I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 to 8MB of RAM with 1GB har d drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX technology) with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive. The reason that I'm asking this is that I want to know if older machines could run Linux depending on the distro and can be capable of surfing the internet and doing work processing tasks. In my opinion, If I want something substancal for example playing music files, I have to get a bigger system like a pentium 2, 3 or 4. Currently, I have a P4 Computer with 256MB of RDRAM, 30GB Hard Drive (planning to upgrade to 80 or 120GB hard drive by the end of the year) and my computer is currently running Windows XP P rofessional with SP2 ('i'm going to dual boot with Fedora Core 3 by the end of next year, just to try out with Linux.

What is your suggestion?

That HTML stuff looks really ugly; you might want to fix your mail client to use text instead... Anyhoo, it's certainly _possible_ to do this sort of thing... You may want something a bit more powerful than that in in that playing MP3s is pretty close to chewing up the CPU power of a 200MHz system. Your choices for distributions are mainly two: 1. Slackware 2. Debian Those are the most notable ones that support running pretty totally in text mode. Contrast with RHAT/Mandrake/SuSE that like having plenty of graphical components installed... -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'acm.org'; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxdistributions.html Introducing "lite", the new way to spell "light", with 20% fewer letters! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 02:19:33 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:19:33 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:50:33 -0500 > From: Simon Tonekham > > I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 to 8MB > of RAM with 1GB hard drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX > technology) with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive. The reason that I'm > asking this is that I want to know if older machines could run Linux > depending on the distro and can be capable of surfing the internet and > doing work processing tasks. In my opinion, If I want something > substancal for example playing music files, I have to get a bigger system > like a pentium 2, 3 or 4. Currently, I have a P4 Computer with 256MB of > RDRAM, 30GB Hard Drive (planning to upgrade to 80 or 120GB hard drive by > the end of the year) and my computer is currently running Windows XP > Professional with SP2 ('i'm going to dual boot with Fedora Core 3 by the > end of next year, just to try out with Linux. > > What is your suggestion? I personally recommend SLACKWARE. I have Slack 10 running an a Pentium 120 MHz notebook computer, with 1GB hard-drive and 16 megs of RAM. I can cram in a featureful Slack distro and still have about 200 MB of space left for my home directory. That includes an installation of MySQL and Apache. I'd have to say that pretty much everything runs smoothly with the exception of Mozilla/Firefox. Actually, even Netcape 4.7 runs really slow on it. I wouldn't recommend going back to an even older browser, since anything older likely won't support features that you're normally used to. So, I use a version of 'links' that has graphics support. Most of the time I just browse in text mode, but once in a while I run across a site that's impossible to navigate without graphics. I also do most of my work on the console, so a single XTERM window running SCREEN is more than sufficient for me. Based on the dog slow speed at which Mozilla/Firefox runs on my notebook, I'd say that OpenOffice is probably out of the question. I haven't tried Abiword or Gnumeric on it yet, so those might be worthwhile to try. The biggest problem appears to be RAM. Modern programs just aren't designed to cram inside 16 MBs of RAM; the swapping is what kills performance. You could also consider using the older computer as a dummy terminal. It just has to provide a screen and keyboard, and make a more powerful desktop run a server to do the work. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 02:20:08 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 21 Nov 2004 21:20:08 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87oehqlj53.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Slackware rox baby Got it running on a 100mhz 486DX with 4mb ram and a 853mb hard drive Just a/l/n packages without the kernel source on that machine though -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 02:30:59 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:30:59 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Question... Message-ID: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> At a number of the last TLUG and NewTLUG meetings I have brought stuff to give away. The question is, for this weeks NewTLUG what if anything should I bring to give away, as I don't currently have any new free stuff? In other words, if anyone will be at the NewTLUG meeting and wants any of the following, I will try to bring it, but if I don't get any requests, I will not bother: What I can offer is: - Unreal Tournament 2003 posters - Palm M500 series cradles - Palm III series cradles Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 03:07:50 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Simon Tonekham wrote: > I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 > to 8MB of RAM with 1GB hard drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX > technology) with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive... surfing the internet > and doing [word] processing tasks. Depends greatly on whether you are thinking of using a graphical browser (Netscape, etc etc) and/or a word processor with a graphic interface (Open Office, etc). Those memories are rather small for modern graphics stuff, I'm afraid, unless the actual *screen* (and hence the X server) is on another machine. (In that case, the 16MB MMX-200, at least, should be okay for browsing, although Open Office might be asking too much.) If you're happy with a text-only world, those remain passable machines. With a 2GB disk, it will be necessary to be a little selective about what parts of the distribution get included; with a 1GB disk, you'll have to be quite selective. One remaining issue is whether you insist on the latest release of a particular distro. The advantage is that it will be reasonably current on security patches, while an older release will have to be updated carefully before exposing it to the Internet. The disadvantage is that almost all the distros have gained weight over time, and the older releases will run well on machines that have trouble with the current ones. If an old distro is acceptable, in particular, Red Hat 7.2 runs quite well on small slow machines. It often even runs graphics reasonably well, if a bit slowly, provided the screen and X server are elsewhere. (I speak from considerable experience on this.) But you do need the security patches... Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 03:09:22 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 21 Nov 2004 22:09:22 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87d5y6lgv1.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Jing Su writes: > I personally recommend SLACKWARE. > I agree wholeheartedly - I use slackware-current mostly CLI but have fluxbox for when I really need X > > I'd have to say that pretty much everything runs smoothly with the > exception of Mozilla/Firefox. Actually, even Netcape 4.7 runs really slow > on it. I wouldn't recommend going back to an even older browser, since > anything older likely won't support features that you're normally used to. > I was using FireFox, but the latest version 1.0 prerelease, I think, (patched already) is the pits and as a matter of fact I just dumped firefox and went back to Opera. It's a bit of a culture shock, admittedly, but at least I can do whatever I like with the bookmarks and I simply love the built in RSS reader. It suits my way of working and the uses to which I put my main box anyway and for speed the Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox brigade simply cannot compete -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 03:49:58 2004 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:49:58 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041122034958.GA18187@sophocles> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 08:50:33PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 to > 8MB of RAM with 1GB hard drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX > technology) with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive. The reason that I'm > asking this is that I want to know if older machines could run Linux > depending on the distro and can be capable of surfing the internet and > doing work processing tasks. In my opinion, If I want something > substancal for example playing music files, I have to get a bigger > system like a pentium 2, 3 or 4. Currently, I have a P4 Computer with > 256MB of RDRAM, 30GB Hard Drive (planning to upgrade to 80 or 120GB > hard drive by the end of the year) and my computer is currently > running Windows XP Professional with SP2 ('i'm going to dual boot with > Fedora Core 3 by the end of next year, just to try out with > Linux. > > What is your suggestion? Your pentium is not too dissimilar to my older laptop, still in everyday use. What I run on it is a stripped down Debian sid install with qt-embedded and Opie for a GUI (the system doesn't really /need/ a GUI and it ran happily without one for a couple years, but it's easier to read pdf-formatted lecture slides with one). The choice in graphical applications is lower, due to its lack of X, but it meets my requirements. The 486 would make a pretty good terminal, but it should be reserved for text-based use. For both systems, you should consider Debian or Slackware. If you use Debian, watch your apt usage (speaking from experience, P100 laptop, 16MB RAM, loadavg > 50, apt-get upgrade took a week to run) and you may want to ignore it (post-stripping down) in favour of dpkg and manual dependencies and downloading if what you're grabbing is not excessive. If you choose to go the graphical route with your older systems, note down and research the video cards. Not all of them are supported by X or by the kernel framebuffer drivers (the vesafb driver is for VESA 2.0), but it may be possible to get them to pretend to be VESA 2.0 with a little help from DOS at the cost of about 1MB RAM. -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 04:00:55 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:00:55 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <20041122034958.GA18187@sophocles> References: <20041122034958.GA18187@sophocles> Message-ID: > X or by the kernel framebuffer drivers (the vesafb driver is for > VESA 2.0), but it may be possible to get them to pretend to be VESA 2.0 > with a little help from DOS at the cost of about 1MB RAM. I've heard of this trick, but never been able to find a reference to how it's done. Got a pointer? -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 04:25:48 2004 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:25:48 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: <20041122034958.GA18187@sophocles> Message-ID: <20041122042548.GB18187@sophocles> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 11:00:55PM -0500, Jing Su wrote: > > X or by the kernel framebuffer drivers (the vesafb driver is for > > VESA 2.0), but it may be possible to get them to pretend to be VESA 2.0 > > with a little help from DOS at the cost of about 1MB RAM. > > I've heard of this trick, but never been able to find a reference to how > it's done. Got a pointer? I've done it with a 2.6 kernel. If I recall everything correctly, On compile machine (or target before DOS stuff): 0) configure the kernel to use vesafb 1) compile kernel On target machine: 0) Install DOS (I have it in a small FAT16 hda1 at the beginning of the drive) and get system to boot that partion 1) Copy loadlin, kernel (modules can be on /), and driver into partiton - for the driver, I use UNIVBE 6.7[0] 2) Configure and load driver - run the program, follow instructions 3) Use loadlin to start linux, including where to find root 4) If framebuffer works, write autoexec.bat[1] (with CRLF termination) that loads the driver and runs loadlin. [0] , free as in beer [1] My autoexec.bat: c: c:\univbe\univbe loadlin bzImage boot=03:01 root=03:08 ro vga=0x311 -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 04:58:53 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:58:53 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A1720D.4000005@sympatico.ca> Simon Tonekham wrote: > I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 to > 8MB of RAM with 1GB hard drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX > technology) with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive. > > What is your suggestion? try DSL www.damnsmalllinux.org It's a live "bootable" linux, that you can try on your creaky old hardware without any installation comittment. It uses knoppix as a base (great hardware detection) and comes with a suite of lightweight apps, is <50 meg (3" CDable) and has been known to run on 486s If you like it, you can easily install it to the HD and, voila ! Debian system djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 11:47:03 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 06:47:03 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo Message-ID: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> I bought a brand new, shiny (would you believe brushed aluminum) 250 gig external USB drive last week. Christmas hasn't come as early as I expected. If I boot from the Gentoo minimal 2004.3 distro CD, I can fdisk, format, mount it as /dev/sda1, and use the drive as I'm supposed to. However, I can't seem to get my custom kernel to recognize it. I don't think it's a udev issue. I've booted into devfs, and get the same lack of response. I've got what I think are the necessary items in "make menuconfig" for SCSI and USB. "fdisk /dev/uba" shows a partition that is 34,001 cylinders, rather than 34,000. Mounting /dev/uba gives a directory with some metadata, just like /proc/sys/bus/usb. So far, no luck on the Gentoo list. Any ideas here? -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 14:09:12 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> Message-ID: <41A1F308.7050004@alteeve.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I bought a brand new, shiny (would you believe brushed aluminum) 250 > gig external USB drive last week. Christmas hasn't come as early as I > expected. If I boot from the Gentoo minimal 2004.3 distro CD, I can > fdisk, format, mount it as /dev/sda1, and use the drive as I'm supposed > to. However, I can't seem to get my custom kernel to recognize it. > > I don't think it's a udev issue. I've booted into devfs, and get the > same lack of response. I've got what I think are the necessary items in > "make menuconfig" for SCSI and USB. "fdisk /dev/uba" shows a partition > that is 34,001 cylinders, rather than 34,000. Mounting /dev/uba gives a > directory with some metadata, just like /proc/sys/bus/usb. So far, no > luck on the Gentoo list. Any ideas here? > Hi Walter, I am drawing a blank at the moment but I had a very similar problem before. What I can tell you is that in my case it was an option related to USB that I was missing. It wasn't obvious and it was a head-slap when I figured it out. I'll keep rumaging through my memories for what it was exactly and post if I remember but in the meantime hopefully that will help you a bit. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 14:31:05 2004 From: phillip-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg at public.gmane.org (phil) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:31:05 -0500 Subject: "Linux" motherboard In-Reply-To: <41A12D29.3070200-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <98B85AE0-3C0F-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <41A12339.3040809@truxtar.com> <374B6B78-3C17-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <41A12D29.3070200@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <247F495A-3C93-11D9-BC88-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> On Nov 21, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Anton Markov wrote: > Figure out what you want first. The best way to get ripped off is to > not know what you want, what you can efford, and which features are > you willing to compromise. If you can't figure out what you want, what > you want specifically, maybe you don't need to buy anything at all. :) Good suggestion. I know exactly what I want : something fairly quick for advanced database development, with lots of memory, reasonable disk space, CD/DVD burning, and good expandability. "Standard" graphics, sound, ethernet, keyboard, mouse...no modem, no firewire, no monitor, no camera. The problem arises when I try to turn my (end-user level) requirements into names of specific hardware pieces that can be pulled off a shelf. I need to write a user2component requirements translation program! :-) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 15:16:12 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:16:12 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <20041122020411.C56B63FCF-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122020411.C56B63FCF@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:04:11 -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > You may want something a bit more powerful than that in in that playing > MP3s is pretty close to chewing up the CPU power of a 200MHz system. I have to disagree on this. I have very fond memories of running WinAMP on P200 machines at school with little to no noticeable detriment to system performance. Now, if you were running it on Win3.1 with too small an audio buffer, Word might decided to cause chunky audio. But a Linux box should be fine (particulalry headless using mpg123). IIRC the borderline for MP3 ability is the 486/586 line. To keep it from skipping on a really borderline system you may have to give it realtime priority, though. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 15:57:54 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:57:54 -0800 Subject: "Linux" motherboard In-Reply-To: <247F495A-3C93-11D9-BC88-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <98B85AE0-3C0F-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <41A12339.3040809@truxtar.com> <374B6B78-3C17-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <41A12D29.3070200@truxtar.com> <247F495A-3C93-11D9-BC88-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <9712993f04112207576dd1a0f6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:31:05 -0500, phil wrote: > On Nov 21, 2004, at 7:04 PM, Anton Markov wrote: > > > Figure out what you want first. The best way to get ripped off is to > > not know what you want, what you can efford, and which features are > > you willing to compromise. If you can't figure out what you want, what > > you want specifically, maybe you don't need to buy anything at all. :) > > Good suggestion. I know exactly what I want : something fairly quick > for advanced database development, with lots of memory, reasonable disk > space, CD/DVD burning, and good expandability. "Standard" graphics, > sound, ethernet, keyboard, mouse...no modem, no firewire, no monitor, > no camera. > > The problem arises when I try to turn my (end-user level) requirements > into names of specific hardware pieces that can be pulled off a shelf. > > I need to write a user2component requirements translation program! :-) You forgot to mention how much you are interested in spending ? -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Budd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 16:04:51 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:04:51 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> Message-ID: <20041122160451.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:47:03AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I bought a brand new, shiny (would you believe brushed aluminum) 250 > gig external USB drive last week. Christmas hasn't come as early as I > expected. If I boot from the Gentoo minimal 2004.3 distro CD, I can > fdisk, format, mount it as /dev/sda1, and use the drive as I'm supposed > to. However, I can't seem to get my custom kernel to recognize it. > > I don't think it's a udev issue. I've booted into devfs, and get the > same lack of response. I've got what I think are the necessary items in > "make menuconfig" for SCSI and USB. "fdisk /dev/uba" shows a partition > that is 34,001 cylinders, rather than 34,000. Mounting /dev/uba gives a > directory with some metadata, just like /proc/sys/bus/usb. So far, no > luck on the Gentoo list. Any ideas here? Are you using usb-storage or the new (somewhat broken for now and slower) usb media driver that arived in 2.6.8 or 2.6.9? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 16:14:21 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:14:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tech Dollar Sale & Auction Message-ID: <20041122161421.41413.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tech Dollar Sale & Auction Great Technology from $1 to Help Charity Computers, Printers, Monitors, Wireless & More!!! Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. 169 Eastern Avenue (Bayview Ave. & Eastern Ave.) The first Technology Dollar Sale & Auction, in support of the Resource Project and Project: Warmth, will take place on Saturday, December 11, 2004. Starting at 11:00 a.m. and finishing at 4 p.m., hundreds of great gently used working technology items will be up for sale at bargain prices. At the top of every hour there will be an auction of 1 item starting at $1. Items for auction will include 20?? monitors, ink jet printers, notebook computers and more! People or businesses are invited to bring in their older, but still functioning, technologies to sell or swap (how much of this stuff do we all have hanging around our home or office?). Selling/swap tables are available from $10. Donations of gently used equipment are also welcome to support the 2 community projects. General Admission is $5 (children under 12 are FREE). If you bring a donation of a clean sleeping bag, blanket or working piece of technology admission is only $2. As the original computer resourcing and redeployment project in Canada (est. 1993), Resource Project has delivered over 76,000 computers and peripherals to schools, community agencies and technology challenged individuals. Project: Warmth started in 1993 and has distributed over 250,000 sleeping bags and blankets to those most in need in our community. For additional information, contact: Ron Smith at (416) 955-1551 x315 or rsmith-YFak03Ir5nStlBvVaVFjCkB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org The Technology Dollar Sale & Auction is a project of Innovation Toronto and is part of an ongoing series of events to support community projects. Please check www.techsale.org for up-to-the-minute details. Innovation Toronto is the umbrella organization for 2 charities working to aid innovation in the Greater Toronto Area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 16:23:22 2004 From: pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:23:22 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Question... In-Reply-To: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <1101140602.41a2127a51005@thekays.ca> Colin, Quoting Colin McGregor : > At a number of the last TLUG and NewTLUG meetings I have brought stuff to > give away. The question is, for this weeks NewTLUG what if anything should > I > bring to give away, as I don't currently have any new free stuff? In other > words, if anyone will be at the NewTLUG meeting and wants any of the > following, I will try to bring it, but if I don't get any requests, I will > not bother: > > What I can offer is: > > - Unreal Tournament 2003 posters > - Palm M500 series cradles > - Palm III series cradles > > > Colin McGregor > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > I have a co-worker that has a Palm M130. I think it uses the same cradle as the M500. I'll try to confirm that later. I may not be able to attend tomorrow's meeting, so I thought I'd contact you personally today. If I can confirm that it uses the same cradle, I know he'd be interested. I'll get back in touch with you by email either later today or tomorrow to let you know what's going on a little better. Thanks for the offer of the free stuff. Phil Kay -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 19:58:26 2004 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:58:26 -0500 Subject: Proxy Configuration (Console) In-Reply-To: <20041122161421.41413.qmail-2K+iNxKRQwOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122161421.41413.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41A244E2.5050002@clublink.ca> Hello, Does anyone know how to set console tools (ftp, et al) to use a proxy server on a corporate lan? I've been reading a bit about it here and all roads are pointing to do some really (scary for me) kernel recompiling. Is there an easier way of doing this? If needed I'm using DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux) which is based on Debian Thanks in advance, B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 20:22:35 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:22:35 -0500 Subject: Proxy Configuration (Console) In-Reply-To: <41A244E2.5050002-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122161421.41413.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <41A244E2.5050002@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <20041122202235.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 02:58:26PM -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > Does anyone know how to set console tools (ftp, et al) to use a proxy > server on a corporate lan? > > I've been reading a bit about it here and all roads are pointing to do > some really (scary for me) kernel recompiling. Is there an easier way > of doing this? > > If needed I'm using DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux) which is based on Debian For those tools that support proxies (and just like on windows and other OSs, not every tool does), usually HTTP_PROXY or something like it as a variable works. There should be a similar variable for HTTPS and FTP. Of course many also allow options on the command line on in the config for the tool, but the environment variable is pretty handy and universal. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 20:24:55 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:24:55 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <9712993f04112118027e535247-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <9712993f04112118027e535247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041122202455.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 06:02:05PM -0800, Lloyd D Budd wrote: > Debian is your best bet . As a general purpose distribution that does > not leave anyone (any old hardware) behind . If you are using it for > limited server tasks then there is likely a specialized Linux distro > for the hardware and the task . It does however have ram requirements for installing, which often can be worked around by installing in a machine with enough ram, and then moving the disk over to the final machine. I think woody requires 16 to 24M to install, and sarge might take 32M if you pick 2.6 kernel. My 486 has 48M ram and hence has no problem running Debian. You can always use more ram. :) > You can try a liveCD today ! -- allows you to run Linux from the > CD-Rom . MEPIS seems to be a winner . Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 21:10:38 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:10:38 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <20041122202455.GE8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <9712993f04112118027e535247@mail.gmail.com> <20041122202455.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Here's a link which is starting to age, and yet is is so many ways ageless: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/linuxchix/2002/07/msg00016.html No mention of the 2.6 kernel, but it gives a good grounding in how to lower RAM requirements for a useable system. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 22 23:43:36 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:43:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Proxy Configuration (Console) In-Reply-To: <20041122202235.GD8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122161421.41413.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <41A244E2.5050002@clublink.ca> <20041122202235.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 02:58:26PM -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > > Does anyone know how to set console tools (ftp, et al) to use a proxy > > server on a corporate lan? > > > > I've been reading a bit about it here and all roads are pointing to do > > some really (scary for me) kernel recompiling. Is there an easier way > > of doing this? > > > > If needed I'm using DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux) which is based on Debian > > For those tools that support proxies (and just like on windows and other > OSs, not every tool does), usually HTTP_PROXY or something like it as a > variable works. There should be a similar variable for HTTPS and FTP. > Of course many also allow options on the command line on in the config > for the tool, but the environment variable is pretty handy and > universal. For those tools that do not support proxies the only option is really a "transparent proxy". That can be done by the box running the utility or any box routing the data to its eventual destination. It is quite common to have a firewall redirect all outbound HTTP or SMTP traffic to a local box for purposes of saving bandwidth, security, monitoring or control. This does not work well with all protocols. Under Linux iptables will give you the desired functionality as long as the right modules are loaded. I'd be surprised if the original poster had to recompile the kernel. The default distro kernels should normally come with the relevant modules. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 00:45:28 2004 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:45:28 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) References: <9712993f04112118027e535247@mail.gmail.com> <20041122202455.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Thought about Vectorlinux? Based on Slackware, but designed for older systems. http://www.vectorlinux.com/ (not sure if this has been posted already, just installed gentoo but realised that I was using pop for mail... imap now... sigh) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jon.dmml-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 01:30:12 2004 From: jon.dmml-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jonathan Mendonca) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:30:12 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41a292a5.777a21b7.0952.0305@smtp.gmail.com> Just a question... I heard that it might be possible to set up one computer to be a server and then just use the old computer to connect to it. How would I set this up? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 01:33:08 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:33:08 -0800 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <41a292a5.777a21b7.0952.0305-TAvD023jEQEN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41a292a5.777a21b7.0952.0305@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9712993f0411221733581f9371@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:30:12 -0500, Jonathan Mendonca wrote: > Just a question... I heard that it might be possible to set up one computer > to be a server and then just use the old computer to connect to it. How > would I set this up? Linux Terminal Server ;-) -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Budd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Kmn+IJ3LNoALdU66LFfYcQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 01:38:46 2004 From: tlug-Kmn+IJ3LNoALdU66LFfYcQ at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:38:46 -0500 Subject: "Linux" motherboard In-Reply-To: <98B85AE0-3C0F-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8-l+pbsqP8NtUm29vl6s1fFg@public.gmane.org> References: <98B85AE0-3C0F-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> Message-ID: <41A294A6.7060104@newmania.eml.cc> phil wrote: > Since it would be nice to support those who respect the community, does > anyone know if any of the motherboard manufacturers *do* support Linux > explicitly? I've had a lot of luck with mobos based on the NFORCE2 chipset. NVidia produces (proprietary :P) Linux drivers for all of the neat extras, like the nice inbuilt sound card (with hardware mixing) and LAN card. Unfortunatley, many people (myself included) don't see proprietary drivers as "supporting" GNU/Linux per se. But still, it works great, it's very fast and most boards are fairly affordable to boot. -- Get Firefox - take back the web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 03:37:36 2004 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:37:36 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <41a292a5.777a21b7.0952.0305-TAvD023jEQEN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41a292a5.777a21b7.0952.0305@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041123033736.GC18187@sophocles> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 08:30:12PM -0500, Jonathan Mendonca wrote: > Just a question... I heard that it might be possible to set up one computer > to be a server and then just use the old computer to connect to it. How > would I set this up? Depends upon how you want to do it. You can run a program like minicom on the 486 and in inittab on the newer machine tell it to run getty over a serial port using a null modem cable. You can build a network and ssh in. There are more ways, just find some method to connect the systems and you'll probably find a server and a client that you can play around with. -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 04:58:45 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:58:45 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041122160451.GC8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> <20041122160451.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 11:04:51AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > Are you using usb-storage or the new (somewhat broken for now and > slower) usb media driver that arived in 2.6.8 or 2.6.9? It's "usb-storage". Gentoo masks out "unstable" modules with the "~x86" flag, which I haven't enabled, so I should be able to build it in the first place. And oh yeah, I'm on the trailing edge, with an older machine. The "advanced options" BIOS setting loads USB 1.1 functionality, rather than the default 1.0. 1.1 is the lowest that Gentoo appears to support. Even the distro CD won't find the drive if I drop USB functionality to 1.0. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 12:39:16 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 23 Nov 2004 07:39:16 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate Message-ID: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> >From the Official site: Comments? Tuesday, November 16, 2004, 10:43 "Last post?" Hi folks. If you're reading this, I thank you. Perhaps you'll have a role to play in bringing about the miracle that I desperately need. First, I'd like to apologize for the lack of updates lately in Slackware -current and stable... I know there are a few outstanding issues that need to be addressed. However, I've been too sick to work for a couple of weeks and now I am away from my computers and at my parents' house in Fargo, North Dakota where my only online access is through an AOL dialup. I have told only a select few people about what's going on thinking that I did not want the internet at large to know about this, that I'd get it taken care of and get back on track without a major problem. Now, I'm hoping that this will get seen by a lot of people and that if it hits Slashdot that some kind medical geek will help save my life. I've generally been a pretty healthy guy. Nobody I know would characterize me as a hypochondriac by any stretch, so when I raise an alarm it tends to be for real. I'm going to give a timeline and run through all the symptoms I've had (so if that sort of thing grosses you out, you can stop reading right now). For the rest of you, here goes. This is going to be long, but hopefully somebody who can help will read it... This all began quite some time ago, perhaps as long ago as May of 2001. I was preparing Slackware 8.0 for release and working really hard. A pain developed in my shoulder, and (too busy to do anything about it right away) I ignored it and continued to keep working. It got to be pretty bad and one afternoon in early June I was rushed to the emergency room at a hospital in Concord, California. I was sweating, feverish, with a weak pulse of around 50, experiencing chills and seeming to be on the verge of passing out. The doctor who saw me did a chest X-ray and didn't think it was too unusual. I was told it was probably bronchitis and was sent home with a prescription for ciprofloxacin which mostly cleared up the problem. Still the pain in my shoulder seemed to vaguely remain. By mid October of 2001, I was in bad shape again. My parents asked me what I wanted for my birthday and I told them some more Cipro. They found someone who was able to help me out with a 60 day supply (no small task as this was right after the infamous Anthrax mailings when all the newspapers were running articles about Cipro and people were trying to horde it). I finished the two month course of antibiotics and felt better. Not perfect, but significantly improved. I chalked the events of 2001 up to stress, but in retrospect I am not so sure. I had similar problems in 2002 and 2003 that were also knocked back with some antibiotics, but the pain in my left upper back (and some kind of "presence" there) never did fully clear up. Tests for TB came back negative. Fast forward to May of this year. I found myself complaining about "my usual pain", as I had started to call it, more and more. I was starting to wonder if I was even going to be able to make my annual camping trip out in western New York state at the beginning of July, but I did go. I figured the sun and a little exercise would do me some good, and I did feel a little less like I was "fixin' to die," but upon my return to California things started to go downhill for me again. This whole time I was coughing up some strange stuff. Some of it was white and reminded me of dental plaque. In spite of being a dentist's son I've never had the best oral hygiene so I'm familiar with plaque. The "plaque" I was getting out of my lungs was some nasty stuff and smelled just like dental floss used after a couple of days without brushing. Yeah, I know I should be better about that, but tend to stay up late and if my wife is already asleep don't always turn the light on and wake her up so I can brush before bed. To help me avoid more tooth decay my dad bought me one of those fancy rechargable electric toothbrushes that really powers away the plaque. It also creates a fine aerosol mist of plaque, and I started to wonder if 4 years of using this brush had caused me to breathe in some of this plaque mist and moved an infection into my lungs. I inquired with several physicians about "lung plaque" and most of them had never heard of such a thing. One told me he had heard of something like that in people who were exposed to asbestos, though. Searching on Google didn't turn up any relevant hits on the subject. By early September 2004, I was spending a good portion of the time I'd normally be working online flat on my back instead. The pain that had started in my left upper back had moved into my left side below the ribs, and my right side just under my armpit, too. Being an ex-smoker, worries of lung cancer were starting to consume my thoughts. A close friend of my father's had recently died from that disease, and his initial symptom was also shoulder pain -- in fact, they treated him for a presumed pulled muscle for many months while the real problem went undiagnosed. Sometime in October I decided that it was time to pull my head out of the sand and get in to see my usual physician who runs a small clinic in Concord, tell him all of this stuff, and at least try to get cancer ruled out. He ordered chest X-rays, blood work, ran an EKG, and checked all my usual vital signs. I told him about the "lung plaque" and reported feeling weak all the time with no appetite. Being 6'2" and about 145 pounds I knew I didn't want to be losing any weight. He also listened to my chest and like all the doctors I've seen this year thought it sounded mostly clear, like there wasn't anything major going on there. The X-ray was a little different story though. It was taken on a Thursday and I was told not to expect to hear anything until sometime the next week. Well, the next morning the phone rang and it was my doctor. He told me there was something "suspicious" seen in my left upper lung (right about where the long-standing pain was), and that I needed to get some more X-rays at the local hospital instead of the imaging center I'd gone to before. They weren't going to be able to get me in there until the next Monday. The next morning I decided that I'd better FedEx some T-shirts that my friends at the GUS in Brazil had been waiting for (not knowing how much longer I could procrastinate on that, etc). While driving back I felt a sharp pain in my left side and felt something in there pop and drain (maybe into the pleura?), and since cancer was well on my mind, as well as the fact that this had been going on for way too long, I headed straight to the nearest ER hoping I wasn't bleeding internally or something like that. By the time the doctor there saw me I was holding onto my left side which seemed to help the pain a bit. He ran a UA (and called it "questionable") and sent me down for a CT scan. No iodine dye -- just a lower abdominal scan to see if I had any kidney stones (and yes, I related as much of this other info as he had time to hear in a busy ER). No stones were found, but he wrote me a script for Cipro and some pain medication. I showed up at the hospital the next day (in only slightly better shape) to try to schedule additional X-rays, but they had misplaced the fax my doctor had sent in, and they didn't want to schedule additional images until they had seen the first ones. I never did see those myself, and the imaging center requires a 48 hour notice to check out films. It was starting to look like going through this medical center was going to be a slow process, and I wasn't sure I had that kind of time. So, I made the decision to pack up the car and drive back to North Dakota from California. My Dad has been part of the medical community for years there, and knows a lot of people. I figured he would know who I should be seeing, and could help me set something up. A week ago Sunday (Nov. 7) my wife Andrea and I set out to make the 1680 mile drive to Fargo. We made it as far as Monida Pass. This is a mountain pass on the Idaho/Montana border with an elevation of 6820 feet. On the way up the grade I knew it wasn't going to be kind to me. I felt an intense squeezing under my sternum and started to sweat and nearly passed out. I've never previously had any trouble with high elevations and have done hiking and mountain biking at much higher ones than this particular pass. Luckily Andrea was driving at the time! We decided that we would stop at the next fairly large town with a hospital and see what they could do for me. This was Butte, Montana, an old mining town, and home of St. James Hospital. The folks there were absolutely wonderful to me. They did some more blood work (finding only a slightly low potassium level), chest X-rays, and a CT with the iodine. They didn't wait long for the dye to circulate because they said the main goal there was to insure I didn't have a pulmonary embolism. I did not have that. The doctor and radiologist also told me my lungs looked "slightly inflamed" and to stay on the Cipro, but that I was unlikely to keel over before making it to Fargo, especially as I'd be losing elevation rapidly upon heading east. They packed the X-rays and CT scans into a big envelope and told me I could borrow it to take to my doctor in Fargo, and that they see a lot of people come in from that pass with similar problems. So, off we went. I was mostly ok getting back to Fargo, but never lost the feeling that someone was leaning on my chest pressing on my sternum, and was occasionally short of breath even after getting down to the 1000 foot elevation. Back in Fargo, I had an appointment with an internal MD on Thursday morning. By Wednesday night the pressure under my sternum was so bad that it felt like I was having a heart attack, and was again taken to an ER (the Slackware 2004 ER tour continues). While there I started to feel better, and the pressure was letting up, and I did not want to be a GOMER in their emergency room. The doctor I saw the next day focused on the possibility of a thyroid or liver problem, and ran some more tests that came back looking ok. He thought the CT from Butte looked "within normal limits". That night I again got the squeeze (pericardis?) but suffered through it because I did not want to go back to the ER. I've had at least one strong attack every day since, along with the sensation of "pop and drain" in all the original pain points and under my sternum. The next day (Saturday, 13th) I went to a local clinic with an MD in private practice. This guy was/is great, and has seen me about a half dozen times since. He agreed that I had signs of serious infection, including a disgusting garlic/sulfur smell you could detect at 50 paces. He put me on levaquinone and metronidazole hoping to have a better chance of covering whatever the responsible bacteria was. Took more X-rays but couldn't see anything obvious. We discussed getting an echocardiogram to look for pericardius. Then, I got my Google breakthrough. One of the symptoms I'd noticed over a year ago was feeling like something hard was stuck in my throat causing me to cough. Maybe 4 times I was able to recover was looked like a small (<= 1mm), round, hard granule that was light yellow in color. I'm sure I swallowed a bunch of them, but hadn't seen too many examples and had not remembered to mention this to any MDs along the way. I googled for "yellow lung granule" and maybe the third hit mentioned something called Actinomycosis. There it was, a laundry list of the symptoms I'd been experiencing. Furthermore, the disease is caused by the same bacteria that normally lives in the mouth and in dental plaque. Infections are most common in the jaw, but sometimes occur in the lungs and spread elsewhere through the body. The hallmark of the disease is the finding of small granules of sulfur. Aha, I thought. Now that I know what this is, I should be able to get some treatment. I tried "sulfur lung granule" on Google instead and had a ton of hits, all highly relevant to the situation I was experiencing. I printed out one of the hits from the Johns Hopkins Microbiology newsletter and raced back to the clinic to tell Rodney about it. He looked it over and thanked me for doing so much work for him (whatta guy :-), and on the basis of what I'd told him felt there was a good chance that we were looking at the answer right there. None of the antibiotics I was on would touch this -- they were all too modern. That was one of the terrible side effects of old antibiotics; they would kill the natural flora in the mouth and GI tract and you have all kinds of problems like fungal and yeast infections as a result. So the newer classes of antibiotics are carefully chosen to avoid killing those types of bacteria, and this was probably caused by Actinomyces, the most common bacteria in the mouth. When found in a lab culture, its presence tends to be discounted as normal. So, what kills this stuff? Good old penicillin. Yup, while everything else in the world became resistant to penicillin and amoxicillin, Actinomyces israelii never did. Rodney had me quit taking the other antibiotics and put me on amoxicillin (even though V-cillin-K 1g qid might have been a better choice). I've been on it for a couple of days and I'm doing a bit better. I don't stink anymore and the palms of my hands have quit sweating. He also gave me five days of prednisone which seems to be lessening the frequency of the chest attacks, although one did get me out of bed at 03:00 last night (and I took the opportunity to start working on this report hoping to save myself). Problem is, things are somewhat contained, but still appear to be spreading. I'm getting sudden pressure releases occasionally that seem to be coming from the pleura or pericardium, and this morning had one that seemed to be inside my head. This has me more than a little concerned. - From everything I've read about this, it is a really tough thing to treat. Oral penicillin generally does not do it. What is needed is 2 to 6 weeks of IV penicillin G (12 to 24 million units a day), followed by 12 months of V-cillin-K 1g four times a day. Amoxicillin 500mg 3 times a day has me in a holding pattern, but it's probably not going to do the trick. Rodney has no ability to directly admit me to a hospital without first sending me to an infectious disease MD there who would have to agree with all of this. I have an appointment on Friday. There you have it. That's where I am today. If anyone out there is familiar with this and is able to help, please let me know. I'll travel anywhere I have to at this point. I can be reached on my cell phone at (925) 535-9062. Please call only if you can help get me some high-dose antibiotic treatment. I have been trying to check email at least once a day at volkerdi-qaNcByWzZlFl57MIdRCFDg at public.gmane.org as well. I'll accept whatever you'd like to send me at that address (as usual :-), but if you're contacting me with an offer of help please add [HELP] to the subject so that I'll be able to find those emails more easily. Say prayers, knock on wood, whatever. I need all the help I can get. Anything sent here will be confidential unless you say otherwise, too. I also hope if I'm off the job for a couple more weeks that the Slackware community will still support me when I can return to the job, which I'm really itching to do ASAP (I'm not looking for donations though). This experience has changed my perspective on a lot of things, and I think the future will be different (and better). Oh, there's this blood test result which I should also mention. While almost everything looks normal there, the following white cell counts are (barely) out of the normal range: Neutrophils 79 (high) NormalRange = 40-75 Lymphocytes 16 (low) = 20-45 Absolute Eosinophil 0.00 (low) = 0.015-0.500 BTW, my login quote tonight was "Snow and adolescence are the only problems that disappear if you ignore them long enough." heh. Thanks for listening. - --- Patrick J. Volkerding -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 13:17:47 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:17:47 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Update Message-ID: <00ed01c4d15e$d405d6e0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Thanks to Rick Tomaschuk I will have some new Novell magazines to give away at NewTLUG and for those who miss tonight's NewTLUG meeting I will have some of the same magazine to give away at the December TLUG meeting. Look forward to see you at tonight's NewTLUG meeting. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:13:05 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:13:05 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <877jockadn.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A34571.1060209@rogers.com> Sounds phony to me. I don't see any mention of it on the Slackware site. Also, if he needs medication, a prescription and a trip to the pharmacy should do the trick. SlackRat wrote: >>From the Official site: > > Comments? > > Tuesday, November 16, 2004, 10:43 > > "Last post?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:18:09 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: "Linux" motherboard In-Reply-To: <41A294A6.7060104-Kmn+IJ3LNoALdU66LFfYcQ@public.gmane.org> References: <98B85AE0-3C0F-11D9-9606-00050249A5C8@millsgarthson.ca> <41A294A6.7060104@newmania.eml.cc> Message-ID: <20041123141809.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 08:38:46PM -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > I've had a lot of luck with mobos based on the NFORCE2 chipset. NVidia > produces (proprietary :P) Linux drivers for all of the neat extras, like > the nice inbuilt sound card (with hardware mixing) and LAN card. > > Unfortunatley, many people (myself included) don't see proprietary > drivers as "supporting" GNU/Linux per se. But still, it works great, > it's very fast and most boards are fairly affordable to boot. Well as for the nforce/nforce2 you can run the ethernet just fine with the forcedeth driver (which is what I use) that was reverse engineered. Sound you can at least get stereo ac97 level support in both OSS and alsa using the i810 drivers. If you want more you need to use the proprietary drives, or get an sb live which has full open source drivers. Everything else: usb, firewire, sata, ide, etc, all works with standard drivers. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:20:36 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:20:36 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> <20041122160451.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> Message-ID: <20041123142036.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 11:58:45PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > It's "usb-storage". Gentoo masks out "unstable" modules with the > "~x86" flag, which I haven't enabled, so I should be able to build it in > the first place. And oh yeah, I'm on the trailing edge, with an older > machine. The "advanced options" BIOS setting loads USB 1.1 > functionality, rather than the default 1.0. 1.1 is the lowest that > Gentoo appears to support. Even the distro CD won't find the drive if I > drop USB functionality to 1.0. Well for usb-storage you need scsi disk support enabled, and the usb-storage driver, after which your usb disks should appear as /dev/sdXY where X is a b c and so and and Y is a partition number (if the driver has partitions). /dev/uba is only for the new (currently broken it seems) usb-storage system driver. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 13:27:07 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:27:07 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> <20041122160451.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> Message-ID: <41A33AAB.3010507@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > > 1.1 is the lowest that Gentoo appears to support. I find that my iRiver H120 -- which is basically a USB HD which happens to play music -- to be almost unusable under USB1.x. I get filesystem timeouts, which cause the drive to unmount. Installing a USB 2.0 ehci card fixed this. It's reliable now. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:46:34 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:46:34 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A34571.1060209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34571.1060209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A34D4A.80102@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > Sounds phony to me. I don't see any mention of it on the Slackware site. 'twas beaten to death on /. a few days ago. Appears to be legit, since PV contributes to a thread: Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:52:16 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:52:16 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A34571.1060209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34571.1060209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041123145216.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 09:13:05AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Sounds phony to me. I don't see any mention of it on the Slackware site. > > Also, if he needs medication, a prescription and a trip to the pharmacy > should do the trick. Well if you read what it mentioned, it isn't something you just go get. Go to ANY slackware-current mirror and look at the file ie: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/ file: PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt So either it is real, or slackware has a serious security breach on their servers somewhere. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:52:49 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 23 Nov 2004 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A34571.1060209-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34571.1060209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <873bz0k472.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> James Knott writes: > Sounds phony to me. I don't see any mention of it on the Slackware site. > Firstly Patrick would not post something like that if it wasn't legitimate Secondly it has been there for a week and a fully operational Patrick Volkerding would have removed it ages ago if by some chance some prankster had managed to post it into the ftp download area. ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt The original link is on the changelogs page of the site Thirdly Patrick has always been timely with the updates to Slackware current and there have not been any for three weeks. And Fourthly ''Linux Today'' is running the story. My particular interest, besides wishing Patrick a speedy recovery, is in the future of Slackware -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 14:52:51 2004 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Mike Waychison) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:52:51 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <877jockadn.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 SlackRat wrote: > From the Official site: > > Comments? > > Tuesday, November 16, 2004, 10:43 > > "Last post?" > This was on /. about a week ago: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/16/1846207&tid=14&tid=106 Mike Waychison -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBo07DdQs4kOxk3/MRApOQAJ40Q9FLUAdPgVWgmRCk2G5ZbkhH2ACfSLWZ XZxkvxsaMoArXN2+YTU71QU= =MxhM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 15:16:53 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:16:53 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <20041123145216.GH8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34571.1060209@rogers.com> <20041123145216.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41A35465.80405@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 09:13:05AM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Sounds phony to me. I don't see any mention of it on the Slackware site. >> >>Also, if he needs medication, a prescription and a trip to the pharmacy >>should do the trick. > > > Well if you read what it mentioned, it isn't something you just go get. > > Go to ANY slackware-current mirror and look at the file It was on only one of 4 Canadian sites I tried and none of 5 UK sites. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 15:59:39 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:59:39 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A34EC3.9000604-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> Message-ID: <41A35E6B.9050609@rogers.com> Mike Waychison wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 What I have a problem with, is he's asking for help in getting prescription drugs. No one can legally do that, without a prescription. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 15:54:19 2004 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:54:19 -0500 Subject: Trouble installing pgAdmin3 on Mandrake 10.1 Message-ID: <1101225259.23305.10.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Hey, Does anyone here use pgAdmin3? I use to have it working fine a while back but then I upgraded to Mandrake 10.1 and lost my old version of pgAdmin3 so I had to install the new version. They seem to do things different now, using wxWindows. I followed the instructions for installing it that is in the docs directory like so: # cd wxWindows-pgAdmin3 # ./configure --with-gtk --enable-gtk2 --enable-unicode --disable-shared --enable-debug # make # make install # ldconfig Install the wxWindows Styled Text Control as follows: # cd contrib/src/stc # make # make install # ldconfig Install the wxWindows XML Recources as follows:# cd ../xrc # make # make install # ldconfig Download and unpack the pgAdmin source code. # ./configure --enable-static --enable-debug # make all # make install However when I run the ./configure command for pgAdmin I get the following error: error: Could not find wx-config in /usr Just above this line it prints out that I have wxWindows installed and the this error comes. Do I have to change my path or something? Thanks for any help. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 16:02:23 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Question... In-Reply-To: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:30:59 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > At a number of the last TLUG and NewTLUG meetings I have brought stuff to > give away. The question is, for this weeks NewTLUG what if anything should I > bring to give away, as I don't currently have any new free stuff? In other > words, if anyone will be at the NewTLUG meeting and wants any of the > following, I will try to bring it, but if I don't get any requests, I will > not bother: > > What I can offer is: > > - Unreal Tournament 2003 posters > - Palm M500 series cradles > - Palm III series cradles As a general rule of thumb, when the meetings are held at the IBM location, please restrict items to non-PC parts. Security in the building will not be happy with people walking out with adapter cards, memory, etc., no matter how old or used they are. The stuff mentioned above is fine, as are books and the like. If you do bring in something large, like a PC for demonstration, make sure you tell the security folks, so they know that when you walk out with it, it is yours. Thanks, pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 16:22:36 2004 From: bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:22:36 -0500 Subject: which Linux distro would run on a 486 or a pentium 200 (even with MMX) In-Reply-To: <9712993f04112118027e535247-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <9712993f04112118027e535247@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A363CC.7070205@clublink.ca> Lloyd D Budd wrote: >On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:50:33 -0500, Simon Tonekham > wrote: > > >>I was just wondering, which linux distro would run on a 486 with 4 to 8MB of >>RAM with 1GB hard drive or maybe a Pentium 200 (even with MMX technology) >>with 16MB of RAM and 2GB hard drive. The reason that I'm asking this is that >>I want to know if older machines could run Linux depending on the distro and >>can be capable of surfing the internet and doing work processing tasks. >> >> >Debian is your best bet . As a general purpose distribution that does >not leave anyone (any old hardware) behind . If you are using it for >limited server tasks then there is likely a specialized Linux distro >for the hardware and the task . > > > >>In >>my opinion, If I want something substancal for example playing music files, >>I have to get a bigger system like a pentium 2, 3 or 4. Currently, I have a >>P4 Computer with 256MB of RDRAM, 30GB Hard Drive (planning to upgrade to 80 >>or 120GB hard drive by the end of the year) and my computer is currently >>running Windows XP Professional with SP2 ('i'm going to dual boot with >>Fedora Core 3 by the end of next year, just to try out with Linux. >> >>What is your suggestion? >> >> > >You can try a liveCD today ! -- allows you to run Linux from the >CD-Rom . MEPIS seems to be a winner . > > > Hi Lloyd, I have been playing around with distributions for my new laptop...ok used laptop which is an IBM ThinkPad 390e (PII/300) I was working for a little while with DSL but after reading your post quoted above and your endorsement of MEPIS I decided to check it out...it took me less than 24 hours to make a decision to blow away the DSL installation. I don't know if you use that distro or not but I wanted you to know that it's really great...Super simple install, Picks up EVERY piece of hardware I have...I'm sure it even recognized my diswasher at some point....anyway, I just wanted to say thanks for mentioning it. B -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 16:15:49 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:15:49 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A35E6B.9050609-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> <41A35E6B.9050609@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:59:39 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Mike Waychison wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > What I have a problem with, is he's asking for help in getting > prescription drugs. No one can legally do that, without a prescription. The way that I read it is that he's looking for someone to help him get that prescription. Not that he can't get one, but that the current channels are being too slow (too much red tape), and so is asking if there's anyone who could help speed up the process by perfectly legal means. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 16:49:30 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: URGENT: Looking for technical writer / PR specialist all-in-one. Message-ID: <41A36A1A.7030506@deeptown.org> Hallo ladies and gentlemen, This is very urgent. I am looking for technical writer / PR specialist all-in-one. I am doing a web-site for my business ( Gentoo Linux, etc... therefore it's only slightly off-topic ). Does anyone here specializes in technical writing, and with Public Relations experience. If someone knows such person, and if that person is ready to do this job, to write articles to my web-site, we will talk about rates and conditions. This is the very urgent matter: The site must be done in one week ( maximum 1,5 weeks ). All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 16:54:35 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:54:35 -0500 Subject: URGENT: Looking for technical writer / PR specialist all-in-one. In-Reply-To: <41A36A1A.7030506-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41A36A1A.7030506@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <41A36B4B.1000104@alteeve.com> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > Hallo ladies and gentlemen, > > This is very urgent. > > I am looking for technical writer / PR specialist all-in-one. I am doing > a web-site for my business > ( Gentoo Linux, etc... therefore it's only slightly off-topic ). > > Does anyone here specializes in technical writing, and with Public > Relations experience. > > If someone knows such person, and if that person is ready to do this > job, to write articles to my web-site, > we will talk about rates and conditions. > > This is the very urgent matter: The site must be done in one week ( > maximum 1,5 weeks ). > > > All the Best! > Sergey Kuznetsov. Hi, I am not sure if she is free at the moment, but I have a very talented friend in New Brunswick (assuming over the web is okay) who is a quite experienced in technical writting. If over-the-web is okay, I will call her and ask her if she is interested and have her call/email you if so. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 17:16:44 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:16:44 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Question... In-Reply-To: References: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A3707C.7060000@rogers.com> Paul Mora wrote: > If you do bring in something large, like a PC for demonstration, make > sure you tell the security folks, so they know that when you walk out > with it, it is yours. Particularly, if it's a shiny new ThinkPad. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 17:18:37 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:18:37 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> <41A35E6B.9050609@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> Taavi Burns wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:59:39 -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Mike Waychison wrote: >> >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>Hash: SHA1 >> >>What I have a problem with, is he's asking for help in getting >>prescription drugs. No one can legally do that, without a prescription. > > > The way that I read it is that he's looking for someone to help him get that > prescription. Not that he can't get one, but that the current channels are > being too slow (too much red tape), and so is asking if there's anyone > who could help speed up the process by perfectly legal means. > How can he legally get a prescription, from other from than a physician who's seen him? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 17:37:29 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:37:29 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A370ED.7040203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> <41A35E6B.9050609@rogers.com> <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:18:37 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Taavi Burns wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:59:39 -0500, James Knott wrote: > How can he legally get a prescription, from other from than a physician > who's seen him? That's what I said. :) Or at least that's what I meant, and what I took him to mean: he's looking for a physician who has more knowledge of this particular disease than the helpful physicians he's already got working for him, such that the most accurate and appropriate treatment can be acquired in a reasonable time. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 22:42:23 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Nov 2004 17:42:23 -0500 Subject: Believed to Be Legitimate In-Reply-To: <41A370ED.7040203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A34EC3.9000604@waychison.com> <41A35E6B.9050609@rogers.com> <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> Message-ID: James Knott writes: > Taavi Burns wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 10:59:39 -0500, James Knott wrote: > > > > >>Mike Waychison wrote: > >> > >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>What I have a problem with, is he's asking for help in getting > >>prescription drugs. No one can legally do that, without a prescription. > > The way that I read it is that he's looking for someone to help him get that > > > prescription. Not that he can't get one, but that the current channels are > > being too slow (too much red tape), and so is asking if there's anyone > > who could help speed up the process by perfectly legal means. > > > > > How can he legally get a prescription, from other from than a physician who's > seen him? Definitely off topic but it strikes me that there are a lot of Internet pharmacies based in Western Canada doing just that. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 23 23:48:29 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (J. Qiang Li) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:48:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: tlug site not available ? Message-ID: <20041123234829.82311.qmail@web54708.mail.yahoo.com> was going to check the meeting etc and only got directory listing for tlug site. cheers, Qiang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 00:52:42 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:52:42 -0800 Subject: Gentoo User-isms In-Reply-To: <20041112220649.GC21568@m450> References: <41894C1A.1040206@sympatico.ca> <9712993f04110915134c4f0a1c@mail.gmail.com> <4191AE40.8080405@linux.ca> <41921C6A.6040406@sympatico.ca> <20041110153600.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <55201.209.29.34.110.1100101379.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <20041110203831.41c669c4.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20041111114837.7887fe68.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20041112220649.GC21568@m450> Message-ID: <9712993f04112316524fd40392@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:06:49 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:48:37AM -0500, JoeHill wrote > > > You read my mind...that was my next question re Gentoo, whether there > > was some choice about building from source or installing pre-compiled > > binaries. Thanks! > > I'm getting my feet wet in Gentoo too. I found recently . I LOL . Skip the obnoxious intro and go directly to the sub-headings . One of my favorites is : "For me Gentoo is perfect. For you, perhaps not. What is really strage about Gentoo is this: people who like it or dislike it keep constantly refering to Gentoo-when in reality we are refering to Linux. With othert distro's when you have problems they are problems with Redhat or with SuSE or with Lindows. But if you have problems with Gentoo you have problems with Linux. That's because with Gentoo you have returned to the source." I less "aggressive" take titled "Mandrake -> Gentoo a.k.a. "Mandrake Expatriate Syndrome" is @ -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Bud -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 03:47:11 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:47:11 -0500 Subject: Problem accessing external USB HD from Gentoo In-Reply-To: <20041123142036.GG8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041122114703.GA4912@m450> <20041122160451.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041123045845.GB5407@m450> <20041123142036.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041124034711.GC6386@m450> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 09:20:36AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote > Well for usb-storage you need scsi disk support enabled, and the Done... but no SCSI drives appear. > /dev/uba is only for the new (currently broken it seems) usb-storage > system driver. I finally got it working in "coldplug" mode (i.e. drive connected and turned on at bootup) with the following incantation. I've turned it into a script to save me some typing. #!/bin/bash mount /dev/uba1 /mnt/usbdrive/ But no luck with hotplugging. PS, I went and rebuilt my kernel without any SCSI support at all, and the USB drive still works. BTW it's a combo USB/Firewire. I'm going to have to buy myself a PCI card with a firewire hub. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 04:25:44 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:25:44 -0500 Subject: General Q about USB and Firewire adaptors Message-ID: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> I have two not-so-new computers at home which, if I select the appropriate option in the BIOS, will optionally support USB 1.1 as well as the standard USB 1.0. Gentoo USB support goes as low as USB 1.1, so my trailing-edge machines can talk to my new USB2+firewire external drive... very slowly. A big backup becomes an overnight job. I'm seriously thinking of getting a PCI-based adaptor card with USB2 and firewire ports. Are there any boobytraps? The adaptor will first go into my 450 mhz, 128 megs ram, Dell, which refuses to die. I bought it in September of 1999. What are your real-life experiences like with PCI adaptor cards? I'll probably want both types of ports in one kit, just to cover my bases. Different eripherals will be showing up with only one type of connector. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 04:27:01 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:27:01 -0500 Subject: Trouble installing pgAdmin3 on Mandrake 10.1 In-Reply-To: <1101225259.23305.10.camel-UO0ojj0JzWvjwg9tCphvaczI0hKmmZiEmjCW/i4Lttk@public.gmane.org> References: <1101225259.23305.10.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> Message-ID: <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 23 November 2004 10:54, Devin Whalen wrote: > Does anyone here use pgAdmin3? Hi, I installed it before but never found any use for it. psql does whatever I need to do just fine. PgAdmin just got in the way. Anyway, on MDK 10.1, I did: wget ftp://ftp4.ca.postgresql.org/pub/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/mandrake91/pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm urpmi pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm It installed fine even though it is a 9.1 rpm. When I launched it, I saw the language selection dialog and clicked on OK. It bailed immediately with the following error: pgadmin3: symbol lookup error: pgadmin3: undefined symbol: _gtk_accel_group_attach Much has changed since MDK 9.1 so that might be a problem but the rpm should never have installed if all dependencies had not been met. I also noticed the button sizes were too small so I could not see all of the text on the buttons. -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 05:04:39 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:04:39 -0500 Subject: General Q about USB and Firewire adaptors In-Reply-To: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> References: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> Message-ID: <41A41667.7090103@alteeve.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > I have two not-so-new computers at home which, if I select the > appropriate option in the BIOS, will optionally support USB 1.1 as well > as the standard USB 1.0. Gentoo USB support goes as low as USB 1.1, so > my trailing-edge machines can talk to my new USB2+firewire external > drive... very slowly. A big backup becomes an overnight job. > > I'm seriously thinking of getting a PCI-based adaptor card with USB2 > and firewire ports. Are there any boobytraps? The adaptor will first > go into my 450 mhz, 128 megs ram, Dell, which refuses to die. I bought > it in September of 1999. > > What are your real-life experiences like with PCI adaptor cards? I'll > probably want both types of ports in one kit, just to cover my bases. > Different eripherals will be showing up with only one type of connector. > I bought a Belkin PCI card for an older test machine I've been using to write my backup program which uses USB/Firewire drives and it's worked fine under the Fedora Core distros. It isn't too pricy, either: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=200433&pcount=&Product_Id=122771 They have a five-port as well. Also, I use their PCMCIA version USB2.0 card in my Thinkpad under FC (1 through 3 now) for the same project and it also works fine. HTH Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 05:51:33 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:51:33 -0500 Subject: Trouble installing pgAdmin3 on Mandrake 10.1 In-Reply-To: <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1101225259.23305.10.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <1101275493.2172.54.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 23:27, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Anyway, on MDK 10.1, I > did: > > wget > ftp://ftp4.ca.postgresql.org/pub/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/mandrake91/pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm > urpmi pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm > > It installed fine even though it is a 9.1 rpm. When I launched it, I saw the > language selection dialog and clicked on OK. It bailed immediately with the > following error: > > pgadmin3: symbol lookup error: pgadmin3: undefined symbol: > _gtk_accel_group_attach > > Much has changed since MDK 9.1 so that might be a problem but the rpm should > never have installed if all dependencies had not been met. Well, it's not a mandrake rpm, so who knows what's in it. But the problem you describe is GTK's fault. If they keep the same .so version of GTK and don't keep it backward-compatible, you will get errors like that, and there's nothing we can do about it. We can set minimums for apps newer than distro (like this app requires gtk >= 2.5) but you're using an old rpm on a new distro. How could urpmi possibly know that it won't run? Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noahbrtn-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 14:09:30 2004 From: noahbrtn-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Micah) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:09:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Penguin Day Message-ID: <20041124140930.79212.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Did I miss something? How did Penguin Day go? Did it? Regards, Micah __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 15:24:19 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:24:19 -0500 Subject: Trouble installing pgAdmin3 on Mandrake 10.1 In-Reply-To: <1101275493.2172.54.camel@localhost> References: <1101225259.23305.10.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> <1101275493.2172.54.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20041124102419.45971c69.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:51:33 -0500 Austin disseminated the following: > Well, it's not a mandrake rpm, so who knows what's in it. Hi all, just testing if I can post replies, can't seem to post new topics. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:23:10 up 3 days, 1:32, 9 users, load average: 0.13, 0.09, 0.06 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." -- William Gibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 15:26:50 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:26:50 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 Message-ID: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> Been trying to post a new topic, doesn't show up... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:25:23 up 3 days, 1:34, 9 users, load average: 0.29, 0.15, 0.09 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth." -- The SNAFU Principle -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 15:26:41 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:26:41 -0500 Subject: General Q about USB and Firewire adaptors In-Reply-To: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> References: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:25:44 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I have two not-so-new computers at home which, if I select the > appropriate option in the BIOS, will optionally support USB 1.1 as well > as the standard USB 1.0. Gentoo USB support goes as low as USB 1.1, so > my trailing-edge machines can talk to my new USB2+firewire external > drive... very slowly. A big backup becomes an overnight job. FYI, USB 1.1 IS the standad. 1.0 is pretty dead, and has been for years. I'd be surprised if you could find a USB 1.0 device without dumpsterdiving. (NB: I may well be surprised, but any off-the-shelf USB device you get will be 1.1, not 1.0; unless it's 2.0). Don't mind me too much, though. I get into a snit when people talk about USB 1.1 having "low speed" and "high speed" modes (which it doesn't). USB 1.1 has "low speed" at 1.2Mbps and "full speed" at 12Mbps. USB 2.0 adds the "high speed" at 480Mbps. (this is what happens when one works on a USB device device [sic] driver) ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 15:50:46 2004 From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: Trouble installing pgAdmin3 on Mandrake 10.1 In-Reply-To: <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1101225259.23305.10.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> <200411232327.02638.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <1101311446.6556.9.camel@devinsbox.synapticivision.com> On Tue, 2004-11-23 at 23:27 -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > On Tuesday 23 November 2004 10:54, Devin Whalen wrote: > > Does anyone here use pgAdmin3? > > Hi, > > I installed it before but never found any use for it. psql does whatever I > need to do just fine. PgAdmin just got in the way. Anyway, on MDK 10.1, I > did: > > wget > ftp://ftp4.ca.postgresql.org/pub/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/mandrake91/pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm > urpmi pgadmin3-1.0.2-1.i586.rpm > > It installed fine even though it is a 9.1 rpm. When I launched it, I saw the > language selection dialog and clicked on OK. It bailed immediately with the > following error: > > pgadmin3: symbol lookup error: pgadmin3: undefined symbol: > _gtk_accel_group_attach > > Much has changed since MDK 9.1 so that might be a problem but the rpm should > never have installed if all dependencies had not been met. I also noticed the > button sizes were too small so I could not see all of the text on the > buttons. Hey, Yeah, I mostly use psql but I have a lot of functions on my databases and find pgAdmin3 far superior for viewing functions than psql. I just like to have options. I really needed it yesterday for some functions I was working on but I got on find without it. I just gave up trying to install it, way too much trouble. Software ceases to be a time saver when have have to spend hours trying to install it! Anyway, thanks for the help. Later -- Devin Whalen Programmer Synaptic Vision Inc Phone-(416) 539-0801 Fax- (416) 539-8280 1179A King St. West Toronto, Ontario Suite 309 M6K 3C5 Home-(416) 653-3982 Take back the Web with FireFox....a browser you can trust www.getfirefox.com .-. /v\ L I N U X // \\ /( )\ ^^-^^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 16:06:14 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:06:14 -0500 Subject: Help with Postfix Message-ID: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill@sympatico.ca> I've got my mail server mostly set up on the Debian box, but I'm having one problem, the server will not relay mail from my desktop box, refusing the connection. Obviously I am happy Debian configures Postfix to *not* be an open relay by default... I went through some Postfix howto's on the web and the very heavily commented config file on my Mandrake box, but I can't figure out which parameter to change so that this Debian server accepts smtp transactions. I tried adding the IP of my desktop to 'mydestination', but still no go. I'm thinkin' it's more likely the 'mynetworks' parameter that controls access, but I'm not sure what to put there so that hosts on the local LAN can use the server. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 10:58:01 up 3 days, 2:07, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.02 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth." -- The SNAFU Principle -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 16:22:38 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:22:38 -0500 Subject: Help with Postfix In-Reply-To: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041124112238.7415ffcf.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:06:14 -0500 JoeHill disseminated the following: > I'm thinkin' it's more likely the 'mynetworks' parameter that controls access, > but I'm not sure what to put there so that hosts on the local LAN can use the > server. Never mind, got it sorted, I think. I missed the mynetworks_style setting, I set it to 'subnet' and it's working. >From what I've read, this should limit SMTP transactions to *only* machines on my LAN, no? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 11:20:20 up 3 days, 2:29, 9 users, load average: 0.15, 0.28, 0.27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "President Bush is asking Congress for $80 billion dollars to rebuild Iraq. And when you make out that check, remember there are two L's in Halliburton." -- David Letterman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 16:29:14 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:29:14 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41A4B6DA.1060407@rogers.com> JoeHill wrote: > Been trying to post a new topic, doesn't show up... > I didn't see this one either. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 16:29:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:29:02 -0500 Subject: General Q about USB and Firewire adaptors In-Reply-To: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> References: <20041124042544.GD6386@m450> Message-ID: <20041124162902.GJ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 11:25:44PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I have two not-so-new computers at home which, if I select the > appropriate option in the BIOS, will optionally support USB 1.1 as well > as the standard USB 1.0. Gentoo USB support goes as low as USB 1.1, so > my trailing-edge machines can talk to my new USB2+firewire external > drive... very slowly. A big backup becomes an overnight job. > > I'm seriously thinking of getting a PCI-based adaptor card with USB2 > and firewire ports. Are there any boobytraps? The adaptor will first > go into my 450 mhz, 128 megs ram, Dell, which refuses to die. I bought > it in September of 1999. > > What are your real-life experiences like with PCI adaptor cards? I'll > probably want both types of ports in one kit, just to cover my bases. > Different eripherals will be showing up with only one type of connector. Well both usb2.0 (ehci) and 1394 (ohci firewire) are quite standardized, and only a couple of makers make the controller chips. They really should just plug in and work in general. You can even get cards for I think under $50 that have a few of each type of port on it. I haven't actually tried such a card myself, since the machines I use firewire and usb2 on have on onboard (where again it just works). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 17:18:23 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:18:23 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: >Been trying to post a new topic, doesn't show up... > > > nothing here .. guess it's not working .. try it in french; un, deux, trois .. comme ca ! bonne chance ! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 17:35:10 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:35:10 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> <41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca> <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <41A4C64E.4080401@sympatico.ca> Francois Ouellette wrote: > >BTW the http://tlug.ss.org URL still gives us a directory list... > > Stylish, yet understated ! Not likely to overwhelm the user with choices. Smacks of no-nonsense professional-grade webatization. neato! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 17:27:57 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <41A4C25F.90909-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> <41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > nothing here .. guess it's not working .. try it in french; > un, deux, trois .. comme ca ! > bonne chance ! Uno, dos, tres... BTW the http://tlug.ss.org URL still gives us a directory list... Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 17:53:11 2004 From: lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:53:11 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <41A4C64E.4080401-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> <41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca> <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41A4C64E.4080401@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41A4CA87.9070807@linux.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > Stylish, yet understated ! Not likely to overwhelm the user with choices. > Smacks of no-nonsense professional-grade webatization. Glad you like it! Empty directories really are the way to go this year. If you hang tight though, we'll get it back to its previous self asap. I personally preferred the wordiness of the previous look. Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 18:00:01 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:00:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <20041124125104.1cce5f03.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca><41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca><17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <20041124125104.1cce5f03.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <24974.209.29.34.110.1101319201.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > For some reason I think the list did not like me posting like so: > > To: TLUG , as soon as I just sent to tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, it went > through. > > -- > JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org I guess thr correct syntax for the former format is to put double quotes around the name such as "TLUG" Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Nov 24 17:51:04 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:51:04 -0500 Subject: Testing 1,2,3 In-Reply-To: <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124102650.42bf6f51.joehill@sympatico.ca> <41A4C25F.90909@sympatico.ca> <17721.209.29.34.110.1101317277.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20041124125104.1cce5f03.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) Francois Ouellette disseminated the following: > > nothing here .. guess it's not working .. try it in french; > > un, deux, trois .. comme ca ! > > bonne chance ! > > Uno, dos, tres... > > BTW the http://tlug.ss.org URL still gives us a directory list... I saw that, but when I try to go to 'archives', I get a login prompt (?) Anyhow, seems to be okay now, I'm seeing my post and all the replies. For some reason I think the list did not like me posting like so: To: TLUG , as soon as I just sent to tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, it went through. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 12:48:17 up 3 days, 3:57, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." -- William Gibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 01:11:24 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:11:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Penguin Day In-Reply-To: <20041124140930.79212.qmail-K9edFca1vDyA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124140930.79212.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Micah wrote: > Did I miss something? How did Penguin Day go? Did it? It went well. My business partner and I both attended. I did a SpeedGeek[1] on Linux based thinclients which went off well. 'twas fun. [1] 5 minute demo. The demo is repeated 11 times for different small groups as they rotate from one SpeedGeek to the next. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 05:11:38 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:11:38 -0500 Subject: Free Stuff Question... In-Reply-To: <41A3707C.7060000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <015e01c4d03b$4da7b1a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A3707C.7060000@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:16:44 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Paul Mora wrote: > > > If you do bring in something large, like a PC for demonstration, make > > sure you tell the security folks, so they know that when you walk out > > with it, it is yours. > > Particularly, if it's a shiny new ThinkPad. ;-) Yes, well, you know, you can pick them right off the Thinkpad tree, in the atrium of the IBM building. Nice ripe Centrino machines. (grin) pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 06:06:04 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:06:04 -0500 Subject: Need testers for MySQL/PostgreSQL interface Message-ID: <20041125060604.GA2184@node1.opengeometry.net> To: TLUGers with MySQL/PostgreSQL, If you have reasonably complex MySQL and/or PostgreSQL database and do reasonably complex search, then I would appreciate if you could try out my shell wrapper around the database API. I need to test them out on wide variety of situations, but most of my own databases are simple stuff. The wrappers are described in http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html#postgresql http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/index.html#mysql which is part of my patch to Bash shell, http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/ Short tutorial can be found at the bottom of http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/park-january.html which is my article for LinuxGazette.net (Jan issue). Essentially, 'Msql' and 'Psql' builtin commands send SQL statement to the server, and save the output (if any) to shell array variable or print to stdout. You need to patch and compile Bash shell, $ patch -p1 < ../bashdiff-core-1.11.diff $ patch -p1 < ../bashdiff-william-1.11.diff $ autoconf $ ./configure $ make bash $ make bash+william After compile, $ ./bash+william # newly compiled shell $ help Psql $ Psql [-...] "select ..." $ Psql -a var [-...] "select ..." $ ... $ exit # back to your old shell If there is any segfault, let me know. :-) -- William Park Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 15:23:02 2004 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:23:02 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about this notebook? http://www.sub500.com/port.htm It uses the VIA Antaur CPU which is supposed to have incredibly low power consumption (when compared to Intel and AMD), but what about the speed? Is this thing fast enough? Any opinions would be appreciated about this CPU and also about this store. Thanks! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 16:01:02 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:01:02 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:23:02 -0500, Steve wrote: > Does anyone know anything about this notebook? http://www.sub500.com/port.htm > > It uses the VIA Antaur CPU which is supposed to have incredibly low > power consumption (when compared to Intel and AMD), but what about the > speed? Is this thing fast enough? VIA seems to claim that its fast enough for watching DVDs: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c3-m/ I know that my Duron 1GHz is, too. Though I'd expect my Duron to perform a little better than a C3 (particularly at floating point), it's probably just fine for the kind of work one would expect to be able to do on such a machine. (I make comments about the floating point only insofar as my old Cyrix MII-300 was slower at MP3 decoding (back in the day) than a P200MMX, but WAY faster at cracking RC5) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 15:56:33 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:56:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Steve wrote: > It uses the VIA Antaur CPU which is supposed to have incredibly low > power consumption (when compared to Intel and AMD), but what about the > speed? Is this thing fast enough? Fast enough for what? Depends enormously on what you want to do with it. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 16:10:43 2004 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:10:43 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:56:33 -0500 (EST), Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Steve wrote: > > It uses the VIA Antaur CPU which is supposed to have incredibly low > > power consumption (when compared to Intel and AMD), but what about the > > speed? Is this thing fast enough? > > Fast enough for what? Depends enormously on what you want to do with it. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Good point... no 3D gaming. Pretty light applications, just would require them to multitask, load and switch quickly: Internet Browsing Office apps (spreadsheet, docs) MP3/Ogg listening Occasional DVD watching Most multitasking would be with these apps. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 16:11:46 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:11:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45049.209.29.34.110.1101399106.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> > Does anyone know anything about this notebook? > http://www.sub500.com/port.htm > > It uses the VIA Antaur CPU which is supposed to have incredibly low > power consumption (when compared to Intel and AMD), but what about the > speed? Is this thing fast enough? > > Any opinions would be appreciated about this CPU and also about this > store. > > Thanks! Funny that they still call it "Antaur", this has been known as the C3-M processor for a while! The Antaur was originally released in July 2003. Old new stock? Still a good chip nevertheless. Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 16:13:15 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:13:15 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > VIA seems to claim that its fast enough for watching DVDs: > http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c3-m/ > > I know that my Duron 1GHz is, too. Though I'd expect my Duron to > perform a little > better than a C3 (particularly at floating point), it's probably just > fine for the kind of > work one would expect to be able to do on such a machine. I'm not sure what kind of video card is embedded on that notebook. It seems to me that with quality video hardware, the CPU doesn't matter quite as much. I could watch action movie DVDs on my PentiumII-400Mhz with a GeForce4Ti. Assuming decent hardware, even with reduced capability CPUs, I'd imagine anything approaching 1GHz should be capable of watching DVDs. One thing you should check into though is the battery capacity of the device. Even if the whole notebook is power efficient, you might not get the battery life you expect if the capacity of the batteries is low. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 17:01:16 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:01:16 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A60FDC.8000608@sympatico.ca> Steve wrote: > > They should make notebooks run off wind power... Well, Steve Mann does: And what with the energy minister's announcement last night, there's going to be a lot more laptops and other appliances powered by wind in the province. Stewart (part of one of the teams that won a contract for a 99MW wind farm) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 16:18:50 2004 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:18:50 -0500 Subject: Linux Notebook VIA Antaur CPU In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:13:15 -0500, Jing Su wrote: > > One thing you should check into though is the battery capacity of the > device. Even if the whole notebook is power efficient, you might not get > the battery life you expect if the capacity of the batteries is low. Yes that is true... good point. Like a huge SUV with a 120 litre tank can go as far on a tank as a little car with a 50 litre tank... :-) I'll take the car... They should make notebooks run off wind power... most business meetings have a surplus of hot air that could be used for a better purpose. :-> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 17:13:27 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:13:27 +0200 (IST) Subject: Help with Postfix In-Reply-To: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, JoeHill wrote: > > I've got my mail server mostly set up on the Debian box, but I'm having one > problem, the server will not relay mail from my desktop box, refusing the > connection. Obviously I am happy Debian configures Postfix to *not* be an open > relay by default... > > I went through some Postfix howto's on the web and the very heavily commented > config file on my Mandrake box, but I can't figure out which parameter to change > so that this Debian server accepts smtp transactions. > > I tried adding the IP of my desktop to 'mydestination', but still no go. That MUST be the server's address or you'll loop. All the server's addresses if it has more than 1. > I'm thinkin' it's more likely the 'mynetworks' parameter that controls access, > but I'm not sure what to put there so that hosts on the local LAN can use the > server. Put the local network and netmask Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 20:34:08 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:34:08 -0500 Subject: Help with Postfix In-Reply-To: References: <20041124110614.5b381ffb.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041125153408.592eb465.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:13:27 +0200 (IST) Peter L. Peres disseminated the following: > > I tried adding the IP of my desktop to 'mydestination', but still no go. > > That MUST be the server's address or you'll loop. All the server's > addresses if it has more than 1. I don't know what I was thinkin' with that one...newbies, eh? ;-) > > I'm thinkin' it's more likely the 'mynetworks' parameter that controls > > access, > > but I'm not sure what to put there so that hosts on the local LAN can use > > the > > server. > > Put the local network and netmask Um, I've kind of forgotten what the netmask is for a 192.168.0.x network is, so I went with something easier: mynetworks_style = subnet -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 15:28:01 up 4 days, 6:37, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth..." -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 21:10:37 2004 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:10:37 -0500 Subject: has anyone tried this CD? Message-ID: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D@outbox.allstream.net> http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/images/Welcome1.png My understanding is that it is an Ubuntu liveCD with these three programs (Open Office, Firefox and Thunderbird) on it. You can boot from the CD try out the programs ... under Linux ... the liveCD part. If you like what you see you can install them to your Gatesware box that you booted the liveCD from. I'd be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with this liveCD. bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 21:19:43 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:19:43 -0500 Subject: has anyone tried this CD? In-Reply-To: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <41A64C6F.2070003@sympatico.ca> fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: >http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/images/Welcome1.png > >My understanding is that it is an Ubuntu liveCD with these three programs >(Open Office, Firefox and Thunderbird) on it. > the regular ubuntu-live has more that 3 Windoze OSS apps 4 U ! But not as many as theOpenCD proper. > > >I'd be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with this liveCD. > > Ubuntu has cleverly co-opted theOpenCDs installer method into the automount portion of the disc. Nothing but good reviews of theOpenCDs installer technology, and the applications are are all-star . djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Nov 25 21:26:23 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:26:23 -0800 Subject: has anyone tried this CD? In-Reply-To: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <9712993f04112513262f718739@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:10:37 -0500, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/images/Welcome1.png > > My understanding is that it is an Ubuntu liveCD with these three programs > (Open Office, Firefox and Thunderbird) on it. > > You can boot from the CD try out the programs ... under Linux ... the liveCD > part. > > If you like what you see you can install them to your Gatesware box that you > booted the liveCD from. Interesting , though if I was interested in running and/or installing them on MSWin I would download the TheOpenCD , particularly considering that the Ubuntu LiveCD does not include a method to install Ubuntu -- contrary to MEPIS LiveCD for example . -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Budd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 05:19:24 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:19:24 -0500 Subject: has anyone tried this CD? In-Reply-To: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041125211120.30B421EC30D@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <20041126051923.GA2928@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I actually ordered 5 CDs during the free CD promotion (which has been extended and is thus still running, I believe). I just received the CDs in the mail today. I tried the LiveCD and I was impressed. I do not plan on switching though --- Arch Linux has been working out very well for me and while the distro had a polished feel to it, it didn't ``wow'' me all that much. However, it's a very neat way to try out Linux, and it's pretty friendly. I would probably send away an Ubuntu live CD to a friend before I would a Knoppix CD. On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 04:10:37PM -0500, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > My understanding is that it is an Ubuntu liveCD with these three programs > (Open Office, Firefox and Thunderbird) on it. > > You can boot from the CD try out the programs ... under Linux ... the liveCD > part. > > If you like what you see you can install them to your Gatesware box that you > booted the liveCD from. > > I'd be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with this liveCD. > > bob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 08:50:12 2004 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:50:12 +0800 Subject: EZMLM Help Message-ID: <200411261650.12473.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi, Ive been reading ezmlm manual but I cant find a way on how to delete a mailing list? ezmlm-unmake? :) or is it as easy as removing .qmail-LISTNAME* and the directory as well... TIA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 13:18:05 2004 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:18:05 -0500 Subject: EZMLM Help In-Reply-To: <200411261650.12473.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200411261650.12473.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <41A72D0D.6070408@mineallmeyn.com> JM wrote: > Hi, > > Ive been reading ezmlm manual but I cant find a way on how to delete a > mailing list? > > ezmlm-unmake? :) or is it as easy as removing .qmail-LISTNAME* and the > directory as well... > Yep, just clobber everything with in it (.qmail, the directory). Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 15:02:03 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:02:03 -0500 Subject: Is there a record of the most recent TLUG meeting? Message-ID: Hi folks, I wanted to attend this month's TLUG meeting where there was going to be some discussion about going vinyl -> CDs, but an emergency cropped up. Is there a recording or slides available for this presentation? There's nothing on the TLUG web site. Thanks. Alex Beamish -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 15:07:40 2004 From: lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: Is there a record of the most recent TLUG meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A746BC.60006@linux.ca> Alex Beamish wrote: > I wanted to attend this month's TLUG meeting where there was going to > be some discussion about going vinyl -> CDs, but an emergency cropped > up. Is there a recording or slides available for this presentation? > There's nothing on the TLUG web site. That was for the NewTLUG meeting. I too was very interested in seeing this presentation! It'd be great if there was something we could link to from the site for those of us who were unable to make it. Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 17:53:20 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:53:20 -0500 Subject: Is there a record of the most recent TLUG meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A76D90.2090806@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Hi folks, > > I wanted to attend this month's TLUG meeting where there was going to > be some discussion about going vinyl -> CDs, but an emergency cropped > up. Is there a recording or slides available for this presentation? > There's nothing on the TLUG web site. There wasn't any discussion about vinyl -> CDs. In fact this is the first I've heard of that topic, for a TLUG meeting. The original topic was to be about finding jobs in Linux, but instead, there was one on automounting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 19:43:02 2004 From: bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:43:02 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file Message-ID: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? Thanks in advance, -- Brian K. Garel h. BLFamily-hkt3R1SlsOrYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org w. BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 19:44:38 2004 From: bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:44:38 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <41A78746.3090402-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <41A787A6.8030905@clublink.ca> Brian K. Garel wrote: > Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using > fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? > > Thanks in advance, > Sorry...I'm using Thunderbird -- Brian K. Garel h. BLFamily-hkt3R1SlsOrYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org w. BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 19:44:54 2004 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:44:54 -0700 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <41A78746.3090402-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05@mail.gmail.com> n Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:43:02 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using > fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? just add the line /usr/bin/fortune > ~username/.signature in the .bashrc file -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 19:52:39 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:52:39 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0411261152700ccbe8@mail.gmail.com> > > Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using > > fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? > > just add the line > > /usr/bin/fortune > ~username/.signature > > in the .bashrc file > That would update the signature file once per login as opposed to once per email, wouldn't it? A slightly more fine-tuned rate might be had by setting an entry in your crontab to update the signature file say twice an hour (using the above command ;) Still wouldn't be every message, but a little closer than once per session. $0.02 - Scott -- Scott Elcomb psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org http://psema4.gotdns.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 19:59:36 2004 From: bgarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:59:36 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0411261152700ccbe8-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0411261152700ccbe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41A78B28.8090007@clublink.ca> psema4 wrote: >>>Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using >>>fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? >>> >>> >>just add the line >> >>/usr/bin/fortune > ~username/.signature >> >>in the .bashrc file >> >> >> > >That would update the signature file once per login as opposed to once >per email, wouldn't it? > >A slightly more fine-tuned rate might be had by setting an entry in >your crontab to update the signature file say twice an hour (using the >above command ;) Still wouldn't be every message, but a little closer >than once per session. > >$0.02 > >- Scott > >-- >Scott Elcomb >psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org >http://psema4.gotdns.com >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > I kind of did that one already only I have it updating once/hour (I was lazy) ;) -- Brian K. Garel h. BLFamily-hkt3R1SlsOrYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org w. BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God. -- Deuteronomy 12:28 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:15:50 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:15:50 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook Message-ID: <631537210.20041126151550@rogers.com> Hey folks, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a recently (last 6 months) upgraded Linux-based Live CD to try on an inherited iBook? I can't seem to find anything that's either recent or recommendable. Thanks in advance, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:28:53 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:28:53 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <41A78B28.8090007-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0411261152700ccbe8@mail.gmail.com> <41A78B28.8090007@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <20041126152853.42485f9f.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:59:36 -0500 Brian K. Garel disseminated the following: > I kind of did that one already only I have it updating once/hour (I was > lazy) ;) Doesn't Thunderbird have the ability to run a command every time you compose a new mail? BTW, you can even generate your own fortune file (ie. your own quotes): http://clevername.homeip.net/howto/ -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 15:26:06 up 5 days, 6:35, 10 users, load average: 0.20, 0.09, 0.24 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:36:39 2004 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:36:39 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: <631537210.20041126151550-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <631537210.20041126151550@rogers.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:49:35 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:49:35 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <41A78B28.8090007-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> <7aa37fa804112611442fe0fa05@mail.gmail.com> <99a6c38f0411261152700ccbe8@mail.gmail.com> <41A78B28.8090007@clublink.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:59:36 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > psema4 wrote: > > > > >>>Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using > >>>fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? IIRC KMail and mutt both accept programname| (or something like that) as a .sig file name, which would take the output of programname and use it as your .sig. Unfortunately, this doesn't work for gmail... ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:46:42 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:46:42 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook Message-ID: Which o/s does your iBook run? I know OS X 10.x is *nix/*bsd operating system. If that's the case, I don't any reason you couldn't continue using OS X. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Tonekham [mailto:simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: November 26, 2004 3:37 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Live CD for iBook I highly reconmend Knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ). Knoppix is a very good Live CD for Linux and it can even try-before-you-install linux distro. I'm not sure whether it works on Macs (i.e. iMacs, eMacs, PowerPCs, Powerbooks, iBooks, etc.), but it's worth a try. Simon (future Linux user) Ajax, Ontario, Canada >From: Matt Cahill >Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >Subject: [TLUG]: Live CD for iBook >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:15:50 -0500 > > > Hey folks, > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a recently (last 6 > months) upgraded Linux-based Live CD to try on an inherited iBook? > I can't seem to find anything that's either recent or > recommendable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Matt > >-- > >Matt Cahill > m dash cahill at rogers dot com > > >This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. > - Dorothy Parker > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41a7941182035884695248! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 20:55:06 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:55:06 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:46:42 -0500, Phillip Qin wrote: > Which o/s does your iBook run? I know OS X 10.x is *nix/*bsd operating > system. If that's the case, I don't any reason you couldn't continue using > OS X. Just be sure to upgrade it to Panther (10.3). It's a lot faster than Jaguar (10.2), and anything older than Jaguar is just asking for trouble (it's SO old). I'm fairly sure that Knoppix is x86-only. Even ubuntu only has x86 liveCDs (though it has PPC install discs). -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 21:21:50 2004 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:21:50 -0500 Subject: sig file Message-ID: <200411261621.50213.BGarel@clublink.ca> Awesome... KMail works like a charm...now does it wrap at 72 characters and default to send in text only mode etc...etc...etc... ;) Just kidding Brian -- And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. -- Acts 3:4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 22:04:57 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:04:57 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <718659607.20041126170457@rogers.com> Friday, November 26, 2004, 3:46:42 PM, you wrote: PQ> Which o/s does your iBook run? I know OS X 10.x is *nix/*bsd PQ> operating system. If that's the case, I don't any reason you PQ> couldn't continue using OS X. PQ> ? Phillip, Well, it currently has an early version of OSX, but it originally had OS9 on it (and I suspect the CD only supplies OS9). The reason I'm looking for a good 'nix Live CD is because I'm sure the iBook needs a good cleaning (as in, formatting) and I don't have a copy of OSX on hand. I'm not sold on loading Linux on it, and this is why I thought about trying a Live CD. (guess I should have explained this in the parent post) Thanks, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com "It is important to have this idea in one's mind, because otherwise one fails to grasp the whole spirit of modern Science-Philosophy. It does not aim at Truth; [...] it aims at maximum convenience." - A. Crowley -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 22:13:23 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:23 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook Message-ID: There are options for single-CD Linux, such as the one you mentioned, plus knoppix (derived from debian), SuSE 9.2, I think Fedora Core has one too. Check www.linuxiso.org or distrowatch.com -----Original Message----- From: Matt Cahill [mailto:m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: November 26, 2004 5:05 PM To: Phillip Qin Subject: Re[2]: [TLUG]: Live CD for iBook Friday, November 26, 2004, 3:46:42 PM, you wrote: PQ> Which o/s does your iBook run? I know OS X 10.x is *nix/*bsd PQ> operating system. If that's the case, I don't any reason you PQ> couldn't continue using OS X. PQ> ? Phillip, Well, it currently has an early version of OSX, but it originally had OS9 on it (and I suspect the CD only supplies OS9). The reason I'm looking for a good 'nix Live CD is because I'm sure the iBook needs a good cleaning (as in, formatting) and I don't have a copy of OSX on hand. I'm not sold on loading Linux on it, and this is why I thought about trying a Live CD. (guess I should have explained this in the parent post) Thanks, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com "It is important to have this idea in one's mind, because otherwise one fails to grasp the whole spirit of modern Science-Philosophy. It does not aim at Truth; [...] it aims at maximum convenience." - A. Crowley -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41a7a8ad93085997819073! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 22:51:40 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:51:40 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: <718659607.20041126170457-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <718659607.20041126170457@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41A7B37C.9090201@rogers.com> Matt Cahill wrote: > Friday, November 26, 2004, 3:46:42 PM, you wrote: > > > PQ> Which o/s does your iBook run? I know OS X 10.x is *nix/*bsd > PQ> operating system. If that's the case, I don't any reason you > PQ> couldn't continue using OS X. > PQ> > > Phillip, > > Well, it currently has an early version of OSX, but it originally > had OS9 on it (and I suspect the CD only supplies OS9). The reason > I'm looking for a good 'nix Live CD is because I'm sure the iBook > needs a good cleaning (as in, formatting) and I don't have a copy of > OSX on hand. > > I'm not sold on loading Linux on it, and this is why I thought about > trying a Live CD. Doesn't it use a PowerPC series CPU? Most (all?) of the Live Linux CDs support only x86. However, there is Yellow Dog Linux, which should work on your computer. http://www.yellowdoglinux.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Nov 26 22:53:18 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:53:18 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41A7B3DE.3010505@rogers.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > There are options for single-CD Linux, such as the one you mentioned, > plus knoppix (derived from debian), SuSE 9.2, I think Fedora Core has > one too. Check www.linuxiso.org or distrowatch.com Don't all those require an x86 CPU? The iBook uses a PowerPC CPU. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Nov 27 02:38:11 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:38:11 -0500 Subject: Random Sig file In-Reply-To: <41A78746.3090402-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <41A78746.3090402@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <20041127023811.7921B4778@cbbrowne.com> > Does anyone know how to randomly generate a sig file using > fortune...ie...each email would be a different signature? I have a script written in Common Lisp that I use for this purpose; it runs every couple of minutes, and does three things: a) It picks an email address, and picks one of a dozen languages in which to express it. For instance, the bit of code below is Common Lisp code that outputs one of my email addresses. b) It picks one of my web sites and presents a randomly selected URL. c) It walks through a Fortune-style file and picks one of the fortunes... -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "gmail.com") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/ If only women came with pull-down menus and online help. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Nov 27 21:13:51 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:13:51 -0500 Subject: IBM contact Message-ID: <41A8EE0F.6020507@sympatico.ca> Hey LUGnuts ! It was recently suggested to me that linuxcaffe should be sponsored by IBM. It makes sense, when you think about it; linuxcaffe will promote the penguin and we plan to use only IBM thinkpads, as internet caffe terminals, why not fly the IBM flag too ? I could look in the yellow pages (under gigantic computer companies) but we both know that there is a Big Blue presence on the list. What office, what department, which executive-in-charge-of penguin-proliferation should I contact ? Who can direct me to the soft underbelly of the beast ? you guys (and gals) rock ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Nov 28 04:05:43 2004 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:05:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPAM-LOW: IBM contact In-Reply-To: <41A8EE0F.6020507-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41A8EE0F.6020507@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Hey, We (Upstart) just dug up that info for another project. We hope to be discussing things with the folks at IBM in the next couple of weeks. I must apologize as I'm signed up for a few too many techi-lists and kinda missed the the full story about linuxcaffe. Is there a biz-plan or description or something that I could refer to or perhaps pass to them? Regards, ========================================================= | David Mayerlen | Upstart Associates | http://www.upstartx.com | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org | 416-424-6739 ========================================================= On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > Hey LUGnuts ! > It was recently suggested to me that linuxcaffe should be sponsored > by IBM. It makes sense, when you think about it; linuxcaffe will promote > the penguin and we plan to use only IBM thinkpads, as internet caffe > terminals, why not fly the IBM flag too ? > I could look in the yellow pages (under gigantic computer companies) > but we both know that there is a Big Blue presence on the list. What > office, what department, which executive-in-charge-of > penguin-proliferation should I contact ? Who can direct me to the soft > underbelly of the beast ? > you guys (and gals) rock ! > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Nov 28 07:20:33 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 02:20:33 -0500 Subject: SPAM-LOW: IBM contact In-Reply-To: References: <41A8EE0F.6020507@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41A97C41.4010202@sympatico.ca> David Mayerlen wrote: >Hey, > > We (Upstart) just dug up that info for another project. > how was the digging ? and was it an open source project ? > We hope to be >discussing things with the folks at IBM in the next couple of weeks. I >must apologize as I'm signed up for a few too many techi-lists and kinda >missed the the full story about linuxcaffe. > ah, the continuing saga of.. > Is there a biz-plan or > > yes >description or something that I could refer to > well, for the moment, visit linuxcaffe.com, but let me warn you, the site will be undergoing some serious style and CMS transformations in the very near future. Both the physical space and the back-end are coming together nicely ! > or perhaps pass to them? > Thanks, but I'd kinda like to do that myself ;) good luck with your meeting ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 03:48:15 2004 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:48:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPAM-LOW: IBM contact In-Reply-To: <41A97C41.4010202-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41A8EE0F.6020507@sympatico.ca> <41A97C41.4010202@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: > > > > We (Upstart) just dug up that info for another project. > > > how was the digging ? > and was it an open source project ? Its not a software project as much as a media/entertainment project that will have a mandate to utilize innovative Canadian art/tech/biz but the core of it all will be journalism. > > > We hope to be > >discussing things with the folks at IBM in the next couple of weeks. I > >must apologize as I'm signed up for a few too many techi-lists and kinda > >missed the the full story about linuxcaffe. > > > ah, the continuing saga of.. > > > Is there a biz-plan or > > > > > yes > > >description or something that I could refer to > > > well, for the moment, visit linuxcaffe.com, but let me warn you, the > site will be undergoing some serious style and CMS transformations in > the very near future. Both the physical space and the back-end are > coming together nicely ! > > > or perhaps pass to them? > > In order to get them to take a look at linuxcaffe.com there needs to be a biz-plan of sorts. The website itself is nice but these folks need the old-fashioned biz-plan to mull over. > Thanks, but I'd kinda like to do that myself ;) > good luck with your meeting ! If you don't have a biz plan or whatever I'll just have to make a point of dropping by to have a chat or something and learn more. I can't tell from the website if this is a one-off or if there are plans to roll one out in every city or if its a non-profit thing or ??? I'm going to need to give them something to tease them into wanting to give you a call and take it further. Here's an unrelated question. From a software point of view will the focus of linxcaffe be on open source software only? While Upstart are totally into the open source thing we do have a very cool commercial product that we have developed over the last few years here in Toronto ... but I'm sensing a bit of open source or die mentality from what I see on the website so I dare not mention it. > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Nov 28 15:32:58 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:32:58 -0500 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review Message-ID: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I was out at the CompuSale Computer Show and in summary I was not all that impressed. I took the TTC out to the show, and logistically that was fine, there is a TTC stop right by the International Centre, however under the deal the TTC has with the City of Mississauga anyone who goes beyond the airport on a TTC bus must pay a second transit fare, so getting out and back to the show set me back $4.50 (on top of my already bought Metro Pass). Then there was admission, which even with the discount coupon I had with me was $6, in other words I out $10.50 just to get in the door (grumble). Part of the show was devoted to direct marketing people, with some cosmetics firms, and cooking equipment firms (the former I have ZERO interest in, the latter my interest is ... somewhat limited). The direct marketing people did noticeably dilute the focus of the show. Still I did pick-up something that will be a gift for a cousin (some clearance Windows software (yes, I will plan to toss in a Knoppix disk with the Windows software)). I also found an excellent deal on DVD drives, and I got one. I ran into Robert Brockway T.L.U.G.'s speaker co-ordinator and chatted for several minutes. Robert was I gather doing an intro. to Linux talk that I missed. I also entered several draws, so who knows something may come of one of those (I could win anything from $150 worth of kitchen gadgets to a new computer). Did see that the Red Flag Deals website had a small booth. For those who have not seen it Red Flag Deals (http://www.redflagdeals.com/) tracks firms in Canada and tells who is offering discount deals on what. Given the website's technical readership a significant percentage of the deals listed are for computer equipment, so yes I try to visit the site every 2-3 days :-) . Any event the Red Flag Deals booth was offering coupons for other booths. I still have some fond memories of my Commodore 64, so it was fun to see T.P.U.G. (Toronto Pet User Group) had a small booth at the show, that group is now in it's 25th year, and they are looking forward to "The World of Commodore" show next week (yes I am serious). Also (even more strange) the Commodore 64 has returned to production (sort of) as the URL below notes. The woman responsible for that return from the dead of the Commodore 64 is one Jeri Ellsworth and she will be a guest speaker at "World of Commodore". Here is a description of the new Commodore 64: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tulip.com%2Fnews%2Farticle.asp%3Fnid%3D145&lp=nl_en Here is a look at the Jeri Ellsworth iron (well, soldering iron) in hand: http://www.geocities.com/dickestel/images/expo21.jpg Still, bottom line the people who did "CompuSale Computer Show" plan to do another similar show in March and I have no plans to attend... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 19:55:52 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 29 Nov 2004 14:55:52 -0500 Subject: Linux Admin and Perl Development Position Open at LPI Message-ID: Hi everyone, LPI currently has a job opening for a LPIC-1 level sysadmin with Perl development experience. The full job decscription may be found at: https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Operations/SysAdminJobDescription This position will be a 6 to 12 month contract and may be renewed for an additional term. Although all qualified applicants will be thoughtfully considered LPI specifically invites applicants from the South America and EMEA areas to apply for this position. We are a global organization and as such we need to balance our staff representation with employees from less-developed nations. We believe this extra consideration is in keeping with a community-minded certification. Please submit your resume in an open format to resumes-6+cD4/kH8Z0 at public.gmane.org Only shortlisted applicants will be contacted. Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 20:56:46 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:56:46 -0500 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41AB8D0E.4010204@rogers.com> Colin McGregor wrote: > I was out at the CompuSale Computer Show and in summary I was not all that > impressed. > > I took the TTC out to the show, and logistically that was fine, there is a > TTC stop right by the International Centre, however under the deal the TTC > has with the City of Mississauga anyone who goes beyond the airport on a TTC > bus must pay a second transit fare, so getting out and back to the show set > me back $4.50 (on top of my already bought Metro Pass). Then there was > admission, which even with the discount coupon I had with me was $6, in > other words I out $10.50 just to get in the door (grumble). One way to get around that, is to go on Friday, with a coupon that, along with a business card, gets you in for free. However, the show's nowhere near what it used to be years ago. When I first started going, ComputerFest was held down on Queen's Quay and there was a lot of CP/M and S-100 bus stuff. The Radio Shack Color Computer was a new product! I bought my first copy of OS/2 at a ComputerFest. In it's earlier years, it was quite interesting and you could learn a lot. Now, it just seems to be a search for the lowest price. At least they still have the chocolate and peanut covered ice cream. ;-) However, with all those non-computer items being sold, I'm beginning to feel the show's overpriced, even with free admission. :-( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 22:01:27 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:01:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: <41AB8D0E.4010204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41AB8D0E.4010204@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, James Knott wrote: > One way to get around that, is to go on Friday, with a coupon that, > along with a business card, gets you in for free. However, the show's > nowhere near what it used to be years ago. When I first started going, After finishing my Linux intro talks (I did one each day) a couple of people made the same comment to me. > ComputerFest was held down on Queen's Quay and there was a lot of CP/M > and S-100 bus stuff. The Radio Shack Color Computer was a new product! Ah memories. I used to run OS-9 on the CoCo. It is a somewhat Unix like real-time OS. It still exists as OS-9000. > I bought my first copy of OS/2 at a ComputerFest. In it's earlier > years, it was quite interesting and you could learn a lot. Now, it just > seems to be a search for the lowest price. At least they still have the > chocolate and peanut covered ice cream. ;-) I recall reading that Linus Torvalds remarked a couple of years ago that the only serious Linux events left were Linux.conf.au and the Ottawa Linux Symposium. Others may disagree but I think there is no doubt many computer events have become very light. > However, with all those non-computer items being sold, I'm beginning to > feel the show's overpriced, even with free admission. :-( I felt the presence of the non-computer stuff was odd, and I thought maybe another event was sharing the hall :) On the plus side I spoke to quite a few people after my talks who indicated the intention to start using Linux. I recommended joining the TLUG list to quite a few people. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 22:46:56 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:46:56 -0500 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: References: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41AB8D0E.4010204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41ABA6E0.7020904@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, James Knott wrote: >>However, with all those non-computer items being sold, I'm beginning to >>feel the show's overpriced, even with free admission. :-( > > > I felt the presence of the non-computer stuff was odd, and I thought > maybe another event was sharing the hall :) Unfortunately no. That area has been a "feature" of the show, for a few years now. I guess they need something to help fill the space. At one time, ComputerFest filled that entire hall and then some. Then a few years back, they started putting that other stuff in a side room. As the ComputerFest continued to shrink, they brought the pots etc., into a section of the main area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Nov 29 23:24:53 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:24:53 +0000 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: <41ABA6E0.7020904-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41AB8D0E.4010204@rogers.com> <41ABA6E0.7020904@rogers.com> Message-ID: <34e8a43d041129152423e7acfe@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:46:56 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Unfortunately no. That area has been a "feature" of the show, for a few > years now. I guess they need something to help fill the space. At one > time, ComputerFest filled that entire hall and then some. Then a few > years back, they started putting that other stuff in a side room. As > the ComputerFest continued to shrink, they brought the pots etc., into a > section of the main area. > I actually did attend that computer fest as well. Like Mr. McGregor I had also taken the TTC to the computer show, which from Mississauga took a good 45 minutes in 5.30pm traffic. Not to bad. I actually had no plans on buying anything at that show, seeing some good deals. But I came across this old book booth, many of you probably stopped by since it was one of 2 or 3 book booths there. I picked up the book "The Linux Cookbook" for 15 bucks. Overall I have to say that future years had been a bigger success for compufest. I actually talked to some people that had said there were troubles with the owners, that had lead to the poor show this year. I didn't get the full story, but it seems as if the owners had gone their own ways. One still running compufest. What a shame. - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 03:08:24 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:08:24 -0500 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41AB9DD8.15297.7CF26C@localhost> Colin said (among other things): > just to get in the door (grumble). Part of the show was devoted to direct > marketing people, with some cosmetics firms, and cooking equipment firms (the > former I have ZERO interest in, the latter my interest is ... somewhat limited). > The direct marketing people did noticeably dilute the focus of the show. I was doing the Free advice table, and wholeheartedly agree. I had people walking up to us wondering (rightly so) what we were giving free advice about, since the sign above us ("free advice table") left it kind of open, and not everything at CompuSale was computer-oriented. No, we don't give advice on your love life, investments, or whatnot. It was the first time in my experience this has happened, after doing this in the past. I also commented to my wife that if it was that hard for the organisers to find reputable computer sellers, the least they could have done is bring in *electronics* vendors - stereo, video, home theatre - since that *can* have a (however tenuous) PC association. But to be fair, they did bring Myles White out of hibernation. While I am not a terribly big Myles White fan, it is a big boost to CompuSale's profile, and two hours of Myles is a darn sight better than having a telemarketer up there with a powerpoint show for the same two hours. Paul ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 00:51:52 2004 From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:51:52 Subject: CompuSale Computer Show review In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d041129152423e7acfe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41ABA6E0.7020904@rogers.com> <00aa01c4d55f$8a3428a0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <41AB8D0E.4010204@rogers.com> <41ABA6E0.7020904@rogers.com> <34e8a43d041129152423e7acfe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20041130005152.765725c4@mail.look.ca> At 11:24 PM 2004/11/29 +0000, Adam Raymond wrote: (snip) > >Overall I have to say that future Don't you mean past, or previous ? years had been a bigger success for >compufest. It was actually called "Computer Fest", not "compufest". >I actually talked to some people that had said there were >troubles with the owners, that had lead to the poor show this year. The same downtown in the computer industry killed off The Canadian Computer Show and ComDEx (Computer Dealers' Exposition). Blame the downturn, not the split. >I >didn't get the full story, but it seems as if the owners had gone >their own ways. Mr. George Bashir says that he was the original founder of Computer Fest. He owns 3 stores in Scarborough: - Books & Music, Agincourt Mall, 3850 Sheppard Avenue East at Kennedy Road, Scarborough - Books 4 Less, Warden Power Centre, Warden Avenue north of St. Clair Avenue East - CompuBooks, 3395 St. Clair Avenue East, between Kennedy Road and Midland Avenue, Scarborough He is now running Super Computer Sale. He runs much smaller shows, much more often, at first for $3, now free. He operates them in a variety of locations, and a variety of cities in the Greater Toronto area. He recently had one on a Friday in St. Lawrence Market, at the intersection of Jarvis and Front Street, downtown Toronto. This past Saturday, three days ago, he ran one in unit 2, 3395 St. Clair Avenue East, next door to CompuBooks, which he owns. Admission was free. He provided free: - pizza, pop, bottled water, cookies and a large variety of candies. Apart from binoculars, and satellite TV receivers which interact with personal computers, and connect to the Web, everything was computer-related. One booth was selling Borland Windows software for fifty cents a package. He distributed free Linux CD-ROM software, free cables, etc. >One still running compufest. What a shame. This past Saturday, the two men who were owners of Computer Fest, now divided, were simultaneously running competing shows - one by the airport (Compu Sale), and one in Scarborough (Super Computer Sale). Jim McIntosh -------------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 06:21:15 2004 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:21:15 +0800 Subject: Qmail relay Message-ID: <200411301421.15022.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi ALL, I have a LAN Based Mail Server ( qmail ) and Im trying to migrate things.. on a different box.. and on a diff isp.. ill be doing things in parallel to minimize downtime.. internet(isp1) --- Mail Server 1 ---- (fiber through LAN) ----- Mail Server2 internet(isp2) -- New Mail Server 2 ( this is a new box replacement for Mail Server2 ) How can I relay all mails from Mail Server2 to New Mail Server 2 ? (both box are running qmail) or can you point me to a howto on this? Im not the one managing the Mail Server 1 and it will take years to ask them to do this... ( not a good service )... TIA, -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 07:56:46 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:56:46 -0500 Subject: Qmail relay In-Reply-To: <200411301421.15022.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200411301421.15022.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <200411300256.46080.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On November 30, 2004 01:21 am, JM wrote: > Hi ALL, > > I have a LAN Based Mail Server ( qmail ) and Im trying to migrate things.. > on a different box.. and on a diff isp.. ill be doing things in parallel to > minimize downtime.. > > > internet(isp1) --- Mail Server 1 ---- (fiber through LAN) ----- Mail > Server2 > > > internet(isp2) -- New Mail Server 2 ( this is a new box replacement for > Mail Server2 ) > > > How can I relay all mails from Mail Server2 to New Mail Server 2 ? (both > box are running qmail) or can you point me to a howto on this? http://iain.cx/qmail/articles/migrating.html -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:00:29 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? Message-ID: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP address. Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been launched was up and running on the net somewhere (I think Korea but it wasn't entirely clear from traceroute). So, why not? I ran nmap against it, with a no-ping scan and OS detection. Lo and behold, a Linux 2.4.7 system with a spate of wide-open ports, including ftp (!). I tried it, and it permitted anonymous ftp, though apparently chrooted: I couldn't discover anything about its identity. Also imap, pop3, ssh, and a few filtered ports (irc and the netbios suite among them). Okay, NOW WHAT? I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and send them a note about cracker attempts. Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:08:52 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:08:52 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access Message-ID: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same type of information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently I have put 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the data. This obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many potentially dangerous uses than simple partition information gathering. Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which partitions are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how much space is used and available on a given partition and so forth? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:09:59 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:09:59 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <20041130160959.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:00:29AM -0500, Peter King wrote: > Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with > only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few > thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" > names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours > later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully > logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP > address. > > Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on > it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been > launched was up and running on the net somewhere (I think Korea but it > wasn't entirely clear from traceroute). > > So, why not? I ran nmap against it, with a no-ping scan and OS > detection. > > Lo and behold, a Linux 2.4.7 system with a spate of wide-open ports, > including ftp (!). I tried it, and it permitted anonymous ftp, though > apparently chrooted: I couldn't discover anything about its identity. > Also imap, pop3, ssh, and a few filtered ports (irc and the netbios > suite among them). > > Okay, NOW WHAT? > > I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from > wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do > next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to > rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just > knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and > send them a note about cracker attempts. > > Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) I suspect most likely you will just discover that the machine you found, has been successfully cracked, and is being used to try and crack more machines. After all, if the "cracker" has any brains they wouldn't be doing it from their own machine would they? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:24:25 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:24:25 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <20041130112425.3c3fd96b.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500 Peter King wrote: > Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with > only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few > thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" > names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours > later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully > logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP > address. > > Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on > it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been > launched was up and running on the net somewhere (I think Korea but it > wasn't entirely clear from traceroute). Yeah, they're a busy bunch - they hit my box last week. If you change your ssh configuration to listen on a different port, that will at least stop your system from getting DOSed. Yes, it was Korea. Rob > -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:26:19 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:26:19 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <41AC9B14.4000305-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:08:52AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same > type of information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently I > have put 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the data. > This obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many potentially > dangerous uses than simple partition information gathering. > > Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which > partitions are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how > much space is used and available on a given partition and so forth? Thanks! cat /proc/partitions any use? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:31:25 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:25 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <200411301131.25165.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> On Tuesday November 30 2004 11:00 am, Peter King wrote: > Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with > only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few > thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" > names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours > later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully > logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP > address. > > Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on > it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been > launched was up and running on the net somewhere (I think Korea but it > wasn't entirely clear from traceroute). > > So, why not? I ran nmap against it, with a no-ping scan and OS > detection. > > Lo and behold, a Linux 2.4.7 system with a spate of wide-open ports, > including ftp (!). I tried it, and it permitted anonymous ftp, though > apparently chrooted: I couldn't discover anything about its identity. > Also imap, pop3, ssh, and a few filtered ports (irc and the netbios > suite among them). > > Okay, NOW WHAT? You're the philosopher, so even if you could hack this guy, you should be able to figure out whether or not you should. If his ISP is responsible, then report him, in any case black hole him and move on. Charly Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:31:38 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:38 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500, Peter King wrote: [..] > > Okay, NOW WHAT? > > I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from > wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do > next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to > rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just > knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and > send them a note about cracker attempts. > > Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) Retribution? Don't bother. As other posters have mentioned, that machine you found is likely itself already hacked. I suppose you could write to the ISP, alerting them to the attack. My first suggestion is to disable root login from SSH -- a suggestion that floated by on the list recently. Great advice .. I made that setting change immediately. Is it possible to limit the range of IPs that SSH will accept a connection from? If you're leaving a connection open so you (or others) can log in from a couple of known locations, that kind of security will work fine. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 16:32:01 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:32:01 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <20041130162619.GL8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:08:52AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same >>type of information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently I >>have put 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the data. >>This obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many potentially >>dangerous uses than simple partition information gathering. >> >> Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which >>partitions are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how >>much space is used and available on a given partition and so forth? Thanks! > > > cat /proc/partitions any use? Yes, quite actually! Thank you! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 17:30:09 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:30:09 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <41ACA081.5050706-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041130173009.GM8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >cat /proc/partitions any use? > > > > Yes, quite actually! Thank you! It doesn't give anymore than a list of partitions the kernel knows about. Free space and such and actual size are probably a different problem. Actually free space on partition would require mounting or filesystem specific tools to figure out. To figure out actual disk size, partition sizes and unused space, well that would need fdisk, and it probably requries at least read access to the raw disk device node. Now on my system (running debian), any user added to the 'disk' group has full raw access to the disk and can hence use /sbin/fdisk. probably not a safe idea in general as it lets the user modify the disk at will. Having just an sudo entry for running fdisk -l (and no other fdisk options) should actually be safe. Sudo can be quite restrictive in how you are allowed to run a command. You should be able to say something like 'only allow user to run fdisk -l' and then not allow passing any arguments. It should then just list every partition on every disk and how big they are and how much unpartitioned space is on the disk and such. Now if you add software raid or lvm to the mix, you need additional tools to determine volume sizes and such. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 19:36:18 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:36:18 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <41ACA081.5050706-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041130193618.GA24179@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:08:52AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > >> I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same > >>type of information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently I > >>have put 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the data. > >>This obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many potentially > >>dangerous uses than simple partition information gathering. > >> > >> Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which > >>partitions are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how > >>much space is used and available on a given partition and so forth? > >>Thanks! > > > > > >cat /proc/partitions any use? > > > > Yes, quite actually! Thank you! In cases where there isn't such a simple answer, you can write a front-end script to the program you want to make available in limited fashion. So, instead of allowing fdisk from sudo, you allow a fdpart script that calls fdisk with the right args and filters the result into a nice format, but the script is very careful about limiting its use and transmission of user-provided arguments, so the use has no direct control over the set of flags and arguments used in the fdisk invokation that actually does the underlying work. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 17:45:13 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:45:13 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <20041130173009.GM8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> <20041130173009.GM8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41ACB1A9.30405@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>>cat /proc/partitions any use? >> >> >> >>Yes, quite actually! Thank you! > > > It doesn't give anymore than a list of partitions the kernel knows > about. Free space and such and actual size are probably a different > problem. Actually free space on partition would require mounting or > filesystem specific tools to figure out. > > To figure out actual disk size, partition sizes and unused space, well > that would need fdisk, and it probably requries at least read access to > the raw disk device node. > > Now on my system (running debian), any user added to the 'disk' group > has full raw access to the disk and can hence use /sbin/fdisk. probably > not a safe idea in general as it lets the user modify the disk at will. > Having just an sudo entry for running fdisk -l (and no other fdisk > options) should actually be safe. Sudo can be quite restrictive in how > you are allowed to run a command. You should be able to say something > like 'only allow user to run fdisk -l' and then not allow passing any > arguments. It should then just list every partition on every disk and > how big they are and how much unpartitioned space is on the disk and > such. > > Now if you add software raid or lvm to the mix, you need additional > tools to determine volume sizes and such. :) > > Lennart Sorensen Actually, that is how I collect free/used space as it is; mount, read in the relevant 'df' data and dismount. I was kind of hoping I could find another way to get that data without all the cost however it isn't critical. You are also right, I did try 'fdisk -l' and now that alone works and no other switch (thank you!) however simply cat'ing a file as a regular user is yet more safe. :) Thank you very much again! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 17:49:32 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:49:32 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <20041130193618.GA24179-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> <20041130193618.GA24179@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20041130174932.GN8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 02:36:18PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > In cases where there isn't such a simple answer, you can write > a front-end script to the program you want to make available > in limited fashion. So, instead of allowing fdisk from sudo, > you allow a fdpart script that calls fdisk with the right args > and filters the result into a nice format, but the script > is very careful about limiting its use and transmission of > user-provided arguments, so the use has no direct control over > the set of flags and arguments used in the fdisk invokation > that actually does the underlying work. Except all sane unix systems do not permit suid scripts. You would have to write a wrapper program that isn't just a script. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 18:19:36 2004 From: wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (WK) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <41ACB9B8.4000408@halfmind.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500, Peter King wrote: > [..] > > Is it possible to limit the range of IPs that SSH will accept a > connection from? If you're leaving a connection open so you (or > others) can log in from a couple of known locations, that kind of > security will work fine. > > Alex You could limit what ip can connect to your ssh through iptables. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 19:15:32 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:15:32 +0200 (IST) Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <41AC9B14.4000305-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same type of > information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently I have put > 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the data. This > obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many potentially dangerous > uses than simple partition information gathering. > > Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which partitions > are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how much space is used > and available on a given partition and so forth? Thanks! cat /proc/partitions Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 19:34:28 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:34:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Peter King wrote: > Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with > only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few > thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" > names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours > later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully > logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP > address. > Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on > it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been It could be spoofed or it could be a box with dynamic dialup address, so you may be tracrouting the wrong box, however based on what you say later, in this case you may have the right box. > Lo and behold, a Linux 2.4.7 system with a spate of wide-open ports, > including ftp (!). I tried it, and it permitted anonymous ftp, though > apparently chrooted: I couldn't discover anything about its identity. > Also imap, pop3, ssh, and a few filtered ports (irc and the netbios > suite among them). > > Okay, NOW WHAT? In these cases I try to find someone responsible for the box. If you telnet to port 25 it may announce a domain name. You can then email numerous addresses at that domain (root, postmaster, hostmaster, webmaster, etc). Also, you can use whois to determine who owns the address range and possibly contact them (depends on what result you get). I have done this and often receive a reply within minutes. One German group thanked me for pointing out one of their servers had been hacked and a large Brazillian ISP proved very prompt in responding another day. > I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from > wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do This is unlawful. I'd avoid even trying this. The box has probably beein hijacked in order to launch further attacks (as you allude to) and taking it down will only cover the tracks of the baddie. > next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to > rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just > knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and > send them a note about cracker attempts. Here is an example of using whois. My external IP here is 66.11.142.143. This command shows my ISP: whois -h whois.arin.net 66.11.182.in-addr.arpa Interestingly this is a different format from that used by most whois servers. This seems to be an oddity of ARIN that I had not noticed before. Normally the IP address is reversed in an in-addr.arpa address. I shall mail a friend of mine who is a senior sysadmin at a registry. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 19:35:48 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:35:48 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <20041130173009.GM8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> <20041130173009.GM8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41ACCB94.5060807@deeptown.org> df -ha + /proc/partitions will give Madison much more info than all other approaches. All the Best! Sergey. Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >>>cat /proc/partitions any use? >>> >>> >> >> >>Yes, quite actually! Thank you! >> >> > >It doesn't give anymore than a list of partitions the kernel knows >about. Free space and such and actual size are probably a different >problem. Actually free space on partition would require mounting or >filesystem specific tools to figure out. > >To figure out actual disk size, partition sizes and unused space, well >that would need fdisk, and it probably requries at least read access to >the raw disk device node. > >Now on my system (running debian), any user added to the 'disk' group >has full raw access to the disk and can hence use /sbin/fdisk. probably >not a safe idea in general as it lets the user modify the disk at will. >Having just an sudo entry for running fdisk -l (and no other fdisk >options) should actually be safe. Sudo can be quite restrictive in how >you are allowed to run a command. You should be able to say something >like 'only allow user to run fdisk -l' and then not allow passing any >arguments. It should then just list every partition on every disk and >how big they are and how much unpartitioned space is on the disk and >such. > >Now if you add software raid or lvm to the mix, you need additional >tools to determine volume sizes and such. :) > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 19:32:10 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:32:10 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <41AC9B14.4000305-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41ACCABA.4080103@deeptown.org> Hi Madison, Check if you can reach /proc/partitions. All needed info is there. All the Best! Sergey. Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to find a way in perl as a regular user to get the same > type of information as I get when I run 'fdisk -l' as root. Currently > I have put 'fdisk' in my '/etc/sudoers' file and use sudo to get the > data. This obviously is not ideal though because 'fdisk' has many > potentially dangerous uses than simple partition information gathering. > > Does anyone know of a way that I can get information like which > partitions are online but NOT mounted (probably most important), how > much space is used and available on a given partition and so forth? > Thanks! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 22:23:12 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:23:12 -0500 Subject: partition info in perl without root access In-Reply-To: <20041130174932.GN8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41AC9B14.4000305@alteeve.com> <20041130162619.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41ACA081.5050706@alteeve.com> <20041130193618.GA24179@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20041130174932.GN8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041130222312.GA24711@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:49:32PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 02:36:18PM -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > > In cases where there isn't such a simple answer, you can write > > a front-end script to the program you want to make available > > in limited fashion. So, instead of allowing fdisk from sudo, > > you allow a fdpart script that calls fdisk with the right args > > and filters the result into a nice format, but the script > > is very careful about limiting its use and transmission of > > user-provided arguments, so the use has no direct control over > > the set of flags and arguments used in the fdisk invokation > > that actually does the underlying work. > > Except all sane unix systems do not permit suid scripts. You would have > to write a wrapper program that isn't just a script. sudo makes a fine wrapper for this purpose. I was addressing an answer to the theme "I want to provide users with root access to program FOO but only for a specific purpose, and FOO has powerful options that could be misused." that was inherent in Madison's original question. Instead of allowing sudo acces to FOO, you allow sudo access to FOOfront, where FOOfront is a script that only provides a limited access to the capabilities of FOO. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 20:59:40 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 30 Nov 2004 15:59:40 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: Alex Beamish writes: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500, Peter King wrote: > [..] > > > > Okay, NOW WHAT? > > > > I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from > > wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do > > next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to > > rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just > > knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and > > send them a note about cracker attempts. > > > > Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) > > Retribution? Don't bother. As other posters have mentioned, that > machine you found is likely itself already hacked. I suppose you could > write to the ISP, alerting them to the attack. > > My first suggestion is to disable root login from SSH -- a suggestion > that floated by on the list recently. Great advice .. I made that > setting change immediately. Even better is to disable password based logins, allowing only key based logins. This secures you against dictionary based attacks. Barring flaws in ssh itself, an attacker would need your private ssh key and associated pass phrase to get into your computer via ssh. > Is it possible to limit the range of IPs that SSH will accept a > connection from? If you're leaving a connection open so you (or > others) can log in from a couple of known locations, that kind of > security will work fine. If you take the above steps and keep ssh up-to-date, this (locking down ssh access to a few IPs) buys you only a little additional security at quite a cost in terms of inconvenience. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 22:11:09 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:11:09 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: On 30 Nov 2004 15:59:40 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Alex Beamish writes: > Even better is to disable password based logins, allowing only key based > logins. This secures you against dictionary based attacks. Barring flaws in > ssh itself, an attacker would need your private ssh key and associated pass > phrase to get into your computer via ssh. Just the private ssh key, afaik. Now, to GET the private ssh key, an attacker would need to get access to your key file (which would be located on a USB memory stick or laptop or wherever you're logging in FROM) AND your associated passphrase in order to decrypt the key file (key file + passphrase = private key). At least that's my understanding. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 23:53:16 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:53:16 +0200 (IST) Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) Message-ID: I have a strange problem. I have a simple forking server that has a structure like: sigaction(SIGCHLD...catcher) socket() bind() listen() while(1) { t = accept() fork() // child read() write() exit() } catcher() ... problem: the first client connects and everything works. The second concurrent client connects (while the first one is connected) and it is blocked on accept(). gdb attached to the parent process shows the blocking is on the accept() call. If the first client closes its socket the first child exits and now the blocking accept opens and the second client forks and works. I.e. I cannot have more than one child (actually socket) of the parent process (socket) concurrently. Huh ? I tried setting various socket options using linger, reuseaddr, etc. I have extensive logging turned on and this is precisely what happens. I even modified the master socket to be nonblocking and async and have logging turned on. Even with nonblocking accept and the second client connected accroding to netstat, accept returns EAGAIN while the second client is blocking. HUH ?! This is something that happens at the kernel/firewall level imho. I used several interfaces for testing (lo, eth0, default etc). The code is known to work (it worked a few years ago). The only thing I haven't tried was to use a long version of fork, and to link statically in the hope that whatever mutex is in accept() will decide to work. Btw when the second client connects netstat shows it's connected, accept() blocks however. Any ideas as to what might cause this strange behavior ? Maybe I forgot something but I don't think so. This is code that used to work. The compiler is gcc-3.3.3 and the kernel is 2.4 (debian based). Is there a setting on how many children a process can fork or spawn ? I tried to run the server as root, but no change. Any ideas are welcome. tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Nov 30 23:57:09 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 01:57:09 +0200 (IST) Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) Message-ID: Just a quick correction: the netstat output does NOT show a connection for the second client. I will try to sniff it using tcpdump, it might be stuck in the pre-open state. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml