh range 40-150Hz not within DDC vrefresh range 50-160Hz (II) RADEON(0): Samsung: Using hsync range of 31.50-79.00 kHz (II) RADEON(0): Samsung: Using vrefresh range of 40.00-150.00 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Clock range: 20.00 to 400.00 MHz (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "360x200" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "320x240" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "400x300" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "512x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "576x432" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x960" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x480" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (WW) (1600x1200,Samsung) mode clock 162MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "576x384" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (WW) (1400x1050,Samsung) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "700x525" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "800x512" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "2048x1536" (hsync out of range) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (width too large for virtual size) (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1400x1050" (width too large for virtual size) (--) RADEON(0): Virtual size is 1280x1024 (pitch 1280) (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1280x1024": 108.0 MHz, 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x1024" 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1152x864": 108.0 MHz, 67.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x864" 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 56.30 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): *Default mode "640x480": 36.0 MHz, 43.3 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 36.00 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1280x960": 108.0 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x960" 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1152x768": 65.0 MHz, 44.2 kHz, 54.8 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768" 65.00 1152 1178 1314 1472 768 771 777 806 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 75.0 MHz, 56.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "1024x768": 44.9 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 87.1 Hz (I) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 44.90 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 interlace +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "832x624": 57.3 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.6 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "832x624" 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 49.5 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 50.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "800x600": 36.0 MHz, 35.2 kHz, 56.2 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600" 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.5 kHz, 75.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 72.8 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480" 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "720x400": 35.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x400" 35.50 720 756 828 936 400 401 404 446 -hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x400": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x400" 31.50 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "640x350": 31.5 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x350" 31.50 640 672 736 832 350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "512x384": 22.4 MHz, 35.5 kHz, 87.1 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "512x384" 22.45 512 516 604 632 384 384 388 409 interlace doublescan +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "416x312": 28.6 MHz, 49.7 kHz, 74.7 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "416x312" 28.64 416 432 464 576 312 312 314 333 doublescan -hsync -vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "400x300": 28.1 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.3 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "400x300" 28.15 400 416 448 524 300 300 302 315 doublescan +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "400x300": 24.8 MHz, 46.9 kHz, 75.1 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "400x300" 24.75 400 408 448 528 300 300 302 312 doublescan +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "400x300": 25.0 MHz, 48.1 kHz, 72.2 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "400x300" 25.00 400 428 488 520 300 318 321 333 doublescan +hsync +vsync (**) RADEON(0): Default mode "400x300": 20.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (D) (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "400x300" 20.00 400 420 484 528 300 300 302 314 doublescan +hsync +vsync (--) RADEON(0): Display dimensions: (320, 240) mm (--) RADEON(0): DPI set to (101, 108) (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.2 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6 (II) RADEON(0): AGP Fast Write disabled by default (II) RADEON(0): Depth moves disabled by default (II) Loading sub module "shadowfb" (II) LoadModule: "shadowfb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libshadowfb.a (II) Module shadowfb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.2 (II) RADEON(0): Page flipping disabled (!!) RADEON(0): For information on using the multimedia capabilities of this adapter, please see http://gatos.sf.net. (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] 0 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [3] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [4] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0xcd800000 - 0xcd80ffff (0x10000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xce000000 - 0xce000fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xce800000 - 0xce803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xe6000000 - 0xe5ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O [11] -1 0 0xcffe0000 - 0xcfffffff (0x20000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xcf000000 - 0xcf00ffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B) [14] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprU) [15] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprU) [16] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprU) [17] 0 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00007800 - 0x0000780f (0x10) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00008000 - 0x00008003 (0x4) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00008400 - 0x00008407 (0x8) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00008800 - 0x00008803 (0x4) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x00009000 - 0x00009007 (0x8) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00009400 - 0x0000941f (0x20) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0x0000b000 - 0x0000b01f (0x20) IX[B] [27] -1 0 0x0000b400 - 0x0000b41f (0x20) IX[B] [28] -1 0 0x0000b800 - 0x0000b80f (0x10) IX[B] [29] -1 0 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d8ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [30] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [31] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd0000000,0x8000000) (II) RADEON(0): Wrote: rd=12, fd=96, pd=1 (II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1280,8191) (II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,1024) to (1280,1026) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7165 (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Scanline Image Writes Offscreen Pixmaps Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 32 256x256 slots 16 512x512 slots (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled (==) RADEON(0): Backing store disabled (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) RADEON(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 1026) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7161 (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (==) RandR enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR (**) Option "Protocol" "Auto" (**) Mouse1: Protocol: "Auto" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse1: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" (**) Mouse1: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (==) Mouse1: Buttons: 3 (II) Keyboard "Keyboard1" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE) (--) Mouse1: PnP-detected protocol: "ExplorerPS/2" (II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded (II) RADEON(0): Wrote: rd=12, fd=101, pd=3 (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd0000000,0x8000000) (II) RADEON(0): Wrote: rd=12, fd=96, pd=1 (II) RADEON(0): Memory manager initialized to (0,0) (1280,8191) (II) RADEON(0): Reserved area from (0,1024) to (1280,1026) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7165 (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled (II) RADEON(0): Using hardware cursor (scanline 1026) (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 1280 x 7161 (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled (==) RandR enabled (II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded (II) RADEON(0): Wrote: rd=12, fd=101, pd=3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 01:23:42 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:23:42 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <20050108162747.H26933-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> Message-ID: <41E0414E.32101.E9917@localhost> Thanks for your reply, Robert. Some responses below. On 8 Jan 2005 at 16:35, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Paul King wrote: > > > 2. Any idea as to what scripts to check out to fix this? > > I've never heard of a distro starting multiple X servers by default. It > really sounds like a loop gone wild somewhere. More info would be needed > to track it. > Rob > I don't think it was starting multiple X servers by default, either. If it did, it would have had a way to begin them under different consoles. Instead, it was attempting to start all of them on the same console. When that failed, it asked me if I would like to start the server in the next console. Quite possibly a bad loop. The latest error log is attached. (39 kB) Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 03:42:25 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:42:25 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41E0414D.27723.E98EF@localhost> References: <20050108162747.H26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> Oops! I am not sure what made my attachment become a separate email. Apologies if all you saw was my X log output and nothing else. It was meant mainly for Robert (and anyone else) who might have been curious as to what is causing multiple X instances to be invoked on my machine. Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 04:22:22 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:22:22 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> References: <20050108162747.H26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> Message-ID: <41E0B17E.7050605@truxtar.com> Paul King wrote: > Oops! I am not sure what made my attachment become a separate email. > > Apologies if all you saw was my X log output and nothing else. It was meant > mainly for Robert (and anyone else) who might have been curious as to what is > causing multiple X instances to be invoked on my machine. The X server log is probably for only _one_ of the sessions (you should see several logs like '/var/log/XFree86.#.log' where # is '0' and up). From your origional message I take it that you run gdm, but this should work for kdm and xdm too: Try switching to a console, logging in as root, and stoping then starting the gdm server with '/etc/init.d/gdm restart'. If it is causing multiple instances to start up, that script ('/etc/init.d/gdm') is probably the culprit. You should try simply running 'gdm' as root and see if it works normally. If some gdm script is the culprit, try 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm', and if that doesn't help, 'dpkg -P gdm; apt-get install gdm', which will reinstall gdm and re-create all the configuration files / scripts. (You may want to back up '/etc/gdm' first). I am not sure if there is a more "proper" way to do this in Debian. Using 'startx' directly works fine, right? -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 04:46:59 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:46:59 -0500 Subject: Question about spamassassin Message-ID: <41E0B743.3090802@alteeve.com> Hi all, My poor mail server is starting to be assaulted with spam (20:1 ratio roughly) so I have decided to install a spam filter. I have been reluctant to up until now because many people use my mail server and I have been worried about them losing false-positive mail. I am thinking about installing spamassassin but I wanted to know what you guys think. Are there any 'gotchas' I should know about? Would you recommend someone in my position try a different program? In case it matters, I am running my mail server on Fedora Core 1. Thanks all! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 02:16:07 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:16:07 +0000 Subject: Question about spamassassin In-Reply-To: <41E0B743.3090802-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E0B743.3090802@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200501090216.07839.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 9, 2005 04:46 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > My poor mail server is starting to be assaulted with spam (20:1 ratio > roughly) so I have decided to install a spam filter. I have been > reluctant to up until now because many people use my mail server and I > have been worried about them losing false-positive mail. > > I am thinking about installing spamassassin but I wanted to know what > you guys think. Are there any 'gotchas' I should know about? Would you > recommend someone in my position try a different program? In case it > matters, I am running my mail server on Fedora Core 1. Before you go with spamassassin, take a look at Dspam. http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/ I find it has better results than spamassassin, and the web interface allows you to tweak the settings quickly and easily. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 10:12:33 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:12:33 -0500 Subject: LUG for West of Toronto, Peel, and Halton Message-ID: <20050109101233.GA3810@node1.opengeometry.net> Dear TLUG member, An informal Linux Users Group has been formed for people in the West of Toronto, Region of Peel and Halton. So far, we meet first Tuesday of the month for dinner. You are invited to join the mailing list, by sending email to WestTLUG-subscribe-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org Homepage is http://ca.groups.yahoo.ca/group/WestTLUG -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 12:51:34 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:51:34 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41E0B17E.7050605-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> Message-ID: <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> Well, I have at least come to the conclusion that *something* is buggy, and I am suspecting a script (startx, or more likely xinit). Resposes below: On 8 Jan 2005 at 23:22, Anton Markov wrote: > Paul King wrote: > > Oops! I am not sure what made my attachment become a separate email. > > > > Apologies if all you saw was my X log output and nothing else. It was meant > > mainly for Robert (and anyone else) who might have been curious as to what is > > causing multiple X instances to be invoked on my machine. > > The X server log is probably for only _one_ of the sessions (you should > see several logs like '/var/log/XFree86.#.log' where # is '0' and up). These are the X server logs themselves, which do not seem to report anything above a warning. No serious errors. There are also logs under /var/log/gdm/:n.X.log (or something like that), where n is the number of the display. They appear to have reported that they have crashed, but don't say why. X didn't crash, but gdm tried to restart itself and found an X server in the way. > > From your origional message I take it that you run gdm, but this should > work for kdm and xdm too: > > Try switching to a console, logging in as root, and stoping then > starting the gdm server with '/etc/init.d/gdm restart'. If it is causing > multiple instances to start up, that script ('/etc/init.d/gdm') is > probably the culprit. You should try simply running 'gdm' as root and > see if it works normally. Restarting gdm as root results in the above crash/restart problem described above. The crash leaves an instance of gdm still running (as ps suggests). Both instances can be killed using the init script. > > If some gdm script is the culprit, try 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm', I get: invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. > and if > that doesn't help, 'dpkg -P gdm; apt-get install gdm', which will > reinstall gdm and re-create all the configuration files / scripts. (You > may want to back up '/etc/gdm' first). I am not sure if there is a more > "proper" way to do this in Debian. Because this is the result of an upgrade of a package (which then asked if I wanted to install over 400 packages), I am wondering if something got upgraded that shouldn't. Either I now have to do a dist-upgrade, or somehow roll back my install to the last stable version. > > Using 'startx' directly works fine, right? X as a command works and appers stable (you get the stippled blank desktop with mouse). Using either startx or xinit crashes right away, falling back to the command line. I checked those scripts, and there is more stuff than I'm used to seeing in there. > > -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > > > __________ NOD32 1.966 (20050108) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 12:54:16 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:54:16 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <200501090754.16748.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 08 January 2005 16:02, DanG wrote: > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 distros > to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T Neo2-Fir > mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs well and > supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. It depends on your definition of "good" or "stable". Debian "stable" is the most stable distribution AFAIK, it's been the same for more than 3 years. If your favorite distro is Mandrake, Redhat or SuSe then probably that's what you should go with. What makes a good Linux distribution for me is one that makes maintenance easy, installation is almost irrelevant since it involves a fraction of the machine's lifetime. This means that I like Debian for, I can choose from 14,000 packages to install with a single command, I can upgrade with two commands. LWN authors have reviewed various AMD64 distros over the past few months, in no particular order here are some of those reviews: Gentoo - http://lwn.net/Articles/114992/ Debian - http://lwn.net/Articles/113527/ Fedora - http://lwn.net/Articles/113741/ I have no experience with any of these distros (in the 64bit sense) but when I soon buy my AMD64 system it will primarily be running Debian. I've used Debian on x86, sparc and mips (Cobalt), x86_64 won't change that preference. For work reasons SuSe and Solaris10 (hopefully) will be on there as well. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 14:39:47 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:39:47 -0500 Subject: PostgreSQL tools akin to PHPMyAdmin In-Reply-To: <20050107005106.14e40fa9-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <200501032154.51893.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DAC53F.8010603@primus.ca> <200501062308.04649.pkozlenko@rogers.com> <41DE1FAC.1010005@deeptown.org> <20050107005106.14e40fa9@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050109143947.9CDFD44DF@cbbrowne.com> > Are there any good tools out there that can allow you to view your > PostgreSQL database visually like PHPMyAdmin can? Of course there are. http://www.pgadmin.org/ http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/ -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'gmail.com'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/postgresql.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #227. "I will never bait a trap with genuine bait." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 15:41:34 2005 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John Moniz) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:41:34 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> Message-ID: <41E150AE.2070908@sympatico.ca> Paul King wrote: >After an upgrade in Sarge where a ton of packages were updated, I noticed that >there were multiple X servers starting (ie, in :1, :2, :3:, :4, etc, as well as >:0). While I never knew you could do that on one machine (CTRL+ALT+Fn gets you >to the different instances of X), and while it might come in handy, right now >it is a nuisance as no window manager will begin while these are coming up. > > > [snip] >Questions for you out there: >1. How do you start multiple X servers (in case I want to try it out in a more >controlled way later on)? > To start an extra X server, after having one desktop already working, switch to any free console (eg. ctrl+alt+f2) and login as any user. Type "startx -- :1 &" without the quotes. The original desktop should be found in console 7 (but may depend on the distro). The second desktop can be found in console 8. You can switch between desktops with ctrl+alt+f7 and ctrl+alt+f8. Good for 2 users on same pc or for playing with two different desktops at the same time. A third desktop could be added with "startx -- :2 &" and would be found in console 9 .... etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 15:46:02 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:46:02 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> References: <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> Message-ID: <41E151BA.5030501@truxtar.com> Paul King wrote: >> if >>that doesn't help, 'dpkg -P gdm; apt-get install gdm', which will >>reinstall gdm and re-create all the configuration files / scripts. (You >>may want to back up '/etc/gdm' first). I am not sure if there is a more >>"proper" way to do this in Debian. > > > Because this is the result of an upgrade of a package (which then asked if I > wanted to install over 400 packages), I am wondering if something got upgraded > that shouldn't. Either I now have to do a dist-upgrade, or somehow roll back my > install to the last stable version. This is a very likely possability. I would try to keep all the X packages the same version (xserver-xfree86, xbase-clients, etc.). If you don't want to do a full dist-upgrade, go into a tool like 'aptitude' or maybe 'synaptic' and make sure that all the packaged you have installed under the X11/main section are marked for upgrade. I seem to recall having some problem with gdm a while back when I was running a mixed testing/unstable system, although startx worked fine. Un upgrade to unstable fixed it for me (although that's probably not what you should do). > > >>Using 'startx' directly works fine, right? > > > X as a command works and appers stable (you get the stippled blank desktop with > mouse). Using either startx or xinit crashes right away, falling back to the > command line. I checked those scripts, and there is more stuff than I'm used to > seeing in there. Sounds like one of the XFree86 packages are messed up. For example, both 'startx' and 'xinit' are part of the 'xbase-clients' package. Perhaps you should upgrade it to the sarge version if you had not done so already. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 16:51:21 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:51:21 -0500 Subject: Help with Linuxant software Message-ID: <41E16109.9040107@sympatico.ca> I need a bit of help with Linuxant's software. I recently bought a Toshiba A70 laptop that has an Atheros integrated WiFi card. The two options to get it to work were Madwifi or Linuxant and I chose the latter. Everything seems to be set up correctly, except that I need to move the wpa supplicant folder to the appropriate location and I don't know where it goes. I ran 'locate' on 'driverloader' and here are the results: > /etc/rc.d/init.d/driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K89driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc1.d/K89driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S11driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S11driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc4.d/S11driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S11driverloader > /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/K89driverloader > /etc/driverloader > /etc/driverloader/config > /etc/driverloader/config/.perlmodsok > /etc/driverloader/config/.infcache > /etc/driverloader/config/00:11:F5:1E:EE:C7 > /etc/driverloader/config/.modconflicts-2.6.8.1-12mdk > /etc/driverloader/config/PCI-0000:02:02.0-168C:0013-144F:7064 > /etc/driverloader/static > /etc/driverloader/static/package > /etc/driverloader/static/webconf > /etc/driverloader/static/00:11:F5:1E:EE:C7 > /var/lib/driverloader > /var/lib/driverloader/ar5211.sys > /var/lib/driverloader/net5211.inf > /sys/module/driverloader > /sys/module/driverloader/sections > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.strtab > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.symtab > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.bss > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.gnu.linkonce.this_module > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/__obsparm > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.data > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata.str2.4 > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata.str2.2 > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata.str1.4 > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.altinstructions > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata.str1.32 > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata.str1.1 > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.rodata > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.altinstr_replacement > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.exit.text > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.init.text > /sys/module/driverloader/sections/.text > /sys/module/driverloader/refcnt > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/driverloader > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/driverloader > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/driverloader/0000:02:02.0 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/driverloader/new_id > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/BUGS > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/CHANGES > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/CREDITS > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/FAQ > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/INSTALL > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/LICENSE > /usr/share/doc/driverloader-2.23_k2.6.8.1_12mdk/README > /usr/lib/driverloader > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Apache.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Carp.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Cookie.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Fast.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Pretty.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Push.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Switch.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI/Util.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/dldrparser.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/CGI.pm > /usr/lib/driverloader/LICENSE > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules/GPL > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules/GPL/COPYING > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules/binaries > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules/binaries/linux-2.6.8.1-12mdk > /usr/lib/driverloader/modules/binaries/linux-2.6.8.1-12mdk/driverloader.ko > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfd.conf > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfd > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/fileupload.cgi > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/.htaccess > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/config.cgi > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/dmesg.cgi > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/saveconfig.cgi > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/cgi-bin/parse.cgi > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/.htaccess > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/images > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/images/linuxant.gif > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/images/.htaccess > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/images/blink.gif > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/images/info.gif > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/mainhead.inc > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/.htaccess > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/config.inc > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/footer.inc > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/header.inc > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/includes/tooltip.js > /usr/lib/driverloader/webconfdocs/index.html > /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-12mdk/extra/driverloader.ko I primarily use linux as my desktop, so this is new ground for me and any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 17:11:02 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:11:02 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <20050108162747.H26933-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> <20050108162747.H26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <200501091211.02892.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 08 January 2005 11:35, Robert Brockway wrote: > As you can see I have 2 running, and a 3rd commented out. ?Running > multiple X servers, while much better than it used to be, still reduces > the stability of a box. ?I hardlocked a box about a month ago while > playing with X configuration while swapping between :0 and :1. I've run multiple X servers for years (same way you described). I'm permanently logged in on vt7, my wife is permanently logged in on vt8. My box is up for weeks at a time so I don't think stability is significantly impacted, you're right in that it's almost certainly reduces stability though. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 17:17:33 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:17:33 -0500 Subject: Help with Linuxant software In-Reply-To: <41E16109.9040107-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41E16109.9040107@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050109121733.787d85b3@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:51:21 -0500 John McGregor wrote: > I need a bit of help with Linuxant's software. I recently bought a > Toshiba A70 laptop that has an Atheros integrated WiFi card. The two > options to get it to work were Madwifi or Linuxant and I chose the > latter. Everything seems to be set up correctly, except that I need to > > move the wpa supplicant folder to the appropriate location and I don't > > know where it goes. I ran 'locate' on 'driverloader' and here are the > results: > > I know this isn't a direct answer to your question, but have you already tried ndiswrapper? It's an excellent free project that basically tries to accomplish the same thing that Linuxant does, but it's totally free and, in my experience, is _very_ easy to set up. I have used DriverLoader though. I did get it to work, but after 30 days it stopped working and I really didn't want to pay for it. But if you've got your heart set on DriverLoader, maybe someone else can help ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 17:21:24 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:21:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <200501091211.02892.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41DFB1E9.16154.160571@localhost> <20050108162747.H26933@nirmala.opentrend.net> <200501091211.02892.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20050109171913.S59305@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Fraser Campbell wrote: > My box is up for weeks at a time so I don't think stability is significantly > impacted, you're right in that it's almost certainly reduces stability > though. I find it is fine as long as the Xservers are not flipped too often. I first did this circa 1995 and back in those days multiple X server would take the box down in no more than 10 days (assuming a few flips per day). Now it is much more stable, but I always mention it lest someone do it on a production box (a server should not run X at all of course). Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 17:42:54 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:42:54 -0500 Subject: help with Linuxant software Message-ID: <41E16D1E.4030102@sympatico.ca> > > >I know this isn't a direct answer to your question, but have you already >tried ndiswrapper? It's an excellent free project that basically tries >to accomplish the same thing that Linuxant does, but it's totally free >and, in my experience, is _very_ easy to set up. > >I have used DriverLoader though. I did get it to work, but after 30 >days it stopped working and I really didn't want to pay for it. But if >you've got your heart set on DriverLoader, maybe someone else can help > > > I did try the Madwifi route first, but Mandrake borked when I tried to install the files that I pulled out of the cvs tree. It very well may prove that the Atheros card in the laptop won't work with Linux and that to get wireless functionality, I will have to buy a PrismII based pc card. If it does work, I will pay for the license as it will be the lesser of the two costs. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 17:48:13 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:48:13 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> References: <41E061D1.15879.8D9B80@localhost> <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> Message-ID: <200501091248.13972.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 09 January 2005 07:51, Paul King wrote: > > If some gdm script is the culprit, try 'dpkg-reconfigure gdm', > > I get: > invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. No worries on that, the post install script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst) is running the command "invoke-rc.d gdm reload || true" ... this fails since you already have an X server running. If you run the command yourself from a prompt you'll get a better warning message. What uncommented lines exist in the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers? I expect you should have only a single entry like this: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp If you have more (or less) than that perhaps try changing the file temporarily to something like the above. > X as a command works and appers stable (you get the stippled blank desktop > with mouse). Using either startx or xinit crashes right away, falling back > to the command line. I checked those scripts, and there is more stuff than > I'm used to seeing in there. Are there any instances of X already running when you do that? What errors do you get from running startx ... perhaps those errors will be in ~/.xsession-errors, or they could also be in /var/log/XFree86.[0-9].log -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 18:11:49 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:11:49 -0500 Subject: Question about spamassassin Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF53@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Take a look at ASSP. http://assp.osurceforge.net In my opinion this is one of the better Anti-Spam options. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison Kelly Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Question about spamassassin Hi all, My poor mail server is starting to be assaulted with spam (20:1 ratio roughly) so I have decided to install a spam filter. I have been reluctant to up until now because many people use my mail server and I have been worried about them losing false-positive mail. I am thinking about installing spamassassin but I wanted to know what you guys think. Are there any 'gotchas' I should know about? Would you recommend someone in my position try a different program? In case it matters, I am running my mail server on Fedora Core 1. Thanks all! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 18:19:32 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:19:32 -0500 Subject: Question about spamassassin Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EF54@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Oops the link should be http://assp.sourceforge.net Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Wil McGilvery Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 1:12 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Question about spamassassin Take a look at ASSP. http://assp.osurceforge.net In my opinion this is one of the better Anti-Spam options. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Madison Kelly Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Question about spamassassin Hi all, My poor mail server is starting to be assaulted with spam (20:1 ratio roughly) so I have decided to install a spam filter. I have been reluctant to up until now because many people use my mail server and I have been worried about them losing false-positive mail. I am thinking about installing spamassassin but I wanted to know what you guys think. Are there any 'gotchas' I should know about? Would you recommend someone in my position try a different program? In case it matters, I am running my mail server on Fedora Core 1. Thanks all! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 20:09:14 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:09:14 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <200501091509.14765.marc@lijour.net> On January 8, 2005 04:02 pm, DanG wrote: > Hi folks, > > > > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 distros > to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T Neo2-Fir > mainboard so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs well and > supports the mainboard/chipset and hardware well. Mandrake is doing a good job at building, packaging && supporting 64bit arch. The new urpmi (Mdk's apt-get) is smart enough to install 64 bit binaries instead of 32 bit's when they exist. This implies a nice package management. Mandrake is also part of the EDOS project, with many big players in research, which goal is to redesign for depency management and other distribution and generally OSS related challenges. > > > > Thanks > > > > Dan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 9 21:18:10 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:18:10 -0500 Subject: old Mac webcams with linux on x86 Message-ID: <41E19F92.4080703@sympatico.ca> I stumbled upon a couple of old Connectix webcams for Mac, with a PS2-like connector (a three headed connector, actually, with what looks like a keyboard pass-through, but probably isn't) I'd like to use 'em but am experiencing feasibility fuzziness. Might this be a trip to the adapter store, or should I just forgedaboudit. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 13:16:38 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:16:38 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Quesion. Message-ID: <00a501c4f716$9e5f3f80$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I plan to be at the next TLUG meeting with some free stuff from Rick Tomaschuk (Novell related magazines I should have offered at the December meeting, but in the rush to get things ready for my presentation I forgot). The question I've got is how much interest would there be in the following items: - Unreal Tournament 2003 posters - Palm M500 series cradles - Palm III series cradles I have brought the above to past TLUG and NewTLUG meetings, and the question is have I saturated the demand for these items? Basically I don't want to be taking stuff up to the meeting, and then be hauling it all home. So if there is no interest in this stuff I will not bother.. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 13:37:04 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:37:04 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp Message-ID: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Hello: I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the wrong time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found I can ping the server with no problem. I tried ntpdate -q tick.utoronto.ca and got some data. It just appears that actually setting the date doesn't want to work. Any ideas? thanks -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:09:55 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:09:55 -0500 Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <20050110150955.GV30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:02:42PM -0500, DanG wrote: > Can people give me some recommendations on some good stable AMD_64 distros > to use? I am just bought an Athlon 64 3500 and an MSI K8T Neo2-Fir mainboard > so I would like to use an optimized distro that runs well and supports the > mainboard/chipset and hardware well. A lot of people claim ubuntu works very well on amd64. I haven't tried it. I will stick with pure debian myself even though it doesn't have quite as full amd64 support yet. If your video card is an nvidia, opengl support should be fairly easy too. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:19:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: old Mac webcams with linux on x86 In-Reply-To: <41E19F92.4080703-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41E19F92.4080703@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050110151903.GW30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:18:10PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > I stumbled upon a couple of old Connectix webcams for Mac, with a > PS2-like connector (a three headed connector, actually, with what looks > like a keyboard pass-through, but probably isn't) I'd like to use 'em > but am experiencing feasibility fuzziness. Might this be a trip to the > adapter store, or should I just forgedaboudit. Those connectors are Apple Desktop Bus connectors, and yes they do have a keyboard passthrough since that was the bus apple used for the mouse and keyboard as well. Your chances of getting that to work on x86 are almost 0. I won't rule out what some crazy electronics nut can accomplish though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:21:47 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:21:47 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501100837.04890.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050110152147.GX30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 08:37:04AM -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > Hello: > > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the wrong > time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run ntpdate > tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I can ping the server with no problem. I tried ntpdate -q tick.utoronto.ca and > got some data. It just appears that actually setting the date doesn't want to > work. > > Any ideas? Try time.nrc.ca, that one works for me. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:41:08 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:41:08 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501100837.04890.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501101041.08819.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 10 January 2005 08:37, Chris Gow wrote: > Hello: > > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the > wrong time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run > ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I can ping the server with no problem. I tried ntpdate -q tick.utoronto.ca > and got some data. It just appears that actually setting the date doesn't > want to work. > > Any ideas? > > thanks > > -- chris > -- I have had some problems with 'tick----' lately. Try tock.utotonto.ca or one of the other time servers. Cheers -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:47:42 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:47:42 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501101041.08819.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101041.08819.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200501101047.42562.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 10, 2005 10:41 am, Merv Curley wrote: > On Monday 10 January 2005 08:37, Chris Gow wrote: > > Hello: > > > > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the > > wrong time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run > > ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > > > I can ping the server with no problem. I tried ntpdate -q > > tick.utoronto.ca and got some data. It just appears that actually setting > > the date doesn't want to work. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > thanks > > > > -- chris > > -- > > I have had some problems with 'tick----' lately. Try tock.utotonto.ca or > one of the other time servers. Nope. No good. I also tried time.nrc.ca (as Lennart suggested) with the same error: no server suitable for synchronization found. here's what I ran: ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca ntpdate tock.utoronto.ca ntpdate time.nrc.ca I'm pretty sure its a configuration issue at my end, but I don't have a clue as to where I should look. I'm running SuSe 8.2, in case that matters or helps. thanks -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 11:04:37 2005 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:04:37 Subject: Free Stuff Quesion. In-Reply-To: <00a501c4f716$9e5f3f80$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYum0BYs2hP7t38@public.gmane.org m> References: <00a501c4f716$9e5f3f80$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.co m> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20050110110437.8b3f4a3a@mail.look.ca> At 08:16 AM 2005/01/10 -0500, "Colin McGregor" wrote: >I plan to be at the next TLUG meeting with some free stuff from Rick >Tomaschuk (Novell related magazines I should have offered at the December >meeting, but in the rush to get things ready for my presentation I forgot). >The question I've got is how much interest would there be in the following >items: > >- Unreal Tournament 2003 posters >- Palm M500 series cradles >- Palm III series cradles > >I have brought the above to past TLUG and NewTLUG meetings, and the question >is have I saturated the demand for these items? Basically I don't want to be >taking stuff up to the meeting, and then be hauling it all home. So if there >is no interest in this stuff I will not bother.. > >Colin McGregor I recently bought a gadget advertised as a Palm, a III, I think, which identifies itself as an IBM Workpad. I am very interested in a Palm cradle for it. Is the next meeting on the 11th ? Jim McIntosh 416-292-8126 --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From allroy10-Arjm76Ya4q7k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 15:50:54 2005 From: allroy10-Arjm76Ya4q7k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Vince Fry) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:50:54 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell Message-ID: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> I've tried Googling this problem, to no avail. I'm trying to run apt-get upgrade, and everything runs super great until it hits openoffice.org-bin and openoffice.org-debian-files. Here's the output: Setting up openoffice.org-bin (1.1.3-4) ... Undoing prelinking of OpenOffice.org binaries... run-parts: /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files/hooks/postinst.d/prelink exited with return code 1 dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-bin (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openoffice.org-debian-files: openoffice.org-debian-files depends on openoffice.org-bin (>> 1.1.2+1.1.3); however: Package openoffice.org-bin is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-debian-files (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.org-bin openoffice.org-debian-files E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I've tried dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get -f install, also unsuccessfully. Any suggestions?? -- Vince Fry The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:14:04 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:14:04 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> Message-ID: <41E2A9CC.1040303@sympatico.ca> Vince Fry wrote: >I've tried Googling this problem, to no avail. > > >I've tried dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get -f install, also unsuccessfully. > >Any suggestions?? > > been there brother ;-) one idea; apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org then apt-get install openoffice.org I'm no apt-get whiz, but this approach has worked for me in similar situations. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:16:32 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:16:32 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501100837.04890.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:37:04 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the wrong > time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run ntpdate > tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found Be sure that you don't have a firewall blocking ntp packets (even if it's passing ping packets). I can't update to any external time servers when I'm at work; I MUST use an internal timeserver, or it bugs out with precisely this message. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:17:48 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:17:48 -0500 Subject: old Mac webcams with linux on x86 In-Reply-To: <20050110151903.GW30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41E19F92.4080703@sympatico.ca> <20050110151903.GW30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41E2AAAC.4090600@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >Those connectors are Apple Desktop Bus connectors, and yes they do have >a keyboard passthrough since that was the bus apple used for the mouse >and keyboard as well. > >Your chances of getting that to work on x86 are almost 0. I won't rule >out what some crazy electronics nut can accomplish though. > > Thanks Lennart, now that I know what it's called, I was able to google for an adapter. Found one, too, but the darn thing costs more than a new webcam. http://www.provantage.com/buy-22069534-griffin-technology-imate-usb-adb-adapter-shopping.htm Oh well, $1.50 wasted. Maybe I'll use 'em for a goofy art installation ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:08:48 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:08:48 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501101108.48200.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 10, 2005 11:16 am, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:37:04 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the > > wrong time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run > > ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > Be sure that you don't have a firewall blocking ntp packets (even if > it's passing > ping packets). I can't update to any external time servers when I'm at > work; I MUST use an internal timeserver, or it bugs out with precisely this > message. That's what I am thinking (I do have a fw). But the fact that running ntpdate -q [timeserver] throws me for a loop. Because that works. Or does a query (which I am guessing -q stands for) run over something else? -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From allroy10-Arjm76Ya4q7k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:27:17 2005 From: allroy10-Arjm76Ya4q7k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Vince Fry) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:27:17 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <41E2A9CC.1040303-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <41E2A9CC.1040303@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050110112717.13370b86@nerdlinger> That did the trick! Much respect, DJP! On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:14:04 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Vince Fry wrote: > > >I've tried Googling this problem, to no avail. > > > > > >I've tried dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get -f install, also unsuccessfully. > > > >Any suggestions?? > > > > > been there brother ;-) > > one idea; > apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org > then > apt-get install openoffice.org > > I'm no apt-get whiz, but this approach has worked for me in similar > situations. > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Vince Fry The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better." So I installed LINUX -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 16:57:40 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:57:40 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501101108.48200.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101108.48200.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:08:48 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > That's what I am thinking (I do have a fw). But the fact that running ntpdate > -q [timeserver] throws me for a loop. Because that works. Or does a query > (which I am guessing -q stands for) run over something else? Guess so. I can do a -q, too, though it specifies a null offset. Now, I did just run ntpdate to a local timeserver, but I always expect to see microsecond adjustments, due to network effects if nothing else. I saw only 0 values. YMMV. Note, NTP uses port 123 (my /etc/services specifies both tcp and udp, though I'm suspecting it's quite capable of using tcp, since I've had no problems doing this behind a plain NAT setup). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 18:01:28 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:01:28 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> Message-ID: <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:50:54AM -0500, Vince Fry wrote: > I've tried Googling this problem, to no avail. > > I'm trying to run apt-get upgrade, and everything runs super great until it hits openoffice.org-bin and openoffice.org-debian-files. Here's the output: > > Setting up openoffice.org-bin (1.1.3-4) ... > Undoing prelinking of OpenOffice.org binaries... run-parts: /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files/hooks/postinst.d/prelink exited with return code 1 > dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-bin (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openoffice.org-debian-files: > openoffice.org-debian-files depends on openoffice.org-bin (>> 1.1.2+1.1.3); however: > Package openoffice.org-bin is not configured yet. > dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-debian-files (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > openoffice.org-bin > openoffice.org-debian-files > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > > I've tried dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get -f install, also unsuccessfully. > > Any suggestions?? Is prelink installed? It almost looks like the config for -bin fails due to prelink problem. You could always just purge openoffice and then reinstall it again. I tend to use apt-get -u dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. Never really have figured out what the difference is. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 18:04:16 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101108.48200.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501101304.17353.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 10, 2005 11:57 am, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:08:48 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > > That's what I am thinking (I do have a fw). But the fact that running > > ntpdate -q [timeserver] throws me for a loop. Because that works. Or does > > a query (which I am guessing -q stands for) run over something else? > > Guess so. I can do a -q, too, though it specifies a null offset. > Now, I did just run > ntpdate to a local timeserver, but I always expect to see microsecond > adjustments, > due to network effects if nothing else. I saw only 0 values. YMMV. > > Note, NTP uses port 123 (my /etc/services specifies both tcp and udp, > though I'm suspecting it's quite capable of using tcp, since I've had no > problems doing this > behind a plain NAT setup). Yeah. My firewall was/is blocking ntp UDP requests. Since I only want/need to sync the time when my laptop boots, I've added a startup script that executes before the firewall starts up. Of course for some reason, host names can't be resolved when it runs (though the network has started up by then :( ). Oh well, that's another problem. thanks for all the help everyone! -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 19:03:54 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050108210314.F1EB06DC2C@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: I have installed Fedora Core 3 on three Athlon 64 systems -- an HP zv5000z notebook and two HP Pavilion a530n desktops. Much better than FC2, as I recollect. I have not tried other distros. Most of the problems are not AMD64 related. But I get the impression that fewer folks use AMD64 so that quite as many bugs have been previously discovered. The nForce 150 chipset was not supported properly (so that the IOAPIC could be used) until some mid 2.6.9 series kernel. So it just made it into Fedora Core 3's updates in the last week or two. There are a one or two lingering problems: halt(8) no longer seem to power off the machines (ACPI hell?). The major problems are in the notebook and that comes down to hardware makers (HP and OEMs) not disclosing specs to LINUX folks. I deserve this since I was a sucker and bought the machine without requiring HP to support LINUX. Beware: don't count on ndiswrapper in 64 bit mode. The wrapper itself is just starting to work in 64 bit mode, but 64-bit WindowsXP drivers are not always available. 32-bit WindowsXP drivers won't work with a 64-bit LINUX. Perhaps this is the case with Winmodem stuff too. I have no idea about CODECs for video etc. Browser plugins have the same problem. You can run 32-bit browsers in FC3-64 and then the plugins should work. I've not tried this. Note: userland supports 32-bit code but drivers run in the kernel and cannot be 32-bit. Summary: FC3 seems the same in 32 and 64 bit versions. Some of the hacks for running WindowsXP code won't work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 19:36:34 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:36:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: AMD_64 Linux distro recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050110193634.92395.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks that helps greatly. Since most of my work experience has involved supporting Red Hat and Suse systems. I will install both Fedora Core 3 and the new Suse 9.2 to play with the new system. I may dable with Gentoo and Ubuntu also as I run those at home for Desktop systems currently. Thanks for everyone's input. Looking forward to playing with my new toy when I pick it up today ;-) Cheers, Dan "D. Hugh Redelmeier" wrote: I have installed Fedora Core 3 on three Athlon 64 systems -- an HP zv5000z notebook and two HP Pavilion a530n desktops. Much better than FC2, as I recollect. I have not tried other distros. Most of the problems are not AMD64 related. But I get the impression that fewer folks use AMD64 so that quite as many bugs have been previously discovered. The nForce 150 chipset was not supported properly (so that the IOAPIC could be used) until some mid 2.6.9 series kernel. So it just made it into Fedora Core 3's updates in the last week or two. There are a one or two lingering problems: halt(8) no longer seem to power off the machines (ACPI hell?). The major problems are in the notebook and that comes down to hardware makers (HP and OEMs) not disclosing specs to LINUX folks. I deserve this since I was a sucker and bought the machine without requiring HP to support LINUX. Beware: don't count on ndiswrapper in 64 bit mode. The wrapper itself is just starting to work in 64 bit mode, but 64-bit WindowsXP drivers are not always available. 32-bit WindowsXP drivers won't work with a 64-bit LINUX. Perhaps this is the case with Winmodem stuff too. I have no idea about CODECs for video etc. Browser plugins have the same problem. You can run 32-bit browsers in FC3-64 and then the plugins should work. I've not tried this. Note: userland supports 32-bit code but drivers run in the kernel and cannot be 32-bit. Summary: FC3 seems the same in 32 and 64 bit versions. Some of the hacks for running WindowsXP code won't work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 19:48:19 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:48:19 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501101304.17353.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101108.48200.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101304.17353.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:16 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > Yeah. My firewall was/is blocking ntp UDP requests. Since I only want/need to > sync the time when my laptop boots, I've added a startup script that executes > before the firewall starts up. Of course for some reason, host names can't be > resolved when it runs (though the network has started up by then :( ). Oh > well, that's another problem. You mean that your network interface comes up before your firewall? Tsk tsk. That's a big no-no. Not quite as bad as starting services before starting up the firewall, but still a no-no. What's the point of a firewall if it's not ALWAYS guarding your network interfaces? Why not add ntp packets to the allowable list? If it's just during startup, you could even alter the firewall rules to allow it, do the ntp bits, and then remove the firewall rule. But that much work is probably only worth it if you're truly paranoid, and it sounds like you're not (running up the firewall after the interface comes up, that is). ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 20:17:41 2005 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:17:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050110201741.40143.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how to get to the tomorrow's meeting? I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan to go by subway. Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. Thanks, Emil Janev __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 21:06:59 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:06:59 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <20050110180128.GY30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41E2EE73.1070609@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >I tend to use apt-get -u dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. Never really >have figured out what the difference is. > > dist-upgrade will install new packages, whereas upgrade will not -- so any new existing packages whose new versions depend on packages you haven't installed, will not be upgraded. It almost feels like there's something else going on behind the scenes, because I've found that while tracking Debian unstable, things get wedged less often with dist-upgrade. I suppose it could be related incomplete dependency specifications with some packages, which are bypassed when *everything* is upgraded all together. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 21:09:30 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:09:30 -0500 Subject: Bad Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <200501081557.31335.amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501081557.31335.amarjan@pobox.com> Message-ID: <41E2EF0A.5010402@pobox.com> Andrej Marjan wrote: >Thanks very much, it's just what I need. > >I have an extra Seagate 80 with the same jumper, but an easily accessible >Maxtor 80 here does not. > >Lennart's talk of soft clipping led me to some discussions of a "stroke" >parameter that Linux supports on boot. Apparently passing "hdX=stroke" will >allow Linux to see the full capacity of a jumpered drive. I'll give it a try >when I have a moment to rebuild my firewall, and I'll let everyone know. > > And the promised update (the old drive was making *really* scary noises, so there went half my Sunday): The jumper let the machine boot, and "hda=stroke" let Linux see all 80GB of the hard drive. It works with the stock Debian 2.6.8 kernel; at least on some older kernels this option has to be explicitly enabled. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 19:27:47 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:27:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501101304.17353.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101108.48200.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101304.17353.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Chris Gow wrote: > Yeah. My firewall was/is blocking ntp UDP requests. Since I only want/need to > sync the time when my laptop boots, I've added a startup script that executes > before the firewall starts up. Of course for some reason, host names can't be > resolved when it runs (though the network has started up by then :( ). Oh > well, that's another problem. Try ntpdate -u Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 21:26:01 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:26:01 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101304.17353.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501101626.01799.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 10, 2005 02:48 pm, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:16 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > > Yeah. My firewall was/is blocking ntp UDP requests. Since I only > > want/need to sync the time when my laptop boots, I've added a startup > > script that executes before the firewall starts up. Of course for some > > reason, host names can't be resolved when it runs (though the network has > > started up by then :( ). Oh well, that's another problem. > > You mean that your network interface comes up before your firewall? Tsk > tsk. > > That's a big no-no. Not quite as bad as starting services before starting > up the firewall, but still a no-no. What's the point of a firewall if it's > not ALWAYS > guarding your network interfaces? > > Why not add ntp packets to the allowable list? If it's just during > startup, you could even alter the firewall rules to allow it, do the ntp > bits, and then remove > the firewall rule. But that much work is probably only worth it if you're > truly paranoid, and it sounds like you're not (running up the firewall > after the interface > comes up, that is). ;) I'm using the built-in firewall that comes with SuSe 8.2. I never really thought about it before (figuring that my distro would do the right thing). I also tried allowing ntp/123 through the config wizard for the fw, but it still winds up blocking the UDP ports. Guess I ought to forgo the wizard and do it by hand. -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 21:18:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:18:03 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <41E2EE73.1070609-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E2EE73.1070609@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20050110211803.GZ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 04:06:59PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > dist-upgrade will install new packages, whereas upgrade will not -- so > any new existing packages whose new versions depend on packages you > haven't installed, will not be upgraded. > > It almost feels like there's something else going on behind the scenes, > because I've found that while tracking Debian unstable, things get > wedged less often with dist-upgrade. I suppose it could be related > incomplete dependency specifications with some packages, which are > bypassed when *everything* is upgraded all together. I suspect upgrade is not allowed to remove an installed package to install a replacement with a new package name, while dist-upgrade is allowed to do that. Or something like that. I have only used dist-upgrade for the last 6 years and it has always worked great for me, so I never use upgrade. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 10 23:14:25 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:14:25 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501101626.01799.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101304.17353.sniffy@rogers.com> <200501101626.01799.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E30C51.1060401@almatau.com> Chris Gow wrote: ... > I'm using the built-in firewall that comes with SuSe 8.2. I never really > thought about it before (figuring that my distro would do the right thing). I > also tried allowing ntp/123 through the config wizard for the fw, but it > still winds up blocking the UDP ports. Guess I ought to forgo the wizard and > do it by hand. I guess the wizard is opening unprivileged ports on the client side (source) and the service port on the server side (destination), this is what most protocols like http, pop, smtp, etc. use. For ntpdate, you need UDP 123<->123. Try to open those ports manually. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 01:27:02 2005 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 10 Jan 2005 20:27:02 -0500 Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <200501100837.04890.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501100837.04890.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <87pt0c69i1.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Chris Gow writes: > Hello: > > I've started to get really annoyed at my laptop continously having the wrong > time, so I've decided to sync it using ntp. However, whenever I run ntpdate > tick.utoronto.ca, I get the following error message: > > ntpdate[3492]: no server suitable for synchronization found > > I can ping the server with no problem. I tried ntpdate -q tick.utoronto.ca and > got some data. It just appears that actually setting the date doesn't want to > work. Works great from here Gotta have the wheel bit set though ntpdate 128.100.100.128: Looking for host 128.100.100.128 and service ntp 10 Jan 20:19:53 ntpdate[15794]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.019568 sec and again as _tock_ ntpdate tock.utoronto.ca: Looking for host tock.utoronto.ca and service ntp 10 Jan 20:20:00 ntpdate[15797]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.016155 sec "tick" is at 128.100.56.135 these days though - maybe always was, I disremember. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 01:30:51 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Error when trying sync time using ntp In-Reply-To: <87pt0c69i1.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87pt0c69i1.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: On 10 Jan 2005, SlackRat wrote: > ntpdate tock.utoronto.ca: > Looking for host tock.utoronto.ca and service ntp > 10 Jan 20:20:00 ntpdate[15797]: adjust time server 128.100.100.128 offset 0.016155 sec > > "tick" is at 128.100.56.135 these days though - maybe always was, I > disremember. "tick" has, in fact, just changed IP addresses. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 03:55:15 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:55:15 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow References: <20050110201741.40143.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: > Hi all, > > As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how to get to the > tomorrow's meeting? Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George Street at U of T. > I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan to go by subway. Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a Metro Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short walk). > Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. > > Thanks, > Emil Janev -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 07:16:10 2005 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:16:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050111071610.86949.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Colin, Thanks for the detailed direction. This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Emil Janev --- Colin McGregor wrote: > "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how > to get to the > > tomorrow's meeting? > > Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of > this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George > Street at U of T. > > > I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan > to go by subway. > > Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the > Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College > station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a Metro > Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University > Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short > walk). > > > Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. > > > > Thanks, > > Emil Janev > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 13:03:44 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:03:44 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110201741.40143.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E3CEB0.30408@rogers.com> What is the topic tonight? It sure would be nice to know a meeting topic, a couple of days ahead of time. Colin McGregor wrote: > "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: > > > >>Hi all, >> >>As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how > > to get to the > >>tomorrow's meeting? > > > Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of > this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George > Street at U of T. > > >>I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan > > to go by subway. > > Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the > Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College > station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a Metro > Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University > Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short > walk). > > >>Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. >> >>Thanks, >>Emil Janev > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 13:13:45 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <41E3CEB0.30408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110201741.40143.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41E3CEB0.30408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050111131229.U72542@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: > What is the topic tonight? It sure would be nice to know a meeting topic, a > couple of days ahead of time. Yeah I know :( Coming right up. Normally I like to get it out several days ahead at least. Rob > Colin McGregor wrote: >> "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how >> >> to get to the >> >>> tomorrow's meeting? >> >> >> Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of >> this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George >> Street at U of T. >> >> >>> I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan >> >> to go by subway. >> >> Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the >> Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College >> station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a >> Metro >> Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University >> Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short >> walk). >> >> >>> Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Emil Janev >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 13:16:57 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:16:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: TLUG Talk - Jan 11 2005 Message-ID: <20050111131454.P72542@nirmala.opentrend.net> Date: January 11, 2005 Time: 7:30pm Location: Room GB244, Galbraith Building University of Toronto Speaker: George Fiala Director IQ Partners, Inc. Topic: Getting a good Linux job Details: Most TLUG talks are technical. This month we're presenting something a little bit different. George is a recruiter who specializes in the Linux, Wireless and Security world. George will talk about getting a job with Linux and will cover various aspects including resume writing and the interview. Directions to the room can be found here: http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 14:57:42 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:57:42 -0500 Subject: Computers forthe taking Message-ID: <41E3E966.7060708@ksmultimedia.com> Howdy all, I have two crappie compies up for grabs. I can drop them off if you live near me (Allen and Lawrence) other wise, you can come by and pick it up. Please give me some warning as I have to format both hard drives before I can give them away. If you know of somewhere they could be donated, that would be cool too. System 1: MMX 233 4.3 GB HD 131MB Ram Network card Sound Card System 2: AMD K6 400Mhz 65MN RAM 8.7 GB HD Network Card Sound Card Sid 416-782-2761 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 15:09:05 2005 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:09:05 -0500 Subject: Computers forthe taking In-Reply-To: <41E3E966.7060708-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41E3E966.7060708@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20050111150905.GA3432@utoronto.ca> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:57:42AM -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have two crappie compies up for grabs. I can drop them off if you live > near me (Allen and Lawrence) other wise, you can come by and pick it up. > Please give me some warning as I have to format both hard drives before > I can give them away. If you know of somewhere they could be donated, > that would be cool too. umm, I know somewhere you could donate them -- to a new project I'm heading up this winter in Regent Park -- build up computers, install linux, take them home. these would be exactly perfect. maybe we can coordinate off-list... thanks! Matt ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- The following addresses are for you if you're an evil spambot: zeus-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org aardvark-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 15:25:29 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:25:29 -0500 Subject: X Forwarding - Cygwin/X and putty Message-ID: <20050111152529.GA4486@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am trying to launch X applications on my windoze desktop at work, and having some trouble. I looked at the first couple of tutorials on Google with the search terms "putty x forwarding", and they make it seem pretty easy. I'm doing something wrong however, because its not working. If I launch X in Cygwin and then fire up putty I get a terminal with no $DISPLAY variable set. If I launch X in Cygwin and then "ssh -Y -l user hostname" I get a terminal with no $DISPLAY variable set and the error: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. In /etc/ssh/ssh_config I have put in the lines to forward X and Agent requests, but I'm still obviously missing something. Any pointers? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 15:48:05 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:48:05 -0500 Subject: X Forwarding - Cygwin/X and putty In-Reply-To: <20050111152529.GA4486-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050111152529.GA4486@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1105458485.41e3f5353c20d@www.almatau.com> Quoting William O'Higgins : > I am trying to launch X applications on my windoze desktop at work, and > having some trouble. I looked at the first couple of tutorials on > Google with the search terms "putty x forwarding", and they make it seem > pretty easy. I'm doing something wrong however, because its not > working. > > If I launch X in Cygwin and then fire up putty I get a terminal with no > $DISPLAY variable set. If I launch X in Cygwin and then "ssh -Y -l user > hostname" I get a terminal with no $DISPLAY variable set and the error: > > Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 > forwarding. > > In /etc/ssh/ssh_config I have put in the lines to forward X and Agent > requests, but I'm still obviously missing something. Any pointers? > The first thing you should try is to enable checkbox SSH->Tunnels->X11 forwarding in PuTTY, log in and check DISPLAY variable. If it isn't set up, check ssh on the server: /etc/ssh/ssh_config: Host * ForwardAgent yes ForwardX11 yes /etc/ssh/sshd_config: X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 10:47:28 2005 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:47:28 Subject: Meeting on 11th of January In-Reply-To: <20050111071610.86949.qmail-4hQMARUzAi6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <004a01c4f791$5bc25ec0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050111071610.86949.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20050111104728.92e78034@mail.look.ca> At 11:16 PM 2005/01/10 -0800, Emil Janev wrote: >Colin, > >Thanks for the detailed direction. This was exactly what I was looking for. > >Thanks, >Emil Janev There are other ways to the location. This is one that I found useful during the months that College Street was blocked to vehicles between Yonge Street and Spadina Avenue. Since the construction may still be blocking traffic such as buses, cars, and trucks (except to pedestrians, bicyclists and motorcyclists) I will be using this route tonight. It is: 1) From Don Mills Road and Sheppard Avenue East, enter the Don Mills Station, get a transfer, and take the Sheppard Subway westbound all the way to the Sheppard Yonge subway station, 2) then go down by stairs or escalator (or elevator, if handicapped or lazy) to the Yonge Subway platform. The southbound trains are on the right hand side as you reach the Yonge Subway platform. At this point, I walk back towards the north end of the Yonge Subway platform, a couple dozen steps south of the north end, until a train arrives. Be sure to be close to the -=SOUTHBOUND=- trains, which are on the right hand as you reach the Yonge Subway platform. When the train comes, you will not want to be stranded with a crowd between you and the train. 3) Take a southbound train to Bloor Station. At Bloor Station, probably slightly over half the people in the subway car will get off. There will be people rushing off, and people rushing on. Try to get off before anyone has the urge to push themselves onto the train through the remainder of those rushing off the train. 4) At Bloor Station, switch to the Bloor Subway, by going down the escalator/stairs. The easiest for a newcomer is the first set of escalator/stairs, but I prefer the second set, located near the washrooms, because they are likely to have the escalator set to DOWN. The first set will have it set to UP, and you would have to struggle through more of a crowd to walk down the stairs, because some of the people going up would be impatiently climbing the stairs as you are going down them. 5) Be sure to choose the -=WESTBOUND=- train, on your right as you reach the Bloor Subway platform, and go westbound to Spadina Station, 6) then switch to a southbound streetcar, and go south to College Street, 7) and walk east on College Street to St. George 8) Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short walk). 9) The Galbraith Building is on your right-hand side, so I advise that you walk on the right-hand sidewalk, so that you can more easily see any building signs which may be less visible in the evening. After you go in, walk up the stairs on your right to reach the first floor, then up another floor to the second floor. Room GB244 is on the right-hand side of a long corridor, about halfway down the corridor. There are 2 (two) entrances to the room, so you can choose which side of the room you prefer by the first or second entrance. The second entrance is a dozen steps further along the corridor. >--- Colin McGregor wrote: > >> "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: >> >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how >> to get to the >> > tomorrow's meeting? >> >> Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of >> this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George >> Street at U of T. >> >> > I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan >> to go by subway. >> >> Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the >> Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College >> station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a Metro >> Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University >> Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short >> walk). >> >> > Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more appropriate. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Emil Janev >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From agtnews-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 15:49:16 2005 From: agtnews-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Allen Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:49:16 -0500 Subject: Computers forthe taking In-Reply-To: <41E3E966.7060708-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41E3E966.7060708@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20050111154916.GA5006@free> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:57:42AM -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > I have two crappie compies up for grabs. I can drop them off if you live > near me (Allen and Lawrence) other wise, you can come by and pick it up. > Please give me some warning as I have to format both hard drives before > I can give them away. If you know of somewhere they could be donated, > that would be cool too. > Donate them to ReBoot (www.rebootcanada.ca). They're on Geary, not too far south of you and they will even give you a tax receipt! Only downside is that they do put Windows on the machines they refurb but otherwise they are a useful organization! Later, Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 16:03:56 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:03:56 -0500 Subject: X Forwarding - Cygwin/X and putty In-Reply-To: <1105458485.41e3f5353c20d-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050111152529.GA4486@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1105458485.41e3f5353c20d@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050111160356.GA4693@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 10:48:05AM -0500, Ilya Palagin wrote: >Quoting William O'Higgins : >> If I launch X in Cygwin and then fire up putty I get a terminal with no >> $DISPLAY variable set. If I launch X in Cygwin and then "ssh -Y -l user >> hostname" I get a terminal with no $DISPLAY variable set and the error: >> >> Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 >> forwarding. >> >> In /etc/ssh/ssh_config I have put in the lines to forward X and Agent >> requests, but I'm still obviously missing something. Any pointers? >> >The first thing you should try is to enable checkbox SSH->Tunnels->X11 >forwarding in PuTTY, log in and check DISPLAY variable. If it isn't set up, >check ssh on the server: Putty was set up correctly, but there was no $DISPLAY >/etc/ssh/ssh_config: >Host * ForwardAgent yes >ForwardX11 yes Done. >/etc/ssh/sshd_config: >X11Forwarding yes >X11DisplayOffset 10 I forgot to enable forwarding for the daemon. Thank you, I'm a ninny. Now it works swimmingly. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 16:32:46 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:32:46 -0500 Subject: Computers for the taking Message-ID: <41E3FFAE.9010203@ksmultimedia.com> Thanks all, the computers seem to have found new homes. I appreciate everyone getting back to me so quickly. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 20:34:23 2005 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:34:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting on 11th of January In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20050111104728.92e78034-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.6.16.20050111104728.92e78034@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20050111203423.79936.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> James, Thanks to you, too. I should have included that I know how to go from purple to yelow line towards downtown :) I have the time this evening, so probably following any of the two routes I am there. Thanks, Emil --- James McIntosh wrote: > At 11:16 PM 2005/01/10 -0800, Emil Janev wrote: > >Colin, > > > >Thanks for the detailed direction. This was exactly what I was looking for. > > > >Thanks, > >Emil Janev > > There are other ways to the location. > > This is one that I found useful during the months that College Street was > blocked to vehicles between Yonge Street and Spadina Avenue. Since the > construction may still be blocking traffic such as buses, cars, and trucks > (except to pedestrians, bicyclists and motorcyclists) I will be using this > route tonight. > > It is: > > 1) From Don Mills Road and Sheppard Avenue East, enter the Don Mills > Station, get a transfer, and take the Sheppard Subway westbound all the way > to the Sheppard Yonge subway station, > > 2) then go down by stairs or escalator (or elevator, if handicapped or > lazy) to the Yonge Subway platform. The southbound trains are on the right > hand side as you reach the Yonge Subway platform. At this point, I walk > back towards the north end of the Yonge Subway platform, a couple dozen > steps south of the north end, until a train arrives. Be sure to be close to > the -=SOUTHBOUND=- trains, which are on the right hand as you reach the > Yonge Subway platform. When the train comes, you will not want to be > stranded with a crowd between you and the train. > > 3) Take a southbound train to Bloor Station. At Bloor Station, probably > slightly over half the people in the subway car will get off. There will be > people rushing off, and people rushing on. Try to get off before anyone has > the urge to push themselves onto the train through the remainder of those > rushing off the train. > > 4) At Bloor Station, switch to the Bloor Subway, by going down the > escalator/stairs. The easiest for a newcomer is the first set of > escalator/stairs, but I prefer the second set, located near the washrooms, > because they are likely to have the escalator set to DOWN. The first set > will have it set to UP, and you would have to struggle through more of a > crowd to walk down the stairs, because some of the people going up would be > impatiently climbing the stairs as you are going down them. > > 5) Be sure to choose the -=WESTBOUND=- train, on your right as you reach > the Bloor Subway platform, and go westbound to Spadina Station, > > 6) then switch to a southbound streetcar, and go south to College Street, > > 7) and walk east on College Street to St. George > > 8) Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short walk). > > 9) The Galbraith Building is on your right-hand side, so I advise that you > walk on the right-hand sidewalk, so that you can more easily see any > building signs which may be less visible in the evening. After you go in, > walk up the stairs on your right to reach the first floor, then up another > floor to the second floor. Room GB244 is on the right-hand side of a long > corridor, about halfway down the corridor. There are 2 (two) entrances to > the room, so you can choose which side of the room you prefer by the first > or second entrance. The second entrance is a dozen steps further along the > corridor. > > >--- Colin McGregor wrote: > > > >> "Emil Janev" pn Monday, January 10, 2005 3:17 PM wrote: > >> > >> > >> > Hi all, > >> > > >> > As can declare myself as a newbie to Toronto. Can anyone point me to how > >> to get to the > >> > tomorrow's meeting? > >> > >> Assuming we are in the usual spot (and I have not heard a conformation of > >> this) we will be in room GB244 of the Galbraith Building, 35 St. George > >> Street at U of T. > >> > >> > I know that U of T is downtown ( I live at Don Mills/Sheppard ), and plan > >> to go by subway. > >> > >> Your best bet from Don Mills/Sheppard would be to go west to the > >> Sheppard/Yonge subway station, then take a south bound train to College > >> station. At College switch to a west bound streetcar (if your not on a > Metro > >> Pass you will need a transfer). St. George is two blocks west of University > >> Avenue. Walk north on St. George to the Galbraith Building (a VERY short > >> walk). > >> > >> > Feel free to point me on or off the list, whatever seems more > appropriate. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Emil Janev > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 11 23:20:47 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:20:47 -0500 Subject: X Forwarding - Cygwin/X and putty In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2050111084323a5da06-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050111152529.GA4486@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1105458485.41e3f5353c20d@www.almatau.com> <20050111160356.GA4693@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4386c5b2050111084323a5da06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05011115208943f5f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:43:47 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > > > Oh my God, I litteraly guffawed when I read that. I haven't had a good > guffaw in ages. Thanks for that. Lol.... Swimmingly is a good one too ('specially for windoze ;-) -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 03:39:29 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:39:29 -0500 Subject: Multiple X Servers?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <200501091248.13972.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41E0E286.1831.28A15C@localhost> Message-ID: <41E455A1.15857.88ECE@localhost> On 9 Jan 2005 at 12:48, Fraser Campbell wrote: > What uncommented lines exist in the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers? I expect you > should have only a single entry like this: > > :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp > > If you have more (or less) than that perhaps try changing the file temporarily > to something like the above. That's the only uncommented line in my xdm. Xdm, if used as the default display manager, crashes on the first run, taking the X server down with it. gdm at least runs a server, then gdm dies - leaving X up, then attempts to run another one on the same console only to find that X server there, and then asks me if I want to run the gdm on another console. > > > X as a command works and appers stable (you get the stippled blank desktop > > with mouse). Using either startx or xinit crashes right away, falling back to > > the command line. I checked those scripts, and there is more stuff than I'm > > used to seeing in there. > > Are there any instances of X already running when you do that? What errors do > you get from running startx ... perhaps those errors will be in > ~/.xsession-errors, or they could also be in /var/log/XFree86.[0-9].log My experience with running multiple X servers has been, as I said, that gdm crashes. There are few minor errors in any of the X server logs I've seen, including those named /var/log/XFree86.[0-9].log, but nothing unusual (missing fonts, unused screen resolutions, etc). Under /var/log/kdm.log, I believe I saw the errors relating to kdm, another wm that dies, but like xdm, it stays dead, and takes X down with it: Module Loader present OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.8-1-386 (joshk at trollwife) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2)) #1 Thu Nov 25 04:24:08 UTC 2004 Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Jan 11 22:25:47 2005 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found And that's it. If I type X alone, I get a lot more logged on than this. Much thanks for your help so far. Regards Paul ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 10:01:13 2005 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:13 +0800 Subject: Suggested IRC Server Message-ID: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi, Ill be setting up an IRC Server. I need suggestion on what to use.. something secured.. and full and functionalities.. TIA, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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IQ Partners has offices in Toronto and Ottawa and is a member of the Aravati Global Search Network. For more information, please visit www.IQPartners.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 15:04:22 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:22 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router Message-ID: <41E53C76.8070406@ksmultimedia.com> Howdy all, Im looking for a cheap (around $50) for a non refurb b/g wireless router for a friend. Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 15:19:34 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:19:34 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: <41E53C76.8070406-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41E53C76.8070406@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <41E54006.7000502@alteeve.com> I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with Linksys stuff. Madison Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > Im looking for a cheap (around $50) for a non refurb b/g wireless router > for a friend. > > Thanks, > > Sid > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 15:10:13 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:10:13 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <200501121801.13056.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:13 +0800, JM wrote: > Hi, > > Ill be setting up an IRC Server. I need suggestion on what to use.. > something secured.. and full and functionalities.. You mean SILC, right? (for any definition of 'secured', that is) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 15:37:42 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:37:42 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: <41E54006.7000502-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E53C76.8070406@ksmultimedia.com> <41E54006.7000502@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41E54446.6030804@ksmultimedia.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with > Linksys stuff. > > Madison > Yeah, I like linksys myself. Their support has really crashed since they got bought out by Cisco, but its still alot better than the Dlinks for the networking world. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 16:14:47 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:14:47 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router Message-ID: Calling linksys is pain in the ass. Tried chat with tech support online and they are not very help. Returned linksys wrt54g because my SMC wireless cards were unable to connect to it when WPA was enabled. -----Original Message----- From: Sidney Shapiro [mailto:sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 10:38 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: looking for wireless b/g network router Madison Kelly wrote: > I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with > Linksys stuff. > > Madison > Yeah, I like linksys myself. Their support has really crashed since they got bought out by Cisco, but its still alot better than the Dlinks for the networking world. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41e54471268822022116691! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 16:38:58 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 12 Jan 2005 11:38:58 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phillip Qin writes: > Calling linksys is pain in the ass. Tried chat with tech support online and > they are not very help. Returned linksys wrt54g because my SMC wireless > cards were unable to connect to it when WPA was enabled. Flash it with alternative firmware, e.g. one of: o Sveasoft http://www.sveasoft.com o OpenWRT http://www.openwrt.org and deal with the open source community for support. I use OpenWRT because of its flexibility but you need a good working knowledge. I haven't used Sveasoft but I've heard excellent reviews. I expect it's more user friendly. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sidney Shapiro [mailto:sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org] > Sent: January 12, 2005 10:38 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: looking for wireless b/g network router > > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > > I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with > > Linksys stuff. > > > > Madison > > > Yeah, I like linksys myself. Their support has really crashed since they > got bought out by Cisco, but its still alot better than the Dlinks for > the networking world. > > Sid > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > !DSPAM:41e54471268822022116691! -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 16:45:58 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050112164558.63047.qmail@web88012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree. Given the number of alternative custom firmware projects out there use an open source version. I use HyperWRT personally on my Linksys router and it works great now. I had numerous issues with the factory linksys firmware and their latest revisions. Lots of MTU and DHCP issues and WPA etc. HyperWRT is working like a charm for me now. It's a good thing Linksys chose to use Linux for it's firmware that way we don't have to rely on them for support! Dan Tim Writer wrote: Phillip Qin writes: > Calling linksys is pain in the ass. Tried chat with tech support online and > they are not very help. Returned linksys wrt54g because my SMC wireless > cards were unable to connect to it when WPA was enabled. Flash it with alternative firmware, e.g. one of: o Sveasoft http://www.sveasoft.com o OpenWRT http://www.openwrt.org and deal with the open source community for support. I use OpenWRT because of its flexibility but you need a good working knowledge. I haven't used Sveasoft but I've heard excellent reviews. I expect it's more user friendly. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sidney Shapiro [mailto:sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org] > Sent: January 12, 2005 10:38 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: looking for wireless b/g network router > > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > > I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with > > Linksys stuff. > > > > Madison > > > Yeah, I like linksys myself. Their support has really crashed since they > got bought out by Cisco, but its still alot better than the Dlinks for > the networking world. > > Sid > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > !DSPAM:41e54471268822022116691! -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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I'd like to get his sites and links back up the way they were before my server was introduced if at all possible. Here are the rules I'm using in my httpd.conf file, but they doesn't seem to be working - everything seems to just fall back to my server: RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^host1.* [NC] RewriteRule ^(.+) http://192.168.0.101:81/$1 (some additional info) - host1.some.domain [192.168.0.102 internally] is my server - host2.another.domain [192.168.0.101 internally] is my friends server - Both servers are using dyndns for redirection and point to my friends router. Since we cannot both use port 80 yet, he's moved his server onto 81 so that at least he can get to it. Basically all requests are coming to my server, but I'd like to dump any requests that do not contain my hostname in the address to his server. Any help would be most welcome. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 22:16:34 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:16:34 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: <41E54006.7000502-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E53C76.8070406@ksmultimedia.com> <41E54006.7000502@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050112221633.GA30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:19:34AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I don't know the price off hand but I have always had luck with Linksys > stuff. Well I am happy with my USR8054, although I only use it as an access point and switch. I have the router part disabled (since I have a linux box for that job). I paid $95 - $45cdn rebate when I bought it, so deals can be found. Of course the linksys wrt45g can have a custom linux loaded on it allowing you to do more fun stuff with it, which many people seem to think is a great idea. I don't have one of those and haven't tried it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 02:13:36 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:13:36 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: <20050110211803.GZ30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E2EE73.1070609@pobox.com> <20050110211803.GZ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:18:03 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I have only used dist-upgrade for the last 6 years and it has always > worked great for me, so I never use upgrade. In fact, if you use the (IMO excellent) Synaptic it now does dist-upgrade by default (although I believe they call it "smart upgrading" or some such...) Definitely a good move, though. Slightly OT: I just migrated my Sid machine to Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog. Basically I just had to change the repositories in my sources.list and run update and dist-upgrade. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 02:32:23 2005 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:32:23 -0500 Subject: Inode table Message-ID: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> A few questions on the inode table in memory. Is the inode table in contiguous memory per file system? Or is it a linked list or some other data construct? Does it matter in the sense thats it's an abstraction and could be described as a contiguous table? Is the contruct different based on linux distro? Or is it always bolted in memory from, say, the always in core inode for root of the filesystem? Different based on file system? Realizing that the disk structure are different. Thanks, David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 03:02:31 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:02:31 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <200501121801.13056.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:13 +0800, JM wrote: > Hi, > > Ill be setting up an IRC Server. I need suggestion on what to use.. > something secured.. and full and functionalities.. RageIRCd, in a jail. But I have to agree with Taavi: is it really necessary to run IRC? Would Jabber MUC or SILC work? -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 12 21:07:41 2005 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:07:41 Subject: Meeting on 11th of January In-Reply-To: <20050111203423.79936.qmail-0kR5miy/cAiA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.6.16.20050111104728.92e78034@mail.look.ca> <20050111203423.79936.qmail@web53907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20050112210741.8cdf2132@mail.look.ca> At 12:34 PM 2005/01/11 -0800, Emil Janev wrote: >James, > >Thanks to you, too. >I should have included that I know how to go from purple to yelow line towards downtown :) >I have the time this evening, so probably following any of the two routes I am there. > >Thanks, >Emil Fortunately, the construction on College Street from Yonge Street to Spadina is finished. Traffic there is back to normal. There is no longer any reason to take the route that I described. I hope that you enjoyed the meeting. I live in about the same part of the city as you do, but prefer not to spend TTC tokens unless necessary. If you (or anyone else) took notes, and can travel along Sheppard Avenue East, I know 2 cheap photocopy shops along Sheppard Avenue East where I can photocopy your notes and you can photocopy mine. Jim McIntosh --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 03:47:10 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:47:10 -0500 Subject: Sid to Hoary... Hoary to Sid In-Reply-To: References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E2EE73.1070609@pobox.com> <20050110211803.GZ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: What with just becoming familiar with Debain based systems and having started with Woody, moved to Ubunutu Warty and then to Hoary, I'm curious as to how one would properly and completely (if possible) migrate from Hoary Hedgehog to Sid. Note: I have no real reason for doing this. Other than to explore and learn about how apt works, and to somehow get Sid installed on my Reiserfs disc (just because I want to), there is no pressing reason for me to be messing around. That being said, I don't mind formatting discs and installing an OS. If it stays on my machine for more than a month... well nothing ever has... Hence I am not at all worried about my data since the disc I'm using is reserved for mucking about. I've tried changing repositories but not all the proper packages get removed/installed. Should I be setting some pin options? If so, what should they be? If not... well... what then? Mike Newman wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:18:03 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > >>I have only used dist-upgrade for the last 6 years and it has always >>worked great for me, so I never use upgrade. >> >> >In fact, if you use the (IMO excellent) Synaptic it now does >dist-upgrade by default (although I believe they call it "smart >upgrading" or some such...) >Definitely a good move, though. > >Slightly OT: I just migrated my Sid machine to Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog. >Basically I just had to change the repositories in my sources.list and >run update and dist-upgrade. > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 05:17:31 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:17:31 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> >RageIRCd, in a jail. > >But I have to agree with Taavi: is it really necessary to run IRC? >Would Jabber MUC or SILC work? > > > How else would you set up a highspeed dump for movies and games? :) Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 05:24:35 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:24:35 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <41E6046B.1080607-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:17:31 -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > How else would you set up a highspeed dump for movies and games? :) > > Sid > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > FTP, Web Server. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 05:50:18 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:50:18 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E60C1A.3060608@ksmultimedia.com> Adam Raymond wrote: >FTP, Web Server. > > > It seems like the fastest way to download things like that are from FTPs (which you have to know about) or IRC. I cant download anything at a decent speed outside of IRC, I found a couple bots which I get about 400kb/s off of Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 14:12:50 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:12:50 -0500 Subject: Inode table In-Reply-To: <41E5DDB7.6050602-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> Message-ID: <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:32:23PM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > A few questions on the inode table in memory. Is the inode table in > contiguous memory per file system? Or is it a linked list or some other > data construct? Does it matter in the sense thats it's an abstraction > and could be described as a contiguous table? Is the contruct different > based on linux distro? > Or is it always bolted in memory from, say, the always in core inode > for root of the filesystem? > Different based on file system? > Realizing that the disk structure are different. Each type of filesystem uses it's own layout for the filesystem metadata. ext2 and ext3 being a bit of an exception since they share the majority of the disk layout, with ext3 just using an extra file in a special way and maintaining directories in a more strict but backwards compatible way. I suspect most filesystems have a continuous chunk for their inode table (I think that is what the superblock is for, or at least it has a pointer to the inode blocks if nothing else, and of course is duplicated multiple times on the disk, just in case.) and most of the unix type filesystems use cylinder groups to spread the data across the disk while trying to minimize file level fragmentation. The main difference between filesystems is really how they keep track of files and hence store that meta data in the filesystem. Storing the actual data everyone does the same. Data goes onto the disk somewhere a block at a time, usually cintoguous blocks if possible, and then some table of block numbers is stored in the meta data (in the inode is equivalant). Directories are then files that store filename to inode mappings. Multiple filenames can point to the same inode (hardlinks), and special filetypes without an inode can be created too (character and block devices, pipes, symlinks, etc). Not sure that really answered your question. Hopefully it was still interesting. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 14:23:28 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:23:28 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... Message-ID: <20050113142328.GA11129@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am going to be setting up a bunch of new users on a system, and I'd like to force them to change their password the first time that they log in. Is there an easy way to do that? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 14:38:38 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:38:38 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113142328.GA11129-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113142328.GA11129@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050113143838.GC30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 09:23:28AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I am going to be setting up a bunch of new users on a system, and I'd > like to force them to change their password the first time that they log > in. Is there an easy way to do that? passwd -e username expires the password, forcing a change on login. Not sure if ssh has ever gotten support for that or not. I haven't tried it in a long time. It used to not work without anythign other than rsh and telnet at least on solaris 2.3. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 14:55:46 2005 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:55:46 -0500 Subject: Inode table References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41E68BF2.9060304@vm-resources.com> thanks - very informative. I'm interested as well in how the inode table is allocated in memory. For now I'll just consider it as an abstract table - David Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:32:23PM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > > >>A few questions on the inode table in memory. Is the inode table in >>contiguous memory per file system? Or is it a linked list or some other >>data construct? Does it matter in the sense thats it's an abstraction >>and could be described as a contiguous table? Is the contruct different >>based on linux distro? >>Or is it always bolted in memory from, say, the always in core inode >>for root of the filesystem? >>Different based on file system? >>Realizing that the disk structure are different. >> >> > >Each type of filesystem uses it's own layout for the filesystem >metadata. ext2 and ext3 being a bit of an exception since they share >the majority of the disk layout, with ext3 just using an extra file in a >special way and maintaining directories in a more strict but backwards >compatible way. > >I suspect most filesystems have a continuous chunk for their inode table >(I think that is what the superblock is for, or at least it has a >pointer to the inode blocks if nothing else, and of course is duplicated >multiple times on the disk, just in case.) and most of the unix type >filesystems use cylinder groups to spread the data across the disk while >trying to minimize file level fragmentation. > >The main difference between filesystems is really how they keep track of >files and hence store that meta data in the filesystem. Storing the >actual data everyone does the same. Data goes onto the disk somewhere a >block at a time, usually cintoguous blocks if possible, and then some >table of block numbers is stored in the meta data (in the inode is >equivalant). Directories are then files that store filename to inode >mappings. Multiple filenames can point to the same inode (hardlinks), >and special filetypes without an inode can be created too (character and >block devices, pipes, symlinks, etc). > >Not sure that really answered your question. Hopefully it was still >interesting. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 15:00:58 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:00:58 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113143838.GC30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113142328.GA11129@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050113143838.GC30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050113150058.GA11348@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 09:38:38AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 09:23:28AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: >> I am going to be setting up a bunch of new users on a system, and I'd >> like to force them to change their password the first time that they log >> in. Is there an easy way to do that? > >passwd -e username > >expires the password, forcing a change on login. Not sure if ssh has >ever gotten support for that or not. I haven't tried it in a long time. That is exactly what I needed. Why I didn't think to "man passwd" I'll never know. This works perfectly via ssh by the way. Thank you. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 16:20:11 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:20:11 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: References: <20050113150058.GA11348@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050113162011.GD30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 10:20:13AM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > One note of caution: passwords chosen in haste tend to be bad ones (or > tend to get written down, or both). I'd follow this up with an email a > few days later, encouraging them to change it again at their leisure, > and explaining good password-choice practices a bit. Or you configure pam to enforce certain rules on minimum length, mixed numbers, symbols, letters, etc. Pam can even run a cracklib pass on the password before deciding if it is good enough. Of course the message saying to change the password probably has no way to state the rules the password must follow unfortunately making for very frustrated users at times. I guess if they are new accounts you could hand them a piece of paper with info on picking good passwords and what rules you enforce along with their initial login/password and instructions to read that paper first. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 16:21:57 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:21:57 -0500 Subject: Inode table In-Reply-To: <41E68BF2.9060304-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E68BF2.9060304@vm-resources.com> Message-ID: <20050113162157.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 09:55:46AM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > thanks - very informative. I'm interested as well in how the inode table > is allocated in memory. For now I'll just consider it as an abstract table - Well the inode table is on disk. How the filesystem driver wants to cache that info in ram is entirely up to it. Linux also adds the vfs layer on top of all filesystems to provide a consistent generic interface for much of the caching routines and such. Each filesystem driver simply provides function call hooks for the vfs layer to use to access that type of filesystem. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 16:41:50 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:41:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113162011.GD30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113162011.GD30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Or you configure pam to enforce certain rules on minimum length, mixed > numbers, symbols, letters, etc. Pam can even run a cracklib pass on the > password before deciding if it is good enough. The downside of this is that the harder you make it for people to choose memorable passwords that satisfy the rules, the more certain it is that when they finally get a password accepted, they will (a) write it down, and (b) use minor variations on it thereafter instead of making up new ones. Both of those practices are distinctly detrimental to security. "If you make it too hard to unlock the door, people *will* prop it open." Sometimes maximum *real* security comes at a point well short of maximum *theoretical* security. It's important to understand the difference. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 16:50:18 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:50:18 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem Message-ID: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Hey, Are there any web developers on this list that have experience with Safari and javascript? A client wants to run our web application on his iMac in Safari but I am getting some strange problems. First off how do you view javascript errors? Please tell me there is a js console! Here is my js that is causing the problem: //this function takes the form to submit and where to submit it function submitTemp(form,where) { form.target="tempSaveIframe"; form.method="POST"; form.action=where; form.submit(); } This bascially just submits a form to an iframe referenced by the name tempSaveIframe. This works on IE,FireFox,Mozilla,Netscape and so on, but it fails in Safari. In safari it opens a new window. Which seem to tell me that it does not recognize the iframe as a target. I put in some alerts like so: //this function takes the form so submit and where to submit it function submitTemp(form,where) { alert("Form is:"+form); form.target="tempSaveIframe"; alert("Form Target is:"+form.target); alert("iframe is"+window.frames["tempSaveIframe"].name); form.method="POST"; form.action=where; form.submit(); } In Safari the first two alerts are fine but it then dies on the third alert. But since there seems to be no js console to let me know what the error is, I don't know what to do. Has anyone seen this before? Does Safari handle iframes differently? Thanks for any help or suggestions. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 17:02:10 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:10 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2@cbbrowne.com> > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Or you configure pam to enforce certain rules on minimum length, mixed > > numbers, symbols, letters, etc. Pam can even run a cracklib pass on the > > password before deciding if it is good enough. > > The downside of this is that the harder you make it for people to choose > memorable passwords that satisfy the rules, the more certain it is that > when they finally get a password accepted, they will (a) write it down, > and (b) use minor variations on it thereafter instead of making up new > ones. Both of those practices are distinctly detrimental to security. I just got forced into a password change yesterday on AIX, and discovered that I wasn't permitted to have more than 2 characters of my password be the same as the old one. I'm not quite sure how someone would come up with a "minor" variation on that. I know people that probably still use that strategy for the passwords they update every 45 days. I, of course, used automation for this; I have a password generator integrated into JPilot's keyring plugin, and this does an eminently nice job of generating implausibly difficult to guess passwords. And syncs them, in encrypted form, onto my Palm. It's on a "post-it," albeit one that uses 3-DES... > "If you make it too hard to unlock the door, people *will* prop it > open." > > Sometimes maximum *real* security comes at a point well short of > maximum *theoretical* security. It's important to understand the > difference. Indeed. -- "cbbrowne","@","linuxfinances.info" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html If at first you don't succeed, then you didn't do it right! If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 17:27:20 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:27:20 -0500 Subject: OT - Reverse Proxies with Apache In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05011212382eb2d519-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f05011212382eb2d519@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:38:34 -0500, psema4 wrote: > I recently moved a server (FC1, Apache 2.0) out to a friends in > Brampton - onto a network where he has another top-level web server > (Windows, Apache 2.0). > > Unfortunately, we both have a good deal of items on the 'net that are > linked to our sites.... and right now, most of his are broken (The > fellow was kind enough to even provide preference for my server) > > I'm having a terrible time getting Apache to provide a reverse proxy. > I'd like to get his sites and links back up the way they were before > my server was introduced if at all possible. > > Here are the rules I'm using in my httpd.conf file, but they doesn't > seem to be working - everything seems to just fall back to my server: > > RewriteEngine On > RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^host1.* [NC] > RewriteRule ^(.+) http://192.168.0.101:81/$1 > > (some additional info) > - host1.some.domain [192.168.0.102 internally] is my server > - host2.another.domain [192.168.0.101 internally] is my friends server > - Both servers are using dyndns for redirection and point to my > friends router. > > Since we cannot both use port 80 yet, he's moved his server onto 81 so > that at least he can get to it. > > Basically all requests are coming to my server, but I'd like to dump > any requests that do not contain my hostname in the address to his > server. > > Any help would be most welcome. Check out http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html for information on a reverse proxy setup -- that sounds it may be the configuration that you need in this case. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 17:54:53 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:54:53 -0500 Subject: OT - Reverse Proxies with Apache In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f05011212382eb2d519@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0501130954246eaa00@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:27:20 -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > Check out > > http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_proxy.html > > for information on a reverse proxy setup -- that sounds it may be the > configuration that you need in this case. Yeh, read the manual. ;-) Based on the two modules, mod_rewrite appears to be the better choice for what I need (mod_proxy appears to be better suited for forward proxy solutions). I think I'm just missing something simple, and was hoping someone on the list might have run into a similar situation at some point. If I figure out any time soon, I'll post the solution. - Scott. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 17:55:06 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:55:06 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:10 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > I, of course, used automation for this; I have a password generator > integrated into JPilot's keyring plugin, and this does an eminently nice > job of generating implausibly difficult to guess passwords. And syncs > them, in encrypted form, onto my Palm. It's on a "post-it," albeit one > that uses 3-DES... I've found apg to be most helpful at work. """ Default algorithm is pronounceable password generation algorithm designed by Morrie Gasser and described in A Random Word Generator For Pronounce- able Passwords National Technical Information Service (NTIS) AD-A-017676. The original paper is very old and had never been put online, so I have to use NIST implementation described in FIPS-181. """ By default apg returns 6 different passwords. Choose the one that looks good to you. Or run it again and do the same. :) I usually just use them for ideas, and vary them as necessary so that I'll remember them and so they'll be accepted by the draconian password rules we have at work. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 18:17:53 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:17:53 -0500 Subject: Oxford Semi 922 (oxfu922) In-Reply-To: <41E6B41A.5070401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E6B41A.5070401@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:47:06 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I can't seem to find any info on whether the Oxford Semi 922 > (oxfu922) IDE->USB2/Firewire800 ASIC is supported in Linux. This is the > controller used in the Storecase DataSilo DS321. If you don't know > either way, can you recommend a place to look? I am sure there must be > notes related to the kernel somewhere but I am not sure how to go about > looking for this info shy of reading the release notes for each version > which would be, to say the least, a little unwieldly. Just as with USB mass storage devices, there is a class specification for firewire mass storage devices (SBP, I think is what they call it in the linux kernel). This ASIC has a high probability of implementing this standard, as it means they don't need to provide any drivers. It should 'just work' with any modern OS with a firewire port. Perhaps you could check the ASIC documentation to see if it does in fact implement the standard class devices. It probably does. It will probably 'just work'. :) Probably. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 18:47:26 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:47:26 -0500 Subject: Oxford Semi 922 (oxfu922) In-Reply-To: <41E6B41A.5070401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E6B41A.5070401@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050113184726.GF30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 12:47:06PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I can't seem to find any info on whether the Oxford Semi 922 > (oxfu922) IDE->USB2/Firewire800 ASIC is supported in Linux. This is the > controller used in the Storecase DataSilo DS321. If you don't know > either way, can you recommend a place to look? I am sure there must be > notes related to the kernel somewhere but I am not sure how to go about > looking for this info shy of reading the release notes for each version > which would be, to say the least, a little unwieldly. Well given usb-storage and sbp2 are both rather well defined standards for disks on usb and firewire respiectively, one would hope any sane company would design their device to those standards rather than having to supply drives for all sorts of operating systems. In other words most of those devices just work. On the other hand I have seen firewire media readers in the past that did not quite meet the spec as they had designed for "works with win2k drivers" rather than "works as the standards says it should". It even tually worked mostly with linux with some driver flags turned on to ignore certain parts of the standard in ways win2k does. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 19:16:52 2005 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:16:52 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: References: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20050113141652.24c1ac6c.jvetterli@linux.ca> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:55:06 -0500 Taavi Burns wrote: > I've found apg to be most helpful at work. > """ > Default algorithm is pronounceable password generation > algorithm designed > by Morrie Gasser and described in A Random Word Generator For > Pronounce- > able Passwords National Technical Information Service (NTIS) > AD-A-017676. > The original paper is very old and had never been put online, > so I have to > use NIST implementation described in FIPS-181. > """ > ... I like to get my passwords by running text through a markov chain program that uses individual characters as tokens instead of words. This gives you quite a few random nonsense "words" that are pronounceable, and therefore easy to remember. JV -- Are you a parent? Do you sometimes find yourself unsure as to what to say in those awkward situations? Worry no more... Good children always obey. Quit acting so childish. Boys don't cry. If you keep making faces, someday it'll freeze that way. Why do you have to know so much? This hurts me more than it hurts you. Why? Because I'm bigger than you. Well, you've ruined everything. Now are you happy? Oh, grow up. I'm only doing this because I love you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 18:56:01 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:56:01 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: <1105635019.3308.12.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> Safari support for iframes is not complete. This is why such great tools as FCKEditor don't work on Safari. here is a page on iframe browser compatibility: http://www.quirksmode.org/js/iframe.html Cheers, Aaron. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:50:18 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > Hey, > > Are there any web developers on this list that have experience with > Safari and javascript? A client wants to run our web application on his > iMac in Safari but I am getting some strange problems. First off how do > you view javascript errors? Please tell me there is a js console! > > Here is my js that is causing the problem: > //this function takes the form to submit and where to submit it > function submitTemp(form,where) > { > form.target="tempSaveIframe"; > form.method="POST"; > form.action=where; > form.submit(); > } > > This bascially just submits a form to an iframe referenced by the name > tempSaveIframe. This works on IE,FireFox,Mozilla,Netscape and so on, > but it fails in Safari. In safari it opens a new window. Which seem to > tell me that it does not recognize the iframe as a target. > > I put in some alerts like so: > > //this function takes the form so submit and where to submit it > function submitTemp(form,where) > { > alert("Form is:"+form); > form.target="tempSaveIframe"; > alert("Form Target is:"+form.target); > alert("iframe is"+window.frames["tempSaveIframe"].name); > form.method="POST"; > form.action=where; > form.submit(); > } > > In Safari the first two alerts are fine but it then dies on the third > alert. But since there seems to be no js console to let me know what > the error is, I don't know what to do. Has anyone seen this before? > Does Safari handle iframes differently? > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. > > Later > > -- > Devin Whalen > Programmer > Synaptic Vision Inc > Phone-(416) 539-0801 > Fax- (416) 539-8280 > 1179A King St. West > Toronto, Ontario > Suite 309 M6K 3C5 > Home-(416) 653-3982 > > Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust > www.getfirefox.com > > .-. > /v\ L I N U X > // \\ > /( )\ > ^^-^^ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 20:00:33 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:00:33 -0700 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113141652.24c1ac6c.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113141652.24c1ac6c.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: I like to get my passwords by running text through a markov chain program that uses individual characters as tokens instead of words. This gives you quite a few random nonsense "words" that are pronounceable, and therefore easy to remember. > well you can use the chage command to set the age of the password to 0 that way they are forced to change the password the next time they log in. make sure the time for password expiry is not set to 0 - otherwise they will need to change passwd everytime they log in :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 20:51:39 2005 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:51:39 -0500 Subject: Inode table References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E68BF2.9060304@vm-resources.com> <20050113162157.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41E6DF5B.9050409@vm-resources.com> hmm - not sure on this - my understanding is that a certain amount of inodes are kept in memory. The inode for the root of the file system is pointed at by the vfs superblock. My question is how is the in codre indoe table kept. Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 09:55:46AM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > > >>thanks - very informative. I'm interested as well in how the inode table >>is allocated in memory. For now I'll just consider it as an abstract table - >> >> > >Well the inode table is on disk. How the filesystem driver wants to >cache that info in ram is entirely up to it. Linux also adds the vfs >layer on top of all filesystems to provide a consistent generic >interface for much of the caching routines and such. Each filesystem >driver simply provides function call hooks for the vfs layer to use to >access that type of filesystem. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 20:58:26 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:58:26 -0500 Subject: Inode table In-Reply-To: <41E6DF5B.9050409-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E68BF2.9060304@vm-resources.com> <20050113162157.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E6DF5B.9050409@vm-resources.com> Message-ID: <20050113205826.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:51:39PM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > hmm - not sure on this - my understanding is that a certain amount of > inodes are kept in memory. The inode for the root of the file system is > pointed at by the vfs superblock. My question is how is the in codre > indoe table kept. I suspect the only thing really kept in memory is by the kernel's caching of raw disc blocks, which avoids a whole lot of complications at higher levels as everything above can just read the disc everytime they need to look something up but will just get an instant response from the block cache layer rather than having to wait for disk, and writes get flushed to disk fairly frequently to avoid the disk getting too out of sync with what the system wants it to contain. Of course any program that does a sync to flush a file, will only have it's function return after the data is actualyl flushed to the disk and no longer just in memory. Trying to make a cache system for storing the inodes of different filesystems in memory would just complicate things since they have to be searched through anyhow, so why not just parse the data as it comes from disk each time you need it and cache the raw data. It's much simpler that way and it allows one cache system to be used by the whole system. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 21:36:33 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:36:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Christopher Browne wrote: > > and (b) use minor variations on it thereafter instead of making up new > > ones. Both of those practices are distinctly detrimental to security. > > I just got forced into a password change yesterday on AIX, and > discovered that I wasn't permitted to have more than 2 characters of my > password be the same as the old one. > I'm not quite sure how someone would come up with a "minor" variation on > that... Oh, any number of ways -- they just get creative at higher levels. For example, rotate through the names of the seven dwarfs (perturbed enough to satisfy criteria about nonalphanumeric characters etc.). Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 21:40:39 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Jan 2005 16:40:39 -0500 Subject: Inode table In-Reply-To: <20050113205826.GG30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41E5DDB7.6050602@vm-resources.com> <20050113141250.GB30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E68BF2.9060304@vm-resources.com> <20050113162157.GE30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E6DF5B.9050409@vm-resources.com> <20050113205826.GG30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:51:39PM -0500, David Kreuter wrote: > > hmm - not sure on this - my understanding is that a certain amount of > > inodes are kept in memory. The inode for the root of the file system is > > pointed at by the vfs superblock. My question is how is the in codre > > indoe table kept. > > I suspect the only thing really kept in memory is by the kernel's > caching of raw disc blocks [snip] Sorry if I offend but this is kind of a dumb thread. There are some excellent books on the subject, including this one: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel2/ There's also good information online, like this walk through of what the kernel does when running a small program: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/vfs/trail.html And, of course, there's the kernel source. In short, there's no need to guess. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 17:47:06 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:47:06 -0500 Subject: Oxford Semi 922 (oxfu922) Message-ID: <41E6B41A.5070401@alteeve.com> Hi all, I can't seem to find any info on whether the Oxford Semi 922 (oxfu922) IDE->USB2/Firewire800 ASIC is supported in Linux. This is the controller used in the Storecase DataSilo DS321. If you don't know either way, can you recommend a place to look? I am sure there must be notes related to the kernel somewhere but I am not sure how to go about looking for this info shy of reading the release notes for each version which would be, to say the least, a little unwieldly. Thanks all! Madison PS - As an aside, can anyone recommend a known-good IDE (PATA or SATA) to Firewire or USB2 ASIC and/or prebuilt carrier with removable trays? The ones I have used until now no longer seem to be available... *sigh* -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 21:51:42 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05011310065343bd41-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7@mail.gmail.com> <41E60C1A.3060608@ksmultimedia.com> <99a6c38f05011310065343bd41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E6ED6E.1000907@ksmultimedia.com> psema4 wrote: >On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:50:18 -0500, Sidney wrote: > > >>Adam Raymond wrote: >> >> >> >>>FTP, Web Server. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>It seems like the fastest way to download things like that are from FTPs >>(which you have to know about) or IRC. I cant download anything at a >>decent speed outside of IRC, I found a couple bots which I get about >>400kb/s off of >> >> > >How about setting up bittorrents, with or without an RSS feed for new >additions? (I love RSS, and it's fairly easy to setup with linux and >perl.) > >My first experience with bittorrent was downloading FC2 - I don't >remember the top "cruising" speed for that download off-hand, but it >was greater than 800Kb/s. > > > I did have some success with torrent files, but its hard to find the files I was looking for as the sites which list the torrents kept on getting shut down :) Ah, the MPAA and RIAA at work Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 22:33:43 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:33:43 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <41E6ED6E.1000907-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7@mail.gmail.com> <41E60C1A.3060608@ksmultimedia.com> <99a6c38f05011310065343bd41@mail.gmail.com> <41E6ED6E.1000907@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > I did have some success with torrent files, but its hard to find the > files I was looking for as the sites which list the torrents kept on > getting shut down :) Ah, the MPAA and RIAA at work google query filetype:torrent ;) -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 13 18:06:15 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:06:15 -0500 Subject: Suggested IRC Server In-Reply-To: <41E60C1A.3060608-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <200501121801.13056.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <41E6046B.1080607@ksmultimedia.com> <34e8a43d0501122124baaf4b7@mail.gmail.com> <41E60C1A.3060608@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05011310065343bd41@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:50:18 -0500, Sidney wrote: > Adam Raymond wrote: > > >FTP, Web Server. > > > > > > > It seems like the fastest way to download things like that are from FTPs > (which you have to know about) or IRC. I cant download anything at a > decent speed outside of IRC, I found a couple bots which I get about > 400kb/s off of How about setting up bittorrents, with or without an RSS feed for new additions? (I love RSS, and it's fairly easy to setup with linux and perl.) My first experience with bittorrent was downloading FC2 - I don't remember the top "cruising" speed for that download off-hand, but it was greater than 800Kb/s. -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 00:10:16 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:10:16 -0500 Subject: OT - Reverse Proxies with Apache In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0501130954246eaa00-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f05011212382eb2d519@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0501130954246eaa00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f050113161017c564d9@mail.gmail.com> > I think I'm just missing something simple, and was hoping someone on > the list might have run into a similar situation at some point. If I > figure out any time soon, I'll post the solution. K, Got it working, so here it is. This section.... RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^host1.* [NC] RewriteRule ^(.+) http://192.168.0.101:81/$1 Should have been... RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^host1.* [NC] RewriteRule ^(.+) http://192.168.0.101:81/$1 [P] Silly, silly - but in my defence (quoted from the mod_rewrite reference docs)... "The great thing about mod_rewrite is it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail. The downside to mod_rewrite is that it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail." Lol. Yes, I also use Sendmail. I'm a sucker for punishment. ;-) -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 00:56:12 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:56:12 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050113170210.A2E9C3FD2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <200501131956.12859.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 13 January 2005 12:02, Christopher Browne wrote: > I just got forced into a password change yesterday on AIX, and > discovered that I wasn't permitted to have more than 2 characters of my > password be the same as the old one. I ran into something similar today with SLES8, it complained that the passwords were "too similiar" even though (IMO) they were exceedingly different. It might be that there were 2 common characters, annoying whatever the designer's parameters were. > I, of course, used automation for this; I have a password generator > integrated into JPilot's keyring plugin, and this does an eminently nice Another me too ... the human brain (well mine for sure) is pretty bad at generating randomness. Too often schemes like replacing vowels with numbers, keyboard tricks, etc. get used ... tricks like that are hardly random and I'd bet the average password cracking program these days can decrypt such passwords without difficulty. My choice for automation is pwgen, it's packaged for Debian, here's some example output: cheYae0e ahx0Efei lu6mohGu Ik7weogh neiV6sau Poom4equ Cue5zahh phu9Meir Ji4pheey gi8vahJo Pee1ooru waeb7Que eid4looK fuoV9now Ingushu6 deu8Kaen The passwords are pronouncable (to some extent) and not based on dictionary words. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 01:38:03 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:38:03 -0500 Subject: looking for wireless b/g network router In-Reply-To: <41E53C76.8070406-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41E53C76.8070406@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <41E7227B.6010300@rogers.com> Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > Im looking for a cheap (around $50) for a non refurb b/g wireless router > for a friend. Do what everyone else does. Check the ads. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 02:34:00 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:34:00 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E72F98.6010601@rogers.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Christopher Browne wrote: > >>>and (b) use minor variations on it thereafter instead of making up new >>>ones. Both of those practices are distinctly detrimental to security. >> >>I just got forced into a password change yesterday on AIX, and >>discovered that I wasn't permitted to have more than 2 characters of my >>password be the same as the old one. >>I'm not quite sure how someone would come up with a "minor" variation on >>that... > > > Oh, any number of ways -- they just get creative at higher levels. For > example, rotate through the names of the seven dwarfs (perturbed enough > to satisfy criteria about nonalphanumeric characters etc.). One way to generate unique passwords, is to run "ps aux|md5sum". Now that the hard part is done, all you have to do, is remember the new password. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 02:53:57 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:53:57 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <41E72F98.6010601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41E72F98.6010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: On pass(words/phrases): I'd recommend Diceware first and foremost: http://www.diceware.com/ Pronounceable, memorable and extremely strong (especially if you use casino-grade dice). As for writing them down: I don't really see a problem with it provided that you don't tack the thing to your monitor or anything... -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 03:34:50 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:34:50 -0500 Subject: Oxford Semi 922 (oxfu922) In-Reply-To: <41E6B41A.5070401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E6B41A.5070401@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200501132234.51081.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 13 January 2005 12:47, Madison Kelly wrote: > I can't seem to find any info on whether the Oxford Semi 922 > (oxfu922) IDE->USB2/Firewire800 ASIC is supported in Linux. This is the > controller used in the Storecase DataSilo DS321. If you don't know > either way, can you recommend a place to look? I am sure there must be grep -i -r oxford kernel-source-whatever/ Kernel sources have a Documentation subdirectory which might give you some specific information but you can often get an idea if something is supported just by grovelling through the source. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 03:46:59 2005 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:46:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Meeting on 11th of January In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20050112210741.8cdf2132-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.6.16.20050112210741.8cdf2132@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20050114034659.45669.qmail@web53902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there, I took the College Street streetcar, and by the help of a fellow attendant ( Thanks Philip ) got off at St. George. I enjoyed the meeting a lot, and found it helpfull. I don't have any notes taken. The notes from the speaker were posted on the list afterwards. See you all there next time. ---------- Emil Janev --- James McIntosh wrote: > Fortunately, the construction on College Street from Yonge Street to > Spadina is finished. > > Traffic there is back to normal. > > There is no longer any reason to take the route that I described. > > I hope that you enjoyed the meeting. > > I live in about the same part of the city as you do, but prefer not to > spend TTC tokens unless necessary. > > If you (or anyone else) took notes, and can travel along Sheppard Avenue > East, I know 2 cheap photocopy shops along Sheppard Avenue East where I can > photocopy your notes and you can photocopy mine. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 17:59:15 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:15 +0200 (IST) Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: <41E72F98.6010601-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41E72F98.6010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: > Henry Spencer wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Christopher Browne wrote: >> >>>> and (b) use minor variations on it thereafter instead of making up new >>>> ones. Both of those practices are distinctly detrimental to security. >>> >>> I just got forced into a password change yesterday on AIX, and >>> discovered that I wasn't permitted to have more than 2 characters of my >>> password be the same as the old one. >>> I'm not quite sure how someone would come up with a "minor" variation on >>> that... >> >> >> Oh, any number of ways -- they just get creative at higher levels. For >> example, rotate through the names of the seven dwarfs (perturbed enough >> to satisfy criteria about nonalphanumeric characters etc.). > > One way to generate unique passwords, is to run "ps aux|md5sum". Now that > the hard part is done, all you have to do, is remember the new password. ;-) Much easier and can be regenerated at will: echo "salt$(date)"|md5 where salt is a string that you remember (like your fav. cartoon character's name). And there is no need to type the entire output of md5 as password. Say the 5-th character on, is good. Run date with certain options to get the date right for when you set the password. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 18:42:51 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:42:51 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20501131056157750f1-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 13:56 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Safari support for iframes is not complete. This is why such great > tools as FCKEditor don't work on Safari. here is a page on iframe > browser compatibility: > > http://www.quirksmode.org/js/iframe.html > > Cheers, > Aaron. > Thanks for your reply Aaron. It seems I am going to have to find a workaround for Safari because you are correct, they don't support iframes. I could try to convince the client to use IE on the mac but then I would have to deal with all the things that the mac IE doesn't support ;). Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 18:58:35 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:58:35 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: <1105728171.21720.12.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> That's why I use Firefox. iFrames work like a charm there... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:42:51 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 13:56 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > > Safari support for iframes is not complete. This is why such great > > tools as FCKEditor don't work on Safari. here is a page on iframe > > browser compatibility: > > > > http://www.quirksmode.org/js/iframe.html > > > > Cheers, > > Aaron. > > > > Thanks for your reply Aaron. It seems I am going to have to find a > workaround for Safari because you are correct, they don't support > iframes. I could try to convince the client to use IE on the mac but > then I would have to deal with all the things that the mac IE doesn't > support ;). > > Later > > -- > Devin Whalen > Programmer > Synaptic Vision Inc > Phone-(416) 539-0801 > Fax- (416) 539-8280 > 1179A King St. West > Toronto, Ontario > Suite 309 M6K 3C5 > Home-(416) 653-3982 > > Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust > www.getfirefox.com > > .-. > /v\ L I N U X > // \\ > /( )\ > ^^-^^ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 19:47:03 2005 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:47:03 -0500 Subject: Openclinic - problem with PHP In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E821B7.3090001@sympatico.ca> Hi! I am setting up a test system with the OpenClinic project (http://openclinic.sourceforge.net) for a clinic here in town. I have the following set up : Server running Mandrake 10.0 Official with Apache and MySQL up and running. Managing most server side settings via Webmin and ssh. I am able to browse to the openclinic index on the server. There is a "install php script" that should be able to be executed (?) from this page (see item #9 at http://openclinic.sourceforge.net/openclinic/install.html#install). Instead of the script executing, it seems to only want to download (on server or remotely). I am sure I am missing something simple, but since this is my first Apache/MySQL/PHP project, I am hoping I can get some help with what that something is. Thanks ijn advance, Jay Hoeffer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 19:52:17 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:17 -0500 Subject: Openclinic - problem with PHP In-Reply-To: <41E821B7.3090001-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> <41E821B7.3090001@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b205011411523276f4fb@mail.gmail.com> You need to confirm that PHP is working. Try creating a file called "phpinfo.php" with the contents: and access that on the server. If you get no love from that file, then PHP hasnt been setup properly with Apache. There are lots of tutorials on getting PHP setup with apache; Google is the answer, since I'm too damned lazy to find one right now. Cheers, Aaron. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:47:03 -0500, Nezumikozo wrote: > Hi! > > I am setting up a test system with the OpenClinic project > (http://openclinic.sourceforge.net) for a clinic here in town. I have > the following set up : > > Server running Mandrake 10.0 Official with Apache and MySQL up and > running. Managing most server side settings via Webmin and ssh. > I am able to browse to the openclinic index on the server. > > There is a "install php script" that should be able to be executed (?) > from this page (see item #9 at > http://openclinic.sourceforge.net/openclinic/install.html#install). > Instead of the script executing, it seems to only want to download (on > server or remotely). I am sure I am missing something simple, but > since this is my first Apache/MySQL/PHP project, I am hoping I can get > some help with what that something is. > > Thanks ijn advance, > Jay Hoeffer > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 20:30:41 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:30:41 -0500 Subject: Forcing password change on new users... In-Reply-To: References: <41E72F98.6010601@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E82BF1.1090001@rogers.com> Mike Newman wrote: > On pass(words/phrases): > I'd recommend Diceware first and foremost: > http://www.diceware.com/ > Pronounceable, memorable and extremely strong (especially if you use > casino-grade dice). > > As for writing them down: I don't really see a problem with it > provided that you don't tack the thing to your monitor or anything... > I used to record passwords in an encrypted file. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 21:27:31 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:27:31 -0500 Subject: Computer books Message-ID: Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) that I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? Regards, PQ Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 21:47:42 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:47:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050114214742.90491.qmail@web88205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except > university's bookstore) that I > can buy computer books, such as data structure and > algorithm? While hardly perfect (read they tend towards Microsoft idiots guides), "World's Biggest Bookstore" is worth a look at 20 Edward Street, (416) 977-7009. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 21:50:40 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:50:40 -0500 Subject: Computer books Message-ID: Chapters/WBB are now selling "popular" computer books. I can hardly find computer science books - only UML is on the shelf of Advanced Computing. -----Original Message----- From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 14, 2005 4:46 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Computer books Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) > that > I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? The "World's Biggest Bookstore" on Edward St. used to be good, but I haven't been there in years. Chapters used to have a lot of good books, but they were dumbed down, after being bought by Indigo. I hope the same hasn't happen to the WBB. Also, some of the publishers sell direct to individuals, but you'll have to check with them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41e83dbf257701982894036! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 14 22:20:53 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:20:53 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:27:31PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) > that I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? "Data structure and algorithm" are not mass-market stuffs, so you're pretty much limited to University or College site. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 00:31:04 2005 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 14 Jan 2005 19:31:04 -0500 Subject: Non-Resolving email addresses Message-ID: <87ekgnsfcn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Does anyone know how I could get FetchMail to kill messages where the email address of the sender fails to resolve using the FastMail email service? For years now I used Fastmail as an email service and had been very happy with them. I used to run it IMAP from emacs/gnus but now use FetchMail to grab whatever messages there are as it seems to be less trouble since I have multiple accounts on fastmail.fm, warpmail.net and speedpost.net etc. all of which are in actual fact just aliases for Fastmail.fm But fastMail has now introduce a programme called Seive which they seem to think is the best thing invented since Sliced Bread. It is supposed to filter spam but in reality bounces legitimate innocuous messages whilst passing through the most balatant spam. Messages from the UK Government Old Age Pension department and similar legitimate senders get bounced whilst the most obnoxious spam gets passed through. Occasionally, however, the spammer uses an address that does not resolve and FetchMail gives me a "Fetchmail: SMTP error: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address mary-OkUsnttiWsnz+pZb47iToQ at public.gmane.org fails to resolve" Fetchmail leaves such messages on the fastmail server and to get rid of it I have to browser into Fastmail and manually delete the offending items. I use: Linux 2.4.27. 2.4.28 and 2.6.9 depending upon which drive I boot my box to. Slackware Current distro (updated twice daily with both swaret and rsync) Fetchmail 6.2.5 Procmail 15.2 Sendmail 8.13.1 emacs 21.3 gnus 5.09 I run fetchmail as a monthly cronjob with: /usr/bin/fetchmail -f /root/.fetchmailrc -F -K > /var/log/fastmail_poll Another cronjob mails me the fastmail_poll log then zaps the file. /root/.fetchmailrc [chopped] is: .. .. poll "www.fastmail.fm" proto IMAP user "me" pass "mypasswd" is "me" here poll "www.warpmail.net" proto IMAP user "meagain" pass "pwd" is "me" here .. etc Fastmail will not allow Freebie users like me to POP. I have switched my email addresses to @yahoo.fr and forward from them to the Toronto Freenet which then forwards mail directly to my box and is the only ISP/IP allowed to access port 25 and this works great as I can telnet into the TorFreeNet if I am going to take my system down for upgrades etc.and get them to hold the mail instead of having to access several netmail accounts and stop the forwarding. I am eventually going to totally abandon Fastmail, but there are still a few occasional legitimate mails coming in via fastmail so I do need to bring mail in from that source. Any help would be greatly appreiated. I have tried for ages to find the answer. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 01:10:05 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:10:05 -0500 Subject: Non-Resolving email addresses In-Reply-To: <87ekgnsfcn.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87ekgnsfcn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050115011005.GA3550@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 07:31:04PM -0500, SlackRat wrote: > Occasionally, however, the spammer uses an address that does not > resolve and FetchMail gives me a "Fetchmail: SMTP error: 451 4.1.8 > Domain of sender address mary-OkUsnttiWsnz+pZb47iToQ at public.gmane.org fails to resolve" > > Fetchmail leaves such messages on the fastmail server and to get rid > of it I have to browser into Fastmail and manually delete the > offending items. man fetchmail (-Z option or 'antispam' keyword) > Fastmail will not allow Freebie users like me to POP. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 02:03:27 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:03:27 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E879EF.5020307@rogers.com> I guess Heather Reisman has done her damage there too. A while ago, she announced her intention to move her stores away from books, into gifts etc. So much for having decent book stores, especially since Chapter etc., destroyed that computer book store chain that used to be in this area. Why don't you want to go to a university book store? They do sell to the public. And as I mentioned, you can order directly from some publishers. It's amazing how one person can do so much damage to an industry. Phillip Qin wrote: > Chapters/WBB are now selling "popular" computer books. I can hardly find > computer science books - only UML is on the shelf of Advanced Computing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: January 14, 2005 4:46 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Computer books > > > Phillip Qin wrote: > > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) > > that > > I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? > > The "World's Biggest Bookstore" on Edward St. used to be good, but I > haven't been there in years. Chapters used to have a lot of good books, > but they were dumbed down, after being bought by Indigo. I hope the > same hasn't happen to the WBB. > > Also, some of the publishers sell direct to individuals, but you'll have > to check with them. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > !DSPAM:41e83dbf257701982894036! > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 02:09:53 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:09:53 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050114222053.GA3137-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:27:31PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > >>Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) >>that I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? > > > "Data structure and algorithm" are not mass-market stuffs, so you're > pretty much limited to University or College site. > Actually, I used to see some books of that nature at Chapters. However, their entire computer, network and datacom section has been seriously dumbed down, since Indigo took over. Years ago, when I was attending Ryerson, many of my texts were available at the World's Biggest Bookstore, as well as in the Ryerson book store. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 02:51:57 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:51:57 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E87B71.3050406-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 09:09:53PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > >On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:27:31PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > > > >>Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) > >>that I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? > > > > > >"Data structure and algorithm" are not mass-market stuffs, so you're > >pretty much limited to University or College site. > > > > Actually, I used to see some books of that nature at Chapters. However, > their entire computer, network and datacom section has been seriously > dumbed down, since Indigo took over. Years ago, when I was attending > Ryerson, many of my texts were available at the World's Biggest > Bookstore, as well as in the Ryerson book store. Are you implying that Indigo got rid of their best selling books and now stock only low-turnover stuffs? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 03:01:38 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:01:38 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050115025157.GA4050-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > Are you implying that Indigo got rid of their best selling books and > now stock only low-turnover stuffs? > No. I'm saying they carried a good selection of technical books and now they don't. For example, the telecommunications technology books have pretty well disappeared. The computer books then to be more for Windows & apps than computer science, though there are of course some Linux & Mac books. For example, a few years ago, I was browsing through the computer book section and found one that included a section on sorting methods. There used to be a lot of that sort of book at Chapters and WBB, which covered various aspects of computer science, rather than just using the latest version of Windows or MS Office. As I mentioned, this change occured at Chapters, after Indigo bought them. At one time, the Chapters promise was to have a wide variety of books, including less popular titles, that couldn't be found elsewhere. Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process is also hurting the Canadian book industry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 03:37:20 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:37:20 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E88792.3060906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E88FF0.4050704@istop.com> James Knott wrote: > Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, > which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process is > also hurting the Canadian book industry. You seem to be against PC and globalization. And deregularization or something like that. Etc... Not nice. Bigger brother will remember that. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 04:21:25 2005 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:21:25 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E88792.3060906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20050114232125.00e0e9cc@mail.look.ca> At 22:01 2005-01-14 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, > which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process is > also hurting the Canadian book industry. As a philosphical book wholesaler said, "Ah well. Gone today, here tomorrow." Cheers, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 05:41:19 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:41:19 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem Message-ID: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> Folks - I just installed Suse Linux Professional 9.2 on our domestic computer system, formerly a Windows 98 system. I was very impressed with the ease of installation - Suse partitioned the hard drive without any intervention, detected most of the hardware, and most of it works just fine. And the main thing, my wife is very favourably impressed with KDE and Open Office, so she'll probably actually use it in prefence to the Windows stuff. However (you knew this was coming, didn't you? ;), Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP (Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking through the manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in general. Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel is 2.6.8. Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From msh7-U2XT7ciQrQL3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 07:15:40 2005 From: msh7-U2XT7ciQrQL3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:15:40 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115004119.A17962-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> Hi, On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:41 -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I just installed Suse Linux Professional 9.2 on our domestic computer > system, formerly a Windows 98 system. I was very impressed with the ease of > installation - Suse partitioned the hard drive without any intervention, > detected most of the hardware, and most of it works just fine. And the main > thing, my wife is very favourably impressed with KDE and Open Office, so > she'll probably actually use it in prefence to the Windows stuff. > > However (you knew this was coming, didn't you? ;), Suse did not recognize > the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP (Pathcom), and to the > computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon scanner, however, which is > also a USB device.) After looking through the manuals and browsing the > internet, I can't find anything that (a) says how to install a driver, if > driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. In fact, it looks as if USB > ADSL modems are not all that common in general. > > Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I > thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel > is 2.6.8. Is this your modem? http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879&sub=882&sku=BB0069 If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ Michael -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 12:05:18 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:05:18 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E88FF0.4050704-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E88FF0.4050704@istop.com> Message-ID: <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, >> which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process >> is also hurting the Canadian book industry. > > > You seem to be against PC and globalization. And deregularization or > something like that. Etc... Not nice. Bigger brother will remember that. What's "PC" in this context? And no, I'm not against globalization. And I don't recall mentioning anything about "deregularization or something". I was simply pointing out that one company has taken control of the market, to the detriment of the customers and publishers. I also oppose Microsoft's domination of the software market for similar reasons. In the case of book stores, Heather Reisman has greatly reduced the selection of books available to customers and has publicly stated her intention to move her book stores in other directions. Unfortunately, there are few other available book stores, that carry the books we're looking for. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 16:02:26 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:02:26 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E906FE.8070104-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:05:18AM -0500 References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E88FF0.4050704@istop.com> <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> I'd agree that the collections at Indigo and Chapters are pretty useless for serious reading in computer science. However, as far as the sale of computer books is concerned, you will recall that Toronto Computer Books, which used to be on Yonge south of Wellesley, had a very good collection and seemed to be well run. They couldn't make it as a business, so it may be that it's too much of a specialty topic to be viable. You can argue that the big bookstores (which were carrying many of the same titles at that time) put them out of business, but even so, it's evidently not hugely profitable. As an alternative, anyone can visit the University libraries. You can make copies but not borrow the books, unless you're affiliated with that university. If you want to browse, you could check out Ryerson, U of T and York (all of which have departments of computer science) for titles and then purchase the ones you think you should have on hand. Peter On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:05:18AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > James Knott wrote: > > > >> Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, > >> which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process > >> is also hurting the Canadian book industry. > > > > > > You seem to be against PC and globalization. And deregularization or > > something like that. Etc... Not nice. Bigger brother will remember that. > > What's "PC" in this context? And no, I'm not against globalization. > And I don't recall mentioning anything about "deregularization or > something". I was simply pointing out that one company has taken > control of the market, to the detriment of the customers and publishers. > I also oppose Microsoft's domination of the software market for > similar reasons. > > In the case of book stores, Heather Reisman has greatly reduced the > selection of books available to customers and has publicly stated her > intention to move her book stores in other directions. Unfortunately, > there are few other available book stores, that carry the books we're > looking for. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 16:01:45 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:01:45 +0200 (IST) Subject: fax with mgetty question Message-ID: Hi all, I would like to hear reports about sending and receiving faxes with mgetty and a class 2.0 fax modem to/from usual (older) office faxes. It does not seem to be possible. Wrong ? (the system works great vs. modern machines and all-in-one printer/fax combos but I need to interoperate with old clunkers). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 17:11:04 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:11:04 -0500 Subject: Non-Resolving email addresses In-Reply-To: <87ekgnsfcn.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87ekgnsfcn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: On 14 Jan 2005 19:31:04 -0500, SlackRat wrote: > But fastMail has now introduce a programme called Seive which they seem to > think is the best thing invented since Sliced Bread. Sieve is actually the IMAP standard filtering language, and FastMail's had it going since, well... forever. Unfortunately Sieve wasn't very well thought out because they forgot to come up with a standard way of getting your Sieve script onto the server! -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 17:44:13 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:44:13 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050115110226.B20871-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org>; from phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 11:02:26AM -0500 References: <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050115124413.F1269@leftmind.net> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I'd agree that the collections at Indigo and Chapters are pretty useless for > serious reading in computer science. > > However, as far as the sale of computer books is concerned, you will recall > that Toronto Computer Books, which used to be on Yonge south of Wellesley, > had a very good collection and seemed to be well run. They couldn't make it > as a business, so it may be that it's too much of a specialty topic to be > viable. Bricks-and-mortar stores seem to have to stick to the really popular titles to make a go of it and cover the rent. If your tastes run to the nondefault, an online retailer like amazon.ca is much more likely to be able to cover it; if it's in print at all then they probably have it. And that applies to CDs and DVDs as well as to books. > As an alternative, anyone can visit the University libraries. You can make > copies but not borrow the books, ... The U of T bookstore used to have quite a good collection of serious computer science books for sale, though last time I took a look there things looked a lot more dumbed-down than I remembered. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:14:35 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:35 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115071540.GH1588-+bTYCzi3NQu377+mSgj3YA@public.gmane.org>; from msh7-U2XT7ciQrQL3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500 References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> Message-ID: <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> Michael - Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check them out. My next stop is going to be Pathcom, to see if they have any idea. It's their recommended modem, it should work with Linux. Or we should go with a different ISP, maybe. Peter On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500, Michael Hong wrote: > > Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP > > (Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon > > scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking through the > > manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says > > how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. > > In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in > > general. > > > > Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I > > thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel > > is 2.6.8. > > Is this your modem? > http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879&sub=882&sku=BB0069 > > If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux > compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. > > I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ > > Michael > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:18:45 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:18:45 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050115110226.B20871-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E88FF0.4050704@istop.com> <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41E95E85.9040809@rogers.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I'd agree that the collections at Indigo and Chapters are pretty useless for > serious reading in computer science. > > However, as far as the sale of computer books is concerned, you will recall > that Toronto Computer Books, which used to be on Yonge south of Wellesley, > had a very good collection and seemed to be well run. They couldn't make it > as a business, so it may be that it's too much of a specialty topic to be > viable. > > You can argue that the big bookstores (which were carrying many of the same > titles at that time) put them out of business, but even so, it's evidently > not hugely profitable. I shopped at those Computer Books stores frequently. There were a few around the area. As I recall, they lost out to Chapters, back when Chapters had a good selection. In fact, I seem to recall that at one point, Chapters had a better selection. It is possible to survive in a niche business, but difficult if a larger company decides to go after the same business. If Chapters had only sold the low end (i.e. consumer level)books they now carry, those Computer Book stores might still be around. As I recall, they didn't have much in the low end range, aiming more at the professional and educational markets. There's also the other side of the coin, where Indigo & Chapters are essentially the Canadian market and have enough strength that they can start dictating terms to the publishers, with the end result that some of the publishers are hurting. It's just like the situation where suppliers can't afford to deal with Walmart, but can't afford not to. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:22:12 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:22:12 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050115124413.F1269-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115124413.F1269@leftmind.net> Message-ID: <41E95F54.9050900@rogers.com> Anthony de Boer wrote: > Peter Hiscocks wrote: >>As an alternative, anyone can visit the University libraries. You can make >>copies but not borrow the books, ... > > > The U of T bookstore used to have quite a good collection of serious > computer science books for sale, though last time I took a look there > things looked a lot more dumbed-down than I remembered. I wonder how the Ryerson bookstore is doing in that regard? It's been years since I last shopped there. Back in the '80s, when I was studying electrical engineering at Ryerson, I'd compare the text book prices between the Ryerson bookstore and the World's Biggest Bookstore. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:32:49 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:32:49 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115131435.C22711-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Michael - > > Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check them out. > > My next stop is going to be Pathcom, to see if they have any idea. It's > their recommended modem, it should work with Linux. Or we should go with a > different ISP, maybe. It's worth a try, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Even ISPs who officially support Linux only support it with true Ethernet modems (as far as I've seen). IMHO Ethernet DSL modems have several advantages. They have a true ethernet card built in, which means they "just work" with most operating systems (Windows, Linux, Mac/OSX). All you need to use them under Linux are the drivers for your ethernet card (much more common than for USB modems) and a dialer package for PPP over ethernet (PPPoE). Furthermore, the ethernet modems use a dedicated processing chip, reducing the CPU load. They also work better with third-party routers, WiFi stations, etc., because few of those have a USB port. I guess what I am saying is that unless your your ISP has a technical reason for using a USB modem (i.e. they use some non-standard protocol), you should save yourself the trouble and buy an ethernet modem. > > Peter > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500, Michael Hong wrote: > >>>Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP >>>(Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon >>>scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking through the >>>manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says >>>how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. >>>In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in >>>general. >>> >>>Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I >>>thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel >>>is 2.6.8. >> >>Is this your modem? >>http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879&sub=882&sku=BB0069 >> >>If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux >>compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. >> >>I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: >> >>http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ >> >>Michael -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 18:40:29 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:40:29 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E87B71.3050406-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E9639D.3020805@truxtar.com> James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:27:31PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: >> >>> Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) >>> that I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? >> >> >> >> "Data structure and algorithm" are not mass-market stuffs, so you're >> pretty much limited to University or College site. >> > > Actually, I used to see some books of that nature at Chapters. However, > their entire computer, network and datacom section has been seriously > dumbed down, since Indigo took over. Years ago, when I was attending > Ryerson, many of my texts were available at the World's Biggest > Bookstore, as well as in the Ryerson book store. You may want to check out the Chapters/Indigo online store (chapters.ca), since they have a much larger selection there, and I found their prices a little lower than amazon.com. I should probably mention, however, that my experience with chapters.ca has been bad so far. I ordered "Programming Challenges: The Programming Contest Training Manual" ~ 3 weeks ago, and they still don't have it in stock (I am surprised they have it at all). Maybe I should have paid the extra $5 and ordered from amazon.com. Off topic, does anyone know any online books/ebooks/websites that explain the strategies used to solve programming contest-type questions rather than just giving questions and solutions? (I am trying to prepare for the Waterloo Canadian Computing Competition this year) Thanks. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 15:45:58 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:45:58 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E88FF0.4050704-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> Maybe you are being facetious (I can't quite tell), but I don't think you need to be against deregulation or anything else. Just go outside your biases and see what is really there. Go visit chapter's. Can you find a K&R book? No. Can you find Stroustrup's C++ book? No. Books on Kylix? No. Can you find Windows For Dummies? Yes. .NET programming? Yes. TCP/IP? No, unless it's published by Cisco, or written by Richard Stevens. Anything that will sell quickly. Canada Computer Books, (parent company of Toronto Computer Books and Mississauga Computer Books) used to sell the "No" books in siginificant quantity. They served an audience of serious programmers. They sold books that you couldn't find at Chapter's. And I don't think it was the acquisition by Indigo that dumbed down the selection, but the demise of Canada Computer Books, which were never that big a business to begin with. There are now no serious competitors left, unless you count PC Maniak. And don't count on finding too many "serious" books there, although I admit that there are many surprises there, and still worth the odd visit. BTW, their shop on College street is now out of business, leaving only their outlet near Matheson and Tomken in Mississauga. Going by my last visit, I thought their selection at College Street looked too much like Chapter's. And they were selling junky electronics just before they went out of business. Did anyone purchase one of their Pentium 4 Motherboards (original Perntium IV socket) they were selling for $25.00 before they closed their doors? Paul King On 14 Jan 2005 at 22:37, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > > Now most of the retail book industry is controlled by one company, > > which has resulted in a much poorer book selection and in the process is also > > hurting the Canadian book industry. > > You seem to be against PC and globalization. And deregularization or > something like that. Etc... Not nice. Bigger brother will remember that. > > zb. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.971 (20050114) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 19:22:17 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:22:17 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> Message-ID: <41E96D69.50604@rogers.com> Paul King wrote: > Canada Computer Books, (parent company of Toronto Computer Books and > Mississauga Computer Books) used to sell the "No" books in siginificant > quantity. They served an audience of serious programmers. They sold books that > you couldn't find at Chapter's. And I don't think it was the acquisition by > Indigo that dumbed down the selection, but the demise of Canada Computer Books, > which were never that big a business to begin with. Given Heather Reisman's announcements of what she plans to do with the business, I wouldn't be too sure of that. She wants to have more emphasis on gifts etc., and less on books, which will result in an even poorer selection. I don't think we'll find many computer science books, in a gift shop. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 19:33:44 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E96D69.50604-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> <41E96D69.50604@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E97018.6060200@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > Paul King wrote: > >> Canada Computer Books, (parent company of Toronto Computer Books and >> Mississauga Computer Books) used to sell the "No" books in >> siginificant quantity. They served an audience of serious programmers. >> They sold books that you couldn't find at Chapter's. And I don't think >> it was the acquisition by Indigo that dumbed down the selection, but >> the demise of Canada Computer Books, which were never that big a >> business to begin with. Further on this. Chapters used to carry a selection of telecommunications engineering level books, which I'd never seen in the Computer Books stores. Those books have disappeared from Chapters too, so the loss of the those Computer Book stores was the reason for that disappearance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 19:52:43 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:52:43 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <41E961D1.20808-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>; from anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500 References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> Anton - Yeah, I'm beginning to think that an ethernet-based modem is a better bet. They have much better support from Linux, and they're not that expensive. I'll see what the ISP says. Thanks for the suggestions. Peter On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > > different ISP, maybe. > > It's worth a try, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Even ISPs > who officially support Linux only support it with true Ethernet modems > (as far as I've seen). > > IMHO Ethernet DSL modems have several advantages. They have a true > ethernet card built in, which means they "just work" with most operating > systems (Windows, Linux, Mac/OSX). All you need to use them under Linux > are the drivers for your ethernet card (much more common than for USB > modems) and a dialer package for PPP over ethernet (PPPoE). Furthermore, > the ethernet modems use a dedicated processing chip, reducing the CPU > load. They also work better with third-party routers, WiFi stations, > etc., because few of those have a USB port. > > I guess what I am saying is that unless your your ISP has a technical > reason for using a USB modem (i.e. they use some non-standard protocol), > you should save yourself the trouble and buy an ethernet modem. > > > > > Peter > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500, Michael Hong wrote: > > > >>>Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP > >>>(Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon > >>>scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking through the > >>>manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says > >>>how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. > >>>In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in > >>>general. > >>> > >>>Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I > >>>thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel > >>>is 2.6.8. > >> > >>Is this your modem? > >>http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879&sub=882&sku=BB0069 > >> > >>If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux > >>compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. > >> > >>I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: > >> > >>http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ > >> > >>Michael > > -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:04:23 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:04:23 -0500 Subject: Dependancy Hell In-Reply-To: References: <20050110105054.35cfe135@nerdlinger> <20050110180128.GY30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41E2EE73.1070609@pobox.com> <20050110211803.GZ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41E98557.6030009@truxtar.com> Mike Newman wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:18:03 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > >>I have only used dist-upgrade for the last 6 years and it has always >>worked great for me, so I never use upgrade. > > In fact, if you use the (IMO excellent) Synaptic it now does > dist-upgrade by default (although I believe they call it "smart > upgrading" or some such...) > Definitely a good move, though. Be careful about using dist-upgrade automatically though, especially when tracking unstable. Over the past six months I can count three times when incomplete uploads (only some packages from a tree of dependencies) caused big problems for me (or would have with dist-upgrade). This is most common with KDE and other inter-dependent systems (the kde 3.2.2 to 3.2.3 upgrade was a stormy ride), but the most recent one involves libflac4 conflicting with libflac6. dist-upgrade wants to uninstall a bunch of packages which depend on libflac4 in order to install libflac6 and one package which requires it. This is when you use plain 'upgrade' to ignore that group of packages and wait out the storm. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:22:23 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:22:23 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501151622.23833.marc@lijour.net> On January 14, 2005 04:50 pm, Phillip Qin wrote: > Chapters/WBB are now selling "popular" computer books. I can hardly find > computer science books - only UML is on the shelf of Advanced Computing. I usually proceed like this: - try to find out what book you need/is required from you - go to amazon.ca and do a search with magic (well chosen) keywords - read, compare, shop! - both amazon.ca and chapters.indigo.ca offer great books though most of the time they are not in store. They deliver for free too, on top of a 30% discount most of the time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: January 14, 2005 4:46 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Computer books > > Phillip Qin wrote: > > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) > > that > > I can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? > > The "World's Biggest Bookstore" on Edward St. used to be good, but I > haven't been there in years. Chapters used to have a lot of good books, > but they were dumbed down, after being bought by Indigo. I hope the > same hasn't happen to the WBB. > > Also, some of the publishers sell direct to individuals, but you'll have > to check with them. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > !DSPAM:41e83dbf257701982894036! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:27:35 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:27:35 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501151627.35127.marc@lijour.net> On January 14, 2005 04:27 pm, Phillip Qin wrote: > Any one if there is a place in GTA (except university's bookstore) that I > can buy computer books, such as data structure and algorithm? > I remember a small bookstore -typically one owner- carrying an excellent selection of technical books. It was in Younge st above college and south of Bloor, on the east side of the st. The guy had all the classics: the collection of Stevens books, most typical titles in CS, probably the complete O'Reilly offering that there also.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:32:35 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:32:35 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E95F54.9050900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> <20050115124413.F1269@leftmind.net> <41E95F54.9050900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501151632.35455.marc@lijour.net> On January 15, 2005 01:22 pm, James Knott wrote: > Anthony de Boer wrote: > > Peter Hiscocks wrote: > >>As an alternative, anyone can visit the University libraries. You can > >> make copies but not borrow the books, ... > > > > The U of T bookstore used to have quite a good collection of serious > > computer science books for sale, though last time I took a look there > > things looked a lot more dumbed-down than I remembered. > > I wonder how the Ryerson bookstore is doing in that regard? It's been > years since I last shopped there. Back in the '80s, when I was studying > electrical engineering at Ryerson, I'd compare the text book prices > between the Ryerson bookstore and the World's Biggest Bookstore. If you'd compare today you would end up buying online most of the time. The problem with Ryerson's bookstore is the surface. There is no way you could find many books if it is already crowded with the course books. For alternative readings you have to go to the library or buy online. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 22:24:02 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:24:02 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E97018.6060200-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> <41E96D69.50604@rogers.com> <41E97018.6060200@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41E99802.7060006@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> Paul King wrote: >> >>> Canada Computer Books, (parent company of Toronto Computer Books and >>> Mississauga Computer Books) used to sell the "No" books in >>> siginificant quantity. They served an audience of serious >>> programmers. They sold books that you couldn't find at Chapter's. And >>> I don't think it was the acquisition by Indigo that dumbed down the >>> selection, but the demise of Canada Computer Books, which were never >>> that big a business to begin with. > > > Further on this. Chapters used to carry a selection of > telecommunications engineering level books, which I'd never seen in the > Computer Books stores. Those books have disappeared from Chapters too, > so the loss of the those Computer Book stores was the reason for that > disappearance. That should be: "Those books have disappeared from Chapters too, so the loss of the those Computer Book stores wasn't the reason for that disappearance." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 22:52:45 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <200501151627.35127.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501151627.35127.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Marc Lijour wrote: > I remember a small bookstore -typically one owner- carrying an excellent > selection of technical books. It was in Younge st above college and south of > Bloor, on the east side of the st. That was the late, lamented Toronto Computer Books. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 23:13:47 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:47 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E99802.7060006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 05:24:02PM -0500 References: <41E97018.6060200@rogers.com> <41E99802.7060006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050115181347.I1269@leftmind.net> James Knott wrote: > That should be: > "Those books have disappeared from Chapters too, so the loss of the > those Computer Book stores wasn't the reason for that > disappearance." That should be: "Those books have disappeared from Chapters too, now that they're no longer needed to drive that pesky Computer Books competitor out of business." -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 00:29:28 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:29:28 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> Message-ID: <200501151929.28683.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 15 January 2005 10:45, Paul King wrote: > need to be against deregulation or anything else. Just go outside your > biases and see what is really there. Go visit chapter's. Can you find a K&R > book? No. Can you find Stroustrup's C++ book? No. Books on Kylix? No. Can > you find Windows For Dummies? Yes. .NET programming? Yes. TCP/IP? No, > unless it's published by Cisco, or written by Richard Stevens. Anything > that will sell quickly. Generally I agree on Chapters, I rarely find books that raise any interest beyond a 15 second glance at the index. However, I was at WBB today and I thought the selection was rather good. There were a lot of books on TCP/IP (I didn't look in detail), there was a book on Kylix (I remember because I was surprised), I didn't look at the books on C/C++ much (they were lost in the maze of C#). > There are now no serious competitors left, unless you count PC Maniak. And > don't count on finding too many "serious" books there, although I admit > that there are many surprises there, and still worth the odd visit. BTW, > their shop on College street is now out of business, leaving only their > outlet near Matheson and Tomken in Mississauga. Going by my last visit, I PC Maniak's Mississauga location is pretty good if you want to stock up on old O'reilly releases, there was a really good selection of nutshell books for $2/each ... $14.95 for the nutshell books at WBB was a little obnoxious. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 05:21:22 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:21:22 -0500 Subject: Computer books Message-ID: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> On 15 Jan 2005 at 16:57, Marc Evelyn wrote: > Actually, yes to all three of those at the "World's Biggest" on Edward > St. I was by there just last week. It's really not too bad for many of > the "classics". > > Peace, Marc > But I would expect that from a flagship store. I was at Chapter's at Square One last night (helping someone else out with finding computer books), and didn't see any of these titles. So I guess, there is only one bookstore in all of Ontario (outside of the universities) that carries the classics, namely WBB. I don't consider that to be any kind of vindication whatsoever. In fact, I think it just emphasizes the problem. If you live outside of Toronto, you're screwed. But my main point isn't really about who carries the classics. It is more about supporting the same points brought up elsewhere in this thread, that the level of variety has suffered immensely since any meaningful competition has really been smoked out, and the variety and intelligence level of the books has suffered greatly since then. Regards Paul ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 15 21:37:37 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:37:37 +0200 (IST) Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <41E961D1.20808-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Anton Markov wrote: > Peter Hiscocks wrote: >> Michael - >> >> Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check them out. >> My next stop is going to be Pathcom, to see if they have any idea. It's >> their recommended modem, it should work with Linux. Or we should go with a >> different ISP, maybe. > > It's worth a try, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Even ISPs who > officially support Linux only support it with true Ethernet modems (as far as > I've seen). Adsl Speedtouch modems from Alcatel are supposed to work with usb. the hotplug driver has support for them ? Not tried by myself. hope it helps, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 12:59:35 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:59:35 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <200501151929.28683.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E8F466.1324.179F54@localhost> <200501151929.28683.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <41EA6537.30600@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > PC Maniak's Mississauga location is pretty good if you want to stock up on old > O'reilly releases, there was a really good selection of nutshell books for > $2/each ... $14.95 for the nutshell books at WBB was a little obnoxious. > You can even find some current, though older books there. For example, I recently bought the O'Reilly Ethernet book. I paid (IIRC) $5. It's still on the shelves at Chapters, for full price. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 14:45:20 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:45:20 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost>; from pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:21:22AM -0500 References: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> Message-ID: <20050116094520.J1269@leftmind.net> Paul King wrote: > So I guess, there is only one bookstore in all of Ontario (outside of the > universities) that carries the classics, namely WBB. I don't consider that to > be > any kind of vindication whatsoever. In fact, I think it just emphasizes the > problem. If you live outside of Toronto, you're screwed. Not really; my local smalltown Canada Post outlet has carried a range of interesting packages with various serious computer books. WBB simply proves that you need a huge store to carry a decent range of titles. If you had "bigbox" bookstores like it in major towns across the country you might be able to deliver that sort of selection by traditional retail; little mall bookshops just aren't going to be able to match what WBB can do, and specialist bookstores (and WBB itself) are too far from too many of their customers. The online model is going to overtake the retail-store model for wide selections of obscure books, CDs, DVDs, and the like; in fact, it already has. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 15:24:35 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:24:35 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050116094520.J1269-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> <20050116094520.J1269@leftmind.net> Message-ID: <41EA8733.5060600@rogers.com> Anthony de Boer wrote: > Paul King wrote: > >>So I guess, there is only one bookstore in all of Ontario (outside of the >>universities) that carries the classics, namely WBB. I don't consider that to >>be >>any kind of vindication whatsoever. In fact, I think it just emphasizes the >>problem. If you live outside of Toronto, you're screwed. > > > Not really; my local smalltown Canada Post outlet has carried a range of > interesting packages with various serious computer books. > > WBB simply proves that you need a huge store to carry a decent range of > titles. If you had "bigbox" bookstores like it in major towns across the > country you might be able to deliver that sort of selection by > traditional retail; little mall bookshops just aren't going to be able to > match what WBB can do, and specialist bookstores (and WBB itself) are too > far from too many of their customers. The online model is going to > overtake the retail-store model for wide selections of obscure books, > CDs, DVDs, and the like; in fact, it already has. > I prefer to browse through a book, before buying. There are many books that sound good, but when you get into them, you find they're not so good. I've discovered books with significant errors that way. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 17:30:57 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:30:57 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41EA8733.5060600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050116094520.J1269@leftmind.net> Message-ID: <41EA5E81.2318.56A0C61@localhost> I feel the same way. I need to browse through the book also. I would only ever buy online if I already know about the book from someplace else (the library for example) and have had a good look at it. Some online vendors such as O'Reilly compensate by offering sample chapters, but it is not the same as actually having the book in your hand and leafing through it. And if it is an obscure book I am looking for, the bookstore would probably be about the only place I could do that. And you don't need a huge bookstore to carry a decent range of titles, as the Toronto/Mississauga Computer Books proved quite well. The bigbox stores do exist in major towns (ie, there is a Chapters here in Oakville), and they absolutely do not carry obscure computer titles (they did until they drove the local computer bookstores out of business). In fact, the staff are computer illiterate unless it is to use the cash register or to do a search for your order. All you really need is a small to medium-sized bookstore with staff who give a darn about what they are selling. Use of a cash register is optional. They can collect the money in a shoebox and use a calculator. Paul On 16 Jan 2005 at 10:24, James Knott wrote: > Anthony de Boer wrote: > > WBB simply proves that you need a huge store to carry a decent range of > > titles. If you had "bigbox" bookstores like it in major towns across the > > country you might be able to deliver that sort of selection by traditional > > retail; little mall bookshops just aren't going to be able to match what WBB > > can do, and specialist bookstores (and WBB itself) are too far from too many > > of their customers. The online model is going to overtake the retail-store > > model for wide selections of obscure books, CDs, DVDs, and the like; in fact, > > it already has. > > > > I prefer to browse through a book, before buying. There are many books > that sound good, but when you get into them, you find they're not so good. > I've discovered books with significant errors that way. > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 19:43:17 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:43:17 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41EA5E81.2318.56A0C61@localhost>; from pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:30:57PM -0500 References: <20050116094520.J1269@leftmind.net> <41EA8733.5060600@rogers.com> <41EA5E81.2318.56A0C61@localhost> Message-ID: <20050116144317.B8700@ee.ryerson.ca> Perhaps not for specialty trade books (like computer books), but there is still a place for the small bookstore. I consistently find interesting science books at Book City. A place like WBB has lots of stuff, but the ordering seems less knowledgeable. It's also interesting that Book City carry different books at their different stores, unlike Chapters and Indigo, which carry the same stock everywhere. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 16 23:06:18 2005 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:06:18 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> References: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> Message-ID: <20050116230618.GJ3293@shell.vex.net> On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:21:22AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > But my main point isn't really about who carries the classics. It is more about > supporting the same points brought up elsewhere in this thread, that the level > of variety has suffered immensely since any meaningful competition has really > been smoked out, and the variety and intelligence level of the books has > suffered greatly since then. Compounding the problem of the independent computer booksellers with the competition from Chapters was the whole dot-bomb, post-Y2K fiasco in the computer industry. Before then, finding a remaindered O'Reilly was a rare experience. Another specialty industry that was also savaged at the time was IT recruitment. From the perspective of Heather Reisman, this may have been a fortuitous development in more ways than one. - Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 00:16:06 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:16:06 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050116230618.GJ3293-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> <20050116230618.GJ3293@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <41EB03C6.9070709@truxtar.com> Steve Harvey wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:21:22AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > >>But my main point isn't really about who carries the classics. It is more about >>supporting the same points brought up elsewhere in this thread, that the level >>of variety has suffered immensely since any meaningful competition has really >>been smoked out, and the variety and intelligence level of the books has >>suffered greatly since then. > > > Compounding the problem of the independent computer booksellers with > the competition from Chapters was the whole dot-bomb, post-Y2K fiasco in > the computer industry. Before then, finding a remaindered O'Reilly was a > rare experience. Another specialty industry that was also savaged > at the time was IT recruitment. From the perspective of Heather Reisman, > this may have been a fortuitous development in more ways than one. This reminds me of an article about an MIT graduate who started a used book store and wrote a program to help him sell books online: -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 00:29:47 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:29:47 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41EB03C6.9070709-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41E9B382.12707.2CE1A6B@localhost> <20050116230618.GJ3293@shell.vex.net> <41EB03C6.9070709@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <41EB06FB.5010700@rogers.com> Anton Markov wrote: > This reminds me of an article about an MIT graduate who started a used > book store and wrote a program to help him sell books online: > > > Well, if anyone wants used books, they can try my cousin. http://www.merrickville.com/chamber/PAGES/merrickville_bookshop.htm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 00:40:47 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:40:47 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050115110226.B20871-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050114222053.GA3137@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E87B71.3050406@rogers.com> <20050115025157.GA4050@node1.opengeometry.net> <41E88792.3060906@rogers.com> <41E88FF0.4050704@istop.com> <41E906FE.8070104@rogers.com> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050117004047.A49404075@cbbrowne.com> > You can argue that the big bookstores (which were carrying many of the > same titles at that time) put them out of business, but even so, it's > evidently not hugely profitable. I'd suggest stepping back a little further. Don't just blame the "big bookstores;" the problem is also that the _publishers_ haven't been producing much Good Stuff for the last few years. Back in 2002, I watched Wrox Press _implode_ just as a book I had worked on should have started seeing royalties. The problem was that they got _way_ overambitious on pushing books on topics of dubious merit at a time when the IT industry was imploding, thereby chopping away at potential market. They wound up killing themselves by pushing way too many questionable titles through the inventory pipelines into the bookstores. I did some technical reviewing, and saw stuff I considered absolute crud. (I'm quite sure I was right, too. Amazon.com reviews were somewhat more polite than I was...) They may have been the worst offender, but looking at publisher catalogues, it has been rough for everyone. The one publisher I see doing really interesting stuff now is APress, who are assortedly publishing some of the Lisp stuff that O'Reilly decided they didn't want to have anything to do with, as well as things like the book on zsh and Bash (which is rather good). That "interesting stuff" isn't being stocked by Chapters, but I don't imagine it would have been by much of anyone else. These titles _are_ available mail order through any of the big names. I would not blame this all on Chapters; the diversity of titles has fallen both at the publisher's level and at retailers at large. In the US, there's still competition what with Barnes & Noble and Borders, and in a recent visit, I verified that the computer section at Borders which was traditionally pretty good has fallen way down. Still ahead of B&N, but way poorer than in say 1998. Online selling provides an outlet for "obscure titles" that it doesn't make sense for the likes of Chapters, B&N, and Borders to push through their stocking processes. For instance, with that zsh book, if 25 crates with 50 copies each sit in a warehouse in Illinois, to be "fulfilled" by Amazon, they only need _one_ inventory entry to handle returns if less than 1250 are sold, whereas if they sent 3 copies to each of 400 stores, there's WAY more paperwork and shipping to be done because it's almost certain that 3 won't be the right number at most locations. -- "cbbrowne","@","gmail.com" http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/publications.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #209. "I will not, under any circumstances, marry a woman I know to be a faithless, conniving, back-stabbing witch simply because I am absolutely desperate to perpetuate my family line. Of course, we can still date." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 02:39:37 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:39:37 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050117004047.A49404075-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> Much of what you say is rather interesting and worthwhile. Still, when large businesses are allowed to compete laissez-faire against smaller businesses, not only do smaller businesses lose, but the consumer loses as well. Really, even the larger businesses can be said to lose if you consider that their own quality of service suffers without competition. We all would like to say that competition between businesses is in all our interests and should be maintained, but this rule doesn't seem to apply to bookstores. But I agree that we should also consider the dotcom implosion of 2000. That influenced everything, and was probably another factor in Canada Computer Books going out of business. Is there a chance that you will be able to re-sell you book to another publisher? Paul On 16 Jan 2005 at 19:40, Christopher Browne wrote: > > You can argue that the big bookstores (which were carrying many of the > > same titles at that time) put them out of business, but even so, it's > > evidently not hugely profitable. > > I'd suggest stepping back a little further. > > Don't just blame the "big bookstores;" the problem is also that the > _publishers_ haven't been producing much Good Stuff for the last few > years. > > Back in 2002, I watched Wrox Press _implode_ just as a book I had worked > on should have started seeing royalties. The problem was that they got > _way_ overambitious on pushing books on topics of dubious merit at a > time when the IT industry was imploding, thereby chopping away at > potential market. > > They wound up killing themselves by pushing way too many questionable > titles through the inventory pipelines into the bookstores. I did some > technical reviewing, and saw stuff I considered absolute crud. (I'm > quite sure I was right, too. Amazon.com reviews were somewhat more > polite than I was...) > > They may have been the worst offender, but looking at publisher > catalogues, it has been rough for everyone. > > The one publisher I see doing really interesting stuff now is APress, > who are assortedly publishing some of the Lisp stuff that O'Reilly > decided they didn't want to have anything to do with, as well as things > like the book on zsh and Bash (which is rather good). That "interesting > stuff" isn't being stocked by Chapters, but I don't imagine it would > have been by much of anyone else. These titles _are_ available mail > order through any of the big names. > > I would not blame this all on Chapters; the diversity of titles has > fallen both at the publisher's level and at retailers at large. In the > US, there's still competition what with Barnes & Noble and Borders, and > in a recent visit, I verified that the computer section at Borders which > was traditionally pretty good has fallen way down. Still ahead of B&N, > but way poorer than in say 1998. > > Online selling provides an outlet for "obscure titles" that it doesn't > make sense for the likes of Chapters, B&N, and Borders to push through > their stocking processes. > > For instance, with that zsh book, if 25 crates with 50 copies each sit > in a warehouse in Illinois, to be "fulfilled" by Amazon, they only need > _one_ inventory entry to handle returns if less than 1250 are sold, > whereas if they sent 3 copies to each of 400 stores, there's WAY more > paperwork and shipping to be done because it's almost certain that 3 > won't be the right number at most locations. > -- > "cbbrowne","@","gmail.com" > http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/publications.html > Rules of the Evil Overlord #209. "I will not, under any circumstances, > marry a woman I know to be a faithless, conniving, back-stabbing witch > simply because I am absolutely desperate to perpetuate my family > line. Of course, we can still date." > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.973 (20050116) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 05:23:30 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:23:30 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> References: <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> Message-ID: <20050117052330.174174075@cbbrowne.com> > Much of what you say is rather interesting and worthwhile. > Still, when large businesses are allowed to compete laissez-faire > against smaller businesses, not only do smaller businesses lose, but > the consumer loses as well. Really, even the larger businesses can be > said to lose if you consider that their own quality of service suffers > without competition. We all would like to say that competition between > businesses is in all our interests and should be maintained, but this > rule doesn't seem to apply to bookstores. Rules "never seem to apply" when people don't want them to. Large businesses have a Big Problem when they compete with smaller business, namely that smaller businesses can make decisions in a WAY more agile fashion. Big businesses have hide-bound hierarchy that make it particularly difficult to make technically-based decisions. Instead of saying "Here's some new condition that changes how we should do things. OK, no problem, policy changed!" The big business has to get approvals coming from the top, and it can take weeks to get them past the lawyers. There are cases where large businesses can get compelling economies of scale that overcome this lack of agility, and that may be the case for bookstores. But it's important not to forget that business cycles take place for many reasons, not just one. If, as seems to be the direction, Chapters turns increasingly into a gift store, which, I should point out, would provide _greatly_ larger markups to the store than they get on books, that will leave an opening for some other player to enter the market. Amazon.ca is kind of such a player. > But I agree that we should also consider the dotcom implosion of > 2000. That influenced everything, and was probably another factor in > Canada Computer Books going out of business. I suspect that we'll see the book industry change further, likely towards more "mail order" activity. That is liable to go hand in hand with a "dumbing down" the retail store market. You can already see it somewhat with Cole's locations where they have about 2 shelves per topic that hold the present set of "bestsellers" and little else. There's a US chain that I have seen in airports which is little more than a kiosk where, the "fiction section" is a set of about 25 "bestsellers," the nonfiction section consists of the "hot" business books of the month Were I seeing it now, one of the stacks would doubtless consist of the ~4 quasi-popular titles surrounding _The Da Vinci Code_. There would be something by Tom Clancy, something by Robert Ludlum (or perhaps a Robert Ludlum(tm) book written by anonymous ghostwriters), an Anne Rice vampire book, The Life of Pi, and about 20 others, because they can get 80% of the sales of a "real" bookstore out of just selling those ones. This is not a particularly positive sign for the publishing of important works. Importance is not the same as popularity. > Is there a chance that you will be able to re-sell you book to another > publisher? Wiley bought the rights to many of the copyrights including my work; they sent out an inquiry a few months back trying to figure out interest in a reissuance. I kind of suspect it won't happen, as the SOAP protocol (what the book was about) turned out to be about as much of a flash in the pan as I expected... -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "gmail.com") http://cbbrowne.com/info/postgresql.html I was just wondering if the Chinese are busy trying to deal with the "Year Of The Dragon" bug. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 15:49:24 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:49:24 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115145243.B23468-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You would also be well advised to grab one of those little Netgear or Linksys boxes while you're at it. Removes the annoyance of configuring PPPoE and gives you a layer of security that you don't have to really think about. If you get a Linksys, which is Linux based, then you'll have the option of downloading and installing an alternative ROM. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A Peter Hiscocks wrote: | Anton - | | Yeah, I'm beginning to think that an ethernet-based modem is a better bet. | They have much better support from Linux, and they're not that expensive. | I'll see what the ISP says. | | Thanks for the suggestions. | | Peter | | On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: | |>>different ISP, maybe. |> |>It's worth a try, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Even ISPs |>who officially support Linux only support it with true Ethernet modems |>(as far as I've seen). |> |>IMHO Ethernet DSL modems have several advantages. They have a true |>ethernet card built in, which means they "just work" with most operating |>systems (Windows, Linux, Mac/OSX). All you need to use them under Linux |>are the drivers for your ethernet card (much more common than for USB |>modems) and a dialer package for PPP over ethernet (PPPoE). Furthermore, |>the ethernet modems use a dedicated processing chip, reducing the CPU |>load. They also work better with third-party routers, WiFi stations, |>etc., because few of those have a USB port. |> |>I guess what I am saying is that unless your your ISP has a technical |>reason for using a USB modem (i.e. they use some non-standard protocol), |>you should save yourself the trouble and buy an ethernet modem. |> |> |>>Peter |>> |>>On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500, Michael Hong wrote: |>> |>> |>>>>Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP |>>>>(Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon |>>>>scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking through the |>>>>manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says |>>>>how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. |>>>>In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in |>>>>general. |>>>> |>>>>Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I |>>>>thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel |>>>>is 2.6.8. |>>> |>>>Is this your modem? |>>>http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879&sub=882&sku=BB0069 |>>> |>>>If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux |>>>compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. |>>> |>>>I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: |>>> |>>>http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ |>>> |>>>Michael |> |>-- |>Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> |> |>GnuPG Key fingerprint = |>5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 |> |>*** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** | | | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB696Dgfzn5SevSpoRAg20AKCBwCLG3xKlYLHyGpiJQ97bdetvaACfYcax nGHpLOLoIzprVYHjOcvgFOo= =gmmC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 15:59:21 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:59:21 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <41EBDE84.2040806-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <1105977561.3260.8.camel@linux.site> I've setup Linksys boxes and a cable/adsl modems, works like a toaster once configured. Suse 9.1 and Xandros 2.0, WinX or whatever run on a local network using 182.168.1.1 as gateway(Linksys box) to the cable modem and 192.168.1.2 etc. for my other local net boxes. Connecting to the net is always effortless. Why complicate your life? Rick Tomaschuk http://www.TorontoNUI.ca Toronto Area Novell Users Group On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 10:49, Andrew Hammond wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You would also be well advised to grab one of those little Netgear or > Linksys boxes while you're at it. Removes the annoyance of configuring > PPPoE and gives you a layer of security that you don't have to really > think about. If you get a Linksys, which is Linux based, then you'll > have the option of downloading and installing an alternative ROM. > > - -- > Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org > Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. > CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A > > > Peter Hiscocks wrote: > | Anton - > | > | Yeah, I'm beginning to think that an ethernet-based modem is a better bet. > | They have much better support from Linux, and they're not that expensive. > | I'll see what the ISP says. > | > | Thanks for the suggestions. > | > | Peter > | > | On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 01:32:49PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > | > |>>different ISP, maybe. > |> > |>It's worth a try, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Even ISPs > |>who officially support Linux only support it with true Ethernet modems > |>(as far as I've seen). > |> > |>IMHO Ethernet DSL modems have several advantages. They have a true > |>ethernet card built in, which means they "just work" with most operating > |>systems (Windows, Linux, Mac/OSX). All you need to use them under Linux > |>are the drivers for your ethernet card (much more common than for USB > |>modems) and a dialer package for PPP over ethernet (PPPoE). Furthermore, > |>the ethernet modems use a dedicated processing chip, reducing the CPU > |>load. They also work better with third-party routers, WiFi stations, > |>etc., because few of those have a USB port. > |> > |>I guess what I am saying is that unless your your ISP has a technical > |>reason for using a USB modem (i.e. they use some non-standard protocol), > |>you should save yourself the trouble and buy an ethernet modem. > |> > |> > |>>Peter > |>> > |>>On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 02:15:40AM -0500, Michael Hong wrote: > |>> > |>> > |>>>>Suse did not recognize the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to > our ISP > |>>>>(Pathcom), and to the computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon > |>>>>scanner, however, which is also a USB device.) After looking > through the > |>>>>manuals and browsing the internet, I can't find anything that (a) says > |>>>>how to install a driver, if driver is needed and (b) what driver to > use. > |>>>>In fact, it looks as if USB ADSL modems are not all that common in > |>>>>general. > |>>>> > |>>>>Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I > |>>>>thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. > The Kernel > |>>>>is 2.6.8. > |>>> > |>>>Is this your modem? > |>>>http://www.gentek.com/products.cgi?cat=879?=882&sku=BB0069 > |>>> > |>>>If so, it may not be too promising because they seem to list linux > |>>>compatibility for some of their other modems but not that one. > |>>> > |>>>I found this as well... not sure if it will work though: > |>>> > |>>>http://freshmeat.net/projects/eciadsl/ > |>>> > |>>>Michael > |> > |>-- > |>Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > |> > |>GnuPG Key fingerprint = > |>5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > |> > |>*** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > | > | > | > | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFB696Dgfzn5SevSpoRAg20AKCBwCLG3xKlYLHyGpiJQ97bdetvaACfYcax > nGHpLOLoIzprVYHjOcvgFOo= > =gmmC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 16:13:09 2005 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:13:09 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft Message-ID: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> PegaSoft is an association of Linux developers in the west end of Toronto. We are part-LUG and part for-hire Linux consultants, holding open events to promote Linux as well as working on Linux contracts. PegaSoft has made an exclusive partnership with DMS Technologies for the development of Linux web applications for schools and school boards in Ontario. The first opportunity out of this relationship is the development of a web-based room booking system. We are looking for a proposal for the following: Duration: 1 year Salary : up to $125K Start Date: April 1, 2005 (no joke) Summary : Design, develop and test a web-based room book system that will tie into DMS Techologies' eBase 4 facility management software. This software will allow users to book rooms over the Internet, handle scheduling, cancellations, conflicts, track keys and security codes. (An RFP document will be made available at the next PegaSoft meeting covering the specifics.) Terms : Must know HTML, JavaScript, PostgreSQL, Apache setup PHP or Perl web development is an asset Willingness to work with PegaSoft's Business Shell techonology Applicants are expected to sign a PegaSoft Non-Disclosure Agreement and are subject to code review by the PegaSoft team for quality assurance. There will likely be future contracts after this one so we are looking for someone who is interested in a long-term relationship. Full details will be discussed at the PegaSoft dinner meeting on Thursday, January 20 (see http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html for meeting time and directions). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 16:19:44 2005 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:19:44 -0500 Subject: PegaSoft January Dinner Message-ID: <1105978784.8269.25.camel@linux.site> PegaSoft is an association of Linux developers in the west end of Toronto. We are part-LUG and part for-hire Linux consultants, holding open events to promote Linux as well as working on Linux contracts. Next Open Dinner: Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 7:00 pm Location: Orwell's Pub, near Islington subway stop Topic: Mel Wilson will be discussing Python and the Art Interface Project. Also, this is our annual Linux Year in Review meeting where we'll be discussing Linux in 2004. Attendance is open and free (like the GPL) but seating is limited. Contact Mel at mwilson-NNyQxND71bnhh5Ivz85gpFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org (remove the no-spam when emailing) no later than Wednesday, January 19 to reserve your spot. Information about dinner location is at http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html. Ken B. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 11:44:46 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:44:46 +0200 (IST) Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050117052330.174174075-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050117052330.174174075@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Christopher Browne wrote: > Large businesses have a Big Problem when they compete with smaller > business, namely that smaller businesses can make decisions in a WAY > more agile fashion. > > Big businesses have hide-bound hierarchy that make it particularly > difficult to make technically-based decisions. > > Instead of saying "Here's some new condition that changes how we should > do things. OK, no problem, policy changed!" > > The big business has to get approvals coming from the top, and it can > take weeks to get them past the lawyers. > > There are cases where large businesses can get compelling economies of > scale that overcome this lack of agility, and that may be the case for > bookstores. But it's important not to forget that business cycles take > place for many reasons, not just one. I think that the answer to both problems is a franchise-like network of small businesses under a brand name, which benefit from large pooled purchases of standard items but have enough leeway to handle local demand as required. I am not an expert on this, but it seems to be like that. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 13:06:29 2005 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:29 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050117052330.174174075-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050117052330.174174075@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2@mail.look.ca> Regarding Toronto Computer Books, and its parent company, Canada Computer Books: --- Canada Computer Books faced more problems than competition from !ndigo and Chapters. Their North York Computer Books store was on the second floor of the Sheppard Centre. The Sheppard Centre spent a long time doing massive renovation of the second floor. It hasn't accomplished anything noticeable, but made shopping on the second floor ridiculously difficult for many months, possibly a year. Faced with near-zero sales, but also a lease, and promises that things would eventually be back to normal, North York Computer Books stayed on for many months. They eventually moved out, to a location on the west side of Yonge Street, a few blocks north of the North York Civic Centre. The Sheppard Centre location was by a T.T.C. station, and at the intersection of 2 major T.T.C. routes. That new location was neither, as had been the Sheppard Centre location. There was very little traffic to that new location. There were significant numbers of people who were homeless, or on welfare in the neighbourhood. Bill Gates, with 40 billion $US, was well-publicized, and some of the poor were reminded of the super-rich billionares of the I.T. industry whenever they saw computer books, and considered the bookstore to cater to billionaires of his ilk. Occasionally, someone would attack the store, smashing the large plate-glass windows, and possibly stealing something inside. The glass windows could not prevent smash-ins by smash-and-grab specialists, or by envious, embittered poor people. Even large plate glass windows are expensive to replace, let alone the books inside which could be stolen. That location was also too much of a drain on Canada Computer Books, and it was closed. Both of the locations of North York Computer Books were significant cash drains on the company, and were a significant influence on the company's path toward going out of business. Competition from !ndigo and Chapters was important, but not the sole cause of their demise. Jim McIntosh --- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 18:57:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:57:36 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115004119.A17962-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050117185736.GH30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 12:41:19AM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I just installed Suse Linux Professional 9.2 on our domestic computer > system, formerly a Windows 98 system. I was very impressed with the ease of > installation - Suse partitioned the hard drive without any intervention, > detected most of the hardware, and most of it works just fine. And the main > thing, my wife is very favourably impressed with KDE and Open Office, so > she'll probably actually use it in prefence to the Windows stuff. > > However (you knew this was coming, didn't you? ;), Suse did not recognize > the GVC BB069 ADSL modem that connects to our ISP (Pathcom), and to the > computer via USB. (It did recognize the Canon scanner, however, which is > also a USB device.) After looking through the manuals and browsing the > internet, I can't find anything that (a) says how to install a driver, if > driver is needed and (b) what driver to use. In fact, it looks as if USB > ADSL modems are not all that common in general. > > Given that this may be a Toronto centric thing (USB GVC BB069 Modem), I > thought perhaps someone else in this group might have a solution. The Kernel > is 2.6.8. > > Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. USB ADSL modems are not common since they are really not particularly cheaper to make than ethernet, they require special drivers for windows usually (unless they implement usb ethernet interface, which they rarely do), while external ethernet models just connect and use standard software (while making the drivers the NIC vendor's problem). I personally wouldn't bother with a USB ADSL modem given $80 gets you a fully working ethernet model instead. Just not worth the long term hassle. I also suspect it takes more procesing power to run a usb port than it does to run ethernet at a given bitrate, although I could be wrong on that. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 19:02:01 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:02:01 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <1105977561.3260.8.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> <1105977561.3260.8.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <20050117190201.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > I've setup Linksys boxes and a cable/adsl modems, works like a toaster > once configured. Suse 9.1 and Xandros 2.0, WinX or whatever run on a > local network using 182.168.1.1 as gateway(Linksys box) to the cable > modem and 192.168.1.2 etc. for my other local net boxes. Connecting to > the net is always effortless. Why complicate your life? That's what I thought would be the case, but the stupid linksys crashes too often and needs to be power cycled. I am thinking of replacing it with the 486/66 again to get reliable connections for my parents again. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 19:03:48 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:03:48 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20050117190348.GJ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 11:37:37PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Adsl Speedtouch modems from Alcatel are supposed to work with usb. the > hotplug driver has support for them ? Not tried by myself. Still requries a driver to be compiled for your kernel and it's not a standard setup to use it either as far as I can tell. Some things just weren't meant to use usb. The only real reason any ADSL modem uses usb is so that ISP's can have you plug it in, load the drivers for windows, and get going without having to ever open the machine to install a NIC or other card. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 19:51:41 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:51:41 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <35416AA0-68C1-11D9-850D-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> On Jan 17, 2005, at 1:06 PM, James McIntosh wrote: > There was very little traffic to that new location. And even less promotion, service, or inventory once you got there. I lived and worked walking distance from both locations and it always seemed like the only thing they had in common was the name. > There were significant numbers of people who were homeless, or on > welfare > in the neighbourhood. > > Bill Gates, with 40 billion $US, was well-publicized, and some of the > poor > were reminded of the super-rich billionares of the I.T. industry > whenever > they saw computer books, and considered the bookstore to cater to > billionaires of his ilk. > > Occasionally, someone would attack the store, smashing the large > plate-glass windows, and possibly stealing something inside. Having lived in the area for over 15 years, that surprises me. They don't seem to go after the computer stores, restaurants, and street-level shops that litter the area. (I'm basing that on the very few caged windows on the North York section of Yonge St. compared to other areas.) Street people and panhandlers are still rare enough between Sheppard and Finch to be a novelty. If the store was really a target of "social unrest" in the heart of Willowdale, it wouldn't have made it 5 minutes most other places in what's currently Metro. (Yes, I know there is one family services place nearby, but it's hardly a neighborhood blight.) I suspect a likelier explanation is that there just weren't that many people in the area ready to pay $80 for one more instruction book on how to use a pirated copy of Photoshop. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 17 23:09:48 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:09:48 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050117190201.GI30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> <1105977561.3260.8.camel@linux.site> <20050117190201.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41EC45BC.5050404@truxtar.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > >>I've setup Linksys boxes and a cable/adsl modems, works like a toaster >>once configured. Suse 9.1 and Xandros 2.0, WinX or whatever run on a >>local network using 182.168.1.1 as gateway(Linksys box) to the cable >>modem and 192.168.1.2 etc. for my other local net boxes. Connecting to >>the net is always effortless. Why complicate your life? > > > That's what I thought would be the case, but the stupid linksys crashes > too often and needs to be power cycled. I am thinking of replacing it > with the 486/66 again to get reliable connections for my parents again. I've unfortunately had the same experience, although I still consider it less of a hassle than setting up PPPoE. I think once I find the time to load an alternate ROM on it, it'll be more stable (or at least I'll get to find out what the problem is). Actually, you can get the full kernel logs from the router using the 'snmp' protocol and programs like 'snmpd' with 'snmptrapfmt'. That way you can find out what's wrong. Maybe you could try updating your firmware, I think it helped me a little. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 03:11:38 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:11:38 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050117190201.GI30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> <1105977561.3260.8.camel@linux.site> <20050117190201.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1106017897.5527.14.camel@linux.site> Sorry to hear that. I've been using a BEFSR11 for a few years with updated firmware...no problem. When mine needs to be power cycled on/off its usually because the ISP has issues. Linksys is used in alot of companies with good results. Maybe your unit is defective or some of the newer ones have bugs or MS code ;) Rick Tomaschuk http://www.TorontoNUI.ca Toronto Area Novell Users Group On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 14:02, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:59:21AM -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > I've setup Linksys boxes and a cable/adsl modems, works like a toaster > > once configured. Suse 9.1 and Xandros 2.0, WinX or whatever run on a > > local network using 182.168.1.1 as gateway(Linksys box) to the cable > > modem and 192.168.1.2 etc. for my other local net boxes. Connecting to > > the net is always effortless. Why complicate your life? > > That's what I thought would be the case, but the stupid linksys crashes > too often and needs to be power cycled. I am thinking of replacing it > with the 486/66 again to get reliable connections for my parents again. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 03:45:20 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:45:20 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <35416AA0-68C1-11D9-850D-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2@mail.look.ca> <35416AA0-68C1-11D9-850D-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <20050118034520.A78A744C7@cbbrowne.com> > I suspect a likelier explanation is that there just weren't that many > people in the area ready to pay $80 for one more instruction book on > how to use a pirated copy of Photoshop. That's a pretty significant set of additional pieces of the puzzle. 1. Yes, indeed, the "computer book industry" has gotten increasingly associated with "piracy." (Leaving aside that piracy is, in FACT, a crime that continues to be as worthy of summary execution as any, in view of the fact that it tends to include rape, robbery, and murder, all three...) That is a factor that leaves people unwilling to pay premium prices for books. One rip-off deserves another... 2. In order to be able to stock books that, though they may be wonderful, will NOT fly off the shelves instantly, stores stocking "specialty" books need to charge premium prices. That means charging $80 or more for a good book. That's going to scare off the price-sensitive. And with the Internet as a cataloging and central sales system, that means it's a way for someone to centralize stock, and seriously beat those premium prices. I suppose that means that someone running a good technical bookstore might be able to scale it up to sell to all of Canada and compete with Amazon.ca/Chapters.ca. Probably will be tough for whomever jumps in first... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lisp.html Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates? A. When Batman fought the Penguin, he won. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 04:05:13 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:05:13 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050118034520.A78A744C7-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2@mail.look.ca> <35416AA0-68C1-11D9-850D-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <20050118034520.A78A744C7@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <1106021112.5593.12.camel@linux.site> I've got a copy of 'Mastering Netware 5' which I paid a hundred bucks for. Now I can use it for a boat anchor (its big and heavy enough)since it was out of date a year after I bought it. I have a lot of other hot computer books of equal value. I have a fireplace too...hmm Why buy books when so much is available on the net? Most of what is turned into commercial software was once freely available somewhere. Do you think those developers are really that smart? Look at computer stores sections for books. They can't give the crap away. How about $600.00+ for certification "kits" which consist of...what else...a book that will be soon out of date...I like UofT bookstore. Have'nt been to WBBS for a few years. Just my .02 RickT On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 22:45, Christopher Browne wrote: > > I suspect a likelier explanation is that there just weren't that many > > people in the area ready to pay $80 for one more instruction book on > > how to use a pirated copy of Photoshop. > > That's a pretty significant set of additional pieces of the puzzle. > > 1. Yes, indeed, the "computer book industry" has gotten increasingly > associated with "piracy." > > (Leaving aside that piracy is, in FACT, a crime that continues to > be as worthy of summary execution as any, in view of the fact that > it tends to include rape, robbery, and murder, all three...) > > That is a factor that leaves people unwilling to pay premium prices > for books. One rip-off deserves another... > > 2. In order to be able to stock books that, though they may be > wonderful, will NOT fly off the shelves instantly, stores stocking > "specialty" books need to charge premium prices. > > That means charging $80 or more for a good book. That's going to > scare off the price-sensitive. > > And with the Internet as a cataloging and central sales system, that > means it's a way for someone to centralize stock, and seriously beat > those premium prices. > > I suppose that means that someone running a good technical bookstore > might be able to scale it up to sell to all of Canada and compete with > Amazon.ca/Chapters.ca. Probably will be tough for whomever jumps in > first... > -- > let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; > http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lisp.html > Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates? > A. When Batman fought the Penguin, he won. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 04:42:36 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:42:36 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <1106021112.5593.12.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <20050115110226.B20871@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EADF19.26085.7605EFA@localhost> <3.0.6.16.20050117130629.571fdaa2@mail.look.ca> <35416AA0-68C1-11D9-850D-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <20050118034520.A78A744C7@cbbrowne.com> <1106021112.5593.12.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <20050118044236.2B20344C7@cbbrowne.com> > I've got a copy of 'Mastering Netware 5' which I paid a hundred bucks > for. Now I can use it for a boat anchor (its big and heavy enough)since > it was out of date a year after I bought it. I have a lot of other hot > computer books of equal value. I have a fireplace too...hmm Well, yes, _Mastering Netware 5_ is the sort of book that will necessarily be worthless shortly after it is issued. > Why buy books when so much is available on the net? Most of what is > turned into commercial software was once freely available > somewhere. Do you think those developers are really that smart? Look > at computer stores sections for books. They can't give the crap > away. How about $600.00+ for certification "kits" which consist > of...what else...a book that will be soon out of date...I like UofT > bookstore. Have'nt been to WBBS for a few years. Certifications, too, have a considerable degree of "design-in obsolescence." They are indeed "worthless rubbish" in comparison with much-more-nearly-timeless works such as K&R, Harbison and Steele, The Art of Computer Programming, the Dragon Book (by Aho, Sethi, and Ullman), and such like. I could use a copy of the Dragon book, and would be happy enough with whatever edition was "current" ten years ago. -- "cbbrowne","@","gmail.com" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/wp.html I have this nagging fear that everyone is out to make me paranoid. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 04:50:02 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:50:02 -0500 Subject: sed script question Message-ID: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> I'm trying to write a script and in it one of the things I want to do is get rid of [ characters. When I try using sed as in: sed s/"["/" "/g I get an error message saying it is an unterminated s command. I have a feeling this is because [ is a special character. I thought however putting quotes around it would take care of this. Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 05:11:15 2005 From: david-FkEgs2FKm2NvBvnq28/GKQ at public.gmane.org (David Thornton) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:11:15 -0500 Subject: sed script question In-Reply-To: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> References: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> Message-ID: <41EC9A73.1040603@quadratic.net> try this: sed "s/\[/ /g" Enclose the whole thing in quotes and use \ as you escape of any special meaninf of [. Single ticks also work in this case. sed 's/\[/ /g' Cool jim ruxton wrote: >I'm trying to write a script and in it one of the things I want to do is >get rid of [ characters. When I try using sed as in: >sed s/"["/" "/g >I get an error message saying it is an unterminated s command. I have a >feeling this is because [ is a special character. I thought however >putting quotes around it would take care of this. Any thoughts on what >I'm doing wrong? Thanks. >Jim > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 05:12:52 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:12:52 -0500 Subject: sed script question In-Reply-To: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> References: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> Message-ID: <20050118051252.GA18678@rathbone.ath.cx> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:50:02PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm trying to write a script and in it one of the things I want to do is > get rid of [ characters. When I try using sed as in: > sed s/"["/" "/g Try using backslash (\) as an escape character, followed by the character you want to be replaced. Also, you don't need to use all those quotation marks to mean "nothing." Try it like this: sed s/\[//g > I get an error message saying it is an unterminated s command. I have a > feeling this is because [ is a special character. I thought however > putting quotes around it would take care of this. Any thoughts on what > I'm doing wrong? Thanks. -- Q: What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer in the road? A: There are skid marks in front of the dog. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 05:21:17 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:21:17 -0500 Subject: sed script question In-Reply-To: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> References: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> Message-ID: <200501180021.17356.john@perlwolf.com> On Monday 17 January 2005 23:50, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm trying to write a script and in it one of the things I want to do is > get rid of [ characters. When I try using sed as in: > sed s/"["/" "/g > I get an error message saying it is an unterminated s command. I have a > feeling this is because [ is a special character. I thought however > putting quotes around it would take care of this. Any thoughts on what > I'm doing wrong? Thanks. > Jim The way you wrote the command, the quotes were treated as special by the shell. So, when sed actually saw its argument, it was s/[/ /g. As you thought, [ is a special character. It begins a character class, which includes everything up until the matching ] as characters, any one of which can be matched at that point - since you had no ] you got the complaint. To make [ be a normal character, you backwhack it. So, what you want to have sed see is: s/\[/ /g However, the [, blank, and backslash are also magical to the shell so you need to use appropriate protection there too, by quoting (as you originally thought). So: sed 's/\[/ /g' is what you want. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 05:54:52 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:54:52 -0500 Subject: sed script question In-Reply-To: <200501180021.17356.john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <1106023802.3985.47.camel@shuttle> <200501180021.17356.john@perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <1106027691.3982.74.camel@shuttle> Thanks guys for the quick response. Yes now it is working. I was curious as to why I needed the single quotes John till you explained it. Thanks again. Jim > On Monday 17 January 2005 23:50, jim ruxton wrote: > > I'm trying to write a script and in it one of the things I want to do is > > get rid of [ characters. When I try using sed as in: > > sed s/"["/" "/g > > I get an error message saying it is an unterminated s command. I have a > > feeling this is because [ is a special character. I thought however > > putting quotes around it would take care of this. Any thoughts on what > > I'm doing wrong? Thanks. > > Jim > > The way you wrote the command, the quotes were treated as special > by the shell. So, when sed actually saw its argument, it was s/[/ /g. > > As you thought, [ is a special character. It begins a character class, > which includes everything up until the matching ] as characters, any > one of which can be matched at that point - since you had no ] you > got the complaint. To make [ be a normal character, you backwhack > it. So, what you want to have sed see is: s/\[/ /g > However, the [, blank, and backslash are also magical to the shell so > you need to use appropriate protection there too, by quoting (as you > originally thought). So: sed 's/\[/ /g' is what you want. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 06:16:58 2005 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:16:58 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <200501151622.23833.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501151622.23833.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <20050118061658.GA6404@smeagol> Based on the past experience of the GTA Blogging community I can recommend this site: http://archambault.ca/store/default.asp? (click to switch to English). According to reports they are MUCH better than the Chapters/Indigo on-line "store" and are Canadian to boot. I've never had any luck with the Indigo web team delivering the product I ordered within a reasonable time frame (even when I worked at an Indigo store)... emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin Mobile : 416 417 2868 Web : www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 06:55:27 2005 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:55:27 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 Cache Message-ID: <20050118065527.GA21213@rathbone.ath.cx> Hi guys. I've had a bit of a problem for quite a while, but it has only become very annoying as of late. I have a problem with my memory, and I'm 99% sure it's my L2 cache. It all started when I upgraded my motherboard last year. I was on a bit of a budget, so I opted for a rather cheap board (I can't even think of the brand off hand...) with an AMD K7 2.2 GHz processor (again not sure exactly what its "brand" name is.. but those are its tech specs). I also upgraded my RAM from 128 to 512, which is already beginning to show its age ;-) Anyway, here's the dealio. I noticed that after I left my computer running for a while, compiling kernels and the like, my compilations would suddenly stop with a SIGSEGV, an internal compiler error. At first it wasn't a big deal; I just had to start from where I left off. But still, I decided to run memtest86. I'm a fairly patient person; but after it had been running for over 2 days without reporting a single error, I had to stop it. There's work to do, y'know. But now, a year later, I run into problems that reach as far as the user level. If I leave my computer on for about 24 hours or so, programs start randomly crashing (and I'm talking EVERYTHING, from VIM to Mozilla to irssi). Reluctant to try memtest86 again, I found a very helpful page about deducing memory problems, and finding out where they lie. I think I narrowed it down to the L2 cache -- it's a 256-meg btw -- I disabled the L2 cache, and while the system was slow as hell, I didn't get any internal compiler errors, and everything was otherwise fine. I used to have Windows XP a while ago, but since I upgraded my hard drive (previous thread on here somewhere...) I haven't gotten around to re-installing it. But when it was there, it seemed to run without problems. But that's not exactly a fair comparison, as I never compile anything on Windows, and don't really use it all that often, just for my family. So my question is... what do I do to fix this? Does the part have to be replaced? And why would it not cause any problems whatsoever on Windows, what sets it apart in that respect? Sorry for the long-winded post, but I hope someone here can help ;-) -- Q: What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead lawyer in the road? A: There are skid marks in front of the dog. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 11:13:36 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:13:36 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <20050118061658.GA6404@smeagol> References: <200501151622.23833.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <41ECA910.31770.E5D4CEB@localhost> Unless I am doing something wrong, I only see books under "Our Suggestions", which number as only 18 titles (the books cycle through 6 at a time, and cycle back after 3 clicks). Some of the titles I recognise as being sold more cheaply at PC Maniak. 3 of the 12 are on Photoshop 7 (the $80.00 kind we were warned about earlier in the thread), and one is on Flash 5, a version of Flash which is now at least 2 versions old (current is Flash MX 2004). Even this book is selling for about $75.00. Better than Chapters in what sense? Service? I know that Chapters/Indigo has more titles than this. Paul On 18 Jan 2005 at 1:16, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Based on the past experience of the GTA Blogging community I can recommend > this site: > http://archambault.ca/store/default.asp? > (click to switch to English). According to reports they are MUCH better than the > Chapters/Indigo on-line "store" and are Canadian to boot. I've never had any > luck with the Indigo web team delivering the product I ordered within a > reasonable time frame (even when I worked at an Indigo store)... > > emma > > -- > Emma Jane Hogbin > Mobile : 416 417 2868 > Web : www.xtrinsic.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.974 (20050117) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 13:55:44 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 18 Jan 2005 08:55:44 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft In-Reply-To: <1105978389.8269.17.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: "Ken O. Burtch" writes: > (An RFP document will be made available at the next > PegaSoft meeting covering the specifics.) kudos on the gig. BTW, are you asking got a proposal for the job or for the application? TTYL, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 14:50:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:50:19 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <41EC45BC.5050404-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050115004119.A17962@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050115071540.GH1588@bach.mushy.xyz> <20050115131435.C22711@ee.ryerson.ca> <41E961D1.20808@truxtar.com> <20050115145243.B23468@ee.ryerson.ca> <41EBDE84.2040806@ca.afilias.info> <1105977561.3260.8.camel@linux.site> <20050117190201.GI30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EC45BC.5050404@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20050118145019.GK30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 06:09:48PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > I've unfortunately had the same experience, although I still consider it > less of a hassle than setting up PPPoE. I think once I find the time to > load an alternate ROM on it, it'll be more stable (or at least I'll get > to find out what the problem is). Actually, you can get the full kernel > logs from the router using the 'snmp' protocol and programs like 'snmpd' > with 'snmptrapfmt'. That way you can find out what's wrong. > > Maybe you could try updating your firmware, I think it helped me a little. Well I have updated the firmware many times and it doesn't really seem to make any difference at all. And there doesn't appear to be alternative firmware for a BEFSR41. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 14:53:50 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:53:50 -0500 Subject: defective L2 cache Message-ID: <1106060031.5534.14.camel@localhost> > Reluctant to try memtest86 again, I found a very helpful page about > deducing memory problems, and finding out where they lie. I think I > narrowed it down to the L2 cache -- it's a 256-meg btw -- I disabled the > L2 cache, and while the system was slow as hell, I didn't get any > internal compiler errors, and everything was otherwise fine. Well since the L2 cache is on the CPU, I'd buy another one while you can still get them. At the same time I'd also purchase a really good heatsink / fan combination. The units that AMD ships with their boxed processors are inadequate to the task IMHO.Overheating is probably why the L2 cache failed in the first place. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 14:58:07 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:58:07 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 Cache In-Reply-To: <20050118065527.GA21213-9atf/A9S5F4Ir3X11T2esw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050118065527.GA21213@rathbone.ath.cx> Message-ID: <20050118145807.GL30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:55:27AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > Hi guys. I've had a bit of a problem for quite a while, but it has only > become very annoying as of late. > > I have a problem with my memory, and I'm 99% sure it's my L2 cache. It > all started when I upgraded my motherboard last year. I was on a bit of > a budget, so I opted for a rather cheap board (I can't even think of the > brand off hand...) with an AMD K7 2.2 GHz processor (again not sure > exactly what its "brand" name is.. but those are its tech specs). I > also upgraded my RAM from 128 to 512, which is already beginning to show > its age ;-) > > Anyway, here's the dealio. I noticed that after I left my computer > running for a while, compiling kernels and the like, my compilations > would suddenly stop with a SIGSEGV, an internal compiler error. At > first it wasn't a big deal; I just had to start from where I left off. > > But still, I decided to run memtest86. I'm a fairly patient person; but > after it had been running for over 2 days without reporting a single > error, I had to stop it. There's work to do, y'know. > > But now, a year later, I run into problems that reach as far as the user > level. If I leave my computer on for about 24 hours or so, programs > start randomly crashing (and I'm talking EVERYTHING, from VIM to Mozilla > to irssi). > > Reluctant to try memtest86 again, I found a very helpful page about > deducing memory problems, and finding out where they lie. I think I > narrowed it down to the L2 cache -- it's a 256-meg btw -- I disabled the > L2 cache, and while the system was slow as hell, I didn't get any > internal compiler errors, and everything was otherwise fine. > > I used to have Windows XP a while ago, but since I upgraded my hard > drive (previous thread on here somewhere...) I haven't gotten around to > re-installing it. But when it was there, it seemed to run without > problems. But that's not exactly a fair comparison, as I never compile > anything on Windows, and don't really use it all that often, just for my > family. > > So my question is... what do I do to fix this? Does the part have to be > replaced? And why would it not cause any problems whatsoever on > Windows, what sets it apart in that respect? > > Sorry for the long-winded post, but I hope someone here can help ;-) Well a few potential causes: The L2 cache might be defective, in which case you either run with L2 off, or you replace the CPU (since that is where the L2 cache is). Maybe your power supply is garbage (quite likely if you bought a cheap no name power supply, which I would suspect if your motherboard is of unknown origin too). I have seen a K6 450 in the past that a friend had which would crash regularly and corrupt the filesystem (it was mostly running win98 at the time). Eventually my friend happened to look at the power supply monitor in the bios (asus boards have had that for years) and noticed the 3.3V line was showing 2.9V. He went and got a quality name brand power supply, and amazingly the system stopped crashing, the filesystem didn't corrupt anymore, and it just ran. Even win98 stopped crashing (except when running badly written games, but what can you do about that). Quality matters. You usually don't get what you don't pay for (too bad you get what you pay for isn't always true). A crappy motherboard (it contains the voltage regulators) or power supply can make any cpu misbehave even if the cpu is ok. I have seen cpus fail too though so it isn't imposible that the cpu is bad. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 15:13:53 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:13:53 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives Message-ID: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> Hey folks, Thought I'd share a very succinct how-to that I saw posted on the Libranet forum yesterday. Many people (of the non-tweak-monkey variety) may find that DMA isn't enabled when their Linux system accesses their hard drive(s). The poster has listed the steps to enabling it (and thus increasing the Mb/sec of the drive). If not enabled, the difference in performance could be substantial. Link: http://forum.libranet.com/viewtopic.php?t=5489 I'm sure there are many here who have either enabled this manually themselves, or who may have systems that have recognized and pre-configured DMA. However, for those of us who haven't considered checking, it's not a bad thing to try. Note that Libranet is a Debian distro; replace apt-get with whatever automagic package management you may have if using a different Linux. Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com ?Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education? Free medical care? Free whatever? It comes from Moscow. From Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell.? - Texas state Rep. Debbie Riddle -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 16:53:36 2005 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:53:36 -0500 Subject: Computer books In-Reply-To: <41ECA910.31770.E5D4CEB@localhost> References: <200501151622.23833.marc@lijour.net> <41ECA910.31770.E5D4CEB@localhost> Message-ID: <20050118165336.GA3931@smeagol> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 06:13:36AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Better than Chapters in what sense? Service? I know that Chapters/Indigo has > more titles than this. Better in terms of service. Just because Chapters/Indigo lists more titles on their web site it does not mean they have them in stock. At the bottom of the page on the Archambault site I found a link to what looks like their computer books counter part (also out of Montreal). It's www.camelot.ca. Do your searches by ISBN though, not by title. NOTE: Free shipping in Canada and most of the books that I wanted to buy were 20% off. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin Mobile : 416 417 2868 Web : www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 17:12:17 2005 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft In-Reply-To: References: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <1106068337.4195.15.camel@linux.site> On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 08:55, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > "Ken O. Burtch" writes: > > (An RFP document will be made available at the next > > PegaSoft meeting covering the specifics.) > > kudos on the gig. Thanks, Matt. Nice to see things moving in a positive direction. > BTW, are you asking got a proposal for the job or for the > application? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I've visited the client, scoped out the project and prepared a 12 page RFP. We'll present the RFP on Thursday and see who is interested. They can submit proposals for the project--in part, an exercise to make sure that they understand the project. If we get multiple proposals, we'll sort through them and choose one. They will be working as part of the PegaSoft team for the duration of the project. We cannot commit to full-time employment until we see how this first project pans out. The important thing is not to let this new opportunity to get away. I am anticipating additional contracts later this year and this is an opportunity for people to decide if they want to work with PegaSoft and its semi-LUG ideology. Hopefully we will be able to use this opportunity to raise Linux awareness in schools throughout Ontario. I'd love to have the opportunity to start installing Linux in the classroom, especially after the Ontario government announced last fall that they were installing StarOffice in schools. Good things are happening. KB -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 18:22:52 2005 From: denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Denis Mironenko) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:22:52 +0000 Subject: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 In-Reply-To: <200501132234.51081.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200501132234.51081.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to install Dell OpenManage on PowerEdge 2800 server running Fedore Core 3. But I get an error saying that "Server Administrator is not supported by currently running kernel" I looked through documentation provided for OpenManage but wasn't able to find anything. Can anybody give me a link to documentation that explains how to install OpenManage on Fedora? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 18:32:53 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:32:53 -0500 Subject: this should be simple Message-ID: <20050118184119.1FB111EC585@outbox.allstream.net> Suppose I want to write a very simple Linux C program to detect that the user has pressed CTRL (or ALT) and PGUP. How do I do this? I remember back to my QNX days that there were term functions which could detect this but for the life of me I can't find the Linux equivalent. Thanks. bob PS. I actually want to do this under ncurses ... but for now I can't even do it on a text console with straight forward calls to getchar(). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 18:48:34 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:48:34 -0500 Subject: Openclinic - problem with PHP In-Reply-To: <41E821B7.3090001-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> <41E821B7.3090001@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200501181348.34391.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Friday 14 January 2005 14:47, Nezumikozo wrote: > > There is a "install php script" that should be able to be executed (?) > from this page (see item #9 at > http://openclinic.sourceforge.net/openclinic/install.html#install). > Instead of the script executing, it seems to only want to download (on > server or remotely). I am sure I am missing something simple, but > since this is my first Apache/MySQL/PHP project, I am hoping I can get > some help with what that something is. Yes, it sounds like your Apache config hasn't had the AddType etc. done correctly for PHP. Eg: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php and also: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so should be in /etc/apache/modules.conf This is all depending on your apache version etc. but this is what it looks like on my Debian systems. Rgds, David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 18:50:46 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:50:46 -0500 Subject: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 Message-ID: OpenManager doesn't work with our Windows 2003 Server 64-bit either. In the OpenManager doc, it says it only support some versions of Red Hat 7.x server. That doesn't include FC3. -----Original Message----- From: Denis Mironenko [mailto:denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 18, 2005 1:23 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 Hi, I am trying to install Dell OpenManage on PowerEdge 2800 server running Fedore Core 3. But I get an error saying that "Server Administrator is not supported by currently running kernel" I looked through documentation provided for OpenManage but wasn't able to find anything. Can anybody give me a link to documentation that explains how to install OpenManage on Fedora? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41ed5478112842020213523! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 19:15:47 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:15:47 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:58:35 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > That's why I use Firefox. iFrames work like a charm there... > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:42:51 -0500, Devin Whalen > > > > Thanks for your reply Aaron. It seems I am going to have to find a > > workaround for Safari because you are correct, they don't support > > iframes. I could try to convince the client to use IE on the mac but > > then I would have to deal with all the things that the mac IE doesn't > > support ;). Yes, as I've said before, do NOT use IE on Mac. There are no security patches for it, and it's already a year and half old (and only getting older). I still find Safari snappier than Firefox, and it certainly looks better (there are no truly excellent themes for Firefox on OSX that I've seen). But Firefox works quite well enough. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 19:32:31 2005 From: denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Denis Mironenko) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:32:31 +0000 Subject: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this page http://d5.speedyard.net/_mt/archives/2004_01.php One of entries on the page claims that it is possible to install OpenManage on Fedora. > >OpenManager doesn't work with our Windows 2003 Server 64-bit either. In the >OpenManager doc, it says it only support some versions of Red Hat 7.x >server. That doesn't include FC3. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Denis Mironenko [mailto:denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] >Sent: January 18, 2005 1:23 PM >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: [TLUG]: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 > > >Hi, >I am trying to install Dell OpenManage on PowerEdge 2800 server running >Fedore Core 3. But I get an error saying that "Server Administrator is not >supported by currently running kernel" I looked through documentation >provided for OpenManage but wasn't able to find anything. Can anybody give >me a link to documentation that explains how to install OpenManage on >Fedora? > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >!DSPAM:41ed5478112842020213523! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 19:42:59 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:42:59 -0500 Subject: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 Message-ID: That's FC1. FC3 comes with a different kernel I guess. -----Original Message----- From: Denis Mironenko [mailto:denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 18, 2005 2:33 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 I found this page http://d5.speedyard.net/_mt/archives/2004_01.php One of entries on the page claims that it is possible to install OpenManage on Fedora. > >OpenManager doesn't work with our Windows 2003 Server 64-bit either. In >the OpenManager doc, it says it only support some versions of Red Hat >7.x server. That doesn't include FC3. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Denis Mironenko [mailto:denis_mir-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] >Sent: January 18, 2005 1:23 PM >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: [TLUG]: Installing OpenManage on Fedora Core3 > > >Hi, >I am trying to install Dell OpenManage on PowerEdge 2800 server running >Fedore Core 3. But I get an error saying that "Server Administrator is >not supported by currently running kernel" I looked through >documentation provided for OpenManage but wasn't able to find anything. >Can anybody give me a link to documentation that explains how to >install OpenManage on Fedora? > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 20:06:18 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:06:18 -0500 Subject: this should be simple In-Reply-To: <20050118184119.1FB111EC585-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050118184119.1FB111EC585@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <20050118200618.GM30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 01:32:53PM -0500, bob wrote: > Suppose I want to write a very simple Linux C program to detect that the user > has pressed CTRL (or ALT) and PGUP. > > How do I do this? > > I remember back to my QNX days that there were term functions which could > detect this but for the life of me I can't find the Linux equivalent. Get char returns characters, not modifier key events. You will have to use one of the lower level console access libraries. Under X you would use the X event libraries of course. For a portable application, use SDL if possible since it will abstract away all the yucky stuff. It esentially involves using ioctl to switch the console to raw keyboard mode, and then doing your own parsing of the scancodes you read and then restoring the keyboard mode on exit again. The SDL libs know how to do that for you no matter if you are in X or on console, so it may be a simpler method or it could be overkill. The source code to dumpkeys from the console-tools might also be a helpful place to look. What it comes down to is: No it shouldn't be simple, because it isn't simple. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 20:41:27 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:41:27 +0200 (IST) Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <798716167.20050118101353-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> Message-ID: > enabling it (and thus increasing the Mb/sec of the drive). If not > enabled, the difference in performance could be substantial. Unfortunately unless one is using high end SCSI drives the throughput will remain very low, limited by the c**p controller and r/w head throughput (normal ide/eide/ata/sata will not go beyond 10-12MBps and that is very fast by the average standards of off the shelf hdds in my experience). hdparm will tell you if you can gain from DMA. hdparm -Tt will determine the cache and the real disk r/w speeds. The latter is usually 10 times less then the cache r/w speed and is the real bottleneck. Enabling DMA should not (and does not as far as I could test) improve this. The initialisation code in the kernels puts the hdds into a 'best match' mode with the available capabilities. And if one does use SCSI then it's the SCSI controller's DMA that must be turned on. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 20:44:25 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:44:25 +0200 (IST) Subject: this should be simple In-Reply-To: <20050118184119.1FB111EC585-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050118184119.1FB111EC585@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, bob wrote: > Suppose I want to write a very simple Linux C program to detect that the user > has pressed CTRL (or ALT) and PGUP. > > How do I do this? > > I remember back to my QNX days that there were term functions which could > detect this but for the life of me I can't find the Linux equivalent. You put stdin into raw mode and then you have access to all keypresses. It is domcumented in Stevens 'Advanced Programming for in the UNIX Environment'. You can also 'peek' at setup code in the source of any console mode text editor, mail reader, top etc etc Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 20:50:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:50:19 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:41:27PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Unfortunately unless one is using high end SCSI drives the throughput > will remain very low, limited by the c**p controller and r/w head > throughput (normal ide/eide/ata/sata will not go beyond 10-12MBps and > that is very fast by the average standards of off the shelf hdds in my > experience). hdparm will tell you if you can gain from DMA. hdparm -Tt > will determine the cache and the real disk r/w speeds. The latter is > usually 10 times less then the cache r/w speed and is the real > bottleneck. Enabling DMA should not (and does not as far as I could > test) improve this. The initialisation code in the kernels puts the hdds > into a 'best match' mode with the available capabilities. And if one > does use SCSI then it's the SCSI controller's DMA that must be turned > on. The kernel MIGHT enable DMA by default, but then again it might be configured not to. Without DMA most systems I have seen give about 2 or 3MB/s transfer rate, while with DMA they give anywhere from 10 to 60MB/s (as per hdparm -t measurements). The hdparm -T measurement seems to be a linux memory cache benchmark, which depends entirely on the cpu and memory subsystem of the machine and has nothing to do with the actual disk or controller. DMA of course also significantly reduces the cpu load required to operate the disk. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 20:52:03 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:52:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: this should be simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > I remember back to my QNX days that there were term functions which could > > detect this but for the life of me I can't find the Linux equivalent. > > You put stdin into raw mode and then you have access to all keypresses. No, unfortunately, you have (immediate) access to all *characters* that way. This doesn't help for someone who wants to attach special significance to combinations of keypresses that don't correspond to distinct characters. That requires removing another level of abstraction, and the facilities for that are not well standardized, partly because in a lot of pre-PC systems, that level was in hardware and couldn't be removed. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 23:47:32 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:47:32 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41EDA014.8030000@sympatico.ca> The gain in speed might be quite small, I'd agree, but: * it comes for free * without DMA, watching DVDs on lower-end machines is an unpleasant exercise. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 02:33:35 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:33:35 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <20050118205019.GN30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41EDC6FF.2020200@truxtar.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:41:27PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >>Unfortunately unless one is using high end SCSI drives the throughput >>will remain very low, limited by the c**p controller and r/w head >>throughput (normal ide/eide/ata/sata will not go beyond 10-12MBps and >>that is very fast by the average standards of off the shelf hdds in my >>experience). hdparm will tell you if you can gain from DMA. hdparm -Tt >>will determine the cache and the real disk r/w speeds. The latter is >>usually 10 times less then the cache r/w speed and is the real >>bottleneck. Enabling DMA should not (and does not as far as I could >>test) improve this. The initialisation code in the kernels puts the hdds >>into a 'best match' mode with the available capabilities. And if one >>does use SCSI then it's the SCSI controller's DMA that must be turned >>on. > > > The kernel MIGHT enable DMA by default, but then again it might be > configured not to. Without DMA most systems I have seen give about 2 or > 3MB/s transfer rate, while with DMA they give anywhere from 10 to 60MB/s > (as per hdparm -t measurements). The hdparm -T measurement seems to be > a linux memory cache benchmark, which depends entirely on the cpu and > memory subsystem of the machine and has nothing to do with the actual > disk or controller. DMA of course also significantly reduces the cpu > load required to operate the disk. Actually the 'hdparm -T' command tests the speed at which data can be read from the disk controller's / hard drive's cache. It represents the maximum speed at which data can be transfered from the controller or the hard drive itself to the CPU (I don't remember which one). Usually actual disk reads are slower by at least a magnitude (factor of 10), due to the limitations of the hardware. I would imagine the '-T' test is useful, because certain (database) servers may benefit by using data directly from the controller's cache. However, you are right in that memory management and the effectiveness of the Linux I/O subsystem would probably have an impact on these test results, and it could be used as a good benchmark for these systems. And yes, DMA significantly improves both the physical and cache read results. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 03:19:54 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:19:54 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? Message-ID: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> My memory has deserted me and so have the notes I thought I kept. One new distro I installed, displays, the correct EST time on this kde desktop. On another computer the same distro seems to display EST as GMZ + 10. [ Debian based distro] /etc/timezone on both is America/Montreal. The clock applet on the task bar only has a check in the Timezone ;Toronto box. My outgoing messages are timestamped wrong and I've had one request to get it fixed, or else. Must be something else involved and I just can't recall???? Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 18 22:49:20 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:49:20 +0000 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182219.55137.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200501182249.20778.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 19, 2005 03:19 am, Merv Curley wrote: > My memory has deserted me and so have the notes I thought I kept. > > One new distro I installed, displays, the correct EST time on this kde > desktop. On another computer the same distro seems to display EST as GMZ + > 10. [ Debian based distro] > > /etc/timezone on both is America/Montreal. The clock applet on the task > bar only has a check in the Timezone ;Toronto box. My outgoing messages > are timestamped wrong and I've had one request to get it fixed, or else. > > Must be something else involved and I just can't recall???? > > Merv Howdy, Merv. Just out of curiosity, when you right-click the clock, and slide up to 'Show Timezone >' on the menu that appears, does it say 'America/Toronto' (checked)? If so, try changing that to 'Local Timezone' and see if that makes a difference. If that doesn't work, try 'America/New York' in the 'Configure Timezones' option - it's the same timezone. Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 04:15:01 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:15:01 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182249.20778.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> <200501182249.20778.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501182315.01148.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 18 January 2005 17:49, Matt Cahill wrote: > On January 19, 2005 03:19 am, Merv Curley wrote: > > My memory has deserted me and so have the notes I thought I kept. > > > > One new distro I installed, displays, the correct EST time on this kde > > desktop. On another computer the same distro seems to display EST as GMZ > > + 10. [ Debian based distro] > > > > /etc/timezone on both is America/Montreal. The clock applet on the task > > bar only has a check in the Timezone ;Toronto box. My outgoing messages > > are timestamped wrong and I've had one request to get it fixed, or else. > > > > Must be something else involved and I just can't recall???? > > > > Merv > > Howdy, Merv. > > Just out of curiosity, when you right-click the clock, and slide up to > 'Show Timezone >' on the menu that appears, does it say > 'America/Toronto' (checked)? If so, try changing that to 'Local Timezone' > and see if that makes a difference. If that doesn't work, try 'America/New > York' in the 'Configure Timezones' option - it's the same timezone. > > Matt This computer sez America/Toronto the troubled one said Local Timezone. I changed it to America/Toronto, logged out of X and back in, but the same time is reported. I'll try restarting the computer while I wait for you all but I figured if the only base system file is /etc/timezone then it is a KDE problem. Oops, some grey cells just got activated and I tried the 'date' command and sure enough it is wrong. So it isn't a KDE problem, unless kclock [?] affects the system clock. I'm going to reboot and see if the bios time is wrong. Why not start at the beginning? Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 04:19:56 2005 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:19:56 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft In-Reply-To: <1106068337.4195.15.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> <1106068337.4195.15.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <200501182319.57065.marc@lijour.net> On January 18, 2005 12:12 pm, Ken O. Burtch wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 08:55, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > "Ken O. Burtch" writes: > > > (An RFP document will be made available at the next > > > PegaSoft meeting covering the specifics.) > > > > kudos on the gig. > > Thanks, Matt. Nice to see things moving in a positive direction. > > > BTW, are you asking got a proposal for the job or for the > > application? > > I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I've visited the client, scoped out > the project and prepared a 12 page RFP. We'll present the RFP on > Thursday and see who is interested. They can submit proposals for the > project--in part, an exercise to make sure that they understand the > project. If we get multiple proposals, we'll sort through them and > choose one. They will be working as part of the PegaSoft team for the > duration of the project. We cannot commit to full-time employment until > we see how this first project pans out. > > The important thing is not to let this new opportunity to get away. I > am anticipating additional contracts later this year and this is an > opportunity for people to decide if they want to work with PegaSoft and > its semi-LUG ideology. Hopefully we will be able to use this > opportunity to raise Linux awareness in schools throughout Ontario. I'd > love to have the opportunity to start installing Linux in the classroom, > especially after the Ontario government announced last fall that they > were installing StarOffice in schools. Please (please!) send me a link for this annoucement. I am a teacher in a French speaking board (CSDCSO www.csdcso.on.ca). If you have seen my few posts along the years, I aspire to work fully with Linux in the classroom. Each term I hope I get closer to this. And now I feel even much closer. (But no money can be invested by the board.) Your project is interesting. Of course I'd like to participate though I don't see how. What we are doing now - use of StarOffice/OOo in all classrooms (that I teach), and at home - next programming course, the idea is to teach C with Allegro -a multi-plateform game library- to spice it up a little bit - dual-boot is being considered William Park has also an interesting solution. But again, I don't think the board is ready to spend more. > > Good things are happening. > > KB > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 04:22:42 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:22:42 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182219.55137.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200501182322.42654.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 18 January 2005 22:19, Merv Curley wrote: > My memory has deserted me and so have the notes I thought I kept. > > One new distro I installed, displays, the correct EST time on this kde > desktop. On another computer the same distro seems to display EST as GMZ + > 10. [ Debian based distro] > > /etc/timezone on both is America/Montreal. The clock applet on the task > bar only has a check in the Timezone ;Toronto box. My outgoing messages > are timestamped wrong and I've had one request to get it fixed, or else. > > Must be something else involved and I just can't recall???? > > Merv Red faced . . . At some time lately the MB clock got pushed ahead 5 hrs. Reset it and all is well. Never was much good at diagnostics, until someone gets me thinking in straight lines. Thanks Matt Cheerio Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 09:37:01 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:37:01 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41EE2A3D.7020201@utoronto.ca> Nobody has mentioned Camino for Mac OS X. Is it not compatible. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 11:45:55 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:45:55 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182322.42654.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> <200501182322.42654.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050119114555.GA22772@m450> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:22:42PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote > At some time lately the MB clock got pushed ahead 5 hrs. Reset it > and all is well. > > Never was much good at diagnostics, until someone gets me thinking > in straight lines. UTC (aka GMT) is 5 hours ahead of EST. Check whether... 1) your BIOS is reporting UTC rather than EST 2) your linux settings are looking for UTC rather than EST -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 12:41:45 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:41:45 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors Message-ID: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. ... again which is correct (if any)? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 13:26:38 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:26:38 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050119132638.GA2674@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:41:45AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: >I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" >article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in >"hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and >"disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > >Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. >... again which is correct (if any)? This is a style issue, similar to email vs. e-mail. Ordinarily I would send you to the magazine web site to look at the style guide for writers, but that page (http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/author/authguide) is given over to issues of what they will publish, not how. You have two choices - email Don Marti from that page and ask, or simply choose a convention and use it - if an editor doesn't like you convention they will change it, but thank you for your consistency. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 13:33:04 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:33:04 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>; from colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:41:45AM -0500 References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050119083304.A21149@ee.ryerson.ca> This is an example where it is important to be disc-riminating in one's use of language. Peter On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:41:45AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" > article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in > "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and > "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > > Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > ... again which is correct (if any)? > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 14:12:08 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:12:08 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41EE6AB8.1060700@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" > article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in > "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and > "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > > Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > ... again which is correct (if any)? In enlish, "disk" is the correct spelling. In the case of CDs, one of the developers was a European company, and they used "disc". According to Webster's, disc is a variant of disk, so both are OK. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 14:05:56 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:05:56 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <20050119132638.GA2674-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119132638.GA2674@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050119090556.278845e9.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:26:38 -0500 William O'Higgins wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:41:45AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > >I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" > >article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in > >"hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and > >"disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > > > >Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > >... again which is correct (if any)? Well, when I can't be sure what's right, I always pick one and try to apply it consistently, if you're wrong, at least it's easy to fix :-) What I do when trying to decide is first check dictionary.com - if the answer isn't obvious I pick the one that seems to fit the audience I'm writing for, failing that, I pick the one that's shortest and easiest to spell. I just sent out 3 different pitches that all used the Drupal CMS package as a base. So, is it a blog? A CMS? A portal? I used a different term for each writeup, based on what I thought they were going to do with it. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 14:58:55 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:58:55 -0500 Subject: OT Safari javascript problem In-Reply-To: <41EE2A3D.7020201-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1105635019.3308.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b20501131056157750f1@mail.gmail.com> <1105728171.21720.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <4386c5b2050114105854d014b7@mail.gmail.com> <41EE2A3D.7020201@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b205011906582cf88508@mail.gmail.com> It should be; it's based on the same Gecko code as Firefox. Aaron On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:37:01 -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Nobody has mentioned Camino for Mac OS X. Is it not compatible. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:08:05 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:08:05 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <41EDC6FF.2020200-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EDC6FF.2020200@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20050119150805.GO30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 09:33:35PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > Actually the 'hdparm -T' command tests the speed at which data can be > read from the disk controller's / hard drive's cache. It represents the > maximum speed at which data can be transfered from the controller or the > hard drive itself to the CPU (I don't remember which one). Usually > actual disk reads are slower by at least a magnitude (factor of 10), due > to the limitations of the hardware. I would imagine the '-T' test is > useful, because certain (database) servers may benefit by using data > directly from the controller's cache. Well given I get back 1700MB/s on hdparm -T and it is labeled: Timing cached reads, I very much believe this is reading from the linux memory cache of that device, not from the device itself. Given the interface to the drive is 150MB/s there is no other way to get 1700M/s even from the disk's onboard 8MB cache. If I turn off dual channel memory access in the BIOS, the value drops in half. > However, you are right in that memory management and the effectiveness > of the Linux I/O subsystem would probably have an impact on these test > results, and it could be used as a good benchmark for these systems. And > yes, DMA significantly improves both the physical and cache read results. Strangely enough DMA doesn't make one bit of difference to the -T test in my experience, which further indicates to me that it is simply a ram speed test (as I always understood it was). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:14:31 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:14:31 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:41:45AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" > article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in > "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and > "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > > Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > ... again which is correct (if any)? My understanding of it is that disc is british and disk is american. I personally use disc for spiral track media (usually optical) and disk for circular track media (usually magnetic). Not really sure why I started doing that, other than the official name for CD is Compact Disc and everything else always seems to refer to floppy disk and hard disk (I guess IBM may have had something to do with that). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:19:56 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:19:56 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft In-Reply-To: <200501182319.57065.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> <1106068337.4195.15.camel@linux.site> <200501182319.57065.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <20050119151956.GQ30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 11:19:56PM -0500, Marc Lijour wrote: > Please (please!) send me a link for this annoucement. > > I am a teacher in a French speaking board (CSDCSO www.csdcso.on.ca). > If you have seen my few posts along the years, I aspire to work fully with > Linux in the classroom. Each term I hope I get closer to this. And now I feel > even much closer. (But no money can be invested by the board.) > > Your project is interesting. Of course I'd like to participate though I don't > see how. > > What we are doing now > - use of StarOffice/OOo in all classrooms (that I teach), and at home > - next programming course, the idea is to teach C with Allegro -a > multi-plateform game library- to spice it up a little bit You should look at SDL libraries. I doubt anything better for game libraries exist that is cross platform. I believe all the games ported to Linux were done using SDL (which Loki originally developed). It also works on windows so the same code with some minor changes can be compiled and run on both unix and windows and I believe even Mac OS X. DevC++ IDE (free) for windows also has support for it for those that wish to play on windows instead of linux. > - dual-boot is being considered > > William Park has also an interesting solution. But again, I don't think the > board is ready to spend more. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:22:22 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:22:22 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182219.55137.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050119152222.GR30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 10:19:54PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > My memory has deserted me and so have the notes I thought I kept. > > One new distro I installed, displays, the correct EST time on this kde > desktop. On another computer the same distro seems to display EST as GMZ + > 10. [ Debian based distro] > > /etc/timezone on both is America/Montreal. The clock applet on the task bar > only has a check in the Timezone ;Toronto box. My outgoing messages are > timestamped wrong and I've had one request to get it fixed, or else. > > Must be something else involved and I just can't recall???? Try running tzsetup and see if it is actually set right. Also check what timezone your kde desktop is set for. I also believe there are multiple time zones in the world abreviated EST. I think there is such a thing as European Standard Time, but I could be wrong. I don't think posix uses the same abreviations for any of them, but the display of the time zone may still do so. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:41:24 2005 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:41:24 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 Cache In-Reply-To: <20050118065527.GA21213-9atf/A9S5F4Ir3X11T2esw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050118065527.GA21213@rathbone.ath.cx> Message-ID: <41EE7FA4.6060106@sympatico.ca> Logan Rathbone wrote: >Hi guys. I've had a bit of a problem for quite a while, but it has only >become very annoying as of late. > >I have a problem with my memory, and I'm 99% sure it's my L2 cache. It >all started when I upgraded my motherboard last year. I was on a bit of >a budget, so I opted for a rather cheap board (I can't even think of the >brand off hand...) with an AMD K7 2.2 GHz processor (again not sure >exactly what its "brand" name is.. but those are its tech specs). I >also upgraded my RAM from 128 to 512, which is already beginning to show >its age ;-) > >Anyway, here's the dealio. I noticed that after I left my computer >running for a while, compiling kernels and the like, my compilations >would suddenly stop with a SIGSEGV, an internal compiler error. At >first it wasn't a big deal; I just had to start from where I left off. > >But still, I decided to run memtest86. I'm a fairly patient person; but >after it had been running for over 2 days without reporting a single >error, I had to stop it. There's work to do, y'know. > >But now, a year later, I run into problems that reach as far as the user >level. If I leave my computer on for about 24 hours or so, programs >start randomly crashing (and I'm talking EVERYTHING, from VIM to Mozilla >to irssi). > >Reluctant to try memtest86 again, I found a very helpful page about >deducing memory problems, and finding out where they lie. I think I >narrowed it down to the L2 cache -- it's a 256-meg btw -- I disabled the >L2 cache, and while the system was slow as hell, I didn't get any >internal compiler errors, and everything was otherwise fine. > >I used to have Windows XP a while ago, but since I upgraded my hard >drive (previous thread on here somewhere...) I haven't gotten around to >re-installing it. But when it was there, it seemed to run without >problems. But that's not exactly a fair comparison, as I never compile >anything on Windows, and don't really use it all that often, just for my >family. > >So my question is... what do I do to fix this? Does the part have to be >replaced? And why would it not cause any problems whatsoever on >Windows, what sets it apart in that respect? > >Sorry for the long-winded post, but I hope someone here can help ;-) > Logan, I'd be very interested in that page you found about deducing memory problems. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:47:54 2005 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:47:54 -0500 Subject: 1 Year Linux Contract with PegaSoft In-Reply-To: <1106068337.4195.15.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <1105978389.8269.17.camel@linux.site> <1106068337.4195.15.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <41EE812A.9080201@sympatico.ca> Ken O. Burtch wrote: > ... I'd love to have the opportunity to start installing Linux in the classroom, especially after the Ontario government announced last fall that they >were installing StarOffice in schools. > Any idea when the StarOffice in the schools is scheduled to start? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 15:52:47 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:52:47 -0500 Subject: Question for English Majors Message-ID: <1106149967.5569.10.camel@localhost> > I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A Temporary Internet Lounge" > article, and the question has come up, do I use "disk" and/or "disc". As in > "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? Both? If both "disc" and > "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be using one or the other? > > Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > ... again which is correct (if any)? "disc" is correct usage for British English while "disk" is proper for American English. In your case I think your usage should probably be dictated by where you have the biggest readership -- the U.S. or the rest of the world? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:22:33 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:22:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question for English Majors In-Reply-To: <1106149967.5569.10.camel@localhost> References: <1106149967.5569.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050119162233.4782.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- John McGregor wrote: > > > I am doing the follow-up to my Linux Journal "A > Temporary Internet Lounge" > > article, and the question has come up, do I use > "disk" and/or "disc". As in > > "hard disk" or "compact disc", which is correct? > Both? If both "disc" and > > "disk" are correct, under conditions should I be > using one or the other? > > > > Similar story with "RAM disk" vs. "RAMdisk" vs. > "Ramdisk" vs. "RAM disc" vs. > > ... again which is correct (if any)? > > > "disc" is correct usage for British English while > "disk" is proper for American English. > In your case I think your usage should probably be > dictated by where you have the biggest readership > -- the U.S. or the rest of the world? Well, I am aiming for publication in a U.S. based publication, so I guess "disk" is it... Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:38:52 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <41EDA014.8030000-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <41EDA014.8030000@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:47:32 -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > The gain in speed might be quite small, I'd agree, but: > > * it comes for free > > * without DMA, watching DVDs on lower-end machines is an unpleasant > exercise. Yup. DMA (Direct Memory Access) is the mechanism whereby the CPU can tell the HD controller to "put this data here in memory," and then ignore it until the transfer is complete. Without using DMA, the CPU must be involved in every step of the process. This provides speed gains when the system is CPU-bound, and in all cases greatly reduces CPU load. http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesDMA-c.html -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:57:08 2005 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:57:08 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <20050119151431.GP30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: > My understanding of it is that disc is british and disk is american. I > personally use disc for spiral track media (usually optical) and disk > for circular track media (usually magnetic). Not really sure why I > started doing that, other than the official name for CD is Compact Disc > and everything else always seems to refer to floppy disk and hard disk > (I guess IBM may have had something to do with that). I personally think (yeah, I know my personal opinion means nothing in the face of proper English) that "disk" should be used as the regular default unless the media being handled is discus shaped. Hard-drives are enclosed in nice boxes, so they're "disk". CDs and DVDs can be thrown, and to a degree fly well, so they get "disc". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 17:09:47 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:09:47 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050119170947.GS30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:57:08AM -0500, Jing Su wrote: > I personally think (yeah, I know my personal opinion means nothing in > the face of proper English) that "disk" should be used as the regular > default unless the media being handled is discus shaped. Hard-drives > are enclosed in nice boxes, so they're "disk". CDs and DVDs can be > thrown, and to a degree fly well, so they get "disc". Hmm, I could go for that, and it wouldn't really mess with what I am already doing. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 09:30:31 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:31 +0200 (IST) Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <20050118205019.GN30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The kernel MIGHT enable DMA by default, but then again it might be > configured not to. Without DMA most systems I have seen give about 2 or > 3MB/s transfer rate, while with DMA they give anywhere from 10 to 60MB/s > (as per hdparm -t measurements). The hdparm -T measurement seems to be > a linux memory cache benchmark, which depends entirely on the cpu and > memory subsystem of the machine and has nothing to do with the actual > disk or controller. DMA of course also significantly reduces the cpu > load required to operate the disk. The kernel always uses the default mode of the drive, and won't 'tune' anything it is not asked to. dma is enabled by scripts in init.d etc. If you do hdparm -I you will get a lot of info on the drive. One particular piece of info is the timing. That is 'Cycle time'. If it says 120ns (a common value), then the maximum speed with 16bit data path is 2 bytes * 1/120nsec ~= 16.6MBps. Now compare this to the output of hdparm -t. If the two numbers only show 5-10% difference then the setup is probably optimal and cannot be improved by (u)dma settings. Of course I would be glad to be wrong on this. My current (slow, 4 year old) hdd in this machine shows a computed maximum of 16.6 MBps and a hdparm -t of 16.18MBps. i.e. I cannot do anything significant to speed it up. It is the default boot setup from Debian, no tuning was performed. Udma etc is enabled automatically by init scripts (/etc/init.d/hdparm). I would very much like to see an off the shelf ide drive that is inexpensive and does 33 MBps or more as shown by hdparm -t (that would still only tax the drive-interface-cable-kernel subsystem to 50% assuming it's using UDMA-1 or -2), and that's on a semi-obsolete system! Peter (ps: a small check: ~500MHz P3 system on intel board and cheap WD hdd disk shows over 240MBps -T and 16.1/16.7 -t (=>96% of possible disk transfer speed)). So you can see where the bottleneck is. The drive uses udma2 (it can go to udma 4 acc -I info). My conclusion: spend money on a good drive after researching real world data (as opposed to urban myths and marketing 'data') and leave the kernel and scripts to do their thing, they are already very good at it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 10:05:06 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:05:06 +0200 (IST) Subject: this should be simple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Peter L. Peres wrote: >>> I remember back to my QNX days that there were term functions which could >>> detect this but for the life of me I can't find the Linux equivalent. >> >> You put stdin into raw mode and then you have access to all keypresses. > > No, unfortunately, you have (immediate) access to all *characters* that > way. This doesn't help for someone who wants to attach special > significance to combinations of keypresses that don't correspond to > distinct characters. That requires removing another level of abstraction, > and the facilities for that are not well standardized, partly because in a > lot of pre-PC systems, that level was in hardware and couldn't be removed. Maybe I did not express myself clearly, I meant put stdin in raw mode using ioctls. I have done this 'by the book' (Stevens) and later otherwise, so I know what's involved. It is not a painful process (compared to other programming issues imho). I agree about lack of standards. Stevens describes a method that will not work on Linux without peeking at the sources of an already running program (I think I used the top source for this at the time). Some 'small details' are different. I will try it out on netbsd later just to see how it compares. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 10:14:32 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:14:32 +0200 (IST) Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <200501182322.42654.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> <200501182322.42654.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Merv Curley wrote: > At some time lately the MB clock got pushed ahead 5 hrs. Reset it and all is > well. > > Never was much good at diagnostics, until someone gets me thinking in straight > lines. So you took a trip to Hawaii and did not notice ? ;-) You do not need to reboot to set the bios clock. hwclock --systohc will to it for you. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 17:22:08 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:22:08 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > The kernel always uses the default mode of the drive, and won't 'tune' > anything it is not asked to. dma is enabled by scripts in init.d etc. If > you do hdparm -I you will get a lot of info on the drive. One particular > piece of info is the timing. That is 'Cycle time'. If it says 120ns (a > common value), then the maximum speed with 16bit data path is 2 bytes * > 1/120nsec ~= 16.6MBps. Now compare this to the output of hdparm -t. If > the two numbers only show 5-10% difference then the setup is probably > optimal and cannot be improved by (u)dma settings. Of course I would be > glad to be wrong on this. My current (slow, 4 year old) hdd in this > machine shows a computed maximum of 16.6 MBps and a hdparm -t of > 16.18MBps. i.e. I cannot do anything significant to speed it up. It is > the default boot setup from Debian, no tuning was performed. Udma etc is > enabled automatically by init scripts (/etc/init.d/hdparm). I would very > much like to see an off the shelf ide drive that is inexpensive and does > 33 MBps or more as shown by hdparm -t (that would still only tax the > drive-interface-cable-kernel subsystem to 50% assuming it's using UDMA-1 > or -2), and that's on a semi-obsolete system! The debian kernels do default to autotune and turn on dma when possible. Without DMA it is normal to get about 2 or 3MB/s instead. Here are the hdparm -tT outputs from a 2.8GHz P4HT with a 120GB WD SATA drive: rceng01:~# hdparm -tT /dev/sdb /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 3584 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1792.27 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.00 seconds = 50.62 MB/sec On an Athlon XP 2800+ with the same drive model: debdev1:~# hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 1536 MB in 2.00 seconds = 766.58 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 146 MB in 3.00 seconds = 48.63 MB/sec Both are 1GB dual channel memory. > (ps: a small check: ~500MHz P3 system on intel board and cheap WD hdd > disk shows over 240MBps -T and 16.1/16.7 -t (=>96% of possible disk > transfer speed)). So you can see where the bottleneck is. The drive uses > udma2 (it can go to udma 4 acc -I info). My conclusion: spend money on a > good drive after researching real world data (as opposed to urban myths > and marketing 'data') and leave the kernel and scripts to do their > thing, they are already very good at it. When asked to the kernel tends to do a good job, but you can build kernels that don't default to turning on DMA. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 17:27:25 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:27:25 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <13861921.20050119122725@rogers.com> Wednesday, January 19, 2005, 4:30:31 AM, you wrote: PLP> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> The kernel MIGHT enable DMA by default, but then again it might be >> configured not to. Without DMA most systems I have seen give about 2 or >> 3MB/s transfer rate, while with DMA they give anywhere from 10 to 60MB/s >> (as per hdparm -t measurements). The hdparm -T measurement seems to be >> a linux memory cache benchmark, which depends entirely on the cpu and >> memory subsystem of the machine and has nothing to do with the actual >> disk or controller. DMA of course also significantly reduces the cpu >> load required to operate the disk. PLP> The kernel always uses the default mode of the drive, and won't 'tune' PLP> anything it is not asked to. dma is enabled by scripts in init.d etc. Actually, if you look at the link I originally posted, there's an app by the name of hwtools, which can be set to enable the 'hdparm' command during boot-up. So, for example, the author has the following lines in '/etc/init.d/hwtools': hdparm -d1 -X69 -m1 -c3 /dev/hda hdparm -d1 /dev/hd[cd] I realise there's some debate here about the efficacy of hdparm in the grand scheme of things, but, superficially, I can say that my post-tweak results of 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' show a marked increase in the Mb/sec rate. Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com "It is important to have this idea in one's mind, because otherwise one fails to grasp the whole spirit of modern Science-Philosophy. It does not aim at Truth; [...] it aims at maximum convenience." - A. Crowley -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bbresc512-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 17:30:57 2005 From: bbresc512-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Boris) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:30:57 +0200 Subject: Linux training Message-ID: <0b2301c4fe4c$a34eda40$6400a8c0@LaptopXP> Hi, could someone out there recommend a course in Linux Development, beginners+ level in GTA? I'm specifically looking for hands on training on kernel development - I just hope there is such a beast :) Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 20:47:48 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:47:48 -0500 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <200501061051.15626.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20050106151159.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501061051.15626.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200501191547.48549.david@dingodave.cjb.net> How did you go with this? I'm interested, as the Treo 650 should be available soon here. I'm also going to try to sync my new SonyEricsson T610 via IR if possible. Regards, David On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:51, Jason Shein wrote: > On January 6, 2005 03:11 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:07:14AM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > > > Anyone here managed to sync a palm unit and a laptop using IRDA? > > > > > > Toshiba Satellite 1900 > > > Treo 600 runing PalmOS5 ( visor ) > > > > > > Debian unstable > > > > > > Packages: > > > kpilot > > > irda-common > > > irda-tools > > > > > > irda-utils ( current replacement for irda-common & irda-tools ) will > > > not install for some reason. the pre-install script errors out every > > > time. > > > > > > irdadump sees nothing when I attempt to hotsync. > > > > So far I found pilot-link and jpilot to work for syncing my Tungsten E > > (palm os 5) while kpilot couldn't even find it. Pretty typical kde > > application problem in my experience. :) > > > > This is over usb link. None of my machines have IR unfortunately. > > > > Do you have an IR driver loaded? As in a kernel module for doing IR. > > Utilities alone isn't enough. > > I am using kpilot on all my machines with no effort at all. It works over > USB on the satellite but I would prefer to be able to use the IRDA while > mobile. > > I have no experience using IRDA under linux and the information I come > across is of little assistance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 16:39:00 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:39:00 +0000 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <200501191547.48549.david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <200501061051.15626.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <200501191547.48549.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <200501191639.00162.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 19, 2005 08:47 pm, David Colebatch wrote: > How did you go with this? I'm interested, as the Treo 650 should be > available soon here. > > I'm also going to try to sync my new SonyEricsson T610 via IR if possible. > > Regards, > > David Flawless sync with kpilot, using kontact ( kmail, kaddresbook, korganizer, knotes ) via USB on debian unstable. One note is that korganizer will not sync properly if it is opened at the time of sync, and knotes must be running in the system tray in order to sync. Still no luck with IRDA. I hope to have some spare time to devote to this in the next week or so. If I don't have any luck, I will just purchase another USB cable to keep in my laptop bag ( $10). I would prefer to use IRDA if anyone has any new ideas to try. A note to mention is that the treo 600 out of the box does not support IMAP ( as I found out after the fact ;) but there are numerous programs out there to do so. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 22:23:30 2005 From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:23:30 -0500 Subject: BOF presentations at LinuxWorld Canada Conference Message-ID: <41EEDDE2.5010809@pobox.com> Hello everyone... I've recently been in touch with the conference manager of LinuxWorld Canada, http://www.linuxworldcanada.com/ April 18 - 20, 2005 Metro Toronto Convention Centre Toronto, Canada She asked me to help out with organizing some of the BOF sessions -- these are slightly-less-formal sessions held after hours that you don't have to attend the conference (or otherwise pay) to attend. They're basically an opportunity to open up a piece of the conference (which is otherwise commercial and managerially-targeted) to the larger Linux community. I've been asked to help find people who would be interested in doing a BOF presentation. It hasn't yet been nailed down what the most suitable topics would be for this kind of conference; that's something I'll take up with the organizers of the conference once we have a few suggestions from people out there, to see what the best mix would be. While the conference isn't really a hardcore techie conference [ OLS would be best for that :-) ] there might be some room for core technology / development oriented BOFs. (Probably not kernel hacking or anything like that, though.) I know that so far there are BOFs scheduled to demo the latest version of Acrobat for Linux by someone from Adobe, and someone from the core KDE team who will talk about... well, KDE no doubt. Durations of BOF sessions will be something like 1 to 1-1/2 hours. If you have some interest in this then please reply personally. I will check the TLUG list to see if any thread grows out of this, but not with the same rapidity that I'll check my personal email. Cheers, Richard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 20:59:04 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:59:04 +0200 (IST) Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <20050119172207.GT30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > When asked to the kernel tends to do a good job, but you can build > kernels that don't default to turning on DMA. Thanks for the reality check ;-) I thought all kernels are built without DMA tuning built in in case a disk is changed and wnats a DMA mode lower than atoselected. If that happens, there will be trouble. In all systems I have seen so far the dma was turned on by a script run at boot time. If you are aware of kernel tuning parameters that allow the kernel itself to turn on DMA (why would one want that ?), please share them. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 20:53:59 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:53:59 +0200 (IST) Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Jing Su wrote: >> My understanding of it is that disc is british and disk is american. I >> personally use disc for spiral track media (usually optical) and disk >> for circular track media (usually magnetic). Not really sure why I >> started doing that, other than the official name for CD is Compact Disc >> and everything else always seems to refer to floppy disk and hard disk >> (I guess IBM may have had something to do with that). > > I personally think (yeah, I know my personal opinion means nothing in > the face of proper English) that "disk" should be used as the regular > default unless the media being handled is discus shaped. Hard-drives > are enclosed in nice boxes, so they're "disk". CDs and DVDs can be > thrown, and to a degree fly well, so they get "disc". But the correct spelling in my opinion is Discos (or latinised Discus/Discum), and using ancient Greek characters. The Discobolus (sculpture of the (ancient olympic) athlete throwing the disc (sic)) is a good exemplification of the use imho. Was this what you had in mind with throwing the disc ? Anyway I think that you spell it any way your editor likes it, as long as it sounds like 'k' when they read it. In fact, the spell checkers have separate American and English dictionaries precisely for this purpose. And I am not an English Major. Not even a minor. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 22:46:54 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:46:54 -0500 Subject: IRDA and Palm In-Reply-To: <200501191639.00162.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501061007.14803.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <200501191547.48549.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <200501191639.00162.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200501191746.54654.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Wednesday 19 January 2005 11:39, Jason Shein wrote: > > I'm also going to try to sync my new SonyEricsson T610 via IR if > > possible. > Flawless sync with kpilot, using kontact ( kmail, kaddresbook, korganizer, > knotes ) via USB on debian unstable. One note is that korganizer will not > sync properly if it is opened at the time of sync, and knotes must be > running in the system tray in order to sync. > > Still no luck with IRDA. I hope to have some spare time to devote to this > in the next week or so. If I don't have any luck, I will just purchase > another USB cable to keep in my laptop bag ( $10). > > I would prefer to use IRDA if anyone has any new ideas to try. Ah, I just got my T610 to sync with Evolution, using Multisync over IR. I just had to run irattach /dev/ttyS1 Rgds, David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 23:20:11 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:20:11 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <20050119151431.GP30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41EEEB2B.8090302@rogers.com> > My understanding of it is that disc is british and disk is american. I > personally use disc for spiral track media (usually optical) and disk > for circular track media (usually magnetic). Interesting... I do kind of the same thing, except that I use 'disc' for CD and DVD, and 'disk' for floppies, etc. In fact, I think the only times I use 'disk' is specifically when referring to floppies. 'Disc', however, is the most correct if one follows the etymology of the word from the latin root 'discus', which effectively translates to 'dish'. Though german does have the word 'diskette', so perhaps that's one avenue as to how 'disk' made it into english (which did start off as a german dialect). Mind you, I am not an english major; I just play one on TV. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 19 23:38:14 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: <41EEEB2B.8090302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EEEB2B.8090302@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:20:11 -0500 > From: Byron L. Sonne > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Questions for English Majors > >> My understanding of it is that disc is british and disk is american. I >> personally use disc for spiral track media (usually optical) and disk >> for circular track media (usually magnetic). > > Interesting... I do kind of the same thing, except that I use 'disc' for CD > and DVD, and 'disk' for floppies, etc. In fact, I think the only times I use > 'disk' is specifically when referring to floppies. > > 'Disc', however, is the most correct if one follows the etymology of the word > from the latin root 'discus', which effectively translates to 'dish'. Though > german does have the word 'diskette', so perhaps that's one avenue as to how > 'disk' made it into english (which did start off as a german dialect). The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology says it comes from the French, disque, or _its_ source, the Latin discus. 5.25" floppies were originally (at least they used to be) called floppy diskettes, which could be derived from disc (i.e., a small disc), with the 'c' changed to 'k' to preserve the hard sound. It's possible that diskette was then shortened to disk. Does anyone have any old American references (perhaps old stereo magazines; my collection from the early 70s disappeared in one of my moves) to see what whas used before computer disks became common? -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 00:21:50 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:21:50 -0500 Subject: Where's the time? In-Reply-To: <20050119152222.GR30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501182219.55137.mervc@eol.ca> <20050119152222.GR30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200501191921.50671.mervc@eol.ca> On Wednesday 19 January 2005 10:22, Lennart Sorensen wrote: With all the suggestions, I am now even more red-faced. Thanks all for the suggestions - I assume you saw what a dumb thing happened. My computer didn't go to hawaii, what happened was a spirit came in over night and ran ran hwclock. Nite all. Incidentally SimplyMepis is quite a nice Linux distro, needs a few things yet but Debian users will be quite at home. Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 00:54:14 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:54:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > ...It's possible that diskette was then shortened to disk. Uh, no. Disk drives were disk drives (generally not disc drives, at least not in North America) on computers in the 1950s, long before anyone had heard of diskettes. "Diskette" came from "disk", not vice-versa. My 1975 Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary lists disc as "variant of disk". The original Greek word was diskos (yes, with a K -- the Greek letter kappa). It was Latin that introduced the C form. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 05:17:35 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:17:35 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: ; from gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:57:08AM -0500 References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050120001735.X1269@leftmind.net> Jing Su wrote: > I personally think (yeah, I know my personal opinion means nothing in > the face of proper English) that "disk" should be used as the regular > default unless the media being handled is discus shaped. Hard-drives > are enclosed in nice boxes, so they're "disk". CDs and DVDs can be > thrown, and to a degree fly well, so they get "disc". You've never played with disassembled-hard-drive shuriken, then? Back in the early 1980s the rule of thumb was that if it was writable it was a disk, while nonwritable ones (like Frisbees) were discs. Compact Discs (originally available only as factory-pressed prerecorded media) got the "c" spelling, though the later writable ones stretched the definition. Nowadays one could use "disk" for magnetic media and "disc" for anything else. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 14:02:02 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:02:02 -0500 Subject: Questions for English Majors In-Reply-To: References: <006301c4fe24$3c707fe0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050119151431.GP30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EEEB2B.8090302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41EFB9DA.5000403@rogers.com> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > 5.25" floppies were originally (at least they used to be) called > floppy diskettes, which could be derived from disc (i.e., a small > disc), with the 'c' changed to 'k' to preserve the hard > sound. It's possible that diskette was then shortened to > disk. Does anyone have any old American references (perhaps old > stereo magazines; my collection from the early 70s disappeared in > one of my moves) to see what whas used before computer disks > became common? > I was just browsing through the Jan 1977 issue of Byte magazine. They use the term "disk" for both hard drive and 8" floppies. I believe "diskette" was originally used to refer to the 5.25" in floppies. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 15:37:16 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:16 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050120153716.GU30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 10:59:04PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >When asked to the kernel tends to do a good job, but you can build > >kernels that don't default to turning on DMA. > > Thanks for the reality check ;-) > > I thought all kernels are built without DMA tuning built in in case a > disk is changed and wnats a DMA mode lower than atoselected. If that > happens, there will be trouble. In all systems I have seen so far the > dma was turned on by a script run at boot time. If you are aware of > kernel tuning parameters that allow the kernel itself to turn on DMA > (why would one want that ?), please share them. Well this one for example: CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y in .config seems to do it on debian. Why would someone want to have to add all their disks to a script that runs later in the boot sequence to get dma enabled on their drives when the kernel can run code that looks at the controller abilities, the drive abilities, blacklists, etc, and makes a determination about what mode it should use. The guy that writes the Linux ide code knows a whole lot more about ide than I do. I will let his knowledge and code decide if my drives can do DMA or not (and all my drives can and do use DMA, since I guess I have avoided the few bad drives made somehow). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 17:04:26 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:04:26 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41EFE49A.8010106@utoronto.ca> Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> When asked to the kernel tends to do a good job, but you can build >> kernels that don't default to turning on DMA. > > > Thanks for the reality check ;-) > > I thought all kernels are built without DMA tuning built in in case a > disk is changed and wnats a DMA mode lower than atoselected. If that > happens, there will be trouble. In all systems I have seen so far the > dma was turned on by a script run at boot time. If you are aware of > kernel tuning parameters that allow the kernel itself to turn on DMA > (why would one want that ?), please share them. Sure. In the 2.4 Kernel, just set the CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO flag to yes. Here's the help message in the "menuconfig" help screen for this option: ------------------------------------- Prior to kernel version 2.1.112, Linux used to automatically use DMA for IDE drives and chipsets which support it. Due to concerns about a couple of cases where buggy hardware may have caused damage, the default is now to NOT use DMA automatically. To revert to the previous behaviour, say Y to this question. If you suspect your hardware is at all flakey, say N here. Do NOT email the IDE kernel people regarding this issue! It is normally safe to answer Y to this question unless your motherboard uses a VIA VP2 chipset, in which case you should say N. -------------------------------------- I just checked and the 2.6 Kernel config says the same thing. Best to let the kernel do what it does best. Heck - even Windows seems to get THIS one right most of the time... Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 17:12:17 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <41EFE49A.8010106-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EFE49A.8010106@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <41EFE671.7060600@sympatico.ca> Dave Stubbs wrote: > > Best to let the kernel do what it does best. Heck - even Windows seems > to get THIS one right most of the time... Unless I explicitly issue a hdparm command to enable DMA on both my desktop and laptop, DVDs are unwatchable. There seem to be no side effects from doing this. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 20:36:30 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:36:30 -0500 Subject: enabling DMA on hard drives In-Reply-To: <41EFE671.7060600-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <798716167.20050118101353@rogers.com> <20050118205019.GN30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050119172207.GT30192@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41EFE49A.8010106@utoronto.ca> <41EFE671.7060600@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41F0164E.1030305@utoronto.ca> Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Dave Stubbs wrote: > >> >> Best to let the kernel do what it does best. Heck - even Windows >> seems to get THIS one right most of the time... > > > Unless I explicitly issue a hdparm command to enable DMA on both my > desktop and laptop, DVDs are unwatchable. There seem to be no side > effects from doing this. Likely your kernel does not have the CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO flag enabled, or you have a computer whose IDE chipset is not supported in the default kernel config. I had to rebuild my kernel with extra IDE chipsets selected for a Dell Server (Serverworks chipset) and also for a clone I built with the DFI LanParty motherboard. On both these systems the IDE performance was abysmally slow at the start but when I enabled support for the proper IDE chipset and flagged CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO they sped up vastly, and there were no reliability problems. hdparm was no longer necessary because the kernel automatically enabled DMA during bootup. Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 21:45:43 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:45:43 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help Message-ID: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> I have come across a perl cgi script that i would like to view. I believe that this means I must install Apache. It is something that I have intended to do but never have. I have book from Wiley that I bought but reading the first page it is for Apache2. I have installed Apache 1.33 from Debian mainly because there were a lot of perl modules. My book suggests first to see if it is installed by running /usr/sbin/httpd -v. Maybe this doesn'tapply to ver 1.32. I have no httpd there. Should I install Apache2, do I need anything else from the repository? There doesn't seem to be much, unlike the older version. Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 21:55:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:55:03 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <200501201645.43560.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 04:45:43PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > I have come across a perl cgi script that i would like to view. I believe that > this means I must install Apache. > > It is something that I have intended to do but never have. I have book from > Wiley that I bought but reading the first page it is for Apache2. I have > installed Apache 1.33 from Debian mainly because there were a lot of perl > modules. > > My book suggests first to see if it is installed by running /usr/sbin/httpd > -v. Maybe this doesn'tapply to ver 1.32. I have no httpd there. > > Should I install Apache2, do I need anything else from the repository? There > doesn't seem to be much, unlike the older version. Any web server that supports cgi should be able to be used. apache does have the option of using mod_perl which allows it to do some caching of the perl scripts, although it also breaks some perl scripts that aren't written very carefully/cleanly. apachectl may be a better command to see if apache is installed. Debian doesn't call it httpd, they call the binary apache. dpkg -l apache, to see if it is installed. You can install apache or apache2. Depends what you want. Apache2 has some new features, and some features aren't there yet that apache 1.3 has. Some people don't consider apache2 completely stable yet. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 23:50:27 2005 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 20 Jan 2005 18:50:27 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD Message-ID: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Is FreeBSD kosher here please? -- Wobbly Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 01:22:59 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:22:59 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <87u0pbslrw.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> SlackRat wrote: > Is FreeBSD kosher here please? About as kosher as a ham & cheese sandwich. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 20 20:35:41 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:41 +0000 Subject: which SSL certificate for apache? In-Reply-To: <413F5669.6060000-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com> Message-ID: <200501202035.41311.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Opening up an old thread here, but.. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/2140242 -snip- "a new organization called CAcert aims to provide a community-driven free certificate authority alternative." -snip- https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=1 Watch how this one progresses. -snip- CAcert is not included as a certificate authority in browser distributions. There is talk of including CAcert in Firefox/Mozilla, and talks with commercial browsers are also in the works, but for now the only manner in which to avoid CAcert's lack of certificate authority warning is to manually add it onto each user browser -- an impractical solution if the target audience is users in the wider Internet. -snip- free is good. :) -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 01:38:04 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:38:04 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <87u0pbslrw.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050121013804.GA2292@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 06:50:27PM -0500, SlackRat wrote: >Is FreeBSD kosher here please? Much of what goes on on this list is applicable, but it is not the focus. Try gtabug.ca or gtabug.com (Greater Toronto Area BSD User Group) or google.ca for more targeted advice. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 02:15:50 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <20050120215503.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:55, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Any web server that supports cgi should be able to be used. apache does > have the option of using mod_perl which allows it to do some caching of > the perl scripts, although it also breaks some perl scripts that aren't > written very carefully/cleanly. > > apachectl may be a better command to see if apache is installed. Debian > doesn't call it httpd, they call the binary apache. dpkg -l apache, to > see if it is installed. > Well it wasn't, I had forgotten about an install problem I had several days ago. Everything else that I selected to install [like apache-common] was but the actual apache program wasn't. Here was a case that Synaptic couldn't do the config but plain old apt-get did the job. > You can install apache or apache2. Depends what you want. Apache2 has > some new features, and some features aren't there yet that apache 1.3 > has. Some people don't consider apache2 completely stable yet. > Thanks for the speedy reply. Apache is working and I can see the results of the cgi script. Now to see what I can do with it on my little home lan If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache or will apt-get look after all those details? Regards Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 02:37:34 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:37:34 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <200501202115.50203.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> > If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache or will > apt-get look after all those details? If you want to understand what you are doing, you should compile apache yourself. No, I do not know if apt-get will do the thing and I do not care to know. Or rpm would do? You can always however compile another version and configure it to listen on another port than 80. You may have 64 thousands versions of apache on your machine. I consider all these tricks with apt-get and rpm as a step back in the development of the system and in educating people. It makes also Linux more similar to Windows. I see no big advantage of installing packages over compiling from source code. In both cases people ask questions ;) Questions asked about compiling are more productive. zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 03:15:55 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:15:55 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <200501201645.43560.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200501202215.55548.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:45, Merv Curley wrote: > My book suggests first to see if it is installed ?by running > /usr/sbin/httpd -v. ?Maybe this doesn'tapply to ver 1.32. ?I have no httpd > there. ps is your friend, try ... ps auxw | less You will likely find something quickly that screams apache is running ;-) > Should I install Apache2, do I need anything else from the repository? > ?There doesn't seem to be much, ?unlike the older version. apache and apache2 both support running CGI scripts, it is very unlikely to matter which you choose. You could also install any number of other http servers. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 04:33:12 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:33:12 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <87u0pbslrw.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org>; from ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org on Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 06:50:27PM -0500 References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050120233312.Z1269@leftmind.net> SlackRat wrote: > Is FreeBSD kosher here please? It can be useful at times. I once waved a FreeBSD install diskette in front of a misbehaving Linux server, back in the early days of the aic7xxx driver; it took the hint and started behaving properly. You have to be willing to actually install it if you don't get co-operation, though, in order for the threat to be effective. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 13:57:38 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:57:38 -0500 Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact Message-ID: <41F10A52.50407@rogers.com> Hey all, I was contacted by a recruiter today who's looking for someone with HP/Sun flavours of unix experience. I was hesitant to tell them to post their query directly to the list, figuring it might be bad manners. Is there a standing consensus on what to do in cases like this? Regards, Byron -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 14:13:40 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:13:40 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <200501202115.50203.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050121141340.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 09:15:50PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > Thanks for the speedy reply. Apache is working and I can see the results of > the cgi script. Now to see what I can do with it on my little home lan > > If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache or will > apt-get look after all those details? You can run apache and apache2 at the same time if you want, as long as they aren't both using port 80. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 14:14:48 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:14:48 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F06AEE.8080005-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> Message-ID: <200501210914.49035.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Thursday 20 January 2005 21:37, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I see no big advantage of installing packages > over compiling from source code. In both cases people ask questions ;) > Questions asked about compiling are more productive. If only to increase the speed of installation, wouldn't that be a bonus? If I have to compile software, each time I do an installation for a client, then yes, I'd have more billable hours to charge ;) but I wouldn't be very efficient :p -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 14:18:30 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:18:30 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F06AEE.8080005-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050121141830.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 09:37:34PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > If you want to understand what you are doing, you should compile apache > yourself. Compiling apache teaches you NOTHING about how to configure and use apache. It just teaches you something about hunting down libraies and hoping you get all the right ones in the right versions. it takes one skill set to compile and install code and fix any problems. it is an entirely different skill set to set up a database, or a web server or an email server and make it do what you want. leaving the first one (the compiling) to those with more experience and the time and interest in following the changes of a given program's source saves a lot of time and frustration for those that are more interested in using the program and just configuring it for their needs. > No, I do not know if apt-get will do the thing and I do not care to > know. Or rpm would do? > > You can always however compile another version and configure it to > listen on another port than 80. You may have 64 thousands versions of > apache on your machine. And you can configure any build of apache to run on any port you want. No need to go and compile it yourself for that. > I consider all these tricks with apt-get and rpm as a step back in the > development of the system and in educating people. It makes also Linux > more similar to Windows. I see no big advantage of installing packages > over compiling from source code. In both cases people ask questions ;) > Questions asked about compiling are more productive. Actually it would be a major improvement for windows if it actually had a unified install manager like apt-get/dpkg that actually kepot track of which file belonged to which program and what libraries and versions it needed. The current mess on windows whre people run software from 3rd parties without considering the consequences is just insane. And microsoft encouraging programs to ship updated system libraries is even more insane. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 14:46:57 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:46:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact In-Reply-To: <41F10A52.50407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F10A52.50407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050121144226.O57679@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > Hey all, > > I was contacted by a recruiter today who's looking for someone with HP/Sun > flavours of unix experience. I was hesitant to tell them to post their query > directly to the list, figuring it might be bad manners. > Is there a standing consensus on what to do in cases like this? IMHO one the greatest things a LUG can do is find employment for members. Down at HUMBUG (http://www.humbug.org.au) we have always formerly encouraged posting of legitimate jobs that would be relevant to members. As a contact on the TLUG website I have posted jobs I've received if they appeared to be legit. I haven't received complaints over this. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 15:28:44 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:28:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact In-Reply-To: <41F10A52.50407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F10A52.50407@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > I was contacted by a recruiter today who's looking for someone with > HP/Sun flavours of unix experience. I was hesitant to tell them to post > their query directly to the list, figuring it might be bad manners. > Is there a standing consensus on what to do in cases like this? It's better if you tell him to send *you* a brief email description and you'll post it to the list. An occasional relevant job posting is okay, but it's better not to point a recruiter at the list and say "feel free" -- those guys often have more enthusiasm than judgement. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 15:34:29 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:34:29 -0500 Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F12105.1060802@rogers.com> > It's better if you tell him to send *you* a brief email description and > you'll post it to the list. > An occasional relevant job posting is okay, but it's better not to point a > recruiter at the list and say "feel free" -- those guys often have more > enthusiasm than judgement. Totally, but I'm off to England for a week as of 14:00 today for a couple PWEI reunifications shows (w00t!) and I'm staying away from email so I can't mediate comunnications. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 15:37:21 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:21 -0500 Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact In-Reply-To: <20050121144226.O57679-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41F10A52.50407@rogers.com> <20050121144226.O57679@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41F121B1.9030403@rogers.com> > IMHO one the greatest things a LUG can do is find employment for > members. I agree! FSC was hilarious... walking in the door and finding two people that knew me, one from tlug, one from gtabug :) Either that or eerie! Since the person who contacted me said "If you or anyone you know is interested and qualify for this role, please feel free to contact me via email", I believe that counts as opening the door, and I'm gonna walk through it then. Folks I'm not responsible for anything here, I'm not affiliated with this place in any way, not dishwasher safe, keep away from open flame, etc... -Eagle Professional Resources -Unix Systems Administrator (with HP and Sun flavor) -top tier clients [btw I dunno what is meant by 'top tier'... -ed.] -contract duration is initially for three months with a possibility of an extension. -Assignment location is in North York Contact info:Pearl Famoso Technical Recruiter Eagle Professional Resources, Inc. (EAGLE) High Altitude Staffing http://www.eagleonline.com Tel: 416.861.1492 Ext. 2324 Fax: 416.861.8401 Toll Free: 800.281.2339 67 Yonge Street, Suite 200 Toronto ON M5E 1J8 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 16:03:55 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:03:55 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <200501202215.55548.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <200501202215.55548.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200501211103.55694.mervc@eol.ca> On Thursday 20 January 2005 22:15, Fraser Campbell wrote Thanks to all for the advice and opinions. It seems that the more I learn the less I know. I will now sit down with my Apache guide and see what it has to say. I foolishly thought that Apache was the be all and end all for http servers. Obviously like everything in Linux there are many solutions for any problem. Cheerio all merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 16:29:10 2005 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:29:10 -0500 Subject: Slightly OT: PWEI (Was Re:manners re: recuiter mailing list contact) In-Reply-To: <41F12105.1060802-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F12105.1060802@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501211129.10975.sniffy@rogers.com> On January 21, 2005 10:34 am, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > Totally, but I'm off to England for a week as of 14:00 today for a > couple PWEI reunifications shows (w00t!) and I'm staying away from email > so I can't mediate comunnications. WTF? No way! Man I loved them back in the day. Have they released anything new? I haven't heard of anything since Dos Dedos Mes Amigos. Hope you have a good time over there -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 17:39:15 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:39:15 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <20050103080851.H76069-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> <20050103055121.O76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41D8F0BE.7010006@almatau.com> <20050103080851.H76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <1106329155.41f13e433de0a@www.almatau.com> Quoting Robert Brockway : > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: > > > Source quench, for instance, can be a used for a an effective DoS attack. > > You still need to guess the TCP sequence number to Source Quench a TCP > stream. If you want to Source Quench many streams you must guess many > sequence numbers. If an attacker can guess sequences numbers all sorts of > evil is possible. > > I just found this: > > RFC 1009 (gateway requirements): > > All gateways must contain code for sending ICMP Source Quench > messages when they are forced to drop IP datagrams due to > congestion. Although the Source Quench mechanism is known to > be an imperfect means for Internet congestion control, and > research towards more effective means is in progress, Source > Quench is considered to be too valuable to omit from production > gateways. > > > Blocking ICMP traffic through the firewall is one of common security > > But we can be very selective about what ICMP types we want to block (as > noted in the discussion so far). It really does suck to block certain > ICMP types - eg, icmp-destination-unreachable. Sending machines get > insufficient information back about the hosts they are trying to connect > to. This results in mail delays, problems debugging network issues, and > lots of other fun. > I've just received a list of RH security updates: ------------- Red Hat Security Advisory: A recent Internet Draft by Fernando Gont recommended that ICMP Source Quench messages be ignored by hosts. A patch to ignore these messages is included. ------------- This can be found on Here is the draft they mention: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gont-tcpm-icmp-attacks-03.txt ... 7.1.1 Description The Host requirements RFC states hosts MUST react to ICMP Source Quench messages by slowing transmission on the connection. Thus, an attacker could send ICMP Source Quench (type 4, code 0) messages to a TCP endpoint to make it reduce the rate at which it sends data to the other party. While this would not reset the connection, it would certainly degrade the performance of the data transfer taking place over it. 7.1.2 Attack-specific counter-measures The Host Requirements RFC [4] states that hosts MUST react to ICMP Source Quench messages by slowing transmission on the connection. However, as discussed in the Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers RFC [5], research seems to suggest ICMP Source Quench is an ineffective (and unfair) antidote for congestion. Thus, we recommend hosts to completely ignore ICMP Source Quench messages. ... ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 19:59:43 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:59:43 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F06AEE.8080005-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> Message-ID: <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >> If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache >> or will apt-get look after all those details? > > No, I do not know if apt-get will do the thing and I do not care to > know. Or rpm would do? Yes, apt-get will look after all those details. I don't know if apache and apache2 can co-exist on the same box these days. I suspect they can, but haven't actually tried it recently. All other things being equal, you probably want to run apache2. > You can always however compile another version and configure it to > listen on another port than 80. You may have 64 thousands versions of > apache on your machine. Actually, any pre-compiled binary of apache I've ever worked with can be configured to run on non-default ports. Merv, take a look in /etc/apache2/ports.conf on debian for apache2. Compiling a binary just to change the default port would be a pretty ignorant thing to do. Not to mention a waste of time. > I consider all these tricks with apt-get and rpm as a step back in the > development of the system and in educating people. It makes also Linux > more similar to Windows. If by that you're talking about how Windows has lowered the bar for entry and made it easy for newbies to get started using the system, then I think there could be no greater compliment to Linux. If you meant it as an insult, which it sounds like you did, then clearly you don't know what you're talking about. There are situations where compiling from scratch is an unavoidable necessity. They are few and far between. > I see no big advantage of installing packages > over compiling from source code. Then clearly your experience is limited to running a hobby box or possibly admining a toy system. Anyone who considers their time valuable knows the advantages of pre-compiled binaries. Anyone who's ever tried to install a package with inter-related dependencies knows the value of a package management system. And if you still fail to appreciate the value of a package management system, try upgrading a package which is already in place. Building good binaries is not a trivial skill. To do it right for any non-trivial package requires a lot of time spent learning the peculiarities of that package. The simple fact is that there are way more software packages on the average system than anyone can learn. In this case, the package maintainer for the distribution almost certainly will make a better binary than you will. > In both cases people ask questions ;) > Questions asked about compiling are more productive. I don't understand exactly how you define productive. To my mind, questions asked about compiling belong on the mailing list for the software being compiled. They certainly are not appropriate for a general list such as this. > Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions > Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking > Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 > Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Jack of all trades, master of none? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 20:11:45 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:11:45 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F15F2F.8020000-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <1106338305.41f16201082aa@www.almatau.com> Quoting Andrew Hammond : > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > >> If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache > >> or will apt-get look after all those details? > > > > No, I do not know if apt-get will do the thing and I do not care to > > know. Or rpm would do? > > Yes, apt-get will look after all those details. I don't know if apache > and apache2 can co-exist on the same box these days. I suspect they can, > but haven't actually tried it recently. All other things being equal, > you probably want to run apache2. Yes, apache servers can co-exists, running on different ports, and apt-get will allow installation of both. But some other packages like php can't. If you 'apt-get install' php4 for apache2, one for apache1.3 will be uninstalled. I guess situation will be the same for all third-party apache modules and extensions. Ilya. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 21 20:11:40 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:11:40 -0500 Subject: Jabber Server Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFE1@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> I was wanting to download the jabber server for testing purposes, but the jabber.org website and associated sites are down for now. Does anyone know where I can download jabberd 2? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 04:08:14 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:08:14 -0500 Subject: manners re: recuiter mailing list contact In-Reply-To: <41F121B1.9030403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F10A52.50407@rogers.com> <20050121144226.O57679@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41F121B1.9030403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501212308.15042.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 21 January 2005 10:37, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > -top tier clients [btw I dunno what is meant by 'top tier'... -ed.] I think it means clients so large that simple jobs involve weeks of figuring out requirements and maneuvering around red tape ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 17:26:06 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:26:06 -0500 Subject: Fijitsu Harddrive & used computer store Message-ID: Hi all! I just have a defective hard drive that I believe I can recomer if I can get my hands on a controller card to replace the defective one. I have a Fujitsu M1638TAU. I think it's a gig or two. Anyhow, does anyone happen to have one of those nearby or would knwo of a computer store that would sell these old drives? Thanks a bunch! Martin Duclos -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 20:47:09 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:47:09 -0500 Subject: Jabber Server In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFE1-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFE1@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <200501221547.09479.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 21 January 2005 15:11, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I was wanting to download the jabber server for testing purposes, but the > jabber.org website and associated sites are down for now. > > Does anyone know where I can download jabberd 2? Not sure how up to date this version is but you can always download source from Debian mirrors, here's one such URL: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jabberd2/jabberd2_2.0s6.orig.tar.gz -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 22 22:46:34 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:46:34 -0500 Subject: ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050115153941.49985.qmail-RBcsy8tZQmaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>; from kb2spp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:39:41AM -0800 References: <20050115153941.49985.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050122174634.B14760@ee.ryerson.ca> Juan - As it turns out, Pathcom are offering a BB0060 modem for ethernet (lan) connection to this machine. It's useful to know it's working with Debian, that is encouraging. Looks like a good route to go. Thanks for the suggestion. Peter On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:39:41AM -0800, Juan R wrote: > Peter: > > I do have a GVC BB0060A working fine with Debian, however is an ethernet base (RJ-45) so may be my feedback could be not the proper one for the issue you are facing now. > > Are you able to access the GUI screen ? if so, go to Admin -> Diagnostic and check the output. > > What mode are you using? MPoA (RFC1483) or PPPoE (RFC2516) ? > > Do not change the VCI and VPI values. The default ones are VPI=0 and VCI=35 > > However if you are not able to access the GUI at all, I think you should take a look to the /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages files to see if at least the modem is reported as unknown or may be not even recognized. > > As far I know there is not driver for the device because is USB based. Now have you tried to set the modem up under windows?..,just to check that the device is working fine. A friend of mine, set the modem up as a Bridge under windows, saved the settings, unplugged it from the windows machine and plugged back in to the Linux box and the rp-pppoe software built-in in the linux server did the connection. > > I hope my feedback could give you any solution. > > Sorry for answering off the list but my e-mail address is reported as spam :( > > Juan Rico > > > > > > > ------------ > Juan M. Rico > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do? -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 03:51:25 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:51:25 -0500 Subject: Jabber Server Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFE9@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> thanks Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Fraser Campbell Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Jabber Server On Friday 21 January 2005 15:11, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I was wanting to download the jabber server for testing purposes, but the > jabber.org website and associated sites are down for now. > > Does anyone know where I can download jabberd 2? Not sure how up to date this version is but you can always download source from Debian mirrors, here's one such URL: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jabberd2/jabberd2_2.0s6.orig.tar.gz -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 18:19:42 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:42 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <41F05973.4030508-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050123181942.D13A1487D@cbbrowne.com> > SlackRat wrote: > > Is FreeBSD kosher here please? > > About as kosher as a ham & cheese sandwich. ;-) I'd wonder why. The vast majority of the software included with the FreeBSD kernel is the very same free software that is commonly included with the Linux kernel. The "impertinant" questions would be those relating to either the kernel or to the specifics of how *BSD packaging works. The vast majority of questions that hit the list aren't about the Linux equivalents to those things. When the questions _are_ related to software, they more often than not relate to software that is no more "part of Linux" than it is "part of FreeBSD." -- output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "gmail.com") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/oses.html How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 21:52:24 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:52:24 -0500 Subject: Suse Linux and GVC ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050118145019.GK30192-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41EC45BC.5050404@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <41F3D648.24079.48ABDC@localhost> Maybe this has something to do with your difficulties. RickT http://secunia.com/advisories/11911/ Linksys BEFSR41 Connection Handling Denial of Service Secunia Advisory:SA11911Print Advisory Release Date:2004-06-21 Critical: Less criticalImpact:DoS Where:From local network Solution Status:Unpatched OS:Linksys BEF series routers Select a product and view a complete list of all Patched/Unpatched Secunia advisories affecting it. Description: Paul Kurczaba has reported a security issue in Linksys BEFSR41, which can be exploited by malicious people to cause a DoS (Denial of Service). The issue is caused due to an error in the connection handling, which can be exploited to block legitimate access to the administrative web interface by establishing a single connection. This prevents further connections from being established. Solution: Allow only trusted IP addresses to connect to administrative interfaces. Provided and/or discovered by: Paul Kurczaba Original Advisory: http://www.kurczaba.com/securityadvisories/0406212.htm Please note: The information, which this Secunia Advisory is based upon, comes from third party unless stated otherwise. Secunia collects, validates, and verifies all vulnerability reports issued by security research groups, vendors, and others. On 18 Jan 2005 at 9:50, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 06:09:48PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > > I've unfortunately had the same experience, although I still consider it > > less of a hassle than setting up PPPoE. I think once I find the time to > > load an alternate ROM on it, it'll be more stable (or at least I'll get > > to find out what the problem is). Actually, you can get the full kernel > > logs from the router using the 'snmp' protocol and programs like 'snmpd' > > with 'snmptrapfmt'. That way you can find out what's wrong. > > > > Maybe you could try updating your firmware, I think it helped me a little. > > Well I have updated the firmware many times and it doesn't really seem > to make any difference at all. > > And there doesn't appear to be alternative firmware for a BEFSR41. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 23:38:40 2005 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:38:40 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20050123181942.D13A1487D-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> <20050123181942.D13A1487D@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: Allow me to push this a little further: is Mac OS X kosher? I am thinking of buying an iBook. They're durable, they Just Work (TM), they look good, and they run Unix. Certainly nobody would be offened if I brought one to a meeting for my own use. I don't think anyone would mind if I wrote asking for help with a Bash or Python script that I'd written, or if I was confused by some facet of GCC, or was having trouble configuring Apache (Unix is Unix is Unix). I haven't been here for very long but I don't think there would be much difference if this was TGLUG (for GNU/Linux) or TGUG (just GNU) or TFUUG (free Unices?) or even TBUG (*BSD). I mean, Linux (the kernel) is awesome but you can't talk about it all day (LKML exists for a reason, right?) On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:42 -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > SlackRat wrote: > > > Is FreeBSD kosher here please? > > > > About as kosher as a ham & cheese sandwich. ;-) > > I'd wonder why. > > The vast majority of the software included with the FreeBSD kernel is > the very same free software that is commonly included with the Linux > kernel. > > The "impertinant" questions would be those relating to either the kernel > or to the specifics of how *BSD packaging works. The vast majority of > questions that hit the list aren't about the Linux equivalents to those > things. When the questions _are_ related to software, they more often > than not relate to software that is no more "part of Linux" than it is > "part of FreeBSD." > -- > output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "gmail.com") > http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/oses.html > How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 23 23:59:41 2005 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:59:41 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F15F2F.8020000-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org>; from ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org on Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 02:59:43PM -0500 References: <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20050123185941.G1269@leftmind.net> Andrew Hammond wrote: > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > ... There are situations where compiling from > scratch is an unavoidable necessity. They are few and far between. > > > I see no big advantage of installing packages > > over compiling from source code. > > Then clearly your experience is limited to running a hobby box or > possibly admining a toy system. Anyone who considers their time valuable > knows the advantages of pre-compiled binaries. ... *Most* of the time you can get away with a distro's prebuilt binaries. Inevitably you run up to the point that it isn't all the time. The most important exception I've run into is with build-time options. Old-school software developers will have config options, or files you have to edit before doing a "make", and various choices get linked into the binary you're building. The new-school ideal (which would pertain to the Linux-distro era; commercial software will have already dealt with this, but opensource didn't have to in the good old days) is to read everything from runtime config files and be able to do one-size-fits-all binaries with no embedded configuration choices. However, inevitably you're going to run into an old-school project whose binary packager made decisions you're now regretting, and you have to rebuild. The last time I ran into this was only a year or so ago, and involved Squid support for all-in-memory-don't-touch-disk caching and for larger numbers of file descriptors not being enabled in the RH9 RPM. There's also the case of key packages one's business model is built around; you want to keep a weather eye to the developers' list for it, and probably at least look at how your packager is doing it up for your distro, though hopefully all runs smoothly and you don't have to rebuild anything. Finally, there's the case of people not wanting to upgrade eg. an RH5 box long past its best-before date, due to various entanglements, and since nobody else wants to support it, one ends up having to build one's own RPMs of any security patches one needs. > Jack of all trades, master of none? That's the core sysadmin conundrum; you have to be a journeyman at everything from coding to software building to router config to cabling to UPS-battery changing to dealing with telcos to political infighting; you have to keep your head above water in too many places at once. Being a journeyman means being competent at what you're doing, and is nothing to apologize for, but can be frustrating when you feel that you have it in you to be a master at something if you could just offload the rest and focus on one thing. But then you run into masters who are wizardly at one thing and shockingly ignorant of something else that you've got covered. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 00:50:54 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:50:54 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> <20050123181942.D13A1487D@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <4386c5b2050123165054582c80@mail.gmail.com> Correct. I'm lovin' life with my sweet sweet 15-inch Powerbook G4. And Fedora Core 3 is purrin' away on my home server. Life rocks, and I'll listen to any post about either OS any day. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:38:40 -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > Allow me to push this a little further: > is Mac OS X kosher? > > I am thinking of buying an iBook. They're durable, they Just Work > (TM), they look good, and they run Unix. Certainly nobody would be > offened if I brought one to a meeting for my own use. I don't think > anyone would mind if I wrote asking for help with a Bash or Python > script that I'd written, or if I was confused by some facet of GCC, or > was having trouble configuring Apache (Unix is Unix is Unix). > > I haven't been here for very long but I don't think there would be > much difference if this was TGLUG (for GNU/Linux) or TGUG (just GNU) > or TFUUG (free Unices?) or even TBUG (*BSD). I mean, Linux (the > kernel) is awesome but you can't talk about it all day (LKML exists > for a reason, right?) > > > On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:19:42 -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > SlackRat wrote: > > > > Is FreeBSD kosher here please? > > > > > > About as kosher as a ham & cheese sandwich. ;-) > > > > I'd wonder why. > > > > The vast majority of the software included with the FreeBSD kernel is > > the very same free software that is commonly included with the Linux > > kernel. > > > > The "impertinant" questions would be those relating to either the kernel > > or to the specifics of how *BSD packaging works. The vast majority of > > questions that hit the list aren't about the Linux equivalents to those > > things. When the questions _are_ related to software, they more often > > than not relate to software that is no more "part of Linux" than it is > > "part of FreeBSD." > > -- > > output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "gmail.com") > > http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/oses.html > > How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees? > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- > Get Firefox - Take back the Web > http://www.getfirefox.com/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 02:57:47 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:57:47 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20050123181942.D13A1487D-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> <20050123181942.D13A1487D@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41F4642B.3@rogers.com> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >>SlackRat wrote: >> >>>Is FreeBSD kosher here please? >> >>About as kosher as a ham & cheese sandwich. ;-) > > > I'd wonder why. > > The vast majority of the software included with the FreeBSD kernel is > the very same free software that is commonly included with the Linux > kernel. I guess you missed the ";-)" in my message. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 02:32:49 2005 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:32:49 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <41F15F2F.8020000-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20050124023249.1022F488E@cbbrowne.com> > Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > > >> If I want to see how Apache2 works etc., do I have to uninstall Apache > >> or will apt-get look after all those details? > > > > No, I do not know if apt-get will do the thing and I do not care to > > know. Or rpm would do? > > Yes, apt-get will look after all those details. I don't know if apache > and apache2 can co-exist on the same box these days. I suspect they can, > but haven't actually tried it recently. All other things being equal, > you probably want to run apache2. It looks as though they can, at least as far as dependancies are concerned... cbbrowne at wolfe:compiles/slony1-engine/src/backend> sudo apt-get install apache apache2 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: apache-common apache-utils apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker libexpat1 libexpat1-dev Suggested packages: apache-doc apache-ssl apache-perl libapache-mod-auth-mysql libapache-mod-auth-pgsql apache2-doc The following NEW packages will be installed: apache apache-common apache-utils apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker The following packages will be upgraded: libexpat1 libexpat1-dev 2 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 646 not upgraded. Need to get 2771kB of archives. After unpacking 8323kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] > > You can always however compile another version and configure it to > > listen on another port than 80. You may have 64 thousands versions of > > apache on your machine. > > Actually, any pre-compiled binary of apache I've ever worked with can be > configured to run on non-default ports. Merv, take a look in > /etc/apache2/ports.conf on debian for apache2. > > Compiling a binary just to change the default port would be a pretty > ignorant thing to do. Not to mention a waste of time. Yeah, the sort of reason that would _actually_ justify compiling Apache from scratch would be if you needed to have the source code around in order to compile some extension, some mod_frobozz system... > > I consider all these tricks with apt-get and rpm as a step back in the > > development of the system and in educating people. It makes also Linux > > more similar to Windows. > If by that you're talking about how Windows has lowered the bar for > entry and made it easy for newbies to get started using the system, > then I think there could be no greater compliment to Linux. If you > meant it as an insult, which it sounds like you did, then clearly you > don't know what you're talking about. There are situations where > compiling from scratch is an unavoidable necessity. They are few and > far between. I have to point out the Slony-I replication system as a conspicuous example. A number of Windows folk are enquiring about its availability on Windows, but they are demonstrating themselves to be helpless to be capable of supporting it in that it needs to be compiled, and they start by saying "... and I can't compile on my platform." I think it's important to see the merits of using compiled binaries. But the complete inability to compile software demonstrates a vital "point of helplessness." The difference _isn't_ that those that choose to install precompiled things are, by virtue of that, helpless, and those that compile things aren't. Rather, having the choice available is "power," whereas not having the choice implies a lack thereof. -- (reverse (concatenate 'string "moc.liamg" "@" "enworbbc")) http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html If you're sending someone some Styrofoam, what do you pack it in? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kb2spp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 15:25:01 2005 From: kb2spp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Juan R) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:25:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: ADSL Modem In-Reply-To: <20050122174634.B14760-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050122174634.B14760@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050124152501.37234.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com> Peter: that's nice to know that at least you had another reliable option. Let me know if you have any problems with the BB0060 but I think the setup will go through without issues. Juan Peter Hiscocks wrote: Juan - As it turns out, Pathcom are offering a BB0060 modem for ethernet (lan) connection to this machine. It's useful to know it's working with Debian, that is encouraging. Looks like a good route to go. Thanks for the suggestion. Peter On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:39:41AM -0800, Juan R wrote: > Peter: > > I do have a GVC BB0060A working fine with Debian, however is an ethernet base (RJ-45) so may be my feedback could be not the proper one for the issue you are facing now. > > Are you able to access the GUI screen ? if so, go to Admin -> Diagnostic and check the output. > > What mode are you using? MPoA (RFC1483) or PPPoE (RFC2516) ? > > Do not change the VCI and VPI values. The default ones are VPI=0 and VCI=35 > > However if you are not able to access the GUI at all, I think you should take a look to the /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages files to see if at least the modem is reported as unknown or may be not even recognized. > > As far I know there is not driver for the device because is USB based. Now have you tried to set the modem up under windows?..,just to check that the device is working fine. A friend of mine, set the modem up as a Bridge under windows, saved the settings, unplugged it from the windows machine and plugged back in to the Linux box and the rp-pppoe software built-in in the linux server did the connection. > > I hope my feedback could give you any solution. > > Sorry for answering off the list but my e-mail address is reported as spam :( > > Juan Rico > > > > > > > ------------ > Juan M. Rico > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do? -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ------------ Juan M. Rico --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ?? Try My Yahoo! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 15:58:46 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:58:46 -0500 Subject: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <87u0pbslrw.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41F05973.4030508@rogers.com> <20050123181942.D13A1487D@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20050124155846.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 06:38:40PM -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > Allow me to push this a little further: > is Mac OS X kosher? > > I am thinking of buying an iBook. They're durable, they Just Work > (TM), they look good, and they run Unix. Certainly nobody would be > offened if I brought one to a meeting for my own use. I don't think > anyone would mind if I wrote asking for help with a Bash or Python > script that I'd written, or if I was confused by some facet of GCC, or > was having trouble configuring Apache (Unix is Unix is Unix). > > I haven't been here for very long but I don't think there would be > much difference if this was TGLUG (for GNU/Linux) or TGUG (just GNU) > or TFUUG (free Unices?) or even TBUG (*BSD). I mean, Linux (the > kernel) is awesome but you can't talk about it all day (LKML exists > for a reason, right?) Well I know a few people that have iBook's. One of them got it, then after a month or so he added Debian to it with a dual boot setup. After using that for a bit he decided Linux just wasn't as complete and cleanly integrated as Mac OS X felt so he went back to using OS X mainly. That lasted another couple of months before the limitations of Mac OS X became too much and he just had to get back to an OS that would let him do everything he wanted. I suspect the extra few months may also have made the Linux support for the machine better. Mac OS X is not bad, but it's not Linux either. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 16:05:29 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:29 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <1106338305.41f16201082aa-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> <1106338305.41f16201082aa@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050124160529.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 03:11:45PM -0500, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Yes, apache servers can co-exists, running on different ports, and apt-get will > allow installation of both. But some other packages like php can't. If you > 'apt-get install' php4 for apache2, one for apache1.3 will be uninstalled. I > guess situation will be the same for all third-party apache modules and > extensions. On sarge I have both libapache-mod-php4 and libapache2-mod-php4 installed at the same time. Seems to work great. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 16:02:33 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:02:33 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Linux distributors warn of security vulnerabilities, issue fixes In-Reply-To: <41F3D1FC.5460.37E44F@localhost> References: <41F3D1FC.5460.37E44F@localhost> Message-ID: <20050124160232.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 04:34:04PM -0500, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: [snip] > Red Hat had two advisories, warning that users' systems could be > compromised by maliciously altered PDF or TIFF image files. One > concerned an update that fixes a potential vulnerability in the > LibTIFF library on Red Hat systems. The vulnerability could > allow a malicious user to execute arbitrary code on a Linux > machine via a specially crafted TIFF image file. An application > linked to the LibTIFF library could be tricked into running > code. The vulnerabilities affect several versions of Red Hat > Enterprise Server, Advanced Server and Advanced Workstation for > 32- and 64-bit Intel processors. [snip] Hmm, when did they actually fix these and release the fixes. I thought these were fixed in late December (at least that is when Debian released fixes for these problems). Doesn't seem much like news a month later. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 16:13:16 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:13:16 -0500 Subject: Debian - Apache help In-Reply-To: <20050124023249.1022F488E-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <200501201645.43560.mervc@eol.ca> <20050120215503.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200501202115.50203.mervc@eol.ca> <41F06AEE.8080005@istop.com> <41F15F2F.8020000@ca.afilias.info> <20050124023249.1022F488E@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20050124161316.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 09:32:49PM -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > Yeah, the sort of reason that would _actually_ justify compiling Apache > from scratch would be if you needed to have the source code around in > order to compile some extension, some mod_frobozz system... It would appear the package apache-dev provides the files requried to build extensions that work with the binary package of apache. > I have to point out the Slony-I replication system as a conspicuous > example. A number of Windows folk are enquiring about its availability > on Windows, but they are demonstrating themselves to be helpless to be > capable of supporting it in that it needs to be compiled, and they start > by saying "... and I can't compile on my platform." > > I think it's important to see the merits of using compiled binaries. > > But the complete inability to compile software demonstrates a vital > "point of helplessness." Or the problems of a platform that doesn't include developments tools by default. > The difference _isn't_ that those that choose to install precompiled > things are, by virtue of that, helpless, and those that compile things > aren't. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 16:55:31 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:55:31 -0500 Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations Message-ID: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am looking to mirror mulptiple disks from a single source. I have thought about using 'dd' but I can't find anything telling yea or neh if this will work: 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd' Would this work? If not, can anyone recommend an effective way to mirrow a disk when the hard drives are identical (so partitions don't need to be resized)? Thanks all! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:09:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:09:36 -0500 Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <41F52883.5080207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124170936.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:55:31AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking to mirror mulptiple disks from a single source. I have > thought about using 'dd' but I can't find anything telling yea or neh if > this will work: > > 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd' > > Would this work? If not, can anyone recommend an effective way to > mirrow a disk when the hard drives are identical (so partitions don't > need to be resized)? Thanks all! Something like this might work: dd if=/dev/sda | tee >(dd of=/dev/sdb) | tee >(dd of=/dev/sdc) | dd of=/dev/sdd I didn't test it, but it ought to work. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:12:03 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:12:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <41F52883.5080207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124171203.44927.qmail@web88009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I suggest using rsync to do this. It's a great tool and secure as well depending on how you set it up. Have a look. http://linuxgazette.net/104/odonovan.html Madison Kelly wrote: Hi all, I am looking to mirror mulptiple disks from a single source. I have thought about using 'dd' but I can't find anything telling yea or neh if this will work: 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd' Would this work? If not, can anyone recommend an effective way to mirrow a disk when the hard drives are identical (so partitions don't need to be resized)? Thanks all! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:10:57 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <41F52883.5080207-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124170552.Q86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking to mirror mulptiple disks from a single source. I have thought > about using 'dd' but I can't find anything telling yea or neh if this will > work: > > 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd' What is wrong with this? DISKS="sdb sdc sdd" for I in $DISKS do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev$I & done This is actually more typing than repeating the dd command manually. One assumes the originating filesystem is not changing during the process. If it is (which would be undesirable) better alternatives exist, such as: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:15:27 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <20050124170552.Q86934-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> <20050124170552.Q86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050124171453.F86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > DISKS="sdb sdc sdd" > for I in $DISKS > do > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev$I & > done Woops, typo: DISKS="sdb sdc sdd" for I in $DISKS do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/$I & done Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:47:18 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:47:18 -0500 Subject: MySql Lost... Message-ID: <41F534A6.1080506@alteeve.com> It appears that a server someone else set-up has lost one of it's MySql databases. Some time back, they set-up a Tomcat server talking to MySql using a database called Library. Today MySql reports no such DB... This is causing Tomcat fits (And a client too...) Is there a way to re-find this db? Or am I S.o.l.? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:54:26 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:54:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: MySql Lost... In-Reply-To: <41F534A6.1080506-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F534A6.1080506@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124175008.L86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Lance F. Squire wrote: > It appears that a server someone else set-up has lost one of it's MySql > databases. > > Some time back, they set-up a Tomcat server talking to MySql using a database > called Library. > > Today MySql reports no such DB... Can you login to mysql using the username/password that your app is using? eg: mysql -u bob -p See if you can see the database: show databases; If so, try to go into the database: use yourdatabasename; If it is really gone then you can recover from a mysql dump file if you have one. I normally run mysqldump daily to get a text dump of the DB and then make sure it is caught in the backup. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:59:25 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:59:25 -0500 Subject: MySql Lost... Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFF5@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Do you have backups? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Lance F. Squire Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:47 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: MySql Lost... It appears that a server someone else set-up has lost one of it's MySql databases. Some time back, they set-up a Tomcat server talking to MySql using a database called Library. Today MySql reports no such DB... This is causing Tomcat fits (And a client too...) Is there a way to re-find this db? Or am I S.o.l.? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 18:19:44 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:19:44 -0500 Subject: MySql Lost... In-Reply-To: <20050124175008.L86934-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41F534A6.1080506@alteeve.com> <20050124175008.L86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41F53C40.40202@alteeve.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > Can you login to mysql using the username/password that your app is using? > > eg: > > mysql -u bob -p > > See if you can see the database: > > show databases; > Shows no such database... > If so, try to go into the database: > > use yourdatabasename; > > If it is really gone then you can recover from a mysql dump file if you > have one. I normally run mysqldump daily to get a text dump of the DB > and then make sure it is caught in the backup. > > Rob > I normly keep dumps of my Postgres dbs too. Unfortunatly, I inhereted this situation. Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 18:15:08 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:15:08 -0500 Subject: MySql Lost... In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFF5-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFF5@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <41F53B2C.5020009@alteeve.com> Wil McGilvery wrote: > Do you have backups? > > Regards, > > Wil McGilvery Some things were regularily backed-up from that server, but not that. And I can find no dumps of the db. Thanks. Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:31:04 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:31:04 -0500 Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <20050124170936.GH31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> <20050124170936.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050124193104.GB5957@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:09:36PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:55:31AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am looking to mirror mulptiple disks from a single source. I have > > thought about using 'dd' but I can't find anything telling yea or neh if > > this will work: > > > > 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd' > > > > Would this work? If not, can anyone recommend an effective way to > > mirrow a disk when the hard drives are identical (so partitions don't > > need to be resized)? Thanks all! > > Something like this might work: > > dd if=/dev/sda | tee >(dd of=/dev/sdb) | tee >(dd of=/dev/sdc) | dd of=/dev/sdd > > I didn't test it, but it ought to work. More simply: dd if=/dev/sda | tee /dev/sdb /dev/sdc > /dev/sdd You'd only need to have the separate dd processes for each target if the dd was doing something more than copying the data, like converting ASCII to EBCDIC, or ensuring that the output had a specific blocksize (for a tape device, perhaps). tee copies its input as many times as it needs for the arguments provided (plus one for its standard output). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 18:43:15 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:43:15 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 Message-ID: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> Hi all, I just made a royal screw up and I need some serious help! I meant to run 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1' and instead ran 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1'. Oh sh!t moment.. I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is there a way to recover the file system? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:05:51 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:05:51 -0500 Subject: Emergency Message-ID: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is > there a way to recover the file system? > If you did it with Knoppix and you are sure that the drive hasn't been affected then a complete shutdown of the machine will kill Knoppix and anything that is residing in its memory buffers.Knoppix does its permanent writes when the shutdown sequence is initiated (if you haven't saved the changes already). "Pulling the plug" on the machine will prevent that and in this case it should leave the original file system intact. YMMV John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:17:04 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:17:04 -0500 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:05:51 -0500, John McGregor wrote: > If you did it with Knoppix and you are sure that the drive hasn't been affected > then a complete shutdown of the machine will kill Knoppix and anything that is > residing in its memory buffers.Knoppix does its permanent writes when the shutdown > sequence is initiated (if you haven't saved the changes already). "Pulling the plug" > on the machine will prevent that and in this case it should leave the original file > system intact. YMMV I _highly_ suspect that mkfs does proper fsyncing to ensure that when the command completes, the writes have actually been made to disk. And since this drive was probably formatted by an identical command, it's likely that all of the copies of the superblock are toast. The data are 99% likely to still be entirely intact. But you just lost your roadmap. Finding the data in sane, cohesive "files" will be tricky. I once reconstructed JPEG files from my digital camera when they were 'accidentally' erased (i.e. there was a bug in iPhoto; this was nearly two years ago), but that was for a FAT filesystem with a very simple access pattern (lay files down, delete all, repeat). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:11:04 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050124190618.P86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, John McGregor wrote: > If you did it with Knoppix and you are sure that the drive hasn't been > affected then a complete shutdown of the machine will kill Knoppix and > anything that is residing in its memory buffers.Knoppix does its The mkfs will still have hit disk (specifically whatever /dev/hda1 was referencing). I think Madison is saying Knoppix hasn't copied anything to the new filesystem. > permanent writes when the shutdown sequence is initiated (if you haven't > saved the changes already). "Pulling the plug" on the machine will > prevent that and in this case it should leave the original file system > intact. YMMV You can prevent a write to the disk by killing the power before the buffercache is flushed, but you need to be fast. Metadata was flushing after no more than 5 seconds last time I checked. OTOH the nature of a mkfs would make even this impossible. mkfs does go back and look at its handiwork before saying all is ok. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:21:01 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:21:01 -0500 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41F54A9D.9020409@alteeve.com> John McGregor wrote: >>I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is >>there a way to recover the file system? >> > > > If you did it with Knoppix and you are sure that the drive hasn't been affected > then a complete shutdown of the machine will kill Knoppix and anything that is > residing in its memory buffers.Knoppix does its permanent writes when the shutdown > sequence is initiated (if you haven't saved the changes already). "Pulling the plug" > on the machine will prevent that and in this case it should leave the original file > system intact. YMMV > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > I was root when I did this, and I did just kill the system (held the power button until it shut down). Does it not write the data out right away when the command is issued as root? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:21:52 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F541C3.4020509-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is there a > way to recover the file system? As Taavi points out a reconstruction may be possible. The tool dumpe2fs is provided for your convenience. You are better off dding a copy of the filesystem and attempting recovery from the dd image, only going back to the disk to get new copies to try stuff on. Can I just say that today we've seen a disappearing MySQL DB and a trashed filesystem. Even on SAGE lists I see a call every couple of weeks for help with recovery. There is no substitute for off-site backups for keeping away all sorts of ills. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:29:27 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:29:27 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EFFF@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> I have used Stellar Phoenix to recover lost data for customers. So if you can't see the data, this will work. (Unfortunalty it is not free, but it is reasonable.) One point to note is that it will allow you to retrieve the data from your Linux machine, but the program itself is windows based. (can't win them all I guess) http://www.stellarinfo.com/ Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Madison Kelly Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:43 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 Hi all, I just made a royal screw up and I need some serious help! I meant to run 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1' and instead ran 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1'. Oh sh!t moment.. I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is there a way to recover the file system? Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:44:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:03 -0500 Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <20050124193104.GB5957-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> <20050124170936.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050124193104.GB5957@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20050124194403.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:31:04PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > More simply: > > dd if=/dev/sda | tee /dev/sdb /dev/sdc > /dev/sdd > > You'd only need to have the separate dd processes for each > target if the dd was doing something more than copying the > data, like converting ASCII to EBCDIC, or ensuring that the > output had a specific blocksize (for a tape device, perhaps). > > tee copies its input as many times as it needs for the arguments > provided (plus one for its standard output). dd also does IO error checking which might be appreaciated in this kind of setup. It might also perform better (at least if asking it to do decent block sizes, like 128k or something that the HDs are likely to like). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:44:43 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:43 -0500 Subject: using 'dd' from one source to multiple destinations In-Reply-To: <20050124170552.Q86934-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41F52883.5080207@alteeve.com> <20050124170552.Q86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050124194443.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:10:57PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > What is wrong with this? > > DISKS="sdb sdc sdd" > for I in $DISKS > do > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev$I & > done > > This is actually more typing than repeating the dd command manually. > > One assumes the originating filesystem is not changing during the process. > If it is (which would be undesirable) better alternatives exist, such as: > > dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb > dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc > dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd It takes 3 times longer than reading onces and writing all others in parallel. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:46:42 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:46:42 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F541C3.4020509-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124194642.GK31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 01:43:15PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I just made a royal screw up and I need some serious help! > > I meant to run 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1' and instead ran 'mkfs.ext3 > /dev/hda1'. > > Oh sh!t moment.. > > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is > there a way to recover the file system? Given the only part of the filesystem written by mkfs is the most important (the filesystem inode tables), I suspect it isn't recoverable. The data should all still be there, so if it's really important someone could search the data for the specific data using raw io, and extract the blocks and piece the files together. It just won't happen automatically with a tool. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:50:11 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:50:11 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <20050124191727.J86934-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <41F55173.8060906@alteeve.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is >> there a way to recover the file system? > > > As Taavi points out a reconstruction may be possible. > > The tool dumpe2fs is provided for your convenience. You are better off > dding a copy of the filesystem and attempting recovery from the dd > image, only going back to the disk to get new copies to try stuff on. > > Can I just say that today we've seen a disappearing MySQL DB and a > trashed filesystem. Even on SAGE lists I see a call every couple of > weeks for help with recovery. > > There is no substitute for off-site backups for keeping away all sorts > of ills. > > Rob > It's the same machine... The most ironic, most painful aspect of all this is that I am writting a backup program because I was unable to find a decent backup program out there. The program is so close to working that it hurts but it isn't quite ready yet. As Lance mentioned we inherited this server from a client so we were just waiting to get the program up before adding it to the backup server once it's ready. As Murphy's law would have it, this all happens just before we implement the backup. GAH!!! I have that sinking sick feeling... It was such a stupid damn move on my part, I knew better... I want to crawl in a corner and cry for a few hours... Anyway, enough belly aching; I have to get back to it. I found an identical model number drive in the office so I am going to try dd'ing it. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:51:27 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:51:27 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 Message-ID: Isn't today the blue-est day of the year according to newspaper report? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Brockway [mailto:rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 24, 2005 2:22 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is > there a > way to recover the file system? As Taavi points out a reconstruction may be possible. The tool dumpe2fs is provided for your convenience. You are better off dding a copy of the filesystem and attempting recovery from the dd image, only going back to the disk to get new copies to try stuff on. Can I just say that today we've seen a disappearing MySQL DB and a trashed filesystem. Even on SAGE lists I see a call every couple of weeks for help with recovery. There is no substitute for off-site backups for keeping away all sorts of ills. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41f54b2a48461475551842! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:54:14 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:54:14 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F55173.8060906-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41F55173.8060906@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124195414.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:50:11PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > It's the same machine... > > The most ironic, most painful aspect of all this is that I am writting a > backup program because I was unable to find a decent backup program out > there. The program is so close to working that it hurts but it isn't > quite ready yet. As Lance mentioned we inherited this server from a > client so we were just waiting to get the program up before adding it to > the backup server once it's ready. > > As Murphy's law would have it, this all happens just before we implement > the backup. > > GAH!!! > > I have that sinking sick feeling... It was such a stupid damn move on > my part, I knew better... > > I want to crawl in a corner and cry for a few hours... > > Anyway, enough belly aching; I have to get back to it. I found an > identical model number drive in the office so I am going to try dd'ing it. You can also dd to a file to store on a larger drive somewhere just to avoid messing with the original drive a much as possible. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 20:09:31 2005 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:09:31 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F541C3.4020509-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1106597371.25041.4.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> I recovered files from a reformatted drive with this application. The strange thing is that it runs in MS Windows. It's free. http://data-recovery-software.net/Linux_Recovery.shtml On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 13:43 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I just made a royal screw up and I need some serious help! > > I meant to run 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1' and instead ran 'mkfs.ext3 > /dev/hda1'. > > Oh sh!t moment.. > > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is > there a way to recover the file system? > > Madison > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 20:29:46 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F55173.8060906-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41F55173.8060906@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124202822.T86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > It's the same machine... Ouch. Now that does hurt. > Anyway, enough belly aching; I have to get back to it. I found an identical > model number drive in the office so I am going to try dd'ing it. You don't need as disk. Just dd to a file and attempt recovery from it while mounted loopback. What you have sitting under the filesystem is irrelevant to the recovery attempt. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 20:39:50 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:39:50 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F541C3.4020509-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050124203950.GA859@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 01:43:15PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I just made a royal screw up and I need some serious help! > > I meant to run 'fsck.ext3 /dev/hda1' and instead ran 'mkfs.ext3 > /dev/hda1'. > > Oh sh!t moment.. > > I did this using Knoppix so the drive has not been touched yet. Is > there a way to recover the file system? It's too late. Unless you are willing to go through sector by sector. It works if you know the content to look for. But, recovering the filesystem requires very expert knowledge of ext2. May I suggest, for the future, to get USB harddisks. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 20:50:34 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:50:34 -0500 Subject: Xlib error Message-ID: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> Hey folks, I'm not sure whether it has anything to do with recently switching over to kdm (from gdm), but when I try to start Synaptic (or xhost for that matter), I get the following... Quote: -------------- root at Apostata:~# synaptic Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified (synaptic:2635): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: -------------- I've done some searching around on this one, and I can't find any definitive solutions. I've tried removing '~/.Xauthority' in both user and root, as some suggested, to no avail. Again, I'm not sure if this has *anything* to do with switching to kdm, but I can't think of anything else that can be triggering it (outside of conflicts with dist updates). BTW - I'm using Libranet 2.8.1 (w/ KDE 3.3.1), albeit apt-get'd to pseudo-unstable. Any takers? -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 21:25:13 2005 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:25:13 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <143537614.20050124155034-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:50:34 -0500 Matt Cahill wrote: > I'm not sure whether it has anything to do with recently switching > over to kdm (from gdm), but when I try to start Synaptic (or xhost for > that matter), I get the following... > Quote: > -------------- > root at Apostata:~# synaptic > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > (synaptic:2635): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Let me guess: from kdm, you log in as a regular user, then in an xterm, you su to root? If so, the problem is that the info needed by X's authorization thingee is in the regular user's .Xauthority, not root's. Try try logging in as root, or running "xhost +" before su-ing to root. JV -- Drunks are rarely amusing unless they know some good songs and lose a lot a poker. -- Karyl Roosevelt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 17:21:11 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:21:11 +0000 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200501241721.11243.jason@detachednetworks.ca> I just got in the door, late on this thread. here's my 2 cents. I came across this howto a while ago, and it has helped me out of a pinch. First, if you have a spare hard drive, make a copy of the data on the bad disk (or better yet two) in case the hardware will die, and work on the copy. Then do: # /sbin/mke2fs -n /dev/hda5 -b [blocksize] Be sure to use the right block size here! You will see output including: Superblock backups stored on blocks: 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729 These are the locations of the superblocks. Pass these one by one to: e2fsck -b [backup superblock location] -y /dev/hda5 [read up on "man e2fsck"] If one of these superblocks are OK, e2fsck will start recovering all possible data (the -y switch means "yes to all"; otherwise you get thousands of prompts). All the possible files will be dumped into the /lost+found directory. - From there, you should be able to do something like: find /lost+found/* -name [some directory you are sure of the location of] i.e. find /long+found/* -name jason allowed me to find my home directory. the /lost+found directory basicly contains many hard links to the same files. You should be able to find your /home, /var, /etc, or whatever other directories you have on the drive and move them back to their respective spot. Be careful - many files may be corrupt without warning. Using this technique, I was able to recover an ext3 partition after deleting it, resizing the partition, reformatting as reiserfs, and using it for two days. About 70% of the files got recovered, but it obviously depends on the damage done. good luck. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 22:25:57 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:25:57 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <20050124195414.GL31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41F55173.8060906@alteeve.com> <20050124195414.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41F575F5.1090202@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You can also dd to a file to store on a larger drive somewhere just to > avoid messing with the original drive a much as possible. > > Lennart Sorensen Because I am in complete paranoia mode, can you (or someone) confirm for me that the command: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/path.to.file.img is proper? Once the dd image is write, what is the best way to mount the image as a loopback device? Thanks all. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 23:07:44 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:07:44 -0500 Subject: Console and serial Message-ID: Hi all, I am not very familiar with hot to setup a console with linux. I want to connnect one pc to a server through a serial cable with com1 so that I can see all console messages. I'm not even sure where to begin... Any help is greatly appreceated. Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 23:05:08 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Console and serial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050124230437.W86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Martin Duclos wrote: > Hi all, > I am not very familiar with hot to setup a console with linux. I want to > connnect one pc to a server through a serial cable with com1 so that I can > see all console messages. I'm not even sure where to begin... Any help is > greatly appreceated. As always Google is your friend :) Try these search terms: serial console linux Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 24 19:07:43 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:07:43 +0000 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <200501241721.11243.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> <200501241721.11243.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200501241907.43652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 24, 2005 05:21 pm, Jason Shein wrote: > I just got in the door, late on this thread. > > here's my 2 cents. > > I came across this howto a while ago, and it has helped me out of a pinch. > > First, if you have a spare hard drive, make a copy of the data on the > bad disk (or better yet two) in case the hardware will die, and work on > the copy. > > Then do: > > # /sbin/mke2fs -n /dev/hda5 -b [blocksize] > Be sure to use the right block size here! > > You will see output including: > > Superblock backups stored on blocks: > 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729 > These are the locations of the superblocks. > > Pass these one by one to: > > e2fsck -b [backup superblock location] -y /dev/hda5 > > [read up on "man e2fsck"] > > If one of these superblocks are OK, e2fsck will start recovering all > possible data (the -y switch means "yes to all"; otherwise you get > thousands of prompts). > > All the possible files will be dumped into the /lost+found directory. > - From there, you should be able to do something like: > > find /lost+found/* -name [some directory you are sure of the location of] > > i.e. > find /long+found/* -name jason > allowed me to find my home directory. > > the /lost+found directory basicly contains many hard links to the same > files. > > You should be able to find your /home, /var, /etc, or whatever other > directories you have on the drive and move them back to their respective > spot. > > Be careful - many files may be corrupt without warning. > > > Using this technique, I was able to recover an ext3 partition after > deleting it, resizing the partition, reformatting as reiserfs, and using > it for two days. About 70% of the files got recovered, but it obviously > depends on the damage done. > > good luck. I forgot to add, use Helix linux to do the job. (bootable live CD distro ) http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ -snip- Helix is a customized distribution of the Knoppix Live Linux CD. Helix has more than just a bootable live CD. You can still boot into a customized Linux environment that includes customized linux kernels (2.4.27 & 2.6.7), excellent hardware detection and many applications dedicated to Incident Response and Forensics. Helix has been modified very carefully to NOT touch the host computer in any way and it is forensically sound. Helix wil not auto mount swap space, it will also not auto mount any found devices. Helix also has a special Windows autorun side for Incident Response and Forensics. Helix is used by SANS for training in Track 8: System Forensics, Investigation and Response. -snip- -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 00:37:01 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:37:01 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: <200501241937.01269.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 24, 2005 04:25 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > Let me guess: from kdm, you log in as a regular user, then in an xterm, > you su to root? If so, the problem is that the info needed by X's > authorization thingee is in the regular user's .Xauthority, not root's. > Try try logging in as root, or running "xhost +" before su-ing to root. > Your solution is as brief as my problem seemed complex. Thanks very much - it worked. I'm going to have to read-up on 'xhost' now. Thanks again, Matt P.S. Any Synaptic-users using version 0.56? They've done a lot of work on it. -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 00:48:01 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:48:01 -0500 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <200501241721.11243.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> <200501241721.11243.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <41F59741.8050506@alteeve.com> Jason Shein wrote: > I just got in the door, late on this thread. > > here's my 2 cents. > > I came across this howto a while ago, and it has helped me out of a pinch. > > First, if you have a spare hard drive, make a copy of the data on the > bad disk (or better yet two) in case the hardware will die, and work on > the copy. > > Then do: > > # /sbin/mke2fs -n /dev/hda5 -b [blocksize] > Be sure to use the right block size here! I just finished making a 'dd' copy and putting it on a second drive, so the original is as safe as it can be. Would the new 'mkfs.ext3' not use the exact same backup superblocks, by the way? > You will see output including: > > Superblock backups stored on blocks: > 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729 > These are the locations of the superblocks. > > Pass these one by one to: > > e2fsck -b [backup superblock location] -y /dev/hda5 > > [read up on "man e2fsck"] Doing that now... > If one of these superblocks are OK, e2fsck will start recovering all > possible data (the -y switch means "yes to all"; otherwise you get > thousands of prompts). > > All the possible files will be dumped into the /lost+found directory. > - From there, you should be able to do something like: > > find /lost+found/* -name [some directory you are sure of the location of] > > i.e. > find /long+found/* -name jason > allowed me to find my home directory. > > the /lost+found directory basicly contains many hard links to the same > files. > > You should be able to find your /home, /var, /etc, or whatever other > directories you have on the drive and move them back to their respective > spot. > > Be careful - many files may be corrupt without warning. > > > Using this technique, I was able to recover an ext3 partition after > deleting it, resizing the partition, reformatting as reiserfs, and using > it for two days. About 70% of the files got recovered, but it obviously > depends on the damage done. > > good luck. Will it use the '/lost+found' on the same partition? I take it I don't need to worry about running out of space because the links are hard links? Thank you very much!! I'll report my luck or lack there of... Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 01:31:56 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:31:56 -0500 Subject: Plextor 712A won't rewrite DVD-RW (why not?) Message-ID: <20050125013156.GB20022@antec> I have a Plextor PX-712A DVD/RW drive, which burns CDRs and CDRWs fine with cdrecord, and also DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) with growisofs. But it will not re-write DVD-RW with growisofs. Take an ordinary disc that has been written to as follows: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso But I can't blank it or force a new format on it no matter what I try; dvd+rw-format gives me the following errors: user at computer$ dvd+rw-format -force /dev/dvd * DVD?RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected. * formatting /:-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=5h/ASC=27h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error user at computer$ dvd+rw-format -blank=full /dev/dvd * DVD?RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected. * blanking /:-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=5h/ASC=27h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error I get the same errors whether I run the command as root or an ordinary user, whether the "full" option is added or not, on DVD-RW discs from different manufacturers. Ditto for just re-running the growisofs command above with a new image.iso. The "input/output error" made me suspicious, so I ran dvd+rw-mediainfo: user at computer$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd INQUIRY: [PLEXTOR ][DVDR PX-712A ][1.04] GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION: Mounted Media: 14h, DVD-RW Sequential Current Write Speed: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s Write Speed #0: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE: Write Performance: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s@[0 -> 2294911] Speed Descriptor#0: 03/1922435 R at 12.0x1385=16620KB/s W at 1.0x1385=1385KB/s READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]: Media Book Type: 32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2] Legacy lead-out at: 2298496*2KB=4707319808 READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]: Media Book Type: 32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2] Last border-out at: 1922436*2KB=3937148928 READ DISC INFORMATION: Disc status: complete Number of Sessions: 1 State of Last Session: complete Number of Tracks: 1 READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]: Track State: complete Track Start Address: 0*2KB Free Blocks: 0*2KB Track Size: 1922436*2KB Last Recorded Address: 1922435*2KB FABRICATED TOC: Track#1 : 14 at 0 Track#AA : 14 at 1922436 Multi-session Info: #1 at 0 READ CAPACITY: 1922436*2048=3937148928 I notice that the INQUIRY lists the drive as DVDR, not DVDRW, but I don't know if that's the problem -- or if it is, how to change it. DMA is turned on for the drive and the permissions should be fine (/dev/dvd --> /dev/hdc): brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2004-07-22 15:54 /dev/hdc What gives? Google turned up nothing, and I'm more or less at a loss at this point. dvd+rw-tools: 4.10 growisofs: 5.21 Debian GNU/Linux running Sarge: Kernel 2.6.8 using ide_cd (hence ATAPI). Any help would be appreciated! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes it does unfortunately, therefore the approached suggested won't work in the case where all of the superblocks have been overwritten - which is exactly what happens when a mkfs.ext3 is done. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 14:30:40 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:30:40 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 adaptor with it for the switch). Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 14:41:28 2005 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:41:28 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c502eb$f46643c0$c601a8c0@plex31> this might be a little out of your price range for only 2 or 3 boxes, but i bought this: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=49 4283&sku=T156-2002 a couple of months ago and now have 8 boxes hooked up to it without a single problem... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: January 25, 2005 9:31 AM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: OT - KVM switches Hi, Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 adaptor with it for the switch). Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 14:54:32 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:54:32 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches Message-ID: Or this place http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=1009 I have one hooking up 2 Windows PCs and one Linux box. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Thiele [mailto:jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 25, 2005 9:41 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: OT - KVM switches this might be a little out of your price range for only 2 or 3 boxes, but i bought this: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=49 4283&sku=T156-2002 a couple of months ago and now have 8 boxes hooked up to it without a single problem... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: January 25, 2005 9:31 AM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: OT - KVM switches Hi, Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 adaptor with it for the switch). Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41f65aca159267589713344! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djvantuyl-GRvFxUR1AbgAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 14:50:36 2005 From: djvantuyl-GRvFxUR1AbgAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David J. Van Tuyl) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:50:36 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F65CBC.6090409@foxet.com> Hi Steve, I have used several of them. The latest is a BELKIN kvm for two pc's. Just hit Scroll lock twice followed by Up arrow (8) and you switched to the other PC. Works great. David djvantuyl-GRvFxUR1AbgAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Steve wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > >I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >adaptor with it for the switch). > >Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > >-Steve. > >-- >Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- >http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:03:10 2005 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:03:10 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F65FAE.4060806@deeptown.org> I have the exact configuration you have. For last 3 years I am using the old KVM switch I've bought in Computer factory outlet. It did work quite well. Right now it starts to loose the mouse after switching. PS: For now I am looking for some electronic KVM for 3-4 ports. All the Best! Sergey. Steve wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > >I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >adaptor with it for the switch). > >Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > >-Steve. > >-- >Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- >http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:03:58 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:03:58 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F65FDE.1090607@alteeve.com> I'm currently running a simular set-up (NT-4, Linux) on a noname 2port digital KVM (not rotary switch) Blue & silver. Works great and didn't cost too much. As long as its not manual (rotary) switch and not the absolute cheepest, You're probably fine. Steve wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > > I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > adaptor with it for the switch). > > Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > > -Steve. > > -- > Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:14:57 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:14:57 -0500 Subject: Console and serial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050125151457.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 06:07:44PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > I am not very familiar with hot to setup a console with linux. I want to > connnect one pc to a server through a serial cable with com1 so that I can > see all console messages. I'm not even sure where to begin... Any help is > greatly appreceated. Seomthing like "console=ttyS0,38400" or whatever settings you like in your lilo append line or on the kernel line in grub should do it if the kernel has support for serial console enabled. inittab should have an example entry for a matching serial getty if you want to also allow logins from the serial port. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:19:17 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:19:17 -0500 Subject: Plextor 712A won't rewrite DVD-RW (why not?) In-Reply-To: <20050125013156.GB20022@antec> References: <20050125013156.GB20022@antec> Message-ID: <20050125151917.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 08:31:56PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > I have a Plextor PX-712A DVD/RW drive, which burns CDRs and CDRWs fine with cdrecord, > and also DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) with growisofs. But it will not re-write DVD-RW with > growisofs. Take an ordinary disc that has been written to as follows: > > growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso > > But I can't blank it or force a new format on it no matter what I try; dvd+rw-format > gives me the following errors: > > user at computer$ dvd+rw-format -force /dev/dvd > * DVD?RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. > * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected. > * formatting /:-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=5h/ASC=27h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error > > user at computer$ dvd+rw-format -blank=full /dev/dvd > * DVD?RW/-RAM format utility by , version 4.10. > * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected. > * blanking /:-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=5h/ASC=27h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error > > I get the same errors whether I run the command as root or an ordinary user, whether > the "full" option is added or not, on DVD-RW discs from different manufacturers. Ditto > for just re-running the growisofs command above with a new image.iso. > > The "input/output error" made me suspicious, so I ran dvd+rw-mediainfo: > > user at computer$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd > INQUIRY: [PLEXTOR ][DVDR PX-712A ][1.04] > GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION: > Mounted Media: 14h, DVD-RW Sequential > Current Write Speed: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s > Write Speed #0: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s > GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE: > Write Performance: 1.0x1385=1385KB/s@[0 -> 2294911] > Speed Descriptor#0: 03/1922435 R at 12.0x1385=16620KB/s W at 1.0x1385=1385KB/s > READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]: > Media Book Type: 32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2] > Legacy lead-out at: 2298496*2KB=4707319808 > READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]: > Media Book Type: 32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2] > Last border-out at: 1922436*2KB=3937148928 > READ DISC INFORMATION: > Disc status: complete > Number of Sessions: 1 > State of Last Session: complete > Number of Tracks: 1 > READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]: > Track State: complete > Track Start Address: 0*2KB > Free Blocks: 0*2KB > Track Size: 1922436*2KB > Last Recorded Address: 1922435*2KB > FABRICATED TOC: > Track#1 : 14 at 0 > Track#AA : 14 at 1922436 > Multi-session Info: #1 at 0 > READ CAPACITY: 1922436*2048=3937148928 > > I notice that the INQUIRY lists the drive as DVDR, not DVDRW, but I don't know if > that's the problem -- or if it is, how to change it. DMA is turned on for the drive > and the permissions should be fine (/dev/dvd --> /dev/hdc): > > brw-rw-rw- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2004-07-22 15:54 /dev/hdc > > What gives? Google turned up nothing, and I'm more or less at a loss at this point. > > dvd+rw-tools: 4.10 > growisofs: 5.21 > > Debian GNU/Linux running Sarge: Kernel 2.6.8 using ide_cd (hence ATAPI). > > Any help would be appreciated! Well I haven't tried DVD-RW on the plextor drives, I have only used DVD+RW so far (along with DVD-R) and for the DVD+RW I just keep using the same disk to write images to and I never have to blank or format or anything in between. I would have thought it would work the same way on DVD-RW but I could be wrong. Everything else looks correct on first look. The cdwrite mailing list (lists.debian.org hosts it although it is not a debian list) is a great place to ask questions (the authors of both dvd+rw-tools and cdrecord hang out there. Watch out for the author of cdrecord. He seems to think no one else writes decent code, and that Solaris is the only OS that ever is close to working, but everything else on the list is great). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:20:53 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:20:53 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <200501241937.01269.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501241937.01269.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050125152053.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 07:37:01PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > On January 24, 2005 04:25 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > > > Let me guess: from kdm, you log in as a regular user, then in an xterm, > > you su to root? If so, the problem is that the info needed by X's > > authorization thingee is in the regular user's .Xauthority, not root's. > > Try try logging in as root, or running "xhost +" before su-ing to root. > > > > Your solution is as brief as my problem seemed complex. Thanks very much - > it worked. I'm going to have to read-up on 'xhost' now. > > Thanks again, > > Matt > > P.S. Any Synaptic-users using version 0.56? They've done a lot of work on > it. Use of xhost + is considered VERY insecure, with proper use of xauth tokens better, and ssh -X much more secure (although overkill on local machine). xhost + really should only be a problem with X over a network link, so it shouldn't be a big deal in this case. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:22:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:22:19 -0500 Subject: Emergency In-Reply-To: <200501241721.11243.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1106593551.8840.12.camel@localhost> <200501241721.11243.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050125152219.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:21:11PM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > I just got in the door, late on this thread. > > here's my 2 cents. > > I came across this howto a while ago, and it has helped me out of a pinch. > > First, if you have a spare hard drive, make a copy of the data on the > bad disk (or better yet two) in case the hardware will die, and work on > the copy. > > Then do: > > # /sbin/mke2fs -n /dev/hda5 -b [blocksize] > Be sure to use the right block size here! > > You will see output including: > > Superblock backups stored on blocks: > 8193, 24577, 40961, 57345, 73729 > These are the locations of the superblocks. Those superblock locations are among the first things mkfs writes to. They are very likely to be all toast already. This was a case of accidentally mkfs'ing not a case of drive corruption or failure. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:23:32 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:23:32 -0500 Subject: Emergency! Accidental format of ext3 In-Reply-To: <41F575F5.1090202-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F541C3.4020509@alteeve.com> <20050124191727.J86934@nirmala.opentrend.net> <41F55173.8060906@alteeve.com> <20050124195414.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41F575F5.1090202@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050125152332.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 05:25:57PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >You can also dd to a file to store on a larger drive somewhere just to > >avoid messing with the original drive a much as possible. > > > >Lennart Sorensen > > Because I am in complete paranoia mode, can you (or someone) confirm for > me that the command: > > # dd if=/dev/hda of=/path.to.file.img > > is proper? Once the dd image is write, what is the best way to mount the > image as a loopback device? That is a proper command yes. mount -o loop /path.to.file.img /emptymountdir Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:26:38 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:26:38 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050125152638.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:30:40AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > > I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > adaptor with it for the switch). Use USB for the mouse. PS/2 is a nightmare for mice since it isn't allowed to be disconnected and connected while on, which is what most of the cheap KVMs try to do. Some higher end ones try to emulate a ps2 mouse while disconnected from a machine, but often emulate the wrong protocol (a pain if you have a wheel mouse) or screw it up other ways. Since USB is hotplugable, it doesn't care if it is disconnected and connected physically so it's perfect for a KVM. For the monitor, a cheap KVM is likely to cause ghosting in the signal (which lowering resolution and/or refresh helps to reduce. Lowering refresh to 60hz on an LCD should be completely a non issue). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:36:58 2005 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (alain maisonneuve) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:36:58 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106667418.7836.5.camel@swiftssl.localdomain> I got a 4 port KVM from FactoryDirect on college/spadina.. $59.. and the thing works so good.. very slick.. and for$59 you really can't go wrong.. cheers, Alain On Tue, 2005-25-01 at 09:30 -0500, Steve wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > > I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > adaptor with it for the switch). > > Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > > -Steve. > > -- > Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:51:24 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:51:24 -0500 Subject: Plextor 712A won't rewrite DVD-RW (why not?) In-Reply-To: <20050125151917.GN31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125013156.GB20022@antec> <20050125151917.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050125155124.GB21490@antec> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:19:17AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well I haven't tried DVD-RW on the plextor drives, I have only used > DVD+RW so far (along with DVD-R) and for the DVD+RW I just keep using > the same disk to write images to and I never have to blank or format or > anything in between. I would have thought it would work the same way on > DVD-RW but I could be wrong. Everything else looks correct on first > look. I can (re)write DVD+RW without any problem. It's only rewriting DVD-RW that poses a problem. > The cdwrite mailing list (lists.debian.org hosts it although it is not > a debian list) is a great place to ask questions (the authors of both > dvd+rw-tools and cdrecord hang out there. Watch out for the author of > cdrecord. He seems to think no one else writes decent code, and that > Solaris is the only OS that ever is close to working, but everything > else on the list is great). I've posted there, too, but no replies yet; the answer must be either too easy or too hard! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 15:57:34 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:57:34 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F66C6E.4050409@rogers.com> Steve wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > > I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > adaptor with it for the switch). > > Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. One thing you have to watch for, is erratic mouse operation, after switching. I find that if z-axis is enable, the mouse becomes unusable after switching. In the 2.4 kernel, it was possible to switch to a text console and then back to the desktop, to clear the problem. The 2.6 kernel requires a reboot. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:03:03 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:03:03 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <20050125152638.GR31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125152638.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:26:38 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Use USB for the mouse. PS/2 is a nightmare for mice since it isn't > allowed to be disconnected and connected while on, which is what most of > the cheap KVMs try to do. Some higher end ones try to emulate a ps2 > mouse while disconnected from a machine, but often emulate the wrong > protocol (a pain if you have a wheel mouse) or screw it up other ways. > Since USB is hotplugable, it doesn't care if it is disconnected and > connected physically so it's perfect for a KVM. > > For the monitor, a cheap KVM is likely to cause ghosting in the signal > (which lowering resolution and/or refresh helps to reduce. Lowering > refresh to 60hz on an LCD should be completely a non issue). > > Lennart Sorensen Would that mean I would have to get a USB keyboard too? The only USB KVM switches I've seen have ONLY USB... Is it only certain distros that have problems with switching PS2 mice? Are there any that work fine with switching PS2 mice? Thanks. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:10:52 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:10:52 -0500 Subject: Anyone from downtown Toronto going to the NewTLUG meeting today? Message-ID: <41F66F8C.7050801@knet.ca> Anyone from downtown Toronto going to the NewTLUG meeting today? /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:11:15 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:11:15 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050125161115.GA1079@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:30:40AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > > I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > adaptor with it for the switch). > > Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. I have mechanical 2-port (mothballed) and 4-port (in use) PS/2 KVMs. I don't have any problem with 2.6.10 kernel. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:45:03 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:45:03 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: <20050125152638.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41F6778F.2040202@rogers.com> Steve wrote: > Would that mean I would have to get a USB keyboard too? The only USB > KVM switches I've seen have ONLY USB... > > Is it only certain distros that have problems with switching PS2 mice? > Are there any that work fine with switching PS2 mice? I've experienced the problem with both Red Hat and SuSE. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:45:46 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:45:46 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <20050125161115.GA1079-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125161115.GA1079@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41F677BA.1040006@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:30:40AM -0500, Steve wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >>have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >>mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >>D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? >> >>I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >>I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >>Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >>adaptor with it for the switch). >> >>Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > > > I have mechanical 2-port (mothballed) and 4-port (in use) PS/2 KVMs. I > don't have any problem with 2.6.10 kernel. > What make is your switch? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 16:56:43 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:56:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone from downtown Toronto going to the NewTLUG meeting today? In-Reply-To: <41F66F8C.7050801-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F66F8C.7050801@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050125165643.29794.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I work at 169 Eastern Ave. (not quite downtown core) and I will be going to NewTLUG. What's up? --- Teddy Mills wrote: > > Anyone from downtown Toronto going to the NewTLUG > meeting today? > > /teddy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:05:59 2005 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: <20050125152638.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050125170559.GB19948@utoronto.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:03:03AM -0500, Steve wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:26:38 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > > > > > Lennart Sorensen > > Would that mean I would have to get a USB keyboard too? The only USB > KVM switches I've seen have ONLY USB... > I have a fairly cheap usb kvm switch that I bought a while back -- it has ps2 plugs on the front, but converts the signal to usb. so you can use your old mice/keyboards with it. I've had some trouble with a redhat box, which doesn't seem to want to recognize the mouse or keyboard on it; but I'm not sure what exactly the problem is there. matt ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- The following addresses are for you if you're an evil spambot: zeus-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org aardvark-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:16:40 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:16:40 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: <20050125152638.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050125171640.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:03:03AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Would that mean I would have to get a USB keyboard too? The only USB > KVM switches I've seen have ONLY USB... > > Is it only certain distros that have problems with switching PS2 mice? > Are there any that work fine with switching PS2 mice? It is mainly the hardware that doesn't tolerate changes to ps2. There really is no reason not to just use a usb keyboard too that I can think of. I have seen KVM's that had PS2 keyboard and video and USB on them. They exist since many people started wanting to be able to use usb keys and usb mice and such with a KVM, that and PS2 mice didn't like them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:17:48 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:17:48 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <41F677BA.1040006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125161115.GA1079@node1.opengeometry.net> <41F677BA.1040006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050125171748.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:45:46AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > >I have mechanical 2-port (mothballed) and 4-port (in use) PS/2 KVMs. I > >don't have any problem with 2.6.10 kernel. > > What make is your switch? And brand of machine/motherboard, and type of mouse and protocol it is running? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:20:00 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:20:00 -0500 Subject: Plextor 712A won't rewrite DVD-RW (why not?) In-Reply-To: <20050125155124.GB21490@antec> References: <20050125013156.GB20022@antec> <20050125151917.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050125155124.GB21490@antec> Message-ID: <20050125172000.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:51:24AM -0500, Peter King wrote: > I can (re)write DVD+RW without any problem. It's only rewriting DVD-RW > that poses a problem. Hmm, how odd. Any chance you could try if cdrecord-prodvd binaries (google search should find them easily) can do a blank operation on the disc? I don't personally like using cdrecord-prodvd, but if it works, and growisofs doesn't then perhaps the authors of dvd+rw-tools would have a clue about what to go fix. > I've posted there, too, but no replies yet; the answer must be either > too easy or too hard! Kernel version? Is the growisofs the latest release? Is firmware up to date on the plextor? (You can flash it from linux fairly easily). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:11:20 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:11:20 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <41F677BA.1040006-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125161115.GA1079@node1.opengeometry.net> <41F677BA.1040006@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050125171120.GA1517@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:45:46AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:30:40AM -0500, Steve wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to > >>have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and > >>mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, > >>D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > >> > >>I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. > >>I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). > >>Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 > >>adaptor with it for the switch). > >> > >>Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > > > > > >I have mechanical 2-port (mothballed) and 4-port (in use) PS/2 KVMs. I > >don't have any problem with 2.6.10 kernel. > > > > What make is your switch? It doesn't say. I think there is only one brand in the market. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:34:34 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:34:34 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <41F66C6E.4050409-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F66C6E.4050409@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: > Steve wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >> have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >> mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >> D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? >> >> I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >> I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >> Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >> adaptor with it for the switch). >> >> Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > > One thing you have to watch for, is erratic mouse operation, after switching. > I find that if z-axis is enable, the mouse becomes unusable after switching. > In the 2.4 kernel, it was possible to switch to a text console and then back > to the desktop, to clear the problem. The 2.6 kernel requires a reboot. Try to restart the X server. It works for me (2.4). Switching to a console should have the same effect. I don't know about 2.6 Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 17:36:51 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:36:51 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: <41F66C6E.4050409@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41F683B3.3040003@rogers.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: > >> Steve wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >>> have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >>> mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >>> D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? >>> >>> I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >>> I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >>> Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >>> adaptor with it for the switch). >>> >>> Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. >> >> >> One thing you have to watch for, is erratic mouse operation, after >> switching. I find that if z-axis is enable, the mouse becomes unusable >> after switching. In the 2.4 kernel, it was possible to switch to a >> text console and then back to the desktop, to clear the problem. The >> 2.6 kernel requires a reboot. > > > Try to restart the X server. It works for me (2.4). Switching to a > console should have the same effect. I don't know about 2.6 I have tried that and no, it doesn't work with 2.6. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 18:56:33 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:56:33 -0500 Subject: Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200501241937.01269.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501241937.01269.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501251356.33452.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 24 January 2005 19:37, Matt Cahill wrote: > > P.S. Any Synaptic-users using version 0.56? They've done a lot of work on > it. Is it in unstable or experimental? I have unstable in sources.list and I just get 53.4-6 Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From djvantuyl-GRvFxUR1AbgAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 19:12:00 2005 From: djvantuyl-GRvFxUR1AbgAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (David J. Van Tuyl) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:12:00 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <41F683B3.3040003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F66C6E.4050409@rogers.com> <41F683B3.3040003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41F69A00.2070104@foxet.com> Hi James, I have in use two types of kvm's, one is a Avocent Switchview 4 port, the other a 2port Belkin kvm. Both are used with one box running Suse 9.1 while the other box is a Win98se. The keyboard and mice are Aopen wireless k/b and mouse PS/s and the other keyboard is a Logitech navigator and MX310 mouse (both ps/2 and corded). I never had a problem of any sort. Do not use kvm with mechanical switches as they do pose problems with mice. The Belkin cost about $60. David James Knott wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: >> >>> Steve wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >>>> have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >>>> mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >>>> D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? >>>> >>>> I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >>>> I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >>>> Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >>>> adaptor with it for the switch). >>>> >>>> Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>> One thing you have to watch for, is erratic mouse operation, after >>> switching. I find that if z-axis is enable, the mouse becomes >>> unusable after switching. In the 2.4 kernel, it was possible to >>> switch to a text console and then back to the desktop, to clear the >>> problem. The 2.6 kernel requires a reboot. >> >> >> >> Try to restart the X server. It works for me (2.4). Switching to a >> console should have the same effect. I don't know about 2.6 > > > I have tried that and no, it doesn't work with 2.6. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 19:23:24 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:23:24 -0500 Subject: Soyo...oh no Message-ID: <200501251423.24256.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Hi, I just bought my first VoIP phone in Canada. I went to a tiger direct store, in Markham, and saw it (I'd never heard of Soyo before) there, with 150 free minutes. I thought I'd use the free minutes then switch to my own service I have from Australia. ..only to find that it's locked, and isn't as functional as my old Sipura ATA, which I left back home. Does anyone have any experience with the Soyo phones, as in how to use it with another SIP provider? Or, does anyone know where I can get a good, open VoIP phone. Regards, David Colebatch -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 20:15:19 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:15:19 -0500 Subject: Soyo...oh no References: <200501251423.24256.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: How does Skype rank up there with other/real VoIP applications? I have no idea about VoIP but am somewhat curious as to the different uses and varieties of technology out there (Skype being the first program that I've used and the catalyst in piquing my curiosity). ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Colebatch" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Soyo...oh no > Hi, > > I just bought my first VoIP phone in Canada. I went to a tiger direct > store, > in Markham, and saw it (I'd never heard of Soyo before) there, with 150 > free > minutes. I thought I'd use the free minutes then switch to my own service > I > have from Australia. > > ..only to find that it's locked, and isn't as functional as my old Sipura > ATA, which I left back home. > > Does anyone have any experience with the Soyo phones, as in how to use it > with > another SIP provider? > > Or, does anyone know where I can get a good, open VoIP phone. > > Regards, > > David Colebatch > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 20:37:53 2005 From: littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Littleguru) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:37:53 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F6AE21.1020302@sympatico.ca> I got kvm switch from following store located at spadaina and college street . price is about $70 but it comes with 4 cables which each of them worth about $10 to $15 http://www.apluscomputers.ca/ you may find cheaper one , but the cables will cost you more . I forgot that , they have another one that is about $30 but it only support two computer and both of your computers should support usb ports. good luck :) Steve wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone here use KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switches? I want to >have 2 separate computers hooked to a single monitor, keyboard and >mouse. I've seen a few different manufacturers with switches (Phoebe, >D-Link, Zonet). Are there any I should stay away from? > >I want to have an XP box as well as a Linux box hooked up and running. >I'm using a Samsung 19" flat CRT in case that matters (1280x960 at 85Hz). >Also a Logitech keyboard and Microsoft optical mouse (USB with PS/2 >adaptor with it for the switch). > >Thanks for any pointers or suggestions. > >-Steve. > >-- >Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- >http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 20:57:10 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:57:10 -0500 Subject: Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200501251356.33452.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501241937.01269.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200501251356.33452.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <1605589062.20050125155710@rogers.com> Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 1:56:33 PM, you wrote: MC> On Monday 24 January 2005 19:37, Matt Cahill wrote: >> >> P.S. Any Synaptic-users using version 0.56? They've done a lot of work on >> it. MC> Is it in unstable or experimental? I have unstable in sources.list and I just MC> get 53.4-6 MC> Merv Merv, I believe I did an explicit 'apt-get -t unstable install synaptic' - can't remember the exact grammar of the command, as I'm not on my 'nix system right now (and it's not a command I'm in the habit of using), but I'm positive it was in unstable. Libranet, if I'm not mistaken, has a couple of apt sources that stray from the norm. I'll check when I get home. Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com "It is important to have this idea in one's mind, because otherwise one fails to grasp the whole spirit of modern Science-Philosophy. It does not aim at Truth; [...] it aims at maximum convenience." - A. Crowley -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 21:09:45 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:09:45 -0500 Subject: OT - KVM switches In-Reply-To: <41F6AE21.1020302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F6AE21.1020302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the suggestions! I'll be able to make a more educated purchase now. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 20:35:06 2005 From: leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:35:06 -0500 Subject: Soyo...oh no In-Reply-To: <000801c5031a$98eb7d10$6400a8c0@none> References: <200501251423.24256.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <000801c5031a$98eb7d10$6400a8c0@none> Message-ID: <1106685306.7291.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Skype is very easy to use, though I've heard that the quality of "SkypeOut" (which is its interface with the POTS) is not so great. It runs on linux just fine (though development seems to lag a little behind the windows version, and it's Qt only). There was a fascinating analysis of its protocol up on SlashDot a few days ago: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/20/1653217&tid=215&tid=93&tid=185&tid=95 As for more "real" VOIP stuff, check out Asterisk: the Open Source PBX. Free World Dialup lets you interface an Asterisk-based VOIP phone system to the POTS (plain old telephone system) for cheap. Hope that helps! -Leigh On Tue, 2005-25-01 at 15:15 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > How does Skype rank up there with other/real VoIP applications? I have no > idea about VoIP but am somewhat curious as to the different uses and > varieties of technology out there (Skype being the first program that I've > used and the catalyst in piquing my curiosity). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Colebatch" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 2:23 PM > Subject: [TLUG]: Soyo...oh no > > > > Hi, > > > > I just bought my first VoIP phone in Canada. I went to a tiger direct > > store, > > in Markham, and saw it (I'd never heard of Soyo before) there, with 150 > > free > > minutes. I thought I'd use the free minutes then switch to my own service > > I > > have from Australia. > > > > ..only to find that it's locked, and isn't as functional as my old Sipura > > ATA, which I left back home. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with the Soyo phones, as in how to use it > > with > > another SIP provider? > > > > Or, does anyone know where I can get a good, open VoIP phone. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Colebatch > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 25 23:35:13 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:35:13 -0500 Subject: Synaptic In-Reply-To: <1605589062.20050125155710-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <200501251356.33452.mervc@eol.ca> <1605589062.20050125155710@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501251835.13518.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 25, 2005 03:57 pm, Matt Cahill wrote: > Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 1:56:33 PM, you wrote: > > MC> On Monday 24 January 2005 19:37, Matt Cahill wrote: > >> P.S. Any Synaptic-users using version 0.56? They've done a lot of work > >> on it. > > MC> Is it in unstable or experimental? I have unstable in sources.list and > I just MC> get 53.4-6 > > MC> Merv > I've just checked my version - it's '0.55+cvs20041119-1'. Going to Help/About in the app, it says 0.56 (which makes sense seeing as it's probably a beta of 0.56). Technically, it came from Libranet's 'unstable' source (with 'experimental' showing as '0.55+cvs20041119-1.1'). If you open Synaptic and look at the properties of the package 'synaptic', what versions does it list as available? Are you using "Debian-Debian", or a "Debian-based" distro? Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 02:01:29 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:01:29 -0500 Subject: Synaptic In-Reply-To: <200501251835.13518.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <1605589062.20050125155710@rogers.com> <200501251835.13518.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200501252101.29341.mervc@eol.ca> On Tuesday 25 January 2005 18:35, Matt Cahill wrote: > > I've just checked my version - it's '0.55+cvs20041119-1'. Going to > Help/About in the app, it says 0.56 (which makes sense seeing as it's > probably a beta of 0.56). Technically, it came from Libranet's 'unstable' > source (with 'experimental' showing as '0.55+cvs20041119-1.1'). > If you open Synaptic and look at the properties of the package > 'synaptic', what versions does it list as available? Are you using > "Debian-Debian", or a "Debian-based" distro? > > Matt I used Libranet for many years and I know they have some things that aren't in the Debian repositories. SimplyMepis is very similar to Libranet, some of their own stuff but primarily Debian 'unstable' while Libranet was 'stable'. I will go check out the experimental group. I have installed things from there in the past. Cheers -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 03:54:44 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:54:44 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm Message-ID: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm looking at putting together a system that will burn 50 DVDs at a time. I'd like to use 16x Burners such as the Pioneer http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdwriters/dvr108/ I would like to be able to send the DVD burner farm an iso image via a network connection or firewire perhaps. Of course I'd like the system to be Linux based but can't be too fussy. I've seen duplicators like this around http://www.americal.com/pg/pioneer-16x-dvd-duplicators.html#nine however as far as I can tell they all need to have a source DVD first. Has anyone got any thoughts on this? How do the big guys do it? Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 04:11:32 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:11:32 -0700 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106711684.5611.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: um - for CDs, dont they just generate a negative master and stamp out cds ? Can it be done for DVDs - i dont know. Burning 1 million 'free AOL' cds would be really uneconomical. . -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of jim ruxton Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:55 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: DVD burner farm I'm looking at putting together a system that will burn 50 DVDs at a time. I'd like to use 16x Burners such as the Pioneer http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdwriters/dvr108/ I would like to be able to send the DVD burner farm an iso image via a network connection or firewire perhaps. Of course I'd like the system to be Linux based but can't be too fussy. I've seen duplicators like this around http://www.americal.com/pg/pioneer-16x-dvd-duplicators.html#nine however as far as I can tell they all need to have a source DVD first. Has anyone got any thoughts on this? How do the big guys do it? Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 04:27:12 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:27:12 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106713632.5480.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi , Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and probably don't have time to burn a master, but thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure if a negative master can be made for a DVD, especially for the new 2 layer DVDs. Jim > um - for CDs, dont they just generate a negative master and stamp out cds ? > Can it be done for DVDs - i dont know. > Burning 1 million 'free AOL' cds would be really uneconomical. . > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of jim > ruxton > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:55 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: DVD burner farm > > > I'm looking at putting together a system that will burn 50 > DVDs at a time. I'd like to use 16x Burners such as the Pioneer > http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdwriters/dvr108/ I would like to > be able to send the DVD burner farm an iso image via a network > connection or firewire perhaps. Of course I'd like the system to be > Linux based but can't be too fussy. I've seen duplicators like this > around http://www.americal.com/pg/pioneer-16x-dvd-duplicators.html#nine > however as far as I can tell they all need to have a source DVD first. > Has anyone got any thoughts on this? How do the big guys do it? > Jim > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 04:39:33 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:39:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106713632.5480.7.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106713632.5480.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and > probably don't have time to burn a master... What sort of production volume are you looking at? The stamping processes used in commercial production of CDs and DVDs are *much* cheaper than any burning process... provided you are buying hundreds or thousands of copies. (And provided you're willing to deal with a factory; this is not something you can do in your basement.) Those processes can also do things you *cannot* do with burning, like producing honest-to-God DVDs (not DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs). The differences go deeper than just the physical details of the disks; for example, if I recall correctly, you cannot burn a DVD which has region codes or the commercial-DVD encryption, because the "keys" region of the disk is unwritable (all zeros) in all the consumer-priced burnable formats. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 05:51:39 2005 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:51:39 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just curious why one would be interested in DVD Region Coding or the Content Scrambling System? Unless your a member of the MPAA, of course. Mr. Spencer is right, though. If you're talking about any significant volume, stamping should be cheaper. My 5 cents. Amos "The Compudoc" Weatherill -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Henry Spencer Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:40 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: DVD burner farm On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and > probably don't have time to burn a master... What sort of production volume are you looking at? The stamping processes used in commercial production of CDs and DVDs are *much* cheaper than any burning process... provided you are buying hundreds or thousands of copies. (And provided you're willing to deal with a factory; this is not something you can do in your basement.) Those processes can also do things you *cannot* do with burning, like producing honest-to-God DVDs (not DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs). The differences go deeper than just the physical details of the disks; for example, if I recall correctly, you cannot burn a DVD which has region codes or the commercial-DVD encryption, because the "keys" region of the disk is unwritable (all zeros) in all the consumer-priced burnable formats. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.841 / Virus Database: 572 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.841 / Virus Database: 572 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 06:51:21 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:51:21 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106722281.5670.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> As I said earlier the problem with stamping is I need output right away ie. I'm shooting something then need a bunch of DVDs so stamping is out of the question. Jim > Just curious why one would be interested in DVD Region Coding or the Content > Scrambling System? > Unless your a member of the MPAA, of course. > > Mr. Spencer is right, though. If you're talking about any significant > volume, stamping should be cheaper. > > My 5 cents. > Amos "The Compudoc" Weatherill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Henry > Spencer > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:40 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: DVD burner farm > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and > > probably don't have time to burn a master... > > What sort of production volume are you looking at? The stamping processes > used in commercial production of CDs and DVDs are *much* cheaper than any > burning process... provided you are buying hundreds or thousands of copies. > (And provided you're willing to deal with a factory; this is not something > you can do in your basement.) > > Those processes can also do things you *cannot* do with burning, like > producing honest-to-God DVDs (not DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs). The differences go > deeper than just the physical details of the disks; for example, if I > recall correctly, you cannot burn a DVD which has region codes or the > commercial-DVD encryption, because the "keys" region of the disk is > unwritable (all zeros) in all the consumer-priced burnable formats. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From a67582000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 12:33:57 2005 From: a67582000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Edward Hamilton) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:33:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: GIS on Linux? In-Reply-To: <200501252101.29341.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501252101.29341.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050126123357.98197.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Wondering if anybody is fimilar with what GIS packages are available on Linux? I am running Apache on Redhat and am looking for a simple, standalone method for returning lat/long from an applet displaying a city map(Toronto, etc). I am not so sure I want to incorporate a commercial GIS solution(server,etc,etc), and additionally, don't really want to perform queries on a remote source(ie. mapquest, etc) if I don't have to. I've looked at Mapserver(http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu) but the setup/complexity seems a little involved for the limited scope of the problem. Any suggsestions? Thanks in advance __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:14:24 2005 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:14:24 -0500 Subject: GIS on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050126123357.98197.qmail-s7oeV+4pvuqA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126123357.98197.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41F797B0.4060007@rogers.com> Edward Hamilton wrote: >Hi, > >Wondering if anybody is fimilar with what GIS packages >are available on Linux? > > Try the following: http://gislounge.com/ll/opensource.shtml http://opensourcegis.org/ http://openmap.bbn.com/ paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:29:53 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:29:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Amos H. Weatherill wrote: > Just curious why one would be interested in DVD Region Coding or the Content > Scrambling System? Unless your a member of the MPAA, of course. People are interested in the strangest things. :-) Also, the closer your disks are to a standard commercial stamped DVD, the fewer old/stupid/broken players will have trouble with them. I'd be a little surprised to see a player that insisted on seeing a region code or CSS, but only a little. > Mr. Spencer is right, though. If you're talking about any significant > volume, stamping should be cheaper. Moreover, there is no burnable format that will reliably work in all players. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:41:09 2005 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (FM (a.k.a. Erebus)) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:09 -0500 Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box (don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? Thanks Frank in Mississauga erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:43:00 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:43:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106722281.5670.14.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106722281.5670.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > As I said earlier the problem with stamping is I need output right away > ie. I'm shooting something then need a bunch of DVDs so stamping is out > of the question. I expect there are places which could do a fast-turnaround stamping run for you -- for a premium price -- but I'd guess you're still looking at a turnaround time of a day or two. If even that is intolerable delay, you are going to have to burn, and accept the disadvantages of that (like not being compatible with all players). Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:43:35 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:43:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <20050126134056.F6519@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one > mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box > (don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I > can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? You can install Cygwin and use the X server that comes with it to make a connection to the Linux and FreeBSD boxes. In this case you are effectively using your WinXP box as a thinclient (along with using it normally). Setup the *nix boxes to accept XDMCP broadcasts and then start X on the WinXP box with "/path/to/X -broadcast". All going well you'll get logins to the *nix boxes and can use them as if you were local. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 13:49:02 2005 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:49:02 -0500 Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41F79FCE.7030003@sympatico.ca> I use TightVNC and Putty to do this same thing. Works well for me. http://www.tightvnc.com/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ Jay FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: >I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one >mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box >(don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I >can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? > >Thanks > >Frank in Mississauga >erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:37:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:37:19 -0500 Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: <20050126134056.F6519-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> <20050126134056.F6519@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050126143719.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:43:35PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > > >I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one > >mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box > >(don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I > >can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? > > You can install Cygwin and use the X server that comes with it to make a > connection to the Linux and FreeBSD boxes. In this case you are > effectively using your WinXP box as a thinclient (along with using it > normally). > > Setup the *nix boxes to accept XDMCP broadcasts and then start X on the > WinXP box with "/path/to/X -broadcast". > > All going well you'll get logins to the *nix boxes and can use them as if > you were local. I have always used X -query Who wants random connections if you have multiple servers accepting xdm traffic? I don't like broadcast protocols in general when they can be avoided. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:46:24 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:46:24 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106711684.5611.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050126144624.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:54:44PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm looking at putting together a system that will burn 50 > DVDs at a time. I'd like to use 16x Burners such as the Pioneer > http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdwriters/dvr108/ I would like to > be able to send the DVD burner farm an iso image via a network > connection or firewire perhaps. Of course I'd like the system to be > Linux based but can't be too fussy. I've seen duplicators like this > around http://www.americal.com/pg/pioneer-16x-dvd-duplicators.html#nine > however as far as I can tell they all need to have a source DVD first. > Has anyone got any thoughts on this? How do the big guys do it? I saw one system a few years ago (using Win NT 4 on the host) that had 4 SCSI plextor writers, and a SCSI robotic for loading the CDs from a spindle into the drives, and it had it's own software that would write to the drives when they were ready and verify discs and such. It also had a B/W CD printer that it ran the CD through after it was verified, and would print cross hatches on the CD if it was a coaster. Seemed pretty neat, but proprietary. On Linux you could certainly (given enough IO bandwidth, or enough ram to cache the image to write) handle writing to multiple drives at once (if IDE, don't let them share the same controller cable, or you may have problems, but then again maybe you won't). 50 seems like an awful lot to do at once if you don't have an automatic way to load the discs. You could barely keep up changing discs by hand in the time a 16x drive writes discs. You probably couldn't keep up. And how are they going to be labeled? Epson has some nice CD/DVD capable printers (R200, R300, etc) that make nice looking discs. Now if you had a very large case, I wonder if you could run 12 SATA plextor writers from a 3ware controller card. That would be pretty neat. I still suspect bandwidth would be an issue. 16x1.3MB/s = 25MB/s (to get a nice round number and allow for some overhead). PCI bus = 132MB/s (theoretically). 66MHz 64bit PCI = 500MB/s. So if you had a 64bit 66MHz PCI server to run it, you could potentially run 12 drives of a controller and not saturate the bus. Most of the dedicated duplication systems have custom hardware that simply reads from the source drive and writes to all the other drives at the same time on separate channels. They are designed for it and don't have the limitations of a standard bus (and most of them probably use slower drives still). Oh well, enough babbling from me. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:47:40 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:47:40 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050126144740.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:11:32PM -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > um - for CDs, dont they just generate a negative master and stamp out cds ? > Can it be done for DVDs - i dont know. Yes it can, even dual layer. no way to make them for $0.25 each otherwise (and they include DVDs in cereal boxes, so they can't cost more than that anymore). > Burning 1 million 'free AOL' cds would be really uneconomical. . But it might make them go out of business quickly so we could encourage them to try it. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:49:33 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:49:33 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106713632.5480.7.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106713632.5480.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050126144933.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:27:12PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Hi , > Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and > probably don't have time to burn a master, but thanks for the > suggestion. I'm not sure if a negative master can be made for a DVD, > especially for the new 2 layer DVDs. I think it essentially involves a nagative master of a type for each layer that get stamped seperately into the final product. Certainly haven't had any ability to burn dual layer for anywhere near as long as you have been able to get them commercially, and the commercial DVDs are all silver, no dye at all. They are stamped out. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:52:30 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:52:30 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: <1106713632.5480.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050126145230.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:39:33PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > Even if that is true I want to be able to quickly pump out the DVDs and > > probably don't have time to burn a master... > > What sort of production volume are you looking at? The stamping processes > used in commercial production of CDs and DVDs are *much* cheaper than any > burning process... provided you are buying hundreds or thousands of copies. > (And provided you're willing to deal with a factory; this is not something > you can do in your basement.) > > Those processes can also do things you *cannot* do with burning, like > producing honest-to-God DVDs (not DVD-Rs or DVD+Rs). The differences go > deeper than just the physical details of the disks; for example, if I > recall correctly, you cannot burn a DVD which has region codes or the > commercial-DVD encryption, because the "keys" region of the disk is > unwritable (all zeros) in all the consumer-priced burnable formats. Someone with a DVD-R(A) drive can do region coding. A DVD-R(G) drive can not. The former costs $xxxx while the later costs $1xx. DVD-R(A) (A for authoring, G for general purpose) are also up in the $10+ per disc last I checked. The pioneer DVR-201 and such I believe are DVD-R(A) drives. And yeah many older players can not play any burned discs, while they can all play the stamped discs no problem (as long as the software and firmware don't have any arguments). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 16:03:18 2005 From: kburtch-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ken O. Burtch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:03:18 -0500 Subject: New PegaSoft mailing lists Message-ID: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> The PegaSoft mailing list server suffered a major failure last month. We now have new mailing lists available on a new server. If you were on the original mailing lists, you can sign up to the new lists through the mailing list web page at http://www.pegasoft.ca/mailing_lists.html Ken B. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 16:29:03 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:29:03 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 Message-ID: <41F7C54F.4030300@alteeve.com> Has anyone got Tomcat4 talking to MySql on FC3? I can't find a mysql-jdbc. I am currently going in circles between dev.mysql.com, jakarta.apache.org/tomcat and some out-of-date how-tos. A pointer to a good walk through would be nice. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 16:14:30 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:14:30 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <1106711684.5611.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:54:44 -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm looking at putting together a system that will burn 50 > DVDs at a time. I'd like to use 16x Burners such as the Pioneer > http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdwriters/dvr108/ I would like to > be able to send the DVD burner farm an iso image via a network > connection or firewire perhaps. Of course I'd like the system to be > Linux based but can't be too fussy. I've seen duplicators like this > around http://www.americal.com/pg/pioneer-16x-dvd-duplicators.html#nine > however as far as I can tell they all need to have a source DVD first. In the event that you decided you want to burn a source DVD first, you could then use something like this DVD multiplier http://www.sonnam.com/duplicator.asp?S=719767749 to burn your copies. This strikes me as a simpler approach than a 'burn farm' that's being proposed. I'm not familiar with how long it takes to burn a DVD, but I know that I can burn a CD in a few minutes -- and I can't imagine that a DVD would take much longer. Finally, the answer depends on your budget (time and money) -- how fast do you want it, and how much money do you have to spend? Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 17:05:40 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:05:40 -0500 Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41F7CDE4.6040202@rogers.com> FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one > mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box > (don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I > can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? Your choices are VNC or a Windows X server. There are several commercial or freebee X servers available. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 17:07:58 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:07:58 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 Message-ID: This is the one I downloaded from mysql's website: mysql-connector-java-3.0.15-ga-bin.jar -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 26, 2005 11:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 Has anyone got Tomcat4 talking to MySql on FC3? I can't find a mysql-jdbc. I am currently going in circles between dev.mysql.com, jakarta.apache.org/tomcat and some out-of-date how-tos. A pointer to a good walk through would be nice. Thanks, Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41f7c57b145041977015694! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 14:21:16 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:21:16 +0200 (IST) Subject: Avoiding KVM Switch? In-Reply-To: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126134121.CF8CB6DCE6@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > I have a similar problem (multiple PCs, one monitor, one keyboard, one > mouse). If I have a headless Linux box (FC3) and a headless FreeBSD box > (don't ask, long story) what software do I need on my WinXP box so that I > can use a GNOME desktop on them from my WinXP box? vnc / vncserver on the machines and vncviewer on the XP machine for viewing and interacting should work. There exists a text mode vnc server but I don't know if it works with your version of FreeBSD. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 16:56:15 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 26 Jan 2005 11:56:15 -0500 Subject: Console and serial In-Reply-To: <20050125151457.GM31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050125151457.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 06:07:44PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > > I am not very familiar with hot to setup a console with linux. I want to > > connnect one pc to a server through a serial cable with com1 so that I can > > see all console messages. I'm not even sure where to begin... Any help is > > greatly appreceated. > > Seomthing like "console=ttyS0,38400" or whatever settings you like in > your lilo append line or on the kernel line in grub should do it if the > kernel has support for serial console enabled. inittab should have an > example entry for a matching serial getty if you want to also allow > logins from the serial port. For complete details: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.html -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 17:45:28 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:45:28 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F7D738.4080602@alteeve.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > This is the one I downloaded from mysql's website: > mysql-connector-java-3.0.15-ga-bin.jar > Thanks, That seemed to work. Now I'm back to the original error: java.sql.SQLException: General error message from server: "Access denied for user: '@host.name' to database 'Library'" I'm beginning to think this error isn't telling me the hole story. Anyway, gotta poke around in server.xml to figure this one out... Again Thanks, Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 17:45:27 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:45:27 -0700 Subject: Console and serial In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 06:07:44PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > > I am not very familiar with hot to setup a console with linux. I want to > > connnect one pc to a server through a serial cable with com1 so that I can > > see all console messages. I'm not even sure where to begin... Any help is > > greatly appreceated. > > Seomthing like "console=ttyS0,38400" or whatever settings you like in > your lilo append line or on the kernel line in grub should do it if the > kernel has support for serial console enabled. inittab should have an > example entry for a matching serial getty if you want to also allow > logins from the serial port. one potential gotcha is that you must not select the 'auto' on your console client baud rate when you use it to view boot messages- i have had a bit of a problem with that working out of the box on most machines. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 18:54:39 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:54:39 -0500 Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <1106755397.3897.2.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org> References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> Message-ID: <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> Is there a way by chance to automatically reboot ADSL modem by sending some sort of signal to it from a locally connected computer? My ADSL connection does not work perfectely well. It happens that it brakes up. Modem attempts to establish connection again, but it happens that it hangs up and is able to get online only after hard rebooting. I would prefer to do this automatically, not by hand. TThis BB0040 Gnet model. zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 17:12:54 2005 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:12:54 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: <1106711684.5611.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41F7CF96.9080209@ksmultimedia.com> > >I'm not familiar with how long it takes to burn a DVD, but I know that >I can burn a CD in a few minutes -- and I can't imagine that a DVD >would take much longer. > >Finally, the answer depends on your budget (time and money) -- how >fast do you want it, and how much money do you have to spend? > >Alex >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > It usually takes me about 10 minutes to cashe a DVD, and about 15 more to actually burn it. I am using an LG 12X burner, but I have never been able to get it to burn at anything over 4X. I am told the 8X media I am using from RiData could be the problem. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:06:33 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:06:33 -0500 Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <41F7E76F.50609-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>; from zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:54:39PM -0500 References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050126140633.A22978@ee.ryerson.ca> For what it's worth, these same symptoms occur on a Windows 98 machine at my place using a BB0069 GVC ADSL modem, which is connected to the windows box by a USB cable. Having to constantly reboot during a networking session is a major pain. I'm currently in the process of installing a BB0060 GVC ADSL modem that uses the LAN interface of the computer instead of USB. Then I hope that will also play with Suse Linux which is on the same box. I will report whether this works any better. Peter On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:54:39PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Is there a way by chance to automatically reboot ADSL modem by sending > some sort of signal to it from a locally connected computer? > > My ADSL connection does not work perfectely well. It happens that it > brakes up. Modem attempts to establish connection again, but it happens > that it hangs up and is able to get online only after hard rebooting. I > would prefer to do this automatically, not by hand. > > TThis BB0040 Gnet model. > > zb. > > -- > Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions > Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking > Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 > Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:07:29 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:07:29 -0700 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: <41F7CF96.9080209-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7CF96.9080209@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Sidney Shapiro Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:13 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: DVD burner farm > >I'm not familiar with how long it takes to burn a DVD, but I know that >I can burn a CD in a few minutes -- and I can't imagine that a DVD >would take much longer. > >Finally, the answer depends on your budget (time and money) -- how >fast do you want it, and how much money do you have to spend? > >Alex >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > It usually takes me about 10 minutes to cashe a DVD, and about 15 more to actually burn it. I am using an LG 12X burner, but I have never been able to get it to burn at anything over 4X. I am told the 8X media I am using from RiData could be the problem. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml One more thing of interest is that when you 'burn' a DVD it isnt really a DVD as you know it. It is a DVD-R with data or video on it. If youre interested in creating mass market 'video' DVDs then DVD-Rs are not the way to go - youll have customers complain that they cant view the movie in all players (since they are not using computers). Also - there is no way to write the universal dvd area code as DVD-Rs cannot be written at that disk location. Some players may not function without that set. To commercially make video-dvds the best option is to create a master and quickly punch out as many copies as you need - but this isnt a basement operation - you need a factory. This wont work on dual layer disks - but you dont have to worry, AFAIK no dvd player supports a dual layer disk anyway (except a few really high end ones - but then there are no movie releases on dual layer disk) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:32:13 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:32:13 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 Message-ID: You need user/password for jdbc connecting to MySQL. -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: January 26, 2005 12:45 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 Phillip Qin wrote: > This is the one I downloaded from mysql's website: > mysql-connector-java-3.0.15-ga-bin.jar > Thanks, That seemed to work. Now I'm back to the original error: java.sql.SQLException: General error message from server: "Access denied for user: '@host.name' to database 'Library'" I'm beginning to think this error isn't telling me the hole story. Anyway, gotta poke around in server.xml to figure this one out... Again Thanks, Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41f7d778158781788917093! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:38:44 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:38:44 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41F7D738.4080602-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7D738.4080602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Make sure your account is set up access MySQL from host.name and not just localhost. On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Phillip Qin wrote: >> This is the one I downloaded from mysql's website: >> mysql-connector-java-3.0.15-ga-bin.jar > > Thanks, That seemed to work. > > Now I'm back to the original error: > > java.sql.SQLException: General error message from server: "Access > denied for user: '@host.name' to database 'Library'" > > I'm beginning to think this error isn't telling me the hole story. > Anyway, gotta poke around in server.xml to figure this one out... > > Again Thanks, > > Lance > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Ralph Markham rem-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:50:22 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: Tomcat->MySql on FC3 In-Reply-To: References: <41F7D738.4080602@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41F7F47E.1080402@alteeve.com> Ralph Markham wrote: > > Make sure your account is set up access MySQL from host.name and not > just localhost. > Once I got her .jsp's where Tomcat could find them, and removed some old cruft from dead projects, it all seems to work! Thanks for the help guys! Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 19:58:03 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:03 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: <41F7CF96.9080209@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:07:29 -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > One more thing of interest is that when you 'burn' a DVD it isnt really a > DVD as you know it. It is a DVD-R with data or video on it. If youre And that's "not a DVD" how? It's not a pressed DVD for sure, but it sure still is a DVD. > interested in creating mass market 'video' DVDs then DVD-Rs are not the way "Video DVD"s are less different from any other DVD than Audio CDs/Video CDs are from Data CDs (which is VERY). > to go - youll have customers complain that they cant view the movie in all > players (since they are not using computers). Also - there is no way to You'll have customers complain anyway. If you burn to DVD+Rs, pretty much anyone with a Macintosh will be unable to read it. It's a function of the drive firmware more than anything. > write the universal dvd area code as DVD-Rs cannot be written at that disk > location. Some players may not function without that set. To commercially Probably so. > make video-dvds the best option is to create a master and quickly punch out > as many copies as you need - but this isnt a basement operation - you need a > factory. Yup. > This wont work on dual layer disks - but you dont have to worry, Bullshit. See below. > AFAIK no dvd player supports a dual layer disk anyway (except a few really > high end ones - but then there are no movie releases on dual layer disk) More bullshit. Fantasia 2000 (one of the first really popular DVDs) was a dual-layer DVD. Guess what: it came out a good 5 years ago. DVDs were designed from day 1 to be dual layer (and double sided). Each layer contains 4.7GB; each dual-layer side can therefore contain about 9GB, for a total of 18GB on both sides of a dual-layer disc. Go look in your DVD movie library. A good number of them will very clearly state "This is a dual-layer disc." Dual-layer BURNERS and BLANKS have only just become available. Pretty much any DVD burner you get as of now will be a dual-layer burner, but the blanks are still around $20/ea (versus closer to $20 for 50 for the single-layer blanks). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:15:33 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:15:33 -0500 Subject: pop3 on FC3 Message-ID: <41F7FA65.1060103@alteeve.com> I see that FC3 dosen't have imapd Instead, I have a choice of Dovecot or Cryus. My question is, what would be the least painful to use? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:15:34 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:15:34 -0700 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup. > This wont work on dual layer disks - but you dont have to worry, Bullshit. See below. my mistake - Double Layer disks are quite popular in the movie industry especially with the double sided disks with widescreen/normal options as i can see on google - and the readers are fairly simple as you only need to refocus the laser at a different layer. But the process for mass production seems to be a bit more complex. CDs could simply be stamped once. DVDS you need to stamp them, and deposit another layer of substrate and then stamp again. I doubt that this is a trivial thing to do. Thats probably why commercial cds cost a few cents and dvds cost a lot more. my point of view was that burning a DL disk is a fair bit more time-consuming. There may not be much of a cost difference between stamping and burning CDs, but DVDs may change that equation and it might not be economical to mass-burn dvds at all. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:34:45 2005 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John M. Moniz) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:34:45 -0500 Subject: Paul Mora's NewTLUG Presentation Message-ID: <41F7FEE5.4070401@sympatico.ca> Paul; I'd like to thank you for your excellent presentation last night at NewTLUG. It's a pleasure to have a presenter who knows the subject so comfortably well and also be able to present it in such a clear and concise manner - a real treat. On the way out, I heard several people comment about the professional quality of your talk. I look forward to attending any future sessions you may hold, although I recognize that you may not be in a position to do this very often. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 20:37:51 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:37:51 -0500 Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <20050126140633.A22978-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> <20050126140633.A22978@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41F7FF9F.6030004@istop.com> Actually, it is possible to connect to my model by using console and eg minicom. Once connected, one needs to enter command "restart" to reboot the modem. I strongly suspect that that could be automated, but no wise idea comes to my mind how that could be done. Idea ideas? zb. Peter Hiscocks wrote: > For what it's worth, these same symptoms occur on a Windows 98 machine at my > place using a BB0069 GVC ADSL modem, which is connected to the windows box > by a USB cable. Having to constantly reboot during a networking session is a > major pain. > > I'm currently in the process of installing a BB0060 GVC ADSL modem that uses > the LAN interface of the computer instead of USB. Then I hope that will also > play with Suse Linux which is on the same box. I will report whether this > works any better. > > Peter > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 01:54:39PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >>Is there a way by chance to automatically reboot ADSL modem by sending >>some sort of signal to it from a locally connected computer? >> >>My ADSL connection does not work perfectely well. It happens that it >>brakes up. Modem attempts to establish connection again, but it happens >>that it hangs up and is able to get online only after hard rebooting. I >>would prefer to do this automatically, not by hand. >> >>TThis BB0040 Gnet model. >> >>zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:41:11 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:41:11 -0500 Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <41F7FF9F.6030004-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> <20050126140633.A22978@ee.ryerson.ca> <41F7FF9F.6030004@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050126214111.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:37:51PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Actually, it is possible to connect to my model by using console and eg > minicom. Once connected, one needs to enter command "restart" to reboot > the modem. > > I strongly suspect that that could be automated, but no wise idea comes > to my mind how that could be done. Idea ideas? chat or expect talking to the serial port with a script. chat is especially good at it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:08:46 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:08:46 +0200 (IST) Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <41F7FF9F.6030004-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> <20050126140633.A22978@ee.ryerson.ca> <41F7FF9F.6030004@istop.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Actually, it is possible to connect to my model by using console and eg > minicom. Once connected, one needs to enter command "restart" to reboot the > modem. > > I strongly suspect that that could be automated, but no wise idea comes to my > mind how that could be done. Idea ideas? man expect maybe chat is enough if it's a serial line. Expect handles everything. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:46:52 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:46:52 -0500 Subject: DVD burner farm In-Reply-To: References: <41F7CF96.9080209@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20050126214652.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:07:29PM -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > One more thing of interest is that when you 'burn' a DVD it isnt really a > DVD as you know it. It is a DVD-R with data or video on it. If youre > interested in creating mass market 'video' DVDs then DVD-Rs are not the way > to go - youll have customers complain that they cant view the movie in all > players (since they are not using computers). Also - there is no way to > write the universal dvd area code as DVD-Rs cannot be written at that disk > location. Some players may not function without that set. To commercially > make video-dvds the best option is to create a master and quickly punch out > as many copies as you need - but this isnt a basement operation - you need a > factory. This wont work on dual layer disks - but you dont have to worry, > AFAIK no dvd player supports a dual layer disk anyway (except a few really > high end ones - but then there are no movie releases on dual layer disk) Almost all commercially made DVD videos are dual layer and have been for years. A single layer single sided DVD only holds 2.5hours, so you figure how long the movie + extras take on many current releases and you will see why they needed dual layer. Also conviniently makes them much harder to rip and copy to DVD-R since they won't fit without deleting something and then you have to reindex everything and it's just a hasle. Some early DVDs were single layer dual sided to cut costs (and since dual layer manufacturing wasn't quite ready yet) but people generalyl dislike not having a pretty label on the movie to make it easy to tell which one it is (lethal weapon 4 for example has a 3mm label around the inner ring and is a real pain to read.) All DVD players must support dual layer DVDs although I think some made in the first few months of DVDs coming out may have had trouble reading them. Certainly players from 5 years ago had no such trouble (although many could not read CD-R or CD-RW, never mind DVD-R/DVD+R) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:52:35 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:52:35 -0500 Subject: pop3 on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41F7FA65.1060103-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7FA65.1060103@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050126215235.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > I see that FC3 dosen't have imapd > > Instead, I have a choice of Dovecot or Cryus. > > My question is, what would be the least painful to use? Never used either. uw-imapd was a pain in the past, but courier-imap has always been nice to me. It does require use of Maildir rather than mbox format though, which I think is great, while some other people may not like it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:24:22 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:24:22 -0500 Subject: pop3 on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41F7FA65.1060103-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7FA65.1060103@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41F80A86.1090303@pobox.com> Lance F. Squire wrote: > I see that FC3 dosen't have imapd > > Instead, I have a choice of Dovecot or Cryus. > > My question is, what would be the least painful to use? > > Lance Dovecot is an IMAP and POP3 server. I use it for IMAP, and it's painless as long as you set up your mail folders in Maildir+ format. I chose it because it was fire and forget, so to speak, with the Debian package, unlike Cyrus or Courier. Both of the latter are relatively large and complex; IIRC Cyrus uses some sort of proprietary mail database format. It looked a lot more involved to set up. I presume the POP server is similarly simple. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 23:31:00 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:31:00 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 24, 2005 04:25 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > > Let me guess: from kdm, you log in as a regular user, then in an xterm, > you su to root? If so, the problem is that the info needed by X's > authorization thingee is in the regular user's .Xauthority, not root's. > Try try logging in as root, or running "xhost +" before su-ing to root. > > JV Hey John, As a follow-up, it seems that I have to run 'xhost +' each time I reboot (when I intend to run apps like synaptic or the Libranet Xadminmenu). It would probably be simple enough to add 'xhost +' to my startup routine, but it doesn't really address why I now need to do this. Would you have any clue why it seems to reset itself? Many thanks, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 00:04:47 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:04:47 -0500 Subject: rebooting ADSL modem In-Reply-To: <20050126214111.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1106755397.3897.2.camel@linux.site> <41F7E76F.50609@istop.com> <20050126140633.A22978@ee.ryerson.ca> <41F7FF9F.6030004@istop.com> <20050126214111.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41F8301F.2040209@istop.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>Actually, it is possible to connect to my model by using console and eg >>minicom. Once connected, one needs to enter command "restart" to reboot >>the modem. >> >>I strongly suspect that that could be automated, but no wise idea comes >>to my mind how that could be done. Idea ideas? > > > chat or expect talking to the serial port with a script. chat is > especially good at it. Peter P. suggested expect as well. Thanks to both. It works for me with expect (nice to have a glimpse to expect). Though this is a bit ugly way. Now I learned also that it should be possible to do this by using perl. I leave that as a next subject of my homework. zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denisc-MAEtQwdlj00 at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 26 21:45:17 2005 From: denisc-MAEtQwdlj00 at public.gmane.org (Denis Casserly) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:45:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: City opens center to promote business possibilities for Linux Message-ID: <200501261645.17808.denisc@aebc.com> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: City opens center to promote business possibilities for Linux Date: January 26, 2005 02:20 pm From: Carl Chaplin To: "Mr. Carl Chaplin" http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050126/BUSINESS/501260320/1 040 Oregon is new hub of open software City opens center to promote business possibilities for Linux BY WILLIAM MCCALL The Associated Press January 26, 2005 BEAVERTON -- Linux has found a second home in Oregon. Building on the arrival last year of Linux developer Linus Torvalds, officials in the Portland suburb of Beaverton on Tuesday announced the creation of a business center to help translate open-source software into tools and products to build new companies. Gov. Ted Kulongoski joined Beaverton Mayor Rob Drake to welcome entrepreneurs to the new Open Technology Business Center with hopes that they can take advantage of Linux software that is taking over an increasing share of the multibillion-dollar market once dominated by Microsoft Corp. "I truly believe this is the new technology wave," Kulongoski said after a speech to mark the opening of the center. Torvalds moved from California's Silicon Valley to Portland last summer to join the Open Source Development Labs, funded by high-tech companies to develop and tailor Linux for various computer systems, ranging from retailers to government, financial services, universities and utilities. Torvalds created Linux in 1991 while a university student in Finland. The core, or kernel, of the software can be used as a building block for more sophisticated or customized computer programming that initially was distributed for free and now is seen as a low-cost alternative to Microsoft products. "The remarkable growth of Linux, one of the most successful examples of open technology to date, has created opportunity for all sorts of new businesses," said Stuart Cohen, CEO of the Open Source Development Labs. Unlike the programming codes that Microsoft keeps secret, Linux code is shared globally and can be modified by individual users. It quickly found its way into servers, the computers that connect and store data for individual desktop computers, but it increasingly is being offered by computer manufacturers for desktop machines. The new open-technology center was funded with a $1.2 million grant from the city of Beaverton. ------------------------------------------------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 04:17:25 2005 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:17:25 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <200501261831.00757.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli@linux.ca> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:31:00 -0500 Matt Cahill wrote: > On January 24, 2005 04:25 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > > Let me guess: from kdm, you log in as a regular user, then in an > > xterm, you su to root? If so, the problem is that the info needed > > by X's authorization thingee is in the regular user's .Xauthority, > > not root's. Try try logging in as root, or running "xhost +" before > > su-ing to root. As a follow-up, it seems that I have to run 'xhost > > +' each time I reboot > (when I intend to run apps like synaptic or the Libranet Xadminmenu). > It would probably be simple enough to add 'xhost +' to my startup > routine, but it doesn't really address why I now need to do this. > Would you have any clue why it seems to reset itself? Well, disabling access control with "xhost +" is considered to be insecure, since then anybody who can access your machine's port 6000 (or 6001, or 6002, etc. depending on how many X servers you have running) could then put their windows on your display, destroy windows that your applications are using, take snapshots of your desktop (maybe), or change your wallpaper to pictures of Michael Jackson. So "xhost -" is the default. JV -- Rules build up fortifications behind which small minds create satrapies. A perilous state of affairs in the best of times, disastrous during crises. -- Bene Gesserit Coda -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 14:23:19 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:23:19 -0500 Subject: OpenSolaris? Message-ID: <20050127142319.GA15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I note that Sun is opening the Solaris code under the CDDL (cuddle - a bit of clever marketing, that). I'd be interested in hearing a presentation of the differences between Linux and Solaris, and/or an assessment of the CDDL license and/or a "What this code and these 1600 patents mean to Linux" talk. Is there a Sun office in Toronto who might send a non-marketing flack to a TLUG meeting? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 14:32:07 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:32:07 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages Message-ID: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 15:02:52 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:02:52 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127143207.GB15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <844F0430-7074-11D9-BF23-0030653FA336@rogers.com> There should be something, I know that both SuSE & Mandrake have utilities for installing/removing/updating rpms from the CDs or over the net. On Jan 27, 2005, at 9:32 AM, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux > ES > machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a > number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience > of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs > manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. > -- > > yours, > > William > > -- Ralph Markham rem-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 15:22:09 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:22:09 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: <200501271022.09798.BGarel@clublink.ca> Further proof that the world is going to He!! is that there really are some people out there that are cold blooded and cruel enough to actually change someones wallpaper as suggested below...some people are so cruel...I think I'd rather install Windows 3.1 than have to face that wallpaper! ;) B On Wednesday 26 January 2005 11:17, John Vetterli wrote: > applications are using, take snapshots of your desktop (maybe), or > change your wallpaper to pictures of Michael Jackson. So "xhost -" is > the default. > > JV -- ELF -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 15:37:45 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:37:45 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127143207.GB15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050127103745.75q13f45hhscooks@www.almatau.com> Quoting William O'Higgins : > I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES > machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a > number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience > of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs > manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. If you mean updates installation, there is up2date for those needs. It doesn't resolve dependencies as good as dpkg does, but at least tells you what is available, gets and installs stuff. Oh, you need a paid subscription for "channel" to download those updates. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 15:35:50 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: <20050127152324.R6519@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, John Vetterli wrote: > Well, disabling access control with "xhost +" is considered to be > insecure, since then anybody who can access your machine's port 6000 (or Yes, xhost + is a bad idea. > 6001, or 6002, etc. depending on how many X servers you have running) > could then put their windows on your display, destroy windows that your > applications are using, take snapshots of your desktop (maybe), or Definitely - xwd can be used to do this. Stealing keystrokes is another possibility. I used to have a piece of reference code that would steal keystrokes from an insecure X desktop. I seem to have misplaced it. > change your wallpaper to pictures of Michael Jackson. So "xhost -" is > the default. These days X11 forwarding over ssh can be used to allow secure remote access anyway. Only do this if you trust the admins on the remote box though. The rule of only using a box if you trust the admins should hold anyway. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:09:02 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:09:02 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <200501261831.00757.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050127160902.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 06:31:00PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > As a follow-up, it seems that I have to run 'xhost +' each time I reboot > (when I intend to run apps like synaptic or the Libranet Xadminmenu). It > would probably be simple enough to add 'xhost +' to my startup routine, but > it doesn't really address why I now need to do this. Would you have any clue > why it seems to reset itself? Because it is a setting in your current X session. It isn't saved anywhere (why should it be?) If you want a permanent solution, look into adding your Xauthentication token to root's xauth collection. Man xauth should have enough info on using that. Even doing this as root works although only for the current shell of course: export XAUTHORITY=~loggedinuser/.Xauthority export DISPLAY=:0.0 then run programs. xauth is the permanent solution. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:10:18 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:10:18 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <20050124162513.30ee6d96.jvetterli@linux.ca> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050126231725.6e3fcd09.jvetterli@linux.ca> Message-ID: <20050127161018.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:17:25PM -0500, John Vetterli wrote: > Well, disabling access control with "xhost +" is considered to be > insecure, since then anybody who can access your machine's port 6000 (or > 6001, or 6002, etc. depending on how many X servers you have running) > could then put their windows on your display, destroy windows that your > applications are using, take snapshots of your desktop (maybe), or > change your wallpaper to pictures of Michael Jackson. So "xhost -" is > the default. No sane distribution defaults to allowing network connections to X anymore. Only unix sockets are enabled by default. Of course if you do enable network connections on your X server then yes xhost + is a very bad idea. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:12:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127143207.GB15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050127161236.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:32:07AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES > machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a > number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience > of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs > manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. Well some people install the port of apt-get on RedHat to fix exactly that problem. No idea how well it works, since apt-get still depends on the quality of the dependancy definitions to help it figure out what needs installing. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:30:35 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:30:35 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127161236.GG31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050127161236.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41F9172B.2080000@knet.ca> Using RPMS packages consistently can be a problem. When RPMS packages start tripping over each other. If possible, use source.tars. Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:32:07AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > > >>I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES >>machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a >>number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience >>of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs >>manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally >>foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. >> >> > >Well some people install the port of apt-get on RedHat to fix exactly >that problem. No idea how well it works, since apt-get still depends on >the quality of the dependancy definitions to help it figure out what >needs installing. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 11:11:17 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:11:17 +0000 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127143207.GB15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200501271111.17602.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On January 27, 2005 02:32 pm, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES > machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a > number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience > of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs > manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. Look into using yum good description here: http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/yum-package-manager.html I'm sure there are lots of repositories for rhel 3. ( whitebox and centos both use yum - fully rhel compatible ) But, I am pretty sure that by doing so you will void any support you have with RedHat. Also, there is the debian user friendly way. look here for apt on RHEL http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B look here for the apt rpm's http://dag.wieers.com/packages/apt/ sources.list # Dag RPM Repository for Red Hat Enterprise Linux rpm http://apt.sw.be redhat/el3/en/i386 dag good luck. ( with rpm based distro's, you'll need it ) -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:05:58 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:05:58 -0500 Subject: pop3 on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41F80A86.1090303-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7FA65.1060103@alteeve.com> <41F80A86.1090303@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20050127160557.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 04:24:22PM -0500, Andrej Marjan wrote: > Dovecot is an IMAP and POP3 server. I use it for IMAP, and it's painless > as long as you set up your mail folders in Maildir+ format. I chose it > because it was fire and forget, so to speak, with the Debian package, > unlike Cyrus or Courier. Both of the latter are relatively large and > complex; IIRC Cyrus uses some sort of proprietary mail database format. > It looked a lot more involved to set up. > > I presume the POP server is similarly simple. Courier was always install and forget on Debian when I used it. At least I can't remember having to do anything special to it to make it work. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:54:45 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:54:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <41F9172B.2080000-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9172B.2080000@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050127165445.78967.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The preferred method for a registered/supported Red Hat ES system is to either use RPM at the command line as you do with apt or use Red Hat Update - up2date either in X or the command line using the --nox option. I have rarely encountered problems updating systems this way and yes I use both Red Hat and Debian based systems. It is just a matter of getting familiar with the features/options of rpm as you are familiar with apt-get. I don't think Red Hat will support using apt on ES systems with non-official Red Hat packages. Teddy Mills wrote: Using RPMS packages consistently can be a problem. When RPMS packages start tripping over each other. If possible, use source.tars. Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:32:07AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > > >>I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES >>machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a >>number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience >>of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs >>manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally >>foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. >> >> > >Well some people install the port of apt-get on RedHat to fix exactly >that problem. No idea how well it works, since apt-get still depends on >the quality of the dependency definitions to help it figure out what >needs installing. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 16:09:48 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:09:48 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127143207.GB15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200501271109.48581.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On January 27, 2005 09:32, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES > machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I run a > number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and convenience > of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to get RPMs > manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. yum is what you are looking for. rpm is to dpkg as yum or urpmi (Mandrake's package manager) is to apt. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 17:11:29 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:11:29 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <20050127165445.78967.qmail-KqvIsxqYR2SB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127165445.78967.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41F920C1.3050203@knet.ca> If I manage a system by using pre-packaged RPMs via RPM or apt-get my experience has been eventually the system ends up in a Gordian Knot and not easy to manage the more you customize that system. And you know how Alexander fixed that. The Sword of Justice! Dan Gennidakis wrote: > The preferred method for a registered/supported Red Hat ES system is > to either use RPM at the command line as you do with apt or use Red > Hat Update - up2date either in X or the command line using the --nox > option. I have rarely encountered problems updating systems this way > and yes I use both Red Hat and Debian based systems. It is just a > matter of getting familiar with the features/options of rpm as you are > familiar with apt-get. I don't think Red Hat will support using apt on > ES systems with non-official Red Hat packages. > > */Teddy Mills /* wrote: > > > Using RPMS packages consistently can be a problem. > When RPMS packages start tripping over each other. > If possible, use source.tars. > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:32:07AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > > > > > >>I have recently become an administrator of a Red Hat Enterprise > Linux ES > >>machine, and I am running into challenges all over the place. I > run a > >>number of Debian machines, and so I am used to the ease and > convenience > >>of apt. Is there some equivalent for Red Hat, or do I have to > get RPMs > >>manually? I used KRUD for a year, so the Red Hat way is not totally > >>foreign, but I went to Debian for a reason. Thanks. > >> > >> > > > >Well some people install the port of apt-get on RedHat to fix exactly > >that problem. No idea how we ll it works, since apt-get still > depends on > >the quality of the dependency definitions to help it figure out what > >needs installing. > > > >Lennart Sorensen > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 22:10:51 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:10:51 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <844F0430-7074-11D9-BF23-0030653FA336-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <844F0430-7074-11D9-BF23-0030653FA336@rogers.com> Message-ID: I would suggest using yum for update. Works wonders for me! If you want more details about this just msg me. Martin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 27 22:56:22 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:22 -0500 Subject: Red Hat SE and packages In-Reply-To: <41F9172B.2080000-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127143207.GB15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050127161236.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41F9172B.2080000@knet.ca> Message-ID: <200501271756.22944.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On January 27, 2005 11:30, Teddy Mills wrote: > Using RPMS packages consistently can be a problem. > When RPMS packages start tripping over each other. > If possible, use source.tars. I am not familiar with this "RPM packages start tripping all over each other" scenario you speak of. Perhaps you have been doing things like rpm --nodeps -ivh bla? It seems to me bypassing the package manager and installing from source will leave the machine in a much greater mess than using RPM properly. If you know how to install from source, you already know most of what you need to know to create your own RPMs so if there is something you cannot find in an RPM repository, just create your own RPM. Regardless of whether you install from source or create your own RPM, you still have to work out the dependencies anyway so put in the marginally extra effort to create the RPM and let RPM do its job. If you are content to install from source, why bother with RPM based distros at all? Why not just use Slackware and be done with it? Or, better yet, use Gentoo which at least does have a decent package manager, Portage. Having said that, of course you can run into: rpm -ivh foo Cannot install foo, need bar. rpm -ivh bar foo Cannot install bar, need baz. ... etc. With just straight RPM, you can assemble all the dependencies and then rpm -ivh the whole lot of them. RPM will work out the order that it has to install. Alternately, yum and urpmi both handle that quite well on distros that have them. I am more familiar with urpmi. If you do: urpmi foo It will come back with: Need to install: bar baz bleep Install?[Y/n] If you agree, that will fetch bar, baz, bleep, and foo (assuming your urpmi repositories are on line and not on a CD), work out the order to install, and just install. Note, the formatting of the output may not be exact as I am doing it from memory. If you ever get a "missing libfoo.so.1" message when you are trying to install something: urpmf libfoo.so.1 will return the package that contain that library. Install that package using urpmi and you are off to the races. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 01:16:52 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:16:52 -0500 Subject: OpenSolaris? In-Reply-To: <20050127142319.GA15894-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050127142319.GA15894@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200501272016.52489.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 27 January 2005 09:23, William O'Higgins wrote: > assessment of the CDDL license and/or a "What this code and these 1600 > patents mean to Linux" talk. Is there a Sun office in Toronto who might > send a non-marketing flack to a TLUG meeting? Assuming the kernel is open source (in all senses) it means that we'll see Debian/GNU Solaris ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 02:13:48 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:13:48 -0500 Subject: apcusbd - Debian Message-ID: <200501272113.48460.mervc@eol.ca> I installed this package to communicate with my APC U.P.S Set the config file as suggested in the manual. Started the daemon. Checking /var/log/ This message had been logged. --- Fri Jan 28 20:06:29 EST 2005 apcupsd FATAL ERROR in linux-usb.c at line 786 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed USB trouble shooting information, please see . Fri Jan 28 20:06:29 EST 2005 apcupsd error shutdown completed ---- However this is what dmesg has to say ---- hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 500 FW:2.e2.D USB FW:e2] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver ---- Any body any experience with this and can give a pointer or two. I didn't find USB troubleshooting in the manual. In the .conf file I had DEVICE the first time and then tried DEVICE /dev/usb/hiddev[0-15] which as I read it shouldn't be needed. However the same error message is logged for both. I gather the cable etc is ok if the APC unit is found during the boot process. Merv Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 03:02:28 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:02:28 -0500 Subject: Xlib error In-Reply-To: <20050127160902.GE31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <143537614.20050124155034@rogers.com> <200501261831.00757.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050127160902.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200501272202.29008.m-cahill@rogers.com> On January 27, 2005 11:09 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > xauth is the permanent solution. Many thanks for the info. Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 04:39:41 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:39:41 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! Message-ID: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Yes, it's true ! Not all of them, of course, only a collection of personal data back-up CDs that I have been making for the past few years. The data is as salvaged as it's ever going to be, and everything important is in newer backups, but these coasters have /way/ too much information on 'em. I've tried scoring them with a razor, only to release a hail of undoubtedly toxic silver snow. Maybe I should just scratch up the other side ? How would you best render sensitive data CDs unreadable ? And while we're at it, what is an environmentally conscious fella to do with a rather large sack of unloved coasters ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 04:52:56 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:52:56 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD Message-ID: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> I have a 2.5in USB2 enclosure that I bought for a spare (and now I find; kaput) 12gig HD. I want to put something in there but before I go down to College & Spadina, I'm hoping to enjoy, again, the collective wisdom of TLUG. -It doesn't have to be the highest capacity; 20gig would be fine, 40gig fabulous. -must be min 7200rpm (for video) -should be as durable/reliable as possible (carried around in a bag) -bootable (maybe ubuntu, maybe DSL) suggestions ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 04:56:37 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:56:37 -0700 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C20D.5090602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: 1) take old dirty towel 2) wet it 3) put cd in it 4) break the CD 5) rinse and repeat (ive always wanted to say that ) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of David J Patrick Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:40 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: I want to destroy my CDs ! Yes, it's true ! Not all of them, of course, only a collection of personal data back-up CDs that I have been making for the past few years. The data is as salvaged as it's ever going to be, and everything important is in newer backups, but these coasters have /way/ too much information on 'em. I've tried scoring them with a razor, only to release a hail of undoubtedly toxic silver snow. Maybe I should just scratch up the other side ? How would you best render sensitive data CDs unreadable ? And while we're at it, what is an environmentally conscious fella to do with a rather large sack of unloved coasters ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:03:46 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:03:46 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C528.7-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41F9C7B2.5040203@alteeve.com> David J Patrick wrote: > I have a 2.5in USB2 enclosure that I bought for a spare (and now I find; > kaput) 12gig HD. I want to put something in there but before I go down > to College & Spadina, I'm hoping to enjoy, again, the collective wisdom > of TLUG. > > -It doesn't have to be the highest capacity; 20gig would be fine, 40gig > fabulous. > -must be min 7200rpm (for video) > -should be as durable/reliable as possible (carried around in a bag) > -bootable (maybe ubuntu, maybe DSL) > > suggestions ? As 2.5" drives go, I am pretty sure that they don't yet go higher than 5,400rpm. My personal favourite is the Seagate Momentus drives. They are quite reliable. Be careful, by the way. I looked for a USB2->2.5" IDE adapter (and case) and of the three I tried none worked properly under Linux for some reason. The ones I could see would lock up as soon as I started any kind of real file transfer. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:05:22 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:05:22 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F9C812.6010805@sympatico.ca> Adil Kodian wrote: >1) take old dirty towel >2) wet it >3) put cd in it >4) break the CD > > I've gone down that path of destruction, more sparkly metallic fallout with sharp shards. That stuff's nasty, right ? There's /got/ to be a better way ! >5) rinse and repeat (ive always wanted to say that ) > Will the rinsing get the get the deadly dust out of my hair ?? I just scrubbed my sensitive data, and I can't do a thing with it ! Howzabouta blowtorch ? Or acid ? sandpaper ? focussed gamma radiation ? I know ! I'll super glue 'em into a tower ! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:09:20 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:09:20 -0500 Subject: destroy CDs Message-ID: <41F9C900.1000703@sympatico.ca> Get some model airplane glue or contact cement and glue them together recorded side to recorded side. Once you are done you can call the city to make a toxic waste pick up. Its the same service that will pick up old cans of paint etc. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:12:02 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:12:02 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! References: <41F9C812.6010805@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: An old microwave is a great thing -- creates a nifty lightshow. You can even hang the finished product on your wall(s) or window(s)! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J Patrick" To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: I want to destroy my CDs ! > Adil Kodian wrote: > >>1) take old dirty towel >>2) wet it >>3) put cd in it >>4) break the CD >> > I've gone down that path of destruction, > more sparkly metallic fallout with sharp shards. > That stuff's nasty, right ? > There's /got/ to be a better way ! > >>5) rinse and repeat (ive always wanted to say that ) >> > Will the rinsing get the get the deadly dust out of my hair ?? > I just scrubbed my sensitive data, and I can't do a thing with it ! > > Howzabouta blowtorch ? Or acid ? sandpaper ? focussed gamma radiation ? > I know ! I'll super glue 'em into a tower ! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:13:18 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:13:18 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C7B2.5040203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> <41F9C7B2.5040203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41F9C9EE.4070704@sympatico.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > > As 2.5" drives go, I am pretty sure that they don't yet go higher than > 5,400rpm. oh poo ! not suitable for video > My personal favourite is the Seagate Momentus drives. They are quite > reliable. I'll check it out. > > Be careful, by the way. I looked for a USB2->2.5" IDE adapter (and > case) and of the three I tried none worked properly under Linux for > some reason. The ones I could see would lock up as soon as I started > any kind of real file transfer. you have yet to get one working ? > > Madison thanks MK, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:15:32 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:15:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C20D.5090602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, David J Patrick wrote: > I've tried scoring them with a razor, only to release a hail of > undoubtedly toxic silver snow. It's just aluminum, nothing at all dangerous. But mere scratches won't necessarily do the job -- the error-correction codes on CDs are *seriously* good and can recover from a remarkable amount of damage. I usually just take a pair of tin snips and cut them in half. If you're really determined to obliterate them thoroughly, the better paper shredders will now do CDs too. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:19:11 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:19:11 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C9EE.4070704-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> <41F9C7B2.5040203@alteeve.com> <41F9C9EE.4070704@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41F9CB4F.7070208@alteeve.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> >> As 2.5" drives go, I am pretty sure that they don't yet go higher than >> 5,400rpm. > > > oh poo ! not suitable for video > >> My personal favourite is the Seagate Momentus drives. They are quite >> reliable. > > > I'll check it out. > >> >> Be careful, by the way. I looked for a USB2->2.5" IDE adapter (and >> case) and of the three I tried none worked properly under Linux for >> some reason. The ones I could see would lock up as soon as I started >> any kind of real file transfer. > > > you have yet to get one working ? Nope, I decided to use a 3.5" drive carrier (swappable, actually) instead. That worked well, though of course isn't quite as portable in that you will need a wall outlet for power. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 05:11:29 2005 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:11:29 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C20D.5090602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050128051129.GA11105@smeagol> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:39:41PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > And while we're at it, what is an environmentally conscious fella to do > with a rather large sack of unloved coasters ? I know they can be recycled, but I don't know of any Canadian sources to do this. My friend Werner has this list of (mostly German) recyclers: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ecology-HOWTO/ecology-howto-appendix-h.html emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin Mobile : 416 417 2868 Web : www.xtrinsic.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 07:33:39 2005 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:33:39 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C20D.5090602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41F9EAD3.9010401@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > And while we're at it, what is an environmentally conscious fella to > do with a rather large sack of unloved coasters ? Go to the following link: http://www.canadianenvironmental.com/wasteexchange/app_master.cfm?PostNum=26&action=detail&entryID=103 and scroll to the bottom and there's a message from a company in Quebec that claims it recycles CD/DVD media. There's an email contact you can try. If it's valid, just cut 'em in half and send 'em off. Hope this helps. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 13:28:55 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:28:55 -0500 Subject: Lock down sendmail? Message-ID: <20050128132855.GA23114@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have just discovered that I am root on a machine running sendmail, and it is in a standard configuration - i.e. it can send mail to the Internet. I don't want to be responsible to keeping sendmail safe and secure (I already have a full-time and a part-time job). Is there a good, brief tutorial that will help me lock sendmail down to local delivery only? Thanks. By the way, I appreciate the advice to install postfix|exim|qmail, but that's not what I want. If I had unrestricted (from an administrative point of view) control over this machine this conversation wouldn't happen. What I don't know is how to neuter sendmail. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 14:21:57 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:21:57 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C812.6010805-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C812.6010805@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41FA4A85.6010408@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Adil Kodian wrote: > >> 1) take old dirty towel >> 2) wet it >> 3) put cd in it >> 4) break the CD >> >> > I've gone down that path of destruction, > more sparkly metallic fallout with sharp shards. > That stuff's nasty, right ? > There's /got/ to be a better way ! > >> 5) rinse and repeat (ive always wanted to say that ) >> > Will the rinsing get the get the deadly dust out of my hair ?? > I just scrubbed my sensitive data, and I can't do a thing with it ! > > Howzabouta blowtorch ? Or acid ? sandpaper ? focussed gamma radiation ? > I know ! I'll super glue 'em into a tower ! Put them in a plastic bag and break them. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 13:35:21 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:35:21 -0500 Subject: GIS on Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050126123357.98197.qmail-s7oeV+4pvuqA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20050126123357.98197.qmail@web53602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41FA3F99.2020008@sympatico.ca> Edward Hamilton wrote: > > I am running Apache on Redhat and am looking for a > simple, standalone method for returning lat/long from > an applet displaying a city map(Toronto, etc). I don't think you'd quite need anything as complex as GIS for this. In the simplest form you'd just need an imagemap and georeferenced map files. Georeference information is simple metadata linking the pixel coordinates to the real world. It can be internal to the file (as in GeoTIFF), or provided externally (such as an ESRI 'World' file). I've found a sneaky way of getting web-scale map data from the MNR, but they're topo maps, so aren't any use for finding street names/locations. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 14:36:13 2005 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:36:13 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory Message-ID: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> I am in the market for a new computer and would like to sort out some of the advertising hype. What does "shared dual channel DDR2 SDRAM" imply? -shared-: Is this a HW or SW feature? Does it share memory with a graphic card or does it share it between running processes? -dual channel-: Is this a feature of the memory or how the memory is used by the mobo to achieve an effective 800MB data channel using a 400MB rated memory? -DDR2-: What is to be gained by using DDR2 versus DDR ? I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. What are the pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with Linux? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 14:42:21 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:42:21 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <200501280936.13522.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <4386c5b2050128064218a004b9@mail.gmail.com> Hey there, The shared memory is a term applied to mobos with integrated video. The Intel "Extreme Graphics" chips on newer boards use shared memory, using the system memory to power the video cards. So if you have, say 512 Mb of RAM, the card can take up to 32MB for its use. This is a very common feature in low-end PC desktops (conversely, look at the new Mac mini, which has a dedicated ATI card in there with its own 32 MB, quite separate from the system memory). This has clear implications on the performance of the machine, so if you're looking to buy one of these systems, be sure you're not going to need it for anything graphics intensive. Cheers, Aaron. On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:36:13 -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > I am in the market for a new computer and would like to sort out some of the > advertising hype. > What does "shared dual channel DDR2 SDRAM" imply? > -shared-: > Is this a HW or SW feature? Does it share memory with a graphic card or does > it share it between running processes? > -dual channel-: > Is this a feature of the memory or how the memory is used by the mobo to > achieve an effective 800MB data channel using a 400MB rated memory? > -DDR2-: > What is to be gained by using DDR2 versus DDR ? > I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. What are the > pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with > Linux? > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 14:55:13 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Lock down sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20050128132855.GA23114-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050128132855.GA23114@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050128145316.R27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > By the way, I appreciate the advice to install postfix|exim|qmail, but > that's not what I want. If I had unrestricted (from an administrative > point of view) control over this machine this conversation wouldn't > happen. What I don't know is how to neuter sendmail. This M4 directive will cause sendmail to only bind to localhost: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl Put this in the .mc and rebuild the .cf. Remember to always manage the .cf from the .mc. If this is the first time you are generating a .cf then watchout that the last admin did not edit the .cf directly (resulting in your new .cf missing important features or settings). Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 15:03:20 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:03:20 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C9EE.4070704-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> <41F9C7B2.5040203@alteeve.com> <41F9C9EE.4070704@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41FA5438.6060409@knet.ca> BestPC4U at Yonge/Wellesley 1/2 block west near the Rabba The have 2.5 IDE cases. I then got a 30GB fujitsu. I then cp'd 25GB of data, no problem. David J Patrick wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> >> As 2.5" drives go, I am pretty sure that they don't yet go higher >> than 5,400rpm. > > > oh poo ! not suitable for video > >> My personal favourite is the Seagate Momentus drives. They are quite >> reliable. > > > I'll check it out. > >> >> Be careful, by the way. I looked for a USB2->2.5" IDE adapter (and >> case) and of the three I tried none worked properly under Linux for >> some reason. The ones I could see would lock up as soon as I started >> any kind of real file transfer. > > > you have yet to get one working ? > >> >> Madison > > > thanks MK, > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 15:35:21 2005 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:35:21 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2050128064218a004b9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <4386c5b2050128064218a004b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200501281035.21056.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On Friday 28 January 2005 09:42 am, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Hey there, > The shared memory is a term applied to mobos with integrated video. > The Intel "Extreme Graphics" chips on newer boards use shared memory, > using the system memory to power the video cards. So if you have, say > 512 Mb of RAM, the card can take up to 32MB for its use. This is a > very common feature in low-end PC desktops (conversely, look at the > new Mac mini, which has a dedicated ATI card in there with its own 32 > MB, quite separate from the system memory). This has clear > implications on the performance of the machine, so if you're looking > to buy one of these systems, be sure you're not going to need it for > anything graphics intensive. Thanks for your reply. Can one assume that 'shared memory' implies that there is an Intel 'Extreme Graphic' chip set on the motherboard? Are there other chip sets that make use of this shared memory? Is the amount of the shared memory depending on the total installed RAM? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 17:31:46 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:31:46 -0500 Subject: Lock down sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20050128145316.R27231-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050128132855.GA23114@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050128145316.R27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050128173146.GA24426@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 02:55:13PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: >On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > >This M4 directive will cause sendmail to only bind to localhost: > >DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl > >Put this in the .mc and rebuild the .cf. Remember to always manage the >.cf from the .mc. If this is the first time you are generating a .cf then >watchout that the last admin did not edit the .cf directly (resulting in >your new .cf missing important features or settings). Thanks for the help and the advice, but this directive a) was already enabled, and b) doesn't stop sendmail from sending email out, which is what I want. Basically, this is what I'm hoping for: ACCEPT: local mail only SEND: local mail only Also, is there a simple way to have sshd drop requests from selected IPs? This box has been up two days and it is already on some script kiddie's hit list. Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The advantage to integrated boards is that they generally cost less as a total solution than a box that uses a non-integrated board.. The disadvantage is the memory that is shared with the video card. If the video card is slated to use <= 32MB, then the performance hit that you can expect in a 512 MB system will be negligible. If on the other hand the card is configured to use 128MB, the performance hit can be substantial, especially in graphics intensive applications.What may be confusing you is that a standard add in video card is supplied with its own memory chips and has no need to access system memory. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 17:54:00 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:54:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Lock down sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20050128173146.GA24426-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050128132855.GA23114@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050128145316.R27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20050128173146.GA24426@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050128174628.I27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > what I want. Basically, this is what I'm hoping for: > > ACCEPT: local mail only > SEND: local mail only When I need to do this I use a firewall. It's a Linux box right? Configure iptables to REJECT any attempts to connect to tcp/25 in the OUTPUT chain on the box itself. This way no one fiddling with Sendmail in the future will accidentally turn on sending again. Random admins are far less likely to fiddle with a firewall (less know how, less think they know how, most realise the consequences). If you did want to do with with Sendmail you could try setting the smarthost (DS) as localhost. I've never tried that. I really recommend a firewall approach if viable. > Also, is there a simple way to have sshd drop requests from selected > IPs? This box has been up two days and it is already on some script > kiddie's hit list. Thanks. Sshd can be compiled with TCP Wrappers support which allows this functionality. Even better is to again block access through the firewall. Even better is to disable password access and only allow access through public key. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:06:44 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:06:44 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <200501280936.13522.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> Quoting John Wildberger : ... > I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. > What are the > pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with > Linux? It depends on your Linux distro. For instance, RHES-3 has poor SATA support in the kernel it comes with. I had to compile one by myself for a server with SiI 3112a based controller on-board. Distributions with newer kernels (after 2.4.21) shouldn't have this problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:25:41 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:25:41 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C528.7-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200501281325.41985.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On January 27, 2005 23:52, David J Patrick wrote: > I have a 2.5in USB2 enclosure that I bought for a spare (and now I find; > kaput) 12gig HD. I want to put something in there but before I go down > to College & Spadina, I'm hoping to enjoy, again, the collective wisdom > of TLUG. > > -It doesn't have to be the highest capacity; 20gig would be fine, 40gig > fabulous. > -must be min 7200rpm (for video) Hitachi and Toshiba both make 2.5 in., 7200 rpm drives. > -should be as durable/reliable as possible (carried around in a bag) They are meant to go in notebook computers so presumably, they are engineered to take some abuse, though I would not suggest dropping one. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:29:12 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:29:12 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:06:44 -0500, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Quoting John Wildberger : > > ... > > I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. > > What are the > > pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with > > Linux? > > It depends on your Linux distro. For instance, RHES-3 has poor SATA > support in > the kernel it comes with. I had to compile one by myself for a server > with SiI > 3112a based controller on-board. Distributions with newer kernels (after > 2.4.21) shouldn't have this problem. 2 more points about S-ATA: 1) they use a much smaller cable to connect. This makes it easier to route things in your case and helps to not hinder airflow. 2) They are supposed to consume much less power than an IDE drive. This is always a good thing. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:33:57 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: shared memory In-Reply-To: <41FA7809.8020408-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41FA7809.8020408@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:36:09 -0500, John McGregor wrote: > > > > > >Can one assume that 'shared memory' implies that there is an Intel 'Extreme > >Graphic' chip set on the motherboard? Are there other chip sets that make use > >of this shared memory? > >Is the amount of the shared memory depending on the total installed RAM? > > > > There are basicly two types of motherboards -- integrated and > non-integrated. In the integrated boards, video, sound, nics, modems are > all included on the board itself rather than being separate add in pci > cards et al.The chipsets for the motherboards can be made by various > maunfacturers with the more common ones being Intel, SIS, Nvidia and > ATI. The advantage to integrated boards is that they generally cost less > as a total solution than a box that uses a non-integrated board.. The > disadvantage is the memory that is shared with the video card. If the > video card is slated to use <= 32MB, then the performance hit that you > can expect in a 512 MB system will be negligible. If on the other hand > the card is configured to use 128MB, the performance hit can be > substantial, especially in graphics intensive applications.What may be > confusing you is that a standard add in video card is supplied with its > own memory chips and has no need to access system memory. > > John I've also heard that sometimes the video quality is degraded when using and integrated video motherboard. I'd always suggest using a dedicated videocard when your budget allows (you can get a decent AGP card for under $100 anyway). Most integrated video motherboards come with an AGP slot and allow you to disable the onboard video if/when you want to install a video card. Make sure the board has this disable feature though. HTH. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:40:25 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:40:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Steve wrote: > 2 more points about S-ATA: ... > 2) They are supposed to consume much less power than an IDE drive. > This is always a good thing. Except there's no obvious reason why it would be so. The *only* fundamental difference in the drive is the cable interface, and I don't think that generally ranked high as a power consumer. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bbresc512-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:47:37 2005 From: bbresc512-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Boris) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:47:37 +0200 Subject: Lock down sendmail? References: <20050128132855.GA23114@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050128145316.R27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20050128173146.GA24426@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050128174628.I27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <011901c50569$d6798400$6400a8c0@LaptopXP> my 5 cents here. You can use PAM, although it will keep the box busy validating requests. So the firewall is still a better choice. Look up the pam_listfile module. I think it does exactly what you're looking for. Boris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brockway" To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Lock down sendmail? > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > >> what I want. Basically, this is what I'm hoping for: >> >> ACCEPT: local mail only >> SEND: local mail only > > When I need to do this I use a firewall. It's a Linux box right? > Configure iptables to REJECT any attempts to connect to tcp/25 in the > OUTPUT chain on the box itself. > > This way no one fiddling with Sendmail in the future will accidentally > turn on sending again. Random admins are far less likely to fiddle with a > firewall (less know how, less think they know how, most realise the > consequences). > > If you did want to do with with Sendmail you could try setting the > smarthost (DS) as localhost. I've never tried that. > > I really recommend a firewall approach if viable. > >> Also, is there a simple way to have sshd drop requests from selected >> IPs? This box has been up two days and it is already on some script >> kiddie's hit list. Thanks. > > Sshd can be compiled with TCP Wrappers support which allows this > functionality. Even better is to again block access through the firewall. > Even better is to disable password access and only allow access through > public key. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway B.Sc. > Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. > Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org > http://www.opentrend.net > OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. > Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest > (http://www.spi-inc.org) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:45:32 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:45:32 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <41FA884C.1080907@rogers.com> Steve wrote: > 2) They are supposed to consume much less power than an IDE drive. > This is always a good thing. > Assuming the same physical drive, why would SATA use much less power than IDE? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 19:06:30 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:06:30 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <41FA884C.1080907-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> <41FA884C.1080907@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:45:32 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Steve wrote: > > > 2) They are supposed to consume much less power than an IDE drive. > > This is always a good thing. > > > > Assuming the same physical drive, why would SATA use much less power > than IDE? Good point. Someone had told me that... (last time I believe anyone without finding out for myself!)... The power requirements look very similar. Here's links to Seagate Ultra ATA and Serial ATA respectively: http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/personal/family/0,1085,613,00.html http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/personal/family/0,1085,599,00.html Sorry for the misinformation... You'd think I worked for the government! :-) -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 19:23:38 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:38 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> <41FA884C.1080907@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1CC09CD8-7162-11D9-BCB6-0030653FA336@rogers.com> SATA is the replacement of Ultra ATA and is faster, SATA 150MB/sec and Ultra ATA 133 MB/sec The following link is a good overview. http://www.serialata.org/technicaloverview.asp On Jan 28, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Steve wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:45:32 -0500, James Knott > wrote: >> Steve wrote: >> >>> 2) They are supposed to consume much less power than an IDE drive. >>> This is always a good thing. >>> >> >> Assuming the same physical drive, why would SATA use much less power >> than IDE? > > Good point. Someone had told me that... (last time I believe anyone > without finding out for myself!)... The power requirements look very > similar. Here's links to Seagate Ultra ATA and Serial ATA > respectively: > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/personal/family/ > 0,1085,613,00.html > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/personal/family/ > 0,1085,599,00.html > > Sorry for the misinformation... You'd think I worked for the > government! :-) > > -- > Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Ralph Markham rem-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 19:25:20 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Seen on Linux Message-ID: <20050128192454.W27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> I'm serious. What I can't believe is that I've never typed this word into Lyx and spell checked it before... http://www.opentrend.net/humour/lyx.spellcheck.jpg Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 19:31:54 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:31:54 -0500 Subject: Seen on Linux In-Reply-To: <20050128192454.W27231-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050128192454.W27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:25:20 +0000 (GMT), Robert Brockway wrote: > I'm serious. What I can't believe is that I've never typed this word into > Lyx and spell checked it before... > > http://www.opentrend.net/humour/lyx.spellcheck.jpg > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway B.Sc. > Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. > Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net > OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. > Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) Heh heh... but it really makes sense, so that is cool! The first time a suggested replacement is that close! -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 19:32:45 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:32:45 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <1CC09CD8-7162-11D9-BCB6-0030653FA336-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20050128130644.5ozmfyvsea8ockss@www.almatau.com> <41FA884C.1080907@rogers.com> <1CC09CD8-7162-11D9-BCB6-0030653FA336@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:38 -0500, Ralph Markham wrote: > > SATA is the replacement of Ultra ATA and is faster, > > SATA 150MB/sec and Ultra ATA 133 MB/sec > > The following link is a good overview. > > http://www.serialata.org/technicaloverview.asp That is a great link! Thanks for that. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 20:04:36 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:04:36 -0700 Subject: Lock down sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20050128174628.I27231-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050128174628.I27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Robert Brockway Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:54 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Lock down sendmail? On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > what I want. Basically, this is what I'm hoping for: > > ACCEPT: local mail only > SEND: local mail only When I need to do this I use a firewall. It's a Linux box right? Configure iptables to REJECT any attempts to connect to tcp/25 in the OUTPUT chain on the box itself. just configure postfix/sendmail to listen ONLY to localhost .. you dotn need a firewall or anything. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 21:09:13 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:09:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Lock down sendmail? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050128210753.K27231@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Adil Kodian wrote: > just configure postfix/sendmail to listen ONLY to localhost .. you dotn need > a firewall or anything. That was my original suggestion but William pointed out this was not sufficientfor his needs. He wants to block outbound as well as inbound, hence my suggestion(s). Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 22:34:28 2005 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:34:28 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I think one important consideration with the SATA drives is the fact that even tho the bus speed is higher, the total throughput of the drive remains the same as an ATA drive. Unless there has been big changes in drive seek times and such, I don't there there any advantage throughput wise in getting SATA. Martin > > SATA is the replacement of Ultra ATA and is faster, > > SATA 150MB/sec and Ultra ATA 133 MB/sec > > The following link is a good overview. > > http://www.serialata.org/technicaloverview.asp That is a great link! Thanks for that. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 28 18:28:28 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:28:28 +0000 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <200501280936.13522.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <41FA844C.6060707@truxtar.com> John Wildberger wrote: > I am in the market for a new computer and would like to sort out some of the > advertising hype. > What does "shared dual channel DDR2 SDRAM" imply? > -shared-: > Is this a HW or SW feature? Does it share memory with a graphic card or does > it share it between running processes? See the other posts. > -dual channel-: > Is this a feature of the memory or how the memory is used by the mobo to > achieve an effective 800MB data channel using a 400MB rated memory? It is a feature of the motherboard. When you put in two _identical_ sticks of RAM into two corresponding slots (as per the motherboard's manual), then the RAM controller will write to them in parallel (sort of like a RAID-1 for RAM). That way you get double the bandwidth, like you said (although I don't think your numbers are correct). > -DDR2-: > What is to be gained by using DDR2 versus DDR ? Twice the memory bandwidth, or at least higher bandwidth. This is in addition to dual channel RAM. > I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. What are the > pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with > Linux? I don't personally own one (yet), but I heard they work well with Linux. What really matters is that Linux supports your SATA controller; the drives are all standard (like old ATA). I think anything from Intel or VIA should be supported, but I would do a google search for "linux SATA support" to be sure. You may run into problems with the so-called "hardware" RAID support, but in that case you can just use Linux's software RAID. As far as the drives themselves go, they give you higher throughput and (possible) seek time. I don't know if there are any real cons. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My computer currently have the following > configuration: > > - Intel P4 at 1.4Ghz > - Intel D850GB mainboard > - 256 MB RDRAM > - LG 16X DVD-ROM (equiv. to 48X CD-ROM) > - A-open 48x write/12x re-write/50x read CD-writer > - 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive with an 8MB cache (Master) > - 30GB Quantum (Maxtor) Fireball hard drive with a 2MB cache (Slave) < > both running at 7200RPMs. > - Windows XP PRO with SP2 running on the first (or master) hard drive > - second hard drive currently vacant > > As I recall, I've seen many articles on installing Fedora on a > separate hard drive, rather than a partition on the primary hard > drive. The configuration involves (and it's painstaking and silly but > effective): > > 1) Removing your computer's cover > 2) Configuring the jumpers on the hard drive from the 1st hard drive > from master to slave and the 2nd hard drive from slave to master You leave your first hard drive as is and configure the second as slave. > 3) Configuring the boot loader on the 2nd hard drive on the master and > it allows the user to choose which operating system to run either > Fedora to XP. You write the bootloader to the MBR of the first hard drive. Fedora uses Grub by default. when you are presenetd with the boot screen, press any key and you will be presented with a menu -- then use the up / down arrows to mak your choice. > Are there any drawbacks on having this configuration? Has anyone did > this configuration before? When I install and run Fedora for the very > first time, how am I supposed to view files on my other hard drive? > The easiest way to be able to view work form either OS would be to carve out about a 15 GB partition on the first drive and format it as FAT 32 which both OS's can read and write to. > I understand that Linux cannot write over NTFS partitions (in this > case, my primary hard drive is formatted with this file system and > running XP - as for XP it's quite the opposite in my opinion, but not > viewable. Is there a way to view Linux partitions while running XP) > All your data is going to be installed in your home partition so you could partition that as Fat 32, but you will lose the advantages of the journalized file systems that are available with Linux. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 03:12:56 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:12:56 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: <41FAFD24.4070304-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41FAFD24.4070304@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glim-h9HFRHmGWfgWI+UwmH2aBQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 03:57:00 2005 From: glim-h9HFRHmGWfgWI+UwmH2aBQ at public.gmane.org (glim-h9HFRHmGWfgWI+UwmH2aBQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:57 -0500 Subject: [OT] Yet Another Perl Conference North America 2005 announces call-for-papers Message-ID: YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) has just released its call-for-papers; potential and aspiring speakers can submit a presentation proposal via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location will be in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced, but has been moved to accomodate venue availability.) The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm. If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author at yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor at yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. Other information regarding the conference (e.g. venue, registration specifics) will be announced soon. We look forward to your submissions and a great conference! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 05:01:05 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:01:05 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106974865.8891.13.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 22:12 -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > First of all, where should I place the bootloader? /dev/hda (first > hard drive) or /dev/hdb (second hard drive)? Do I also need a program > (like Partition Magic) that I can create a partition that allows me to > share files between the two operating systems? What is the purpose of > that? > The installer will give you a few options as to where you want to put it. Generally in a dual boot you want to pick the MBR on hda. The Fedora installer has all the tools necessary to partition and format the second drive for you. When the formatting question comes up during the install, select 'Custom'. You would be wise to avoid Partition Magic if you can. Its been my experience that the Linux installer can balk if P.M. has been used. The purpose of the FAT 32 partition is that Linux can not write to NTFS and WinXP can't see your Linux install, but they both can read / write to a FAT 32 partition. Therefore creating one gives you a shared workspace. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 12:39:30 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:39:30 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: <1106974865.8891.13.camel@localhost> References: <1106974865.8891.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 15:12:59 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:12:59 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot Message-ID: <41FBA7FB.4020208@sympatico.ca> > > One more question that i'm concerned of, The problem is, if I'm not > comfortable on having Linux on my system, how do I remove the shared > partition (the FAT32 partition) and the GRUB boot loader that goes > with it? How do I restore my system back to it's original state after > removing Linux off my system? Its easy enough to convert FAT 32 to NTFS from Win XP and this site has a very good how to: http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php You can restore the MBR using the restore utility on the Fedora install disk or by booting from the Win XP CD and at the command line typing FDISK/MBR. Most often it works quite well, but you would be wise to back up your critical data first before attempting this (it is your first try afterall). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 19:49:57 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:49:57 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: <41FBA7FB.4020208-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41FBA7FB.4020208@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Topics are .... whatever all of you want and whatever you strike up a conversation over. No one has had complaints about the service and food. They are good. All are welcome. Lets surprise the staff at the restaurant with our increase in numbers. Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 01:59:25 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:59:25 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That way you would have the option of leaving the slave in the machine and reformatting it as an extended partition of the master drive. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 02:53:15 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:53:15 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: <41FC484D.3070406-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41FC484D.3070406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 03:51:06 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:51:06 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501292251.07265.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On January 29, 2005 07:39, Simon Tonekham wrote > One more question that i'm concerned of, The problem is, if I'm not > comfortable on having Linux on my system, how do I remove the shared > partition (the FAT32 partition) and the GRUB boot loader that goes with it? > How do I restore my system back to it's original state after removing Linux > off my system? I am surprised no one else has mentioned this so I will. Please stop sending HTML mail to the list. It is really annoying to see all that raw HTML (ugly to boot) just for a few lines of text. Yes, I can view HTML if I wanted to in KMail but I have it disabled to not display by default as it often contains executable content. (I wonder why this list server is not set up to strip HTML junk from messages.) Also, please trim messages so that at the very least you get rid of the message footer inserted by the list server. To your credit, at least you bottom post. Now, to your questions. It seems to me that if you are just interested in trying Linux and are not certain that you will keep it on your machine, you may be better served by trying one of the live Linux distros. A live Linux distro will boot and run from the CD without touching your hard disk drive. It is much more usable than it may seem if you have sufficient RAM as Linux caches things aggressively. Of course applications will not launch as quickly as they would from the hard disk but with a reasonably fast CDROM, it is hardly objectionable. They can all mount your hard disk partition(s), though many will mount them as read only for safety reasons. You will have to explicitly mount your disk partition(s) as read/write to be able to save anything to the disk. This presumes you have FAT32, not NTFS. NTFS write support is experimental. Of course you can save on things like USB keys too. Using a live Linux CD, you do not have to intall on your hard disk at all and you can still get a good feel for what Linux is like. If you like it, you can then decide which distro to install and how. I do not not know of Fedora based live CDs, though they probably exist. The most popular of the live Linux distros is Knoppix . It has excellent hardware support, probably the best hardware detection of *any* OS, including Windows, and is based on Debian so it uses apt-get for package management. The Knoppix motto seems to be "all the Linux you can cram on a CD". Knoppix has spawned an entire ecosystem of live CD distros that are based upon it, like Morphix and others. It is well supported at #knoppix on FreeNode. Mandrake Move is the live CD version of one of the most polished Linux distros, Mandrake Linux. I use Mandrake Linux on desktop machines and servers. You can download it free from one of the mirrors here: . It is well supported at #mandrake on FreeNode. PCLinuxOS is based on Mandrake and targets the desktop user. It is more of a hybrid though as it used Debian's apt-get for package management to manage RPMs, which I find rather weird. It also uses the same hardware detection package as Knoppix. IRC support is at #pclinuxos on EFnet. SimplyMepis < http://www.mepis.com/> is another Debian based distro. It seems to have quite a following but it left me somewhat cold as I could not find source for one of the KDE packages and my question to the developer list went unanswered. Vida Linux is based on Gentoo. I have not tried this one but it looks interesting. Slax is a Slackware based live Linux that is about as minimal as one can find with for a KDE based system and in contrast to all of the above, is svelte. If you have a broadband connection, download and burn them all. CDs are cheap and you will be able to try them all without making a long term commitment. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 29 22:53:37 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:53:37 +0000 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FC13F1.5000507@truxtar.com> Simon Tonekham wrote: > Hmmmm......after all these suggests you gave to me, I'm still trying to find a > way on how to Install Fedora safely. But thanks for giving me all those > suggestions. As for the Extended partition of my master hard drive, I believe > it's a very big and tedious process which involves backing up my data from my > master hard drive and formatting it as a extended partition. What is the > difference between Primary and Extended? John McGregor's statement about the exteded partition made no sense to me either. Generally, each hard drive can have four primary partitions, but one of them can be "extended" into any number of extended partitions. That way you can have 3 primary and an infinite number of extended partions. However, I see no way how they can span multiple drives. I think what John was trying to say, was that if you create the FAT32 partition on your Linux drive, a) You _won't_ have to reformat your primary drive. b) When you remove Linux, you can still access that drive from Windows. As long as you tell Fedora/Linux not to touch your primary drive (except to put the master boot record there), you can do anything you want to your secondary drive. In the worst case you can reformat the second drive from the Windows boot disk, recover your MBR on the first drive, and forget about everything. So DON'T WORRY. > How do I create a FAT32 partition on my > second hard drive during the Linux installation process? is it necessary? The FAT32 partition is not necessairy, but it will allow you to work on the same files from both Windows and Linux. That way if, for example, you started typing a letter on Windows, you could save it to the FAT32 partition, and then open it from Linux, edit it, save it, and then open again in Windows. The point is it gives you freedom to work from both operating systems. As John McGregor suggested, you can click "Custom" in the Fedora installer when it asks you about partitioning your hard drive. I've never installed Fedora, but I imagine the process is fairely simple. Just tell it to create a 15GB drive of type FAT32 at the end of your 2nd hard drive (Linux will likely call it 'hdb', but check the size to be sure). > > Simon > > >From: John McGregor > >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > >Subject: [TLUG]: Re: Fedora dual boot > >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:37:01 -0500 > > > >> > >>One more question that i'm concerned of, The problem is, if I'm not > >>comfortable on having Linux on my system, how do I remove the > >>shared partition (the FAT32 partition) and the GRUB boot loader > >>that goes with it? How do I restore my system back to it's original > >>state after removing Linux off my system? > >> > > > > > >The easiest way is to boot from your Win XP CD, follow the > >directions to get into Repair and at the prompt type FIXMBR and then > >type yes when asked if you want to continue. You seem to be really > >concerned with the FAT 32 partition, so in your case I would pit it > >in the Linux drive. That way you would have the option of leaving > >the slave in the machine and reformatting it as an extended > >partition of the master drive. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 12:57:53 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:53 -0500 Subject: Xorg Question Message-ID: <200501300757.53910.BGarel@clublink.ca> I'm probably making this a lot harder in my limited little mind than it really is, but oddly enough I've never actually done this before.... I have a Fedora Core 2 installation that I originally installed using a Viewsonic E771 Monitor. I've changed the monitor to an Optiquest (Viewsonic) Q41-2. Now the sync rates and stuff are all screwed up....isn't there a simple little utility like there used to be in XFree like XSetup or something like that? I tried running the text based "setup" program but nothing is happening there? What's the Nice Easy way to reconfigure Xorg so I can actually use it? Embarrassed that I actually have to ask this question.... Brian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 12:58:11 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:58:11 -0500 Subject: In the market for a laptop Message-ID: <34e8a43d050130045860bbc085@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I'm in the market for a laptop, I don't really need anything special. If you know of a good store(s) would you mine posting? Or if your seeking to find a buying for your current laptop, e-mail me privately. Thanks. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 12:59:38 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:59:38 -0500 Subject: Xorg Question In-Reply-To: <200501300757.53910.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501300757.53910.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <34e8a43d05013004591bf8c4cb@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:53 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > I'm probably making this a lot harder in my limited little mind than it really > is, but oddly enough I've never actually done this before.... > > I have a Fedora Core 2 installation that I originally installed using a > Viewsonic E771 Monitor. I've changed the monitor to an Optiquest (Viewsonic) > Q41-2. Now the sync rates and stuff are all screwed up....isn't there a > simple little utility like there used to be in XFree like XSetup or something > like that? I tried running the text based "setup" program but nothing is > happening there? What's the Nice Easy way to reconfigure Xorg so I can > actually use it? > > Embarrassed that I actually have to ask this question.... > Brian Brian, The command for me is xorgconfig. Logout of your current X into console. And try that command. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 13:04:34 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:04:34 -0500 Subject: Xorg Question In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d05013004591bf8c4cb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <200501300757.53910.BGarel@clublink.ca> <34e8a43d05013004591bf8c4cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200501300804.34202.BGarel@clublink.ca> Is this some sort of 3rd party software? I don't have that anywhere on my system. Brian On Sunday 30 January 2005 7:59, Adam Raymond wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:57:53 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > > I'm probably making this a lot harder in my limited little mind than it > > really is, but oddly enough I've never actually done this before.... > > > > I have a Fedora Core 2 installation that I originally installed using a > > Viewsonic E771 Monitor. I've changed the monitor to an Optiquest > > (Viewsonic) Q41-2. Now the sync rates and stuff are all screwed > > up....isn't there a simple little utility like there used to be in XFree > > like XSetup or something like that? I tried running the text based > > "setup" program but nothing is happening there? What's the Nice Easy way > > to reconfigure Xorg so I can actually use it? > > > > Embarrassed that I actually have to ask this question.... > > Brian > > Brian, > > The command for me is xorgconfig. Logout of your current X into > console. And try that command. -- ELF -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 13:20:19 2005 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:20:19 -0500 Subject: vsftpd Message-ID: <1107091219.31789.10.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Hello all How do I tell the vsftpd server to honour and execute a private ftp client request that would tell vsftpd to execute a particular shell script/program that I would write? eg: ftp> quote alan.command -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 13:39:02 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:39:02 -0500 Subject: In the market for a laptop In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d050130045860bbc085-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d050130045860bbc085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FCE376.4030505@sympatico.ca> Adam Raymond wrote: > > I'm in the market for a laptop, I don't really need anything special. > If you know of a good store(s) would you mine posting? I quite like Laptop Closeout in Yorkville: . They have clean, well-cared-for ex-lease machines. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 15:15:52 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:15:52 -0500 Subject: Xorg Question In-Reply-To: <200501300804.34202.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200501300757.53910.BGarel@clublink.ca> <34e8a43d05013004591bf8c4cb@mail.gmail.com> <200501300804.34202.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <1107098152.5613.4.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 08:04 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > Is this some sort of 3rd party software? I don't have that anywhere > on my > system. What distro are you using? In Mandrake its part of the hardware section of the Control Center. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 15:27:29 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <1107091219.31789.10.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1107091219.31789.10.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20050130151931.V49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > Hello all > > How do I tell the vsftpd server to honour and execute a private ftp > client request that would tell vsftpd to execute a particular shell > script/program that I would write? > eg: ftp> quote alan.command The ability to execute a command from inside ftp has been disabled by default fo a long time (when there was only one ftp server on Unix and all ftp sites were marked experimental). I just had a quick look through the man page and did not see an obvious way to turn it on in vsftpd. It is entirely possible the developers of vsftpd did not build this feature in at all. So executing the script through ssh is not viable? Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 15:37:57 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:37:57 -0500 Subject: Xorg Question In-Reply-To: <1107098152.5613.4.camel@localhost> References: <200501300757.53910.BGarel@clublink.ca> <200501300804.34202.BGarel@clublink.ca> <1107098152.5613.4.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200501301037.57536.BGarel@clublink.ca> I'm using Fedora Core 2 but I went in and manually changed the settings and everything works fine now...I decided not to be so #$%@ing lazy! :) Thanks All, Brian On Sunday 30 January 2005 10:15, John McGregor wrote: > On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 08:04 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > > Is this some sort of 3rd party software? I don't have that anywhere > > on my > > system. > > What distro are you using? In Mandrake its part of the hardware section > of the Control Center. > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- ELF -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 15:58:12 2005 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:58:12 -0500 Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <20050130151931.V49375-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <1107091219.31789.10.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <20050130151931.V49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <1107100691.942.20.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > How do I tell the vsftpd server to honour and execute a private ftp > > client request... > > eg: ftp> quote alan.command On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 10:27, Robert Brockway wrote: > The ability to execute a command from inside ftp has been disabled by > default for a long time... Executing the script through ssh is not viable? The ftp client is TSX, an O/S that doesn't support secure-anything. Sitting right next to it is a linux box. The thinking behind "alan.command" was to create something of a relay, ie: something that would scp the just-received TSX onto another far away box. (An alternative is to write a home-grown client for TSX and a home-grown server for Linux, but I was hoping to avoid re-inventing 2 wheels.) -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 16:03:57 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:03:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: vsftpd In-Reply-To: <1107100691.942.20.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1107091219.31789.10.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <20050130151931.V49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> <1107100691.942.20.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20050130155739.J49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > The ftp client is TSX, an O/S that doesn't support secure-anything. Wonderful :) I just had a look at http://www.sandh.com/tsx32.htm. It doesn't seem to have any features not available in a modern Unix but I guess you have apps tying you to the platform. I like examining the features of different OSes and hadn't heard of this one before. > Sitting right next to it is a linux box. The thinking behind > "alan.command" was to create something of a relay, ie: something that > would scp the just-received TSX onto another far away box. FTP already supports this functionality, although it does require non-passive mode so firewalls can give you trouble. Bascially you can start an ftp client on A, ftp to B and have it transfer a file to C. This is why FTP uses both tcp/20 & tcp/21 in non-passive mode by the way. If I were faced with this problem I'd consider using expect to get it working. It allows you to script an interactive session, so anything that can be done on the command line can be achieved through expect. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 16:51:22 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:51:22 -0500 Subject: In the market for a laptop In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d050130045860bbc085-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>; from streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:58:11AM -0500 References: <34e8a43d050130045860bbc085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050130115122.A22222@ee.ryerson.ca> I've bought two laptops at PCUSED, Bathurst and Dupont, - a Toshiba and a Thinkpad - and been quite happy with both. One had a bad battery in it (it was even labelled 'defective') and they changed it immediately. They also helped resolve a serial port issue with one of the laptops, at no charge. Both laptops have been good value for the money. Peter On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 07:58:11AM -0500, Adam Raymond wrote: > Hey, > > I'm in the market for a laptop, I don't really need anything special. > If you know of a good store(s) would you mine posting? Or if your > seeking to find a buying for your current laptop, e-mail me privately. > Thanks. > > -- > - Adam Raymond - > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 18:02:13 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:02:13 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... Message-ID: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> For the past few weeks I've been having the classic Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: transient tingling, numbness, burning in the thumb, index, and middle finger of the hand, with some associated shooting pains up the forearm. I had a bout of this four years ago, which led to my learning to touch-type; splinting the wrist and relaxing it for a few days helped alleviate the pain. This time it's much worse and seems rebarbative. I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery really ought to be a last resort, only after six months to a year of working with "conservative" (non-interventionist) therapies. Plus the fact that I don't really want my carpal ligament severed. It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to go; I want this problem *gone*. What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 18:23:34 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: <20050130181956.C49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Peter King wrote: > I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and > nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to > talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery Remember ultimately you are in control of what surgery you get. If unhappy refuse surgery, or go see another doctor. > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > go; I want this problem *gone*. A friend of mine bought a "twiddler" (http://www.handykey.com/) and used it for some years. He even did his own keymap. Expensive as I recall but it certainly takes the load off the wrists. I've had a few minor issues in this regard and have considered a twiddler. > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; And unfortunately this just masks the problem while it continues to get worse :( Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 18:47:10 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:10 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:02:13 -0500, Peter King wrote: [..] > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > go; I want this problem *gone*. I can't recommend any cure -- my own approach is more preventitive, involving resting my arms whenever possible, getting up from my chair about every half an hour, stretching arms, legs, back and neck while seated. I do the same type of thing while driving to combat muscle fatigue. > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. Do you do any warmup exercises before you start to type? I recall reading that members of the Steve Miller band went through thirty minutes of mandatory physical warmup before each session (reminds me of Japanese factory workers exercising and singing the company song). That might also help you out. Good luck! Alex Beamish -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jadall-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 18:59:12 2005 From: jadall-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Grant Cullen) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:59:12 -0500 Subject: pop3 on FC3 In-Reply-To: <41F7FA65.1060103-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7FA65.1060103@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41FD2E80.4000904@istop.com> Lance F. Squire wrote: > I see that FC3 dosen't have imapd > > Instead, I have a choice of Dovecot or Cryus. > > My question is, what would be the least painful to use? > > Lance > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Tried to get Cyrus running, no luck. Dovecot, worked with little messing around Grant Cullen -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 2005/01/21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 19:59:53 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:53 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: I've got slightly less than chronic CTS type pains. I've had knee trouble off and on my whole life. I DO NOT RECOMMEND surgery. 2 Years later and my knee is about where it was 1 year before surgery. For my wrist, the mouse is what hurts worst... Just don't use the mouse, mice are BAD. For the keyboard, it is key that your workstation is truly setup well. Your feet should be comfortable (not hanging and not bent funny), dictating chair height. Set your Keyboard so that it is declined away from you slightly, you want your wrists to be straight not up & not down. Then set your display(s) so that your back and neck are straight when you look at the screen. As far as anti-inflammatorys go: Aspirin and codeine mask the problem. Ibuprofen is an anti inflammatory and actually helps the problem. My father had Tennis elbow from work, and the cure was an injection of some sort of Mega anti-inflammatory which cured him for at least 1 year. -Joseph- On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:10 -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:02:13 -0500, Peter King wrote: > [..] > > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > > go; I want this problem *gone*. > > I can't recommend any cure -- my own approach is more preventitive, > involving resting my arms whenever possible, getting up from my chair > about every half an hour, stretching arms, legs, back and neck while > seated. I do the same type of thing while driving to combat muscle > fatigue. > > > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. > > Do you do any warmup exercises before you start to type? I recall > reading that members of the Steve Miller band went through thirty > minutes of mandatory physical warmup before each session (reminds me > of Japanese factory workers exercising and singing the company song). > That might also help you out. > > Good luck! > > Alex Beamish > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 20:57:25 2005 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:57:25 -0500 Subject: OT?vsftpd Message-ID: <1107118644.4629.18.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 11:03, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > > The ftp client is TSX, an O/S that doesn't support secure-anything. > Wonderful :) I just had a look at http://www.sandh.com/tsx32.htm. > It doesn't seem to have any features not available in a modern Unix > but I guess you have apps tying you to the platform. I like examining > the features of different OSes and hadn't heard of this one before. TSX (PDP11) started in the 70's. TSX32 (80386+ platforms) started in the 80's. I've been closely involved with it for over 25 years. I'd be tickled pink to tell you more about it. > > Sitting right next to it is a linux box. The thinking behind > > "alan.command" was to create something of a relay, ie: something > > that would scp the just-received TSX onto another far away > > box. > FTP already supports this functionality, although it does require > non-passive mode so firewalls can give you trouble. > > Basically you can start an ftp client on A, ftp to B and have it > transfer a file to C. This is why FTP uses both tcp/20 & tcp/21 in > non-passive mode by the way. > > If I were faced with this problem I'd consider using expect to get it > working. It allows you to script an interactive session, so anything > that can be done on the command line can be achieved through expect. > -Rob It would certainly be terrific if TSX (which can't do a secure-anything) could, with the help of a Linux intermediary, end up doing a secure copy (scp/ssh/sftp). But I don't yet see how. Presumably, "A" is TSX running an ftp client and "B" is Linux running the vsftpd server to which TSX connects. I don't see how you can wedge the functionality of "have it (ie: machine B) transfer a file" inside the vsftpd server. -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 21:44:11 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:44:11 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: <41FD552B.10802@rogers.com> As always, you're free to get another opinion. Peter King wrote: > For the past few weeks I've been having the classic Carpal Tunnel > Syndrome: transient tingling, numbness, burning in the thumb, index, > and middle finger of the hand, with some associated shooting pains > up the forearm. I had a bout of this four years ago, which led to my > learning to touch-type; splinting the wrist and relaxing it for a few > days helped alleviate the pain. This time it's much worse and seems > rebarbative. > > I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and > nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to > talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery > really ought to be a last resort, only after six months to a year of > working with "conservative" (non-interventionist) therapies. Plus the > fact that I don't really want my carpal ligament severed. > > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > go; I want this problem *gone*. > > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 22:06:52 2005 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:06:52 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: <20050130170652.181420f0.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:10 -0500 Alex Beamish disseminated the following: > I do the same type of thing while driving to combat muscle > fatigue. So *you're* the guy causing all those accidents on the Gardiner ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 17:05:39 up 28 days, 5:45, 8 users, load average: 0.25, 0.31, 0.51 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. -- Gandhi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 22:49:55 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:49:55 -0500 Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy In-Reply-To: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec>; from peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:02:13PM -0500 References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> I've been meaning to write this out for someone else who needs advice on carpal tunnel, so this email is a good incentive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I went through this some years ago. I thought carpal tunnel was some sort of new-age ailment and never gave it a thought. Then, in the middle of typing a large manuscript, my wrists felt like they were getting electric shocks, and they started to hurt like crazy. Driving the car aggravated the problem significantly. It was very scary, I thought I would have to give up typing altogether. My GP sent me off to see someone at Wellesly, and the guy immediately wanted to do surgery. Surgery may or may not work, but the thought of permanently screwing up my wrists made me look for an alternative solution. My GP thought the surgery was the answer, but he didn't press me on it. Then my GP then sent me off for physiotherapy, and that didn't seem to help much. It briefly alleviated the symptoms, but any typing brought them back immediately. Massage therapy had similar results. I then talked to a pleasant rheumatoid arthritis specialist at St. Mikes. He didn't have any suggestions. I found that wrist splints were no help at all. For the fourth visit to my GP, I asked if something like a sports medicine doctor would be a good idea. After all, this must be something that happens to athletes - albeit in a different part of their body. He then recommended Dr. Robert Grisdale (416-485-1344 x 432), who is a Chiropracter and sports medicine therapist. I must admit that I had some doubts about chiropracters in general, but Grisdale showed me how to fix the problem, so I'm a convert. He worked on my upper back and gave me a bunch of stretching exercises that really cured the problem. At first I did the exercises on a twice-daily basis. Then I dropped slowly down to once a day and then to 'as needed'. The total exercise routine takes about 10 minutes, involves a bunch of stretches and a brief workout with a stretchy band. Since then I've typed a 700+ page manuscript on analog electronics without any major twinges. Subsequently, I read a theory posted on the net to the effect that the wrist problems are related to muscles in the upper back that tighten across the shoulders. Certainly, the muscles in that area were totally locked into knots and Grisdale got them loosened up again. I can't provide a mechanism, but it did seem to work. Grisdale's comments was 'You've been building up a debt in your body, and now you need to start repayment.' My mother (always ask mom!) mentioned that Vitamin B6 had the effect of shrinking nerve bundles. The root of the Carpal Tunnel problem as I understand it is that the nerve connections abraid on the sides of the tunnel, they become inflamed, and worsens the problem. So shrinking the cable going through that opening can help. I started at 100mG doses and then when the problem got better dropped back to 25mG on a daily basis. B6 can be gotten from the drug store or wherever without prescription. I can't be absolutely positive that this works, but my impression was that it helped and my understanding is that B6 is pretty benign. Some additional points: - I have a great GP, who I can go back to, if I'm not satisfied with some specialist, and request someone else. He never gets huffy. It's great to have someone like this who acts as a kind of traffic cop and is not judgemental. - Yoga helps a lot. Stretching exercises seem to be the key to solving many of these aches and pains. I did yoga exercises one winter at a local rec centre and that made a positive difference. I also adapted some yoga streching exercises into my exercise routine. They seem to work really well. There are different yoga instructors, you need to find one who works at your pace. - Of course, you need to take regular breaks. Binge typing is what got me into this mess in the first place. You *must* have a proper chair, at the proper height, with a proper desk. When I got this problem I was working on a table and sitting on a barstool. I now cringe when I think of it. Your forearms should be level. - I didn't use a different mouse or keyboard, I stayed with the ones I have. But I'll bet a cordless mouse would help, and probably a keyboard that breaks into two halves. I'd do those things if I got into another episode. I hope this helps. Maybe we should have a demonstration of the stretching exercises at some TLUG meeting ;). Peter On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:02:13PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > For the past few weeks I've been having the classic Carpal Tunnel > Syndrome: transient tingling, numbness, burning in the thumb, index, > and middle finger of the hand, with some associated shooting pains > up the forearm. I had a bout of this four years ago, which led to my > learning to touch-type; splinting the wrist and relaxing it for a few > days helped alleviate the pain. This time it's much worse and seems > rebarbative. > > I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and > nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to > talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery > really ought to be a last resort, only after six months to a year of > working with "conservative" (non-interventionist) therapies. Plus the > fact that I don't really want my carpal ligament severed. > > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > go; I want this problem *gone*. > > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. > > -- > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > Department of Philosophy > 215 Huron Street > The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc > Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 > CANADA > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > ========================================================================= > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 23:25:07 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:25:07 +0200 (IST) Subject: daemon permissions problem Message-ID: Hi all, I have a strange problem: postfix mta: process daemon cannot send mail because the postdrop process does not become setgid when run as daemon. All other users can send as usual. How do I defat the special semantics of the daemon user for this case ? Is the only solution, to run processes as non-daemon if they need to send mail ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 23:41:36 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:41:36 -0500 Subject: Using a Gateway / Router as a Switch Message-ID: <7AD2D36E-7318-11D9-B3FD-0030653FA336@rogers.com> I have added another ethernet card to my primary Linux server, so I have one for DMZ and one for the Local network. The problem is that I don't have a free port on my DLink gateway / router. What I want to do, is use my old Linksys 4 port gateway / router as a switch off of the DLink. I have set the linksys up with a static IP address, netmask of 255.255.255.252, and in router mode. This is not working. Has anyone done anything similar and / or know how to make this work? Everything I know says it should be possible. Thanks -- Ralph Markham rem-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 30 23:42:32 2005 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:42:32 -0500 Subject: Another senseless Linux-related injury... In-Reply-To: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> Message-ID: <20050130184232.5a8f79fb.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:02:13 -0500 Peter King disseminated the following: > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. My wife was suffering from RSI (insert joke here) and found very great relief from the therapy she received here: Aches & Pains Sports Medicine & Physiotherapy 416-368-1926 1 First Canadian Pl, Toronto, ON M5X 1K7 I don't know if RSI is treatable in the same way as CTS, but it may be worth checking out if you want to avoid surgery. HTH. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:39:35 up 28 days, 7:19, 8 users, load average: 0.29, 0.09, 0.03 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. -- Amschel Mayer Rothschild, banker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 07:11:36 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:11:36 +0200 (IST) Subject: daemon permissions problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Hi all, I have a strange problem: postfix mta: > > process daemon cannot send mail because the postdrop process does not become > setgid when run as daemon. All other users can send as usual. How do I defat > the special semantics of the daemon user for this case ? Is the only > solution, to run processes as non-daemon if they need to send mail ? I have solved by adding daemon to the relevant group (temporarily) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 16:34:29 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:34:29 -0500 Subject: Using a Gateway / Router as a Switch In-Reply-To: <7AD2D36E-7318-11D9-B3FD-0030653FA336-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <7AD2D36E-7318-11D9-B3FD-0030653FA336@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41FE5E15.3050008@rogers.com> Ralph Markham wrote: > I have added another ethernet card to my primary Linux server, so I have > one for DMZ and one for the Local network. The problem is that I don't > have a free port on my DLink gateway / router. What I want to do, is > use my old Linksys 4 port gateway / router as a switch off of the DLink. > > I have set the linksys up with a static IP address, netmask of > 255.255.255.252, and in router mode. This is not working. > > Has anyone done anything similar and / or know how to make this work? > Everything I know says it should be possible. If you're only using it as a switch, diable dhcp (unless you need a dchp server) and use only the 4 switch ports. Do not use the WAN side. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:24:44 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:24:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Brazil goes open source Message-ID: Passed along by a friend: says: Morning Edition, January 31, 2005 ? The government of Brazil says it will switch 300,000 government computers from Microsoft's Windows operating system to open source software like Linux. Microsoft founder Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president to discuss the change. Brazil is dropping all proprietary software. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:54:16 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:54:16 -0500 Subject: apcusbd - Debian In-Reply-To: <200501272113.48460.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501272113.48460.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050131175416.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 09:13:48PM -0500, Merv Curley wrote: > I installed this package to communicate with my APC U.P.S > > Set the config file as suggested in the manual. Started the daemon. > > Checking /var/log/ This message had been logged. > > --- > Fri Jan 28 20:06:29 EST 2005 apcupsd FATAL ERROR in linux-usb.c at line 786 > Cannot find UPS device -- > For a link to detailed USB trouble shooting information, > please see . > Fri Jan 28 20:06:29 EST 2005 apcupsd error shutdown completed > > ---- > > > However this is what dmesg has to say > > ---- > hiddev96: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 500 FW:2.e2.D USB FW:e2] on > usb-0000:00:10.1-1 > usbcore: registered new driver usbhid > drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver > > ---- > > Any body any experience with this and can give a pointer or two. I didn't > find USB troubleshooting in the manual. In the .conf file I had > DEVICE the first time and then tried > DEVICE /dev/usb/hiddev[0-15] which as I read it shouldn't be needed. However > the same error message is logged for both. > I gather the cable etc is ok if the APC unit is found during the boot process. This config works for me on Debian Sarge with an APC ups sing USB. UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb DEVICE /dev/usb/hiddev0 LOCKFILE /var/lock ONBATTERYDELAY 6 BATTERYLEVEL 5 MINUTES 2 TIMEOUT 0 ANNOY 300 ANNOYDELAY 60 NOLOGON disable KILLDELAY 0 NETSERVER on NISIP 0.0.0.0 NISPORT 3551 EVENTSFILE /var/log/apcupsd.events EVENTSFILEMAX 10 UPSCLASS standalone UPSMODE disable STATTIME 30 STATFILE /var/log/apcupsd.status LOGSTATS off DATATIME 0 (I left out the comments and default values that were in comments too) I think that was the only file I changed to get it going. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 17:57:43 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:57:43 -0500 Subject: seeking suitable 2.5in HD In-Reply-To: <41F9C528.7-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C528.7@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050131175743.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:52:56PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > I have a 2.5in USB2 enclosure that I bought for a spare (and now I find; > kaput) 12gig HD. I want to put something in there but before I go down > to College & Spadina, I'm hoping to enjoy, again, the collective wisdom > of TLUG. > > -It doesn't have to be the highest capacity; 20gig would be fine, 40gig > fabulous. > -must be min 7200rpm (for video) > -should be as durable/reliable as possible (carried around in a bag) > -bootable (maybe ubuntu, maybe DSL) > > suggestions ? Well my suggestion is: Forget the 2.5" enclosure and get a 3.5" one and get a real HD with real capacity running 7200rpm. It will likely cost less and give you 3 times the capcity and more speed than any current 2.5" drive will. Those just aren't meant for video editing and such. You can get 7200rpm 2.5" but they use more power, run hotter and cost quite a bit more, and are probably not worth the cost given a 3.5" drive will still be much faster. Of course I think most 3.5" enclosures do requrie a power brick to be used so that is a bit of an inconvinience, and they may not be as durrable as 2.5" drives when moved around. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:09:43 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:09:43 -0500 Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy In-Reply-To: <20050130174955.A28927-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <41FE7467.8080901@pobox.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: >I went through this some years ago. I thought carpal tunnel was some sort of >new-age ailment and never gave it a thought. Then, in the middle of typing a >large manuscript, my wrists felt like they were getting electric shocks, and >they started to hurt like crazy. Driving the car aggravated the problem >significantly. > > Ditto, but it's important to make sure one actually has CTS. In my case, I had severe tendonitis pretty much from my shoulder to the tips of my fingers. My arm is quite functional now, but I'll probably never regain 100% mobility and flexibility in my right wrist (it's at about 85% of my left wrist). >It was very scary, I thought I would have to give up typing altogether. My >GP sent me off to see someone at Wellesly, and the guy immediately wanted to >do surgery. Surgery may or may not work, but the thought of permanently >screwing up my wrists made me look for an alternative solution. My GP >thought the surgery was the answer, but he didn't press me on it. > > > As with most other treatments MD's recommend (for anything, alas), surgery just deals with the effect and not the cause. Slicing open your wrists does nothing to address whatever damaged your body in the first place. So even if the surgery helps with the symptoms, one can expect to reinjure oneself. >For the fourth visit to my GP, I asked if something like a sports medicine >doctor would be a good idea. After all, this must be something that happens >to athletes - albeit in a different part of their body. He then recommended >Dr. Robert Grisdale (416-485-1344 x 432), who is a Chiropracter and sports >medicine therapist. I must admit that I had some doubts about chiropracters >in general, but Grisdale showed me how to fix the problem, so I'm a convert. >He worked on my upper back and gave me a bunch of stretching exercises that >really cured the problem. At first I did the exercises on a twice-daily >basis. Then I dropped slowly down to once a day and then to 'as needed'. The >total exercise routine takes about 10 minutes, involves a bunch of stretches >and a brief workout with a stretchy band. > > I saw a chiropractor as well (Lynette Nissen at Bloor Avenue Chiropractic), which really helped. Exercises are key. They must be done religiously. My neck and upper back were locked stiff. Her explanation (loosely, from memory) was that the cramped muscles bent the spine out of shape, impinging on nerves and constricting blood flow to the arm. Over time, this does Bad Things to the tissues in one's arms. The important thing is to see someone who will do soft tissue work as well as skeletal adjustments. There are some bone breakers out there who just do spinal manipulations, which hurts like hell if your muscles are locked up, and seems absurd to me, since the cramped muscles are what pulled the spine out of alignment in the first place! The take-away is that humans are like all other animals: we were designed to move. We were not designed to sit immobile in front of a keyboard for 12+ hours a day, so we need to work frequent, varied movement into our daily routines to keep healthy. Another thing that helps (prior to/after injury) is to build up general arm (and body) strength. So go swimming, hit the gym, etc. >Grisdale's comments was 'You've been building up a >debt in your body, and now you need to start repayment.' > > This is a general point with all such injuries: it took time to cause the injury, and it will take time to heal it. So in Peter's case, he can look forward to at least some time of *no* typing whatsoever, then a gradual re-introduction of keyboarding. >My mother (always ask mom!) mentioned that Vitamin B6 had the effect of >shrinking nerve bundles. The root of the Carpal Tunnel problem as I >understand it is that the nerve connections abraid on the sides of the >tunnel, they become inflamed, and worsens the problem. So shrinking the >cable going through that opening can help. I started at 100mG doses and then >when the problem got better dropped back to 25mG on a daily basis. B6 can be >gotten from the drug store or wherever without prescription. I can't be >absolutely positive that this works, but my impression was that it helped >and my understanding is that B6 is pretty benign. > > Maximum daily dose of B6 is 300 mg; more than that and it's a neurotoxin. 100mg won't hurt, and more can help in cases of severe inflammation. But as with all anti-inflammatories, this is not a permanent fix -- this is a crutch to help heal. The root cause of the inflammation must be addressed; if it's not, then using the anti-inflammatory just masks symptoms and allows the injury to worsen. >- Of course, you need to take regular breaks. Binge typing is what got me >into this mess in the first place. You *must* have a proper chair, at the >proper height, with a proper desk. When I got this problem I was working on >a table and sitting on a barstool. I now cringe when I think of it. Your >forearms should be level. > > This is key. Also don't slouch in your good chair. I found tilting my seat forward and the back rest back helped. Basically I was imitating the posture of a kneeling-type chair. >On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:02:13PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > > >>I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and >>nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to >>talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery >>really ought to be a last resort, only after six months to a year of >>working with "conservative" (non-interventionist) therapies. Plus the >>fact that I don't really want my carpal ligament severed. >> >> If your MD is anything like most MD's, he's not qualified to diagnose CTS. Don't trust his diagnosis. >>It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective >>experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have >>some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical >>information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have >>tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports >>are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to >>go; I want this problem *gone*. >> >>What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, >>both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; >>lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. >> >> Bad news: you've been abusing your body for a long time and have caused yourself a significant injury. Good news: it can be healed (so long as you avoid the butchers). But it will take time to undo the damage you have done, and it will require changes in your basic habits. But such is the way with all real healing: there are no magic pills and no quick fixes. And the only effective, permanent solution for any ailment is to change whatever caused the ailment in the first place. Don't get depressed over what you read on the net -- much of it is junk. Also don't trust MD's. If you need reason not to trust MD's, I've got tons of horror stories (I was born with an immune deficiency). Just a brief point to ponder: when's the last time you saw a healthy, slim, vital-looking doctor, with a shiny, lustrous coat and bright, clear eyes? ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:27:47 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:27:47 -0500 Subject: IT Project Management tools Message-ID: <41FE78A3.7040603@knet.ca> I need a book or some opensource software that does IT Project Management. Recommendations? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:40:11 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:40:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: IT Project Management tools In-Reply-To: <41FE78A3.7040603-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FE78A3.7040603@knet.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Teddy Mills wrote: > I need a book or some opensource software that does IT Project Management. > Recommendations? "Debugging the Development Process", Steve Maguire. Ignore the fact that it's from Microsoft Press: it's nevertheless very good. Management is not something you can do with software. Software can help with particular aspects of it, but you're going to have to be more specific about what you want. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:45:56 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:45:56 -0500 Subject: IT project management software Message-ID: <41FE7CE4.3020005@sympatico.ca> > I need a book or some opensource software that does IT Project > Management. > Recommendations? I think that Mr. Project would be a good choice. Its available as a Mandrake rpm and is aimed at I.T. project management, although I used it to monitor a large renovation project at my former employer. I found it to be pretty intuitive and easy to use from the get go. http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=mrproject&submit=Search+...&system=&arch= -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:50:44 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:50:44 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> Quoting Henry Spencer : > Passed along by a friend: > > says: > > Morning Edition, January 31, 2005 ? The government of Brazil says it > will switch 300,000 government computers from Microsoft's Windows > operating system to open source software like Linux. Microsoft founder > Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president to discuss the > change. Brazil is dropping all proprietary software. I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks like this time they decided to pass the point of no-return. For those who want to know what Gate will say, see "Things to say when you're losing a technical argument": http://www.skirsch.com/humor/techarg.htm :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 18:53:30 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:53:30 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050131135330.opo6nzkao0oco844@www.almatau.com> Quoting Ilya Palagin : > Quoting Henry Spencer : > >> Passed along by a friend: >> >> says: >> >> Morning Edition, January 31, 2005 ? The government of Brazil says it >> will switch 300,000 government computers from Microsoft's Windows >> operating system to open source software like Linux. Microsoft founder >> Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president to discuss the >> change. Brazil is dropping all proprietary software. > > I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks > like this > time they decided to pass the point of no-return. For those who want to know > what Gates will say, see "Things to say when you're losing a technical > argument": > http://www.skirsch.com/humor/techarg.htm > :-) Something like "That's totally inefficient on modern hardware." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 19:28:11 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:28:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <20050131192554.X49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: > I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks > like this I think it wax Mexico that had the failed attempt. It seems to have come down to lots of desire and a lack of skilled people on the ground (at least employed skilled people - I'm sure Mexico has as many Linux admins per capita as anywhere else). Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:12:22 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:12:22 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050131192554.X49375-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> <20050131192554.X49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050131151222.hg34oh3pw1hcs0ok@www.almatau.com> Quoting Robert Brockway : > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: > >> I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks >> like this > > I think it wax Mexico that had the failed attempt. It seems to have come > down to lots of desire and a lack of skilled people on the ground (at > least employed skilled people - I'm sure Mexico has as many Linux admins > per capita as anywhere else). > > Rob Yes, it looks like Mexico was going to use it in schools. I found why I thought it failed in Brazil. "Brazil Gives Nod to Open Source" - Nov 16,2003 Slow progress? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:41:42 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:42 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41F9C20D.5090602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050131204142.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 11:39:41PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Yes, it's true ! Not all of them, of course, only a collection of > personal data back-up CDs that I have been making for the past few > years. The data is as salvaged as it's ever going to be, and everything > important is in newer backups, but these coasters have /way/ too much > information on 'em. > I've tried scoring them with a razor, only to release a hail of > undoubtedly toxic silver snow. Maybe I should just scratch up the other > side ? How would you best render sensitive data CDs unreadable ? > And while we're at it, what is an environmentally conscious fella to do > with a rather large sack of unloved coasters ? I have seen "shredders" for CDs for sale, which esentially just cut indentations into the surface of the CD which is a rather permanent way to make them unreadably. Scratching may actually not do enough. Now another method might be to freeze the CDs or throw them in a snow pile. Some years ago a friend was playing frisbee with a coaster out in the snow, and the metal layor on the CD-R disintegrated when the CD got cold (I guess the metal and plastic have very different expansion/contraction rates). Sure wasn't anyway that disk was getting to be read ever again given the dye and metal layer was gone and the CD simply had a clear piece of plastic left. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:50:02 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:50:02 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <200501280936.13522.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20050131205002.GK31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:36:13AM -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > I am in the market for a new computer and would like to sort out some of the > advertising hype. > What does "shared dual channel DDR2 SDRAM" imply? > -shared-: > Is this a HW or SW feature? Does it share memory with a graphic card or does > it share it between running processes? > -dual channel-: > Is this a feature of the memory or how the memory is used by the mobo to > achieve an effective 800MB data channel using a 400MB rated memory? > -DDR2-: > What is to be gained by using DDR2 versus DDR ? > I see more and more SATA drives being part of packaged computers. What are the > pro's and con's for them? Are they more difficult to get installed with > Linux? Usually shared memory means something other than the CPU/chipset is using the meomry for it's own use. Often this would be the case for somethign that has onboard video, such as the crap made by intel in some of their chipsets. This is a bad thing (but cheap to manufacture). Dual channel means the chipset runs the memory in two banks to give you twice the memory bandwidth. This is a good thing. DDR2 can theoretically be faster than DDR, but so far nothing seems to ahve really taken advantage of it yet. I suspect it still costs extra too. SATA is great, since the cable can be longer, and blocks less air flow tahn the old IDE ribbon cables. It also allows a higher transfer rate although no current drive is anywhere near that limit. SATA currently comes in 1.5 or 3.0Gbps (150 or 300MB/s). IDE is normally 100 or 133MB/s max (although shared between up to two drives per channel). SATA doesn't share. Of course with the bus speed of PCI usualyl being 132MB/s this only matters when the chipset connects the controller to something faster than plain PCI (which many new systems fortunately do). Linux support for SATA works great on many chipsets, but not all. Sil3112 works fine, intel ICH5 works, nvidia's nforce4 works, and via's sata works. Sil3114 is a pain to get drivers for as far as I can tell, and I am not sure about any of the promise chips either. Make sure the bios is set to native mode or you will have some issues (for example the intel won't run your regular cdrom/dvd in dma mode if set to shared or compatible mode, but will in native mode). Of course XP users need a floppy drive to load SATA drivers if in native mode, or a custom made install CD that includes the drivers (often called slipstreaming). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:51:04 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:51:04 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <200501281035.21056.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200501280936.13522.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <4386c5b2050128064218a004b9@mail.gmail.com> <200501281035.21056.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20050131205103.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 10:35:21AM -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > Can one assume that 'shared memory' implies that there is an Intel 'Extreme > Graphic' chip set on the motherboard? Are there other chip sets that make use > of this shared memory? Many chipsets do this. > Is the amount of the shared memory depending on the total installed RAM? It is often selectable in the BIOS, or sometimes in the video drivers. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:53:24 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:24 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050131205324.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 01:40:25PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > Except there's no obvious reason why it would be so. The *only* > fundamental difference in the drive is the cable interface, and I don't > think that generally ranked high as a power consumer. SATA has a new power connector, and future SATA specs will require the drives to start using 5V and 3.3V only while current IDE drives use 5V and 12V. This will make a difference in power consumption (voltage converters are not 100% efficient after all and electronics today don't use 12 or even 5V). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:55:10 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:55:10 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:34:28PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > I think one important consideration with the SATA drives is the fact that > even tho the bus speed is higher, the total throughput of the drive remains > the same as an ATA drive. Unless there has been big changes in drive seek > times and such, I don't there there any advantage throughput wise in > getting SATA. When they get native command queueing (NCQ) added in it will start to make a difference. Command queueing used to be a SCSI only feature but real SATA drives have it too. Most SATA drives so far have been IDE drives with a SATA interface added, not true SATA drives. A few new drives are true SATA though and support the full spec. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 20:57:42 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:57:42 -0500 Subject: shared memory In-Reply-To: <41FA7809.8020408-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41FA7809.8020408@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050131205742.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 12:36:09PM -0500, John McGregor wrote: > There are basicly two types of motherboards -- integrated and > non-integrated. In the integrated boards, video, sound, nics, modems are > all included on the board itself rather than being separate add in pci > cards et al.The chipsets for the motherboards can be made by various > maunfacturers with the more common ones being Intel, SIS, Nvidia and > ATI. The advantage to integrated boards is that they generally cost less > as a total solution than a box that uses a non-integrated board.. The > disadvantage is the memory that is shared with the video card. If the > video card is slated to use <= 32MB, then the performance hit that you > can expect in a 512 MB system will be negligible. If on the other hand > the card is configured to use 128MB, the performance hit can be > substantial, especially in graphics intensive applications.What may be > confusing you is that a standard add in video card is supplied with its > own memory chips and has no need to access system memory. Loosing memory is a minor problem. Loosing bandwidth to access your memory is a big problem. The video card will be constantly reading the framebuffer 60 to 75 times per second to draw the display, all of which cuts into the amount of data the cpu can read and write from memory. ie: 1024*768*32bpp = 3MB/fps * 75Hz refresh = 225MB/s to keep the display running. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 21:00:19 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050131151222.hg34oh3pw1hcs0ok-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> <20050131192554.X49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20050131151222.hg34oh3pw1hcs0ok@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <41FE9C63.9030005@rogers.com> Ilya Palagin wrote: > Quoting Robert Brockway : > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: >> >>> I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks >>> like this >> >> >> I think it wax Mexico that had the failed attempt. It seems to have come >> down to lots of desire and a lack of skilled people on the ground (at >> least employed skilled people - I'm sure Mexico has as many Linux admins >> per capita as anywhere else). >> >> Rob > > > Yes, it looks like Mexico was going to use it in schools. I found why I > thought > it failed in Brazil. "Brazil Gives Nod to Open Source" - Nov 16,2003 Slow > progress? > > Apparently they're already using samba. I've no idea what Carnival is though. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 21:01:11 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:01:11 -0500 Subject: Fedora dual boot In-Reply-To: <200501292251.07265.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200501292251.07265.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20050131210111.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 10:51:06PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I am surprised no one else has mentioned this so I will. Please stop sending > HTML mail to the list. It is really annoying to see all that raw HTML (ugly > to boot) just for a few lines of text. Yes, I can view HTML if I wanted to in > KMail but I have it disabled to not display by default as it often contains > executable content. (I wonder why this list server is not set up to strip > HTML junk from messages.) Also, please trim messages so that at the very > least you get rid of the message footer inserted by the list server. To your > credit, at least you bottom post. I stopped bothering. If my email client shows me only: [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] I delete the message since I don't care to deal with it. Replying is too messy when the original is HTML. If people can't follow mailing list ettiquete (or in some cases even mandetory rules for the list), I can't be bothered to read their email. At least I am not one of the nasty people that blacklist their email forever and subscribe them to spam lists. :) I know a few people that might do so. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 21:10:15 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:10:15 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050131205324.GM31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205324.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:24 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > SATA has a new power connector, and future SATA specs will require the > drives to start using 5V and 3.3V only while current IDE drives use 5V > and 12V. This will make a difference in power consumption (voltage > converters are not 100% efficient after all and electronics today don't > use 12 or even 5V). Well, I'm pretty sure that the electronics haven't used 12V for a good 15 years either; that would have been for the motors in ye olde 5.25" full-height HDs. Note that your CD and DVD drives are half-height. You do the math. :) Since the newer drives are all small anyway, nobody has to use a 12V motor anymore, and the electronics are all 3.3V, too. Neat detail, though. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 21:22:58 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:22:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050131205324.GM31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205324.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > SATA has a new power connector, and future SATA specs will require the > drives to start using 5V and 3.3V only while current IDE drives use 5V > and 12V. This will make a difference in power consumption (voltage > converters are not 100% efficient after all and electronics today don't > use 12 or even 5V). The drive builders don't *have* to use 12V for anything if they don't want to, and if they do, it'll be because there's a real advantage to doing so. Doing without may increase power consumption rather than reducing it. If your electronics are 3.3V -- which they mostly are, now -- then yes, there is some advantage in getting a direct 3.3V supply rather than having to convert it yourself. But it's unlikely to be huge. I'd guess that the bulk of the power goes into making things move, in which case avoiding a converter for the electronics isn't going to save a lot. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 21:54:45 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:54:45 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050131205324.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050131215445.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:10:15PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > Well, I'm pretty sure that the electronics haven't used 12V for a good 15 years > either; that would have been for the motors in ye olde 5.25" full-height HDs. > Note that your CD and DVD drives are half-height. You do the math. :) > > Since the newer drives are all small anyway, nobody has to use a 12V motor > anymore, and the electronics are all 3.3V, too. > > Neat detail, though. :) Well most 3.5" harddrives still list some current draw at 12V, while laptop drives don't have anything other than 5V to draw on (no 12V on a laptop drive connector). However just checking the data sheet on the new seagate NCQ enabled SATA drives (like their 400GB) it uses 13 to 30W at 12V (up to 2.8A max it says with 13W typical). I guess they haven't gone to lower power yet (although SATA always calimed to reduce heat and power use at some point). I guess the lack of power supplies with real SATA power connectors is a problem still. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:08:26 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:08:26 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8-9yrvbIq3RigsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8@mail.eol.ca> Message-ID: <20050131220727.38C11B49F9@outbox.allstream.net> How will we recognize the PHLUG table in the pub? I won't know any people by faces. bob On January 29, 2005 03:58 pm, you wrote: > How convenient to remember ------ the next PHLUG meeting in Mississauga > will be on > February 1 :-). That is this tuesday evening, 7pm. > > Everyone had a good time over good meals and no restrictions on talking > "shop" for > a few hours. Consider joining us. The meeting will be again at Mulligan's > Pub in the > Woodchester Mall. It is right off the south side of Dundas West between > Glen Erin > and Woodchester. For slightly broader cross references, it is between > Winston Churchill > and Erin Mills Parkway. Its easy to get to. There is a light right at > Woodchester. Turn there > to enter the shopping mall. Laptops are welcome and frequently brought > along. Topics are > .... whatever all of you want and whatever you strike up a conversation > over. No one has > had complaints about the service and food. They are good. > > All are welcome. Lets surprise the staff at the restaurant with our > increase in numbers. > > Bill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:11:10 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:11:10 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: ; from jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:10:15PM -0500 References: <20050131205324.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050131171110.C26941@ee.ryerson.ca> Just so no one goes away with the wrong idea: lower voltage doesn't *necessarily* mean lower power - the current might increase at a lower voltage. Power is the product of voltage and current. If the motor is more efficient, then that will result in lower power and I'll bet it's a matter of now being able to operate from the motor at 5 volts at a reasonable current. A lower voltage motor is not necessarily more efficient. On the other hand, lower supply voltages on integrated circuits result in lower power dissipation, as a matter of the chip design, and charging and discharging the chip capacitances. In that case, a lower voltage means you charge the capacitances with a smaller total charge, which means less current, which means smaller power dissipation. Peter On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:10:15PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:53:24 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > SATA has a new power connector, and future SATA specs will require the > > drives to start using 5V and 3.3V only while current IDE drives use 5V > > and 12V. This will make a difference in power consumption (voltage > > converters are not 100% efficient after all and electronics today don't > > use 12 or even 5V). > > Well, I'm pretty sure that the electronics haven't used 12V for a good 15 years > either; that would have been for the motors in ye olde 5.25" full-height HDs. > Note that your CD and DVD drives are half-height. You do the math. :) > > Since the newer drives are all small anyway, nobody has to use a 12V motor > anymore, and the electronics are all 3.3V, too. > > Neat detail, though. :) > > -- > taa > /*eof*/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:19:46 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:19:46 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <20050131220727.38C11B49F9-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8@mail.eol.ca> Message-ID: <41FE68B2.30319.2565B02@localhost> The first time I came I asked the waitress. Paul On 31 Jan 2005 at 17:08, bob wrote: > How will we recognize the PHLUG table in the pub? I won't know any > people by faces. > > bob > > On January 29, 2005 03:58 pm, you wrote: > > How convenient to remember ------ the next PHLUG meeting in Mississauga > > will be on > > February 1 :-). That is this tuesday evening, 7pm. > > > > Everyone had a good time over good meals and no restrictions on talking > > "shop" for > > a few hours. Consider joining us. The meeting will be again at Mulligan's Pub > > in the Woodchester Mall. It is right off the south side of Dundas West between > > Glen Erin and Woodchester. For slightly broader cross references, it is > > between Winston Churchill and Erin Mills Parkway. Its easy to get to. There is > > a light right at Woodchester. Turn there to enter the shopping mall. Laptops > > are welcome and frequently brought along. Topics are .... whatever all of you > > want and whatever you strike up a conversation over. No one has had complaints > > about the service and food. They are good. > > > > All are welcome. Lets surprise the staff at the restaurant with our > > increase in numbers. > > > > Bill > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.988 (20050131) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:29:49 2005 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (FM (a.k.a. Erebus)) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:29:49 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <41FE68B2.30319.2565B02@localhost> References: <41FE68B2.30319.2565B02@localhost> Message-ID: <20050131223012.123276DCE7@lethe.ss.org> First time I came I just looked for a group who weren't watching the sports on TV. Frank in Mississauga erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 22:49:09 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <20050131220727.38C11B49F9-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8@mail.eol.ca> <20050131220727.38C11B49F9@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <41FEB5E5.4050501@rogers.com> bob wrote: > How will we recognize the PHLUG table in the pub? I won't know any > people by faces. You mean you don't know what a Linux user looks like??? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 23:53:20 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:53:20 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <41FE9C63.9030005-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> <20050131192554.X49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20050131151222.hg34oh3pw1hcs0ok@www.almatau.com> <41FE9C63.9030005@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41FEC4F0.6040206@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > > > Apparently they're already using samba. I've no idea what Carnival is > though. ;-) Just announced last week, Carnival is the new way of writing NTFS, using wine methods and MikeRoweSoft s own NTFS drivers ... oh, wait, you were winking .. you /knew/ that ! nevermind :-) djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 23:59:23 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:59:23 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <20050131204142.GJ31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> <20050131204142.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41FEC65B.10307@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >Now another method might be to freeze the CDs or throw them in a snow >pile. Some years ago a friend was playing frisbee with a coaster out in >the snow, and the metal layor on the CD-R disintegrated when the CD got >cold (I guess the metal and plastic have very different >expansion/contraction rates). Sure wasn't anyway that disk was getting >to be read ever again given the dye and metal layer was gone and the CD >simply had a clear piece of plastic left. > very cool ! Makes sense, too. do you suppose one might recycle the aluminum, that way ? Enough to make it worth aggressively collecting coasters and designing the process? Maybe it's a seasonal thing (winter) :-) Does that mean I should think twice before leaving valuable disks in a cold car ?? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 31 23:51:23 2005 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (alain maisonneuve) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:51:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale Message-ID: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 4 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 16.9 GB SCSI HDD 33.8 GB SCSI HDD DLT Tape Backup Drive 3.5 Floppy CD ROM 4 MB Video Card DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 2 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 8.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 2 x Dat Drives (Tape Backup) CD ROM 4 MB Video Card F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium II 400Mhz 1.3 GB SD RAM CD ROM 3.5" Floppy 2 x Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 1 Ghz 512 MB RAM Wester Digital 8.4 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 2 Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 850 Mhz 512 MB RAM 15 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 3 Network Interfaces -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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