From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 01:17:33 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:17:33 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
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On Tuesday 31 August 2004 08:14 am, Hoshil N. Desai wrote:
> I have about 650 jpeg's (approx. 1.5 MB each) from a recent family reunion.
> I need to shrink them down and start e-mailing them and/or posting them on
> my site.
Here is a short bash script that you can use.
give it a name ,something like 'reduce'
#! /bin/bash
for file in *.jpg
do
convert $file -resize $1x$1 $file
done
xxxxxxxxxx
Have the script in the directory where you have a *copy* of all your 650
files.
Usage: reduce NNN
NNN is the desired pixel size e.g 1200
All your 650 pictures will be converted to this new size, regardless of the
original size.
John
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From hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 01:32:07 2004
From: hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Hoshil N. Desai)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:32:07 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
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References: <4134988E.5080509@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <20040901013209.079F87898@lethe.ss.org>
mogrify -size 800x600 *.jpg -resize 800x600 +profile "*"
Worked like a charm, in about 20 minutes it shrunk a 1.3GB folder into a
80MB folder and the picture quality is really good.
Thank you all for your suggestions and help.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Anton Markov
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:26 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Shrinking Images
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Fraser Campbell wrote:
| There's lots of software for creating image galleries. I think it's
highly
| preferable to use a website rather than email, some people still have
dialup.
Yes, and many people still use Hotmail or something else with a size limit.
|
| I use igal, it's a simple command line program (as simple as "igal ."
if you
| like). Software's at http://www.stanford.edu/~epop/igal (if you use
Debian
| then just apt-get install it).
Or take a look at IDS. It's a perl/ImageMagick (PerlMagick) based image
gallery app.
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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 02:35:24 2004
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:35:24 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
In-Reply-To: <20040831121502.BF62B6D99A-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <413398E3.4040106@alteeve.com>
<20040831121502.BF62B6D99A@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040831223524.6ba7943d.hgibson@eol.ca>
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:14:48 -0400
"Hoshil N. Desai" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I know this topic was discussed not long ago, but I didn't pay much
> attention to it at that time and I am now paying the price.
>
> I have about 650 jpeg's (approx. 1.5 MB each) from a recent family reunion.
> I need to shrink them down and start e-mailing them and/or posting them on
> my site.
>
> I would prefer a command line interface. I don't have a monitor connected
> to my Linux machine. I normally ssh into Linux from a windows machine.
>
> If someone could point me to the archive or even better if someone has
> already done this could pass some first hand knowledge, I would appreciate
> it. And not to waste anyone else's time with a repetitive question, you
> could contact me off the list.
>
> Thank you,
> Hoshil
Hoshil,
My problem is quickly posting large numbers of JPEGs to a website. I am very lazy.
Take a look at my BASH script at http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/mkJPEGdir.
Type in the command by itself and it explains its syntax. Being a BASH script, you can just study the damn thing. The web page title must be enclosed in quotes. Any directories with spaces in them must be enclosed in quotes.
You must have ImageMagick installed.
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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 02:58:20 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:58:20 -0400
Subject: hello again - and a question about Rogers
In-Reply-To: <200408311330.57190.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040830201249.68394.qmail@web88106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4133ADFC.5020603@sympatico.ca> <200408311330.57190.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <41353ACC.6010707@sympatico.ca>
Fred Nastos wrote:
>
> A question, just so I can be certain (I know little about networking): If I
> get one of these, can I easily hook it up to my router, and from the office
> send files home to the usb drive connected to the fileserver?
Maybe -- I don't know. You'd probably have to know your home IP address,
punch some ports open in your router, and enable uPnP on the NSLU2. It's
supposed to be net accessible, but I specifically don't want that.
Stewart
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From hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 03:06:14 2004
From: hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Hoshil N. Desai)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:06:14 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
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References: <20040831223524.6ba7943d.hgibson@eol.ca>
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Thanks Howard, I will give that script a try
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From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Howard
Gibson
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:35 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Shrinking Images
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:14:48 -0400
"Hoshil N. Desai" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I know this topic was discussed not long ago, but I didn't pay much
> attention to it at that time and I am now paying the price.
>
> I have about 650 jpeg's (approx. 1.5 MB each) from a recent family
reunion.
> I need to shrink them down and start e-mailing them and/or posting them on
> my site.
>
> I would prefer a command line interface. I don't have a monitor connected
> to my Linux machine. I normally ssh into Linux from a windows machine.
>
> If someone could point me to the archive or even better if someone has
> already done this could pass some first hand knowledge, I would appreciate
> it. And not to waste anyone else's time with a repetitive question, you
> could contact me off the list.
>
> Thank you,
> Hoshil
Hoshil,
My problem is quickly posting large numbers of JPEGs to a website. I am
very lazy.
Take a look at my BASH script at http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/mkJPEGdir.
Type in the command by itself and it explains its syntax. Being a BASH
script, you can just study the damn thing. The web page title must be
enclosed in quotes. Any directories with spaces in them must be enclosed in
quotes.
You must have ImageMagick installed.
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howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org
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From forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 13:23:19 2004
From: forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin C)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 06:23:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mars-nwe - reliability?
Message-ID: <20040901132319.83268.qmail@web14525.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi.
I've been trying to use samba for a file server, tu
run a DOS program. In the clients, I tried m$'s TCP/IP
client, but my program opens more than 64 files, and I
think the client don't support that...
Now I'm trying mars-nwe, it is a free novell server.
The clients runs DOS as the novell netware clients. My
program runs OK.
I will have 4 clients running the program. Do you have
tested mars-nwe? Is it reliable?
thank you in advance.
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From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 13:38:52 2004
From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (Bob Findlay)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:38:52 -0400
Subject: selfhosted(live)CD question
Message-ID: <20040901134828.249295751F@outbox.allstream.net>
With generous assistance from Steve Meyer (recent TLUG speaker) I have
managed to create a selfhosted(live)CD for the SIMPL open source project
which I facilitate (https://sourceforge.net/projects/simpl).
At this stage this CD is intended as a learning aid for the SIMPL toolset.
In an ideal world the user would pop the CD into the drive and boot off it.
They would then insert their work floppy (or key) and have it mount to the
filesystem transparently.
Does anyone know a way to autodetect and mount a floppy upon insertion?
bob
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:19:39 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:19:39 -0400
Subject: Good 64 bit motherboard
In-Reply-To: <7aa37fa804082722401f6df3b0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <2636.200.65.2.12.1093647309.squirrel@www.lijour.net> <20040828043445.GK19549@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7aa37fa804082722401f6df3b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040901151939.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 11:40:02PM -0600, Adil Kodian wrote:
> make sure you buy a SATA controller that is supported by your version
> of linux. I have a tyan thunder k8w with a sil3114 card, and ive
> never gotten the hardware RAID to work properly in a manner that both
> windows and linux can use any partition on the RAID'ed hard drives
> (Raid0)
>
> but working with my desktop (2x248 opteron, 1Gig RAM, 120Gx3 SATA hdd)
> with windows2k (32bit) ive found it to be blazingly fast - P4s and
> Xeons dont even come close! I can run a heavy simulation ad 70%cpu),
> and continuously keep playing my games without a skip or freeze !
> (NVidia GeForce FX 128Mb agp card)
>
> With linux in the native 64 bit mode it runs unbelievably fast - yep i
> also experienced the kernel compiling like magic. Mandrake, SuSE, FC2
> all have AMD64 versions, although FC2 comes with support for almost
> every new device - and so may be important to some.
Well my wife got a laptop yesterday (she wanted a laptop, and it was
$400 off, so seemed like a good idea), which I think she will probably
install Linux on this weekend (after reinstalling Windows in a more
clean state than it comes, and with more than one partition). It will
be interesting to see how Linux runs in 64bit mode on it. I am sure the
wireless network will be a pain, but the rest seems supported.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:26:33 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:26:33 -0400
Subject: Understanding LA files
In-Reply-To: <4134B18D.9070203-FlpYSvOe4acWeH+WijV1tNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <41349176.6030504@digitalfairway.com> <4134B18D.9070203@digitalfairway.com>
Message-ID: <20040901152633.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 01:12:45PM -0400, Chris Gow wrote:
> I attempted to check the Makefile but A) My make knowledge is pretty
> limited B) It is a Makefile generated by the configure script.
>
> I did a env | grep '/opt/gnome/lib' and the only entry I got back was
> PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/gnome/lib. Which I unset and then re-ran configure.
> I wound up getting the same error.
Did you wipe out config.cache to make sure it rechecked everything
rather than relying what it discovered last time?
gnome stuff should ususually find it's settings by calling gnome-config
--cflags or --libs or --prefix.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:28:32 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:28:32 -0400
Subject: selfhosted(live)CD question
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References: <20040901134828.249295751F@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: <20040901152832.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:38:52AM -0400, Bob Findlay wrote:
> With generous assistance from Steve Meyer (recent TLUG speaker) I have
> managed to create a selfhosted(live)CD for the SIMPL open source project
> which I facilitate (https://sourceforge.net/projects/simpl).
>
> At this stage this CD is intended as a learning aid for the SIMPL toolset.
>
> In an ideal world the user would pop the CD into the drive and boot off it.
> They would then insert their work floppy (or key) and have it mount to the
> filesystem transparently.
>
> Does anyone know a way to autodetect and mount a floppy upon insertion?
Get a mac or an amiga? Not sure if PC drives actually do that or not.
They have a disk detection signal, but have often ignored it. Maybe
supermount has some way to do it, although I have never used it.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:33:06 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:33:06 -0400
Subject: hello again - and a question about Rogers
In-Reply-To:
References: <1845971709.20040830113016@rogers.com> <41337B8B.8060405@interlog.com> <1895602348.20040830162354@rogers.com> <413397CB.3040303@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040901153306.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:56:14PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Really ? That's interesting. I see 100k real speed on a terayon cable
> modem (128 k connection). How much faster can one go ? Considering all the
> dumb arp traffic on the cable, I'd say you can't go faster. Of course I
> don't know about Rogers. Maybe they have more switches. It would be
> interesting to know how much speed one can gain by switching modems ?
I managed to transmit at I think 130KB/s on a terayon in Waterloo back
in 1999, on a brand new segment with 3 or 4 users on the entire segment.
Downloads often hit 300 to 340KB/s. Not sure what docsis actually
allows for up and downstream rates.
Needless to say I have never seen anything like those speeds on rogers
in Toronto. Shaw in Bolton was close, but when rogers took over the
speed just dropped (along with reliability). I haven't used rogers for
about 4 or 5 months now so i have no idea what may have changed since.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:51:36 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:51:36 -0400
Subject: installing firefox 0.9
In-Reply-To: <20040828045729.11810.qmail-YtQy2KcNWN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040827205339.GI19549@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040828045729.11810.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040901155136.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:57:29PM -0700, Mel Seder wrote:
> I'm using mail.yahoo.com as my mail program. I looked everywhere that seemed
> logical in mail options and couldn't find a way to send non HTML mail. If
> anyone can tell me how to NOT send HTML mail in mail.yahoo.com I'd be more than
> happy to send pure text only messages.
Well if yahoo.com can't do plain text messages, go use gmail. It only
does plain text messages.
Lennart Sorensen
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:46:20 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:46:20 -0400
Subject: hello again - and a question about Rogers
In-Reply-To: <20040901153306.GD8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1845971709.20040830113016@rogers.com> <41337B8B.8060405@interlog.com> <1895602348.20040830162354@rogers.com> <413397CB.3040303@rogers.com> <20040901153306.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:33:06 -0400, Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> I managed to transmit at I think 130KB/s on a terayon in Waterloo back
> in 1999, on a brand new segment with 3 or 4 users on the entire segment.
> Downloads often hit 300 to 340KB/s. Not sure what docsis actually
> allows for up and downstream rates.
>
> Needless to say I have never seen anything like those speeds on rogers
> in Toronto. Shaw in Bolton was close, but when rogers took over the
> speed just dropped (along with reliability). I haven't used rogers for
> about 4 or 5 months now so i have no idea what may have changed since.
A year ago my Rogers service was rated at 1.5Mbps, and I got about half of that.
Then last year they went and bumped a bunch of us up to 3Mbps, and now I get
half of that (i.e. what I was originally supposed to get). Maybe it's
my Terayon...
Back in Edmonton, our Videon (formerly Videotron) cablemodems weren't capped
at anything. One morning around 3am I managed to suck 800kBps from
sunsite.ualberta.ca (back before they put in a
4kBps-per-outside-connection throttle).
THAT was speed. (IIRC, ADSL tops out at 8Mbps, given perfect wires, but newer
DSL variants may go faster)
AFAIK it's technically possible for cablemodems in general to go
faster, since I'm
remembering something about the coax pipe running at 30Mbps; I've never
had solid proof that any modems have been made with more than a 10bT ethernet
MAC on them, though, meaning that you really do need at least 4 or so people on
a segment to even think about saturating it.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 15:54:45 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:54:45 -0400
Subject: installing firefox 0.9
In-Reply-To:
References: <20040828045729.11810.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> <4130F627.306@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040901155445.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 01:14:28AM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> How do you know ? You read it in Mozilla apparently. Web mail clients
> usually send it as multipart with plain text in the body + html attached
> afaik.
The better ones do. Some don't.
thunderbird has an option to send multipart (which is a good
compromise). outlook appers to be either bot not multipart. I have
only really used gmail for webmail and it does plain text only for now,
and I think when I have used squirelmail and imp and twig, they have
been plain text too.
Lennart Sorensen
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From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 17:35:52 2004
From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: installing firefox 0.9
In-Reply-To: <20040901155136.GE8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040901155136.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040901173552.99444.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com>
I guess my problem is that I want to go to mail.yahoo.com and have access to
all my outgoing and incoming mail there without having to fire up gmail to see
what mail I have sent. Any suggestions or ideas?
--- Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:57:29PM -0700, Mel Seder wrote:
> > I'm using mail.yahoo.com as my mail program. I looked everywhere that
> seemed
> > logical in mail options and couldn't find a way to send non HTML mail. If
> > anyone can tell me how to NOT send HTML mail in mail.yahoo.com I'd be more
> than
> > happy to send pure text only messages.
>
> Well if yahoo.com can't do plain text messages, go use gmail. It only
> does plain text messages.
>
> Lennart Sorensen
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If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
And if I am only for myself, what am I?
And if not now, when?
by: Hillel 100 BCE
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 01:06:37 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:06:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: selfhosted(live)CD question
In-Reply-To: <20040901134828.249295751F-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040901134828.249295751F@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Bob Findlay wrote:
> With generous assistance from Steve Meyer (recent TLUG speaker) I have
> managed to create a selfhosted(live)CD for the SIMPL open source project
> which I facilitate (https://sourceforge.net/projects/simpl).
>
> At this stage this CD is intended as a learning aid for the SIMPL toolset.
>
> In an ideal world the user would pop the CD into the drive and boot off it.
> They would then insert their work floppy (or key) and have it mount to the
> filesystem transparently.
>
> Does anyone know a way to autodetect and mount a floppy upon insertion?
Man hotpplug. Normally hotplug loads a driver. Under kde it also makes an
icon. Since it's a script, you can change it to also mount the media,
check for a magic piece of data that confirms that it's the right kind of
media contents and then execute a certain script or program on it.
Obviously this is a security problem once you publish it.
hope this helps,
Peter
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 18:55:51 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:55:51 -0400
Subject: installing firefox 0.9
In-Reply-To: <20040901173552.99444.qmail-fqrPblOl7K6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040901155136.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040901173552.99444.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040901185551.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:35:52AM -0700, Mel Seder wrote:
> I guess my problem is that I want to go to mail.yahoo.com and have access to
> all my outgoing and incoming mail there without having to fire up gmail to see
> what mail I have sent. Any suggestions or ideas?
gmail = google mail = a web mail system that doesn't suck.
Lennart Sorensen
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 1 19:39:18 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:39:18 -0400
Subject: installing firefox 0.9
In-Reply-To: <20040901185551.GG8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040901155136.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040901173552.99444.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com> <20040901185551.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:55:51 -0400, Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:35:52AM -0700, Mel Seder wrote:
> > I guess my problem is that I want to go to mail.yahoo.com and have access to
> > all my outgoing and incoming mail there without having to fire up gmail to see
> > what mail I have sent. Any suggestions or ideas?
>
> gmail = google mail = a web mail system that doesn't suck.
http://gmail.google.com
FYI, those of us with gmail addresses tend to have invites lying around.
But if you weren't looking for Yet Another Webmail address, it's
probably not for you.
:)
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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 04:08:11 2004
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:08:11 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
In-Reply-To: <015101c49053$d748bc10$7700000a@guru>
References: <413398E3.4040106@alteeve.com>
<20040831121502.BF62B6D99A@lethe.ss.org>
<20040831223524.6ba7943d.hgibson@eol.ca>
<015101c49053$d748bc10$7700000a@guru>
Message-ID: <20040902000811.7fcf48fa.hgibson@eol.ca>
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:45:23 -0400
"Hoshil Desai" wrote:
> Hi Howard,
>
> This is probably a very stupid question (that's why I am asking it off the
> list) but I could not get that script to work.
>
> I tried sh mkJPEGdir - It didn't work
>
> I tried chmod a+x mkJPEGdir followed by a ./mkJPEGdir and it didn't work.
>
> In both the cases I got some token not found error.
>
> Maybe I am doing something really wrong. I have other bash scripts which
> work without a hitch. If you could direct me in the right direction, I
> would appreciate it.
Hoshil,
I cc'ed the list on this because someone else may recognize it.
I am unable to reproduce your token not found error. I assume you have ImageMagick installed because renaming the convert command causes a command not found error. Retyping variables incorrectly causes them to contain no data. There is no explicit error message, although the output is messed up. Changing the command shell from sh to all sorts of other stuff often messed up, but not with the token not found error.
What happened when you typed ./mkJPEGdir on its own? If you give it anything other than three operators, you should get a usage message.
It is always possible that some kind of error crept in on your download. Try saving the file again.
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 08:16:10 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 04:16:10 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
Message-ID: <1094112970.6721.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Hi I'm trying to install the latest nvidia driver and can't seem to get
it to work. Below I've posted the results of the XF86config log as well
as XF86Config itself. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what is
wrong. I'm using Fedora 1 and a low latency kernel from Planet CCRMA.
Thanks
Jim
XFree86 Version 4.3.0 (Fedora Core 1: 4.3.0-55)
Release Date: 15 August 2003
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-9.ELsmp i686 [ELF]
Build Date: 12 February 2004
Build Host: bugs.devel.redhat.com
Before reporting any problems, please make sure you are using
the most
recent XFree86 packages available from Red Hat by checking for
updates
at http://rhn.redhat.com/errata or by using the Red Hat Network
up2date
tool. If you still encounter problems, please file bug reports
in the
XFree86.org bugzilla at http://bugs.xfree86.org and/or Red Hat
bugzilla at http://bugzilla.redhat.com
Module Loader present
OS Kernel: Linux version 2.4.26-1.ll.rhfc1.ccrma
(root-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob at public.gmane.org) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Red Hat Linux
3.2.3-6)) #1 Sat Apr 17 19:59:18 PDT 2004
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu Sep 2 01:14:00 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config"
(==) ServerLayout "Multihead layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) | |-->Device "Videocard0"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen1" (1)
(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor1"
(**) | |-->Device "Videocard1"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
(**) XKB: model: "pc105"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) |-->Input Device "DevInputMice"
(**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100"
(**) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(**) Option "Xinerama" "off"
(--) using VT number 7
(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device)
(II) Module ABI versions:
XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2
XFree86 Video Driver: 0.6
XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4
XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2
XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6
(II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1
(II) PCI: Config type is 1
(II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000
(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,3575 card 1179,ff00 rev 02 class 06,00,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,3576 card 0000,0000 rev 02 class 06,04,00
hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,2482 card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 0c,03,00
hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:1d:1: chip 8086,2484 card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 0c,03,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,2487 card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 0c,03,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,2448 card 0000,0000 rev 41 class 06,04,00
hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,248c card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00
hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,248a card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 01,01,8a
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,2483 card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 0c,05,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,2485 card 1179,ff00 rev 01 class 04,01,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:6: chip 8086,2486 card 1179,0001 rev 01 class 07,03,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10de,0112 card 1179,ff00 rev b2 class 03,00,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 02:00:0: chip 104c,8023 card 1179,ff00 rev 00 class 0c,00,10
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 02:01:0: chip 10ec,8139 card 1179,ff00 rev 10 class 02,00,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: 02:04:0: chip 104c,ac51 card 4000,0000 rev 00 class 06,07,00
hdr 82
(II) PCI: 02:04:1: chip 104c,ac51 card 4800,0000 rev 00 class 06,07,00
hdr 82
(II) PCI: 02:06:0: chip 1179,0804 card 1179,ff00 rev 02 class 08,80,00
hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,7), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
[0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x000c (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B]
(II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 2: bridge is at (0:30:0), (0,2,2), BCTRL: 0x0004 (VGA_EN is
cleared)
(II) Bus 2 I/O range:
[0] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[1] -1 0 0x00003400 - 0x000034ff (0x100) IX[B]
[2] -1 0 0x00003800 - 0x000038ff (0x100) IX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x00003c00 - 0x00003cff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) Bus 2 non-prefetchable memory range:
[0] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd20fffff (0x100000) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
(II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:31:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is
set)
(II) PCI-to-CardBus bridge:
(II) Bus 3: bridge is at (2:4:0), (2,3,6), BCTRL: 0x05c0 (VGA_EN is
cleared)
(II) PCI-to-CardBus bridge:
(II) Bus 7: bridge is at (2:4:1), (2,7,10), BCTRL: 0x05c0 (VGA_EN is
cleared)
(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 Go] rev 178, Mem @
0xd1000000/24, 0xf0000000/27
(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
[0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
[1] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges:
[0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
[1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
[6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xe0000000 from 0xefffffff to
0xdfffffff
(II) Active PCI resource ranges:
[0] -1 0 0xd2004c00 - 0xd2004c1f (0x20) MX[B]
[1] -1 0 0xd2004800 - 0xd20048ff (0x100) MX[B]
[2] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd2003fff (0x4000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0xd2004000 - 0xd20047ff (0x800) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xd00003ff (0x400) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
[6] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
[7] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
[8] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[9] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000207f (0x80) IX[B]
[10] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B]
[11] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B]
[12] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B]
[13] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B]
[14] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B]
[15] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
[16] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x00000170 (0x1) IX[B]
[17] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
[18] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001f0 (0x1) IX[B]
[19] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B]
[20] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B]
[21] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
[0] -1 0 0xd2004c00 - 0xd2004c1f (0x20) MX[B]
[1] -1 0 0xd2004800 - 0xd20048ff (0x100) MX[B]
[2] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd2003fff (0x4000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0xd2004000 - 0xd20047ff (0x800) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xd00003ff (0x400) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
[6] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
[7] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
[8] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[9] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000207f (0x80) IX[B]
[10] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B]
[11] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B]
[12] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B]
[13] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B]
[14] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B]
[15] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
[16] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x00000170 (0x1) IX[B]
[17] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
[18] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001f0 (0x1) IX[B]
[19] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B]
[20] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B]
[21] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI:
[0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
[1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
[6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) All system resource ranges:
[0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
[1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0xd2004c00 - 0xd2004c1f (0x20) MX[B]
[6] -1 0 0xd2004800 - 0xd20048ff (0x100) MX[B]
[7] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd2003fff (0x4000) MX[B]
[8] -1 0 0xd2004000 - 0xd20047ff (0x800) MX[B]
[9] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xd00003ff (0x400) MX[B]
[10] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
[11] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
[12] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
[13] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
[14] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
[15] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[16] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000207f (0x80) IX[B]
[17] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B]
[18] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B]
[19] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B]
[20] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B]
[21] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B]
[22] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
[23] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x00000170 (0x1) IX[B]
[24] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
[25] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001f0 (0x1) IX[B]
[26] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B]
[27] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B]
[28] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a
(II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Server Extension
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a
(II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 Server Extension
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension SHAPE
(II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
(II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Loading extension SYNC
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XC-MISC
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension FontCache
(II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
(II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libfbdevhw.a
(II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.0.2
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.6111
Module class: XFree86 Server Extension
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a
(II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.13.0
Module class: XFree86 Server Extension
ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "freetype"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a
(II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 2.0.2
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font FreeType
(II) LoadModule: "type1"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a
(II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.2
Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Type1
(II) Loading font CID
(II) LoadModule: "v4l"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/linux/v4l_drv.o
(II) Module v4l: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.0.1
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6
(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.6111
Module class: XFree86 Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
(II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver
ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.4
(II) v4l driver for Video4Linux
(II) NVIDIA X Driver 1.0-6111 Tue Jul 27 07:56:22 PDT 2004
(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all NVIDIA GPUs
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
(--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found
(II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
[0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
[1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0xd2004c00 - 0xd2004c1f (0x20) MX[B]
[6] -1 0 0xd2004800 - 0xd20048ff (0x100) MX[B]
[7] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd2003fff (0x4000) MX[B]
[8] -1 0 0xd2004000 - 0xd20047ff (0x800) MX[B]
[9] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xd00003ff (0x400) MX[B]
[10] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
[11] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
[12] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
[13] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
[14] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
[15] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[16] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000207f (0x80) IX[B]
[17] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B]
[18] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B]
[19] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B]
[20] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B]
[21] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B]
[22] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
[23] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x00000170 (0x1) IX[B]
[24] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
[25] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001f0 (0x1) IX[B]
[26] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B]
[27] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B]
[28] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) resource ranges after probing:
[0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
[1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
[2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
[3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
[4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
[5] -1 0 0xd2004c00 - 0xd2004c1f (0x20) MX[B]
[6] -1 0 0xd2004800 - 0xd20048ff (0x100) MX[B]
[7] -1 0 0xd2000000 - 0xd2003fff (0x4000) MX[B]
[8] -1 0 0xd2004000 - 0xd20047ff (0x800) MX[B]
[9] -1 0 0xd0000000 - 0xd00003ff (0x400) MX[B]
[10] -1 0 0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
[11] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
[12] -1 0 0xd1000000 - 0xd1ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
[13] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
[14] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
[15] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
[16] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
[17] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
[18] -1 0 0x00003000 - 0x000030ff (0x100) IX[B]
[19] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x0000207f (0x80) IX[B]
[20] -1 0 0x00002400 - 0x000024ff (0x100) IX[B]
[21] -1 0 0x000018c0 - 0x000018ff (0x40) IX[B]
[22] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001cff (0x100) IX[B]
[23] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x0000189f (0x20) IX[B]
[24] -1 0 0x00001860 - 0x0000186f (0x10) IX[B]
[25] -1 0 0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
[26] -1 0 0x00000170 - 0x00000170 (0x1) IX[B]
[27] -1 0 0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
[28] -1 0 0x000001f0 - 0x000001f0 (0x1) IX[B]
[29] -1 0 0x00001840 - 0x0000185f (0x20) IX[B]
[30] -1 0 0x00001820 - 0x0000183f (0x20) IX[B]
[31] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000181f (0x20) IX[B]
[32] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
[33] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
(II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a
(II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.3.0, module version = 0.1.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.6
(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 16, (--) framebuffer bpp 16
(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 565
(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xF0000000
(--) NVIDIA(0): MMIO registers at 0xD1000000
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU detected as: GeForce2 Go
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 03.11.01.38.12
(--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are not supported on this GPU
(II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 4X
Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol xf86XvMCDestroyAdaptorRec from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbPictureInit from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbValidateGC from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbGCPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbCreateGC from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbCreateWindow from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol fbCloseScreen from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol xf86XvMCCreateAdaptorRec from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
*** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
*** be the reason for the server aborting.
Fatal server error:
Caught signal 7. Server aborting
_____________________________________________________________
XF86Config follows
# XFree86 4 configuration created by redhat-config-xfree86
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Multihead layout"
Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1"
Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "DevInputMice" "AlwaysCore"
Option "Xinerama" "off"
# Option "Clone" "on"
EndSection
Section "Files"
# RgbPath is the location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name
of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally
# no need to change the default.
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
# By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
# the X server to render fonts.
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath "unix/:7100"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "dbe"
Load "extmod"
# Load "fbdevhw"
Load "glx"
# Load "record"
Load "freetype"
Load "type1"
# Load "v4l"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
# Option "Xleds" "1 2 3"
# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
# Option "XkbDisable"
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
# Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
# Option "XkbModel" "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# or:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps"
# Or if you just want both to be control, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
#
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "PS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
# If the normal CorePointer mouse is not a USB mouse then
# this input device can be used in AlwaysCore mode to let you
# also use USB mice at the same time.
Identifier "DevInputMice"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "LCD Panel 1024x768"
HorizSync 31.5 - 48.5
VertRefresh 40.0 - 70.0
Option "dpms"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor1"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor 1024x768"
HorizSync 31.5 - 57.0
VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0
Option "dpms"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
# Driver "nv"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "Videocard vendor"
BoardName "nVidia GeForce 2 Go"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard1"
# Driver "nv"
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "Videocard Vendor"
BoardName "nVidia GeForce 2 Go"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Videocard0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen1"
Device "Videocard1"
Monitor "Monitor1"
DefaultDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Group 0
Mode 0666
EndSection
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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:17:23 2004
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:17:23 -0400
Subject: Problems with PROMISE Card in Linux
In-Reply-To: <1093833160.1172.6.camel@gandalf>
References: <1093833160.1172.6.camel@gandalf>
Message-ID: <20040902091723.4e40efbd.hgibson@eol.ca>
On 29 Aug 2004 22:32:40 -0400
Paul King wrote:
> I have a PROMISE card which has some unformatted LINUX partitions and
> some Windows partitions. It detects under Windows, but is only detected
> by the kernel under LINUX.
Paul,
I had problems with my Promise card too. What follows are my personal notes on setting up my Promise card.
_________________________________________________________
Setting up the Promise Card
There are no instructions on the Promise website on setting up
an Ultra100TX2 card for Linux. I emailed their support about
this, and they sent me a document, in Word format, of course.
This covered the setup of Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0.
1. Boot Red Hat from the CD.
2. When the graphical installer comes up, hit [Ctrl][Alt][F2]
to get into a virtual terminal.
3. From the terminal, type "cat /proc/pci | less".
4. They describe the sequence you are supposed to find. I
found the following, copied labouriously from the
screen...
Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
Class 0180: PCI device 105a:4d69 (rev 2).
IRQ 11.
Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=18.
I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807]
I/O at 0xb400 [0xb403]
I/O at 0xb000 [0xb007]
I/O at 0xa800 [0xa803]
I/O at 0xa400 [0xa40f]
Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd5000000 [0xd5003fff]
Write down the first four values, starting from 0xb800 in
this example. The "0x" indicates that the value is in
hexadecimal format. The remaining four digits are the
hexadecimal number.
5. The next thing I was to do was to type in...
ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
Note how I added 2 to the second and fourth values that I
pulled off the previous output.
6. Reboot. I could not find a (re)boot commmand, so I hit
reset.
7. When the boot prompt comes up type...
boot: linux ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
The Promise instructions said to use the word "text", but
I used "linux" instead. The word "linux" selects the
standard graphic install. The word "text" causes a plain
text install.
8. The instructions describe how to configure LILO to use
these boot parameters. On Red Hat 8, we are using GRUB. We
will get those parameters in somehow.
_________________________________________________________
When I booted Red Hat 8.0, it (something) found the Promise card. Anaconda did not find it. Here are my boot loader notes.
_________________________________________________________
Boot Loader
I agreed to a boot loader on /dev/hde1. I have entered a boot
loader password, and I clicked the "Configure advanced boot
loader" button. This is my chance to enter the Promise card
values into the boot line, automatically.
The next thing it asked me for were the boot loader
parameters. I entered my Promise card boot string.
_________________________________________________________
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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:26:33 2004
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:26:33 -0400
Subject: Dead circuit boards needed
Message-ID: <20040902092633.A3164@ee.ryerson.ca>
I'd like to have my engineering students do an exercise in desoldering and
resoldering some surface mount chips. I'm hoping that someone has a source
or knows of a source of dead circuit boards that could be used to practice
on. Earlier this year we had lots of them at Ryerson but our department has
just moved into a new building so there was a purge of the 'junk'. (This
illustrates one of the corrolaries of the Law of Maximum Aggravation:
Immediately you dispose of something it will become useful.)
I'm going to focus on the low-pin-count IC's rather than the hundred pin
monsters, but most boards have mix. Any suggestions where I should look?
Thanks -
Peter
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:33:14 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:33:14 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
In-Reply-To: <1094112970.6721.11.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094112970.6721.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040902133314.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:16:10AM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> Hi I'm trying to install the latest nvidia driver and can't seem to get
> it to work. Below I've posted the results of the XF86config log as well
> as XF86Config itself. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what is
> wrong. I'm using Fedora 1 and a low latency kernel from Planet CCRMA.
> Thanks
> Jim
>
[snip]
> (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU detected as: GeForce2 Go
> (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 03.11.01.38.12
> (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are not supported on this GPU
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 4X
> Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol xf86XvMCDestroyAdaptorRec from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbPictureInit from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbValidateGC from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbGCPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbCreateGC from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbCreateWindow from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbWinPrivateIndex from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol fbCloseScreen from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol xf86XvMCCreateAdaptorRec from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
>
> *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
> *** be the reason for the server aborting.
>
> Fatal server error:
> Caught signal 7. Server aborting
[snip]
Well it looks like the kernel module doesn't have everything the X
driver wants. Is the kernel module the same version as the driver (6111
in this case I guess)? Bad things happen if they don't match.
I have 6111 working just fine on 2.6.7 on Debian, so the driver is
capable of working at least. I did use the Debian installer for it
though, not nvidia's installer.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:36:33 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:36:33 -0400
Subject: Problems with PROMISE Card in Linux
In-Reply-To: <20040902091723.4e40efbd.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org>
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:17:23AM -0400, Howard Gibson wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2004 22:32:40 -0400
> Paul King wrote:
>
> > I have a PROMISE card which has some unformatted LINUX partitions and
> > some Windows partitions. It detects under Windows, but is only detected
> > by the kernel under LINUX.
>
> Paul,
>
> I had problems with my Promise card too. What follows are my personal notes on setting up my Promise card.
> _________________________________________________________
>
> Setting up the Promise Card
>
> There are no instructions on the Promise website on setting up
> an Ultra100TX2 card for Linux. I emailed their support about
> this, and they sent me a document, in Word format, of course.
> This covered the setup of Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0.
> 1. Boot Red Hat from the CD.
> 2. When the graphical installer comes up, hit [Ctrl][Alt][F2]
> to get into a virtual terminal.
> 3. From the terminal, type "cat /proc/pci | less".
> 4. They describe the sequence you are supposed to find. I
> found the following, copied labouriously from the
> screen...
>
> Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
> Class 0180: PCI device 105a:4d69 (rev 2).
> IRQ 11.
> Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=18.
> I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807]
> I/O at 0xb400 [0xb403]
> I/O at 0xb000 [0xb007]
> I/O at 0xa800 [0xa803]
> I/O at 0xa400 [0xa40f]
> Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd5000000 [0xd5003fff]
>
>
> Write down the first four values, starting from 0xb800 in
> this example. The "0x" indicates that the value is in
> hexadecimal format. The remaining four digits are the
> hexadecimal number.
> 5. The next thing I was to do was to type in...
>
> ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
>
>
> Note how I added 2 to the second and fourth values that I
> pulled off the previous output.
> 6. Reboot. I could not find a (re)boot commmand, so I hit
> reset.
> 7. When the boot prompt comes up type...
>
> boot: linux ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
>
>
> The Promise instructions said to use the word "text", but
> I used "linux" instead. The word "linux" selects the
> standard graphic install. The word "text" causes a plain
> text install.
> 8. The instructions describe how to configure LILO to use
> these boot parameters. On Red Hat 8, we are using GRUB. We
> will get those parameters in somehow.
> _________________________________________________________
>
> When I booted Red Hat 8.0, it (something) found the Promise card. Anaconda did not find it. Here are my boot loader notes.
>
> _________________________________________________________
>
> Boot Loader
>
> I agreed to a boot loader on /dev/hde1. I have entered a boot
> loader password, and I clicked the "Configure advanced boot
> loader" button. This is my chance to enter the Promise card
> values into the boot line, automatically.
>
> The next thing it asked me for were the boot loader
> parameters. I entered my Promise card boot string.
> _________________________________________________________
Well any newer linux kernel supports that chip just fine, and kernels
that are older simply do not. The hack to force it to use it as a plain
ide chip is just a bad idea, so forget about those parameters, and just
get something with a kernel from the last 2 years and you should be
fine. Don't try to use a very obsolete distribution, since it won't
support it well if at all. All newer distribution releases (all current
ones for that matter) will work just fine.
Lennart Sorensen
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From f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:50:21 2004
From: f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andy Jack)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:50:21 -0400
Subject: Dead circuit boards needed
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References: <20040902092633.A3164@ee.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <20040902135021.GA2599@seahorse>
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:26:33AM -0400, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
> I'd like to have my engineering students do an exercise in desoldering and
> resoldering some surface mount chips. I'm hoping that someone has a source
> or knows of a source of dead circuit boards that could be used to practice
> on. Earlier this year we had lots of them at Ryerson but our department has
> just moved into a new building so there was a purge of the 'junk'. (This
> illustrates one of the corrolaries of the Law of Maximum Aggravation:
> Immediately you dispose of something it will become useful.)
Hi Peter; I don't know if you're hoping for "dead + free" or "possibly
dead + cheap" boards, but the last time I went to Active Surplus on
Queen they still had boxes upon boxes of WD8013 ISA NICs. This was
prior to their reno, so the boxes might not be in the basement anymore.
The nics are sufficiently old that all the functionality isn't squashed
into a single chip, and there's always the nice big PROM socket to work
on. Plus the boards are small and easy to handle. I'd not be surprised
if you went to the cash with a big box of 'em you could get a nice bulk
discount ;-).
Cheers,
Andy
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 13:40:50 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:40:50 -0400
Subject: Dead circuit boards needed
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On September 2, 2004 09:26 am, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
> I'm going to focus on the low-pin-count IC's rather than the hundred pin
> monsters, but most boards have mix. Any suggestions where I should look?
It might be worth checking a place like Above All Electronics, they sell junk
boards very cheaply. It's quite likely that they also have all kinds of
things that aren't even worthy of a $2-$5 price tag and just end up getting
tossed, they might be willing to give you stuff rather than having to pay for
disposal.
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 14:22:15 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:22:15 -0400
Subject: major hard drive problems!
Message-ID: <4386c5b2040902072268ea3c55@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all,
I recently reinstalled fedora core 2 on a Dell laptop. It was working
fine prior to the reinstall, but after the install completed, I was
given error message similar to the following:
First, during the boot process...
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 00:07.1
Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers.
a bit later in the startup process, the startup is halted as fsck is
run on the startup volume, with a segmentation fault. In dmesg, the
following hints:
general protection fault: ea38
CPU: 0
EIP: 0050:[<00003319>] Not tainted
EFLAGS: 00210046
eax: 00000246 ebx: 00000001 ecx: 00000000 edx: 00000000
esi: 000000ff edi: 00200014 ebp: c260bea0 esp: c260be98
ds: 0058 es: 0000 ss: 0018
Process fsck.ext2 (pid: 3254, stackpage=c260b000)
Stack: 5c0f5a94 0000bea0 00000058 00ff0246 beb40050 00000001 530a0000 00200216
00485c5f c8af0000 ffffffff d0be9126 00000010 ffffffff 00200246 00000018
00200018 c260bf66 000000ff ffffffff ffffffff 002341e3 00000003 ffffffff
Call Trace: [] [] [] [] []
[] [] [] []
Code: Bad EIP value.
Now, I can mount the drives no problem when I use a rescue disk, but I
can't startup from this hard drive! Please help. :-)
Thanks,
Aaron.
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From hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 14:27:54 2004
From: hoshildesai-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Hoshil N. Desai)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:27:54 -0400
Subject: Shrinking Images
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I finally got the script to work. I had to remove all the error checking
(the if-else) and that did it. With the if-else statements in place I was
getting the following two errors:
mkJPEGdir: line 18: syntax error near unexpected token `elif'
'kJPEGdir: line 18: `elif [ ! -d "${JPEGdir}" ]; then
I thought I was introducing some extra characters while downloading so I
tried
wget http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/mkJPEGdir
Thus making sure I was not adding anything to the original file. But still
the errors persisted.
Anyways, I got it to work without the if-else and it saved me downloading
and configuring one of the image galleries.
Thanks for the script Howard.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Howard
Gibson
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:08 AM
To: Hoshil Desai
Cc: Toronto Linux User's Group
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Shrinking Images
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:45:23 -0400
"Hoshil Desai" wrote:
> Hi Howard,
>
> This is probably a very stupid question (that's why I am asking it off the
> list) but I could not get that script to work.
>
> I tried sh mkJPEGdir - It didn't work
>
> I tried chmod a+x mkJPEGdir followed by a ./mkJPEGdir and it didn't work.
>
> In both the cases I got some token not found error.
>
> Maybe I am doing something really wrong. I have other bash scripts which
> work without a hitch. If you could direct me in the right direction, I
> would appreciate it.
Hoshil,
I cc'ed the list on this because someone else may recognize it.
I am unable to reproduce your token not found error. I assume you have
ImageMagick installed because renaming the convert command causes a command
not found error. Retyping variables incorrectly causes them to contain no
data. There is no explicit error message, although the output is messed up.
Changing the command shell from sh to all sorts of other stuff often messed
up, but not with the token not found error.
What happened when you typed ./mkJPEGdir on its own? If you give it
anything other than three operators, you should get a usage message.
It is always possible that some kind of error crept in on your download.
Try saving the file again.
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From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 15:15:21 2004
From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:15:21 -0600
Subject: hello again - and a question about Rogers
In-Reply-To:
References: <1845971709.20040830113016@rogers.com> <41337B8B.8060405@interlog.com> <1895602348.20040830162354@rogers.com> <413397CB.3040303@rogers.com> <20040901153306.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:46:20 -0400, The Edge of the Ice
wrote:
> AFAIK it's technically possible for cablemodems in general to go
> faster, since I'm
> remembering something about the coax pipe running at 30Mbps; I've never
> had solid proof that any modems have been made with more than a 10bT ethernet
AFAIK cable modems cant support more than 10mbps because it is a
csma-cd shared medium over which they transmit. For 100mbps, the
number of collisions would be too high on shared medium. (thats why
you have switched ethernet now). To run 100mbps, they would need to
provide a dedicated channel to each household all the way to the
switch. And at 4.7mhz per channel, they will need a lot more cable
switches.
>
> --
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>
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 15:21:27 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:21:27 -0400
Subject: hello again - and a question about Rogers
In-Reply-To: <7aa37fa80409020815d76bd18-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1845971709.20040830113016@rogers.com> <41337B8B.8060405@interlog.com> <1895602348.20040830162354@rogers.com> <413397CB.3040303@rogers.com> <20040901153306.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <7aa37fa80409020815d76bd18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:15:21 -0600, Adil Kodian wrote:
> AFAIK cable modems cant support more than 10mbps because it is a
> csma-cd shared medium over which they transmit. For 100mbps, the
> number of collisions would be too high on shared medium. (thats why
> you have switched ethernet now). To run 100mbps, they would need to
> provide a dedicated channel to each household all the way to the
> switch. And at 4.7mhz per channel, they will need a lot more cable
> switches.
Ah, but I'm not talking transmit speed, only download-to-the-cablemodem speed.
There's no issue with collisions on the down pipe, since it's all
being transmitted
from one central place (the CO). The upstream pipes have always been smaller
(768kbps on the old uncapped modems).
And back in that day, cablemodems really WERE fast, because so few people
had them, and so few people were online. It's funny to think that
they've actually gotten slower in some ways... ;)
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From skrishnan-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:08:47 2004
From: skrishnan-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Srinivasan Krishnan)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:08:47 -0400
Subject: [Employment] Entry level Linux job
Message-ID: <1094148527.1138.9.camel@ambipapa>
Farematrix Inc. is looking for an entry level Linux programmer and
system administrator with Perl, C and basic Linux and Windows
administration skills. If interested, please send a copy of your resume
to krishnan-iZsVJbH0xwRN8Ch2cx6nig at public.gmane.org, in text, PS or PDF format.
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:31:30 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:31:30 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
Message-ID: <20040902183239.506B06D784@lethe.ss.org>
Howdy all,
Can anyone recommend a very small motherboard for a project I am working on?
A client wants me to build a tiny self standing system in a very small case.
Something like the Bubba keg computer. Doesn't have to be AMD or Intel, Via
is fine for what I need. Bottom line, small and cheap :)
I was recently in the US for a couple weeks working at a client's, and on
the way to and from the hotel I left my laptop on war driving. In both
Boston and NYC, the thing lit up like Christmas. In Cambridge alone, I got
close to 100 on one street near Harvard Square, the number of access points
was really astounding. I found myself parking on side streets and getting
amazing leech access, good to get a couple tunes to listen to while stuck in
traffic or while lost (thank goodness for GPS)
Sid
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From steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:35:27 2004
From: steven.meyer-bdq14YP6qtRg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (steven meyer)
Date: 02 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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Message-ID: <1094150126.2619.1.camel@XANDROS>
How small and how cheap? I may be able to help.
Steven
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 14:31, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Howdy all,
>
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a very small motherboard for a project I am
> working on? A client wants me to build a tiny self standing system in
> a very small case. Something like the Bubba keg computer. Doesn?t have
> to be AMD or Intel, Via is fine for what I need. Bottom line, small
> and cheap :)
>
>
>
> I was recently in the US for a couple weeks working at a client?s, and
> on the way to and from the hotel I left my laptop on war driving. In
> both Boston and NYC, the thing lit up like Christmas. In Cambridge
> alone, I got close to 100 on one street near Harvard Square, the
> number of access points was really astounding. I found myself parking
> on side streets and getting amazing leech access, good to get a couple
> tunes to listen to while stuck in traffic or while lost (thank
> goodness for GPS)
>
>
>
> Sid
>
>
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:41:48 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:41:48 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
In-Reply-To: <20040902133314.GH8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094112970.6721.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040902133314.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1094150507.7888.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:16:10AM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> > Hi I'm trying to install the latest nvidia driver and can't seem to get
> > it to work. Below I've posted the results of the XF86config log as well
> > as XF86Config itself. Can anyone give me any suggestions as to what is
> > wrong. I'm using Fedora 1 and a low latency kernel from Planet CCRMA.
> > Thanks
> > Jim
> >
> [snip]
> [snip]
>
> Well it looks like the kernel module doesn't have everything the X
> driver wants. Is the kernel module the same version as the driver (6111
> in this case I guess)? Bad things happen if they don't match.
>
> I have 6111 working just fine on 2.6.7 on Debian, so the driver is
> capable of working at least. I did use the Debian installer for it
> though, not nvidia's installer.
Thanks Lennart,
I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
Load "fb"
in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
possible to see your XF86Config file?
Symbol xf86XvMCDestroyAdaptorRec from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
Symbol xf86XvMCCreateAdaptorRec from module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
*** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
*** be the reason for the server aborting.
This is what I have on my system
Here is what I have in /usr/X11R6/lib/ What am I missing??
[jim at localhost lib]$ ls libXv*
libXv.a libXvMCNVIDIA.a libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111 libXv.so.1
libXvMC.a libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 libXv.so
Jim
>
> Lennart Sorensen
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 18:45:40 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:45:40 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
In-Reply-To: <1094150126.2619.1.camel@XANDROS>
References: <1094150126.2619.1.camel@XANDROS>
Message-ID: <20040902184615.61E726D270@lethe.ss.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of steven
> meyer
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:35 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
>
> How small and how cheap? I may be able to help.
>
> Steven
Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and build
into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
Sid
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:07:50 2004
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:07:50 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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| Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
| fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
build
| into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
http://www.mini-itx.com/
A local supplier that was showing mini-itx stuff at the linux expo this
summer is CompuSmart:
151 Yonge St
416-504-6444
www.torontocomputsmart.com
Personally, I'd be interested in one of these if it had at least 3
ethernet ports, wlan, dual (preferably hotswap) hdd, a slim-dvd burner,
rack mountable 1U form factor and was really nice and quite.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:08:21 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:08:21 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:45:40PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
> fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and build
> into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
For that price, why not find an old laptop (pentium cpu level) and plop
a pcmcia card in that?
That gives you nice screen, keyboard, pcmcia, power, etc, all in one
convinient package.
Something like a thinkpad 560 or something might be a good size. Less
fun than building from scratch though I must admit, but more productive.
:)
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:42:27 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:42:27 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:41:48PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> Thanks Lennart,
> I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
> Load "fb"
> in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
> possible to see your XF86Config file?
>
>
> Symbol xf86XvMCDestroyAdaptorRec from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> Symbol xf86XvMCCreateAdaptorRec from module
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
>
> *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
> *** be the reason for the server aborting.
>
>
>
> This is what I have on my system
>
> Here is what I have in /usr/X11R6/lib/ What am I missing??
> [jim at localhost lib]$ ls libXv*
> libXv.a libXvMCNVIDIA.a libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111 libXv.so.1
> libXvMC.a libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 libXv.so
---XF86Config-4 START---
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following commands as root:
#
# cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
Section "Files"
FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection
Section "Module"
Load "GLcore"
Load "bitmap"
Load "dbe"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "record"
Load "speedo"
Load "type1"
Load "vbe"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
Driver "nvidia"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Samsung 753DF"
HorizSync 30-70
VertRefresh 50-160
Option "DPMS"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
Monitor "Samsung 753DF"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection
Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection
---XF86Config-4 END---
libXv*:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12582 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jun 17 12:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so ->
libXv.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 17 12:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1 ->
libXv.so.1.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14828 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7560 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMC.a
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179066 Aug 5 17:09
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 23 09:31
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 165632 Aug 5 17:09
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 23 09:31
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7560 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMC_pic.a
Does any of that give you any ideas?
Lennart Sorensen
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:42:35 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:42:35 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Lennart
> Sorensen
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:08 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:45:40PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> > Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
> > fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
> build
> > into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
>
> For that price, why not find an old laptop (pentium cpu level) and plop
> a pcmcia card in that?
>
> That gives you nice screen, keyboard, pcmcia, power, etc, all in one
> convinient package.
>
> Something like a thinkpad 560 or something might be a good size. Less
> fun than building from scratch though I must admit, but more productive.
> :)
>
> Lennart Sorensen
I am looking for something smaller than a laptop. I want to have the
versatility to mod it into an interesting case.
Sid
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:44:33 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:44:33 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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>
> | Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
> | fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
> build
> | into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
>
> http://www.mini-itx.com/
>
> A local supplier that was showing mini-itx stuff at the linux expo this
> summer is CompuSmart:
>
> 151 Yonge St
> 416-504-6444
> www.torontocomputsmart.com
>
Thank you Andrew! This is perfect, just what I was looking for.
Sid
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From fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 2 19:55:51 2004
From: fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (george fiala)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:55:51 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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Before you go there, check out www.factorydirect.ca, they have a better
selection and from the looks of it, could have better prices.
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:44, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > | Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
> > | fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
> > build
> > | into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
> >
> > http://www.mini-itx.com/
> >
> > A local supplier that was showing mini-itx stuff at the linux expo this
> > summer is CompuSmart:
> >
> > 151 Yonge St
> > 416-504-6444
> > www.torontocomputsmart.com
> >
>
> Thank you Andrew! This is perfect, just what I was looking for.
>
> Sid
>
>
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From: linkbayan-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Alwin Raymundo)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:40:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Gmail
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Hi Guys,
I'm interested to get gmail. If someone can invite me. I appreciated so much.
Thanks in Advance.
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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:16:55 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:40:06PM -0400, Alwin Raymundo wrote:
> I'm interested to get gmail. If someone can invite me. I appreciated so much.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
Are you drowning yet?
If not I have 6 invites waiting. :)
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From linkbayan-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 00:49:35 2004
From: linkbayan-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Alwin Raymundo)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:49:35 -0400 (EDT)
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Not yet.
But Sergio Salvi invite so I already have an account. Thanks to everybody.
Alwin Raymundo
Lennart Sorensen wrote:
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:40:06PM -0400, Alwin Raymundo wrote:
> I'm interested to get gmail. If someone can invite me. I appreciated so much.
>
> Thanks in Advance.
Are you drowning yet?
If not I have 6 invites waiting. :)
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From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:38:30 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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This is cool to see. I work for CompuSmart Toronto and I didn't know
they were at the Linux Expo!
If you know what board you want, email me off line and I might be able
to get it in for you.
Jay
hoeffer at sympatico.ca
Sidney Shapiro wrote:
>>| Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anything
>>| fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
>>build
>>| into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
>>
>>http://www.mini-itx.com/
>>
>>A local supplier that was showing mini-itx stuff at the linux expo this
>>summer is CompuSmart:
>>
>>151 Yonge St
>>416-504-6444
>>www.torontocomputsmart.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thank you Andrew! This is perfect, just what I was looking for.
>
>Sid
>
>
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 02:59:54 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:59:54 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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> On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 15:44, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
>
> > >
> > > | Not sure how cheap, I was thinking about $500-$600 I don't need anythin
g
> > > | fancy, just small and functional. I wanted something small to try and
> > > build
> > > | into a small modded case; sacrificing speed for space is fine.
> > >
> > > http://www.mini-itx.com/
> > >
> > > A local supplier that was showing mini-itx stuff at the linux expo this
> > > summer is CompuSmart:
> > >
> > > 151 Yonge St
> > > 416-504-6444
> > > www.torontocomputsmart.com
> Before you go there, check out www.factorydirect.ca, they have a
> better selection and from the looks of it, could have better prices.
I don't see any Mini-ITX hardware at either site.
The only places I have seen Mini-ITX stuff have been rather pricey.
Canada Computers has plenty of Mini-ATX hardware that's not _quite_ as
small, but that is probably cheaper.
I wish there more vendors around carrying VIA Eden/Nehemiah hardware,
but it hasn't caught on well enough.
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From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 04:02:38 2004
From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:02:38 -0500
Subject: Problems with PROMISE Card in Linux
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Thanks for your help. I will try this out. Looks like it could also be
something to place under /etc/lilo.conf.
Paul King
> On 29 Aug 2004 22:32:40 -0400
> Paul King wrote:
>
> > I have a PROMISE card which has some unformatted LINUX partitions and
> > some Windows partitions. It detects under Windows, but is only detected
> > by the kernel under LINUX.
>
> Paul,
>
> I had problems with my Promise card too. What follows are my personal notes
> on setting up my Promise card.
> _________________________________________________________
>
> Setting up the Promise Card
>
> There are no instructions on the Promise website on setting up
> an Ultra100TX2 card for Linux. I emailed their support about
> this, and they sent me a document, in Word format, of course.
> This covered the setup of Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0.
> 1. Boot Red Hat from the CD.
> 2. When the graphical installer comes up, hit [Ctrl][Alt][F2]
> to get into a virtual terminal.
> 3. From the terminal, type "cat /proc/pci | less".
> 4. They describe the sequence you are supposed to find. I
> found the following, copied labouriously from the
> screen...
>
> Bus 0, device 12, function 0:
> Class 0180: PCI device 105a:4d69 (rev 2).
> IRQ 11.
> Master Capable. No bursts. Min Gnt=4.Max Lat=18.
> I/O at 0xb800 [0xb807]
> I/O at 0xb400 [0xb403]
> I/O at 0xb000 [0xb007]
> I/O at 0xa800 [0xa803]
> I/O at 0xa400 [0xa40f]
> Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd5000000 [0xd5003fff]
>
>
> Write down the first four values, starting from 0xb800 in
> this example. The "0x" indicates that the value is in
> hexadecimal format. The remaining four digits are the
> hexadecimal number.
> 5. The next thing I was to do was to type in...
>
> ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
>
>
> Note how I added 2 to the second and fourth values that I
> pulled off the previous output.
> 6. Reboot. I could not find a (re)boot commmand, so I hit
> reset.
> 7. When the boot prompt comes up type...
>
> boot: linux ide2=0xb800,0xb402 ide3=0xb000,0xa802
>
>
> The Promise instructions said to use the word "text", but
> I used "linux" instead. The word "linux" selects the
> standard graphic install. The word "text" causes a plain
> text install.
> 8. The instructions describe how to configure LILO to use
> these boot parameters. On Red Hat 8, we are using GRUB. We
> will get those parameters in somehow.
> _________________________________________________________
>
> When I booted Red Hat 8.0, it (something) found the Promise card. Anaconda
> did not find it. Here are my boot loader notes.
>
> _________________________________________________________
>
> Boot Loader
>
> I agreed to a boot loader on /dev/hde1. I have entered a boot
> loader password, and I clicked the "Configure advanced boot
> loader" button. This is my chance to enter the Promise card
> values into the boot line, automatically.
>
> The next thing it asked me for were the boot loader
> parameters. I entered my Promise card boot string.
> _________________________________________________________
>
>
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 07:48:38 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 03:48:38 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
In-Reply-To: <20040902194227.GK8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094112970.6721.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040902133314.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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<20040902194227.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040903034838.3f7e1a00@pingu.opus>
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:42:27 -0400
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:41:48PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> > Thanks Lennart,
> > I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
> > Load "fb"
> > in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
> > possible to see your XF86Config file?
> >
> >
> # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> Section "Files"
> FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
> # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
> EndSection
> Section "Module"
My latest info states that Load "Glcore" should be removed as well as Load "dri". Check the readme file that is generated during the install. This was running 1.0.4363 driver though.
It may be under /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
> Load "GLcore"
> Load "bitmap"
> Load "dbe"
> Load "ddc"
> Load "dri"
> Load "extmod"
> Load "freetype"
> Load "glx"
> Load "int10"
> Load "record"
> Load "speedo"
> Load "type1"
> Load "vbe"
> EndSection
HTH
John
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 13:11:44 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
In-Reply-To: <20040903034838.3f7e1a00-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20040903131144.GN8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:38AM -0400, John Myshrall wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:42:27 -0400
> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:41:48PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> > > Thanks Lennart,
> > > I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
> > > Load "fb"
> > > in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
> > > possible to see your XF86Config file?
>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> > # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> > # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> > Section "Files"
> > FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
> > # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
> > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
> > EndSection
> > Section "Module"
>
>
> My latest info states that Load "Glcore" should be removed as well as Load "dri". Check the readme file that is generated during the install. This was running 1.0.4363 driver though.
>
> It may be under /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
I am pretty sure the 5xxx and 6xxx drivers have not required that. At
least it works very well for me as is, and I think removing them may
even break it now. At least it does no harm.
Lennart Sorensen
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 18:06:44 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:06:44 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
In-Reply-To: <20040902194227.GK8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094112970.6721.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040902133314.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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<20040902194227.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1094234803.3928.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Thanks Lennart,
I'll have a look at this and see if it helps me up and running X.
Seconding what John said, the documentation from NVIDIA says that dri
and GLcore should be removed but I agree if it works leave it alone,
look what happened to me : ( .
Jim
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:41:48PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> > Thanks Lennart,
> > I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
> > Load "fb"
> > in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
> > possible to see your XF86Config file?
> >
> >
> > Symbol xf86XvMCDestroyAdaptorRec from module
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> > Symbol xf86XvMCCreateAdaptorRec from module
> > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is unresolved!
> >
> > *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
> > *** be the reason for the server aborting.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is what I have on my system
> >
> > Here is what I have in /usr/X11R6/lib/ What am I missing??
> > [jim at localhost lib]$ ls libXv*
> > libXv.a libXvMCNVIDIA.a libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111 libXv.so.1
> > libXvMC.a libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 libXv.so
>
> ---XF86Config-4 START---
> # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
> # values from the debconf database.
> #
> # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
> # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
> #
> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
> # package.
> #
> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
> # again, run the following commands as root:
> #
> # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> Section "Files"
> FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
> # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
> FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
> EndSection
> Section "Module"
> Load "GLcore"
> Load "bitmap"
> Load "dbe"
> Load "ddc"
> Load "dri"
> Load "extmod"
> Load "freetype"
> Load "glx"
> Load "int10"
> Load "record"
> Load "speedo"
> Load "type1"
> Load "vbe"
> EndSection
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver "keyboard"
> Option "CoreKeyboard"
> Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
> Option "XkbLayout" "us"
> EndSection
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
> Driver "mouse"
> Option "CorePointer"
> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
> Driver "nvidia"
> EndSection
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier "Samsung 753DF"
> HorizSync 30-70
> VertRefresh 50-160
> Option "DPMS"
> EndSection
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Default Screen"
> Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
> Monitor "Samsung 753DF"
> DefaultDepth 24
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 1
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 4
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 8
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 15
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 24
> Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
> Section "ServerLayout"
> Identifier "Default Layout"
> Screen "Default Screen"
> InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
> InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
> EndSection
> Section "DRI"
> Mode 0666
> EndSection
> ---XF86Config-4 END---
>
> libXv*:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12582 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.a
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jun 17 12:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so ->
> libXv.so.1
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jun 17 12:39 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1 ->
> libXv.so.1.0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14828 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7560 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMC.a
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179066 Aug 5 17:09
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.a
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 23 09:31
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 165632 Aug 5 17:09
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Aug 23 09:31
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6111
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7560 May 29 08:33 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMC_pic.a
>
> Does any of that give you any ideas?
>
> Lennart Sorensen
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 19:10:48 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:10:48 -0400
Subject: Digium products in Toronto
Message-ID: <4138C1B8.3080301@deeptown.org>
Hi guys,
I am looking for Digium Wildcard TDM400P card with 1 analog FXS and 1
analog FXO module installed, here in Toronto.
Does anyone knows where I can find it in Toronto for today?
PS: I called to John Sellens, but he is not office right now. I want to
buy it today, to play with Asterisk.
PPS: John, if you reading this message, could you ring me a call to
(647) 287-8448?
All the Best!
Sergey.
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From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 19:29:04 2004
From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew M. Gamble)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:29:04 -0400
Subject: Digium products in Toronto
In-Reply-To: <4138C1B8.3080301-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <4138C1B8.3080301@deeptown.org>
Message-ID: <4138C600.3000003@mgamble.ca>
You can try http://www.wwworks-inc.com/
I got my digium cards from them and they are local (Burlington).
Regards,
M. Gamble
Sergey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I am looking for Digium Wildcard TDM400P card with 1 analog FXS and 1
> analog FXO module installed, here in Toronto.
> Does anyone knows where I can find it in Toronto for today?
>
> PS: I called to John Sellens, but he is not office right now. I want
> to buy it today, to play with Asterisk.
> PPS: John, if you reading this message, could you ring me a call to
> (647) 287-8448?
>
>
> All the Best!
> Sergey.
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 19:35:52 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:35:52 -0400
Subject: Digium products in Toronto
In-Reply-To: <4138C600.3000003-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <4138C1B8.3080301@deeptown.org> <4138C600.3000003@mgamble.ca>
Message-ID: <4138C798.9000802@deeptown.org>
Hi Matthew,
Yes, I saw their web-site, but It about 100 kilometers in one way, and
tonight it will be lots of traffic in that direction.
But anyway, thanks for help!
PS: I am working at hwy404/hwy7 and living at DVP/York Mills.
All the Best!
Sergey.
Matthew M. Gamble wrote:
> You can try http://www.wwworks-inc.com/
> I got my digium cards from them and they are local (Burlington).
>
> Regards,
>
> M. Gamble
>
> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am looking for Digium Wildcard TDM400P card with 1 analog FXS and 1
>> analog FXO module installed, here in Toronto.
>> Does anyone knows where I can find it in Toronto for today?
>>
>> PS: I called to John Sellens, but he is not office right now. I want
>> to buy it today, to play with Asterisk.
>> PPS: John, if you reading this message, could you ring me a call to
>> (647) 287-8448?
>>
>>
>> All the Best!
>> Sergey.
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 19:55:07 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:55:07 -0400
Subject: Digium products in Toronto
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References: <4138C1B8.3080301@deeptown.org> <4138C600.3000003@mgamble.ca>
Message-ID: <4138CC1B.9040904@deeptown.org>
Thanks to everyone!
I already called to John Sellens.
All the Best!
Sergey.
Matthew M. Gamble wrote:
> You can try http://www.wwworks-inc.com/
> I got my digium cards from them and they are local (Burlington).
>
> Regards,
>
> M. Gamble
>
> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am looking for Digium Wildcard TDM400P card with 1 analog FXS and 1
>> analog FXO module installed, here in Toronto.
>> Does anyone knows where I can find it in Toronto for today?
>>
>> PS: I called to John Sellens, but he is not office right now. I want
>> to buy it today, to play with Asterisk.
>> PPS: John, if you reading this message, could you ring me a call to
>> (647) 287-8448?
>>
>>
>> All the Best!
>> Sergey.
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 16:21:33 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:21:33 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:11:44 -0400
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 03:48:38AM -0400, John Myshrall wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:42:27 -0400
> > lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:41:48PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> > > > Thanks Lennart,
> > > > I got rid of a lot of errors by putting
> > > > Load "fb"
> > > > in my XF86Config file . Now I'm left with the following errors. Is it
> > > > possible to see your XF86Config file?
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> > > # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> > > # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
> > > Section "Files"
> > > FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server
> > > # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
> > > FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
> > > EndSection
> > > Section "Module"
> >
> >
> > My latest info states that Load "Glcore" should be removed as well as Load "dri". Check the readme file that is generated during the install. This was running 1.0.4363 driver though.
> >
> > It may be under /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
>
> I am pretty sure the 5xxx and 6xxx drivers have not required that. At
> least it works very well for me as is, and I think removing them may
> even break it now. At least it does no harm.
>
> Lennart Sorensen
I just checked. It still says these should be removed. I'm running 1.0-5336
>From file:/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README
If you already have an XF86Config file working with a different driver
(such as the 'nv' or 'vesa' driver), then all you need to do is find
the relevant Device section and replace the line:
Driver "nv"
(or Driver "vesa")
with
Driver "nvidia"
In the Module section, make sure you have:
Load "glx"
You should also remove the following lines:
Load "dri"
Load "GLcore"
if they exist. There are also numerous options that can be added to
the XF86Config file to fine-tune the NVIDIA XFree86 driver. Please see
Appendix D for a complete list of these options.
John
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 16:42:47 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:06:44 -0400
jim ruxton wrote:
> Thanks Lennart,
> I'll have a look at this and see if it helps me up and running X.
> Seconding what John said, the documentation from NVIDIA says that dri
> and GLcore should be removed but I agree if it works leave it alone,
> look what happened to me : ( .
> Jim
>
I had this problem with Debian. I got spoiled by the Suse install. Debian is great as well.
BTW GLcore and dri are both removed on my system
Try running
ldd `which glxgears' | grep libGL
You may have a problem with the libGL.so and LibGL.so.1. Check /usr/lib/tls. If for some reason they stay linked try renaming.
The files that should be used are the libGL.so.(your version#) and libGL.so.1.(your version#). They will be in the same directory.
HTH
John
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From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 3 21:18:36 2004
From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:18:36 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Howdy all,
>
> Can anyone recommend a very small motherboard for a project I am
> working on? A client wants me to build a tiny self standing system in
> a very small case. Something like the Bubba keg computer. Doesn?t have
> to be AMD or Intel, Via is fine for what I need. Bottom line, small
> and cheap :)
>
> I was recently in the US for a couple weeks working at a client?s, and
> on the way to and from the hotel I left my laptop on war driving. In
> both Boston and NYC, the thing lit up like Christmas. In Cambridge
> alone, I got close to 100 on one street near Harvard Square, the
> number of access points was really astounding. I found myself parking
> on side streets and getting amazing leech access, good to get a couple
> tunes to listen to while stuck in traffic or while lost (thank
> goodness for GPS)
>
> Sid
>
http://www.eprom.com
They have Mini-ITX, and Nano-ITX.
Located 750 Cochrane Drive in Markham
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 4 02:52:25 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:52:25 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 12:42:47PM -0400, John Myshrall wrote:
> I had this problem with Debian. I got spoiled by the Suse install. Debian is great as well.
>
> BTW GLcore and dri are both removed on my system
>
> Try running
>
> ldd `which glxgears' | grep libGL
>
> You may have a problem with the libGL.so and LibGL.so.1. Check /usr/lib/tls. If for some reason they stay linked try renaming.
> The files that should be used are the libGL.so.(your version#) and libGL.so.1.(your version#). They will be in the same directory.
The TLS stuff is handled nicely by Debian on boot, where it detects if
the current kernel needs/supports it or not, and sets up the right links
for you automatically. Rather handy.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 4 04:10:59 2004
From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:10:59 -0400
Subject: MySql gui interface
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What would you say was a good MySql user interface for a person brought
up on windows?
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 4 07:52:17 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:52:17 -0400
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Thanks John,
Here is the result of:
# ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears
libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x49efe000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x49e1e000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 (0x49f0e000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x49df5000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x49cb8000)
libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
libnvidia-tls.so.1 => /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1
(0x40752000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x49e19000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x49ca0000)
and:
# ldd `which glxgears` | grep libGL
libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
Does this look right?
Jim
>
> > Thanks Lennart,
> > I'll have a look at this and see if it helps me up and running X.
> > Seconding what John said, the documentation from NVIDIA says that dri
> > and GLcore should be removed but I agree if it works leave it alone,
> > look what happened to me : ( .
> > Jim
> >
>
>
> I had this problem with Debian. I got spoiled by the Suse install. Debian is great as well.
>
> BTW GLcore and dri are both removed on my system
>
> Try running
>
> ldd `which glxgears' | grep libGL
>
> You may have a problem with the libGL.so and LibGL.so.1. Check /usr/lib/tls. If for some reason they stay linked try renaming.
> The files that should be used are the libGL.so.(your version#) and libGL.so.1.(your version#). They will be in the same directory.
>
> HTH
>
> John
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From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Sep 4 15:10:57 2004
From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:10:57 -0400
Subject: MySql gui interface
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Lance F. Squire wrote:
> What would you say was a good MySql user interface for a person
> brought up on windows?
It depends on what you are expecting from a GUI for MySQL. One GUI tool
that is handy to have around for MySQL is phpMyAdmin. You can find it at
http://www.phpmyadmin.net/.
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 04:26:10 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:26:10 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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> http://www.eprom.com
>
> They have Mini-ITX, and Nano-ITX.
>
> Located 750 Cochrane Drive in Markham
It appears that you need to register as a customer, practically needing
to send in a credit check, in order to get at more than merely product
names.
Does pricing warrant this? Are they OK to deal with?
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 15:08:12 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:08:12 -0400
Subject: MySql gui interface
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On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 00:10, Lance F. Squire wrote:
> What would you say was a good MySql user interface for a person brought
> up on windows?
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I have used the MySQL Control Centre and it was pretty good:
http://www.mysql.com/products/mysqlcc/
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From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 18:43:56 2004
From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:43:56 -0400
Subject: Small Parts (+war driving comment :)
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Christopher Browne wrote:
>>http://www.eprom.com
>>
>>They have Mini-ITX, and Nano-ITX.
>>
>>Located 750 Cochrane Drive in Markham
>>
>>
>
>It appears that you need to register as a customer, practically needing
>to send in a credit check, in order to get at more than merely product
>names.
>
>Does pricing warrant this? Are they OK to deal with?
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>
I ran into then at the Real World Linux Show. I have not yet had any
dealings with them, I just kept the information on file as I will be
needing these boards in the near future. The pricing I was given was
better than anywhere else I was able to find these VIA boards. Give them
a call.
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From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 19:14:01 2004
From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:14:01 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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Greetings all,
Wow... been quite awhile since I posted to the list. The new job (well,
~4 months or so now) has had me kinda busy but in a good way. So I
thought I'd drop in and say 'Hello again' to everyone.
I'm thinking, once again, of easing myself into some hardware upgrades
for home. In particular, I want to pick up an SMP system or 2. I'm not a
gamer, so wicked graphics performance isn't a huge concern as long as I
can do 1280x1024 in 24 bit colour. Don't need a whole lot of HDD space
(40GB would be fine) and 512MB should be enough for memory. Hell, all I
really need is a barebone system with MB, CPUs and maybe memory (since
all I got now is SDRAM).
I remember there was a Toronto company that dealt with making fairly
high end linux systems, w/ SMP, Promise cards, etc. I can't remember the
name so if anyone else does, let me know! Otherwise I'll just ask for
peoples experience, or the latest street wisdom, as it pertains to SMP
motherboards and CPU availability. I'm somewhat CPU agnostic, so I don't
really care if it's AMD or Intel. The 'Most Bang for the Buck' is what
I'm looking at hear, and the smaller the form factor the better. And, as
if to show that I'm truly becoming an old man, the quieter the system
the better, too! ;)
Normally I'd just hit the computer alley (College&Spadina) but perhaps
it's time I branch off and start investigating what's available up
Markham way or elsewhere. I'd even drive a healthy amount of km to
another town if there was a kickass shop or person that offered
something outstanding.
BTW, here's my new fantasy (look at the DS-96):
http://www.orionmulti.com/products/descriptions
Later,
Byron
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From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 19:32:25 2004
From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:32:25 -0400
Subject: MySql gui interface
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Devin Whalen wrote:
>
> I have used the MySQL Control Centre and it was pretty good:
> http://www.mysql.com/products/mysqlcc/
>
Thanks All for the input.
So far this has been the best solution for us.
Lance
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 21:42:45 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:42:45 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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> I'm thinking, once again, of easing myself into some hardware upgrades
> for home. In particular, I want to pick up an SMP system or 2. I'm not
> a gamer, so wicked graphics performance isn't a huge concern as long
> as I can do 1280x1024 in 24 bit colour. Don't need a whole lot of HDD
> space (40GB would be fine) and 512MB should be enough for
> memory. Hell, all I really need is a barebone system with MB, CPUs and
> maybe memory (since all I got now is SDRAM).
This begs the question of what you expect your actual performance
bottlenecks to be.
If you're not doing "wicked graphics," then I wouldn't expect CPU load
to be high on the list.
For the $400-odd premium you'd pay for an SMP motherboard and CPU, I'd
expect you could upgrade to SCSI disk, or to have a couple GB of RAM,
both of which commonly give better boosts than an extra CPU.
I would find it very surprising for you to need only pedestrian disk and
memory but find "premium" CPU hardware of use...
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 18:03:42 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:03:42 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:52:17 -0400
jim ruxton wrote:
> Thanks John,
>
> Here is the result of:
> # ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears
> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
> libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x49efe000)
> libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x49e1e000)
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 (0x49f0e000)
> libm.so.6 => /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x49df5000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x49cb8000)
> libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
> libnvidia-tls.so.1 => /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1
> (0x40752000)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x49e19000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x49ca0000)
>
> and:
>
> # ldd `which glxgears` | grep libGL
> libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
> libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
>
> Does this look right?
> Jim
Your output is the same as mine. However like I said before load dri and load GLcore are removed in my XConfig.
> >
> > ldd `which glxgears' | grep libGL
> >
> > You may have a problem with the libGL.so and LibGL.so.1. Check /usr/lib/tls. If for some reason they stay linked try renaming.
> > The files that should be used are the libGL.so.(your version#) and libGL.so.1.(your version#). They will be in the same directory.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > John
> > --
What I did worked on a Libranet install which is Debian based however some will say it's a bastardize Debian.
I renamed those files libGL.so.bu & LibGL.so.1.bu
After this everything worked. I'm not sure sure why this problem occurs though.
John
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Sep 5 22:22:30 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:22:30 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:14:01PM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote:
> I'm thinking, once again, of easing myself into some hardware upgrades
> for home. In particular, I want to pick up an SMP system or 2. I'm not a
> gamer, so wicked graphics performance isn't a huge concern as long as I
> can do 1280x1024 in 24 bit colour. Don't need a whole lot of HDD space
> (40GB would be fine) and 512MB should be enough for memory. Hell, all I
> really need is a barebone system with MB, CPUs and maybe memory (since
> all I got now is SDRAM).
Well, I have dual-P3, but any current single-cpu blows it away. If you
have to ask about SMP, then you don't need it. Instead, spend the money
on extra harddisk (for backup/spare), more RAM, printer, DVD, better
monitor, better case/power supply, etc. Even SCSI disk will give you
better bang for the money than extra cpu.
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 00:36:50 2004
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:36:50 -0400
Subject: Dumb, dumb, dependancies
Message-ID: <20040906003650.GA20440@m1800>
I use ssmtp to emulate sendmail forwarding to IStop's MTA. The binary
is named (wait for it) "ssmtp", and there is also the option of creating
a symlink called "sendmail". I did that once, just once. That's when I
discovered that cron jobs can be very verbose, and send email to root.
Since ssmtp forwards to IStop's MTA, my cron job outputs started going
to root-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (oops). When they sent me an email saying "please
stop", I deleted the "sendmail" symlink. Now mutt is configured to use
"/usr/sbin/ssmtp" as its sendmail-equivalant command and cron jobs don't
see a usable MTA.
Fast-forward to August. A few packages will not install on Debian
because the libs are so old. A new, updated, stable release is due out
in a matter of weeks, but I use it as an excuse to try CRUX linux on my
2nd machine. Everything's compiled "-O2 -march=i686". The CRUX "ports"
system for applications is neat. It grabs the unmodified tarball off
the download site, and uses a metadata file to control compile options.
Think of it as an automated linux-from-scratch.
Remember that I mentioned that I deleted the "sendmail" symlink to
avoid embarressing incidents? Well, it turns out that both gnupg and
slrn will *NOT* build if they can't find an executable named
"/usr/sbin/sendmail" (slrn does offer the choice of using a *DIFFERENT*
MTA as a ./configure option, but does *NOT* offer the choice of *NO*
MTA). These stupidities are not the CRUX port-maintainer's fault.
They're hard-coded right into the the configure or make files in the
tarballs. I find this exceedingly dumb. Interestingly, mutt is much
nicer in this area. It allows you to set the MTA in the muttrc, rather
than hard-coding it into the executable like slrn or gnupg. And it'll
function perfectly as a mail-reader with the MTA-pointer commented out.
Since I read mailing lists and usenet news, I occasionally slip and hit
"r" in news. Disabling slrn from sending email is a safety feature for
me. And I really don't understand where the gnupg maintainer gets off
requiring the presence of "/usr/sbin/sendmail". Unless I'm missing
something, my MUA is supposed to call gnupg to sign and/or encrypt
email, after which my MUA sends the email to an MTA; or is gnupg
supposed to be able to send out email on its own? Anyhow, since the
idiots insist, I've stuck in /usr/sbin/sendmail and made it executable,
like so...
#!/bin/bash
# This file is dedicated to those ####wit programmers who set up config
# files such that their programs will not even attempt to build or
# install if they can't find an executable named "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
exit
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From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 21:01:19 2004
From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:01:19 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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> This begs the question of what you expect your actual
> performance bottlenecks to be.
Well, it's not always about bottlenecks you know... sometimes a bigger
hammer doesn't help you solve a problem nearly as fast as a bunch of
smaller hammers. It depends on the nature of the problem.
> I would find it very surprising for you to need only
> pedestrian disk and memory but find "premium"
> CPU hardware of use...
Be surprised. The way I work, I find that an extra arm comes in handy
more frequently than one realizes. Especially where clustering comes in
to play. I'm not a windows user, ya know ;)
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Sep 6 21:21:40 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:21:40 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 05:01:19PM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote:
> Well, it's not always about bottlenecks you know... sometimes a bigger
> hammer doesn't help you solve a problem nearly as fast as a bunch of
> smaller hammers. It depends on the nature of the problem.
Perhaps, but knocking down a wall with 10 one pound happers is likely
not going to be faster than one 20 pound hammer. Getting an old SMP box
costing more than a new single cpu machine is usually silly, since the
single cpu machine will have more processing power than the SMP
machine's cpu's have combined, and it will have newer faster memory and
newer faster disk access.
> Be surprised. The way I work, I find that an extra arm comes in handy
> more frequently than one realizes. Especially where clustering comes in
> to play. I'm not a windows user, ya know ;)
Most of us try not to be windows users.
SMP is a very good idea, but only if you have already exhausted what you
can get in a single cpu machine. Adding lots of fast cpus is great.
Lots of slow ones usually isn't.
Lennart Sorensen
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 02:13:36 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:13:36 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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> > This begs the question of what you expect your actual
> > performance bottlenecks to be.
>
> Well, it's not always about bottlenecks you know... sometimes a bigger
> hammer doesn't help you solve a problem nearly as fast as a bunch of
> smaller hammers. It depends on the nature of the problem.
No, it is _always_ all about bottlenecks.
It is _guaranteed_ that some component of the system will constrain
performance of the application.
Maybe it's the CPU(s), maybe you'll get hurt by memory bandwidth. Maybe
disk bandwidth. Perhaps network bandwidth, or latency. For GUIed
applications, the "performance bottleneck" is likely to be the idiot at
the keyboard :-).
If the bottleneck isn't the CPU, then increasing the number of CPUs
won't help performance, plain and simple.
>> I would find it very surprising for you to need only pedestrian disk
>> and memory but find "premium" CPU hardware of use...
> Be surprised. The way I work, I find that an extra arm comes in handy
> more frequently than one realizes. Especially where clustering comes
> in to play. I'm not a windows user, ya know ;)
The economy of things normally is that if you have a system with a mere
512MB of RAM, it is almost certain that spending a couple hundred
dollars to upgrade to 2GB of RAM will provide the cheapest and most
effective performance upgrade.
After that, it's likely that throwing in a $200 cacheing RAID controller
and a few disk drives will be the next best upgrade.
Heading on to SMP is the _third_ option, after the earlier cheaper ones.
I find it _very_ surprising that extra CPU bandwidth is more compelling
than memory or disk I/O bandwidth. Doubly so in that adding more CPUs
makes the system readily able to chew up _more_ memory and disk I/O and
network bandwidth.
If you step up from 1 to 4 CPUs, that means running 4x as much code,
accessing 4x as much memory, and having 4x as much data to throw at
disks and NICs.
We've got quad-Xeon boxes at work that actually start to _slow down_ as
you scale up assortedly because:
a) Hyperthreading pretty much just sucks;
b) Context switches get _way_ more expensive when you break the
2GB barrier, which means that the last 6GB of memory on these
boxes actually _slow_ performance, despite the stunning cost
of the DIMMs :-(
The big, big win with AMD-64 is _not_ primarily in the ability to have
more CPUs, although it looks like it's no slouch there; the win is that
you can address 32GB of RAM without the performance-destroying hackery
of the Intel Xeons.
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 03:11:45 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 23:11:45 -0400
Subject: Problem with nvidia installer
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Thanks again John. Yes dri and GLcore are also removed from my
XF86Config file.
> On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 03:52:17 -0400
> jim ruxton wrote:
>
> > Thanks John,
> >
> > Here is the result of:
> > # ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxgears
> > libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
> > libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x49efe000)
> > libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x49e1e000)
> > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 (0x49f0e000)
> > libm.so.6 => /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x49df5000)
> > libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x49cb8000)
> > libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
> > libnvidia-tls.so.1 => /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1
> > (0x40752000)
> > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x49e19000)
> > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x49ca0000)
> >
> > and:
> >
> > # ldd `which glxgears` | grep libGL
> > libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40011000)
> > libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (0x4007a000)
> >
> > Does this look right?
> > Jim
>
> Your output is the same as mine. However like I said before load dri and load GLcore are removed in my XConfig.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > ldd `which glxgears' | grep libGL
> > >
> > > You may have a problem with the libGL.so and LibGL.so.1. Check /usr/lib/tls. If for some reason they stay linked try renaming.
> > > The files that should be used are the libGL.so.(your version#) and libGL.so.1.(your version#). They will be in the same directory.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > John
> > > --
>
> What I did worked on a Libranet install which is Debian based however some will say it's a bastardize Debian.
>
> I renamed those files libGL.so.bu & LibGL.so.1.bu
> After this everything worked. I'm not sure sure why this problem occurs though.
>
> John
>
>
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 03:15:59 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Christopher Browne wrote:
> The economy of things normally is that if you have a system with a mere
> 512MB of RAM, it is almost certain that spending a couple hundred
> dollars to upgrade to 2GB of RAM will provide the cheapest and most
> effective performance upgrade.
There is no such thing as a "normal" system and nothing is "almost
certain". Bumping the RAM in my POP server (>5000 entries in /etc/passwd)
from 1GB to 2GB isn't going to make a material difference:
ralph at ns ~$ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 905240 804992 100248 0 35316 478100
-/+ buffers/cache: 291576 613664
Swap: 2024168 60688 1963480
ralph at ns ~$ uptime
10:45pm up 96 days, 1:40, 5 users, load average: 0.69, 0.87, 0.84
vmstat will give you a good idea of where (if any) system bottlenecks are.
swap io system cpu
si so bi bo in cs us sy id
0 0 0 2 4 4 2 2 3
0 0 0 0 159 47 1 1 98
0 0 0 52 254 183 1 9 90
0 0 128 0 192 89 4 2 94
0 0 0 0 224 98 5 6 89
0 0 129 0 234 72 5 4 91
0 0 0 0 222 117 17 18 66
0 0 0 32 252 110 9 4 87
0 0 0 0 190 89 4 2 94
0 0 0 0 240 131 15 6 79
0 0 128 0 163 60 0 3 97
I can see that my CPU is mostly idle, so upgrading my 1Ghz duron CPU isn't
going to make a difference. There's not much disk I/O, so my software
RAID-1 setup is fine. Performance-wise this server is running fine.
IMHO, the cheapest way to improve performance is through software. I used
to run the pop server that came with Courier IMAP. I now get more than
double the performance from nupop. hdparm tuning and using noatime on
your filesystem will often give a big improvement to disk performance.
Also consider tmpfs for /tmp. I backed out of using it on 2.4.24 due to
crashes, but will probably give it a shot on my next kernel upgrade.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 03:27:21 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:27:21 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:13:36PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
[snip]
> We've got quad-Xeon boxes at work that actually start to _slow down_ as
> you scale up assortedly because:
>
> a) Hyperthreading pretty much just sucks;
That is not necesarily true. Intel's implementation may be the problem
(like many other parts of the P4 design which just seems full of strange
bottlenecks).
> b) Context switches get _way_ more expensive when you break the
> 2GB barrier, which means that the last 6GB of memory on these
> boxes actually _slow_ performance, despite the stunning cost
> of the DIMMs :-(
Well that is certainly a big one. PAE's memory mapping or banking
certainly doesn't help speed up things, although it should still beat
swap space.
> The big, big win with AMD-64 is _not_ primarily in the ability to have
> more CPUs, although it looks like it's no slouch there; the win is that
> you can address 32GB of RAM without the performance-destroying hackery
> of the Intel Xeons.
The athlon 64s also seem to get a lot more done per clock than the Xeons
do. And they actually seem to be designed to work as a 64bit chip.
Lennart Sorensen
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 04:03:31 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:03:31 -0400
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
Message-ID: <200409070003.31324.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Hi,
I'm interested in buying the book "Program Development in Java: Abstraction,
Specification, and Object-Oriented Design.". It's published by Addison
Wesley, 2001. Author is Barbara Liskov.
Unfortunately it's $85.99 and I don't like the idea of buying it without being
able to browse the book first. I've checked stock in Chapters stores across
the GTA and there is (supposedly) none.
Does anyone know of an outlet store or other that may have this? I went into
TO today hoping to find it at an outlet store but all of the outlet stores I
knew of have permanently closed (except for PC Mania and it was closed for
the holiday).
Are there still any computer book specialty stores in the GTA (like the one
that used to be near Yonge/Wellesley)?
Thanks
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 07:18:56 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:18:56 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Announcement: TLUG Meeting: Sept 14, 2004.
Message-ID:
Where: Room GB244, Galbraith Building, University of Toronto
For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/
When: Sept 14, 2004.
Speaker: William Park
Topic: BASH
Details:
Bash-3.0 was released recently. Two notable additions from
Bash-2.05b are regex test '=~' in [[...]] and integer sequence
generator {x..y}. Bash patch written by William Park
http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/
http://freshmeat.net/projects/basp/
extends Bash's capability even more, giving other modern scripting
languages a run for their money.
His patch incorporates many useful features from Awk, Python, Zsh,
Ksh, and others. In the main core, it adds the following:
- new brace expansion {a..b}
- new parameter expansion ${var|...}
- new command substitution $(=...)
- string concatenation (+=)
- extended for, while, and until loops
- extended case statement
- new try-block with integer exception.
As builtin commands, it adds the following:
- extended set, read, echo builtins
- sscanf(3) wrapper
- variety of array and regex(3) operations
- GDBM, SQLite, PostgreSQL, and MySQL database interfaces
- an HTML template engine (BASP).
He will give a quick tutorial on above features. People are
encouraged to try it out, and any feedback on possible applications
or feature requests are most welcome. Since everything is online,
there will be no handouts or projector. Just chalk and blackboard.
TLUG Talks Coordinator
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 14:18:15 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:18:15 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
Message-ID: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80>
Hey,
I just installed a whole bunch of firefox extensions most of which are
quite amazing, however, one of them seemed to cause a problem so that
when I restarted firefox everything is messed up. And by messed up I
mean I can't access any of the menu options (bookmarks,tools....) in
fact I can't even type in the location bar to go to a site. So
basically I have a browser that does nothing but look pretty. Is there
anyway to remove the extensions from the command line. Or is there a
file I can edit to remove the extensions so I can get back to normal?
Thanks for the help.
Later
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 14:27:40 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:27:40 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
In-Reply-To: <1094566695.6694.4.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <413DC55C.4030409@canada.com>
Devin,
You should have an "extension" folder in your Firefox configuration (in
your personal folder). Try to play with it (I have never done it).
Hope that helps.
Gilles
Devin Whalen wrote:
>Hey,
>
>I just installed a whole bunch of firefox extensions most of which are
>quite amazing, however, one of them seemed to cause a problem so that
>when I restarted firefox everything is messed up. And by messed up I
>mean I can't access any of the menu options (bookmarks,tools....) in
>fact I can't even type in the location bar to go to a site. So
>basically I have a browser that does nothing but look pretty. Is there
>anyway to remove the extensions from the command line. Or is there a
>file I can edit to remove the extensions so I can get back to normal?
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Later
>
>
>
>
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue Sep 7 16:45:46 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:45:46 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
In-Reply-To: <413DC55C.4030409-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413DC55C.4030409@canada.com>
Message-ID: <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80>
On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 10:27, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> Devin,
>
> You should have an "extension" folder in your Firefox configuration (in
> your personal folder). Try to play with it (I have never done it).
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Gilles
I just spent the last 2 hours trying to figure this out...I really like
firefox :)...anyway, all of my preferences for firefox are not stored in
.mozilla/firefox but rather in .phoenix/ !! How the hell that happened
I don't know. At any rate I was able to delete the lines in my
overlays.rdf that reference the bad extensions and everything seems to
work fine now. Except that now all my bookmarks are lost...which really
sucks but at least it is working again.
Later
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From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 02:20:00 2004
From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Erebus)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:20:00 -0400
Subject: (OT) VoIP
In-Reply-To: <1094575545.6694.63.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040908022009.838926D86A@lethe.ss.org>
Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work? I've
been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue me, but
don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
Thanks
Frank in Mississauga
J F M
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 02:30:41 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:30:41 -0400
Subject: (OT) VoIP
In-Reply-To: <20040908022009.838926D86A-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908022009.838926D86A@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040908023041.B33D545A1@cbbrowne.com>
> Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
>
> Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work?
> I've been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue
> me, but don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
We're using it at work, through Telus, and modulo a couple of glitches
where service kicked out (and they are evidently working pretty hard to
eliminate that sort of thing), it works fine.
A friend has been using at home, with somewhat less success.
Connections had lots of little pauses. But I'm not sure how fast his
connection is, and that could be a factor.
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From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 05:04:12 2004
From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:04:12 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <20040907021336.BE2E345A1-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com>
Message-ID: <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
> No, it is _always_ all about bottlenecks.
Feh; word play.
Anyways, clearly I know nothing of what I talk about. Thankfully the assorted math and cryptanalysis routines I run on occasion aren't as dumb as I am.
When I can buy a single CPU that runs at 96 GHz, let me know.
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 07:51:56 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 03:51:56 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
Message-ID: <20040908075157.C2C146D270@lethe.ss.org>
Hi All,
Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry for
the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G router. I
saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don't have any in my area. Any
one know of a deal in north york or close by?
Thanks,
Sid
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From: littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (littleguru)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:31:26 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <20040908075157.C2C146D270-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <413ED16E.5010500@sympatico.ca>
would you please let me know what is B/G router .
I am using wireless Router which I have bought from bell .
its about $68 , as I remember .
the brand is efficiant network, just let me know what do you mean by B/G ?
Border router / Gateway router ?
Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry
> for the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G
> router. I saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don?t have any in
> my area. Any one know of a deal in north york or close by?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sid
>
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 09:47:17 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 05:47:17 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <413ED16E.5010500-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <413ED16E.5010500@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040908094713.9C4D96D6B3@lethe.ss.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of littleguru
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:31 AM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cheap wireless router
>
> would you please let me know what is B/G router .
> I am using wireless Router which I have bought from bell .
> its about $68 , as I remember .
> the brand is efficiant network, just let me know what do you mean by B/G ?
> Border router / Gateway router ?
>
802.11b = 11Mb/sec. Network "Speed" (Carrier transmission 2.4GHz)
802.11g = 54Mb/sec. Network "Speed" (Carrier transmission 2.4GHz)
See http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Hardware.html for more info
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 13:27:12 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:27:12 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <413ED16E.5010500-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908075157.C2C146D270@lethe.ss.org> <413ED16E.5010500@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <413F08B0.3070107@rogers.com>
I believe he's referring to the wireless standards 802.11b & 802.11g.
littleguru wrote:
> would you please let me know what is B/G router .
> I am using wireless Router which I have bought from bell .
> its about $68 , as I remember .
> the brand is efficiant network, just let me know what do you mean by B/G ?
> Border router / Gateway router ?
>
> Sidney Shapiro wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry
>> for the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G
>> router. I saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don?t have any in
>> my area. Any one know of a deal in north york or close by?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sid
>>
>
>
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 13:38:27 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:38:27 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <20040908075157.C2C146D270-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908075157.C2C146D270@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <200409080938.28006.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
On September 8, 2004 03:51 am, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry for
> the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G router. I
> saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don't have any in my area. Any
> one know of a deal in north york or close by?
If I was after something like that I would use the Linksys WRT54G, it runs
Linux after all ;-)
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From tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 13:38:29 2004
From: tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Tim Goodaire)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:38:29 -0300
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
Message-ID: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Hello everyone,
I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
connection speeds? Customer service?
Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
Thanks,
Tim
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From cfriedt-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 13:47:17 2004
From: cfriedt-6s6ziW1YCwCw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Christopher Friedt)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:47:17 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
Message-ID: <7c95007c9373.7c93737c9500@ryerson.ca>
Hi there,
actually, there's a really great new isp in TO that offers a ridiculous amount of bandwidth and static for about as much as a typical home connection. They don't block any ports and have no problems with typical business traffic. This new ISP is called istop (just check out istop on google), but i use rogers downtown and i'm free to use port 25.
Cheers,
Christopher Friedt
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Goodaire
Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 9:38 am
Subject: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
>
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I
> would like
> to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port
> 25? All
> of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
>
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer
> gear.Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
>
> Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
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From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:01:02 2004
From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Gennidakis)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <200409080938.28006.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20040908140102.82172.qmail@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Yes that is a good choice and there are many different customized firmware packagers that add customized features for the router (i.e. Sveasoft etc). It's cheap at Canada Computers. I think it's now selling for 65$.
Fraser Campbell wrote:On September 8, 2004 03:51 am, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry for
> the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G router. I
> saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don't have any in my area. Any
> one know of a deal in north york or close by?
If I was after something like that I would use the Linksys WRT54G, it runs
Linux after all ;-)
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From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:06:50 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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Message-ID: <20040908140650.GB9376@butters.southtrak>
I use Golden.net as an ISP. They have no download limits and I haven't
had any problems with ports being blocked. My DSL service is 35$/month
and includes 24/7 tech support. They don't officially support users who
run their own servers. I don't have a static IP.
On 09:47 Wed 08 Sep , Christopher Friedt wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> actually, there's a really great new isp in TO that offers a ridiculous amount of bandwidth and static for about as much as a typical home connection. They don't block any ports and have no problems with typical business traffic. This new ISP is called istop (just check out istop on google), but i use rogers downtown and i'm free to use port 25.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christopher Friedt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Goodaire
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 9:38 am
> Subject: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> > Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> > meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
> >
> > I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I
> > would like
> > to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> > recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port
> > 25? All
> > of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> > geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> > connection speeds? Customer service?
> >
> > Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer
> > gear.Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
> >
> > Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim
> >
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From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:10:51 2004
From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:10:51 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
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On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 09:38 -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On September 8, 2004 03:51 am, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
>
> > Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry for
> > the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G router. I
> > saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don't have any in my area. Any
> > one know of a deal in north york or close by?
>
> If I was after something like that I would use the Linksys WRT54G, it runs
> Linux after all ;-)
Yep. I'd have to agree, and strongly recommend against D-Link stuff.
I've had two wireless PCMCIA cards die after about a year of use.
Like an idiot, I went out and got a D-Link DI-624 wireless-G router
anyway. Very disappointing. It constantly makes a high-pitched squeal.
It refuses to sit flat on a table (tips over). The setup GUI has
problems with mozilla. Most importantly, it stops accepting new
wireless connections every few days. I have to push the reset button
all the time. Argh.
Austin
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 13:56:44 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:56:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <7c95007c9373.7c93737c9500@ryerson.ca>
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s/new//g
We've been offering ADSL service in Toronto for over 3 years now.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Christopher Friedt wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> actually, there's a really great new isp in TO that offers a ridiculous amount of bandwidth and static for about as much as a typical home connection. They don't block any ports and have no problems with typical business traffic. This new ISP is called istop (just check out istop on google), but i use rogers downtown and i'm free to use port 25.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christopher Friedt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Goodaire
> Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2004 9:38 am
> Subject: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> > Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> > meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
> >
> > I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I
> > would like
> > to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> > recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port
> > 25? All
> > of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> > geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> > connection speeds? Customer service?
> >
> > Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer
> > gear.Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
> >
> > Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim
> >
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:16:36 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:36 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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I currently have Rogers 'Extreme' cable, which is a 5mbit/800k package.
Runs $44.95/mo. I have to admit, it's pretty damn spanky. Haven't had any
problems, and I run a whole bunch of things behind it (web/e-mail/db/...).
New computer gear, Canada Computers (www.canadacomputers.com) is good, and
so is Sonnam (www.sonnam.com). Not always the best staff, but they are
cheap, and carry most of the newest stuff, and even some arcane stuff (read:
server related).
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tim Goodaire
Sent: September 8, 2004 9:38 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
Hello everyone,
I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from Halifax
around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG meetings, and look
forward to meeting you all.
I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like to
know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks recommend. In
particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All of the ISPs here
in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a geek who wants to run
their own mailserver at home. What about connection speeds? Customer
service?
Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
Thanks,
Tim
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:24:43 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:24:43 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
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I had a loss problem with my bookmark. There is an extensions for
that. Well, there were 2 but last time I checked there was only one.
This extensions is called Bookmarks Synchronizer 0.9.6
and you
can find it under the category Bookmark. It synchronizes your bookmark
with a backup saved on an FTP server (very easy I can also help you) at
the xbel format (so very nice as well).
The other extension was call Bookmark Backup (if I recall well) and
saved your bookmark to a designed place every time you left Firefox.
This extensions has disappeared (at least from the official extensions
website).
Hope it helps.
Gilles
Devin Whalen wrote:
>On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 10:27, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
>
>
>>Devin,
>>
>>You should have an "extension" folder in your Firefox configuration (in
>>your personal folder). Try to play with it (I have never done it).
>>
>>Hope that helps.
>>
>>Gilles
>>
>>
>
>I just spent the last 2 hours trying to figure this out...I really like
>firefox :)...anyway, all of my preferences for firefox are not stored in
>.mozilla/firefox but rather in .phoenix/ !! How the hell that happened
>I don't know. At any rate I was able to delete the lines in my
>overlays.rdf that reference the bad extensions and everything seems to
>work fine now. Except that now all my bookmarks are lost...which really
>sucks but at least it is working again.
>
>Later
>
>
>
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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:07:07 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:07:07 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
>I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
>Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
>meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
Welcome.
>I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
>to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
>recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
>of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
>geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
>connection speeds? Customer service?
Many do block port 25, but I have been very happy with www.istop.com
They know and use Linux, they answer the phone when you call, have good
rates, and do not block any ports. Static IPs are available, and the
throughput is quite good - I regularly get 317kb/s download. Being ADSL
the up is not so quick, but it is respectable.
>Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
>Preferably, some place with knowledgeable staff, and good prices.
I have never found knowledgeable staff, but I have found friendly people
with reasonable returns policies, which is good enough. There are a
cluster of stores in the College and Spadina area that compete fiercely
to ensure good prices and availability. With the exception of OTA
computers; I and others on this list have horror stories about that
store and its staff.
>Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
Sunshine and exercise are good for geeks :-)
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:30:40 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:30:40 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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<20040908141640.9CCAD6D9E7@lethe.ss.org>
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:36 -0400, Michael Laccetti
wrote:
> I currently have Rogers 'Extreme' cable, which is a 5mbit/800k package.
> Runs $44.95/mo. I have to admit, it's pretty damn spanky. Haven't had any
> problems, and I run a whole bunch of things behind it (web/e-mail/db/...).
I'm on Rogers too, but I don't know which "edition" I'm on, since they
recently started offering "extreme" and "express" versions of the
service. Funny thing is, they both cost $44.95/month, bu extreme
offers 5 Mb, while express is 3 Mb (same as istop, it seems). Any way
for me to tell which version I'm on?
I really like the look of istop, because of their static IP. But
again, because it's DSL, I don't know what kind of service to expect,
because it depends on distance to the central Bell station, right? Any
thoughts on that?
>
> New computer gear, Canada Computers (www.canadacomputers.com) is good, and
> so is Sonnam (www.sonnam.com). Not always the best staff, but they are
> cheap, and carry most of the newest stuff, and even some arcane stuff (read:
> server related).
>
I also like Tiger Direct; they're in markham (tigerdirect.ca)
Aaron.
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:35:36 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:35:36 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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Message-ID: <200409081035.36985.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
On September 8, 2004 10:07 am, William O'Higgins wrote:
> Many do block port 25, but I have been very happy with www.istop.com
> They know and use Linux, they answer the phone when you call, have good
> rates, and do not block any ports. ?Static IPs are available, and the
> throughput is quite good - I regularly get 317kb/s download. ?Being ADSL
> the up is not so quick, but it is respectable.
Have you noticed a significant slowdown in the last week? I used to always
get the speeds you mention from Debian mirror sites but lately it's been
125KB/s and sometimes much worse.
--
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:34:59 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:34:59 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
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References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413DC55C.4030409@canada.com> <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413F162B.2050101@canada.com>
Message-ID: <1094654099.28641.16.camel@192.168.1.80>
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 10:24, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> I had a loss problem with my bookmark. There is an extensions for
> that. Well, there were 2 but last time I checked there was only one.
> This extensions is called Bookmarks Synchronizer 0.9.6 and you can
> find it under the category Bookmark. It synchronizes your bookmark
> with a backup saved on an FTP server (very easy I can also help you)
> at the xbel format (so very nice as well).
>
> The other extension was call Bookmark Backup (if I recall well) and
> saved your bookmark to a designed place every time you left Firefox.
> This extensions has disappeared (at least from the official extensions
> website).
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Gilles
Hey,
Thanks for the reply. I saw those two you mentioned. I am going to try
to use the Bookmark Backup thing. Luckily, I had a backup of my
bookmarks from 2 months ago so I didn't lose everything. The only thing
is, installing the extensions is what caused the problem in the first
place....but at least I know how to uninstall them from my preferences
if firefox won't start :).
Later
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Programmer
Synaptic Vision Inc
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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:38:08 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:38:08 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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If you have a paid account at something like FilePlanet, the easiest way to
check is to just download a file and see what kind of speeds you hit. I
generally top out in the 650-700k/s range.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Vegh
Sent: September 8, 2004 10:31 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:36 -0400, Michael Laccetti
wrote:
> I currently have Rogers 'Extreme' cable, which is a 5mbit/800k package.
> Runs $44.95/mo. I have to admit, it's pretty damn spanky. Haven't
> had any problems, and I run a whole bunch of things behind it
(web/e-mail/db/...).
I'm on Rogers too, but I don't know which "edition" I'm on, since they
recently started offering "extreme" and "express" versions of the service.
Funny thing is, they both cost $44.95/month, bu extreme offers 5 Mb, while
express is 3 Mb (same as istop, it seems). Any way for me to tell which
version I'm on?
I really like the look of istop, because of their static IP. But again,
because it's DSL, I don't know what kind of service to expect, because it
depends on distance to the central Bell station, right? Any thoughts on
that?
>
> New computer gear, Canada Computers (www.canadacomputers.com) is good,
> and so is Sonnam (www.sonnam.com). Not always the best staff, but
> they are cheap, and carry most of the newest stuff, and even some arcane
stuff (read:
> server related).
>
I also like Tiger Direct; they're in markham (tigerdirect.ca)
Aaron.
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 14:39:34 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:39:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <200409081035.36985.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040908140707.GA25025@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200409081035.36985.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> Have you noticed a significant slowdown in the last week? I used to always
> get the speeds you mention from Debian mirror sites but lately it's been
> 125KB/s and sometimes much worse.
That's the normal Sept back-to-school slowdown. Traffic on much of the
North-American internet can double this time of the year.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
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From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:09:29 2004
From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
> to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
> of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
I also second the recommendation for IStop.com. It's nice to finally have
an ISP whose techs are clueful and will support you even if you're using
UNIX. Plus, having the IStop.com president on this mailing list speaks
volumes!
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
> Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
People have already recommended Canada Computers; I get all my brand-new
gear there. It's always a madhouse on weekends so I recommend going after
work during the week. Plus you can check out our nifty bohemian-type
open-air market, Kensington Market, which is just down the street!
A great place to pick up miscellaneous parts is Above-All Electronics on
Bloor just west of Bathurst. It's a geek's paradise. There is also Active
Surplus on Queen between Peter & John, but I wouldn't buy stuff there that
I expect to work (cables aside). Corollary: If you want to buy stuff
there, buy at least three, in case two are broken.
- Julian
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:30:50 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:30:50 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
In-Reply-To: <20040908075157.C2C146D270-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20040908153050.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 03:51:56AM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Sent this a few hours ago and it has not yet posted, if it does, sorry for
> the double post. I am looking for a cheap (+/-$50) wireless B/G router. I
> saw a good one on factorydirect, but they don't have any in my area. Any
> one know of a deal in north york or close by?
Well I picked up a USR 8054 (B/G router) for $95 with a $50 mail in
rebate at futureshop about 4 or 5 days ago. not sure how long that
rebate offer is/was on for.
At the moment they appear to have the D-Link DI-524 on sale for $90 and
then they have a $40 mail in rebate, which I guess would bring it down
to around the $50 you are looking for.
It works great, although I had to go get the latest beta firmware to get
WPA encryption instead of just WEP.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:32:50 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:32:50 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:10:51AM -0400, Austin wrote:
> Yep. I'd have to agree, and strongly recommend against D-Link stuff.
> I've had two wireless PCMCIA cards die after about a year of use.
>
> Like an idiot, I went out and got a D-Link DI-624 wireless-G router
> anyway. Very disappointing. It constantly makes a high-pitched squeal.
> It refuses to sit flat on a table (tips over). The setup GUI has
> problems with mozilla. Most importantly, it stops accepting new
> wireless connections every few days. I have to push the reset button
> all the time. Argh.
Hmm, that's even worse than my parents having to reset their linksys
router (non wireless) about once a week.
I think I will stick to Linux PCs as routers in the future.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:36:43 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:36:43 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:16:31AM -0400, John Wildberger wrote:
> I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives on
> Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
> network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
> Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting I
> did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
NTFS write support is not very safe to the filesystem in Linux. hence
it is disabled by default. NTFS specifications are not public, so
implementing it correctly is guesswork, which is never a good idea for
filesystem drivers.
To share data between Windows and Linux on one PC, create a data
partition using FAT32 and everything will be happy.
There is a set of ntfsprogs for linux that can resize, repair, and such
NTFS, which even says that it is recomended to use the ntfs fsck in
includes after unmounting NTFS r/w in linux, before using it with
windows again. I guess that is some indicatio of how reliable the Linux
NTFS write access is considered to be. I stick to the FAT32 data
sharing partition, I won't try writing to NTFS from Linux, except in
cases of trying to repair a broken windows install.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:40:42 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:40:42 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
Maybe one of these years I will get around to attending one.
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
> to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
> of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
I believe sympatico blocks port 25. I think rogers has their user IPs
in most blackists for sending mail, so I guess that works about the same
as blocking port 25.
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
> Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
Well I use istop. I have never talked to the staff so I have no idea
how knowledgeable they are, although their web site claims they support
Linux (and maybe BSD too, I don't remember).
Price is good ($30/month for up to 3Mbit), assuming you get your own
modem. My personal service is pretty lousy, but what can you do when
your phone line is a piece of junk in and old appartment building. For
my parents the service is quite good, with most problems caused by a
crashing linksys router and occationally by the speedstream 5260 modem
crashing.
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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:16:31 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:16:31 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
Message-ID: <200409081116.31727.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives on
Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting I
did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
John
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:22:59 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:22:59 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
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It all depends on the filesystem that your XP install uses. Most likely, it
uses NTFS. If it does, write-support isn't enabled from Linux. From what I
remember, you must either compile write support in via a kernel module, or
some external tools. Write support used to be a somewhat dangerous task,
this may have changed since I last used it.
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Wildberger
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Subject: [TLUG]: XP and Linux
I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives
on Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting
I did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
John
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From littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:55:12 2004
From: littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (littleguru)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:55:12 -0400
Subject: cheap wireless router
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ok , I got it , here is the router that bell offer for a high speed user
and it supports 802.11b and 802.11g
http://www.efficient.com/subscriber_networks/6300.shtml
thanks
Sidney Shapiro wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of littleguru
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:31 AM
>>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cheap wireless router
>>
>>would you please let me know what is B/G router .
>>I am using wireless Router which I have bought from bell .
>>its about $68 , as I remember .
>>the brand is efficiant network, just let me know what do you mean by B/G ?
>>Border router / Gateway router ?
>>
>>
>>
>
>802.11b = 11Mb/sec. Network "Speed" (Carrier transmission 2.4GHz)
>802.11g = 54Mb/sec. Network "Speed" (Carrier transmission 2.4GHz)
>
>See http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Hardware.html for more info
>
>
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:28:44 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:28:44 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
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Linux does write on NTFS drives but it is not activated by default. You
have to recompile a kernel and specify that you want to write on NTFS.
Be careful, it is clearly indicated that it is not recommended. I do
not know neither why nor whether it is really unstable (I have never
tried this option).
However, if you really want to exchange some data between the 2 OSes and
want to play safe, there is an easy solution: create a FAT drive. I did
it and it works flawlessly.
Gilles
John Wildberger wrote:
>I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives on
>Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
>network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
>Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting I
>did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
>John
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:56:28 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:56:28 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
>
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
> to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
> of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
>
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
> Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
>
> Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
I'm on Rogers and get a good, fast connection. There are quite a few
stores in Toronto, that sell new & used gear.
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From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:56:55 2004
From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:56:55 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:40:42AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> > I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
> > to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> > recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
> > of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> > geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> > connection speeds? Customer service?
>
> I believe sympatico blocks port 25. I think rogers has their user IPs
> in most blackists for sending mail, so I guess that works about the same
> as blocking port 25.
Sympatico started blocking *incoming* smtp just over a year ago,
which is when I moved to eol.ca. They have blocked smtp coming
out of customer systems for many years. (Relaying outgoing
email through their server wasn't too much of a hardship and
even offloaded the queue and retry if the destination was
temporarily unaccessible, but blocking incoming smtp meant
that you can't run your own domain using a dynamic DNS service
to keep your IP address current and I have never had any use
for my ISP-provided email address except for receiving their
service info.)
Service from eol.ca has been fine, but I've only once had any
reason to call them in the past year so I don't have a large
history of interaction to rate them on (which is, of course,
a *good* thing). Like istop, they do not insist on you running
Windows before their service people will talk to you.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:02:59 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:02:59 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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Aaron Vegh wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:16:36 -0400, Michael Laccetti
> wrote:
>
>>I currently have Rogers 'Extreme' cable, which is a 5mbit/800k package.
>>Runs $44.95/mo. I have to admit, it's pretty damn spanky. Haven't had any
>>problems, and I run a whole bunch of things behind it (web/e-mail/db/...).
>
>
> I'm on Rogers too, but I don't know which "edition" I'm on, since they
> recently started offering "extreme" and "express" versions of the
> service. Funny thing is, they both cost $44.95/month, bu extreme
> offers 5 Mb, while express is 3 Mb (same as istop, it seems). Any way
> for me to tell which version I'm on?
If you bought your own modem, you're on extreme and get the greater
bandwidth.
>
> I really like the look of istop, because of their static IP. But
> again, because it's DSL, I don't know what kind of service to expect,
> because it depends on distance to the central Bell station, right? Any
> thoughts on that?
On Rogers, the IPs are virtually static and the host name is always
consistent, so even if your IP changes, you can still find it via DNS.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:08:36 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:08:36 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
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John Wildberger wrote:
> I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives on
> Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
> network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
> Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting I
> did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
> John
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Linux NTFS write is "experimental" i.e. flakey.
What you can do, is create a FAT32 partion and move your "My Documents"
folder to it. This way, both sides can share the data.
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From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 15:44:36 2004
From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:44:36 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
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On September 8, 2004 11:16 am, John Wildberger wrote:
> I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives
> on Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
> network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
> Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting
> I did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
> John
from the kernel help for version 2.4.27-gentoo-r1:
---
This enables the partial, but safe, write support in the NTFS driver.
The only supported operation is overwriting existing files, without changing
the file length. No file or directory creation, deletion or renaming is
possible. Note only non-resident files can be written to so you may find
that some very small files (<500 bytes or so) cannot be written to.
While we cannot guarantee that it will not damage any data, we have so far not
received a single report where the driver would have damaged someones data so
we assume it is perfectly safe to use.
Note: While write support is safe in this version (a rewrite from scratch of
the NTFS support), it should be noted that the old NTFS write support, is not
safe.
This is currently useful with TopologiLinux. TopologiLinux is run on top of
any DOS/Microsoft Windows system without partitioning your hard disk. Unlike
other Linux distributions TopologiLinux does not need its own partition. For
more information see
It is perfectly safe to say N here.
---
now note that this is version 2.4.27-gentoo-r1, i distinctly remember dire
warnings resembling "use this only if you want to corrupt your data" for
previous incarnations of the kernel, so use at your own risk.
as an alternative, a fat partition works for many. i use a separate
fileserver that runs samba, nfs, and netatalk so windows, linux, and mac
boxes can all get at the same files. it just depends on your network.
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you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; and you've got to put your
bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the
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people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the
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From Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:17:07 2004
From: Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org (Lance Nichols)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:17:07 -0400
Subject: (OT) VoIP
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Frank, I am running a VoIP gateway from Primus, assigned with a Edmonton phone
number to help keep in touch with friends and family back in Edmonton. Works
pretty good with my Rogers Cable connection and it is behind my Linksys
router, just try to avoid too many other bandwidth eating things at the same
time, such as VNCing to a dying computer owned by family while talking to
them....
Disadvantages include: you can't use modems on VoIP, so if you have to remote
to any systems via analog modem, keep an analog line. If you have a security
alarm that is monitored remotely that will not work either, so you require a
analog line for that as well.
That being said, I think Primus offers couple of good deals on DSL and VoIP if
both are available in your area. If you want to drop analog completely, there
might be savings by bundling DSL and VoIP from a provider.
Lance Nichols
Markham
On Tuesday 07 September 2004 22:20, Erebus wrote:
> Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
>
> Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work? I've
> been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue me, but
> don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank in Mississauga
> J F M
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From msh7-U2XT7ciQrQL3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:24:04 2004
From: msh7-U2XT7ciQrQL3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Michael Hong)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:24:04 -0400
Subject: firewire card
Message-ID: <20040908172404.GA2610@bach.mushy.xyz>
Hi,
I'm looking to buy a pci firewire card. Has anyone used this one
listed at Canada Computers, http://www.canadacomputers.com/io.html :
BT FireWire IEEE 1394A Card w/ software and cable (SD-FW) $28
It's about half the price of an Adaptec card but I can't find any
information on it at http://www.linux1394.org/ or anywhere. Does
anyone have this card, know what chipset is on it, or know if it will
work with linux?
Thank you,
Michael
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:46:29 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:46:29 -0400
Subject: (OT) VoIP
In-Reply-To: <200409081317.12572.Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908022009.838926D86A@lethe.ss.org> <200409081317.12572.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID: <413F4575.7070406@rogers.com>
Rogers is also planning on offering VoIP.
Lance Nichols wrote:
> Frank, I am running a VoIP gateway from Primus, assigned with a Edmonton phone
> number to help keep in touch with friends and family back in Edmonton. Works
> pretty good with my Rogers Cable connection and it is behind my Linksys
> router, just try to avoid too many other bandwidth eating things at the same
> time, such as VNCing to a dying computer owned by family while talking to
> them....
>
> Disadvantages include: you can't use modems on VoIP, so if you have to remote
> to any systems via analog modem, keep an analog line. If you have a security
> alarm that is monitored remotely that will not work either, so you require a
> analog line for that as well.
>
> That being said, I think Primus offers couple of good deals on DSL and VoIP if
> both are available in your area. If you want to drop analog completely, there
> might be savings by bundling DSL and VoIP from a provider.
>
> Lance Nichols
> Markham
>
> On Tuesday 07 September 2004 22:20, Erebus wrote:
>
>>Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
>>
>>Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work? I've
>>been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue me, but
>>don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Frank in Mississauga
>>J F M
>>jfrankmccarron-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
>>
>>---
>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>>Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004
>>
>>
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:32:22 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:32:22 -0400
Subject: firewire card
In-Reply-To: <20040908172404.GA2610-+bTYCzi3NQu377+mSgj3YA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908172404.GA2610@bach.mushy.xyz>
Message-ID: <20040908173222.GW8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 01:24:04PM -0400, Michael Hong wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a pci firewire card. Has anyone used this one
> listed at Canada Computers, http://www.canadacomputers.com/io.html :
>
> BT FireWire IEEE 1394A Card w/ software and cable (SD-FW) $28
>
> It's about half the price of an Adaptec card but I can't find any
> information on it at http://www.linux1394.org/ or anywhere. Does
> anyone have this card, know what chipset is on it, or know if it will
> work with linux?
I don't know that one, but almost all firewire chips are OHCI1394
compliant as far as I know. So it is likely to work, but if possible go
check the chipset first.
I have considered getting a firewire card, but think I will just go get
a new motherboard with dual channel ram and usb2.0 and firewire and
sata for about $120 instead. I will need new ram of course, but I can
also upgrade the cpu as well then. I am thinking the athlon 64s are
starting to look cheap enough to buy (socket 754 3400+ is decent).
This of course adds up to probably $800 in upgrades, which is why I
haven't done it yet, and which is why I don't have firewire yet. Every
upgrade is just a little more than the one you were looking at and then
you want just one more thing, etc... :)
Lennart Sorensen
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 18:21:13 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <20040908181717.GB1526-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, William Park wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Top 2 recommendable ISPs are
> - eol.ca -- dialup, DSL
EOL is actually Primus; they were bought over a year ago.
-Ralph
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 17:32:14 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: (OT) VoIP
In-Reply-To: <200409081317.12572.Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040908022009.838926D86A@lethe.ss.org>
<200409081317.12572.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID:
Primus US has the best deal; US$20/mth for unlimited north-america and
western europe calling. www.lingo.com
I'm planning to try out the service myself. I know they probably won't
ship to Canada, so I'll just use my Ogdensburg, NY address. For you
Toronto folks, I guess Niagara Falls, NY would be the closest.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Lance Nichols wrote:
> Frank, I am running a VoIP gateway from Primus, assigned with a Edmonton phone
> number to help keep in touch with friends and family back in Edmonton. Works
> pretty good with my Rogers Cable connection and it is behind my Linksys
> router, just try to avoid too many other bandwidth eating things at the same
> time, such as VNCing to a dying computer owned by family while talking to
> them....
>
> Disadvantages include: you can't use modems on VoIP, so if you have to remote
> to any systems via analog modem, keep an analog line. If you have a security
> alarm that is monitored remotely that will not work either, so you require a
> analog line for that as well.
>
> That being said, I think Primus offers couple of good deals on DSL and VoIP if
> both are available in your area. If you want to drop analog completely, there
> might be savings by bundling DSL and VoIP from a provider.
>
> Lance Nichols
> Markham
>
> On Tuesday 07 September 2004 22:20, Erebus wrote:
> > Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
> >
> > Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work? I've
> > been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue me, but
> > don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Frank in Mississauga
> > J F M
> > jfrankmccarron-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 9/6/2004
> >
> >
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> Book: Very specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzy around the area of
> kneecaps.
> ????????-Firefly, "War Stories"
>
>
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 18:17:17 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:17:17 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <1094650709.2545.36.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
>
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would
> like to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25?
> All of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're
> a geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
Top 2 recommendable ISPs are
- eol.ca -- dialup, DSL
- istop.com -- dialup, DSL (the owner is a member of this list)
They don't care what you run, and don't block any outgoing/incoming
ports (as far as I'm aware). Eol.ca is older than Istop.com.
I rarely speak to tech support, so can't really rate them. :-)
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer
> gear. Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
Used stuffs... you know that it's crap shoot, unless you know the
seller and his habits. For retail stores,
- www.pccanada.com (West end)
- www.infonec.com (East end, outside of Toronto but in GTA)
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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 18:58:49 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:58:49 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <20040908183551.GA1655-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <413F5669.6060000@istop.com>
Not because of my laziness - rather because I need a quick result.
There are a few companies on the market that dominate when it comes to
issuing SSL certificates for web servers. The best known example is
Verisign (with strong ties to Microsoft).
In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
zb.
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 18:35:51 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:35:51 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To:
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On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 02:21:13PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, William Park wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:38:29AM -0300, Tim Goodaire wrote:
> > Top 2 recommendable ISPs are
> > - eol.ca -- dialup, DSL
>
> EOL is actually Primus; they were bought over a year ago.
Oh, maybe that's why they moved to new location. Now, it seems they no
longer accept customers in their office, which I found rather curious.
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 18:14:18 2004
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:14:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040908181418.17569.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
--- Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be
> moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be
> attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
Congratulations on coming to the centre of the
(Canadian) universe. Though it should be noted that
last I heard there were some 300 people on the mailing
list, but a good meeting turnout will be on the order
of 50 or so people, thus you may not get chance to
meet us all (me? I'm at almost all the meetings so you
will likely see me...).
[snip]
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and
> used computer gear.
> Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and
> good prices.
Besides the shops on College Street west of Spadina
which others have (properly) praised, Above All on
Bloor Street and Active Surplus on Queen Street there
are a few other shops I would suggest.
- There is a cluster of shops on Victoria Park just
south of Steeles Avenue that I would recommend, places
like Sayal, Active Components and others are all
within a 10 minute walk of each other. These places
are great on individual parts, (like capacitors, ICs,
resistors, etc.), and weak on complete systems. Still,
if you like the smell of soldering flux this is a must
know about cluster of stores.
- Not as good for individual parts, but much handier
if your in the downtown is Supertronix, just a few
doors away Active Surplus on Queen Street.
- I have mixed feelings (in part because they are a
former employer) about MDG with several locations
around Toronto. If you know your PCs, are willing to
ask questions, you CAN get a GREAT deal from these
people on bare bones, basic PCs. If you don't know
what your doing, then stay away from these people.
> Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
- Well, if your also into Science Fiction then Bakka
Books on Yonge Street is a must know location
(Canada's oldest SF bookstore).
- Also in the science fiction area you should be aware
of the Merril Collection on College Street (not far
from the University of Toronto where TLUG meets and
the computer shops), one of the world's largest
publicly owned SF/Fantasy book collections.
- Also there is the Unix Unanimous group that meets
the 2nd Wednesday of every month (read tonight), info
on their meetings can be seen at
http://www.unixunanimous.org/ . The Unix Unanimous
crowd tends to be more server oriented plus they deal
with Solaris, FreeBSD, etc in addition to Linux. There
is only limited overlap between the the people at UU
and TLUG (I am one of the few that often does both
meetings), still I think they are good....
Stuff that isn't normally noted about TLUG is that
there is normally a group of TLUG people that have
diner together before the meeting, normally at Pho
Hung (a Vietnamese style place) on Spadina Ave., then
after the meetings many of the people at the meetings
will go out to a pub at the University of Toronto's
Graduate Student Union building.
As for Unix Unanimous after the meetings they go out
to Real Thailand (a Thai style place) on Bloor Street.
The UU crowd keeps going back to the same street
address after the meetings, so in the 10 years or so
that I have been (on and off) attending UU meetings
that one address has gone from a Greek to a Family to
now a Thai restaurant... This fixed diner place means
that on occasion there have been more people show at
the restaurant than attended the meeting proper...
Colin McGregor
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:21:56 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:21:56 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:14:18 -0400 (EDT), Colin McGregor
wrote:
> - Also there is the Unix Unanimous group that meets
> the 2nd Wednesday of every month (read tonight), info
> on their meetings can be seen at
> http://www.unixunanimous.org/ . The Unix Unanimous
Not to be outdone, there is also GTABUG which meets
on the third Tuesday of every month (IIRC) over pizza.
http://www.gtabug.ca
Specifically:
http://www.gtabug.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=36&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:39:04 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:39:04 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <20040908141640.9CCAD6D9E7@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <413F5FD8.30906@deeptown.org>
I would recommend the third computer store in this area, who has
definitely better prices than Sonnam,
and for some positions better prices than Canada Computers. It's Filtech
Computers.
They are located ~50 meters south of College by Spadina, if you will go
from south-east corner.
Their web-site is http://www.filtechcomputer.com
All the Best!
Sergey.
Michael Laccetti wrote:
>I currently have Rogers 'Extreme' cable, which is a 5mbit/800k package.
>Runs $44.95/mo. I have to admit, it's pretty damn spanky. Haven't had any
>problems, and I run a whole bunch of things behind it (web/e-mail/db/...).
>
>New computer gear, Canada Computers (www.canadacomputers.com) is good, and
>so is Sonnam (www.sonnam.com). Not always the best staff, but they are
>cheap, and carry most of the newest stuff, and even some arcane stuff (read:
>server related).
>
>Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tim Goodaire
>Sent: September 8, 2004 9:38 AM
>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>Subject: [TLUG]: Relocating to Toronto
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from Halifax
>around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG meetings, and look
>forward to meeting you all.
>
>I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like to
>know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks recommend. In
>particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All of the ISPs here
>in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a geek who wants to run
>their own mailserver at home. What about connection speeds? Customer
>service?
>
>Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer gear.
>Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
>
>Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
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From ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:39:35 2004
From: ralph-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ralph Doncaster)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:39:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <413F5669.6060000-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID:
Check out Comodo (www.enterprisessl.com).
If you look at the signing authority for the cert on
https://secure.istop.com you'll see that's who we use.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> Not because of my laziness - rather because I need a quick result.
>
> There are a few companies on the market that dominate when it comes to
> issuing SSL certificates for web servers. The best known example is
> Verisign (with strong ties to Microsoft).
>
> In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
> Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
> companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
>
> If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
> certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
> view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
> Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
>
> zb.
>
>
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:43:35 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:43:35 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <413F5669.6060000-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com>
Message-ID: <200409081543.35239.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
On September 8, 2004 02:58 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
> Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
> companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
Wow, Verisign really owns the marget. We use Thawte and have for a few years,
Thawte is also owned by Verisign. The advantage of Thawte over all the guys
you're mentioning is price ... 199 USD for a 1 year 128bit cert IIRC. I just
looked at Soltrus and saw a price of $1199 (perhaps CDN?, see
http://www.soltrus.com/english/products/gsid.html). Thawte also cuts you a
break at renewal time, I think it's 179 USD for renewals.
> If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
> certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
> view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
> Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
As long as common browsers (read vast majority) support the certificate
authority then there should be no difference from a user's perspective.
Tucows sells GeoTrust certificates (hopefully not Verisign owned) but they
appear to be slightly more expensive than Thawte, on the plus side Geotrust
appears to still offer wildcards certs which is a big plus if you want to
secure multiple names.
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:48:46 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:48:46 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20040908194936.56EEC6DA30@lethe.ss.org>
Yeah, we go through them as well.
If you don't need a commercial cert, try www.cacert.org. They're a pretty
handy service.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Doncaster
Sent: September 8, 2004 3:40 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: which SSL certificate for apache?
Check out Comodo (www.enterprisessl.com).
If you look at the signing authority for the cert on
https://secure.istop.com you'll see that's who we use.
Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
6042147 Canada Inc.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> Not because of my laziness - rather because I need a quick result.
>
> There are a few companies on the market that dominate when it comes to
> issuing SSL certificates for web servers. The best known example is
> Verisign (with strong ties to Microsoft).
>
> In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
> Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
> companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
>
> If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
> certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
> view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
> Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
>
> zb.
>
>
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 19:53:01 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:53:01 -0400
Subject: (OT) VoIP
In-Reply-To:
References: <20040908022009.838926D86A@lethe.ss.org> <200409081317.12572.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID: <413F631D.8090701@deeptown.org>
Does they provide SIP or H.323 termination?
All the Best!
Sergey.
Ralph Doncaster wrote:
>Primus US has the best deal; US$20/mth for unlimited north-america and
>western europe calling. www.lingo.com
>I'm planning to try out the service myself. I know they probably won't
>ship to Canada, so I'll just use my Ogdensburg, NY address. For you
>Toronto folks, I guess Niagara Falls, NY would be the closest.
>
>Ralph Doncaster, IStop.com president
>6042147 Canada Inc.
>
>On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Lance Nichols wrote:
>
>
>
>>Frank, I am running a VoIP gateway from Primus, assigned with a Edmonton phone
>>number to help keep in touch with friends and family back in Edmonton. Works
>>pretty good with my Rogers Cable connection and it is behind my Linksys
>>router, just try to avoid too many other bandwidth eating things at the same
>>time, such as VNCing to a dying computer owned by family while talking to
>>them....
>>
>>Disadvantages include: you can't use modems on VoIP, so if you have to remote
>>to any systems via analog modem, keep an analog line. If you have a security
>>alarm that is monitored remotely that will not work either, so you require a
>>analog line for that as well.
>>
>>That being said, I think Primus offers couple of good deals on DSL and VoIP if
>>both are available in your area. If you want to drop analog completely, there
>>might be savings by bundling DSL and VoIP from a provider.
>>
>>Lance Nichols
>>Markham
>>
>>On Tuesday 07 September 2004 22:20, Erebus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Just a quick question for my fellow TLUGers:
>>>
>>>Has anyone switched over to VoIP yet? If so, how well does it work? I've
>>>been reading up on it and the costs (and their lowness) intrigue me, but
>>>don't want to switch if the quality will drive the Mrs insane.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Frank in Mississauga
>>>J F M
>>>jfrankmccarron-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
>>>
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 16:55:36 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:55:36 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040908125536.17c43bca@pingu.opus>
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:38:29 -0300
Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
>
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would
> like to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25?
> All of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're
> a geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
>
> Also, I'm looking for a decent place to buy new and used computer
> gear. Preferably, some place with knowlegable staff, and good prices.
>
> Any other geeky recommendations would be great too!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
Welcome to Toronto / GTA.
For computers try here. I prefer, ICCT, Sonnam www.yesplay.com and
www.pccanada.com
http://www.torontopcstores.com/
For ISP try here. I use golden.net. Istop is good as well as Echo
on-line.
http://www.canadianisp.com/
HTH
John
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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 20:54:36 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:54:36 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <413E92CC.5090503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com>
<20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com>
<20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040908165436.66c8cc1f.joehill@sympatico.ca>
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:04:12 -0400
Byron L. Sonne disseminated the following:
> When I can buy a single CPU that runs at 96 GHz, let me know.
You could make your own:
http://www.beowulf.org/
You just need a couple dozen boxes with decent CPU's, and yer on yer way!
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:00:02 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:00:02 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
In-Reply-To: <1094654099.28641.16.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80> <413DC55C.4030409@canada.com> <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80> <413F162B.2050101@canada.com> <1094654099.28641.16.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <413F72D2.9010301@truxtar.com>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
If you have a backup copy of your bookmarks.html file, just copy it into
~ your profile directory. (~/.firefox/// or
~/.phoenix/...).
Or perhaps I missunderstood your situation...
Devin Whalen wrote:
| Thanks for the reply. I saw those two you mentioned. I am going to try
| to use the Bookmark Backup thing. Luckily, I had a backup of my
| bookmarks from 2 months ago so I didn't lose everything. The only thing
| is, installing the extensions is what caused the problem in the first
| place....but at least I know how to uninstall them from my preferences
| if firefox won't start :).
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GnuPG Key fingerprint =
5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:16:19 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:16:19 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
In-Reply-To: <413F72D2.9010301-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413DC55C.4030409@canada.com> <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413F162B.2050101@canada.com> <1094654099.28641.16.camel@192.168.1.80>
<413F72D2.9010301@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <1094678179.31077.536.camel@192.168.1.80>
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 17:00, Anton Markov wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> If you have a backup copy of your bookmarks.html file, just copy it into
> ~ your profile directory. (~/.firefox/// or
> ~/.phoenix/...).
>
> Or perhaps I missunderstood your situation...
>
Yeah, no, I did that. The problem was that it was a few months old :)
(but the original problem was that a firefox extension made my browser
unusable and I couldn't uninstall it.)
As a side note, Gilles was talking about an extension that backs up your
bookmarks every time you close down your browser that no longer seemed
to exist...well I found it just in case anyone is interested. It seems
the original site is down but if you go here:
http://software.s48.xrea.com/mozilla/index.php?Bookmark%20Backup#content_1_3
Just click on the bookmarkbackup.xpi link and it will install. The site
is not in English but it is pretty obvious what to click on :).
Later
> Devin Whalen wrote:
> | Thanks for the reply. I saw those two you mentioned. I am going to try
> | to use the Bookmark Backup thing. Luckily, I had a backup of my
> | bookmarks from 2 months ago so I didn't lose everything. The only thing
> | is, installing the extensions is what caused the problem in the first
> | place....but at least I know how to uninstall them from my preferences
> | if firefox won't start :).
>
>
> - --
> Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")>
>
> GnuPG Key fingerprint =
> 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4
>
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:27:13 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:27:13 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <20040908165436.66c8cc1f.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com> <20040908165436.66c8cc1f.joehill@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040908212713.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 04:54:36PM -0400, JoeHill wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:04:12 -0400
> Byron L. Sonne disseminated the following:
>
> > When I can buy a single CPU that runs at 96 GHz, let me know.
>
> You could make your own:
>
> http://www.beowulf.org/
>
> You just need a couple dozen boxes with decent CPU's, and yer on yer way!
Who's going to pay for the electrical power, heat/air conditioning,
circuit re-wiring, etc. ? This is insane. The only people who ever
talks about cluster is government entity or pre-IPO, neither of which is
spending their own money.
- You don't need cluster to do weather forecasting. Just go outside
and stick your fucking tongue out. All weather computing can be
done on a 486.
- You don't need cluster for space program.
- You don't need cluster for nuclear weapon research. Just get
enriched Uranium or Plutonium, and use your dick to separate the 2
halves of critical mass. Here, size count.
- You don't need cluster for number crunching. You already know \pi
is irrational number, and never need more than 6 significant
digits. Just get 2-GHz AMD64 this year, 4-GHz AMD64 next year,
8-GHz year after that.
Nobody spending their own money ever talk about cluster.
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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:40:03 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:40:03 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <20040908212713.GA2205-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com>
<20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com>
<20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
<20040908165436.66c8cc1f.joehill@sympatico.ca>
<20040908212713.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <20040908174003.1ffbf3fe.joehill@sympatico.ca>
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:27:13 -0400
William Park disseminated the following:
> Nobody spending their own money ever talk about cluster.
Nobody with sense of humour ever act like such a schmuck ;-)
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 21:41:26 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 17:41:26 -0400
Subject: Firefox Extensions
In-Reply-To: <1094678179.31077.536.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094566695.6694.4.camel@192.168.1.80> <413DC55C.4030409@canada.com> <1094575545.6694.63.camel@192.168.1.80> <413F162B.2050101@canada.com> <1094654099.28641.16.camel@192.168.1.80> <413F72D2.9010301@truxtar.com> <1094678179.31077.536.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <413F7C86.8080702@canada.com>
Super. Thanks a lot Devin.
Devin Whalen wrote:
>On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 17:00, Anton Markov wrote:
>
>
>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>Hash: SHA1
>>
>>If you have a backup copy of your bookmarks.html file, just copy it into
>>~ your profile directory. (~/.firefox/// or
>>~/.phoenix/...).
>>
>>Or perhaps I missunderstood your situation...
>>
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, no, I did that. The problem was that it was a few months old :)
>(but the original problem was that a firefox extension made my browser
>unusable and I couldn't uninstall it.)
>
>As a side note, Gilles was talking about an extension that backs up your
>bookmarks every time you close down your browser that no longer seemed
>to exist...well I found it just in case anyone is interested. It seems
>the original site is down but if you go here:
>http://software.s48.xrea.com/mozilla/index.php?Bookmark%20Backup#content_1_3
>
>Just click on the bookmarkbackup.xpi link and it will install. The site
>is not in English but it is pretty obvious what to click on :).
>
>
>Later
>
>
>
>
>>Devin Whalen wrote:
>>| Thanks for the reply. I saw those two you mentioned. I am going to try
>>| to use the Bookmark Backup thing. Luckily, I had a backup of my
>>| bookmarks from 2 months ago so I didn't lose everything. The only thing
>>| is, installing the extensions is what caused the problem in the first
>>| place....but at least I know how to uninstall them from my preferences
>>| if firefox won't start :).
>>
>>
>>- --
>>Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")>
>>
>>GnuPG Key fingerprint =
>>5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4
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From: littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (littleguru)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:36:05 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <200409081543.35239.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com> <200409081543.35239.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <413F8955.4080404@sympatico.ca>
You can check tucows also .
www.tucows.com
Fraser Campbell wrote:
>On September 8, 2004 02:58 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
>
>
>
>>In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
>>Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
>>companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
>>
>>
>
>Wow, Verisign really owns the marget. We use Thawte and have for a few years,
>Thawte is also owned by Verisign. The advantage of Thawte over all the guys
>you're mentioning is price ... 199 USD for a 1 year 128bit cert IIRC. I just
>looked at Soltrus and saw a price of $1199 (perhaps CDN?, see
>http://www.soltrus.com/english/products/gsid.html). Thawte also cuts you a
>break at renewal time, I think it's 179 USD for renewals.
>
>
>
>>If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
>>certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
>>view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
>>Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
>>
>>
>
>As long as common browsers (read vast majority) support the certificate
>authority then there should be no difference from a user's perspective.
>
>Tucows sells GeoTrust certificates (hopefully not Verisign owned) but they
>appear to be slightly more expensive than Thawte, on the plus side Geotrust
>appears to still offer wildcards certs which is a big plus if you want to
>secure multiple names.
>
>
>
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From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 23:55:56 2004
From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:55:56 -0700
Subject: computer chair , as in seat
Message-ID:
Any suggests on an inexpensive , computer chair ?
Currently , I am looking at purchasing
Raynor Patriot Multifunction Task Chair
as everything cheaper is listed as being for less than three hours
a day at a computer , and thinking of buying from Office Depot as
I have a 20$ coupon . Still 20$ ~ covers the tax on this 180$+tax
chair . I use a kneeing chair myself , but this is for my mom .
Thanks ,
Lloyd
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 00:01:06 2004
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:01:06 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <413E92CC.5090503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
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Byron L. Sonne wrote:
|> No, it is _always_ all about bottlenecks.
|
| Feh; word play.
|
| Anyways, clearly I know nothing of what I talk about.
Actually the problem seems to be that you have assumed that we know
things you haven't talked about. You initially asked for hardware advice
without describing the problem you're trying to address. You asked for
the "Most Bang for the Buck", and in the general case that is definately
not SMP. Faster memory and more of it, as Chris mentioned earlier, is
usually the cheapest way to get some bang on a typical workstation.
| Thankfully the
| assorted math and cryptanalysis routines I run on occasion aren't as
| dumb as I am.
This is the first time in this thread that you've mentioned what you're
trying to do with this hardware. You're still not providing anywhere
enough detail for us to give you a detailed response. What kind of math
are you doing? Does it involve manipulating large sets of data? Or
really big numbers? Are you working with integers or floats? Are you
dealing with matricies? What libraries are you using?
Profiling your existing system using vmstat, as Ralph suggested earlier
in the thread, and posting the results would provide at least something
to work with.
Explicit details about the kind of problems you're trying to solve will
get you relevant answers. Vague, newbie questions about "nifty" stuff,
such as an SMP box recently featured on Slashdot, will get you the kind
of answers you've recieved so far in this thread. Smartass comments
dirrected at people who are donating their often valuable time in an
honest attempt to help you out will get you ignored.
| When I can buy a single CPU that runs at 96 GHz, let me know.
When the performance of 96 1GHz CPUs in an SMP box approaches that of a
single 96 GHz CPU, let me know. I have to go with the ascerbic Mr. Park
when he says "If you have to ask about SMP then you don't need it". And
I'll go even further to say that you probably don't want it either since
it's more expensive, more complicated and more noisy.
If it's the case that you want SMP instead of needing it then that's
clearly something different. If so, you should make it clear that you're
looking for a cool toy to play with instead of a tool to solve a
particular problem.
Finally, you haven't said anything about budget, and none of this stuff
is free. Those nice Celestica boxes come in at about $15k but I'll warn
you, they're anything but quiet. :)
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From littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 00:25:13 2004
From: littleguru-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (littleguru)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:25:13 -0400
Subject: computer chair , as in seat
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <413FA2E9.1050005@sympatico.ca>
I got executive chair from staple about $99+tax
Lloyd D Budd wrote:
> Any suggests on an inexpensive , computer chair ?
>
> Currently , I am looking at purchasing
> Raynor Patriot Multifunction Task Chair
> level=SK&id=363891&location_info=SG_2_CT_803_SC_803015_SK_363891>
> as everything cheaper is listed as being for less than three hours
> a day at a computer , and thinking of buying from Office Depot as
> I have a 20$ coupon . Still 20$ ~ covers the tax on this 180$+tax
> chair . I use a kneeing chair myself , but this is for my mom .
>
> Thanks ,
> Lloyd
>
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Sep 8 20:29:59 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:29:59 +0200
Subject: konq opens at logon
Message-ID: <413F6BC7.10701@onlink.net>
I run knoppix 3.3.
Every time I log on Konqueror opens and tries to load /cdrom/index.html.
So, I get the following error:
Error - Konqueror
Unable to run command specified. The file or directory file:
/cdrom/index.html does not exist.
I checked the home URL and it is only ~. So, Konqueror is configured (or
KDE is configured) to go looking for that file on logon. How can I get
rid of this? i tried removing the ~ (tilde for home directory) anyway
and, of course, it made no difference.
Chris
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From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 02:42:55 2004
From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:42:55 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <413F5669.6060000-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com>
Message-ID: <413FC32F.90802@almatau.com>
Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> Not because of my laziness - rather because I need a quick result.
>
> There are a few companies on the market that dominate when it comes to
> issuing SSL certificates for web servers. The best known example is
> Verisign (with strong ties to Microsoft).
>
> In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
> Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for Canadian
> companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
>
> If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
> certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point of
> view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
> Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
Check www.thawte.com They should be cheaper than Verisign.
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From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 02:45:51 2004
From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:45:51 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <20040908165655.GA17678-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908154042.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040908165655.GA17678@lupus.perlwolf.com>
Message-ID: <413FC3DF.40808@almatau.com>
John Macdonald wrote:
...
>
> Sympatico started blocking *incoming* smtp just over a year ago,
> which is when I moved to eol.ca. They have blocked smtp coming
> out of customer systems for many years. (Relaying outgoing
> email through their server wasn't too much of a hardship and
> even offloaded the queue and retry if the destination was
> temporarily unaccessible, but blocking incoming smtp meant
> that you can't run your own domain using a dynamic DNS service
> to keep your IP address current and I have never had any use
> for my ISP-provided email address except for receiving their
> service info.)
Actually, you can. It's what I'm doing. But you need smtp forwarding
service, which is not free (I'm using easydns.com). It's useful in any
case for dynamic IP users.
...
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 03:14:30 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:14:30 -0400
Subject: konq opens at logon
In-Reply-To: <413F6BC7.10701-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <413F6BC7.10701@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <4386c5b20409082014721d06f0@mail.gmail.com>
Did you install Knoppix correctly? Sounds like you simply copied the
CD files onto the harddrive.
Under the Knoppix GUI environment, there's an application that allows
you to create a Knoppix install on your hard drive. That version
doesn't rely on the CD being installed, like the LiveCD version.
Good luck!
Aaron.
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:29:59 +0200, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I run knoppix 3.3.
>
> Every time I log on Konqueror opens and tries to load /cdrom/index.html.
> So, I get the following error:
>
> Error - Konqueror
> Unable to run command specified. The file or directory file:
> /cdrom/index.html does not exist.
>
> I checked the home URL and it is only ~. So, Konqueror is configured (or
> KDE is configured) to go looking for that file on logon. How can I get
> rid of this? i tried removing the ~ (tilde for home directory) anyway
> and, of course, it made no difference.
>
> Chris
>
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 03:44:51 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:44:51 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
Message-ID: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b@mail.gmail.com>
Hi there,
I have a Compaq Deskpro (Celeron 500) running as my home server. I've
lately been running it headless -- no monitor, no keyboard or mouse --
and shelling in to do any maintenance. Since it's been up for weeks, I
haven't thought twice about it, till tonight when we had a power
failure. That's when I realized that the box won't reboot unless it's
got a keyboard plugged in.
is there a way to disable that requirement, in the BIOS, for example?
Thanks,
Aaron.
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 03:56:00 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> ...That's when I realized that the box won't reboot unless it's
> got a keyboard plugged in.
> is there a way to disable that requirement, in the BIOS, for example?
Depends on the BIOS. Many BIOSes can be told to disregard the lack of a
keyboard -- that's what usually gets them in a snit about this -- but some
can't be.
Henry Spencer
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From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:02:41 2004
From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:02:41 -0700
Subject: computer chair , as in seat
In-Reply-To: <413FA2E9.1050005-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <413FA2E9.1050005@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <18ED014E-0215-11D9-A6AB-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com>
On 8-Sep-04, at 17:25, littleguru wrote:
> I got executive chair from staple about $99+tax
>
> Lloyd D Budd wrote:
>
>> Any suggests on an inexpensive , computer chair ?
I looked @ some executive chairs , but the ones in that ,
and my price range , do not seem to be recommended
for extended computing (ie > 3 hrs) .
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From ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:19:49 2004
From: ronjscott-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Ron Scott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:19:49 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
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References: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413FD9E5.1040601@sympatico.ca>
Hi:
Just checked my Compaq Deskpro 500 Mhz and my Deskpro 733 Mhz and was
surprised to find neither computer has a BIOS setting to set keyboard to
be not present.
Ron
Aaron Vegh wrote:
> Hi there,
> I have a Compaq Deskpro (Celeron 500) running as my home server. I've
> lately been running it headless -- no monitor, no keyboard or mouse --
> and shelling in to do any maintenance. Since it's been up for weeks, I
> haven't thought twice about it, till tonight when we had a power
> failure. That's when I realized that the box won't reboot unless it's
> got a keyboard plugged in.
>
> is there a way to disable that requirement, in the BIOS, for example?
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron.
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 05:24:40 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 01:24:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
In-Reply-To: <200409070003.31324.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409070003.31324.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> I'm interested in buying the book "Program Development in Java: Abstraction,
> Specification, and Object-Oriented Design.". It's published by Addison
> Wesley, 2001. Author is Barbara Liskov.
> Unfortunately it's $85.99 and I don't like the idea of buying it without being
> able to browse the book first...
Technical books a few years old can be hard to find on a retail shelf.
Try the University of Toronto bookstore (College & St. George -- but they
may be just a wee bit busy now since it's textbook time) or the World's
Biggest Bookstore (just off Yonge a block above Dundas). The former is
not as good as it used to be but it's still useful; the latter has a lot
of junk but also a fair number of decent books.
Alternatively, bear in mind that you can browse books in libraries. The
U of T Engineering and Computer Science library is fairly well stocked,
and although you need a university connection to borrow from it, anyone
can come in and browse in the stacks.
Henry Spencer
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 05:30:30 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 01:30:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To:
References:
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
> That's the normal Sept back-to-school slowdown. Traffic on much of the
> North-American internet can double this time of the year.
Or as we used to say on Usenet, every September there's another barbarian
invasion... :-)
Henry Spencer
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From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 05:37:34 2004
From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron L. Sonne)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:37:34 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <413F9D42.1020501-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com> <413F9D42.1020501@ca.afilias.info>
Message-ID: <413FEC1E.2040502@rogers.com>
> You asked for the "Most Bang for the Buck"
When it came to dual SMP motherboards and CPUs! That's all... I wasn't
asking for the underlying analysis that begat this whole question of
mine to be criticized. Otherwise I would have said "Most bang for the
buck; should I go SMP or not, and why?" That's the main damn reason I
didn't volunteer any information. I figured if I did, people would tell
me 'go run some stats program, check your configuration and report back
your findings, you don't need SMP'.
It would seem that perhaps there were thoughts where it was assumed I
wanted SMP for some specious or idiotic reason of some kind, and it was
someone's duty to talk me out of it. Either that or it was interepreted
as an occasion for people to hop on the soapbox and show how smart they
are. Both of which I hoped to avoid, but it seems found me anyways.
This is not to say that there weren't useful or amusing replies! Lennart
came across well as usual, and William Park's response was hilarious!
(btw William, now you can say that someone spending their own money is
talking about a cluster ;) Which brings me to a secondary and minor
concern; I didn't particularly want people to know that I was
investigating assembling a cluster. Strange things happen and strange
people come out of the woodwork unbidden when cries of 'Cluster!'
reverberate through the air...
I'm not as cranky right now as I probably come across as, but I just got
done dealing with some clown on another list and I'm kinda exasperated.
Regards,
Byron
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 04:17:26 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:17:26 +0200
Subject: konq opens at logon
In-Reply-To: <4386c5b20409082014721d06f0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <413FD956.9090205@onlink.net>
Aaron Vegh wrote:
>Did you install Knoppix correctly?
>
Yes, I've been happily using the OS for the past few weeks on my
production machine.
> Sounds like you simply copied the
>CD files onto the harddrive.
>
>
No.
>Under the Knoppix GUI environment, there's an application that allows
>you to create a Knoppix install on your hard drive. That version
>doesn't rely on the CD being installed, like the LiveCD version.
>
>
Yeah, it's 'knoppix-installer' (was 'knx-hdinstall'). There must be a
startup script that is still pointing to the help file on the CD even
though I've installed the OS to hard disk.
Chris
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 11:25:20 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:25:20 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
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Message-ID: <20040909112520.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:44:51PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> Hi there,
> I have a Compaq Deskpro (Celeron 500) running as my home server. I've
> lately been running it headless -- no monitor, no keyboard or mouse --
> and shelling in to do any maintenance. Since it's been up for weeks, I
> haven't thought twice about it, till tonight when we had a power
> failure. That's when I realized that the box won't reboot unless it's
> got a keyboard plugged in.
>
> is there a way to disable that requirement, in the BIOS, for example?
On many machines there is. Usually called 'stop on errors' (set to
none), or keyboardless operation, or something like that. Some dumb
desktop machines from some stupid name brand companies don't allow it
though, and a few stupid servers have even not allowed it in the past.
Lennart Sorensen
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 01:50:05 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To:
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040908140707.GA25025@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <200409081035.36985.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
>
>> Have you noticed a significant slowdown in the last week? I used to always
>> get the speeds you mention from Debian mirror sites but lately it's been
>> 125KB/s and sometimes much worse.
>
> That's the normal Sept back-to-school slowdown. Traffic on much of the
> North-American internet can double this time of the year.
Nice answer! ;-) Is there a study or a website about such correlations
that you would like to share on the list ?
thanks,
Peter
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From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 12:56:25 2004
From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:56:25 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <413FC32F.90802-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com> <413FC32F.90802@almatau.com>
Message-ID: <414052F9.2070305@detachednetworks.ca>
Ilya Palagin wrote:
> Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
>
>> Not because of my laziness - rather because I need a quick result.
>>
>> There are a few companies on the market that dominate when it comes
>> to issuing SSL certificates for web servers. The best known example
>> is Verisign (with strong ties to Microsoft).
>>
>> In Canada, there is http://www.soltrus.com - partially owned by
>> Verisign. AFAIK Verisign prefers if that sort of business for
>> Canadian companies is done rather through Soltrus, not through them.
>>
>> If anybody would like to elaborate on this: where to buy SSL
>> certificates? Where is it cheapest? Which are "best" from the point
>> of view of usual web users? What I need is a certificate with which
>> Canadian banks will have no problem as well.
>
>
> Check www.thawte.com They should be cheaper than Verisign.
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www.godaddy.com
$29.95 USD
https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/ssl/ssl.asp?isc=&se=%2B&from%5Fapp=&rhl=nv%5Fweb%5Fcerts%5F%2Fdefault
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 13:00:00 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:00:00 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <414052F9.2070305-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net>
<20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net>
<413F5669.6060000@istop.com> <413FC32F.90802@almatau.com>
<414052F9.2070305@detachednetworks.ca>
Message-ID: <4386c5b204090906006cb12f2e@mail.gmail.com>
> www.godaddy.com
>
> $29.95 USD
woah.Can anyone confirm the compatibility of this cert?
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 13:40:57 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:40:57 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To:
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Message-ID: <41405D69.8010903@rogers.com>
Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> Have you noticed a significant slowdown in the last week? I used to
>>> always
>>> get the speeds you mention from Debian mirror sites but lately it's been
>>> 125KB/s and sometimes much worse.
>>
>>
>> That's the normal Sept back-to-school slowdown. Traffic on much of the
>> North-American internet can double this time of the year.
>
>
> Nice answer! ;-) Is there a study or a website about such correlations
> that you would like to share on the list ?
I have often noticed a slowdown, around the time kids get home from school.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 13:51:47 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:51:47 -0400
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <41405FF3.2010203@rogers.com>
Henry Spencer wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
>
>>I'm interested in buying the book "Program Development in Java: Abstraction,
>>Specification, and Object-Oriented Design.". It's published by Addison
>>Wesley, 2001. Author is Barbara Liskov.
>>Unfortunately it's $85.99 and I don't like the idea of buying it without being
>>able to browse the book first...
>
>
> Technical books a few years old can be hard to find on a retail shelf.
> Try the University of Toronto bookstore (College & St. George -- but they
> may be just a wee bit busy now since it's textbook time) or the World's
> Biggest Bookstore (just off Yonge a block above Dundas). The former is
> not as good as it used to be but it's still useful; the latter has a lot
> of junk but also a fair number of decent books.
>
> Alternatively, bear in mind that you can browse books in libraries. The
> U of T Engineering and Computer Science library is fairly well stocked,
> and although you need a university connection to borrow from it, anyone
> can come in and browse in the stacks.
Another possibility would be those book clearance stores, such as PC
Maniac. I've bought books newer than that from them.
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:04:37 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:04:37 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: <41405F2F.2070605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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<413FD9E5.1040601@sympatico.ca> <41405F2F.2070605@rogers.com>
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I just got around to checking my Deskpro 500. No option!
I guess the best option is to get a cheapo keyboard to plug into it.
:-P Inelegant.
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:48:31 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> Ron Scott wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > Just checked my Compaq Deskpro 500 Mhz and my Deskpro 733 Mhz and was
> > surprised to find neither computer has a BIOS setting to set keyboard to
> > be not present.
>
> My ThinkPad doesn't have that setting either. ;-)
>
> Hovever, all my desktop systems do.
>
>
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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:11:03 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:11:03 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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<20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com>
<20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com>
<413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
<20040908165436.66c8cc1f.joehill@sympatico.ca>
<20040908212713.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net>
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:27:13 -0400
William Park disseminated the following:
> - You don't need cluster to do weather forecasting. Just go outside
> and stick your fucking tongue out. All weather computing can be
> done on a 486.
>
> - You don't need cluster for space program.
>
> - You don't need cluster for nuclear weapon research. Just get
> enriched Uranium or Plutonium, and use your dick to separate the 2
> halves of critical mass. Here, size count.
Okay, I take back what I said. That's pretty f'n funny, William. I should read
more carefully in the future, it seems you do have a sense of humour, and a
pretty edgy one at that. Love it.
I really wasn't suggesting he 'cluster', that was just 'kidding around', though
nowhere near as funny as your response :-D
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:19:14 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:19:14 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
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Maybe it's a Compaq thing. My current desktops are an ASUS mom board
white box, an IBM and a Dell. I've had other computers, as well, which
I've used with my KVM, where I had that setting.
I've come across other interesting "features" in Compaq gear.
Aaron Vegh wrote:
> I just got around to checking my Deskpro 500. No option!
>
> I guess the best option is to get a cheapo keyboard to plug into it.
> :-P Inelegant.
>
>
> On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:48:31 -0400, James Knott wrote:
>
>>Ron Scott wrote:
>>
>>>Hi:
>>>
>>>Just checked my Compaq Deskpro 500 Mhz and my Deskpro 733 Mhz and was
>>>surprised to find neither computer has a BIOS setting to set keyboard to
>>>be not present.
>>
>>My ThinkPad doesn't have that setting either. ;-)
>>
>>Hovever, all my desktop systems do.
>>
>>
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From arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:22:24 2004
From: arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:22:24 -0400
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
Message-ID: <20040909142224.LNPO954.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net>
"Music & Books" at Agincourt Mall, Kennedy & Sheppard in Scarborough, has a huge selection (the entire back-wall +) of computer books. The store only sells older publications and the prices are discounted well below the original retail listings. I've seen numerous Java books amongst many other topics. Might be worth a trip.
>
> From: Henry Spencer
> Date: 2004/09/09 Thu AM 01:24:40 EST
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > I'm interested in buying the book "Program Development in Java: Abstraction,
> > Specification, and Object-Oriented Design.". It's published by Addison
> > Wesley, 2001. Author is Barbara Liskov.
> > Unfortunately it's $85.99 and I don't like the idea of buying it without being
> > able to browse the book first...
>
> Technical books a few years old can be hard to find on a retail shelf.
> Try the University of Toronto bookstore (College & St. George -- but they
> may be just a wee bit busy now since it's textbook time) or the World's
> Biggest Bookstore (just off Yonge a block above Dundas). The former is
> not as good as it used to be but it's still useful; the latter has a lot
> of junk but also a fair number of decent books.
>
> Alternatively, bear in mind that you can browse books in libraries. The
> U of T Engineering and Computer Science library is fairly well stocked,
> and although you need a university connection to borrow from it, anyone
> can come in and browse in the stacks.
>
> Henry Spencer
> henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org
>
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 13:48:31 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:48:31 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
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Ron Scott wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Just checked my Compaq Deskpro 500 Mhz and my Deskpro 733 Mhz and was
> surprised to find neither computer has a BIOS setting to set keyboard to
> be not present.
My ThinkPad doesn't have that setting either. ;-)
Hovever, all my desktop systems do.
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:28:02 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:28:02 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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<413F9D42.1020501@ca.afilias.info>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:01:06 -0400, Andrew Hammond
wrote:
> Profiling your existing system using vmstat, as Ralph suggested earlier
> in the thread, and posting the results would provide at least something
> to work with.
Someone mentioned early on regarding OLD SMP systems versus a NEW uniprocessor,
which is of course entirely specious. Something that vmstat will NOT
tell you (unless
it does much more than meets the eye) is how much memory and cache latency
are affecting your program's performance. My G4 800MHz (7451, PC-133,
64/256/1024k L1/2/3) PowerBook beat my friend's G4 867MHz (7455, PC-266,
64/256/0k L1/2/3) PowerBook by a good 5-10% on a neural nets homework
assignment we had. I'm pretty sure that the entire program itself,
and probably a good
chunk of the dataset fit inside my L3 cache, leading directly to the
lion's share of that
bonus.
Not that you have the choice in cache these days like you used to.
But if you're doing
cryptanalysis work with relatively small datasets and small codesize,
I'd place bets
on bigger caches which are able to entirely contain your work having a
positive impact
on speed.
I also hear that the newer Pentium (Pentium4, at least) chips have
moved away from
doing bit operations in hardware, and instead perform them (at a cost)
via microcode.
That might be why my Pentium4-M 1.8GHz laptop gets is ass kicked by my Duron 1G
when it comes to compiling.
So, if you're looking for bang-for-buck for a very specific set of
applications, I'd suggest
that you find people or stores who are willing to let you run some
test programs, and see
exactly how well the hardware performs in the REAL world, with YOUR workload.
BTW, I'll have to remember that one doesn't need a cluster to do nuclear weapons
research. ;)
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:03:48 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:03:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: konq opens at logon
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Message-ID:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> Did you install Knoppix correctly? Sounds like you simply copied the
> CD files onto the harddrive.
>
> Under the Knoppix GUI environment, there's an application that allows
> you to create a Knoppix install on your hard drive. That version
> doesn't rely on the CD being installed, like the LiveCD version.
That install did not alter the home page for me. It had o be done by hand
in the konq properties afair (start page setting)
Peter
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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:44:03 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:44:03 -0400
Subject: Telling kudzu to ignore something
Message-ID: <41406C33.8080801@alteeve.com>
Hi all,
The joys of having a laptop! I have Fedora Core 2 installed and
recently I added a printer through my docking station and a wireless
PCMCIA card. On boot kudzu kept wanting to remove the printer if the
laptop wasn't docked and the wireless card because kudzu ran before the
pcmcia services. For now I have simply disabled kudzu from running at
boot which is fine but it started me wondering: is there a way to tell
Kudzu to ignore specific missing hardware when it runs?
Madison
PS - I am sure I could have changed the start order and put kudzu after
pcmcia but I was too lazy... :p
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From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 14:51:39 2004
From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:51:39 -0400
Subject: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
Message-ID: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
Any suggestions where I might find a fast/wide SCSI-2 disk? I'm looking
to boost disk space on an old Sun Ultra-1 to have enough room to install
a workable version of Linux (or maybe Solaris 9) -- the current drive is
only 1G, and there must be a place to go for (say) a 4.9G old scsi disk.
But I don't know where that is. Does anyone?
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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:10:54 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:10:54 -0400
Subject: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
In-Reply-To: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
References: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
Message-ID: <4140727E.1090303@alteeve.com>
I don't know what capacities they have but when I was in there last week
Above All had some SCSI disks. I am pretty sure they were SCSI-2. Their
number is 416-588-8119.
Madison
Peter King wrote:
> Any suggestions where I might find a fast/wide SCSI-2 disk? I'm looking
> to boost disk space on an old Sun Ultra-1 to have enough room to install
> a workable version of Linux (or maybe Solaris 9) -- the current drive is
> only 1G, and there must be a place to go for (say) a 4.9G old scsi disk.
>
> But I don't know where that is. Does anyone?
>
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:19:15 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:19:15 -0400
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200409091119.16220.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
On September 9, 2004 01:24 am, Henry Spencer wrote:
> Technical books a few years old can be hard to find on a retail shelf.
> Try the University of Toronto bookstore (College & St. George -- but they
> may be just a wee bit busy now since it's textbook time) or the World's
I tried a search on their online bookstore so I don't think they have it.
> Alternatively, bear in mind that you can browse books in libraries. The
> U of T Engineering and Computer Science library is fairly well stocked,
> and although you need a university connection to borrow from it, anyone
> can come in and browse in the stacks.
Great idea, I'll keep it in mind next time.
Thanks
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:23:51 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:23:51 -0400
Subject: OT: Book wanted (Program Development in Java)
In-Reply-To: <20040909142224.LNPO954.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net-GWWKLdnxQps/MCZexUuWkuTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040909142224.LNPO954.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net>
Message-ID: <200409091123.51227.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
On September 9, 2004 10:22 am, arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> "Music & Books" at Agincourt Mall, Kennedy & Sheppard in Scarborough, has a
> huge selection (the entire back-wall +) of computer books. The store only
> sells older publications and the prices are discounted well below the
> original retail listings. I've seen numerous Java books amongst many other
> topics. Might be worth a trip.
Cool, I will try and check them out tonight. I was surprised at the lack of
discount book outlets when I was in the city on Monday, it used to be that
you'd see one every block now they're few and far between.
I did check out PC Maniac in Mississauga yesterday and called the Toronto
store, no luck for me. PC Maniac doesn't get any books from Addison Wesley
unfortunately but they have a good selection or O'Reilly, New Rider, McGraw
Hill and others.
I ordered the book that I'm after through Indigo, they have a decent return
policy so if it turns out to be complete crap I won't have to keep it.
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:48:26 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: <20040909112520.GX8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040909112520.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On many machines there is. Usually called 'stop on errors' (set to
> none), or keyboardless operation, or something like that. Some dumb
> desktop machines from some stupid name brand companies don't allow it
> though, and a few stupid servers have even not allowed it in the past.
If one is willing to spend money on dealing with such stupidity, there is
(or was -- haven't kept current) at least one company that sells a little
widget that plugs into a keyboard port and pretends to be a keyboard,
precisely to convince stupid BIOSes that there really is one there.
Henry Spencer
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:49:06 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:49:06 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040909154906.GA637@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:44:51PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> Hi there,
> I have a Compaq Deskpro (Celeron 500) running as my home server. I've
> lately been running it headless -- no monitor, no keyboard or mouse --
> and shelling in to do any maintenance. Since it's been up for weeks, I
> haven't thought twice about it, till tonight when we had a power
> failure. That's when I realized that the box won't reboot unless it's
> got a keyboard plugged in.
>
> is there a way to disable that requirement, in the BIOS, for example?
Retail motherboard usually has BIOS option to disregard any/all errors
on boot. But, brand-name machines... depends on the makes.
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:58:01 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:58:01 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20040909155807.CC93C6D8A9@lethe.ss.org>
I have a few machines sitting in my office that I generally only
shell/RDP/VNC to. Of course, the contractors have been randomly working on
the house I live in, and the power outages were starting to drive me insane.
Hated having to grab the keyboard and monitor cables, go digging behind the
stacks to plug them in. I just invested in a KVM, and have been using that
to take care of everything since then.
________________________________
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Henry
Spencer
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:48 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: running a server headless/keyboardless?
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On many machines there is. Usually called 'stop on errors' (set to
> none), or keyboardless operation, or something like that. Some dumb
> desktop machines from some stupid name brand companies don't allow it
> though, and a few stupid servers have even not allowed it in the past.
If one is willing to spend money on dealing with such stupidity, there is
(or was -- haven't kept current) at least one company that sells a little
widget that plugs into a keyboard port and pretends to be a keyboard,
precisely to convince stupid BIOSes that there really is one there.
Henry Spencer
henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 15:59:15 2004
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:59:15 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <413FEC1E.2040502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com> <413F9D42.1020501@ca.afilias.info> <413FEC1E.2040502@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <41407DD3.6090506@ca.afilias.info>
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Byron L. Sonne wrote:
| > You asked for the "Most Bang for the Buck"
|
| When it came to dual SMP motherboards and CPUs! That's all... I wasn't
| asking for the underlying analysis that begat this whole question of
| mine to be criticized. Otherwise I would have said "Most bang for the
| buck; should I go SMP or not, and why?" That's the main damn reason I
| didn't volunteer any information. I figured if I did, people would tell
| me 'go run some stats program, check your configuration and report back
| your findings, you don't need SMP'.
Ok, now we're clear. Personally, I'd wait until AMD releases the dual
core Opteron CPUs and see what the price on them is compared to single
core. You might be able to do a dual core cpu on a single socket 940 mb
for less than a two single cores on a dual socket 940 mb. And since
there's only one chip to cool, you could probably do it quieter that way
too.
| It would seem that perhaps there were thoughts where it was assumed I
| wanted SMP for some specious or idiotic reason of some kind, and it was
| someone's duty to talk me out of it. Either that or it was interepreted
| as an occasion for people to hop on the soapbox and show how smart they
| are.
On this list?!
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:03:38 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:03:38 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <413FEC1E.2040502-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com> <20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com> <20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com> <413F9D42.1020501@ca.afilias.info> <413FEC1E.2040502@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040909160338.GB637@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 01:37:34AM -0400, Byron L. Sonne wrote:
> This is not to say that there weren't useful or amusing replies! Lennart
> came across well as usual, and William Park's response was hilarious!
> (btw William, now you can say that someone spending their own money is
> talking about a cluster ;) Which brings me to a secondary and minor
> concern; I didn't particularly want people to know that I was
> investigating assembling a cluster. Strange things happen and strange
> people come out of the woodwork unbidden when cries of 'Cluster!'
> reverberate through the air...
I have 8-cpu dual-P3/600MHz cluster collecting dust, when I should be
driving new car. So, what would you like to know?
If you're experimenting, then use a spare computer (if not, get an used
computer), use that and your current machine as 2 node experiment. If
that goes well, then move forward. If not, no harm done.
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:01:58 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:01:58 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20040909160205.2208F6DA04@lethe.ss.org>
P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of their
extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20 stages, perhaps
even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a short
pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My Pentium M 1.7
competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation times, the
only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite a bit
slower than the workstation.
________________________________
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of The Edge of
the Ice
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:28 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:01:06 -0400, Andrew Hammond
wrote:
> Profiling your existing system using vmstat, as Ralph suggested earlier
> in the thread, and posting the results would provide at least something
> to work with.
Someone mentioned early on regarding OLD SMP systems versus a NEW
uniprocessor,
which is of course entirely specious. Something that vmstat will NOT
tell you (unless
it does much more than meets the eye) is how much memory and cache latency
are affecting your program's performance. My G4 800MHz (7451, PC-133,
64/256/1024k L1/2/3) PowerBook beat my friend's G4 867MHz (7455, PC-266,
64/256/0k L1/2/3) PowerBook by a good 5-10% on a neural nets homework
assignment we had. I'm pretty sure that the entire program itself,
and probably a good
chunk of the dataset fit inside my L3 cache, leading directly to the
lion's share of that
bonus.
Not that you have the choice in cache these days like you used to.
But if you're doing
cryptanalysis work with relatively small datasets and small codesize,
I'd place bets
on bigger caches which are able to entirely contain your work having a
positive impact
on speed.
I also hear that the newer Pentium (Pentium4, at least) chips have
moved away from
doing bit operations in hardware, and instead perform them (at a cost)
via microcode.
That might be why my Pentium4-M 1.8GHz laptop gets is ass kicked by my Duron
1G
when it comes to compiling.
So, if you're looking for bang-for-buck for a very specific set of
applications, I'd suggest
that you find people or stores who are willing to let you run some
test programs, and see
exactly how well the hardware performs in the REAL world, with YOUR
workload.
BTW, I'll have to remember that one doesn't need a cluster to do nuclear
weapons
research. ;)
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:14:05 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:14:05 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <20040909160205.2208F6DA04-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References:
<20040909160205.2208F6DA04@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:01:58 -0400, Michael Laccetti
wrote:
> P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of their
> extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20 stages, perhaps
> even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a short
> pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My Pentium M 1.7
What I mentioned has nothing to do with the length of the pipeline, and applies
to specific opcodes which tend to be common in certain workloads (compilation
and crypto both qualify for "lots of bit operations" afaik).
> competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation times, the
How does either compare to this, though? (I'm honestly ignorant of the Intel
chip branching):
cpu family : 15
model : 2
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Mobile CPU 1.80GHz
(DDR266 RAM)
As I said, this machine kicks its sorry ass for compilation speed last I checked
(nonscientifically, granted):
cpu family : 6
model : 7
model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor
(running at 1GHz, DDR266 RAM running at 200, due to the Duron's 100MHz FSB)
> only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
> overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite a bit
> slower than the workstation.
That may well be true, but is mitigated by doing make -j2 or -j3. :)
As it stands now, I'm caught between upgrading the CPU to an Athlon 2400+,
or going all-out for a new mobo, AMD64, etc. Only "problem" is that I hear that
PCI-Express is the next, greatest thing in PCs, and I haven't seen a single
AMD-compatible motherboard with it.
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:20:15 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:20:15 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
Message-ID: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80>
Hey,
My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
Later
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 21:29:38 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2040909070449781cba-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <4386c5b204090820441dae326b@mail.gmail.com> <413FD9E5.1040601@sympatico.ca>
<41405F2F.2070605@rogers.com> <4386c5b2040909070449781cba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> I just got around to checking my Deskpro 500. No option!
>
> I guess the best option is to get a cheapo keyboard to plug into it.
> :-P Inelegant.
There has to be a dongle that does this. Either that or flashing the bios
with another version should do it. Me I have a gripe with boards that do
not turn on when the power is first applied. You have to push the front
panel switch. I built a timer to do that ;-(
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 23:33:15 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
Message-ID:
Hi, where do I find the limits with which bash was compiled ? For older
and newer bashes ? I believe that I am trying to do something that exceeds
a hard compiled limit in bash and it fails in mysterious ways.
Specifically I have variables that contain lists of thousands of numbers.
Some of them seem to disappear ...
So what is the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a for ...
construct, or their maximum length ? And what are the other limits ?
Peter
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:12:31 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:12:31 -0400
Subject: Telling kudzu to ignore something
In-Reply-To: <41406C33.8080801-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <41406C33.8080801@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <414080EF.1020108@rogers.com>
Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The joys of having a laptop! I have Fedora Core 2 installed and
> recently I added a printer through my docking station and a wireless
> PCMCIA card. On boot kudzu kept wanting to remove the printer if the
> laptop wasn't docked and the wireless card because kudzu ran before the
> pcmcia services. For now I have simply disabled kudzu from running at
> boot which is fine but it started me wondering: is there a way to tell
> Kudzu to ignore specific missing hardware when it runs?
As I recall, you can tell it to permanently add or remove a device. If
you do that, you'd want to create different profiles for when you're
docked or not. Profiles can be selected on boot up.
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:37:26 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:37:26 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <1094746815.15673.11.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:20:15 -0400, Devin Whalen
wrote:
> Hey,
>
> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
My condolences. I was lucky when that happened to mine, as it only fried
the second IDE channel and the CDROM at the other end of that cable (the
burner in the middle of the cable was otherwise unaffected). It's the strangest
burnout I've ever heard of. Anyway.
> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
> around the cpu).
Well that's what you get for putting a heatsink with fan on the CPU! ;)
> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
A UPS is probably your best bet as far as protection for a reasonable price
goes. You can get a reasonable one for $120 or so, that should power the
machine for a dozen minutes or so (longer if you don't include a monitor).
That will protect against brownouts as well as surges, generally. If
that sounds
excessive considering your $400 computer, then you can just run without and
buy another $400 computer if it happens again. ;) You probably don't need
a high end solution, such as a line conditioner ($500 or more, but you get
_really_ clean power out of it!). Be sure that you have a good power supply
in any case. A good power supply will go a long way towards machine
stability.
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From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:38:35 2004
From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (The Edge of the Ice)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:38:35 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <41407DD3.6090506-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org>
References: <413B6579.1010500@rogers.com>
<20040905214246.1000545A1@cbbrowne.com> <413CD01F.8040502@rogers.com>
<20040907021336.BE2E345A1@cbbrowne.com> <413E92CC.5090503@rogers.com>
<413F9D42.1020501@ca.afilias.info> <413FEC1E.2040502@rogers.com>
<41407DD3.6090506@ca.afilias.info>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:59:15 -0400, Andrew Hammond
wrote:
> Ok, now we're clear. Personally, I'd wait until AMD releases the dual
> core Opteron CPUs and see what the price on them is compared to single
> core. You might be able to do a dual core cpu on a single socket 940 mb
> for less than a two single cores on a dual socket 940 mb. And since
> there's only one chip to cool, you could probably do it quieter that way
> too.
Or, for even more BANG, get the dual socket motherboard anyway. :)
Then if you decide you need two more cores, just plug away!
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:14:00 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
In-Reply-To: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
References: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter King wrote:
> Any suggestions where I might find a fast/wide SCSI-2 disk? I'm looking
> to boost disk space on an old Sun Ultra-1 to have enough room to install
> a workable version of Linux (or maybe Solaris 9) -- the current drive is
> only 1G, and there must be a place to go for (say) a 4.9G old scsi disk.
Sonnam Computers (Spadina just above College) carried such things, last
time I looked.
Henry Spencer
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From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:49:24 2004
From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> Hi, where do I find the limits with which bash was compiled ? For older and
> newer bashes ? I believe that I am trying to do something that exceeds a hard
> compiled limit in bash and it fails in mysterious ways. Specifically I have
> variables that contain lists of thousands of numbers. Some of them seem to
> disappear ...
>
> So what is the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a for ...
> construct, or their maximum length ? And what are the other limits ?
Arguments to built-in commands (such as echo) and keywords (such as
for) are limited only by available memory.
The number of arguments that can be passed to external commands is
system-dependent.
$ echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
$ /bin/echo {1..21111} > /dev/null
$ /bin/echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
bash: /bin/echo: Argument list too long
$
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:48:26 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:48:26 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To:
References: <20040909112520.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <4386c5b2040909094813e6765e@mail.gmail.com>
> If one is willing to spend money on dealing with such stupidity, there is
> (or was -- haven't kept current) at least one company that sells a little
> widget that plugs into a keyboard port and pretends to be a keyboard,
> precisely to convince stupid BIOSes that there really is one there.
>
I found this:
http://www.cadesigns.co.uk/dk1b.htm
but at 72 pounds, it's a little insane. I can probably find a ps/2
keyboard for a little less...
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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:58:54 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:58:54 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
Message-ID: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Hi Stan,
Here is my inquiry to TLUG:
I have XP and Linux (Mdk10) on my IBM ThinkPad. I can mount the XP drives on
Linux and read the files. The XP is configured to share the files on the
network. The /etc/fstab is set for the XPdriveC as rw.
Is there a way to write files from Linux to XP ? From all the experimenting I
did so far I concluded that it cannot be done. Am I wrong??
John
I got numerous replies, all telling me that the problem is not with the XP but
with Linux. The kernel deliberately sets as default to make NTFS readonly. By
recompiling the kernel with NTFS write enabled I can accomplish what I
wanted. However, warnings abound that this is a very dangerous practice and
unless I want to live dangerously I should avoid it.
A better way would be to create a FAT32 partition as part of the XP operating
system. Such a partition can be written to from Linux.
I proceeded with this and got me into serious trouble.
The first thing I did was to resize my main partition to free up one gig .
Then I assigned a FAT32 to this newly created partition. It assigned the
drive letter 'E' to it. My original setup had four primary partitions of
which one was used as an extended partition for my various Linux parts.
These parts were assigned to hda5,6,7, and 8.
Because there can only be four primary partitions on a system it assigned my
newly created FAT32 partition as a logical partition as part of the extended
partition with the first assignment as hda5. This pushed all my Linux
partions up one notch. Needless to say this nixed my Linux installation.
To correct this I eliminated first the primary partition that was at the end
of the disk and had only 8Mb of storage. This was just a leftover from the
original factory install of XP.
Next I converted the FAT32 locical partition to a primary partition. This
automatically reassigned the original hda5 to 8 to my Linux system again and
all was hunky dory.
Now I have a drive E that can be mounted as /dev/hda4 and this permits me to
send files to XP . I also made the appropriate addition to /etc/fstab.
Pretty neat, don't you agree ???
John
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 16:42:12 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:42:12 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <1094746815.15673.11.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <414087E4.6080009@rogers.com>
Devin Whalen wrote:
> Hey,
>
> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
> around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
> turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
> and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
You can get proper surge protectors, not those cheap power bars, with
MOVs in them. However, don't be too hasty in your conclusions. You
mentioned dust, which can cause the CPU to overheat, or it could have
been something unrelated to the environment. Some components fail on
their own. I recall a problem with capacitors blowing, a few years ago.
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:20:32 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:20:32 -0400
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20040909172032.GA1248@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 07:33:15PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> Hi, where do I find the limits with which bash was compiled ? For older
> and newer bashes ? I believe that I am trying to do something that exceeds
> a hard compiled limit in bash and it fails in mysterious ways.
> Specifically I have variables that contain lists of thousands of numbers.
> Some of them seem to disappear ...
>
> So what is the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a for ...
> construct, or their maximum length ? And what are the other limits ?
Bash has no limit on arrays, variables, builtins, any internal expansion
or construct, etc. Post your suspect code.
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 00:28:13 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:28:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, where do I find the limits with which bash was compiled ? For older
>> and newer bashes ? I believe that I am trying to do something that exceeds
>> a hard compiled limit in bash and it fails in mysterious ways.
>> Specifically I have variables that contain lists of thousands of numbers.
>> Some of them seem to disappear ...
>>
>> So what is the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a for ...
>> construct, or their maximum length ? And what are the other limits ?
>
> Arguments to built-in commands (such as echo) and keywords (such as
> for) are limited only by available memory.
>
> The number of arguments that can be passed to external commands is
> system-dependent.
>
> $ echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
> $ /bin/echo {1..21111} > /dev/null
> $ /bin/echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
> bash: /bin/echo: Argument list too long
> $
Thanks. Is the argument list too long, as in too many words, or too many
bytes in it ?
In my program I have a set of directories with files in them. This follows
a naming structure represented as a regex like
./[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9]{8}
I read the names of all these files using 'ls .' or equivalent, prune
certain things, and pass the output to a for ... construct. It works for
low file counts (~100 test case) and fails for high file counts (~2000).
The program outline is like:
for f in `ls .|cut -d'/' -2`; do
...
done
I am not sure where it fails. I think that the argument list passed to for
is too long but you seem to say that the argument list passed to for is
not limited (it should be a temporary variable or the output of a pipe if
I understand how bash works).
thanks,
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 00:33:18 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:33:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <200409091258.54512.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID:
There would have been no need to move that new partition. To make linux
happy with shifted partitions one boots from a rescue disk and edits the
relevant scripts (usually /etc/fstab on the root volume) and the boot
script (/etc/lilo.conf or equivalent). This makes linux aware of the new
setup without needing to move anything. What would you have done if you
had not had a tool that moves partitions around ?
Peter
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:29:57 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Thanks. Is the argument list too long, as in too many words, or too many
> bytes in it ?
It can be either, in fact, although "too many bytes" is much more likely.
> ./[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9]{8}
> I read the names of all these files using 'ls .' or equivalent...
Uh, "or equivalent"? What, exactly, is doing the name reading, and how?
That is more likely to be the problem area than the shell.
> I am not sure where it fails. I think that the argument list passed to for
> is too long...
"for" being a shell builtin, that basically shouldn't happen. I don't say
it's impossible, but it seems far more likely that you're being misled and
the problem is elsewhere.
Henry Spencer
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:30:12 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:30:12 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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References: <20040909160205.2208F6DA04@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040909173012.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:01:58PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
> P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of their
> extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20 stages, perhaps
> even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a short
> pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My Pentium M 1.7
> competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation times, the
> only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
> overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite a bit
> slower than the workstation.
Current "prescott" P4's have 31 stage. Previous generation was 20
stage.
This may explain why same clock speed "prescott" chips have often been
slower than the "northwood" chips, although having larger cache in
general helped out in other cases. Very confusing and hard to
generalize performance from I guess.
Opteron/Athlon 64 currently runs 12 stage pipeline as far as I know.
I know which one I want.
Lennart Sorensen
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:22:15 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:22:15 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To:
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I can't really comment on the opcodes in the processor, since that's a tad
above me. (Yes, I did just admit that. Whoops.) I'd have to sit down and
do some research instead of pulling some random stuff out of the air.
The P4M is a cut down/low power P4. Same long pipeline, same problem with
wasted cycles if prediction goes awry. That said, I'd be hard pushed to say
that a 1GHz Duron can perform the same as a P4M 1.8, especially since Durons
were just cut-down Athlons.
I use Gentoo, and started with -j3 a long while ago. Then I found the
goodness of distcc, and have been using -j10. :)
Nothing really compelling for me to upgrade to. The benefits of going from
my P4 3.0E (running at 3.8GHz) to an AMD 64 3x00... There aren't really
any. Aside from the on-die memory controller, there's no way I could
justify the cost. The premium on high end AMD parts is somewhat outrageous,
especially since they were originally the "cheap" solution. What are you
looking to upgrade from? The 1GHz Duron?
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Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:01:58 -0400, Michael Laccetti
wrote:
> P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of
their
> extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20
stages, perhaps
> even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a
short
> pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My
Pentium M 1.7
What I mentioned has nothing to do with the length of the pipeline,
and applies
to specific opcodes which tend to be common in certain workloads
(compilation
and crypto both qualify for "lots of bit operations" afaik).
> competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation
times, the
How does either compare to this, though? (I'm honestly ignorant of
the Intel
chip branching):
cpu family : 15
model : 2
model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Mobile CPU 1.80GHz
(DDR266 RAM)
As I said, this machine kicks its sorry ass for compilation speed
last I checked
(nonscientifically, granted):
cpu family : 6
model : 7
model name : AMD Duron(tm) Processor
(running at 1GHz, DDR266 RAM running at 200, due to the Duron's
100MHz FSB)
> only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
> overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite
a bit
> slower than the workstation.
That may well be true, but is mitigated by doing make -j2 or -j3.
:)
As it stands now, I'm caught between upgrading the CPU to an Athlon
2400+,
or going all-out for a new mobo, AMD64, etc. Only "problem" is that
I hear that
PCI-Express is the next, greatest thing in PCs, and I haven't seen a
single
AMD-compatible motherboard with it.
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:43:46 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:43:46 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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I think my P4 3.0E (being E) is a Prescott chip. Overclocked nicely, at
least. Noticed a decent boost in speed switching from the 2.8C to a 3.0E,
if only because of the higher overclock.
My dual AMD MP motherboard just fried, and I was looking at getting a dual
Opteron replacement, but Tyan kindly replaced the thing for me, so it's
still stuck at MP land. Maybe sometime next year I'll upgrade my 3.0 to
something better. But much will change in a year...
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To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:01:58PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
> P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of
their
> extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20
stages, perhaps
> even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a
short
> pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My
Pentium M 1.7
> competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation
times, the
> only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
> overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite
a bit
> slower than the workstation.
Current "prescott" P4's have 31 stage. Previous generation was 20
stage.
This may explain why same clock speed "prescott" chips have often
been
slower than the "northwood" chips, although having larger cache in
general helped out in other cases. Very confusing and hard to
generalize performance from I guess.
Opteron/Athlon 64 currently runs 12 stage pipeline as far as I know.
I know which one I want.
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From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:49:51 2004
From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:49:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, where do I find the limits with which bash was compiled ? For older
>>> and newer bashes ? I believe that I am trying to do something that
>>> exceeds a hard compiled limit in bash and it fails in mysterious ways.
>>> Specifically I have variables that contain lists of thousands of
>>> numbers. Some of them seem to disappear ...
>>>
>>> So what is the maximum number of arguments that can be passed to a for
>>> ... construct, or their maximum length ? And what are the other limits
>>> ?
>>
>> Arguments to built-in commands (such as echo) and keywords (such as
>> for) are limited only by available memory.
>>
>> The number of arguments that can be passed to external commands is
>> system-dependent.
>>
>> $ echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
>> $ /bin/echo {1..21111} > /dev/null
>> $ /bin/echo {1..31111} > /dev/null
>> bash: /bin/echo: Argument list too long
>> $
>
> Thanks. Is the argument list too long, as in too many words, or too many
> bytes in it ?
I believe either or both can apply.
> In my program I have a set of directories with files in them. This follows a
> naming structure represented as a regex like
>
> ../[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9]{8}
>
> I read the names of all these files using 'ls .' or equivalent,
If you are using ".", there should be no problem, but if you use
wildcards, you could be passing too many arguments to ls.
> prune certain things, and pass the output to a for ... construct. It
> works for low file counts (~100 test case) and fails for high file
> counts (~2000). The program outline is like:
>
> for f in `ls .|cut -d'/' -2`; do
Do you mean -f2? But the output of "ls ." will not contain any
slashes. What are you trying to do?
> ...
> done
>
> I am not sure where it fails.
What are the exact error messages (and the exact code)?
> I think that the argument list passed to for is too long but you
> seem to say that the argument list passed to for is not limited (it
> should be a temporary variable or the output of a pipe if I
> understand how bash works).
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 00:52:45 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:52:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Henry Spencer wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> Thanks. Is the argument list too long, as in too many words, or too many
>> bytes in it ?
>
> It can be either, in fact, although "too many bytes" is much more likely.
>
>> ./[0-9][0-9]/[0-9][0-9]/[0-9]{8}
>> I read the names of all these files using 'ls .' or equivalent...
>
> Uh, "or equivalent"? What, exactly, is doing the name reading, and how?
> That is more likely to be the problem area than the shell.
>
>> I am not sure where it fails. I think that the argument list passed to for
>> is too long...
>
> "for" being a shell builtin, that basically shouldn't happen. I don't say
> it's impossible, but it seems far more likely that you're being misled and
> the problem is elsewhere.
The exact command I'm using is:
SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries (102
with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a problem.
The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and leaves just
the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename cannot be used
in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should write a
replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 00:57:39 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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References:
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Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:01:58PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
>> P4s rely on their raw speed to keep them competitive, because of their
>> extremely long pipeline. The newer versions are at least 20 stages, perhaps
>> even longer. AMD, and the P3s/Pentium Ms (not Pentium 4M) have a short
>> pipeline. Of course, they can't scale to be as speedy. My Pentium M 1.7
>> competes quite well with my Pentium 4 2.8 in terms of compilation times, the
>> only thing that holds it back is the DDR 333 vs. the DDR 480 (yay
>> overclocking) in my workstation. That, and the laptop HD is quite a bit
>> slower than the workstation.
>
> Current "prescott" P4's have 31 stage. Previous generation was 20
> stage.
>
> This may explain why same clock speed "prescott" chips have often been
> slower than the "northwood" chips, although having larger cache in
> general helped out in other cases. Very confusing and hard to
> generalize performance from I guess.
>
> Opteron/Athlon 64 currently runs 12 stage pipeline as far as I know.
>
> I know which one I want.
Is it a secret ? ;-)
Question: if the pipeline length is so important then these cpus should
work better with 'flattened' code (no jumps, no loops). Do the speed tests
just so happen to be compiled flattened ? I.e. do the chip makers add
pipeline length to look better in tests or to give better all-round
performance. I suspect that code with very short runs between jumps and
loops (such as code compiled for size optimisation) will run relatively
slowly on such a cpu. True ?
Peter
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:44:35 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:44:35 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
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References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040909174435.GZ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:20:15PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
> around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
> turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
> and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
I just picked up an APC XS800 UPS for $130 (regularly $200) at
futureshop. Seems to do the trick. Claims to have a $150,000 lifetime
equipment warrenty, whatever that really means.
APC UPSs have very good surge protection in them as far as I am aware.
And they protect against those stupid 1s power failures, and over and
under voltage. Might be able to find similar deals.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:57:21 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:57:21 -0400
Subject: bash limits ?
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References:
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On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:52:45PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> The exact command I'm using is:
>
> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
That could expand to a long list of files I suspect. Perhaps it is the
$(..) that has the limit you are encountering.
> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries (102
> with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a problem.
> The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and leaves just
> the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename cannot be used
> in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should write a
> replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
Because sed works well?
... | sed -e 's%.*/\([^/]*\)$%\1%' | ...
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:12:12 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:12:12 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To:
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On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:57:39PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Is it a secret ? ;-)
I despise the design of the P4. I don't like inefficient designs.
The athlon 64 is what I want in my next machine.
> Question: if the pipeline length is so important then these cpus should
> work better with 'flattened' code (no jumps, no loops). Do the speed tests
> just so happen to be compiled flattened ? I.e. do the chip makers add
> pipeline length to look better in tests or to give better all-round
> performance. I suspect that code with very short runs between jumps and
> loops (such as code compiled for size optimisation) will run relatively
> slowly on such a cpu. True ?
Well the longer pipeline means less of the instruction is being
performed at each stage, so each stage is simpler and can hence be
executed faster. This helps you to increase clock speed.
If your code has no branches, and doesn't have too much dependancy on
previous results, your instructions can pretty much just flow through
with no problems (out of order execution helps a bit with the
dependancies on prior results by doing other non dependant instructions
ahead of the ones waiting). So in the ideal case, the pipeline length
doesn't hurt at all, and allows higher clock rates, so the cpu is
faster.
In the bad case, with lots of branches, or instructions are
continuously waiting for the prior instructions result before being able
to start excuting, the pipeline length becomes an issue, since if it
takes an instruction 31 stages to execute and you have to wait for most
of the previous instruction to finish before you are starting your turn,
then you essentially end up dividing the clock speed by the pipeline
length to determine number of instructions executed per second, which in
the worst case is terrible with a long pipeline.
Fortunately branch prediction often works by assuming that what happened
in a certain branch location last time is likely to be what happens
again this time, so the code from that branch can already go through the
pipeline. Some even run both choices of a pipeline at the same time
using unused execution units of the cpu (while instructions are waiting
for prior instructions and such) and evaluate both choices, and simple
throw away the wrong branch when the branch to take is determined.
Getting smarter branch predictions that can detect paterns in when a
branch is taken, and such are all important to cpu design when the
pipeline length is increased. Compiler optimizations, such as loop
unrolling and such can also help by turning a 1000 short loops into 100
longer loops (saves 90% of the branch checks and helps the branch
prediction logic).
Basically lots can be done to help a cpu with a longer pipeline perform
well, but it depends on the software algorithms involved and on the
compiler optimizations. This is why when the P4 came out, it didn't
look so good, but eventually software came out that had been optimized
for it's pipeline length and instruction preference, and all of a sudden
it's performance got much better. The athlon and athlon 64 with a
shorter pipeline deals much better with legacy code optimized for older
generations since it is more similar in behaviour to those older chips.
The itanium (IA64) doesn't do any instruction reordering, and has 3
instructions for every 128bit instruction word that goes into it, and
those 3 instructions are placed together by the compiler to run at the
same time. A good compiler is required for the itanium to perform well,
but it made the design simpler. It just requires the compiler to do all
the work to determine what can be done at once and what order everything
would work best in. If a problem happens to be very dynamic and can't
be determined optimally at compile time, the itanium won't perform as
well. Worst case for it would be a problem that is so linear that only
one instruction would actually be in each instruction word leaving 1/3
of the cpu unused at all times running that code.
Hmm, that may have been wayyy to long, and I think my kernel compile
just finished.
Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 17:52:17 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:52:17 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
> I think my P4 3.0E (being E) is a Prescott chip. Overclocked nicely, at
> least. Noticed a decent boost in speed switching from the 2.8C to a 3.0E,
> if only because of the higher overclock.
Long pipelines tend to help the clock speed boosts. Doesn't help at all
during branch misses (which they have tuned a bit better in the prescott
too, as it is obviously even more important to it).
With the first steppings of the Pentium Pro, the pipeline would have to
be flushed completely and restarted if it ever encountered a 16 bit
aligned read/write, since it was entirely designed for 32bit only.
Intel I guess underestimated how long it would be until people stopped
runing 16bit code. Later revisions made some changes to allow it to
detect earlier in the pipeline when it was going to have a problem and
deal with it right away to avoid the whole branch being wasted. As far
as I recall the PPro was around 11 or 13 stages or so. P2/P3 being
essentially the same design are probably the same length pipeline. Not
short pipelines by the standards of the time, but short compared to the
P4 and very similar to the athlon 64.
> My dual AMD MP motherboard just fried, and I was looking at getting a dual
> Opteron replacement, but Tyan kindly replaced the thing for me, so it's
> still stuck at MP land. Maybe sometime next year I'll upgrade my 3.0 to
> something better. But much will change in a year...
Well nice when companies replace stuff that fails. Probably good to
retain customers that way.
Lennart Sorensen
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From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:17:29 2004
From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:17:29 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
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References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80> <414087E4.6080009@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <41409E39.90206@deeptown.org>
I bought mine APC surge protector for $25 in Costco. It have insurance
for $200 000 for damaged equipment.
It probably still in stock in Costco stores.
PS: BTW, today I've found one new outlet of Canada Computers at 5799
Yonge St. ( three blocks north of Finch ) It bigger than on Spadina,
and almost with no customers.
All the Best!
Sergey.
James Knott wrote:
> Devin Whalen wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
>> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
>> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
>> around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
>> turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
>> and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
>> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
>> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
>> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
>
>
> You can get proper surge protectors, not those cheap power bars, with
> MOVs in them. However, don't be too hasty in your conclusions. You
> mentioned dust, which can cause the CPU to overheat, or it could have
> been something unrelated to the environment. Some components fail on
> their own. I recall a problem with capacitors blowing, a few years ago.
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 01:30:01 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:30:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:52:45PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> The exact command I'm using is:
>>
>> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
>
> That could expand to a long list of files I suspect. Perhaps it is the
> $(..) that has the limit you are encountering.
I tried that using seq. The limit is much higher and if the other
responders are right, it should not be a problem.
>> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries (102
>> with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a problem.
>> The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and leaves just
>> the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename cannot be used
>> in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should write a
>> replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
>
> Because sed works well?
>
> ... | sed -e 's%.*/\([^/]*\)$%\1%' | ...
Right, I haven't thought of that. Since I also need sorting I had an eye
on gawk.
Peter
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:18:35 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:18:35 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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Message-ID: <20040909181851.9A2436DA16@lethe.ss.org>
Not sure about the first steppings of the PPro, but it was a 12 stage
pipeline. The P6 core (of which the PPro was the first) was all sorts of
good, considering the Pentium M is based on it.
Yeah, I'm pleased with Tyan's support. The board arrived today, but I have
yet to see if it's a new one, or just a refurb. I'm hoping it's a new one.
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Lennart Sorensen
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:52 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
> I think my P4 3.0E (being E) is a Prescott chip. Overclocked
nicely, at
> least. Noticed a decent boost in speed switching from the 2.8C to
a 3.0E,
> if only because of the higher overclock.
Long pipelines tend to help the clock speed boosts. Doesn't help at
all
during branch misses (which they have tuned a bit better in the
prescott
too, as it is obviously even more important to it).
With the first steppings of the Pentium Pro, the pipeline would have
to
be flushed completely and restarted if it ever encountered a 16 bit
aligned read/write, since it was entirely designed for 32bit only.
Intel I guess underestimated how long it would be until people
stopped
runing 16bit code. Later revisions made some changes to allow it to
detect earlier in the pipeline when it was going to have a problem
and
deal with it right away to avoid the whole branch being wasted. As
far
as I recall the PPro was around 11 or 13 stages or so. P2/P3 being
essentially the same design are probably the same length pipeline.
Not
short pipelines by the standards of the time, but short compared to
the
P4 and very similar to the athlon 64.
> My dual AMD MP motherboard just fried, and I was looking at
getting a dual
> Opteron replacement, but Tyan kindly replaced the thing for me, so
it's
> still stuck at MP land. Maybe sometime next year I'll upgrade my
3.0 to
> something better. But much will change in a year...
Well nice when companies replace stuff that fails. Probably good to
retain customers that way.
Lennart Sorensen
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From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:29:22 2004
From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:29:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> The exact command I'm using is:
>
> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
What error message is it giving you?
And wouldn't this do what you want:
SORTED=`find $TMPDIR -type -f -name '*[0-9]*' -printf "%f\n"`
> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries (102
> with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a problem.
> The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and leaves just the
> [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename cannot be used in a
> pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should write a replacement that
> can be used in a pipe !).
awk -F/ '{printf $NF}'
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:28:32 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:28:32 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
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<20040909173012.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
<20040909181212.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1094754512.15673.18.camel@192.168.1.80>
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:57:39PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> > Is it a secret ? ;-)
>
> I despise the design of the P4. I don't like inefficient designs.
>
> The athlon 64 is what I want in my next machine.
>
> > Question: if the pipeline length is so important then these cpus should
> > work better with 'flattened' code (no jumps, no loops). Do the speed tests
> > just so happen to be compiled flattened ? I.e. do the chip makers add
> > pipeline length to look better in tests or to give better all-round
> > performance. I suspect that code with very short runs between jumps and
> > loops (such as code compiled for size optimisation) will run relatively
> > slowly on such a cpu. True ?
>
> Well the longer pipeline means less of the instruction is being
> performed at each stage, so each stage is simpler and can hence be
> executed faster. This helps you to increase clock speed.
>
> If your code has no branches, and doesn't have too much dependancy on
> previous results, your instructions can pretty much just flow through
> with no problems (out of order execution helps a bit with the
> dependancies on prior results by doing other non dependant instructions
> ahead of the ones waiting). So in the ideal case, the pipeline length
> doesn't hurt at all, and allows higher clock rates, so the cpu is
> faster.
>
> In the bad case, with lots of branches, or instructions are
> continuously waiting for the prior instructions result before being able
> to start excuting, the pipeline length becomes an issue, since if it
> takes an instruction 31 stages to execute and you have to wait for most
> of the previous instruction to finish before you are starting your turn,
> then you essentially end up dividing the clock speed by the pipeline
> length to determine number of instructions executed per second, which in
> the worst case is terrible with a long pipeline.
>
> Fortunately branch prediction often works by assuming that what happened
> in a certain branch location last time is likely to be what happens
> again this time, so the code from that branch can already go through the
> pipeline. Some even run both choices of a pipeline at the same time
> using unused execution units of the cpu (while instructions are waiting
> for prior instructions and such) and evaluate both choices, and simple
> throw away the wrong branch when the branch to take is determined.
> Getting smarter branch predictions that can detect paterns in when a
> branch is taken, and such are all important to cpu design when the
> pipeline length is increased. Compiler optimizations, such as loop
> unrolling and such can also help by turning a 1000 short loops into 100
> longer loops (saves 90% of the branch checks and helps the branch
> prediction logic).
>
> Basically lots can be done to help a cpu with a longer pipeline perform
> well, but it depends on the software algorithms involved and on the
> compiler optimizations. This is why when the P4 came out, it didn't
> look so good, but eventually software came out that had been optimized
> for it's pipeline length and instruction preference, and all of a sudden
> it's performance got much better. The athlon and athlon 64 with a
> shorter pipeline deals much better with legacy code optimized for older
> generations since it is more similar in behaviour to those older chips.
>
> The itanium (IA64) doesn't do any instruction reordering, and has 3
> instructions for every 128bit instruction word that goes into it, and
> those 3 instructions are placed together by the compiler to run at the
> same time. A good compiler is required for the itanium to perform well,
> but it made the design simpler. It just requires the compiler to do all
> the work to determine what can be done at once and what order everything
> would work best in. If a problem happens to be very dynamic and can't
> be determined optimally at compile time, the itanium won't perform as
> well. Worst case for it would be a problem that is so linear that only
> one instruction would actually be in each instruction word leaving 1/3
> of the cpu unused at all times running that code.
>
> Hmm, that may have been wayyy to long, and I think my kernel compile
> just finished.
>
> Lennart Sorensen
I was going to pipe in with a defence of the P4 design but after
Lennart's email I now realize that I know nothing about computers and
that my only possible rebuttal is...."My cat's breath smells like cat
food"....I will now proceed to go home and throw my brand new Pentium
machine in the garbage :)
Later
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Fax- (416) 539-8280
1179A King St. West
Toronto, Ontario
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:31:10 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <1094746815.15673.11.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:
> ...it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use?
As others have noted, a good UPS is the definitive cure for power trouble.
However, I've never bothered to go that far -- power outages are rare here
and it seems like overkill, especially since I've got rather a lot of
computer gear and would need a rather large UPS.
What I *have* done is that all my computer hardware is on (directly or via
an intermediate power strip) surge-suppressor power bars. Don't try to
cheap out on these -- buy the top of the line, not the bottom. I use
APC's "network"-class bars.
Henry Spencer
henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 01:36:26 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:36:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To: <20040909181932.GA1592-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References:
<20040909181932.GA1592@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, William Park wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:52:45PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> The exact command I'm using is:
>>
>> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
>>
>> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries
>> (102 with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a
>> problem. The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and
>> leaves just the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename
>> cannot be used in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should
>> write a replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
>
> I don't see any problem area. Try each command in sequence, ie.
> find $TMPDIR/* -type f
> find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+
> find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4
> find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort
>
> You should put [0-9]+ in quotes like '[0-9]+'.
I tried that, using wc -w as last command. The problem is not there. It
must be something simple that is toatally obvious and happens only when
$SORTED is used with for ... I tried putting the entire pipeline as the
argument of for ... and that didi not fix it. I will look at it some more.
thanks,
Peter
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:19:32 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:19:32 -0400
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20040909181932.GA1592@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 08:52:45PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> The exact command I'm using is:
>
> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
>
> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries
> (102 with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a
> problem. The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and
> leaves just the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename
> cannot be used in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should
> write a replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
I don't see any problem area. Try each command in sequence, ie.
find $TMPDIR/* -type f
find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+
find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4
find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort
You should put [0-9]+ in quotes like '[0-9]+'.
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From michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:38:02 2004
From: michael-1DHYbOjWH/jDO7Nk1fN4cQ at public.gmane.org (Michael Laccetti)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:38:02 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <1094754512.15673.18.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094754512.15673.18.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040909183808.D60DE6DA86@lethe.ss.org>
Well, the P4 design allowed it to scale to speeds that the Athlon
XP/64/Opteron cannot. It was a trade-off. To get fast, they increased the
pipeline, added new instructions, etc, etc. Hence the comparison of things
like a 2.2GHz AMD to a 3.2GHz P4. More work per cycle vs. more cycles to
get things done.
Now, a dual core Pentium M... That'd be sick.
________________________________
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of
Devin Whalen
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:29 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
I was going to pipe in with a defence of the P4 design but after
Lennart's email I now realize that I know nothing about computers
and
that my only possible rebuttal is...."My cat's breath smells like
cat
food"....I will now proceed to go home and throw my brand new
Pentium
machine in the garbage :)
Later
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Programmer
Synaptic Vision Inc
Phone-(416) 539-0801
Fax- (416) 539-8280
1179A King St. West
Toronto, Ontario
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Home-(416) 653-3982
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:49:11 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:49:11 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <1094754512.15673.18.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040909160205.2208F6DA04@lethe.ss.org> <20040909173012.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040909181212.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1094754512.15673.18.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040909184911.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 02:28:32PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> I was going to pipe in with a defence of the P4 design but after
> Lennart's email I now realize that I know nothing about computers and
> that my only possible rebuttal is...."My cat's breath smells like cat
> food"....I will now proceed to go home and throw my brand new Pentium
> machine in the garbage :)
Well the P4 design does work real well on massive data crunching such as
video encoding and the like, when it is written and compiled to use SSE2
instructions to work on multiple pieces of data at once, in long
identical loops. It's really fast at some things (with optimized code)
and not so fast at others (with or without optimized code).
Now imagine how confusing it will be when intel finishes the switch to
model numbers.
It is pretty obvious to most users (and should generally be tru) that a
530 will be fast than a 525, although there might also be a 527 with
more cache but the same clock speed as a 525 but less clock speed than
the 530 added in, and then you again end up having performance really
depend on your code. And while a 530 should be faster than a 330 (you
would hope), how will it compare to a 340 or a 350? So far intel has
3xx, 5xx and 7xx series but are talking about a 6xx series and I believe
an 8xx series as well. The Pentium-M is probably going to be one of
them, and the Pentium 4 another, and the Celeron-D (P4 derived celerons)
the 3xx series. Clock speed was never a good indication, but it was
what consumers had. AMD tried to indicate speed with their model name
rating system, although I am not sure a dual memory channel 2ghz athlon
64 with 1M cache is necesarily always faster than a 2.4ghz athlon 64
with 512k cache, but the former is 3500+ socket 939 and the latter a
3400+ with socket 754 (socket 939 is dual channel ram, socket 754 is
single channel ram, the older 940 is dual channel with ECC used by
opterons (for servers) and the first FX chips (which were opteron 1xx's)).
AMD is doing something similar but not quite the same for the opteron
chips, with 1xx being single cpu chips, 2xx being dual cpu chips, and
8xx being >2 cpu chips. This is the number of cpus that can be placed
in one machine in this case. A dual core chip will still only count as
one cpu as far as cpu interconnects are concerned. But that's next
years problem. :)
Lennart Sorensen
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:47:53 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <1094755673.15673.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 14:31, Henry Spencer wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > ...it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> > I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> > doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use?
>
> As others have noted, a good UPS is the definitive cure for power trouble.
> However, I've never bothered to go that far -- power outages are rare here
> and it seems like overkill, especially since I've got rather a lot of
> computer gear and would need a rather large UPS.
>
> What I *have* done is that all my computer hardware is on (directly or via
> an intermediate power strip) surge-suppressor power bars. Don't try to
> cheap out on these -- buy the top of the line, not the bottom. I use
> APC's "network"-class bars.
>
> Henry Spencer
> henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org
Thanks to everyone for the advice on this. While a ups would be the
best option, I want to buy a dvd burner and another stick of memory so I
would like the cheapest option. So I think I will be buying what Sergey
and Henry mentioned an APC thingy...but (besides Costco) where do I get
one? I looked on the web site for Canada Computers and
filtechcomputer.com and they don't have any. Would this be at Canadian
Tire or something?
Later
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Synaptic Vision Inc
Phone-(416) 539-0801
Fax- (416) 539-8280
1179A King St. West
Toronto, Ontario
Suite 309 M6K 3C5
Home-(416) 653-3982
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:50:55 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:50:55 -0400
Subject: Hello, been a while, dual CPU mobos
In-Reply-To: <20040909183808.D60DE6DA86-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094754512.15673.18.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040909183808.D60DE6DA86@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040909185055.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 02:38:02PM -0400, Michael Laccetti wrote:
> Well, the P4 design allowed it to scale to speeds that the Athlon
> XP/64/Opteron cannot. It was a trade-off. To get fast, they increased the
> pipeline, added new instructions, etc, etc. Hence the comparison of things
> like a 2.2GHz AMD to a 3.2GHz P4. More work per cycle vs. more cycles to
> get things done.
>
> Now, a dual core Pentium M... That'd be sick.
Apparently intel is considering it if "The Register" and other rumours
can be believed.
And what about P4 dual core with hyperthreading in each core? The poor
OS could be so confused. Some parts share L1 cache, some share L2
cache, some share just system ram.
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 18:54:19 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Power Surge Protection
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References: <1094755673.15673.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > What I *have* done is that all my computer hardware is on (directly or via
> > an intermediate power strip) surge-suppressor power bars. Don't try to
> > cheap out on these -- buy the top of the line, not the bottom. I use
> > APC's "network"-class bars.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the advice on this. While a ups would be the
> best option, I want to buy a dvd burner and another stick of memory so I
> would like the cheapest option. So I think I will be buying what Sergey
> and Henry mentioned an APC thingy...but (besides Costco) where do I get
> one?
I think most of mine came from OTA (www.otapc.com, on College a block or
two west of Spadina). Don't know if they still carry them, though.
Henry Spencer
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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 19:24:23 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:24:23 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To:
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <200409091524.23245.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
On Thursday 09 September 2004 08:33 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> There would have been no need to move that new partition. To make linux
> happy with shifted partitions one boots from a rescue disk and edits the
> relevant scripts (usually /etc/fstab on the root volume) and the boot
> script (/etc/lilo.conf or equivalent). This makes linux aware of the new
> setup without needing to move anything. What would you have done if you
> had not had a tool that moves partitions around ?
>
> Peter
Rescue disks are fine if you have a setup that permits the use of them. My
system is a ThinkPad with only an external USB floppy. So far I have not been
able to use an external floppy for booting. Maybe someone has some experience
with this.
Also, recent distros have a size that excceeds the storage capacity of a
normal floppy.
On the subject of USB floppies, does anyone know how to format them for a
Linux fs .
John
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 19:55:05 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:55:05 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <200409091524.23245.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
<200409091524.23245.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <1094759705.2810.25.camel@www.sympatico.ca>
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 15:24, John Wildberger wrote:
> Rescue disks are fine if you have a setup that permits the use of them. My
> system is a ThinkPad with only an external USB floppy.
at ~50meg, damnsmalllinux was designed to fit on, and boot from, a USB
key. It features a fill (if lightweight) desktop, and essential rescue
tools ( like .. umm.. vi !)
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
> On the subject of USB floppies, does anyone know how to format them for a
> Linux fs .
but WHY ? It would only complicate things.
Stay with fat16 and you will be able to sneakernet with Windoze.
djp
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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:25:17 2004
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:25:17 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <1094746815.15673.11.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>; from devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org on Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:20:15PM -0400
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A UPS or a Surge Protector will work if indeed it was a line surge that
caused the failure. But I suspect that many so-called 'surge failures' are
actually power supplies that fail in Frankenstein mode. The surge protector
and UPS can't help with this at all. A properly designed computer power
supply should have a crowbar circuit that clamps the output even when a
catastrophic failure occurs internally.
I went through this a while ago with my wife's machine. The power supply
failed spectacularly, taking out everything in the box. OTA claimed this was
a line generated surge failure, but there were several computers on the same
power line at the same time that were unaffected, so that didn't wash. Very,
very reluctantly and after some hard bargaining, OTA gave us a new machine
at 'cost'.
I think one's best insurance is to have a high-quality power supply in the
box. Competitive pressures to produce a high-power supply for a tiny cost
result in marginal supplies that fail in this manner. The power supply is an
unsung component in the computer, but it's critically important. (The
invention of the switching power supply is one of the things that makes a
modern computer cost and size feasible for consumers.) Spend some money on a
good power supply, don't just take whatever comes in the enclosure.
My 2 cents worth.
Peter
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:20:15PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> Hey,
>
> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
> around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
> turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
> and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
>
> Later
>
>
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> Phone-(416) 539-0801
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:32:17 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:32:17 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <20040909162517.B13536-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040909162517.B13536@ee.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <20040909203217.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:25:17PM -0400, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
> A UPS or a Surge Protector will work if indeed it was a line surge that
> caused the failure. But I suspect that many so-called 'surge failures' are
> actually power supplies that fail in Frankenstein mode. The surge protector
> and UPS can't help with this at all. A properly designed computer power
> supply should have a crowbar circuit that clamps the output even when a
> catastrophic failure occurs internally.
>
> I went through this a while ago with my wife's machine. The power supply
> failed spectacularly, taking out everything in the box. OTA claimed this was
> a line generated surge failure, but there were several computers on the same
> power line at the same time that were unaffected, so that didn't wash. Very,
> very reluctantly and after some hard bargaining, OTA gave us a new machine
> at 'cost'.
>
> I think one's best insurance is to have a high-quality power supply in the
> box. Competitive pressures to produce a high-power supply for a tiny cost
> result in marginal supplies that fail in this manner. The power supply is an
> unsung component in the computer, but it's critically important. (The
> invention of the switching power supply is one of the things that makes a
> modern computer cost and size feasible for consumers.) Spend some money on a
> good power supply, don't just take whatever comes in the enclosure.
>
> My 2 cents worth.
Well I started using PC Power & Cooling after a power supply fried on me
in 96, and I have also used Antecs a couple of times in the last year.
I have even seen a PC where win98 (on a k6-2 450) would crash
frequently, corrupt filesystem, etc, and eventually the power supply was
replaced by one from PC Power & Cooling and all of a sudden the system
didn't crash, and it no longer corrupted files. Cheap power supplies
can make a system crash a lot.
Lennart Sorensen
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From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:46:51 2004
From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:46:51 -0400
Subject: which SSL certificate for apache?
In-Reply-To: <4386c5b204090906006cb12f2e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040908181717.GB1526@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040908183551.GA1655@node1.opengeometry.net> <413F5669.6060000@istop.com> <413FC32F.90802@almatau.com> <414052F9.2070305@detachednetworks.ca> <4386c5b204090906006cb12f2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4140C13B.90104@detachednetworks.ca>
Aaron Vegh wrote:
>>www.godaddy.com
>>
>>$29.95 USD
>>
>>
>
>woah.Can anyone confirm the compatibility of this cert?
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even better :)
http://www.freessl.com/starterssl/starterssl.html
$19 USD
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 20:51:16 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:51:16 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <20040909162517.B13536-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094746815.15673.11.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040909162517.B13536@ee.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <20040909205116.GA2184@node1.opengeometry.net>
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 04:25:17PM -0400, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
> I think one's best insurance is to have a high-quality power supply in the
> box. Competitive pressures to produce a high-power supply for a tiny cost
> result in marginal supplies that fail in this manner. The power supply is an
> unsung component in the computer, but it's critically important. (The
> invention of the switching power supply is one of the things that makes a
> modern computer cost and size feasible for consumers.) Spend some money on a
> good power supply, don't just take whatever comes in the enclosure.
I agree. But, I've been satisfied with power supply that came with
Enlight and Antec case. Not a single system crashes, even through light
flickering.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 21:19:02 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:19:02 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <200409091258.54512.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <4140C8C6.5020601@rogers.com>
John Wildberger wrote:
> Now I have a drive E that can be mounted as /dev/hda4 and this permits me to
> send files to XP . I also made the appropriate addition to /etc/fstab.
> Pretty neat, don't you agree ???
Now, what you'll want to do, is move the "My Documents" folder to the
FAT32 partition, and also create a link to it, from your home directory.
This will make it a lot easier to work on the same files, from either OS.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 21:37:35 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:37:35 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To: <1094755673.15673.26.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094755673.15673.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <4140CD1F.6020703@rogers.com>
Devin Whalen wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the advice on this. While a ups would be the
> best option, I want to buy a dvd burner and another stick of memory so I
> would like the cheapest option. So I think I will be buying what Sergey
> and Henry mentioned an APC thingy...but (besides Costco) where do I get
> one? I looked on the web site for Canada Computers and
> filtechcomputer.com and they don't have any. Would this be at Canadian
> Tire or something?
Not likely Canadian Tire, though Staples definitly have them and Future
shop might.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 21:41:52 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:41:52 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <200409091524.23245.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200409091524.23245.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <4140CE20.1050701@rogers.com>
John Wildberger wrote:
> On Thursday 09 September 2004 08:33 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>>There would have been no need to move that new partition. To make linux
>>happy with shifted partitions one boots from a rescue disk and edits the
>>relevant scripts (usually /etc/fstab on the root volume) and the boot
>>script (/etc/lilo.conf or equivalent). This makes linux aware of the new
>>setup without needing to move anything. What would you have done if you
>>had not had a tool that moves partitions around ?
>>
>>Peter
>
> Rescue disks are fine if you have a setup that permits the use of them. My
> system is a ThinkPad with only an external USB floppy. So far I have not been
> able to use an external floppy for booting. Maybe someone has some experience
> with this.
> Also, recent distros have a size that excceeds the storage capacity of a
> normal floppy.
> On the subject of USB floppies, does anyone know how to format them for a
> Linux fs .
You can use rescue CDs with the ThinkPad. As for formatting, I haven't
tried with a USB floppy, but I think you could use the mkfs commands.
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From gogojohn-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 23:11:31 2004
From: gogojohn-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John R. Southern)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:11:31 -0400
Subject: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
In-Reply-To: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
References: <20040909145139.GA6755@antec>
Message-ID: <20040909231135.HOCU25796.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@nanook>
Hi Peter,
I've purchased several such drives from Canada Computers
(www.canadacomputers.com). At the time (last year) they had the best prices
around, as SCSI drives tend to be rather pricey. Cheers...
... John
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To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
Any suggestions where I might find a fast/wide SCSI-2 disk? I'm looking to
boost disk space on an old Sun Ultra-1 to have enough room to install a
workable version of Linux (or maybe Solaris 9) -- the current drive is only
1G, and there must be a place to go for (say) a 4.9G old scsi disk.
But I don't know where that is. Does anyone?
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 23:20:04 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:20:04 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
In-Reply-To:
References:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Henry
> Spencer
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:31 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Power Surge Protection
>
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > ...it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> > I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> > doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use?
I saw a couple for cheap at factorydirect.ca
Sid
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 23:22:48 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:22:48 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
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>
> I found this:
>
> http://www.cadesigns.co.uk/dk1b.htm
>
> but at 72 pounds, it's a little insane. I can probably find a ps/2
> keyboard for a little less...
Considering you can get a keyboard for $5, spending $165 CAD is a bit crazy.
Sid
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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Sep 9 23:29:02 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:29:02 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Devin
> Whalen
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: [TLUG]: Power Surge Protection
>
> Hey,
>
> My motherboard just recently blew out (or whatever you want to call
> it). My computer just stopped working and when I looked at the
> motherboard there was this thick grey dust all over it (well centred
> around the cpu). Needless to say, I had to buy a new motherboard and in
> turn a new cpu,memory,power supply and hey why not a new case...so 400
> and some dollars later and I have a working machine again. I was told
> that it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use? Thanks.
>
Hi Devin,
I had a similar problem last year. Thank goodness for RAID and USB
hardrives, I managed to salvage most of my data even though my three primary
hard drives were ruined as well. I ended up going all out and buying a UPS
and surge power bars for all my devices, a 750 watt power supply with six
fans, a cooling case, and moving most of my drives into portable housings.
As a side note, I love the way the Metal Gear Box looks, I have two sitting
on top of my computer. See http://factorydirect.ca/images/specs/ME82091.jpg
In my case, it was a combination of poor ventilation, over heating (has too
many drives in the case), and unconditioned power.
Sid
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From arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 01:47:29 2004
From: arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Alain Rochon)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:47:29 -0400
Subject: Power Surge Protection
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Message-ID:
You might also try Tiger Direct. Look at their web site www.tigerdirect.ca
for a price preview.
Alain
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From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Sidney
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Sent: September 9, 2004 7:20 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Power Surge Protection
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Henry
> Spencer
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:31 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Power Surge Protection
>
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > ...it was probably a power surge. Currently, I have a power bar, but
> > I am told that this is not enough. What should I get to ensure this
> > doesn't happen again? What does everyone here use?
I saw a couple for cheap at factorydirect.ca
Sid
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From rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 02:00:32 2004
From: rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:00:32 -0400
Subject: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
In-Reply-To: <20040909231135.HOCU25796.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@nanook>
References: <20040909231135.HOCU25796.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@nanook>
Message-ID: <004e01c496d9$f69a3f30$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com>
I found a good SCSI drive at Factory Direct just across and up the
street from Canada Computers believe it or not. Also, there is a store
across the street from Factory Direct on College that has an old server
right at the front of the store, perhaps they have some old SCSI drives.
Perhaps Mad Scientist in Kensington Market... This is also something you
might find on tor.forsale (is this correct? or tor.forsale.computer?)
news group.
Good luck,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John R.
Southern
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:12 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: RE: [TLUG]: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
Hi Peter,
I've purchased several such drives from Canada Computers
(www.canadacomputers.com). At the time (last year) they had the best
prices around, as SCSI drives tend to be rather pricey. Cheers...
... John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Peter
King
Sent: September 9, 2004 10:52 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: WHere? Fast Wide SCSI-2...
Any suggestions where I might find a fast/wide SCSI-2 disk? I'm looking
to boost disk space on an old Sun Ultra-1 to have enough room to install
a workable version of Linux (or maybe Solaris 9) -- the current drive is
only 1G, and there must be a place to go for (say) a 4.9G old scsi disk.
But I don't know where that is. Does anyone?
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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 02:33:40 2004
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:33:40 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <1094650709.2545.36.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040909223340.1828ac1b.hgibson@eol.ca>
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:38:29 -0300
Tim Goodaire wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just taken a new job in Toronto, and will be moving there from
> Halifax around the beginning of October. I will be attending TLUG
> meetings, and look forward to meeting you all.
>
> I'm looking for some information, before I move to Toronto. I would like
> to know what my options are for ISPs, and which ones you folks
> recommend. In particular, do you know if any of them block port 25? All
> of the ISPs here in Halifax do, which is rather annoying if you're a
> geek who wants to run their own mailserver at home. What about
> connection speeds? Customer service?
Tim,
Welcome to Toronto.
Echo Online did not use to block port 25, and I was able to use a local mail server to transmit email. Unfortunately, people I sending email to are on mail servers that block phone-in IP addresses. I switched back to using EOL's mail server.
Wouldn't it be fun to have some spammers tied up down in your basement and covered with peanut butter or something?
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 02:33:27 2004
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:33:27 -0400
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
In-Reply-To: <20040909223340.1828ac1b.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1094650709.2545.36.camel@localhost.localdomain>
<20040909223340.1828ac1b.hgibson@eol.ca>
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> Wouldn't it be fun to have some spammers tied up down in your basement and covered with peanut butter or something?
Ssh! Don't let them know we're doing that!
...besides, you left out the part about the fire ants. Amateur.
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 04:27:26 2004
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:27:26 -0400
Subject: OT: song/recording charts/databases on the web ?
Message-ID: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800>
Is there a recording/song metadata database available on the web? My
favourite music spans the 30's, 40's, 50's, and to the end of 1963.
E.g. pre-Beatles rock and pop and big-band. The scarey part is that a
lot of is so old that it's now public domain in Canada and most of the
planet for that matter, excluding the USA and its territories (Puerto
Rico, Guam, Iraq, etc). I'd like to find out what year songs were done,
and artist names, etc.
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 04:57:58 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 10 Sep 2004 00:57:58 -0400
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <1094759705.2810.25.camel-VXcFv1kic5hTCdAjEesVgA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
<200409091524.23245.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
<1094759705.2810.25.camel@www.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID:
David J Patrick writes:
> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 15:24, John Wildberger wrote:
> > Rescue disks are fine if you have a setup that permits the use of them. My
> > system is a ThinkPad with only an external USB floppy.
>
> at ~50meg, damnsmalllinux was designed to fit on, and boot from, a USB
> key. It features a fill (if lightweight) desktop, and essential rescue
> tools ( like .. umm.. vi !)
> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
RIP (Rescue Is Possible) is also ~50MB and boots from USB key or CD-ROM.
> > On the subject of USB floppies, does anyone know how to format them for a
> > Linux fs .
Sure, just use mke2fs, mkreiserfs, etc.
> but WHY ? It would only complicate things.
If you're sharing them with Windows, yes. But if you want to preserve
permissions, ownership, etc. w/o resorting to a tar, cpio, etc. archive, a
native Linux file system is much more convenient.
> Stay with fat16 and you will be able to sneakernet with Windoze.
> djp
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From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 11:20:13 2004
From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:20:13 -0400
Subject: running a server headless/keyboardless?
In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:48:26 -0400
References:
Message-ID: <20040910112013.GA1963@localhost>
On Thu Sep 09,2004 11:48:26 AM Henry Spencer wrote:
> If one is willing to spend money on dealing with such stupidity,
> there is (or was -- haven't kept current) at least one company
> that sells a little widget that plugs into a keyboard port and
> pretends to be a keyboard, precisely to convince stupid BIOSes
> that there really is one there.
If you're a little mechanically inclined, you can grab an old
keyboard (or buy a cheap $10 one from Factory Direct, etc.). Open it
up, keep the little circuit board and the attached cable, then junk
the rest. Put the circuit board in a small plastic bag, or somthing
else that is non-conductive. The result is a "keyboard simulator"
that is much smaller than a real keyboard.
To save even more space, you can cut a slot in a PC back plate to run
the keyboard cable through, and put the board somewhere inside the PC
case.
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 05:22:29 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:22:29 +0200
Subject: konq opens at logon
In-Reply-To:
References: <413F6BC7.10701@onlink.net> <4386c5b20409082014721d06f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41413A15.1050401@onlink.net>
Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Aaron Vegh wrote:
>
>> Did you install Knoppix correctly? Sounds like you simply copied the
>> CD files onto the harddrive.
>>
>> Under the Knoppix GUI environment, there's an application that allows
>> you to create a Knoppix install on your hard drive. That version
>> doesn't rely on the CD being installed, like the LiveCD version.
>
>
> That install did not alter the home page for me. It had to be done by
> hand in the konq properties afair (start page setting)
Do you mean 'Home URL' ? I don't see any 'start page setting'. Mine is
set to ~. However, the script or whatever must be giving instructions to
open /cdrom/index.html, which is then opened (by default) by Konqueror.
So, I think I need to know where this script or command is and kill it.
Chris
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From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 11:40:56 2004
From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:40:56 -0400
Subject: OT: song/recording charts/databases on the web ?
In-Reply-To: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800>
References: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800>
Message-ID: <200409100740.56577.m-cahill@rogers.com>
http://www.allmusic.com
This site has separate portals for classical, jazz, etc.
I consider it the IMDB of music. Cross-references collaborators:
producers, accompanying musicians, songwriters.
Matt
On September 10, 2004 12:27 am, waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org wrote:
> Is there a recording/song metadata database available on the web? My
> favourite music spans the 30's, 40's, 50's, and to the end of 1963.
> E.g. pre-Beatles rock and pop and big-band. The scarey part is that a
> lot of is so old that it's now public domain in Canada and most of the
> planet for that matter, excluding the USA and its territories (Puerto
> Rico, Guam, Iraq, etc). I'd like to find out what year songs were done,
> and artist names, etc.
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From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 12:22:10 2004
From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:22:10 -0400
Subject: OT: song/recording charts/databases on the web ?
In-Reply-To: <200409100740.56577.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800> <200409100740.56577.m-cahill@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <200409100822.10317.m-cahill@rogers.com>
> I consider it the IMDB of music. Cross-references collaborators:
> producers, accompanying musicians, songwriters.
I should add - to IMDB's credit - that allmusic.com is nowhere near as
community oriented. You can't submit information, and, as a database, they
aren't particularly transparent in terms of how it all works under the hood.
FYI
M
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From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 17:19:09 2004
From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:09 -0400
Subject: Stupid SSH tricks
Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121E9CD@lynchmail2.lynch.msft>
I have these idiots who are using a brute force attach on ssh to gain access to the system. They try over and over again with different ip addresses.
Is there any way to block an ip address after it has failed a certain number of attempts or do I have write my own script for this?
Regards,
Wil McGilvery
Manager
Lynch Digital Media Inc
416-744-7949
416-716-3964 (cell)
1-866-314-4678
416-744-0406? FAX
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From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 19:22:05 2004
From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:22:05 -0600
Subject: Stupid SSH tricks
In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121E9CD-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121E9CD@lynchmail2.lynch.msft>
Message-ID: <7aa37fa80409101222a319f9@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:19:09 -0400, Wil McGilvery wrote:
> I have these idiots who are using a brute force attach on ssh to gain access to the system. They try over and over again with different ip addresses.
>
> Is there any way to block an ip address after it has failed a certain number of attempts or do I have write my own script for this?
if your SSH is patched and up2date, and if youre not geting too much
traffic - I would just leave it alone and let them try to hack it.
Sometime back there was a brute force SSH worm that would try accounts
like guest/guest and others.
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 22:21:43 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To:
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
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Message-ID:
> If you're sharing them with Windows, yes. But if you want to preserve
> permissions, ownership, etc. w/o resorting to a tar, cpio, etc. archive, a
> native Linux file system is much more convenient.
My solution involves FAT16 formatted usb disk that mounts normally under
windoze but is mounted by automount under linux. automount.sh passes the
necessary user id and group to the mount options so the files appear to be
'mine'. I also disable exec. Running something coming from the outside by
clicking on a link gives me the shivers.
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 21:59:38 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:59:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: XP and Linux
In-Reply-To: <4140CE20.1050701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200409091258.54512.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
<200409091524.23245.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
<4140CE20.1050701@rogers.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, James Knott wrote:
> John Wildberger wrote:
>> On Thursday 09 September 2004 08:33 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>>
>>> There would have been no need to move that new partition. To make linux
>>> happy with shifted partitions one boots from a rescue disk and edits the
>>> relevant scripts (usually /etc/fstab on the root volume) and the boot
>>> script (/etc/lilo.conf or equivalent). This makes linux aware of the new
>>> setup without needing to move anything. What would you have done if you
>>> had not had a tool that moves partitions around ?
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> Rescue disks are fine if you have a setup that permits the use of them. My
>> system is a ThinkPad with only an external USB floppy. So far I have not
>> been able to use an external floppy for booting. Maybe someone has some
>> experience with this.
>> Also, recent distros have a size that excceeds the storage capacity of a
>> normal floppy.
>> On the subject of USB floppies, does anyone know how to format them for a
>> Linux fs .
>
> You can use rescue CDs with the ThinkPad. As for formatting, I haven't tried
> with a USB floppy, but I think you could use the mkfs commands.
An example of a rescue disk on steroids is knoppix ;-)
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 21:52:55 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:52:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>>
>> The exact command I'm using is:
>>
>> SORTED=$(find $TMPDIR/* -type f|grep -E [0-9]+|cut -d'/' -f4|sort)
>
> What error message is it giving you?
Maybe I did not make myself clear: I do not get an error, some filenames
simply get eaten is $SORTED is long enough. They are in $SORTED (I
checked) but after I submit $SORTED to for ... they are gone. I will have
to check again. Maybe I'm just wasting time and should go directly for a
Perl solution.
> And wouldn't this do what you want:
>
> SORTED=`find $TMPDIR -type -f -name '*[0-9]*' -printf "%f\n"`
It should but it will get more complicated later, I will want to prune
certain filenames (intersect with a list and keep what is not in it). It
will probably be done in Perl later, I just tinker with the ideas for now.
I would like to know what's broken ?
>> where the argument of find should expand to no more than 100 entries (102
>> with . and ..). the entries are guaranteed unique so that's not a problem.
>> The cut -f4 matches several slashes which are in TMPDIR and leaves just
>> the [0-9]{8} filename part to sort. Unfortunately basename cannot be used
>> in a pipe (why did they write it like that ? - I should write a
>> replacement that can be used in a pipe !).
>
> awk -F/ '{printf $NF}'
>
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 22:19:09 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:19:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OT: song/recording charts/databases on the web ?
In-Reply-To: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800>
References: <20040910042726.GC16517@m1800>
Message-ID:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org wrote:
> Is there a recording/song metadata database available on the web? My
> favourite music spans the 30's, 40's, 50's, and to the end of 1963.
> E.g. pre-Beatles rock and pop and big-band. The scarey part is that a
> lot of is so old that it's now public domain in Canada and most of the
> planet for that matter, excluding the USA and its territories (Puerto
> Rico, Guam, Iraq, etc). I'd like to find out what year songs were done,
> and artist names, etc.
I don't know about online but Akai (?) used to publish a 1000+ page book
that contained a reference to every vinyl and compact cassette ever made
in the civilised world. I saw one once in a flea market. I am not sure it
was Akai, it was one of the large Japanese firms.
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 22:31:33 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:31:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: konq opens at logon
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Aaron Vegh wrote:
>>
>>> Did you install Knoppix correctly? Sounds like you simply copied the
>>> CD files onto the harddrive.
>>>
>>> Under the Knoppix GUI environment, there's an application that allows
>>> you to create a Knoppix install on your hard drive. That version
>>> doesn't rely on the CD being installed, like the LiveCD version.
>>
>>
>> That install did not alter the home page for me. It had to be done by hand
>> in the konq properties afair (start page setting)
>
> Do you mean 'Home URL' ? I don't see any 'start page setting'. Mine is set to
yes.
> ~. However, the script or whatever must be giving instructions to open
> /cdrom/index.html, which is then opened (by default) by Konqueror. So, I
> think I need to know where this script or command is and kill it.
I don't remember where konq is started. I remember I got rid of it after a
while. It could be in Kde startup folder.
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 22:09:37 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Relocating to Toronto
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Howard Gibson wrote:
> Wouldn't it be fun to have some spammers tied up down in your basement
> and covered with peanut butter or something?
. The best (true) story I read about this was, some time ago a spammer
was operating with servers located in China. Someone reported to the
authorities that their spam contained political pamphlets against the
regime. They came and took the servers and the operators. After a week
they returned the servers ;-) Or so the story goes.
Peter
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From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Sep 10 19:58:05 2004
From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bash limits ?
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