From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 00:14:36 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:14:36 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <20050131220727.38C11B49F9-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8@mail.eol.ca> <20050131220727.38C11B49F9@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <41FEC9EC.7030808@almatau.com> bob wrote: > How will we recognize the PHLUG table in the pub? I won't know any > people by faces. Be an hour late, search under the tables. :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 00:40:26 2005 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (FM (a.k.a. Erebus)) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:40:26 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <20050131223012.123276DCE7-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131223012.123276DCE7@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <20050201004130.753A86DCBD@lethe.ss.org> All: Odds are in favour of me not being there (social commitments). Sorry, I thought it was the 2nd Tuesday of the month and made these darn social plans. Hopefully see y'all at the March Meeting (unless the social commitments fall through and then I'll be there). Frank in Mississauga -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 01:49:18 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:49:18 -0500 Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <010401c50800$3e6a4020$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Have you looked at the "Natural" keyboards (at home I have examples by both Logitech and by Microsoft). Yes, they are UGLY but I find they are very comfortable to type on, and while hardly a solution to the likes of carpal tunnel, might help a bit... "Peter Hiscocks" on Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:49 PM wrote: > I've been meaning to write this out for someone else who needs advice on > carpal tunnel, so this email is a good incentive. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I went through this some years ago. I thought carpal tunnel was some sort of > new-age ailment and never gave it a thought. Then, in the middle of typing a > large manuscript, my wrists felt like they were getting electric shocks, and > they started to hurt like crazy. Driving the car aggravated the problem > significantly. > > It was very scary, I thought I would have to give up typing altogether. My > GP sent me off to see someone at Wellesly, and the guy immediately wanted to > do surgery. Surgery may or may not work, but the thought of permanently > screwing up my wrists made me look for an alternative solution. My GP > thought the surgery was the answer, but he didn't press me on it. > > Then my GP then sent me off for physiotherapy, and that didn't seem to help > much. It briefly alleviated the symptoms, but any typing brought them back > immediately. Massage therapy had similar results. > > I then talked to a pleasant rheumatoid arthritis specialist at St. Mikes. He > didn't have any suggestions. > > I found that wrist splints were no help at all. > > For the fourth visit to my GP, I asked if something like a sports medicine > doctor would be a good idea. After all, this must be something that happens > to athletes - albeit in a different part of their body. He then recommended > Dr. Robert Grisdale (416-485-1344 x 432), who is a Chiropracter and sports > medicine therapist. I must admit that I had some doubts about chiropracters > in general, but Grisdale showed me how to fix the problem, so I'm a convert. > He worked on my upper back and gave me a bunch of stretching exercises that > really cured the problem. At first I did the exercises on a twice-daily > basis. Then I dropped slowly down to once a day and then to 'as needed'. The > total exercise routine takes about 10 minutes, involves a bunch of stretches > and a brief workout with a stretchy band. > > Since then I've typed a 700+ page manuscript on analog electronics without > any major twinges. > > Subsequently, I read a theory posted on the net to the effect that the wrist > problems are related to muscles in the upper back that tighten across the > shoulders. Certainly, the muscles in that area were totally locked into > knots and Grisdale got them loosened up again. I can't provide a mechanism, > but it did seem to work. Grisdale's comments was 'You've been building up a > debt in your body, and now you need to start repayment.' > > My mother (always ask mom!) mentioned that Vitamin B6 had the effect of > shrinking nerve bundles. The root of the Carpal Tunnel problem as I > understand it is that the nerve connections abraid on the sides of the > tunnel, they become inflamed, and worsens the problem. So shrinking the > cable going through that opening can help. I started at 100mG doses and then > when the problem got better dropped back to 25mG on a daily basis. B6 can be > gotten from the drug store or wherever without prescription. I can't be > absolutely positive that this works, but my impression was that it helped > and my understanding is that B6 is pretty benign. > > Some additional points: > > - I have a great GP, who I can go back to, if I'm not satisfied with some > specialist, and request someone else. He never gets huffy. It's great to > have someone like this who acts as a kind of traffic cop and is not > judgemental. > > - Yoga helps a lot. Stretching exercises seem to be the key to solving many > of these aches and pains. I did yoga exercises one winter at a local rec > centre and that made a positive difference. I also adapted some yoga > streching exercises into my exercise routine. They seem to work really well. > There are different yoga instructors, you need to find one who works at your > pace. > > - Of course, you need to take regular breaks. Binge typing is what got me > into this mess in the first place. You *must* have a proper chair, at the > proper height, with a proper desk. When I got this problem I was working on > a table and sitting on a barstool. I now cringe when I think of it. Your > forearms should be level. > > - I didn't use a different mouse or keyboard, I stayed with the ones I have. > But I'll bet a cordless mouse would help, and probably a keyboard that > breaks into two halves. I'd do those things if I got into another episode. > > I hope this helps. Maybe we should have a demonstration of the stretching > exercises at some TLUG meeting ;). > > Peter > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 01:02:13PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > > For the past few weeks I've been having the classic Carpal Tunnel > > Syndrome: transient tingling, numbness, burning in the thumb, index, > > and middle finger of the hand, with some associated shooting pains > > up the forearm. I had a bout of this four years ago, which led to my > > learning to touch-type; splinting the wrist and relaxing it for a few > > days helped alleviate the pain. This time it's much worse and seems > > rebarbative. > > > > I went to my doctor, who diagnosed CTS and ordered up blood tests and > > nerve conduction tests to be sure, but then *immediately* began to > > talk about surgery. Everything I've read on the Net says that surgery > > really ought to be a last resort, only after six months to a year of > > working with "conservative" (non-interventionist) therapies. Plus the > > fact that I don't really want my carpal ligament severed. > > > > It struck me that this group must have a fair amount of collective > > experience with this medical problem, and, just possibly, also have > > some collective wisdom about how to deal with it. I don't need medical > > information; I have all that. What I want to know is what people have > > tried and how successful (or not) it may have been -- anecdotal reports > > are just the ticket. I'll pay for the physiotherapy if that's the way to > > go; I want this problem *gone*. > > > > What I've tried to date: wrist splinting, either all day or at night only, > > both apparently ineffective; strong doses of ibuprofen as anti-inflammatory; > > lightening up (but not swearing off) keyboarding; and extensive complaining. > > > > -- > > Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > Department of Philosophy > > 215 Huron Street > > The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc > > Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 > > CANADA > > > > http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ > > > > ========================================================================= > > GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 > > > > -- > Peter D. Hiscocks > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > Ryerson University, > 350 Victoria Street, > Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada > > Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 > Fax: (416) 979-5280 > Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org > URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/05 > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 02:26:28 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:26:28 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. Message-ID: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I am back playing with remastering Knoppix (not surprising given that I talked about that at TLUG in December), and I have run into something that is working too well. As part of the boot I want to make sure the clock in the PC is displaying the correct date/time, so I have a little script that has: #!/bin/bash ntpdate -s -u <> The above works, perfectly, which I don't understand. How does the system know I am in Eastern Standard Time and not say for example Pacific Standard Time? As part of a test disk I have /etc/timezone set to CET (Central European Time), so ntpdate is NOT getting the correct time zone there. I have deliberately set the clock in my development PC to a date in December 2007, 6 hours different from the correct current time. Then I have tried timeservers in the Eastern Time zone and in the Pacific time zone, both come up with the correct current local date/time, so the timeservers are not sending current local time. In other words things are working perfectly, and that bugs the @#$% out of me because I don't understand why. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 02:26:43 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:26:43 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41FEE8E3.5070809@almatau.com> Colin McGregor wrote: ... > > As part of a test disk I have /etc/timezone set to CET (Central European > Time), so ntpdate is NOT getting the correct time zone there. I have > deliberately set the clock in my development PC to a date in December 2007, > 6 hours different from the correct current time. Then I have tried > timeservers in the Eastern Time zone and in the Pacific time zone, both come > up with the correct current local date/time, so the timeservers are not > sending current local time. In other words things are working perfectly, and > that bugs the @#$% out of me because I don't understand why. > > Colin McGregor #>/etc/adjtime Result? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 02:39:01 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:39:01 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050201023901.GA2731@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:26:28PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > I am back playing with remastering Knoppix (not surprising given that I > talked about that at TLUG in December), and I have run into something that > is working too well. As part of the boot I want to make sure the clock in > the PC is displaying the correct date/time, so I have a little script that > has: > > #!/bin/bash > ntpdate -s -u <> > > The above works, perfectly, which I don't understand. How does the system > know I am in Eastern Standard Time and not say for example Pacific Standard > Time? > > As part of a test disk I have /etc/timezone set to CET (Central European > Time), so ntpdate is NOT getting the correct time zone there. I have > deliberately set the clock in my development PC to a date in December 2007, > 6 hours different from the correct current time. Then I have tried > timeservers in the Eastern Time zone and in the Pacific time zone, both come > up with the correct current local date/time, so the timeservers are not > sending current local time. In other words things are working perfectly, and > that bugs the @#$% out of me because I don't understand why. All time data are in GMT. Your /etc/timezone will convert to local time when displaying or when saving to CMOS (if it's set to local time). -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 02:51:22 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:51:22 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41FEE8E3.5070809@almatau.com> Message-ID: <018301c50808$e9ff2420$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Ilya Palagin" on Monday, January 31, 2005 9:26 PM wrote: > Colin McGregor wrote: > ... > > > > As part of a test disk I have /etc/timezone set to CET (Central European > > Time), so ntpdate is NOT getting the correct time zone there. I have > > deliberately set the clock in my development PC to a date in December 2007, > > 6 hours different from the correct current time. Then I have tried > > timeservers in the Eastern Time zone and in the Pacific time zone, both come > > up with the correct current local date/time, so the timeservers are not > > sending current local time. In other words things are working perfectly, and > > that bugs the @#$% out of me because I don't understand why. > > > > Colin McGregor > > #>/etc/adjtime > > Result? cat /etc/adjtime results in: -0.001547 1073527507 0.000000 1073527507 LOCAL Now, my understanding is that adjtime acts as a way for the system to automatically compensate for PC clocks chips that ALWAYS run slightly too fast/slow. I also understood (maybe incorrectly) that adjtime had no record of current time zone... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 02:57:14 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:57:14 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201023901.GA2731@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <018901c50809$bbe1ea40$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "William Park" on Monday, January 31, 2005 9:39 PM wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:26:28PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > I am back playing with remastering Knoppix (not surprising given that I > > talked about that at TLUG in December), and I have run into something that > > is working too well. As part of the boot I want to make sure the clock in > > the PC is displaying the correct date/time, so I have a little script that > > has: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > ntpdate -s -u <> > > > > The above works, perfectly, which I don't understand. How does the system > > know I am in Eastern Standard Time and not say for example Pacific Standard > > Time? > > > > As part of a test disk I have /etc/timezone set to CET (Central European > > Time), so ntpdate is NOT getting the correct time zone there. I have > > deliberately set the clock in my development PC to a date in December 2007, > > 6 hours different from the correct current time. Then I have tried > > timeservers in the Eastern Time zone and in the Pacific time zone, both come > > up with the correct current local date/time, so the timeservers are not > > sending current local time. In other words things are working perfectly, and > > that bugs the @#$% out of me because I don't understand why. > > All time data are in GMT. Your /etc/timezone will convert to local > time when displaying or when saving to CMOS (if it's set to local time). Yes, but HOW does my system know it is in the Eastern Standard time zone as opposed to MST (Mountain Standard Time) or Central Time or .... Where is the time zone information stored on the Knoppix disk, or where/how does Knoppix get the time zone information from the network? There is the problem... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 03:18:31 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:18:31 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: <018901c50809$bbe1ea40$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201023901.GA2731@node1.opengeometry.net> <018901c50809$bbe1ea40$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050201031831.GA2924@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:57:14PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > "William Park" on Monday, January 31, 2005 9:39 PM > wrote: > > All time data are in GMT. Your /etc/timezone will convert to local > > time when displaying or when saving to CMOS (if it's set to local > > time). > > Yes, but HOW does my system know it is in the Eastern Standard time > zone as opposed to MST (Mountain Standard Time) or Central Time or > .... Where is the time zone information stored on the Knoppix disk, or $ ls -l /etc/localtime lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 8 2003 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern > where/how does Knoppix get the time zone information from the network? > There is the problem... It doesn't. It gets time in GMT from the NTP server. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 05:43:45 2005 From: right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org (Amos H. Weatherill) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:43:45 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Question : What kind of price range are we talking about here? -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of alain maisonneuve Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:51 PM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Servers for sale DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 4 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 16.9 GB SCSI HDD 33.8 GB SCSI HDD DLT Tape Backup Drive 3.5 Floppy CD ROM 4 MB Video Card DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 2 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 8.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 2 x Dat Drives (Tape Backup) CD ROM 4 MB Video Card F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium II 400Mhz 1.3 GB SD RAM CD ROM 3.5" Floppy 2 x Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 1 Ghz 512 MB RAM Wester Digital 8.4 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 2 Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 850 Mhz 512 MB RAM 15 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 3 Network Interfaces -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 05:52:35 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:52:35 -0500 Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050201055235.GA25539@m450> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote > Microsoft founder Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president > to discuss the change. MS is running a "World FUD Tour". In addition to going to meet Brazil's president, MS has... - Ballmer in Asia, with a New Joisey accent... duh... nice country youse got here. Youse wouldn't want something terrible to happen to it like patent lawsuits. If youse just uses Microsoft products you'll have protection against lawsuits. - http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050130080116688 Another reader wrote to his MEP in Ireland, Avril Doyle, and the communication he got back from a staffer told him that Gates will be visiting the EU Parliament on February 1, next Tuesday, to meet with a "select group" of MEPs on the issue of software patents and "other issues". -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 09:38:58 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:38:58 +0200 (IST) Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131135044.d7hp6iga0iv48c0w@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Quoting Henry Spencer : > >> Passed along by a friend: >> >> says: >> >> Morning Edition, January 31, 2005 ? The government of Brazil says it >> will switch 300,000 government computers from Microsoft's Windows >> operating system to open source software like Linux. Microsoft founder >> Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president to discuss the >> change. Brazil is dropping all proprietary software. > > I remember they had a failed attempt to move schools to Linux. Looks > like this > time they decided to pass the point of no-return. For those who want to know > what Gate will say, see "Things to say when you're losing a technical > argument": > http://www.skirsch.com/humor/techarg.htm > :-) Why is it that arguments thoroughly lost on the technical side can still be won by the borg side using 'political' arguments ? Peter From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 09:43:39 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:43:39 +0200 (IST) Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050131205510.GN31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 05:34:28PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: >> I think one important consideration with the SATA drives is the fact that >> even tho the bus speed is higher, the total throughput of the drive remains >> the same as an ATA drive. Unless there has been big changes in drive seek >> times and such, I don't there there any advantage throughput wise in >> getting SATA. > > When they get native command queueing (NCQ) added in it will start to > make a difference. Command queueing used to be a SCSI only feature but > real SATA drives have it too. Most SATA drives so far have been IDE > drives with a SATA interface added, not true SATA drives. A few new > drives are true SATA though and support the full spec. I thought ncq was beneficial on scsi because several devices share the bus. On sata there is only one per bus. How would they benefit from ncq ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 09:49:49 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:49:49 +0200 (IST) Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <41FEB5E5.4050501-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050129154229.04120fa8@mail.eol.ca> <20050131220727.38C11B49F9@outbox.allstream.net> <41FEB5E5.4050501@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, James Knott wrote: > bob wrote: >> How will we recognize the PHLUG table in the pub? I won't know any >> people by faces. > > You mean you don't know what a Linux user looks like??? ;-) Wears smocking and orange swimming paddles, a yellow cardboard beak and a black rubber swimming cap ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 10:03:53 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:03:53 +0200 (IST) Subject: Brazil goes open source In-Reply-To: <20050201055235.GA25539@m450> References: <20050201055235.GA25539@m450> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote > >> Microsoft founder Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president >> to discuss the change. > > MS is running a "World FUD Tour". In addition to going to meet > Brazil's president, MS has... > > - Ballmer in Asia, with a New Joisey accent... duh... nice country > youse got here. Youse wouldn't want something terrible to happen > to it like patent lawsuits. If youse just uses Microsoft products > you'll have protection against lawsuits. > > - http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050130080116688 > Another reader wrote to his MEP in Ireland, Avril Doyle, and the > communication he got back from a staffer told him that Gates will be > visiting the EU Parliament on February 1, next Tuesday, to meet with > a "select group" of MEPs on the issue of software patents and "other > issues". my private opinion on the us patent issue is that the world is slowly but surely sailing towards a second Boston Tea Party except this time it will be about patents, not tea. The us patents issue is simply threading on too many toes everywhere I look. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 10:55:24 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:55:24 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <20050201004130.753A86DCBD-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131223012.123276DCE7@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41FF19CC.25360.50A28F9@localhost> Yeah, Frank has a point. How did it get moved to the first Tuesday? I am horribly busy Feb 1 as well. Paul King On 31 Jan 2005 at 19:40, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > All: > > Odds are in favour of me not being there (social commitments). Sorry, I > thought it was the 2nd Tuesday of the month and made these darn social > plans. Hopefully see y'all at the March Meeting (unless the social > commitments fall through and then I'll be there). > > Frank in Mississauga > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > __________ NOD32 1.989 (20050131) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 13:13:43 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:43 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201023901.GA2731@node1.opengeometry.net> <018901c50809$bbe1ea40$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201031831.GA2924@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <003b01c5085f$db1f3ce0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "William Park" on Monday, January 31, 2005 10:18 PM wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:57:14PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > "William Park" on Monday, January 31, 2005 9:39 PM > > wrote: > > > All time data are in GMT. Your /etc/timezone will convert to local > > > time when displaying or when saving to CMOS (if it's set to local > > > time). > > > > Yes, but HOW does my system know it is in the Eastern Standard time > > zone as opposed to MST (Mountain Standard Time) or Central Time or > > .... Where is the time zone information stored on the Knoppix disk, or > > $ ls -l /etc/localtime > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Nov 8 2003 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Canada/Eastern Ok, but how does Knoppix determine that I am in the Eastern time zone? If I were to set the box up in say B.C. would the machine still be on Eastern time or would it shift to Pasific time automatically? If it does shift how does it it know? > > where/how does Knoppix get the time zone information from the network? > > There is the problem... > > It doesn't. It gets time in GMT from the NTP server. Ok, so again the displays I see are in local time. How does the system know what "local time" is? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 13:36:08 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <41FF19CC.25360.50A28F9@localhost> References: <20050131223012.123276DCE7@lethe.ss.org> <41FF19CC.25360.50A28F9@localhost> Message-ID: <41FF85C8.9070106@utoronto.ca> Hmmmmm. Last meeting was Jan 4, which was the first Tuesday of January... Paul King wrote: > Yeah, Frank has a point. How did it get moved to the first Tuesday? I am > horribly busy Feb 1 as well. > > Paul King > > On 31 Jan 2005 at 19:40, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > > >>All: >> >>Odds are in favour of me not being there (social commitments). Sorry, I >>thought it was the 2nd Tuesday of the month and made these darn social >>plans. Hopefully see y'all at the March Meeting (unless the social >>commitments fall through and then I'll be there). >> >>Frank in Mississauga >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 >> >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >>__________ NOD32 1.989 (20050131) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.nod32.com >> >> > > > ========================================================= > Paul King http://alimentarus.net > "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains > of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 13:59:38 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:59:38 -0500 Subject: I want to destroy my CDs ! In-Reply-To: <41FEC65B.10307-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F9C20D.5090602@sympatico.ca> <20050131204142.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FEC65B.10307@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050201135937.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 06:59:23PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > very cool ! > Makes sense, too. do you suppose one might recycle the aluminum, that way ? > Enough to make it worth aggressively collecting coasters and designing > the process? > Maybe it's a seasonal thing (winter) :-) > Does that mean I should think twice before leaving valuable disks in a > cold car ?? I think it was the sudden temperature change that did it. The metal cools of very fast while the plastic doesn't conduct heat as well so it cools slower. At least that's my theory on it. I have never had a CD damaged by leaving it in the car in the winter, although I don't think I would put it in my computer until it warms up first. As for recycling the aluminum, I suspect it would take maybe a hundred CDs to equaly one can, and it would be contaminated by the dye material, so it may not be worth it, and perhaps it isn't wanted. If someone specialized in recycling CDs they would probably have a method for collecting the metal and plastic for proper recycling (and would of course have much better volumes too). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 14:02:30 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:02:30 -0500 Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy In-Reply-To: <010401c50800$3e6a4020$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> <010401c50800$3e6a4020$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050201140230.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:49:18PM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Have you looked at the "Natural" keyboards (at home I have examples by both > Logitech and by Microsoft). Yes, they are UGLY but I find they are very > comfortable to type on, and while hardly a solution to the likes of carpal > tunnel, might help a bit... And some people like my mother who actually has learned to type can't stand them because they did the left hand/right hand split wrong according to the typing rules she learned. If one of these companies were real smart they would duplicate a few keys down the middle to both sides so that all touch typists would be able to have the keys where they expect them. Many of them are also too wide for smaller people to use comfortably. Of course my mother has never complained about RSI or CTS either, so perhaps good posture and proper typing technique also makes a difference. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 14:09:11 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:09:11 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:43:39AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I thought ncq was beneficial on scsi because several devices share the > bus. On sata there is only one per bus. How would they benefit from ncq > ? No the idea is to issue multiple commands to each device in a queue and letting the device schedule which order to serve them in based on where it's head is and which order will get all the data the fastest. Old scsi disks might only have had an 8 command queue, while many newer drives have 256 command queues. This is very helpful if say two applications are both trying to read a large file. Both are issueing read requests but one is for blocks near the start of the drive and the other is near the end. If each got to issue one command at a time, you would get requests for begining, end, begining, end, begining, end, and your drive would have to seek back and forth every command (and seek times are not THAT good even on new drives), while if you had a 16 command queue, the drive would be able to sort them and go 'read 8 blocks from the begining, then 8 blocks from the end, then 8 blocks from the begining, etc', saving many ms of seek times. There has been some work on linux to implement command reordering in the kernel to essentially emulate command queueing in software and simply make sure to keep track of where the drive is. Of course the kernel doesn't know if the drive has remapped some bad sectors to spares, and where those spares are, or how the drive is physically layed out internally, so the drive really is better equiped to know what order is optimal. The kernel can help more by simply doing read ahead by predicting what a program might want next in addition to what it just asked for (so say program asks for on block, at a time, and has done so for 50 blocks so far, maybe the kernel can ask the drive to get it the next 10, so they are in the disk cache already when the program asks for the next one). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 14:48:08 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:48:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale Message-ID: I second that. -----Original Message----- From: Amos H. Weatherill [mailto:right_maple_nut-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA at public.gmane.org] Sent: February 1, 2005 12:44 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: re: OT: Servers for sale Question : What kind of price range are we talking about here? -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of alain maisonneuve Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:51 PM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Servers for sale DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 4 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 16.9 GB SCSI HDD 33.8 GB SCSI HDD DLT Tape Backup Drive 3.5 Floppy CD ROM 4 MB Video Card DELL PowerEdge 6400/700 2 x Pentium III Xeon 700Mhz Processors 2 GB RAM 8.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 25.4 GB SCSI HDD 2 x Dat Drives (Tape Backup) CD ROM 4 MB Video Card F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium II 400Mhz 1.3 GB SD RAM CD ROM 3.5" Floppy 2 x Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 1 Ghz 512 MB RAM Wester Digital 8.4 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 2 Network Interfaces F5 Networks BIG IP Pentium III 850 Mhz 512 MB RAM 15 GB IDE HDD CD ROM 3 Network Interfaces -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41ff15f747358683719064! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:02:02 2005 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora. Message-ID: hello folks, This morning, I was attempting to install Fedora on my 2nd hard drive. The problem is I experience problems on doing the automatic partitioning with Fedora. I'm trying to do the automatic partitioning on my Maxtor 30GB Hard drive. I've already created a 15GB VFAT partition which enables me to share files between Windows and in this case, Linux. I also have another 15GB of unallocated space. When I tried to go into the "keep all partitions and use the existing free space" option on my 2nd hard drive or "hdb". I've been presented with an error indicating that I could not allocate the reuqest partitions. This goes as follows: "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none" I also got this error message as well: "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not defined a root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of Fedora Core to continue. This can happen if there is not enough space on your hard drive(s) for the installation. You can choose a different automatic partiton option or click "back" to select manual partitioning." In my opinion, the manual partitioning is a very painful, tedious and meticular (sorry if i misspelled the word) process on establishing Fedora. I've checked the 2nd hard drive for errors and bad sectors, but there are none on my hard drive. I also defragged my hard drive as well. Any suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 16:02:55 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:02:55 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 In-Reply-To: <41FF85C8.9070106-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131223012.123276DCE7@lethe.ss.org> <41FF19CC.25360.50A28F9@localhost> <41FF85C8.9070106@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050201160254.GA5126@lupus.perlwolf.com> The initial meeting was originally set up for the second Tuesday in December, but it was then noted that that conflicted with TLUG (and the intent had been to avoid conflicting the date with TLUG/NEWTLUG). I forget whether the December meeting was changed to the first Tuesday, or simply the ongoing plan was to change to the first Tuesday (I live in Pickering, so I don't really try too hard to keep track of the details although if something especially interesting is happening I might show up someday anyhow). On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:36:08AM -0500, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Hmmmmm. > > Last meeting was Jan 4, which was the first Tuesday of January... > > Paul King wrote: > >Yeah, Frank has a point. How did it get moved to the first Tuesday? I am > >horribly busy Feb 1 as well. > > > >Paul King > > > >On 31 Jan 2005 at 19:40, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > > > > > >>All: > >> > >>Odds are in favour of me not being there (social commitments). Sorry, I > >>thought it was the 2nd Tuesday of the month and made these darn social > >>plans. Hopefully see y'all at the March Meeting (unless the social > >>commitments fall through and then I'll be there). > >> > >>Frank in Mississauga > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 > >> > >> > >>-- > >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >> > >>__________ NOD32 1.989 (20050131) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > > > > > >========================================================= > >Paul King http://alimentarus.net > >"Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains > >of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown > > > > > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:27:51 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:27:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201140911.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > ...There has been some work on linux to implement command > reordering in the kernel to essentially emulate command queueing in > software and simply make sure to keep track of where the drive is... While I haven't looked at the Linux code lately, disk scheduling (the original technical buzzphrase for this) has been done in Unix kernels for decades; this is not some new experimental idea. As Lennart notes, since drives got smart enough to do their own bad-sector remapping, the kernel doesn't have completely reliable knowledge of the order of sectors. And for some time now, its knowledge of the drive geometry has been an approximation to the truth at best. But it can still do a respectable job... and it can maintain much longer queues than most of the drives supported until recently. > ...The kernel can help more by simply doing > read ahead by predicting what a program might want next in addition to > what it just asked for... Readahead too has been a standard feature of Unixoid systems for decades. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:46:04 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:46:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050201154604.66191.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Taavi Burns wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:43 -0500, Colin McGregor > wrote: > > Ok, so again the displays I see are in local time. > How does the system know > > what "local time" is? > > Is it perhaps looking up your IP address in a > geographic IP database? I've > seen these used in some funky traceroute-like > programs to map known IP addresses > in "This IP block exists in this geography" to their > corresponding > physical places. Well, that is possible but it would be getting STRANGE. The box is on a non-routable IP number (i.e. 192.168.0.x), so concivably it could do a traceroute then assume the first routable IP number is it's geographic location... Possible, but very strange... > I don't know that this is what Knoppix does, but it > might explain how > it does its thing. Thanks for the idea... > -- > taa > /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:23:52 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:23:52 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: <003b01c5085f$db1f3ce0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201023901.GA2731@node1.opengeometry.net> <018901c50809$bbe1ea40$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201031831.GA2924@node1.opengeometry.net> <003b01c5085f$db1f3ce0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:13:43 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Ok, so again the displays I see are in local time. How does the system know > what "local time" is? Is it perhaps looking up your IP address in a geographic IP database? I've seen these used in some funky traceroute-like programs to map known IP addresses in "This IP block exists in this geography" to their corresponding physical places. I don't know that this is what Knoppix does, but it might explain how it does its thing. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 16:17:28 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:17:28 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201140911.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050201161727.GB5126@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 09:09:11AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:43:39AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > I thought ncq was beneficial on scsi because several devices share the > > bus. On sata there is only one per bus. How would they benefit from ncq > > ? > > No the idea is to issue multiple commands to each device in a queue and > letting the device schedule which order to serve them in based on where > it's head is and which order will get all the data the fastest. Old > scsi disks might only have had an 8 command queue, while many newer > drives have 256 command queues. This does put a higher urgency to an application's need to ensure that critically ordered I/O actually happens in order, though. If multiple I/Os are issued at the same time (the next one started before the previous one has completed) the large queue means that there is a greater chance of the second being completed significantly earlier than the first. A power failure at the wrong time, and that can be catastrophic. For example, a database program will often have to ensure that a log write is fully complete before it can safely proceed with committing a transaction - otherwise it could partially process the transaction, have a system crash lose the rest *and also prevent the completion of the log write*, and then on restart not have the log record to let it know that the partially completed transaction has to either be completed or rolled back. (Of course, you'd really want a UPS to prevent a power failure from causing an immediate failure.) (An application that carelessly uses overlapping I/O is already broken, but with small queues it may have been "getting away" with its broken behaviour because there is a small window for critical failure; the larger window can make the code that is broken in theory be more likely to fail in practice.) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:33:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:33:36 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: References: <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050201153336.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 10:27:51AM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > While I haven't looked at the Linux code lately, disk scheduling (the > original technical buzzphrase for this) has been done in Unix kernels for > decades; this is not some new experimental idea. But Linux doesn't have all the features that unix has had for decades yet. They all get added slowly a bit at a time. :) > As Lennart notes, since drives got smart enough to do their own bad-sector > remapping, the kernel doesn't have completely reliable knowledge of the > order of sectors. And for some time now, its knowledge of the drive > geometry has been an approximation to the truth at best. But it can still > do a respectable job... and it can maintain much longer queues than most > of the drives supported until recently. It would make sense to help out in software of course. And I know my drives don't all have 255 heads and 63 sectors per track. As if. :) > Readahead too has been a standard feature of Unixoid systems for decades. I suspect most drives also implement some read ahead caching using their onboard cache. I haven't read any actual specs on how the cache on hardisks is actually managed. Not even sure the drive makers publish that information. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:24:04 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 10:24:04 -0500 Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy In-Reply-To: <20050201140230.GS31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> <010401c50800$3e6a4020$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201140230.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41FF9F14.7050301@pobox.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >...so perhaps good posture and proper typing technique also >makes a difference. > > They certainly do. Also keep in mind that musicians have been keyboarding for centuries. They too are subject to similar injuries, yet over that time, pianists have evolved techniques to allow them to practise injury-free 10 or more hours a day for decades! (That's an extreme example, and I doubt that anyone but the world's greats does it, but the point is that it's humanly possible to do.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:29:51 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:29:51 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201161727.GB5126-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201161727.GB5126@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20050201152951.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:17:28AM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 09:09:11AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > This does put a higher urgency to an application's need > to ensure that critically ordered I/O actually happens in > order, though. If multiple I/Os are issued at the same time > (the next one started before the previous one has completed) > the large queue means that there is a greater chance of the > second being completed significantly earlier than the first. > A power failure at the wrong time, and that can be catastrophic. > For example, a database program will often have to ensure that > a log write is fully complete before it can safely proceed > with committing a transaction - otherwise it could partially > process the transaction, have a system crash lose the rest > *and also prevent the completion of the log write*, and then > on restart not have the log record to let it know that the > partially completed transaction has to either be completed or > rolled back. (Of course, you'd really want a UPS to prevent > a power failure from causing an immediate failure.) This is why disks don't do write caching by default (except some broken IDE drives), they don't queue writes, they simply complete ASAP. Besides what percentage of disk IO is reads vs. writes? Optimizing reads makes much more sense. As long as the drive doesn't say it has completed the write until it actually has, you are ok, which is how it works (as far as I have understood it). AS long as the drive doesn't say it has completed the write until it actually has, you are ok, which is how it works (as far as I have understood it). Sorting the writes if you get a few at a time, would actualyl get your data written to disk faster, making it less likely a power failure would cause problems. But writes should certainly be ordered ahead of reads as far as I am concerned. > (An application that carelessly uses overlapping I/O is already > broken, but with small queues it may have been "getting away" > with its broken behaviour because there is a small window for > critical failure; the larger window can make the code that is > broken in theory be more likely to fail in practice.) Any application that cares about data integrety does a write, then a fsync which will not return until the data is commited (unless the OS is broken, or you have a defective drive design that does write caching by default.) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 15:34:03 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:34:03 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201161727.GB5126-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201161727.GB5126@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:17:28 -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > This does put a higher urgency to an application's need > to ensure that critically ordered I/O actually happens in > order, though. If multiple I/Os are issued at the same time > (the next one started before the previous one has completed) > the large queue means that there is a greater chance of the > second being completed significantly earlier than the first. For read operations this is never a problem (unless the program has been written in a silly way). > A power failure at the wrong time, and that can be catastrophic. > For example, a database program will often have to ensure that > a log write is fully complete before it can safely proceed > with committing a transaction - otherwise it could partially > process the transaction, have a system crash lose the rest > *and also prevent the completion of the log write*, and then > on restart not have the log record to let it know that the > partially completed transaction has to either be completed or > rolled back. (Of course, you'd really want a UPS to prevent > a power failure from causing an immediate failure.) That is why the database application will request a flush of the disk cache (including all pending writes) at sanity checkpoints. This doesn't only apply to database applications, but to all journalled and ordered- writes filesystems. > (An application that carelessly uses overlapping I/O is already > broken, but with small queues it may have been "getting away" > with its broken behaviour because there is a small window for > critical failure; the larger window can make the code that is > broken in theory be more likely to fail in practice.) If it was simply "getting away" with the smaller queues, then it truly was asking to die at any time due to a freak accident. Games might be produced like this (I've heard of savegames and config saves causing problems when power fluctuations occur), but any robust piece of software that contains potentially valuable user data must ensure, so far as it is able, that things happen in the correct order. I also suspect that there are certain ordering rules set forth by the hardware and/or kernel to help ensure data integrity in the general case. But when in doubt, fsync(). ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 16:38:10 2005 From: billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Mudry) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:38:10 -0500 Subject: X freezing after updating from 10.0 to 10.1 Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201113635.03bc9ea0@mail.eol.ca> This past week I worked on updating my Mandrake box from 10.0 to 10.1. Most of the application programs went well. The change over of the kernel took a bit more coaching for me from another Linux person but I got it to work (as far as I can tell). However, on the X system, all I get is a blue screen. The cursor (a plus sign with white edges) moves around but there are absolutely NO icons on the screen and no keystrokes work at all. This is even after running XFdrake (which did seem to do a bunch of configuring) and checking some things.with mcc at the prompt. The only way I got to a prompt has been through booting on Failsafe. Even another lilo entry of 2.6.3 raced to the blue screen and froze. I have been able to change it so that it now stops at the command line (whew!) so at least the machine can take commands. I still am relatively new to Linux and have a long ways to go. Since my field of specialty is in web work, I cannot work without a proper gui screen and browser. The system worked just fine under 10.0. What recommendations do you have? Mr. hopeful, Bill Mudry Mississauga, Ontario -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 16:43:24 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:43:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Carpal Tunnel therapy In-Reply-To: <41FF9F14.7050301-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050130180213.GB22899@antec> <20050130174955.A28927@ee.ryerson.ca> <010401c50800$3e6a4020$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20050201140230.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FF9F14.7050301@pobox.com> Message-ID: <47141.206.186.8.130.1107276204.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Here are my comments as a musician and computer user: One word: POSTURE. Playing the piano using a bench or stool that's too low requires the pianist to raise her/his forearms which causes unnecessary strain on the shoulders and spine which result in all sorts of discomfort. Too high, the wrists bend upwards and playing forte will soon create another kind of discomfort, not mentioning a tendency to slouch which causes its own set of problems. With the wrong posture I cannot play for more that 10-15 minutes before feeling some discomfort. With the correct posture I can play for hours and only my public feels all sorts of pain (but that's another story altogether). Pay primary attention to the posture. Same with the computer: use a chair that makes sense. Kneeling chairs are my favourite. And also a big trackball whenever possible. Avoid those office chairs with armrests. If they can be removed, remove them. If not, try to get a simple chair without. Resting your elbows while typing makes you want to slouch and this makes you feel very uncomfortable after a short while. Worst case, you will pinch nerves located between the cervical vertebrae and get both arms completely useless, not mentioning the the excruciating pain. Try to keep your upper body *straight*, and avoid a posture that makes you bend your wrists. Every 10-15 minutes stop typing, look at something else than the screen and move your hands in a circular fashion to keep the blood supply going. Popping noise is "normal", this is the liquid moving around the small bones. I have been using keyboards and computers for over 30 years, starting before the word "ergonomy" was even invented and hardly had any problem, except when I did not pay attention to my posture. Happy typing! Fran?ois Ouellette > >>...so perhaps good posture and proper typing technique also >>makes a difference. >> > > They certainly do. Also keep in mind that musicians have been > keyboarding for centuries. They too are subject to similar injuries, yet > over that time, pianists have evolved techniques to allow them to > practise injury-free 10 or more hours a day for decades! > > (That's an extreme example, and I doubt that anyone but the world's > greats does it, but the point is that it's humanly possible to do.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 18:13:09 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:13:09 -0500 Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201153336.GV31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201153336.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050201181309.GA5555@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 10:33:36AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Readahead too has been a standard feature of Unixoid systems for decades. > > I suspect most drives also implement some read ahead caching using their > onboard cache. I haven't read any actual specs on how the cache on > hardisks is actually managed. Not even sure the drive makers publish > that information. I believe that the most common form of read-ahead done by drives is simply to read an entire track into cache even when the original request was for a smaller amount. Then, if the "next" portion is requested shortly thereafter, the track is still be in the cache and the data can be returned immediately. There may be some drives that get fancier perhaps, but this simple approach, combined with a good readahead policy from the operating system works pretty well. (The OS knows better than the disk drive where the "next" sector of a file is located. The track read works well for nicely clustered file allocations, the OS readahead is needed to keep the disk "on track" when the file jumps to a different series of sequential sectors. That puts a limit on how clever the drive can be about readahead. The one aspect that it can try to be clever is to notice when the cached track has been successfully used and at that point prefetch the subsequent track in hopes that this will continue the sequential operation. However, this could actually slow the disk down - if it is always busy prefetching a track "on spec" when the OS requests data that it really needs, the apparent response time will be worse. That's why you need the OS to do most of the clever pre-fetch scheduling - it can know when the next sector on the disk has nothing to do with the file that is being read and thus when *not* to pre-fetch.) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 17:17:28 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:17:28 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. 1 Message-ID: <20050201171728.EUJZ1796.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> The first meeting, though, was the second Tuesday. The rationale was that anyone attending PHLUG was attending in part due to the distance to TLUG, of which there appeared to be a general consensus that it would be a waste of time to go anyway, citing a "smart-aleck" factor of many of its more vocal attendees. That's how it was explained to me, and don't ask me who did the explaining or if he had any clout :-) Paul King > > From: Dave Stubbs > Date: 2005/02/01 Tue AM 08:36:08 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Next PHLUG meeting (Mississauga) is this Tuesday, Feb. > 1 > > Hmmmmm. > > Last meeting was Jan 4, which was the first Tuesday of January... > > Paul King wrote: > > Yeah, Frank has a point. How did it get moved to the first Tuesday? I am > > horribly busy Feb 1 as well. > > > > Paul King > > > > On 31 Jan 2005 at 19:40, FM (a.k.a. Erebus) wrote: > > > > > >>All: > >> > >>Odds are in favour of me not being there (social commitments). Sorry, I > >>thought it was the 2nd Tuesday of the month and made these darn social > >>plans. Hopefully see y'all at the March Meeting (unless the social > >>commitments fall through and then I'll be there). > >> > >>Frank in Mississauga > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this outgoing message. > >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 1/28/2005 > >> > >> > >>-- > >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >> > >>__________ NOD32 1.989 (20050131) Information __________ > >> > >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>http://www.nod32.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ========================================================= > > Paul King http://alimentarus.net > > "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains > > of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 17:38:42 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:38:42 -0500 Subject: X freezing after updating from 10.0 to 10.1 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201113635.03bc9ea0-9yrvbIq3RigsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050201113635.03bc9ea0@mail.eol.ca> Message-ID: <200502011238.43316.BGarel@clublink.ca> I had a similar problem on the weekend where X froze right up on me...as it turned out DCOP wasn't communicating properly with the various desktop protocols....to make the long story short I tried logging into X as root and it let me in no problem so I just copied ~root/.DCOP* over to my user directory and change the ownership of the files...and I've had no problems since....I'm sure that isn't a very methodical troubleshooting process but it worked for me! :) Brian On Tuesday 01 February 2005 11:38, Bill Mudry wrote: > This past week I worked on updating my Mandrake box from 10.0 to 10.1. > Most of the application programs went well. The change over of the kernel > took a bit more coaching for me from another Linux person but I got it to > work (as far as I can tell). However, on the X system, all I get is a blue > screen. The cursor (a plus sign with white edges) moves around but > there are absolutely NO icons on the screen and no keystrokes work > at all. This is even after running XFdrake (which did seem to do a bunch > of configuring) and checking some things.with mcc at the prompt. > > The only way I got to a prompt has been through booting on Failsafe. Even > another lilo entry of 2.6.3 raced to the blue screen and froze. I have been > able to change it so that it now stops at the command line (whew!) so at > least the machine can take commands. > > > I still am relatively new to Linux and have a long ways to go. Since my > field of specialty is in web work, I cannot work without a proper gui > screen and browser. The system worked just fine under 10.0. What > recommendations do you have? > > Mr. hopeful, > > Bill Mudry > Mississauga, Ontario > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- ELF -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 18:12:05 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:12:05 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> Your email was formatted really badly. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 18:13:23 2005 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (alain maisonneuve) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:13:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <41FFC675.3030006-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> Yeh.. i know.. apologies for that.. cheers, Alain On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 13:12 -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Your email was formatted really badly. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 18:20:51 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:20:51 -0500 Subject: ntpdate working too well question. In-Reply-To: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015f01c50805$6f424580$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41FFC883.4020104@utoronto.ca> What is /etc/localtime set to? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 20:35:38 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:35:38 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> hello folks, This is Simon (from another e-mail address and using Thunderbird since I unsubscribed from my hotmail account because of growing, annoying concerns) , I was attempting to install Fedora on my 2nd hard drive. The problem is I experience problems on doing the automatic partitioning with Fedora. I'm trying to do the automatic partitioning on my Maxtor 30GB Hard drive. I've already created a 15GB VFAT partition which enables me to share files between Windows and in this case, Linux. I also have another 15GB of unallocated space. When I tried to go into the "keep all partitions and use the existing free space" option on my 2nd hard drive or "hdb". I've been presented with an error indicating that I could not allocate the reuqest partitions. This goes as follows: "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none" I also got this error message as well: "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not defined a root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of Fedora Core to continue. This can happen if there is not enough space on your hard drive(s) for the installation. You can choose a different automatic partiton option or click "back" to select manual partitioning." In my opinion, the manual partitioning is a very painful, tedious and meticular (sorry if i misspelled the word) process on establishing Fedora. I've checked the 2nd hard drive for errors and bad sectors, but there are none on my hard drive. I also defragged my hard drive as well. Any suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 20:40:06 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:40:06 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FFE81A.4000906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > This is Simon (from another e-mail address and using Thunderbird since I > unsubscribed from my hotmail account because of growing, annoying > concerns) , I was attempting to install Fedora on my 2nd hard drive. The > problem is I experience problems on doing the automatic partitioning > with Fedora. I'm trying to do the automatic partitioning on my Maxtor > 30GB Hard drive. I've already created a 15GB VFAT partition which > enables me to share files between Windows and in this case, Linux. I > also have another 15GB of unallocated space. When I tried to go into the > "keep all partitions and use the existing free space" option on my 2nd > hard drive or "hdb". I've been presented with an error indicating that I > could not allocate the reuqest partitions. This goes as follows: > > "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none > uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none > device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none > start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none" > > I also got this error message as well: > > "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not > defined a root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of > Fedora Core to continue. This can happen if there is not enough space on > your hard drive(s) for the installation. You can choose a different > automatic partiton option or click "back" to select manual partitioning." > > In my opinion, the manual partitioning is a very painful, tedious and > meticular (sorry if i misspelled the word) process on establishing > Fedora. I've checked the 2nd hard drive for errors and bad sectors, but > there are none on my hard drive. I also defragged my hard drive as well. > Any suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. How hard can even a redhat based system have manged to make creating a / and swap partition manually? Just forget LVM and all that, you don't need it. It only really comes in handy later to expand partitions without having to start over. I know diskdruid that redhat used to use was a nightmare, but booting the install in expert mode just gave you cfdisk, which simply worked and did what you asked it to do. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 20:41:17 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:41:17 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FFE81A.4000906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:35:38 -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none > uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none > device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none > start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none" > > I also got this error message as well: > > "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not > defined a root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of > Fedora Core to continue. This can happen if there is not enough space on > your hard drive(s) for the installation. You can choose a different > automatic partiton option or click "back" to select manual partitioning." Looks like you have the answer staring you in the face. Your new partition has a mountpoint of "none". You need to at least have something for /. See if you can adjust the mount point for that partition to / and you should have better luck. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 20:57:53 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:57:53 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050201204006.GW31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > > > >How hard can even a redhat based system have manged to make creating a / >and swap partition manually? Just forget LVM and all that, you don't >need it. It only really comes in handy later to expand partitions >without having to start over. I know diskdruid that redhat used to use >was a nightmare, but booting the install in expert mode just gave you >cfdisk, which simply worked and did what you asked it to do. > > > > > Does this mean, I have to completely remove all my partitions off my system and therefore is it possible create a VFAT partition in Linux? Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 21:00:39 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Bulk] Re:partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FFED51.3070901-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 03:57:53PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > Does this mean, I have to completely remove all my partitions off my > system and therefore is it possible create a VFAT partition in Linux? It better not mean that. I just think perhaps booting the redhat installer in expert mode might make some of the idiotic helper tools go away and let you just do the install with normal partitions rather than LVM slices. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 21:37:08 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:37:08 -0500 Subject: obtuse sigcontext.h error Message-ID: <20050201213511.4334E6017@outbox.allstream.net> http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/09/msg00078.html I've been trying to compile ctree sources under Knoppix 3.7 and I've encountered the above compile error. Does anyone have a better explaination for what is going on and what the "proper" fix should be? Thanks. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 21:47:58 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:47:58 -0500 Subject: obtuse sigcontext.h error In-Reply-To: <20050201213511.4334E6017-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050201213511.4334E6017@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <20050201214758.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 04:37:08PM -0500, bob wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2004/09/msg00078.html > > I've been trying to compile ctree sources under Knoppix 3.7 and I've > encountered the above compile error. > > Does anyone have a better explaination for what is going on and what the > "proper" fix should be? > > Thanks. Have you ever touched /usr/include/linux or /usr/include/asm? What does ls -ld say about those? They should be directories. In the past people had them symlinked to their current kernel source, but you don't do that with anymore when using glibc 2.x. What gcc command line did you use that produced the message? On Debian sarge it compiles perfectly here. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 21:56:07 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OT?vsftpd In-Reply-To: <1107118644.4629.18.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1107118644.4629.18.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20050130235833.W49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > TSX (PDP11) started in the 70's. I made the connection tsx-11.mit.edu of course :) That was one of the first great repositories of Linux software (along with sunsite.unc.edu). > TSX32 (80386+ platforms) started in the 80's. > I've been closely involved with it for over 25 years. I'd be tickled > pink to tell you more about it. I'd be interested to hear. Unixes often have an interest in alternative OSes. HUMBUG (http://www.humbug.org.au) even accepts "non maintream OSes" in its constitution. > It would certainly be terrific if TSX (which can't do a secure-anything) > could, with the help of a Linux intermediary, end up doing a secure copy > (scp/ssh/sftp). But I don't yet see how. The main thing is to have it secure before it leaves the network of course. > Presumably, "A" is TSX running an ftp client and "B" is Linux running > the vsftpd server to which TSX connects. I don't see how you can wedge > the functionality of "have it (ie: machine B) transfer a file" inside > the vsftpd server. I had a play around but I couldn't remember how to do this. In any case firewalls play havoc with active (aka non-passive) connections :( Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 00:03:55 2005 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:03:55 -0500 Subject: OT: TSX In-Reply-To: <20050130235833.W49375-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <1107118644.4629.18.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <20050130235833.W49375@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <1107302635.10955.42.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Alan Cohen wrote: > > TSX (PDP11) started in the 70's. > > TSX32 (80386+ platforms) started in the 80's. > > I've been closely involved with it for over 25 years. I'd be tickled > > pink to tell you more about it. On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 16:56, Robert Brockway wrote: > I made the connection tsx-11.mit.edu of course :) That was one of the > first great repositories of Linux software (along with sunsite.unc.edu). > I'd be interested to hear. Unixes often have an interest in alternative > OSes. HUMBUG (http://www.humbug.org.au) even accepts "non maintream > OSes" in its constitution. 1970's ------ In the 70's, DEC's PDP-11 had a single user, real time OS called RT-11. They also had multi-user OS's: RSX-11 (and also RSTS/E) A lot of people craved for RT-11 functionality in a multi-user environment, so S&H of Nashville, Tennessee wrote TSX-11. You booted up RT-11 and then ran a program called TSX.SAV and lo and behold, you were running TSX. In terms of commercial programming languages, DEC had DIBOL, it's version of COBOL. (It was far less of a memory hog than COBOL, and memory was terribly expensive.) DISC of Sacremento, California wrote a version of DIBOL called DBL that ran under TSX. 1980's ------ In the early 80's, DEC was phasing out its PDP11 mini-computer in favour of the VAX which ran VMS. At the same time, 80x86 micro-computers were coming on stream. S&H sent out a letter: "Do you think we should port TSX to the VAX or to these new-fangled 80x86 machines?" The overwhelming response was "forget VAX" and so TSX32 was borne. It ran on 80386+ machines. In similar fashion to the way you booted up RT-11 and then ran TSX-11, here you booted up MSDOS and then ran TSX32.EXE DISC (now called Synergex) ported DBL to TSX32 and to VMS and later to MSDOS, Windows, Unix and to Linux. (DBL is now called Synergy.) P.S. In the 1980's, there was no question in my mind: TSX32 ran rings around XENIX. But that was then. Times have changed. -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 00:51:37 2005 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:51:37 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860@mail.gmail.com> Any intention of sharing your asking prices??? On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:13:23 -0500, alain maisonneuve wrote: > Yeh.. i know.. apologies for that.. > > cheers, > Alain > On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 13:12 -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > Your email was formatted really badly. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 01:16:05 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:16:05 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050201210039.GX31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >I just think perhaps booting the redhat installer in expert mode might >make some of the idiotic helper tools go away and let you just do the >install with normal partitions rather than LVM slices. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- > > First of all, how do I be able to boot the redhat installer into expert mode? I don't see an option stating this in my boot CD, so I have to find other means on getting into expert mode and therefore if all else fails, I would have to remove all partitions off my hard drive and start with a normal installation. I may have to find a way on how to create a VFAT partition in Linux. Any advice? Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 01:54:17 2005 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (alain maisonneuve) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:54:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107309257.24134.3.camel@localhost> I have actually been replying to people off the list :) in consideration for others and their bandwidth. As for the price, asking $2000 for the Dell's and $1500 for the F5's.. Anyone interested? theses things are slick and are in perfect condition they operated in a data centre so no dust and perfect temperatures. cheers, Alain On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 19:51 -0500, Aaron Vegh wrote: > Any intention of sharing your asking prices??? > > > On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 13:13:23 -0500, alain maisonneuve > wrote: > > Yeh.. i know.. apologies for that.. > > > > cheers, > > Alain > > On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 13:12 -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > > Your email was formatted really badly. > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 02:11:02 2005 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:11:02 -0500 Subject: Paul Mora's NewTLUG Presentation In-Reply-To: <41F7FEE5.4070401-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41F7FEE5.4070401@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:34:45 -0500, John M. Moniz wrote: > I'd like to thank you for your excellent presentation last night at > NewTLUG. It's a pleasure to have a presenter who knows the subject so > comfortably well and also be able to present it in such a clear and > concise manner - a real treat. On the way out, I heard several people > comment about the professional quality of your talk. Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the talk. It was nice to see so many people brave the elements and come out to NewTLUG. I mentioned in my talk that I would share some reference material on LVM and RAID, here they are; sorry it took me so long to get these posted. LVM: SuSE has a great paper on LVM on their website. The content is a bit dated with respect to the screenshots and some of the commands (it applies to SuSE 7.2 and 8.0), but very little has changed, and most of what they say will work with the latest distributions (except the YaST stuff, that's specific to SuSE). Software RAID: The best info I've found is the HOWTOs from the Linux Documentation Project. Also, if you Google for software RAID and grub, you'll find some HOWTOs that people have posted that describe how to get RAID working on your OS partitions. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 03:30:30 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:30:30 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42004956.3010609@rogers.com> Aaron Vegh wrote: > Any intention of sharing your asking prices??? You can't afford them, if you have to ask. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 1 17:25:13 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:25:13 +0200 (IST) Subject: Shared Memory In-Reply-To: <20050201140911.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050131205510.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050201140911.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 11:43:39AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> I thought ncq was beneficial on scsi because several devices share the >> bus. On sata there is only one per bus. How would they benefit from ncq >> ? > > No the idea is to issue multiple commands to each device in a queue and > letting the device schedule which order to serve them in based on where > it's head is and which order will get all the data the fastest. Old > scsi disks might only have had an 8 command queue, while many newer > drives have 256 command queues. Thanks, Is this not what is known as 'multi session' access ? I am familiar with the concept. I am also under the impression that the OS does some command sheduling based on its knowledge of the disk geometry (like cylinder striping and grouping) and the drive's own ideas about this optimisation may collide with it. No ? thank you, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 15:44:08 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:44:08 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <420029D5.20505-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:16:05PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > First of all, how do I be able to boot the redhat installer into expert > mode? I don't see an option stating this in my boot CD, so I have to > find other means on getting into expert mode and therefore if all else > fails, I would have to remove all partitions off my hard drive and start > with a normal installation. I may have to find a way on how to create a > VFAT partition in Linux. Any advice? Well it used to be that at the boot prompt of the CD you could type in 'expert' or something like that, and you would get the text installer instead of a graphical one and it wouldn't try to tell you how to do things. Of course that was years ago, back around redhat 6 (and older). that's when the package quality got sufficiently bad that I stopped using it, so I have no idea if they still have such an option. Creating more partitions after installing should be easy, assuming the installer doesn't eat the whole disk for it's own partitions, by simply using cfdisk to create a new partition, of the apropriate type for fat32 and then using mkdosfs -F 32 on the new partition (probably after a reboot to reread the partition table after using fdisk) to format it as vfat32. Then you add it to fstab and mount it. I still find it hard to believe there is no installer option for 'manual partitioning'. That would make it almost as bad as the Corel Linux installer which would die with no option to help it if it didn't identify all the hardware automatically. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 19:04:20 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:04:20 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050202154407.GZ31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I always go through the installer untill partition time. ctrl-alt-F2 mknod /dev/hdN or mknod /dev/sdN where n is appropiate. fdisk /dev/hda create my partitions as I like. Then, ALT-F1 or ALT-F7 and set the mount points as appropriate usingthe "expert" partitioning option. -Joseph- On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:44:08 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:16:05PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > > First of all, how do I be able to boot the redhat installer into expert > > mode? I don't see an option stating this in my boot CD, so I have to > > find other means on getting into expert mode and therefore if all else > > fails, I would have to remove all partitions off my hard drive and start > > with a normal installation. I may have to find a way on how to create a > > VFAT partition in Linux. Any advice? > > Well it used to be that at the boot prompt of the CD you could type in > 'expert' or something like that, and you would get the text installer > instead of a graphical one and it wouldn't try to tell you how to do > things. Of course that was years ago, back around redhat 6 (and older). > that's when the package quality got sufficiently bad that I stopped > using it, so I have no idea if they still have such an option. > > Creating more partitions after installing should be easy, assuming the > installer doesn't eat the whole disk for it's own partitions, by simply > using cfdisk to create a new partition, of the apropriate type for fat32 > and then using mkdosfs -F 32 on the new partition (probably after a > reboot to reread the partition table after using fdisk) to format it as > vfat32. Then you add it to fstab and mount it. > > I still find it hard to believe there is no installer option for 'manual > partitioning'. That would make it almost as bad as the Corel Linux > installer which would die with no option to help it if it didn't > identify all the hardware automatically. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 20:18:38 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:18:38 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> Joseph Kubik wrote: >I always go through the installer untill partition time. >ctrl-alt-F2 >mknod /dev/hdN or mknod /dev/sdN where n is appropiate. >fdisk /dev/hda >create my partitions as I like. > >Then, ALT-F1 or ALT-F7 and set the mount points as appropriate >usingthe "expert" partitioning option. > >-Joseph- > > > Another friend of mine told me - from a message board, that I have to create the linux partitions manually, when I'm in the partitioning phase.This is what I want Linux to have on my 13.42GB worth of unallocated space: /dev/hdb1 - boot: (don't know, please specify reconmended amount) /dev/hdb2 - root: 12.91GB /dev/hdb3 - swap: 512MB I've already created a 14.52GB to share files between the two operating systems such as Windows XP Pro and Fedora Core 3 Linux. The problem is, where and how can I create those partitions when I'm in the manual installation phase of my installation? If you have any questions, comments and/or suggestions, please do not hesistate to do so. Thank you. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 2 21:01:31 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:01:31 -0500 Subject: (Looking for) Windows NT Terminal Server Message-ID: <20050202210131.GA2835@node1.opengeometry.net> If you have Windows NT Terminal Server (just the software) that you are not using, I'll buy it from you. As you know, I'm working on thin-client for Linux and Windows, booting off USB key drive. Linux thin-client is complete. I need to test RDP client for Windows. For that, I need access to "server" which is one of the following: - Windows NT Terminal Server - Windows XP Pro (Remote Desktop) - Windows 2000 Server (Terminal Services) - Windows 2003 Server (Terminal Services) Since NT is being de-commissioned by Microsoft, hopefully one of you will have an orphaned copy. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 14:19:45 2005 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:19:45 -0500 Subject: [SUMMARY]: RSI/CTS injuries Message-ID: <20050203141945.GA3654@antec> I posted queries about repetitive stress injury / carpal tunnel syndrome (RSI/CTS) to user groups in Columbus OH and Toronto ON, and received many replies both on-list and off-list. Here are the results. [1] There was deep skepticism about the need for surgery as a remedy, and some question about its value as well. Certainly surgery is at best a last resort -- but not a very good one. In any event, it's a serious enough matter to get more than one medical opinion. [2] There was widespread consensus that RSI/CTS complaints of the sort I'd described are skeletomuscular in origin. Again, widespread agreement that the single most likely cause has to do with posture in the first instance, and poor hand positioning (for typing) in the next instance. [3] The best cure -- at least, as soon as the immediate pain passes -- is to improve one's posture (usually by exercise and re-examining chairs and desk height and so on), and to adopt specific arm/wrist exercises as well. Several people mentioned yoga as an effective practice that would help. Naturally, proper touch-typing style is a necessity. Redesigning workspace to have the keyboard at the proper height (wrists straight and usually not resting on anything) was also a necessity. [4] The best place to get advice about these matters is either a physical therapist specializing in arm injuries, or, better, a sports medicine clinic. For the latter, well, they see injuries involving tendons and ligaments all the time, and have a practical and direct way of dealing with them. One respondent was a pianist and mentioned warmup exercises learned for piano playing that help, too. [5] There is no quick fix or quick cure; the problem itself indicates a long pattern of bodily misuse, and it will take months of exercise therapy to begin to undo the damage. [6] Some people suggested changes in equipment: "ergonomic" devices of all kinds, though there was no consensus. The most frequently mentioned ideas were for knee-tilter (backless) desk chairs, which more or less force good posture; so-called "natural" keyboards, with Microsoft and Logitech the most commonly-mentioned brands; and stationary "inverted trackball" mice to cure "mouse elbow" problems. For the most part these were taken as adjuncts of the exercises and remedies described in [3]-[5], not alternatives to them. The most surprising thing to me was the amount of agreement about the sources and the remedies for RSI/CTS, not something I had expected from reading the medical literature on the subject. Thank you, one and all. The volume of intelligent, well-informed, helpful, and sympathetic replies was a delight to see, and a comfort as well. A pleasure to be (electronically) associated with such people. Thanks! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 15:52:24 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:52:24 -0500 Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <42004956.3010609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860@mail.gmail.com> <42004956.3010609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <420248B8.5050106@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Given their spec's, I guess they might find a market with a hobbyist who is looking at leasing couple of U at one of the local datacenters. Peer1 for example, leases 1/8 cabinets at their 1 Yonge St. location IIRC. Not a bad datacenter either, although their physical security was lacking when I checked it out about 3 years ago. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A James Knott wrote: | Aaron Vegh wrote: | |> Any intention of sharing your asking prices??? | | | You can't afford them, if you have to ask. ;-) | -- | The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org | TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns | How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCAki3gfzn5SevSpoRAp5iAKCZ5QKbxwwOYH+c3iGAhDrbH4jaLQCdH2kU T5XXvEvCobjgpTmKJS44QiA= =RbG9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 16:09:58 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? Message-ID: Hi, I've got a spare computer that I want to install either linux or BSD onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just to play around with (still learning linux). I think this is a good way to learn. I grew up with a lot DOS and I really love the BASH shell, so I am not afraid of any of that! :-) So my question is for suggestion of either Linux or BSD distros to install on that small of a drive. I'd like to have X installed, but not really necessary I suppose (and definitely not Gnome or KDE). I have O'Reilly's Linux in a Nutshell reference book (and TLUG) so hopefully I can learn to swim in the deep end. I've got a bit of Linux knowledge, but only enough to get me by with installing something easy like Fedora, or Live CDs like Knoppix. Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to connect my ethernet card from this computer to my windows box to share/access files there. Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two computers directly? Sorry if this is a basic question for some people here! Even if someone can point me to a site or document that can help me with networking using linux/bsd/windows. Thanks for any help and suggestions as always. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 16:20:44 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:20:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Steve wrote: > ...Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's > got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just > to play around with (still learning linux)... One disadvantage of playing with Linux on a small disk is that you won't be able to fit a lot of the nicer toys. :-) You can certainly put a workable Linux environment on a disk that size, but it will definitely be rather stripped-down. > So my question is for suggestion of either Linux or BSD distros to > install on that small of a drive... I've done Red Hat installs (although with now-obsolete versions) on disks that small, but it did take careful selection of the packages to install, and it might be easier to use a distribution that's built small to begin with. (I have no specific recommendations on that.) > Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to connect my ethernet > card from this computer to my windows box to share/access files there. > Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two computers > directly? You can connect two machines (with Ethernet ports) together directly with an Ethernet "crossover" cable; any computer store will have those. This doesn't generalize to more than two, however -- as soon as you add a third, you need a hub/switch/router and "straight-through" cables to connect the machines to it. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 16:25:36 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:25:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050203162536.13559.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Steve wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a spare computer that I want to install > either linux or BSD > onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard > drive (but it's > got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a > light-weight distro just > to play around with (still learning linux). I think > this is a good way > to learn. I grew up with a lot DOS and I really love > the BASH shell, > so I am not afraid of any of that! :-) > > So my question is for suggestion of either Linux or > BSD distros to > install on that small of a drive. I'd like to have X > installed, but > not really necessary I suppose (and definitely not > Gnome or KDE). I > have O'Reilly's Linux in a Nutshell reference book > (and TLUG) so > hopefully I can learn to swim in the deep end. I've > got a bit of Linux > knowledge, but only enough to get me by with > installing something easy > like Fedora, or Live CDs like Knoppix. Asking about distribution choices is like asking about religion, it will generate a lot of friction but it may not generate a lot of light. So, with that in mind I would suggest Debian (Woody), it's install package is ugly, and more complex than it ought to be but it can be tailored down to very modest amounts of space and it will teach you a lot. > Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to > connect my ethernet > card from this computer to my windows box to > share/access files there. > Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two > computers > directly? Sorry if this is a basic question for some > people here! Even > if someone can point me to a site or document that > can help me with > networking using linux/bsd/windows. Yes you can connect two machines directly, what you will need is an ethernet cross-over cable (depending on length should be under $10 at most PC clone shops). For sharing files you will need to look into software, at the low (easy end) have a ftp, somewhat more complex have a look at Samba (both ftp and Samba are GPL'ed free software included with most Linux distributions). If you want to connect more than two machines together you will need a hub or a switch (hubs have no smarts to route packets, thus hubs normally have lower performace, but are also normally cheaper than switches). Depending on the number ports you can get a basic hub for under $20... > Thanks for any help and suggestions as always. > > -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 16:38:49 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:38:49 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 11:09:58 -0500, Steve wrote: > I've got a spare computer that I want to install either linux or BSD > onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's > got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just > to play around with (still learning linux). I think this is a good way > to learn. I grew up with a lot DOS and I really love the BASH shell, > so I am not afraid of any of that! :-) I've heard that Debian is pretty good about keeping it small, if you ask it to keep things small. I find aptitude to be a most useful tool for keeping track of what's installed, and what other packages must be installed as dependencies. I can also recommend NetBSD (any of the BSDs, really). Unlike Linux which is simply a kernel, the BSDs comprise a kernel and basic userland. If you avoid Gnome and KDE and the like, you can easily fit a bunch of good tools plus X and a desktop environment (XFCE? Fluxbox?) onto a 540MB HD. I had a very useful setup in around 300MB a couple of years ago. Now, that was FreeBSD 3.3, but last time I checked the BSDs didn't bloat all that much. The base NetBSD 2.0 ISO for i386 clocks in at 170MB. You don't have to install all of that either (the games are optional, the compiler is optional, etc). If you want more software packages, you'll have to look to the ports collection (called pkgsrc on NetBSD). It works somewhat like Portage on Gentoo Linux (Gentoo was based on the BSD ports style, afaik). http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/software/packages.html Have fun with whatever you choose! > Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to connect my ethernet > card from this computer to my windows box to share/access files there. > Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two computers > directly? Sorry if this is a basic question for some people here! Even > if someone can point me to a site or document that can help me with > networking using linux/bsd/windows. I echo Henry's commentary on this, though I feel obliged to add my own rand and question why any company makes non-autosensing ethernet ports any more. All Apple ethernet ports made in the past 5 years (at least) are autosensing, and it's glorious to never have to worry if it's the right kind of ethernet cable, no matter what I want to connect to. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:02:25 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Taavi Burns wrote: > [crossover cables] > I echo Henry's commentary on this, though I feel obliged to add my own > rant and question why any company makes non-autosensing ethernet > ports any more... Given that there are still some ports around that care, alas, an addendum to my previous comments: For the sake of your future sanity, color-code. You can usually get some choice of cable colors if you shop around a bit. Buy crossover cables only in orange or red (e.g., Above All Electronics, Bloor a block west of Bathurst, has them in orange). Never ever buy straight-through cables in either of those colors. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:02:15 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:02:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OT: Servers for sale In-Reply-To: <420248B8.5050106-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <1107215483.16593.17.camel@localhost> <41FFC675.3030006@utoronto.ca> <1107281604.16593.61.camel@localhost> <4386c5b205020116512ebc7860@mail.gmail.com> <42004956.3010609@rogers.com> <420248B8.5050106@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20050203164802.N89741@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Andrew Hammond wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Given their spec's, I guess they might find a market with a hobbyist who > is looking at leasing couple of U at one of the local datacenters. > Peer1 for example, leases 1/8 cabinets at their 1 Yonge St. location > IIRC. Not a bad datacenter either, although their physical security was > lacking when I checked it out about 3 years ago. One option for getting into Peer1 if you don't want to lease 1/8 of a cabinet is TCCP (http://www.tccp.ca) - a not-for-profit community colo project. Although we have been legally sheltering TCCP while it is being incorporated, OpenTrend Solutions gets no profits from TCCP. My only reason for mentioning it here is because I think it is a great community oriented effort. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:07:24 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:07:24 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <4201359E.4010704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 03:18:38PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > Another friend of mine told me - from a message board, that I have to > create the linux partitions manually, when I'm in the partitioning > phase.This is what I want Linux to have on my 13.42GB worth of > unallocated space: > > /dev/hdb1 - boot: (don't know, please specify reconmended amount) > /dev/hdb2 - root: 12.91GB > /dev/hdb3 - swap: 512MB There is no need for a seperate /boot on any modern PC. Only back when there was trouble with 512, 2G or 8G drives did you really need one when using a drive larger than that. Any machine built in the last 5 years should certainly work fine without it (heck my 1992 486 with a 95 BIOS works with drives up to 137G without a /boot) Just / and swap is fine. > I've already created a 14.52GB to share files between the two operating > systems such as Windows XP Pro and Fedora Core 3 Linux. The problem is, > where and how can I create those partitions when I'm in the manual > installation phase of my installation? > > If you have any questions, comments and/or suggestions, please do not > hesistate to do so. Thank you. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:06:43 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:06:43 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42025A23.1060701@utoronto.ca> You may want to use sarge (Debian Unstable), there is a torrent for all the CD images. I guess I would burn the first CD and install the rest off of the net. York University has a Debian Mirror. Sarge uses linux 2.6 and 2.6 has better support for ISA pnp. My ISA Creative soundcard just gets configured automatically now. Sarge also has tools for partitioning ntfs partitions. As for live cds I don't think you will find one that doesn't use either KDE or GNOME. A less resource intensive desktop environment is Xfce (www.Xfce.org). Oh! A Xfce 4.2 based Linux-Live CD! I was WRONG!. Regards, Ivan Avery Frey. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:08:28 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:08:28 -0500 Subject: (Looking for) Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20050202210131.GA2835-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050202210131.GA2835@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050203170828.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 04:01:31PM -0500, William Park wrote: > If you have Windows NT Terminal Server (just the software) that you are > not using, I'll buy it from you. > > As you know, I'm working on thin-client for Linux and Windows, booting > off USB key drive. Linux thin-client is complete. I need to test RDP > client for Windows. For that, I need access to "server" which is one of > the following: > - Windows NT Terminal Server > - Windows XP Pro (Remote Desktop) > - Windows 2000 Server (Terminal Services) > - Windows 2003 Server (Terminal Services) > > Since NT is being de-commissioned by Microsoft, hopefully one of you > will have an orphaned copy. :-) But if someone upgrades from NT terminal server to a newer one, the upgrade makes their old license defunct, and they aren't allowed to sell it or give it away. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:11:32 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:11:32 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050203170724.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 03:18:38PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > >>Another friend of mine told me - from a message board, that I have to >>create the linux partitions manually, when I'm in the partitioning >>phase.This is what I want Linux to have on my 13.42GB worth of >>unallocated space: >> >>/dev/hdb1 - boot: (don't know, please specify reconmended amount) >>/dev/hdb2 - root: 12.91GB >>/dev/hdb3 - swap: 512MB > > > There is no need for a seperate /boot on any modern PC. Only back when > there was trouble with 512, 2G or 8G drives did you really need one when > using a drive larger than that. Any machine built in the last 5 years > should certainly work fine without it (heck my 1992 486 with a 95 BIOS > works with drives up to 137G without a /boot) > > Just / and swap is fine. Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your data or settings. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:14:06 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:14:06 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050203171406.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:02:25PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > Given that there are still some ports around that care, alas, an addendum > to my previous comments: > > For the sake of your future sanity, color-code. You can usually get some > choice of cable colors if you shop around a bit. Buy crossover cables > only in orange or red (e.g., Above All Electronics, Bloor a block west of > Bathurst, has them in orange). Never ever buy straight-through cables in > either of those colors. I am used to crossover cables being yellow. At least that is what I have seen most. That or light grey, but yellow is more noticable. Of course gig ethernet doesn't use crossover cables (it doesn't need them, and don't work with them). Many new switches can auto cross over (for 10/100, for a gig switch it again has no valid meaning as a concept). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:16:56 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:16:56 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <20050203170947.GA3433-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050203170947.GA3433@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050203171656.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:09:47PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Slackware. Honestly, if you're starting out on Linux, then get a > harddisk to do a full install. You can trimming it down to 512MB, but > how would you know which packages to include and exclude, if you never > tried them? You read the nice descriptions in aptitude or apt-cache show packagename. it is very simple. A whole lot simpler to upgrade and maintain too. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:09:47 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:09:47 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050203170947.GA3433@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a spare computer that I want to install either linux or BSD > onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's > got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just > to play around with (still learning linux). I think this is a good way > to learn. I grew up with a lot DOS and I really love the BASH shell, > so I am not afraid of any of that! :-) Slackware. Honestly, if you're starting out on Linux, then get a harddisk to do a full install. You can trimming it down to 512MB, but how would you know which packages to include and exclude, if you never tried them? > > So my question is for suggestion of either Linux or BSD distros to > install on that small of a drive. I'd like to have X installed, but > not really necessary I suppose (and definitely not Gnome or KDE). I > have O'Reilly's Linux in a Nutshell reference book (and TLUG) so > hopefully I can learn to swim in the deep end. I've got a bit of Linux > knowledge, but only enough to get me by with installing something easy > like Fedora, or Live CDs like Knoppix. > > Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to connect my ethernet > card from this computer to my windows box to share/access files there. > Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two computers > directly? Sorry if this is a basic question for some people here! Even > if someone can point me to a site or document that can help me with > networking using linux/bsd/windows. It's called "crossover", as opposed to "patch" cable. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:09:08 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:09:08 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:02:25 -0500 (EST), Henry Spencer wrote: > For the sake of your future sanity, color-code. You can usually get some > choice of cable colors if you shop around a bit. Buy crossover cables > only in orange or red (e.g., Above All Electronics, Bloor a block west of > Bathurst, has them in orange). Never ever buy straight-through cables in > either of those colors. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org That is great advice. Careful planning makes the future simpler, and therefore better. :-) Thanks for the suggestions. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:20:43 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <20050203171519.GD31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42025A23.1060701@utoronto.ca> <20050203171519.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <42025D6B.8010002@utoronto.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > I find jigdo even faster and more reliable for getting debian cd/dvd > images. And if your internet connection is decent, the netinstall cd > makes more sense, just downloading the packets you want from the > internet during install. > > I'm using Mac OS X, I may have to compile jigdo to get it to work here. Point taken though. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:15:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:15:19 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <42025A23.1060701-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <42025A23.1060701@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050203171519.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:06:43PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > You may want to use sarge (Debian Unstable), there is a torrent for all > the CD images. I guess I would burn the first CD and install the rest > off of the net. York University has a Debian Mirror. I find jigdo even faster and more reliable for getting debian cd/dvd images. And if your internet connection is decent, the netinstall cd makes more sense, just downloading the packets you want from the internet during install. > Sarge uses linux 2.6 and 2.6 has better support for ISA pnp. My ISA > Creative soundcard just gets configured automatically now. > > Sarge also has tools for partitioning ntfs partitions. As for live cds I > don't think you will find one that doesn't use either KDE or GNOME. > > A less resource intensive desktop environment is Xfce (www.Xfce.org). > Oh! A Xfce 4.2 based Linux-Live CD! I was WRONG!. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:24:10 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:24:10 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <42025D6B.8010002-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <42025A23.1060701@utoronto.ca> <20050203171519.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025D6B.8010002@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050203172410.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:20:43PM -0500, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > >I find jigdo even faster and more reliable for getting debian cd/dvd > >images. And if your internet connection is decent, the netinstall cd > >makes more sense, just downloading the packets you want from the > >internet during install. > > I'm using Mac OS X, I may have to compile jigdo to get it to work here. > Point taken though. Well jigdo-lite (as used from linux) is a perl script. Should be fairly easy to make that run. The GUI jigdo is windows only (and doesn't work as nicely in my opinion). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:25:44 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:25:44 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <42025B44.1010607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050203172544.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:11:32PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your > data or settings. How? I know slackware in the past required reinstalling / and /usr to do an "upgrade", but with things like debian and redhat, and upgrade is just an upgrade and nothing in the installer during an upgrade should change /home. More partitions just means more places for partitions to be full while other partitions have lots of free space. Not a good idea for new users (or even experienced ones in many cases). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:27:16 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:27:16 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FFE81A.4000906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <42025EF4.5080003@utoronto.ca> Are you absolutely sure that the free space you're talking about is marked as such in the partition table? I would need to look at the partition table. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:51:35 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:51:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <20050203170947.GA3433-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050203170947.GA3433@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050203175135.35443.qmail@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would also recommend Arch www.archlinux.org . It's a single base iso to install just the OS core so it's small to begin with. It's not newbie centric in nature, but has a good user base/forums and the install doc is pretty straight forward. Any software you want to install on top of that is done easily with pacman the package manager which also does dependency checking. One thing to note is that this is an i686 optimized distro. Dan William Park wrote: On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Steve wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a spare computer that I want to install either linux or BSD > onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's > got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just > to play around with (still learning linux). I think this is a good way > to learn. I grew up with a lot DOS and I really love the BASH shell, > so I am not afraid of any of that! :-) Slackware. Honestly, if you're starting out on Linux, then get a harddisk to do a full install. You can trimming it down to 512MB, but how would you know which packages to include and exclude, if you never tried them? > > So my question is for suggestion of either Linux or BSD distros to > install on that small of a drive. I'd like to have X installed, but > not really necessary I suppose (and definitely not Gnome or KDE). I > have O'Reilly's Linux in a Nutshell reference book (and TLUG) so > hopefully I can learn to swim in the deep end. I've got a bit of Linux > knowledge, but only enough to get me by with installing something easy > like Fedora, or Live CDs like Knoppix. > > Part 2 of my question is that I want to be able to connect my ethernet > card from this computer to my windows box to share/access files there. > Do I need a router, or is there a way to connect two computers > directly? Sorry if this is a basic question for some people here! Even > if someone can point me to a site or document that can help me with > networking using linux/bsd/windows. It's called "crossover", as opposed to "patch" cable. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 17:53:01 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:53:01 -0500 Subject: (Looking for) Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20050203170828.GB31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050202210131.GA2835@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050203170828.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050203175301.GA3535@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:08:28PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 04:01:31PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > If you have Windows NT Terminal Server (just the software) that you are > > not using, I'll buy it from you. > > > > As you know, I'm working on thin-client for Linux and Windows, booting > > off USB key drive. Linux thin-client is complete. I need to test RDP > > client for Windows. For that, I need access to "server" which is one of > > the following: > > - Windows NT Terminal Server > > - Windows XP Pro (Remote Desktop) > > - Windows 2000 Server (Terminal Services) > > - Windows 2003 Server (Terminal Services) > > > > Since NT is being de-commissioned by Microsoft, hopefully one of you > > will have an orphaned copy. :-) > > But if someone upgrades from NT terminal server to a newer one, the > upgrade makes their old license defunct, and they aren't allowed to > sell it or give it away. :) If I can't find a cheap NT Terminal Sever, then I'll go buy XP Pro retail. :-) But, that begs question... if you have a CD (which you own legally), can't you not sell it, irrespective of the content of that CD? If you pirated the content, then there might be a problem. But, if you purchased the content legitimately, then why is there restriction? I'm not talking about getting support from Microsoft, just like you don't care about getting warrenty support from GM when you buy a used car. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 18:13:47 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:13:47 -0500 Subject: (Looking for) Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <20050203175301.GA3535-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050202210131.GA2835@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050203170828.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050203175301.GA3535@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050203181346.GA27011@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:53:01PM -0500, William Park wrote: >But, that begs question... if you have a CD (which you own legally), >can't you not sell it, irrespective of the content of that CD? If you >pirated the content, then there might be a problem. But, if you >purchased the content legitimately, then why is there restriction? There is a restriction because the only thing you own is the media - the CD itself. The End User License Agreement (EULA) usually states that you are *licensed* to use the software included on the media you purchased, but that you cannot alter/transfer/copy/misuse/upgrade that software without the express written permission of the software publisher. This is why people like RMS go postal and spend decades trying to make the world a better place. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From the Windows XP EULA http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/eula.mspx -snip- 4. TRANSFER?Internal. You may move the Product to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Product from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Product may make a one-time transfer of the Product to another end user. The transfer has to include all component parts, media, printed materials, this EULA, and if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA terms. No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide commercial hosting services to third parties with the Product. -snip- -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 18:35:03 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:35:03 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42026ED7.7030509@sympatico.ca> Steve wrote: >Hi, > >I've got a spare computer that I want to install either linux or BSD >onto. Thing is it only has 540MB (yes, 1/2 Gig) hard drive (but it's >got 192MB RAM thankfully). I basically want a light-weight distro just >to play around with (still learning linux). > Damn Small Linux ! http://damnsmalllinux.org/ small (<50 meg) live CD with options for HD install. run from CD, HD, USB, ethernet. based on knoppix/debian, comes with good (small) application environment, a repository of one-click-install apps and, of course, apt-get anything else you want. It rocks ! or SLAX slackware based live CD that can be installed to CD. 10 x larger than DSL, but hey, it'll fit ! barely.. http://slax.linux-live.org/doc_install.php#inst2disk djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 18:49:57 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:49:57 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <42025B44.1010607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> Message-ID: <42027255.7070302@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > > Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your > data or settings. > How much diskspace should I need to create the /home partition? Is it difficult to do? What is the reconmended amount on creating a home partition? As for my partition table, it goes as follows: 1st hard drive: /dev/hda1: NTFS 120GB 2nd hard drive: VFAT partition: 13.42GB (I don't know what the /dev/ part is, sorry.) /dev/hdb1 - root: 12.91GB /dev/hdb2 - swap: 512MB Hope this helps. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 18:58:15 2005 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:58:15 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: <42026ED7.7030509-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <42026ED7.7030509@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:35:03 -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Damn Small Linux ! > http://damnsmalllinux.org/ > small (<50 meg) live CD with options for HD install. > run from CD, HD, USB, ethernet. > based on knoppix/debian, comes with good (small) application > environment, a repository of one-click-install apps and, of course, > apt-get anything else you want. It rocks ! > > or > > SLAX > slackware based live CD that can be installed to CD. > 10 x larger than DSL, but hey, it'll fit ! barely.. > http://slax.linux-live.org/doc_install.php#inst2disk > > djp That's funny... I actually DO have Slax installed there right now! And installing DSL does sound interesting. I like that distro. And I guess like you said, I can then customize a bit and install things I want. -Steve. -- Mozilla Firefox -rediscover the web- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 19:22:17 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:22:17 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? Message-ID: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> If you have been following the continuing saga of linuxcaffe, you might have wondered "what the heck is going on ?". The website hasn't changed, the storefront is still just green, the "linuxcaffe" TLUG posts have subsided, have I given up yet ? NO WAY ! I'm just head-down reno guy, working on the physical space, that's all ! I found the TikiWiki tweaking was cutting into my reno time, so (as it was really a stand-in, anyways) I'm devoting full time to operation "opening-soon". So what's new ? core admin team/ website developers established bathroom plumbing paint retail displays lighting grid lights in the grid rewire everything LOBOS shelves server hardware POS hardware phone line (416-534-2116) more paint ventilation systems complete radiators installed trim and logo design (85%) mail box espresso machine slicer dishes laundry sink chairs recovered tables painted What's coming up ? counters & cabinetry more plumbing more electrical window "bars" (steel wire spider webs) server set-up thin client (Thinkpad) acquisition and setup more graphic design website creation lighting control system legal document creation (user agreements, artist licenses, liability waivers etc) establishment of standard hardware/software base (for the linux boxes we will sell) How can you help ? physical labour (if you like that sort of thing) donate hardware (unloved CPUs, monitors, USB routers webcams, wiring etc.) legal (know any linuxy lawyers ?) writing articles/reviews (once the new website is up) If you are sysadmin inclined, we will be looking for a gaggle of geeks to remotely administer systems of new linux users. (more on that to follow) email me off-list, if you are interested. Once the servers are up and the (new) website is online, there will be many more things to do, but much of the development can happen after the doors are open. So despite website inactivity, sparse linuxcaffe related postings, and unchanging storefront, things are happening ! Thanks to all who have contributed, so far, and in advance, for those who plan to ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 19:22:22 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:22:22 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <42027255.7070302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> <42027255.7070302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <420279EE.7050706@utoronto.ca> Simon what I would need you to do is run fdisk on hdb and print the partition table. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 19:33:06 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:33:06 -0500 Subject: partitioning problem Message-ID: <1107459186.6333.18.camel@localhost> ME ! really ? omigod ! thank you thank you ! Honorable mention to Diana Sullada, Aaron Vegh, and Matt Cahill, for their fine contributions. Is this fair ? you ask, that the contest host/judge is the winning participant ? No, it ain't fair. Sometimes life ain't fair, get used to it ! :-) Two talented artists (not on TLUG) had promised to submit entries, but did not do so until after the contest deadline, so I waited. One kind of gave up and the other just took forever and then came up with something I really didn't like. The object of the contest was to solicit logo art, but as I'll be married to the durn thing, I wasn't going to adopt something just to be a good contest host, so.. I cooked up the logo myself, using Inkscape. It's still not done, but getting there. As a result of the contest botch-up, I have decided to award all (3) participants with the grand prize package; linuxcaffe membership, a choice of available swag, and a steaming mug of their favorite beverage. Thanks for playing ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 19:59:45 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:59:45 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; logo contest - and the winner is; In-Reply-To: <420280BC.1000208-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420280BC.1000208@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1095440834.20050203145945@rogers.com> Thursday, February 3, 2005, 2:51:24 PM, you wrote: DJP> As a result of the contest botch-up, I have decided to award all (3) DJP> participants with the grand prize package; linuxcaffe membership, a DJP> choice of available swag, and a steaming mug of their favorite beverage. DJP> Thanks for playing ! David, I've never had a steaming mug of Guinness before, but I'll try anything once. Thank you for being up-front about the logo contest - if I were in your shoes I'd probably make the same decision. I personally thought that everyone submitted good designs, so a big 'Yay Us', I say. Cheers for the swag, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 20:05:01 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:05:01 -0500 Subject: partitioning problem In-Reply-To: <1107459186.6333.18.camel@localhost> References: <1107459186.6333.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <420283ED.4020007@rogers.com> John McGregor wrote: > >Everything in linux is treated as a directory or a file. So in the /dev >directory you have /hda which is the first hard drive on the chain. > > >/home/simon (or whatever your user account is called) is where your data >is going to reside, so if you are going to be doing space intensive >stuff like graphics or ripping / storing mp3s -- you might want to make >it fairly large say, 50 - 60% of the linux partition, otherwise 30 - 40% >of the available space would be more than sufficient.How you allocate >space is really dependent on what you envisage using the for -- desktop? >server? both? etc. > >John > > > well folks, it seems to me that this is getting way too complicated for me on creating manual partitions. I guess I have to "abandon" creating the partitions manually and removing the FAT32 partition altogether. I'm simply going to use my full 30GB Hard Drive as my Fedora installation and probably going to install an NTFS driver on my Fedora system. I found it out at this link: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ Do you think installing an NTFS driver (which allows me to view NTFS partitions in a Fedora system) is necessary or do I just simply have to create a VFAT partition in Fedora? If so, how do I do that? Could you give me at least step-by-step instructions on how to create a VFAT partition while in Fedora? Do I also need to be in root? I hope this helps. Also, how do I keep my Fedora system up-2-date? That's what I want to know. If I don't like Fedora and prefer to change to an different operating system, let's say, Mandrake, how do I remove Fedora along with the GRUB boot-loader? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. Simon -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 20:36:07 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:36:07 -0500 Subject: (Looking for) Windows NT Terminal Server In-Reply-To: <200502031319.16315.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050202210131.GA2835@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050203170828.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050203175301.GA3535@node1.opengeometry.net> <200502031319.16315.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050203203607.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:19:16PM +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > Yes you can sell your cd to someone else. > > From the Windows XP EULA > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/eula.mspx > > -snip- > 4. TRANSFER???Internal. You may move the Product to a different Workstation > Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Product from the > former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the > Product may make a one-time transfer of the Product to another end user. The > transfer has to include all component parts, media, printed materials, this > EULA, and if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity. The transfer may > not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, > the end user receiving the transferred Product must agree to all the EULA > terms. No Rental. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide commercial hosting > services to third parties with the Product. And of course if you purchased an upgrade version to the product, you have to sell the original and upgrade as a combined set. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 21:11:12 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:11:12 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050203172544.GG31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> <20050203172544.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <42029370.9060301@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:11:32PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your >>data or settings. > > > How? I know slackware in the past required reinstalling / and /usr to > do an "upgrade", but with things like debian and redhat, and upgrade is > just an upgrade and nothing in the installer during an upgrade should > change /home. > > More partitions just means more places for partitions to be full while > other partitions have lots of free space. Not a good idea for new users > (or even experienced ones in many cases). People often reformate partitions, when installing a new distro. If /home is not on it's own partition, you have to back up the data first. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 21:16:45 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:16:45 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <42027255.7070302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> <42027255.7070302@rogers.com> Message-ID: <420294BD.1070108@rogers.com> Simon Tonekham wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> >> Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your >> data or settings. >> > How much diskspace should I need to create the /home partition? Is it > difficult to do? What is the reconmended amount on creating a home > partition? How long is a piece of string? The amount used is entirely up to you. However, given the size of disk drives these days, you can give it plenty. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 21:21:32 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:21:32 -0500 Subject: partitioning problem In-Reply-To: <420283ED.4020007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1107459186.6333.18.camel@localhost> <420283ED.4020007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <420295DC.60401@truxtar.com> Simon Tonekham wrote: > John McGregor wrote: > >> > >> Everything in linux is treated as a directory or a file. So in the /dev >> directory you have /hda which is the first hard drive on the chain. >> >> > > > >> /home/simon (or whatever your user account is called) is where your data >> is going to reside, so if you are going to be doing space intensive >> stuff like graphics or ripping / storing mp3s -- you might want to make >> it fairly large say, 50 - 60% of the linux partition, otherwise 30 - 40% >> of the available space would be more than sufficient.How you allocate >> space is really dependent on what you envisage using the for -- desktop? >> server? both? etc. >> >> John >> >> >> Since you are already planning to use the VFAT partition to store your data, I don't think you need a separate /home partition. The partition table you posted in a different message looks fine to me: > 2nd hard drive: > VFAT partition: 13.42GB (I don't know what the /dev/ part is, sorry.) > /dev/hdb1 - root: 12.91GB > /dev/hdb2 - swap: 512MB This looks like a perfect setup for start. You should be able to keep most of your data on the VFAT partition, and have lots of space to play with. > well folks, it seems to me that this is getting way too complicated for > me on creating manual partitions. I guess I have to "abandon" creating > the partitions manually and removing the FAT32 partition altogether. I'm > simply going to use my full 30GB Hard Drive as my Fedora installation > and probably going to install an NTFS driver on my Fedora system. I > found it out at this link: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ Do you > think installing an NTFS driver (which allows me to view NTFS partitions > in a Fedora system) is necessary or do I just simply have to create a > VFAT partition in Fedora? If so, how do I do that? Could you give me at > least step-by-step instructions on how to create a VFAT partition while > in Fedora? Do I also need to be in root? The NTFS driver is read-only; you can't save any files on the NTFS partition, and thus you can't transfer data from Linux to Windows. If you use all 30GB for your Linux installation, it will be more difficult to later resize your root partition to make space for the VFAT. However, if you leave some free space now (i.e. just tell the installer to use the first 13GB and leave the rest unpartitioned; I don't know exactly how you do this in the Fedora installer), you can easily add the VFAT partition later in Linux. > > I hope this helps. Also, how do I keep my Fedora system up-2-date? IIRC (if I recall correctly), Fedora includes a program called, you guessed it, "up2date", which will download any important security fixes. Alternatively, you can use a system such as 'yam' or 'apt' to keep all of your programs up to date. > That's what I want to know. If I don't like Fedora and prefer to change > to an different operating system, let's say, Mandrake, how do I remove > Fedora along with the GRUB boot-loader? If you keep all your data on you VFAT (or a separate '/home' partition), you can simply reformat your root partition without touching your data and install another Linux distribution on it. You would do the formatting from the new OS's installer. As for the Grub boot-loader, it is used by most modern Linux distributions, so you could just leave it in place, and the new OS will update it. Good luck, and don't worry too much; you learn from your mistakes. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 21:27:23 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:27:23 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050203172544.GG31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <20050201204006.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41FFED51.3070901@rogers.com> <20050201210039.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420029D5.20505@rogers.com> <20050202154407.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42025B44.1010607@rogers.com> <20050203172544.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4202973B.4020900@truxtar.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 12:11:32PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Also, /home makes it easier to upgrade the OS, without clobbering your >>data or settings. > > > How? I know slackware in the past required reinstalling / and /usr to > do an "upgrade", but with things like debian and redhat, and upgrade is > just an upgrade and nothing in the installer during an upgrade should > change /home. But other freak incidents will. Three days ago either some memory error (I was playing with my BIOS settings) or a power fluctuation caused Linux to write garbage all over my '/usr' partition. Fortunately, I was able to simply re-format it and use APT to reinstall all my software, without loosing any configuration ('/etc' on root partition was intact), or data ('/home' is another partition too). If I had used a single partition, I would be saying "bye, bye" to my data. > > More partitions just means more places for partitions to be full while > other partitions have lots of free space. Not a good idea for new users > (or even experienced ones in many cases). In this case you can use LVM. It can take any combination of "physical volumes" (partitions, disks, RAID arrays, etc.), and split them up in any way you wish. That way you can create as many partitions as you need to split up your data by type, rather than how much space it takes up (i.e. '/usr' partition for programs, '/home' for your data, '/video' for all video work (using an XFS file system, for example, etc.). If you ever run out of space on one drive, you can take the space from another. If you buy a new hard drive, you can add its space to one of your existing partitions. A very useful. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 23:13:47 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:13:47 -0500 Subject: partitioning problem In-Reply-To: <420283ED.4020007-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1107459186.6333.18.camel@localhost> <420283ED.4020007@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1107472427.13389.28.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 15:05 -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > well folks, it seems to me that this is getting way too complicated > for > me on creating manual partitions. I guess I have to "abandon" > creating > the partitions manually and removing the FAT32 partition altogether. > I'm > simply going to use my full 30GB Hard Drive as my Fedora installation > and probably going to install an NTFS driver on my Fedora system. I > found it out at this link: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ Do you > think installing an NTFS driver (which allows me to view NTFS > partitions > in a Fedora system) is necessary or do I just simply have to create a > VFAT partition in Fedora? If so, how do I do that? Could you give me > at > least step-by-step instructions on how to create a VFAT partition > while > in Fedora? Do I also need to be in root? During the install phase you are acting as root. To reiterate what the others have said, using the driver to access NTFS partitions is experimental at best and the risks at this stage of the driver's development far outweigh the benefits. > > I hope this helps. Also, how do I keep my Fedora system up-2-date? > That's what I want to know. If I don't like Fedora and prefer to > change > to an different operating system, let's say, Mandrake, how do I > remove > Fedora along with the GRUB boot-loader? Fedora has a utility called 'up2date' which will fetch and configure security and bug fixes and you can use 'apt or 'yum' to download and install software. To change to a new distro just reformat the drive and install the new one.Sometimes a new instance of GRUB will not overwrite the one in the MBR and the install could fail. The 'trick' is to use LILO instead and vice verse IE there can only be one boot loader in the MBR, so if GRUB was used by the old distro over write it with LILO, or if LILO was used overwrite it with GRUB.Once you get more experienced you will be able to forego this and just edit the existing boot loader and correct any errors. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 3 23:47:11 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:47:11 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <20050203170724.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200502031847.11559.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On February 3, 2005 12:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > There is no need for a seperate /boot on any modern PC. Only back when > there was trouble with 512, 2G or 8G drives did you really need one when > using a drive larger than that. Any machine built in the last 5 years > should certainly work fine without it (heck my 1992 486 with a 95 BIOS > works with drives up to 137G without a /boot) I like the idea of isolating the kernel(s) on a separate partition and having it nomount and ext2. In the event of a dirty shutdown, that which is not mounted is not likely to get corrupted. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 00:45:17 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 19:45:17 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <200502031847.11559.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <4201359E.4010704@rogers.com> <20050203170724.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200502031847.11559.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <4202C59D.2070204@truxtar.com> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On February 3, 2005 12:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >>There is no need for a seperate /boot on any modern PC. Only back when >>there was trouble with 512, 2G or 8G drives did you really need one when >>using a drive larger than that. Any machine built in the last 5 years >>should certainly work fine without it (heck my 1992 486 with a 95 BIOS >>works with drives up to 137G without a /boot) > > > I like the idea of isolating the kernel(s) on a separate partition and having > it nomount and ext2. In the event of a dirty shutdown, that which is not > mounted is not likely to get corrupted. Hmm, but the kernel won't do you much good if your 'init' program, for example, is corrupted (I've had it happen). In that case you may want to keep a copy of a known good root partition (my root partition is only about 500MB) on a seperate, nomount partition. That way if something is wrong, you can select an alternate entry in your boot loader and boot away. Personally, I prefer to keep a Knoppix CD handy. If something goes wrong, I boot from the CD, chroot into my old system, reinstall / recover from backups the kernel and anything else I need to boot, reboot, and the system is back online. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 01:19:01 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 20:19:01 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <4202C59D.2070204-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <200502031847.11559.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <4202C59D.2070204@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200502032019.02124.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On February 3, 2005 19:45, Anton Markov wrote: > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > On February 3, 2005 12:07, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >>There is no need for a seperate /boot on any modern PC. Only back when > >>there was trouble with 512, 2G or 8G drives did you really need one when > >>using a drive larger than that. Any machine built in the last 5 years > >>should certainly work fine without it (heck my 1992 486 with a 95 BIOS > >>works with drives up to 137G without a /boot) > > > > I like the idea of isolating the kernel(s) on a separate partition and > > having it nomount and ext2. In the event of a dirty shutdown, that which > > is not mounted is not likely to get corrupted. > > Hmm, but the kernel won't do you much good if your 'init' program, for > example, is corrupted (I've had it happen). In that case you may want to > keep a copy of a known good root partition (my root partition is only > about 500MB) on a seperate, nomount partition. That way if something is > wrong, you can select an alternate entry in your boot loader and boot away. ... which I do:) There are situations, like with colocated servers, where popping in Knoppix and rebooting from the CD is not an option. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 01:40:07 2005 From: stonekham14-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:40:07 -0500 Subject: anyone living within the Durham region (as far as Newcastle), I need some Fedora help Message-ID: <4202D277.8080807@rogers.com> Hey there, guys. I would need someone who is living within the Durham Region area to assist me in my Fedora installation. I have a computer with these following specifications: - Intel P4 at 1.4GHz - Intel D850GB Mainboard - 256 MB RDRAM - 120GB Western Digital 8MB, 7200RPM hard drive (primary hard drive, currently occupied by Windoze XP PRO SP2) - 30GB (27.95 GB officially) Quantum Maxtor 2MB, 7200RPM hard drive ("slave" hard drive, with a 15GB (officially 14.52GB) FAT32 (VFAT) partition created and 15GB (officialy 13.42GB) worth of unallocated space) - LG 16X DVD-ROM equiv. to 48X Max CD-ROM drive - A-open 48x write/12 re-write/50x read CD writer - Nvidia RIVA TNT2 32MB Video Card - Intergrated Intel sound - Intergrated Intel PRO VM 10/100 networking I want to know if someone is avaliable who is living in the Durham Region and who can offer me some assistance for my proposed Fedora installation. This was on the table for months and I want to experience Linux like I never discovered before in my life. The main part that I want to focus is that which partitions should I create and how much should I also create in my second hard drive. My 2nd hard drive is "hdb", while my 1st hard drive is "hda". Also, how do I keep my Fedora system up-to-date? When a new version of Fedora comes out, do I need to reinstall the same distribution? What happens if I don't feel comfortable with Fedora and prefer to change to another distribution, let's say, Mandrake? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. Simon - P.S. I'm primarily focusing Linux users who live in the Ajax (Westney/Hwy. 2 or Hwy. 2/Harwood) area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 02:33:01 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: <41FFE81A.4000906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: | From: Simon Tonekham This whole thread is very sadly funny. I just isn't very hard to install Fedora. But like any "user friendly" thing, when it goes off the rails, you are sometimes left to fend without tools or concepts. I assume you are trying Core 3, the latest, but it hardly matters. The fact that you didn't mention the version shows that you don't really know how to report problems. The steps of a GUI installation are not easily described in text. Hence your request for somebody to come to help you is not actually a bad idea. If you are truly in the weeds, you might need someone onsite to figure out your problem. But it really should not have to come to that. On top of this, I suspect none of the folks offering advice actually runs Fedora. They do understand the concepts, but you seem to have a problem at a shallower level. I use Fedora, but I don't even remember what the choices are at the beginning: they are so obvious to me that they are not memorable. I always ask for a "custom" installation. I think that may be the path through which manual partitioning is done. I still use the GUI for partitioning, but I make the decisions. Perhaps you are breaking one of the rules that is obvious to me. - you need to specify the mount point of each partition you create (except for the swap partition) - I usually create 3 partitions on a new machine: 8G / for everything except users files >1G /home for users' home directories 1G swap for swapping (I have specified reasonably generous sizes) - a server installation might be better if it had more distinct partitions (for example, /tmp, /var, ...). - On my FC3 x86_64 installation, I selected most packages and this fits in 5.7G. This is *not* "everything" which includes tonnes of stuff for natural languages that I cannot read or write. Note that x86_64 uses more space than i386 (two versions of many libraries, less dense object code). - I often leave unused a partition big enough for /. When I upgrade, I install to this new partition, leaving my old / intact. Thus, if my new installation doesn't work, I can go back. | "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none uniqueID: | 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none device: none | drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none start: none end: none | migrate: none origfstype: none" Is this how the message is presented, or have you reformatted it to make it even more obscure? Formatted more readably: Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size: 0 grow: 1 maxsize: none start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none I have no idea what tool prints this kind of message. What is a "device"? As Taavi mentioned, the mountpoint looks wrong -- you want to have at least /. Perhaps this is a side-effect of LVM -- I have no experience of that. | I also got this error message as well: | | "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not defined a | root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of Fedora Core to | continue. This can happen if there is not enough space on your hard drive(s) | for the installation. You can choose a different automatic partiton option or | click "back" to select manual partitioning." Perhaps Fedora doesn't like not having / on hda. Some systems can only boot hda. That is a foolish reason because all that matters is on which drive the the boot sector lives, but Fedora might have some such restriction built in. Note: this is a superstitions leap-in-the-dark guess. | In my opinion, the manual partitioning is a very painful, tedious and | meticular (sorry if i misspelled the word) process on establishing Fedora. If you think partitioning is hard, you are in for an unpleasant surprise when you get to other tasks on a computer. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 03:38:01 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:38:01 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: ; from hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 09:33:01PM -0500 References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050203223801.A24030@ee.ryerson.ca> I'm late to this discussion and haven't been following it. But with regard to partitioning: I just installed Suse Linux on a new Toshiba laptop. The machine has XP on it and this was a dual boot installation. It was a matter of putting the CD into the drive and rebooting the computer. (I had to set the boot sequence to start with the CDROM rather than the hard drive.) That was it. I accepted the defaults and the install went from there without incident. Repartitioning was done automatically. The screen resolution was not correct, but could be corrected from the gui without editing any files. I had a similar positive experience installing Suse linux on another desk top machine. For someone new to linux, this is the way to go in my opinion. Then you can delve into a working system. Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 13:22:01 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:22:01 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? Message-ID: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I get to deal with text files from Windoze and Mac sources on a regular basis, and frequently they are filled with junk characters. I would love to be able to de-cruft these files in a systematic way. I have no idea what some of the characters are - they often show up blue in vim, and they have numbers like \240 in hex. I thought that bvi might work to let me search and replace then by hex code, but that didn't seem to work. I can usually deal with the infamous "^M" with flip, but I'd love something in Perl or vim (so I can understand it - I'm sure it's doable in assembly or bash or smalltalk, but then I wouldn't learn anything) that will hunt out these weird artifacts of wonky software and remove them. Any suggestions? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 14:00:44 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:00:44 -0500 Subject: My new article... Message-ID: <011101c50ac1$eb7f94e0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> As a follow-up to my February 2005 Linux Journal article, and what I presented at the December TLUG meeting here is another look at a temporary internet Lounge (and likely my last look at this subject for the foreseeable future....): http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 14:30:51 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:30:51 -0500 Subject: partitioning problems when trying to install Fedora Core 3 In-Reply-To: References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4203871B.5080803@utoronto.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > On top of this, I suspect none of the folks offering advice actually > runs Fedora. They do understand the concepts, but you seem to have a > problem at a shallower level. > I plead guilty to this charge. I use Debian, (when I'm not using Panther on my PowerBook.) Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 14:38:07 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:38:07 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050204132201.GA31227-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <420388CF.10903@sympatico.ca> In the past, I used demoroniser: . Haven't needed to do this for a while, though. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 14:58:48 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:58:48 -0500 Subject: my partitioning method In-Reply-To: <41FFE81A.4000906-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> Message-ID: <42038DA8.1080904@knet.ca> I am not sure about todays bios's but i am still wary of the 1024 cylinder and not being able to boot an OS when it is installed above the 1024th cylinder. This is why I never create a c:\ partiton larger than 4GB. I put all my programs and OS on a 4GB c:\ (/dev/hda1) Then I install my Linux in a 3750MB (/dev/hda2) and swap partition /dev/hda3. (let GRUB do the boot managing) (I used to do this for FC2 and FC3, but now I use RHEL3, same stuff) Then I make either a NTFS or VFAT partition on /dev/hda4 (the choice depends on how i feel that day and wheather i want to compile a kernel for NTFS support, whereas VFAT support is builtin) with the remaing space. This data partition /dev/hda4 is often 50GB or more. thus /dev/hda1 Windows NTFS or VFAT /dev/hda2 root of my linux /dev/hda3 swap /dev/hda4 partition for all my data format as ext3, vfat, or ntfs, as you see fit The catch is that many people install their OS's onto partitions larger than 4GB, and then they run into all kinds of problems. with os's not booting, partition map problems etc.etc. This if course my standard setup for a dualbooting system. ie good for laptops etc. For standalone linux servers, the setup of course is more-linux-friendly. Simon Tonekham wrote: > hello folks, > > This is Simon (from another e-mail address and using Thunderbird since > I unsubscribed from my hotmail account because of growing, annoying > concerns) , I was attempting to install Fedora on my 2nd hard drive. > The problem is I experience problems on doing the automatic > partitioning with Fedora. I'm trying to do the automatic partitioning > on my Maxtor 30GB Hard drive. I've already created a 15GB VFAT > partition which enables me to share files between Windows and in this > case, Linux. I also have another 15GB of unallocated space. When I > tried to go into the "keep all partitions and use the existing free > space" option on my 2nd hard drive or "hdb". I've been presented with > an error indicating that I could not allocate the reuqest partitions. > This goes as follows: > > "Unsatisfied Partition request New part request - mountpoint: none > uniqueID: 27 type: physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: none > device: none drive:['hdb'] primary: none size:0 grow: 1 maxsize: none > start: none end: none migrate: none origfstype: none" > > I also got this error message as well: > > "The following errors occured with your partitioning. You have not > defined a root (/) partition wh ich is required for installation of > Fedora Core to continue. This can happen if there is not enough space > on your hard drive(s) for the installation. You can choose a different > automatic partiton option or click "back" to select manual partitioning." > > In my opinion, the manual partitioning is a very painful, tedious and > meticular (sorry if i misspelled the word) process on establishing > Fedora. I've checked the 2nd hard drive for errors and bad sectors, > but there are none on my hard drive. I also defragged my hard drive as > well. Any suggestions, will be appreciated. Thank you. > > Simon > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 15:03:38 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:03:38 -0500 Subject: apcusbd - Debian In-Reply-To: <20050131175416.GH31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200501272113.48460.mervc@eol.ca> <20050131175416.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200502041003.38771.mervc@eol.ca> On Monday 31 January 2005 12:54, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > This config works for me on Debian Sarge with an APC ups sing USB. > > UPSCABLE usb > UPSTYPE usb > DEVICE /dev/usb/hiddev0 deleted > > I think that was the only file I changed to get it going. > Thanks for the reply Lennart. I tried your device line but that didn't help. All other variables were the same. I went through the testing stuff in the users manual, and I got all the results I should. So I did the unthinkable and hooked it up to my laptop and tried loading the Windows software. It couldn't find the UPS either. So the factory tests are not infallible. Another UPS from the store worked so a new unit has solved the problem. Regards -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 15:17:40 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:17:40 -0500 Subject: Linux or BSD on tiny HD? In-Reply-To: References: <42026ED7.7030509@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200502041017.40601.mervc@eol.ca> On Thursday 03 February 2005 13:58, Steve wrote: > And installing DSL does sound interesting. I like that distro. And I > guess like you said, I can then customize a bit and install things I > want. > > -Steve. If you take a look at distrowatch.com you will find a number of small linuxes. Damn small is one of the longer lasting ones and might suit you for that drive. I thought DSL was a bit too small but you got choices for upgrades. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 18:32:46 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:32:46 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050204132201.GA31227-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1107541966.29808.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 08:22 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I get to deal with text files from Windoze and Mac sources on a regular > basis, and frequently they are filled with junk characters. I would > love to be able to de-cruft these files in a systematic way. I have no > idea what some of the characters are - they often show up blue in vim, > and they have numbers like \240 in hex. I thought that bvi might work > to let me search and replace then by hex code, but that didn't seem to > work. I can usually deal with the infamous "^M" with flip, but I'd love > something in Perl or vim (so I can understand it - I'm sure it's doable > in assembly or bash or smalltalk, but then I wouldn't learn anything) > that will hunt out these weird artifacts of wonky software and remove > them. Any suggestions? > > Thanks. Hey, I have this problem as well. A quick fix for the "^M" in vim/vi you can use :.,$s/\r//g and that will get rid of them. I started to mess around with a perl script to get rid of all non-ASCII characters from a file but I couldn't seem to get it to work and I am too busy today to spend more time on it, but here it is. You might be able to modify it or whatever to get it to work. The line $line =~s/[^\x00-\x7f]//g; is supposed to replace all non-ASCII characters with nothing but it doesn't seem to work here. Anyway, hope this helps. Later #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $file = "sql.sql"; my $newFile = "onlyascii.sql"; open(FILE,"$file") || die "Could not Open $file\n"; open(NEWFILE,">$newFile") || die "Could not Open $newFile\n"; my $line = ""; while($line = ) { chomp($line); #$line =~s/[^\w\d\s]+//g; $line =~s/([[^:ascii:]]|\r)*//g; #$line =~s/[^\x00-\x7f]//g; #warn "$line\n"; #$line=~s/[^\w\s<>,.'"*-+=]#:;?\/&%@!\$()]}{_~`\^]/ /g; print(NEWFILE $line."\n"); } close(FILE); close(NEWFILE); -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 18:35:55 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:35:55 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <1107541966.29808.12.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1107541966.29808.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <1107542155.29808.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 13:32 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 08:22 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > > I get to deal with text files from Windoze and Mac sources on a regular > > basis, and frequently they are filled with junk characters. I would > > love to be able to de-cruft these files in a systematic way. I have no > > idea what some of the characters are - they often show up blue in vim, > > and they have numbers like \240 in hex. I thought that bvi might work > > to let me search and replace then by hex code, but that didn't seem to > > work. I can usually deal with the infamous "^M" with flip, but I'd love > > something in Perl or vim (so I can understand it - I'm sure it's doable > > in assembly or bash or smalltalk, but then I wouldn't learn anything) > > that will hunt out these weird artifacts of wonky software and remove > > them. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Hey, > > I have this problem as well. A quick fix for the "^M" in vim/vi you can > use :.,$s/\r//g and that will get rid of them. I started to mess around > with a perl script to get rid of all non-ASCII characters from a file > but I couldn't seem to get it to work and I am too busy today to spend > more time on it, but here it is. You might be able to modify it or > whatever to get it to work. The line $line =~s/[^\x00-\x7f]//g; is > supposed to replace all non-ASCII characters with nothing but it doesn't > seem to work here. Anyway, hope this helps. > > Later > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > use strict; > > my $file = "sql.sql"; > my $newFile = "onlyascii.sql"; > > open(FILE,"$file") || die "Could not Open $file\n"; > open(NEWFILE,">$newFile") || die "Could not Open $newFile\n"; > my $line = ""; > while($line = ) > { > chomp($line); > #$line =~s/[^\w\d\s]+//g; > $line =~s/([[^:ascii:]]|\r)*//g; > #$line =~s/[^\x00-\x7f]//g; > #warn "$line\n"; > #$line=~s/[^\w\s<>,.'"*-+=]#:;?\/&%@!\$()]}{_~`\^]/ /g; > > print(NEWFILE $line."\n"); > } > > > close(FILE); > close(NEWFILE); > > > > I just realized that "^M" is actually an ASCII character, so maybe it will get rid of the other characters for you. I just don't have a file with any non-ASCII characters to get rid of, just the "^M". No wonder it wasn't working :). Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 18:50:59 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:50:59 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <1107541966.29808.12.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1107541966.29808.12.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: > > work. I can usually deal with the infamous "^M" with flip, but I'd love > > something in Perl or vim (so I can understand it - I'm sure it's doable > > in assembly or bash or smalltalk, but then I wouldn't learn anything) > > that will hunt out these weird artifacts of wonky software and remove > > them. Any suggestions? Well...UNIX has always used LF (linefeed) to signify the end of a line. DOS/Windows somewhere along the line decided to use CR/LF (CR would be carriage return). Ye Olde Macs use simply CR (newer ones use LF, as they're actually UNIX). LF has an ASCII value of 10, and CR has an ASCII value of 13. > I have this problem as well. A quick fix for the "^M" in vim/vi you can > use :.,$s/\r//g and that will get rid of them. I started to mess around Sure does. \n tends to map to LF and \r to CR. (though I'm pretty sure that some DOS compilers will automatically translate \n to CR/LF) > with a perl script to get rid of all non-ASCII characters from a file > but I couldn't seem to get it to work and I am too busy today to spend > more time on it, but here it is. You might be able to modify it or > whatever to get it to work. The line $line =~s/[^\x00-\x7f]//g; is > supposed to replace all non-ASCII characters with nothing but it doesn't > seem to work here. Anyway, hope this helps. Naturally, since the ^M you see (the CR) is a perfectly valid ASCII character. Perhaps something like: $line =~ s/[^\x00-\x0b\0xd-\x7f]//g; might work better for removing the DOS/Win formatting. Good luck! :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 20:29:49 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:29:49 -0500 Subject: Dual-boot install problem Message-ID: <20050204202949.GA32561@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I was just about to install Debian on a new computer with XP on it and I got a cfdisk error. The drive is a 160Gb with three partitions - two with NTFS and one blank. The install routine offers to flatten my partition info, but that won't do. Is there a reason that neither the Debian install disk nor a new Knoppix disk can run cfdisk on a drive that should be perfectly rational? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 21:09:56 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:09:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: my partitioning method In-Reply-To: <42038DA8.1080904-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41FFE81A.4000906@rogers.com> <42038DA8.1080904@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050204210519.M319@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Teddy Mills wrote: > I am not sure about todays bios's but i am still wary of the 1024 cylinder > and not being able to boot an OS when it is installed above the 1024th > cylinder. It's unlikely you'll see an issue with a modern system but remember that the problem is bios related, not Linux related. Just make sure your kernel is fully within the first 1024 cylinders. An easy way to ensure this is to make a small / or /boot filesystem, having it near the beginning of the disk and locate the kernel image there. The reason this works is that Linux doesn't use bios calls (except for some pci stuff, if you allow it). > The catch is that many people install their OS's onto partitions larger than > 4GB, and then they run into all kinds of problems. with os's not booting, These limitations thankfully do not apply to Linux as long as the simple rule above is observed. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 21:35:26 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:35:26 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? Message-ID: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> I would appreciate if someone with better memory can kick me in the right direction... Suppose you have read-only filesystem (eg. CD-ROM) mounted on /var. Is there some overlay feature that you can enable (in kernel or filesystem), so that /var appears to be read-write while the system is on. But, when you reboot, you're back to original /var content. I've remember something like this is possible in 2.6. But, name or keyword escapes me. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 21:40:18 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:40:18 -0700 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: <20050204213526.GA2453-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: this isnt any complex feature. you have a CDROM mounted with /var on it that is read-only. now you can create a ramdisk and mount it as /var (or whatever you need to be writable. it will overlay your existing /var and use the mounted /var. when you reboot, everything is lost. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of William Park Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:35 PM To: TLUG-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Filesystem overlay ? I would appreciate if someone with better memory can kick me in the right direction... Suppose you have read-only filesystem (eg. CD-ROM) mounted on /var. Is there some overlay feature that you can enable (in kernel or filesystem), so that /var appears to be read-write while the system is on. But, when you reboot, you're back to original /var content. I've remember something like this is possible in 2.6. But, name or keyword escapes me. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 21:50:54 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:50:54 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:40:18 -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > you have a CDROM mounted with /var on it that is read-only. > > now you can create a ramdisk and mount it as /var (or whatever you need to > be writable. Normally that will "overmount" the CDROM so that all you get is your ramdisk. I believe what William was asking about was a way to configure the CDROM and a ramdisk to do basically do 'copy on write'. Unchanged portions of /var remain on the CDROM and are read from it, and changed portions are saved in RAM. At least, I think that's what he was getting at. So the question becomes "what's the appropriate mount option for the ramdisk?" Perhaps 'man mount' has an answer? -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 22:02:00 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:02:00 -0700 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Taavi Burns Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:51 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Filesystem overlay ? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:40:18 -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > you have a CDROM mounted with /var on it that is read-only. > > now you can create a ramdisk and mount it as /var (or whatever you need to > be writable. Normally that will "overmount" the CDROM so that all you get is your ramdisk. yep thats what i meant - in fact if you mount /var without the -O option, youll get a busy signal. but i doubt if it is as easy as specifying the right commands to mount - atleast i couldnt get it with a simple google. A simple solution is to create many 1mb tmpfs partitions in RAM that can be mounted as any folder under /var - tmpfs dynamically resize these partitions in memory depending on utilization. You must remember, this requires a significant amount of ram. A better solution is to put in a dummy 10 or 20 gig hard drive, and get the OS on the liveCD to reformat (and if needed -repartition) the hard drive on every boot to create writable disk partitions for every install. Depending on your system this can be really fast if you use reiserfs. This is somewhat a hybrid between a full liveCD and a full install. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 22:13:38 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:13:38 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: <20050204213526.GA2453-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4203F392.8070006@utoronto.ca> William Park wrote: >I would appreciate if someone with better memory can kick me in the >right direction... > >Suppose you have read-only filesystem (eg. CD-ROM) mounted on /var. Is >there some overlay feature that you can enable (in kernel or >filesystem), so that /var appears to be read-write while the system is >on. But, when you reboot, you're back to original /var content. > >I've remember something like this is possible in 2.6. But, name or >keyword escapes me. > > > Hi William, Well, there's a few: - unionfs - http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html - ovlfs - http://ovlfs.sourceforge.net/ (this one appears to be dead, but slax uses it) - translucency - http://sourceforge.net/projects/translucency/ - mini_fo - can't find homepage, but Morphix seems to run on this - cowloop - http://www.atconsultancy.nl/cowloop/ Apparently there are even more. I found these by lurking in the slax forums, watching threads between the Slax guy and people with all kinds of suggestions to replace ovlfs. Slax is a bootable CD Linux Distro based on Slackware - you'd like it :-) Apparently even lvm could be made to do this, but that might be quite complex. Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 4 22:57:51 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:57:51 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: <4203F392.8070006-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> <4203F392.8070006@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050204225751.GA2801@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 05:13:38PM -0500, Dave Stubbs wrote: > William Park wrote: > > >I would appreciate if someone with better memory can kick me in the > >right direction... > > > >Suppose you have read-only filesystem (eg. CD-ROM) mounted on /var. Is > >there some overlay feature that you can enable (in kernel or > >filesystem), so that /var appears to be read-write while the system is > >on. But, when you reboot, you're back to original /var content. > > > >I've remember something like this is possible in 2.6. But, name or > >keyword escapes me. > > > > > > > Hi William, > > Well, there's a few: > - unionfs - http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html > - ovlfs - http://ovlfs.sourceforge.net/ (this one appears to be dead, > but slax uses it) > - translucency - http://sourceforge.net/projects/translucency/ > - mini_fo - can't find homepage, but Morphix seems to run on this > - cowloop - http://www.atconsultancy.nl/cowloop/ > > Apparently there are even more. I found these by lurking in the slax > forums, watching threads between the Slax guy and people with all kinds > of suggestions to replace ovlfs. Slax is a bootable CD Linux Distro > based on Slackware - you'd like it :-) Apparently even lvm could be > made to do this, but that might be quite complex. 'ovlfs' rings a bell, but I don't think that was it. Anyhow, thanks for the URLs. I'll check them out. For completeness and for educational purpose, there are 2 standard ways: - Use 'initrd'. Let it fall through the boot process, and mount it on /var. - Use 'tmpfs'. Right after kernel mounts /var, populate it with stuffs from /clean-var. I'm currently using 'initrd' because it doesn't require modification of bootup scripts, so it works with any Linux distro. It's a bit messy to build and maintain, though. 'tmpfs' is cleaner, but it requires custom script very early in the boot process. On Slackware, it's no problem; on other distro, however, it's not that easy. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 5 00:34:43 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:34:43 -0500 Subject: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Message-ID: <20050205003454.3B206120B@fep7.cogeco.net> Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SCSI drives may require you to do more- but i guess youre not looking at SCSI because you mentioned that it is a 200G hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 5 02:00:26 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050205020056.72A8B161C@fep7.cogeco.net> Hello Adil I should have been more specific. I have a 200gig Western Digital (EDIE?) that I want to physically install in to the Dell Server. Thats the easy part. The hard part is what do at the install level. I already have 2 Raid drives and I want this for more space. After Installing, I start up the system. In the configuration this is where I get lost..... thanks James _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Adil Kodian Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server by backup if you mean hw raid - then yeah - you have to set stuff up prior to boot using bios. software raid, or even manual rsync like backup mechanisms dont need much change. If your drive is recognized by bios then youre pretty much guaranteed that it will work with linux. If its a PATA drive then it will simply appear as /dev/hda,b,c,d as the case may be. you can then login as root, use fdisk to create partitions, use mkfs to create a file system, use mount to mount it and then you can add the entry to fstab for auto-mount. SATA or SCSI drives will simply be /dev/sda,b,c,d. SCSI drives may require you to do more- but i guess youre not looking at SCSI because you mentioned that it is a 200G hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I found these by lurking in the slax > forums, watching threads between the Slax guy and people with all kinds > of suggestions to replace ovlfs. Slax is a bootable CD Linux Distro > based on Slackware - you'd like it :-) Apparently even lvm could be > made to do this, but that might be quite complex. Yes, you can do a similar thing with LVM snapshots, but I think it only works for hard drives. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(im assuming you have hardware RAID if you dint set it up when installing RH9) A simple technique is to put in the hard drive (after you move the jumpers to 'cable select') then let linux boot up. login as root and use fdisk /dev/hdX (where X is a,b,c,d depending on where this hd is on the IDE bus) in the fdisk screen press m for more information. create a new partition, making it a primary partition and when you see the partition press 'w' to write the partition back to the new disk. once the partition is created, you need to 'format' it mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdX1 should format that section as a reiserfs partition. then you need to mount this (not the otherway around as you mention). make a new folder wherever you want space - like for eg /home/extra-storage mount /dev/hdX1 /home/extra-storage and thats all. you can now access your new disk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:00 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello Adil I should have been more specific. I have a 200gig Western Digital (EDIE?) that I want to physically install in to the Dell Server. Thats the easy part. The hard part is what do at the install level. I already have 2 Raid drives and I want this for more space. After Installing, I start up the system. In the configuration this is where I get lost..... thanks James ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Adil Kodian Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server by backup if you mean hw raid - then yeah - you have to set stuff up prior to boot using bios. software raid, or even manual rsync like backup mechanisms dont need much change. If your drive is recognized by bios then youre pretty much guaranteed that it will work with linux. If its a PATA drive then it will simply appear as /dev/hda,b,c,d as the case may be. you can then login as root, use fdisk to create partitions, use mkfs to create a file system, use mount to mount it and then you can add the entry to fstab for auto-mount. SATA or SCSI drives will simply be /dev/sda,b,c,d. SCSI drives may require you to do more- but i guess youre not looking at SCSI because you mentioned that it is a 200G hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 5 10:33:48 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:33:48 +0200 (IST) Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Adil Kodian wrote: > but i doubt if it is as easy as specifying the right commands to mount - > atleast i couldnt get it with a simple google. A simple solution is to > create many 1mb tmpfs partitions in RAM that can be mounted as any folder > under /var - tmpfs dynamically resize these partitions in memory depending > on utilization. You must remember, this requires a significant amount of > ram. A better solution is to put in a dummy 10 or 20 gig hard drive, and get > the OS on the liveCD to reformat (and if needed -repartition) the hard drive > on every boot to create writable disk partitions for every install. > Depending on your system this can be really fast if you use reiserfs. This > is somewhat a hybrid between a full liveCD and a full install. What would it take to have a script copy /var from cdrom into the partition on hdd at boot time, then mount this /var partition onto the /var from cdrom, thus shadowing it. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 06:21:44 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 01:21:44 -0500 Subject: Accessing gdbm from shell? Message-ID: <20050206062144.GA15211@m450> Is there any way to access gdbm (or a compatable associative hash, key-value pairs, etc handler) from a shellscript? perl is an OK operating system, but it lacks a lightweight scripting language. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 07:56:19 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:56:19 -0500 Subject: Telephone Voting System Message-ID: <1107676579.4058.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was wondering if anyone knows of a telephone based voting package that runs under linux. I would probably just hook a computer up to a voice modem line on a PC, let it answer a call and have a message saying "Press a number from 0 to 9 with 9 being the highest score etc." I would then want to register whatever key on the phone was pressed and tally up the score at the end of the day. I've looked around thinking there might be a python module that supports DTMF detection but I haven't found anything. Any thoughts on this. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 08:01:46 2005 From: jsellens-Iv5KO+h6AVB+Y12zHexnB0EOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Sellens) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:01:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Telephone Voting System Message-ID: <200502060801.j1681kia095681@localhost.generalconcepts.com> A little more involved than you're asking about, but you could use the Asterisk PBX software to "easily" do this sort of thing. But you would have to but some for of POTS interface rather than just use a "voice modem". There may be simpler answers ... Cheers John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 12:15:01 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:15:01 -0500 Subject: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050206121512.89325141C@fep7.cogeco.net> I have a Dell Server SC1600Sc with two SCSI drives 80 gigs each (as RAID configured) I have added a WD 2000 (200gig Eide HD) and set it as Cable Select. In WebAdmin, It looks at the Drives as SCSI A (75gig) and SCSI B (185gig) un partitioned. Is this the way it suppose to be. Why is the system looking at the Eide as a SCSI. Why cant I see it as the third drive or is the RAID drive look as one? Please assist thanks James _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Adil Kodian Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:09 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Do you have two SCSI RAID drives that are pre-existing ? Are you adding this hard drive on the primary or secondary bus ? Are you adding it as master or slave ? prim master is /dev/hda slave /dev/hdb and so on. now the RAID, do you have hardware RAID or software RAID ? Does RAID card information show when it boots up ? (im assuming you have hardware RAID if you dint set it up when installing RH9) A simple technique is to put in the hard drive (after you move the jumpers to 'cable select') then let linux boot up. login as root and use fdisk /dev/hdX (where X is a,b,c,d depending on where this hd is on the IDE bus) in the fdisk screen press m for more information. create a new partition, making it a primary partition and when you see the partition press 'w' to write the partition back to the new disk. once the partition is created, you need to 'format' it mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdX1 should format that section as a reiserfs partition. then you need to mount this (not the otherway around as you mention). make a new folder wherever you want space - like for eg /home/extra-storage mount /dev/hdX1 /home/extra-storage and thats all. you can now access your new disk -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:00 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello Adil I should have been more specific. I have a 200gig Western Digital (EDIE?) that I want to physically install in to the Dell Server. Thats the easy part. The hard part is what do at the install level. I already have 2 Raid drives and I want this for more space. After Installing, I start up the system. In the configuration this is where I get lost..... thanks James _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Adil Kodian Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server by backup if you mean hw raid - then yeah - you have to set stuff up prior to boot using bios. software raid, or even manual rsync like backup mechanisms dont need much change. If your drive is recognized by bios then youre pretty much guaranteed that it will work with linux. If its a PATA drive then it will simply appear as /dev/hda,b,c,d as the case may be. you can then login as root, use fdisk to create partitions, use mkfs to create a file system, use mount to mount it and then you can add the entry to fstab for auto-mount. SATA or SCSI drives will simply be /dev/sda,b,c,d. SCSI drives may require you to do more- but i guess youre not looking at SCSI because you mentioned that it is a 200G hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 12:53:01 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:53:01 -0500 Subject: Accessing gdbm from shell? In-Reply-To: <20050206062144.GA15211@m450> References: <20050206062144.GA15211@m450> Message-ID: <4206132D.4070005@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > Is there any way to access gdbm (or a compatable associative hash, > key-value pairs, etc handler) from a shellscript? Our own William Park has patches to do this: . > perl is an OK > operating system, but it lacks a lightweight scripting language. Meh. Those who do not understand Perl are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. ;-) Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 15:27:42 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 Subject: Telephone Voting System In-Reply-To: <1107676579.4058.93.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107676579.4058.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4206376E.9000607@istop.com> VOCP could be easiely used for that, I guess (I use it at home for different purpose). http://www.vocpsystem.com/ zb. jim ruxton wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a telephone based voting package that > runs under linux. I would probably just hook a computer up to a voice > modem line on a PC, let it answer a call and have a message saying > "Press a number from 0 to 9 with 9 being the highest score etc." I would > then want to register whatever key on the phone was pressed and tally up > the score at the end of the day. I've looked around thinking there might > be a python module that supports DTMF detection but I haven't found > anything. Any thoughts on this. > Jim > -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 15:57:31 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:57:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Subject: TLUG Talk - Feb 8, 2005 Message-ID: <20050206154522.P21048@nirmala.opentrend.net> Date: February 8, 2004 Time: 7:30pm Location: Galbraith Building, U of T For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ Room: GB244 Speaker: Scott Elcomb Topic: Open source software and the AVP Project. Details: Scott Elcomb will talks to us about running an open source project, the use of open source in business and the AVP Project (formerly Project Avalon). Rob TLUG Talks Coordinator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 6 09:45:05 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:45:05 +0200 (IST) Subject: Telephone Voting System In-Reply-To: <1107676579.4058.93.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107676579.4058.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a telephone based voting package that > runs under linux. I would probably just hook a computer up to a voice > modem line on a PC, let it answer a call and have a message saying > "Press a number from 0 to 9 with 9 being the highest score etc." I would > then want to register whatever key on the phone was pressed and tally up > the score at the end of the day. I've looked around thinking there might > be a python module that supports DTMF detection but I haven't found > anything. Any thoughts on this. voice-0.6.tgz or mgetty/vgetty will do it. Voice scripting is easy. You can set up 9 voice mailboxes and force the store 'filled'. Then the primary announcement tells the users to vote, and they 'vote' by selecting a mailbox that is full. The full message confirms the vote. The message counter continues to operate after the store is full, for each box. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 00:29:06 2005 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:29:06 -0700 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What would it take to have a script copy /var from cdrom into the partition on hdd at boot time, then mount this /var partition onto the /var from cdrom, thus shadowing it. you could do this, but depending on how large your default /var is, it will extend the boot process. In pre-packaged OSs like Mandrake or Redhat, doing this is overkill as they dump a lot of files in /var that dont need to be written to in real-time. My /var is 260meg - and its simply a default install of mdk10.1 there are two solutions - one is to simply roll your own - create a new distro that has minimal use of /var and that too uses /var ONLY to write stuff. YOu can also set all your configuration such that as soon as you add a user, it creates the default user folder in /var/home. This approach however requires significant linux abilities. Another option is to use a regular mdk or rh distro livecd, and then simply edit it to create/use a partition on the hard drive (instead of tmpfs) and then also create swap space and mount it. You could also let the OS boot completely and then use /var/ on a remote NFS/samba server and mount it automatically. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 06:02:23 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 01:02:23 -0500 Subject: Telephone Voting System In-Reply-To: References: <1107676579.4058.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1107756143.4071.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks guys, These solutions look great. VOCP looks very interesting. I'll give these a try. Jim > On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a telephone based voting package that > > runs under linux. I would probably just hook a computer up to a voice > > modem line on a PC, let it answer a call and have a message saying > > "Press a number from 0 to 9 with 9 being the highest score etc." I would > > then want to register whatever key on the phone was pressed and tally up > > the score at the end of the day. I've looked around thinking there might > > be a python module that supports DTMF detection but I haven't found > > anything. Any thoughts on this. > > voice-0.6.tgz or mgetty/vgetty will do it. Voice scripting is easy. You > can set up 9 voice mailboxes and force the store 'filled'. Then the > primary announcement tells the users to vote, and they 'vote' by > selecting a mailbox that is full. The full message confirms the vote. > The message counter continues to operate after the store is full, for > each box. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 15:45:21 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:45:21 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7714 Kernel Korner - Unionfs: Bringing Filesystems Together By Charles Wright on Fri, 2004-11-19 04:01. Unionfs merges several directories into a single unified view. We describe applications of Unionfs and also interesting implementation aspects. Copy-on-Write Unions In the previous example of the ISO images, all of the branches in the union were read-only; hence, the union itself was read-only. Unionfs also can mix read-only and read-write branches. In this case, the union as a whole is read-write, and Unionfs uses copy-on-write semantics to give the illusion that you can modify files and directories on read-only branches. This could be used to patch a CD-ROM. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:06:52 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:06:52 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050204132201.GA31227-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050207170652.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 08:22:01AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I get to deal with text files from Windoze and Mac sources on a regular > basis, and frequently they are filled with junk characters. I would > love to be able to de-cruft these files in a systematic way. I have no > idea what some of the characters are - they often show up blue in vim, > and they have numbers like \240 in hex. I thought that bvi might work > to let me search and replace then by hex code, but that didn't seem to > work. I can usually deal with the infamous "^M" with flip, but I'd love > something in Perl or vim (so I can understand it - I'm sure it's doable > in assembly or bash or smalltalk, but then I wouldn't learn anything) > that will hunt out these weird artifacts of wonky software and remove > them. Any suggestions? \240 (in octal usually ranging from 0 to 377 (0 to 255 decimal or 0 to ff in hex) is either a character from an extended character set in which case to really read the file you need to know the character map the file was written using. It could also be unicode, which is quite likely if they occour in groups of 2 or more together. In that case any program that is able to read UTF8 files should be able to handle it. What does 'file badtextfile.txt' say about it? It is pretty smart at guessing the type. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:09:00 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:09:00 -0500 Subject: Dual-boot install problem In-Reply-To: <20050204202949.GA32561-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204202949.GA32561@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050207170900.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 03:29:49PM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I was just about to install Debian on a new computer with XP on it and I > got a cfdisk error. The drive is a 160Gb with three partitions - two > with NTFS and one blank. The install routine offers to flatten my > partition info, but that won't do. Is there a reason that neither the > Debian install disk nor a new Knoppix disk can run cfdisk on a drive > that should be perfectly rational? Thanks. What cfdisk command do you run and what result does it give? I wonder if the drive is using dynamic partition table instead of a normal partition table. That is an option in XP. cfdisk doesn't do those as far as I know, although it is not normal for that to be used on the first HD. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:10:29 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:10:29 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050207171029.GK31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 02:40:18PM -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: > this isnt any complex feature. > > you have a CDROM mounted with /var on it that is read-only. > > now you can create a ramdisk and mount it as /var (or whatever you need to > be writable. > > it will overlay your existing /var and use the mounted /var. when you > reboot, everything is lost. Hmm, in my experience, if you mount something on top of something else, the something else is hidden until you unmount the new thing. Maybe there are mount options to change that but I don't think it does so by default. I could be wrong though. I haven't tried it in a while. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:38:19 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:38:19 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto Message-ID: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> I installed ubuntu, on my Thinkpad, and have been very happy with it. Unfortunately, as I was custom partitioning, I /forgot/ to create a swap partition. DOH ! I didn't even notice, for the longest time, but some apps (Inkscape) gets hungry for more than my available 384meg and crash le box ! What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked around parted, gk-parted, gparted, but honestly, I'm a little afraid.. I have an ubuntu LIVE CD, with parted, but it only seems to see hda5 (/home) while it is mounted, and I can't resize while mounted, right ? I know this is admin kid stuff.. but my Mom is an even worse admin. whatdoIdo ? whatDOiDO ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:46:23 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:46:23 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207A78B.2070204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 12:38:19PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > I installed ubuntu, on my Thinkpad, and have been very happy with it. > Unfortunately, as I was custom partitioning, I /forgot/ to create a swap > partition. DOH ! I didn't even notice, for the longest time, but some > apps (Inkscape) gets hungry for more than my available 384meg and crash > le box ! What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked > around parted, gk-parted, gparted, but honestly, I'm a little afraid.. > I have an ubuntu LIVE CD, with parted, but it only seems to see hda5 > (/home) while it is mounted, and I can't resize while mounted, right ? > I know this is admin kid stuff.. but my Mom is an even worse admin. > whatdoIdo ? whatDOiDO ? dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 mkswap /swapfile add swapfile to fstab the same way you would a partition for swap. The performance difference is minimal as far as I know. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:46:41 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:46:41 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207A78B.2070204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4207A981.6040103@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > I installed ubuntu, on my Thinkpad, and have been very happy with it. > Unfortunately, as I was custom partitioning, I /forgot/ to create a swap > partition. DOH ! I didn't even notice, for the longest time, but some > apps (Inkscape) gets hungry for more than my available 384meg and crash > le box ! What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked > around parted, gk-parted, gparted, but honestly, I'm a little afraid.. > I have an ubuntu LIVE CD, with parted, but it only seems to see hda5 > (/home) while it is mounted, and I can't resize while mounted, right ? > I know this is admin kid stuff.. but my Mom is an even worse admin. > whatdoIdo ? whatDOiDO ? You can always create a swap file, instead of a dedicated partition. man mkswap for details. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:59:13 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:59:13 -0500 Subject: console window question Message-ID: <20050207180529.382171BAF83@outbox.allstream.net> Is there a way to get a KDE console window to come up with a login prompt instead of coming up already logged in as the current user? bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:11:15 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:11:15 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20050207174623.GL31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > > djp at otter:~ $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 Password: 512+0 records in 512+0 records out 536870912 bytes transferred in 35.092725 seconds (15298638 bytes/sec) can you tell me what happened here ? (I trust you, Lennart, so I just went and did it) but I'd like to know. (and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this ? were you in the can ?) >mkswap /swapfile > > I'll do it as soon as I understand step A >add swapfile to fstab the same way you would a partition for swap. > /swapfile /swapfile swap defaults 0 0 ? > The >performance difference is minimal as far as I know. > > As long as I can avoid the memory trainwreck, I can wait a few extra nanoseconds. thanks Lennart, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:33:43 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:33:43 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207AF43.6080504-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050207183343.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:11:15PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > >dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > > > > > djp at otter:~ $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > Password: > 512+0 records in > 512+0 records out > 536870912 bytes transferred in 35.092725 seconds (15298638 bytes/sec) 512MB of zeros were written to a file named /swapfile. dd read 512 counts of 1M chunks from the device that generates zeros. > can you tell me what happened here ? (I trust you, Lennart, so I just > went and did it) but I'd like to know. > (and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this ? > were you in the can ?) I wasn't looking at that terminal at the time :) > I'll do it as soon as I understand step A mkswap formats the file as a swapfile. Just like mkswap /dev/hda1 would format partition 1 on the hda as a swap partition. man mkswap will tell you all about it. > /swapfile /swapfile swap defaults 0 0 ? That would do it yes. At the end you can 'swapon -a' to enable all swaps in fstab. > As long as I can avoid the memory trainwreck, I can wait a few extra > nanoseconds. Yeah generally swapping isn't needed with todays quantities of ram, so when it is needed once in a while, having to use a swapfile isn't too big a deal, and a whole lot less effort than repartitioning. And if you stop needing it later, you can just remove the fstab entry and delete the swapfile. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:38:31 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:38:31 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207AF43.6080504-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4207B5A7.9070304@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> >> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 >> >> > djp at otter:~ $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > Password: > 512+0 records in > 512+0 records out > 536870912 bytes transferred in 35.092725 seconds (15298638 bytes/sec) > > can you tell me what happened here ? (I trust you, Lennart, so I just > went and did it) but I'd like to know. > (and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this ? > were you in the can ?) He's not as fast as you think he is. According to the mail headers, it took him eight minutes to send the reply, not seven. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 19:36:55 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:36:55 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207AF43.6080504-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050207193655.GA18476@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:11:15PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > >dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > > > > > djp at otter:~ $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > Password: > 512+0 records in > 512+0 records out > 536870912 bytes transferred in 35.092725 seconds (15298638 bytes/sec) > > can you tell me what happened here ? (I trust you, Lennart, so I just > went and did it) but I'd like to know. > (and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this ? > were you in the can ?) The dd command is copying data from the input file (if) /dev/zero (which is a "device" internal to Unix OSes that will output an infinite stream of null bytes and which discards any data sent to it), to the output file (of) /swapfile (which will probably get created as a new file if it doesn't already exist). The blocksize (bs) argument tells dd to read and write using a 1M buffer, so a large amount of data is read/written with each step. The count argument tells dd to stop after 512 bufferfuls have been copied (which lets it terminate even though /dev/zero will happily run forever). The "dd" command dates back to very old Unix days, and it is derived from the OS/360 JCL command language which had a dd statement (which had a function similar to the I/O redirection facilities in Unix shells, but with lots of extra bells and whistles that Unix handles by running an extra program in a pipeline instead of options passed to the OS). Like the OS/360 dd, the Unix dd has facilities for blocksize conversion(ibs and obs - used for devices which need careful control over block sizes, like tape drives) and character set translation (just in case your other computer runs on EBCDIC). > >mkswap /swapfile > > > > > I'll do it as soon as I understand step A > > >add swapfile to fstab the same way you would a partition for swap. > > > /swapfile /swapfile swap defaults 0 0 ? > > > The > >performance difference is minimal as far as I know. > > > > > As long as I can avoid the memory trainwreck, I can wait a few extra > nanoseconds. > thanks Lennart, > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:47:12 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:47:12 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20050207183343.GM31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> <20050207183343.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4207B7B0.4070806@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>(and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this ? >>were you in the can ?) >> >> > >I wasn't looking at that terminal at the time :) > > maybe you could set something up that goes "BWAAAP BWAAAP KALANGALANGALANG !" when one of us forgets how to type "man whatever". >At the end you can 'swapon -a' to enable all swaps in fstab. > > append that to fstab ? or enter in terminal ? thanks LS, it's people like you what makes FLOSS feasible. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:49:55 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:49:55 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207B7B0.4070806-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> <20050207183343.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207B7B0.4070806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050207184955.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 01:47:12PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > maybe you could set something up that goes "BWAAAP BWAAAP > KALANGALANGALANG !" when one of us forgets how to type "man whatever". I prefer to read email when I think about it, not to have email interrupt what I am doing. That means I usually look at email when I need a moment to think about a problem I am dealing with. > append that to fstab ? or enter in terminal ? swapon -a is in the terminal. Saves having to reboot to do that. lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:51:11 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:51:11 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207B5A7.9070304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> <4207B5A7.9070304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4207B89F.5070908@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > >> >> (and how come it took you a whole seven minutes to come up with this >> ? were you in the can ?) > > > He's not as fast as you think he is. According to the mail headers, > it took him eight minutes to send the reply, not seven. ;-) People ! we gotta get on the ball, here ! ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 18:54:26 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:54:26 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20050207193655.GA18476-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4207AF43.6080504@sympatico.ca> <20050207193655.GA18476@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <4207B962.8070701@sympatico.ca> John Macdonald wrote: > >The "dd" command dates back to very old Unix days, > I thought it was old school ! Still works, though ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 19:03:07 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:03:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20050207193655.GA18476-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050207193655.GA18476@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, John Macdonald wrote: > The "dd" command dates back to very old Unix days, and it > is derived from the OS/360 JCL command language which had > a dd statement... The syntax of Unix "dd" is in fact a deliberate parody of JCL's DD syntax. (The actual options aren't all that similar in detail, although they do some of the same things.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 19:47:52 2005 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 07 Feb 2005 14:47:52 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207A78B.2070204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: David J Patrick writes: > I installed ubuntu, on my Thinkpad, and have been very happy with > it. Unfortunately, as I was custom partitioning, I /forgot/ to create a swap > partition. DOH ! I didn't even notice, for the longest time, but some apps > (Inkscape) gets hungry for more than my available 384meg and crash le box ! > What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked around parted, > gk-parted, gparted, but honestly, I'm a little afraid.. You could just create a swapfile and use 'swapon' to use it. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 20:34:45 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router Message-ID: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. without going into the routers configuration menu? Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 20:38:30 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:38:30 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > without going into the routers configuration menu? > Jim Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\Home>netcat -r 'netcat' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. C:\Documents and Settings\Home>netstat -r Route Table =========================================================================== Interface List 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface 0x2 ...00 50 bf 51 05 bc ...... Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC - P acket Scheduler Miniport =========================================================================== =========================================================================== Active Routes: Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.100 20 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 20 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 1 Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1 =========================================================================== Persistent Routes: None I hope your talking about this. If you run the command netstat -r you will be displayed something like the above. The Default gateway (the router) will be displays. If you are talking about the internet IP (which I think you are) trry www.myip.dk that has been the best site for me. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 20:43:19 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:43:19 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Adam. I'm looking for a Linux solution and yes it is the internet IP address I'm looking for. I'd prefer a command or script rather than going to a website but thanks this is useful as a test. Jim > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > > without going into the routers configuration menu? > > Jim > > > Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] > (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. > > C:\Documents and Settings\Home>netcat -r > 'netcat' is not recognized as an internal or external command, > operable program or batch file. > > C:\Documents and Settings\Home>netstat -r > > Route Table > =========================================================================== > Interface List > 0x1 ........................... MS TCP Loopback interface > 0x2 ...00 50 bf 51 05 bc ...... Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC - P > acket Scheduler Miniport > =========================================================================== > =========================================================================== > Active Routes: > Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric > 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.100 20 > 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 1 > 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 > 192.168.1.100 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 20 > 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 > 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 20 > 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.100 192.168.1.100 1 > Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1 > =========================================================================== > Persistent Routes: > None > > I hope your talking about this. If you run the command netstat -r you > will be displayed something like the above. The Default gateway (the > router) will be displays. > > If you are talking about the internet IP (which I think you are) trry > www.myip.dk that has been the best site for me. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 20:47:37 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:47:37 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808999.4134.91.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:43:19 -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Adam. I'm looking for a Linux solution and yes it is the internet > IP address I'm looking for. I'd prefer a command or script rather than > going to a website but thanks this is useful as a test. > Jim In linux just run lynx myip.dk lynx is a command line browser. You'r IP will be displayed at the top. I use this a lot of the time In slackware 10. Hope I helped this time! - Adam Raymond- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 21:02:04 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:02:04 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking there must be an easier way. Jim > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:43:19 -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > Thanks Adam. I'm looking for a Linux solution and yes it is the internet > > IP address I'm looking for. I'd prefer a command or script rather than > > going to a website but thanks this is useful as a test. > > Jim > > In linux just run > > lynx myip.dk > > lynx is a command line browser. You'r IP will be displayed at the top. > I use this a lot of the time In slackware 10. > > Hope I helped this time! > > - Adam Raymond- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:59:24 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:59:24 +0200 (IST) Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: <20050207171029.GK31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050207171029.GK31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 02:40:18PM -0700, Adil Kodian wrote: >> this isnt any complex feature. >> >> you have a CDROM mounted with /var on it that is read-only. >> >> now you can create a ramdisk and mount it as /var (or whatever you need to >> be writable. >> >> it will overlay your existing /var and use the mounted /var. when you >> reboot, everything is lost. > > Hmm, in my experience, if you mount something on top of something else, > the something else is hidden until you unmount the new thing. Maybe > there are mount options to change that but I don't think it does so by > default. I could be wrong though. I haven't tried it in a while. That is correct. That's why I proposed for the something to be copied to the target by a script just before remunting it under /var. E.g. fsck /dev/hda7 && \ mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/tmphda7 && \ cp -dpr /var/* /mnt/tmphda7 && \ sync && \ umount /dev/hda7 && \ mount /dev/hda7 /var if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then echo -e "something went wrong: operator assistance required\a" read junk fi ## we won, do something Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 21:22:36 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:22:36 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107810124.4132.97.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > there must be an easier way. What system are you on ? On linux you don't need an external host to tell you who you are unless you run through a NAT firewall atyour premises or your isp's. Both lynx and, better, wget, can be used to obtain the source of a web page. wget is easier to use than lynx in this context. Is that host behind a NAT firewall ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 16:29:26 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:29:26 +0000 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107810124.4132.97.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 7, 2005 09:02 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > there must be an easier way. > Jim http://www.whatismyip.com/ or some php I came across a while ago that is said to do just this. I can't remember where I found it though... -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 21:42:27 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:42:27 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: try traceroute suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 garbage traceroute to garbage (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 0.405 ms 0.485 ms 0.411 ms suse1:~ # This gives me my routers dynamic ip (55.55.55.55) I don't know why, and it does not appear to de documented in the traceroute man page, but then I only skimmed though it. -- Ralph On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 PM, jim ruxton wrote: > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > without going into the routers configuration menu? > Jim > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 21:46:24 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:46:24 -0500 Subject: (Announce) Linux/Windows thin-client on USB key drive Message-ID: <20050207214624.GA19507@node1.opengeometry.net> I'm very pleased to announce Linux thin-client solution, http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html which boots/runs from 256MB USB key drive. It can turn any PC into thin-client for Windows and Linux server. (Yes, it connects to Windows server). -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 21:55:04 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:55:04 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4207E3B8.6060507@sympatico.ca> G. Matthew Rice wrote: >David J Patrick writes: > > >>I installed ubuntu, on my Thinkpad, and have been very happy with >>it. Unfortunately, as I was custom partitioning, I /forgot/ to create a swap >>partition. DOH ! I didn't even notice, for the longest time, but some apps >>(Inkscape) gets hungry for more than my available 384meg and crash le box ! >>What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked around parted, >>gk-parted, gparted, but honestly, I'm a little afraid.. >> >> > >You could just create a swapfile and use 'swapon' to use it. > > Done ! Thanks Matt ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:05:07 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:05:07 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1107813906.5384.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Ralph, My router doesn't have a hostname. If I just do : # traceroute -m 1 192.168.0.1 I just get: traceroute to 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), 1 hops max, 38 byte packets so it doesn't give it's internet IP address. If I use garbage in place of 192.168.0.1 I get an unknown hostname message. Jim > try traceroute > > suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 garbage > traceroute to garbage (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 192.168.1.1 0.405 ms 0.485 ms 0.411 ms > suse1:~ # > > This gives me my routers dynamic ip (55.55.55.55) > > I don't know why, and it does not appear to de documented in the > traceroute man page, but then I only skimmed though it. > > -- > Ralph > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 PM, jim ruxton wrote: > > > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > > without going into the routers configuration menu? > > Jim > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:06:26 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:06:26 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 16:22, Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > > there must be an easier way. > > What system are you on ? On linux you don't need an external host to > tell you who you are unless you run through a NAT firewall atyour > premises or your isp's. > > Both lynx and, better, wget, can be used to obtain the source of a web > page. wget is easier to use than lynx in this context. > > Is that host behind a NAT firewall ? Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. Jim > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:08:13 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:08:13 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <200502071629.27543.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <1107814093.5970.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:29, Jason Shein wrote: > On February 7, 2005 09:02 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > > there must be an easier way. > > Jim > http://www.whatismyip.com/ > > or some php I came across a while ago that is said to do just this. I can't > remember where I found it though... > > $domain = GetHostByName($REMOTE_ADDR); > print $domain; > ?> In this case what is the variable $REMOTE_ADDR ? Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:11:15 2005 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:11:15 -0500 Subject: (Announce) Linux/Windows thin-client on USB key drive In-Reply-To: <20050207214624.GA19507-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050207214624.GA19507@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4207E783.5050003@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > I'm very pleased to announce Linux thin-client solution, > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html > which boots/runs from 256MB USB key drive. It can turn any PC into > thin-client for Windows and Linux server. (Yes, it connects to Windows > server). > Would I be correct in assuming one needs a system running Slackware, to make this? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 17:16:04 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:16:04 +0000 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107814093.5970.110.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1107814093.5970.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502071716.04617.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 7, 2005 10:08 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:29, Jason Shein wrote: > > On February 7, 2005 09:02 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a > > > script. I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep > > > thinking there must be an easier way. > > > Jim > > > > http://www.whatismyip.com/ > > > > or some php I came across a while ago that is said to do just this. I > > can't remember where I found it though... > > > > > $domain = GetHostByName($REMOTE_ADDR); > > print $domain; > > ?> > > In this case what is the variable $REMOTE_ADDR ? > > Jim l try here http://www.geekuprising.com/get_your_ip_address_with_perl -snip- So. You want to find your external IP address for use in a perl script. This falls into the "simple things that should be easy" category, but the devil's in the details. I'll discuss a few scenarios, and give you some simple scripts that should help you if you're trying to do this behind a router / NAT setup. -snip- -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:17:01 2005 From: ralphmarkham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Markham) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:17:01 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107813906.5384.106.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813906.5384.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <16685e8ded336f09f5509240a1960116@rogers.com> my routers name is not garbage, garbage is a bogus name that hopefully will not be found. suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 bogusname traceroute to bogusname (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.1.1 0.404 ms 0.444 ms 0.410 ms suse1:~ # On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:05 PM, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Ralph, > My router doesn't have a hostname. If I just do : > # traceroute -m 1 192.168.0.1 > > I just get: > traceroute to 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), 1 hops max, 38 byte packets > > so it doesn't give it's internet IP address. > If I use garbage in place of 192.168.0.1 I get an unknown hostname > message. > Jim > >> try traceroute >> >> suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 garbage >> traceroute to garbage (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets >> 1 192.168.1.1 0.405 ms 0.485 ms 0.411 ms >> suse1:~ # >> >> This gives me my routers dynamic ip (55.55.55.55) >> >> I don't know why, and it does not appear to de documented in the >> traceroute man page, but then I only skimmed though it. >> >> -- >> Ralph >> >> On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 PM, jim ruxton wrote: >> >>> I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a >>> way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. >>> without going into the routers configuration menu? >>> Jim >>> >>> -- >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >>> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:29:04 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:29:04 -0500 Subject: (Announce) Linux/Windows thin-client on USB key drive In-Reply-To: <4207E783.5050003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050207214624.GA19507@node1.opengeometry.net> <4207E783.5050003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050207222904.GA19761@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:11:15PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > William Park wrote: > >I'm very pleased to announce Linux thin-client solution, > > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html > >which boots/runs from 256MB USB key drive. It can turn any PC into > >thin-client for Windows and Linux server. (Yes, it connects to Windows > >server). > > > > Would I be correct in assuming one needs a system running Slackware, to > make this? No. Here is what I do: 1. Insert Slackware (9.1/10.0) CD in cdrom. 2. Run shell script -- it will install onto USB key drive. 3. Run shell script -- it will install bootloader. 4. Run shell script -- it will build floppy bootdisk. End. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:34:53 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:34:53 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <16685e8ded336f09f5509240a1960116-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813906.5384.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <16685e8ded336f09f5509240a1960116@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1107815692.5385.113.camel@localhost.localdomain> > my routers name is not garbage, > > garbage is a bogus name that hopefully will not be found. Hmmm , this doesn't work for me. traceroute just complains that the host bogusname isn't found. Perhaps I have a different version of traceroute ? jim > > suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 bogusname > traceroute to bogusname (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 192.168.1.1 0.404 ms 0.444 ms 0.410 ms > suse1:~ # > > > > On Feb 7, 2005, at 5:05 PM, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Thanks Ralph, > > My router doesn't have a hostname. If I just do : > > # traceroute -m 1 192.168.0.1 > > > > I just get: > > traceroute to 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1), 1 hops max, 38 byte packets > > > > so it doesn't give it's internet IP address. > > If I use garbage in place of 192.168.0.1 I get an unknown hostname > > message. > > Jim > > > >> try traceroute > >> > >> suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 garbage > >> traceroute to garbage (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets > >> 1 192.168.1.1 0.405 ms 0.485 ms 0.411 ms > >> suse1:~ # > >> > >> This gives me my routers dynamic ip (55.55.55.55) > >> > >> I don't know why, and it does not appear to de documented in the > >> traceroute man page, but then I only skimmed though it. > >> > >> -- > >> Ralph > >> > >> On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:34 PM, jim ruxton wrote: > >> > >>> I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > >>> way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > >>> without going into the routers configuration menu? > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >>> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > >> > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:33:46 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:33:46 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Ralph Markham wrote: > try traceroute > > suse1:~ # traceroute -m 1 garbage > traceroute to garbage (55.55.55.55), 1 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 192.168.1.1 0.405 ms 0.485 ms 0.411 ms > suse1:~ # > > This gives me my routers dynamic ip (55.55.55.55) > > I don't know why, and it does not appear to de documented in the traceroute > man page, but then I only skimmed though it. But if you or your isp does nat then the remote will not know you by that ip. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:36:51 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:36:51 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107813986.5385.108.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: >> What system are you on ? On linux you don't need an external host to >> tell you who you are unless you run through a NAT firewall atyour >> premises or your isp's. >> >> Both lynx and, better, wget, can be used to obtain the source of a web >> page. wget is easier to use than lynx in this context. >> >> Is that host behind a NAT firewall ? > > Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. In that case, I think that getting an account with one of the dynip providers would help. They can, and will help you to obtain your current ip at each reconnect. The details vary but it can be done. You also get a name to use instead of typing numbers so maybe it solves the problem without solving it. i.e. the remote can refer to your machine by name and it doesn't need the ip at all. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:38:43 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:38:43 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107814093.5970.110.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1107814093.5970.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: >> > $domain = GetHostByName($REMOTE_ADDR); >> print $domain; >> ?> > In this case what is the variable $REMOTE_ADDR ? The script must run on a host outside your nat area (it can be a server in the dmz if you have one). $REMOTE_ADDR is the address of the querier in the cgi/php context where the php code runs. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:39:36 2005 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:39:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107813986.5385.108.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hey, I used to keep a few websites up and running on "unlimited dialup" accounts. The classic problem was that the ip address would change. Here's how I got around it. I'd keep the link to the websites up on a website with a permanent hostname etc. Back inside my LAN I ran a cronjob to check my ip address and when I'd find that it changed I'd ftp up the new link. We used to call this a "pirate" website ... somehow like the pirate radio stations that float around in ships and ... Step1: Place a simple cgi script up on some permanent well-known website you have access to. You can call that script and have it return back to you the ip address of your router. That script need only contain: #!/usr/bin/perl print "Content-type: text/html\n\n$ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}"; Step2: Call that script using "wget" or "lynx". Here's an example but you'd want to format the output from the cgi script to be something you are comfortable with parsing. I have used both Lynx and wget for automated/cron retrieval of stuff ... I prefer wget these days... wget http://www.specstock.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi Regards, ========================================================= | David Mayerlen | Upstart Associates | http://www.upstartx.com | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org | 416-424-6739 ========================================================= On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 16:22, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > > > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > > > there must be an easier way. > > > > What system are you on ? On linux you don't need an external host to > > tell you who you are unless you run through a NAT firewall atyour > > premises or your isp's. > > > > Both lynx and, better, wget, can be used to obtain the source of a web > > page. wget is easier to use than lynx in this context. > > > > Is that host behind a NAT firewall ? > > Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. > Jim > > > > Peter > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:40:43 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:40:43 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <200502071716.04617.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1107814093.5970.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071716.04617.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <1107816043.4132.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Jason, This article says I have to run a script on a machine in a box outside my router ie. on the net and a script on my box within the router's domain. I think parsing the results from myip.dk will be simpler. Also if I can get traceroute to work it will simplify things. Jim > On February 7, 2005 10:08 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 11:29, Jason Shein wrote: > > > On February 7, 2005 09:02 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > > > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a > > > > script. I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep > > > > thinking there must be an easier way. > > > > Jim > > > > > > http://www.whatismyip.com/ > > > > > > or some php I came across a while ago that is said to do just this. I > > > can't remember where I found it though... > > > > > > > > $domain = GetHostByName($REMOTE_ADDR); > > > print $domain; > > > ?> > > > > In this case what is the variable $REMOTE_ADDR ? > > > > Jim > l > try here > > http://www.geekuprising.com/get_your_ip_address_with_perl > > -snip- > > So. You want to find your external IP address for use in a perl script. This > falls into the "simple things that should be easy" category, but the devil's > in the details. I'll discuss a few scenarios, and give you some simple > scripts that should help you if you're trying to do this behind a router / > NAT setup. > > -snip- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:44:52 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:44:52 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4207EF64.5090008@istop.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. > > > In that case, I think that getting an account with one of the dynip > providers would help. Heh, if there is possibility to get out at least: just ping me and call by phone, and I will let you know what your IP is ;) Actually, better call first and after that try perhaps http ;) Not an automatic method but may work if I am at home ;) zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 22:55:48 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:55:48 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <4207EF64.5090008-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4207EF64.5090008@istop.com> Message-ID: <1107816948.5384.121.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Zb. I can get my IP address via. myip.dk just trying to automate it. Very generous of you though. Jim > Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > >> Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. > > > > > > In that case, I think that getting an account with one of the dynip > > providers would help. > > Heh, if there is possibility to get out at least: just ping me and call > by phone, and I will let you know what your IP is ;) > > Actually, better call first and after that try perhaps http ;) > > Not an automatic method but may work if I am at home ;) > > zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:01:32 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:01:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 > From: jim ruxton > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: getting IP address of router > > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > without going into the routers configuration menu? ip=$(wget -O - http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi 2>/dev/null) Or: ip=$(lynx -dump http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi) Or probably something similar with curl. Or use bash socket programming to do the same thing (I haven't tried it, but it should work): exec 3<>/dev/tcp/cfaj.freeshell.org/80 etc.... -- Chris F.A. Johnson cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org ================================================================= bq933-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org http://members.rogers.com/c.f.a.johnson c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:10:55 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:10:55 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107816948.5384.121.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4207EF64.5090008@istop.com> <1107816948.5384.121.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4207F57F.40804@istop.com> jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Zb. I can get my IP address via. myip.dk just trying to automate > it. Very generous of you though. Jim, no problem at all. I wonder, perhaps we could go more personal with that Internet? I wonder should I not open (a free, of course) business like that myip.dk, but by unswering phone calls? What a potential for getting contacts with people! zb. > Jim > >>Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >>>>Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. >>> >>> >>>In that case, I think that getting an account with one of the dynip >>>providers would help. >> >>Heh, if there is possibility to get out at least: just ping me and call >>by phone, and I will let you know what your IP is ;) >> >>Actually, better call first and after that try perhaps http ;) >> >>Not an automatic method but may work if I am at home ;) >> >>zb. > -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:15:23 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:15:23 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1107818122.5970.142.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi David, Thanks a lot for the info.Nice to hear from you. I'll probably use someone like dyndns.org eventually but just fooling around now and yes what you described is what I'm trying to do. I think I'll write something that parses the output of # wget myip.dk Shouldn't be too difficult. jim > Hey, > > I used to keep a few websites up and running on "unlimited dialup" > accounts. The classic problem was that the ip address would change. Here's > how I got around it. I'd keep the link to the websites up on a website > with a permanent hostname etc. Back inside my LAN I ran a cronjob to check > my ip address and when I'd find that it changed I'd ftp up the new link. > > We used to call this a "pirate" website ... somehow like the pirate radio > stations that float around in ships and ... > > Step1: > > Place a simple cgi script up on some permanent well-known website you > have access to. You can call that script and have it return back to you > the ip address of your router. > > That script need only contain: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > print "Content-type: text/html\n\n$ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}"; > > Step2: > > Call that script using "wget" or "lynx". Here's an example but you'd want > to format the output from the cgi script to be something you are > comfortable with parsing. I have used both Lynx and wget for > automated/cron retrieval of stuff ... I prefer wget these days... > > wget http://www.specstock.com/cgi-bin/ip.cgi > > Regards, > > ========================================================= > | David Mayerlen > | Upstart Associates > | http://www.upstartx.com > | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org > | 416-424-6739 > ========================================================= > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 16:22, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > > > > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > > > > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > > > > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > > > > there must be an easier way. > > > > > > What system are you on ? On linux you don't need an external host to > > > tell you who you are unless you run through a NAT firewall atyour > > > premises or your isp's. > > > > > > Both lynx and, better, wget, can be used to obtain the source of a web > > > page. wget is easier to use than lynx in this context. > > > > > > Is that host behind a NAT firewall ? > > > > Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. > > Jim > > > > > > Peter > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:22:39 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 18:22:39 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1107818559.5592.146.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Chris. Along the same line.. http://www.networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/tools/check_ip.html Jim > On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 > > From: jim ruxton > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: [TLUG]: getting IP address of router > > > > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > > without going into the routers configuration menu? > > > ip=$(wget -O - http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi 2>/dev/null) > > Or: > > ip=$(lynx -dump http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi) > > > Or probably something similar with curl. > > > Or use bash socket programming to do the same thing (I haven't tried > it, but it should work): > > exec 3<>/dev/tcp/cfaj.freeshell.org/80 > > etc.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:09:45 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:09:45 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <4207EF64.5090008-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107813986.5385.108.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4207EF64.5090008@istop.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >>> Yes that is my problem. I am behind the NAT firewall. >> >> >> In that case, I think that getting an account with one of the dynip >> providers would help. > > Heh, if there is possibility to get out at least: just ping me and call by > phone, and I will let you know what your IP is ;) > > Actually, better call first and after that try perhaps http ;) > > Not an automatic method but may work if I am at home ;) I understand you are joking, but why ? dynip etc can 'detect' your new ip from a simple message sent to it from a new session and thereafter the entire internet can access 'him' by his proper name. What he is trying to do can be construed as being doing-reverse-dns-without-dns, and even if it will work, it will be a hack. He does not say what he needs it for but if he needs it so much then the relevant data could be obtained from the router. A linux router can be set up to serve a web page (or finger etc) that dumps a nat table to anyone who requests it from the inside. If not a linux router, then the router software has an equivalent data page in its setup, via web interface, or telnet. Why is is necessary to invent a new way to do this ? Worse, if the nat firewall does 'internet connection sharing' then using certain services to/from the outside may have interesting consequences (what is the default policy for such a connection for an incoming request ?) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 7 23:42:14 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:42:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107818559.5592.146.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1107818559.5592.146.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Chris. Along the same line.. > http://www.networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/tools/check_ip.html Incidentally, ipaddr.cgi contains: #!/bin/sh printf "Content-type: text/plain\n\n" printf "%s\n" "$REMOTE_ADDR" >> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: >> >>> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 >>> From: jim ruxton >>> Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>> Subject: [TLUG]: getting IP address of router >>> >>> I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a >>> way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. >>> without going into the routers configuration menu? >> >> >> ip=$(wget -O - http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi 2>/dev/null) >> >> Or: >> >> ip=$(lynx -dump http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi) >> >> >> Or probably something similar with curl. >> >> >> Or use bash socket programming to do the same thing (I haven't tried >> it, but it should work): >> >> exec 3<>/dev/tcp/cfaj.freeshell.org/80 >> >> etc.... > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Chris F.A. Johnson cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org ================================================================= bq933-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org http://members.rogers.com/c.f.a.johnson c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 00:10:46 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:10:46 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20050207174623.GL31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200502071910.46868.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 07 February 2005 12:46, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=512 > mkswap /swapfile > add swapfile to fstab the same way you would a partition for swap. The > performance difference is minimal as far as I know. I expect DP is using a journalled file system (ext3 or reiserfs). I expect that if he got into heavy swap usage, journalling the swapfile might slow things down even more. Odds are that he won't run into that though. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 00:29:20 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:29:20 -0500 Subject: howto enable a linux RAID1 on an existing Linux system? Message-ID: <420807E0.2090907@knet.ca> If so, is there a HOWTO? I have looked around, but most assume your starting from new drives ie from scratch. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 00:28:49 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:28:49 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <4207A78B.2070204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200502071928.49198.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 07 February 2005 12:38, David J Patrick wrote: > le box ! What's the sane way to resize my home partition ? I've poked IMO, the best way is to use LVM ;-) Probably you could backup /home to other partitions where there is space, resize /home partition (fdisk) and then create a swap partition in the newly freed space. Format the new /home and swap, restore, continue ... there might be tools that automate this (partition magic I expect, and I'm sure some free stuff). For future iterations I would suggest that you use LVM partitions. My home system looks like this: /dev/mapper/vg0-root 960M 184M 726M 21% / /dev/md0 118M 25M 88M 22% /boot /dev/mapper/vg0-home 15G 12G 3.8G 75% /home /dev/mapper/vg0-tmp 960M 82M 827M 10% /tmp /dev/mapper/vg0-usr 5.0G 4.0G 789M 84% /usr /dev/mapper/vg0-var 30G 19G 9.5G 67% /var /dev/mapper/vg0-backups 30G 19G 9.3G 68% /var/backups /dev/mapper/vg0-opt 496M 280M 192M 60% /opt Start with logical volumes at the size you expect to use (not significantly larger) then grow the LVs as you need to. Eventually I expect my /var/backups partition will grow beyond 30G at which time all I'll need to do is: - umount /var/backups - fsck /dev/vg0/backups - lvresize -L50G /dev/vg0/backups - resize2fs /dev/vg0/backups - mount /var/backups Reiserfs supposedly supports online resizing (anyone tried it?), had I used that (supposedly) I could resize my filesystem without even unmounting. My swap is also a logical volume so if I wanted more swap I could follow the same procedure (swapoff, lvresize, mkswap, swapon) or just create a second swap LV. I don't see myself running out of space for quite a while, my volume group has 28GB unallocated, when I eventually use that up I have another 40GB of RAIDed space that I can add to the volume group ... all of that space can be tacked onto the logical volumes that need it, trivially. My point is that it's good leave extra space unallocated until you find out where you need it ... often some time long after install. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 00:44:27 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:44:27 -0500 Subject: Looking to sell my 8 node AMD CPU cluster Message-ID: <42080B6B.7060101@rogers.com> Greetings all, [Well, I guess the list doesn't like attachments ;) This will be my third attempt to send, and I've left out the attachments, which were a 60kb jpg pic of the cluster, and the dmesg output from both types of systems.] I'm thinking of selling the 8 node cluster I've got in my basement. They're just diskless workstations, 256 MB of RAM, floppy, plenty of fans to keep 'em cool, nice slim cases, and all backed up with 2 UPS: -AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ (1800 MHz): Quantity 4 -AMD Sempron(tm) 2400+ (1679 MHz): Quantity 4 -APC Back-UPS XS 800: Quantity 2 -100 Mbps switch: Quantity 1 -10 Mbps hub: Quantity 1 -plus all connecting cables (power cables, power bars, 1m Cat5 RJ45 cables) Both types are overclockable. Please feel free to let other folks know. Everything works great, I've just got different priorities now. I'm a reasonable guy, serious offers only please. Regards, Byron Sonne [Email me off list and I'll send you the cluster pic and the dmesg from the two types of systems.] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 01:14:04 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:04 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <200502071928.49198.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <200502071928.49198.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200502072014.04589.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 07 February 2005 19:28, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Reiserfs supposedly supports online resizing (anyone tried it?), had I used > that (supposedly) I could resize my filesystem without even unmounting. My From what I read reiserfs resizing should be done with a remount option, something like "mount -o remount,resize=20000 /mnt" however it doesn't work for me (Debian sarge). OTOH, "xfs_growfs /mnt" works like a charm, in fact from xfs refuses to resize *unless* your filesystem is mounted (an interesting twist). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 04:59:46 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 23:59:46 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42084742.6010101@truxtar.com> jim ruxton wrote: > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > without going into the routers configuration menu? > Jim I don't know if this applies to Netgear routers, but my Linksys router reports IP changes via the SNMP protocol. Perhaps doing a google search on "netgear router SNMP" will show you whether this is possible. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 05:10:49 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:10:49 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <42084742.6010101-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42084742.6010101@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <420849D9.5030404@truxtar.com> Anton Markov wrote: > jim ruxton wrote: > >> I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a >> way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. >> without going into the routers configuration menu? Jim > > > I don't know if this applies to Netgear routers, but my Linksys router > reports IP changes via the SNMP protocol. Perhaps doing a google search > on "netgear router SNMP" will show you whether this is possible. > hmm, the GPG signature was wrong on that message. weird -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 06:35:59 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 01:35:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: AVP Project? Message-ID: The TLUG meeting tonight is described: Scott Elcomb will talks to us about running an open source project, the use of open source in business and the AVP Project (formerly Project Avalon). My superficial googling leads me to no hints about what the AVP project might be. Can anyone explain what this project is about? A URL would be welcome. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 06:37:41 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 06:37:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050208063551.K40483@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > The TLUG meeting tonight is described: > > Scott Elcomb will talks to us about running an open source > project, the use of open source in business and the AVP > Project (formerly Project Avalon). > > My superficial googling leads me to no hints about what the AVP > project might be. It is (one of) the successor(s) to Project Avalon, which was an Apache project from about 1998 to 2004. I also Googled on AVP at one stage and found many links to "Alien vs Predator". Yay. :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 09:11:12 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:11:12 +0000 Subject: howto enable a linux RAID1 on an existing Linux system? In-Reply-To: <420807E0.2090907-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <420807E0.2090907@knet.ca> Message-ID: <200502080911.12501.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 8, 2005 12:29 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > If so, is there a HOWTO? > I have looked around, but most assume your starting from new drives ie > from scratch. > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml google works for me. do a search for this raid1 linux "existing system" howto comes up with lots of information. There's a good description here https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/msg00173.html -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 14:14:44 2005 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:14:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <20050208063551.K40483-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050208063551.K40483@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > > The TLUG meeting tonight is described: > > > > Scott Elcomb will talks to us about running an open source > > project, the use of open source in business and the AVP > > Project (formerly Project Avalon). > > > > My superficial googling leads me to no hints about what the AVP > > project might be. > > It is (one of) the successor(s) to Project Avalon, which was an Apache > project from about 1998 to 2004. I also Googled on AVP at one stage and > found many links to "Alien vs Predator". Yay. > :) I found something to indicate that its some sort of anti-virus thing. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway B.Sc. > Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. > Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net > OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. > Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 14:29:57 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:29:57 -0500 Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4208CCE5.3020806@sympatico.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >My superficial googling leads me to no hints about what the AVP >project might be. > >Can anyone explain what this project is about? A URL would be >welcome. > > The artist formerly known as Avalon. clues found at http://psema4.gotdns.com/ djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 14:50:27 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:50:27 -0500 Subject: swapless in Toronto In-Reply-To: <200502071910.46868.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4207A78B.2070204@sympatico.ca> <20050207174623.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200502071910.46868.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20050208145027.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 07:10:46PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I expect DP is using a journalled file system (ext3 or reiserfs). I expect > that if he got into heavy swap usage, journalling the swapfile might slow > things down even more. Odds are that he won't run into that though. Well reiserfs 4 might be an issue, although reiserfs3 and ext3 (in default ordered mode) only journal meta data and given how the kernel accesses the swap file there should be no meta data updates happening. I suspect the kernel in general treats swapfiles specially and not as regular file opens (since it is the kernel that has it open, not an application, so regular file access rules need not apply). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 14:56:13 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:56:13 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808999.4134.91.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050208145613.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 03:43:19PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Adam. I'm looking for a Linux solution and yes it is the internet > IP address I'm looking for. I'd prefer a command or script rather than > going to a website but thanks this is useful as a test. Only someone outside receiving your connection and your router itself, have any way to detect the ip you are using. After all the router never uses the outside IP when talking to you. Writing a script to parse a simple webpage is really rather simple for detecting it, although simplest would be if the router had a webpage (or even a simple port you could connect to) that just gave you the ip as a string. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 15:01:20 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:01:20 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107810124.4132.97.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 04:02:04PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks again Adam. I didn't have Lynx, guess it doesn't come with > Fedora. I installed it and this works, thanks. What I'd like to easily > be able to do is grab my internet IP address and pass it on to a script. > I guess I could parse what comes back from myip.dk but I keep thinking > there must be an easier way. dog http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.*IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' Is that easy enough? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 15:02:44 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:44 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107816043.4132.118.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071629.27543.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1107814093.5970.110.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502071716.04617.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1107816043.4132.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050208150244.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:40:43PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > This article says I have to run a script on a machine in a box outside > my router ie. on the net and a script on my box within the router's > domain. I think parsing the results from myip.dk will be simpler. Also > if I can get traceroute to work it will simplify things. Actually traceroute wouldn't help you since it only shows the ip of each device you pass that is facing you, so in your case only the internal ip of your router, the ip of your router's default gateway. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 15:54:05 2005 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:54:05 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050208105405.3fc03426.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 jim ruxton disseminated the following: > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > without going into the routers configuration menu? I use this Python script to update my dynamic IP, it has this bit in it, sounds like it may be useful/helpful to you: def Devices(): print print "The script will locate the address of your router automatically by " print "looking at the default route of the machine you are running on. " print "Then it will read the status page for the external IP address " print "and use that for updates. You need to specify the admin password " print "with the appropriate option. " print print " -A password Askey or Dynalink RTA210/110 password" print " -B password New Barricade with password on port 88" print " -F password SMC Barricade 2401 password " print " -L password Linksys (BEFSR41) NAT router password " print " -N password Netgear (RT311) NAT router password " print " -8 password Netgear (MR814) wireless router password " print " -D password Draytek (Vigor2000) NAT router password " print " -O password Netopia (R9100) NAT router password " print " -P password MacSense XRouter Pro password " print " -H password HawkingTech router password " print " -W password Watchguard SOHO NAT firewall password " print " -Y password Cayman DSL 3220H NAT router password " print " -Q pword,iface password and interface for Instant Internet " print " -2 password Compaq iPAQ Connection Point CP-2W password " Link: http://zoneclient.sourceforge.net/ Looks like it will access the status page of your router and output your external IP without bouncing off of a Web page like http://checkip.dyndns.org/. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:46:19 up 36 days, 23:27, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.00 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power" -- Benito Mussolini -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 16:17:31 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:17:31 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: <20050204225751.GA2801-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204213526.GA2453@node1.opengeometry.net> <4203F392.8070006@utoronto.ca> <20050204225751.GA2801@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4208E61B.30803@utoronto.ca> >For completeness and for educational purpose, there are 2 standard ways: > - Use 'initrd'. Let it fall through the boot process, and mount it > on /var. > - Use 'tmpfs'. Right after kernel mounts /var, populate it with > stuffs from /clean-var. >I'm currently using 'initrd' because it doesn't require modification of >bootup scripts, so it works with any Linux distro. It's a bit messy to >build and maintain, though. 'tmpfs' is cleaner, but it requires custom >script very early in the boot process. On Slackware, it's no problem; >on other distro, however, it's not that easy. > > > Are you reinventing the wheel for enjoyment or self-education? If not, I'd suggest that you take a look at some of the very good distros out there that have already done this work for you. Of course, the most known is Knoppix, but if you want to really push knoppix to where it could really go - to make it modular and extensible, you should really take a close look at morphix. If your heart is really set on slackware, you should look at slax. Both of these (morphix and slax) also have lots of information on their websites about using their distro as a "kit" to build your own custom distro for your own special needs. Summarizing: - morphix is based on knoppix which is based on debian - slax is based on slackware. Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 16:18:20 2005 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 11:18:20 -0500 Subject: Filesystem overlay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4208E64C.7020407@utoronto.ca> Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Adil Kodian wrote: > >> but i doubt if it is as easy as specifying the right commands to mount - >> atleast i couldnt get it with a simple google. A simple solution is to >> create many 1mb tmpfs partitions in RAM that can be mounted as any >> folder >> under /var - tmpfs dynamically resize these partitions in memory >> depending >> on utilization. You must remember, this requires a significant amount of >> ram. A better solution is to put in a dummy 10 or 20 gig hard drive, >> and get >> the OS on the liveCD to reformat (and if needed -repartition) the >> hard drive >> on every boot to create writable disk partitions for every install. >> Depending on your system this can be really fast if you use reiserfs. >> This >> is somewhat a hybrid between a full liveCD and a full install. > > > What would it take to have a script copy /var from cdrom into the > partition on hdd at boot time, then mount this /var partition onto the > /var from cdrom, thus shadowing it. > Well considering William is working on a system that runs without hdd, it would take quite a lot... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 16:38:04 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:38:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <4208CCE5.3020806-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4208CCE5.3020806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: | From: David J Patrick | The artist formerly known as Avalon. clues found at http://psema4.gotdns.com/ | djp Curiouser and curiouser. That site says that it is "Temporarily Down". The Avalon byebye page does not list AVP: http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 17:12:58 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 17:12:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: References: <4208CCE5.3020806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050208171209.V43718@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: David J Patrick > > | The artist formerly known as Avalon. clues found at http://psema4.gotdns.com/ > | djp > > Curiouser and curiouser. That site says that it is "Temporarily > Down". > > The Avalon byebye page does not list AVP: > http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html I think that is temporary. http://psema4.gotdns.com is maintainced by this evening's speaker I believe. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 17:44:34 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:44:34 -0500 Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <20050208171209.V43718-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <4208CCE5.3020806@sympatico.ca> <20050208171209.V43718@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <99a6c38f050208094455646010@mail.gmail.com> > > | The artist formerly known as Avalon. clues found at http://psema4.gotdns.com/ That is the correct site. :-) > > Curiouser and curiouser. That site says that it is "Temporarily > > Down". Unfortunately this is true. There is much in the works at the moment - I finally finished getting moved into the GTA yesterday. > > The Avalon byebye page does not list AVP: > > http://avalon.apache.org/closed.html There were several name conflicts which, in part, sparked the change to the AVP Project. This project is in no way related to either of the Apache or Microsoft projects by the name Avalon. The rest will have to wait for this evening. ;-) -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 17:47:57 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:47:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f050208094455646010-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f050208094455646010@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, psema4 wrote: > There were several name conflicts which, in part, sparked the change > to the AVP Project. This project is in no way related to either of > the Apache or Microsoft projects by the name Avalon. > > The rest will have to wait for this evening. ;-) A sentence or two of explanation *now* might increase the size of your audience tonight. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 17:55:19 2005 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:55:19 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router Message-ID: Lennart et al I've a page at my web site that returns both a heading with IP and body with IP too, if that helps. I use it for a couple of apps to get an IP, very easy to parse http://www.desktopsolutioncenter.ca/readip.shtml Help yourself if you want to use. There are likely hundreds of these out there that will read you your external IP back without anything else D Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca (Sent via Blackberry) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug at ss.org To: tlug at ss.org Sent: Tue Feb 08 09:56:13 2005 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: getting IP address of router On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 03:43:19PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Adam. I'm looking for a Linux solution and yes it is the internet > IP address I'm looking for. I'd prefer a command or script rather than > going to a website but thanks this is useful as a test. Only someone outside receiving your connection and your router itself, have any way to detect the ip you are using. After all the router never uses the outside IP when talking to you. Writing a script to parse a simple webpage is really rather simple for detecting it, although simplest would be if the router had a webpage (or even a simple port you could connect to) that just gave you the ip as a string. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 18:39:06 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:39:06 -0500 Subject: How's Gordon ? Message-ID: <4209074A.1000309@sympatico.ca> One of our number is in the shop for repairs; Anybody know when he'll be back in service ? Can we send him service packs ? eye candy ? have his motherboard dusted ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 19:19:14 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:19:14 -0500 Subject: Synaptic, with errors on the side ! Message-ID: <420910B2.1040907@sympatico.ca> I'm running ubuntu "Hoary" and while upgrading, via Synaptic, a critical error flashes past. I /hate/ those ! how come I never get "unimportant errors" ? as seen in terminal output of synaptic; =============== Setting up gnome-system-monitor (2.9.91-0ubuntu1) ... ** (process:18091): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed ** (process:18091): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed ** (process:18091): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed =============== and it moves on to other, non-broken stuff. "egg_desktop_entries" cracked ? will I have to use the shell ? yolks on me ? is my system souffle ? omletting it bug me ! can someone help me keep the sunny side up ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 8 21:11:46 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:11:46 -0500 Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: References: <99a6c38f050208094455646010@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f05020813116b932936@mail.gmail.com> In essence (and this is far from complete...) the original aim was to present my vision of a new, modern, open source MULTICS over the web. Unfortunately there is little opportunity for me to expand on this much at the moment (as I am at work), but I will try to clarify further this evening. - Scott. On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:47:57 -0500 (EST), Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, psema4 wrote: > > There were several name conflicts which, in part, sparked the change > > to the AVP Project. This project is in no way related to either of > > the Apache or Microsoft projects by the name Avalon. > > > > The rest will have to wait for this evening. ;-) > > A sentence or two of explanation *now* might increase the size of your > audience tonight. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 06:20:51 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:20:51 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502090120.52018.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 07 February 2005 18:01, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > ip=$(wget -O - http://cfaj.freeshell.org/ipaddr.cgi 2>/dev/null) All web based solutions count on non-proxied http connections, if you are using an ISP proxy then the web based test is unlikely to work. Looking at a script that I wrote a few years ago for keeping my dyndns.org address up to date they were using port 8245 for connections ... that port is unlikely to be proxied. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 10:21:57 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:21:57 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <200502080911.12501.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200502080911.12501.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20050209102205.2F57BA90@fep6.cogeco.net> Will Linux 9.0 work with Compaq Prolinar Server 6500. If so, Are there drivers available Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Shein Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:11 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: howto enable a linux RAID1 on an existing Linux system? On February 8, 2005 12:29 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > If so, is there a HOWTO? > I have looked around, but most assume your starting from new drives ie > from scratch. > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How > to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml google works for me. do a search for this raid1 linux "existing system" howto comes up with lots of information. There's a good description here https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/msg00173.html -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 14:00:28 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:00:28 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating Message-ID: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> Hey All, Just a quick question for you...I was wondering how safe it is to do the Automatic updating of the kernel using the "Uptodate" utility. I tried it a while back using Red Hat 7.something and it took me quite a while to recover from the whole experience...so basic question...can I upgrade the kernel using that utility or should I seek alternate methods. Thanks, Brian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 15:38:48 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:38:48 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <20050209102205.2F57BA90-pOji+tCLhXjYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502080911.12501.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20050209102205.2F57BA90@fep6.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <20050209153847.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:21:57AM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > Will Linux 9.0 work with Compaq Prolinar Server 6500. > If so, Are there drivers available There is no such thing as "Linux 9.0" or at least anyone naming a product that would be incredibly stupid. Also, go check what hardware is in a Compaq Prolinea 6500, and then ask if that hardware is supported. Or better yet, do a google search on linux and that model and see what experience other people have had with it. Compaq's have been notorious for requiring explicit memory maps passed on the kernel boot command line for all the memory to be detected. It seems they just haven't ever managed to make a bios that worked by the standards. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 15:45:08 2005 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:45:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Information Rights Salon - Wed Feb 9, 2005 (fwd) Message-ID: At last night's meeting, I mentioned that there was an Information Rights Salon today. Here are the details. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:17:31 -0500 To: Info Rights mailing list Subject: Information Rights Salon - Wed Feb 9, 2005 INFORMATION RIGHT SALON http://www.fis.utoronto.ca/research/inforights The following event is co-sponsored by the Faculty of Information Studies and the Information Rights Salon. The Meta-Technologies of Information: The Shared Spaces of Genetic and Digital Technologies PROFESSOR SANDRA BRAMAN University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Wednesday, February 9, 2005 SPECIAL TIME: 4:00-5:30pm Location: 140 St. George Street, Room 728 Faculty of Information Studies (Bissell Building, adjacent to Robarts Library) University of Toronto Attendance is free of charge and there is NO need for registration ABSTRACT: Biotechnology and digital information technology are both meta-technologies, qualitatively different from tools and industrial technologies because they so vastly multiply the degrees of freedom with which inputs can be transformed into outputs. These two types of meta-technologies also share social, cultural, political, economic, and legal spaces. As they come together in the most recent phase of the convergence of technologies -- in the various forms of bioinformatics, DNA computing, the cyborg, and on -- these meta-technologies also now share physical spaces and organic processes. Examining these two meta-technologies together suggests implications of and analytical approaches to each that might not otherwise be apparent. This presentation will explore the commonalities between biotechnology and digital information technology, with an emphasis on what such a comparison contributes to our understanding of human and computer information collection, processing, flows, and use. To see Prof. Sandra Braman's bio go to http://www.uwm.edu/~braman/bio.html To sign-up for the Information Rights Salon announcement email list see our website http://fis.utoronto.ca/research/inforights The Information Rights Salon is sponsored by the Knowledge Media Design Institute (KMDI) http://kmdi.utoronto.ca/ and the Information Policy Research Project (IPRP) http://fis.utoronto.ca/research/iprp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 15:41:33 2005 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:41:33 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <20050209153847.GS31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050209153847.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209154809.487756DCF4@lethe.ss.org> Ere is something that may help you a little more, If by saying Linux 9.0 you are referring to Red Hat 9 then you can check RED Hat's hardware compatibility list by manufacturer & model to see what is supported and what devices may not be on that specific box. Here is the url for Red Hat HCL http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ . One other thing to note if we are talking about Red Hat version ( is now EOL (end of life) so there is no longer rpm updates available from Red Hat for support. You may use third party or community rpms however you are basically on your own unless you want to buy support from Progeny for that. Google is also your friend if you are using a different distro, also check with that distro's wiki or mailing lists or IRC channels for others using the same hardware to get additional info. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart Sorensen Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:39 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:21:57AM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > Will Linux 9.0 work with Compaq Prolinar Server 6500. > If so, Are there drivers available There is no such thing as "Linux 9.0" or at least anyone naming a product that would be incredibly stupid. Also, go check what hardware is in a Compaq Prolinea 6500, and then ask if that hardware is supported. Or better yet, do a google search on linux and that model and see what experience other people have had with it. Compaq's have been notorious for requiring explicit memory maps passed on the kernel boot command line for all the memory to be detected. It seems they just haven't ever managed to make a bios that worked by the standards. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 15:47:41 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:47:41 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <200502090900.29124.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> Brian K. Garel wrote: > Hey All, > > Just a quick question for you...I was wondering how safe it is to do the > Automatic updating of the kernel using the "Uptodate" utility. I tried it a > while back using Red Hat 7.something and it took me quite a while to recover > from the whole experience...so basic question...can I upgrade the kernel > using that utility or should I seek alternate methods. > > Thanks, > Brian You mean 'up2date'? If so, I've been using it a lot for years to do kernel upgrades. I went to FC1 as soon as it came out (RH8&9 were... *shudder*). I have yet (touch wood) to have a problem with the new kernel but still to be safe I left the old, working kernel in place "just in case". Sometimes I find the 'up2date' servers congested and I have also started using 'apt-get' (there's a Fedora X version on 'http://freshrpms.net') to do a lot of the upgrades, including the kernel. If your machine has X then install 'apt-get', go to the shell (as root) and type: # apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get install synaptic && synaptic & That will update your local information on what 'apt-get' can get. '-y' tells it to assume "yes" to all questions and 'dist-upgrade' tells it to run "smart-upgrade" (more aggressive at solving dependancy issues. If you are uncomfortable, use 'upgrade' instead of '-y dist-upgrade'). 'install synaptic' does just that, installs the 'synaptic' graphical front end for 'apt-get'. Finally, launch 'synaptic'. When Synaptic runs for the first time it will ask if you want to run in "Smart Mode", this is the same as 'dist-upgrade'. In the GUI I would recommend it because you will have a chance to confirm any changes before they happen. To upgrade the kernel in Synaptic simply search for packages with 'kernel' in the name and choose those you want to install. hth, Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 16:43:06 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:43:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f05020813116b932936-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f050208094455646010@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f05020813116b932936@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050209164225.V43718@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, psema4 wrote: > In essence (and this is far from complete...) the original aim was to > present my vision of a new, modern, open source MULTICS over the web. So how did the talk go (I could not attend unfortunately) and what is this about Multics? :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ulf.kellermann-IcexAN+8CcBBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 16:47:54 2005 From: ulf.kellermann-IcexAN+8CcBBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ulf Kellermann ExaEcon Inc) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:47:54 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <20050209102205.2F57BA90-pOji+tCLhXjYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050209102205.2F57BA90@fep6.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <200502091147.54886.ulf.kellermann@exaecon.com> I installed different versions of SuSe (Versions 7.x, 8.x and 9.0) on different Compaq Servers without major problems. Ulf On Wednesday 09 February 2005 05:21, James Mendez wrote: > Will Linux 9.0 work with Compaq Prolinar Server 6500. > If so, Are there drivers available > > Thanks > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Shein > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:11 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: howto enable a linux RAID1 on an existing Linux > system? > > On February 8, 2005 12:29 am, Teddy Mills wrote: > > If so, is there a HOWTO? > > I have looked around, but most assume your starting from new drives ie > > from scratch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How > > to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > google works for me. > > do a search for this raid1 linux "existing system" howto > > comes up with lots of information. > > There's a good description here > https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-list/2003-July/msg00173.html > > > > -- > Jason Shein > Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks > jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 > Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 16:57:12 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:57:12 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <200502090900.29124.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <420A40E8.20001@interlog.com> Brian K. Garel wrote: >Just a quick question for you...I was wondering how safe it is to do the >Automatic updating of the kernel using the "Uptodate" utility. > If you are getting the update from the main Fedora Core repository or an official mirror you should have no problem. I have download new kernels several times on my FC3 machine with no problems. The only problem I have had with up2date has been it usually appearing to hang while doing dependency checks when there are a large number (around 50 to 100) of packages available for update. I only find I run in to that situation just after a new install. The easy solution to that problem is to do the update by invoking yum from a command line instead of using up2date. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 17:15:14 2005 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:15:14 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050204132201.GA31227-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> William O'Higgins wrote: >I get to deal with text files from Windoze and Mac sources on a regular >basis, and frequently they are filled with junk characters. > Fixing line endings (ie. removing ^M or changing ^M to ^J) can be done using the 'tr' command. It could also be used to remove your other unwanted characters if you knew what they were or just gave it a list of what you want to remove. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 17:30:36 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:30:36 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <420A4522.5080403-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> Message-ID: <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:15:14PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > Fixing line endings (ie. removing ^M or changing ^M to ^J) can be done > using the 'tr' command. It could also be used to remove your other > unwanted characters if you knew what they were or just gave it a list of > what you want to remove. And of course dos2unix is a handy utility too. Not that it does anything tr doesn't already do. Just less arguments required when running it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 17:43:10 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:43:10 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050208150119.GQ31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Lennart, > > dog http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.*IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > Your kidding right? Is there really a dog command? I don't have one. Jim > Is that easy enough? > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 17:48:38 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:48:38 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107970989.6186.128.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <420A4CF6.1070809@sympatico.ca> jim ruxton wrote: >Thanks Lennart, > > > >>dog http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.*IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' >> >> >> >Your kidding right? Is there really a dog command? I don't have one. >Jim > I have "cat", use a mouse, but no "dog" You're not dyslexic, are you Lennart ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 18:17:45 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:17:45 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050208105405.3fc03426.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208105405.3fc03426.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1107973064.5783.164.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Joe, I'm finding out there are lots of ways to do this. I tried the script using the following command: # ./zoneclient.py -8 password username password 192.168.0.1 (where username and passsword are replaced by the real ones) and I keep getting http://192.168.0.1/sysstatus.html zoneclient.py: ERROR RETURNED Any idea why it's giving me an error? > On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:34:45 -0500 jim > jim ruxton disseminated the following: > > > I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > > way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > > without going into the routers configuration menu? > > I use this Python script to update my dynamic IP, it has this bit in it, sounds > like it may be useful/helpful to you: > > def Devices(): > print > print "The script will locate the address of your router automatically by " > print "looking at the default route of the machine you are running on. " > print "Then it will read the status page for the external IP address " > print "and use that for updates. You need to specify the admin password " > print "with the appropriate option. " > print > print " -A password Askey or Dynalink RTA210/110 password" > print " -B password New Barricade with password on port 88" > print " -F password SMC Barricade 2401 password " > print " -L password Linksys (BEFSR41) NAT router password " > print " -N password Netgear (RT311) NAT router password " > print " -8 password Netgear (MR814) wireless router password " > print " -D password Draytek (Vigor2000) NAT router password " > print " -O password Netopia (R9100) NAT router password " > print " -P password MacSense XRouter Pro password " > print " -H password HawkingTech router password " > print " -W password Watchguard SOHO NAT firewall password " > print " -Y password Cayman DSL 3220H NAT router password " > print " -Q pword,iface password and interface for Instant Internet " > print " -2 password Compaq iPAQ Connection Point CP-2W password " > > Link: > > http://zoneclient.sourceforge.net/ > > Looks like it will access the status page of your router and output your > external IP without bouncing off of a Web page like http://checkip.dyndns.org/. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 19:02:13 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:02:13 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107970989.6186.128.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:43:10PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > dog http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.*IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > Your kidding right? Is there really a dog command? I don't have one. Would I be kidding about such a thing? lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ apt-cache show dog Package: dog Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 76 Maintainer: Norbert Tretkowski Architecture: i386 Version: 1.7-4 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1) Filename: pool/main/d/dog/dog_1.7-4_i386.deb Size: 14972 MD5sum: c3b6494176b2b290e4e92f00db75d912 Description: Enhanced replacement for cat dog writes the contents of each given file, URL or standard input to standard output. It currently supports file, http and raw URLs. It is designed as a compatible, but enhanced replacement for cat. Sound useful? Of course sometimes lynx -dump is handy for eliminating the html. I suppose wget might even have an option for dumping files to stdout, but dog is much smaller it seems. curl isn't bad either. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 19:16:41 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:16:41 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! Message-ID: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> As linuxcaffe moves from it's long dark beta phase, to v1.0 (open for biz) we will need a bunch of things; ethernet "modem" webcams, routers (wifi, ethernet, usb) cables, wires etc, monitors (~15", 17") CPUs (486+) y'know, boxes, not just chips other components (hard drives, NIC cards, sound cards etc) and a raft of thinkpads (~pII 266ish) printers CDR burners I will be buying these things, as required, on the cheap, but if you have hardware collecting dust, and you would like to trade it for a years basic membership package, at the caffe (annual cost $12, value incalculable) send me an email off-list and we'll make arrangements. It's happening folks ! thanks to you, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 19:41:34 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:41:34 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <420A6199.5010909-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:16:41PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > As linuxcaffe moves from it's long dark beta phase, to v1.0 (open for > biz) we will need a bunch of things; > > ethernet "modem" A what thing??? > webcams, > routers (wifi, ethernet, usb) What is a usb router? usb hub? Are you going to have a lot of usb devices on any of the machine? > cables, wires etc, > monitors (~15", 17") > CPUs (486+) y'know, boxes, not just chips > other components (hard drives, NIC cards, sound cards etc) > and a raft of thinkpads (~pII 266ish) > printers > CDR burners I guess cd burners will go in machines fast enough to run them. > I will be buying these things, as required, on the cheap, but if you > have hardware collecting dust, and you would like to trade it for a > years basic membership package, at the caffe (annual cost $12, value > incalculable) send me an email off-list and we'll make arrangements. I like my old hardware (even if some of it is currently collecting dust (until I finish painting the house and such)) and I doubt it would be very interesting to most other people. A few 68k and mips3000 machines are just too odd for most people, although most of them run Debian just fine. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 19:50:45 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:50:45 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050209190213.GU31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Lennart, I'll have to see if I can find dog. Doesn't seem to be in the Fedora 1 apt repository. I tried replacing dog with curl in your script but I guess it's not so easy. Here's what I got.. % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Curr. Dload Upload Total Current Left Speed 100 2163 0 2163 0 0 132 0 --:--:-- 0:00:16 --:--:-- 80111 65.95.106.237???

 

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< snip .. Jim > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 12:43:10PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > > dog http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.*IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > > Your kidding right? Is there really a dog command? I don't have one. > > Would I be kidding about such a thing? > > lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ apt-cache show dog > Package: dog > Priority: optional > Section: text > Installed-Size: 76 > Maintainer: Norbert Tretkowski > Architecture: i386 > Version: 1.7-4 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1) > Filename: pool/main/d/dog/dog_1.7-4_i386.deb > Size: 14972 > MD5sum: c3b6494176b2b290e4e92f00db75d912 > Description: Enhanced replacement for cat > dog writes the contents of each given file, URL or standard > input to standard output. It currently supports file, http > and raw URLs. It is designed as a compatible, but enhanced > replacement for cat. > > Sound useful? > > Of course sometimes lynx -dump is handy for eliminating the html. I > suppose wget might even have an option for dumping files to stdout, but > dog is much smaller it seems. curl isn't bad either. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 19:58:10 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:58:10 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107978644.4067.16.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:50:45PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Hi Lennart, > I'll have to see if I can find dog. Doesn't seem to be in the Fedora 1 > apt repository. I tried replacing dog with curl in your script but I > guess it's not so easy. Here's what I got.. curl certainly behaves differently, but probably could be made to work given the right options. Some other methods that behave like dog http://www.myip.dk wget -q -O - http://www.myip.dk curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk lynx -source http://www.myip.dk etc... Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:04:49 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:04:49 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209194134.GV31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:16:41PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>As linuxcaffe moves from it's long dark beta phase, to v1.0 (open for >>biz) we will need a bunch of things; >> >>ethernet "modem" >> >> > >A what thing??? > > You know; phone line in one end and xDSL pppoe out the other ? Speadstream ? Alcatel ? the thing that Sympatico dings you (me) $10/month for ? > > >>webcams, >>routers (wifi, ethernet, usb) >> >> > >What is a usb router? usb hub? > yess yess HUB ! you know; USB goes in one side and more than one USB comes out the other ! > Are you going to have a lot of usb >devices on any of the machine? > > I hope to have several webcams going, and use usb numeric keypads as interfaces to the security system. >>CDR burners >> >> > >I guess cd burners will go in machines fast enough to run them. > > or it's CoasterCreator (tm) ! >I like my old hardware (even if some of it is currently collecting dust >(until I finish painting the house and such)) and I doubt it would be >very interesting to most other people. A few 68k and mips3000 machines >are just too odd for most people, although most of them run Debian just >fine. > > I'm guessing the 68k refers to Macintoshy CPUs, but the mips draws a blank. Yup, that's odd, alright ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:04:52 2005 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:04:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050209195810.GW31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hey, I wrote a bit of Perl years ago that opens a socket, posts an http request and then captures the raw response. This bit of code perhaps might give you maximum flexibility. I have attached it. It currently calls an old ip address reflector of mine... ========================================================= | David Mayerlen | Upstart Associates | http://www.upstartx.com | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org | 416-424-6739 ========================================================= On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:50:45PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > Hi Lennart, > > I'll have to see if I can find dog. Doesn't seem to be in the Fedora 1 > > apt repository. I tried replacing dog with curl in your script but I > > guess it's not so easy. Here's what I got.. > > curl certainly behaves differently, but probably could be made to work > given the right options. > > Some other methods that behave like dog http://www.myip.dk > > wget -q -O - http://www.myip.dk > curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk > lynx -source http://www.myip.dk > > etc... > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: getpage.pl.gz Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1654 bytes Desc: URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:17:49 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:17:49 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <420A6CE1.1040901-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:04:49PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > You know; phone line in one end and xDSL pppoe out the other ? > Speadstream ? Alcatel ? the thing that Sympatico dings you (me) > $10/month for ? Oh a DSL modem with an ethernet connection on it. Why pay $10/month when you can buy it for $80? And isn't sympatico overpriced to begin with? > yess yess HUB ! you know; USB goes in one side and more than one USB > comes out the other ! I haven't personally ever needed one, although I think my farther is likely too soon (just how he has ended up with 7 usb devices on one system I can't imagine). > I hope to have several webcams going, and use usb numeric keypads as > interfaces to the security system. Hmm, interesting idea. > or it's CoasterCreator (tm) ! I have run an ASUS 40x cd writer on a pentium 75 before. It performed pretty good, and the burnproof system took care of the hickups. Much better than I had imagined. My experience with a DVR-103 (2x DVD writer) on a pentium II 450 was much worse (close to unusable) due to a complete lack of any buffer underrun handling. > I'm guessing the 68k refers to Macintoshy CPUs, but the mips draws a > blank. > Yup, that's odd, alright ! 68k are actually sun 3/50 and 3/60s and the mips are Decstation 5000/240 and /133's. I meant _really_ odd old hardware. I have Debian Sarge working fine on the Decstations, but haven't messed with the sun's in a while. Debian or NetBSD should work on them, as does the SunOS 4 based Xserver software I have for them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:22:02 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:22:02 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209201749.GX31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: What bus are the 3/50s and 3/60s? On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:17:49 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:04:49PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > You know; phone line in one end and xDSL pppoe out the other ? > > Speadstream ? Alcatel ? the thing that Sympatico dings you (me) > > $10/month for ? > > Oh a DSL modem with an ethernet connection on it. Why pay $10/month > when you can buy it for $80? And isn't sympatico overpriced to begin > with? > > > yess yess HUB ! you know; USB goes in one side and more than one USB > > comes out the other ! > > I haven't personally ever needed one, although I think my farther is > likely too soon (just how he has ended up with 7 usb devices on one > system I can't imagine). > > > I hope to have several webcams going, and use usb numeric keypads as > > interfaces to the security system. > > Hmm, interesting idea. > > > or it's CoasterCreator (tm) ! > > I have run an ASUS 40x cd writer on a pentium 75 before. It performed > pretty good, and the burnproof system took care of the hickups. Much > better than I had imagined. My experience with a DVR-103 (2x DVD > writer) on a pentium II 450 was much worse (close to unusable) due to a > complete lack of any buffer underrun handling. > > > I'm guessing the 68k refers to Macintoshy CPUs, but the mips draws a > > blank. > > Yup, that's odd, alright ! > > 68k are actually sun 3/50 and 3/60s and the mips are Decstation 5000/240 > and /133's. I meant _really_ odd old hardware. > > I have Debian Sarge working fine on the Decstations, but haven't messed > with the sun's in a while. Debian or NetBSD should work on them, as > does the SunOS 4 based Xserver software I have for them. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:42:03 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:42:03 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209201749.GX31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420A759B.6050904@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:04:49PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>You know; phone line in one end and xDSL pppoe out the other ? >>Speadstream ? Alcatel ? the thing that Sympatico dings you (me) >>$10/month for ? >> >> > >Oh a DSL modem with an ethernet connection on it. Why pay $10/month >when you can buy it for $80? And isn't sympatico overpriced to begin >with? > > Using Sympatico ADSL at home (for several years, but not much longer), and setting up ADSL with iStop, for the caffe, I'm going to buy the "modem" from iStop, unless I can find a suitable used thingy. > >>I hope to have several webcams going, and use usb numeric keypads as >>interfaces to the security system. >> >> > >Hmm, interesting idea. > > > >>or it's CoasterCreator (tm) ! >> >> > >I have run an ASUS 40x cd writer on a pentium 75 before. It performed >pretty good, and the burnproof system took care of the hickups. Much >better than I had imagined. My experience with a DVR-103 (2x DVD >writer) on a pentium II 450 was much worse (close to unusable) due to a >complete lack of any buffer underrun handling. > > good to know. You'll know doubt be hearing about it if the coaster quotient is too high. As always, your input is invaluable, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:42:34 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:42:34 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:22:02PM -0500, Joseph Kubik wrote: > What bus are the 3/50s and 3/60s? The 3/50 has no expansion bus. It just has onboard 10mbit ethernet (AUI connector), 3 row 50pin sun scsi connector, 1152x900 mono display. The 3/60 has a P4 connector, although apparently different from the same looking connector on a 3/80. I don't believe they are in any way compatible with any hardware from a sun 4 series. They are all expanded to 12M ram (which on the 3/50 involves an entire extra board inserted between the cpu and the mainboard). It also runs rather hot as a result of all of those chips. :) They used to be some of the machines serving CS classes at U of Waterloo back in the late 80s. I personally can't imagine a class of students all trying to compile their assignments on one of these at the same time. I have been told it was a slow process. Checking your syntax carefully first before asking for a compile was apparently a good idea. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:50:28 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:50:28 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209204234.GY31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:42:34 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > The 3/50 has no expansion bus. It just has onboard 10mbit ethernet (AUI > connector), 3 row 50pin sun scsi connector, 1152x900 mono display. I have an AUI<->Ethernet adapter that I picked up from a GTABUG event last year. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:52:57 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:52:57 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209205257.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:50:28PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:42:34 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: > > The 3/50 has no expansion bus. It just has onboard 10mbit ethernet (AUI > > connector), 3 row 50pin sun scsi connector, 1152x900 mono display. > > I have an AUI<->Ethernet adapter that I picked up from a GTABUG event > last year. :) I have a couple, although I think I have 7 machines that can use them. I just can't use them all at the same time. Finding those darn little things is hard, and they used to be very expensive to buy (assuming they aren't still expensive). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 20:55:55 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:55:55 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209205257.GZ31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209205257.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:52:57 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:50:28PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > > I have an AUI<->Ethernet adapter that I picked up from a GTABUG event > > last year. :) > > I have a couple, although I think I have 7 machines that can use them. > I just can't use them all at the same time. Finding those darn little > things is hard, and they used to be very expensive to buy (assuming they > aren't still expensive). They're probably horribly expensive to buy on the spot, despite being free to those who can find them sitting in junk bins. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 22:12:40 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:12:40 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209204234.GY31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209221240.GA10449@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:42:34PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > [ ... ] > They used to be some of the machines serving CS classes at U of Waterloo > back in the late 80s. I personally can't imagine a class of students > all trying to compile their assignments on one of these at the same > time. I have been told it was a slow process. Checking your syntax > carefully first before asking for a compile was apparently a good idea. Ah, you youngsters had it easy! I recall when I had to carefully check my syntax. Then I'd put the card deck into the collection box. Once a week a courier came by to collect the decks and take them to the remote high school that had the computer. The same courier returned the printouts of the previous week's jobs. The pickup/dropoff only took a minute or two, so each syntax error that you didn't find added two weeks to the time before you got to actually debug the program. (... and, it was uphill both ways with 10 feet of snow on the ground. :-) -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 21:24:21 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:24:21 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209221240.GA10449-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209221240.GA10449@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20050209212421.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:12:40PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > Ah, you youngsters had it easy! I recall when I had to > carefully check my syntax. Then I'd put the card deck into > the collection box. Once a week a courier came by to collect > the decks and take them to the remote high school that had > the computer. The same courier returned the printouts of the > previous week's jobs. The pickup/dropoff only took a minute > or two, so each syntax error that you didn't find added two > weeks to the time before you got to actually debug the program. > > (... and, it was uphill both ways with 10 feet of snow on > the ground. :-) I wonder how many forests each computer was responsible for clearing. :) I sure hope they recycled those cards and printouts. And yes I am quite happy I don't have to use toggle switches to load my bits. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 22:42:39 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:42:39 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209212421.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209221240.GA10449@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20050209212421.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209224239.GC10449@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:24:21PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:12:40PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > > Ah, you youngsters had it easy! I recall when I had to > > carefully check my syntax. Then I'd put the card deck into > > the collection box. Once a week a courier came by to collect > > the decks and take them to the remote high school that had > > the computer. The same courier returned the printouts of the > > previous week's jobs. The pickup/dropoff only took a minute > > or two, so each syntax error that you didn't find added two > > weeks to the time before you got to actually debug the program. > > > > (... and, it was uphill both ways with 10 feet of snow on > > the ground. :-) > > I wonder how many forests each computer was responsible for clearing. :) > I sure hope they recycled those cards and printouts. Fortunately, we now have the paperless office. :-) I don't think that we currently use less paper for our activities; the forests were safer from computers in those "good old" days. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 21:51:29 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:51:29 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: <20050209204234.GY31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:42:34 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 03:22:02PM -0500, Joseph Kubik wrote: > > They used to be some of the machines serving CS classes at U of Waterloo > back in the late 80s. I personally can't imagine a class of students > all trying to compile their assignments on one of these at the same > time. I have been told it was a slow process. Checking your syntax > carefully first before asking for a compile was apparently a good idea. Hah. I remember that. In Winter '77, I chose cards over WIDJET for doing my COBOL course because the turnaround time was minutes on WIDJET (when it was available) and seconds on cards. The only tip I knew of was to never leave your stack of cards on the printer -- it was a model that automatically opened its cover when it ran out of paper .. if there were cards on top, they slid off into a lovely jumble on the floor. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 12 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 12 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 12 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 12 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 12 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 11 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 11 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 11 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 11 .. JOB IS IN QUEUE POSITION 11 .. That got old really fast. Sometimes the old technology really is faster. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 22:17:59 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:17:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved ! In-Reply-To: References: <420A6199.5010909@sympatico.ca> <20050209194134.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A6CE1.1040901@sympatico.ca> <20050209201749.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209204234.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050209205257.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050209221153.L43718@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Taavi Burns wrote: > They're probably horribly expensive to buy on the spot, despite being > free to those who can find them sitting in junk bins. :) Tranceivers (as they are called) tend to be fairly hard to find 2nd hand but I noticed an odd occurance back home (Australia). When you find someone with one, and they determine that they can do without it they all seem to come up with the same price - "20 bucks". Me: How much for the tranceiver? Them: Ahm...20 bucks. Me: Ok. This appears to be almost universal. I suspect "20 bucks" is a price high enough to motivate them to basically give it away. So the price seems to be independent of the rarity. I brought both of my AUI-UTP tranceivers to Canada with my. I used to have an AUI-BNC but I gave it away (20 bucks was too much) as it was big and had a loose connection. It had to be slightly tilted on the table to work. The guy who got it was happy though. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 22:58:53 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:58:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: cards and printers (was Re:linuxcaffe; become peripheraly involved !) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Alex Beamish wrote: > ...The only tip I knew of was to never > leave your stack of cards on the printer -- it was a model that > automatically opened its cover when it ran out of paper ... Ah yes, the IBM 1403. There was one small part of the cover which didn't open, off to the left where the control panel was. You could tell the experienced users because when they put their deck down on the printer cover, they *always* put it down on that section. My favorite 1403 story is one I didn't witness firsthand. The 1403's noise level also went up rather sharply, even with no printing happening, when the cover opened. There was a lot of sound insulation in that cover, and a lot of hardware spinning even when the printer was stopped. Some impressionable first-year student who was new to the whole business was in the self-serve terminal area by himself when the printer ran out of paper. Reportedly he came running out, white as a sheet, gasping "It opened its mouth and screamed at me!". Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 01:46:01 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:46:01 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050209195810.GW31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1107999961.4582.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Lennart, I tried this: # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' and for some reason where I should be left with just the IP address some of the rest of the page appears. I can't figure out why. Any idea why I'm not left with just the IP number?? The text before and directly after the IP number is stripped away but some of the file remains. Here is the output I get: 66.229.220.69???

 

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snip Jim > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:50:45PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > Hi Lennart, > > I'll have to see if I can find dog. Doesn't seem to be in the Fedora 1 > > apt repository. I tried replacing dog with curl in your script but I > > guess it's not so easy. Here's what I got.. > > curl certainly behaves differently, but probably could be made to work > given the right options. > > Some other methods that behave like dog http://www.myip.dk > > wget -q -O - http://www.myip.dk > curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk > lynx -source http://www.myip.dk > > etc... > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 01:51:54 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:51:54 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1108000314.4365.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks David, I'll have a look at it. Jim > Hey, > > I wrote a bit of Perl years ago that opens a socket, posts an http > request and then captures the raw response. This bit of code perhaps might > give you maximum flexibility. I have attached it. It currently calls an > old ip address reflector of mine... > > ========================================================= > | David Mayerlen > | Upstart Associates > | http://www.upstartx.com > | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org > | 416-424-6739 > ========================================================= > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:50:45PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Hi Lennart, > > > I'll have to see if I can find dog. Doesn't seem to be in the Fedora 1 > > > apt repository. I tried replacing dog with curl in your script but I > > > guess it's not so easy. Here's what I got.. > > > > curl certainly behaves differently, but probably could be made to work > > given the right options. > > > > Some other methods that behave like dog http://www.myip.dk > > > > wget -q -O - http://www.myip.dk > > curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk > > lynx -source http://www.myip.dk > > > > etc... > > > > Lennart Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 05:40:52 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:40:52 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <420A309D.1040702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050210003749.0363a840@pop1.sympatico.ca> Thanks. up2date just got me a more advanced FC1. Will apt-get (as used below) take me further? At 10:47 AM 2/9/05, you wrote: >Brian K. Garel wrote: >>Hey All, >>Just a quick question for you...I was wondering how safe it is to do the >>Automatic updating of the kernel using the "Uptodate" utility. I tried >>it a while back using Red Hat 7.something and it took me quite a while to >>recover from the whole experience...so basic question...can I upgrade the >>kernel using that utility or should I seek alternate methods. >>Thanks, >>Brian > >You mean 'up2date'? If so, I've been using it a lot for years to do kernel >upgrades. I went to FC1 as soon as it came out (RH8&9 were... *shudder*). >I have yet (touch wood) to have a problem with the new kernel but still to >be safe I left the old, working kernel in place "just in case". > >Sometimes I find the 'up2date' servers congested and I have also started >using 'apt-get' (there's a Fedora X version on 'http://freshrpms.net') to >do a lot of the upgrades, including the kernel. If your machine has X then >install 'apt-get', go to the shell (as root) and type: > ># apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get install synaptic && >synaptic & > >That will update your local information on what 'apt-get' can get. '-y' >tells it to assume "yes" to all questions and 'dist-upgrade' tells it to >run "smart-upgrade" (more aggressive at solving dependancy issues. If you >are uncomfortable, use 'upgrade' instead of '-y dist-upgrade'). 'install >synaptic' does just that, installs the 'synaptic' graphical front end for >'apt-get'. Finally, launch 'synaptic'. > >When Synaptic runs for the first time it will ask if you want to run in >"Smart Mode", this is the same as 'dist-upgrade'. In the GUI I would >recommend it because you will have a chance to confirm any changes before >they happen. > >To upgrade the kernel in Synaptic simply search for packages with 'kernel' >in the name and choose those you want to install. > >hth, > >Madison > >-- >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Madison Kelly (Digimer) >TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up >http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hanoglu-ueTEkjIHS1VWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 08:41:15 2005 From: hanoglu-ueTEkjIHS1VWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:41:15 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050210003749.0363a840-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050210003749.0363a840@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <420B1E2B.1070809@ideefixe.com> Elliott Chapin wrote: > Thanks. up2date just got me a more advanced FC1. Will apt-get (as used > below) take me further? Yes. But take attention to repository mixing problem (for example; between fedora.us and fresrpms.net) when you are using more than one repository ( not mirrors of one). Burhan -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 9 22:14:14 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050209173036.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > And of course dos2unix is a handy utility too. Sure it is, but you want to be careful. I've come across two utilities, identically namesd 'dos2unix' and present on various different Unices, that purport to do the same thing. One of them quietly munged the 'standard' MS-DOS 8-bit characters to ISO Latin-1. This is exactly not what we wanted. tr may have arcane syntax, but it only does exactly what you ask of it. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 13:52:45 2005 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:52:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora2 -> Fedora3 Message-ID: <1108043565.28079.12.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> By comparison to others on this list, I'm still a newbie. I've been happily using Fedora2 and have regularly kept it current with yum. I didn't realize that each Fedora release has a very limited life time. I'm not interested in bleeding edge. Frankly, I'm principally concerned with security fixes. - how will I know when it's time to upgrade from Fedora2 to Fedora3? - how do I do that? My regular "yum update" has been relatively benign, but I presume that upgrading to a new release is not to be taken lightly! Advice? -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 13:55:20 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:55:20 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <420A309D.1040702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200502100855.20958.BGarel@clublink.ca> Madison, Thank you very much...that was perfect...it was so smooth and easy that I'm waiting for something to blow up now! ;) I guess I've been in the Micro$haft world for too long! ;) Anyway, thanks again...that was helpful. Brian On Wednesday 09 February 2005 10:47, Madison Kelly wrote: > Brian K. Garel wrote: > > Hey All, > > > > Just a quick question for you...I was wondering how safe it is to do the > > Automatic updating of the kernel using the "Uptodate" utility. I tried > > it a while back using Red Hat 7.something and it took me quite a while to > > recover from the whole experience...so basic question...can I upgrade the > > kernel using that utility or should I seek alternate methods. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > You mean 'up2date'? If so, I've been using it a lot for years to do > kernel upgrades. I went to FC1 as soon as it came out (RH8&9 were... > *shudder*). I have yet (touch wood) to have a problem with the new > kernel but still to be safe I left the old, working kernel in place > "just in case". > > Sometimes I find the 'up2date' servers congested and I have also started > using 'apt-get' (there's a Fedora X version on 'http://freshrpms.net') > to do a lot of the upgrades, including the kernel. If your machine has X > then install 'apt-get', go to the shell (as root) and type: > > # apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get install synaptic > && synaptic & > > That will update your local information on what 'apt-get' can get. '-y' > tells it to assume "yes" to all questions and 'dist-upgrade' tells it to > run "smart-upgrade" (more aggressive at solving dependancy issues. If > you are uncomfortable, use 'upgrade' instead of '-y dist-upgrade'). > 'install synaptic' does just that, installs the 'synaptic' graphical > front end for 'apt-get'. Finally, launch 'synaptic'. > > When Synaptic runs for the first time it will ask if you want to run in > "Smart Mode", this is the same as 'dist-upgrade'. In the GUI I would > recommend it because you will have a chance to confirm any changes > before they happen. > > To upgrade the kernel in Synaptic simply search for packages with > 'kernel' in the name and choose those you want to install. > > hth, > > Madison -- ELF -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 14:23:59 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 10 Feb 2005 09:23:59 -0500 Subject: console window question In-Reply-To: <20050207180529.382171BAF83-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050207180529.382171BAF83@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: bob writes: > Is there a way to get a KDE console window to come up with a login prompt > instead of coming up already logged in as the current user? This works: xterm -e login Strangely, this does not: konsole -e login giving this error: No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 16:08:54 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:08:54 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 2 Kernel Updating In-Reply-To: <200502100855.20958.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> <200502100855.20958.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <420B8716.8050300@alteeve.com> Brian K. Garel wrote: > Madison, > > Thank you very much...that was perfect...it was so smooth and easy that I'm > waiting for something to blow up now! ;) I guess I've been in the > Micro$haft world for too long! ;) > > Anyway, thanks again...that was helpful. > > Brian I'm glad it helped. :) (Gawd knows I ask for enough help here myself!) Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 16:59:12 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:59:12 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107999961.4582.56.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107999961.4582.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050210165912.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 08:46:01PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Lennart, > I tried this: > > # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.* IP: > \(.*\).*%\1%' Hmm, it works here. Make SURE it is on one line. curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk|tail -1 | sed -e 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' Now in the case below I see following the IP, which is not what I got, so I wonder what is different. > and for some reason where I should be left with just the IP address some > of the rest of the page appears. I can't figure out why. Any idea why > I'm not left with just the IP number?? The text before and directly > after the IP number is stripped away but some of the file remains. Here > is the output I get: > > 66.229.220.69???

> value="Konverter">

 

method="post" action="/CMyip.dll?DoReverseFormConvert2" > name="form1">Skriv hostname'et du vil have > IP'en p???

type="submit" > value="Konverter">

 

method="post" action="/CMyip.dll?DoDecFormConvert" name="form1"> size="2" face="Verdana">Skriv IP'en du vil have lavet om til decimal > form:

type="submit" > value="Konverter">



How odd, given it works perfectly from this system. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 17:06:13 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:06:13 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <420A8B36.2040400-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Thanks for all of the replies thus far. To recap: I have files with "bad" characters in them - stuff that doesn't print, but does screw up the regexes and other text processing. I identified one of these as (I think) \240, but I wasn't sure. Several people suggested tricks for removing DOS line endings, both in vi and using utilities like dos2unix (I use flip, but we're on the same page). We also had people suggesting transposition operators, usually looking like tr///. I agree whole-heartedly with this advice - these are good tools. Lennart asked the incredibly salient question of "what does file say?" The answer is that file thinks it is text, encoded with the 8859 charset. These files are often multi-generational Windoze documents that have passed via the beauty of Object Linking and Embedding through several programs, each of which "knows" best. The problem I have is that I don't know what to call some of these junk characters for transposition. When vi hands you "||" in blue, what does that mean, and how do you strip it? Thanks. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I identified > one of these as (I think) \240, but I wasn't sure. > > Several people suggested tricks for removing DOS line endings, both in > vi and using utilities like dos2unix (I use flip, but we're on the same > page). > > We also had people suggesting transposition operators, usually looking > like tr///. I agree whole-heartedly with this advice - these are good > tools. > > Lennart asked the incredibly salient question of "what does file say?" > The answer is that file thinks it is text, encoded with the 8859 > charset. These files are often multi-generational Windoze documents > that have passed via the beauty of Object Linking and Embedding through > several programs, each of which "knows" best. > > The problem I have is that I don't know what to call some of these junk > characters for transposition. When vi hands you "||" in blue, what does > that mean, and how do you strip it? Thanks. Maybe what you really want is something like this: lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ apt-cache show tcs Package: tcs Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 356 Maintainer: Frederic Peters Architecture: i386 Version: 1-9 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) Filename: pool/main/t/tcs/tcs_1-9_i386.deb Size: 135404 MD5sum: fd4b28b17575073baf9ddee7e038291f Description: Character set translator. tcs translates character sets from one encoding to another. . Supported encodings include utf (ISO utf-8), ascii, ISO 8859-[123456789], koi8, jis-kanji, ujis, ms-kanji, jis, gb, big5, unicode, tis, msdos, and atari. Looks like a pretty nifty tool actually. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 18:23:45 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:23:45 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050210165912.GB31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d05020712386d6cdaa0@mail.gmail.com> <1107808999.4134.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107999961.4582.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050210165912.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1108059825.6396.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > > > # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk|tail -1|sed -e 's%.* IP: > > \(.*\).*%\1%' > > Hmm, it works here. Make SURE it is on one line. bizarre, One thing I noticed is that I can remove the tail command from above and I get the same result. I don't think it's really necessary hear anyway is it? Jim > > curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk|tail -1 | > sed -e 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > > Now in the case below I see following the IP, which is not what > I got, so I wonder what is different. > > > and for some reason where I should be left with just the IP address some > > of the rest of the page appears. I can't figure out why. Any idea why > > I'm not left with just the IP number?? The text before and directly > > after the IP number is stripped away but some of the file remains. Here > > is the output I get: > > > > 66.229.220.69???

> > > value="Konverter">

 

> method="post" action="/CMyip.dll?DoReverseFormConvert2" > > name="form1">Skriv hostname'et du vil have > > IP'en p???

> type="submit" > > value="Konverter">

 

> method="post" action="/CMyip.dll?DoDecFormConvert" name="form1"> > size="2" face="Verdana">Skriv IP'en du vil have lavet om til decimal > > form:

> type="submit" > > value="Konverter">



> > How odd, given it works perfectly from this system. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 18:27:44 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:27:44 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108059825.6396.166.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d05020712475f7657de@mail.gmail.com> <1107810124.4132.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208150119.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107970989.6186.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209190213.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107978644.4067.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050209195810.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1107999961.4582.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050210165912.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1108059825.6396.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050210182744.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:23:45PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > bizarre, One thing I noticed is that I can remove the tail command from > above and I get the same result. I don't think it's really necessary > hear anyway is it? No it isn't needed since that site spews the whole thing out as one line (not even a newline at the end). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 18:51:27 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:51:27 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050210171508.GC31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> tcs sounds like the little brother of Gnu recode, which handles more charsets than most people can even imagine could exist; 281, in the version I have. William, what do you want to do with these 'junk' characters? It's getting harder and harder to work in just plain ASCII these days. It just doesn't support the glyphs that people need to use. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:01:43 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:01:43 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <420BAD2F.4070706-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050210210143.GA18754@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:51:27PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >tcs sounds like the little brother of Gnu recode, which handles more >charsets than most people can even imagine could exist; 281, in the >version I have. These look very neat, but the problem isn't really the encoding. >William, what do you want to do with these 'junk' characters? It's >getting harder and harder to work in just plain ASCII these days. It >just doesn't support the glyphs that people need to use. What I am looking for is a way to strip these characters out. They seem to be coming from formatting code, and they have 0 semantic value - they just prevent CSV files from being cleanly pulling into databases or correctly interpreted by spreadsheets. Basically, the problem is that when I see these junk characters (vim syntax colouring shows them in blue on a console) I want to do this: :%s/$junkcharacter//g The problem is that I don't know how to obtain values for $junkcharacter based on the crap I see on the screen. F'rinstance, a CRLF shows up as ^M in vim (with the a line break) and I know that that is called "\r" in my replacement string - but I don't know what to call some of this other stuff that I see. I can't copy/paste it, because it is represented on the screen as something other than what is found with a regex. Does that help? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:18:29 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:18:29 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050210210143.GA18754-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> <20050210210143.GA18754@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050210211829.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:01:43PM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:51:27PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > What I am looking for is a way to strip these characters out. They seem > to be coming from formatting code, and they have 0 semantic value - they > just prevent CSV files from being cleanly pulling into databases or > correctly interpreted by spreadsheets. Basically, the problem is that > when I see these junk characters (vim syntax colouring shows them in > blue on a console) I want to do this: > > :%s/$junkcharacter//g > > The problem is that I don't know how to obtain values for $junkcharacter > based on the crap I see on the screen. F'rinstance, a CRLF shows up as > ^M in vim (with the a line break) and I know that that is called "\r" in > my replacement string - but I don't know what to call some of this other > stuff that I see. I can't copy/paste it, because it is represented on > the screen as something other than what is found with a regex. Does > that help? How about this for a filter: #!/usr/bin/perl while(<>) { @chars = split(//); foreach $c (@chars) { #print "$c" if (ord($c)<128); print "$c" if (ord($c)<128 and ord($c)>31 or ord($c) eq 10); } } Just pipe the file through that perl script and see if that does it. I think characters 32 to 127 and linefeed are all that you would want in a unix text file. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:18:38 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:18:38 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050210210143.GA18754-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> <20050210210143.GA18754@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1108070318.17582.45.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 16:01 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 01:51:27PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >tcs sounds like the little brother of Gnu recode, which handles more > >charsets than most people can even imagine could exist; 281, in the > >version I have. > > These look very neat, but the problem isn't really the encoding. > > >William, what do you want to do with these 'junk' characters? It's > >getting harder and harder to work in just plain ASCII these days. It > >just doesn't support the glyphs that people need to use. > > What I am looking for is a way to strip these characters out. They seem > to be coming from formatting code, and they have 0 semantic value - they > just prevent CSV files from being cleanly pulling into databases or > correctly interpreted by spreadsheets. Basically, the problem is that > when I see these junk characters (vim syntax colouring shows them in > blue on a console) I want to do this: > > :%s/$junkcharacter//g > > The problem is that I don't know how to obtain values for $junkcharacter > based on the crap I see on the screen. F'rinstance, a CRLF shows up as > ^M in vim (with the a line break) and I know that that is called "\r" in > my replacement string - but I don't know what to call some of this other > stuff that I see. I can't copy/paste it, because it is represented on > the screen as something other than what is found with a regex. Does > that help? Can you send a file with some examples? I am pretty sure the perl script I sent will work. I used it on getting junk characters from a file from an AIX server. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:19:25 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: console window question In-Reply-To: References: <20050207180529.382171BAF83@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <20050210211620.C83078@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Tim Writer wrote: > Strangely, this does not: > > konsole -e login > > giving this error: > > No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" I've seen this when utmp was not where the app was expecting it[1]. utmp has lived in various places over the life of Unix. All the apps on a particular Linux distro are supposed to all look for it in the same place but mistakes do happen. Consider using strace to see where konsole is expecting to find utmp. The solution would then be a symlink. [1] Although this was not the only circumstance that I've seen this with. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:23:29 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:23:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050210211829.GE31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050210211829.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > What I am looking for is a way to strip these characters out... > > How about this for a filter: > #!/usr/bin/perl > while(<>) { > ... Consider as an alternative: tr -cd '\n[:print:]' That deletes exactly the characters which are neither printable nor newlines. "perl is an OK operating system, but it lacks a lightweight scripting language." -- Walter Dnes Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 10 21:34:44 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <420A8B36.2040400-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: I wrote: tr -cd '\n[:print:]' Wups, one small snag with that: tr may have its own ideas about just what characters are printable. To nail it down, if necessary: tr -cd '\n\040-\176' That gets rid of everything except newlines and the printable ASCII characters. (\177, aka character 127, is not printable.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 01:08:25 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:08:25 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <1108070318.17582.45.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> <20050210210143.GA18754@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1108070318.17582.45.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <20050211010825.GA19761@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I now have a solution that works (well, two), so thanks to all who helped my out and stuck with this thread. What follows is a quick recap. Problem: Windoze put formatting characters from the upper reaches of the 8859 charset in my csv files, and I wanted them stripped. I didn't know what to call them, and TLUG came to the rescue. Henry Spencer's solution: > tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > >That gets rid of everything except newlines and the printable ASCII >characters. (\177, aka character 127, is not printable.) That worked great, but it took me a while to remember how to put that on a command line, like so: cat filewithcrap.csv | tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > crapfree.csv Lennart Sorenson's solution: >#!/usr/bin/perl >while(<>) { > @chars = split(//); > foreach $c (@chars) { > #print "$c" if (ord($c)<128); > print "$c" if (ord($c)<128 and ord($c)>31 or ord($c) eq 10); > } >} > >Just pipe the file through that perl script and see if that does it. I >think characters 32 to 127 and linefeed are all that you would want in a >unix text file. This also works, so that's two ways, which never ever hurts. One very thorough-looking solution that didn't work but which I need to spend some time with to better understand (it could be user error) was Devin Whalen's. Here's the response to his message: On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:18:38PM -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: >Can you send a file with some examples? I am pretty sure the perl >script I sent will work. I used it on getting junk characters from a >file from an AIX server. I'll put in some example text under my .sig. Running your script on my csv file worked like "touch" for me - harmless but not functional. I dunno why yet, but I should get some time to look at it soon. -- yours, William ,Advisors with Announced Mergers,, Rank??,Advisor,Count??,Total Value?? 1??,Goldman Sachs??,109??,"384,587,655,889??" 2??,J P Morgan??,89??,"315,830,356,519??" 3??,Morgan Stanley??,97??,"261,610,080,134??" 4??,Merrill Lynch??,49??,"256,469,079,383??" 5??,Lehman Brothers??,68??,"178,053,915,635??" 6??,Lazard??,51??,"167,218,432,036??" 7??,Citigroup??,63??,"165,931,845,345??" 8??,Credit Suisse First Boston??,61??,"128,476,680,743??" 9??,UBS??,58??,"122,940,275,398??" 10??,Rothschild??,22??,"93,481,910,892??" 11??,BNP Paribas??,2??,"71,010,611,837??" 12??,Deutsche Bank??,37??,"53,642,317,116??" 13??,Banc of America Securities??,72??,"51,391,768,933??" 14??,Bear Stearns??,41??,"30,962,283,027??" 15??,Unicredito Italiano Group??,2??,"29,436,189,520??" 16??,Banca Intesa SPA??,1??,"29,333,946,470??" 17??,Mediobanca SPA??,1??,"29,333,946,470??" 18??,Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin??,27??,"23,316,569,382??" 19??,HSBC??,4??,"22,723,939,539??" 20??,Cazenove & Co??,8??,"19,686,510,001??" 21??,Wachovia??,34??,"18,890,085,079??" 22??,Sandler O'Neill??,39??,"13,265,640,755??" 23??,Keefe Bruyette & Woods Inc??,36??,"13,014,032,089??" 24??,Greenhill & Co??,8??,"10,903,667,720??" 25??,Petrie Parkman & Co??,7??,"10,315,696,517??" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The above processors are IntelPro PII Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William O'Higgins Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:08 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Removing junk characters from text files? I now have a solution that works (well, two), so thanks to all who helped my out and stuck with this thread. What follows is a quick recap. Problem: Windoze put formatting characters from the upper reaches of the 8859 charset in my csv files, and I wanted them stripped. I didn't know what to call them, and TLUG came to the rescue. Henry Spencer's solution: > tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > >That gets rid of everything except newlines and the printable ASCII >characters. (\177, aka character 127, is not printable.) That worked great, but it took me a while to remember how to put that on a command line, like so: cat filewithcrap.csv | tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > crapfree.csv Lennart Sorenson's solution: >#!/usr/bin/perl >while(<>) { > @chars = split(//); > foreach $c (@chars) { > #print "$c" if (ord($c)<128); > print "$c" if (ord($c)<128 and ord($c)>31 or ord($c) eq 10); > } >} > >Just pipe the file through that perl script and see if that does it. I >think characters 32 to 127 and linefeed are all that you would want in >a unix text file. This also works, so that's two ways, which never ever hurts. One very thorough-looking solution that didn't work but which I need to spend some time with to better understand (it could be user error) was Devin Whalen's. Here's the response to his message: On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:18:38PM -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: >Can you send a file with some examples? I am pretty sure the perl >script I sent will work. I used it on getting junk characters from a >file from an AIX server. I'll put in some example text under my .sig. Running your script on my csv file worked like "touch" for me - harmless but not functional. I dunno why yet, but I should get some time to look at it soon. -- yours, William ,Advisors with Announced Mergers,, Rank??,Advisor,Count??,Total Value 1??,Goldman Sachs??,109??,"384,587,655,889??" 2??,J P Morgan??,89??,"315,830,356,519??" 3??,Morgan Stanley??,97??,"261,610,080,134??" 4??,Merrill Lynch??,49??,"256,469,079,383??" 5??,Lehman Brothers??,68??,"178,053,915,635??" 6??,Lazard??,51??,"167,218,432,036??" 7??,Citigroup??,63??,"165,931,845,345??" 8??,Credit Suisse First Boston??,61??,"128,476,680,743??" 9??,UBS??,58??,"122,940,275,398??" 10??,Rothschild??,22??,"93,481,910,892??" 11??,BNP Paribas??,2??,"71,010,611,837??" 12??,Deutsche Bank??,37??,"53,642,317,116??" 13??,Banc of America Securities??,72??,"51,391,768,933??" 14??,Bear Stearns??,41??,"30,962,283,027??" 15??,Unicredito Italiano Group??,2??,"29,436,189,520??" 16??,Banca Intesa SPA??,1??,"29,333,946,470??" 17??,Mediobanca SPA??,1??,"29,333,946,470??" 18??,Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin??,27??,"23,316,569,382??" 19??,HSBC??,4??,"22,723,939,539??" 20??,Cazenove & Co??,8??,"19,686,510,001??" 21??,Wachovia??,34??,"18,890,085,079??" 22??,Sandler O'Neill??,39??,"13,265,640,755??" 23??,Keefe Bruyette & Woods Inc??,36??,"13,014,032,089??" 24??,Greenhill & Co??,8??,"10,903,667,720??" 25??,Petrie Parkman & Co??,7??,"10,315,696,517??" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 03:52:45 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:52:45 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway Message-ID: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space left on device And here is the output of df: /dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card The fstab line looks like this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. 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One thought: try "df -i". > /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 Another thought: VFAT is an odd and somewhat limited filesystem -- never meant for gigabyte devices! -- and it's possible you're running out of some kind of internal resource peculiar to VFAT. Not sure how you would confirm that, though... Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 04:13:09 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211035245.GA20410-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <420C30D5.8050501@alteeve.com> William O'Higgins wrote: > I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it > thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: > > cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space > left on device > > And here is the output of df: > > /dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card > > The fstab line looks like this: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 > > I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google > skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? Just for giggles, have you tried what would happen if you reformatted it or, better yet, tried reformatting it as ext{2|3}? I imagine you won't want to leave it that way if you are using the card in a camera or on a MS machine but it would be interesting to see if the problem persists. Off hand though I can't think of a particular reason why this would happen. Maybe a driver problem? Doubt it though... Have you tried copying files to it from a MS machine? I know that again isn't what you care to do over time but as a way of seeing if the media itself is okay. Good luck! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 04:22:10 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:22:10 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211042210.GA20617@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:07:23PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: >> cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space >> left on device >> /dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card > >The no-space error code sometimes indicates related problems rather than >actual exhaustion of space. One thought: try "df -i". Well, that's interesting. Here's the output of df -i: /dev/sda1 0 0 0 - /mnt/card I checked out a USB storage device with similar parameters, and shows the same lack of inodes, so I'm not sure what to make of it. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 04:23:59 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:23:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211042210.GA20617-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211042210.GA20617@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > Well, that's interesting. Here's the output of df -i: > /dev/sda1 0 0 0 - /mnt/card Hmm. While odd, that *probably* means that df simply can't get any information on the subject of inodes or equivalent. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 04:35:08 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:35:08 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <420C30D5.8050501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C30D5.8050501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050211043508.GA20878@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:13:09PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >Just for giggles, have you tried what would happen if you reformatted it >or, better yet, tried reformatting it as ext{2|3}? I imagine you won't >want to leave it that way if you are using the card in a camera or on a >MS machine but it would be interesting to see if the problem persists. I am loathe to do this, because one of the purposes of this card is to go in my MP3 player. Definitely a last resort - though I might be able to live with a partitioned device that is half ext2 and half vfat - but first and foremost it must work in the MP3 player. >Off hand though I can't think of a particular reason why this would >happen. Maybe a driver problem? Doubt it though... Have you tried >copying files to it from a MS machine? I know that again isn't what you >care to do over time but as a way of seeing if the media itself is okay. Good thought - luckily (?) I have a Windoze machine handy and I tried it out. Windoze "cannot create the file or directory", and it shows the same general behavior - half full, but unwilling to take more data. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 04:43:22 2005 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:22 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211035245.GA20410-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> Has this card ever showed the full capacity? Sounds like its half dead. William O'Higgins wrote: >I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it >thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: > >cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space >left on device > >And here is the output of df: > >/dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card > >The fstab line looks like this: > >/dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 > >I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google >skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 05:47:05 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:47:05 -0500 Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050211010825.GA19761-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1108070318.17582.45.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <20050211010825.GA19761@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200502110047.05547.john@perlwolf.com> On Thursday 10 February 2005 20:08, William O'Higgins wrote: [ ... ] > > Henry Spencer's solution: > > > tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > > > >That gets rid of everything except newlines and the printable ASCII > >characters. (\177, aka character 127, is not printable.) > > That worked great, but it took me a while to remember how to put that on > a command line, like so: > > cat filewithcrap.csv | tr -cd '\n\040-\176' > crapfree.csv Dating from back in the days when every process used a significant portion of the available memory, I always shudder slightly when I see cat used to redirect input into a pipeline. Just use: tr -cd '\n\040-\176' < filewithcrap.csv > crapfree.csv -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 00:05:31 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:05:31 +0000 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211035245.GA20410-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 11, 2005 03:52 am, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it > thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: > > cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space > left on device > > And here is the output of df: > > /dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card > > The fstab line looks like this: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 > > I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google > skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? I am currenly having the same problem on a 512 Mb SD, SanDisk On my desktop machine running Gentoo, It says it is full after 256 or so. I find that If I unmount the card, then remount it I am able to fill it further. On my laptop, Debian unstable, it works in one shot. odd... -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 05:09:26 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:09:26 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <420C37EA.8060101-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: The only time I've seen that sort of goofie-ness the partition table on my disk was cooked. I re-partitioned the whole thing and it got better. Along the lines of formating ext3, you might dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo and then make a new vfat on it? Does /var/log/messages have any more information ? -Joseph- On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:22 -0500, Nezumikozo wrote: > Has this card ever showed the full capacity? Sounds like its half dead. > > > William O'Higgins wrote: > > >I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it > >thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: > > > >cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space > >left on device > > > >And here is the output of df: > > > >/dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card > > > >The fstab line looks like this: > > > >/dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 > > > >I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google > >skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 05:29:49 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:29:49 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <200502110005.31692.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <420C42CD.8020506@truxtar.com> Jason Shein wrote: > On February 11, 2005 03:52 am, William O'Higgins wrote: > >>I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it >>thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: >> >>cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space >>left on device >> >>And here is the output of df: >> >>/dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card >> >>The fstab line looks like this: >> >>/dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 >> >>I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google >>skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? > > > I am currenly having the same problem on a 512 Mb SD, SanDisk > > On my desktop machine running Gentoo, It says it is full after 256 or so. I > find that If I unmount the card, then remount it I am able to fill it > further. > > On my laptop, Debian unstable, it works in one shot. > > odd... > Could this have something to do with the disk buffers? For both Jason and William, try using something like: > /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto,sync,dirsync 0 0 That is the equivalent of running 'sync' after every write. You could also try running 'sync' manually instead of remounting, and see if it has the same effect. N.B. You should be using the 'sync' option on removable media anyways, to prevent problems should the media be accidentally removed without unmounting. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 05:44:19 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:44:19 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <200502110005.31692.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <420C4633.4030101@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason Shein wrote: | On February 11, 2005 03:52 am, William O'Higgins wrote: | |>I have a 1 Gb SD card which works just fine under Linux, except that it |>thinks it's full when it isn't. Here is the error message: |> |>cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/card/linux-penguin.png': No space |>left on device |> |>And here is the output of df: |> |>/dev/sda1 991488 514192 477296 52% /mnt/card |> |>The fstab line looks like this: |> |>/dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |> |>I'd just love to be able to use the whole card, but either my Google |>skills are rusty or this is weird/unusual. Any thoughts? | | | I am currenly having the same problem on a 512 Mb SD, SanDisk | | On my desktop machine running Gentoo, It says it is full after 256 or so. I | find that If I unmount the card, then remount it I am able to fill it | further. | | On my laptop, Debian unstable, it works in one shot. | | odd... | Could this have something to do with the disk buffers? For both Jason and William, try using something like: | /dev/sda1 /mnt/card vfat rw,user,noauto,sync,dirsync 0 0 That is the equivalent of running 'sync' after every write. You could also try running 'sync' manually instead of remounting, and see if it has the same effect. N.B. You should be using the 'sync' option on removable media anyways, to prevent problems should the media be accidentally removed without unmounting. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCDEYjNr1q4W2W338RAr91AKDQZwmEJYXKctkVdvhK+Kpe2twoDgCg4ifc LAqEDa/gGS4hzhFgs5tr6ps= =cfSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 05:47:22 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:47:22 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107808485.5592.84.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jim ruxton wrote: | I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a | way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. | without going into the routers configuration menu? | Jim I don't know if this applies to Netgear routers, but my Linksys router reports IP changes via the SNMP protocol. Perhaps doing a google search on "netgear router SNMP" will show you whether this is possible. [P.S. I am resending this message because the GPG signature failed (at least according to Thunderbird/Enigmail] - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCDEboRreNkzrRRLQRAiKpAJ9WTjlYCLHH3FNBZ1CPW0hqT9JMdwCfRkyu 2PrRREs+/9Ll1fgjw+j39Tk= =IOVV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 06:35:29 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:35:29 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <420C46EA.1080703-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Anton, No this router doesn't support SNMP. It's ok though because others have pointed out alternative methods that seem to work. Except I'm still having trouble figuring out why the following script doesn't work properly for me where it does for other people. If anyone has any suggestions why I'm eager to hear them. # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' I'm using: GNU sed version 4.0.8 curl 7.10.6 My output should be : 65.229.223.184 but its: 65.229.223.184???

 

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Jim > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > jim ruxton wrote: > | I'm sitting on a network behind a wireless Netgear router. Is there a > | way to determine the routers dynamic internet IP address easily ie. > | without going into the routers configuration menu? > | Jim > > I don't know if this applies to Netgear routers, but my Linksys router > reports IP changes via the SNMP protocol. Perhaps doing a google search > on "netgear router SNMP" will show you whether this is possible. > > > [P.S. I am resending this message because the GPG signature failed (at > least according to Thunderbird/Enigmail] > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCDEboRreNkzrRRLQRAiKpAJ9WTjlYCLHH3FNBZ1CPW0hqT9JMdwCfRkyu > 2PrRREs+/9Ll1fgjw+j39Tk= > =IOVV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 10:56:20 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:56:20 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <200502110005.31692.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <420C8F54.5090205@sympatico.ca> How are the files arranged? MS-DOS filesystems used to have a limit of 256 (I think) files or directories in the top level directory. I would have hoped that they'd have got past that by now, but it may be a lingering gotcha. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 12:01:14 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:01:14 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 12:09:26AM -0500, Joseph Kubik wrote: >The only time I've seen that sort of goofie-ness the partition table >on my disk was cooked. I re-partitioned the whole thing and it got >better. That may be next. I tried Anton's suggestion of altering fstab to include calls to sync, but that made no difference. >Does /var/log/messages have any more information ? Tons. Logwatch is having a field day. However, there don't appear to be any errors, save for when I try to mount /dev/sda (which I do for USB keys) when the card is in the reader. >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:43:22 -0500, Nezumikozo wrote: >> Has this card ever showed the full capacity? Sounds like its half dead. The card has never shown full capacity. I hope it's not half dead - that would be tiresome. There was one other suggestion - that there are too many files in the top level directory - well, I doubt it, because there are 147. Thanks though. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 13:39:06 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:39:06 +0200 (IST) Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <420BAD2F.4070706-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > tcs sounds like the little brother of Gnu recode, which handles more charsets > than most people can even imagine could exist; 281, in the version I have. > > William, what do you want to do with these 'junk' characters? It's getting > harder and harder to work in just plain ASCII these days. It just doesn't > support the glyphs that people need to use. So switch to UTF8 ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 13:46:31 2005 From: f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andy Jack) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:46:31 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211120114.GA22765-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211134631.GA12553@seahorse> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 07:01:14AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > The card has never shown full capacity. I hope it's not half dead - > that would be tiresome. > > There was one other suggestion - that there are too many files in the > top level directory - well, I doubt it, because there are 147. Thanks > though. I experienced somewhat similar behaviour with a CF card - it would regularly lock up my (cheapo) MP3 player mysteriously. Turned out there was a bad block or two that was fixed with the following command: mkdosfs -F 32 -c /dev/whatever "-c" checks for bad blocks. "-F 32" specifies FAT32. mkdosfs is, as you might guess, a FAT formatter for *nix. IIRC, formatting under WinXP couldn't rectify the problem. The man page for mkdosfs states that the default number of root entries is 112 or 224 for floppies and 512 for hard disks (although that could be mkdosfs-specific). mkdosfs does have an option to change this number. Possibly, there's a little bit in the middle that's dead? If, by reformatting with bad block checking, you cause the new FAT table to ignore this part, you might be able to recover most of the space. Good luck, Andy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 13:47:54 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:47:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: Removing junk characters from text files? In-Reply-To: <20050210210143.GA18754-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050204132201.GA31227@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420A4522.5080403@interlog.com> <20050209173036.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420A8B36.2040400@sympatico.ca> <20050210170613.GA18175@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050210171508.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <420BAD2F.4070706@sympatico.ca> <20050210210143.GA18754@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > The problem is that I don't know how to obtain values for $junkcharacter > based on the crap I see on the screen. F'rinstance, a CRLF shows up as > ^M in vim (with the a line break) and I know that that is called "\r" in > my replacement string - but I don't know what to call some of this other > stuff that I see. I can't copy/paste it, because it is represented on > the screen as something other than what is found with a regex. Does > that help? k You can run a variety of commands to catch them, among others a simple sed filter that lets only printable ascii through: sed -e 's/[^[:print:]\t]//g' outfile You can run a similar command in vi Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 14:08:28 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:08:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211120114.GA22765-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, William O'Higgins wrote: > There was one other suggestion - that there are too many files in the > top level directory - well, I doubt it, because there are 147... A way to test this: delete one file, then try to create a new really big one. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 14:35:16 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:35:16 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211043508.GA20878-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C30D5.8050501@alteeve.com> <20050211043508.GA20878@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <420CC2A4.7050909@alteeve.com> William O'Higgins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:13:09PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Just for giggles, have you tried what would happen if you reformatted it >>or, better yet, tried reformatting it as ext{2|3}? I imagine you won't >>want to leave it that way if you are using the card in a camera or on a >>MS machine but it would be interesting to see if the problem persists. > > > I am loathe to do this, because one of the purposes of this card is to > go in my MP3 player. Definitely a last resort - though I might be able > to live with a partitioned device that is half ext2 and half vfat - but > first and foremost it must work in the MP3 player. > > >>Off hand though I can't think of a particular reason why this would >>happen. Maybe a driver problem? Doubt it though... Have you tried >>copying files to it from a MS machine? I know that again isn't what you >>care to do over time but as a way of seeing if the media itself is okay. > > > Good thought - luckily (?) I have a Windoze machine handy and I tried it > out. Windoze "cannot create the file or directory", and it shows the > same general behavior - half full, but unwilling to take more data. Is it under warranty? Sounds to me like it's bad hardware. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 14:51:23 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:51:23 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108103729.5010.8.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050211145123.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 01:35:29AM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Anton, No this router doesn't support SNMP. It's ok though > because others have pointed out alternative methods that seem to work. > Except I'm still having trouble figuring out why the following script > doesn't work properly for me where it does for other people. If anyone > has any suggestions why I'm eager to hear them. > > # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > > I'm using: > > GNU sed version 4.0.8 > curl 7.10.6 > > My output should be : > 65.229.223.184 > > but its: > > > 65.229.223.184???

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Here the output is: 67.69.26.43 And that's it. Could you try doing: curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk > myip.log, and include that output in a message (not sure the list does attachments). I am wondering if the output of the site varies in some way based on the ip connecting (that would be weird however). You could also try this one: lynx -dump http://www.myip.dk|head -n 4|tail -n 1|sed -e 's% %%g' Maybe that works better. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 14:54:04 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:54:04 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <420C8F54.5090205-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <420C8F54.5090205@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050211145404.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 05:56:20AM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > How are the files arranged? MS-DOS filesystems used to have a limit of > 256 (I think) files or directories in the top level directory. I would > have hoped that they'd have got past that by now, but it may be a > lingering gotcha. FAT32 fixed that. Of course 1GB can easily be formated with FAT16 although you end up with rather large block size in that case. Not sure if all media card devices would support fat32 of course. If they don't they will have a problem going past 2 or 4GB cards of course. It isn't as if they haven't had close to 10 years to get around to supporting FAT32. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 14:55:41 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:55:41 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211042210.GA20617-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211042210.GA20617@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211145541.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:22:10PM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > Well, that's interesting. Here's the output of df -i: > > /dev/sda1 0 0 0 - /mnt/card > > I checked out a USB storage device with similar parameters, and shows > the same lack of inodes, so I'm not sure what to make of it. FAT doesn't have inodes. It does have a limited number of entries in the root of the filesystem. The limit is 512 entries. Long filenames take multiple entries per file (the excact number being at least 2 and up to however many it takes to store the filename. Longer names use more entries.) Subdirectories do not have such limitations. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:14:44 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:14:44 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211120114.GA22765-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211151444.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 07:01:14AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > That may be next. I tried Anton's suggestion of altering fstab to > include calls to sync, but that made no difference. > > Tons. Logwatch is having a field day. However, there don't appear to > be any errors, save for when I try to mount /dev/sda (which I do for USB > keys) when the card is in the reader. > > The card has never shown full capacity. I hope it's not half dead - > that would be tiresome. > > There was one other suggestion - that there are too many files in the > top level directory - well, I doubt it, because there are 147. Thanks > though. If you use long files names (what vfat is for) then 147 files can easily take 512 dir entries. That would only require average filenames of around 20 characters each. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:16:51 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:16:51 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211134631.GA12553@seahorse> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211134631.GA12553@seahorse> Message-ID: <20050211151651.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 08:46:31AM -0500, Andy Jack wrote: > I experienced somewhat similar behaviour with a CF card - it would > regularly lock up my (cheapo) MP3 player mysteriously. Turned out there > was a bad block or two that was fixed with the following command: > > mkdosfs -F 32 -c /dev/whatever Using fat32 automatically changes the root dir into a normal dir rather than a special dir, and now the dir entry limit disappears for the root dir solving all those problems. > "-c" checks for bad blocks. "-F 32" specifies FAT32. mkdosfs is, as > you might guess, a FAT formatter for *nix. IIRC, formatting under > WinXP couldn't rectify the problem. > > The man page for mkdosfs states that the default number of root entries > is 112 or 224 for floppies and 512 for hard disks (although that could > be mkdosfs-specific). mkdosfs does have an option to change this > number. Yes that was the limit for FAT12 and FAT16. > Possibly, there's a little bit in the middle that's dead? If, by > reformatting with bad block checking, you cause the new FAT table to > ignore this part, you might be able to recover most of the space. Maybe something like dd to read and write the whole device and see if any blocs fail, or the badblocks util (although it might not entirely apply to flash memory cards). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:18:00 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:18:00 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211145404.GG31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200502110005.31692.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <420C8F54.5090205@sympatico.ca> <20050211145404.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <420CCCA8.9040908@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> MS-DOS filesystems used to have a limit of >>256 (I think) files or directories in the top level directory. > > FAT32 fixed that. Then Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > It does have a limited number of entries in the root of the > filesystem. The limit is 512 entries. Long filenames take > multiple entries per file So you're saying it doesn't have a limit, then almost immediately say it does? C'mon, some consistency, please! ;-) Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:21:30 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:21:30 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108103729.5010.8.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Anton, No this router doesn't support SNMP. It's ok though > because others have pointed out alternative methods that seem to work. > Except I'm still having trouble figuring out why the following script > doesn't work properly for me where it does for other people. If anyone > has any suggestions why I'm eager to hear them. > > # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' What is your shell ? You should also use sed -e imho Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:21:06 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:21:06 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211145541.GH31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211042210.GA20617@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211145541.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050211152106.GA23564@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 09:55:41AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >FAT doesn't have inodes. > >It does have a limited number of entries in the root of the filesystem. >The limit is 512 entries. Long filenames take multiple entries per file >(the excact number being at least 2 and up to however many it takes to >store the filename. Longer names use more entries.) Subdirectories do >not have such limitations. That is interesting. The resident files are mp3 files with descriptive, meaningful filenames, i.e. quite long ones. I would mess about with this (briefly, of course) at work, but the case design of my work computer implies a "vga out||USB card-reader" relationship, which is a slight problem. Thanks for the tips. The card is brand new, so if there is a problem I might be able to do something about it. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Each long filename takes multiple dir entries, so it doesn't take many long file anmes to fill the root dir. If you use FAT32 with vfat however, you have no such limit. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 16:05:47 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Feb 2005 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: console window question In-Reply-To: <20050210211620.C83078-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050207180529.382171BAF83@outbox.allstream.net> <20050210211620.C83078@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: Robert Brockway writes: > On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, Tim Writer wrote: > > > Strangely, this does not: > > > > konsole -e login > > > > giving this error: > > > > No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" > > I've seen this when utmp was not where the app was expecting it[1]. utmp has > lived in various places over the life of Unix. All the apps on a particular > Linux distro are supposed to all look for it in the same place but mistakes > do happen. Consider using strace to see where konsole is expecting to find > utmp. The solution would then be a symlink. No, the error's from login so it's something to do with how konsole starts login compared with how xterm starts it. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 16:36:54 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:36:54 -0500 Subject: FC1->FC2 In-Reply-To: <420A309D.1040702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200502090900.29124.BGarel@clublink.ca> <420A309D.1040702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050211113426.03640cb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> I have a pretty full and up to date FC1 system now. I understand apt-get should get me to the next level as well. But does that mean I should use the FC2 version of apt? Thanks, ... www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 17:05:41 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:05:41 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <20050211145123.GF31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050211145123.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1108141541.4066.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Lennart > > Here the output is: 67.69.26.43 > > And that's it. > > Could you try doing: curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk > myip.log I've posted it at the bottom of this message. > include that output in a message (not sure the list does attachments). > I am wondering if the output of the site varies in some way based on the > ip connecting (that would be weird however). If you diff this to your output I'd be curious of the results. > > You could also try this one: > lynx -dump http://www.myip.dk|head -n 4|tail -n 1|sed -e 's% %%g' This works perfectly !! , strange. Does this give any clues as to whats going on? Thanks again for your help with this. Jim Your IP: 64.229.207.55

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-- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 17:10:37 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:10:37 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108141541.4066.15.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050211145123.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1108141541.4066.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050211171037.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 12:05:41PM -0500, jim ruxton wrote: > This works perfectly !! , strange. Does this give any clues as to whats > going on? Nope, no clue. The output looks the same, and sed should have matched it. As another message saudm sed was missing a -e, but I am pretty sure that shouldn't have broken it the way it did. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 17:12:56 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:12:56 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway In-Reply-To: <20050211152106.GA23564-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211042210.GA20617@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211145541.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050211152106.GA23564@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211171256.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:21:06AM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > That is interesting. The resident files are mp3 files with descriptive, > meaningful filenames, i.e. quite long ones. I would mess about with > this (briefly, of course) at work, but the case design of my work > computer implies a "vga out||USB card-reader" relationship, which is a > slight problem. Thanks for the tips. > > The card is brand new, so if there is a problem I might be able to do > something about it. If the player supports FAT32, use that (it's more space efficient in general since it uses smaller blocks than FAT16), and it supports as many files in the root dir as you want. If that isn't an option, start using subdirectories. If the player doesn't like that, it's a crappy player. Of course any decent player would use mp3 id tags for the display, and ignore the filenames, in which case one could simply use msdos instead of vfat for mounting it and avoid the use of long filenames for all the songs. I would consider that the least desirable option though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 17:53:59 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:53:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: console window question In-Reply-To: References: <20050207180529.382171BAF83@outbox.allstream.net> <20050210211620.C83078@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050211175044.B2239@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, Tim Writer wrote: > No, the error's from login so it's something to do with how konsole starts > login compared with how xterm starts it. It could still be related to the location of utmp given that /bin/login accesses it also. Ie, login and xterm may be in agreement about where utmp is while konsole disagrees. It's just a thought anyway, I've also seen this error from screwed libraries and (iirc, many years ago) from a screwed shadow setup. Did you try stracing konsole and xterm? Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 18:46:31 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:46:31 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20050211151444.GI31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211151444.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050211184631.GA24543@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 10:14:44AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> There was one other suggestion - that there are too many files in the >> top level directory - well, I doubt it, because there are 147. Thanks >> though. > >If you use long files names (what vfat is for) then 147 files can easily >take 512 dir entries. That would only require average filenames of >around 20 characters each. That was it. I removed a file and put a larger one back (I should know better than to test with the same data every time) and it took, so the diagnosis of FAT stupidity was correct. I created a directory in the root of the card, mv'd everything into it, and added another 400Mb of files, and it all works fine. Is there a way I can see if the filesystem is FAT16 or FAT32? Thanks to all who replied. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 19:17:58 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:17:58 -0500 Subject: Simple question.....not so simple answer :( Message-ID: <200502111417.58368.BGarel@clublink.ca> I have a USB webcam...where do I have to do to make this thing work? If anyone cares it's a cheapy ViewQuest Technologies cam running on SimplyMEPIS Thanks in advance Brian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 19:29:37 2005 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:29:37 -0500 Subject: Simple question.....not so simple answer :( In-Reply-To: <200502111417.58368.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502111417.58368.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <200502111429.38002.BGarel@clublink.ca> On Friday 11 February 2005 2:17, Brian K. Garel wrote: > I have a USB webcam...where do I have to do to make this thing work? errrr ummmm.....what do I have to do that is ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 15:04:49 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:04:49 +0000 Subject: Simple question.....not so simple answer :( In-Reply-To: <200502111417.58368.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502111417.58368.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <200502111504.49882.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 11, 2005 07:17 pm, Brian K. Garel wrote: > I have a USB webcam...where do I have to do to make this thing work? > > If anyone cares it's a cheapy ViewQuest Technologies cam running on > SimplyMEPIS > > Thanks in advance > > Brian > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml The linux webcam howto http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 20:31:31 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:31:31 -0500 Subject: SD Card only fills halfway - SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <20050211035245.GA20410@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <420C37EA.8060101@sympatico.ca> <20050211120114.GA22765@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20050211151444.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050211184631.GA24543@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050211203131.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 03:25:18PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > file to the rescue! > > $ sudo file -Ls /dev/hda5 > /dev/hda5: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > > (and it displays other stuff for different FSes, of course...though it > doesn't seem to recognise ReiserFS on my box) Yeah file is great. I just recreated a lost partition table using dd and file and a bash for loop. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 21:24:31 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:24:31 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question Message-ID: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> How do I add two values? a=2; A*A=4 but A+A=22 Been searching google to no avail... Thanks in advance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 21:27:44 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:27:44 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <420D228F.3060304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1108157264.4517.38.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 16:24 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > How do I add two values? > > a=2; > > A*A=4 but A+A=22 > > Been searching google to no avail... > > Thanks in advance. Yeah, javascript is stupid like that. The plus sign is the concat as well as add. I usually do (A * 1) + (A * 1) = 4 ugly, but it works :). This makes sure that js knows you are dealing with numbers and not strings. There is probably another way but this works for me. Later > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 21:31:42 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:31:42 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <420D228F.3060304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:24:31 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > How do I add two values? > > a=2; > > A*A=4 but A+A=22 > Something like String.toInt() ? http://www.svendtofte.com/code/usefull_prototypes/ -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 21:46:29 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:29 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <1108157264.4517.38.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> <1108157264.4517.38.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <420D27B5.3080408@alteeve.com> Devin Whalen wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 16:24 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > >>How do I add two values? >> >>a=2; >> >>A*A=4 but A+A=22 >> >>Been searching google to no avail... >> >>Thanks in advance. > > > > Yeah, javascript is stupid like that. The plus sign is the concat as > well as add. I usually do (A * 1) + (A * 1) = 4 > ugly, but it works :). This makes sure that js knows you are dealing > with numbers and not strings. There is probably another way but this > works for me. > > Later > It's quick! It's simple! It works for me! ;) Thanks! Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 21:51:16 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:51:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <420D27B5.3080408-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <420D27B5.3080408@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Devin Whalen wrote: > Yeah, javascript is stupid like that. The last two words of that sentence are redundant. :-) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 22:02:09 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:09 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: References: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1108159329.4517.51.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 16:31 -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:24:31 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > > How do I add two values? > > > > a=2; > > > > A*A=4 but A+A=22 > > > > Something like String.toInt() ? > http://www.svendtofte.com/code/usefull_prototypes/ > Actually, that function returns an array of integers: String.toInt .toInt() This function allows you to quickly transform a string into an array of ints, much like an char array in C or similar languages. The method returns the int array, and does not transform the original string. And the integers are actually charCodes not the actual integer values. So, if you used A.toInt() and A was 2 then it would return 50 (I am pretty sure). And even then it would concat the numbers together so you would get 5050 when doing A.toInt() + A.toInt(); Plus, it is not part of the core javascript, it is a prototype that the person who owns that website built. So in order to use it you would have to download his code and reference it in your javascript. There really should be a toInt function or something along those lines but then as Henry says: > Yeah, javascript is stupid like that. > > The last two words of that sentence are redundant. :-) Kinda sums up javascript right there :). Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 11 23:54:31 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:54:31 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1108166071.4064.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 10:21, Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > > > Thanks Anton, No this router doesn't support SNMP. It's ok though > > because others have pointed out alternative methods that seem to work. > > Except I'm still having trouble figuring out why the following script > > doesn't work properly for me where it does for other people. If anyone > > has any suggestions why I'm eager to hear them. > > > > # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > > What is your shell ? You should also use sed -e imho GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) It doesn't make a difference whether I include the -e or not Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 12 15:52:55 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:52:55 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) Thinking of becoming an authorized beta tester of Novell Message-ID: <420DE007.28359.1C6977@localhost> See forwarded message below. RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "NW on Novell NetWare Tips" To: Subject: Thinking of becoming an authorized beta tester of Novell Client for Linux? Date sent: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:20:00 -0600 Send reply to: "Novell NetWare Tips Help" NETWORK WORLD NEWSLETTER: DAVE KEARNS ON NOVELL NETWARE TIPS 02/08/05 Today's focus: Thinking of becoming an authorized beta tester of Novell Client for Linux? In this issue: * Responsibilities of a Novell authorized beta tester * Links related to Novell NetWare Tips * Featured reader resource Today's focus: Thinking of becoming an authorized beta tester of Novell Client for Linux? By Dave Kearns It seems like we've been talking about the NetWare client for Linux for years. In fact, we have. But the arrival of this beast - now called the Novell Client for Linux - should actually occur within the next few months. Late May, early June seems likely for first shipments. If you want to get your hands on it now and if you have both the proper test bed as well as the discipline needed then you might consider becoming an authorized beta tester. But don't dither too long; the selection process will soon close. Get all of the details at then head to to fill out the qualification survey. If you just want product details on the client for Linux, then browse to the product page http://www.nwfusion.com/nlnovell1029. Becoming an authorized beta tester does involve more than simply promising to install, run, and file bug reports about the product, by the way. Among the things you are required to do are: * Test the product for a minimum of 5 to 10 hours a week. * Install the product within 48 hours of receiving it. * Complete provided test cases within one week after each beta release is installed. * Report on defects found during beta testing within one business day. * Regress defects found with product refresh code. * Participate in conference calls, as scheduled. * Answer survey questions, as needed. * Periodically report feedback to development on reliability, stability, and readiness of product for the marketplace. * Provide feedback regarding product documentation and help systems. * Host on-site visits from Novell as needed. * Participate in the Novell Beta Test Program under a formal Non-Disclosure Agreement. * Provide the required hardware to adequately test the product. It's a major commitment of time and effort, but can be richly rewarding and satisfying as you help shape the final product. There's sure to be a large turnout from the Linux and open source community willing to make that commitment - I'd hope the NetWare community would be just as eager to volunteer. _______________________________________________________________ To contact: Dave Kearns Dave Kearns is a writer and consultant in Silicon Valley. He's written a number of books including the (sadly) now out of print "Peter Norton's Complete Guide to Networks." His musings can be found at Virtual Quill . Kearns is the author of three Network World Newsletters: Windows Networking Tips, Novell NetWare Tips, and Identity Management. Comments about these newsletters should be sent to him at these respective addresses: , , . Kearns provides content services to network vendors: books, manuals, white papers, lectures and seminars, marketing, technical marketing and support documents. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 12 17:07:53 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:07:53 -0500 Subject: APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC, and RIPE IP addresses Message-ID: <20050212170753.GA738@m450> Proof positive that you actually can learn stuff by reading NANAE. The regional registries have public lists of their allocations, for your blocking pleasure, for those of you who run your own inbound MTA's. Listings, by country, of ASNs, IPV4 blocks, and IPV6 blocks ftp://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest Zone files, we got zone files, yeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaah ftp://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/zones/ Equivalants for other regions; note slightly different naming convention for RIPE. ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/zones/ ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/zones/ ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/zones/ The regions also have partial mirrors of each other's listings. I don't know how complete or up-to-date they are. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 12 15:13:01 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:13:01 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108166071.4064.3.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108166071.4064.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 10:21, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: >> >>> Thanks Anton, No this router doesn't support SNMP. It's ok though >>> because others have pointed out alternative methods that seem to work. >>> Except I'm still having trouble figuring out why the following script >>> doesn't work properly for me where it does for other people. If anyone >>> has any suggestions why I'm eager to hear them. >>> >>> # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' >> >> What is your shell ? You should also use sed -e imho > GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) > > It doesn't make a difference whether I include the -e or not > Jim Try this, does it work ?: echo "abc IP: 1.2.3.4"|sed 's/.* IP: \(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hanoglu-ueTEkjIHS1VWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 12 20:56:58 2005 From: hanoglu-ueTEkjIHS1VWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Burhan Hanoglu) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:58 -0500 Subject: Simple question.....not so simple answer :( In-Reply-To: <200502111417.58368.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502111417.58368.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <420E6D9A.3040306@ideefixe.com> Brian K. Garel wrote: >I have a USB webcam...where do I have to do to make this thing work? > > Unplug it and open the terminal, do " su - " to be root and then do " tail -f /var/log/messages " . Plug your webcam and see what happening on the terminal. You should see something like " ...device has registered as videoX..." . If so, you can use it with any utility such as Gnome Meeting. BURHAN -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 12 21:10:58 2005 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:10:58 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1107973064.5783.164.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050208105405.3fc03426.joehill@sympatico.ca> <1107973064.5783.164.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050212161058.555859fd.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:17:45 -0500 jim ruxton disseminated the following: > Thanks Joe, > I'm finding out there are lots of ways to do this. > I tried the script using the following command: > # ./zoneclient.py -8 password username password 192.168.0.1 > > (where username and passsword are replaced by the real ones) > and I keep getting > http://192.168.0.1/sysstatus.html > zoneclient.py: ERROR RETURNED > > Any idea why it's giving me an error? Sorry, if I could decipher a Python script...well, I wouldn't be as poor maybe as I am :-( I can't even test it here as I do not use any of the router/firewalls that are supposed to respond to the script, which is why I bounce of of the DynDNS reflector. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 16:07:50 up 41 days, 4:49, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged." -- Noam Chomsky -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 04:05:31 2005 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:05:31 -0500 Subject: Fedora2 -> Fedora3 In-Reply-To: <1108043565.28079.12.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1108043565.28079.12.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <420ED20B.9060505@utoronto.ca> Alan Cohen wrote: >By comparison to others on this list, I'm still a newbie. I've been >happily using Fedora2 and have regularly kept it current with yum. > >I didn't realize that each Fedora release has a very limited life time. >I'm not interested in bleeding edge. Frankly, I'm principally concerned >with security fixes. > - how will I know when it's time to upgrade from Fedora2 to Fedora3? > - how do I do that? > >My regular "yum update" has been relatively benign, but I presume that >upgrading to a new release is not to be taken lightly! Advice? > > > If you're not using any non-standard repositories (or packages) then upgrading shouldn't be much of an issue. Even if you are using non-standard repositories or packages things should still be alright. It worked fine for me and I've been guilty of "mixing" allegedly incompatible repositories. If you're not interested in the bleeding edge but want to stay up to date on security then I would suggest upgrading only when your version is no longer actively supported. Officially, when Fedora stops supporting a release then Fedora Legacy starts supporting it but I wouldn't rely on their support for long as they are a relatively small group with a big mandate. So putting those two things together I would suggest upgrading to the latest version once your current version is transfered to Fedora Legacy. Now, FC2 is scheduled to be transfered to Fedora Legacy on March 21st when FC4 Test 2 is released. Thus, I would wait until around May (about a month after FC4 has been released) to upgrade straight to FC4. This ensures that you don't have to rely on Fedora Legacy to provide security patches for too long but that you don't jump into FC4 until the dust has settled. As to how to upgrade, just download the ISOs, burn them and boot as if doing a new install. It should detect the old installation and give you the option to upgrade. (In theory you could upgrade with yum like Debian users do with apt but I'm not sure how much I would suggest that and I've never heard of anyone trying it.) Hope this helps. Regards, Marcus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 05:52:07 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:52:07 -0500 Subject: Fedora2 -> Fedora3 In-Reply-To: <420ED20B.9060505-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <1108043565.28079.12.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <420ED20B.9060505@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050213004841.03653480@pop1.sympatico.ca> I'm going to try yum: w. advice from here: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.html At 11:05 PM 2/12/05, you wrote: >Alan Cohen wrote: ................. >As to how to upgrade, just download the ISOs, burn them and boot as if >doing a new install. It should detect the old installation and give you >the option to upgrade. (In theory you could upgrade with yum like Debian >users do with apt but I'm not sure how much I would suggest that and I've >never heard of anyone trying it.) > >Hope this helps. > >Regards, >Marcus >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 07:58:35 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:58:35 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108166071.4064.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1108281515.5883.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > echo "abc IP: 1.2.3.4"|sed 's/.* IP: \(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' > Yup this works?? Jim > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 09:51:25 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:51:25 +0200 (IST) Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: <1108281515.5883.20.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108166071.4064.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108281515.5883.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, jim ruxton wrote: > >> >> echo "abc IP: 1.2.3.4"|sed 's/.* IP: \(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' >> > Yup this works?? Therefore whatever that site returns does not match the regexp above. Fix the regexp. I suggest that a better regexp will be: 's/IP:[ \t]*\(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' (and this time pipe the output of curl into it). If it still does not work, *do* look at the output of curl character by character, f.ex. using od -Ax -tax1 good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 15:49:06 2005 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:49:06 -0500 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro Message-ID: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> In addition to refurbishing PC's and giving them away to people. The last few months of my hobby has now moved into making up CD's for Windows users and giving them away. ?This all started with Spreading Firefox. My goal is to expose people (Windows users) to great Open Source software which is also available for Linux. I'm over 50 on my distribution so far. On this Windows disk I put Limewire and Azureus. I have also put some free software from various software makers on it ie Adaware, AVG, Sygate. ?There are so many naked boxes connected to the net without any protection. I have given some of them Live Linux CD's and just about everyone is blown away. They also feel quite comfortable with it because of the transition software like : Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, Gaim. What I would like to do is put together a disk with as much of this software as possible. The software would have to be available for both Linux and Windows. Phase 2 would be to do the same with a Live Linux "Transition" Distro. I would appreciate any suggestions on software to add to this list and if anybody can provide any gotchas / info on building such a distro. I know there is a book out about Knoppix hacks by Oreilly however I'm not sure if this is the book I need. I have also looked at ?A Temporary Internet Lounge Revisited: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8081 by Colin McGregor. Which was very helpful. Any help would be appreciated. TIA John ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 16:09:28 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:09:28 -0500 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <1108310968.8031.6.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 10:49 -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > I have also put some > free software from various software makers on it ie Adaware, AVG, > Sygate. AVG is no longer free -- its now time limited shareware and its also become far more complicated to configure -- well beyond the capabilities of the average Windows user IMHO. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 17:35:13 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:35:13 -0500 Subject: TCP connects, but UDP doesn't ? Message-ID: <20050213173513.GA5673@node1.opengeometry.net> Can someone kick me in the right direction? On the local machine, I can connect to ports 37 (Time) and 13 (Daytime) using TCP and UDP, if I specify 127.0.0.1, ie. netdate tcp 127.0.0.1 --> works netdate udp 127.0.0.1 --> works But, specifying 192.168.1.1 instead, only TCP side connects, ie. netdate tcp 192.168.1.1 --> works netdate udp 192.168.1.1 --> netdate: read: Connection refused My /etc/inetd.conf has both TCP and UDP of 37 and 13 ports opened, ie. time stream tcp nowait root internal time dgram udp wait root internal -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 12:43:57 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:43:57 +0000 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <200502131243.57522.jason@detachednetworks.ca> > I have given some of them Live Linux CD's and just about everyone is > blown away. They also feel quite comfortable with it because of the > transition software like : Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, Gaim. > > What I would like to do is put together a disk with as much of this > software as possible. The software would have to be available for both > Linux and Windows. This is a good start. I give these out to people before I switch them over to linux. It gives them a feel of the quality of the software available from the community. http://www.theopencd.org/ -snip- The following applications are included on TheOpenCD 2.0. Productivity * OpenOffice 1.1.3 * AbiWord 2.2.1 * PDFCreator 0.8 Design * GIMP 2.0.5 * Blender 2.35a * Dia 0.94 * TuxPaint 0.9.14 Internet/Networking * FireFox 1.0 * Thunderbird 1.0 * Mozilla suite 1.7.3 * Gaim 1.1.0 * Filezilla 2.2.9 * TightVNC 1.3dev6 * WinHTTrack 3.32-2 Multimedia * Audacity 1.2.3 * Celestia 1.3.2 * CDex 1.51 Utilities * 7-zip 3.13 * Notepad2 1.0.12 * SciTE 1.62 Games * Sokoban 1.187 * Battle for Wesnoth 0.8.8 * Lbreakout 2.4.1 -snip- -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 17:46:14 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:46:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: TCP connects, but UDP doesn't ? In-Reply-To: <20050213173513.GA5673-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050213173513.GA5673@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, William Park wrote: > On the local machine, I can connect to ports 37 (Time) and 13 (Daytime) > using TCP and UDP, if I specify 127.0.0.1... > But, specifying 192.168.1.1 instead, only TCP side connects... Firewall filtering set to exclude UDP? Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 17:51:07 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:51:07 -0500 Subject: TCP connects, but UDP doesn't ? In-Reply-To: <20050213173513.GA5673-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050213173513.GA5673@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050213175107.GA2084@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 12:35:13PM -0500, William Park wrote: > Can someone kick me in the right direction? > > On the local machine, I can connect to ports 37 (Time) and 13 (Daytime) > using TCP and UDP, if I specify 127.0.0.1, ie. > > netdate tcp 127.0.0.1 --> works > netdate udp 127.0.0.1 --> works > > But, specifying 192.168.1.1 instead, only TCP side connects, ie. > > netdate tcp 192.168.1.1 --> works > netdate udp 192.168.1.1 --> netdate: read: Connection refused > > My /etc/inetd.conf has both TCP and UDP of 37 and 13 ports opened, ie. > > time stream tcp nowait root internal > time dgram udp wait root internal Sorry for the noise. I should've read manpage: inetd provides several ``trivial'' services internally by use of routines within itself. These services are ``echo'', ``discard'', ``chargen'' (character generator), ``daytime'' (human readable time), and ``time'' (machine readable time, in the form of the number of seconds since mid- night, January 1, 1900). All of these services are TCP based. For details of these services, consult the appropriate RFC from the Network Information Center. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 17:56:48 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: getting IP address of router In-Reply-To: References: <1107808485.5592.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> <420C46EA.1080703@truxtar.com> <1108103729.5010.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108166071.4064.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1108281515.5883.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1108317408.5855.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> > >> echo "abc IP: 1.2.3.4"|sed 's/.* IP: \(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' > >> > > Yup this works?? > > Therefore whatever that site returns does not match the regexp above. > Fix the regexp. I suggest that a better regexp will be: > > 's/IP:[ \t]*\(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/' > > (and this time pipe the output of curl into it). If it still does not > work, *do* look at the output of curl character by character, f.ex. > using od -Ax -tax1 Thanks Peter. Strange thing is that the same script works for other people. It must be shell or version dependant? # curl -s -o - http://www.myip.dk | sed 's%.* IP: \(.*\).*%\1%' > > good luck, > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 18:01:40 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:01:40 -0500 Subject: TCP connects, but UDP doesn't ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050213173513.GA5673@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050213180140.GA2217@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 12:46:14PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, William Park wrote: > > On the local machine, I can connect to ports 37 (Time) and 13 (Daytime) > > using TCP and UDP, if I specify 127.0.0.1... > > But, specifying 192.168.1.1 instead, only TCP side connects... > > Firewall filtering set to exclude UDP? That's the first thing I check. I just discovered from manpages of 'inetd' that port 37/13 is only TCP. Still, I'm confused by the fact that netdate udp localhost netdate tcp localhost both work, but netdate udp 127.0.0.1 netdate tcp 127.0.0.1 only TCP works. I think 'netdate' internally translates to TCP if it sees "localhost" on command line. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 18:55:39 2005 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:55:39 -0500 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <1108310968.8031.6.camel@localhost> References: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> <1108310968.8031.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200502131355.39393.jmyshrall@golden.net> On February 13, 2005 11:09, John McGregor wrote: > On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 10:49 -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > > I have also put some > > free software from various software makers on it ie Adaware, AVG, > > Sygate. > > AVG is no longer free -- its now time limited shareware and its also > become far more complicated to configure -- well beyond the > capabilities of the average Windows user IMHO. > > John > According to AVG it is. Go here. http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/ John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 19:39:44 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:39:44 -0500 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <200502131355.39393.jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> <1108310968.8031.6.camel@localhost> <200502131355.39393.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <1108323584.15938.3.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 13:55 -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > According to AVG it is. Go here. > http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/ > That's good news. As of two weeks ago, the link to the free version was pointing to the free trial of the professional version. They must have gotten more than a few complaints. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 14:50:48 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:50:48 +0000 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro In-Reply-To: <200502131355.39393.jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131049.06070.jmyshrall@golden.net> <1108310968.8031.6.camel@localhost> <200502131355.39393.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <200502131450.49011.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 13, 2005 06:55 pm, John Myshrall wrote: > On February 13, 2005 11:09, John McGregor wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 10:49 -0500, John Myshrall wrote: > > > I have also put some > > > free software from various software makers on it ie Adaware, AVG, > > > Sygate. > > > > AVG is no longer free -- its now time limited shareware and its also > > become far more complicated to configure -- well beyond the > > capabilities of the average Windows user IMHO. > > > > John > > According to AVG it is. Go here. > http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/ > > John > Avast Antivirus works extremely well for those who are stuck in a windows environment. There is a free home edition here http://avast.com/eng/down_home.html Download & install then register for a free home-user serial. This outperforms most retail AV programs out there ( ie norton ), and is OK for new users to grasp. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 19:45:20 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:45:20 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup Message-ID: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> Howdy all, A while ago, I found that I needed to do 'xhost +' to allow myself to log-in as root and run certain apps like Synaptic. It turned out, in the ensuing discussion, that 'xhost +' isn't exactly the most secure command in the world, and I found that 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' did the trick better (or so I'm led to believe). Problem is, I'm not sure how to add this to the startup routine. I tried adding it to /etc/init.d, but it's not recognized. So my question is: do I append an existing start-up script, or is there a way to register a start-up script of my own so that my system recognizes it? Many thanks, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 20:02:19 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:02:19 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050213200219.GA9826@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > > Howdy all, > > A while ago, I found that I needed to do 'xhost +' to allow myself to log-in > as root and run certain apps like Synaptic. It turned out, in the ensuing > discussion, that 'xhost +' isn't exactly the most secure command in the > world, and I found that 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' did the trick > better (or so I'm led to believe). Problem is, I'm not sure how to add this > to the startup routine. I tried adding it to /etc/init.d, but it's not > recognized. So my question is: do I append an existing start-up script, or > is there a way to register a start-up script of my own so that my system > recognizes it? Locate 'rc.local' in your system. On mine, it's /etc/rc.d/rc.local. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 20:10:22 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:10:22 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <20050213200219.GA9826-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050213200219.GA9826@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200502131510.22908.m-cahill@rogers.com> On February 13, 2005 03:02 pm, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: >> So my question is: do I append an > > existing start-up script, or is there a way to register a start-up script > > of my own so that my system recognizes it? > > Locate 'rc.local' in your system. On mine, it's /etc/rc.d/rc.local. I don't have 'rc.local' on my system (or an /rc.d/ directory for that matter). (!?) Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 20:16:22 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:16:22 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050213200219.GA9826@node1.opengeometry.net> <200502131510.22908.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: Mightn't it be in rc.somenumber? The number depending on init? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Cahill" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: adding command to startup > On February 13, 2005 03:02 pm, William Park wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: >>> So my question is: do I append an >> > existing start-up script, or is there a way to register a start-up >> > script >> > of my own so that my system recognizes it? >> >> Locate 'rc.local' in your system. On mine, it's /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > I don't have 'rc.local' on my system (or an /rc.d/ directory for that > matter). (!?) > > Matt > > > -- > Matt Cahill > m dash cahill at rogers dot com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 20:25:25 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:25:25 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200502131510.22908.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200502131525.25645.m-cahill@rogers.com> On February 13, 2005 03:16 pm, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Mightn't it be in rc.somenumber? The number depending on init? Just to clarify - are you suggesting I put the script in one of the 'rc#.d' folders? M -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 13 22:21:33 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:21:33 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200502131721.33788.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 13 February 2005 14:45, Matt Cahill wrote: > the world, and I found that 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' did the > trick better (or so I'm led to believe). Problem is, I'm not sure how to > add this to the startup routine. I tried adding it to /etc/init.d, but I'm not sure of the correct way to automate merging the keys but you could "apt-get install gksu" then you can launch synaptic with the command line "gksu synaptic" ... no need to su first, no need to worry about xauth, xhost, etc. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 00:23:52 2005 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:23:52 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200502131510.22908.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200502131525.25645.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: Well yes, if indeed you have a group of rc.# folders, find the runlevel you want and put it in there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Cahill" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: adding command to startup > On February 13, 2005 03:16 pm, Jamon Camisso wrote: >> Mightn't it be in rc.somenumber? The number depending on init? > > Just to clarify - are you suggesting I put the script in one of the > 'rc#.d' > folders? > > M > > -- > Matt Cahill > m dash cahill at rogers dot com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 03:07:04 2005 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: 14 Feb 2005 03:07:04 -0000 Subject: Transition Software - Live Linux Distro Message-ID: <20050214030704.28378.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> >What I would like to do is put together a disk with as much of this=20 >software as possible. The software would have to be available for both=20 >Linux and Windows.=20 You'll include Audacity, of course... Chris From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 05:13:03 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:13:03 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200502131510.22908.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200502131525.25645.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: Or, If you want it to be user specific, you could add the line to .bashrc for each user. -Joseph- On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:23:52 -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Well yes, if indeed you have a group of rc.# folders, find the runlevel you > want and put it in there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Cahill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: adding command to startup > > > On February 13, 2005 03:16 pm, Jamon Camisso wrote: > >> Mightn't it be in rc.somenumber? The number depending on init? > > > > Just to clarify - are you suggesting I put the script in one of the > > 'rc#.d' > > folders? > > > > M > > > > -- > > Matt Cahill > > m dash cahill at rogers dot com > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 05:55:18 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:55:18 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? Message-ID: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am trying to set up my first all-Linux network. Until now most of my networks have been based on MS clients or, more often, networks where "normal" communication was using web-based front ends. As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user to a given machine. Is there a way (google hasn't helped yet) to have a script run when a user enters their name and password? This way, I hope, I could write a script that would not mount anything off NFS until the user logs in and then mount the appropriate NFS share when the user validates him or herself. Is there any how-tos or other helpful information someone could point me to? It would be a real help! Thank you! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 05:56:26 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:26 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? In-Reply-To: <42103D46.8010403-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <42103D8A.1020304@alteeve.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to set up my first all-Linux network. Until now most of my > networks have been based on MS clients or, more often, networks where > "normal" communication was using web-based front ends. > > As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to > each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the > server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is > have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over > Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory > which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user > to a given machine. > > Is there a way (google hasn't helped yet) to have a script run when a > user enters their name and password? This way, I hope, I could write a > script that would not mount anything off NFS until the user logs in and > then mount the appropriate NFS share when the user validates him or > herself. > > Is there any how-tos or other helpful information someone could point > me to? It would be a real help! Thank you! > > Madison > Woops, Forgot to mention; I am currently using Fedora Core 3. :) Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 14:22:22 2005 From: JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org (Jim Skehill) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:22:22 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question Message-ID: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206B@RIKER> Our you sure you have that right? I note that you change the variable name from a to A, but, in javascript, variable names are case-sensitive so this will generate an error. I typed up the following html document as a test. Add Test
Add Test
Move Here
Place the cursor on the edit labelled Add Test , type in anything, then move away (e.g. to the edit labelled Move Here). The contents of the first edit gets replaced with the result calculated by the javascript function AddTest. On both IE and Firefox the result is 4. BTW if you replace the line: a = 2: with a = '2': then you get 22. Regards, Jim. -----Original Message----- From: Lance F. Squire [mailto:lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 4:25 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Stupid Javascript question How do I add two values? a=2; A*A=4 but A+A=22 Been searching google to no avail... Thanks in advance. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 15:13:07 2005 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:13:07 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? In-Reply-To: <42103D8A.1020304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> <42103D8A.1020304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: These are IMNSHO the best large campus computing environments ever created: http://www.eos.ncsu.edu/about/index.html http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/athena/index.html The ARLA project has some neat distributed filesystem stuff going on: http://www.stacken.kth.se/projekt/arla/ The simple but less neat answer is: rsync a minimal home dir to each box overnight (or use KERB??) that automaticly re-mounts $HOME to some samba share (NFS is kinda ugly) (.bashrc: mount /server/$user ./) -Joseph- On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:56:26 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am trying to set up my first all-Linux network. Until now most of my > > networks have been based on MS clients or, more often, networks where > > "normal" communication was using web-based front ends. > > > > As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to > > each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the > > server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is > > have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over > > Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory > > which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user > > to a given machine. > > > > Is there a way (google hasn't helped yet) to have a script run when a > > user enters their name and password? This way, I hope, I could write a > > script that would not mount anything off NFS until the user logs in and > > then mount the appropriate NFS share when the user validates him or > > herself. > > > > Is there any how-tos or other helpful information someone could point > > me to? It would be a real help! Thank you! > > > > Madison > > > > Woops, > > Forgot to mention; I am currently using Fedora Core 3. > > :) > > Madison > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Madison Kelly (Digimer) > TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up > http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 15:45:12 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:45:12 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206B@RIKER> References: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206B@RIKER> Message-ID: <4210C788.3070007@alteeve.com> Jim Skehill wrote: > Our you sure you have that right? > > I note that you change the variable name from a to A, but, in javascript, > variable names are case-sensitive so this will generate an error. > My bad, should have read: > A=2; > > A*A=4 but A+A=22 > Still worked that way though. (A*1)+(A*1) fixed. Thanks, Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emir.alikadic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:02:40 2005 From: emir.alikadic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emir Alikadic) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:02:40 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home Message-ID: <9e23f73805021408027289606c@mail.gmail.com> http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. -- Emir. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." [H.L. Mencken] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:11:03 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:11:03 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? In-Reply-To: <42103D46.8010403-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4210CD97.1050502@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Madison Kelly wrote: | As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to | each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the | server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is | have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over | Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory | which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user | to a given machine. I don't know what you're talking about with "limit the system to one user to a given machine". The usual way to do this is NIS and NFS. You can throw automounter into the mix too, if you're working with more than a dozen or so active users. If you're dead set against NFS (or some other networked filesystem), then you might take a look at unison instead of rsync - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEM2Wgfzn5SevSpoRAsoEAJwKyRS8EMYPb7fubWQdeIcvGrWuHwCfTGQD c5rEskYUVUOmm+qclQGF72c= =VbqJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:18:25 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:18:25 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? In-Reply-To: <42103D46.8010403-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050214161825.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:55:18AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to set up my first all-Linux network. Until now most of > my networks have been based on MS clients or, more often, networks where > "normal" communication was using web-based front ends. > > As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to > each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the > server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is > have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over > Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory > which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user > to a given machine. Nothing prevents you from having a central file server that uses NFS to serve /home to all other machines. I have done so in the past and it works great, and the user can log in to any machine and have their files and setup. This is NOT like samba/windows shares which are mounted per user, NFS is mounted for all users. The requirement for NFS being that the uid/usernames MUST match across all machines, unless you want to use a name mapping process. Some people use NIS or LDAP to maintain one password server too, so that when the user changes their password, it takes effect for all machines automatically (since they all use the password server to authenticate the user). > Is there a way (google hasn't helped yet) to have a script run when a > user enters their name and password? This way, I hope, I could write a > script that would not mount anything off NFS until the user logs in and > then mount the appropriate NFS share when the user validates him or > herself. That would be silly. Mounting /home at boot would take care of any user that connects. > Is there any how-tos or other helpful information someone could point > me to? It would be a real help! Thank you! Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:20:16 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:20:16 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050214162016.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > A while ago, I found that I needed to do 'xhost +' to allow myself to log-in > as root and run certain apps like Synaptic. It turned out, in the ensuing > discussion, that 'xhost +' isn't exactly the most secure command in the > world, and I found that 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' did the trick > better (or so I'm led to believe). Problem is, I'm not sure how to add this > to the startup routine. I tried adding it to /etc/init.d, but it's not > recognized. So my question is: do I append an existing start-up script, or > is there a way to register a start-up script of my own so that my system > recognizes it? Hmm, I thought the xauth merge was only required once, and then stayed in effect forever. Doesn't yours behave that way? I wonder if the xauth cookies are updated on each login. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 11:31:12 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:31:12 +0000 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <9e23f73805021408027289606c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <9e23f73805021408027289606c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200502141131.12897.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 14, 2005 04:02 pm, Emir Alikadic wrote: > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 > > Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. > > Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. I am interested if you still have it. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:30:34 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:30:34 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <20050214162016.GQ31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050214162016.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <166883734.20050214113034@rogers.com> Monday, February 14, 2005, 11:20:16 AM, you wrote: LS> On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: >> A while ago, I found that I needed to do 'xhost +' to allow myself to log-in >> as root and run certain apps like Synaptic. It turned out, in the ensuing >> discussion, that 'xhost +' isn't exactly the most secure command in the >> world, and I found that 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' did the trick >> better (or so I'm led to believe). Problem is, I'm not sure how to add this >> to the startup routine. I tried adding it to /etc/init.d, but it's not >> recognized. So my question is: do I append an existing start-up script, or >> is there a way to register a start-up script of my own so that my system >> recognizes it? LS> Hmm, I thought the xauth merge was only required once, and then stayed LS> in effect forever. Doesn't yours behave that way? I wonder if the LS> xauth cookies are updated on each login. LS> Lennart Sorensen Lennart, Well, this is the thing (strange as it is): if I type 'xauth merge /home/matt/.Xauthority' (as root), it works for as long as my computer is running. As soon as I reboot, I need to do it again. As this is an area I have very little knowledge of, I'm not sure what's 'right' and what's 'weird'. I *do* know that it's inconvenient ;) Cheers, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 11:37:53 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:37:53 +0000 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <200502141131.12897.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <9e23f73805021408027289606c@mail.gmail.com> <200502141131.12897.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200502141137.53766.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 14, 2005 11:31 am, Jason Shein wrote: > On February 14, 2005 04:02 pm, Emir Alikadic wrote: > > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 > > > > Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. > > > > Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. > > I am interested if you still have it. Oops... my apologies. "Off list" Plain as day Time for more coffee. I guess some sleep might do the trick as well. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:30:16 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:30:16 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206B@RIKER> References: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206B@RIKER> Message-ID: <1108398616.32432.8.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 09:22 -0500, Jim Skehill wrote: > Our you sure you have that right? > > I note that you change the variable name from a to A, but, in javascript, > variable names are case-sensitive so this will generate an error. > > I typed up the following html document as a test. > > > Add Test > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Add Test > > onchange="AddTest(this)" > >
> Move Here > > >
> > > > Place the cursor on the edit labelled Add Test , type in anything, then move > away (e.g. to the edit labelled Move Here). The contents of the first edit > gets replaced with the result calculated by the javascript function AddTest. > On both IE and Firefox the result is 4. > > BTW if you replace the line: > a = 2: > with > a = '2': > then you get 22. > > Regards, > Jim. > You are right, replacing a ='2' with a=2 will work. However, I have rarely written a javascript function where I hard-code two variables and add them together. The majority of the time my calculations are based on user input in text boxes or select boxes. So try your example but get your value from the input box. Any value that comes from input boxes on a form are always string values. This is why you have to "trick" javascript into thinking your string value is a number or else you will just concat your two values. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 16:49:09 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:49:09 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <166883734.20050214113034-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050214162016.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <166883734.20050214113034@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050214164909.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:30:34AM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > Well, this is the thing (strange as it is): if I type 'xauth merge > /home/matt/.Xauthority' (as root), it works for as long as my > computer is running. As soon as I reboot, I need to do it again. > As this is an area I have very little knowledge of, I'm not sure > what's 'right' and what's 'weird'. I *do* know that it's > inconvenient ;) Well I haven't really played with xauth for some years, so it is likely what used to work, is now considered a security problem, and that is not generates new xauth cookies on each startup of X. Perhaps one of those 'su and enable X' script is the simplest then. Someone suggest 'gksu'. I have also seen 'sux'. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 17:27:16 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:27:16 -0500 Subject: Debian network install Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> My son and I are both considering Debian. One problem for me is getting a network driver for the realtek RTL8139/810x. No luck so far, and debian.org's search facility is down. FWIW, I'd be trying to install on my Acer laptop. I've been frustrated with dependency problems for FC2 -> FC3 and know that there are Debian users on this list. Any help appreciated. www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 12:45:19 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:45:19 +0000 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 14, 2005 05:27 pm, Elliott Chapin wrote: > My son and I are both considering Debian. One problem for me is getting a > network driver for the realtek RTL8139/810x. No luck so far, and > debian.org's search facility is down. FWIW, I'd be trying to install on my > Acer laptop. I've been frustrated with dependency problems for FC2 -> FC3 > and know that there are Debian users on this list. Boot the install cd type modprobe rtl8139 then configure the card as normal -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 17:44:49 2005 From: JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org (Jim Skehill) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:44:49 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question Message-ID: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD206C@RIKER> >You are right, replacing a ='2' with a=2 will work. However, I have >rarely written a javascript function where I hard-code two variables and >add them together. The majority of the time my calculations are based >on user input in text boxes or select boxes. So try your example but >get your value from the input box. Any value that comes from input >boxes on a form are always string values. This is why you have to >"trick" javascript into thinking your string value is a number or else >you will just concat your two values. If what you want to do is convert a string to a number , I prefer the syntax aNumber = new Number(aString); It makes it pretty clear what you are doing. For example in my previous AddTest function if you wanted to take the input value and add it to itself it would look like this: function AddTest(input) { a = new Number(input.value); input.value = a+a; } -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 17:45:43 2005 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:45:43 -0500 Subject: Stupid Javascript question In-Reply-To: <420D228F.3060304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <420D228F.3060304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4210E3C7.3050007@pobox.com> Lance F. Squire wrote: > How do I add two values? > > a=2; > > A*A=4 but A+A=22 > > Been searching google to no avail... What kind of values? Given the above example, the variable a (lowercase) contains a number, and a+a = 4, as you would expect. If I were to read your mind, I would guess that you're trying to accept user input and add it together. Well clearly you can't add strings -- what the user inputs -- and expect a number to pop out magically. Have a look at parseInt(). And find a copy of the Netscape javascript guide and reference, it's still the best introductory stuff written. Javascript is weakly typed, like Perl. Devin's kludge takes advantage of this fact to get Javascript to coerce strings into numbers. It's actually a nice little language if you get to know it (think scheme with infix notation, sans macros). But it's always hosted in browsers, which suck, and commonly used with the DOM api, which sucks indescribably. (DOM is so bad that one of its creators apologized for it in his blog. ;) That and most javascript guides target people who think HTML is a complicated programming language. See http://www.crockford.com/javascript/javascript.html . He also has links to the Netscape guides. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 17:49:54 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:49:54 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <200502141245.19476.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Thanks, Jason, but I'm using floppies. So? At 07:45 AM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On February 14, 2005 05:27 pm, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > My son and I are both considering Debian. One problem for me is getting a > > network driver for the realtek RTL8139/810x. No luck so far, and > > debian.org's search facility is down. FWIW, I'd be trying to install on my > > Acer laptop. I've been frustrated with dependency problems for FC2 -> FC3 > > and know that there are Debian users on this list. > >Boot the install cd > >type modprobe rtl8139 > >then configure the card as normal > > >-- >Jason Shein >Director of Networking, Operations and Systems >Detached Networks >jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org >( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice >( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile >http://www.detachednetworks.ca >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 17:51:38 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:51:38 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050214175138.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:27:16PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > My son and I are both considering Debian. One problem for me is getting a > network driver for the realtek RTL8139/810x. No luck so far, and > debian.org's search facility is down. FWIW, I'd be trying to install on my > Acer laptop. I've been frustrated with dependency problems for FC2 -> FC3 > and know that there are Debian users on this list. > > Any help appreciated. Well the 8139 driver is called 8139too. I haven't encountered a revision that the debian installer didn't support personally, but given the number of revisions realtek has made, I wouldn't be surprised if they had managed to make yet another incompatible revision with the same model number. Which version of debian are you trying to install and using which installer (and revision)? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 13:10:16 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:10:16 +0000 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 14, 2005 05:49 pm, Elliott Chapin wrote: > Thanks, Jason, but I'm using floppies. So? Which floppy set / release / kernel There are 4 driver disks available... Is booting from the minimal cd not an option? -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:21:43 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:21:43 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <200502141310.17153.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 08:10 AM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On February 14, 2005 05:49 pm, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > Thanks, Jason, but I'm using floppies. So? > >Which floppy set / release / kernel 3.0 apparently. I got rescue.bin and root.bin from .../current/images-1.44/ >There are 4 driver disks available... Somewhere on www.Debian.org, I presume. >Is booting from the minimal cd not an option? I don't have one right now; no burner either. >-- >Jason Shein >Director of Networking, Operations and Systems >Detached Networks >jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org >( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice >( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile >http://www.detachednetworks.ca >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:22:53 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:22:53 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <9e23f73805021408027289606c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <9e23f73805021408027289606c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050214182253.GA2554@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:02:40AM -0500, Emir Alikadic wrote: > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 > > Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. > > Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. Good price. I want it. :-) What time and place? -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:23:14 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:23:14 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <20050214175138.GS31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214175138.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214132224.0365deb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 12:51 PM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:27:16PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > My son and I are both considering Debian. One problem for me is getting a > > network driver for the realtek RTL8139/810x. No luck so far, and > > debian.org's search facility is down. FWIW, I'd be trying to install > on my > > Acer laptop. I've been frustrated with dependency problems for FC2 -> FC3 > > and know that there are Debian users on this list. > > > > Any help appreciated. > >Well the 8139 driver is called 8139too. I haven't encountered a >revision that the debian installer didn't support personally, but given >the number of revisions realtek has made, I wouldn't be surprised if >they had managed to make yet another incompatible revision with the same >model number. I'll look for that. >Which version of debian are you trying to install and using which >installer (and revision)? See my msg. to Jason. >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:24:18 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:24:18 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:21:43PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > 3.0 apparently. I got rescue.bin and root.bin from .../current/images-1.44/ And which base floppies did you download? You must have all of them to install by floppy since that is where all the device drivers come from. With sarge (3.1 'beta') you can get away with the boot, root and netinstall driver floppies (3 total). I have done that and it worked well. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:27:03 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214132224.0365deb0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214175138.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214132224.0365deb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050214182703.GU31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:23:14PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > I'll look for that. It will be installed when you load the drivers from floppies. The root and boot disks contain very little, the rest comes from installing drivers, and then base. Get all 6 floppy images from: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/bf2.4/ Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:50:35 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <20050214182418.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214134738.03654de0@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 01:24 PM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:21:43PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > 3.0 apparently. I got rescue.bin and root.bin from > .../current/images-1.44/ > >And which base floppies did you download? You must have all of them to >install by floppy since that is where all the device drivers come from. I didn't have the sense or whatever to get the base floppies. >With sarge (3.1 'beta') you can get away with the boot, root and >netinstall driver floppies (3 total). I have done that and it worked >well. I think I'll try it. >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 18:48:55 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:48:55 +0200 (IST) Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: > Thanks, Jason, but I'm using floppies. So? imho obtain a knoppix cd, boot it, and open a shell and write down the loaded modules. knoppix is based on debian so the list will likely be correct. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 19:33:42 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Feb 2005 14:33:42 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: <20050214164909.GR31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050214162016.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <166883734.20050214113034@rogers.com> <20050214164909.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:30:34AM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: > > Well, this is the thing (strange as it is): if I type 'xauth merge > > /home/matt/.Xauthority' (as root), it works for as long as my > > computer is running. As soon as I reboot, I need to do it again. > > As this is an area I have very little knowledge of, I'm not sure > > what's 'right' and what's 'weird'. I *do* know that it's > > inconvenient ;) > > Well I haven't really played with xauth for some years, so it is likely > what used to work, is now considered a security problem, and that is not > generates new xauth cookies on each startup of X. Quoting from the xauth man page: Normally xauth is not used to create the authority file entry in the first place; xdm does that. And on my system, X is run (from gdm) like this: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth \ -nolisten tcp vt7 which strongly suggests the authority file is generated by gdm. In any case, the authorization information used by the X server is usually specific to each instance (of the X server), so you would have to merge your credentials whenever you login (to X) as [xgk]dm may start a new instance of the X server whenever you login. If you're using gdm, you can do this in your /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default script which is run as root, just after you've authenticated but before your session is started. This is documented in the gdm reference manual available from the GNOME help system. There are similar mechanisms for xdm and kdm. The rc scripts (/etc/init.d/rc?.d/* or /etc/rc.d/*) are not the right place for this kind of thing because it's user specific and needs to be done at login not at boot. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 19:40:08 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Feb 2005 14:40:08 -0500 Subject: "Roaming profiles" style system... suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20050214161825.GP31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42103D46.8010403@alteeve.com> <20050214161825.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 12:55:18AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am trying to set up my first all-Linux network. Until now most of > > my networks have been based on MS clients or, more often, networks where > > "normal" communication was using web-based front ends. > > > > As it stands I am currently planning to have the server connect to > > each client at night using 'rsync' and copying any deltas over to the > > server before running a backup. What I would really like to do though is > > have a setup similar to MS' "roaming profiles" like I used to use over > > Samba. I know that I could use an NFS share as the user's home directory > > which is mounted at boot. That though would limit the system to one user > > to a given machine. > > Nothing prevents you from having a central file server that uses NFS to > serve /home to all other machines. I have done so in the past and it > works great, and the user can log in to any machine and have their files > and setup. This is NOT like samba/windows shares which are mounted per > user, NFS is mounted for all users. The requirement for NFS being that > the uid/usernames MUST match across all machines, unless you want to use > a name mapping process. Some people use NIS or LDAP to maintain one > password server too, so that when the user changes their password, it > takes effect for all machines automatically (since they all use the > password server to authenticate the user). > > > Is there a way (google hasn't helped yet) to have a script run when a > > user enters their name and password? This way, I hope, I could write a > > script that would not mount anything off NFS until the user logs in and > > then mount the appropriate NFS share when the user validates him or > > herself. > > That would be silly. Mounting /home at boot would take care of any user > that connects. I agree with all of Lennart's advice except this. Mounting /home at boot makes your network much more unstable in the event of problems with your NFS server. If you only have a few clients, it's not much of an issue but if you have many clients it can be a huge problem. Use either an automounter or a script run as root by [xkg]dm to mount the user's home on demand. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 19:42:20 2005 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:42:20 -0500 Subject: adding command to startup In-Reply-To: References: <200502131445.20828.m-cahill@rogers.com> <20050214162016.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <166883734.20050214113034@rogers.com> <20050214164909.GR31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <454341105.20050214144220@rogers.com> Monday, February 14, 2005, 2:33:42 PM, you wrote: TW> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 11:30:34AM -0500, Matt Cahill wrote: >> > Well, this is the thing (strange as it is): if I type 'xauth merge >> > /home/matt/.Xauthority' (as root), it works for as long as my >> > computer is running. As soon as I reboot, I need to do it again. >> > As this is an area I have very little knowledge of, I'm not sure >> > what's 'right' and what's 'weird'. I *do* know that it's >> > inconvenient ;) >> >> Well I haven't really played with xauth for some years, so it is likely >> what used to work, is now considered a security problem, and that is not >> generates new xauth cookies on each startup of X. TW> Quoting from the xauth man page: TW> Normally xauth is not used to create the authority file entry in the TW> first place; xdm does that. TW> And on my system, X is run (from gdm) like this: TW> /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth \ TW> -nolisten tcp vt7 TW> which strongly suggests the authority file is generated by gdm. TW> In any case, the authorization information used by the X server is usually TW> specific to each instance (of the X server), so you would have to merge your TW> credentials whenever you login (to X) as [xgk]dm may start a new instance of TW> the X server whenever you login. If you're using gdm, you can do this in TW> your /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default script which is run as root, just after TW> you've authenticated but before your session is started. This is documented TW> in the gdm reference manual available from the GNOME help system. There are TW> similar mechanisms for xdm and kdm. The rc scripts (/etc/init.d/rc?.d/* or TW> /etc/rc.d/*) are not the right place for this kind of thing because it's TW> user specific and needs to be done at login not at boot. Tim, That makes a lot of sense. I wonder if this is related to switching over to kdm (from gdm). In light of what you're saying, I'd bet money the answer lies in the kdm config. Thank you very much for laying it out as clearly as you did. It's hard to connect the dots when I'm focusing on singular issues (without knowing how they interrelate). Cheers, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com ?Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education? Free medical care? Free whatever? It comes from Moscow. From Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell.? - Texas state Rep. Debbie Riddle -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emir.alikadic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 20:37:32 2005 From: emir.alikadic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emir Alikadic) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:37:32 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <9e23f73805021408027289606c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <9e23f73805021408027289606c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e23f738050214123746a96a76@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:02:40 -0500, Emir Alikadic wrote: > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 > > Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. > > Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. Case goes to Phillip Qin, who responded first (within 4 minutes from the posting). Thanks to everyone who responded, it generated quite an interest (it seems that a lot of people like getting a $125+tax case for free...) -- Emir. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." [H.L. Mencken] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 19:28:41 2005 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:28:41 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <420279E9.8050703-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Hey David, Good to hear you are still beavering away. I have been busily looking for work, and have found work, with a sart-up company, which whilst promising, it is still at early stages and I won't be getting paid for a little while...so I'm not doing that full time yet! So, I'm at the stage where I'm looking for some part-time or casual work to keep me off the streets ;) If you know of anything going, please let me know. I have a friend coming over from Australia tomorrow, and I might drop by with him sometime in the next week, if that's ok. Anyway, that's me. Did you make it to the Feb TLUG meeting? I haven't even been following the list for a while! Regards, David On Thursday 03 February 2005 14:22, David J Patrick wrote: > If you have been following the continuing saga of linuxcaffe, you might > have wondered "what the heck is going on ?". > The website hasn't changed, the storefront is still just green, the > "linuxcaffe" TLUG posts have subsided, have I given up yet ? > > NO WAY ! > > I'm just head-down reno guy, working on the physical space, that's all ! > I found the TikiWiki tweaking was cutting into my reno time, so (as it > was really a stand-in, anyways) I'm devoting full time to operation > "opening-soon". > > So what's new ? > > core admin team/ website developers established > bathroom plumbing > paint > retail displays > lighting grid > lights in the grid > rewire everything > LOBOS shelves > server hardware > POS hardware > phone line (416-534-2116) > more paint > ventilation systems complete > radiators installed > trim and > logo design (85%) > mail box > espresso machine > slicer > dishes > laundry sink > chairs recovered > tables painted > > What's coming up ? > > counters & cabinetry > more plumbing > more electrical > window "bars" (steel wire spider webs) > server set-up > thin client (Thinkpad) acquisition and setup > more graphic design > website creation > lighting control system > legal document creation (user agreements, artist licenses, liability > waivers etc) > establishment of standard hardware/software base (for the linux boxes we > will sell) > > How can you help ? > > physical labour (if you like that sort of thing) > donate hardware (unloved CPUs, monitors, USB routers webcams, wiring etc.) > legal (know any linuxy lawyers ?) > writing articles/reviews (once the new website is up) > > If you are sysadmin inclined, we will be looking for a gaggle of geeks > to remotely administer systems of new linux users. (more on that to > follow) email me off-list, if you are interested. > Once the servers are up and the (new) website is online, there will be > many more things to do, but much of the development can happen after > the doors are open. > > So despite website inactivity, sparse linuxcaffe related postings, and > unchanging storefront, things are happening ! > > Thanks to all who have contributed, so far, and in advance, for those > who plan to ! > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 21:21:29 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:21:29 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <200502141428.41616.david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <42111659.2070207@sympatico.ca> David Colebatch wrote: >Hey David, > >Good to hear you are still beavering away. I have been busily looking for >work, and have found work, with a sart-up company, which whilst promising, it >is still at early stages and I won't be getting paid for a little while...so >I'm not doing that full time yet! > > geez, Dingo Dave, if you're working for start-ups for frrreee, why not come work for me ? i'm kidding ! >So, I'm at the stage where I'm looking for some part-time or casual work to >keep me off the streets ;) If you know of anything going, please let me >know. > > I'll keep my eyes open. >I have a friend coming over from Australia tomorrow, and I might drop by with >him sometime in the next week, if that's ok. > > that would great ! call first ! >Anyway, that's me. Did you make it to the Feb TLUG meeting? > yup ! A nice fellow named Scott came to tell us about his project that was not longer open source and then went on to try to explain to a bunch of propellerhead penguins exacty what was open source anyway... hmmm .. >I haven't even >been following the list for a while! > > tut tut ! later dude ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 21:55:18 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (teddy mills) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:55:18 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers Message-ID: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> I have to install about 100 servers into a small space in 5 large blocks of 20 each. I thought of using 5 small blocks of BladeServers. I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. Im not keen on buying IBM right now. Then there is Dell, but the're not innovators, just good copiers. Then there is the HP. I know HP makes enterprise hardware, but anyone have any good/bad experience with Blade Servers? What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even smaller? Thats why I like the blades. They occupy the least amount of space. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 22:00:26 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:00:26 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42111E46.2030303-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> Message-ID: <42111F7A.2030401@alteeve.com> teddy mills wrote: > > I have to install about 100 servers into a small space in 5 large blocks > of 20 each. > I thought of using 5 small blocks of BladeServers. > > I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. > Im not keen on buying IBM right now. > Then there is Dell, but the're not innovators, just good copiers. > Then there is the HP. I know HP makes enterprise hardware, but anyone > have any good/bad > experience with Blade Servers? > > What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even > smaller? > Thats why I like the blades. They occupy the least amount of space. I may be wrong but didn't IBM only sell their Thinkpad line? I believe (though may be wrong) that they still build their own servers. If I was in a crunch, of the choices available, I would probably go with HP/Compaq though IBM, if it is indeed still IBM, would be my first choice. Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 22:04:12 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:04:12 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42111E46.2030303-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050214220412.GV31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 04:55:18PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > I have to install about 100 servers into a small space in 5 large blocks > of 20 each. > I thought of using 5 small blocks of BladeServers. > > I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. > Im not keen on buying IBM right now. Well they are trying to. Does that include the IBM servers though? Perhaps the servers are part of another division. I don't know that's for sure. > Then there is Dell, but the're not innovators, just good copiers. > Then there is the HP. I know HP makes enterprise hardware, but anyone > have any good/bad > experience with Blade Servers? > > What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even > smaller? > Thats why I like the blades. They occupy the least amount of space. Well you certainly can get lots of 1U systems from various companies, which means 42 machines per standard rack. What kind of disk space, ram, processing ability, etc, does each system, need to have? Lennart Sorensen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 22:33:57 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:33:57 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42111E46.2030303-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20050214223357.GA4725@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 04:55:18PM -0500, teddy mills wrote: > > I have to install about 100 servers into a small space in 5 large > blocks of 20 each. I thought of using 5 small blocks of BladeServers. > > I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. Im > not keen on buying IBM right now. Then there is Dell, but the're not > innovators, just good copiers. Then there is the HP. I know HP makes > enterprise hardware, but anyone have any good/bad experience with > Blade Servers? > > What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even > smaller? Thats why I like the blades. They occupy the least amount of > space. It depends on what each machine gotta have inside. - what motherboard size, - how many ethernet port, - how many harddisks, - any CDs or floppy. 1U rackmount cases are the usual answer. But, overall, you can pack micro-ATX motherboards and cases with equal efficiency, space-wise. If 1x5.25", 2x3.5", and 210x190mm board meet your requirment, then you can use my thin-client components. Contact me off-list. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 23:08:42 2005 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:08:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42111E46.2030303-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> Message-ID: <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> > > I have to install about 100 servers into a small space in 5 large blocks > of 20 each. > I thought of using 5 small blocks of BladeServers. > > I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. > Im not keen on buying IBM right now. > Then there is Dell, but the're not innovators, just good copiers. > Then there is the HP. I know HP makes enterprise hardware, but anyone > have any good/bad > experience with Blade Servers? > > What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even > smaller? > Thats why I like the blades. They occupy the least amount of space. > I really liked working on Sun's b1600 blade system. It's 3U high and fits 16 units. b100x - Single athlon blade b200x - Dual xeon blade (2 units wide) b100s - Single USparc b10n - load balancing b10p - SSL offloading http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/blade/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 14 23:23:16 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:23:16 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42111E46.2030303-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> Message-ID: <200502141823.17072.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 14 February 2005 16:55, teddy mills wrote: > I would go with IBM, but they sold all their PC sales to Lenova. > Im not keen on buying IBM right now. Only PC division, and it's not certain that US gov will even let them sell that ... "national security". > Then there is Dell, but the're not innovators, just good copiers. > Then there is the HP. I know HP makes enterprise hardware, but anyone > have any good/bad > experience with Blade Servers? My company uses a lot of blade servers but I haven't yet been involved with them yet, still I would assume there aren't many reliability issues since we continue to deploy them. I'm pretty sure they're IBM HS20 (or is that JS20), they run SLES8 at the moment. For what purpose do you need so many machines, raw number crunching power or something else? If it's not for number crunching capabilities then a number of reasonably powerful servers combined with virtualization might do the trick? There is open source Xen for Linux virtualization, or there's hardware level virtualization as in an IBM OpenPower 720 (or similar), I suspect there are altenative virtualization technologies as well (commercial and OSS). Webhosting companies often use virtualization for providing multiple "root" servers. > What about reliable small form factor PCs? Like shuttle PCs, but even > smaller? I'd be surprised if small and reliable exists except in blade format. Small form factor PCs have been crap IME. One possibility might be the multiple servers in a 1U though, I recall seeing 4 narrow PCs jammed into a single 1U chassis, that might not get you quite to blade density but closer at least ... if these machines are still available. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 02:33:04 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:33:04 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <20050214182418.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720@pop1.sympatico.ca> Your Sarge suggestion could be going worse, but there appears to be something wrong with net-drivers.img. (?) At 01:24 PM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:21:43PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > 3.0 apparently. I got rescue.bin and root.bin from > .../current/images-1.44/ > >And which base floppies did you download? You must have all of them to >install by floppy since that is where all the device drivers come from. > >With sarge (3.1 'beta') you can get away with the boot, root and >netinstall driver floppies (3 total). I have done that and it worked >well. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 04:01:54 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:01:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <200502141428.41616.david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <20050215035631.Q21259@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, David Colebatch wrote: > I have a friend coming over from Australia tomorrow, and I might drop by with > him sometime in the next week, if that's ok. It's an invasion, and now it's too late for the Canadians to do anything about it. I've been gathering useful bits of information like how to tip in restaurants (since we Aussies don't) in order to train our 5th column. After we take over we're going to make everyone learn how to play Cricket! Then you'll be sorry. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 04:14:12 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:14:12 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <20050214182418.GT31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214231011.0363feb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> In retrospect, I might have been dealing with a w98 renaming glitch when I couldn't finish the sarge way. I've made all the woody floppies. At 01:24 PM 2/14/05, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 01:21:43PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > 3.0 apparently. I got rescue.bin and root.bin from > .../current/images-1.44/ > >And which base floppies did you download? You must have all of them to >install by floppy since that is where all the device drivers come from. > >With sarge (3.1 'beta') you can get away with the boot, root and >netinstall driver floppies (3 total). I have done that and it worked >well. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 04:36:30 2005 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:36:30 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new Message-ID: <42117C4E.3030804@sympatico.ca> > After we take over we're going to make everyone learn how to play > Cricket! > Then you'll be sorry. If its this kind of cricket behaviour, maybe not! :lol: http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/dispatch/story/0,12978,1210126,00.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 14:41:03 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:41:03 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home Message-ID: Thx for the case. My arms are so soring. Now I am looking for free MB and CPU.:) -----Original Message----- From: Emir Alikadic [mailto:emir.alikadic-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org] Sent: February 14, 2005 3:38 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Antec Tower case free to a good home On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:02:40 -0500, Emir Alikadic wrote: > http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=81046 > > Pick up in Bay/Bloor area. > > Contact me off list if you want it, first come first served basis. Case goes to Phillip Qin, who responded first (within 4 minutes from the posting). Thanks to everyone who responded, it generated quite an interest (it seems that a lot of people like getting a $125+tax case for free...) -- Emir. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." [H.L. Mencken] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:42110c25304891324951994! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 14:50:04 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:50:04 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel-hrWuGRo80rQeegXK/nGKYqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> Message-ID: <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 06:08:42PM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > I really liked working on Sun's b1600 blade system. It's 3U high and fits > 16 units. > > b100x - Single athlon blade > b200x - Dual xeon blade (2 units wide) I thought Sun had discontinued all intel based systems. Or are they just not designing any new ones? > b100s - Single USparc > b10n - load balancing > b10p - SSL offloading > > http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/blade/ > > Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:02:05 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:02:05 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050215150205.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:33:04PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > Your Sarge suggestion could be going worse, but there appears to be > something wrong with net-drivers.img. (?) I just downloaded the root, boot and net-drivers floppy images from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer (cliking on others for i386 then floppy), and tried them in vmware, and so far they worked perfectly. Remember to write each one to a floppy with rawrite, or dd or the like, and preferably test it as well (dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=18k) to make sure it has no read errors. Floppies are amazingly unreliable after all. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:09:57 2005 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:09:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <20050215145004.GW31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 06:08:42PM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> >> >> I really liked working on Sun's b1600 blade system. It's 3U high and >> fits >> 16 units. >> >> b100x - Single athlon blade >> b200x - Dual xeon blade (2 units wide) > > I thought Sun had discontinued all intel based systems. Or are they > just not designing any new ones? Not exactly. There is a push to go forward with x86-64 hardware, which doens't neccesarily disqualify intel now that they've co-opted amd's instruction set. That said, expect more of both amd and intel based hardware in the future. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:12:23 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:12:23 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel-hrWuGRo80rQeegXK/nGKYqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> Message-ID: <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:09:57AM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > Not exactly. There is a push to go forward with x86-64 hardware, which > doens't neccesarily disqualify intel now that they've co-opted amd's > instruction set. Instruction set yes, performance no. Throwing an instruction set for 64bit onto a 32bit chip design doesn't make a 64bit chip. So far the amd64 debian port has found the amd speeds up in 64 bit mode on average, while the intel em64t chips slow down. > That said, expect more of both amd and intel based hardware in the future. I guess it customers ask for them, they will make them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:18:17 2005 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:18:17 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <20050215150205.GX31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050215150205.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050215101008.03644860@pop1.sympatico.ca> Thanks very much. Having used some poor diskettes for woody I tried setting up sarge w. some of what was left. Fdimage appeared to work, but boot stalled when the kernel was supposed to be loading. So I'm going to get a box of higher grade floppies and try again in a couple of days when I'm not too busy. At 10:02 AM 2/15/05, you wrote: >On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:33:04PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: > > Your Sarge suggestion could be going worse, but there appears to be > > something wrong with net-drivers.img. (?) > >I just downloaded the root, boot and net-drivers floppy images from >www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer (cliking on others for i386 then >floppy), and tried them in vmware, and so far they worked perfectly. > >Remember to write each one to a floppy with rawrite, or dd or the like, >and preferably test it as well (dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=18k) to >make sure it has no read errors. Floppies are amazingly unreliable >after all. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:20:16 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:20:16 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <20050215151223.GY31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Sorensen wrote: | On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:09:57AM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: | |>Not exactly. There is a push to go forward with x86-64 hardware, which |>doens't neccesarily disqualify intel now that they've co-opted amd's |>instruction set. | | | Instruction set yes, performance no. Throwing an instruction set for | 64bit onto a 32bit chip design doesn't make a 64bit chip. So far the | amd64 debian port has found the amd speeds up in 64 bit mode on average, | while the intel em64t chips slow down. No kidding. It's a 32bit core. Anyway, Intel totally missed the point. It's not only the 64bit instruction set, it's the integrated MMU and Hypertransport architecture. Multiprocessor Opteron systems absolutely dominate multiprocessor Xeons. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEhMvgfzn5SevSpoRAkwXAKCSi1F1zXahSDXSHqoKZbxXx3QSCgCgpNDN wkTa7KTUq/+8/p9fj0QiRE8= =4oWS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:21:50 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:21:50 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050215101008.03644860-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050215150205.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050215101008.03644860@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4212138E.60708@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You may as well just buy a burner and some blanks. Floppies suck. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A Elliott Chapin wrote: | Thanks very much. Having used some poor diskettes for woody I tried | setting up sarge w. some of what was left. Fdimage appeared to work, but | boot stalled when the kernel was supposed to be loading. So I'm going to | get a box of higher grade floppies and try again in a couple of days | when I'm not too busy. | | At 10:02 AM 2/15/05, you wrote: | |> On Mon, Feb 14, 2005 at 09:33:04PM -0500, Elliott Chapin wrote: |> > Your Sarge suggestion could be going worse, but there appears to be |> > something wrong with net-drivers.img. (?) |> |> I just downloaded the root, boot and net-drivers floppy images from |> www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer (cliking on others for i386 then |> floppy), and tried them in vmware, and so far they worked perfectly. |> |> Remember to write each one to a floppy with rawrite, or dd or the like, |> and preferably test it as well (dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=18k) to |> make sure it has no read errors. Floppies are amazingly unreliable |> after all. |> |> Lennart Sorensen |> -- |> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org |> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns |> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml | | | | www3.sympatico.ca/echapin | | -- | The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org | TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns | How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCEhOIgfzn5SevSpoRAtAVAKCAlWz31yEptiCRrghTIPe4F4CKcwCdHKsl Md3EwhMBMQlo6ydQjJ0llj0= =kIfg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 15:34:54 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:34:54 -0500 Subject: Debian network install In-Reply-To: <4212138E.60708-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050214121919.03650eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141245.19476.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214124828.0365b8e0@pop1.sympatico.ca> <200502141310.17153.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214131735.03653b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050214182418.GT31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050214213117.03666720@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20050215150205.GX31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <6.2.1.2.2.20050215101008.03644860@pop1.sympatico.ca> <4212138E.60708@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20050215153454.GZ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:21:50AM -0500, Andrew Hammond wrote: > You may as well just buy a burner and some blanks. Floppies suck. Good point. What does a CD burner cost now? $40? A box of floppies? $20? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 16:49:16 2005 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:49:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <42121330.3060802-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > | On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 10:09:57AM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > | > |>Not exactly. There is a push to go forward with x86-64 hardware, which > |>doens't neccesarily disqualify intel now that they've co-opted amd's > |>instruction set. > | > | > | Instruction set yes, performance no. Throwing an instruction set for > | 64bit onto a 32bit chip design doesn't make a 64bit chip. So far the > | amd64 debian port has found the amd speeds up in 64 bit mode on average, > | while the intel em64t chips slow down. > > No kidding. It's a 32bit core. What makes you think em64t is a 32bit core? > Anyway, Intel totally missed the point. > It's not only the 64bit instruction set, it's the integrated MMU and > Hypertransport architecture. Um, I hope you mean AMD's integration of the northbridge on die, which happens to have an IOMMU. FWIW: the 80286 had an integrated segmenting mmu. the 80386 had both an segmenting and paging mmu. > Multiprocessor Opteron systems absolutely > dominate multiprocessor Xeons. > Yes, Yes they do. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 17:17:06 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:17:06 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42122E92.3040007@sympatico.ca> Phillip Qin wrote: > Thx for the case. My arms are so soring. Now I am looking for free MB > and CPU.:) Hey, enough of that! This isn't Toronto Freecycle, ya know. ;-) Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 17:39:28 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:39:28 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel-hrWuGRo80rQeegXK/nGKYqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> Message-ID: <20050215173928.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:49:16AM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > What makes you think em64t is a 32bit core? The performance it shows in 64bit mode, and that intel kept telling people that no one needed 64bit, and then suddenly had it. Sure didn't sound like time for a new design, just a patch of more extensions to the addressing parts of the cpu. Intel also only claims it is the same chip with 64bit addressing extensions. They don't claim it is a 64bit cpu. it can allocate more than 4GB ram to a single application, which may help some databases, but it doesn't operate other 64bit things as fast as 32bit. It also uses a bounce buffer in hardware to do 64bit addressing to hardware addresses, which adds a bit of latency, which the amd64 doesn't have or need. > Um, I hope you mean AMD's integration of the northbridge on die, which > happens to have an IOMMU. Well having the memory controller certainly is part of making it run faster. Using hypertransport as the cpu to cpu link and cpu to other chipset component link seems sensible. The alpha based bus of the athlon was nice, but hypertransport seems like an even better design choice. I personally never liked the P4 from the day I saw the first reviews of it's design, it just seemed like a step backwards from the P3. The Pentium M on the other hand (which continues the P6 core from the PPro and P2/P3 is much more impresive. I hope some day it will actually officially become a desktop CPU and the P4 can go where it belongs, and hopefully intel will never let marketing design their CPUs again. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 18:00:09 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:00:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050215180009.73778.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Phillip Qin wrote: > Thx for the case. My arms are so soring. Now I am > looking for free MB and > CPU.:) Well, I can have a look around the office here at G.T.C.C. and I MIGHT be able to help (emphasis on the word might). However if I can find something free it would be slow/old. How slow is too old for you? How slow is too slow for you? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 18:06:03 2005 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:06:03 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <20050215035631.Q21259-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <20050215035631.Q21259@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <200502151306.03264.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On February 14, 2005 23:01, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, David Colebatch wrote: > > I have a friend coming over from Australia tomorrow, and I might drop by > > with him sometime in the next week, if that's ok. > > It's an invasion, and now it's too late for the Canadians to do anything > about it. > > I've been gathering useful bits of information like how to tip in > restaurants (since we Aussies don't) in order to train our 5th column. 5th column you say? How do you disguise the accents? :) > After we take over we're going to make everyone learn how to play Cricket! > Then you'll be sorry. Cricket... isn't that the game that you can come back to weeks later and not have missed a thing? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 18:24:05 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:05 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <200502151306.03264.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <20050215035631.Q21259@nirmala.opentrend.net> <200502151306.03264.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20050215182405.GB31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:06:03PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > 5th column you say? How do you disguise the accents? :) I wonder if google can tell me what '5th column' means... Yep it could. > Cricket... isn't that the game that you can come back to weeks later and not > have missed a thing? No, you will have missed something, the score will have changed, but the game isn't over yet. Must be hard to be late enough to miss the game though. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 18:31:30 2005 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:31:30 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home Message-ID: Thank you for your kind offer. I am just joking. MB, CPU, memory, HDD, too many to purchase (impossible to get approval from my wife). I'll just move my mid-tower P4 to this case. -----Original Message----- From: Colin McGregor [mailto:colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: February 15, 2005 1:00 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Antec Tower case free to a good home --- Phillip Qin wrote: > Thx for the case. My arms are so soring. Now I am > looking for free MB and > CPU.:) Well, I can have a look around the office here at G.T.C.C. and I MIGHT be able to help (emphasis on the word might). However if I can find something free it would be slow/old. How slow is too old for you? How slow is too slow for you? Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:421238c6105553806721290! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 18:32:22 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:32:22 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <200502151306.03264.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>; from clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:06:03PM -0500 References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <200502141428.41616.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <20050215035631.Q21259@nirmala.opentrend.net> <200502151306.03264.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20050215133222.B5157@ee.ryerson.ca> It's a game you can play in a nice white suit and not get dirt or grass stains on it, the polar opposite of rugby. Peter > Cricket... isn't that the game that you can come back to weeks later and not > have missed a thing? > -- > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, ON > Canada M4N 3P6 > > +1 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 19:24:19 2005 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:24:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <20050215173928.GA31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215173928.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <51958.66.11.176.22.1108495459.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:49:16AM -0500, mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >> What makes you think em64t is a 32bit core? > > The performance it shows in 64bit mode, and that intel kept telling > people that no one needed 64bit, and then suddenly had it. Sure didn't > sound like time for a new design, just a patch of more extensions to the > addressing parts of the cpu. IIRC, the P4's all have a risc core with a translation layer for converting the actual instructions into a series of micro-ops. I really doubt the core itself isn't 64bit, and one of the problems that has plagued the P4 is the fact that the pipe-line within this core is very long, leading to latentcy due to pipeline stalls. Adding em64t to the mix becomes simply an issue of translating the x86-64 instructions to the proper risc micro-ops. > > Intel also only claims it is the same chip with 64bit addressing > extensions. They don't claim it is a 64bit cpu. it can allocate more > than 4GB ram to a single application, which may help some databases, but > it doesn't operate other 64bit things as fast as 32bit. It also uses a > bounce buffer in hardware to do 64bit addressing to hardware addresses, > which adds a bit of latency, which the amd64 doesn't have or need. > This is only an issue if your hardware peripherals only support < 64 addressing. PCI-X support 64 bit addressing, though a lot of cards don't actually support 64 bit addresses. Out of those that do, many are limitted to buffers that don't cross a modulo 4GB barrier. This is easily handled in the driver though. The reality is that an IOMMU is a short-gap measure for not using dma bounce buffers when using cheaper hardware. >> Um, I hope you mean AMD's integration of the northbridge on die, which >> happens to have an IOMMU. > > Well having the memory controller certainly is part of making it run > faster. Using hypertransport as the cpu to cpu link and cpu to other > chipset component link seems sensible. The alpha based bus of the > athlon was nice, but hypertransport seems like an even better design > choice. > > I personally never liked the P4 from the day I saw the first reviews of > it's design, it just seemed like a step backwards from the P3. The > Pentium M on the other hand (which continues the P6 core from the PPro > and P2/P3 is much more impresive. I hope some day it will actually > officially become a desktop CPU and the P4 can go where it belongs, and > hopefully intel will never let marketing design their CPUs again. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 19:44:19 2005 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <420279E9.8050703-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> > If you have been following the continuing saga of linuxcaffe, you might > have wondered "what the heck is going on ?". > The website hasn't changed, the storefront is still just green, the > "linuxcaffe" TLUG posts have subsided, have I given up yet ? > > NO WAY ! > > I'm just head-down reno guy, working on the physical space, that's all ! > I found the TikiWiki tweaking was cutting into my reno time, so (as it > was really a stand-in, anyways) I'm devoting full time to operation > "opening-soon". > > So what's new ? > > core admin team/ website developers established > bathroom plumbing > paint > retail displays > lighting grid > lights in the grid > rewire everything > LOBOS shelves > server hardware > POS hardware > phone line (416-534-2116) > more paint > ventilation systems complete > radiators installed > trim and > logo design (85%) > mail box > espresso machine > slicer > dishes > laundry sink > chairs recovered > tables painted > > What's coming up ? > > counters & cabinetry > more plumbing > more electrical > window "bars" (steel wire spider webs) > server set-up > thin client (Thinkpad) acquisition and setup > more graphic design > website creation > lighting control system > legal document creation (user agreements, artist licenses, liability > waivers etc) > establishment of standard hardware/software base (for the linux boxes we > will sell) > > How can you help ? > > physical labour (if you like that sort of thing) > donate hardware (unloved CPUs, monitors, USB routers webcams, wiring etc.) > legal (know any linuxy lawyers ?) > writing articles/reviews (once the new website is up) Hi, I've been wanting to help out, especially considering I live right around the corner.. but have been busy with work and whatnot most days. Lucky for you, I just got notified I was laid-off today *shakes fist at the Sun*. If you need help with any physical labour stuff, I'd be glad to help out. I'm not a reno expert by any measure -- most of my 'skillz' involve a keyboard -- but I'd be glad to get out and give a hand. Mike Waychison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 20:35:13 2005 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:35:13 -0500 Subject: AVP Project? In-Reply-To: <20050209164225.V43718-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <99a6c38f050208094455646010@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f05020813116b932936@mail.gmail.com> <20050209164225.V43718@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0502151235330e381@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:43:06 +0000 (GMT), Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, psema4 wrote: > > > In essence (and this is far from complete...) the original aim was to > > present my vision of a new, modern, open source MULTICS over the web. > > So how did the talk go (I could not attend unfortunately) and what is this > about Multics? :) Sorrry, I was called away on short notice. I think it went fairly well for my first try - although I certainly need to work on bringing more focus in the future to the topic-at-hand. I'd like to thank everyone who got involved with the conversations and asked questions. I thoroughly enjoyed the evening. :-) Basically, the project's aim was to follow in the footsteps of the GNU project (build and connect small components - in this case, web scripts rather than binaries and shell scripts - until a system is functional). Because the project aims to produce an "Operating Environment" that would be available to any "Operating System" with a web browser, the extension to a MULTICS-like utility is not a terribly difficult stretch. Now that the hectic insanities of the last few months is starting to subside, I can concentrate more on documenting and developing the "environment core" (or "web-system core"). More details as to how the system is actually built may be posted here, dependant on how our project team makes it's decisions about whether to close the source, keep it open, and/or what business model(s) to use. For those not present at the Feb. TLUG meeting, I mentioned an opportunity I'm having with the other project heads - a great many people are afraid of and/or do not understand the benefits to be had from "open source". I need to find away to communicate these benefits to people who have little or no knowledge of FLOSS (Free/Libre and Open Source Software). In an effort to gain a more focused understanding of what FLOSS is, I've started collecting some reference links and thoughts at http://psema4.gotdns.com/cgi-bin/forums/Blah.cgi?,v=display,b=linchat,m=1108445378 The thread is open to anyone who'd like to discuss or contribute thoughts, information, or just ask questions. Hopefully I'll get my act together soon and maybe do another talk down the road. :-) -- - SGE -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 15 23:12:38 2005 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:12:38 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <51958.66.11.176.22.1108495459.squirrel-hrWuGRo80rQeegXK/nGKYqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215173928.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <51958.66.11.176.22.1108495459.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> Message-ID: <421281E6.7010207@rogers.com> > Adding em64t to the mix becomes simply I'd be careful about the use of the word 'simply'... I don't design cores or fab chips for a living, but I'm gonna have to guess that it's probably fiendishly complex. Intel doesn't fuck things up because they're stupid or lazy ;) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 02:03:24 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:03:24 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; what's new ? In-Reply-To: <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel-hrWuGRo80rQeegXK/nGKYqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> Message-ID: <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org wrote: >Hi, > >I've been wanting to help out, especially considering I live right around >the corner.. but have been busy with work and whatnot most days. > >Lucky for you, I just got notified I was laid-off today *shakes fist at >the Sun*. > > woohoo ! ... I mean .. sorry ta hear that, Mike ! :-/ I could use a hand, fer sher ! Of course, It's getting down to annoying little reno stuff that requires my constant hovering. How does basement cieling drywall sound ? Fun huh ? I'll send contact info and marching orders off list, thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 03:32:48 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:32:48 -0500 Subject: Japanese input in FC3 Message-ID: <4212BEE0.6030502@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have been trying for a while off and on to get Japanese input working under Linux (specifically Fedora Core 3). So far though the only thing I have accomplished is having an error pop up each time I load Gnome: -=-=-=-=- Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem. X server version data: The X.Org Foundation 60801000 If you report this situation as a bug, please include: - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb -=-=-=-=- The results of which are: -=-=-=-=- [madison at akane ~]$ xprop -root | grep XKB _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", "" _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", "" [madison at akane ~]$ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb layouts = [us,jp] model = pc105 overrideSettings = false options = [grp grp:alts_toggle] update_handlers = [] -=-=-=-=- I got that after trying to play with 'system-switch-im' though I can't remember now what exactly I did that started it, nothing I have tried since has made the error go away. When I select "Advanced Settings" and highlight "Japanese" (the only one) I have four options: 'skkinput', 'kinput2-canna', 'kinput2-wnn' and 'skkinput'. Selecting none of them seem to do anything though I admit I have never gotten Japanese input working before so I could be missing the obvious. My experience with Japanese input was a friend whom I setup Japanese input up on her Win98 and later Win2k machines (a few years ago). I have seen Japanese input under WinXP (on my roommates laptop) and it has a really nice box where you can freeform enter a Kanji character and it will try to recognise the character. Is there something like that for Linux yet (even if it's commercial)? How /does/ Japanese input work under Linux/Gnome? Is it like MS where there is a menu in the corner where you choose romanji, hiragana, katakana, etc.? Any help would be great! Even a pointer to a recent how-to would be great (everything I have found goes back to like RH7.3!). Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 04:01:38 2005 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:01:38 -0500 Subject: Japanese input in FC3 In-Reply-To: <4212BEE0.6030502-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4212BEE0.6030502@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4212C5A2.7060009@sympatico.ca> I had Japanese input working under Mandrake 9.2 in KDE a while back. I will get it set up again and let you know the results. Gambarou! Jay Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been trying for a while off and on to get Japanese input > working under Linux (specifically Fedora Core 3). So far though the only > thing I have accomplished is having an error pop up each time I load > Gnome: > > -=-=-=-=- > Error activating XKB configuration. > Probably internal X server problem. > > X server version data: > The X.Org Foundation > 60801000 > > If you report this situation as a bug, please include: > - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB > - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb > -=-=-=-=- > > The results of which are: > > -=-=-=-=- > [madison at akane ~]$ xprop -root | grep XKB > _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", "" > _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", "" > [madison at akane ~]$ gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb > layouts = [us,jp] > model = pc105 > overrideSettings = false > options = [grp grp:alts_toggle] > update_handlers = [] > -=-=-=-=- > > I got that after trying to play with 'system-switch-im' though I > can't remember now what exactly I did that started it, nothing I have > tried since has made the error go away. When I select "Advanced > Settings" and highlight "Japanese" (the only one) I have four options: > 'skkinput', 'kinput2-canna', 'kinput2-wnn' and 'skkinput'. Selecting > none of them seem to do anything though I admit I have never gotten > Japanese input working before so I could be missing the obvious. > > My experience with Japanese input was a friend whom I setup Japanese > input up on her Win98 and later Win2k machines (a few years ago). I > have seen Japanese input under WinXP (on my roommates laptop) and it > has a really nice box where you can freeform enter a Kanji character > and it will try to recognise the character. Is there something like > that for Linux yet (even if it's commercial)? How /does/ Japanese > input work under Linux/Gnome? Is it like MS where there is a menu in > the corner where you choose romanji, hiragana, katakana, etc.? > > Any help would be great! Even a pointer to a recent how-to would be > great (everything I have found goes back to like RH7.3!). > > Madison > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 06:11:11 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:11:11 -0500 Subject: Japanese input in FC3 In-Reply-To: <4212C5A2.7060009-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4212BEE0.6030502@alteeve.com> <4212C5A2.7060009@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4212E3FF.1040603@alteeve.com> Nezumikozo wrote: > I had Japanese input working under Mandrake 9.2 in KDE a while back. I > will get it set up again and let you know the results. > > Gambarou! > > Jay ??! ??? ????? ?????. ????? :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 16:45:39 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:45:39 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; installing windows ! Message-ID: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> It's a matter of security, transparency, a sense of openness, and general customer satisfaction. I guess I always knew that it was inevitable. Besides, almost every other caffe, internet cafe, and retail operation has windows. So I have arranged the installation, for next week, with a local expert. He has never even heard of linux. It will be much better ! Better than plywood, that is ! Yes, linuxcaffe will soon feature a brand new 10' x 6' sheet of windowglass v 0.25 on the south wall. Trust me, it's better this way ! When you come in, you, too, will see the light ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 17:36:43 2005 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:36:43 -0500 Subject: linuxcaffe; installing windows ! In-Reply-To: <421378B3.9030800-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 11:45:39AM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Besides, almost every other caffe, internet cafe, and retail operation > has windows. > > So I have arranged the installation, for next week, with a local expert. > He has never even heard of linux. > > It will be much better ! > Better than plywood, that is ! > Yes, linuxcaffe will soon feature a brand new 10' x 6' sheet of > windowglass v 0.25 on the south wall. I'm not convinced about how great windows really are. Ever since December my windows have been freezing. Support for that was awful... kept being told it was user error even when I followed their directions (which didn't stop the freezes). They've already had to reinstall them once, and this is on a building less than two years old. Bugs such as the inability to close windows without climbing on furniture have not been rectified, although rumour has it that in a month or two a service pack will come to deal with that one. Altogether, I've been having problems with my windows installation, but your experiences may differ. -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 18:12:29 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:12:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: linuxcaffe; installing windows ! In-Reply-To: <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> Message-ID: <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Seneca wrote: > will come to deal with that one. Altogether, I've been having problems > with my windows installation, but your experiences may differ. Things will be much better when the next version of windows (Windows TG) comes out. It will fix all of those problems and more. Great things are in store for the future. Studies show Windows TG improves the glass panel experience by 83%. Remember, fork out big bucks for Windows TG (Thick Glass) when it hits the shelves next century. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 18:20:57 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:20:57 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <20050216180938.A50360-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch screens work under Linux? The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, wouldnt it? At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know more, soon. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 18:54:12 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:54:12 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <42138F09.6020305-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050216185412.GA2524@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:20:57PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch > screens work under Linux? > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > wouldnt it? > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know > more, soon. Touch screen is very application dependent (because you need to interpret what x,y=20,30 means) and OS dependent (because of drivers). -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 19:07:44 2005 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:07:44 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <20050216185412.GA2524-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> <20050216185412.GA2524@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <42139A00.7050201@istop.com> William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:20:57PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > >>Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch >>screens work under Linux? >> >>The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They >>operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, >>wouldnt it? >> >>At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know >>more, soon. > > > Touch screen is very application dependent (because you need to > interpret what x,y=20,30 means) and OS dependent (because of drivers). > Why? Finger is like mouse pointer. Though it may be possible to put two fingers at once. And that is indeed the level of "driver-dependant". But otherwise I see no difference with usual screen. I know at the moment that there are touch screens based on capacitance and resistnace network. The later seem to perform better in changing environement conditions. There is yet probably very few companies that produce touch screens. Relatively few that do them for Toronto, etc. This is potentially a big market, but Windows only seems to be used there, for now. zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Web Development, Linux, Web Mail Fax Voice Servers, Networking Consultations, Innovative Technologies Tel/Fax: 1-416-530-2780 Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 19:50:28 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:50:28 +0200 (IST) Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <42138F09.6020305-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch screens > work under Linux? > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > wouldnt it? > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know more, > soon. There are 2 kinds. Those that emulate usb mice and those that emulate serial mice. The serial kind works fine, except you have to accomodate their calibration software somehow (sometimes this may require dual boot into opendos - it might work with dosemu). The calibrations stays put once calibrated (almost no drift with 'always on' computers, like kiosks). I have no experience with the usb kind. The touchscreen 'looks' like a mouse for all practical purposes. Most touchscreens do pointer motion to coordinates of touch (absolute) and emit a left click event for each user touch. This means you must make applications work without dragging and on 'left click' only. There are ways around this but reliability suffers. good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 19:53:34 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:53:34 +0200 (IST) Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <20050216185412.GA2524-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> <20050216185412.GA2524@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, William Park wrote: > Touch screen is very application dependent (because you need to > interpret what x,y=20,30 means) and OS dependent (because of drivers). I do not agree. At least not the kinds I had to do with. The calibration can indeed be done in software but usually it is done by a driver supplied by the touchscreen maker. The touchscreen looks like a mouse and sends a coordinate set (motion) followed by a left click for every user touch. Using other functions may require special drivers. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:00:33 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:00:33 -0500 Subject: Unix Admin. Wanted. Message-ID: <00d501c51462$2ca52c60$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I was speaking to a head-hunter by the name of Frank Squires earlier today. Mr. Squires is looking for a Unix/Linux System admin. with 2+ years experience in an ISP (or ISP like) environment. His client is an ISP on the island of Bermuda, and there is where one would be expected to live. If anyone is interested in this position please give Mr. Squires a call at 1-877-435-0921 x 21. While I am looking for a new position a move to Bermuda isn't a option at this point in my life. Still, if anyone on the list would like a real change of pace, the option is very much there. Also, if anyone hears of opportunities in the G.T.A. for a system admin. (and part time writer), please let me know. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:00:21 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:00:21 +0200 (IST) Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <42139A00.7050201-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> <20050216185412.GA2524@node1.opengeometry.net> <42139A00.7050201@istop.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Finger is like mouse pointer. Though it may be possible to put two fingers at > once. And that is indeed the level of "driver-dependant". But otherwise I see > no difference with usual screen. The ones I know specifically reject any input that can be construed as not being 'one finger touch'. > I know at the moment that there are touch screens based on capacitance and > resistnace network. The later seem to perform better in changing environement > conditions. There is yet probably very few companies that produce touch > screens. Relatively few that do them for Toronto, etc. This is potentially a > big market, but Windows only seems to be used there, for now. Not true, you will often see touchscreen applications in atm machines and in restaurant/food idustry terminals. It is rumored that Mac*** terminals use some kind of BSD OS, and most restaurant style touchscreens have been running since DOS days. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:28:59 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:28:59 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <421281E6.7010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215173928.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <51958.66.11.176.22.1108495459.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <421281E6.7010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050216202859.GC31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 06:12:38PM -0500, Byron L. Sonne wrote: > I'd be careful about the use of the word 'simply'... I don't design > cores or fab chips for a living, but I'm gonna have to guess that it's > probably fiendishly complex. Intel doesn't fuck things up because > they're stupid or lazy ;) Pentium fdiv bug. I think that one might qualify as being lazy. perhaps a complete verification of the table used to speed up fdiv would have been in order. Not doing so to me sounds almost like someone was lazy. As for stupid, I honestly believe intel let their marketing department dictate the design goals of the P4, which runs high clock rates, while not getting as much done per clock as other similar generation chips, while using lots of power and making a ton of heat. The Pentium M at lower clock rates runs as fast or faster on many applications, using less power, making less heat, and it based on an older design. Too me that makes whoever thought just aiming for winning the clock speed game was indeed stupid. And they must have worked for intel at the time. Well that's just my opinion on the matter at least. intel isn't going out of business, and they do know how to design good chips. They aren't all good though, and sometimes they do miss what the market wants (or doesn't want, as may be the case for the itanium. I am not really sure what is wrong with the itanium, besides the price and lack of software). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:36:19 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:36:19 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <42138F09.6020305-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050216203619.GD31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:20:57PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch > screens work under Linux? > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > wouldnt it? > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know > more, soon. I reverse engineered the protocol for a touch screen a couple of years ago, using a null modem cable (the touch screen used serial) and the windows driver for the screen, then after determining what the command to initilize the screen to the right mode was, and how to interpret the bytes sent when the screen was being touched, I just copied an existing xfree86 touch screen driver that seemed to have a similar protocol, and changed the protocol handling code. Worked very nicely. only took me a couple of days to do all the work (while being distracted by people wanting me to fix their machines). I wrote a small c program that simple read data from one serial port and sent it out another, and vice versa, and dumped the hex code of each byte it saw going each way. Monitoring serial links in the middle that way is rather simple, well once you know the baud rate, which is usually 9600 for touch screens. Many newer touch screens are usb, so that is probably a bit harder to figure out. The basic protocol of the touch screens I have dealt with is, when screen is touched, transmit touch event along with x/y cooordinate (usually 0-4000 range, or whatever size of range the screen uses) and then whenever the position changes, send a still held event with the new coordinate, and when the user stops touching, send a release event with last coordinate. The meaning of the events is then up to the driver or the application using the driver. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:39:05 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:39:05 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Message-ID: <20050216203905.GE31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 09:50:28PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > There are 2 kinds. Those that emulate usb mice and those that emulate > serial mice. The serial kind works fine, except you have to accomodate > their calibration software somehow (sometimes this may require dual boot > into opendos - it might work with dosemu). The calibrations stays put > once calibrated (almost no drift with 'always on' computers, like > kiosks). I have no experience with the usb kind. > > The touchscreen 'looks' like a mouse for all practical purposes. Most > touchscreens do pointer motion to coordinates of touch (absolute) and > emit a left click event for each user touch. This means you must make > applications work without dragging and on 'left click' only. There are > ways around this but reliability suffers. And then there are the kind that don't pretend to be mice at all, and use their own protocol to send touch release and moved to events with coordinates for each event. Touch screens are great for clicking buttons, but terrible for dragging, and many other things that a mouse can do. They also don't do more than one button (ok for mac users I guess). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:41:45 2005 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:41:45 -0500 Subject: Blade Servers In-Reply-To: <421281E6.7010207-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <42111E46.2030303@knet.ca> <43209.66.11.176.22.1108422522.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215145004.GW31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <44520.66.11.176.22.1108480197.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215151223.GY31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <42121330.3060802@ca.afilias.info> <46578.66.11.176.22.1108486156.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <20050215173928.GA31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <51958.66.11.176.22.1108495459.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <421281E6.7010207@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4213B009.8010501@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Byron L. Sonne wrote: | > Adding em64t to the mix becomes simply | | I'd be careful about the use of the word 'simply'... I don't design | cores or fab chips for a living, but I'm gonna have to guess that it's | probably fiendishly complex. Intel doesn't fuck things up because | they're stupid or lazy ;) Not stupid? One word: "Itanium". I mean really... VLIW architecture? Didn't the research on that in the late 80's pretty much say that the idea, while cool, didn't work too well? I guess it makes sense if you want a chip that's brutally difficult (and hence expensive) to reverse engineer. Or maybe it shouldn't be "stupid" so much as "myopically arrogant". And Lennart's comments about chip design being run by marketing ring true too. Their engineering department must be pretty awesome to make anything that works in that kind of environment. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCE7AJgfzn5SevSpoRAv+uAKCkelwq6sGpqKiEAb7GN545NmOncACggIJ3 T40S0pWOrIKLYck5hTFZMIM= =F2Q/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 20:45:27 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:45:27 -0500 Subject: OTlinuxcaffe or Linux =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caff=E8?= In-Reply-To: <4212A9EC.7040404-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4213B0E7.1010004@utoronto.ca> Presumably you've taken caffe from the Italian. Unless you've misspelled caf?. Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 16 23:09:59 2005 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:09:59 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <20050216185412.GA2524-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> <20050216185412.GA2524@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050216230959.GA14829@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:54:12PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:20:57PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch > > screens work under Linux? > > > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > > wouldnt it? > > > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know > > more, soon. > > Touch screen is very application dependent (because you need to > interpret what x,y=20,30 means) and OS dependent (because of drivers). While different in detail, touch screens are no more application dependent than a mouse. A touch (and release) is essentially the same as the mouse action triple "move to x,y; press button 1; release button 1". A touch and slide would insert a number of additional move actions between the press and the release. Windowing systems are intended to provide an abstract view of control operations to the application, and to map use of the available physical control devices onto the corresponding abstract form for the application to apply. That said, I've never used a touch screen in Linux. However, back in the days when the X Windowing System was at X10 rather than X11.* I recall reading about the input system being intended to work generically for touch screens, mice, drawing tablets, etc. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 17 01:08:57 2005 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:08:57 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121F122@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> We built a small kiosk application with a touch screen as a demo for a customer. We used Firefox for our Browser and the only change that we made that was different was making the mouse disappear and removing the ability to drag and drop items. You do have to calibrate the screen for x-windows and I ended up using a dos program for that task. Since the touch screen we used had serial connection for the mouse that is what our Linux install picked up on. No special drivers. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John Macdonald Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:10 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: any touch screen experience there? On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:54:12PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:20:57PM -0500, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch > > screens work under Linux? > > > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > > wouldnt it? > > > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know > > more, soon. > > Touch screen is very application dependent (because you need to > interpret what x,y=20,30 means) and OS dependent (because of drivers). While different in detail, touch screens are no more application dependent than a mouse. A touch (and release) is essentially the same as the mouse action triple "move to x,y; press button 1; release button 1". A touch and slide would insert a number of additional move actions between the press and the release. Windowing systems are intended to provide an abstract view of control operations to the application, and to map use of the available physical control devices onto the corresponding abstract form for the application to apply. That said, I've never used a touch screen in Linux. However, back in the days when the X Windowing System was at X10 rather than X11.* I recall reading about the input system being intended to work generically for touch screens, mice, drawing tablets, etc. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 17 02:04:25 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:04:25 -0500 Subject: OTlinuxcaffe, not Linux =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caff=E8?= In-Reply-To: <4213B0E7.1010004-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> <4213B0E7.1010004@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <4213FBA9.40903@sympatico.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > Presumably you've taken caffe from the Italian. Unless you've > misspelled caf?. Et verro ! Il nome venute di la tradizione Italliano ! We are, of course, steps from little Italy, and my better half is a little Italian. .. she's 100% Italian, but not that tall ! djp > > Ivan. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 17 17:54:55 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 17 Feb 2005 12:54:55 -0500 Subject: any touch screen experience there? In-Reply-To: <42138F09.6020305-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <421378B3.9030800@sympatico.ca> <20050216173643.GB12161@sophocles> <20050216180938.A50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> <42138F09.6020305@istop.com> Message-ID: Zbigniew Koziol writes: > Just wonder if there is anybody around who knows something how touch screens > work under Linux? > > > The company I have some work with sells kiosks with touch screens. They > operate on Windows. It would be wonderfull to change their OS to Linux, > wouldnt it? > > > At the moment I do not know much technical details, but I will know more, > soon. Try this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/XFree86-Touch-Screen-HOWTO.html One of our clients builds Linux based point of sale systems and I helped them out with the MicroTouch (IIRC) based on the above HOWTO. It works under X as a mouse without trouble. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 04:24:32 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Compusale Linux talk Message-ID: <20050218041456.K50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> Hi all. Compusale (a trade show) want someone to do some Linux talks in a couple of weeks. I did 3 of these talks when Compusale as in Mississauga a few months back. Anyone interested? I had a good time but am just too busy at the moment. The audience tend to know next to nothing about Linux and often aren't strong in computing generally so a low tech, high graphics talk is probably the best approach. The audiences for the earlier talks were primary interested in reasons they'd like to make the jump. I talked about a few different apps. Interestingly lyx got a bit of interest as did The Gimp. Firefox would be a good one to bring up. I had a fairly long Question & Answer section at the end of each talk and this seemed to be very successful. I got a chance to explain why open standards are a good thing and why imbeddeding parts of the browser in the kernel is insane (as a certain OS has done). We don't need a guru for these talks. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 16:10:29 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:10:29 -0500 Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? Message-ID: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15@outbox.allstream.net> On my Redhat system HOSTNAME is an exported environment variable. ie. echo $HOSTNAME returns with a value. On a Debian system I've been working with HOSTNAME is not an exported environment variable. ie. export | less doesn't show it. Nor does the C function getenv("HOSTNAME") pick it up. Interestingly echo $HOSTNAME does? I'm confused. Can someone enlighten me as to this bash nuance. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 16:24:50 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:24:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, bob wrote: > On a Debian system I've been working with HOSTNAME is not an exported > environment variable. ie. > export | less > doesn't show it. Nor does the C function getenv("HOSTNAME") pick it up. > echo $HOSTNAME > does? Note that a variable and an *exported* variable are two different things. A variable which is set but *not* exported is visible within the shell that set it -- and therefore gets substituted when that shell interprets a command using $ in an argument -- but is not passed to the commands the shell runs, so getenv() in a command won't find it. And "export" lists only exported variables. Try "set | less". That's how you list *all* variables, exported or not. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 16:41:00 2005 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:41:00 -0500 Subject: c86 Message-ID: <42161A9C.2080005@onlink.net> Has anyone used the epson c86 in fedora core 2? I got a couple of close hits in google -- but not close enough. linuxcompatibility.org has the c80 but nothte c86. I need this info as epson warranty wants me to send me my old c84 -- they are replacing with c86. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 16:37:18 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:37:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Compusale Linux talk In-Reply-To: <20050218041456.K50360-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20050218041456.K50360@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050218163514.G64481@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > Anyone interested? I had a good time but am just too busy at the moment. I've received an offer for someone to do the talks and I've put them in touch with the organiser. I also received a request for more info on the show: http://www.compusale.ca There was a discussion about Compusale when a few of us posted reports on the Mississauga show back in late November. This should be in the archive - TLUG has an archive right? :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 17:36:29 2005 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:36:29 -0500 Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050218172945.0C56E1BB1CC@outbox.allstream.net> Thanks. Goes to show that you can always learn at least one new thing each and every day. bob PS. What would be the C program call to pickup set variables? ie. a variable set in the shell from which you launched your C program. On February 18, 2005 11:24 am, you wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, bob wrote: > > On a Debian system I've been working with HOSTNAME is not an exported > > environment variable. ie. > > export | less > > doesn't show it. Nor does the C function getenv("HOSTNAME") pick it up. > > echo $HOSTNAME > > does? > > Note that a variable and an *exported* variable are two different things. > A variable which is set but *not* exported is visible within the shell > that set it -- and therefore gets substituted when that shell interprets a > command using $ in an argument -- but is not passed to the commands the > shell runs, so getenv() in a command won't find it. And "export" lists > only exported variables. > > Try "set | less". That's how you list *all* variables, exported or not. > > Henry Spencer > henry at spsystems.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 17:38:14 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:38:14 -0500 Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200502181238.14910.mervc@eol.ca> On Friday 18 February 2005 11:24, Henry Spencer wrote: > > Try "set | less". That's how you list *all* variables, exported or not. > I've never seen that before. Exactly what is being displayed? Is only the first section useful or does the sections of code for each program signify anything useful? I have only ever used 'env' to display variables. So much to learn.... -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 17:42:46 2005 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:42:46 -0500 Subject: c86 In-Reply-To: <42161A9C.2080005-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <42161A9C.2080005@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200502181242.46835.mervc@eol.ca> On Friday 18 February 2005 11:41, Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone used the epson c86 in fedora core 2? > This may not mean much, I have used my C84 with no problems and I think I configured it in FC1 and 2. I did not use Fedora long enough to be sure now. -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KDE 3.3.1 Desktop KMail 1.7.1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 17:49:42 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:49:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: <20050218172945.0C56E1BB1CC-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050218172945.0C56E1BB1CC@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, bob wrote: > > A variable which is set but *not* exported is visible within the shell > > that set it -- and therefore gets substituted when that shell interprets a > > command using $ in an argument -- but is not passed to the commands the > > shell runs, so getenv() in a command won't find it... > > PS. > What would be the C program call to pickup set variables? ie. a variable set > in the shell from which you launched your C program. There isn't one. If it's not exported, only the shell knows about it; it is not available within commands run by the shell. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 17:56:13 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:56:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: <200502181238.14910.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200502181238.14910.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Merv Curley wrote: > > Try "set | less". That's how you list *all* variables, exported or not. > > I've never seen that before. Exactly what is being displayed? Is only the > first section useful or does the sections of code for each program signify > anything useful? The "sections of code" are shell functions, essentially shell scripts pre-read by the shell (usually from .profile or various equivalents thereof) to speed them up. This is the right way to do "aliases" -- the separate alias mechanism in bash is basically for backward compatibility with historical mistakes. They're sort-of-kind-of variables containing shell code rather than text values, which is why they show up in "set" output. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 18:57:08 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:57:08 -0500 Subject: c86 In-Reply-To: <42161A9C.2080005-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <42161A9C.2080005@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20050218185708.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:41:00AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone used the epson c86 in fedora core 2? > > I got a couple of close hits in google -- but not close enough. > > linuxcompatibility.org has the c80 but nothte c86. > > I need this info as epson warranty wants me to send me my old c84 -- > they are replacing with c86. Check www.linuxprinting.org, but I suspect it is supported by gimp-print, if your release is new enough (which quite likely FC2 is not). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 18:59:40 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:59:40 -0500 Subject: c86 In-Reply-To: <20050218185708.GF31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <42161A9C.2080005@onlink.net> <20050218185708.GF31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050218185940.GG31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 01:57:08PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:41:00AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Has anyone used the epson c86 in fedora core 2? > > > > I got a couple of close hits in google -- but not close enough. > > > > linuxcompatibility.org has the c80 but nothte c86. > > > > I need this info as epson warranty wants me to send me my old c84 -- > > they are replacing with c86. > > Check www.linuxprinting.org, but I suspect it is supported by > gimp-print, if your release is new enough (which quite likely FC2 is > not). The web site lists it as mostly working, and you can use it with the C80, C82, C83, C84 driver if available, but you won't get full bleed printing in that case (well actually with C83/C84 driver you should). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 18:12:32 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:12:32 +0200 (IST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, bob wrote: > On my Redhat system HOSTNAME is an exported environment variable. ie. > > echo $HOSTNAME > > returns with a value. > > On a Debian system I've been working with HOSTNAME is not an exported > environment variable. ie. > > export | less > > doesn't show it. Nor does the C function getenv("HOSTNAME") pick it up. > Interestingly > > echo $HOSTNAME > > does? > > I'm confused. Can someone enlighten me as to this bash nuance. hostname is a user command, not a shell variable. cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname should yield the same result. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 20:02:30 2005 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:02:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: References: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <53962.206.186.8.130.1108756950.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> >> I'm confused. Can someone enlighten me as to this bash nuance. > > hostname is a user command, not a shell variable. cat > /proc/sys/kernel/hostname should yield the same result. > > Peter > -- Why not use: uname -n instead? Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 20:30:25 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:30:25 +0200 (IST) Subject: HOSTNAME: environment variable or not? In-Reply-To: <53962.206.186.8.130.1108756950.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050218160337.1D2C05E15@outbox.allstream.net> <53962.206.186.8.130.1108756950.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Francois Ouellette wrote: >>> I'm confused. Can someone enlighten me as to this bash nuance. >> >> hostname is a user command, not a shell variable. cat >> /proc/sys/kernel/hostname should yield the same result. >> >> Peter >> -- > > Why not use: > uname -n > instead? because both use the uname(2) syscall interface and it makes no difference which you use (uname -n is probably more portable) ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From karim-vatZMuOh6OJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 18 22:56:55 2005 From: karim-vatZMuOh6OJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Karim Yaghmour) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:56:55 -0500 Subject: Looking for sysadmins/developers Message-ID: <421672B7.3080700@opersys.com> We are currently looking for sysadmins/developers matching the following profile: - Extensive experience with the use of Linux/Unix - Experience in managing: - Web/SQL servers (Apache, MySQL/Postgres/etc.) - Complex networks - Critical networks with very high traffic - SMTP/POP servers - SSL-based services - Multi-user systems - Mastery of relevant programming languages: C, PHP, Perl, Python, shell, SQL. - Ability to build solid network solutions in response to complex problems. - Ability for teamwork and performs well under presure. - Highly resourceful and self-learning. This is for a position in the Montreal area. Please send resumes offlist to info-vatZMuOh6OLowKkBSvOlow at public.gmane.org Best regards, Karim Yaghmour -- Author, Speaker, Developer, Consultant Pushing Embedded and Real-Time Linux Systems Beyond the Limits http://www.opersys.com || karim-vatZMuOh6OJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org || 1-866-677-4546 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 06:23:46 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:23:46 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash Message-ID: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> Anybody remember QBASIC (or QuickBasic)? It's a simple language that lets you get things done, without every string concatentation being a potential buffer overflow. QuickBasic was becoming moribund, but a new contender has come along. A posting on Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:18 at forum http://forum.qbasicnews.com/viewtopic.php?t=7142 is for BASIC what Linus' 1992 post in comp.os.minix is for POSIX. QBASIC/QuickBasic is dead, long live FreeBasic. It's free, it's Open Source, and it runs on linux as well as Windows. You can take standard QBASIC or QuickBasic code and run it with very few changes. It has extra features like pointers and various signed/unsigned types, enums, user-defined-types, IFDEF/preprocessing etc. Being 32-bit, the limits are huge (usually 2Gigs instead of 64K). The homepage is http://www.freebasic.net The official forum is http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=122342 A couple of other community sites are... http://forum.qbasicnews.com/index.php?c=13 http://www.freebasic.tk The first preview was less than 4 months ago. It's now at version 0.11b, and documentation is still sparse. Which brings me to my question. At work, I'm in the scientific support end of things. I do a lot more slicing/dicing of large textfiles than short memos in MS Word. Before loading up Cygwin on my work machine, and starting to use bash scripting (sed/cut/grep/etc) heavily, I slapped together quite a few quick-n-dirty QBASIC programs, but I never did get into really advanced stuff. Does anybody have QBASIC or QuickBasic manuals or "advanced BASIC" programming books they want to get rid of? I checked out a couple of book closeout sites, but they seem to have been closed out themselves. Chapters/Indigo in my area have nothing. I could always check out "Worlds Biggest Bookstore", but that's a long trip from Thornhill. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 12:44:24 2005 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:44:24 -0500 Subject: Ethernet counters? Message-ID: <20050219124424.GA1971@localhost> Hi all, I've made a *very* simple router using Linux Floppy Firewall as a base All I wanted was a router; no firewall, no packet filtering. I compiled a kernel using the 2.4.29 "vanilla" sources from kernel.org. I removed everything from the kernel config that I didn't feel was necessary, including netfilter and all things related. OK, so it works fine as a router, as intended, but I've noticed that the "RX packets" and "TX packets" counters shown from an ifconfig command are now always zero. There definitely are packets going in and out of both ethernet interfaces. The counters do work with the original floppyfw kernel. So, my question is, what handles these counters and what do I have to enable in the kernel to make them work again? I wouldn't think that this is a netfilter function, but I could be wrong. Thanks, Scott A. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 16:58:55 2005 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:58:55 -0500 Subject: Hard Disk upgrade Message-ID: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> What is the easiest way to upgrade the hard disk in a linux system to a larger one? If it makes a difference, it is running fedora core 2. I was thinking of using dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, but I didn't think it would work because hda is 6 GB, and hdc is 15 GB. I also thought of partitioning hdc ahead of time, and dd'ing each partition separately. What about the mbr in this case? Jeremy Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 19:25:14 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Hard Disk upgrade In-Reply-To: <200502191158.56672.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <20050219192035.Q64481@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Jeremy Baker wrote: > What is the easiest way to upgrade the hard disk in a linux system to a larger > one? If it makes a difference, it is running fedora core 2. I was thinking > of using dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, but I didn't think it would work because > hda is 6 GB, and hdc is 15 GB. I also thought of partitioning hdc ahead of > time, and dd'ing each partition separately. What about the mbr in this case? Hi Jeremy. dd is a bad idea for a couple of reasons. It grabs the filesystem, not the files so you'd end up with a 6GB filesystem on a 15GB disk (which you could possibly grow but this would be additional work). If you are using the xfs filesystem then SGI strongly recommend the use of xfsdump/xfsrestore, otherwise tar is good. There are actually a bunch of tools that will do this. If you do use tar I highly recommend you use the -X switch, eg: tar -X ./tar.exclude filesystem.tar / Where tar.exclude contains directories like: /cdrom /floppy /mnt /proc /tmp /var/tmp You'd need to adapt this to your own system. This will prevent tar from grabbing mounted cdroms, etc. Also, it is best to do the transfer in single user mode. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 19:28:35 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:28:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Hard Disk upgrade In-Reply-To: <20050219192035.Q64481-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> <20050219192035.Q64481@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20050219192523.W64481@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Robert Brockway wrote: > Hi Jeremy. dd is a bad idea for a couple of reasons. It grabs the I said a couple of reasons didn't I. The 2nd reason to avoid dd in this case is the same reason dd is great for taking copies of corrupt filesystems - it captures an exact copy of the files, problems, fragmentation and all. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 19:41:17 2005 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:41:17 -0500 Subject: Experience with Averatec laptops, anyone? Message-ID: <4217500D.24526.1830252F@localhost> Hello I was wondering if anyone knew about the Avaratec C3500 Series laptops/tablets. I seem to have an unusual video problem (horizontal hold goes nuts after it warms up). The video problem is intermittent, and has happened recently. I can't think of anything recent that I've done differently. Basically, I want to know if anyone has one of these things, whether this is considered unusual, or was it the subject of a recall that anyone knows of? I am sending it back to the vendor (still under warranty), and I got no clear answers from their tech support. The tablet runs XP + Debian Sarge. Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://alimentarus.net "Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are captains of our fate and masters of our soul" -- Unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 20:44:59 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 15:44:59 -0500 Subject: Hard Disk upgrade In-Reply-To: <200502191158.56672.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <20050219204459.GA2291@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:58:55AM -0500, Jeremy Baker wrote: > What is the easiest way to upgrade the hard disk in a linux system to > a larger one? If it makes a difference, it is running fedora core 2. > I was thinking of using dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, but I didn't think > it would work because hda is 6 GB, and hdc is 15 GB. I also thought > of partitioning hdc ahead of time, and dd'ing each partition > separately. What about the mbr in this case? Try something like cp -ax / /mnt or (cd /; tar -clf - .) | (cd /mnt; tar -xf -) Repeat for other filesystems you wish to copy over. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 21:16:26 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:16:26 -0500 Subject: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050219211643.8FE6C4978@fep3.cogeco.net> Hello all I have installed the hard disk and got it going. Set up through webmin as /Master but linux wont let me copy files there throught FTP. I can copy within Linux using Konqueror. Any ideas? _____ From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Adil Kodian Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server by backup if you mean hw raid - then yeah - you have to set stuff up prior to boot using bios. software raid, or even manual rsync like backup mechanisms dont need much change. If your drive is recognized by bios then youre pretty much guaranteed that it will work with linux. If its a PATA drive then it will simply appear as /dev/hda,b,c,d as the case may be. you can then login as root, use fdisk to create partitions, use mkfs to create a file system, use mount to mount it and then you can add the entry to fstab for auto-mount. SATA or SCSI drives will simply be /dev/sda,b,c,d. SCSI drives may require you to do more- but i guess youre not looking at SCSI because you mentioned that it is a 200G hard drive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: WD200 200gig HD for Dell Server Hello there I am looking for advise to install this drive as a backup unit to a Dell Poweredge 1600SC server. The server runs on Redhat linux 9. I am looking for help on the following: The drive is brand new in a sealed case. When I attach the drive, Do I have to set up the configuration setup before Linux runs Will I have to Mount the drive and format it thanks James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 21:27:16 2005 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:27:16 -0500 Subject: Experience with Averatec laptops, anyone? Message-ID: <4217AF34.70602@gmail.com> Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat 8 pc and my WinXP computer. I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the workgroup I defined (called Samba1). However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only defined 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. I've checked the permissions and they are fine. Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, so I guess I've got a few more things to do. Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. -Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 21:35:18 2005 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:35:18 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP Message-ID: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> Sorry - wrong subject heading. _____________________________________ Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat 8 pc and my WinXP computer. I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the workgroup I defined (called Samba1). However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only defined 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. I've checked the permissions and they are fine. Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, so I guess I've got a few more things to do. Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. -Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 19 22:24:03 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:24:03 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> Message-ID: <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 01:23:46AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: [...] > Which brings me to my question. At work, I'm in the scientific > support end of things. I do a lot more slicing/dicing of large > textfiles than short memos in MS Word. Before loading up Cygwin on my > work machine, and starting to use bash scripting (sed/cut/grep/etc) > heavily, I slapped together quite a few quick-n-dirty QBASIC programs, > but I never did get into really advanced stuff. If new QBASIC is anything like the old that I remember, I doubt it will take off. But, who knows, translating all those VB scripts might be money making thing. For slicing/dicing, I recommend my patch to Bash, which was written to do exactly that. http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff http://home.eol.ca/parkw/index.html More digestable tutorials can be found at http://linuxgazette.net/108/park.html http://linuxgazette.net/109/park.html http://home.eol.ca/~park/park-january.html -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 00:13:59 2005 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:13:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050219222403.GB2543-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: The world could use less "BASIC". Too many suffer from Microsoft's "Visual" BASIC. Nostalgia aside there are no good reasons to use it that I can think of with all the other amazing choices of programming languages available. And I cringe when I see "Cygwin". Yah it works but geez, if yah want that sort of thing there's a better way :-) Hey, how did we get into a Windows discussion? Cygwin and QBASIC on Windows? Huh? On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 01:23:46AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: [...] > > Which brings me to my question. At work, I'm in the scientific > > support end of things. I do a lot more slicing/dicing of large > > textfiles than short memos in MS Word. Before loading up Cygwin on my > > work machine, and starting to use bash scripting (sed/cut/grep/etc) > > heavily, I slapped together quite a few quick-n-dirty QBASIC programs, > > but I never did get into really advanced stuff. > > If new QBASIC is anything like the old that I remember, I doubt it will > take off. But, who knows, translating all those VB scripts might be > money making thing. > > For slicing/dicing, I recommend my patch to Bash, which was written to > do exactly that. > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff > http://home.eol.ca/parkw/index.html > > More digestable tutorials can be found at > http://linuxgazette.net/108/park.html > http://linuxgazette.net/109/park.html > http://home.eol.ca/~park/park-january.html > > -- > William Park , Toronto, Canada > Slackware Linux -- because I can type. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 03:51:24 2005 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:51:24 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4218093C.3050504@sympatico.ca> David Mayerlen wrote: > > And I cringe when I see "Cygwin". Yah it works but geez, if yah want that > sort of thing there's a better way :-) Not if your work depends on Windows-only applications. I don't see anyone rushing to write Linux versions of my daily staples WindFarm ( -- windfarm CAD system) and Didger ( -- powerful mapping package). Both of these do benefit from having Cygwin on the same box for munging text output files. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 04:41:40 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP In-Reply-To: <4217B116.6040407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42181504.4080005@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PW Armstrong wrote: | Sorry - wrong subject heading. | _____________________________________ | Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat 8 pc | and my WinXP computer. | | I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network | Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the workgroup I | defined (called Samba1). | | However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only defined | 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. | I've checked the permissions and they are fine. | | Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, so I | guess I've got a few more things to do. | | Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. On the linux computer, run: smbclient -L localhost smbclient -L smbclient -L (the names of all computers in the workgroup show up at the bottom of the 'smbclient -L localhost' command). The commands should list the shares available on each computer. Next, from the Linux computer, run: smbclient //localhost/ smbclient /// Both of these should allow you to connect to the same computer and give you an FTP-like access to the share. If this works, then you will need to adjust your WinXP computer. If not, then the problem is on the Linux side. In either case, it should give you more information about what's going on. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCGBUDRreNkzrRRLQRAk5EAJ9OmUPdTQkLqnTjxJhpTQsia0gfwACfQajA qNurNoclVqvMSWAmM7OvqhI= =ucUN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 13:28:05 2005 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:28:05 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP In-Reply-To: <42181504.4080005-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> <42181504.4080005@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <42189065.2030302@gmail.com> Anton - thx for the tips. I got some errors running these commands, as follows. smbclient -L localhost smbclient -L ...these two commands ran fine, showed my the shares I had set up smbclient -L ...this command gave me the error "connection to failed" smbclient //localhost/ ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" smbclient /// ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" How would I fix these errors? thx very much -peter Anton Markov wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0500 From: Anton Markov Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > PW Armstrong wrote: > | Sorry - wrong subject heading. > | _____________________________________ > | Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat > 8 pc > | and my WinXP computer. > | > | I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network > | Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the workgroup I > | defined (called Samba1). > | > | However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only defined > | 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. > | I've checked the permissions and they are fine. > | > | Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, > so I > | guess I've got a few more things to do. > | > | Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. > > > On the linux computer, run: > > smbclient -L localhost > smbclient -L > smbclient -L > > (the names of all computers in the workgroup show up at the bottom of > the 'smbclient -L localhost' command). > > The commands should list the shares available on each computer. Next, > from the Linux computer, run: > > smbclient //localhost/ > smbclient /// > > Both of these should allow you to connect to the same computer and give > you an FTP-like access to the share. If this works, then you will need > to adjust your WinXP computer. If not, then the problem is on the Linux > side. In either case, it should give you more information about what's > going on. > > > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCGBUDRreNkzrRRLQRAk5EAJ9OmUPdTQkLqnTjxJhpTQsia0gfwACfQajA > qNurNoclVqvMSWAmM7OvqhI= > =ucUN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 16:26:36 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:26:36 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP In-Reply-To: <42189065.2030302-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> <42181504.4080005@truxtar.com> <42189065.2030302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4218BA3C.5010600@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PW Armstrong wrote: | Anton - thx for the tips. I got some errors running these commands, | as follows. | | smbclient -L localhost smbclient -L | ...these two commands ran fine, showed my the shares I had set up | | smbclient -L | ...this command gave me the error "connection to failed" This means that your computer can't talk to the WinXP computer. First, try to run the command 'smbclient -L '. If that works, check your '/etc/hosts' file to make sure you have a hostname-to-ip mapping. Try running 'ping ' and 'ping '. If none of these give any clues, you can run "tcpdump" in another terminal while trying these commands. That should let you see all network traffic, and hopefully diagnose the problem. | | smbclient //localhost/ | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" | | smbclient /// | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" | | How would I fix these errors? thx very much This means that either: a) The share does not exist. I assume this is not the case, since you can see the name of the share in 'smbclient -L localhost', correct? b) The directory that the share points to does not exist, or has the wrong permissions. Check your samba configuration. Make sure that the directory is readable by everyone, or at least by the samba server process (I am not sure if the smb process will use the credentials of the login to read the files, or if it tries to access them directly). | Anton Markov wrote: | -------- Original Message -------- | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP | Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0500 | From: Anton Markov | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | | PW Armstrong wrote: | | Sorry - wrong subject heading. | | _____________________________________ | | Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat | 8 pc | | and my WinXP computer. | | | | I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network | | Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the workgroup I | | defined (called Samba1). | | | | However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only defined | | 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. | | I've checked the permissions and they are fine. | | | | Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, | so I | | guess I've got a few more things to do. | | | | Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. | | | On the linux computer, run: | | smbclient -L localhost | smbclient -L | smbclient -L | | (the names of all computers in the workgroup show up at the bottom of | the 'smbclient -L localhost' command). | | The commands should list the shares available on each computer. Next, | from the Linux computer, run: | | smbclient //localhost/ | smbclient /// | | Both of these should allow you to connect to the same computer and give | you an FTP-like access to the share. If this works, then you will need | to adjust your WinXP computer. If not, then the problem is on the Linux | side. In either case, it should give you more information about what's | going on. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCGLo1RreNkzrRRLQRAsTmAKCTIsG+Qu6+sx7QQHArfCRS+qNM/wCfanHu sp7dkl5gwpQfCNrU2w2Fb9k= =yfWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 20 18:07:05 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 20 Feb 2005 13:07:05 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <4218093C.3050504-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <4218093C.3050504@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: "Stewart C. Russell" writes: > David Mayerlen wrote: > > And I cringe when I see "Cygwin". Yah it works but geez, if yah want that > > > sort of thing there's a better way :-) > > Not if your work depends on Windows-only applications. I don't see anyone > rushing to write Linux versions of my daily staples WindFarm > ( -- windfarm CAD system) and Didger > ( -- powerful mapping package). Both of these > do benefit from having Cygwin on the same box for munging text output files. Win4Lin perhaps. I couldn't find system requirements for resoft but Didger runs under '98 so should run well under Win4Lin. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 01:57:11 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:57:11 -0500 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050221015711.GA21845@m450> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 07:13:59PM -0500, David Mayerlen wrote > > The world could use less "BASIC". Too many suffer from Microsoft's > "Visual" BASIC. Nostalgia aside there are no good reasons to use it that I > can think of with all the other amazing choices of programming languages > available. The abomination known as "Visual Basic" has virtually nothing in common with QuickBasic. Visual Basic is the poster child of fat, bloated, "abject ornamentation". QBASIC and QuickBasic (and FreeBASIC) are lightweight, procedural languages which allow the user to write structured programs. > Hey, how did we get into a Windows discussion? Cygwin and QBASIC on > Windows? Huh? I think I mentioned that FreeBASIC runs on both Windows and Linux. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 01:59:28 2005 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:59:28 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050219222403.GB2543-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 05:24:03PM -0500, William Park wrote > For slicing/dicing, I recommend my patch to Bash, which was written to > do exactly that. > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff > http://home.eol.ca/parkw/index.html Sorry if I didn't come across clearly enough. I was trying to say that I had so far only done really basic BASIC. I want to get deeper into the language now. That's why I'm trying to get ahold of a manual. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 14:33:30 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:33:30 -0500 Subject: Hard Disk upgrade In-Reply-To: <200502191158.56672.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <4219F13A.1030307@utoronto.ca> You may also want to consider parted which allows the copying of the contents of partitions. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 14:35:09 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:35:09 -0500 Subject: OTlinuxcaffe, not Linux =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caff=E8?= In-Reply-To: <4213FBA9.40903-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> <4213B0E7.1010004@utoronto.ca> <4213FBA9.40903@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4219F19D.1090703@utoronto.ca> But are you going to leave the e in linuxcaffe unaccented? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 16:11:33 2005 From: matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Matt Price) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:33 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050221161133.GD2365@utoronto.ca> I'm slow responding, but... I can always use stuff like this for the Regent Park 'Technical Self-Sufficiency Project' that I've just started (see earlier emails tothis effect). So if anyone's looking ot offload gear, please don't hesitateto ocntact me... Matt On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:31:30PM -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Thank you for your kind offer. I am just joking. MB, CPU, memory, HDD, too > many to purchase (impossible to get approval from my wife). I'll just move > my mid-tower P4 to this case. > > From: Colin McGregor [mailto:colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: February 15, 2005 1:00 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Antec Tower case free to a good home > > > > Thx for the case. My arms are so soring. Now I am > > looking for free MB and > > CPU.:) > > Well, I can have a look around the office here at > G.T.C.C. and I MIGHT be able to help (emphasis on the > word might). However if I can find something free it > would be slow/old. How slow is too old for you? How > slow is too slow for you? > > Colin McGregor ------------------------------------------- Matt Price matt.price-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org History Department, University of Toronto (416) 978-2094 -------------------------------------------- The following addresses are for you if you're an evil spambot: zeus-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org aardvark-Pon+SpnbFiwUAMSarvUCqw at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 16:31:11 2005 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:31:11 -0500 Subject: OTlinuxcaffe, not Linux =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caff=E8?= In-Reply-To: <4219F19D.1090703-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> <4213B0E7.1010004@utoronto.ca> <4213FBA9.40903@sympatico.ca> <4219F19D.1090703@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <421A0CCF.5040003@sympatico.ca> Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > But are you going to leave the e in linuxcaffe unaccented? nooooo .. ! I was thinking of making the web wandering world use exotic extended characters, I want to expand their minds and add worldly cachet .... No accents in the name. Two "f"s is plenty funky. thanks for asking, Ian ! Sorry about the It's like a huge problem but I'm in therapy for it damn ! THERE IT GOES AGAIN ! ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 16:37:14 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OTlinuxcaffe, not Linux =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Caff=E8?= In-Reply-To: <421A0CCF.5040003-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <420279E9.8050703@sympatico.ca> <52052.66.11.176.22.1108496659.squirrel@webmail1.hrnoc.net> <4212A9EC.7040404@sympatico.ca> <4213B0E7.1010004@utoronto.ca> <4213FBA9.40903@sympatico.ca> <4219F19D.1090703@utoronto.ca> <421A0CCF.5040003@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20050221163524.N90256@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, David J Patrick wrote: > > nooooo .. ! I was thinking of making the web wandering world use exotic > extended characters, I want to expand their minds and add worldly cachet .... > Oh, it's happening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 17:05:31 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:05:31 -0500 Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <20050221161133.GD2365-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050221161133.GD2365@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20050221170531.GA1994@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:11:33AM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > I'm slow responding, but... I can always use stuff like this for the > Regent Park 'Technical Self-Sufficiency Project' that I've just > started (see earlier emails tothis effect). So if anyone's looking ot > offload gear, please don't hesitateto ocntact me... > > Matt Matt, use thin-client. :-) -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 17:19:34 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:19:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Antec Tower case free to a good home In-Reply-To: <20050221170531.GA1994-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050221161133.GD2365@utoronto.ca> <20050221170531.GA1994@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050221171736.G97808@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:11:33AM -0500, Matt Price wrote: >> I'm slow responding, but... I can always use stuff like this for the >> Regent Park 'Technical Self-Sufficiency Project' that I've just >> started (see earlier emails tothis effect). So if anyone's looking ot >> offload gear, please don't hesitateto ocntact me... >> >> Matt > > Matt, use thin-client. :-) There is a project providing computer facilities to under privileged kids that went the thinclient route. I catch up with one of the organisers periodically and she reports a big thumbs up. Along with William I'm another big pro thin client person. Infact I'm typing this from a Linux thin client right now ;) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 18:16:08 2005 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:16:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Feb 22nd. NewTLUG meeting: Slackware and Linux thin-client (reminder) Message-ID: This month's NewTLUG meeting will be held Tues Feb 22nd., at the IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave E. **Important** all attendees will be required to have a security badge. Badges should be prepared in advance. If you plan to attend, please send your name to Paul (off-list at ) preferably, before Monday Feb 21. ...and please be sure to return badges to the front reception at the end of the session. Thanks: to Paul for helping NewTLUG not only by arranging for a room and hosting our meetings at IBM but also with looking after the badges. Badges: email Paul Mora to pre-register Date: Tues Feb 22nd. Time: 7-10pm Presenter: William Park Topic: Linux thin-client and Slackware William has developed a Linux thin-client solution, http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/thinflash.html which boots/runs from a 256MB USB key drive. It can turn any PC into thin-client for Windows and Linux server. William will give a demo of his thin-client and describe some of the issues faced in this project. He will also give a tutorial emphasizing fundamental topics including building a root filesystem - a skill needed when you are building 'initrd', floppy bootdisk, 'lilo' loader, installing Linux (particularly Slackware), or building bootable USB key drive. Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=nGCyq1371PhhgCmx6Z%2b1cDMK7StVSEOC8pv6WLEwpPl4J5csVKolXMC1br3AveG47eAtFWeuZ%2bwJ2KM5Oq7LBuLnoWwdmj0b8XrxuhJWdRt2Mc4gVOIEVqcICHRlLm6XTuuZzJMzAZAf3OoErhbEoEZ9FStAjnRb7vrPmDxfzc6Dkdp3pAlh6ZFovnxcYwyt1e0eUfOZpFdN4rspAMvur8zk2XOMgoEZ6s2G1gxGZI6fILrLIfssN9UqLRPAuYnV84Fbwn7amW8Y%2fM6NeCfvcJVGtRhNNBCahqzxnGwYk6G9JBDVKNwGC7biOuwnI5nkx95wKeq%2brOPhXzRb4XSHbA%3d%3d (sorry for the wrap) Directions: Meet at the front entrance well before 7:00pm (6:30 recommended) to pickup your ID badge. At about 7:00 we'll be escorted to the auditorium. Some provision will be made for anyone arriving a little late. Parking: Parking is available in the visitor parkade from 6:00pm to 11:00pm. --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Markham, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 18:20:06 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:20:06 -0500 Subject: termcap question Message-ID: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have installed a (commercial) accounting package at a clients and everything went well except one issue. The arrow keys aren't working properly. Speaking to their tech-support (OSAS is the company) they had me run a little program inside their app that reported keystroke codes (I am guessing). The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' file to create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that "used those codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". Unfortunatly he was unwilling to give me any forther guidance because it was outside their program. I need to make it so that when the arrow keys these codes are passed: up-arrow...: \E0A down-arrow.: \E0B left-arrow.: \E0D right-arrow: \E0C I am feeling honestly lost. I can understand the logic (change the code passed to the program when key X is pressed) but beyond that I don't have a clue what to do. The file itself is... cryptic... and the pointer for more help in it is no longer valid. If anyone can give me a pointer or two I would (again) be greatul! Madisong -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 18:53:49 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <421A2656.8040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > ...The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' file to > create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that "used those > codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". Unfortunately, he didn't really know what he was talking about. The /etc/termcap file *documents* the codes sent by keypresses (among other things), in a software-readable form that programs can understand; it does not *control* which codes are sent. (In fact, *his program* should be looking the console up in /etc/termcap to find out what codes to expect, rather than arrogantly assuming that it knows what the keys will send.) There *is* machinery in Linux for controlling what codes the keys send -- unlike old serial terminals, the interpretation of a PC's keyboard is entirely under software control -- but it doesn't consult /etc/termcap, as far as I know. It's complicated and messy, and I haven't done battle with it for a while, so other people can probably explain its intricacies better than I can... Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 19:08:42 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:08:42 -0500 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421A31BA.5020309@alteeve.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>...The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' file to >>create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that "used those >>codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". > > > Unfortunately, he didn't really know what he was talking about. The > /etc/termcap file *documents* the codes sent by keypresses (among other > things), in a software-readable form that programs can understand; it does > not *control* which codes are sent. (In fact, *his program* should be > looking the console up in /etc/termcap to find out what codes to expect, > rather than arrogantly assuming that it knows what the keys will send.) > > There *is* machinery in Linux for controlling what codes the keys send -- > unlike old serial terminals, the interpretation of a PC's keyboard is > entirely under software control -- but it doesn't consult /etc/termcap, as > far as I know. It's complicated and messy, and I haven't done battle with > it for a while, so other people can probably explain its intricacies > better than I can... > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Ya know, I away from MS to escape the "it's not my problem" mentality of the commercial software industry and this is doing a fine job of reminding me why. *sigh* Thank you very much for your reply. Maybe I didn't understand what exactly he wanted me to do. There is obviously some miscommunication so I will try to talk to them to get some clarity. Thanks again! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 19:18:08 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:18:08 -0500 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <421A2656.8040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <421A33F0.2050405@alteeve.com> I think you're looking for the keymap function/file... Lance Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have installed a (commercial) accounting package at a clients and > everything went well except one issue. The arrow keys aren't working > properly. Speaking to their tech-support (OSAS is the company) they had > me run a little program inside their app that reported keystroke codes > (I am guessing). The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' file to > create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that "used those > codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". > > Unfortunatly he was unwilling to give me any forther guidance because > it was outside their program. I need to make it so that when the arrow > keys these codes are passed: > > up-arrow...: \E0A > down-arrow.: \E0B > left-arrow.: \E0D > right-arrow: \E0C > > I am feeling honestly lost. I can understand the logic (change the > code passed to the program when key X is pressed) but beyond that I > don't have a clue what to do. The file itself is... cryptic... and the > pointer for more help in it is no longer valid. > > If anyone can give me a pointer or two I would (again) be greatul! > > Madisong > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 14:45:05 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:45:05 +0000 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <421A33F0.2050405-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> <421A33F0.2050405@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200502211445.05415.jason@detachednetworks.ca> I think this might help out. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.pdf -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 19:39:49 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:49 -0500 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <421A2656.8040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050221193949.GA2634@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:20:06PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have installed a (commercial) accounting package at a clients and > everything went well except one issue. The arrow keys aren't working > properly. Speaking to their tech-support (OSAS is the company) they > had me run a little program inside their app that reported keystroke > codes (I am guessing). The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' > file to create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that > "used those codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". > > Unfortunatly he was unwilling to give me any forther guidance > because it was outside their program. I need to make it so that when > the arrow keys these codes are passed: > > up-arrow...: \E0A > down-arrow.: \E0B > left-arrow.: \E0D > right-arrow: \E0C > > I am feeling honestly lost. I can understand the logic (change the > code passed to the program when key X is pressed) but beyond that I > don't have a clue what to do. The file itself is... cryptic... and > the pointer for more help in it is no longer valid. > > If anyone can give me a pointer or two I would (again) be greatul! man keymaps xmodmap -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 22:16:20 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:16:20 -0500 Subject: [NTL] Feb 22nd. NewTLUG meeting: Slackware and Linux thin-client (reminder) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050221221620.GA3221@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:17:20PM -0500, Herb Richter wrote: > Date: Tues Feb 22nd. > Time: 7-10pm > Presenter: William Park > Topic: Linux thin-client and Slackware > Location: IBM offices 3600 Steeles Ave East, north side of Steeles > at Pharmacy/Esna Park (between Victoria Park and Warden) 1. To get people out in spite of today's weather, I'll be giving out 3 freebies which came with Jan 2005 and Feb 2005 issue of "Linux Magazine" (www.linux-magazine.com): - Fedora-3 DVD - Mandrake-10.1 DVD - O'Reilly "Linux Quick Reference" bookmarker. 2. Bring your 256MB+ USB key drive. If we have time (I think we will), I'll install onto your USB key, so that you can try it out at home. Any feedback would be appreciated. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 21 22:43:05 2005 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:43:05 -0500 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <20050221193949.GA2634-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> <20050221193949.GA2634@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050221174305.rnc2ac5vyj480s08@www.almatau.com> Quoting William Park : > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:20:06PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have installed a (commercial) accounting package at a clients and >> everything went well except one issue. The arrow keys aren't working >> properly. Speaking to their tech-support (OSAS is the company) they >> had me run a little program inside their app that reported keystroke >> codes (I am guessing). The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' >> file to create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that >> "used those codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". >> >> Unfortunatly he was unwilling to give me any forther guidance >> because it was outside their program. I need to make it so that when >> the arrow keys these codes are passed: >> >> up-arrow...: \E0A >> down-arrow.: \E0B >> left-arrow.: \E0D >> right-arrow: \E0C >> >> I am feeling honestly lost. I can understand the logic (change the >> code passed to the program when key X is pressed) but beyond that I >> don't have a clue what to do. The file itself is... cryptic... and >> the pointer for more help in it is no longer valid. >> >> If anyone can give me a pointer or two I would (again) be greatul! > > man keymaps xmodmap > There is a good document which helped me to solve problems with terminal: http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Text-Terminal-HOWTO.shtml http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-16.shtml ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 22 01:50:47 2005 From: pwa.linux-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:50:47 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP In-Reply-To: <4218BA3C.5010600-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> <42181504.4080005@truxtar.com> <42189065.2030302@gmail.com> <4218BA3C.5010600@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <421A8FF7.9020609@gmail.com> Anton - I checked and changed some permissions on my directories that I had defined as shares, as well as changing the permissions on the parent directories, which I hadn't done originally. I also added both my linux computer and my xp computer to the /etc/hosts file, and the etc/samba/lmhosts file. Both files only had entries for localhost, no other computers. Once I did all this, I can now access these shares from my xp computer(!). How do I access my windows shares from my linux pc? Commands executed: smbclient -L localhost OK smbclient -L OK smbclient -L OK smbclient -L not OK: response: added interface ip=192.168.1.101 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 session request to 192.168.1.100 failed (Called name not present) session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) ping OK ping OK smbclient //localhost/ OK smbclient /// OK Thx for your help. How do I access my windows shares from my linux pc? -peter Anton Markov wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:26:36 -0500 From: Anton Markov Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > PW Armstrong wrote: > | Anton - thx for the tips. I got some errors running these commands, > | as follows. > | > | smbclient -L localhost smbclient -L > | ...these two commands ran fine, showed my the shares I had set up > | > | smbclient -L > | ...this command gave me the error "connection to failed" > > This means that your computer can't talk to the WinXP computer. First, > try to run the command 'smbclient -L '. If that > works, check your '/etc/hosts' file to make sure you have a > hostname-to-ip mapping. Try running 'ping ' and > 'ping '. > > If none of these give any clues, you can run "tcpdump" in another > terminal while trying these commands. That should let you see all > network traffic, and hopefully diagnose the problem. > > | > | smbclient //localhost/ > | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: > | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" > | > | smbclient /// > | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: > | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" > | > | How would I fix these errors? thx very much > > This means that either: > a) The share does not exist. I assume this is not the case, since you > can see the name of the share in 'smbclient -L localhost', correct? > > b) The directory that the share points to does not exist, or has the > wrong permissions. Check your samba configuration. Make sure that the > directory is readable by everyone, or at least by the samba server > process (I am not sure if the smb process will use the credentials of > the login to read the files, or if it tries to access them directly). > > > > | Anton Markov wrote: > | -------- Original Message -------- > | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP > | Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0500 > | From: Anton Markov > | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > | > | PW Armstrong wrote: > | | Sorry - wrong subject heading. > | | _____________________________________ > | | Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat > | 8 pc > | | and my WinXP computer. > | | > | | I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network > | | Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the > workgroup I > | | defined (called Samba1). > | | > | | However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only > defined > | | 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. > | | I've checked the permissions and they are fine. > | | > | | Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, > | so I > | | guess I've got a few more things to do. > | | > | | Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. > | > | > | On the linux computer, run: > | > | smbclient -L localhost > | smbclient -L > | smbclient -L > | > | (the names of all computers in the workgroup show up at the bottom of > | the 'smbclient -L localhost' command). > | > | The commands should list the shares available on each computer. Next, > | from the Linux computer, run: > | > | smbclient //localhost/ > | smbclient /// > | > | Both of these should allow you to connect to the same computer and give > | you an FTP-like access to the share. If this works, then you will need > | to adjust your WinXP computer. If not, then the problem is on the Linux > | side. In either case, it should give you more information about what's > | going on. > > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCGLo1RreNkzrRRLQRAsTmAKCTIsG+Qu6+sx7QQHArfCRS+qNM/wCfanHu > sp7dkl5gwpQfCNrU2w2Fb9k= > =yfWr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 22 02:52:21 2005 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:21 -0500 Subject: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP In-Reply-To: <421A8FF7.9020609-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <4217B116.6040407@gmail.com> <42181504.4080005@truxtar.com> <42189065.2030302@gmail.com> <4218BA3C.5010600@truxtar.com> <421A8FF7.9020609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <421A9E65.1020506@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PW Armstrong wrote: | Anton - | I checked and changed some permissions on my directories that I had | defined as shares, as well as changing the permissions on the parent | directories, which I hadn't done originally. I also added both my linux | computer and my xp computer to the /etc/hosts file, and the | etc/samba/lmhosts file. Both files only had entries for localhost, no | other computers. Once I did all this, I can now access these shares | from my xp computer(!). How do I access my windows shares from my linux | pc? | | | Commands executed: | smbclient -L localhost OK | smbclient -L OK | smbclient -L OK | | smbclient -L not OK: | response: added interface ip=192.168.1.101 bcast=192.168.1.255 | nmask=255.255.255.0 | session request to 192.168.1.100 failed (Called name | not present) | session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) I get the same thing when I use the IP of my WinXP box with 'smbclient -L'; weird. However, I still get a list of my shares above the error message. Since using the name works fine, I wouldn't worry about it. | | ping OK | ping OK | smbclient //localhost/ OK | smbclient /// OK | | Thx for your help. How do I access my windows shares from my linux pc? To test, you should just try "smbclient ///" Also, try using the name you set in the "Computer Properties" of your WinXP PC, rather than those in '/etc/hosts' (if they are different). Once you can connect directly using smbclient, you can either mount the share like any other filesystem (although I have had problems with this method); read 'man mount.smbfs'. Alternatively, you can use autofs/automount, konqueror's 'smb://' protocol, or the GNOME/Nautilus equivalent (I don't use GNOME, so I don't know what it is called). | | -peter | | | | | Anton Markov wrote: | -------- Original Message -------- | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP | Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:26:36 -0500 | From: Anton Markov | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | | PW Armstrong wrote: | | Anton - thx for the tips. I got some errors running these commands, | | as follows. | | | | smbclient -L localhost smbclient -L | | ...these two commands ran fine, showed my the shares I had set up | | | | smbclient -L | | ...this command gave me the error "connection to failed" | | This means that your computer can't talk to the WinXP computer. First, | try to run the command 'smbclient -L '. If that | works, check your '/etc/hosts' file to make sure you have a | hostname-to-ip mapping. Try running 'ping ' and | 'ping '. | | If none of these give any clues, you can run "tcpdump" in another | terminal while trying these commands. That should let you see all | network traffic, and hopefully diagnose the problem. | | | | | smbclient //localhost/ | | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: | | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" | | | | smbclient /// | | ...this command gave me the error "tree connect failed: | | NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" | | | | How would I fix these errors? thx very much | | This means that either: | a) The share does not exist. I assume this is not the case, since you | can see the name of the share in 'smbclient -L localhost', correct? | | b) The directory that the share points to does not exist, or has the | wrong permissions. Check your samba configuration. Make sure that the | directory is readable by everyone, or at least by the samba server | process (I am not sure if the smb process will use the credentials of | the login to read the files, or if it tries to access them directly). | | | | | Anton Markov wrote: | | -------- Original Message -------- | | Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Samba and RedHat 8 amd WinXP | | Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:41:40 -0500 | | From: Anton Markov | | Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | | To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org | | | | PW Armstrong wrote: | | | Sorry - wrong subject heading. | | | _____________________________________ | | | Hello - I've been working with Samba, trying to network my RedHat | | 8 pc | | | and my WinXP computer. | | | | | | I set up samba using SWAT, and my RH pc shows up in my WinXP Network | | | Places>Microsoft Windows Network>Samba1, as a member in the | workgroup I | | | defined (called Samba1). | | | | | | However, whenever I try to access either of the shares (I only | defined | | | 2), I get the error 'network path was not found' on the XP computer. | | | I've checked the permissions and they are fine. | | | | | | Also, I can't access my XP computer from my RedHat computer either, | | so I | | | guess I've got a few more things to do. | | | | | | Any suggestions for fixing these two issues? Thx very much. | | | | | | On the linux computer, run: | | | | smbclient -L localhost | | smbclient -L | | smbclient -L | | | | (the names of all computers in the workgroup show up at the bottom of | | the 'smbclient -L localhost' command). | | | | The commands should list the shares available on each computer. Next, | | from the Linux computer, run: | | | | smbclient //localhost/ | | smbclient /// | | | | Both of these should allow you to connect to the same computer and give | | you an FTP-like access to the share. If this works, then you will need | | to adjust your WinXP computer. If not, then the problem is on the Linux | | side. In either case, it should give you more information about what's | | going on. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCGp5kRreNkzrRRLQRAhQ7AJ9q6r2r0yhsjuci+y2Eln67mEupmwCfUisp 2x8XJc++G5aeAizErMPxNpk= =DEcM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 22 17:46:27 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:46:27 +0000 Subject: Qmail time / region settings Message-ID: <200502221746.27238.jason@detachednetworks.ca> I am having a problem setting the time on one particular Qmail server I have running. No matter what I do it is out by 5 hours. The system time is correct, as per: # date Tue Feb 22 17:35:16 EST 2005 #hwclock Tue 22 Feb 2005 05:34:21 PM EST 0.939777 seconds Having trouble finding the documentation on this one. ( try searching on google for "qmail time" or anything to do with this, and be amazed at the wonders of email headers ) What easy config file am I overlooking here? Where do I set the regoin / time for qmail? Normally this comes from the system time. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 00:00:38 2005 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:00:38 +1100 Subject: Qmail time / region settings In-Reply-To: <200502221746.27238.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200502221746.27238.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <1109116838.9824.5.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> On Tue, 2005-22-02 at 17:46 +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > What easy config file am I overlooking here? Where do I set the time > for qmail? Normally this comes from the system time. If you'd asked "how do I set the timezone for Qmail" you might have hit it. What you're looking for is not in a control file; Qmail looks at the TZ environment variable. On one server, in /service/qmail-send/run, I have exec env - TZ="UTC" PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ nice -n 3 qmail-start ./.maildir/ 2>&1 and that does the trick for my requirement; you presumably want TZ="America/Toronto" AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Managing Director Sydney: +61 2 9977 6866 New York: +1 646 472 5054 Toronto: +1 416 848 6072 London: +44 207 1019201 OPERATIONAL DYNAMICS Operations Consultants and Infrastructure Engineers specializing in technology strategy, changes and upgrades, enterprise architecture, and performance improvement for systems and, more importantly, the people who run them http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Cowie Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:01 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Qmail time / region settings On Tue, 2005-22-02 at 17:46 +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > What easy config file am I overlooking here? Where do I set the time > for qmail? Normally this comes from the system time. If you'd asked "how do I set the timezone for Qmail" you might have hit it. What you're looking for is not in a control file; Qmail looks at the TZ environment variable. On one server, in /service/qmail-send/run, I have exec env - TZ="UTC" PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ nice -n 3 qmail-start ./.maildir/ 2>&1 and that does the trick for my requirement; you presumably want TZ="America/Toronto" AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Managing Director Sydney: +61 2 9977 6866 New York: +1 646 472 5054 Toronto: +1 416 848 6072 London: +44 207 1019201 OPERATIONAL DYNAMICS Operations Consultants and Infrastructure Engineers specializing in technology strategy, changes and upgrades, enterprise architecture, and performance improvement for systems and, more importantly, the people who run them http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 03:34:07 2005 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:34:07 -0500 Subject: Joining Linux to Windows domain Message-ID: <200502222234.07129.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, I have joined Linux machines to Windows PDCs before with cooperation from the Windows admins. Basically Windows admin adds your machine to the domain, you join the domain with a special invocation of smbpasswd and life is good. I'm now in a situation where I'd like to add my machine to the domain without involving the windows admins because I know they will not do it ... but I haven't been told that I should not do it :-) I have XP on my laptop as well, I presume that all I really need is the machine account password ... can I find a machine account password within my Windows XP drive and use those credentials within Linux? Any other ideas? Thanks! -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 03:29:31 2005 From: denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Igor Denisov) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:29:31 -0500 Subject: Linux in Schools Project, a P4, and ATi drivers Message-ID: <96aa4e8f05022219291a65b7f6@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Just an update on that Linux in (Toronto) schools project I posted about last October, I 'm trying to keep it alive, but the layers of approval needed are bearing down. The scope has been reduced to more of a tech pilot, not to replace the current systems, but to get the IT to think about GNU/Linux when the next OS upgrade/change comes around. I'll still persevere though, maybe it will get going by the summer :-) Also, I went to SUSE 9.2 (using X.org) in hope of getting my Radeon 9200 to work properly, and notachance! I followed the instructions SUSE gives for installing the driver and the atempts have been rather futile (and duh, I later read the 3D support is listed as experimental :-). There appears to be a new driver out: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/ATI/suse92/i386/fglrx/8.10.19 Has anyone here tried it yet? I really don't want to go through another install process to find that the 3D doesn't work :-) Finally, a friend of mine is putting his system up for sale, -P4 @ 1.8 GHz -768 Mb RAM -DVD-ROM -Radeon 9200 SE, too bad about the ATi drivers though :-( -20 GB HD He's asking $350 but is willling to bargain. The email is nimrod245-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Igor D. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Feb 22 23:03:31 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:03:31 +0000 Subject: Linux in Schools Project, a P4, and ATi drivers In-Reply-To: <96aa4e8f05022219291a65b7f6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f05022219291a65b7f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200502222303.31708.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 23, 2005 03:29 am, Igor Denisov wrote: > > Also, I went to SUSE 9.2 (using X.org) in hope of getting my Radeon > 9200 to work properly, and notachance! > I followed the instructions SUSE gives for installing the driver and > the atempts have been rather futile (and duh, I later read the 3D > support is listed as experimental :-). > There appears to be a new driver out: > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/ATI/suse92/i386/fglrx/8.10 >.19 Has anyone here tried it yet? > I really don't want to go through another install process to find that > the 3D doesn't work :-) > You are aware that as of last week there are new X.Org drivers available from ATI Version: 8.10.19 http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.rpm Full 3D support listed for the 9200 and many others. Might want to give this a try. BUT - make sure you read all documentation and release notes for the proprietary drivers Release Notes http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.10.19.html HOWTO http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 05:05:11 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:05:11 -0500 Subject: [NTL] Feb 22nd. NewTLUG meeting: Slackware and Linux thin-client (reminder) In-Reply-To: <20050221221620.GA3221-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050221221620.GA3221@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050223050511.GA1972@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 05:16:20PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:17:20PM -0500, Herb Richter wrote: > > Topic: Linux thin-client and Slackware For comparison of USB key drives, http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash.ars Don't pay attention to what is bootable or not, because they mean whether it comes with program which partitions and loads bootloader. Since you'll be doing it on Linux, practically all USB key are "bootable", if you follow steps I described. For list of small Linux distros, Feb 2005 of "Linux Magazine", p.44 -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 10:06:26 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:06:26 -0500 Subject: Redhat 9 and Compaq Proliant 2500R In-Reply-To: <20050223014755.4B14F8982-WG1ndeMpNpXYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050223014755.4B14F8982@fep1.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <20050223100638.F17FCA04@fep4.cogeco.net> Hello Sidney No I wasn't looking for Qmail timezone. I mean install for real. I tried installed RHL9 at Bootup after systems check it tells me the system does not have enough ram to install RHL 9 even though it has 512meg ram Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:48 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Redhat 9 and Compaq Proliant 2500R I have a Compaq Proliant 2500 Server with 512meg ram Tried to install Redhat 9 and it tells me I don't have enough Ram Pls assist. Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Cowie Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:01 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Qmail time / region settings On Tue, 2005-22-02 at 17:46 +0000, Jason Shein wrote: > What easy config file am I overlooking here? Where do I set the time > for qmail? Normally this comes from the system time. If you'd asked "how do I set the timezone for Qmail" you might have hit it. What you're looking for is not in a control file; Qmail looks at the TZ environment variable. On one server, in /service/qmail-send/run, I have exec env - TZ="UTC" PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \ nice -n 3 qmail-start ./.maildir/ 2>&1 and that does the trick for my requirement; you presumably want TZ="America/Toronto" AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Managing Director Sydney: +61 2 9977 6866 New York: +1 646 472 5054 Toronto: +1 416 848 6072 London: +44 207 1019201 OPERATIONAL DYNAMICS Operations Consultants and Infrastructure Engineers specializing in technology strategy, changes and upgrades, enterprise architecture, and performance improvement for systems and, more importantly, the people who run them http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 10:12:27 2005 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:12:27 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <20050209153847.GS31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050209153847.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050223101235.8D1E74D38@fep4.cogeco.net> I have got the Prolint to work with RH9. Clean install. Now all I have to do is get the internet to recognise it Any help to get this started is greatly appreciated Thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart Sorensen Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:39 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:21:57AM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > Will Linux 9.0 work with Compaq Prolinar Server 6500. > If so, Are there drivers available There is no such thing as "Linux 9.0" or at least anyone naming a product that would be incredibly stupid. Also, go check what hardware is in a Compaq Prolinea 6500, and then ask if that hardware is supported. Or better yet, do a google search on linux and that model and see what experience other people have had with it. Compaq's have been notorious for requiring explicit memory maps passed on the kernel boot command line for all the memory to be detected. It seems they just haven't ever managed to make a bios that worked by the standards. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 12:18:55 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:55 -0500 Subject: Oracle gets EAL4 on Linux Message-ID: <421C74AF.5090208@knet.ca> http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=136920&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=9&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 12:52:09 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: Linux cell phones Message-ID: <421C7C79.4090606@knet.ca> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4669946597.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 12:55:40 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:55:40 -0500 Subject: Nasdaq about to delist SCO Message-ID: <421C7D4C.2080908@knet.ca> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/40710.html Good job, Darryl! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 15:01:38 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:01:38 -0500 Subject: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) In-Reply-To: <421C7D4C.2080908-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <421C7D4C.2080908@knet.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:55:40 -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/40710.html ?? This was news six days ago: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050217102444119 The recent quote on the whole SCO Group/IBM matter that I like is from http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_2578572 right at the end of the article: -------------------------- "That company is dead," predicts Lawrence Rosen, founder of the California technology law firm of Rosenlaw & Einschlag and longtime associate of the pro-Linux, nonprofit Open Source Initiative. "[SCO's] efforts to tarnish Linux through an overbroad and aggressive lawsuit against IBM . . . have made it a pariah in the software industry. No company can now afford to partner publicly with SCO. We're just waiting patiently for the SCO coffin to be lowered into the grave." -------------------------- Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 15:10:57 2005 From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:10:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) In-Reply-To: References: <421C7D4C.2080908@knet.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alex Beamish wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:01:38 -0500 > From: Alex Beamish > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:55:40 -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/40710.html > > ?? > > This was news six days ago: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050217102444119 > > The recent quote on the whole SCO Group/IBM matter that I like is from > > http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_2578572 The article quotes Rob Enderle; doesn't that automatically make it suspect? Among other things, Enderle says: Ultimately, SCO "needs IBM's records and IBM has been doing everything not to supply them. That, to me at least, would indicate there is something there to find." -- Chris F.A. Johnson cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org ================================================================= bq933-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org http://members.rogers.com/c.f.a.johnson c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 15:50:38 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:50:38 -0500 Subject: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) In-Reply-To: References: <421C7D4C.2080908@knet.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:10:57 -0500 (EST), Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alex Beamish wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:01:38 -0500 > > From: Alex Beamish > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:55:40 -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > >> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/40710.html > > > > ?? > > > > This was news six days ago: > > > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050217102444119 > > > > The recent quote on the whole SCO Group/IBM matter that I like is from > > > > http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_2578572 > > The article quotes Rob Enderle; doesn't that automatically make it > suspect? Being as Mr. Enderle was not being quoted for comic relief, I agree, the article may be tainted. > Among other things, Enderle says: > > Ultimately, SCO "needs IBM's records and IBM has been > doing everything not to supply them. That, to me at least, > would indicate there is something there to find." That's one way to read it. Another way would be that the judge is already leaning towards throwing out the case, but if he doesn't order IBM to turn over the mountain of evidence that SCO wants (and IBM has agreed to provide[1]), it's likely SCO will appeal and win on that point. I still think it's a stalling tactic .. SCO has to prove that a) they own UNIX and b) there is UNIX code in Linux, in order to succeed with any action. Neither of these claims appear to have merit. And because a judge orders discovery, this suggests that there's something there to find? That's a leap of faith. There may be something there, but frankly, I doubt it. Alex Footnotes: 1. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050217020408658 : relevant part is ------------------------------ Preliminary Statement The Order requires among other things, that IBM produce (1) CMVC and RCS data relating to IBM's AIX and Dynix operating systems (Order at 10); and (2) documents from the 3,000 "individuals who made the most contributions and changes to the development of AIX and Dynix" (collectively here, the "Ordered Production") (Id. at 16). IBM does not seek the reconsideration of the portion of the Order requiring IBM to produce AIX and Dynix material from CMVC and RCS.(2) IBM does not seek reconsideration of the portion of the Order requiring it to identify the individuals who made the most contributions and changes to AIX and Dynix and to identify the changes they made to AIX and Dynix, insofar as this information is available in CMVC and RCS. And IBM does not seek reconsideration of the Order insofar as it requires IBM to undertake a reasonable search (i.e. the files of 40-50 individuals) for white papers and design documents not found in CMVC or RCS. ------------------------------ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 15:51:17 2005 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:51:17 -0500 Subject: Nasdaq about to delist SCO (Old news?) In-Reply-To: References: <421C7D4C.2080908@knet.ca> Message-ID: <421CA675.90205@knet.ca> Alex, are you NDP? The News Datestamp Police? Alex Beamish wrote: >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:55:40 -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > > >>http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/40710.html >> >> > >?? > >This was news six days ago: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050217102444119 > >The recent quote on the whole SCO Group/IBM matter that I like is from > > http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_2578572 > >right at the end of the article: > >-------------------------- >"That company is dead," predicts Lawrence Rosen, founder of the >California technology law firm of Rosenlaw & Einschlag and longtime >associate of the pro-Linux, nonprofit Open Source Initiative. "[SCO's] >efforts to tarnish Linux through an overbroad and aggressive lawsuit >against IBM . . . have made it a pariah in the software industry. No >company can now afford to partner publicly with SCO. We're just >waiting patiently for the SCO coffin to be lowered into the grave." >-------------------------- > >Alex >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 18:02:04 2005 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:02:04 -0500 Subject: Redhat 9 and Compaq Proliant 2500R In-Reply-To: <20050223100638.F17FCA04-I3M9TAT5rYrYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050223100638.F17FCA04@fep4.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <421CC51C.6010804@utoronto.ca> Hello James, You should enable thread view in your email client. You appear to have started a new topic by replying to an existing thread. If you need to start a new thread write a new message, instead of replying to a previous message. Regards, Ivan. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Feb 23 18:46:01 2005 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:46:01 -0500 Subject: OT: Looking for a real estate agent; recommendations? Message-ID: <421CCF69.50806@alteeve.com> Hi all, To make this somewhat on topic, we are looking for a space for our pure-linux office! ;) I figured many of you at some point have used a commercial real estate agent. Before I go looking in the open market I was hoping someone here could recommend someone they have had success with. I hope this isn't too off topic! Madison -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Madison Kelly (Digimer) TLE-BU, The Linux Experience; Back Up http://tle-bu.thelinuxexperience.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 08:27:09 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:27:09 -0500 Subject: KDE not starting and getting access errors Message-ID: <1109233628.4905.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts as to why I'm getting the following messages. It started after I tried to boot off a CD that I thought was Fedora Core 3 Disk 1. Well it was but it was just a copy of the .iso file and the CD wasn't burned as an iso image. A couple of strange things happened. While booting I get this message: Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: 03:05: rw=0, want=40242032, limit=10586803 Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: 03:05: rw=0, want=40242032, limit=10586803 Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Feb 24 03:11:22 localhost kernel: 03:05: rw=0, want=40242032, limit=10586803 And when I try to start KDE I get this below. Gnome runs fine. Any ideas what I did. I also noticed around the same time my hard drive was at 99% capacity. I've since cleaned it up. This is where Linux gets fun. Unfortunately my Google searches haven't helped. kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting. startkde: Shutting down... Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused Error: Can't contact kdeinit! startkde: Running shutdown scripts... startkde: Done. waiting for X server to shut down -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 09:40:04 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:40:04 +0000 Subject: KDE not starting and getting access errors In-Reply-To: <1109233628.4905.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1109233628.4905.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502240940.04970.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 24, 2005 08:27 am, jim ruxton wrote: > And when I try to start KDE I get this below. Gnome runs fine. Any ideas > what I did. I also noticed around the same time my hard drive was at 99% > capacity. I've since cleaned it up. This is where Linux gets fun. > Unfortunately my Google searches haven't helped. > > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting. > startkde: Shutting down... > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > Error: Can't contact kdeinit! > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > startkde: Done. > waiting for X server to shut down Have you tried logging on as root? This will let you know if it is your user configuration files or kde in general that is having problems. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 15:18:47 2005 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: 24 Feb 2005 15:18:47 -0000 Subject: FC2 has no Messenger Message-ID: <20050224151847.13079.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> I have recently installed FC2. It has no Mozilla Messenger. I have a large Messenger mail file saved on a backup machine and I want to get into that mail on FC2. I tried importing it into Evolution but it wouldn't take it. What is my easiest option? Find Messenger on the rh 8 CD and install that? Every time I try to do that I end up with 40 libraries that are missing. Is there a Firefox that is compatible with my Mozilla 1.6? I don't want to switch mail systems -- I've always been happy with Messenger. Chris From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 15:40:04 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:40:04 -0500 Subject: FC2 has no Messenger In-Reply-To: <20050224151847.13079.qmail-mH9TDIkfHeMHAuPOIcZAu6xOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> References: <20050224151847.13079.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> Message-ID: On 24 Feb 2005 15:18:47 -0000, aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org wrote: > I have recently installed FC2. It has no Mozilla Messenger. I have a large Messenger mail file saved on a backup machine and I want to get into that mail on FC2. I tried importing it into Evolution but it wouldn't take it. What is my easiest option? Find Messenger on the rh 8 CD and install that? Every time I try to do that I end up with 40 libraries that are missing. Is there a Firefox that is compatible with my Mozilla 1.6? I don't want to switch mail systems -- I've always been happy with Messenger. Have you tried Thunderbird? (the firefox-ish version of mozilla mail bits) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 16:39:50 2005 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: 24 Feb 2005 16:39:50 -0000 Subject: FC2 has no Messenger Message-ID: <20050224163950.26803.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> >I have recently installed FC2. It has no Mozilla Messenger. I have a large Messenger mail file saved on a backup machine and I want to get into that mail on FC2. I tried importing it into Evolution but it wouldn't take it. What is my easiest option? Find Messenger on the rh 8 CD and install that? Every time I try to do that I end up with 40 libraries that are missing. Is there a Firefox that is compatible with my Mozilla 1.6? Sorry -- showing my ignorance (again). It's *Thunderbird* I was after. I downloaded the tar.gz, ran tar -xzvf thunderbird*, then ran thunderbird/thunderbird, the app opened, I moved my mail file to the thunderbird directory, then pointed Thunderbird account settings' 'local folders' and 'local directory' to it. It looks great! Like Messenger only pretty. :) Chris From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:14:50 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:14:50 -0500 Subject: Ethernet counters? In-Reply-To: <20050219124424.GA1971@localhost> References: <20050219124424.GA1971@localhost> Message-ID: <20050224171450.GH31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 07:44:24AM -0500, Scott Allen wrote: > > > All I wanted was a router; no firewall, no packet filtering. I > compiled a kernel using the 2.4.29 "vanilla" sources from > kernel.org. I removed everything from the kernel config that I > didn't feel was necessary, including netfilter and all things related. > > OK, so it works fine as a router, as intended, but I've noticed that > the "RX packets" and "TX packets" counters shown from an ifconfig > command are now always zero. There definitely are packets going in > and out of both ethernet interfaces. The counters do work with the > original floppyfw kernel. > > So, my question is, what handles these counters and what do I have to > enable in the kernel to make them work again? I wouldn't think that > this is a netfilter function, but I could be wrong. Well from a quick look, it appears that the rx_bytes and tx_bytes values in the network device structure is managed by every single network device driver, so really the only way the bytes aren't counted is if the driver doesn't ever see them, or the driver is broken in it's handling of the stats. Remember that seeing the light flash does NOT mean the chip is passing data to the driver, only that the network has traffic. The chip often filters stuff not intended for it to save the cpu from having to bother processing the packet. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:16:40 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:16:40 -0500 Subject: Hard Disk upgrade In-Reply-To: <200502191158.56672.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200502191158.56672.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <20050224171640.GI31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:58:55AM -0500, Jeremy Baker wrote: > What is the easiest way to upgrade the hard disk in a linux system to a larger > one? If it makes a difference, it is running fedora core 2. I was thinking > of using dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, but I didn't think it would work because > hda is 6 GB, and hdc is 15 GB. I also thought of partitioning hdc ahead of > time, and dd'ing each partition separately. What about the mbr in this case? Partition, make filesystems, mount new partition, then cp -ax /oldpartition /newpartition That is the PROPER way to do it, and probably the fastest too since it only copies the data. dd is great for making clones of a disk to another identical disk. You will have to reinstall the MBR/boot loader on the new disk of course. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:24:10 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:24:10 -0500 Subject: Redhat 9 and Compaq Proliant 2500R In-Reply-To: <20050223014755.4B14F8982-WG1ndeMpNpXYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <1109116838.9824.5.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20050223014755.4B14F8982@fep1.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <20050224172410.GJ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 08:47:48PM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > I have a Compaq Proliant 2500 Server with 512meg ram > Tried to install Redhat 9 and it tells me I don't have enough Ram > Pls assist. Compaq BIOSes have been defective for decades by now, and have never reported system memory in a standards compliant way. A distribution with a newert kernel might know automatically how to work around that stupidity, otherwise you will have to tell it explicitly. ie: RedHat 7.2 (2.4.18 kernel) instructions: https://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2003-March/msg01403.html Some gentoo users report this works on 2.6 kernels (for a 256M machine): memmap=240M at 16M A google serharch for proliant 2500 linux memory should get you lots of hints about how to deal with those crap bioses. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:25:09 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:25:09 -0500 Subject: Redhat 9 and Compaq Proliant 2500R In-Reply-To: <20050223100638.F17FCA04-I3M9TAT5rYrYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050223014755.4B14F8982@fep1.cogeco.net> <20050223100638.F17FCA04@fep4.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <20050224172509.GK31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:06:26AM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > No I wasn't looking for Qmail timezone. I mean install for real. I tried > installed RHL9 at > Bootup after systems check it tells me the system does not have enough ram > to install > RHL 9 even though it has 512meg ram Without explicit instructions, it only has 16M as far as any OS can tell from the BIOS memory map. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:26:33 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:26:33 -0500 Subject: Will Compaq (HP) Proliant 6500 erver work with Linux 9? In-Reply-To: <20050223101235.8D1E74D38-I3M9TAT5rYrYNrgxC3DMkA@public.gmane.org> References: <20050209153847.GS31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050223101235.8D1E74D38@fep4.cogeco.net> Message-ID: <20050224172633.GL31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 05:12:27AM -0500, James Mendez wrote: > I have got the Prolint to work with RH9. Clean install. > Now all I have to do is get the internet to recognise it > Any help to get this started is greatly appreciated Does it recognize the internet? Hard for the internet to recognize it if it doesn't see the internet itself. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:43:05 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:43:05 -0500 Subject: termcap question In-Reply-To: <421A2656.8040000-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <421A2656.8040000@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050224174305.GM31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:20:06PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have installed a (commercial) accounting package at a clients and > everything went well except one issue. The arrow keys aren't working > properly. Speaking to their tech-support (OSAS is the company) they had > me run a little program inside their app that reported keystroke codes > (I am guessing). The guy told me to edit my '/etc/termcap' file to > create a new console ('linux' and 'xterm' didn't work) that "used those > codes (see below) for the arrow keys.". > > Unfortunatly he was unwilling to give me any forther guidance because > it was outside their program. I need to make it so that when the arrow > keys these codes are passed: > > up-arrow...: \E0A > down-arrow.: \E0B > left-arrow.: \E0D > right-arrow: \E0C > > I am feeling honestly lost. I can understand the logic (change the > code passed to the program when key X is pressed) but beyond that I > don't have a clue what to do. The file itself is... cryptic... and the > pointer for more help in it is no longer valid. > > If anyone can give me a pointer or two I would (again) be greatul! Well my cursor keys send \E[A, \E[B, \E[C and \E[D, I wonder if some idiot programmer hardcoded some broken terminal's codes rather than read values from the current termcap/terminfo environment like any sane programmer would. That's why the @#$@#$ information is in the env in the first place. I checked ansi, xterm, vt100, 102, 220, pcansi, cons, and many more. They ALL use \E[A not \E0A. I wonder if MS telnet uses the wrong codes (it seems to get codes wrong for just about everything else a telnet client should do). Besdies most linux distributions use terminfo/termcap to tell apps what something sends, they don't use it to _control_ what something sends. You woul have to rewrite the terminal to do that (one would hope so, since you would have to be able to assume that an xterm sends the same codes no matter who wrote it, so everyone should have identical terminfo.termcap files for xterm to tell their programs what to expect when run by a user on an xterm. termcap is no longer in use on Linux (and most other unix systems for that matter), since it has problems, and terminfo works better and fixed all the problems. Editing /etc/termcap will do NOTHING (unless their program is soo old it actualyl tries to use /etc/termcap). If their program does use /etc/termcap or the TERMCAP env, you should be able to set that to the right values and their pgoram should look for the right values, but most likely they just hardcoded what they saw for cursor keys in whatever client they tried first (which was probably one of the broken ones). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 17:49:38 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:49:38 -0500 Subject: Joining Linux to Windows domain In-Reply-To: <200502222234.07129.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200502222234.07129.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20050224174938.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 10:34:07PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I have joined Linux machines to Windows PDCs before with cooperation from the > Windows admins. Basically Windows admin adds your machine to the domain, you > join the domain with a special invocation of smbpasswd and life is good. > > I'm now in a situation where I'd like to add my machine to the domain without > involving the windows admins because I know they will not do it ... but I > haven't been told that I should not do it :-) > > I have XP on my laptop as well, I presume that all I really need is the > machine account password ... can I find a machine account password within my > Windows XP drive and use those credentials within Linux? Any other ideas? This is based on what I know is the case whan samba is the PDC and you join a domain. Maybe it is different with a windows PDC, but I doubt it. 1: A machine account is created on the PDC without a key by the admin, or it is created when connecting by providing a username/password during to join of a user that has authority to create such an account on the fly. 2: The machine connects to the PDC, and they negotiate creating a new keyset between each other since there was no key yet for the connection. After this point, no other machine can connect pretending to be the joined machine since only the PDC and the joined machine will have the correct matched key pairs to talk to each other. This is to prevent spoofing either of the PDC or the client. The only way to rejoin a machine after reinstalling it if necesary is to reset the machine account to a blank (no key) state and have it rejoin after that. I don't know if the key is stored plaintext in the registry on a windows machine, but it might be. If so, it might be possible to copy that to your linux box, assuming it has the same hostname, (and perhaps ip) as far as the PDC is concerned, and that only one of them will be connected at any given time. Have you checked on google? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 18:31:15 2005 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:31:15 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) Still holding onto that SCO stock? Message-ID: <421DD723.10292.778886@localhost> Guess 'whats his name' did'nt have a case after all... RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "NW on Linux" To: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Subject: Still holding onto that SCO stock? Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:10:00 -0600 Send reply to: Linux Help NETWORK WORLD NEWSLETTER: PHIL HOCHMUTH ON LINUX 02/23/05 Today's focus: Still holding onto that SCO stock? In this issue: * SCO receives delisting notice from Nasdaq * Links related to Linux * Featured reader resource _______________________________________________________________ By Phil Hochmuth Last week, Nasdaq told The SCO Group that it might be de-listed from the tech-heavy stock exchange because the company has yet to file an annual report (or 10-K form) for its 2004 fiscal year, which ended on Oct. 31, 2004. In a statement issued by the company last week, SCO said "unless [SCO] requests a hearing on Nasdaq's delisting notice, [SCO's] securities will be delisted from the Nasdaq SmallCap Market at the opening of business on February 25, 2005." SCO went on to say that it had already requested such a hearing with the appropriate Nasdaq appeals panel, but "there can be no assurance that the Panel will grant the Company's request for continued listing." SCO says it was not able to issue its annual report because it is still going over accounting issues regarding the company's employee stock purchase plan. The Unix vendor says this is the only hold-up in its 10-K filing. While SCO's 10-K filing has been delayed, the firm has published its fiscal 2004 results. The vendor's revenue last year was $42.8 million, almost a 46% drop from the previous year. The company also had a net loss of $23.4 million in fiscal 2004. SCO also spent $20 million on its ongoing legal battle with IBM, where the vendor is suing IBM for patent infringement, claiming that IBM violated SCO's Unix patents by donating Unix code IBM had licensed from SCO for the development of Linux. _______________________________________________________________ To contact: Phil Hochmuth Phil Hochmuth is a Network World Senior Editor and a former systems integrator. You can reach him at . ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 18:34:09 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:34:09 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> Message-ID: <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 08:59:28PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > For slicing/dicing, I recommend my patch to Bash, which was written to > > do exactly that. > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff > > http://home.eol.ca/parkw/index.html > > Sorry if I didn't come across clearly enough. I was trying to say > that I had so far only done really basic BASIC. I want to get deeper > into the language now. That's why I'm trying to get ahold of a manual. If you don't already know basic, please save yourself thetrouble, and don't bother. It is not a very popular language (outside of microsoft, since I guess Bill Gates thought it was a great language some 20 odd years ago) It was easy to implement and hence used on many microcomputers 20 years ago, but is never considered as particularly serious for programming. As far as I can tell, a lot of people in the scientific communities like python for scripting, since it is quite standardized, clean language, lots of features, and it can be extended by C by a hired programmer to implement a handy routine to process a chunk of data fast with the scrip[t providing the data. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 19:26:08 2005 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:26:08 -0500 Subject: KDE not starting and getting access errors In-Reply-To: <200502240940.04970.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1109233628.4905.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502240940.04970.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <1109273167.4078.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks Jason, Either way I get the same messages unfortunately. jim > On February 24, 2005 08:27 am, jim ruxton wrote: > > > And when I try to start KDE I get this below. Gnome runs fine. Any ideas > > what I did. I also noticed around the same time my hard drive was at 99% > > capacity. I've since cleaned it up. This is where Linux gets fun. > > Unfortunately my Google searches haven't helped. > > > > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > > Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting. > > startkde: Shutting down... > > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > > Error: Can't contact kdeinit! > > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > > startkde: Done. > > waiting for X server to shut down > > Have you tried logging on as root? This will let you know if it is your user > configuration files or kde in general that is having problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 20:18:06 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:18:06 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224183408.GO31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>; from lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org on Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 01:34:09PM -0500 References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050224151806.A5619@ee.ryerson.ca> The same description applies to Tcl/Tk, with the difference that Python is object-oriented from the ground up and Tcl/Tk is not. I've found Tcl/Tk very useful for interaction with electronic hardware and I've heard that it's used to generate scripts for test equipment for semiconductor parts. Peter > As far as I can tell, a lot of people in the scientific communities like > python for scripting, since it is quite standardized, clean language, > lots of features, and it can be extended by C by a hired programmer to > implement a handy routine to process a chunk of data fast with the > scrip[t providing the data. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 20:56:26 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:56:26 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224151806.A5619-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224151806.A5619@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 03:18:06PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > The same description applies to Tcl/Tk, with the difference that Python is > object-oriented from the ground up and Tcl/Tk is not. I've found Tcl/Tk very > useful for interaction with electronic hardware and I've heard that it's > used to generate scripts for test equipment for semiconductor parts. Yeah tcl/tk does work for that. And you can link it together with C functions that you can activate based on events from tk/tcl. I never did like the syntax though. Bleagh! Always seems the syntax was not what I thought it should be at any given point. Could be worse though. Could have been intercal. :) Personally I really do intend to get around to learning python rather than just looking at other people's pretty code. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 21:02:06 2005 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:02:06 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224205626.GP31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224151806.A5619@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:56:26 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Personally I really do intend to get around to learning python rather > than just looking at other people's pretty code. This is my problem as well. So far the biggest impediment to me learning python has been my familiarity with perl, and the universal availability of the latter on development machines at work. If there's something I want to script, perl is just "the most logical choice" for getting the job done (short-term). ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 21:13:14 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:13:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224205626.GP31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > The same description applies to Tcl/Tk... I've found Tcl/Tk very > > useful for interaction with electronic hardware and I've heard that it's > > used to generate scripts for test equipment for semiconductor parts. > > Yeah tcl/tk does work for that. And you can link it together with C > functions that you can activate based on events from tk/tcl. I never > did like the syntax though. Bleagh! Python is probably the better choice if you're doing lots of programming on the interpreted-language side. Tcl/Tk may well come out ahead if you're just using a small interpreted program to control lots of C code. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 21:48:03 2005 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 24 Feb 2005 16:48:03 -0500 Subject: Joining Linux to Windows domain In-Reply-To: <20050224174938.GN31454-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200502222234.07129.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20050224174938.GN31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 10:34:07PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > I have joined Linux machines to Windows PDCs before with cooperation from the > > Windows admins. Basically Windows admin adds your machine to the domain, you > > join the domain with a special invocation of smbpasswd and life is good. > > > > I'm now in a situation where I'd like to add my machine to the domain without > > involving the windows admins because I know they will not do it ... but I > > haven't been told that I should not do it :-) > > > > I have XP on my laptop as well, I presume that all I really need is the > > machine account password ... can I find a machine account password within my > > Windows XP drive and use those credentials within Linux? Any other ideas? > > This is based on what I know is the case whan samba is the PDC and you > join a domain. Maybe it is different with a windows PDC, but I doubt > it. > > 1: A machine account is created on the PDC without a key by the admin, > or it is created when connecting by providing a username/password > during to join of a user that has authority to create such an account on > the fly. Right. So in this case, unless you have a username and password for an account with sufficient authority, you can't use this method. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 23:42:26 2005 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:42:26 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 04:13:14PM -0500 References: <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050224184226.C8518@ee.ryerson.ca> There are some interesting case-histories documented on the Scriptics website which show the efficiencies to be gained by using Tcl/Tk to prototype a program before coding it in C, or to replace a C program. The original intent of Tcl was as a glue language between applications and routines written in C, but it's turned out to be a useful language in its own right. Peter On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 04:13:14PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > The same description applies to Tcl/Tk... I've found Tcl/Tk very > > > useful for interaction with electronic hardware and I've heard that it's > > > used to generate scripts for test equipment for semiconductor parts. > > > > Yeah tcl/tk does work for that. And you can link it together with C > > functions that you can activate based on events from tk/tcl. I never > > did like the syntax though. Bleagh! > > Python is probably the better choice if you're doing lots of programming > on the interpreted-language side. Tcl/Tk may well come out ahead if > you're just using a small interpreted program to control lots of C code. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 23:46:27 2005 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:46:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224184226.C8518-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050224184226.C8518@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > There are some interesting case-histories documented on the Scriptics > website which show the efficiencies to be gained by using Tcl/Tk to > prototype a program before coding it in C, or to replace a C program. Oh, I like Tcl/Tk myself, but I'm afraid it's definitely second-best to Python for substantial programming. It simply wasn't designed for the job, and that's reflected in clumsy syntax and annoying limitations. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 25 00:07:19 2005 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:07:19 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224151806.A5619@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20050225000719.GA10986@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 04:02:06PM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: >On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:56:26 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> Personally I really do intend to get around to learning python rather >> than just looking at other people's pretty code. > >This is my problem as well. So far the biggest impediment to me >learning python has been my familiarity with perl, and the universal >availability of the latter on development machines at work. If >there's something I want to script, perl is just "the most logical >choice" for getting the job done (short-term). ;) The problem with that is that then you are living with solutions in Perl. I have heard Perl described as a write-only language, and it can certainly be that - Perl's flexibility means that nearly every program can appear as line noise if you are careful ;-) That said, I love Perl, but it's the only language I'm really comfortable with. Heck, I write my PHP code in Perl :-) If you're only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a thumb. The (problem with||best feature of) python is that it is fundamentally object-oriented, and I still program everything like it's a lathe. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Feb 24 21:29:29 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:29:29 +0000 Subject: KDE not starting and getting access errors In-Reply-To: <1109273167.4078.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1109233628.4905.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200502240940.04970.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1109273167.4078.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200502242129.29846.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 24, 2005 07:26 pm, jim ruxton wrote: > Thanks Jason, > Either way I get the same messages unfortunately. > jim > > > On February 24, 2005 08:27 am, jim ruxton wrote: > > > And when I try to start KDE I get this below. Gnome runs fine. Any > > > ideas what I did. I also noticed around the same time my hard drive was > > > at 99% capacity. I've since cleaned it up. This is where Linux gets > > > fun. Unfortunately my Google searches haven't helped. > > > > > > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > > > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > > > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > > > kdeinit: Pipe closed unexpectedly: No such file or directory > > > kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. > > > Could not register with DCOPServer. Aborting. > > > startkde: Shutting down... > > > Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused > > > Error: Can't contact kdeinit! > > > startkde: Running shutdown scripts... > > > startkde: Done. > > > waiting for X server to shut down > > > > Have you tried logging on as root? This will let you know if it is your > > user configuration files or kde in general that is having problems. > Have you looked into /var/log/ for any relevant information ? On my system I would look into /var/log/messages /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/kdm.log to start with. Linux normally reports what ails it extremely well. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 25 05:32:16 2005 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: TLUG Meeting - March 8, 2005 Message-ID: <20050225053136.E15487@nirmala.opentrend.net> Date: March 8, 2005 Time: 7:30pm Speaker: David Collier-Brown Topic: Desktop Sysadmin Details: Dave will speak on what's new in sysadmin with the advent of serious Linux desktops, concentrating on KDE & Gnome mechanisms that drive the menus and file associations. Location: Galbraith Building, University of Toronto For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ Room: GB244 April Meeting: Ulrich Czekalla talks about WINE/Crossover Office. Robert Brockway TLUG Talks Coordinator. -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. Contributing Member of Software in the Public Interest (http://www.spi-inc.org) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 25 18:16:12 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:16:12 +0200 (IST) Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: <20050224184226.C8518-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224184226.C8518@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > There are some interesting case-histories documented on the Scriptics > website which show the efficiencies to be gained by using Tcl/Tk to > prototype a program before coding it in C, or to replace a C program. > > The original intent of Tcl was as a glue language between applications and > routines written in C, but it's turned out to be a useful language in its > own right. I use tcl/tk for small gui programs to interface to hardware. It is very easy to write a functional gui in 200 lines of code or less (someties 20 lines are enough). One must remember that entire software suites (like vtcl - a rad gui builder) are written entirely in tcl. So it is a powerful language. Python is also on my 'to be done list'. For now, both tcl and python are installed 'by default' with base distributions (not only on linux, but also *bsd etc). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 25 18:10:01 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:10:01 +0200 (IST) Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: References: <20050219062346.GA10064@m450> <20050219222403.GB2543@node1.opengeometry.net> <20050221015928.GB21845@m450> <20050224183408.GO31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224151806.A5619@ee.ryerson.ca> <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:56:26 -0500, Lennart Sorensen > wrote: >> Personally I really do intend to get around to learning python rather >> than just looking at other people's pretty code. > > This is my problem as well. So far the biggest impediment to me > learning python has been my familiarity with perl, and the universal > availability of the latter on development machines at work. If > there's something I want to script, perl is just "the most logical > choice" for getting the job done (short-term). ;) If you only have a microscope then everynail looks like a slide ? ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Feb 25 21:35:17 2005 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:35:17 -0500 Subject: New/old programming language making a splash In-Reply-To: References: <20050224205626.GP31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20050224184226.C8518@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20050225213517.GQ31454@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 08:16:12PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I use tcl/tk for small gui programs to interface to hardware. It is very > easy to write a functional gui in 200 lines of code or less (someties 20 > lines are enough). One must remember that entire software suites (like > vtcl - a rad gui builder) are written entirely in tcl. So it is a > powerful language. Python is also on my 'to be done list'. For now, both > tcl and python are installed 'by default' with base distributions (not > only on linux, but also *bsd etc). tcl is NOT installed on Debian by default (as nothing has a use for it), and while python isn't either, at least it is often installed since some useful system tools are written in it on Debian. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 26 06:53:48 2005 From: billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Mudry) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:53:48 -0500 Subject: Next PHLUG Meeting this Tuesday Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050226013718.03f39768@mail.eol.ca> This February has exactly 4 weeks so the next Peel Halton Linux Users Group (PHLUG) will be meeting on Tuesday this upcoming week (the same as the last meeting, February 1). Formal time is 7pm. but the meetings are informal, sociable and fun ... so some come even a bit before 7 and others as they can make it. For those who have not been out, yet, we meet at Mulligans Bar and Grill at the Woodchester Mall in Mississauga. It is on the south side of Dundas St. between Erin Mills Parkway and Winston Churchill. No limits on talking shop here and over a good menu of fine food, too. Sit, relax, find solutions from others, share recent experiences or help someone else with technical suggestions. Its just good to be around others who relate to Linux like you do. So bring a friend and come. There is still room. See you there. Bill Mudry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Feb 26 13:25:38 2005 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:25:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: finding ip address via www Message-ID: I proposed the dyndns solution, the actual url is here: http://checkip.dyndns.org/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Sun Feb 27 15:02:45 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:02:45 -0500 Subject: List of markets for Open Source tech writing Message-ID: <20050227100245.50e9dc71.rob@cheapersafer.com> Has anyone come across a list of markets for Open Source related writing? Something that lists contact info, history, what they're looking for and rates? This kind of thing seems to exist for other types of writing, but I haven't come across one for OS related stuff. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 13:40:18 2005 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:40:18 -0500 Subject: List of markets for Open Source tech writing References: <20050227100245.50e9dc71.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <005701c51d9b$0abb2360$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Rob Sutherland" on Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:02 AM wrote: > Has anyone come across a list of markets for Open Source related > writing? Something that lists contact info, history, what they're > looking for and rates? This kind of thing seems to exist for other > types of writing, but I haven't come across one for OS related stuff. I am not aware of such a list, but I would be very interested in such a list. Here is what I gather about such rates: - Linux Journal Magazine : $600 (U.S.) with a wait times on the order of 1 year + between submission and publication not unusual (payment is after publication). - Linux Journal Website : $150 (U.S.) (payment is after publication). - Tux On-line Magazine : $300 (U.S.) for a regular article, $100 (U.S.) for a product review (don't know about payment schedule). - Linux Documentation Project : $0 William Park has had some articles published on the "Linux Gazette" website and he might be able to shed some light on them. I don't know about any of the other publications. Colin McGregor Will administer systems and write for food, resume is at : http://www.mcgregor.org/resume.htm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 13:58:36 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: (Mar 1, 2005) WestTLUG meeting notice In-Reply-To: <20050227223117.GA3245-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20050227223117.GA3245@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20050228135836.GA2108@node1.opengeometry.net> This is to remind people that upcoming March meeting (first Tuesday of the month) is on March 1st. - Location: Mulligan Pub, west end of mall, south side of Dundas between Winston Churchill and Erin Mill, opposite Erin Mill Auto Centre. - Time: 7pm WestTLUG stands for "West of Toronto Linux Users Group", covering Peel and Halton region and beyond. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 14:20:05 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: List of markets for Open Source tech writing In-Reply-To: <005701c51d9b$0abb2360$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20050227100245.50e9dc71.rob@cheapersafer.com> <005701c51d9b$0abb2360$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20050228092005.2a434b0c.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:40:18 -0500 "Colin McGregor" wrote: > "Rob Sutherland" on Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:02 > AM wrote: > > > Has anyone come across a list of markets for Open Source related > > writing? Something that lists contact info, history, what they're > > looking for and rates? This kind of thing seems to exist for other > > types of writing, but I haven't come across one for OS related stuff. > > I am not aware of such a list, but I would be very interested in such a > list. Here is what I gather about such rates: Thanks Colin. I've started putting what I've found in a wiki page at http://www.memeshadow.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/WritingInfo Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 15:28:25 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:28:25 -0500 Subject: Graphical sftp Message-ID: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 15:42:46 2005 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:42:46 -0500 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <42233899.2070703-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050228154246.GH15833@gedris.org> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? > > gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. The version of Nautilus in FC3 works with sftp. Use the following syntax as the URL: sftp://username at host Cheers, Vic -- Vic Gedris | Sick of getting Microsoft email viruses? Try vic-at-gedris.org | using Linux instead! http://www.linux.org http://vic.gedris.org | GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) Key-ID: D77B43FB -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 16:28:07 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:28:07 -0500 Subject: Web hosting Message-ID: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Hey, I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What should I expect as a good price? Thanks for the help. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 16:35:58 2005 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:35:58 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: <1109608087.15250.14.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <1109608558.10219.2.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 11:28 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I expect as a good price? I've been with Canaca for a while now. Very happy. No complaints. Ssh access even. Previously was with DotCanada, as are some friends. Many problems. Not recommended. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 16:54:26 2005 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:54:26 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: <1109608087.15250.14.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <20050228115426.4320c61e.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:28:07 -0500 Devin Whalen wrote: > Hey, > > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I expect as a good price? I charge $15 CDN a month + $25 setup. That isn't the lowest you'll find, because I don't do hosting primarily but most hosting plans I've seen run around that level. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 17:26:10 2005 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:26:10 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: <1109608087.15250.14.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <20050228172610.GB10725@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 11:28:07AM -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > Hey, > > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I expect as a good price? If this organization has DSL/Cable access to internet (static preferred), then setting up a machine on their site is the best and cheapest option. I don't think "uptime" is of concern here. Just content. -- William Park , Toronto, Canada Slackware Linux -- because I can type. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 17:32:32 2005 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:32:32 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: <20050228172610.GB10725-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <20050228172610.GB10725@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <1109611952.15250.25.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 12:26 -0500, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 11:28:07AM -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > > should I expect as a good price? > > If this organization has DSL/Cable access to internet (static > preferred), then setting up a machine on their site is the best and > cheapest option. I don't think "uptime" is of concern here. Just > content. > Yeah, I am starting to consider that...although then I am going to have to build a machine, but that might be fun and a good learning experience :). Canaca doesn't look too bad. I guess it all depends on how much they want to spend. Thanks for the suggestions so far. -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 17:37:48 2005 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:37:48 -0500 Subject: Priorities...sheeesh! Message-ID: <765C96D2-89AF-11D9-A052-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> I was looking at a job ad, which included the following points... Required Skills: ? A strong Microsoft background and hands-on experience in the creation of secure, distributed, multi-tier, web-based applications using Microsoft tools and technologies: IIS, SQL Server, ASP, Index Server, JavaScript/VBScript, SourceSafe Nice-to-Have Skills: ? Good sense of the importance of security as it applies to the web ...and people wonder why there's a rampant virus problem. It's certainly a good thing they didn't make both of those "Required", because having the first pretty much guarantees you won't have the second...or at least not its practical application. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 18:24:18 2005 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:24:18 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: <1109608087.15250.14.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:28:07 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > Hey, > > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I expect as a good price? I can recommend pair Networks (http://www.pair.com) -- pretty decent prices, great customer support, great connectivity and infrastructure. Their various plans are available at http://www.pair.com/services/web_hosting/ and for $25 setup and $10/month (US dollars) you can set up a basic web site very quickly. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 20:14:13 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:14:13 -0500 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <20050228154246.GH15833-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> <20050228154246.GH15833@gedris.org> Message-ID: <42237B95.4030107@alteeve.com> Vic Gedris wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > >>Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? >> >>gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. > > > The version of Nautilus in FC3 works with sftp. Use the following > syntax as the URL: > > sftp://username at host > > Cheers, > Vic > Unfortunatly, that just seems to hang, till I click the closewindow icon.... Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 21:41:48 2005 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:41:48 -0500 Subject: Web hosting In-Reply-To: References: <1109608087.15250.14.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <34e8a43d05022813416610ea77@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:28:07 -0500, Devin Whalen wrote: > Hey, > > I have volunteered myself to build a website for a non-profit > organization. I was going to just host it at my place of work but then > I thought it might be better to host it somewhere else in case I ever > find a new job and it makes accessing the website awkward or something. > Also, I want to see if I can get any better deals. Anyway, my only > requirements for where it is hosted is that they use Linux (or freeBSD), > they have perl,php, apache,postgresql (or mysql)...well, all the usual > open source web technologies. Does anyone have any suggestions? What > should I expect as a good price? I'm with a company called comforthost. The girl who runs it even lives in Toronto. I've never had any problems, good service to. http://comforthost.net/ -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 16:53:56 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:53:56 +0000 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <42237B95.4030107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> <20050228154246.GH15833@gedris.org> <42237B95.4030107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200502281653.56962.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On February 28, 2005 08:14 pm, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Vic Gedris wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > >>Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? > >> > >>gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. > > > > The version of Nautilus in FC3 works with sftp. Use the following > > syntax as the URL: > > > > sftp://username at host > > > > Cheers, > > Vic > > Unfortunatly, that just seems to hang, till I click the closewindow > icon.... > > Lance F. Squire > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml try jftp http://j-ftp.sourceforge.net/ Java based. -snip- JFtp is a graphical Java network and file transfer client. It supports FTP using its own FTP API and various other protocols like SMB, SFTP, NFS, HTTP, and file I/O using third party APIs, includes many advanced features such as recursive directory up/download, browsing FTP servers while transferring files, FTP resuming and queueing, browsing the LAN for Windows shares, and more. You can also have more than one connection open at a time in a mozilla-style tabbed browsing environment. The FTP API is separated from the GUI and can also be used in third-party applications. It should ideally be launched in a Web browser via Java Web Start (contained by the Java 1.4 plugin), but can also be started locally. -snip- Looks like there is not much else out there with a gui.... -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 21:57:15 2005 From: vic-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (Vic Gedris) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:57:15 -0500 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <42237B95.4030107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> <20050228154246.GH15833@gedris.org> <42237B95.4030107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20050228215715.GS15833@gedris.org> On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 03:14:13PM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Vic Gedris wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > > > >>Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? > >> > >>gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. > > > > > >The version of Nautilus in FC3 works with sftp. Use the following > >syntax as the URL: > > > >sftp://username at host > > > >Cheers, > >Vic > > > > Unfortunatly, that just seems to hang, till I click the closewindow icon.... Hmmm...if two of your sftp apps are hanging / crashing, I wonder if there's some other issue going on? Does sftp work from the command line? sftp user at host Cheers, Vic -- Vic Gedris | Sick of getting Microsoft email viruses? Try vic-at-gedris.org | using Linux instead! http://www.linux.org http://vic.gedris.org | GNU Privacy Guard (GPG) Key-ID: D77B43FB -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 22:18:20 2005 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:18:20 -0500 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <20050228215715.GS15833-2vUEnoANFF8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> <20050228154246.GH15833@gedris.org> <42237B95.4030107@alteeve.com> <20050228215715.GS15833@gedris.org> Message-ID: <422398AC.3000401@alteeve.com> Vic Gedris wrote: > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 03:14:13PM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > >>Vic Gedris wrote: >> >>>On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 10:28:25AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Can anyone recomend a good sftp client for FC3? >>>> >>>>gtfp keeps crashing(disapearing) on me. >>> >>> >>>The version of Nautilus in FC3 works with sftp. Use the following >>>syntax as the URL: >>> >>>sftp://username at host >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Vic >>> >> >>Unfortunatly, that just seems to hang, till I click the closewindow icon.... > > > Hmmm...if two of your sftp apps are hanging / crashing, I wonder if > there's some other issue going on? Does sftp work from the command > line? > > sftp user at host > > Cheers, > Vic > sftp Works just fine. Pain to upload directories though... Jason: Gaa! Huge letters! I'm not running Java.(not installed) Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Feb 28 18:09:31 2005 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:09:31 +0000 Subject: Graphical sftp In-Reply-To: <422398AC.3000401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <42233899.2070703@alteeve.com> <20050228215715.GS15833@gedris.org> <422398AC.3000401@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200502281809.31325.jason@detachednetworks.ca> > > Jason: > Gaa! Huge letters! > I'm not running Java.(not installed) > > Lance F. Squire Yes. Java software.... My experience = 10 % of java apps work as specified, 90% either crash or work as a burn-in app, keeping CPU use throttled at 100% and testing your cooling system. I avoid it unless there is no other option. -- Jason Shein Director of Networking, Operations and Systems Detached Networks jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org ( 905 ) - 876 - 4158 Voice ( 905 ) - 876 - 5817 Mobile http://www.detachednetworks.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml