Officially OT -> Re:My fiscal responcibility...

[J. Schaap]

On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 13:25, James Knott wrote:
> J. Schaap wrote:
> >>"Mnay people have such beliefs, simply because they've been brainwashed
> > 
> > all their lives with such things."<
> > 
> > Judging you by your own standards:
> > 
> > Many people have such *unbeliefs*, simply because they've been
> > brainwashed all their lives with such things.
> > 
> 
> OK, where are the proofs that the Bible is not simply a collection of 
> fiction?  With science, the goal is to continually refine the knowledge, 
> not simply accept "that's the way it is", unlike religion, where you're 
> supposed to accept, without question.
> 
The Old Testament as I see it is a collections of books. One of these
collections deals with a code of ethics (Law). To teach moral standards
to the nation of Israel. 
Can't really call that fiction.
My religion doesn't allow me to simply accept "that's the way it is"
without question.

> One of the principal causes of the dark ages, was the imposition of 
> ignorance, by the church.  Ever wonder why only the Christian world was 
> afflicted by that great loss of knowledge?  Ever wonder why the Arab 
> world flourished back in those days, only to similarly flounder, when 
> their beliefs became dominant?  A few hundred years ago, it was accepted 
> knowledge that the world was flat, even though others had earlier proven 
> otherwise.  The teachings of the church were that the earth was the 
> center of the universe.  Those falacies and others have fallen, simply 
> because people such as Galeleo, Coperinicus and others were willing to 
> stand up to what religion taught as being correct.
There is such a thing as traditions. The Jewish people according,
to the New Testament had a problem with that. They had some weird ideas. 
That also applies to the people in the past and also in this present time.
These things have nothing to with religion. 
If the so called "church" would have studied the scriptures they would
come to the conclusion that the earth is a 'sphere' and hangs on
nothing. (Book of Job, considered to be thousands of years old).
Christopher Columbus quoted Isaiah 40:21-22 to prove that the world was
round: 

"Do you not know? 
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded?
He sits enthroned above the 'circle' of the earth, and its people are
like grasshoppers."

the word 'circle' here in Hebrew is 'chuwg' which 'sphere'

The plague in medieval Europe, it has been said, could have been avoided
if people would have read and understand the scriptures.
 
> Then we get to religious frauds, such as the Shroud of Turin, which for 
> centuries was held as an article of faith, by the Catholic church, only 
> to be shown to be the fraud that it was, when science was allowed to be 
> applied.  The history of religion is full of such deception.  Perhaps 
> that's because it's entire foundation is fraudulent.
> 
I would call it the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic church has a
different meaning to me.
There are lots of these religious frauds around.
But then are scientific frauds and history of science is full of
deception. 
It is up to us to make a discerned judgement in either religion or
science. And that is not an easy task.

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