From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 1 03:29:51 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:29:51 -0400 Subject: Wrong ad on www.linux.org In-Reply-To: <200406300859.24566.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> > It's sad but I believe that most people just buy whatever is shovelled to them > through the media, witness the recent election ;-) Yeah, um, presumably the Conservatives should have won, had they not bought the shovelling, right? -- "cbbrowne","@","cbbrowne.com" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/x.html "I think that helps the users too much." -- CSTACY -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 1 05:26:11 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 01:26:11 -0400 Subject: Firefox In-Reply-To: <40E34E83.7000305-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40E31BF6.8030807@canada.com> <1088625913.32157.393.camel@192.168.1.80> <40E34E83.7000305@canada.com> Message-ID: <20040701052611.GA525@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 07:36:35PM -0400, Gilles Fourchet wrote: > Well, I guess I did not explain myself. > > Actually, I can indeed do a new window from Firefox. My problem is > more when you launch it from another application, for instance the > MUA. It is more than boring to have the profile manager started > instead of the browser, just because I forgot than I had already > started it for something else. > > Therefore, it would be very nice to be able to start several instances > of firefox with the same profile. > > Gilles >From top of my head, try ~/.mailcap with text/html; firefox -remote 'openURL(%s)'; test=ps -C firefox 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Q: What do you use to remove bugs on your Windows? A: Windex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 1 05:50:45 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:50:45 -0400 Subject: Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <40E31BF6.8030807@canada.com> <200406301750.33468.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <40E337C4.5000604@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <40E3A635.5040702@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here is an untested suggestion: Instead of calling 'firefox -remote "openURL(...)"' try using the 'mozilla-remote-client' or 'mozilla-firefox-remote-client' found in the firefox installation directory such as: 'mozilla-remote-client "openURL(...)"' Like I said, I haven't tried it, but it may work. By the way, it looks like mozilla.org are aware of this bug; I don't remember the # though. Jing Su wrote: > > > A clarification about the script... > It uses the -remote command line argument to work. It appears that this > functionality is broken in the 0.9 and 0.9.1 releases of firefox. I'm not > sure if it's just broken or if they're changing it. However, the script I > posted works with firefox 0.8, and Mozilla as well. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA46YzRreNkzrRRLQRAho5AKCV/xLQLgtIIi1x7bKpC+AR3WJgTQCeIKqH gCOKO1ndEvayOsO6Y8M92iY= =84cL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 1 19:44:19 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:44:19 -0400 Subject: Wrong ad on www.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 11:29:51PM -0400, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > It's sad but I believe that most people just buy whatever is shovelled to them > > through the media, witness the recent election ;-) > > Yeah, um, presumably the Conservatives should have won, had they not > bought the shovelling, right? Apparently Canada hasn't gotten _that_ desperate yet. Ontario still remembers what a conservative government is capable of. Good thing too as far as I can tell. Is this related to the politics involved with choosing (or not) Linux? People are too stuck with the problems they are used to and not willing to risk going for something they don't know but which may be much better. The green party even sounded fairly reasonable, but almost no one seems to vote for them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Jul 1 22:17:25 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040701194419.GN4640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > better. The green party even sounded fairly reasonable, but almost no > one seems to vote for them. The "first past the post voting system" currently in use in Canadian federal elections is a problem IMHO. The fact that it discourages voting for minority parties "that won't get in anyway" is well known. A system of preferential voting can help here since people can vote for a minority party as first preference without fear that their vote will be "wasted." Proportional representation allows more representation for minority views but it can be taken too far as well (see the Knesset for an example of this). Wikipedia has several great sections comparing various real-world voting systems currently in use. Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 04:24:15 2004 From: rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:24:15 -0400 Subject: Skype and IP Telephony In-Reply-To: <40E3A635.5040702-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E3A635.5040702@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <003c01c45fec$6f4c79e0$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> Skype is now available on Linux. There is a good article here on Skype and IP Telephony in general http://www.economist.com/people/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2876993. Best, Robert Robert F. Kennedy Toronto -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 12:46:45 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 08:46:45 -0400 Subject: Backup strategy comments requested Message-ID: <1088772404.8953.85.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Hello I'm looking for comments on a strategy I'm considering for 4 machines running at my home business. Each machineJ requires only 1 disk called "ProductionJ." GRUB is the bootloader. CLOSE to 24/7 availability is important. I don't want to use RAID. (My experiences with RAID1 were bad and RAID is probably overkill anyway.) In the event that ProductionJ is toast, the idea is to replace it with DailyJ or WeeklyJ and re-boot. That's critical. In the event of catastrophe, I don't want to be re-installing software. My thoughts were to get 2 more disks for each machineJ, called "DailyJ" and "WeeklyJ." "Daily" would usually be installed. A nightly rsync would update ProductionJ's 9 partitions to DailyJ's 9 partitions. Once a week, DailyJ would have to be swapped with WeeklyJ. Is this a good idea? Known issues/questions: - Changes to the /boot partition will undoubtedly be rare. How should they be made? dd? What are the position-critical files? I'm new to GRUB: is it just the "stage2" file? - Changes to the MBR will undoubtedly be rare. How should they be made? dd? - It's been suggested to use external USB devices to house DailyJ and WeeklyJ, in order to accomplish a poor man's hot-swappable disk scenario. (My assumption was to use "disk trays".) I have no experience with USB. Would this work? Do these USB storage devices contain quite ordinary looking IDE disks? -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 07:38:45 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:38:45 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: convert unix->outlook email format Message-ID: I seek $SUBJ scripts or equivalent. I know it's in the wrong direction ;-) Also, is it possible to run squirrelmail on a unix mailbox file (very large) and present the result as html ? What would the best tool be for this (convert a large file of unix mail to html or similar). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From constantine.k-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 14:04:19 2004 From: constantine.k-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Constantine Karbaliotis) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:04:19 -0400 Subject: convert unix->outlook email format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088777057.3015.0.camel@localhost> http://outport.sourceforge.net/index.php - "Outport aims to be a generic program for exporting data from Outlook (Outlook + export = Outport. Original eh? :-) ) to various email/pim programs. It currently it can export to the Contact, Calendar and Task formats of Evolution, plus a number of generic formats supported by Outlook itself (Rich Text Format, HTML, vCalendar, vCard, iCalendar, etc)." On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 10:38 +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I seek $SUBJ scripts or equivalent. I know it's in the wrong direction ;-) > > Also, is it possible to run squirrelmail on a unix mailbox file (very > large) and present the result as html ? > > What would the best tool be for this (convert a large file of unix mail to > html or similar). > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Constantine Karbaliotis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 15:13:24 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:13:24 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > better. The green party even sounded fairly reasonable, but almost no > > one seems to vote for them. > > The "first past the post voting system" currently in use in Canadian > federal elections is a problem IMHO. The fact that it discourages voting > for minority parties "that won't get in anyway" is well known. A system > of preferential voting can help here since people can vote for a minority > party as first preference without fear that their vote will be "wasted." > > Proportional representation allows more representation for minority views > but it can be taken too far as well (see the Knesset for an example of > this). Proportional representation also has the effect of diminishing/eliminating geographic representation, as well as putting into Party hands the choice of who actually gets elected. Two cases in the recent election are interesting that way: 1. Sheila Copps got pushed out because of redistricting; another Liberal candidate won nomination to represent the party in that seat. Under PR, it is unclear what would happen to either candidate. 2. Dennis Mills lost to Jack Layton; in a PR system, if both were important to their respective party, they would probably both be made to win, but without geographical representation. In effect, one of the prime problems with PR is that it eliminates the notion of representing a "geographical riding." What is usually proposed as an answer to that is to say that there will be some percentage of seats assigned geographically, and some assigned via PR. The result is something that still won't be PR... In the most recent election, we wouldn't see anything massively different from the mix we actually _do_ see, namely a Parliament that is _heavily_ divided on regional lines. PR would mean that the Liberals would have slightly fewer seats, those seats largely going to NDP and Green parties. I'm not sure but that this might lead to the troubled Knesset-like building of weird coalitions controlled by the itty bitty parties that were the ones that had to be drawn in to fabricate the majority. -- If this was helpful, rate me http://cbbrowne.com/info/multiplexor.html "Ahhh. A man with a sharp wit. Someone ought to take it away from him before he cuts himself." -- Peter da Silva -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 16:13:51 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:13:51 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040702151324.369D53FCD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 11:13:24AM -0400, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > > better. The green party even sounded fairly reasonable, but almost no > > > one seems to vote for them. > > > > The "first past the post voting system" currently in use in Canadian > > federal elections is a problem IMHO. The fact that it discourages voting > > for minority parties "that won't get in anyway" is well known. A system > > of preferential voting can help here since people can vote for a minority > > party as first preference without fear that their vote will be "wasted." > > > > Proportional representation allows more representation for minority views > > but it can be taken too far as well (see the Knesset for an example of > > this). > > Proportional representation also has the effect of > diminishing/eliminating geographic representation, as well as putting > into Party hands the choice of who actually gets elected. But *Probabilistic* Proportional Representation (PPR) [due, AFAIK, to Russell O'Connor] preserves geographic representation, while keeping minority views represented. Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability proportional to the number of votes he/she received. So if Mills and Layton were neck-and-neck, they'd each have about a 50% chance of being elected (with a small chance going to the other parties). Overall, parties would have about the number of seats as would be expected from their popular vote figures: the Greens would have gotten about 13 seats, and the Marxist-Leninists would get one seat every 20 years or so. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 16:58:25 2004 From: pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:58:25 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040702161351.GA29422-ttbbhJeM8dAnxqbYAscKCQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> Message-ID: <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8@istop.com> On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability > proportional to the number of votes he/she received. That's rather clever and might even result in more people voting. (i.e. There's no sense of, "why bother, this riding is obviously a 2-horse race.") Of course, to save time and money, you could just randomly select one person from each riding as *THE* voter and he/she/it gets to name the representative. It should be the same distribution. :-) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 17:25:26 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:25:26 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>; from pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org on Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 12:58:25PM -0400 References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8@istop.com> Message-ID: <20040702132526.A20125@ee.ryerson.ca> I was intrigued to see that the Marijuana Party was substantially ahead of the Marxist-Leninists. Years ago I lived in the third floor of an appartment building, in the company of some ML folks on the second floor. The landlord was very stingy with heat in the winter, and so I tried to recruit the other tenants to the cause of putting pressure on the landlord. Everyone was willing to join in this effort except the ML people. They had bigger fish to fry, intent as they were on inciting world revolution by handing out leaflets at the corner of Bathurst and Bloor. Peter On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 12:58:25PM -0400, Phillip Mills wrote: > On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > > Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability > > proportional to the number of votes he/she received. > > That's rather clever and might even result in more people voting. > (i.e. There's no sense of, "why bother, this riding is obviously a > 2-horse race.") > > Of course, to save time and money, you could just randomly select one > person from each riding as *THE* voter and he/she/it gets to name the > representative. It should be the same distribution. :-) > > ........................ > Phillip Mills > Multi-platform software development > (416) 224-0714 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 17:29:42 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 02 Jul 2004 13:29:42 -0400 Subject: Backup strategy comments requested In-Reply-To: <1088772404.8953.85.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1088772404.8953.85.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: Alan Cohen writes: > Hello > > I'm looking for comments on a strategy I'm considering for 4 machines > running at my home business. Each machineJ requires only 1 disk called > "ProductionJ." GRUB is the bootloader. CLOSE to 24/7 availability is > important. I don't want to use RAID. (My experiences with RAID1 were > bad and RAID is probably overkill anyway.) I strongly disagree wrt RAID. I've had a couple of bad experiences with hardware RAID but I've seen far more failures of individual disks -- in fact, I think reliability is getting worse with modern ATA disks -- and I've had excellent results with software RAID on Linux and Solaris. Disks are so cheap now that I recommend all production systems be installed with software RAID. > In the event that ProductionJ is toast, the idea is to replace it with > DailyJ or WeeklyJ and re-boot. That's critical. In the event of > catastrophe, I don't want to be re-installing software. > > My thoughts were to get 2 more disks for each machineJ, called "DailyJ" > and "WeeklyJ." "Daily" would usually be installed. A nightly rsync would > update ProductionJ's 9 partitions to DailyJ's 9 partitions. Once a > week, DailyJ would have to be swapped with WeeklyJ. > > Is this a good idea? With this approach, you could still lose a full day. Start with software RAID1 and complement it with nightly backups (using rsync or whatever) to a spare disk as you suggested above. > Known issues/questions: > - Changes to the /boot partition will undoubtedly be rare. > How should they be made? dd? If you mean how should you copy /boot from one disk to another (backup disk), I would suggest a simple script that makes a file system on the backup and copies the contents from the original using tar or cpio. You can use dd (from one block device to the other) as long as both devices aren't mounted and the target partition is at least as large as the source. If it's even a tiny bit smaller, your backup will be toast. I prefer the mkfs followed by tar or cpio because it accomodates differences in size better. > What are the position-critical files? I'm new to GRUB: is it just > the "stage2" file? I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just make sure you have a grub boot floppy or CD. Grub's interactive nature makes it easy to find your kernel (and initrd if required) even without a menu file. > - Changes to the MBR will undoubtedly be rare. > How should they be made? dd? With grub. > - It's been suggested to use external USB devices to house DailyJ and > WeeklyJ, in order to accomplish a poor man's hot-swappable disk > scenario. (My assumption was to use "disk trays".) I have no > experience with USB. Would this work? Do these USB storage devices > contain quite ordinary looking IDE disks? Typically, yes. If you're concerned, you can buy the disk and USB storage enclosure separately at a number of stores on College St. If you go with RAID, USB disks would be useful for your backups as you could take them off site. I wouldn't include them in your RAID configuration or boot from them directly (in the event of a failure) due to performance considerations. IIRC, USB2 is still only 154Mbps. Also, USB can be difficult to boot from. In my experience, many BIOSes that claim to support USB won't boot from them. And, if the BIOS can boot from an external USB disk, you would still need an initrd that would load the necessary USB and sd modules before mounting the root partition. Since USB storage emulates SCSI, your /etc/fstab would be different when running from USB. While all this can be done, it's a chunk of work for marginal benefit. Hope this helps, -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 18:27:58 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:27:58 -0400 Subject: Home Servers Message-ID: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I am looking into serving web and mail from home, but I'd prefer not to use a high power-draw machine like a typical desktop. Are there inexpensive server appliances that are worth recommending that draw less than 300W? I recall the Cobalt Qube servers which seemed to do very nicely, but since Sun ate Cobalt they don't seem to make the entry-level non-rack server products any more. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 18:35:21 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:35:21 -0400 Subject: Home Servers In-Reply-To: <20040702182758.GA6083-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040702143521.08fcbb23.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:27:58 -0400 William O'Higgins wrote: > I am looking into serving web and mail from home, but I'd prefer not to > use a high power-draw machine like a typical desktop. Are there > inexpensive server appliances that are worth recommending that draw less > than 300W? I recall the Cobalt Qube servers which seemed to do very > nicely, but since Sun ate Cobalt they don't seem to make the entry-level > non-rack server products any more. I've found using a used desktop in the .5 to 1 Ghz. range with E-Smith or SME server or whatever they're calling it now to be a good combination. It's basically a stripped linux distro with a web admin interface. http://www.memeshadow.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/Esmith Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 19:50:10 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8@istop.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Phillip Mills wrote: > Of course, to save time and money, you could just randomly select one > person from each riding as *THE* voter and he/she/it gets to name the > representative. It should be the same distribution. :-) I like it :) In at least one SciFi story the parliament of a nation was chosen at random from among the citizens. Something like "Congratulations, you've been randomly selected to be in the next parliament. 3 years in parliament or 6 years in jail, your choice..." The theory being that those best able to lead were those who did not want to. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jul 2 20:11:02 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:11:02 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8@istop.com> Message-ID: <40E5C156.2040702@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Phillip Mills wrote: > > >>Of course, to save time and money, you could just randomly select one >>person from each riding as *THE* voter and he/she/it gets to name the >>representative. It should be the same distribution. :-) > > > I like it :) In at least one SciFi story the parliament of a nation was > chosen at random from among the citizens. Something like > "Congratulations, you've been randomly selected to be in the next > parliament. 3 years in parliament or 6 years in jail, your choice..." > > The theory being that those best able to lead were those who did not want > to. > That's the problem with elections. No matter who you vote for, a politician always wins. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 01:56:15 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:56:15 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040702151324.369D53FCD@cbbrowne.com> <20040702161351.GA29422@smtp.paip.net> <089DFA25-CC49-11D8-9A0B-00050249A5C8@istop.com> Message-ID: <20040703015615.57B0F3FCD@cbbrowne.com> > On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > > Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability > > proportional to the number of votes he/she received. > > That's rather clever and might even result in more people voting. > (i.e. There's no sense of, "why bother, this riding is obviously a > 2-horse race.") Unfortunately, it leaves two problems: 1. It doesn't permit any way of reacting to a need for a recount; 2. It mandates having a _very_ good way to choose randomly. I have read _Seminumerical Algorithms_, which is a pretty canonical text on the matter; understanding that the method is good requires knowing mathematics that to the average Joe is pretty much majick. > Of course, to save time and money, you could just randomly select one > person from each riding as *THE* voter and he/she/it gets to name the > representative. It should be the same distribution. :-) Before anyone laughs _too_ hard, that is remarkably similar to the impact of the "Electoral College" used to elect the US president. The way the president is elected is that each state votes for some number of such representatives. In the last election, it was argued (mostly by Democrats) that the election was unfair due to the bias introduced by the E.C. Reality should rear its ugly head... ... Florida could easily have gone either way, given a few thousand votes shifting this way or that. And that would shift the election one way the other. And reality was, nation-wide, that the result was incredibly near. For it to go one way or the other is entirely to be expected. Whomever won couldn't claim any "grand" victory; whomever lost certainly couldn't claim that it was clear that they ought to have won. It's much like the 49.something % versus 50.1% situation with the last Quebec referendum. It was probably best that "No" won, as they represented a status-quo. You can't legitimately claim a mandate to create a new country when virtually half the population voted against it. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/emacs.html "prepBut nI vrbLike adjHungarian! qWhat's artThe adjBig nProblem?" -- Alec Flett -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 02:36:59 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:36:59 -0400 Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> Stewart C. Russell wrote: > The FAT filesystems sometimes panic and remount read-only, Yeah, someone else also said I should check that /mnt/floppy is not mounted read-only. Yet I look in /etc/fstab and see no 'ro' entry: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 00 Still I get, Error while moving items to /mnt/floppy/.Trach-chris. The destination disk is read-only. > I find. It can be a pain when shifting 5GB of data to your mp3 player. I'll bet! Chris > > > Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 02:47:59 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 22:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040703015615.57B0F3FCD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040703015615.57B0F3FCD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability > > > proportional to the number of votes he/she received. > > Unfortunately, it leaves two problems: > 1. It doesn't permit any way of reacting to a need for a recount; You don't really need recounts. The point of a recount is to verify the decision in a very close race, but in this scheme, all a recount can do is change the odds very slightly, which is very unlikely to make a difference to the result. You can simply live with that. > 2. It mandates having a _very_ good way to choose randomly. > I have read _Seminumerical Algorithms_, which is a pretty > canonical text on the matter; understanding that the method > is good requires knowing mathematics that to the average Joe > is pretty much majick. You're a computer guy thinking in terms of computer methods. The key here is *don't use a computer*. In any case, you're not after a pseudorandom number, which is what Knuth is agonizing over; real randomness is what's called for here. Say in your district, 34,000 people voted Liberal, 27,000 voted NDP, and 9,000 voted for assorted fringe parties :-), making a total of 70,000. Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or used to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery, except load it with a couple of hundred balls with numbers 0-9. The first five out give you a number from 0 to 99,999. If it's 70,000 or higher, toss those balls back in and try again. If it's 0-33,999, the Liberals win. If it's 34,000-60,999, the NDP wins. And likewise for the fringe parties. The machine is easily audited, and you do the actual selection with the TV cameras live. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 02:54:02 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 22:54:02 -0400 Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40E61FCA.8090408@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > > Error while moving items to /mnt/floppy/.Trach-chris. The destination > disk is read-only. Doing an su to root did not help: [chris-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]$ su Password: [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# rm -r /mnt/floppy/* rm: remove write-protected regular file `/mnt/floppy/apr2004disbursejournal.xls'? y rm: cannot remove `/mnt/floppy/apr2004disbursejournal.xls': Read-only file system Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:00:08 2004 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:00:08 +1000 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088823608.14424.5.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 12:47, Henry Spencer wrote: > Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or used > to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery... Selecting government by 6/49. Ha. I wonder how much lottery tickets would cost? And what, exactly, is the jackpot? AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics Consulting Pty Ltd http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:01:36 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:01:36 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40E62190.4050106@rogers.com> Or simply reach into the box of votes, and draw out ONE ballot .... whoever that ballot is for, is the winner. Tom Legrady Henry Spencer wrote: >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>>>Simply, in each riding, you pick a candidate to win with probability >>>>proportional to the number of votes he/she received. >>>> >>>> >>Unfortunately, it leaves two problems: >> 1. It doesn't permit any way of reacting to a need for a recount; >> >> > >You don't really need recounts. The point of a recount is to verify the >decision in a very close race, but in this scheme, all a recount can do is >change the odds very slightly, which is very unlikely to make a difference >to the result. You can simply live with that. > > > >> 2. It mandates having a _very_ good way to choose randomly. >> I have read _Seminumerical Algorithms_, which is a pretty >> canonical text on the matter; understanding that the method >> is good requires knowing mathematics that to the average Joe >> is pretty much majick. >> >> > >You're a computer guy thinking in terms of computer methods. The key here >is *don't use a computer*. In any case, you're not after a pseudorandom >number, which is what Knuth is agonizing over; real randomness is what's >called for here. > >Say in your district, 34,000 people voted Liberal, 27,000 voted NDP, and >9,000 voted for assorted fringe parties :-), making a total of 70,000. >Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or used >to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery, except load it with a couple of >hundred balls with numbers 0-9. The first five out give you a number from >0 to 99,999. If it's 70,000 or higher, toss those balls back in and try >again. If it's 0-33,999, the Liberals win. If it's 34,000-60,999, the >NDP wins. And likewise for the fringe parties. The machine is easily >audited, and you do the actual selection with the TV cameras live. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:18:18 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:18:18 -0400 Subject: Home Servers In-Reply-To: <20040702182758.GA6083-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040703032231.01DD52B4098@gollum.gregorypleau.com> William, I have a 2.8 GHz Shuttle XPC that runs on a 200W power supply.... probably not the lowest you can go for power use but it is under your 300W threshold. And it's certainly handling the household stuff around here nicely. Another thing I liked about it is that it was instantly friendly to Fedora Core 2. Sound, Video, IDE/SATA, Network - kudzu basically handled everything. I've even got lm_sensors running happily. - Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William > O'Higgins > Sent: July 2, 2004 2:28 PM > To: tlug > Subject: [TLUG]: Home Servers > > I am looking into serving web and mail from home, but I'd prefer not to > use a high power-draw machine like a typical desktop. Are there > inexpensive server appliances that are worth recommending that draw less > than 300W? I recall the Cobalt Qube servers which seemed to do very > nicely, but since Sun ate Cobalt they don't seem to make the entry-level > non-rack server products any more. > -- > > yours, > > William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:29:37 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:29:37 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <1088823608.14424.5.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1088823608.14424.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040703032937.GA965@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 01:00:08PM +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 12:47, Henry Spencer wrote: > > Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or > > used to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery... > > Selecting government by 6/49. Ha. I wonder how much lottery tickets > would cost? > > And what, exactly, is the jackpot? Best idea I've heard in long time. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Q: What do you use to remove bugs on your Windows? A: Windex. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:31:59 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:31:59 -0400 Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy In-Reply-To: <40E61BCB.7070307-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40E628AF.6050401@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, Perhaps 'ro' is the default mount option. You should really add 'rw' to /etc/fstab (changing the third column to 'auto,rw'). Check the output of "mount | grep floppy" (after mounting the floppy) to see if it is mounted ro or rw. For example, my output is: $ mount | grep floppy /dev/fd0 on /floppy type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,dirsync,user=anton) ^^ read-write! If it says 'ro', add the 'rw' flag to /etc/ftab Chris Aitken wrote: > Yeah, someone else also said I should check that /mnt/floppy is not > mounted read-only. > > Yet I look in /etc/fstab and see no 'ro' entry: > > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto > noauto,owner,kudzu 00 > > Still I get, > > Error while moving items to /mnt/floppy/.Trach-chris. The destination > disk is read-only. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA5iiuRreNkzrRRLQRAn9hAJ9sRf62zk9gXzJMh6cjt0QLQFFD9ACfXyKf CKbr9Ncym81k8IeCbT5nweI= =EdjF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 03:39:00 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:39:00 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040703032937.GA965-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1088823608.14424.5.camel@localhost> <20040703032937.GA965@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <40E62A54.4090303@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Government by lottery... if the picked government is a minority, that wouldn't make any difference, considering a minority government can't do much in Canada. Even if you picked a majority government it makes little difference, since many people treat elections as a popularity contests anyways. The question is, where is the real power...? William Park wrote: > On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 01:00:08PM +1000, Andrew Cowie wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 12:47, Henry Spencer wrote: >> >>>Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or >>>used to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery... >> >>Selecting government by 6/49. Ha. I wonder how much lottery tickets >>would cost? >> >>And what, exactly, is the jackpot? > > > Best idea I've heard in long time. > - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA5ipTRreNkzrRRLQRAnmkAJ9z+dOVp3WAbkNnREJQIjO5QujvyACdGEui ibnmZEUGUN76G0Kmo8AnYCE= =n17W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 04:07:32 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:07:32 -0400 Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys Message-ID: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward", "stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the keys (i.e. when I go to create a new action and press the key to assign it, nothing happens). I know some GNOME program works with it, but I was looking for a KDE-friendly solution. Thanks! - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA5jEDRreNkzrRRLQRAuiZAJ9ClGwKdbWevwChhlmXWg9ToWxtTgCeMsTF O0TuxQ0qmxrk3mhhd9mYslA= =NL4q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 04:12:42 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:12:42 -0400 Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys In-Reply-To: <40E63104.7050301-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <40E6323A.8070105@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just to clarify, I don't want to use the keys for their intended "back", "forward", etc. browsing functions (unless someone knows how to make that work with Firefox). I just need some mechanism of catching the button events and using them to run a shell script (or maybe make DCOP calls to, say, 'JuK'). Anton Markov wrote: > Hello, > > I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a > set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward", > "stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell > scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the > keys (i.e. when I go to create a new action and press the key to assign > it, nothing happens). I know some GNOME program works with it, but I was > looking for a KDE-friendly solution. > > Thanks! > - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA5jI5RreNkzrRRLQRAoNgAJ9YB+FQJZRG2T7OwfbmM7sxHtiZ+wCaApMB AUebwloB9V7sInxcRu9ljJI= =Exsj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 04:45:17 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 00:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy In-Reply-To: <40E61BCB.7070307-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > Yet I look in /etc/fstab and see no 'ro' entry: That only tells you what the default mount option is. Type "mount" to see what filesystems are currently mounted and with what options. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 04:52:54 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:52:54 -0400 Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> <40E628AF.6050401@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <40E63BA6.9090202@onlink.net> Anton Markov wrote: > > >If it says 'ro', add the 'rw' flag to /etc/ftab > [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# mount | grep floppy /dev/fd0 on /mnt/floppy type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=chris) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 05:01:15 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:01:15 -0400 Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40E63D9B.8090600@onlink.net> Robert Brockway wrote: Now, all of a sudden it worked. I don't know why. I didn't make any changes to /etc/fstab. I have found that deleting files off floppies in this build (rh7.3 w 8.0 upgrade) is flaky. [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# rm -r /mnt/floppy/* rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/apr2004disbursejournal.xls'? y rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/spmcashflowprojection.xls'? y [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# ls -a /mnt/floppy . .. [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# Anyway, thanks for the help. It was educational. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jim.rootham-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 05:18:44 2004 From: jim.rootham-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jim Rootham) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:18:44 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <20040702151324.369D53FCD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: At 11:13 AM -0400 7/2/04, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >In effect, one of the prime problems with PR is that it eliminates the >notion of representing a "geographical riding." > >What is usually proposed as an answer to that is to say that there will >be some percentage of seats assigned geographically, and some assigned >via PR. The result is something that still won't be PR... > Let me describe what is actually being proposed, as opposed to what people here think is being proposed. The short name is regional mixed member proportional representation. It works like this: The country is divided into regions and the regions are divided into ridings. The regions get a total of seats higher than the riding count (probably in the 1.25 - 1.5 times area). Each party nominates a candidate for each riding and a list of candidates for the region. Every voter votes twice, once for a local candidate and once for a party. The local candidates win on FPTP just like now. The list candidates get allocated to repair the proportionality. So, a party that gets more riding seats than its total vote deserves gets fewer list seats. The size of the regions can be adjusted so that a percentage cut off is not required, but every pary with seats has a significant vote (probably about 5%, which means regions are about 20 seats). It may not be proportional to a tenth of a percentage point, but it comes to a pretty fair approximation. >In the most recent election, we wouldn't see anything massively >different from the mix we actually _do_ see, namely a Parliament that is >_heavily_ divided on regional lines. > There is some regionality in this system, but that is intrinsic to Canada. There would be Conservatives from Quebec (but not many) and NDP members from Alberta (also not a lot). > >I'm not sure but that this might lead to the troubled Knesset-like >building of weird coalitions controlled by the itty bitty parties that >were the ones that had to be drawn in to fabricate the majority. Israel is a unrepresentative example. 1) there are national lists, not regional ones 2) there is a very low minimum cutoff, so tiny parties survive. 3) Isreal is much more divided than Canada. Isreal has no constitution because they cannot agree on one. Pace the separatists Canada is not that divided. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 11:11:57 2004 From: f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andy Jack) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 07:11:57 -0400 Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys In-Reply-To: <40E63104.7050301-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040703111157.GG3319@seahorse> On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 12:07:32AM -0400, Anton Markov wrote: > I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a > set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward", > "stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell > scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the <...> Hi; while this isn't an answer to your question it may lead you in the right direction. I had one of these MS keyboards set up to work with hotkeys under FluxBox. In XF86Config I had: Option "XkbModel" "microsoftinet" Using "xev" and pushing all the extra buttons you can see the messages each keypress/unpress event generates and figure out the button names. They were things like "XF86Back", "XF86Forward", "XF86MyComputer", and so on. xev will also tell you if X is actually getting events from keypresses... maybe this is why you can't input them into KHotKeys? While FluxBox doesn't have a decent interactive key editor (that I've foudn) I could add a line to ~/.fluxbox/keys like: None XF86MyComputer :ExecCommand aterm Shift XF86Stop :ExecCommand xmms --stop So I think your challenge now is to see if the KHotKeys will accept these long event names somehow... HTH, Andy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 13:03:38 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:03:38 -0400 Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal installation guide Message-ID: <40E6AEAA.2080003@onlink.net> Does anyone know where I can view a SuSE 9.1 Personal installation guide? I'd rather see all information in one place than google piecemeal for partitioning, configuration, packages, etc. I am googling for an installation guide (and looking through links at www.suse.com) to no avail. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 13:06:39 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:06:39 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <017501c460fe$97db2e20$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I must admit that the first past the post system in Canada suits me just fine, as it: - allows for regional differences - holds individuals directly responsible for past actions in Parliament - prevents the constant weird minor party colalitions that seem a constant pain for places like Israel. - Is simple to understand. - Has a long history of working pretty well. What does bother me about the current system is ridding size. Why is it that you can have a ridding like say Nunivut with a population of 26,745 (for details see: http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/308/) and a ridding like Etobicoke-Lakeshore with a population of 113,914 (for details see: http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/130/). In other words the folks in Nunivut get over FOUR times the representation per person that does someone in Etobicoke-Lakeshore, which in my mind is very unfair. The only legal issue I am aware of that could hurt balancing out ridding sizes is that P.E.I. when they joined Canada insisted as part of their agreement that P.E.I. would be represented by at least 3 MPs in Ottawa. P.E.I.'s population is 135,294, which when divided by three gives us a ridding size of 45,098. Canada's population 30,007,094 divided by 45,098 would give us 665 ridings. 665 ridings strikes me as a bit much, maybe the solution there is to "grandfather" P.E.I. at three ridings and make every other ridding in the nation larger... Now net effect of changing the ridding sizes so they were even (or at least even for everywhere except P.E.I.) would be that Canada's cities would not get ignored the way they have so often in the past, which in my books would be a great thing... Colin McGregor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brockway" To: "TLUG mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: [TLUG]: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] > On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > better. The green party even sounded fairly reasonable, but almost no > > one seems to vote for them. > > The "first past the post voting system" currently in use in Canadian > federal elections is a problem IMHO. The fact that it discourages voting > for minority parties "that won't get in anyway" is well known. A system > of preferential voting can help here since people can vote for a minority > party as first preference without fear that their vote will be "wasted." > > Proportional representation allows more representation for minority views > but it can be taken too far as well (see the Knesset for an example of > this). > > Wikipedia has several great sections comparing various real-world voting > systems currently in use. > > Rob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 13:07:45 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:07:45 -0400 Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal installation guide References: <40E6AEAA.2080003@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40E6AFA1.1040907@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Does anyone know where I can view a SuSE 9.1 Personal installation guide? Looks like I found one at http://students.ee.sun.ac.za/linux/user/ch01.html Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 07:51:11 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:51:11 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Home Servers In-Reply-To: <20040703032231.01DD52B4098-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <20040703032231.01DD52B4098@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: I would try to use a laptop for this. Power requirements will be lowest and at low load, much lower than a desktop/server box. Backup power is also easily solved. For a home based server with low load I don't think you can beat the price, espceially since you probably already own the laptop. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From qualish-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 14:31:47 2004 From: qualish-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Neil Pritchard) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 10:31:47 -0400 Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys In-Reply-To: <20040703111157.GG3319-5ttTcWKSjlQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com> <20040703111157.GG3319@seahorse> Message-ID: <1088865107.29705.2.camel@sanctum.homelinux.org> On Sat, 2004-07-03 at 07:11, Andy Jack wrote: > On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 12:07:32AM -0400, Anton Markov wrote: > > I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a > > set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward", > > "stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell > > scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the > <...> Gnome has an entirely seperate utility to deal with what it classes as 'multimedia keys' as opposed to regular keyboard shortcuts. Is there something similar in KDE? Not entirely sure if this will be helpful, or incite the usual KDE vs Gnome flamewar, but... -- Neil Pritchard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 14:41:10 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:41:10 -0400 Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org] In-Reply-To: <40E62A54.4090303-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1088823608.14424.5.camel@localhost> <20040703032937.GA965@node1.opengeometry.net> <40E62A54.4090303@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040703104110.350d5822.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:39:00 -0400 Anton Markov disseminated the following: > The question is, where is the real power...? "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws." -- Amschel Mayer Rothschild, banker Saw this in someone's sig, thought it was appropos. BTW, did anyone on here ever see Rick Mercer's lecture on 'Why the Liberal's Will Rule Canada Forever'? A gut-busting classic, I wish I had a copy of that one. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 10:37:09 up 4 days, 13:07, 7 users, load average: 0.21, 0.23, 0.17 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." -- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 15:15:50 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys In-Reply-To: <20040703111157.GG3319-5ttTcWKSjlQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com> <20040703111157.GG3319@seahorse> Message-ID: <40E6CDA6.7010400@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks Andy! I followed your suggestion and changed the 'Option "XkbModel"' in the keyboard section of my XF68Config file, and now when I go into the kHotkeys configuration and press one of the keys, it inputs a name like "XF86Back", etc. For the record, here is my 'keyboard' section: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" ## Use the multimedia keys on a Microsoft keyboard: Option "XkbModel" "microsoftinet" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Thanks again! Andy Jack wrote: > On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 12:07:32AM -0400, Anton Markov wrote: > >>I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a >>set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward", >>"stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell >>scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the > > <...> > > Hi; while this isn't an answer to your question it may lead you in the > right direction. I had one of these MS keyboards set up to work with > hotkeys under FluxBox. In XF86Config I had: > > Option "XkbModel" "microsoftinet" > > Using "xev" and pushing all the extra buttons you can see the messages > each keypress/unpress event generates and figure out the button names. > They were things like "XF86Back", "XF86Forward", "XF86MyComputer", and > so on. xev will also tell you if X is actually getting events from > keypresses... maybe this is why you can't input them into KHotKeys? > > So I think your challenge now is to see if the KHotKeys will accept > these long event names somehow... > > HTH, > Andy - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA5s2lRreNkzrRRLQRAl/UAJ9LeLw5Gfp23OfgUFpqgTU0FipRxwCbBtFI frzaVsg9XW8eBeYrPLvQ2MY= =VUvr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 19:31:56 2004 From: gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:31:56 -0400 Subject: Home Servers In-Reply-To: <20040702182758.GA6083-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <40E709AC.6060102@axentra.net> William O'Higgins wrote: > I am looking into serving web and mail from home, but I'd prefer not to > use a high power-draw machine like a typical desktop. Are there > inexpensive server appliances that are worth recommending that draw less > than 300W? I recall the Cobalt Qube servers which seemed to do very > nicely, but since Sun ate Cobalt they don't seem to make the entry-level > non-rack server products any more. You might want to check out the Net-Box Linux based appliance servers from http://axentra.com. I have been using their email and web space service which has the same web based interface as their servers. (You can try it out for free at http://www.axentra.net.) Axentra is based in Gatineau, Quebec. -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org http://axentra.net/www/gwalsh/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Jul 3 20:02:24 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:02:24 -0400 Subject: convert unix->outlook email format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200407031602.24436.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On July 2, 2004 03:38 am, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I seek $SUBJ scripts or equivalent. I know it's in the wrong direction ;-) The simplest method that comes to mind is to setup an imap server for reading your mailboxes, setup outlook to read from the imap server, drag the mail into your Outlook folders. If you're trying to convert multiple mailboxes for multiple users this obviously would get too time consuming ... > Also, is it possible to run squirrelmail on a unix mailbox file (very > large) and present the result as html ? I'm not sure that squirrelmail supports mbox files directly but again you could setup an imap server and configure squirrelmail to use that imap server. > What would the best tool be for this (convert a large file of unix mail to > html or similar). Yuck, how do you convert mail to html, wrap 
 tags around the body?

You could use formail to split up the large mailbox into individual emails 
then feed that to a shell script to do the formatting.

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul  3 23:30:17 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 19:30:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org]
In-Reply-To: <017501c460fe$97db2e20$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com> 
 <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
 <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
 
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Message-ID: 

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Colin McGregor wrote:

> I must admit that the first past the post system in Canada suits me just
> fine, as it:
>
> - allows for regional differences

I think there may be some confusion here.  A first past the post system
has to do with how candidate selection within a single riding is handled.

It is entirely different to the concept of proportional representation
which is to do with how many candidates may be elected in a single riding
(and how ridings are arranged).  It is permissible to mix and match a
first past the post or preferential voting system with different systems
of representation.

For example, the Australian House of Representatives is elected using the
system of prefertial voting (first past the post was eliminted a while
back) but the elected officals still hold the same responsibility to their
electorate (aka riding) as members of the House of Commons do here.

All of the items below seem to be arguments against proportional
representation rather than preferential voting.

> - prevents the constant weird minor party colalitions that seem a constant
> pain for places like Israel.

This is certainly a well known problem of proportional representation.

I am a fan of the way the Australian parliament does it - one house uses
small geographic electorates (ridings) with a single elected official.
Each electorate has about 80,000 voters.

The other house uses a system of state based proportional representation.
The system used downunder is a combination of the Westminster system and
the American Congress and was designed to balance different states having
very different populations.  Throw in cool stuff like double-dissolutions
and joint-sittings and you have a system that runs really well.

> - Is simple to understand.

Honestly, I hope this would not prevent a nation from implementing a
better system.

I am disappointed about how little most people know about the workings of
their own government.  A proper course on the workings of government (all
branches) should be part of the school cirriculum.  Maybe it is here, I
don't know, but I find most people in western nations can tell you little
about their own national government.

Cheers,
	Rob

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul  4 01:22:39 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:22:39 -0400
Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org]
In-Reply-To: 
References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com>  <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <017501c460fe$97db2e20$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <40E75BDF.8020905@sympatico.ca>

Robert Brockway wrote:
> 
> I am disappointed about how little most people know about the workings of
> their own government.  A proper course on the workings of government (all
> branches) should be part of the school curriculum.

It is in Scotland, where we have an interesting two-vote FPTP/PR hybird 
system: 
(the above is a school module on the voting system).

Mind you, what cred we gain on our nifty voting system, we utterly lose 
on the cost overruns of our parliament building -- estimated at ?40m in 
1997, completed for ?430m in 2004. Ahem.

  Stewart
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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul  4 01:51:51 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:51:51 -0400
Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org]
In-Reply-To: <40E75BDF.8020905-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com>
	
	<01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1>
	<200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
	<20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com>
	<20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
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Message-ID: <20040703215151.5d85a78e.joehill@sympatico.ca>

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:22:39 -0400
Stewart C. Russell disseminated the following:

> > I am disappointed about how little most people know about the workings of
> > their own government.  A proper course on the workings of government (all
> > branches) should be part of the school curriculum.
> 
> It is in Scotland, where we have an interesting two-vote FPTP/PR hybird 
> system: 
> (the above is a school module on the voting system).
> 
> Mind you, what cred we gain on our nifty voting system, we utterly lose 
> on the cost overruns of our parliament building -- estimated at ?40m in 
> 1997, completed for ?430m in 2004. Ahem.

...and here we thought Scotsmen were frugal ;-)

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul  4 22:01:24 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:01:24 -0400
Subject: Firefox
In-Reply-To: <40E3A635.5040702-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E31BF6.8030807@canada.com> <200406301750.33468.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <40E337C4.5000604@truxtar.com>  <40E3A635.5040702@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <40E87E34.7000504@canada.com>

Thanks everyone for your help (especially Jing for his script).

I suspected that I would need a workaround but was not sure.

Thanks,

Gilles


Anton Markov wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Here is an untested suggestion:
>
>Instead of calling 'firefox -remote "openURL(...)"' try using the
>'mozilla-remote-client' or 'mozilla-firefox-remote-client' found in the
>firefox installation directory such as:
>
>'mozilla-remote-client "openURL(...)"'
>
>Like I said, I haven't tried it, but it may work. By the way, it looks
>like mozilla.org are aware of this bug; I don't remember the # though.
>
>
>Jing Su wrote:
>  
>
>>A clarification about the script...
>>It uses the -remote command line argument to work.  It appears that this
>>functionality is broken in the 0.9 and 0.9.1 releases of firefox.  I'm not
>>sure if it's just broken or if they're changing it.  However, the script I
>>posted works with firefox 0.8, and Mozilla as well.
>>    
>>
>
>- --
>Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")>
>
>GnuPG Key fingerprint =
>5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3  CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4
>
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>
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From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:13:41 -0400
Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org]
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On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 11:01:36PM -0400, Tom Legrady wrote:
> Or simply reach into the box of votes, and draw out ONE ballot .... 
> whoever that ballot is for, is the winner.
> 
> Tom Legrady
> 
> Henry Spencer wrote:
> 
> >You're a computer guy thinking in terms of computer methods.  The key here
> >is *don't use a computer*.  In any case, you're not after a pseudorandom
> >number, which is what Knuth is agonizing over; real randomness is what's
> >called for here. 
> >
> >Say in your district, 34,000 people voted Liberal, 27,000 voted NDP, and
> >9,000 voted for assorted fringe parties :-), making a total of 70,000. 
> >Use one of those drum-full-of-numbered-balls machines they use (or used
> >to, last I looked) for the 6/49 lottery, except load it with a couple of
> >hundred balls with numbers 0-9.  The first five out give you a number from
> >0 to 99,999.  If it's 70,000 or higher, toss those balls back in and try
> >again.  If it's 0-33,999, the Liberals win.  If it's 34,000-60,999, the
> >NDP wins.  And likewise for the fringe parties.  The machine is easily
> >audited, and you do the actual selection with the TV cameras live.

Read Henry's last sentence again, Tom.  Picking out an
actual ballot is easier to "fix", and much harder to
prove that it was done fairly.  (Even if you didn't pick
the ballot that was hidden in the sleeve of you coat,
did you pick a ballot box from the east end of the riding
that was strongly liberal, the west end that was strongly
conservative, or that first poll that reported in one
B.C. riding that had the Green Party leading for a while?
And did you *really* pick the ballot that was folded into
a paper airplane at *random*?)  For validation purposes,
the individual poll boxes are not going to all be tossed
into a single large bin for you to pick from.

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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 04:38:08 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:38:08 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
Message-ID: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>

I'm at my wit's end with this problem.  What I want, is for php4 and
MySQL and apache 1.3 to interact.  What I've got is this:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in ...

I know that this is probably because php4 was installed before
php4-mysql, but I can't seem to fix it.  If I try to remove php4 and
php4-mysql and install them in a different order, apt tries to give me
apache2, which I don't want.  There *must* be a way to alter a
configuration file to get php to acknowledge mysql, but I can't see
what's missing.  php.ini looks completely in order.

Any suggestions?
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 06:01:46 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:01:46 +0300 (IDDT)
Subject: convert unix->outlook email format
In-Reply-To: <200407031602.24436.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: 
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Message-ID: 


On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:

> On July 2, 2004 03:38 am, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> > I seek $SUBJ scripts or equivalent. I know it's in the wrong direction ;-)
>
> The simplest method that comes to mind is to setup an imap server for reading
> your mailboxes, setup outlook to read from the imap server, drag the mail
> into your Outlook folders.

Hm, I haven't thought of that. Unfortunately I can't do that. I need to
'thaw' mail archives for someone who is not computer literate and lost her
mail due to Allesschluck [*]. She is not localized where I am.

> If you're trying to convert multiple mailboxes for multiple users this
> obviously would get too time consuming ...
>
> > Also, is it possible to run squirrelmail on a unix mailbox file (very
> > large) and present the result as html ?
>
> I'm not sure that squirrelmail supports mbox files directly but again you
> could setup an imap server and configure squirrelmail to use that imap
> server.

At least one of the webmail programs allows a unix mbox file to be fed
into it and will turn it into webmail. But I do not remember which one.

> > What would the best tool be for this (convert a large file of unix mail to
> > html or similar).
>
> Yuck, how do you convert mail to html, wrap 
 tags around the body?

How does squirrelmail do it ? Incidentally I have 'played' with groff to
do this and the results are not bad at all as long as there are no tables
in it and quoted parts are treated specially (by a script that you get to
write).

> You could use formail to split up the large mailbox into individual emails
> then feed that to a shell script to do the formatting.

I just did that the other day. Can Outlook import unix mbox format ?

Peter
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 10:49:45 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:49:45 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
In-Reply-To: <20040705043808.GA7681-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200407050649.45320.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 5, 2004 12:38 am, William O'Higgins wrote:
> I'm at my wit's end with this problem.  What I want, is for php4 and
> MySQL and apache 1.3 to interact.  What I've got is this:
>
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in ...
>
> I know that this is probably because php4 was installed before
> php4-mysql, but I can't seem to fix it.  If I try to remove php4 and
> php4-mysql and install them in a different order, apt tries to give me
> apache2, which I don't want.  There *must* be a way to alter a
> configuration file to get php to acknowledge mysql, but I can't see
> what's missing.  php.ini looks completely in order.
>
> Any suggestions?

Edit the file /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and make sure that there is a line like 
this:

extension=mysql.so

The extension lines ususally show up at the end of the file.  After editing 
restart apache.

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From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 11:59:28 2004
From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 07:59:28 -0400
Subject: [OT] Voting systems [was Wrong ad on www.linux.org]
In-Reply-To: <017501c460fe$97db2e20$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E07E61.1040104@rogers.com>  <01ed01c45e49$fd1bfd30$6401a8c0@k4d8m1> <200406300859.24566.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040701032951.7DDA93FC7@cbbrowne.com> <20040701194419.GN4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <017501c460fe$97db2e20$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <40E942A0.2080902@utoronto.ca>

Colin McGregor wrote:
> I must admit that the first past the post system in Canada suits me just
> fine, as it:
> 
> - allows for regional differences
> - holds individuals directly responsible for past actions in Parliament
> - prevents the constant weird minor party colalitions that seem a constant
> pain for places like Israel.
> - Is simple to understand.
> - Has a long history of working pretty well.
> 

The first past the post system is fundamentally undemocratic. Democracy 
is not simple. If you want simplicity, efficiency and stability, well, 
dictatorships are simple, efficient and stable.

For more info, www.fairvote.ca .
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 14:01:10 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:01:10 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
Message-ID: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>

Hey everyone,

I guess I've been pretty dormant of late as a result of not having a
working Linux desktop.  Now that I've finally gotten a kernel build that
doesn't crash, I should be a little more active.

Here's the strange part:  what was causing my system to lock up solid
was APIC support.  Any kernel that I've run with APIC enabled will crash
after what seems like a random period of time no matter what devices are
in use.  The system is now running just fine, but I figured APIC would
help improve stability and performance.  Is this a known bug in either
the kernel or my hardware (Asus A7N8X Deluxe with an Athlon XP 2500+),
or do I simply have a crappy chip?

Thanks,

Kareem

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 14:06:22 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:06:22 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <1089036070.1049.27.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
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On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 10:01:10AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> Here's the strange part:  what was causing my system to lock up solid
> was APIC support.  Any kernel that I've run with APIC enabled will crash
> after what seems like a random period of time no matter what devices are
> in use.  The system is now running just fine, but I figured APIC would
> help improve stability and performance.  Is this a known bug in either
> the kernel or my hardware (Asus A7N8X Deluxe with an Athlon XP 2500+),
> or do I simply have a crappy chip?

Check http://bugzilla.kernel.org to see if anyone else has run into those
problems.  I had issues with the ACPI (NOT APIC) Processor Driver on my
Thinkpad with a 1.8GHz Pentium-M, and after searching the bugzilla archives
(and finding nothing), I opened a new bug, and at least now have this
workaround (don't enable the processor driver).  AFAIK, the processor
driver isn't all that useful on a Pentium-M anyway.  But I digress.

Go check with bugzilla.  :)

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 12:22:37 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:22:37 -0400
Subject: convert unix->outlook email format
In-Reply-To: 
References:  <200407031602.24436.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> 
Message-ID: <40E9480D.6010505@sympatico.ca>

Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> Can Outlook import unix mbox format ?

You won't be too surprised that it can't. But curiously, the Mac MS 
equivalent of Outlook (name forgotten) exports as mbox if you drag 
messages to the desktop.

I'm guessing that you're not looking for one of those tools like mhonarc 
that will convert mesages to HTML digests?

  Stewart

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 14:21:57 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:21:57 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040705140622.GA28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	 <20040705140622.GA28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1089037317.1053.30.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 10:06, Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 10:01:10AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> > Here's the strange part:  what was causing my system to lock up solid
> > was APIC support.  Any kernel that I've run with APIC enabled will crash
> > after what seems like a random period of time no matter what devices are
> > in use.  The system is now running just fine, but I figured APIC would
> > help improve stability and performance.  Is this a known bug in either
> > the kernel or my hardware (Asus A7N8X Deluxe with an Athlon XP 2500+),
> > or do I simply have a crappy chip?
> 
> Check http://bugzilla.kernel.org to see if anyone else has run into those
> problems.  I had issues with the ACPI (NOT APIC) Processor Driver on my
> Thinkpad with a 1.8GHz Pentium-M, and after searching the bugzilla archives
> (and finding nothing), I opened a new bug, and at least now have this
> workaround (don't enable the processor driver).  AFAIK, the processor
> driver isn't all that useful on a Pentium-M anyway.  But I digress.
> 
> Go check with bugzilla.  :)

Found it!


Seems I'm not the only one, and there's a patch for it.  It's going to
take me a bit to go through the details, and I'm a little reluctant to
move away from something I've just made stable, but at least now I know
what I'm facing.

Thanks Taavi!

Kareem

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 14:29:25 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:29:25 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
In-Reply-To: <20040705043808.GA7681-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1089037765.1049.38.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 00:38, William O'Higgins wrote:
> I'm at my wit's end with this problem.  What I want, is for php4 and
> MySQL and apache 1.3 to interact.  What I've got is this:
> 
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in ...
> 
> I know that this is probably because php4 was installed before
> php4-mysql, but I can't seem to fix it.  If I try to remove php4 and
> php4-mysql and install them in a different order, apt tries to give me
> apache2, which I don't want.  There *must* be a way to alter a
> configuration file to get php to acknowledge mysql, but I can't see
> what's missing.  php.ini looks completely in order.
> 
> Any suggestions?

I remember just doing a number of apt-get's and everything working, and
I think I installed mySQL after PHP too.  You could try apt-get install
--reinstall on php4 and/or php4-mysql, though dpkg-reconfigure is
probably a better bet.  I'd also check Fraser's suggestion first.

Good luck!

Kareem

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From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 15:11:00 2004
From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:11:00 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
In-Reply-To: <1089037765.1049.38.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <1089037765.1049.38.camel@localhost>
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Hi Kareem:

Remember to check the apache.conf file for the mysql module installed, 
and uncommented. I did a Debian install similar to yours last year and I 
seem to remember the module requiring a 'manual  uncommenting'.

Dave

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 15:09:36 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:09:36 -0400
Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy
In-Reply-To: <40E63D9B.8090600-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net>  <40E63D9B.8090600@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040705150936.GO4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 01:01:15AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Robert Brockway wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Now, all of a sudden it worked. I don't know why. I didn't make any 
> changes to /etc/fstab. I have found that deleting files off floppies in 
> this build (rh7.3 w 8.0 upgrade) is flaky.
> 
> [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# rm -r /mnt/floppy/*
> rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/apr2004disbursejournal.xls'? y
> 
> rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/spmcashflowprojection.xls'? y
> [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# ls -a /mnt/floppy
> .  ..
> [root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]#
> 
> Anyway, thanks for the help. It was educational.

Well one other posibility is that the write protect detector in the
drive itself is flacky.  I have seen that happen before, in which case
it will think a disk is write protected when it isn't, and will give
flacky results occationally.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 15:13:31 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:13:31 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <1089036070.1049.27.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 10:01:10AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I guess I've been pretty dormant of late as a result of not having a
> working Linux desktop.  Now that I've finally gotten a kernel build that
> doesn't crash, I should be a little more active.
> 
> Here's the strange part:  what was causing my system to lock up solid
> was APIC support.  Any kernel that I've run with APIC enabled will crash
> after what seems like a random period of time no matter what devices are
> in use.  The system is now running just fine, but I figured APIC would
> help improve stability and performance.  Is this a known bug in either
> the kernel or my hardware (Asus A7N8X Deluxe with an Athlon XP 2500+),
> or do I simply have a crappy chip?

In my experience, your best bet on the nforce2 chipset is to turn off
the APIC in the bios, no matter what OS you run (it causes sound
choppiness in XP for example, and yeah linux can lock up with it too).
It seems not to matter which board maker it is, it seems to just be a
not too reliable APIC implementation in an otherwise excelent chipset.
Not as if the APIC is a big deal to have on a single cpu system.

I have an A7N8X-E-DX at work, which is running great with 2.6 kernels,
and I am 99% sure I turned of the APIC in the bios when we got the
machine because I know what it did to XP on the A7N8X-DX boards.

Lennart Sorensen
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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 15:26:28 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:26:28 -0400
Subject: Home Servers
In-Reply-To: <40E709AC.6060102-ymgm7FNFGXDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <40E709AC.6060102@axentra.net>
Message-ID: <20040705152628.GB28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 03:31:56PM -0400, Gary Walsh wrote:
> William O'Higgins wrote:
> >I am looking into serving web and mail from home, but I'd prefer not to
> >use a high power-draw machine like a typical desktop.  Are there
> >inexpensive server appliances that are worth recommending that draw less
> >than 300W?  I recall the Cobalt Qube servers which seemed to do very
> >nicely, but since Sun ate Cobalt they don't seem to make the entry-level
> >non-rack server products any more.
> 
> You might want to check out the Net-Box Linux based appliance servers 
> from http://axentra.com.  I have been using their email and web space 
> service which has the same web based interface as their servers. (You 
> can try it out for free at http://www.axentra.net.)  Axentra is based in 
> Gatineau, Quebec.

Very nice.  However, if you want something even lower-power, don't need
any more digital horses than it provides, and don't mind some geek-fiddling,
you could look for a Netwinder.  At 14W, you can't get much lower power.
General specs are 275MHz StrongARM (yes, you run Linux on this sucker!),
64MB of RAM, and a 10GB HD.

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 15:49:41 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:49:41 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
In-Reply-To: <40E96F84.9030606-VBJBm02B4Ag@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
	 <1089037765.1049.38.camel@localhost>  <40E96F84.9030606@ilap.com>
Message-ID: <1089042581.1047.45.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 11:11, dave morton wrote:
> Hi Kareem:
> 
> Remember to check the apache.conf file for the mysql module installed, 
> and uncommented. I did a Debian install similar to yours last year and I 
> seem to remember the module requiring a 'manual  uncommenting'.
> 
> Dave

I don't have any such line in my httpd.conf or anywhere else, and I have
mySQL and apache working just fine.  Did you perhaps mean the line for
php4?  I remember doing that, but all of the mySQL stuff I've done via
php.ini.

Kareem


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From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 16:01:52 2004
From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:01:52 -0400
Subject: php, MySQL and Debian
In-Reply-To: <1089042581.1047.45.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040705043808.GA7681@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>	 <1089037765.1049.38.camel@localhost>  <40E96F84.9030606@ilap.com> <1089042581.1047.45.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <40E97B70.2090306@ilap.com>

Kareem, Sorry!

You are right...... I am mixing up my config files; there should be a  
line in the
php.ini file which reads:        extension=mysql.so
I had to add it to the file manually. Hope this helps.
Dave
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 16:16:44 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:16:44 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040705151331.GP4640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
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Message-ID: <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 11:13, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> In my experience, your best bet on the nforce2 chipset is to turn off
> the APIC in the bios, no matter what OS you run (it causes sound
> choppiness in XP for example, and yeah linux can lock up with it too).
> It seems not to matter which board maker it is, it seems to just be a
> not too reliable APIC implementation in an otherwise excelent chipset.
> Not as if the APIC is a big deal to have on a single cpu system.
> 
> I have an A7N8X-E-DX at work, which is running great with 2.6 kernels,
> and I am 99% sure I turned of the APIC in the bios when we got the
> machine because I know what it did to XP on the A7N8X-DX boards.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen

I think I once turned off APIC in the bios but left it compiled in the
kernel, and it still locked up.  Strange.  I think I'll stick with my
current kernel build since it seems to have everything working, and as
you said APIC isn't that big a deal.

Good to know about the XP stuff too.  I ran into that for a while, and
didn't know what was causing it.  If for some reason I need to use XP
for anything in the future this will come in handy.

Thanks again!

Kareem

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 19:02:56 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 05 Jul 2004 15:02:56 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <1089044204.1049.49.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	<20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

Kareem Shehata  writes:

> On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 11:13, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > In my experience, your best bet on the nforce2 chipset is to turn off
> > the APIC in the bios, no matter what OS you run (it causes sound
> > choppiness in XP for example, and yeah linux can lock up with it too).
> > It seems not to matter which board maker it is, it seems to just be a
> > not too reliable APIC implementation in an otherwise excelent chipset.
> > Not as if the APIC is a big deal to have on a single cpu system.
> > 
> > I have an A7N8X-E-DX at work, which is running great with 2.6 kernels,
> > and I am 99% sure I turned of the APIC in the bios when we got the
> > machine because I know what it did to XP on the A7N8X-DX boards.
> > 
> > Lennart Sorensen
> 
> I think I once turned off APIC in the bios but left it compiled in the
> kernel, and it still locked up.  Strange.  I think I'll stick with my
> current kernel build since it seems to have everything working, and as
> you said APIC isn't that big a deal.

The BIOS documentation for my home system (single CPU Gigabyte P4) states
that the BIOS and OS APIC settings must match.  IOW, either APIC is disabled
in the BIOS _and_ in the OS or it's enabled in the BIOS _and_ enabled in the
OS.

In my experience, APIC can be a big deal for single CPU systems.  For
example, the on-board Promise RAID controller (which I use as additional IDE
channels) on my home system conflicts with USB unless APIC is enabled in the
BIOS and kernel.  Without APIC, I'm unable to use the RAID controller at all.

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 19:16:40 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:16:40 -0400
Subject: Home Servers
In-Reply-To: <20040705152628.GB28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <40E709AC.6060102@axentra.net> <20040705152628.GB28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040705191640.GA1356@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 11:26:28AM -0400, Taavi Burns wrote:
> Very nice.  However, if you want something even lower-power, don't need
> any more digital horses than it provides, and don't mind some geek-fiddling,
> you could look for a Netwinder.  At 14W, you can't get much lower power.
> General specs are 275MHz StrongARM (yes, you run Linux on this sucker!),
> 64MB of RAM, and a 10GB HD.

Any URL for Netwinder?

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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 19:23:57 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:23:57 -0400
Subject: firefox
Message-ID: 

First, my apologies for not posting as a thread reply to this topic; I
lost the original thread of messages about this.

For those that are interested, here is a fixed version of that browser
launching script I sent out before (it's an attachment).  I use the
mozilla-xremote-client executable that others have pointed out.  It seems
that though the "-remote" command from the primary executable is broken,
the xremote-client executable is able to communicate ok with the running
instance.

What's nice about the script is that you can just keep calling it without
worrying about running instances and stuff.  So, you can do:
 browser.sh thisfile.html
or
 browser.sh /var/www/html/index.html
or
 browser.sh www.google.ca

and it will do the "right thing", regardless of whether or not mozilla (or
firefox) is currently running.  One caveat is that apparently the
'new-tab' and 'new-window' flags for URLs is still broken, even through
the xremote-client program.  So, URL opens always opens a new window and
then opens the URL in the new window, via a workaround.  It's commented in
the script, so you can play around with it.

Anyways, you'll have to edit the script and change the TARGET and REMOTE
variables to point to the right mozilla or firefox programs.

On my system, I have browser.sh copied into /usr/local/bin and made
executable.  I then make /usr/local/bin/mozilla a symlink to this script,
so that programs that call 'mozilla' will automatically go through this
script.  Tailor to your personal taste. :)

Any comments or suggestions welcome.
I hope some of you will find it useful.

-Jing
-------------- next part --------------
#!/bin/sh

#TARGET=/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla
TARGET=/opt/firefox-0.9/firefox
REMOTE=/opt/firefox-0.9/mozilla-xremote-client

if [ "$1" == "-remote" ]; then
    # calling program is smart enough to do it...
    exec $TARGET $*

elif `$REMOTE "ping()" &> /dev/null`; then
    # there is already one running

    if [ -z "$1" ]; then
	exec $REMOTE "openURL("about:blank", new-window)"

    elif [ -f "$1" ]; then
        # okay, tedious work of trying to find the complete pathname
        # make two variables, trying to separate the path from file.
        file=`basename $1`
        path=${1%%${file}}
	if [ ! -d "$path" ]; then
        	# try to fully expand the path
        	path=`pwd $path`
	fi
        # okay, issue the command
	exec $REMOTE "openFile(file://$path/$file, new-tab)"

    else
	# "new-tab" feature for URLs is broken in current firefox
	#exec $REMOTE "openURL($1, new-tab)"
	# so what we do instead is always open a new window and then
	# open the URL
	$REMOTE "xfeDoCommand(openBrowser)"
	exec $REMOTE "openURL($1)"

    fi
else
    # no mozilla currently running
    exec $TARGET $* &
fi

From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 19:39:07 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:39:07 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
Message-ID: <1089056347.1047.60.camel@localhost>


I usually use Evolution on my desktop box to read mail via imap,
however, I've found that it's a really good idea to have a text-based
reader.  I've heard good things about mutt so I thought I'd give it a
try.

I've installed it no problem, and it finds my maildir (~/Maildir)
perfectly, but then it asks if I want to create an mbox.  Later, it asks
if I want to move any read messages there.  I always have to answer no
to both so that courier imap can still find the messages.

How do I configure mutt to just stay within the Maildir?

Thanks!

Kareem

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 19:47:09 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:47:09 -0400
Subject: Home Servers
In-Reply-To: <20040705191640.GA1356-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <40E709AC.6060102@axentra.net> <20040705152628.GB28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040705191640.GA1356@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <20040705194709.GC28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 03:16:40PM -0400, William Park wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 11:26:28AM -0400, Taavi Burns wrote:
> > Very nice.  However, if you want something even lower-power, don't need
> > any more digital horses than it provides, and don't mind some geek-fiddling,
> > you could look for a Netwinder.  At 14W, you can't get much lower power.
> > General specs are 275MHz StrongARM (yes, you run Linux on this sucker!),
> > 64MB of RAM, and a 10GB HD.
> 
> Any URL for Netwinder?

http://www.google.com/search?q=netwinder

Which immediately returns:
http://www.netwinder.org
and
http://www.netwinder.net

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 20:09:37 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:09:37 -0400
Subject: Home Servers
In-Reply-To: <20040705194709.GC28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040702182758.GA6083@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <40E709AC.6060102@axentra.net> <20040705152628.GB28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040705191640.GA1356@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040705194709.GC28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040705200937.GA1772@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 03:47:09PM -0400, Taavi Burns wrote:
> > Any URL for Netwinder?
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=netwinder
> 
> Which immediately returns:
> http://www.netwinder.org
> and
> http://www.netwinder.net

I did try  with no luck.  That's why.  Probably,
problem at my end...  Thanks.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 20:25:10 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:25:10 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost> <20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost> 
Message-ID: <20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 03:02:56PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> The BIOS documentation for my home system (single CPU Gigabyte P4) states
> that the BIOS and OS APIC settings must match.  IOW, either APIC is disabled
> in the BIOS _and_ in the OS or it's enabled in the BIOS _and_ enabled in the
> OS.
> 
> In my experience, APIC can be a big deal for single CPU systems.  For
> example, the on-board Promise RAID controller (which I use as additional IDE
> channels) on my home system conflicts with USB unless APIC is enabled in the
> BIOS and kernel.  Without APIC, I'm unable to use the RAID controller at all.

If a PCI device can't share an interrupt, the device or its driver is
broken.

I have run a system with usb, adaptec 2940uw, pci video card and 3c905
NIC all on a single IRQ without problems.

Of course I also don't want to use Promise's proprietary software raid
ever.

Lennart Sorensen
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 20:31:10 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:31:10 -0400
Subject: Knoppix with java
Message-ID: <200407051631.10691.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

Hi,

Does anyone know of a version of knoppix (or other live CD) that includes a 
full Java SDK?  Knoppix does include javac but it is a very incomplete java 
implementation (based on gcc version of java I believe).

Sun's SDK would be preferred but if there are other complete java 
implementations that would be fine also.

Any ideas?
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From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 21:16:38 2004
From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 17:16:38 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
In-Reply-To: <1089056347.1047.60.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089056347.1047.60.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040705211638.GB15266@lupus.perlwolf.com>

It'll be a matter of setting a line or two in your
~/.muttrc file.  A read of "man muttrc" should find the
right setting.

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 03:39:07PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> 
> I usually use Evolution on my desktop box to read mail via imap,
> however, I've found that it's a really good idea to have a text-based
> reader.  I've heard good things about mutt so I thought I'd give it a
> try.
> 
> I've installed it no problem, and it finds my maildir (~/Maildir)
> perfectly, but then it asks if I want to create an mbox.  Later, it asks
> if I want to move any read messages there.  I always have to answer no
> to both so that courier imap can still find the messages.
> 
> How do I configure mutt to just stay within the Maildir?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kareem
> 
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From bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 21:08:05 2004
From: bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Grecko)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:08:05 -0600
Subject: Gateway AntiVirus Protection
Message-ID: <40E9C335.6060307@telus.net>

Hey all,
I'm doing a science project on protecting a network with a windows
gateway, and one of the things I am trying to do is to have the gateway
intercept all HTTP requests, download the content requested, run a virus
scanner over it, and then if its clean, passing it on to the client, or,
if it contains a virus, passing a different page onto the client.
Is there a program that will do this, or something close enough to this
that a person with little programming knowledge could hack the program
to do this?
Thanks!
Grecko



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From bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 21:17:04 2004
From: bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Grecko)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 15:17:04 -0600
Subject: Gateway Antivirus Protection
Message-ID: <40E9C550.9010705@telus.net>

Hey,
In my last email, I put in "windows gateway" for some reason.... It 
should read "linux gateway".
Thanks!

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 22:34:28 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:34:28 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
In-Reply-To: <20040705211638.GB15266-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089056347.1047.60.camel@localhost>
	 <20040705211638.GB15266@lupus.perlwolf.com>
Message-ID: <1089066867.1053.63.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:16, John Macdonald wrote:
> It'll be a matter of setting a line or two in your
> ~/.muttrc file.  A read of "man muttrc" should find the
> right setting.

Yea, RTFM would probably be a really good start here, but mutt being the
very feature-rich beast that it is (please pardon the pun) the man pages
are rather long.  I was hoping that someone would be able to help me
with an easy answer before I dive into the innards of muttrc.

Kareem

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 22:41:25 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:41:25 -0400
Subject: Knoppix with java
In-Reply-To: <200407051631.10691.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407051631.10691.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <1089067285.1049.71.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 16:31, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know of a version of knoppix (or other live CD) that includes a 
> full Java SDK?  Knoppix does include javac but it is a very incomplete java 
> implementation (based on gcc version of java I believe).
> 
> Sun's SDK would be preferred but if there are other complete java 
> implementations that would be fine also.
> 
> Any ideas?

I have a feeling the license on Sun's SDK might make it less likely
(though not impossible) to find it on a pre-built live CD.  That said,
I'd like to build my own version of knoppix that includes tetex, ispell,
and a number of other goodies.  I'm thinking I might try something along
the lines of what's in the following howto to roll my own:



I'll let you know if I have any success.


Kareem

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From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 22:58:04 2004
From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:58:04 -0400
Subject: understanding iptables logging
Message-ID: <200407051858.05314.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca>

i have a series of lines in /var/log/messages looking like this:

Jul  5 18:53:26 fightclub kernel: [DROPPED (IN-eth0)]: IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=00:30:bd:1c:e0:a7:00:05:00:e3:ec:d6:08:00 SRC=220.168.36.17 DST= 
LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=106 ID=5656 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3770 DPT=9898 
WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

and it's kinda hard to google for "iptables df" so i was hoping someone here 
could explain just what all of the above abbreviations are.  here's what i've 
got so far:

IN - incoming interface
OUT - outgoing interface
MAC - mac address of my nic
SRC - the guy sending the packet
DST - my ip
LEN - ? length ?
TOS - ?
PREC - ?
TTL - ? time to live?
ID - ?
DF - ?
PROTO - protocol
SPT - source port
DPT - destination port
WINDOW - ?
RES - ?
SYN - making a connection
URGP - ?

the reason i ask is that i wrote this handy script to parse the log and keep a 
running ticker for me but it keeps gibbling whenever "DF" appears in the 
string.  so (a) i'd like to know what it is, and (b) i'd like to know how to 
write the script to account for this.

here's the script:


#!/bin/bash

tail -f /var/log/messages \
| awk '{
        sub("\\[",    "",   $6);
        sub("IN=",    "i",  $8);
        sub("OUT=",   "o",  $9);
        sub("SRC=",   "ip", $11);
        sub("PROTO=", "p",  $18);
        sub("SPT=",   "sp", $19);
        sub("DPT=",   "dp", $20);
        printf "%s - %s %s %s %s %s %s\n", $6, $8, $9, $11, $18, $19, $20
  }'

thanks for your help ;-)


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From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 23:02:11 2004
From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:02:11 -0400
Subject: Gateway AntiVirus Protection
In-Reply-To: <40E9C335.6060307-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E9C335.6060307@telus.net>
Message-ID: <1089068314.1333.2.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com>

Trend Micro Interscan Viruswall for Linux should do it.

www.antivirus.com

It's commercial software, but I know it'll do mail,ftp,and http no
sweat, and there is a Linux version. 

Other things that pop to mind if I was trying to do it for less $$$ is
maybe doing some trickery with Squid/SquidGuard. I've got SquidGuard
playing nice with some CGI scripts - but not for antivirus use.

- Greg

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:08, Grecko wrote:
> Hey all,
> I'm doing a science project on protecting a network with a windows
> gateway, and one of the things I am trying to do is to have the gateway
> intercept all HTTP requests, download the content requested, run a virus
> scanner over it, and then if its clean, passing it on to the client, or,
> if it contains a virus, passing a different page onto the client.
> Is there a program that will do this, or something close enough to this
> that a person with little programming knowledge could hack the program
> to do this?
> Thanks!
> Grecko
> 
> 
> 
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 23:23:03 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:23:03 -0400
Subject: understanding iptables logging
In-Reply-To: <200407051858.05314.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407051858.05314.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca>
Message-ID: <1089069782.1053.74.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 18:58, daniel wrote:
> i have a series of lines in /var/log/messages looking like this:
> 
> Jul  5 18:53:26 fightclub kernel: [DROPPED (IN-eth0)]: IN=eth0 OUT= 
> MAC=00:30:bd:1c:e0:a7:00:05:00:e3:ec:d6:08:00 SRC=220.168.36.17 DST= 
> LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=106 ID=5656 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3770 DPT=9898 
> WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
> 
> and it's kinda hard to google for "iptables df" so i was hoping someone here 
> could explain just what all of the above abbreviations are.  here's what i've 
> got so far:

The fields are all taken directly from the IP header.  In this case, I'm
guessing DF means that the Don't Fragment bit is set.  Here's a quick
guide to the rest of it:



HPH!

Kareem

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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 23:47:34 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:47:34 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
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On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 06:34:28PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
>On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:16, John Macdonald wrote:
>> It'll be a matter of setting a line or two in your
>> ~/.muttrc file.  A read of "man muttrc" should find the
>> right setting.
>
>Yea, RTFM would probably be a really good start here, but mutt being the
>very feature-rich beast that it is (please pardon the pun) the man pages
>are rather long.  I was hoping that someone would be able to help me
>with an easy answer before I dive into the innards of muttrc.

Mutt will reward your reading.  But, since you are new, start here:

http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.6

Once you are done with that, go here:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2&r=1&s=mutt&q=t

for your future questions.  Good luck.
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul  5 23:52:39 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:52:39 -0400
Subject: trouble deleting files off of a floppy
References: <20040624210234.11765.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> <1088114203.7956.3.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <40DC22BF.7030906@sympatico.ca> <40E61BCB.7070307@onlink.net>  <40E63D9B.8090600@onlink.net> <20040705150936.GO4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <40E9E9C7.3070403@onlink.net>

Lennart Sorensen wrote:

>On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 01:01:15AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
>  
>
>>Robert Brockway wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>Now, all of a sudden it worked. I don't know why. I didn't make any 
>>changes to /etc/fstab. I have found that deleting files off floppies in 
>>this build (rh7.3 w 8.0 upgrade) is flaky.
>>
>>[root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# rm -r /mnt/floppy/*
>>rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/apr2004disbursejournal.xls'? y
>>
>>rm: remove regular file `/mnt/floppy/spmcashflowprojection.xls'? y
>>[root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]# ls -a /mnt/floppy
>>.  ..
>>[root-RMRJWkH6aXE at public.gmane.org chris]#
>>
>>Anyway, thanks for the help. It was educational.
>>    
>>
>
>Well one other posibility is that the write protect detector in the
>drive itself is flaky.  I have seen that happen before, in which case
>it will think a disk is write protected when it isn't, and will give
>flacky results occationally.
>
OK, if the problem persists through different OS installations (and I 
think it has been) I'll replace the drive.

Chris



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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 00:27:12 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 20:27:12 -0400
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
Message-ID: <40E9F1E0.5020102@onlink.net>

I am a day away from installing SuSE Personal 9.1 (epressly for 
multitrack sound recording) and then I came across this warning at 
http://www.madpenguin.org/Article1226.html. This review advises that 
SuSE 9.1 Personal is good for everyone but me:

I am a bit concerned with the multimedia capabilities of this distro 
compared to other multimedia-rich distros like Mandrake Linux. Although 
I admit I'm completely ignorant of the laws governing or prohibiting the 
distribution of a working DVD player in Linux, I do think that there 
/has/ to be a way to make this work. There /is/ software available that 
can play DVD media on Linux, Windows, Mac, etc.. so why isn't there a 
legal way to make this work? Is it regions? If so, isn't there a way to 
make the end user select their region the first time the Xine engine is 
called upon to play a DVD? I'm not a programmer, but it seems this would 
be possible. If this distro was loaded with multimedia capabilities, I 
think it would round it out very well, to the extent that it would be 
worth more than the $29.95 price tag in my opinion.

The bottom line is this: If you are new to Linux and are interested in 
learning just enough to get your feet wet, and don't plan on getting 
under the hood for quite some time, this distribution might be for you. 
The only concern you should have is multimedia support, which SUSE 
 will hopefully address as soon as possible. Other 
than that, this is a very capable desktop that you should find worthy of 
the price tag... and to be absolutely honest with you, a great 
introduction to Linux. There aren't that many distributions I would 
recommend to extremely green Linux users, but SUSE  
is one of them.

Chris

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 00:32:32 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:32:32 -0400
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
In-Reply-To: <40E9F1E0.5020102-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E9F1E0.5020102@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040706003231.GR4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 08:27:12PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I am a day away from installing SuSE Personal 9.1 (epressly for 
> multitrack sound recording) and then I came across this warning at 
> http://www.madpenguin.org/Article1226.html. This review advises that 
> SuSE 9.1 Personal is good for everyone but me:
> 
> I am a bit concerned with the multimedia capabilities of this distro 
> compared to other multimedia-rich distros like Mandrake Linux. Although 
> I admit I'm completely ignorant of the laws governing or prohibiting the 
> distribution of a working DVD player in Linux, I do think that there 
> /has/ to be a way to make this work. There /is/ software available that 
> can play DVD media on Linux, Windows, Mac, etc.. so why isn't there a 
> legal way to make this work? Is it regions? If so, isn't there a way to 
> make the end user select their region the first time the Xine engine is 
> called upon to play a DVD? I'm not a programmer, but it seems this would 
> be possible. If this distro was loaded with multimedia capabilities, I 
> think it would round it out very well, to the extent that it would be 
> worth more than the $29.95 price tag in my opinion.
> 
> The bottom line is this: If you are new to Linux and are interested in 
> learning just enough to get your feet wet, and don't plan on getting 
> under the hood for quite some time, this distribution might be for you. 
> The only concern you should have is multimedia support, which SUSE 
>  will hopefully address as soon as possible. Other 
> than that, this is a very capable desktop that you should find worthy of 
> the price tag... and to be absolutely honest with you, a great 
> introduction to Linux. There aren't that many distributions I would 
> recommend to extremely green Linux users, but SUSE  
> is one of them.

Well the marillat packages for Debian (which are NOT official debian
packages of course) have full DVD playing support and such, along with
all the w32 codecs needed for different video formats.  Makes life easy
for Debian users.

I have no idea if there are people maintaining such a comprehensive
multimedia package collection for other distributions.  I would not
expect any distribution to actually include it since the copyrights and
such are somewhat grey area it seems.

Lennart Sorensen
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 00:49:45 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 05 Jul 2004 20:49:45 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
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References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	<20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
	
	<20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 03:02:56PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > The BIOS documentation for my home system (single CPU Gigabyte P4) states
> > that the BIOS and OS APIC settings must match.  IOW, either APIC is disabled
> > in the BIOS _and_ in the OS or it's enabled in the BIOS _and_ enabled in the
> > OS.
> > 
> > In my experience, APIC can be a big deal for single CPU systems.  For
> > example, the on-board Promise RAID controller (which I use as additional IDE
> > channels) on my home system conflicts with USB unless APIC is enabled in the
> > BIOS and kernel.  Without APIC, I'm unable to use the RAID controller at all.
> 
> If a PCI device can't share an interrupt, the device or its driver is
> broken.

Agreed but knowing that a device or its driver is broken doesn't go very far
towards solving the problem.  Enabling APIC is a viable workaround.

> I have run a system with usb, adaptec 2940uw, pci video card and 3c905
> NIC all on a single IRQ without problems.

I'm sure many of us have.  I'm equally sure many of us have had problems with
such a system.  In an ideal world, we'd all be running Linux on high quality,
reasonably priced hardware.  Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world.
The state of PC hardware is such that even if you take a great deal of care
in picking your components (and I did), you can still run into problems.

> Of course I also don't want to use Promise's proprietary software raid
> ever.

I'm not using their software RAID.  I'm using their on-board RAID controller
as ide2 and ide3, that's all.

You seem to have completely missed the point of my post which was simply to
illustrate that APIC _can_ be useful for single CPU systems.

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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 01:36:36 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:36:36 -0400
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
In-Reply-To: <20040706003231.GR4640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E9F1E0.5020102@onlink.net> <20040706003231.GR4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 08:27:12PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > I am a day away from installing SuSE Personal 9.1 (epressly for
> > multitrack sound recording) and then I came across this warning at
> > http://www.madpenguin.org/Article1226.html. This review advises that
> > SuSE 9.1 Personal is good for everyone but me:
> >

There are a number of websites out there explain why basically all
currently available DVD players in Linux are illegal (or the libraries
they use are illegal), and the reasons behind the [De]CSS debate.

As a quick summary:
Basically, CSS is not an open standard.  It's controlled by the CSS
Consortium.  In order to get access, you must pay a fee (too hefty for
any open source project to afford) to be part of this consortium to get
keys for CSS.  However, any project that pays to get access to the keys
must agree to keep those keys secret, and take extreme measures to protect
those keys.  This is half the reason why there are no "legally" available
linux DVD players.
  The other half is that under the DMCA, it is illegal to break protection
mechanisms.  One side of the argument is that linux DVD player projects
break it for inter-operability, which should be legal.  The CSS consortium
argues that breaking CSS is for the purpose of piracy.


Now, if you believe that you have a personal right to play DVDs, there are
several programs you can get to play DVDs in GNU/Linux.  I personally use
MPlayer.  There is a brief article on LinuxJournal about other options
here:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5644

MPlayer is very easy to build from source, so I imagine that binary
packages for any of those players should be really easy to install and
run.


-Jing
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 01:45:33 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:45:33 -0400
Subject: what "Hostname" for FC2 install?
Message-ID: <40EA043D.9010102@onlink.net>

I am installing FC2 (biding my time waiting for SuSE 9.1 Personal in the 
mail). I know the IP address and mask that I am choosing are fine and 
will work with my second PC. However, I don't know what to put for 
"Hostname" so that it will be OK communicating with my second PC.

The FC2 installer gives the example, "host.domain.com". That threw me 
for a loop because I thought that "hostname" is just one word -- say, 
p733, and the fqdn would be something like p733.domain.xxx.   Here is 
the /etc/hosts of my second PC:

# Do not remove the following line, or various programs
# that require network functionality will fail.
127.0.0.1       a800    localhost.localdomain   localhost
192.168.0.2     p733    p733.local

[Did I just give this whole list access to my computer?!]

Based on that hosts file (if it is not too wierd), what would a good 
choice be for what FC2 is calling "Hostname" computer? I wanted what I 
*thought* was called "Hostname" to be "p733". The network configuration 
of the second PC does work because I've moved files across the network 
to it via scp -r.


Chris


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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 01:50:30 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:50:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Jing Su wrote:
> Basically, CSS is not an open standard.  It's controlled by the CSS
> Consortium.  In order to get access, you must pay a fee (too hefty for
> any open source project to afford) to be part of this consortium to get
> keys for CSS.  However, any project that pays to get access to the keys
> must agree to keep those keys secret, and take extreme measures to protect
> those keys.  This is half the reason why there are no "legally" available
> linux DVD players.

Note that nothing in this restricts reverse engineering to obtain the
information.  The CSS Consortium has no power over people who don't have a
contractual relationship with it.  Trade secrets are not like patents;
independent development of the information isn't a violation.  And once
the secret is out, it's out.

>   The other half is that under the DMCA, it is illegal to break protection
> mechanisms...

Now *this* is a real legal issue... in the US, and only in the US.  Alas,
SuSE probably doesn't want to build separate US and non-US distributions
(at least, not English-language ones).

                                                          Henry Spencer
                                                       henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 02:42:42 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:42:42 -0400
Subject: what "Hostname" for FC2 install?
References: <40EA043D.9010102@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40EA11A2.8060206@onlink.net>

Chris Aitken wrote:

> 

> Based on that hosts file (if it is not too wierd), what would a good 
> choice be for what FC2 is calling "Hostname" computer? I wanted what I 
> *thought* was called "Hostname" to be "p733". The network 
> configuration of the second PC does work because I've moved files 
> across the network to it via scp -r. 

To further confuse, the FC installer margin notes use "fqhn" (sic) and 
"hostname" interchangeably. I thought that hostname + domain name = 
fqdn. Is redhat making up their own terminology?

Chris

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From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 02:57:29 2004
From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:57:29 -0400
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
In-Reply-To: <40E9F1E0.5020102-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <1089082649.721.1.camel@linux.site>

Go here  http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=index

Everything you will need and loads more. SuSe rpms and nothing else.

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 20:27, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I am a day away from installing SuSE Personal 9.1 (epressly for 
> multitrack sound recording) and then I came across this warning at 
> http://www.madpenguin.org/Article1226.html. This review advises that 
> SuSE 9.1 Personal is good for everyone but me:
> 
> I am a bit concerned with the multimedia capabilities of this distro 
> compared to other multimedia-rich distros like Mandrake Linux. Although 
> I admit I'm completely ignorant of the laws governing or prohibiting the 
> distribution of a working DVD player in Linux, I do think that there 
> /has/ to be a way to make this work. There /is/ software available that 
> can play DVD media on Linux, Windows, Mac, etc.. so why isn't there a 
> legal way to make this work? Is it regions? If so, isn't there a way to 
> make the end user select their region the first time the Xine engine is 
> called upon to play a DVD? I'm not a programmer, but it seems this would 
> be possible. If this distro was loaded with multimedia capabilities, I 
> think it would round it out very well, to the extent that it would be 
> worth more than the $29.95 price tag in my opinion.
> 
> The bottom line is this: If you are new to Linux and are interested in 
> learning just enough to get your feet wet, and don't plan on getting 
> under the hood for quite some time, this distribution might be for you. 
> The only concern you should have is multimedia support, which SUSE 
>  will hopefully address as soon as possible. Other 
> than that, this is a very capable desktop that you should find worthy of 
> the price tag... and to be absolutely honest with you, a great 
> introduction to Linux. There aren't that many distributions I would 
> recommend to extremely green Linux users, but SUSE  
> is one of them.
> 
> Chris
> 
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 03:24:12 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:24:12 -0400
Subject: what "Hostname" for FC2 install?
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Message-ID: <40EA1B5C.3040901@truxtar.com>

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Chris,

I hope this answers your question:

Chris Aitken wrote:
> I am installing FC2 (biding my time waiting for SuSE 9.1 Personal in the
> mail). I know the IP address and mask that I am choosing are fine and
> will work with my second PC. However, I don't know what to put for
> "Hostname" so that it will be OK communicating with my second PC.
Computers communicate by IP addresses, so the hostname should not really
matter. Read below..
>
> The FC2 installer gives the example, "host.domain.com". That threw me
> for a loop because I thought that "hostname" is just one word -- say,
> p733, and the fqdn would be something like p733.domain.xxx.
I have noticed that programs such as mail/web servers use the 'hostname'
as the default for certain variables and on error pages. The SSH server,
for example, may have a default message presented at logon that would
include the hostname. Or it would record a log message like "last login
from p733"

However, I am sure that it is configurable through the servers'
configuration files.

Otherwise I don't think it has to be an fqdn. It's probably used for
convenience on computers were it makes sense (mail/news servers open to
the net).

> Here is
> the /etc/hosts of my second PC:
>
> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs
> # that require network functionality will fail.
> 127.0.0.1       a800    localhost.localdomain   localhost
> 192.168.0.2     p733    p733.local
I would presume that 192.168.0.2 is the local IP assigned to the
computer you are trying to set up. In that case, the hostname should be
'p733', so that you could use 'p733' instead of '192.168.0.2'. Of course
you could make up any other name and just edit the /etc/hosts file to
reflect the new name. The name is just an alias, and can be anything.
(The exception is 'localhost' as noted above, because many programs have
that hardcoded, but that should be the same on every computer.)

> [Did I just give this whole list access to my computer?!]
no.

>
> Based on that hosts file (if it is not too wierd), what would a good
> choice be for what FC2 is calling "Hostname" computer? I wanted what I
> *thought* was called "Hostname" to be "p733". The network configuration
> of the second PC does work because I've moved files across the network
> to it via scp -r.

As far as I understand, any name will work as long as the /etc/hosts
files match. Of course you can always use the IP address directly.
However, if you used the name 'p733' in scripts or other programs, you
may want to keep it just to make things easier.

>
> Chris
>

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 03:34:31 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:34:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Knoppix with java
In-Reply-To: <1089067285.1049.71.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407051631.10691.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
 <1089067285.1049.71.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> 
>
> I'll let you know if I have any success.

You may also wish to look at "Morphix" which is designed from the ground
up to be customisable.  It is based on Knoppix.

http://www.morphix.org.

Rob

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 03:41:52 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:41:52 -0400
Subject: what "Hostname" for FC2 install?
In-Reply-To: <40EA11A2.8060206-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40EA043D.9010102@onlink.net>  <40EA11A2.8060206@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <1089085312.12191.53.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 22:42, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Chris Aitken wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Based on that hosts file (if it is not too wierd), what would a good 
> > choice be for what FC2 is calling "Hostname" computer? I wanted what I 
> > *thought* was called "Hostname" to be "p733". The network 
> > configuration of the second PC does work because I've moved files 
> > across the network to it via scp -r. 
> 
> To further confuse, the FC installer margin notes use "fqhn" (sic) and 
> "hostname" interchangeably. I thought that hostname + domain name = 
> fqdn. Is redhat making up their own terminology?

Not really, they're, just being a bit sloppy with dumbing down the
terminology.  fghn is either a typo (likely) or someone decided "fully
qualified host name" was better (possible, but not as likely).

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 03:48:24 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:48:24 -0400
Subject: SuSE 9.1 Personal not good for multimedia?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1089085703.12191.59.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 21:50, Henry Spencer wrote:
> Note that nothing in this restricts reverse engineering to obtain the
> information.

Except the DMCA style legislation in other countries (i.e. Australia is
pretty bad if I recall).

> >   The other half is that under the DMCA, it is illegal to break protection
> > mechanisms...
> 
> Now *this* is a real legal issue... in the US, and only in the US.

Real legal issue: yes.  Only in the US: not really.  The US govt is
working hard at requiring trade partners to enact DMCA type legislation
to protect the (lucrative) US copyright industries.  Many smaller (and
some larger) countries have, at least formally, consented though many
lack the interest and/or ability to enforce it.

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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 10:13:57 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:13:57 +0800
Subject: OT: Hardware RAID on linux
Message-ID: <200407061813.57377.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

Hi,

	I have a IBM box with 6 slots for hot swap disk. I did 3 RAID 1 on those 
disks. pair 1-2, pair 3-4 and pair 5-6. Just incase disk 2 fails do I have to 
mkfs on the newly bought disk? or do I just insert the disk and all things 
follow? and Is it possible to upgrade the disk space for pair 5-6? if disk 5 
and 6 are 32 G each.. and Ill be replacing disk 6 with 100G disk.. Ill assume 
that data will be copied on disk 6.. after it ill be replacing disk 5 with 
100G.. with this do the trick?

TIA

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 12:36:08 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:36:08 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
In-Reply-To: <1089066867.1053.63.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089056347.1047.60.camel@localhost> <20040705211638.GB15266@lupus.perlwolf.com> <1089066867.1053.63.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407060836.08655.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 5, 2004 06:34 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:16, John Macdonald wrote:
> > It'll be a matter of setting a line or two in your
> > ~/.muttrc file.  A read of "man muttrc" should find the
> > right setting.
>
> Yea, RTFM would probably be a really good start here, but mutt being the
> very feature-rich beast that it is (please pardon the pun) the man pages
> are rather long.  I was hoping that someone would be able to help me
> with an easy answer before I dive into the innards of muttrc.

Read about mbox_type and spoolfile in the manpage already mentioned ... though 
I don't recall if those two settings are strictly enough.  Searching the 
manpage for all references to maildir is another obvious approach.

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From f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 13:05:03 2004
From: f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andy Jack)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:05:03 -0400
Subject: Stupid Mutt Question
In-Reply-To: <200407060836.08655.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089056347.1047.60.camel@localhost> <20040705211638.GB15266@lupus.perlwolf.com> <1089066867.1053.63.camel@localhost> <200407060836.08655.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <20040706130503.GJ3319@seahorse>

Relevant lines in my .muttrc:

set mbox_type=Maildir
set folder={beluga}INBOX.
set spoolfile={beluga}
set record==Sent-Mail
unset mbox

"set mbox_type" is probably obvious.  "set folder" sets the default
folder (e.g., opened when mutt starts or you change to the "!" folder).
"beluga" is the name of my imap server, so the default folder in this
case is set to INBOX. (the dot is important, and I'm running courier
imapd).  "set spoolfile" sets the folder that is referenced by the "="
shortcut; "set record" sets the default folder to which newly composed
messages are saved, so it's really {beluga}Sent-Mail.  "unset mbox" is
possibly redundant to "set mbox_type=Maildir", but it ensures that mutt
won't try to write an mbox.  Note that I have not specified any local
mail storage, all my mail stays on the courier imap server.  I find this
easier because then access to all my mail is tied to the server and not
the client I'm using; I could read email with mutt on one machine,
Mozilla mail on a second, &c.

Hth,
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From bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 17:07:49 2004
From: bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Grecko)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:07:49 -0600
Subject: Gateway Ad/Spy/Malware and Trojan Protection
Message-ID: <40EADC65.7050609@telus.net>

Hey all,
Is there a program for linux that can remove windows ad/spy/malware and
trojans from mounted samba shares? It would be a wonderful addition to
the gateway :)
Thanks!



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From bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 17:35:38 2004
From: bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Grecko)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:35:38 -0600
Subject: Gateway AntiVirus Protection / Gateway Spam/Ad/Malware and Trojan
 Protection -- Correction
Message-ID: <40EAE2EA.3050300@telus.net>

Hey all,
In the first email I sent out, I accidentally put in windows gateway 
when I meant windows network protected by a linux gateway.
FreeBSD is actually the OS I will be using on the gateway, but the linux 
base package will be installed, so all linux software will work on it.
Sorry for the confusion :)
Thanks!
Grecko

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 20:37:01 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:37:01 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost> <20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>  <20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> 
Message-ID: <20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 08:49:45PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> Agreed but knowing that a device or its driver is broken doesn't go very far
> towards solving the problem.  Enabling APIC is a viable workaround.

I wonder if it is a hardware problem, or just a driver problem (if it is
driver, I wonder if there is a fix).

> I'm sure many of us have.  I'm equally sure many of us have had problems with
> such a system.  In an ideal world, we'd all be running Linux on high quality,
> reasonably priced hardware.  Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world.
> The state of PC hardware is such that even if you take a great deal of care
> in picking your components (and I did), you can still run into problems.

I must have been lucky when picking hardware then.  For me it just
works.

> I'm not using their software RAID.  I'm using their on-board RAID controller
> as ide2 and ide3, that's all.

So it is simply another ide controller then.  No point calling it
onboard raid then.  I am surprised that doesn't just work, given I have
worked with many promise ide controllers without any problems (both with
and without apic).

> You seem to have completely missed the point of my post which was simply to
> illustrate that APIC _can_ be useful for single CPU systems.

Well it can if you have defective hardware/drivers that need help for
fixing the irq sharing problem which should never have existed.  on
multi cpu systems it is used to help router irqs to multiple cpus nicely
(wheere it makes sense).  It also introduces a bit more lag into the
handling of cpus than not using the APIC (which I suspect is why it
causes sound choppiness on under XP on this and similar boards).

If turning on the apic fixes it, well lucky for you.  The apic handling
has often been broken on many systems, so it often causes more grief
than it fixes.  I almost suspect Linux has turned it on on this machine
even though it is off in the Bios, although it's still working just
fine.  I seem to have interrupts higher than 15 so I suspect some apic
is enabled.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 20:39:17 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:39:17 -0400
Subject: OT: Hardware RAID on linux
In-Reply-To: <200407061813.57377.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407061813.57377.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
Message-ID: <20040706203917.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 06:13:57PM +0800, JM wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>	I have a IBM box with 6 slots for hot swap disk. I did 3 RAID
> 1 on those
> disks. pair 1-2, pair 3-4 and pair 5-6. Just incase disk 2 fails do I have to 
> mkfs on the newly bought disk? or do I just insert the disk and all things 
> follow? and Is it possible to upgrade the disk space for pair 5-6? if disk 5 
> and 6 are 32 G each.. and Ill be replacing disk 6 with 100G disk.. Ill assume 
> that data will be copied on disk 6.. after it ill be replacing disk 5 with 
> 100G.. with this do the trick?

Which raid controller is running the drives?

I know IBM serveraid cards will simply start a rebuild as soon as they
see a new drive replacing a dead one.  The user sees nothing unusual.

mkfs is a higher level, which doesn't apply to raid which is lower level
(beneath the block device).

Lennart Sorensen
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 23:03:21 2004
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:03:21 -0400
Subject: Gateway Ad/Spy/Malware and Trojan Protection
References: <40EADC65.7050609@telus.net>
Message-ID: <00a101c463ad$6ef8aee0$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

"Grecko"  on Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:07 PM

> Hey all,
> Is there a program for linux that can remove windows ad/spy/malware and
> trojans from mounted samba shares? It would be a wonderful addition to
> the gateway :)
> Thanks!

At least in part, yes. Grisoft offers an anti-virus program for Linux file
servers, for details have a look at:

http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_avg_fse.php

I have not used the above package, so I don't know how good/bad it is, but
at least there is one place you can start looking for answers.

Colin McGregor

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 23:44:22 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org)
Date: 6 Jul 2004 23:44:22 -0000
Subject: FC2 does not like ppp0
Message-ID: <20040706234422.20044.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net>

I have a fresh install of FC2. I created a dial-up connectrion through neat. Neat reporsts it as 'ppp0' as expected. However, I have to open neat every time just to dial my ISP. I would rather do this with /sbin/ifup ppp0 but it won't have any of this:

[chris at p733 chris]$ /sbin/ifdown ppp0
usage: ifdown 
[chris at p733 chris]$ 

I looked for the path to 'ppp0' and found these:

[root at p733 chris]# find / -name ppp0
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ppp0
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/ppp0
/sys/class/net/ppp0
[root at p733 chris]#

So, I tried one:

[chris at p733 chris]$ /sbin/ifdown /sys/class/net/ppp0
usage: ifdown 
[chris at p733 chris]$

Still no luck.

Again, the 'device name' is reported by neat as 'ppp0'. however, the command line does not seem to like 'ppp0'. And, yes, that is a zero, not an 'O'.

So, I have a workaround -- to use neat. However, I would rather do this from a command line.

Chris







From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 23:53:50 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org)
Date: 6 Jul 2004 23:53:50 -0000
Subject: FC2 does not like ppp0
Message-ID: <20040706235350.21741.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net>

Sorry -- my examples were all of ifdown. ifup is not recognizing the devices either:

[chris at p733 chris]$ /sbin/ifup /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/ppp0
/sbin/ifup: configuration for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/ppp0 not found.
Usage: ifup 
[chris at p733 chris]$ /sbin/ifup /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ppp0
/sbin/ifup: configuration for /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ppp0 not found.
Usage: ifup 
[chris at p733 chris]$ /sbin/ifup /sys/class/net/ppp0
/sbin/ifup: configuration for /sys/class/net/ppp0 not found.
Usage: ifup 
[chris at p733 chris]$



>I have a fresh install of FC2. I created a dial-up connectrion through neat. Neat reports it as 'ppp0' as expected. However, I have to open neat every time just to dial my ISP. I would rather do this with /sbin/ifup ppp0 but it won't have any of this:



Chris

From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 13:48:04 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:48:04 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
Message-ID: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>

System: FC2 on Compaq Deskpro EN (p733) 48X CD-ROM, backpack CD-RW, SBL!
5.1, 20 GB hda, 10 GB hdb, USR V.92 56K external modem

I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:

Error. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
or too many mounted file systems.

Here are my "too many mounted file systems" (incl. CD-ROM) as reported
in /etc/fstab:

LABEL=/1                /                       ext3    defaults       
1 1
LABEL=/boot1            /boot                   ext3    defaults       
1 2
LABEL=/data1            /data                   ext3    defaults       
1 2
none                    /dev/pts                devpts  gid=5,mode=620 
0 0
none                    /dev/shm                tmpfs   defaults       
0 0
LABEL=/home1            /home                   ext3    defaults       
1 2
LABEL=/lnxdatabkup1     /lnxdatabkup            ext3    defaults       
1 2
none                    /proc                   proc    defaults       
0 0
none                    /sys                    sysfs   defaults       
0 0
LABEL=/usr1             /usr                    ext3    defaults       
1 2
/dev/hda8               swap                    swap    defaults       
0 0
/dev/cdrom              /mnt/cdrom              udf,iso9660
noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
/dev/fd0                /mnt/floppy             auto   
noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0

FC2 hardware browser reports the CD-ROM as "CDD-1480   Manufacturer:
Unknown   Driver: none or built-in   Device: /dev/hdc".

I've tried this with several working audio CDs and get the same msg each
time.

Any ideas?

Chris



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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 13:54:15 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:54:15 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089208083.2436.10.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <20040707135415.GK28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 09:48:04AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:

You don't mount audio CDs.  They have no filesystem.

Just play them with xmms, cdplay, KsCD, or whatever.  :)

(or rip them with cdrdao, cdda, cdparanoia, grip, etc)

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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 13:54:04 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:54:04 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089208083.2436.10.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> From: Chris Aitken 
> Subject: [TLUG]: audio CDs won't mount or play
>
> I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:
>
> Error. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
> or too many mounted file systems.

You don't actually mount audio CDs.
In my gnome setup, if you just put the CD in, don't mount it, and double
click on the drive, it'll show you all the audio tracks.

You can play audio CDs via XMMS as well.  Right click on the "open"
button, and pick "Play Location", and type in "/dev/cdrom", it'll start
playing the audio CD.


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:18:17 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:18:17 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:48, Chris Aitken wrote:
> System: FC2 on Compaq Deskpro EN (p733) 48X CD-ROM, backpack CD-RW, SBL!
> 5.1, 20 GB hda, 10 GB hdb, USR V.92 56K external modem
> 
> I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:

The only sound I get is when I hit the 'Play test sound' button in
System Settings > Soundcard detection. Both the SBL! and Intel onboard
play the test sound -- interesting that the Intel onboard would play
since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
(?!).



Chris

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:28:29 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:28:29 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:18, Chris Aitken wrote:
> The only sound I get is when I hit the 'Play test sound' button in
> System Settings > Soundcard detection. Both the SBL! and Intel onboard
> play the test sound -- interesting that the Intel onboard would play
> since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
> (?!).

I've often noticed that "disabling" things in the bios has little or not
effect, other than breaking windows.  I guess it's hard these days to
get a MoBo that doesn't have all kinds of crap built in, but if you
don't intend on using the "features", that's a better route.

Do an "lsmod" and look for what drivers are loaded.  If you see anything
along the lines of snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio, then yes the driver is
loaded.

Kareem

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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:28:56 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:28:56 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089210119.2403.8.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733> <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
Message-ID: 

> The only sound I get is when I hit the 'Play test sound' button in
> System Settings > Soundcard detection. Both the SBL! and Intel onboard
> play the test sound -- interesting that the Intel onboard would play
> since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
> (?!).

the 'Play test sound' button plays digital audio data through the
sound-card's processor.  Audio CD should have its sound pass through the
sound-card without needing any processing.

Do you have XMMS installed?  Are you able to play WAV or MP3 files?

>From the command line, try running:
cdp

cdp is a pretty common command-line CD-playing program.  If you have it,
it should start playing tracks off your audio-cd.  Hopefully this will at
least give a hint as to whether or not everything is configured right and
working.


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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:29:39 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:29:39 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089210119.2403.8.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733> <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <20040707152939.GL28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 11:18:17AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:48, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > System: FC2 on Compaq Deskpro EN (p733) 48X CD-ROM, backpack CD-RW, SBL!
> > 5.1, 20 GB hda, 10 GB hdb, USR V.92 56K external modem
> > 
> > I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:
> 
> The only sound I get is when I hit the 'Play test sound' button in
> System Settings > Soundcard detection. Both the SBL! and Intel onboard
> play the test sound -- interesting that the Intel onboard would play
> since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
> (?!).

Perhaps it does!

Have you tried the programs suggested?  In xmms you can tell xmms to use
digital audio extraction, which (if it works at all) will play the sound
through the same PCM subsystem as the test sounds under System Settings.
If you can't play through regular CD audio, check in your mixer to ensure
that that channel is not muted, and check that you actually have an audio
cable going from the CDROM dirve to the soundcard.

NB: your backpack CD-RW probably won't have an audio cable; you can use
DAE if it works, otherwise use headphones or your 48x CDROM.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:28:00 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:28:00 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
	 
Message-ID: <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:54, Jing Su wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > From: Chris Aitken 
> > Subject: [TLUG]: audio CDs won't mount or play
> >
> > I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:
> >
> > Error. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
> > or too many mounted file systems.
> 
> You don't actually mount audio CDs.

The CDs look like they are playing -- the status slider of CD Player is
moving across as if it is playing -- but no sound is coming out of the
speakers. Analog sound cable is hooked from the CD-ROM drive to the SBL!
soundcard. Wires from the Speaker Out on the SBL! card to the speakers
are OK as I can play the 'Play test sound' in System Settings >
Soundcard Detection, yet Sound Events seem to play (buttons are not
greyed out) but, again, no sound comes out of the speakers.

Why would 'Play test sound' work but nothing else?

Chris



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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:31:55 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:31:55 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089214108.1036.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:28, Kareem Shehata wrote:



> I've often noticed that "disabling" things in the bios has little or not
> effect, other than breaking windows.  I guess it's hard these days to
> get a MoBo that doesn't have all kinds of crap built in, but if you
> don't intend on using the "features", that's a better route.
> 
> Do an "lsmod" and look for what drivers are loaded.  If you see anything
> along the lines of snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio, then yes the driver is
> loaded.

Yeah, it's there alright:

snd_pcm_oss            40740  0
snd_intel8x0           26280  1
gameport                3328  1 snd_intel8x0
snd_mpu401_uart         4864  1 snd_intel8x0
snd_mixer_oss          13824  3 snd_pcm_oss
snd_emu10k1            71172  3
snd_rawmidi            17184  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_emu10k1
snd_pcm                68872  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1
snd_timer              17156  1 snd_pcm
snd_seq_device          6152  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
snd_ac97_codec         50436  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1
snd_page_alloc          7940  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
snd_util_mem            3200  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_hwdep               6276  1 snd_emu10k1
snd                    38372  16
snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_mixer_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep
soundcore               6112  3 snd

Chris

> Kareem

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From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:37:34 2004
From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:37:34 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
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Did you check the mixer to make sure CD audio isn't muted?

Jeremy Baker

On July 7, 2004 11:28 am, Chris Aitken wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:54, Jing Su wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > > From: Chris Aitken 
> > > Subject: [TLUG]: audio CDs won't mount or play
> > >
> > > I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:
> > >
> > > Error. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
> > > or too many mounted file systems.
> >
> > You don't actually mount audio CDs.
>
> The CDs look like they are playing -- the status slider of CD Player is
> moving across as if it is playing -- but no sound is coming out of the
> speakers. Analog sound cable is hooked from the CD-ROM drive to the SBL!
> soundcard. Wires from the Speaker Out on the SBL! card to the speakers
> are OK as I can play the 'Play test sound' in System Settings >
> Soundcard Detection, yet Sound Events seem to play (buttons are not
> greyed out) but, again, no sound comes out of the speakers.
>
> Why would 'Play test sound' work but nothing else?
>
> Chris
>
> 
>
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:37:23 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:37:23 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't play
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733> <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
	 
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:28, Jing Su wrote:



> Do you have XMMS installed? 

[chris-J1OC1CCqXXQ at public.gmane.org chris]$ rpm -q xmms
xmms-1.2.10-2.p
[chris-J1OC1CCqXXQ at public.gmane.org chris]$

>  Are you able to play WAV or MP3 files?

I don't know. I'll do a 'find' or a 'locate' for .wav and .mp3 files and
then try to play them in xmms (?).

> >From the command line, try running:
> cdp

cdp seems to be playing the first track -- but no sound is coming out of
the speakers.

> cdp is a pretty common command-line CD-playing program. 

The one I have is a menu program. 

>  If you have it,
> it should start playing tracks off your audio-cd. 

It looks like it is -- just no sound out of the speakers.



Chris

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From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:44:15 2004
From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:44:15 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't play
Message-ID: <20040707154415.LWMM407524.web01-imail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost>


> 
> From: Chris Aitken 
> Date: 2004/07/07 Wed AM 11:37:23 EDT
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: [TLUG]: audio CDs won't play
> 
> On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:28, Jing Su wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Do you have XMMS installed? 
> 
> [chris-J1OC1CCqXXQ at public.gmane.org chris]$ rpm -q xmms
> xmms-1.2.10-2.p
> [chris-J1OC1CCqXXQ at public.gmane.org chris]$
> 
> >  Are you able to play WAV or MP3 files?
> 
> I don't know. I'll do a 'find' or a 'locate' for .wav and .mp3 files and
> then try to play them in xmms (?).
> 
> > >From the command line, try running:
> > cdp
> 
> cdp seems to be playing the first track -- but no sound is coming out of
> the speakers.
> 
> > cdp is a pretty common command-line CD-playing program. 
> 
> The one I have is a menu program. 
> 
> >  If you have it,
> > it should start playing tracks off your audio-cd. 
> 
> It looks like it is -- just no sound out of the speakers.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 

Sorry, I haven't followed this one until this particular note, so what I'm about to say has likely already been posted (if so, accept my apologies ahead of time)...  but, have you made sure that the cd-rom is connected to the sound card via the little internal audio cable?

Cheers,
-Matt

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:47:54 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:47:54 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <200407071137.38827.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:37, Jeremy Baker wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> Did you check the mixer to make sure CD audio isn't muted?

Yeah, everything is up in GNOME Volume Control for the SBL! (ALSA
Mixer).

Chris

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:49:04 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:49:04 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:29, Taavi Burns wrote:



> > since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
> > (?!).
> 
> Perhaps it does!
> 
> Have you tried the programs suggested? 

cdp seems to be playing the tracks -- but no sound is coming out of the
speakers.

Chris

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:51:49 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:51:49 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089214314.3357.9.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
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Message-ID: <1089215509.1045.26.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:31, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Yeah, it's there alright:
> 
> snd_pcm_oss            40740  0
> snd_intel8x0           26280  1
> gameport                3328  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_mpu401_uart         4864  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_mixer_oss          13824  3 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_emu10k1            71172  3
> snd_rawmidi            17184  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_emu10k1
> snd_pcm                68872  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1
> snd_timer              17156  1 snd_pcm
> snd_seq_device          6152  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
> snd_ac97_codec         50436  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1
> snd_page_alloc          7940  3 snd_intel8x0,snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
> snd_util_mem            3200  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd_hwdep               6276  1 snd_emu10k1
> snd                    38372  16
> snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_mixer_oss,snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep
> soundcore               6112  3 snd
> 
> Chris

With ALSA running both cards, it's not a total surpise that the sound
comes through both.  IIRC this can be customized in asoundrc.  So, now I
guess you can have 5.1 sound + 2 channels in another room!  :)

Kareem

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:50:32 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:50:32 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't play
In-Reply-To: <20040707154415.LWMM407524.web01-imail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:44, Matthew Godycki wrote:



> Sorry, I haven't followed this one until this particular note, so what I'm about to say has likely already been posted (if so, accept my apologies ahead of time)...  but, have you made sure that the cd-rom is connected to the sound card via the little internal audio cable?

Yes.

Chris



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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:52:56 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:52:56 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089215274.3357.25.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
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Message-ID: <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:47, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Yeah, everything is up in GNOME Volume Control for the SBL! (ALSA
> Mixer).
> 
> Chris

Okay, perhaps this is a dumb question, but with both cards running in
ALSA, which card was the gnome VC working with?

Kareem

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:55:02 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:55:02 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
	 
Message-ID: <1089215701.3357.34.camel@p733>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:54, Jing Su wrote:



> You can play audio CDs via XMMS as well.  Right click on the "open"
> button, and pick "Play Location", and type in "/dev/cdrom", it'll start
> playing the audio CD.

I did that and the 'Enter location to play:' box just closes taking me
back to the (tiny) xmms interface - no sound -- no status bar moving to
indicate that xmms is even trying to play the CD.

Chris



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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 15:58:12 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:58:12 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089215576.1036.28.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
	  <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>
	 <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca>  <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733>
	 <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:52, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:47, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > Yeah, everything is up in GNOME Volume Control for the SBL! (ALSA
> > Mixer).
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> Okay, perhaps this is a dumb question, but with both cards running in
> ALSA, which card was the gnome VC working with?

Well...both. That's why I "disabled" the Intel onboard in the BIOS --
but FC2 would have none of it.

Chris

> Kareem

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 16:01:04 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:01:04 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089215509.1045.26.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
	 <1089214108.1036.22.camel@localhost>  <1089214314.3357.9.camel@p733>
	 <1089215509.1045.26.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1089216063.3357.40.camel@p733>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:51, Kareem Shehata wrote:



> With ALSA running both cards, it's not a total surpise that the sound
> comes through both.  IIRC this can be customized in asoundrc.  So, now I
> guess you can have 5.1 sound + 2 channels in another room!  :)

I'd rather have one *working* card than two that will give me some
esoteric feature. ; )

> Kareem

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 16:08:01 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:08:01 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089216063.3357.40.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
	 <1089214108.1036.22.camel@localhost>  <1089214314.3357.9.camel@p733>
	 <1089215509.1045.26.camel@localhost>  <1089216063.3357.40.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <1089216481.1036.32.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 12:01, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I'd rather have one *working* card than two that will give me some
> esoteric feature. ; )

I'm not sure how it works in Fedora, but in Debian I edit
/etc/modutils/alsa to specify what drivers I want to load.  If there
isn't a nicer GUI control, then you should be able to edit the config
there to remove the intel_8x0 driver.

Kareem

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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 16:09:50 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:09:50 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089215892.3357.37.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  
 <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>  <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca> 
 <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733>  <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost>
 <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Well...both. That's why I "disabled" the Intel onboard in the BIOS --
> but FC2 would have none of it.


Out of curiosity, could I get a dump of your /etc/modprobe.conf file?

I suppose it's possible with two sound cards it's getting confused somehow
and trying to look for Audio CD on the wrong card.  You can disable the
Intel card by preventing its module from being loaded.  Hopefully this can
help narrow down the list of possible problems.

-jing

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 16:10:01 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:10:01 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089215892.3357.37.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
	  <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>
	 <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca>  <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733>
	 <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost>  <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <1089216601.1036.35.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 11:58, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > Okay, perhaps this is a dumb question, but with both cards running in
> > ALSA, which card was the gnome VC working with?
> 
> Well...both. That's why I "disabled" the Intel onboard in the BIOS --
> but FC2 would have none of it.
> 
> Chris

I'd blame the BIOS for not properly disabling hardware.  Fortunately,
ALSA can be configured to not probe that card.

Kareem


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From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul  6 16:04:26 2004
From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:04:26 -0400
Subject: Using Microsoft keyboard hot keys
In-Reply-To: <40E63104.7050301-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E63104.7050301@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <40EACD8A.1030704@ruggedcom.com>

Anton Markov wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a "Microsoft" keyboard (the most basic one, I think), which has a
> set of additional buttons above the function keys - "back", "forward",
> "stop", etc. How can I bind these keys to events in KDE (say shell
> scripts or DCOP calls)? The KDE KHotkeys system does not recognize the
> keys (i.e. when I go to create a new action and press the key to assign
> it, nothing happens). I know some GNOME program works with it, but I was
> looking for a KDE-friendly solution.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
I have had good luck with lineak, it has configs for _many_ keyboards, 
and is has a simple mechanism for configuring the actions for a 
particular key.  It nicely maps the spinwheel on my logitec keyboard to 
volume up/down..

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 16:58:59 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:58:59 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>
	  <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>
	 <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca>  <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733>
	 <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost> <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>
	 
Message-ID: <1089219539.3637.1.camel@p733>

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 12:09, Jing Su wrote:



> Out of curiosity, could I get a dump of your /etc/modprobe.conf file?

alias eth0 e100
alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 &&
/usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
remove snd-emu10k1 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
/sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1
alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0
install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 &&
/usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
/sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0
alias usb-controller uhci-hcd

> I suppose it's possible with two sound cards it's getting confused somehow
> and trying to look for Audio CD on the wrong card.  You can disable the
> Intel card by preventing its module from being loaded.  Hopefully this can
> help narrow down the list of possible problems.

I'm not sure how to disable it. "disabling" in the BIOS was ineffective.

Chris

> -jing
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From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 17:08:07 2004
From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:08:07 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089219539.3637.1.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  
 <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733>  <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca> 
 <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733>  <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost>
 <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>  
 <1089219539.3637.1.camel@p733>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
> From: Chris Aitken 
> > Out of curiosity, could I get a dump of your /etc/modprobe.conf file?
>
> alias eth0 e100
> alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
> install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 &&
> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> remove snd-emu10k1 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1
> alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0
> install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 &&
> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0
> alias usb-controller uhci-hcd


comment out the following lines (by using a hash '#' character in front):
#alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0
#install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 &&
#/usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
#remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
#/sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0


and reboot.  Hopefully that prevents the intel soundcard modules from
being loaded.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 18:00:23 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:00:23 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
In-Reply-To: <1089219539.3637.1.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733>  <1089214080.3357.7.camel@p733> <200407071137.38827.jab@muskokatech.ca> <1089215274.3357.25.camel@p733> <1089215576.1036.28.camel@localhost> <1089215892.3357.37.camel@p733>  <1089219539.3637.1.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <20040707180023.GC10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 12:58:59PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 12:09, Jing Su wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Out of curiosity, could I get a dump of your /etc/modprobe.conf file?
> 
> alias eth0 e100
> alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
> install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 &&
> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> remove snd-emu10k1 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-emu10k1
> alias snd-card-1 snd-intel8x0
> install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 &&
> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
> remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
> /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-intel8x0
> alias usb-controller uhci-hcd
> 
> > I suppose it's possible with two sound cards it's getting confused somehow
> > and trying to look for Audio CD on the wrong card.  You can disable the
> > Intel card by preventing its module from being loaded.  Hopefully this can
> > help narrow down the list of possible problems.
> 
> I'm not sure how to disable it. "disabling" in the BIOS was ineffective.

Does playing the cd using xmms work (poiting xmms to where it's
preferences says the cdrom should be mounted lets you get at the
tracks)?

Do you actually have an audio cable from the cdrom drive you are using
down to the cd in on the sb live?

Newer versions of windows never use the audio connection to play cds,
but linux tends to.  I believe xmms and alsaplayer don't, while cdplay
and probably gnome's thingy do use the audio cable (and hence less cpu
load and less ide activity)

Lennart Sorensen
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From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 19:29:33 2004
From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:29:33 -0400
Subject: SUSE 9.1 and KDE
Message-ID: 

I need to build a wife-friendly linux machine so I was playing with SUSE 9.1
Personal last night. There are 2 problems I encountered.

1. Java 1.4.2 JRE and X Screen Saver failed to install. No detail error
message in any log file. Since Konqueror/OpenOffice use applets, I manually
installed jre using Sun's rpm.

2. Konqueror loaded but I couldn't click on any menu option or enter
anything in the location bar. I had to kill it.

There was actually another issue. My SMC PCMCIA wireless card didn't work. I
figured out it might be because the Prism54 driver doesn't support WPA.

Could any one who had tried SUSE 9.1 provide any help? Thx
 



Regards,
 
 
PQ
 
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul  7 20:27:52 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 07 Jul 2004 16:27:52 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040706203701.GA10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	<20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
	
	<20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
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Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 08:49:45PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > I'm not using their software RAID.  I'm using their on-board RAID controller
> > as ide2 and ide3, that's all.
> 
> So it is simply another ide controller then.  No point calling it
> onboard raid then.  I am surprised that doesn't just work, given I have
> worked with many promise ide controllers without any problems (both with
> and without apic).

No, it's a RAID controller based on the PDC20276 chipset:

    tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org% cat /proc/ide/pdcnew

                                MBFastTrak 133 Lite Chipset.
    tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org%

I just use it as an additional ide controller because I dislike hardware RAID
in general and I've not heard great things about Promise.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 04:04:17 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:04:17 -0400
Subject: audio CDs won't mount or play
References: <1089208083.2436.10.camel@p733> <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733> <20040707152939.GL28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <40ECC7C1.7010502@onlink.net>

Taavi Burns wrote:

>On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 11:18:17AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
>  
>
>>On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 09:48, Chris Aitken wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>System: FC2 on Compaq Deskpro EN (p733) 48X CD-ROM, backpack CD-RW, SBL!
>>>5.1, 20 GB hda, 10 GB hdb, USR V.92 56K external modem
>>>
>>>I can mount data CDs, but audio CDs won't mount or play:
>>>      
>>>
>>The only sound I get is when I hit the 'Play test sound' button in
>>System Settings > Soundcard detection. Both the SBL! and Intel onboard
>>play the test sound -- interesting that the Intel onboard would play
>>since I disabled that card in the BIOS. I guess FC2 overrides the BIOS
>>(?!).
>>    
>>
>
>Perhaps it does!
>
A friend sent me Agnula (DeMuDi) Live -- that OS respected that I 
disabled the Intel onboard soundcard in the BIOS. It only picked up the 
SBL! card -- a few minutes after booting I was recording guitar and drum 
machine tracks in audacity. How cool is that?
Now I have to figure out how to install it on the hard drive.

Chris



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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 04:05:33 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:05:33 +0800
Subject: OT: Hardware RAID on linux
In-Reply-To: <20040706203917.GB10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407061813.57377.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <20040706203917.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <200407081205.33382.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

On Wednesday 07 July 2004 04:39, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 06:13:57PM +0800, JM wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >	I have a IBM box with 6 slots for hot swap disk. I did 3 RAID
> > 1 on those
> > disks. pair 1-2, pair 3-4 and pair 5-6. Just incase disk 2 fails do I
> > have to mkfs on the newly bought disk? or do I just insert the disk and
> > all things follow? and Is it possible to upgrade the disk space for pair
> > 5-6? if disk 5 and 6 are 32 G each.. and Ill be replacing disk 6 with
> > 100G disk.. Ill assume that data will be copied on disk 6.. after it ill
> > be replacing disk 5 with 100G.. with this do the trick?
>
> Which raid controller is running the drives?
IBM's Server RAID controller

>
> I know IBM serveraid cards will simply start a rebuild as soon as they
> see a new drive replacing a dead one.  The user sees nothing unusual.
>
> mkfs is a higher level, which doesn't apply to raid which is lower level
> (beneath the block device).
>

thanks..

btw.. have you ever tried upgrading disk capacity for raid 1?

just like what I stated above?

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From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 04:06:46 2004
From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:06:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Can not see images from my httpd server?
In-Reply-To: <1089210119.2403.8.camel-J1OC1CCqXXQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089210119.2403.8.camel@p733>
Message-ID: <20040708040646.5648.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>

All,

I have installed linux (text mode) on my server. After
starting httpd (Apache) server, I can not see any
images from my webpage. Could anybody help me out of
this problem? 

Thanks!
Louie

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 12:33:54 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:33:54 -0400
Subject: Can not see images from my httpd server?
In-Reply-To: <20040708040646.5648.qmail-+Hr5lMjvZOWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040708040646.5648.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1089290034.1051.3.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 00:06, hui xu wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have installed linux (text mode) on my server. After
> starting httpd (Apache) server, I can not see any
> images from my webpage. Could anybody help me out of
> this problem? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Louie

Louie,

We need a little bit more info before we can help.  The following are
usually good background questions:

- Which distribution and version of Linux are you using?

- Which version of apache, and how is it configured?

- Can you see anything else from the server?

- Where are the images stored WRT the rest of your site?

Kareem
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 13:43:29 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:43:29 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost> <20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>  <20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> 
Message-ID: <20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:27:52PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> No, it's a RAID controller based on the PDC20276 chipset:
> 
>     tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org% cat /proc/ide/pdcnew
> 
>                                 MBFastTrak 133 Lite Chipset.
>     tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org%

I think the ide controller in my machine at home is a 20267, which I
haven't had problems with so far.  Different model with I believe a
different driver, so who knows.

> I just use it as an additional ide controller because I dislike hardware RAID

Real hardware raid makes life simpler and reduces cpu load and such.  It
can be great.

The current crop of cheap integrated raid on the other hand is a bios
extension that allows you to boot from what is otherwise just software
raid, and once booted the device driver takes over running the software
raid.

As far as I know all hardware raids rebuild while useable (as does linux
software raid), which I have read is not the case with the promise
raids.  They have to finish rebuilding before you can boot.  I hope what
I have read is wrong, but then again it wouldn't really surprise me much
if it was the case.

Something like a 3ware card on the other hand would be really nice to
have.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 13:47:09 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:47:09 -0400
Subject: OT: Hardware RAID on linux
In-Reply-To: <200407081205.33382.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407061813.57377.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <20040706203917.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200407081205.33382.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
Message-ID: <20040708134709.GE10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 12:05:33PM +0800, JM wrote:
> btw.. have you ever tried upgrading disk capacity for raid 1?
> 
> just like what I stated above?

Well I have added disks to a raid 5 on the serveraid before, and it
allows that, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could replace one disk
with a larger one, rebuild, then replace the other disk with a larger
one and rebuild, and then go into the serveraid management tool (can be
booted from the cd that comes with the serveraid card, or I guess you
can figure out a way to run the java stuff under linux yourself) and
then see if it will let you expand the raid volume to the full size of
the disks.  I would be surprised if it didn't allow it.  After that you
should see bigger disks in linux, which you can then create additional
partitions on, or resize your current partitions to fill the new size.

Lennart Sorensen
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 16:27:33 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 08 Jul 2004 12:27:33 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040708134329.GD10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	<20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
	
	<20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 04:27:52PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > No, it's a RAID controller based on the PDC20276 chipset:
> > 
> >     tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org% cat /proc/ide/pdcnew
> > 
> >                                 MBFastTrak 133 Lite Chipset.
> >     tim-AxhZhUCsNFI at public.gmane.org%
> 
> I think the ide controller in my machine at home is a 20267, which I
> haven't had problems with so far.  Different model with I believe a
> different driver, so who knows.
> 
> > I just use it as an additional ide controller because I dislike hardware RAID
> 
> Real hardware raid makes life simpler and reduces cpu load and such.  It
> can be great.

It can be horrible too.  Many (most?) products are still not well supported
by Linux meaning you have to boot into a crappy RAID BIOS to make changes.
That's difficult to do when managing systems remotely.  And, of course, every
product has a different interface making for a maintenance nightmare when you
have to support many such systems in the field.

In contrast, Linux software RAID works well and puts you in full control,
even allowing you to do unusual things like mirroring to a network block
device or a USB stick.  I don't really buy the performance argument because
the vast majority of modern machines are I/O bound with plenty of cycles to
spare for computing checksums, parity, etc.  Probably the most useful feature
of (some) hardware RAID is a non-volatile cache but what does that really buy
you over extra (inexpensive) RAM coupled with a decent UPS?

> The current crop of cheap integrated raid on the other hand is a bios
> extension that allows you to boot from what is otherwise just software
> raid, and once booted the device driver takes over running the software
> raid.
> 
> As far as I know all hardware raids rebuild while useable (as does linux
> software raid), which I have read is not the case with the promise
> raids.  They have to finish rebuilding before you can boot.  I hope what
> I have read is wrong, but then again it wouldn't really surprise me much
> if it was the case.

Another reason why I use them as regular IDE controllers.

> Something like a 3ware card on the other hand would be really nice to
> have.

Yes, I've heard these are nice.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 19:27:24 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:27:24 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost> <20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>  <20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> 
Message-ID: <20040708192724.GF10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 12:27:33PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> It can be horrible too.  Many (most?) products are still not well supported
> by Linux meaning you have to boot into a crappy RAID BIOS to make changes.
> That's difficult to do when managing systems remotely.  And, of course, every
> product has a different interface making for a maintenance nightmare when you
> have to support many such systems in the field.

Well I know IBM's ServeRaid has decent control software for linux, and
3ware should to (like 90% of their cards are in linux systems they claim).

> In contrast, Linux software RAID works well and puts you in full control,
> even allowing you to do unusual things like mirroring to a network block
> device or a USB stick.  I don't really buy the performance argument because
> the vast majority of modern machines are I/O bound with plenty of cycles to
> spare for computing checksums, parity, etc.  Probably the most useful feature
> of (some) hardware RAID is a non-volatile cache but what does that really buy
> you over extra (inexpensive) RAM coupled with a decent UPS?

True it's hard to beat the flexibility and availability of stats
information and debuging info.

> Another reason why I use them as regular IDE controllers.
> 
> Yes, I've heard these are nice.

I have heard from one of their distributers that a lot of 3ware users
are using them simply as 12 channel SATA controllers with scsi
interface/performance.  Then they run linux software raid on top.  I
guess it does have some advantages, although booting is still simpler
from hardware managed raid, as is controlling rebuilds.

Lennart Sorensen
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From redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul  9 16:14:27 2004
From: redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Updating Mandrake 9.2 to 10
Message-ID: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net>

I currently have Mandrake 9.2 installed on my laptop.
How do I upgrade to Mandrake 10 across the web or using
ftp?
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul  9 18:48:26 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 09 Jul 2004 14:48:26 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040708192724.GF10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089036070.1049.27.camel@localhost>
	<20040705151331.GP4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
	
	<20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040708192724.GF10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 12:27:33PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > It can be horrible too.  Many (most?) products are still not well supported
> > by Linux meaning you have to boot into a crappy RAID BIOS to make changes.
> > That's difficult to do when managing systems remotely.  And, of course, every
> > product has a different interface making for a maintenance nightmare when you
> > have to support many such systems in the field.
> 
> Well I know IBM's ServeRaid has decent control software for linux, and
> 3ware should to (like 90% of their cards are in linux systems they claim).

I know others have had good success with IBM's ServeRaid but one of our
customers had a single failed disk take the entire array with it.  Twice!
When asked about it, the IBM tech who came in to replace the bad disk simply
said it happens sometimes.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul  9 19:06:00 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>  <20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>  <20040708192724.GF10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> 
Message-ID: <20040709190600.GG10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:48:26PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > 3ware should to (like 90% of their cards are in linux systems they claim).
> 
> I know others have had good success with IBM's ServeRaid but one of our
> customers had a single failed disk take the entire array with it.  Twice!

Well I haven't seen that, but I don't think SCSI garurentees that a dead
disk won't block the bus.  Of course with a 3ware controller each disk
has it's own bus so that isn't a problem.  Nice advantage to have over
scsi based raid actually where the connector is in fact a single point
of failure which can potentially be killed by a dead disk, although it
seems usually the disk just stops responding, or the electronics survive
enough to tell the controller it is dead and disconnect itself.  IDE in
general will kill the bus if a disk dies, which is why you should not
run raid with more than one disk per connector on ide.

Lennart Sorensen
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From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul  9 19:31:34 2004
From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:31:34 -0400
Subject: CUPS web admin problem
Message-ID: 

Hi Guys,

I've been trying to get cups 1.1.14-15.4 working on a redhat 7.3 machine. 
More acurately, I am trying to use the admin tool from a remote machine. I 
do have the Allow From All in the root and the admin location. The problem 
is when I try to configure a printer from the webbrowser admin tool. I can 
select add printer. I see the first page so I enter the name the location 
and the description. When I click continue, nothing happens. I get the 
following output in my cups/error_log

E [09/Jul/2004:11:05:46 -0400] ReadClient() 3 IPP Read Error!
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] AcceptClient(0807bd00) 0 NumClients = 0
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] AcceptClient() 3 from martin.home:631.
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] AcceptClient: Adding fd 3 to InputSet...
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] ReadClient() 3 POST /admin HTTP/1.1
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] decode_auth(402ff008): Authorization string = 
"Basic cm9vdDo2Mzl6N3lrMDY2"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] decode_auth() 3 username="root"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] IsAuthorized: con->uri = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] FindBest: uri = "/admin"...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] FindBest: Location / Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] FindBest: Location /admin Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] FindBest: best = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] IsAuthorized: auth = 0, satisfy=0...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] IsAuthorized: username = "root" password = 10 
chars
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] IsAuthorized: Checking "root", address = 
c0a8029c, hostname = "martin.home"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] POST /admin
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] CONTENT_TYPE = 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] ReadClient() 3 
command="/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi", options = ""
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] ReadClient() 3 con->data_encoding = length, 
con->data_remaining = 107, con->file = 0
E [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] ReadClient() 3 IPP Read Error!
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] CloseClient() 3
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:50 -0400] CloseClient: Removing fd 3 from InputSet and 
OutputSet...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient(0807bd00) 0 NumClients = 0
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient() 3 from martin.home:631.
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient: Adding fd 3 to InputSet...
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 POST /admin HTTP/1.1
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] decode_auth(402ff008): Authorization string = 
"Basic cm9vdDo2Mzl6N3lrMDY2"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] decode_auth() 3 username="root"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: con->uri = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: uri = "/admin"...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: Location / Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: Location /admin Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: best = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: auth = 0, satisfy=0...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: username = "root" password = 10 
chars
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: Checking "root", address = 
c0a8029c, hostname = "martin.home"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] POST /ad [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] 
ReadClient() 3 command="/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi", options = ""
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 con->data_encoding = length, 
con->data_remaining = 108, con->file = 0
E [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 IPP Read Error!
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CloseClient() 3
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CloseClient: Removing fd 3 from InputSet and 
OutputSet...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient(0807bd00) 0 NumClients = 0
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient() 3 from martin.home:631.
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] AcceptClient: Adding fd 3 to InputSet...
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 POST /admin HTTP/1.1
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] decode_auth(402ff008): Authorization string = 
"Basic cm9vdDo2Mzl6N3lrMDY2"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] decode_auth() 3 username="root"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: con->uri = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: uri = "/admin"...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: Location / Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: Location /admin Limit 7f
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] FindBest: best = "/admin"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: auth = 0, satisfy=0...
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: username = "root" password = 10 
chars
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] IsAuthorized: Checking "root", address = 
c0a8029c, hostname = "martin.home"
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] POST /admin
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CONTENT_TYPE = 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 
command="/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi", options = ""
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 con->data_encoding = length, 
con->data_remaining = 108, con->file = 0
E [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] ReadClient() 3 IPP Read Error!
D [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CloseClient() 3
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CloseClient: Removing fd 3 from InputSet and 
OutputSet...
dmin
d [09/Jul/2004:11:15:51 -0400] CONTENT_TYPE = 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded

Looking at the access_log file I get this:

martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /admin HTTP/1.1" 200 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /admin HTTP/1.1" 200 
2851
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /images/left.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /images/add-class.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /images/right.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET 
/images/manage-classes.gif HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /images/manage-jobs.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET /images/add-printer.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:17 -0400] "GET 
/images/manage-printers.gif HTTP/1.1" 304 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:21 -0400] "GET /admin/?op=add-printer 
HTTP/1.1" 200 0
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:21 -0400] "GET /admin/?op=add-printer 
HTTP/1.1" 200 2386
martin.home - root [09/Jul/2004:11:05:21 -0400] "GET /images/continue.gif 
HTTP/1.1" 304 0

TIA

Martin

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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul  9 20:40:16 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:40:16 -0400
Subject: Updating Mandrake 9.2 to 10
In-Reply-To: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm-4xi/tfaRJV++TtN3LuOZE8GV+HDSZRyd8ZjxTxpiBLs@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <20040709164016.38bf885a.joehill@sympatico.ca>

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org disseminated the following:

> I currently have Mandrake 9.2 installed on my laptop.
> How do I upgrade to Mandrake 10 across the web or using
> ftp?

Basically, you just remove all your sources for 9.2 and replace them with
sources for 10.0. Do (as root) 'urpmi.removemedia -a', then go here:

http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php

and re-add all your sources for 10.0.

Then do a 'urpmi --auto-select' and all packages will be updated.

However, this method is *not* as trouble-free as it is with Debian, as I'm sure
many will point out.

See here for more info:

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UrpmiUpgrade

Make sure you read the 'Notes' at the bottom before proceeding, this may not be
for the faint of heart :-/

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 01:42:57 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 09 Jul 2004 21:42:57 -0400
Subject: APIC on AMD Athlon 2500+ Broken?
In-Reply-To: <20040709190600.GG10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089044204.1049.49.camel@localhost>
	
	<20040705202510.GQ4640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040706203701.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040708134329.GD10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040708192724.GF10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	
	<20040709190600.GG10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:48:26PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote:
> > > 3ware should to (like 90% of their cards are in linux systems they claim).
> > 
> > I know others have had good success with IBM's ServeRaid but one of our
> > customers had a single failed disk take the entire array with it.  Twice!
> 
> Well I haven't seen that, but I don't think SCSI garurentees that a dead
> disk won't block the bus.

It didn't just crash the system, it destroyed the contents of the RAID array
requiring the system to be reinstalled from backup!

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 05:07:59 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Call for speakers
Message-ID: 

Hi all.  We need speaker for the next few months, most urgently August of
course :)

The topic can be anything Linux/Unix related :)

Anyone interested please email me advising the following information:

1.  Topic

2.  Short precis on what you want to talk about

3.  Month(s) of preference.

Remaining meetings for 2004:

August 10, 2004
September 14, 2004
October 12, 2004
November 9, 2004
December 14, 2004 (Not sure if this one is on)

Rob

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 01:27:22 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:27:22 +0100
Subject: Call for speakers
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040710022722.30e1fd84@pingu.opus>

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Brockway  wrote:

> Hi all.  We need speaker for the next few months, most urgently August of
> course :)
> 
> The topic can be anything Linux/Unix related :)
> 
> Anyone interested please email me advising the following information:
> 
> 1.  Topic
> 
> 2.  Short precis on what you want to talk about
> 
> 3.  Month(s) of preference.
> 
> Remaining meetings for 2004:
> 
> August 10, 2004
> September 14, 2004
> October 12, 2004
> November 9, 2004
> December 14, 2004 (Not sure if this one is on)
> 
> Rob

There have been some major adbvancements for Linux on the desk top. How about a speaker on this. Novell (Suse) guys,& or IBM, & or OMG SUN.


Just a thought. BTW I'm willing to help. 

John  









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From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 08:02:13 2004
From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:02:13 -0400
Subject: Updating Mandrake 9.2 to 10
In-Reply-To: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm-4xi/tfaRJV++TtN3LuOZE8GV+HDSZRyd8ZjxTxpiBLs@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <1089446533.40efa285014b0@mymail.yorku.ca>

Quoting redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org:

> I currently have Mandrake 9.2 installed on my laptop.
> How do I upgrade to Mandrake 10 across the web or using
> ftp?

You can find a 10.0 repository (see the Mandrake Download webpage for sources),
download the image 'boot.iso'.  Burn it to a cd (it's very small... 20 MB I
think).  Boot it, and when it asks, point it back to the repository.  That way,
you can do the upgrade with a full graphical installer.

Austin
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 12:35:07 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:35:07 -0400
Subject: Agnula Live hd install
Message-ID: <40EFE27B.7040906@onlink.net>

I am trying to install Agnula Live to the hard drive via knx-hdinstall. 
Here is a cut & paste of the installation results:

root-VCArbIUMJsk at public.gmane.org[knoppix]# knx-hdinstall  Setting up /dev/hda5 as swap... 
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 766365 kB Creating filesystem on 
/dev/hda3... Filesystem label= OS type: Linux Block size=4096 (log=2) 
Fragment size=4096 (log=2) 305824 inodes, 610470 blocks 30523 blocks 
(5.00%) reserved for the super user First data block=0 19 block groups 
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group 16096 inodes per group 
Superblock backups stored on blocks:         32768, 98304, 163840, 
229376, 294912
Writing inode tables: done                             Creating journal 
(8192 blocks): done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting 
information: done
This filesystem will be automatically checked every 27 mounts or 180 
days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. tune2fs 
1.35-WIP (31-Jan-2004) Copying files...ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 
255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.16 8.0.255 up Done.

cp: cannot stat `/mnt/target/usr/share/gnome/apps/Knoppix/*': No such 
file or di rectory cp: cannot stat `/etc/alternatives/soffice.*': No 
such file or directory 2500+0 records in 2500+0 records out 2560000 
bytes transferred in 0.105595 seconds (24243597 bytes/sec) 1+0 records 
in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.022779 seconds (22477 
bytes/sec) part: /dev/hda1, typ: 11 part: /dev/hdb1, typ: 11 Setting up 
boot loader (LILO)... shell-init: could not get current directory: 
getcwd: cannot access parent direct ories: No such file or directory 
Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.24-multimedia-knoppix: No such file or 
directory ls: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.24-multimedia-knoppix: No such file or 
directory Writing boot floppy... shell-init: could not get current 
directory: getcwd: cannot access parent direct ories: No such file or 
directory shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot 
access parent direct ories: No such file or directory shell-init: could 
not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent direct ories: No 
such file or directory cp: cannot stat 
`/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.24-multimedia-knoppix': No such file or direc tory 
umount: /mnt/l1: device is busy root-VCArbIUMJsk at public.gmane.org[knoppix]# 
When I boot I just get a flashing 'cursor' in which you cannot type 
anything.

I tried booting from the boot floppy which is created during the 
installation and get a boot: prompt and "Could not find kerenl image". I 
get that error no matter what I type in boot:

The problems (if they are indicated by lines in the script above) seem 
to start after the word "Done". At that point in tht einstallation I 
make networking choices like IP address, netmask, etc. Is the installer 
having trouble creating and accessing files and directories? If so, why 
does it not just create them.

I'm trying to join the agnula users lists as well but it is taking a 
while for some reason.

Any ideas?

Chris

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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 13:24:07 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:24:07 -0400
Subject: Call for speakers
In-Reply-To: <20040710022722.30e1fd84-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org> 
References:  <20040710022722.30e1fd84@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <20040710132407.094DD4408@cbbrowne.com>

> There have been some major adbvancements for Linux on the desk
> top. How about a speaker on this. Novell (Suse) guys,& or IBM, & or
> OMG SUN.

We just had Novell/SuSE in two months ago, so that part seems fairly
"covered."  They were very interesting.

I'm not so sure that IBM or Sun would be able to send someone to speak
of interesting things, what with the tension between marketing and
technology.  They have lots of technical things going on, but the
implications are political, which means marketing has to decide what to
let out...
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 13:40:40 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:40:40 -0400
Subject: Security hole in Mozilla
Message-ID: <40EFF1D8.6080409@canada.com>

Hi All,

FYI, there is a hole of Security in the Mozilla products (Mozilla, 
Firefox and Thinderbird) for those of us who are using it on Windows 
(shame on us :-) ).

Here is the link with either the patches or the new version of the products.
http://www.mozilla.org/security/shell.html

Have fun.

Gilles


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From Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 13:58:49 2004
From: Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org (Lance Nichols)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:58:49 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
Message-ID: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>

I am traveling to the US starting early next week and the hotel the company 
has booked me into seems to only offer wireless internet access. The Dell 
c640 I have (company supplied dual booting between company Windows image and 
PRO SUSE 9.1 image) was never equipped with the wireless card. 

So, rather then pony up the costs to rent a NIC daily, which may not work in 
linux, I am looking to grab one quickly before I head south. Advantage of 
this would be I could then use it @ home on my wireless network as well when 
I get back....

So, does anyone have any good suggestions for inexpensive (<$60) wireless NICs 
that are "garenteed" to run on this system?

Lance

PS, thanks for the input for a first time poster.
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 10:00:44 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:00:44 +0100
Subject: Agnula Live hd install
In-Reply-To: <40EFE27B.7040906-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40EFE27B.7040906@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040710110044.0dcb2b52@pingu.opus>

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:35:07 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> I am trying to install Agnula Live to the hard drive via knx-hdinstall. 

Oops... that script is no longer maintained. Use knoppix-installer. 

I'm not 100 % sure if it will work completely with Agnula Live though. 

For further details goto :
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/HdInstallHowTo



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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 15:47:07 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:47:07 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
In-Reply-To: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID: <20040710154707.GD28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 09:58:49AM -0400, Lance Nichols wrote:
> So, does anyone have any good suggestions for inexpensive (<$60) wireless NICs 
> that are "garenteed" to run on this system?

http://www.linux-wireless.org/Wireless/Drivers/

I've heard good things about the various prism cards (prism2 and prism54).  When
looking for these cards, make sure that you get an EXACT match for the model, as
even the smallest difference in name _can_ mean that it's actually a very different
card.  Where indicated, know that sometimes even a card with EXACTLY the same name
may actually have more than one model, and one may work while the other may not.
Always make sure that your source allows returns, just in case.  ;)

More laptops are comning with MiniPCI slots these days.  These are internal PCI
connectors, and the laptop would then have a built-in antenna (often built into
the sides of the screen).  This is really nice to have, as there are no stray
bits hanging out of PCMCIA slots.  ;)

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 16:18:34 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:18:34 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
In-Reply-To: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID: <1089476313.1074.1.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 09:58, Lance Nichols wrote:
> I am traveling to the US starting early next week and the hotel the company 
> has booked me into seems to only offer wireless internet access. The Dell 
> c640 I have (company supplied dual booting between company Windows image and 
> PRO SUSE 9.1 image) was never equipped with the wireless card. 
> 
> So, rather then pony up the costs to rent a NIC daily, which may not work in 
> linux, I am looking to grab one quickly before I head south. Advantage of 
> this would be I could then use it @ home on my wireless network as well when 
> I get back....
> 
> So, does anyone have any good suggestions for inexpensive (<$60) wireless NICs 
> that are "garenteed" to run on this system?
> 
> Lance
> 
> PS, thanks for the input for a first time poster.

I've had great success with a Linksys WPC11.  As Taavi pointed out, make
sure to get the exact model.  I've subsequently bough a WPC54G, and it's
completely useless to anything other than Windows.  I think both
canadacomputers.com and factorydirect.ca have SMC2635W's which use the
ADM8211 chipset.  I believe those have drivers, but they're not the
easiest to use.

Good luck!

Kareem

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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 19:05:07 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:05:07 -0400
Subject: Updating Mandrake 9.2 to 10
In-Reply-To: <1089446533.40efa285014b0-L/ZuoSt+y0q45YHtStHL6Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040709091427.10003.h005.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net>
	<1089446533.40efa285014b0@mymail.yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <20040710150507.52465a77.joehill@sympatico.ca>

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:02:13 -0400
Austin Acton disseminated the following:

> > I currently have Mandrake 9.2 installed on my laptop.
> > How do I upgrade to Mandrake 10 across the web or using
> > ftp?
> 
> You can find a 10.0 repository (see the Mandrake Download webpage for
> sources), download the image 'boot.iso'.  Burn it to a cd (it's very small...
> 20 MB I think).  Boot it, and when it asks, point it back to the repository. 
> That way, you can do the upgrade with a full graphical installer.

...heard that was 'broken' (the boot.iso image) on the Expert list. Has it been
fixed?

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 10 22:43:02 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 10 Jul 2004 18:43:02 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
In-Reply-To: <1089476313.1074.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
	<1089476313.1074.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

Kareem Shehata  writes:

> On Sat, 2004-07-10 at 09:58, Lance Nichols wrote:
> > I am traveling to the US starting early next week and the hotel the company 
> > has booked me into seems to only offer wireless internet access. The Dell 
> > c640 I have (company supplied dual booting between company Windows image and 
> > PRO SUSE 9.1 image) was never equipped with the wireless card. 
> > 
> > So, rather then pony up the costs to rent a NIC daily, which may not work in 
> > linux, I am looking to grab one quickly before I head south. Advantage of 
> > this would be I could then use it @ home on my wireless network as well when 
> > I get back....
> > 
> > So, does anyone have any good suggestions for inexpensive (<$60) wireless NICs 
> > that are "garenteed" to run on this system?
> > 
> > Lance
> > 
> > PS, thanks for the input for a first time poster.
> 
> I've had great success with a Linksys WPC11.  As Taavi pointed out, make
> sure to get the exact model.

And version!  WPC11 v.1 through v.3 are based on Prism chipsets and well
supported.  WPC11 v.4, the current version and the one most easily found in
"mainstream" stores like Future Shop, Best Buy, etc., is based on a Realtek
chipset and _not_ currently supported.  Another good Prism card is the
SMC2532W-B.  If you get a Prism card, I recommend upgrading the firmware
which is best described here:

    http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/

> I've subsequently bough a WPC54G, and it's
> completely useless to anything other than Windows.  I think both
> canadacomputers.com and factorydirect.ca have SMC2635W's which use the
> ADM8211 chipset.  I believe those have drivers, but they're not the
> easiest to use.

If you want G, try the SMC2835W EZ Connect.

Some useful links:

    http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison
    http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/Prism2Card
    http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php

Again though, these are only guides as manufacturers have a nasty habbit of
changing the guts without changing the product name or model number.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 02:34:48 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:34:48 -0400
Subject: Agnula Live hd install
References: <40EFE27B.7040906@onlink.net> <20040710110044.0dcb2b52@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40F0A748.9030408@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:35:07 -0400
>Chris Aitken  wrote:
>
>>I am trying to install Agnula Live to the hard drive via knx-hdinstall. 
>>    
>>
>
>Oops... that script is no longer maintained. Use knoppix-installer. 
>
>I'm not 100 % sure if it will work completely with Agnula Live though. 
>
OK, I tried -- slightly different installer. Same problem as with 
knx-hdinstall.sh.

>For further details goto :
>http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/HdInstallHowTo
>  
>
Thanks -- I read the whole thing. I'm doing everything right. Still, when
I boot I get a black screen with a flashing cursor (that won't accept kybd
input) in the upper left-hand corner)...

Chris




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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 06:32:44 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:32:44 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
Message-ID: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>

Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
and see if anyone could help.  About 3 days ago my DSL connection seemed
to stop working.  Further analysis showed that the connection was still
there but certain sites/servers were inaccessible.  For instance I was
able to load cnn.com but was unable to load google.com.  Similarly for
many other sites, including an inability to get to my own ISPs website. 
It wasn't simply restricted to http access either as ssh, pings and
traceroutes showed similar behaviour.  Neither was there a browser issue
(tried Mozilla, wget, IE, etc).

Thinking it might be an issue with my firewall I replaced the firewall
with a spare.  This failed to make any difference.  Thinking perhaps it
was a modem issue I also swapped modems again to no avail.  Finally I
called the ISP and, at their urging, I directly connected a Windows XP
laptop to the modem to make their tech support people feel more at
ease.  As expected, this made no difference  They ran line tests and
checked network status.  I was informed that Bell had no issues, they
had no issues and, in fact, by everything they could tell, I had a
picture perfect, low-noise DSL line which was connecting and
authenticating wonderfully.

And the strangest part of the whole thing is how erratic it is in what
hosts it can connect to and what hosts it can't.  For instance, there
are two hosts on the U of T CS network that I have access to.  They are
separated by very little (practically next to each other) and share the
same route out of the U of T networks.  Against all intuition and odds,
one of them is perfectly accessible while the other isn't.  However,
from my machine at home on Rogers both machines are readily accessible

Now, about the only two things that I can think to be a problem is that
either a) something very unusual is going on with my ISPs routers or b)
the IP address has somehow been blacklisted somewhere.  Now, I can't
imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
different subnet.

My own feeling is that it is option a) but at the moment I have no way
to show that.  I spent two hours on the phone today convincing the
bloody tech support person that it was *not* a software configuration
issue and he refused to believe that anything could be wrong with their
system that he was unaware of.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way
to test or determine where the problem is since traceroute has been
inconclusive at best and I'm not a networking expert.

So I guess my question is this: what could I try/test in order to either
rule out or support option a) or b)?  Should I just call back the ISP
and insist that a ticket be filed with their real networking people?  If
that is the case, does anyone have any theory on what might cause such
unusual behaviour so that I can make a better case?  Any other advice?

Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
on this one.

Regards,
-- 
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 08:48:41 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 04:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

> Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
> even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
> on this one.

Hi Marcus.  Having bizarre connectivity issues due to "Path MTU Discovery"
has not been uncommon with DSL (although I have not seen it recently).
I actually don't think this is your issue but it should be ruled out.

The ways to try to fix this are:

1.  Lower the MTU on your end of the DSL link (drop to 296 as a test case
    and then bring it up)

2.  Turn off "Path MTU Discovery" on your end of the DSL link.

I note that you tried 2 modems and 2 OSes.  This tends to suggest another
cause, but perhaps you just happened to pick combinations of boxes &
modems that were using PMTU Discovery.

On Linux:

$cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc

NB:
0 Indicates it is on, 1 indicates it is off.  If you do not see this file
the code is not in the kernel (thus it is off :)

Rob

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From alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 10:15:51 2004
From: alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Akshay Lamba)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:45:51 +0530
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <000201c46730$0b751490$5b1965cb@corporate.bharti.com>

Sounds like a very interesting case marcus. While at this point in time I
don't have any positive thoughts/feedback for you, (give me some time to
chew on it) do keep me updated on how this progresses (alamba (at) bharti
dot com)

BTW, are you doing NAT anywhere on the way from your systems to the sites in
question? Trace the path, even if u're not NATing maybe your ISP is?

Regards,
Akshay

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Marcus
Brubaker
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:03 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: Weird networking problem

Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
and see if anyone could help.  About 3 days ago my DSL connection seemed
to stop working.  Further analysis showed that the connection was still
there but certain sites/servers were inaccessible.  For instance I was
able to load cnn.com but was unable to load google.com.  Similarly for
many other sites, including an inability to get to my own ISPs website. 
It wasn't simply restricted to http access either as ssh, pings and
traceroutes showed similar behaviour.  Neither was there a browser issue
(tried Mozilla, wget, IE, etc).

Thinking it might be an issue with my firewall I replaced the firewall
with a spare.  This failed to make any difference.  Thinking perhaps it
was a modem issue I also swapped modems again to no avail.  Finally I
called the ISP and, at their urging, I directly connected a Windows XP
laptop to the modem to make their tech support people feel more at
ease.  As expected, this made no difference  They ran line tests and
checked network status.  I was informed that Bell had no issues, they
had no issues and, in fact, by everything they could tell, I had a
picture perfect, low-noise DSL line which was connecting and
authenticating wonderfully.

And the strangest part of the whole thing is how erratic it is in what
hosts it can connect to and what hosts it can't.  For instance, there
are two hosts on the U of T CS network that I have access to.  They are
separated by very little (practically next to each other) and share the
same route out of the U of T networks.  Against all intuition and odds,
one of them is perfectly accessible while the other isn't.  However,
from my machine at home on Rogers both machines are readily accessible

Now, about the only two things that I can think to be a problem is that
either a) something very unusual is going on with my ISPs routers or b)
the IP address has somehow been blacklisted somewhere.  Now, I can't
imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
different subnet.

My own feeling is that it is option a) but at the moment I have no way
to show that.  I spent two hours on the phone today convincing the
bloody tech support person that it was *not* a software configuration
issue and he refused to believe that anything could be wrong with their
system that he was unaware of.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way
to test or determine where the problem is since traceroute has been
inconclusive at best and I'm not a networking expert.

So I guess my question is this: what could I try/test in order to either
rule out or support option a) or b)?  Should I just call back the ISP
and insist that a ticket be filed with their real networking people?  If
that is the case, does anyone have any theory on what might cause such
unusual behaviour so that I can make a better case?  Any other advice?

Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
on this one.

Regards,
-- 
Marcus Brubaker 

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 13:28:37 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:28:37 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <20040711132837.GH10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:32:44AM -0400, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
> two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
> and see if anyone could help.  About 3 days ago my DSL connection seemed
> to stop working.  Further analysis showed that the connection was still
> there but certain sites/servers were inaccessible.  For instance I was
> able to load cnn.com but was unable to load google.com.  Similarly for
> many other sites, including an inability to get to my own ISPs website. 
> It wasn't simply restricted to http access either as ssh, pings and
> traceroutes showed similar behaviour.  Neither was there a browser issue
> (tried Mozilla, wget, IE, etc).
> 
> Thinking it might be an issue with my firewall I replaced the firewall
> with a spare.  This failed to make any difference.  Thinking perhaps it
> was a modem issue I also swapped modems again to no avail.  Finally I
> called the ISP and, at their urging, I directly connected a Windows XP
> laptop to the modem to make their tech support people feel more at
> ease.  As expected, this made no difference  They ran line tests and
> checked network status.  I was informed that Bell had no issues, they
> had no issues and, in fact, by everything they could tell, I had a
> picture perfect, low-noise DSL line which was connecting and
> authenticating wonderfully.
> 
> And the strangest part of the whole thing is how erratic it is in what
> hosts it can connect to and what hosts it can't.  For instance, there
> are two hosts on the U of T CS network that I have access to.  They are
> separated by very little (practically next to each other) and share the
> same route out of the U of T networks.  Against all intuition and odds,
> one of them is perfectly accessible while the other isn't.  However,
> from my machine at home on Rogers both machines are readily accessible
> 
> Now, about the only two things that I can think to be a problem is that
> either a) something very unusual is going on with my ISPs routers or b)
> the IP address has somehow been blacklisted somewhere.  Now, I can't
> imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
> a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
> usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
> able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
> doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
> different subnet.
> 
> My own feeling is that it is option a) but at the moment I have no way
> to show that.  I spent two hours on the phone today convincing the
> bloody tech support person that it was *not* a software configuration
> issue and he refused to believe that anything could be wrong with their
> system that he was unaware of.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way
> to test or determine where the problem is since traceroute has been
> inconclusive at best and I'm not a networking expert.
> 
> So I guess my question is this: what could I try/test in order to either
> rule out or support option a) or b)?  Should I just call back the ISP
> and insist that a ticket be filed with their real networking people?  If
> that is the case, does anyone have any theory on what might cause such
> unusual behaviour so that I can make a better case?  Any other advice?
> 
> Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
> even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
> on this one.

Well you seem to have tried all the obvious solutions.

What kind of firewall are you using?

What MTU do you run on your DSL link?

If the firewall is Linux, does it happen to have ECN (explicit
congestion notification) on?  Having that on will cause weird problems
since there are many broken routers on the Internet that do the wrong
thing when they encounter ECN packets.

I wonder if some large chunk of the Internet is having routing issues
that happens to cause problems, except that doesn't explain the machines
at UoT.  Since the windows machine didn't work, that doesn't explain the
ECN idea either.

The symptoms certainly are confusing in your case.

Lennart Sorensen
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From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 19:28:03 2004
From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:28:03 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <1089574083.11613.3.camel@linux.site>

Try using an anonymous proxy (http://www.multiproxy.org/anon_proxy.htm )
and see if you can access the inaccessible sites. If you can, your IP is
somehow blocked somewhere. If you still can't, then the problem is not
with your IP

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 02:32, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
> two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
> and see if anyone could help.  About 3 days ago my DSL connection seemed
> to stop working.  Further analysis showed that the connection was still
> there but certain sites/servers were inaccessible.  For instance I was
> able to load cnn.com but was unable to load google.com.  Similarly for
> many other sites, including an inability to get to my own ISPs website. 
> It wasn't simply restricted to http access either as ssh, pings and
> traceroutes showed similar behaviour.  Neither was there a browser issue
> (tried Mozilla, wget, IE, etc).
> 
> Thinking it might be an issue with my firewall I replaced the firewall
> with a spare.  This failed to make any difference.  Thinking perhaps it
> was a modem issue I also swapped modems again to no avail.  Finally I
> called the ISP and, at their urging, I directly connected a Windows XP
> laptop to the modem to make their tech support people feel more at
> ease.  As expected, this made no difference  They ran line tests and
> checked network status.  I was informed that Bell had no issues, they
> had no issues and, in fact, by everything they could tell, I had a
> picture perfect, low-noise DSL line which was connecting and
> authenticating wonderfully.
> 
> And the strangest part of the whole thing is how erratic it is in what
> hosts it can connect to and what hosts it can't.  For instance, there
> are two hosts on the U of T CS network that I have access to.  They are
> separated by very little (practically next to each other) and share the
> same route out of the U of T networks.  Against all intuition and odds,
> one of them is perfectly accessible while the other isn't.  However,
> from my machine at home on Rogers both machines are readily accessible
> 
> Now, about the only two things that I can think to be a problem is that
> either a) something very unusual is going on with my ISPs routers or b)
> the IP address has somehow been blacklisted somewhere.  Now, I can't
> imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
> a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
> usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
> able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
> doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
> different subnet.
> 
> My own feeling is that it is option a) but at the moment I have no way
> to show that.  I spent two hours on the phone today convincing the
> bloody tech support person that it was *not* a software configuration
> issue and he refused to believe that anything could be wrong with their
> system that he was unaware of.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way
> to test or determine where the problem is since traceroute has been
> inconclusive at best and I'm not a networking expert.
> 
> So I guess my question is this: what could I try/test in order to either
> rule out or support option a) or b)?  Should I just call back the ISP
> and insist that a ticket be filed with their real networking people?  If
> that is the case, does anyone have any theory on what might cause such
> unusual behaviour so that I can make a better case?  Any other advice?
> 
> Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
> even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
> on this one.
> 
> Regards,

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From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 19:34:22 2004
From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:34:22 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089574083.11613.3.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089574083.11613.3.camel@linux.site>
Message-ID: <1089574462.11613.5.camel@linux.site>

This list is more up to date

http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-proxy/proxy-list/

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 15:28, Jason Shein wrote:
> Try using an anonymous proxy (http://www.multiproxy.org/anon_proxy.htm )
> and see if you can access the inaccessible sites. If you can, your IP is
> somehow blocked somewhere. If you still can't, then the problem is not
> with your IP
> 
> On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 02:32, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> > Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
> > two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
> > and see if anyone could help.  About 3 days ago my DSL connection seemed
> > to stop working.  Further analysis showed that the connection was still
> > there but certain sites/servers were inaccessible.  For instance I was
> > able to load cnn.com but was unable to load google.com.  Similarly for
> > many other sites, including an inability to get to my own ISPs website. 
> > It wasn't simply restricted to http access either as ssh, pings and
> > traceroutes showed similar behaviour.  Neither was there a browser issue
> > (tried Mozilla, wget, IE, etc).
> > 
> > Thinking it might be an issue with my firewall I replaced the firewall
> > with a spare.  This failed to make any difference.  Thinking perhaps it
> > was a modem issue I also swapped modems again to no avail.  Finally I
> > called the ISP and, at their urging, I directly connected a Windows XP
> > laptop to the modem to make their tech support people feel more at
> > ease.  As expected, this made no difference  They ran line tests and
> > checked network status.  I was informed that Bell had no issues, they
> > had no issues and, in fact, by everything they could tell, I had a
> > picture perfect, low-noise DSL line which was connecting and
> > authenticating wonderfully.
> > 
> > And the strangest part of the whole thing is how erratic it is in what
> > hosts it can connect to and what hosts it can't.  For instance, there
> > are two hosts on the U of T CS network that I have access to.  They are
> > separated by very little (practically next to each other) and share the
> > same route out of the U of T networks.  Against all intuition and odds,
> > one of them is perfectly accessible while the other isn't.  However,
> > from my machine at home on Rogers both machines are readily accessible
> > 
> > Now, about the only two things that I can think to be a problem is that
> > either a) something very unusual is going on with my ISPs routers or b)
> > the IP address has somehow been blacklisted somewhere.  Now, I can't
> > imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
> > a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
> > usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
> > able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
> > doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
> > different subnet.
> > 
> > My own feeling is that it is option a) but at the moment I have no way
> > to show that.  I spent two hours on the phone today convincing the
> > bloody tech support person that it was *not* a software configuration
> > issue and he refused to believe that anything could be wrong with their
> > system that he was unaware of.  Unfortunately, I don't know of any way
> > to test or determine where the problem is since traceroute has been
> > inconclusive at best and I'm not a networking expert.
> > 
> > So I guess my question is this: what could I try/test in order to either
> > rule out or support option a) or b)?  Should I just call back the ISP
> > and insist that a ticket be filed with their real networking people?  If
> > that is the case, does anyone have any theory on what might cause such
> > unusual behaviour so that I can make a better case?  Any other advice?
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
> > even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
> > on this one.
> > 
> > Regards,
> 
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From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 22:05:21 2004
From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:05:21 -0400
Subject: July TLUG meeting?
Message-ID: <20040711180521.J23495@leftmind.net>

Is there a speaker (or does that mean we get a Tilbrook special)?

Or is two days before the meeting still much too early to panic?

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 22:11:57 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:11:57 -0400
Subject: July TLUG meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20040711180521.J23495-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040711180521.J23495@leftmind.net>
Message-ID: <40F1BB2D.3090708@rogers.com>

Anthony de Boer wrote:
> Is there a speaker (or does that mean we get a Tilbrook special)?
> 
> Or is two days before the meeting still much too early to panic?
> 

Yes.  Wait until about 7:29 Tuesday evening to panic.  ;-)

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 22:48:21 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:48:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: July TLUG meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20040711180521.J23495-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040711180521.J23495@leftmind.net>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Anthony de Boer wrote:

> Is there a speaker (or does that mean we get a Tilbrook special)?
>
> Or is two days before the meeting still much too early to panic?

Hmm... bit of a mess up on my part :(

There was a speaker but they had to pull out.  This apparently did not
trigger an interrupt on my part and I recently realised we were without a
speaker.  I had contacted a couple of people privately but they have not
got back to me.  At this stage we're looking at:

a) Drew using one of his emergency speeches.

b) Someone else doing an emergency speech.

c) A Q&A session/tutorial (actually very useful).

I was waiting until tommorrow to panic().

Thoughts, flames? :)

Rob

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 22:50:01 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 18:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089574083.11613.3.camel-YbU/o29LwNHN0uC3ymp8PA@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
 <1089574083.11613.3.camel@linux.site>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Jason Shein wrote:

> Try using an anonymous proxy (http://www.multiproxy.org/anon_proxy.htm )
> and see if you can access the inaccessible sites. If you can, your IP is
> somehow blocked somewhere. If you still can't, then the problem is not
> with your IP

Ah but this approach will also work around PMTU discovery problems, ECN
problems and routing problems, so it doesn't actualy prove that blocks are
in place.

Rob

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 23:09:16 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:09:16 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
In-Reply-To: <1089476313.1074.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net> <1089476313.1074.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <40F1C89C.2000903@sympatico.ca>

Though they're a lot of hassle to get going at first, I've had success 
with the acx100 based SMC (2435W?) and D-Link (650+) cards. Some of 
these are under $20, but use the same firmware and driver: 


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 11 23:16:47 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:16:47 -0400
Subject: Disk Druid / linux fdisk warning
Message-ID: <40F1CA5F.3050006@onlink.net>

When I use Disk Druid, just before I start partitioning, I get the 
following message:

Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that another 
paritioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it 
didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignore, but 
ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders.

Similarly, with linux fdisk I get:

The number of cylinders is set to 2654. There is nothing wrong with 
that, but it is larger than 1024, and could in certain setupscause 
problems with
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g. old versions of LILO)
2) booting or partitioning software from other OSs (e.g. DOS fdisk, OS/2 
fdisk),

Should I do anything about this? I have been doing a lot of loading of 
various flavours of redhat-type and debian-type OSs (live and installed) 
lately. I wonder if I've pooched something...

Chris

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 01:35:38 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:35:38 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <200407112135.38269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 11, 2004 02:32 am, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

> imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
> a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
> usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right? ?While I was
> able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
> doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
> different subnet.

Does this mean that you have a static IP?  If you have a static IP can you let 
us know what it is, that may not lead anywhere but who knows ... if you don't 
want to mail your IP to the list perhaps mail it privately or just let us 
know the subnet.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 04:12:24 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:12:24 -0400
Subject: Disk Druid / linux fdisk warning
In-Reply-To: <40F1CA5F.3050006-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F1CA5F.3050006@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40F20FA8.90709@truxtar.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi Chris,

I have been receiving this message since forever, and I have never had
any problem besides the annoying error message. I think that as long as
you keep old operating systems like Windows 98 on the first partition,
you should be fine.

I am no expert on partition tables, so someone correct me if I am wrong,
but here is the explanation I see:

The old scheme to specify the start of a partition used
cylinder/block/head (or something like that), and they were all limited
to a certain ranges (1024 I think). When HDs got too big for this
scheme, they started using LBA and which uses block numbers for access.
Some partitioning tools may be trying to use the old system with new
disks (my fdisk reports 155000+ cylinders on an 80GB HD!) I don't know
if it's an error, or just the software trying to cope with large disks.

Chris Aitken wrote:
> When I use Disk Druid, just before I start partitioning, I get the
> following message:
>
> Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that another
> paritioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it
> didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignore, but
> ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders.
>
> Similarly, with linux fdisk I get:
>
> The number of cylinders is set to 2654. There is nothing wrong with
> that, but it is larger than 1024, and could in certain setupscause
> problems with
> 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g. old versions of LILO)
> 2) booting or partitioning software from other OSs (e.g. DOS fdisk, OS/2
> fdisk),
>
> Should I do anything about this? I have been doing a lot of loading of
> various flavours of redhat-type and debian-type OSs (live and installed)
> lately. I wonder if I've pooched something...
>
> Chris

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 05:00:44 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:00:44 -0400
Subject: Disk Druid / linux fdisk warning
In-Reply-To: <40F20FA8.90709-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F1CA5F.3050006@onlink.net> <40F20FA8.90709@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <20040712050043.GE28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:12:24AM -0400, Anton Markov wrote:
> The old scheme to specify the start of a partition used
> cylinder/block/head (or something like that), and they were all limited
> to a certain ranges (1024 I think). When HDs got too big for this
> scheme, they started using LBA and which uses block numbers for access.
> Some partitioning tools may be trying to use the old system with new
> disks (my fdisk reports 155000+ cylinders on an 80GB HD!) I don't know
> if it's an error, or just the software trying to cope with large disks.

Aye, it is.  And what the error messages pasted below are saying is that
OLD versions of various fdisk and bootloaders do NOT understand the newer
schemes.  Recent software (the stuff you're using, apparently) does
in fact understand it.  Just don't go trying RH5, okay?  ;)

> 
> Chris Aitken wrote:
> > When I use Disk Druid, just before I start partitioning, I get the
> > following message:
> >
> > Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that another
> > paritioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it
> > didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignore, but
> > ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders.
> >
> > Similarly, with linux fdisk I get:
> >
> > The number of cylinders is set to 2654. There is nothing wrong with
> > that, but it is larger than 1024, and could in certain setupscause
> > problems with
> > 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g. old versions of LILO)
> > 2) booting or partitioning software from other OSs (e.g. DOS fdisk, OS/2
> > fdisk),
> >
> > Should I do anything about this? I have been doing a lot of loading of
> > various flavours of redhat-type and debian-type OSs (live and installed)
> > lately. I wonder if I've pooched something...

No, just Windows pooching things by writing silly numbers.  It's not at
all backwards compatible with itself.  ;)

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 05:12:07 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:12:07 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 
Message-ID: <1089609126.8914.63.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 04:48, Robert Brockway wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to everyone (especially for reading this far!) for any help or
> > even positive thoughts.  I'm about ready to put my head through the wall
> > on this one.
> 
> Hi Marcus.  Having bizarre connectivity issues due to "Path MTU Discovery"
> has not been uncommon with DSL (although I have not seen it recently).
> I actually don't think this is your issue but it should be ruled out.
> 
> The ways to try to fix this are:
> 
> 1.  Lower the MTU on your end of the DSL link (drop to 296 as a test case
>     and then bring it up)
> 

The MTU is set to 1464 on the ppp interface.  Is that unusual?  I
changed it to 296 to see if that changed anything but it didn't.

> 2.  Turn off "Path MTU Discovery" on your end of the DSL link.

Turned it off with echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc (it was
on) but to no avail.  Do I need to restart networking for these changes
to take effect?

Thanks for the suggestions, though it looks like this isn't the issue.

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 05:15:16 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:15:16 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <000201c46730$0b751490$5b1965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000201c46730$0b751490$5b1965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: <1089609315.8914.68.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 06:15, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> Sounds like a very interesting case marcus. While at this point in time I
> don't have any positive thoughts/feedback for you, (give me some time to
> chew on it) do keep me updated on how this progresses (alamba (at) bharti
> dot com)
> 
> BTW, are you doing NAT anywhere on the way from your systems to the sites in
> question? Trace the path, even if u're not NATing maybe your ISP is?

I am running NAT, but I ruled that out by testing from the firewall
itself as well as from a laptop directly connected to the modem.  The
ISP (probably) isn't running NAT since my IP address is a legit IP
address.  They could be doing NAT, but for what reason I don't know. 
Any way to check?

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 05:18:49 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:18:49 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <20040711132837.GH10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040711132837.GH10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1089609528.8914.73.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 09:28, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> Well you seem to have tried all the obvious solutions.
> 
> What kind of firewall are you using?

The firewall is a linux box running RH9.  My tests have been done from
that box to rule out any weird NAT or firewall issues.

> 
> What MTU do you run on your DSL link?

It is set automatically to 1464.

> If the firewall is Linux, does it happen to have ECN (explicit
> congestion notification) on?  Having that on will cause weird problems
> since there are many broken routers on the Internet that do the wrong
> thing when they encounter ECN packets.
> 
> I wonder if some large chunk of the Internet is having routing issues
> that happens to cause problems, except that doesn't explain the machines
> at UoT.  Since the windows machine didn't work, that doesn't explain the
> ECN idea either.

cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn gives 0 so it's definitely not ECN. 

> 
> The symptoms certainly are confusing in your case.

I know...I'm ready to just change IPs although I'm nervous about doing
that without knowing what happened and why.  I don't want to go through
this again some time later.

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 05:23:13 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:23:13 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <200407112135.38269.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <200407112135.38269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <1089609792.8914.79.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 21:35, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On July 11, 2004 02:32 am, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> 
> > imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
> > a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
> > usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
> > able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
> > doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
> > different subnet.
> 
> Does this mean that you have a static IP?  If you have a static IP can you let 
> us know what it is, that may not lead anywhere but who knows ... if you don't 
> want to mail your IP to the list perhaps mail it privately or just let us 
> know the subnet.

Yeah, I have a static IP, if anyone would like to run some tests of
their own, email me and I'll send the specific IP.  The subnet is
209.161.204.x although the P-t-P address is 207.136.64.x.

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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 11:08:41 2004
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:08:41 -0400
Subject: To be cruel?
Message-ID: <008801c46800$9723a1c0$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

I have got a Staples customer loyalty card which means from time to time I
get mailing with "special" offers. The most recent offer is for a "Free PC
or Laptop Tune-up" which along with some hardware checks includes:

- computer virus risk analysis
- windows maintenance
- task bar clean-up
- performance recommendations

So question is do I take in my Debian based laptop, or do I take in my
Fedora based mini-tower :-) ? Also, I would wonder how many people take in
Macintoshes running OS X (read dressed up FreeBSD boxes :-) ).

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 11:41:02 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:41:02 -0400
Subject: To be cruel?
In-Reply-To: <008801c46800$9723a1c0$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
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Colin McGregor wrote:
> I have got a Staples customer loyalty card which means from time to time I
> get mailing with "special" offers. The most recent offer is for a "Free PC
> or Laptop Tune-up" which along with some hardware checks includes:
> 
> - computer virus risk analysis
> - windows maintenance
> - task bar clean-up
> - performance recommendations
> 
> So question is do I take in my Debian based laptop, or do I take in my
> Fedora based mini-tower :-) ? Also, I would wonder how many people take in
> Macintoshes running OS X (read dressed up FreeBSD boxes :-) ).

Whichever you take, make sure you do a backup first!
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From michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 14:17:12 2004
From: michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:17:12 -0500
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089609792.8914.79.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407112135.38269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
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I had a problem that was very similiar.  In my case, it was the ISP (primus).
I remember calling them after I battle with this for about a week.






At 01:23 AM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 21:35, Fraser Campbell wrote:
>> On July 11, 2004 02:32 am, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
>> 
>> > imagine why b) would be the case and, even if the server was blocked as
>> > a spam relay (which, AFAIK it isn't, and yes I've checked), those
>> > usually block at the mailer level, not the IP level, right?  While I was
>> > able to try a different IP address with my ISP (which worked great) it
>> > doesn't rule out option a) since the address was on a completely
>> > different subnet.
>> 
>> Does this mean that you have a static IP?  If you have a static IP can
you let 
>> us know what it is, that may not lead anywhere but who knows ... if you
don't 
>> want to mail your IP to the list perhaps mail it privately or just let us 
>> know the subnet.
>
>Yeah, I have a static IP, if anyone would like to run some tests of
>their own, email me and I'll send the specific IP.  The subnet is
>209.161.204.x although the P-t-P address is 207.136.64.x.
>
>Regards,
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 14:20:59 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:20:59 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
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On July 11, 2004 02:32 am, Marcus Brubaker wrote:

> Alright, I have a strange problem that I've been up against for the past
> two or three days and am running out of ideas so I figured I'd post here
> and see if anyone could help.

You aren't blocking ICMP are you?  While blocking ICMP echo requests (icmp 
type 8) is ok, blocking all ICMP types is not.  It is rather important to 
accept at least icmp types 3, 4, 11, 12.

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 15:04:18 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:04:18 -0400
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040712091712.01b0f954-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407112135.38269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
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	 <3.0.6.32.20040712091712.01b0f954@ofcp.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1089644658.8914.91.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 10:17, michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote:
> I had a problem that was very similiar.  In my case, it was the ISP (primus).
> I remember calling them after I battle with this for about a week.

Do you remember what the problem on the ISP side was?

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 15:22:43 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:22:43 -0400
Subject: Looking for part-time work
Message-ID: <40F2ACC3.6060507@295.ca>

Hi, 
 
I'm looking for part-time work in the GTA, and wondered if anyone might 
help me out.  I'd like to get hands-on work experience in order to 
further my knowledge. I am a very fast learner, reliable and 
responsible, with a detailed approach to all computer work. I've also 
built/upgraded hardware on desktops and laptops. 
 
I've been using Linux at home (Red Hat and Fedora as well as various 
Live CD's including Knoppix and Slax) for quite some time now. In 
addition, I have many years experience with windows (3.1/95/98/NT/NT 
Server/2000/XP) as well as Mac experience.
 
Please reply to me directly for a copy of my resume.
 
Thanks in advance for any help you are able to provide.
 
-Steve.
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From michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 17:57:12 2004
From: michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:57:12 -0500
Subject: Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089644658.8914.91.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <3.0.6.32.20040712091712.01b0f954@ofcp.on.ca>
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He had to flash my router.


At 11:04 AM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 10:17, michael-SDkNi8KRJFiw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org wrote:
>> I had a problem that was very similiar.  In my case, it was the ISP
(primus).
>> I remember calling them after I battle with this for about a week.
>
>Do you remember what the problem on the ISP side was?
>
>-- 
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>
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:06:00 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:06:00 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
Message-ID: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>

Hey,

Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
though.

Later


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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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Toronto, Ontario
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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:18:37 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:18:37 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089655559.22590.34.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <40F2D5FD.3020508@sympatico.ca>

Devin Whalen wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> files...or to html?

pdftohtml  -- but please note that 
the results will have all the limitations of the source file.

PDFs are [usually] searchable, and often have a table of contents which 
make them easy to browse. What type of files are you looking at?

  Stewart
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:31:19 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:31:19 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <40F2D5FD.3020508-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <40F2D5FD.3020508@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <1089657078.22590.37.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 14:18, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> Devin Whalen wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> > files...or to html?
> 
> pdftohtml  -- but please note that 
> the results will have all the limitations of the source file.
> 
> PDFs are [usually] searchable, and often have a table of contents which 
> make them easy to browse. What type of files are you looking at?
> 
>   Stewart
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Thanks,

I tried it and it worked.

PDFs are [usually] searchable, and often have a table of contents which 
> make them easy to browse. What type of files are you looking at?

Yeah, I can search for a word, but I can't click on the table of
contents and get to where I want to go.  Anyway, the program you gave me
works great, so no more problems :).  Thanks again.

Later


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Toronto, Ontario
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From arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:44:13 2004
From: arochon04-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Alain Rochon)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:44:13 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089655559.22590.34.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: 

This Windows product is not free.  I have used it to convert several files
to Word format.  From there, you can export to various types.

http://www.solidpdf.com/

Alain

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From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Devin Whalen
Sent: July 12, 2004 2:06 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html

Hey,

Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
though.

Later


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Synaptic Vision Inc
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Fax- (416) 539-8280
1179A King St. West
Toronto, Ontario
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Home-(416) 653-3982
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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:46:55 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:46:55 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089657078.22590.37.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80> <40F2D5FD.3020508@sympatico.ca> <1089657078.22590.37.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040712184655.GH28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:31:19PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
> I tried it and it worked.
> 
> PDFs are [usually] searchable, and often have a table of contents which 
> > make them easy to browse. What type of files are you looking at?
> 
> Yeah, I can search for a word, but I can't click on the table of
> contents and get to where I want to go.  Anyway, the program you gave me
> works great, so no more problems :).  Thanks again.

If you're having that problem, then either you've got old/poorly made
PDF files, or your PDF reader sucks.

And yes, KGhostView and KPDF both seem to suck.  Acrobat Reader does do
the linked bits properly, and is actually quite a bit faster than any other
PDF reader I've tried in Linux.  *shrug*

http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~burns/web/Report.pdf has internal and external
hyperlinks in it that Acrobat follows quite nicely.  It was created in LaTeX
using the hyperref package:
http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/manual.html

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:49:00 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:49:00 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089655559.22590.34.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040712184900.GI10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:06:00PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
> find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
> possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
> reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
> many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
> click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
> could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
> though.

A well made PDF allows you to just click the table of contents too.  No
tool can automatically make a PDF better if it didn't already contain
such info, and hence nothing can auto convert it to some other format
and magically give it that feature.

Lennart Sorensen
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 18:56:36 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:56:36 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <20040712184655.GH28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <40F2D5FD.3020508@sympatico.ca> <1089657078.22590.37.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040712184655.GH28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1089658596.22590.48.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 14:46, Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:31:19PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > I tried it and it worked.
> > 
> > PDFs are [usually] searchable, and often have a table of contents which 
> > > make them easy to browse. What type of files are you looking at?
> > 
> > Yeah, I can search for a word, but I can't click on the table of
> > contents and get to where I want to go.  Anyway, the program you gave me
> > works great, so no more problems :).  Thanks again.
> 
> If you're having that problem, then either you've got old/poorly made
> PDF files, or your PDF reader sucks.
> 
> And yes, KGhostView and KPDF both seem to suck.  Acrobat Reader does do
> the linked bits properly, and is actually quite a bit faster than any other
> PDF reader I've tried in Linux.  *shrug*
> 
> http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~burns/web/Report.pdf has internal and external
> hyperlinks in it that Acrobat follows quite nicely.  It was created in LaTeX
> using the hyperref package:
> http://www.tug.org/applications/hyperref/manual.html

Hey,

If you're having that problem, then either you've got old/poorly made
> PDF files, or your PDF reader sucks.

Is there any Linux PDF viewer that does render the links properly?

I just tried gv and it seems a lot better than xpdf.  Not as great as
when I converted the file to html, but the page numbers actually
correspond to page number in the table of contents (unlike in xpdf where
I was on page 93 but what was actually page 30 or something in the table
of contents.).  I haven't actually tried it in Adobe Acrobat so maybe
the table of contents is not clickable (is that a word?) because the
file sucks?  I will try that out when I get a chance.

Thanks.


Later


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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:03:45 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:03:45 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <20040712184900.GI10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040712184900.GI10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1089659025.22590.53.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 14:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:06:00PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> > files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
> > find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
> > possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
> > reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
> > many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
> > click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
> > could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
> > though.
> 
> A well made PDF allows you to just click the table of contents too.  No
> tool can automatically make a PDF better if it didn't already contain
> such info, and hence nothing can auto convert it to some other format
> and magically give it that feature.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen
> --

I just tried it in Adobe Acrobat and it was fine.  If I click on a table
of contents entry I am whisked away to that page.  So, it seems that it
is the pdf viewers I use on linux and not the pdf file itself :(.

Later



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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:14:49 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:14:49 -0400
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089659025.22590.53.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040712184900.GI10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1089659025.22590.53.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <1089659689.22590.58.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 15:03, Devin Whalen wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 14:49, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:06:00PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> > > files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
> > > find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
> > > possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
> > > reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
> > > many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
> > > click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
> > > could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
> > > though.
> > 
> > A well made PDF allows you to just click the table of contents too.  No
> > tool can automatically make a PDF better if it didn't already contain
> > such info, and hence nothing can auto convert it to some other format
> > and magically give it that feature.
> > 
> > Lennart Sorensen
> > --
> 
> I just tried it in Adobe Acrobat and it was fine.  If I click on a table
> of contents entry I am whisked away to that page.  So, it seems that it
> is the pdf viewers I use on linux and not the pdf file itself :(.
> 
> Later

Sorry for sending so many emails regarding this stupid question I had.
But I wanted to send one more stupid email to end off the thread.  I
found out you can get Acrobat Reader for Linux. I downloaded it and it
works great.  All hyperlinks work fine.  Makes for much easier reading
:).  Thanks for everybody's help with this.  Just in case anyone else is
looking for it go here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html


Later


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From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:54:28 2004
From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:54:28 -0400
Subject: basic C question
Message-ID: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>

I've been struggling off and on with problems of this nature for a while.

Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.

Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
open().

Compile this code and run it.      It will write "go1" and "go2" into a file 
called bob.dat separated by a sleep of 20 sec.

Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and remove 
the bob.dat file.      The second write will still not return an error.    
ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the write() apparently quite 
happily succeeds.

The question remains how can we verify the veracity of the file descriptor we 
are about to write to before we actually allow the write to "succeed" 
regardless.

Any help appreciated.


=====================
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

main()
{
int fd;
char msg[80];
int rc;

fd=open("./bob.dat", O_RDWR | O_CREAT | O_TRUNC);

sprintf(msg,"go1\n");

rc=write(fd,msg,strlen(msg));

printf("1st write rc=%d\n",rc);

sleep(20);

sprintf(msg,"go2\n");

rc=write(fd,msg,strlen(msg));

printf("2nd write rc=%d\n",rc);
close(fd);

}
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 07:52:47 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:52:47 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
Message-ID: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net>

I have installed knoppix 3.4 to my hard drive. Looks like the answer to 
my prayers (i.e. sound works out-of-the-box). There are not many choices 
when installing to the hard drive (via sudo knoppix-installer) so I 
couldn't choose to install cups. However, the  installer did advise that 
"kdm cupsysd will start with each boot". Alas, I can't print.

When I open 'Configure-Printing Manager' I get 'Initializing Manager..' 
then:

Error - KDE Control Module
Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received for manager. 
Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server correctly 
installed and is running. Error: conection refused.

Trying to restart the Print Server I get:

Error - KDE Control Module
Unable to restart print server. Error message received for manager: 
Unable to find a running CUPS server.

Any ideas for steps to troubleshoot this? I read the man page for cupsd 
-- it's short and no help for this. It took me a few days to get 
registered on the Agnula users list -- now I'm switching to knoppix live 
3.4 (hard disk install) so I'll hunt for a  users list for that OS. I 
would, however, like to print something tonight to my epson stylus c84 
if I can.

At one point I was actuaklly able to create the icon for my printer 
(correctly detected) -- but it disappeared without doint a successful 
test print.

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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:55:29 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
> previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.

In normal operation, there is no way that can happen.

> Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
> that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
> open().

An inode which is currently open *can't* be removed.  An inode exists
until the last directory entry for it goes away *and* the last descriptor
open on it goes away. 

> Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and remove 
> the bob.dat file.      The second write will still not return an error.    
> ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the write() apparently quite 
> happily succeeds.

The file's directory entry is gone, but the file still exists.  It will
cease to exist only when the descriptor is closed.  It no longer has a
*name*, and there's no way it can acquire one, but the file itself is
still there.  The write appears to succeed because it *did* succeed --
the data was written successfully to the now-anonymous file.

If you write something rather larger to the file, and use "df" to watch
the free space on the filesystem, you will see the space being used up as
the file grows, and then released when the descriptor is closed and the
file dies. 

                                                          Henry Spencer
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From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:55:17 2004
From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:55:17 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: 

Hi.

Sorry for the triviality of this question, but as long as a process
has a file open, doesn't it have access to it?  Even if the file
reference in the directory has been removed?

I don't think removing a file using "rm" actually removes the file
descriptor.  You're only removing an entry in the directory file that
points to the inode.  The file descriptor is still valid until your
program closes the file.

pm

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:02:03 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:02:03 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: <20040712200203.GI28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:54:28PM -0400, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> I've been struggling off and on with problems of this nature for a while.
> 
> Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
> previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.

One would assume that the write call would return some kind of error,
though I'm not sure how an inode can 'disappear' like that.  (see below)

> Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
> that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
> open().
> 
> Compile this code and run it.      It will write "go1" and "go2" into a file 
> called bob.dat separated by a sleep of 20 sec.
> 
> Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and remove 
> the bob.dat file.  

So you've removed the reference to bob.dat from the current directory...

> The second write will still not return an error.    
> ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the write() apparently quite 
> happily succeeds.

Of course it does.  Your program still has an active reference to the file
in question; the space has not been deallocated, nor has the inode been recycled.

> The question remains how can we verify the veracity of the file descriptor we 
> are about to write to before we actually allow the write to "succeed" 
> regardless.

As I said above, there's nothing wrong with this.  I've heard of this being done
for programs which want some limited modicum of security (the file still hits disk,
but at least you can't access it via filesystem calls after it's been unlinked,
and assuming that the fs' metadata is properly flushed after the unlink, the file
will still not appear if a hard crash is encountered).  Security by obscurity, yes.
But it is pretty obscure.  ;)

You might try the 'stat' syscall on the handle to determine how many references
the inode has, or stat where you think the file should be and compare inodes
(though this second method has the problem of incorreclty detecting a moved
file as a deleted file).

See "man 2 fstat".  I personally suspect that the st_nlink field will be 0 after
you unlink the file.

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From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:03:35 2004
From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice)
Date: 12 Jul 2004 16:03:35 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: 

fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org writes:
> Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
> previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.
> 
> Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
> that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
> open().

That is a feature of Unix, actually.  The file still exists and takes up disk
space until all file descriptors to a file are closed.

Some options for you are:

1. use fstat(2) with the file descriptor and see if the returned structure
   notices that the inode is gone.  I haven't tested this.  I don't know if
   it'll work.

2. try and reopen the file once in a while to see if it has been deleted or
   renamed.

HTH,
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:13:12 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:13:12 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: <20040712201312.GJ10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:54:28PM -0400, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> I've been struggling off and on with problems of this nature for a while.
> 
> Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
> previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.
> 
> Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
> that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
> open().
> 
> Compile this code and run it.      It will write "go1" and "go2" into a file 
> called bob.dat separated by a sleep of 20 sec.
> 
> Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and remove 
> the bob.dat file.      The second write will still not return an error.    
> ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the write() apparently quite 
> happily succeeds.
> 
> The question remains how can we verify the veracity of the file descriptor we 
> are about to write to before we actually allow the write to "succeed" 
> regardless.
> 
> Any help appreciated.

The file is not actually removed until all handles to it are closed.
The entry is removed from the directory so there is no way anyone else
can open that inode, but your program keeps access to that inode until
it closes the file.

If you want to check if the file you have open has been deleted, you
probably have to check the directory contents, or open the file a second
time.  You could always close and reopen the file between writes (open
in no create mode to no make a new file).

Lennart Sorensen
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From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:25:11 2004
From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:11 -0400
Subject: July TLUG meeting?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040711180521.J23495@leftmind.net> 
Message-ID: 

What about a swap meet?

pm

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From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:27:22 2004
From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:27:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Converting .pdf to .chm or .html
In-Reply-To: <1089655559.22590.34.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089655559.22590.34.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a program that converts pdf files to chm
> files...or to html?  I know you can go the other way but I can't seem to
> find anything that does what I want.  For some reason this doesn't sound
> possible to me but I figured I would ask just in case :).  I just hate
> reading large documents in pdf format because you have to scroll through
> many pages to get where you want whereas with html or chm files you can
> click on the table of contents and quickly get where you want.  This
> could be a windows or Linux based program....preferably Linux based
> though.

And in case you (or anyone else on the list) needs an industrial strength
solution to this problem, a quick plug for my employer, Exegenix
(http://www.exegenix.com), which is in the Document Conversion business.
You can even submit test documents through the web site and see how they
turn out.

Alex


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From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:53:57 2004
From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:53:57 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net> 
Message-ID: <20040712205356.GA13290@lupus.perlwolf.com>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 04:03:35PM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
> fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org writes:
> > Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was 
> > previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.
> > 
> > Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply  
> > that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful 
> > open().
> 
> That is a feature of Unix, actually.  The file still exists and takes up disk
> space until all file descriptors to a file are closed.
> 
> Some options for you are:
> 
> 1. use fstat(2) with the file descriptor and see if the returned structure
>    notices that the inode is gone.  I haven't tested this.  I don't know if
>    it'll work.
> 
> 2. try and reopen the file once in a while to see if it has been deleted or
>    renamed.

Of course, even if you do verify that the inode is still
referenced by the original directory entry, you have no
way to ensure that it will remain so.

There will be 3 different events:

1. your program tests that the file is "really still there"

2. your program writes the data

3. your program or some other program tries to read the data back

While you can detect whether some outside agency removed
the original file as event 1, that provides no assurance
that the outside agency is running a bit slow today and
doesn't get around to deleting the file until a bit later,
either before event 2 or 3 (or even later, which you
probably wouldn't mind).

If keeping the file around until event 3 is important, you
have to use other means to ensure it.  That can require
having your C program run with ts own account and use
the permissions system to prevent any outside agency from
removing the file; or, if it is a part of the same program
suite that must also remove the file, then use locking to
prevent removal when the file is still is use.


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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:31:10 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:31:10 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F2434F.4040706-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>

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Hi Chris,

It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
it by executing "cupsd" as root, and see if it runs. If there are no
errors, try opening a browser and going to "http://localhost:631" to
access the Cups web-based configuration. If it works, you can use that
to set up without using the KDE printer configuration (if you have to).

Chris Aitken wrote:
> I have installed knoppix 3.4 to my hard drive. Looks like the answer to
> my prayers (i.e. sound works out-of-the-box). There are not many choices
> when installing to the hard drive (via sudo knoppix-installer) so I
> couldn't choose to install cups. However, the  installer did advise that
> "kdm cupsysd will start with each boot". Alas, I can't print.
>
> When I open 'Configure-Printing Manager' I get 'Initializing Manager..'
> then:
>
> Error - KDE Control Module
> Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received for manager.
> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server correctly
> installed and is running. Error: conection refused.
>
> Trying to restart the Print Server I get:
>
> Error - KDE Control Module
> Unable to restart print server. Error message received for manager:
> Unable to find a running CUPS server.
>
> Any ideas for steps to troubleshoot this? I read the man page for cupsd
> -- it's short and no help for this. It took me a few days to get
> registered on the Agnula users list -- now I'm switching to knoppix live
> 3.4 (hard disk install) so I'll hunt for a  users list for that OS. I
> would, however, like to print something tonight to my epson stylus c84
> if I can.

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From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 20:58:59 2004
From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:58:59 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712201312.GJ10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net> <20040712201312.GJ10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040712205526.6F4135F86@outbox.allstream.net>

OK but my real problem is not with a file but rather a named pipe or fifo.    
The file example was my attempt to "simplify" my real problem.

Once again if process A (the reader) creates the named pipe and process B 
(the writer) opens a file descriptor to that pipe there appears to be no way 
to detect that process A (the reader) has vanished.    ie. the write() will 
always succeed.

Nuts.

Interestingly there is an EPIPE error on a write() which is supposed to come 
up for exactly this condition but it never does.

Presumably the kernel maintains info about exactly how many processes have 
open file descriptors.     

Is there any way to use that to detect this condition?    or am I going to 
have to go with some brain dead access(blah, F_OK) solution ... yuk?

Thanks for all your answers so far.

On July 12, 2004 04:13 pm, you wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:54:28PM -0400, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> > I've been struggling off and on with problems of this nature for a while.
> >
> > Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which was
> > previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.
> >
> > Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite
> > simply that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a
> > successful open().
> >
> > Compile this code and run it.      It will write "go1" and "go2" into a
> > file called bob.dat separated by a sleep of 20 sec.
> >
> > Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and
> > remove the bob.dat file.      The second write will still not return an
> > error. ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the write()
> > apparently quite happily succeeds.
> >
> > The question remains how can we verify the veracity of the file
> > descriptor we are about to write to before we actually allow the write to
> > "succeed" regardless.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
>
> The file is not actually removed until all handles to it are closed.
> The entry is removed from the directory so there is no way anyone else
> can open that inode, but your program keeps access to that inode until
> it closes the file.
>
> If you want to check if the file you have open has been deleted, you
> probably have to check the directory contents, or open the file a second
> time.  You could always close and reopen the file between writes (open
> in no create mode to no make a new file).
>
> Lennart Sorensen
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 08:55:32 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:55:32 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F2F50E.304-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net>

Anton Markov wrote:

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>Hi Chris,
>
>It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
>it by executing "cupsd" as root,
>
OK -- done.

> and see if it runs. If there are no
>errors, try opening a browser and going to "http://localhost:631" to
>access the Cups web-based configuration.
>
I see the printer -- and it thinks it sent a test page -- but nothing 
coming out of the printer.


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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 21:23:23 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:23:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712205526.6F4135F86-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712205526.6F4135F86@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> Once again if process A (the reader) creates the named pipe and process B 
> (the writer) opens a file descriptor to that pipe there appears to be no way 
> to detect that process A (the reader) has vanished.    ie. the write() will 
> always succeed.

It shouldn't; normally, the writing program will get blown away by a SIGPIPE
signal in that case.

However, you have to be careful about some details.  Notably, the writing
program must open it for writing *ONLY*.  If it opens it for both read and
write, then the fifo *is* open for reading even with no other process
involved, and so there's nothing wrong with doing a write() to it.

(It is actually possible, although rarely sensible, for the same program
to both read and write a fifo.)

Similarly, if any of the programs involved is using fork() and suchlike,
remember that fork() duplicates all file descriptors, so some uninvolved
process may still have a copy of that file descriptor.  (This is a classic
mistake in using regular pipes.)

                                                          Henry Spencer
                                                       henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org


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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 19:54:40 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:54:40 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net>
Message-ID: <20040712195440.GA1994@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:54:28PM -0400, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> I've been struggling off and on with problems of this nature for a
> while.
> 
> Essentially the problem is how to detect that a file descriptor which
> was previously successfully opened no longer points to a valid inode.
> 
> Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite
> simply  that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a
> successful open().
> 
> Compile this code and run it.      It will write "go1" and "go2" into
> a file called bob.dat separated by a sleep of 20 sec.
> 
> Repeat the test,  but after the first write go to another console and
> remove the bob.dat file.      The second write will still not return
> an error.    ie. file it is supposedly writing to is gone but the
> write() apparently quite happily succeeds.
> 
> The question remains how can we verify the veracity of the file
> descriptor we are about to write to before we actually allow the write
> to "succeed" regardless.

My understanding is that inode does not get removed if it's still being
used.  So, the name 'bob.dat' is unlinked and no longer exist.  But, the
file (ie. inode that was file 'bob.dat') still exist, and will be
removed after your program exits.

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 12 23:41:05 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: July TLUG meeting?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040711180521.J23495@leftmind.net>
 
 
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Paul Mora wrote:

> What about a swap meet?

Sounds good.  Let's make it a swap meet and a Q&A session.

Bring those sound cards and those hard questions!

Rob

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From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 00:53:53 2004
From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:53:53 -0400
Subject: Damian Conway talks (last reminder) -- note new location!
Message-ID: <40F332A1.60907@pobox.com>

Hello again, everyone...

This is the final summary announcement regarding the Damian Conway free 
public Perl talks, to be given in Toronto beginning in less than a week. 
Authoritative information and expanded details regarding Damian's talks 
can be found at:

      http://to.pm.org/damian/

Note that one of the previously announced locations has changed.  (See 
below.)

Who is Damian?
--------------

Damian is a world-wide expert on the Perl programming language, the #2 
man in the Perl 6 design team, and an excellent, entertaining and 
mind-expanding public and technical speaker.  He is a fixture at IT and 
Perl conferences and tours the world to give free public talks about Perl.

Talk Details, Summarized
------------------------

     'Perl 6 Update' -- the (semi) serious talk
     ---------------
     When:   Sat 17 July 2004, 4pm - 730pm
*** New Location ! ***
     Where:  Rm # 1105
             Sandford Fleming Building, 10 King's College Circle
                    (n. of College, 1/2 way between University and
                     Spadina)
             University of Toronto (downtown St. George campus)

     'Small Miracles' -- the (semi) insane talk
     ----------------
     When:   Mon 19 July 2004, 4pm - 730pm
     Where:  Rm # S1208
             Stephen E Quinlan Bldg., 70 The Pond Road
                    (w. of Keele, nearer to Finch than Steeles)
             Seneca @ York, York University campus

Donations
---------

Donations are still gratefully accepted!  These help cover the costs of 
Damian's trip to Toronto and to provide a small honorarium for his 2 
talks in the city, to help him continue his excellent work for the Perl 
community.  See the above URL for details on how to donate.

Thanks for all your support, and I hope to see a lot of you there.  It 
should be great fun!

Cheers,
Richard
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From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 02:09:20 2004
From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:09:20 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040712200203.GI28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>; from taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org on Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 04:02:03PM -0400
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net> <20040712200203.GI28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040712220920.N23495@leftmind.net>

Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:54:28PM -0400, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> > Here is some code which uses a standard file which illustrates quite simply
> > that write() will not fail when the inode is removed after a successful
> > open().
>
>  ...  I've heard of this being done for programs which want some
> limited modicum of security (the file still hits disk, but at least you
> can't access it via filesystem calls after it's been unlinked,

More classically it gets done for temporary files; you create a new file,
open read-write, and immediately unlink() it.  You can continue using
that file descriptor for the remainder of your program, and you're
guaranteed (modulo strange crash modes) that the temporary space goes
away when you exit.  This saves having to try to trap all signals and
exits points and try to clean up at each and every one, even while still
having to concede that SIGKILL keeps you from cleaning up in that case. 
The only real window of leaving the file laying around is right after
creating it, while it's still empty.

Granted, nowadays a programmer is more likely to just declare or malloc
a huge array, and do it all in virtual memory.

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From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 02:14:39 2004
From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:14:39 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:55:29PM -0400
References: <20040712194459.1B2D61EC43A@outbox.allstream.net> 
Message-ID: <20040712221439.O23495@leftmind.net>

Henry Spencer wrote:
>  [ file unlinked but still open by a running process ]
>
> The file's directory entry is gone, but the file still exists.  It will
> cease to exist only when the descriptor is closed.  It no longer has a
> *name*, and there's no way it can acquire one, but the file itself is
> still there.  The write appears to succeed because it *did* succeed --
> the data was written successfully to the now-anonymous file.

On traditional Unix, I believe your options would be quite limited, but
I found some years ago on a Linux box on which somebody's misbegotten
log-rotation script had blown away the logfiles currently being written
by httpd, that I could copy the logs from /proc/NNNN/fd/XX, where NNNN
was httpd's pid and XX was the fd on which the log was open.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 02:16:59 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:16:59 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com> <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net>

Chris Aitken wrote:

> Anton Markov wrote:

>> 
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
>> it by executing "cupsd" as root,
>>
> OK -- done.
>
>> and see if it runs. If there are no
>> errors, try opening a browser and going to "http://localhost:631" to
>> access the Cups web-based configuration.
>>
> I see the printer -- and it thinks it sent a test page -- but nothing 
> coming out of the printer.
>
>  

I ran a printer self-test -- the printer itself is OK.

Chris


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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 02:23:17 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:23:17 -0400
Subject: GTK themes and Firefox
Message-ID: <20040712222317.04b66975.joehill@sympatico.ca>


Love the Firefox browser, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out how
to get it to 'obey' GTK/GTK2 themes. The buttons are themed properly, but not
the menus.

Any ideas appreciated!

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 02:28:10 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:28:10 -0400
Subject: GTK themes and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <20040712222317.04b66975.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712222317.04b66975.joehill@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <40F348BA.2010501@truxtar.com>

I believe that the new 0.9x release has fixes to address that very issue.

JoeHill wrote:
> Love the Firefox browser, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out how
> to get it to 'obey' GTK/GTK2 themes. The buttons are themed properly, but not
> the menus.
> 
> Any ideas appreciated!
> 

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 04:15:35 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:15:35 -0400
Subject: Security hole in Mozilla
In-Reply-To: <40EFF1D8.6080409-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <40EFF1D8.6080409@canada.com>
Message-ID: <40F361E7.5030406@sympatico.ca>

Gilles Fourchet wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> FYI, there is a hole of Security in the Mozilla products (Mozilla, 
> Firefox and Thinderbird) for those of us who are using it on Windows 
> (shame on us :-) ). 


or really, for those Windoze bound friends to whom we have introduced 
the lizard.
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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 03:30:09 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:30:09 +0800
Subject: top problem
Message-ID: <200407131130.09547.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

hi i tried top in 1 of my boxes and got this as a result..

 11:27am  up 272 days, 12:19,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.03
426 processes: 425 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU0 states: 10.0% user, 90.0% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
Floating point exception


after this result top exits

"Floating point exception" ? is it because my box is running 400++ processes?


TIA

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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 03:37:30 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:37:30 -0400
Subject: GTK themes and Firefox
In-Reply-To: <40F348BA.2010501-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040712222317.04b66975.joehill@sympatico.ca>
	<40F348BA.2010501@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <20040712233730.7b8865e9.joehill@sympatico.ca>

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:28:10 -0400
Anton Markov disseminated the following:

> I believe that the new 0.9x release has fixes to address that very issue.

Off to upgrade. Thanks!

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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 03:51:12 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:51:12 -0400
Subject: Proposal for a Key Signing Party
In-Reply-To:  
References:  <20040628022930.434323FF9@cbbrowne.com>
 
Message-ID: <20040713035112.49A023FC8@cbbrowne.com>

> > participate should send their public keys to the organizer so that the
> > organizer can put together a nice list so as to make it easy for
> > everyone to verify their identities the day of the Party.
> 
> I'll leave it in your capable hands...

Well, I'm feeling mite "undercapable" this week; it has been _way_ too
busy lately.

It is always worth looking at a "key signing party guide" such as the
following:

  

If we were to have 30 people trying to sign each others' keys, this
mandates a maximum of efficiency of procedure.

Alas, thus far, the largest number of people I have seen interested in
key exchanges at any given time has been 3.  (Myself, Drew Sullivan, and
Kristopher Coward...)

It's not worth doing too much centralized effort to handle this if there
are only a few people likely to participate.  

There's probably room for there to be a meeting that has talk doing an
overview of cryptographic matters followed by a "mass" key-signing.
Good questions to answer would be:

 - What is GPG?
 - How does it differ from PGP?
 - What good are digital signatures?
 - What good _aren't_ digital signatures?  (e.g. - what are the
   conspicuous limitations?)
 - Shouldn't we just be using public key encryption for everything?
 - What about AES?  Blowfish?  Twofish?  Who cares?

The alternative that we can _always_ do is for interested parties to put
together their own "GPG cards," which collect the vital information, and
make it easy for others to sign them.

I generally carry around a few such cards, which essentially read as
follows:

pub  1024D/6AA6A713 2002-03-14 Christopher B. Browne 
     Key fingerprint = A525 A16B 8635 51A0 AE33  11D6 37B8 5950 6AA6 A713
uid                            Christopher B. Browne 
sub  2048g/6F31906A 2002-03-14

I extracted that using the command:

% gpg --list-keys --fingerprint cbbrowne

The process is then that anyone wishing to sign my key will get the
card, from me, and then verify, against a couple pieces of ID, that I
can actually legitimately call myself by that name.  They can mark, on
the card, whatever they wish concerning what ID they checked.

Anyone wanting me to sign their key will give me their card, and I can
see about checking ID, and may, when I return home, sign their key, and
submit it to them and/or a public key server such as wwwkeys.nl.pgp.net.

No need for a special meeting; ought to be doable just about any time

I printed up my cards using gLabel ;
others may wish to use other software...

Here's my gLabel document...



  
  
    
      pub  1024D/6AA6A713 2002-03-14 
    
    
      Christopher B. Browne <cbbrowne-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org>
    
    
      Key fingerprint = A525 A16B 8635 51A0 AE33  11D6 37B8 5950 6AA6 A713sub  2048g/6F31906A 2002-0
3-14
    
  
  


Attached is a .png of it...

I just printed off a sheet of 10 such "business cards;" feel free to
bring yours, as well as a piece or two of official photo ID (ideally,
passport + something else), and be a little early.

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From chuckw-lrwSPXAIdEw7YuNMryXyOw at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul  8 04:50:04 2004
From: chuckw-lrwSPXAIdEw7YuNMryXyOw at public.gmane.org (Chuck Wolber)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 21:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Gateway AntiVirus Protection
In-Reply-To: <40E9C335.6060307-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <40E9C335.6060307@telus.net>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Grecko wrote:

> Hey all, I'm doing a science project on protecting a network with a 
> windows gateway, and one of the things I am trying to do is to have the 
> gateway intercept all HTTP requests, download the content requested, run 
> a virus scanner over it, and then if its clean, passing it on to the 
> client, or, if it contains a virus, passing a different page onto the 
> client. Is there a program that will do this, or something close enough 
> to this that a person with little programming knowledge could hack the 
> program to do this? Thanks! Grecko

Yes, you want to take a look at Squid: http://www.squid-cache.org/

-Chuck



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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 03:58:17 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:58:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FC2/Sound Blaster Live! (emu10k1) problem
Message-ID: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com>

Hi all,

  Forgive me up front for not being as detailed as I normally try to be. I
am trying to help a friend out who has just switched to Linux (Fedora
Core 2). So far it's been a pretty pain-free experience -but- her audio
is a little messed up which I am hoping someone else has come across and
fixed because Google is failing me at the moment.

  She has an ASUS mainboard with an Athlon 800 CPU and a PCI SB Live!
sound card. The sound -works- in that the sound card detection plays the
test sound and she can play videos and music but she can't open the
mixer. When she tries to right-click on the volume control and select
"Open Volume Control" it prints the error: "Sorry, no mixer element
and/or devices found". This means that things like being able to mute,
mouse ver the volume control and adjust the volume with the mouse scroll
wheel and such doesn't work.

  Anyone seen this or might have a tip of where I should look? Thanks!!

Madison

PS - Sorry for particularly bad spelling and grammer, I am quite tired at
the moment and not really seeing straight. :p
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From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 05:18:35 2004
From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:18:35 -0400
Subject: FC2/Sound Blaster Live! (emu10k1) problem
In-Reply-To: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org>
References: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040713051835.GN15948@butters.WorkGroup>

My experience with Fedora was that it defaulted to strict permissions to
/dev/* When the user does not have permission to the components, for
example /dev/mixer, Redhat outputs the squirrelly error message. Have a
look at the permissions in /dev and change them if necessary. I usually
create an audio group that has permissions to the device and then add
the users to the group. 


On 23:58 Mon 12 Jul     , linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote:
>   She has an ASUS mainboard with an Athlon 800 CPU and a PCI SB Live!
> sound card. The sound -works- in that the sound card detection plays the
> test sound and she can play videos and music but she can't open the
> mixer. When she tries to right-click on the volume control and select
> "Open Volume Control" it prints the error: "Sorry, no mixer element
> and/or devices found". This means that things like being able to mute,
> mouse ver the volume control and adjust the volume with the mouse scroll
> wheel and such doesn't work.
> 
>   Anyone seen this or might have a tip of where I should look? Thanks!!
> 
> Madison
> 
> PS - Sorry for particularly bad spelling and grammer, I am quite tired at
> the moment and not really seeing straight. :p
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 06:58:42 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:58:42 +0100
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F3461B.2080209-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net>
	<40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>
	<40F25204.7040804@onlink.net>
	<40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus>

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:16:59 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> Chris Aitken wrote:
> 
> > Anton Markov wrote:
> 
> >> 
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
> >> it by executing "cupsd" as root,
> >>
> > OK -- done.
> >
> >> and see if it runs. If there are no
> >> errors, try opening a browser and going to "http://localhost:631" to
> >> access the Cups web-based configuration.
> >>
> > I see the printer -- and it thinks it sent a test page -- but nothing 
> > coming out of the printer.
> >
> >  
> 
> I ran a printer self-test -- the printer itself is OK.
> 
> Chris
> 

Did you try going through the printer config wizard ? It's listed under the Knoppix directory. 

FAQ's are here 

http://www.knoppix.org/

John 

 
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From Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 12:02:48 2004
From: Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org (Lance Nichols)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:02:48 -0400
Subject: relatively inexpensive PC Card (PCMCIA) wireless NIC
In-Reply-To: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias-Ida6Ik9yc6yFX2APIN6yfw@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407100958.59952.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>
Message-ID: <200407130802.57757.Ozymandias@pt-cruiser.net>

Many thanks to those who replied. It looks like I will have to go shopping 
while I am down there as I did not have the chance to go out this weekend and 
do some hunting for any of the suggested cards.

Lance Nichols

On Saturday 10 July 2004 09:58, Lance Nichols wrote:
> I am traveling to the US starting early next week and the hotel the company
> has booked me into seems to only offer wireless internet access. The Dell
> c640 I have (company supplied dual booting between company Windows image
> and PRO SUSE 9.1 image) was never equipped with the wireless card.
>
> So, rather then pony up the costs to rent a NIC daily, which may not work
> in linux, I am looking to grab one quickly before I head south. Advantage
> of this would be I could then use it @ home on my wireless network as well
> when I get back....
>
> So, does anyone have any good suggestions for inexpensive (<$60) wireless
> NICs that are "garenteed" to run on this system?
>
> Lance
>
> PS, thanks for the input for a first time poster.
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 00:11:42 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:11:42 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <20040713075842.1500f2c5-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net>	<40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>	<40F25204.7040804@onlink.net>	<40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net> <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40F328BE.6080307@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:

> 
>
>Did you try going through the printer config wizard ? It's listed under the Knoppix directory. 
>  
>
Yes -- that is what I have been using throughout. I should have 
indicated that.

>FAQ's are here 
>
>http://www.knoppix.org/
>  
>
OK, I'll have a look. I may need to read a doc on installing/configuring 
cups in debian.

Chris

>John 
>
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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 11:24:34 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FC2/Sound Blaster Live! (emu10k1) problem
In-Reply-To: <20040713051835.GN15948-y6Pr2RmEDtOJK1hZEW34O3gSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
References: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> 
     <20040713051835.GN15948@butters.WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <32794.65.94.53.139.1089717874.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com>

Hi,

  Ah! That was such a good idea as soon as I read it as I read it I
thought that was it but no... '/dev/mixer' is owned by this user and
regardless I set the permission to 666 (cwr-wr-wr-) and it doesn't work
still.

  Thanks though!

Madison

> My experience with Fedora was that it defaulted to strict permissions to
> /dev/* When the user does not have permission to the components, for
> example /dev/mixer, Redhat outputs the squirrelly error message. Have a
> look at the permissions in /dev and change them if necessary. I usually
> create an audio group that has permissions to the device and then add
> the users to the group.
>
>
> On 23:58 Mon 12 Jul     , linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote:
>>   She has an ASUS mainboard with an Athlon 800 CPU and a PCI SB Live!
>> sound card. The sound -works- in that the sound card detection plays the
>> test sound and she can play videos and music but she can't open the
>> mixer. When she tries to right-click on the volume control and select
>> "Open Volume Control" it prints the error: "Sorry, no mixer element
>> and/or devices found". This means that things like being able to mute,
>> mouse ver the volume control and adjust the volume with the mouse scroll
>> wheel and such doesn't work.
>>
>>   Anyone seen this or might have a tip of where I should look? Thanks!!
>>
>> Madison
>>
>> PS - Sorry for particularly bad spelling and grammer, I am quite tired
>> at
>> the moment and not really seeing straight. :p
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 13:08:30 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:08:30 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F328BE.6080307-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com> <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net> <40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net> <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus> <40F328BE.6080307@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040713130830.GK10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:11:42PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Yes -- that is what I have been using throughout. I should have 
> indicated that.
> 
> OK, I'll have a look. I may need to read a doc on installing/configuring 
> cups in debian.

Make sure you have a new enough version of gs (gs-esp generally best)
and the gimp-print plugin that actually supports the C84, as it won't
work with any other model's driver.  The cups http interface should show
Epson C84 on USB when you select the printer port during the setup, and
then you should just be able to pick the C84 from the model list in
cups, assuming it actually is new enough to support the C84.

Of course also make sure the usb drivers are loaded (usb-uhci or
usb-ohci depending on the chipset (ehci for usb2.0)).

Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 13:11:26 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:11:26 -0400
Subject: FC2/Sound Blaster Live! (emu10k1) problem
In-Reply-To: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org>
References: <32973.65.95.125.71.1089691097.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040713131126.GL10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:58:17PM -0400, linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org wrote:
>   Forgive me up front for not being as detailed as I normally try to be. I
> am trying to help a friend out who has just switched to Linux (Fedora
> Core 2). So far it's been a pretty pain-free experience -but- her audio
> is a little messed up which I am hoping someone else has come across and
> fixed because Google is failing me at the moment.
> 
>   She has an ASUS mainboard with an Athlon 800 CPU and a PCI SB Live!
> sound card. The sound -works- in that the sound card detection plays the
> test sound and she can play videos and music but she can't open the
> mixer. When she tries to right-click on the volume control and select
> "Open Volume Control" it prints the error: "Sorry, no mixer element
> and/or devices found". This means that things like being able to mute,
> mouse ver the volume control and adjust the volume with the mouse scroll
> wheel and such doesn't work.
> 
>   Anyone seen this or might have a tip of where I should look? Thanks!!

Which sound driver are you using?  emu10k1 (OSS Lite) or snd-emu10k1
(ALSA)?

ALSA is highly recomended over OSS lite.

If you are using alsa, make sure the oss emulation is enabled too, or oss
applications can't access sound, even though alsa aware applications can.

Try alsamixer or alsamixergui if you are using the alsa driver.

Lennart Sorensen
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From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 15:48:15 2004
From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:48:15 -0400
Subject: Proposal for a Key Signing Party
In-Reply-To: <20040713035112.49A023FC8-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References:  <20040628022930.434323FF9@cbbrowne.com>
  <20040713035112.49A023FC8@cbbrowne.com>
Message-ID: 

I love this idea!  I think it would work very well as a meeting on its
own, especially with the talk on encryption and GPG.

pm

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From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 16:18:10 2004
From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (Bob Findlay)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:18:10 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040713160851.3DB5B5D73@outbox.allstream.net>

Thanks.

I did some reading myself and repeated my fifo experiments with O_RDONLY and 
O_WRONLY and sure enough the SIGPIPE happens.    If you catch and ignore the 
SIGPIPE you can make the write() return a -1.

Unfortunately,  when you open a fifo O_RDONLY and the other end isn't yet 
opened for writing the open() call blocks.      This little tidbit makes a 
mess of any select() logic one wants to initialize around that file 
descriptor.

Thanks again for all your advice.

Seems like in this case you are damned if you do and damned if you don't ... 
but I'll keep plugging ...

On July 12, 2004 05:23 pm, you wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote:
> > Once again if process A (the reader) creates the named pipe and process B
> > (the writer) opens a file descriptor to that pipe there appears to be no
> > way to detect that process A (the reader) has vanished.    ie. the
> > write() will always succeed.
>
> It shouldn't; normally, the writing program will get blown away by a
> SIGPIPE signal in that case.
>
> However, you have to be careful about some details.  Notably, the writing
> program must open it for writing *ONLY*.  If it opens it for both read and
> write, then the fifo *is* open for reading even with no other process
> involved, and so there's nothing wrong with doing a write() to it.
>
> (It is actually possible, although rarely sensible, for the same program
> to both read and write a fifo.)
>
> Similarly, if any of the programs involved is using fork() and suchlike,
> remember that fork() duplicates all file descriptors, so some uninvolved
> process may still have a copy of that file descriptor.  (This is a classic
> mistake in using regular pipes.)
>
>                                                           Henry Spencer
>                                                        henry at spsystems.net
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 17:11:54 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: <20040713160851.3DB5B5D73-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040713160851.3DB5B5D73@outbox.allstream.net>
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bob Findlay wrote:
> Unfortunately,  when you open a fifo O_RDONLY and the other end isn't yet 
> opened for writing the open() call blocks.      This little tidbit makes a 
> mess of any select() logic one wants to initialize around that file 
> descriptor.

I believe you can get around that with O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK, although I can't
say I've tried it lately...  See the fifo(4) manpage.

                                                          Henry Spencer
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From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 23:31:36 2004
From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:31:36 -0400
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
Message-ID: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca>

I work for the YMCA and I have been given the task of sourcing out a 
fitness testing (exercise related) software package for use by the 
Phys-ed staff. I really would prefer a linux based solution and I was 
wondering if anybody on the list had run across this type of application 
and could point me in the right direction as I haven't as yet found 
anything suitable through Google.

TIA

John

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 00:42:26 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 13 Jul 2004 20:42:26 -0400
Subject: basic C question
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Henry Spencer  writes:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bob Findlay wrote:
> > Unfortunately,  when you open a fifo O_RDONLY and the other end isn't yet 
> > opened for writing the open() call blocks.      This little tidbit makes a 
> > mess of any select() logic one wants to initialize around that file 
> > descriptor.

Although it does make some sense.  Without this behaviour, how would you
distinguish between a read() without a writer and a read() after the writer
has closed the fifo?

> I believe you can get around that with O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK, although I can't
> say I've tried it lately...  See the fifo(4) manpage.

Yes, and you should be able to subsequently select().  I can't immediately
put my finger on documentation but I would expect a fifo opened with
O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK to become readable (according to select()) once it's been
opened (and written to) by a writer.

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 05:34:39 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:34:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: <40F470D8.6070304-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca>
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, John McGregor wrote:

> I work for the YMCA and I have been given the task of sourcing out a
> fitness testing (exercise related) software package for use by the
> Phys-ed staff. I really would prefer a linux based solution and I was
> wondering if anybody on the list had run across this type of application
> and could point me in the right direction as I haven't as yet found
> anything suitable through Google.

Have you tried www.sf.net?  I just went there and turned up a
couple of relevant results with a keyword of fitness.  Several of the
results were not relevant though :)

Rob

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 17:50:34 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:50:34 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
Message-ID: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I've noticed that occasionally mail sent from 'nouvelocity.com' gets 
bounced back with the following error. When I saw this in the past it 
was because of DNS issues but as best as I can see everything is 
working. Anyone run across this before? Thanks!!

Madison

  =- Error (names changed to protect the innocent) -=
This is the Postfix program at host domain.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

: host mail.anotherdomain.com[111.222.210.68]

said:

     553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
     user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to RCPT TO command)

: host smtp2.ns.utoronto.ca[128.100.132.58] said:

553

   5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
   user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)

  : host smtpgw1.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]

said:

      501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)

: host govonca2.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]

said:

      501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
  =- End Error -=
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 06:48:45 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:48:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: test (ignore)
Message-ID: 

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 19:29:06 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:29:06 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089527564.8914.51.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>

Well, thanks for everyones responses and suggestions.  The result is
that, finally, our ISP (Look) has admitted it is a problem on their end
and they've given us a new static IP which is working well.  What the
problem on their end was, I don't know and I'm not sure they do either. 
My hunch is some kind of broken router somewhere but that's just a
guess.  I have, however, learnt a valuable lesson lesson from all this. 
Weekend tech support people are not, generally, competent.  The people I
spoke to on Friday (when we first reported the problem) and Monday (when
it was finally resolved) were both competent and understanding.

Thanks again to everyone.

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From ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 21:08:02 2004
From: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Terry Tanski)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: top problem
In-Reply-To: <200407131130.09547.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407131130.09547.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, JM wrote:

>  11:27am  up 272 days, 12:19,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.03
> 426 processes: 425 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU0 states: 10.0% user, 90.0% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
> Floating point exception

Was this RH 7.3?

Terry

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 00:06:05 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:06:05 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <20040713075842.1500f2c5-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net>	<40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>	<40F25204.7040804@onlink.net>	<40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net> <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40F478ED.3080000@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:



>FAQ's are here 
>
>http://www.knoppix.org/
>  
>
That site is in German. However, I have joined 
debian-knoppix-MC8LlOuzQ+Zg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org and posted there.

Chris

>John 
>  
>

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From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 08:29:01 2004
From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:29:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F478ED.3080000-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>
 <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net> <40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net>
 <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus> <40F478ED.3080000@onlink.net>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:

> John Myshrall wrote:
>
> 
>
>> FAQ's are here 
>> http://www.knoppix.org/
>> 
> That site is in German. However, I have joined debian-knoppix-MC8LlOuzQ+Zg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org 
> and posted there.

    Click on the appropriate (e.g., the combined UK/US) flag.

      

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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 13:19:06 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:19:06 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
Message-ID: <1089811146.4137.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

i own a xbox and had a 120gig seagate in there. what microsoft did for
protection is lock the hard drive to go on xbox live and other things.
there was a guy in a nother newsgroup that said its possible with linux.
i dont know if any of you know how to do this?
ive started to learn linux about 2 weeks ago and am still a newbi at
this stuff so i would appretiate if someone could give a link or write a
step by step guid i have fedora core 1 right now.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 23:54:20 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:54:20 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <20040713130830.GK10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com> <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net> <40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net> <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus> <40F328BE.6080307@onlink.net> <20040713130830.GK10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <40F4762C.2030003@onlink.net>

Lennart Sorensen wrote:



>Make sure you have a new enough version of gs
>
knoppix at 0[knoppix]$ gs
ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
reserved.
This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
GS>

> (gs-esp generally best)
>  
>
knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ gs-esp
ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
reserved.
This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
GS>

>and the gimp-print plugin that actually supports the C84, as it won't
>work with any other model's driver.
>
knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ su
root at 1[knoppix]# find / -name gimp-prin*
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print-ijs.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-brightness.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-color.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-contrast.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-cyan.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-density.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-dither.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-gamma.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-imagetype.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inktype.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inputslot.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-magenta.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-mediatype.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-model.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-pagesize.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-printoutmode.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-quality.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-resolution.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-saturation.xml
/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-yellow.xml
root at 1[knoppix]#

>  The cups http interface should show
>Epson C84 on USB when you select the printer port during the setup, and
>then you should just be able to pick the C84 from the model list in
>cups, assuming it actually is new enough to support the C84.
>  
>
Printer State: idle, accepting jobs.
Device URI: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20C84

>Of course also make sure the usb drivers are loaded (usb-uhci or
>usb-ohci depending on the chipset (ehci for usb2.0)).
>
>  
>
Is that covered in the above cut & paste?

Chris


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 13 23:58:08 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:58:08 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F2F50E.304-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <40F47710.3040807@onlink.net>

Anton Markov wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
>it by executing "cupsd" as root, and see if it runs.
>
root at 0[knoppix]# su
root at 0[knoppix]# cupsd
cupsd: Child exited with status 98!
root at 0[knoppix]#

Chris


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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 13:33:27 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:33:27 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F4762C.2030003-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com> <40F25204.7040804@onlink.net> <40F3461B.2080209@onlink.net> <20040713075842.1500f2c5@pingu.opus> <40F328BE.6080307@onlink.net> <20040713130830.GK10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F4762C.2030003@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040714133327.GB27846@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:54:20PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >Make sure you have a new enough version of gs
> >
> knoppix at 0[knoppix]$ gs
> ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
> Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
> reserved.
> This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
> GS>
> 
> >(gs-esp generally best)
> > 
> >
> knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ gs-esp
> ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
> Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
> reserved.
> This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
> GS>

> >and the gimp-print plugin that actually supports the C84, as it won't
> >work with any other model's driver.
> >
> knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ su
> root at 1[knoppix]# find / -name gimp-prin*
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print-ijs.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-brightness.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-color.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-contrast.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-cyan.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-density.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-dither.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-gamma.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-imagetype.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inktype.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inputslot.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-magenta.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-mediatype.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-model.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-pagesize.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-printoutmode.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-quality.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-resolution.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-saturation.xml
> /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-yellow.xml
> root at 1[knoppix]#
> 
> > The cups http interface should show
> >Epson C84 on USB when you select the printer port during the setup, and
> >then you should just be able to pick the C84 from the model list in
> >cups, assuming it actually is new enough to support the C84.
> > 
> >
> Printer State: idle, accepting jobs.
> Device URI: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20C84
> 
> Is that covered in the above cut & paste?

Yeah I think so, given the URI.

You don't have the gimp-print version shown.  I can check which version
added C84 support.  Did you see C84 listed when you setup the printer in
cups?

Try locate -i c84|grep ppd

Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 13:36:14 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:36:14 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
In-Reply-To: <1089811146.4137.5.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089811146.4137.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040714133614.GM10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 09:19:06AM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i own a xbox and had a 120gig seagate in there. what microsoft did for
> protection is lock the hard drive to go on xbox live and other things.
> there was a guy in a nother newsgroup that said its possible with linux.
> i dont know if any of you know how to do this?
> ive started to learn linux about 2 weeks ago and am still a newbi at
> this stuff so i would appretiate if someone could give a link or write a
> step by step guid i have fedora core 1 right now.

I thought the Xbos has an 8G drive in it.

What are you trying to do?

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 13:41:16 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:41:16 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F420EA.7020008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 01:50:34PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   I've noticed that occasionally mail sent from 'nouvelocity.com' gets 
> bounced back with the following error. When I saw this in the past it 
> was because of DNS issues but as best as I can see everything is 
> working. Anyone run across this before? Thanks!!
> 
> Madison
> 
>  =- Error (names changed to protect the innocent) -=
> This is the Postfix program at host domain.com.
> 
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> 
> For further assistance, please send mail to 
> 
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
> 
> The Postfix program
> 
> : host mail.anotherdomain.com[111.222.210.68]
> 
> said:
> 
>     553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
>     user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to RCPT TO command)
> 
> : host smtp2.ns.utoronto.ca[128.100.132.58] said:
> 
> 553
> 
>   5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
>   user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
> 
>  : host smtpgw1.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]
> 
> said:
> 
>      501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
> 
> : host govonca2.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]
> 
> said:
> 
>      501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
>  =- End Error -=

What does this tell you:

lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any www.nouvelocity.com
Host www.nouvelocity.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

You have some DNS records that are either wrong, or haven't propegated
yet.

Then there is this:

lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any nouvelocity.com NS1.MADISONAVE.CA
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

Perhaps you better have a look at your first DNS server.

lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any nouvelocity.com NS2.MADISONAVE.CA
Using domain server:
Name: NS2.MADISONAVE.CA
Address: 209.167.86.38#53
Aliases:

nouvelocity.com SOA ns1.madisonave.ca. sysadmin.alteeve.com. 2004052701
10800 3600 86400 38400
nouvelocity.com name server ns2.madisonave.ca.
nouvelocity.com name server ns1.madisonave.ca.
nouvelocity.com has address 209.167.86.36
nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 10 mail.nouvelocity.com.
nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 20 mail.uunet.ca.
nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 30 mail.interbuild.net.

This one on the other hand responds fine.

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 15:44:15 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:44:15 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <20040714134116.GN10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com>

Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 01:50:34PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 
>>Hi all,
>>
>>  I've noticed that occasionally mail sent from 'nouvelocity.com' gets 
>>bounced back with the following error. When I saw this in the past it 
>>was because of DNS issues but as best as I can see everything is 
>>working. Anyone run across this before? Thanks!!
>>
>>Madison
>>
>> =- Error (names changed to protect the innocent) -=
>>This is the Postfix program at host domain.com.
>>
>>I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
>>below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
>>
>>For further assistance, please send mail to 
>>
>>If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
>>delete your own text from the message returned below.
>>
>>The Postfix program
>>
>>: host mail.anotherdomain.com[111.222.210.68]
>>
>>said:
>>
>>    553 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
>>    user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to RCPT TO command)
>>
>>: host smtp2.ns.utoronto.ca[128.100.132.58] said:
>>
>>553
>>
>>  5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address
>>  user-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org does not exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
>>
>> : host smtpgw1.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]
>>
>>said:
>>
>>     501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
>>
>>: host govonca2.gov.on.ca[192.75.156.245]
>>
>>said:
>>
>>     501 5.1.8 Sender domain must exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
>> =- End Error -=
> 
> 
> What does this tell you:
> 
> lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any www.nouvelocity.com
> Host www.nouvelocity.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
> 
> You have some DNS records that are either wrong, or haven't propegated
> yet.
> 
> Then there is this:
> 
> lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any nouvelocity.com NS1.MADISONAVE.CA
> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
> 
> Perhaps you better have a look at your first DNS server.
> 
> lennartsorensen at debdev1:~$ host -t any nouvelocity.com NS2.MADISONAVE.CA
> Using domain server:
> Name: NS2.MADISONAVE.CA
> Address: 209.167.86.38#53
> Aliases:
> 
> nouvelocity.com SOA ns1.madisonave.ca. sysadmin.alteeve.com. 2004052701
> 10800 3600 86400 38400
> nouvelocity.com name server ns2.madisonave.ca.
> nouvelocity.com name server ns1.madisonave.ca.
> nouvelocity.com has address 209.167.86.36
> nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 10 mail.nouvelocity.com.
> nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 20 mail.uunet.ca.
> nouvelocity.com mail is handled by 30 mail.interbuild.net.
> 
> This one on the other hand responds fine.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen
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Thanks Lennart!

   My pDNS server ate it's own hard drives... 4 scsi drives in RAID 5 
with a hot spare and I lost two drives... bloody hell! I'm setting up a 
replacement box now and I'll see if that solves the problem.

   Shouldn't the slave server though be enough to keep mail routing though?

Madison
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 17:45:09 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:45:09 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
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References: <40F2434F.4040706@onlink.net> <40F2F50E.304@truxtar.com> <40F47710.3040807@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40F57125.7000101@truxtar.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hi,

Looks like you already have a cupsd process running:

If you do a 'tail /var/log/cups/error_log' you should see it says "
StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 00000000:631 - Address
already in use." or something similar.

Try doing 'killall cupsd' several times until it says "cupsd: no process
killed". Then try starting 'cupsd' again.


Chris Aitken wrote:
> Anton Markov wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
>> it by executing "cupsd" as root, and see if it runs.
>>
> root at 0[knoppix]# su
> root at 0[knoppix]# cupsd
> cupsd: Child exited with status 98!
> root at 0[knoppix]#
>
> Chris

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:05:49 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:05:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't
 exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F554CF.7040107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
 <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Madison Kelly wrote:

>    My pDNS server ate it's own hard drives... 4 scsi drives in RAID 5
> with a hot spare and I lost two drives... bloody hell! I'm setting up a
> replacement box now and I'll see if that solves the problem.
>
>    Shouldn't the slave server though be enough to keep mail routing though?

If it was reachable.  Perhaps the secondary went offline at the same time
that the primary was having its episode.  The RFCs require at least 2 DNS
servers but suggest no more than 7.  I currently use 5 on my personal
domains.

Rob

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:09:41 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:09:41 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F554CF.7040107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 11:44:15AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> Thanks Lennart!
> 
>   My pDNS server ate it's own hard drives... 4 scsi drives in RAID 5 
> with a hot spare and I lost two drives... bloody hell! I'm setting up a 
> replacement box now and I'll see if that solves the problem.
> 
>   Shouldn't the slave server though be enough to keep mail routing though?

I would have thought so, but for some reason things didn't seem to be
resolving from the second server.  I don't really understand why.

Do you have a script to notify you of disk failures?  It's surprising
that two disks would go at the same time.

Lennart Sorensen
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:16:16 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:16 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
Message-ID: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net>

I hope I'm not shot (or ignored) for posting this. I have a thread going 
for help with cups printing. I'll keep chipping away at that.owever, I 
am also going to install W98 so I can test the printer. The printer is 
still under warranty so I want to make sure it's OK while I still have 
the chance to have it replaced. If anyone knows a good W98 user list I 
would appreciate knowing what it is. Because I have so many devices now 
I have to use USB w the printer (I have an old sane-unsupported Artec 
Viewstation 6P scanner and a backpack cd-rw that need ports as well). I 
have no experience with USB -- hence the need for W98 advice. It seems 
that the USB controller must be recognized before the printer will be 
(d'uh) -- reminds me of W98's treatment of PCI.

The point of all this is to ascertain if there is a problem with my 
printer, so I can go ahead troubleshooting cups in debian-knoppix 3.4.

Chris

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:27:22 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:27:22 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
In-Reply-To: <40F57870.5020607-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040714182722.GP10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:16:16PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I hope I'm not shot (or ignored) for posting this. I have a thread going 
> for help with cups printing. I'll keep chipping away at that.owever, I 
> am also going to install W98 so I can test the printer. The printer is 
> still under warranty so I want to make sure it's OK while I still have 
> the chance to have it replaced. If anyone knows a good W98 user list I 
> would appreciate knowing what it is. Because I have so many devices now 
> I have to use USB w the printer (I have an old sane-unsupported Artec 
> Viewstation 6P scanner and a backpack cd-rw that need ports as well). I 
> have no experience with USB -- hence the need for W98 advice. It seems 
> that the USB controller must be recognized before the printer will be 
> (d'uh) -- reminds me of W98's treatment of PCI.
> 
> The point of all this is to ascertain if there is a problem with my 
> printer, so I can go ahead troubleshooting cups in debian-knoppix 3.4.

Simple:

Install win98
Download and install the driver for the C84 for win98 (or use the CD
that came with the printer).
When asked to do so, plugin and turn on the printer and it will detect
it.
It should then be ready to print.

If you turn on and connect the printer before installing the driver, it
will start asking many stupid questions with no good answers. :)

Lennart Sorensen
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From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:29:28 2004
From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
Message-ID: 

Hi Chris,

I've just recentrly played with cups and finally got everyting working. So I 
can help with whatever I can... Contact me offlist at tchitow-PkbjNfxxIATowKkBSvOlow at public.gmane.org


I hope I'm not shot (or ignored) for posting this. I have a thread going for 
help with cups printing. I'll keep chipping away at that.owever, I am also 
going to install W98 so I can test the printer. The printer is still under 
warranty so I want to make sure it's OK while I still have the chance to 
have it replaced. If anyone knows a good W98 user list I would appreciate 
knowing what it is. Because I have so many devices now I have to use USB w 
the printer (I have an old sane-unsupported Artec Viewstation 6P scanner and 
a backpack cd-rw that need ports as well). I have no experience with USB -- 
hence the need for W98 advice. It seems that the USB controller must be 
recognized before the printer will be (d'uh) -- reminds me of W98's 
treatment of PCI.

The point of all this is to ascertain if there is a problem with my printer, 
so I can go ahead troubleshooting cups in debian-knoppix 3.4.

Chris

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:32:34 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:32:34 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
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References: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40F57C42.1070707@295.ca>

Chris Aitken wrote:

> knows a good W98 user list I would appreciate knowing what it is


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/windows-98/

I've never used it, but I've subscribed to many other Yahoo Groups and 
found them very useful.

HTH, and good luck!

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:32:53 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:32:53 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
In-Reply-To: <20040714182722.GP10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net> <20040714182722.GP10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040714183253.GY28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:27:22PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> Simple:
> 
> Install win98

If possible, see if you can make sure you get 98SE.  It was far less
crashy.  Glad to see that you're not considering ME (which was crashier
than 95 in my experience).

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 18:44:50 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:44:50 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
In-Reply-To: <20040714183253.GY28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net> <20040714182722.GP10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040714183253.GY28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040714184450.GQ10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:32:53PM -0400, Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 02:27:22PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > Simple:
> > 
> > Install win98
> 
> If possible, see if you can make sure you get 98SE.  It was far less
> crashy.  Glad to see that you're not considering ME (which was crashier
> than 95 in my experience).

98SE certainly was the best of the DOS based Windows versions.

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 20:20:47 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:20:47 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <20040714180941.GO10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com> <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 11:44:15AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 
>>Thanks Lennart!
>>
>>  My pDNS server ate it's own hard drives... 4 scsi drives in RAID 5 
>>with a hot spare and I lost two drives... bloody hell! I'm setting up a 
>>replacement box now and I'll see if that solves the problem.
>>
>>  Shouldn't the slave server though be enough to keep mail routing though?
> 
> 
> I would have thought so, but for some reason things didn't seem to be
> resolving from the second server.  I don't really understand why.
> 
> Do you have a script to notify you of disk failures?  It's surprising
> that two disks would go at the same time.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen
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I got a new server up so I am hoping to problem is fixed (I had to leave 
before testing). I think the Adaptec controller did something because 
when I tried to revive the system it ate another drive just after 
re-installing FC2 (for a total of three dead ones). So, either my 
server's PSU is toast (though not likely because the rest of the machine 
is still fine) or the scsi controller is either toast or frying the 
drives. I haven't looked into it closely yet.

Thanks!

Madison
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 21:45:58 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:45:58 -0400
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: <40F470D8.6070304-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:31:36PM -0400, John McGregor wrote:
> I work for the YMCA and I have been given the task of sourcing out a
> fitness testing (exercise related) software package for use by the
> Phys-ed staff. I really would prefer a linux based solution and I was
> wondering if anybody on the list had run across this type of
> application and could point me in the right direction as I haven't as
> yet found anything suitable through Google.

This is totally vapour-ware, since fitness can't be measured.  Do you
measure O2 usage, heart beat, size of bicep, weight lifted, etc?  If you
lift Windows, you're fit.  If you lift Linux machine, you're unfit.  Or,
the other way around.

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 21:39:47 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:39:47 -0400
Subject: Proposal for a Key Signing Party
In-Reply-To: <20040713035112.49A023FC8-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References:  <20040628022930.434323FF9@cbbrowne.com>  <20040713035112.49A023FC8@cbbrowne.com>
Message-ID: <20040714213947.GA963@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:51:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
> I generally carry around a few such cards, which essentially read as
> follows:
> 
> pub  1024D/6AA6A713 2002-03-14 Christopher B. Browne 
>      Key fingerprint = A525 A16B 8635 51A0 AE33  11D6 37B8 5950 6AA6 A713
> uid                            Christopher B. Browne 
> sub  2048g/6F31906A 2002-03-14

I'm very newbie in this matter...
    - what is this key-signing thing?  
    - where will I use it?  And, why?
    - how does it influence my bank account?  (or the content of)

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 21:41:07 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:41:07 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F5959F.7080401-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com> <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F5959F.7080401@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 04:20:47PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> I got a new server up so I am hoping to problem is fixed (I had to leave 
> before testing). I think the Adaptec controller did something because 
> when I tried to revive the system it ate another drive just after 
> re-installing FC2 (for a total of three dead ones). So, either my 
> server's PSU is toast (though not likely because the rest of the machine 
> is still fine) or the scsi controller is either toast or frying the 
> drives. I haven't looked into it closely yet.

This is very rare.  Where you hit by lightning during the recent storms
we had?

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From bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 23:16:47 2004
From: bowman_d-EynCeXvFgoheoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Grecko)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:16:47 -0600
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089746945.23406.6.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	<1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>

Hey,
Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
Thanks!
Grecko
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 14 22:25:12 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:25:12 -0400
Subject: unmentionable user list sought
In-Reply-To: <20040714182722.GP10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F57870.5020607@onlink.net> <20040714182722.GP10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <40F5B2C8.9040605@onlink.net>

Lennart Sorensen wrote:



>>The point of all this is to ascertain if there is a problem with my 
>>printer, so I can go ahead troubleshooting cups in debian-knoppix 3.4.
>>    
>>
>
>Simple:
>
>Install win98
>Download and install the driver for the C84 for win98 (or use the CD
>that came with the printer).
>When asked to do so, plugin and turn on the printer and it will detect
>it.
>It should then be ready to print.
>  
>
It worked. Thanks. t's good to know the printer is OK.



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From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 01:34:39 2004
From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:34:39 -0400
Subject: OT Fitness testing
Message-ID: <40F5DF2F.30801@sympatico.ca>

Wm. Park wrote:

>This is totally vapour-ware, since fitness can't be measured.  Do you
>measure O2 usage, heart beat, size of bicep, weight lifted, etc?
>
Here's a link that explains the proscribed practices involved. It may 
change your opinion or it may not.

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/YMCATesting.html

John


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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 02:32:55 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:32:55 -0400
Subject: To be cruel?
In-Reply-To: <40F278CE.8020700-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <008801c46800$9723a1c0$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
	 <40F278CE.8020700@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1089858775.23406.30.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Mon, 2004-07-12 at 07:41, James Knott wrote:
> Colin McGregor wrote:
> > I have got a Staples customer loyalty card which means from time to time I
> > get mailing with "special" offers. The most recent offer is for a "Free PC
> > or Laptop Tune-up" which along with some hardware checks includes:
> > 
> > - computer virus risk analysis
> > - windows maintenance
> > - task bar clean-up
> > - performance recommendations
> > 
> > So question is do I take in my Debian based laptop, or do I take in my
> > Fedora based mini-tower :-) ? Also, I would wonder how many people take in
> > Macintoshes running OS X (read dressed up FreeBSD boxes :-) ).
> 
> Whichever you take, make sure you do a backup first!

"Sir, I'm sorry to report that we had to reformat your computer to
perform Windows maintenance.  It appears that your computer had a virus
that prevented Windows from loading and instead loaded some unidentified
program which never seemed to crash and wouldn't allow us to load the
virus scanning software.  Must have been a very well written virus."

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 02:54:34 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:54:34 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <20040714214107.GB963-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com> <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F5959F.7080401@alteeve.com> <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com>

William Park wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 04:20:47PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 
>>I got a new server up so I am hoping to problem is fixed (I had to leave 
>>before testing). I think the Adaptec controller did something because 
>>when I tried to revive the system it ate another drive just after 
>>re-installing FC2 (for a total of three dead ones). So, either my 
>>server's PSU is toast (though not likely because the rest of the machine 
>>is still fine) or the scsi controller is either toast or frying the 
>>drives. I haven't looked into it closely yet.
> 
> 
> This is very rare.  Where you hit by lightning during the recent storms
> we had?
> 

I know it's rare, that's what baffels me so much. I actually don't know 
what is wrong or what happened but like I said; the rest of the system 
seems fine. I'll dig up either another SCSI controller or a couple of 
IDE disks and test it later.

In the meantime, the darn email to "nouvelocity.com" is still bouncing 
despite the pDNS server being replaced. It's making my boss kinda 
nervous, to say the least. The fun!

Madison
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 02:59:28 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:59:28 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F5F1EA.1050102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net> <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <200407142259.29116.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 14, 2004 10:54 pm, Madison Kelly wrote:

> In the meantime, the darn email to "nouvelocity.com" is still bouncing
> despite the pDNS server being replaced. It's making my boss kinda
> nervous, to say the least. The fun!

Perhaps this will help ;-)

   Domain Name: NOUVELOCITY.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
      Roe, Philip  (PR1707)             philroe-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org
      Nouvelocity Systems Inc.
      Suite B50
      6 Adelaide Street East
      Toronto, Ontario M5C 1H6
      CA
      416-402-9194 fax: 416-848-0950

*******************************************************************
**************   Record expires on 06-Jul-2004. **********************
*******************************************************************                       

   Record created on 07-Jul-1998.
   Database last updated on 14-Jul-2004 22:57:30 EDT.

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 03:03:02 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:03:02 -0400
Subject: OT Fitness testing
In-Reply-To: <40F5DF2F.30801-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F5DF2F.30801@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040715030302.GA1728@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 09:34:39PM -0400, John McGregor wrote:
> Wm. Park wrote:
> 
> >This is totally vapour-ware, since fitness can't be measured.  Do you
> >measure O2 usage, heart beat, size of bicep, weight lifted, etc?
> >
> Here's a link that explains the proscribed practices involved. It may 
> change your opinion or it may not.
> 
> http://www.exrx.net/Testing/YMCATesting.html

Maybe a giant spreadsheet (one row per person), or one text file per
person in "email" header format...

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 03:15:16 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:15:16 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't
	exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F5F1EA.1050102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com>
	 <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com>
	 <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F5959F.7080401@alteeve.com>
	 <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net>
	 <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <1089861316.23406.37.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 22:54, Madison Kelly wrote:
> I know it's rare, that's what baffels me so much. I actually don't know 
> what is wrong or what happened but like I said; the rest of the system 
> seems fine. I'll dig up either another SCSI controller or a couple of 
> IDE disks and test it later.

Seems to be a rash of baffeling problems going around recently...Sun
spots?  El nino?  Or maybe just a flux in the quantum probability field
in the GTA...

Good luck.

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 03:24:03 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:24:03 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <200407142259.29116.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net> <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com> <200407142259.29116.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <40F5F8D3.6040808@alteeve.com>

Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On July 14, 2004 10:54 pm, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 
> 
>>In the meantime, the darn email to "nouvelocity.com" is still bouncing
>>despite the pDNS server being replaced. It's making my boss kinda
>>nervous, to say the least. The fun!
> 
> 
> Perhaps this will help ;-)
> 
>    Domain Name: NOUVELOCITY.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
>       Roe, Philip  (PR1707)             philroe-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org
>       Nouvelocity Systems Inc.
>       Suite B50
>       6 Adelaide Street East
>       Toronto, Ontario M5C 1H6
>       CA
>       416-402-9194 fax: 416-848-0950
> 
> *******************************************************************
> **************   Record expires on 06-Jul-2004. **********************
> *******************************************************************                       
> 
>    Record created on 07-Jul-1998.
>    Database last updated on 14-Jul-2004 22:57:30 EDT.
> 

Humm, it seems that you are right but what is weird is that I know my 
boss just looked at that a couple of months ago. I just rang him now and 
he also was pretty sure that he had re-newed but like Marcus said some 
sun spot or something may have cause false memories or network gremlins 
to eat the request...

Thank you very much! I wouldn't have looked at that for a while yet do 
to those darn assumptions!

Madison
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 04:00:29 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:00:29 -0400
Subject: Proposal for a Key Signing Party
In-Reply-To: <20040714213947.GA963-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> 
References:  <20040628022930.434323FF9@cbbrowne.com>  <20040713035112.49A023FC8@cbbrowne.com> <20040714213947.GA963@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <20040715040029.E7CF03FCC@cbbrowne.com>

> On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:51:12PM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
> > I generally carry around a few such cards, which essentially read as
> > follows:
> > 
> > pub  1024D/6AA6A713 2002-03-14 Christopher B. Browne 
> >      Key fingerprint = A525 A16B 8635 51A0 AE33  11D6 37B8 5950 6AA6 A713
> > uid                            Christopher B. Browne 
> > sub  2048g/6F31906A 2002-03-14
> 
> I'm very newbie in this matter...
>     - what is this key-signing thing?  
>     - where will I use it?  And, why?
>     - how does it influence my bank account?  (or the content of)

The notion of this is to build up something of a "web of trust"



  In cryptography, a web of trust is a concept used in PGP, GnuPG, and
  other OpenPGP-compatible systems to establish the authenticity of the
  binding between a public key and a user. It is, in some respects, an
  alternative to centralized PKI reliance exclusively on a certificate
  authority (or a hierarchy of such). As with computer networks, there
  are many independent webs of trust, and any user (through their
  identity certificate) can be a part of and a link between multiple
  webs.



  In cryptography, a key signing party is an event at which people
  present their PGP-compatible keys to others in person, who, if they
  are confident the key actually belongs to the person who claims it,
  digitally signs the PGP certificate containing that public key and the
  person's name, etc. This is one way to strengthen the web of
  trust. Although PGP keys are generally used with personal computers
  for Internet-related applications, key signing parties themselves
  generally don't involve computers, since that would give adversaries
  increased opportunities for subterfuge. Rather, participants write
  down a string of letters and numbers, called a fingerprint, which
  represents their key. The fingerprint is created by a cryptographic
  hash function, which condenses the public key down to a unique string,
  which is shorter and more manageable. Participants exchange these
  fingerprints as they verify each others' identification. Then, after
  the party, they obtain the public keys corresponding to the
  fingerprints they received and digitally sign them.

Will it influence your bank account?  Probably not.  But "user groups"
are generally about enthusiasts, as opposed to people that are purely
mercenary in their interests.
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 04:09:16 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:09:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: <20040714214558.GC963-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca> <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> measure O2 usage, heart beat, size of bicep, weight lifted, etc?  If you
> lift Windows, you're fit.  If you lift Linux machine, you're unfit.  Or,
> the other way around.

It's definitely the other way around.  Everyone knows that Linux geeks are
fitter, stronger, smarter and have more success with MOTPS than other
types of geeks.

:)

Rob

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 04:19:21 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:19:21 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F5F1EA.1050102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com> <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F5959F.7080401@alteeve.com> <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net> <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040715041920.GB28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:54:34PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> >>server's PSU is toast (though not likely because the rest of the machine 
> >>is still fine) or the scsi controller is either toast or frying the 
> >>drives. I haven't looked into it closely yet.
> >
> >This is very rare.  Where you hit by lightning during the recent storms
> >we had?
> 
> I know it's rare, that's what baffels me so much. I actually don't know 
> what is wrong or what happened but like I said; the rest of the system 
> seems fine. I'll dig up either another SCSI controller or a couple of 
> IDE disks and test it later.

This reminds me of a story my Dad had about a computer they got at
his workplace.  Took them three motherboards to figure out that the
CD burner was homicidal.  Of course, it only did that after you tried
to burn a CD...

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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 04:20:01 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:20:01 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
In-Reply-To: <1089811146.4137.5.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089811146.4137.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1089865200.13327.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 09:19, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i own a xbox and had a 120gig seagate in there. what microsoft did for
> protection is lock the hard drive to go on xbox live and other things.
> there was a guy in a nother newsgroup that said its possible with linux.
> i dont know if any of you know how to do this?
> ive started to learn linux about 2 weeks ago and am still a newbi at
> this stuff so i would appretiate if someone could give a link or write a
> step by step guid i have fedora core 1 right now.
> 
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ya they only have a 8 or 10 gig but i payed 100 bucks for a bigger one
and my xbox broke down and cannot format it and was woundering if its
possible with linux?

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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 05:14:04 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:14:04 +0800
Subject: top problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200407151314.04123.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

yup...

On Wednesday 14 July 2004 05:08, Terry Tanski wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, JM wrote:
> >  11:27am  up 272 days, 12:19,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.03
> > 426 processes: 425 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> > CPU0 states: 10.0% user, 90.0% system,  0.0% nice,  0.0% idle
> > Floating point exception
>
> Was this RH 7.3?
>
> Terry

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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 12:47:29 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:47:29 -0400
Subject: win4lin
Message-ID: <1089895594.4505.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi I'm interested in win4Lin can someone give me some links on win4Lin
where i can learn about it and i already looked for downloads and i had
to subscribe to a website and didn't wont to i was wondering if someone
could give a download page.
I'm kinda new to Linux and i can find my way around.

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 13:01:46 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:01:46 -0400
Subject: win4lin
In-Reply-To: <1089895594.4505.7.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089895594.4505.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200407150901.46885.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 15, 2004 08:47 am, Aaron Sorensen wrote:

> hi I'm interested in win4Lin can someone give me some links on win4Lin
> where i can learn about it and i already looked for downloads and i had
> to subscribe to a website and didn't wont to i was wondering if someone
> could give a download page.


Did you look at http://www.win4lin.com/ ?

Win4lin is commercial software, I don't recall if it can be downloaded from 
the website without purchasing first but it can't be used without a license 
key (which you must pay for).

To run win4lin you also need a licensed version of Win98 (or Win95/ME).

Win4lin runs very well, very fast and is an excellent solution if there are 
some Windows 9x applications that you must run.  At this time it cannot run 
newer versions of Windows.

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 13:06:41 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:06:41 -0400
Subject: win4lin
In-Reply-To: <1089895594.4505.7.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089895594.4505.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <40F68161.4090105@rogers.com>

Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> hi I'm interested in win4Lin can someone give me some links on win4Lin
> where i can learn about it and i already looked for downloads and i had
> to subscribe to a website and didn't wont to i was wondering if someone
> could give a download page.
> I'm kinda new to Linux and i can find my way around.

You can find out about it at http://www.netraverse.com/

BTW, it's a commercial product, which you have to buy.

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 13:49:57 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:49:57 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <20040714171647.12b96a80-rA7qlRAna9qeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>
Message-ID: <1089899397.965.3.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 19:16, Grecko wrote:
> Hey,
> Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> Thanks!
> Grecko

I have them all saved but how can I send you them?  I really don't want
to forward each one individually.  I am using Evolution 1.4.6.  How do I
extract these emails from my mbox and tar them up?  I have never done
this before :).

Later


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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 14:32:04 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:32:04 -0400
Subject: win4lin
In-Reply-To: <1089898356.4505.18.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089898356.4505.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <40F69564.9090504@rogers.com>

Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> well i belive u shouldnt pay for it but any ways i gess it dos not
> matter. is there a free version cause i thought win4lin has a win98
> licened version right i might be wrong about that is there a free
> version or any thing 
> 

Assume for a minute, your a company that only sells Linux applications. 
  If anyone can copy your product, how do you make money?  Companies 
such as Red Hat and SuSE will let you copy their product, but they can 
charge for service.  It's hard to charge for service, on stand alone 
applications.

There is not a W98 version of Win4Lin, it's a product that allows you to 
run Windows on Linux.

If you want free, use Wine, which comes with most Linux distros.

Don't *EVER* assume a product is free, simply because you don't want to 
pay for it.  Copying such software is theft, and makes you a parasite.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 14:32:17 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:32:17 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <40F5F1EA.1050102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <20040714134116.GN10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F554CF.7040107@alteeve.com> <20040714180941.GO10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40F5959F.7080401@alteeve.com> <20040714214107.GB963@node1.opengeometry.net> <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040715143217.GR10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:54:34PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> I know it's rare, that's what baffels me so much. I actually don't know 
> what is wrong or what happened but like I said; the rest of the system 
> seems fine. I'll dig up either another SCSI controller or a couple of 
> IDE disks and test it later.
> 
> In the meantime, the darn email to "nouvelocity.com" is still bouncing 
> despite the pDNS server being replaced. It's making my boss kinda 
> nervous, to say the least. The fun!

I wonder if the fact that the whois record for the domain lists just the
names of the nameservers, and not the IPs which it usually does (in my
experience).

Asking both name servers directly works, but it seems no other name
server is managing to get any info about the domain at all.

Are the name servers somehow configured to not delegate information to
other name servers?  in and/or outbound UDP/TCP dns traffic accidentally
blocked somewhere?

Lennart Sorensen
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 14:33:56 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:33:56 -0400
Subject: Network Infrastructure w/Jabber
Message-ID: <1089902036.4116.80.camel@localhost>

Hey all,

I have an odd question about network topology.  I'm trying to start up a
Jabber server, which in and of itself isn't hard  (I love Debian:
apt-get install jabber).  The trick is that I don't want to run jabber
on my web and email server for a number of reasons, I want to run the
service on my desktop machine.

Here's the trick: the DNS entries for my domains map to the web and
email server.  I suppose I can add a subdomain (e.g.
jabber.indigofire.net) and use that, but I would really like to have
accounts @indigofire.net.  Anyone have any idea how I can do that?  Do
the SRV entries do something similar to MX entried for jabber?

Thanks!

Kareem

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 14:36:12 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:36:12 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
In-Reply-To: <1089865200.13327.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089811146.4137.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1089865200.13327.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040715143612.GS10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:20:01AM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> ya they only have a 8 or 10 gig but i payed 100 bucks for a bigger one
> and my xbox broke down and cannot format it and was woundering if its
> possible with linux?

Are you trying to put a larger disk in it yourself?

Has this disk ever worked in the xbox before or is this a new attempt?

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 14:36:51 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:36:51 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <20040714171647.12b96a80-rA7qlRAna9qeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld> <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld> <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>
Message-ID: <20040715143651.GT10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:16:47PM -0600, Grecko wrote:
> Hey,
> Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> Thanks!

I thought the list had an archive somewhere.

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 15:32:05 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:32:05 -0400
Subject: DNS/Email transfer problem; sender's domain doesn't exist??
In-Reply-To: <20040715143217.GR10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F420EA.7020008@alteeve.com> <40F5F1EA.1050102@alteeve.com> <20040715143217.GR10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <200407151132.05247.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 15, 2004 10:32 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> I wonder if the fact that the whois record for the domain lists just the
> names of the nameservers, and not the IPs which it usually does (in my
> experience).

I'm quite certain that it's not working because of the fact that the domain 
has expired and the consequent fact that none of the root servers contain 
*any* information about the domain:

  host -t ns com. | awk '{print $3}' | while read ns;  do \
      host nouvelocity.com $ns \
  done

  nouvelocity.com does not exist at B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  no uvelocity.com does not exist at E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)
  nouvelocity.com does not exist at A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET (Authoritative answer)

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 15:20:57 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Network Infrastructure w/Jabber
In-Reply-To: <1089902036.4116.80.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089902036.4116.80.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> I have an odd question about network topology.  I'm trying to start up a
> Jabber server, which in and of itself isn't hard  (I love Debian:
> apt-get install jabber).  The trick is that I don't want to run jabber

Yep, it rocks :)

> Here's the trick: the DNS entries for my domains map to the web and
> email server.  I suppose I can add a subdomain (e.g.
> jabber.indigofire.net) and use that, but I would really like to have
> accounts @indigofire.net.  Anyone have any idea how I can do that?  Do
> the SRV entries do something similar to MX entried for jabber?

Look at using DNAT in the netfilter firewall (iptables) to redirect ports
from the web/email server to the other box.  Ssh can also be used to
redirect ports but using DNAT is preferable.  Using a redirection like
this it will look to the world like the jabber server is on the webserver
but in reality it is elsewhere.

Do consider the security implications of allowing someone to pass right
through the firwall and access a jabber server on your desktop box.  Make
sure you keep that box fully patched.

Rob

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 16:01:07 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:01:07 -0400
Subject: Network Infrastructure w/Jabber
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1089902036.4116.80.camel@localhost>
	 
Message-ID: <1089907267.4116.89.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:20, Robert Brockway wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> 
> > I have an odd question about network topology.  I'm trying to start up a
> > Jabber server, which in and of itself isn't hard  (I love Debian:
> > apt-get install jabber).  The trick is that I don't want to run jabber
> 
> Yep, it rocks :)

After all of the IM I've seen, this is definitely some of the slickest
stuff around.  Now I just need to convince some people to use it :)

> Look at using DNAT in the netfilter firewall (iptables) to redirect ports
> from the web/email server to the other box.  Ssh can also be used to
> redirect ports but using DNAT is preferable.  Using a redirection like
> this it will look to the world like the jabber server is on the webserver
> but in reality it is elsewhere.

I was afraid that would be the case.  I'd rather avoid doing anything to
the web/email server, especially since I'm not sure if I compiled any
netfiltering capabilities into the kernel.  Oh well.  I'll just have to
live with msg.indigofire.net - at least until I become satisfied with
its stability and the debian team puts the packages into stable.

> Do consider the security implications of allowing someone to pass right
> through the firwall and access a jabber server on your desktop box.  Make
> sure you keep that box fully patched.

Definitely will do!

Thanks for the help Rob.

Kareem

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 15:59:05 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:59:05 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089906810.25752.7.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>  <1089899397.965.3.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1089906810.25752.7.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <1089907145.965.15.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:53, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 09:49, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 19:16, Grecko wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > > Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> > > Thanks!
> > > Grecko
> > 
> > I have them all saved but how can I send you them?  I really don't want
> > to forward each one individually.  I am using Evolution 1.4.6.  How do I
> > extract these emails from my mbox and tar them up?  I have never done
> > this before :).
> 
> Select the desired messages using Ctrl or Shift then click forward and
> it will forward all of them.

I tried that but it just created an email for each one.  I would have to
go through each one and add his email address and then press send for
each one.

I save all the TLUG emails in one directory.  Can I just tar up that
mbox and send it?

Later

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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 15:53:31 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:53:31 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089899397.965.3.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>  <1089899397.965.3.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <1089906810.25752.7.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 09:49, Devin Whalen wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 19:16, Grecko wrote:
> > Hey,
> > Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> > Thanks!
> > Grecko
> 
> I have them all saved but how can I send you them?  I really don't want
> to forward each one individually.  I am using Evolution 1.4.6.  How do I
> extract these emails from my mbox and tar them up?  I have never done
> this before :).

Select the desired messages using Ctrl or Shift then click forward and
it will forward all of them.

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 16:21:23 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:21:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Network Infrastructure w/Jabber
In-Reply-To: <1089907267.4116.89.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089902036.4116.80.camel@localhost> 
 
 <1089907267.4116.89.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> I was afraid that would be the case.  I'd rather avoid doing anything to
> the web/email server, especially since I'm not sure if I compiled any
> netfiltering capabilities into the kernel.  Oh well.  I'll just have to
> live with msg.indigofire.net - at least until I become satisfied with
> its stability and the debian team puts the packages into stable.

Look at using ssh to do the port redirection.  I prefer to only use this
as a temporary solution (prefering netfilter for anything more permanent)
but there is nothing wrong with using it over the longer term.  Just
remember to start the ssh processes on boot :)

Cheers,
	Rob

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From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 16:49:56 2004
From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:49:56 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089907145.965.15.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>  <1089899397.965.3.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1089906810.25752.7.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089907145.965.15.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <1089910195.25752.9.camel@rincewind.discworld>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:59, Devin Whalen wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:53, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 09:49, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 19:16, Grecko wrote:
> > > > Hey,
> > > > Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Grecko
> > > 
> > > I have them all saved but how can I send you them?  I really don't want
> > > to forward each one individually.  I am using Evolution 1.4.6.  How do I
> > > extract these emails from my mbox and tar them up?  I have never done
> > > this before :).
> > 
> > Select the desired messages using Ctrl or Shift then click forward and
> > it will forward all of them.
> 
> I tried that but it just created an email for each one.  I would have to
> go through each one and add his email address and then press send for
> each one.
> 
> I save all the TLUG emails in one directory.  Can I just tar up that
> mbox and send it?

Weird.  It works on my version of Evolution 1.4.6.  I'll send them to
him.

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 16:56:40 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:56:40 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089910195.25752.9.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>  <1089899397.965.3.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1089906810.25752.7.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089907145.965.15.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1089910195.25752.9.camel@rincewind.discworld>
Message-ID: <1089910600.965.22.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 12:49, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:59, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:53, Marcus Brubaker wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 09:49, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 19:16, Grecko wrote:
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > > Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Grecko
> > > > 
> > > > I have them all saved but how can I send you them?  I really don't want
> > > > to forward each one individually.  I am using Evolution 1.4.6.  How do I
> > > > extract these emails from my mbox and tar them up?  I have never done
> > > > this before :).
> > > 
> > > Select the desired messages using Ctrl or Shift then click forward and
> > > it will forward all of them.
> > 
> > I tried that but it just created an email for each one.  I would have to
> > go through each one and add his email address and then press send for
> > each one.
> > 
> > I save all the TLUG emails in one directory.  Can I just tar up that
> > mbox and send it?
> 
> Weird.  It works on my version of Evolution 1.4.6.  I'll send them to
> him.

I figured it out.  You have to select Actions -> Forward As -> Attached.
I was just pressing forward.  I sent them  to him.  Hopefully you didn't
already :)

Later

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Toronto, Ontario
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 18:02:36 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:02:36 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <20040715143651.GT10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <1089746945.23406.6.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040714171647.12b96a80@lin.linux>
	 <20040715143651.GT10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1089914556.4111.91.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 10:36, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 05:16:47PM -0600, Grecko wrote:
> > Hey,
> > Could someone forward me the messages in this topic? I reformatted, and my mail backup didn't work, but I would love to read this thread.
> > Thanks!
> 
> I thought the list had an archive somewhere.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen

Yup, gmane.org provides an archive:
http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html#toc1

Kareem
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   and for several days we had to live on nothing but food and
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 18:08:42 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:08:42 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <1089914556.4111.91.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld> <20040715143651.GT10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089914556.4111.91.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407151408.42497.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 15, 2004 02:02 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> Yup, gmane.org provides an archive:
> http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html#toc1

? Perhaps you meant to say 
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 19:04:07 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:04:07 -0400
Subject: Epiloge:  Weird networking problem
In-Reply-To: <200407151408.42497.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089527564.8914.51.camel@rincewind.discworld>
	 <20040715143651.GT10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1089914556.4111.91.camel@localhost>
	 <200407151408.42497.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <1089918247.4116.94.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 14:08, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On July 15, 2004 02:02 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> 
> > Yup, gmane.org provides an archive:
> > http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/isapnpfaq.html#toc1
> 
> ? Perhaps you meant to say 
> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/

Whops... yea.  My clipboard manager is obviously having a field day.  Oh
well... now my secret is out.  There are still members of my family with
ISA devices.

Kareem

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   and for several days we had to live on nothing but food and
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 02:31:50 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:31:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
Message-ID: 


Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant 
package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off 
...

thanks,
Peter
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 19:34:42 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:34:42 -0400
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040715193442.GU10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:31:50PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant 
> package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off 
> ...

Like g++-3.0 or 3.3 or something and the associated libraries?

libstdc++X (where X varies with g++ version).

g++ 2.95 does not have STL.  3.x does.

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 19:54:42 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:54:42 -0400
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200407151554.42256.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 15, 2004 10:31 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:

> Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant
> package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off
> ...

But you still have the search engine on your machine ;-)


  apt-cache search c++

That give a lot, "apt-cache search gcc" gets a little closer to what you want.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 03:24:02 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:24:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <20040715193442.GU10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: 
 <20040715193442.GU10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:31:50PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant
>> package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off
>> ...
>
> Like g++-3.0 or 3.3 or something and the associated libraries?
>
> libstdc++X (where X varies with g++ version).
>
> g++ 2.95 does not have STL.  3.x does.

I have 3.3.3 (I am shoehorning a knoppix hd install into developer-grade 
shape so I can test and build some applications)

By the way what's a good howto on kde resources ? The font under the icon 
desktops is the wrong color etc.

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 03:34:06 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:34:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <200407151554.42256.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: 
 <200407151554.42256.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:

> On July 15, 2004 10:31 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>> Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant
>> package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off
>> ...
>
> But you still have the search engine on your machine ;-)
>
>  apt-cache search c++
>
> That give a lot, "apt-cache search gcc" gets a little closer to what you want.

*quite*. f.ex:

# apt-cache search g++|grep stl
castle-combat - game where the player builds one castle and destroys 
others
castle-combat-data - data files for castle-combat
fastlink - [Biology] A faster version of pedigree programs of Linkage
fastlink-doc - [Biology] Some papers about fastlink
festlex-cmu - CMU dictionary for Festival
festlex-poslex - Part of speech lexicons and ngram from English
gmt-coast-low - Low resolution coastlines for the Generic Mapping Tools
ht - Viewer/editor/analyser (mostly) for executables
libstlport4.6 - STLport C++ class library
libstlport4.6-dev - STLport C++ class library
op-sh-hostlist - Hostlist tool for Opie
stl-manual - C++-STL documentation in HTML
vim-scripts - plugins for vim, adding bells and whistles
festlex-oald - Festival lexicon from Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictionary

But .. I just apt-get install libstlport4.6-dev, libstlport4.6 before and 
it does not provide stl.h . Yes I ran updatedb. apt-file cannot find any 
packages that provide stl.h . Who or what provides stl.h ?!

I found a package list on the web for a rpm of the same kind of package 
and stl.h was not in it. Huh ? stl.h *must* exist.

Could someone locate stl.h on their systems and tell what deb it comes 
from ? If not, is there a shortcut ?

Peter
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 21:24:00 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:24:00 -0400
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: 
References:  <200407151554.42256.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> 
Message-ID: <40F6F5F0.2000105@truxtar.com>

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Hash: SHA1

On a Debian unstable system:

anton at anton:~$ auto-apt search stl.h
usr/include/g++-3/stl.h libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev
usr/include/g++-3/stl_heap.h    libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev
usr/include/g++-3/stl_hashtable.h       libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev
usr/include/g++-3/stl_hash_set.h        libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev
usr/include/g++-3/stl_hash_map.h        libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev
usr/include/g++-3/stl_hash_fun.h        libdevel/libstdc++2.10-dev

auto-apt is a great program to help you find which package provides what
files. In this case it told you that you need "libstdc++2.10-dev". Just
do an "apt-get install libstdc++2.10-dev"

>
> But .. I just apt-get install libstlport4.6-dev, libstlport4.6 before
> and it does not provide stl.h . Yes I ran updatedb. apt-file cannot find
> any packages that provide stl.h . Who or what provides stl.h ?!
>
> I found a package list on the web for a rpm of the same kind of package
> and stl.h was not in it. Huh ? stl.h *must* exist.
>
> Could someone locate stl.h on their systems and tell what deb it comes
> from ? If not, is there a shortcut ?
>
> Peter
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From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 22:17:42 2004
From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:17:42 -0400
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: ; from robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org on Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:09:16AM -0400
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca> <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net> 
Message-ID: <20040715181742.T23495@leftmind.net>

Robert Brockway wrote:
>  ...  Everyone knows that Linux geeks are
> fitter, stronger, smarter and have more success with MOTPS than other
> types of geeks.

EXPN?  "Pretty"?  "Porkable"?

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From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 22:28:40 2004
From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice)
Date: 15 Jul 2004 18:28:40 -0400
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<200407151554.42256.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
	
Message-ID: 

"Peter L. Peres"  writes:
> # apt-cache search g++|grep stl

I would have grepped for STL.  It's always upper-cased [at least, in my
experience].


> But .. I just apt-get install libstlport4.6-dev, libstlport4.6 before and it
> does not provide stl.h . Yes I ran updatedb. apt-file cannot find any
> packages that provide stl.h . Who or what provides stl.h ?!
> 
> Could someone locate stl.h on their systems and tell what deb it comes from
> ? If not, is there a shortcut ?

Sure:

    matt at price:~/.giFT/completed$ locate stl.h
    /usr/include/g++-3/stl.h
    matt at price:~/.giFT/completed$ dpkg -S /usr/include/g++-3/stl.h 
    libstdc++2.10-dev: /usr/include/g++-3/stl.h

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 23:09:36 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:09:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: <20040715181742.T23495-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca> <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net>
 
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Message-ID: 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Anthony de Boer wrote:

> Robert Brockway wrote:
> >  ...  Everyone knows that Linux geeks are
> > fitter, stronger, smarter and have more success with MOTPS than other
> > types of geeks.
>
> EXPN?  "Pretty"?  "Porkable"?

Preferred :)

Compare MOTSS & MOTOS.

Cheers,
	Rob

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 00:17:01 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:17:01 -0400
Subject: win4lin
References: <1089898356.4505.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <40F69564.9090504@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <40F71E7D.3060105@onlink.net>

James Knott wrote:

> 

> Don't *EVER* assume a product is free, simply because you don't want 
> to pay for it.  Copying such software is theft, and makes you a parasite. 

Paying for software is a good thing. I could have gone on this list and 
asked someone for a key to run VMWare -- a lot of people would have 
complained, but one or two would have given me a key. Instead I chose to 
buy a copy. Companies need to make money to survive. Just not Microsoft 
-- they need to curl up and die. : )

Chris


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 00:57:02 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:57:02 -0400
Subject: Failed to connect to server
Message-ID: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>

I'm getting "Failed to connect to server pop3.ontera.net" trying to use 
my dial-up account from knoppix 3.4 (hard-disk install). What did I 
change before the problem started? Well, i tried to configure eth0. What 
that has to do with the dial-up device I can't imagine. The  server is 
fine -- I'm emailing from my account from another machine.

At one point it was reported that another pppd process was running. I 
did kill -9 [PID} on several pppd processes.

At another point I got

PPP Log
/var/log/syslog.ppp
/var/log/sylog
/var/log/messages

I'm connected but the server connection fails (whatever te difference 
is) -- by my email browser or webmail -- so it really does seem to be 
the server -- but it's not as I am able to access it from my other machine.

Chris

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 02:30:25 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:30:25 -0400
Subject: Package name of c++ stl support on Debian ?
In-Reply-To: 
References:  <200407151554.42256.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> 
Message-ID: <20040716023025.GV10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:34:06PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> 
> >On July 15, 2004 10:31 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> >
> >>Hi, I am new to Debian, and I'd like to know the name of the relevant
> >>package (library and development). The search engine on debian.org was off
> >>...
> >
> >But you still have the search engine on your machine ;-)
> >
> > apt-cache search c++
> >
> >That give a lot, "apt-cache search gcc" gets a little closer to what you 
> >want.
> 
> *quite*. f.ex:
> 
> # apt-cache search g++|grep stl
> castle-combat - game where the player builds one castle and destroys 
> others
> castle-combat-data - data files for castle-combat
> fastlink - [Biology] A faster version of pedigree programs of Linkage
> fastlink-doc - [Biology] Some papers about fastlink
> festlex-cmu - CMU dictionary for Festival
> festlex-poslex - Part of speech lexicons and ngram from English
> gmt-coast-low - Low resolution coastlines for the Generic Mapping Tools
> ht - Viewer/editor/analyser (mostly) for executables
> libstlport4.6 - STLport C++ class library
> libstlport4.6-dev - STLport C++ class library
> op-sh-hostlist - Hostlist tool for Opie
> stl-manual - C++-STL documentation in HTML
> vim-scripts - plugins for vim, adding bells and whistles
> festlex-oald - Festival lexicon from Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictionary

Perhaps this works better:

apt-cache search g\\+\\+

Since apt-cache takes a regular expression (and the shell needs escapes
too).

The results make a lot more sense that everything which is about what g+
matches.

> But .. I just apt-get install libstlport4.6-dev, libstlport4.6 before and 
> it does not provide stl.h . Yes I ran updatedb. apt-file cannot find any 
> packages that provide stl.h . Who or what provides stl.h ?!
> 
> I found a package list on the web for a rpm of the same kind of package 
> and stl.h was not in it. Huh ? stl.h *must* exist.
> 
> Could someone locate stl.h on their systems and tell what deb it comes 
> from ? If not, is there a shortcut ?

apt-get install apt-file
apt-file update
apt-file search stl.h

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 02:53:35 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:53:35 -0400
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <40F727DE.9040604-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <1089946415.4109.97.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 20:57, Chris Aitken wrote:
> I'm getting "Failed to connect to server pop3.ontera.net" trying to use 
> my dial-up account from knoppix 3.4 (hard-disk install). What did I 
> change before the problem started? Well, i tried to configure eth0. What 
> that has to do with the dial-up device I can't imagine. The  server is 
> fine -- I'm emailing from my account from another machine.
> 
> At one point it was reported that another pppd process was running. I 
> did kill -9 [PID} on several pppd processes.
> 
> At another point I got
> 
> PPP Log
> /var/log/syslog.ppp
> /var/log/sylog
> /var/log/messages
> 
> I'm connected but the server connection fails (whatever te difference 
> is) -- by my email browser or webmail -- so it really does seem to be 
> the server -- but it's not as I am able to access it from my other machine.
> 
> Chris

After you dial-up, what is the result of ifconfig?  Do you see anything
relevant in the logs (syslog.ppp, syslog, or messages)?

Kareem

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From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 03:17:57 2004
From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:17:57 -0400
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: ; from robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org on Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 07:09:36PM -0400
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca> <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net> 
Message-ID: <20040715231757.V23495@leftmind.net>

Robert Brockway wrote:
> > > ... MOTPS ...
> 
> Preferred :)
> 
> Compare MOTSS & MOTOS.

Generally that's a MOTAS ("Appropriate"); Google doesn't indicate your
usage to be common.

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 15 22:44:37 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:44:37 +0100
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <40F727DE.9040604-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:57:02 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> I'm getting "Failed to connect to server pop3.ontera.net" trying to use 
> my dial-up account from knoppix 3.4 (hard-disk install). What did I 
> change before the problem started? Well, i tried to configure eth0. What 
> that has to do with the dial-up device I can't imagine. The  server is 
> fine -- I'm emailing from my account from another machine.
> 
> At one point it was reported that another pppd process was running. I 
> did kill -9 [PID} on several pppd processes.
> 
> At another point I got
> 
> PPP Log
> /var/log/syslog.ppp
> /var/log/sylog
> /var/log/messages
> 
> I'm connected but the server connection fails (whatever te difference 
> is) -- by my email browser or webmail -- so it really does seem to be 
> the server -- but it's not as I am able to access it from my other machine.
> 
> Chris
> 

Depending on your installation chioce you may need to configure PPP again. One way requires you to continue to configure eveytime you boot. The other is that this information is saved. 

This is a short coming of Knoppix however I'm quite sure there is a work around. One way is to not shut down your machine or reboot. 

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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 04:04:33 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:04:33 -0400
Subject: Program for delivering Ringtones
Message-ID: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE@lethe.ss.org>

Hi All,

I have a client looking to have customers purchase cell phone ring tones and
screen savers for their cell phones and have them sent to the phones upon
completion of the sale. Anyone have any ideas as to what software would be
required? His site is written in PHP using MySQL as the db.

Thanks,

Sid


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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 04:57:28 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:57:28 -0400
Subject: Program for delivering Ringtones
In-Reply-To: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040716045728.GA3213@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:04:33AM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a client looking to have customers purchase cell phone ring tones and
> screen savers for their cell phones and have them sent to the phones upon
> completion of the sale. Anyone have any ideas as to what software would be
> required? His site is written in PHP using MySQL as the db.

Well, if you can dialup your ISP, then you can dial any other phone
number.  But, what do you do once the phone answers?

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From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 05:13:36 2004
From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:13:36 -0400
Subject: Program for delivering Ringtones
In-Reply-To: <20040716045728.GA3213-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE@lethe.ss.org> <20040716045728.GA3213@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <1089954816.40f764004488b@webmail.ksmultimedia.com>

Quoting William Park :

> Well, if you can dialup your ISP, then you can dial any other phone
> number.  But, what do you do once the phone answers?
> 

The software should transmit the ringtone purchased to the customers cell phone.
I am not sure what is involved in setting this up, but I have heard there are
programs which would transmit the info via the cell phone companies data service
as opposed to calling the user directly.

Sid

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 05:14:43 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:14:43 -0400
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
Message-ID: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>

I'm looking for DB2 headers, libraries, and C API docs, so that I can
compile and link my client-side interface program.  But, all downloads
from IBM site is like 500MB.  Does anyone know which bundle I should
click?  
    - Personal Edition
    - Persanal Developer's Edition
    - Express Edition
    - Enterprise Server Edition
?

Background:
    I have patched Bash shell to include basic interface to GDBM,
    SQLite, MySQL, and PostgreSQL:
	http://freshmeat.net/bashdiff/
    And, I want to include DB2, as well.

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From alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 05:20:55 2004
From: alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Akshay Lamba)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:20:55 +0500
Subject: Program for delivering Ringtones
Message-ID: <80d88da3.8da380d8@mantraonline.com>

Hi Sid,

Let me throw some light on the technology model for ringtones, etc. I 
work for a telco and we have a number of servers from just such 
requirements. Download of ringtones work on an IP network rather than 
a GSM/CDMA network hence, a IP overlay is needed which is generally 
provided by services like GPRS, EDGE, etc. 

Bottomline, your client needs to hook up to a telco and put his server 
in their datacenter where clients can download it via an IP overlay on 
GSM/CDMA network.


OR

He puts it up on the internet with a frontend and then his clients 
need to go to his frontend and download the tones after they log into 
their IP overlay network from their handsets.

Regards,
Akshay


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidney Shapiro" 
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:34 am
Subject: [TLUG]: Program for delivering Ringtones

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a client looking to have customers purchase cell phone ring 
> tones and
> screen savers for their cell phones and have them sent to the 
> phones upon
> completion of the sale. Anyone have any ideas as to what software 
> would be
> required? His site is written in PHP using MySQL as the db.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sid
> 
> 
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 05:31:13 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:31:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: O TFitness (as in exercise) testing software
In-Reply-To: <20040715231757.V23495-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F470D8.6070304@sympatico.ca> <20040714214558.GC963@node1.opengeometry.net>
 
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Message-ID: 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Anthony de Boer wrote:

> Robert Brockway wrote:
> > > > ... MOTPS ...
> >
> > Preferred :)
> >
> > Compare MOTSS & MOTOS.
>
> Generally that's a MOTAS ("Appropriate"); Google doesn't indicate your
> usage to be common.

Really?  I was going from memory but could have sworn that usage was
acceptable.  Oh well.

Cheers,
	Rob

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From pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 08:01:04 2004
From: pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org (pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 04:01:04 -0400
Subject: Philip Maddocks/CORP/BROOKFIELD is out of the office.
Message-ID: 





I will be out of the office starting  07/16/2004 and will not return until
07/26/2004.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 13:22:27 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:22:27 -0400
Subject: Failed to connect to server
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net> <20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40F7D693.3070809@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:



>Depending on your installation chioce you may need to configure PPP again. 
>
The only way I know how to "Configure" ppp is to recreate the connection 
in kppp -- I've done that several times. I'm wondering if somehow it's 
using the wrong default gateway or somesuch -- but how would that info 
that I chose for eth0 affect ppp0 (or whatever device the dial-up 
connection is) -- they should be two different devices.

>One way requires you to continue to configure eveytime you boot. The other is that this information is saved. 
>
>This is a short coming of Knoppix however I'm quite sure there is a work around. One way is to not shut down your machine or reboot. 
>
John, this is a hard disk installation of knoppix. The connection I 
created has persisted through several reboots (as it is a hard disk 
installation -- not running live off the CD). It's only yesterday after 
configuring eth0 that the problem started.

Chris



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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 14:17:32 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: <20040716051443.GB3213-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: 


On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> I'm looking for DB2 headers, libraries, and C API docs, so that I can
> compile and link my client-side interface program.  But, all downloads
> from IBM site is like 500MB.  Does anyone know which bundle I should
> click?
>    - Personal Edition
>    - Persanal Developer's Edition
>    - Express Edition
>    - Enterprise Server Edition
> ?
>
> Background:
>    I have patched Bash shell to include basic interface to GDBM,
>    SQLite, MySQL, and PostgreSQL:
> 	http://freshmeat.net/bashdiff/
>    And, I want to include DB2, as well.

A version of DB2 used to be shipped with Suse. It should be on a Suse 
distro CD.

Tell use when your bash can boot all by itself or compete with emacs ;-)

great work,
Peter
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 15:39:29 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:39:29 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
In-Reply-To: <20040715143612.GS10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <1089992369.5022.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ya i had every thing working like evox installed i had all the emulaters
and ev installed on my 120 gig seagate drive 
but is it possible to format it or is there a tool that dos it

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 10:36, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:20:01AM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > ya they only have a 8 or 10 gig but i payed 100 bucks for a bigger one
> > and my xbox broke down and cannot format it and was woundering if its
> > possible with linux?
> 
> Are you trying to put a larger disk in it yourself?
> 
> Has this disk ever worked in the xbox before or is this a new attempt?
> 
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From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:11:41 2004
From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:11:41 -0400
Subject: deleting illegaly named file
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20040716120259.009ea260@pop3.ilap.com>

Somehow a file has been prepended by a  '  -  ' (subtraction sign)

Bash won't let me delete or move it as the minus sign makes the file illegal

How do I get around this ? Is there a way to temporarily disable the bash 
shell or
add the ' - ' as a wild card?

I have tried surrounding it with single and double quotes like
rm -f  "-abc123.bmp", but no luck

Thanks
Dave

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:10:52 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:10:52 -0400
Subject: Program for delivering Ringtones
In-Reply-To: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040716040351.DDAA06D8EE@lethe.ss.org>
Message-ID: <20040716161052.GW10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:04:33AM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote:
> I have a client looking to have customers purchase cell phone ring tones and
> screen savers for their cell phones and have them sent to the phones upon
> completion of the sale. Anyone have any ideas as to what software would be
> required? His site is written in PHP using MySQL as the db.

Well the first requirement is the spec for each phone type to know the
format of files it requires and what custom headers it needs sent to
accept it as a file download.  There really isn't any standard for how
this is done.

Everything can be done in PHP (other than generating the file in the
correct format) for sending the file to a phone if it connects to a URL
with it's browser, at least on the many phone types I dealt with at my
previous job.

Something like hawhaw lib for php might be handy too for generating easy
WAP pages using php scripts.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:13:07 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:13:07 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
In-Reply-To: <1089992369.5022.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1089811146.4137.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1089865200.13327.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040715143612.GS10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1089992369.5022.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040716161307.GX10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:39:29AM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> ya i had every thing working like evox installed i had all the emulaters
> and ev installed on my 120 gig seagate drive 
> but is it possible to format it or is there a tool that dos it

Don't know.  I imagine there are tools for it out there given there are
people running Linux on the XBox they must have managed some things.

I still have no idea why you want to format it if it already works.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:14:20 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:14:20 -0400
Subject: deleting illegaly named file
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.1.20040716120259.009ea260-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040716120259.009ea260@pop3.ilap.com>
Message-ID: <20040716161420.GY10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:11:41PM -0400, dave morton wrote:
> Somehow a file has been prepended by a  '  -  ' (subtraction sign)
> 
> Bash won't let me delete or move it as the minus sign makes the file illegal
> 
> How do I get around this ? Is there a way to temporarily disable the bash 
> shell or
> add the ' - ' as a wild card?
> 
> I have tried surrounding it with single and double quotes like
> rm -f  "-abc123.bmp", but no luck

Standard methods are:

rm -- filename
rm ./filename

etc.  Anything that tells rm this isn't an option, or that prevents the
- from looking like an option works.

Lenanrt Sorensen
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:17:56 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:17:56 -0400
Subject: wine
Message-ID: <1089994676.5400.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ok i acept u have to pay for win4lin and since im not getting it im
woundering about wine is there a how to an what its capible of thats up
to date with it.
i downlaoded wine and on a .rpm and it installed and i cant get it to
work and www.winehq.com dont realy help much in setting it up 


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From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:26:31 2004
From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: deleting illegaly named file
In-Reply-To: <20040716161420.GY10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040716120259.009ea260@pop3.ilap.com>
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> Standard methods are:
> 
> rm -- filename
> rm ./filename

Damn, and I was going to suggest something obfuscated like
find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -name 'filename' -exec rm {} \;

:-)

- - Julian

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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:43:18 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:43:18 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
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	 <1089992369.5022.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <20040716161307.GX10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1089996198.5916.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

the harddrive itsself works fine i had it working with my xbox and now
my xbox brok and since its locked it only worked with that xboxes
motherboard and no its usless but i herd the linux formater could do it
and i wanted to see if it was possible
On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 12:13, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:39:29AM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > ya i had every thing working like evox installed i had all the emulaters
> > and ev installed on my 120 gig seagate drive 
> > but is it possible to format it or is there a tool that dos it
> 
> Don't know.  I imagine there are tools for it out there given there are
> people running Linux on the XBox they must have managed some things.
> 
> I still have no idea why you want to format it if it already works.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen
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From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:50:50 2004
From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:50:50 -0400
Subject: deleting illegaly named file
In-Reply-To: <20040716161420.GY10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <5.2.1.1.1.20040716120259.009ea260@pop3.ilap.com> <20040716161420.GY10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <40F8076A.1010005@ilap.com>

Thanks!

It worked beautifully. Hadn't thought of that one

Dave
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 16:52:50 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:52:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>
 
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:

> Tell use when your bash can boot all by itself or compete with emacs ;-)

linux init=/bin/bash ... raw power man ;)

Rob

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From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 17:11:34 2004
From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:11:34 -0400
Subject: Laptop hard disk
Message-ID: 

Does any one know if there is a store in GTA that sells new/used IBM
notebook HDD?

Regards,
 
 
PQ
 
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From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:20:52 -0400
Subject: format a locked harddrive with linux
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On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 12:43, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> the harddrive itsself works fine i had it working with my xbox and now
> my xbox brok and since its locked it only worked with that xboxes
> motherboard and no its usless but i herd the linux formater could do it
> and i wanted to see if it was possible

Now I understand what you're going on about.  I kept looking at this
thread and thinking that "I don't know anything about xbox so i can't
help this guy", but if you're trying to set up a drive in Linux then
there are some things that can be done.

First, boot up linux either from an install on another drive or one of
the Live CD's (knoppix comes to mind).  Then, get yourself a root prompt
and try the following:

# dmesg | less

and look for the lines where the kernel finds your harddrive.  It might
have some interesting things to say.

# fdisk -l /dev/hda
(or hdb, hdc, hdd depending on where the drive is installed.  hda is the
primary master, while hdd is the secondary slave)

If the drive can be read at all, then this will show the partition
table.  If it shows anything sensible, then you can at the very least
wipe out the xbox partition and make a new one for whatever you want.

If not, then the drive has to be low-level formatted.  I haven't done
that in Linux, though I'm sure there's a tool to do it.  Any ideas from
the list?

Good luck!

Kareem
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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 17:46:05 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:46:05 -0400
Subject: Laptop hard disk
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <40F8145D.3030704@alteeve.com>

I know Above All (590 Bloor St. W, 416-588-588-8119) sometimes has used 
laptop drives (I've bought a few off of them over the years and they 
were fine). If you get stuck I can put you onto a reseller who can get 
you one two. Let me know if you don't have any luck or would rather buy 
new and I'll get you in touch with them.

Madison

Phillip Qin wrote:
> Does any one know if there is a store in GTA that sells new/used IBM 
> notebook HDD?
> 
> Regards,
>  
>  
> PQ
>  
> Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity
> 

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 01:04:05 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>
 
 
Message-ID: 



On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Robert Brockway wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>> Tell use when your bash can boot all by itself or compete with emacs ;-)
>
> linux init=/bin/bash ... raw power man ;)

Don't laugh. A few years ago I made one whose main application was built 
into the kernel. So no init= ... it ran from floppy on i386 with 4MB ram. 
Kernel was 1.2.13 series and I remember the zimage was only about 800k. It 
did NOT mount the root fs and did not have a console (printk & co wrote to 
a buffer). Hehe. Then I had to modify the boot sector so it could boot 
from my strange hardware without using all those BIOS calls.

*but* to stay on topic I'd like to see a lilo script like:

 	image=/bin/bash

and

 	image=/usr/bin/emacs

;-)

Peter
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From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 18:33:09 2004
From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:33:09 -0400
Subject: Laptop hard disk
Message-ID: 

Phoned Above All, no luck. The HDD that I am looing for is IBM TravelStar
DARA212000, retail price US$150. I can bid one from eBay but I don't like
privious component to be shipped via USPS. I remember there was one store
participanting CompuFest this year. I remember because this store hired
those tall brondies wearing short skirts to sell used IBM computers. The
name might be greytech?



-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Kelly [mailto:linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] 
Sent: July 16, 2004 1:46 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Laptop hard disk


I know Above All (590 Bloor St. W, 416-588-588-8119) sometimes has used 
laptop drives (I've bought a few off of them over the years and they 
were fine). If you get stuck I can put you onto a reseller who can get 
you one two. Let me know if you don't have any luck or would rather buy 
new and I'll get you in touch with them.

Madison

Phillip Qin wrote:
> Does any one know if there is a store in GTA that sells new/used IBM
> notebook HDD?
> 
> Regards,
>  
>  
> PQ
>  
> Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity
> 

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 18:57:45 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:57:45 -0400
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net> 
Message-ID: <20040716185745.GA985@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:17:32AM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:
> 
> >I'm looking for DB2 headers, libraries, and C API docs, so that I can
> >compile and link my client-side interface program.  But, all downloads
> >from IBM site is like 500MB.  Does anyone know which bundle I should
> >click?
> >   - Personal Edition
> >   - Persanal Developer's Edition
> >   - Express Edition
> >   - Enterprise Server Edition
> >?
> >
> >Background:
> >   I have patched Bash shell to include basic interface to GDBM,
> >   SQLite, MySQL, and PostgreSQL:
> >	http://freshmeat.net/projects/bashdiff/
> >   And, I want to include DB2, as well.
> 
> A version of DB2 used to be shipped with Suse. It should be on a Suse 
> distro CD.

Thanks, I may have some promo CDs around.

> 
> Tell use when your bash can boot all by itself or compete with emacs
> ;-)
> 
> great work,
> Peter

I did turn Bash into .so library in an attempt to link it inside Apache.
It worked, but there was no real need, because CGI was good enough. 

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 02:18:08 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:18:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: email sorting/splitting/merging scripts ?
Message-ID: 


William Park, was it you who posted a message wrt. some parsing/rewriting 
scripts to this list some time ago ?
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 02:19:47 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: stl.h: problem solved
Message-ID: 


Thanks to all who posted on this thread. I had to apt-get install 
auto-apt, then apt-get update and updatedb and then I could install the 
package that contains stl.h

I still have compiler spec problems but they will go away with some 
symbolic links.

thanks,
Peter
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 19:22:41 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: <20040716185745.GA985-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>
 
 <20040716185745.GA985@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> I did turn Bash into .so library in an attempt to link it inside Apache.
> It worked, but there was no real need, because CGI was good enough.

William, you must love bash more than I do ;)

Rob

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 19:39:28 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:39:28 -0400
Subject: email sorting/splitting/merging scripts ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20040716193928.GA1243@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:18:08PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> 
> William Park, was it you who posted a message wrt. some
> parsing/rewriting scripts to this list some time ago ?

Yeah, you can also find it at
    http://freshmeat.net/projects/mboxsh/

Why?

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 15:12:21 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:12:21 +0100
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <40F7D693.3070809-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
	<20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>
	<40F7D693.3070809@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040716161221.2c01cfec@pingu.opus>

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:22:27 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> John Myshrall wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >Depending on your installation chioce you may need to configure PPP again. 

The issue can apply to your NIC as well. It has to do with module-init-tools. See this link.

http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171  


John 
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 20:14:53 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:14:53 -0400
Subject: Looking for IBM DB2 C API (headers, libraries, docs)
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040716051443.GB3213@node1.opengeometry.net>  <20040716185745.GA985@node1.opengeometry.net> 
Message-ID: <20040716201453.GA1572@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 03:22:41PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:
> 
> > I did turn Bash into .so library in an attempt to link it inside Apache.
> > It worked, but there was no real need, because CGI was good enough.
> 
> William, you must love bash more than I do ;)

I've gone full-circle.  For 30 odd years, shell had what I was looking
for all along.  I'm just adding modern stuffs that it lacks, so that it
can compete with Python/Perl/PHP/JSP/etc.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 03:24:20 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:24:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: gpl search engine/cluster arouses the interest of M$ + toronto
 pengui-powered carwash +var
Message-ID: 


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/29/los_alamos_lends_open_source/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/16/toronto_linux_store/

The register is addicitve. Try to resist following the links to other 
articles. I warned you ... it's too late.

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 03:33:41 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:33:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: email sorting/splitting/merging scripts ?
In-Reply-To: <20040716193928.GA1243-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: 
 <20040716193928.GA1243@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: 


On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:18:08PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>>
>> William Park, was it you who posted a message wrt. some
>> parsing/rewriting scripts to this list some time ago ?
>
> Yeah, you can also find it at
>    http://freshmeat.net/projects/mboxsh/
>
> Why?

Because I have to recover your message wrt. $SUBJ (and many others) from 
my backups using your scripts, so I can read it again ;-( . Fortunately I 
remembered it as being from you.

thanks,
Peter
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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 21:51:32 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:51:32 -0400
Subject: Laptop hard disk
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <40F84DE4.6090301@alteeve.com>

Do you need that specific model? Laptop drives have standardized a while 
back and now all you need to know is the thickness. If your laptop is 
relatively new (say the last couple of years) than it will most 
certainly be a 9.5mm thick, 2.5" wide drive. Some desktop replacements 
used 12mm drives and some ultra-compact ones used 4.5mm drives. Once you 
know that you can pick pretty much any make and model.

Madison

Phillip Qin wrote:
> Phoned Above All, no luck. The HDD that I am looing for is IBM 
> TravelStar DARA212000, retail price US$150. I can bid one from eBay but 
> I don't like privious component to be shipped via USPS. I remember there 
> was one store participanting CompuFest this year. I remember because 
> this store hired those tall brondies wearing short skirts to sell used 
> IBM computers. The name might be greytech?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Madison Kelly [mailto:linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org]
> Sent: July 16, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Laptop hard disk
> 
> 
> I know Above All (590 Bloor St. W, 416-588-588-8119) sometimes has used
> laptop drives (I've bought a few off of them over the years and they
> were fine). If you get stuck I can put you onto a reseller who can get
> you one two. Let me know if you don't have any luck or would rather buy
> new and I'll get you in touch with them.
> 
> Madison
> 
> Phillip Qin wrote:
>  > Does any one know if there is a store in GTA that sells new/used IBM
>  > notebook HDD?
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > PQ
>  > 
>  > Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity
>  >
> 
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From alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 22:12:54 2004
From: alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Akshay Lamba)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:42:54 +0530
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
Message-ID: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>

Hi All,

 

Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

 

Regards,

Akshay

 

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From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:27:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Akshay Lamba wrote:

> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

     I use pop3d from GNU mailutils:

     

     Start it with the -d option.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 23:33:13 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:33:13 -0400
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: <20040716233313.GZ10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 03:42:54AM +0530, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

I like courier-imap/courier-pop (and ssl versions), although they do
require using Maildir format, which probably means running exim or
postfix or qmail or something else that supports that, or you pipe
everything through procmail to make it Maildir.  Lots of options.

Lennart Sorensen
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 16 23:46:12 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:46:12 -0400
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: <20040716234612.GA2657@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 03:42:54AM +0530, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried
> qpopper but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

Slackware uses 'popa3d'.

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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 01:29:29 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:29:29 -0400
Subject: re wine
Message-ID: <200407162129.29826.wildberger@cogeco.ca>


On Friday 16 July 2004 12:17 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> ok i acept u have to pay for win4lin and since im not getting it im
> woundering about wine is there a how to an what its capible of thats up
> to date with it.
> i downlaoded wine and on a .rpm and it installed and i cant get it to
> work and www.winehq.com dont realy help much in setting it up

When you download it do it as a user.
Then su to get root privileges.
# rpm -iv wine-lateat version.rpm
# winhelp 
this creates a directory /home/user/.wine
It also installs several subdirectories like dosdevices/ and drive_c/  
(It is assumed here that you have a windows file system on your first 
partition) 
The subdirectory drive_c has two subdirectories windows/ and Program Files/
Open /mnt/win_c
locate the program you would like to run under wine.
e.g Freecell  you will find in /Windows/System32/freecell.exe
copy it to the created dir Program files.
# exit     (this gets you back to user)
$ 
select Konqueror or your favored browser and locate freecell.exe  int the 
directory tree of .wine
click on it and drag it to your desktop
close your browser, then click on the icon for freecell.
play and enjoy!
john
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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 01:31:48 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:31:48 -0400
Subject: re wine
Message-ID: <200407162131.48763.wildberger@cogeco.ca>


On Friday 16 July 2004 12:17 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> ok i acept u have to pay for win4lin and since im not getting it im
> woundering about wine is there a how to an what its capible of thats up
> to date with it.
> i downlaoded wine and on a .rpm and it installed and i cant get it to
> work and www.winehq.com dont realy help much in setting it up

When you download it do it as a user.
Then su to get root privileges.
# rpm -iv wine-lateat version.rpm
# winhelp 
this creates a directory /home/user/.wine
It also installs several subdirectories like dosdevices/ and drive_c/  
(It is assumed here that you have a windows file system on your first 
partition) 
The subdirectory drive_c has two subdirectories windows/ and Program Files/
Open /mnt/win_c
locate the program you would like to run under wine.
e.g Freecell  you will find in /Windows/System32/freecell.exe
copy it to the created dir Program files.
# exit     (this gets you back to user)
$ 
select Konqueror or your favored browser and locate freecell.exe  int the 
directory tree of .wine
click on it and drag it to your desktop
close your browser, then click on the icon for freecell.
play and enjoy!
john
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 09:07:55 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:07:55 -0400
Subject: re wine
In-Reply-To: <200407162131.48763.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407162131.48763.wildberger@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <1090055275.3921.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>

i can only see the files through my mozilla browser and when i launch it
it wants me to download it 
is there a file browser i can download 
and i have windows xp and fedora installed on my computer and it cant
see drive C
ive tryed suse before and it work and mandrake worked but i think fedora
is laking it

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 21:31, John Wildberger wrote:
> On Friday 16 July 2004 12:17 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > ok i acept u have to pay for win4lin and since im not getting it im
> > woundering about wine is there a how to an what its capible of thats up
> > to date with it.
> > i downlaoded wine and on a .rpm and it installed and i cant get it to
> > work and www.winehq.com dont realy help much in setting it up
> 
> When you download it do it as a user.
> Then su to get root privileges.
> # rpm -iv wine-lateat version.rpm
> # winhelp 
> this creates a directory /home/user/.wine
> It also installs several subdirectories like dosdevices/ and drive_c/  
> (It is assumed here that you have a windows file system on your first 
> partition) 
> The subdirectory drive_c has two subdirectories windows/ and Program Files/
> Open /mnt/win_c
> locate the program you would like to run under wine.
> e.g Freecell  you will find in /Windows/System32/freecell.exe
> copy it to the created dir Program files.
> # exit     (this gets you back to user)
> $ 
> select Konqueror or your favored browser and locate freecell.exe  int the 
> directory tree of .wine
> click on it and drag it to your desktop
> close your browser, then click on the icon for freecell.
> play and enjoy!
> john
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 06:10:59 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:10:59 +0100
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <40F7D693.3070809-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
	<20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:22:27 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> John Myshrall wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >Depending on your installation chioce you may need to configure PPP again. 

The issue can apply to your NIC as well. It has to do with module-init-tools. See this link.

http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171  


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 16:44:11 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:44:11 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
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>
> Subject:
> Re: [TLUG]: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
> From:
> Anton Markov 
> Date:
> Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:31:10 -0400
> To:
> tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>
> To:
> tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>
>
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>Hash: SHA1
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>It looks like cupsd is not running on your system. Try manually starting
>it by executing "cupsd" as root, and see if it runs.
>
Done:

chris at p733:~$ su
Password:
root at p733:/home/chris# cupsd
root at p733:/home/chris#

> If there are no
>errors, try opening a browser and going to "http://localhost:631" to
>access the Cups web-based configuration. If it works, you can use that
>to set up without using the KDE printer configuration (if you have to).
>  
>
OK. I don't know which of the following to choose. I'll go through the 
hard-copy manual that came with the printer to see which of the 
following make sense:

EPSON 9-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
EPSON 24-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
EPSON New Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
EPSON Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
EPSON Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)

>Chris Aitken wrote:
>  
>
>>I have installed knoppix 3.4 to my hard drive. Looks like the answer to
>>my prayers (i.e. sound works out-of-the-box). There are not many choices
>>when installing to the hard drive (via sudo knoppix-installer) so I
>>couldn't choose to install cups. However, the  installer did advise that
>>"kdm cupsysd will start with each boot". Alas, I can't print.
>>
>>When I open 'Configure-Printing Manager' I get 'Initializing Manager..'
>>then:
>>
>>Error - KDE Control Module
>>Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received for manager.
>>Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server correctly
>>installed and is running. Error: conection refused.
>>
>>Trying to restart the Print Server I get:
>>
>>Error - KDE Control Module
>>Unable to restart print server. Error message received for manager:
>>Unable to find a running CUPS server.
>>
>>Any ideas for steps to troubleshoot this? I read the man page for cupsd
>>-- it's short and no help for this. It took me a few days to get
>>registered on the Agnula users list -- now I'm switching to knoppix live
>>3.4 (hard disk install) so I'll hunt for a  users list for that OS. I
>>would, however, like to print something tonight to my epson stylus c84
>>if I can.
>>    
>>


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 17:23:21 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:23:21 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F9575B.6050507-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net> <40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>
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Chris Aitken wrote:

> 

OK. I don't know which of the following to choose. I'll go through the 
hard-copy manual that came with the printer to see which of the 
following make sense:

>
> EPSON 9-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON 24-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON New Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)

I went through the manual page-by-page and the other documents that came 
witht the printer -- not even oe skinny page of specifications...

Chris


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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 17:36:00 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:36:00 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F96089.2020208-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
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What does  have to say about your printer?

The 9-PIN and 24-PIN are probably for dot-matrix printers, the other
ones depend on whether you have a "color" or "photo" model. I don't know
much about Epson printers though.

Chris Aitken wrote:
> OK. I don't know which of the following to choose. I'll go through the
> hard-copy manual that came with the printer to see which of the
> following make sense:
>
>>
>> EPSON 9-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>> EPSON 24-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>> EPSON New Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>> EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>> EPSON Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>> EPSON Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
>
>
> I went through the manual page-by-page and the other documents that came
> witht the printer -- not even oe skinny page of specifications...


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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 19:05:42 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:05:42 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F96380.1000707-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
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Anton Markov wrote:

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>What does  have to say about your printer?
>  
>
Lots. One thing it suggests is to run a test as such,

escputil -i -u -r /dev/lp0

I tried to run that -- I don't even think I have the escputil application:

chris at p733:~$ escputil -i -u -r /dev/usb
bash: escputil: command not found
chris at p733:~$ /sbin/escputil -i -u -r /dev/usb
bash: /sbin/escputil: No such file or directory
chris at p733:~$ locate escputil
/usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.la
/usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.so
/usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop
chris at p733:~$ usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop -i -u -r 
/dev/usb
bash: usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop: No such file or 
directory
chris at p733:~$

I'll chip away at the suggestions (most of them over my head) -- I'll 
try what I can.



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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 17 19:12:09 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:12:09 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
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>
> Subject:
> [TLUG]: Re: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
> From:
> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
> Date:
> Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:33:27 -0400
> To:
> Chris Aitken 
>
> To:
> Chris Aitken 
> CC:
> tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:54:20PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
>  
>
>>Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Make sure you have a new enough version of gs
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>knoppix at 0[knoppix]$ gs
>>ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
>>Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
>>reserved.
>>This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
>>GS>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>(gs-esp generally best)
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ gs-esp
>>ESP Ghostscript 7.07 (2003-07-12)
>>Copyright 2003 artofcode LLC and Easy Software Products, all rights 
>>reserved.
>>This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.
>>GS>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>and the gimp-print plugin that actually supports the C84, as it won't
>>>work with any other model's driver.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>knoppix at 1[knoppix]$ su
>>root at 1[knoppix]# find / -name gimp-prin*
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/gimp-print-ijs.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-brightness.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-color.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-contrast.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-cyan.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-density.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-dither.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-gamma.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-imagetype.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inktype.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-inputslot.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-magenta.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-mediatype.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-model.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-pagesize.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-printoutmode.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-quality.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-resolution.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-saturation.xml
>>/usr/share/foomatic/db/source/opt/gimp-print-ijs-yellow.xml
>>root at 1[knoppix]#
>>
>>    
>>
If this was an rh or SuSE OS I could run rpm -q gimp-prin* to see which 
verson of gimp I'm running -- linuxprinting.org suggests I need 
Gimp-Print 4.2.2. However, knoppix is debian-based...

>>>The cups http interface should show
>>>Epson C84 on USB when you select the printer port during the setup, and
>>>then you should just be able to pick the C84 from the model list in
>>>cups, assuming it actually is new enough to support the C84.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Printer State: idle, accepting jobs.
>>Device URI: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20C84
>>
>>Is that covered in the above cut & paste?
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah I think so, given the URI.
>
>You don't have the gimp-print version shown.  I can check which version
>added C84 support.  Did you see C84 listed when you setup the printer in
>cups?
>  
>
Yes.

>Try locate -i c84|grep ppd
>  
>
chris at p733:~$ locate -i c84|grep ppd
chris at p733:~$

Chris

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 04:11:20 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:11:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: can't switch screen resolutions under knoppix 3.4/kde
Message-ID: 


As the subject says, but while in the kdm window, it works. During the 
session it does not. I have looked at kde.org, kiosk mode, and other 
things, and at knopper.net . Can anyone confirm that the resolution cannot 
be switched and that Ctrl-AltFx does not switch to consoles while in kde 
as user ? Is there a known fix ?

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 04:12:35 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:12:35 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
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On Debian, do:

$ apt-cache show cupsys-driver-gimpprint | grep "Version"

It will show you the version of your gimp-print drivers.

Chris Aitken wrote:
> If this was an rh or SuSE OS I could run rpm -q gimp-prin* to see which
> verson of gimp I'm running -- linuxprinting.org suggests I need
> Gimp-Print 4.2.2. However, knoppix is debian-based...

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 04:17:42 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:17:42 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
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Hi Chris,

# auto-apt search escputil
usr/bin/escputil        utils/escputil

Looks like you need to install the "escputil" package. I don't know if
you can use apt-get on a knoppix install (if yes, then just do "apt-get
install escputil"), but you can always download the file directly from
one of the mirrors or packages.debian.org

Chris Aitken wrote:
>>
>> What does  have to say about your printer?
>>
>>
> Lots. One thing it suggests is to run a test as such,
>
> escputil -i -u -r /dev/lp0
>
> I tried to run that -- I don't even think I have the escputil application:
>
> chris at p733:~$ escputil -i -u -r /dev/usb
> bash: escputil: command not found
> chris at p733:~$ /sbin/escputil -i -u -r /dev/usb
> bash: /sbin/escputil: No such file or directory
> chris at p733:~$ locate escputil
> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.la
> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_tool_escputil.so
> /usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop
> chris at p733:~$ usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop -i -u -r
> /dev/usb
> bash: usr/share/apps/kdeprint/tools/escputil.desktop: No such file or
> directory
> chris at p733:~$
>
> I'll chip away at the suggestions (most of them over my head) -- I'll
> try what I can.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 04:44:17 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:44:17 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F9F8B3.4020008-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
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Anton Markov wrote:

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>On Debian, do:
>
>$ apt-cache show cupsys-driver-gimpprint | grep "Version"
>
>It will show you the version of your gimp-print drivers.
>  
>
Hmmm...

chris at p733:~$ su
Password:
root at p733:/home/chris# apt-cache show cupsys-driver-gimpprint | grep 
"Version"
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
root at p733:/home/chris# apt-cache show cupsys-driver-gimpprint | grep 
"Version" | less
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
root at p733:/home/chris#



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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 04:50:05 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:50:05 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F9F9E6.7000100-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net> <40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net> <40F96089.2020208@onlink.net> <40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com> <40F97886.4090008@onlink.net> <40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>

Anton Markov wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Hi Chris,
>
># auto-apt search escputil
>usr/bin/escputil        utils/escputil
>  
>
root at p733:/home/chris# auto-apt search escputil
bash: auto-apt: command not found
root at p733:/home/chris# /sbin/auto-apt search escputil
bash: /sbin/auto-apt: No such file or directory
root at p733:/home/chris# locate auto-apt
root at p733:/home/chris#

root at p733:/home/chris# /usr/bin/escputil
bash: /usr/bin/escputil: No such file or directory
root at p733:/home/chris# /utils/escputil
bash: /utils/escputil: No such file or directory
root at p733:/home/chris#

>Looks like you need to install the "escputil" package. I don't know if
>you can use apt-get on a knoppix install (if yes, then just do "apt-get
>install escputil")
>
root at p733:/home/chris# apt-get install escputil
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
testing/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
unstable/non-US/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/main Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/contrib Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
../project/experimental/non-free Packages 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Couldn't find package escputil
root at p733:/home/chris#



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From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 13:39:57 2004
From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:39:57 -0400
Subject: re wine
In-Reply-To: <1090055275.3921.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407162131.48763.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <1090055275.3921.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200407180939.58423.wildberger@cogeco.ca>

On Saturday 17 July 2004 05:07 am, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i can only see the files through my mozilla browser and when i launch it
> it wants me to download it
> is there a file browser i can download
> and i have windows xp and fedora installed on my computer and it cant
> see drive C
> ive tryed suse before and it work and mandrake worked but i think fedora
> is laking it
>
Your message is not clear enough to assess what your problem is. If you were 
successful to install wine in suse and mandrake then you know already what is 
required, otherwise you would not have been able to make it work.
If fedora can't 'see' the drive C without making headstands, then this would 
be one more reason for me to stay away from fedora. (There are other reasons 
too). 
Why not stick to the disto that works for you??
 John
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From rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 14:30:44 2004
From: rdice-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Richard Dice)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:30:44 -0400
Subject: Damian Conway talk on Monday is at 6:30pm
Message-ID: <40FA8994.9040404@pobox.com>

Hello everyone...

It was pointed out to me last night that one of my previous messages 
said that the Monday Damian talk was at 4pm.  This is wrong!   Here is 
the correct info:

Talk:       "Small Miracles"
Time:       Monday 19 July 2004, 6:30pm - 9pm
Location:   Room S1208
             Stephen E Quinlan Building, Seneca @ York
             70 The Pond Road
             York University
             Toronto, Ontario
             http://www.yorku.ca/yorkweb/maps/york2d/  (Look for bldg#40)
Details:    http://to.pm.org/damian/

This is Damian's fun/crazy talk for his visit here this summer (c.f. 
'Quantum::Superpositions' in 2001, 'The Horror that is SelfGOL' and 
'Life, The Universe and Everything' in 2002.)

*** Special note *** -- There will be an auction of 3 O'Reilly books 
(Perl Cookbook 2nd Ed., Template Toolkit, Perl CD-ROM Bookshelf + Perl 
in a Nutshell) at the talk on Monday night!  (All 3 kindly donated by 
O'Reilly.)  Proceeds will go to The Perl Foundation. 
http://www.perlfoundation.org/gc/grants/benefits.html  If you are 
interested, remember to bring your chequebook and/or cash.

Thanks to everyone who came out yesterday to see Damian talk about Perl 
6!  I got a lot of feedback that it was very informative and that Perl 6 
looks like it's going to be one heck of a language.  Thanks especially 
for everyone who hung in there for the duration (about 5.5 hours). 
Monday night's talk will stick to schedule, so don't worry folks.

Cheers,
Richard
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 14:47:08 2004
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:47:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Ottawa Linux Symposium: a registration is available
Message-ID: 

The Ottawa Linux Symposium is running it Ottawa this week.



It starts with sign-in and a party on Tuesday afternoon and
evening, but the talks begin Wednesday morning (you can sign in
Wednesday morning).

It ends Saturday evening.

I've been for the last few years and think that it is well worth
going.  This conference is all tech, all fun -- this is not a sales or
marketing show.  The talks are way more meaty than I've seen at
Toronto LINUX shows.

I registered this year, but now cannot make it.

Is anyone interested in buying my registration?  I paid $325,
including tax.  (Registration is closed, so you cannot buy one from
the show.  If you could, it would be over $600 at this point.)

Let me know ASAP: I will soon get rid of the registration in other
ways.

Hugh Redelmeier
hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  voice: +1 416 482-8253

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 15:17:26 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:17:26 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40F9575B.6050507-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net> <40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040718151726.GA10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 12:44:11PM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> OK. I don't know which of the following to choose. I'll go through the 
> hard-copy manual that came with the printer to see which of the 
> following make sense:
> 
> EPSON 9-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON 24-PIN Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON New Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON New Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON Stylus Colour Series CUPS v1.1 (en)
> EPSON Stylus Photo Series CUPS v1.1 (en)

En Epson C84 is an Epson C84, and that is all it is.  Gimpprint drivers
for ghostscript run it perfectly, nothing else runs it at all.  It has
to be setup by picking the PPD for the Epson C84.  I know gimpprint
4.2.6 runs it for sure.

On my Debian system I have these:
foomatic-db: /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/Epson-Stylus_C84.xml
cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data:
/usr/share/cups/model/gimp-print/4.2/escp2-c84.ppd.gz

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 15:19:05 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:19:05 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40FA017D.7040409-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net> <40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net> <40F96089.2020208@onlink.net> <40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com> <40F97886.4090008@onlink.net> <40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com> <40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040718151905.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 12:50:05AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> Anton Markov wrote:
> 
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >Hi Chris,
> >
> ># auto-apt search escputil
> >usr/bin/escputil        utils/escputil
> > 
> >
> root at p733:/home/chris# auto-apt search escputil
> bash: auto-apt: command not found
> root at p733:/home/chris# /sbin/auto-apt search escputil
> bash: /sbin/auto-apt: No such file or directory
> root at p733:/home/chris# locate auto-apt
> root at p733:/home/chris#
> 
> root at p733:/home/chris# /usr/bin/escputil
> bash: /usr/bin/escputil: No such file or directory
> root at p733:/home/chris# /utils/escputil
> bash: /utils/escputil: No such file or directory
> root at p733:/home/chris#
> 
> >Looks like you need to install the "escputil" package. I don't know if
> >you can use apt-get on a knoppix install (if yes, then just do "apt-get
> >install escputil")
> >
> root at p733:/home/chris# apt-get install escputil
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/non-US/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/non-US/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> stable/non-US/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/non-US/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/non-US/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> testing/non-US/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_pub_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/non-US/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/non-US/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> unstable/non-US/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> ../project/experimental/main Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> ../project/experimental/contrib Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org 
> ../project/experimental/non-free Packages 
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) 
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Couldn't find package escputil
> root at p733:/home/chris#

That means you never did:
apt-get update
Have to do that regularly to update the available packages lists.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 17:56:21 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:56:21 -0400
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <20040716161221.2c01cfec-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>	<20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>	<40F7D693.3070809@onlink.net> <20040716161221.2c01cfec@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40FAB9C5.8000805@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:



>The issue can apply to your NIC as well. It has to do with module-init-tools. See this link.
>
>http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171  
>  
>
OK. I read the whole thing, followed the steps to...

* boot to knoppix live CD
* download knx-templates-0.39.tgz (which don't seem to get installed in 
this guy's ten steps)
* install knoppix to hd (sudo ./knoppix-installer)
* download module-init-tools_3.1-pre5-1_i386.deb (since his suggested 
module-init-tools_3.0-pre-1_i386.deb was not at the site indicated)
* run sudo chroot /mnt/hda6/ /sbin/lilo -v
* reboot to 'linux' (as his suggested LinuxOLD was not a choice)
* drop to console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) as KDE loads
* su
* cd /boot
* mkinitrd -o linux-2.6.1.gz (this, ironically, as you'll soon see is 
supposed to "make an initrd image that WON'T cause a kernel panic")
* vi /etc/lilo.conf to change 'initrd=/boot/initrd.gz' (mine was 
actually something more like 'initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.5') to 
'initrd=/boot/linux-2.6.1.gz'
* update lilo with /sbin/lilo -v
* install module-init-tools (perhaps the wrong one) with dpkg -i 
module-init-tools_3.1-pre5-1_i386.deb
* su
* vi /etc/fstab to add the line, none    /sys   sysfs   defaults   0   0
* :wq
* reboot
* choose 'linux 2.6
and I got a lot of errors, the last being,

umount: devfs : not mounted
pivot_root : No such file or directory
/sbin/init : 418 : cannot open dev/ console : No such file
Kernel panic : Attempted to kill init

I didn't want to be a slacker so I followed all the steps -- didn't work 
for me. What am I after here, John - the 2.6 kernel or the 
module-init-tools?

Chris


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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 15:39:47 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:39:47 +0100
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <20040718151905.GB10824-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net>
	<40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>
	<40F96089.2020208@onlink.net>
	<40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com>
	<40F97886.4090008@onlink.net>
	<40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com>
	<40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>
	<20040718151905.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040718163947.312361a9@pingu.opus>

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:19:05 -0400
lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 12:50:05AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> > Anton Markov wrote:
> > 
> 
> That means you never did:
> apt-get update
> Have to do that regularly to update the available packages lists.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen

Chris perhaps try

apt-get install synaptic 

This is a gui front end for apt-get. 

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 18 15:47:34 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:47:34 +0100
Subject: Failed to connect to server
In-Reply-To: <40FAB9C5.8000805-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
	<20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>
	<40F7D693.3070809@onlink.net>
	<20040716161221.2c01cfec@pingu.opus>
	<40FAB9C5.8000805@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040718164734.6deae0fb@pingu.opus>

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:56:21 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> John Myshrall wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >The issue can apply to your NIC as well. It has to do with module-init-tools. See this link.
> >
> >http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171  
> >  
> >
> OK. I read the whole thing, followed the steps to...
> 
> * boot to knoppix live CD
> * download knx-templates-0.39.tgz (which don't seem to get installed in 
> this guy's ten steps)
> * install knoppix to hd (sudo ./knoppix-installer)
> * download module-init-tools_3.1-pre5-1_i386.deb (since his suggested 
> module-init-tools_3.0-pre-1_i386.deb was not at the site indicated)
> * run sudo chroot /mnt/hda6/ /sbin/lilo -v
> * reboot to 'linux' (as his suggested LinuxOLD was not a choice)
> * drop to console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) as KDE loads
> * su
> * cd /boot
> * mkinitrd -o linux-2.6.1.gz (this, ironically, as you'll soon see is 
> supposed to "make an initrd image that WON'T cause a kernel panic")
> * vi /etc/lilo.conf to change 'initrd=/boot/initrd.gz' (mine was 
> actually something more like 'initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.5') to 
> 'initrd=/boot/linux-2.6.1.gz'
> * update lilo with /sbin/lilo -v
> * install module-init-tools (perhaps the wrong one) with dpkg -i 
> module-init-tools_3.1-pre5-1_i386.deb
> * su
> * vi /etc/fstab to add the line, none    /sys   sysfs   defaults   0   0
> * :wq
> * reboot
> * choose 'linux 2.6
> and I got a lot of errors, the last being,
> 
> umount: devfs : not mounted
> pivot_root : No such file or directory
> /sbin/init : 418 : cannot open dev/ console : No such file
> Kernel panic : Attempted to kill init
> 
> I didn't want to be a slacker so I followed all the steps -- didn't work 
> for me. What am I after here, John - the 2.6 kernel or the 
> module-init-tools?

> Chris

What kernel are you booting too / want ?  This is to resolve the 2.6 known issues with knoppix. Remember it gives 2.4 and 2.6 options. 

For now when you boot to Kmoppix you would have to configure your  NIC everytime. Hmm this take all of about 30 seconds. 

I haven't looked at the update perhaps the fix may already be in. BTW Knoppix 3.3 does not have these issues, NIC or printing. 
 
John 
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 00:33:30 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:33:30 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <20040718163947.312361a9-Kui6G6Updn6cqzYg7KEe8g@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net>	<40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>	<40F96089.2020208@onlink.net>	<40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com>	<40F97886.4090008@onlink.net>	<40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com>	<40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>	<20040718151905.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040718163947.312361a9@pingu.opus>
Message-ID: <40FB16DA.8060806@onlink.net>

John Myshrall wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:19:05 -0400
>lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 12:50:05AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Anton Markov wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>That means you never did:
>>apt-get update
>>Have to do that regularly to update the available packages lists.
>>
>>Lennart Sorensen
>>    
>>
>
>Chris perhaps try
>
>apt-get install synaptic 
>  
>
OK, it took so long to run I left the house -- when I returned the 
termainal had closed itself.

Does the following indicate it did not install?:

root at p733:/home/chris# synaptic
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


(synaptic:18353): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
root at p733:/home/chris#

chris at p733:~$ dpkg -I synaptic
dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `synaptic': No such file or directory
chris at p733:~$ su
Password:
root at p733:/home/chris# dpkg -I synaptic
dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `synaptic': No such file or directory
root at p733:/home/chris#

I guess that means it did not install. This is the first time I've used 
dpkg.

>This is a gui front end for apt-get. 
>
>John 
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From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 03:29:01 2004
From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:29:01 -0400
Subject: Acadia University Provides Xandros Desktop OS on Dell Laptops to Undergraduate Students
Message-ID: 

NEWS FLASH!

Acadia University is providing Dell laptops with Xandros Linux
preloaded on them to it's students and faculty.  Here's the official
link to the press release.

http://www.xandros.com/news/press/release24.html

This, in my opinion, is a great step toward "desktop domination". 
Xandros is a great distro (based on Debian, of course), and will do
well in the student/faculty community.

(I'm also excited since my brother-in-law is a prof at Acadia, and
I've been telling him to dump his Win98 laptop for years.)

pm

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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 03:52:12 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:52:12 +0800
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: <200407191152.12123.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

On Saturday 17 July 2004 06:12, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?
>
have you tried using vpopmail?

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Akshay

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From alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 04:17:37 2004
From: alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Akshay Lamba)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:47:37 +0530
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <200407191152.12123.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407191152.12123.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
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Not yet...but I'll give it a shot. Thanks!!

Regards,
Akshay


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JM
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:22 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: POP3 Server on Linux

On Saturday 17 July 2004 06:12, Akshay Lamba wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?
>
have you tried using vpopmail?

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Akshay

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 04:49:04 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:49:04 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40FA017D.7040409-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net> <40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net> <40F96089.2020208@onlink.net> <40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com> <40F97886.4090008@onlink.net> <40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com> <40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <40FB52C0.3070303@truxtar.com>

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Hi,

Chris Aitken wrote:
> Anton Markov wrote:
>> # auto-apt search escputil
>> usr/bin/escputil        utils/escputil
>>
>>
> root at p733:/home/chris# auto-apt search escputil
> bash: auto-apt: command not found
> root at p733:/home/chris# /sbin/auto-apt search escputil
> bash: /sbin/auto-apt: No such file or directory
> root at p733:/home/chris# locate auto-apt
> root at p733:/home/chris#
You need to do "apt-get install auto-apt" first!

> root at p733:/home/chris# apt-get install escputil
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done

> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org
> ../project/experimental/non-free Packages
>
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_.._project_experimental_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Couldn't find package escputil
> root at p733:/home/chris#

As someone has already suggested, you have to do "apt-get update".

Alternatively, just search for "escputil" on
 and download the .deb file directly.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 04:58:17 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:58:17 -0400
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40FB16DA.8060806-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net>	<40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>	<40F96089.2020208@onlink.net>	<40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com>	<40F97886.4090008@onlink.net>	<40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com>	<40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>	<20040718151905.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040718163947.312361a9@pingu.opus> <40FB16DA.8060806@onlink.net>
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Chris Aitken wrote:
> John Myshrall wrote:
>> Chris perhaps try
>>
>> apt-get install synaptic
>
> Does the following indicate it did not install?:
>
> root at p733:/home/chris# synaptic
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
>
> (synaptic:18353): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
> root at p733:/home/chris#

Actually, it looks like synaptic is installed (the binary exists). This
is a problem that occures due to strict Debian security settings (root
is not allowed to run X programs). However, I don't remember the fix for
it.

Perhaps the following command will work:
# su -m --command=/usr/sbin/synaptic

(Means: run synaptic with root privileges but keep my current shell (and
I would guess identity)


>
> chris at p733:~$ dpkg -I synaptic
> dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `synaptic': No such file or directory
> chris at p733:~$ su
> Password:
> root at p733:/home/chris# dpkg -I synaptic
> dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `synaptic': No such file or directory
> root at p733:/home/chris#
>
> I guess that means it did not install. This is the first time I've used
> dpkg.

The command you are looking for is:

# dpkg-query -s synaptic | grep Status

On my machine, it returns "Status: install ok installed" meaning
Synaptic is installed.

(Actually it means "the packaged was marked for installation and
installed correctly).

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 06:28:53 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 07:28:53 +0100
Subject: knoppix 3.4 hd install not printing
In-Reply-To: <40FB16DA.8060806-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40F94CE9.4080502@onlink.net>
	<40F9575B.6050507@onlink.net>
	<40F96089.2020208@onlink.net>
	<40F96380.1000707@truxtar.com>
	<40F97886.4090008@onlink.net>
	<40F9F9E6.7000100@truxtar.com>
	<40FA017D.7040409@onlink.net>
	<20040718151905.GB10824@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	<20040718163947.312361a9@pingu.opus>
	<40FB16DA.8060806@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040719072853.5f558c62@pingu.opus>

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:33:30 -0400
Chris Aitken  wrote:

> John Myshrall wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:19:05 -0400
> >lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 12:50:05AM -0400, Chris Aitken wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Anton Markov wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>That means you never did:
> >>apt-get update
> >>Have to do that regularly to update the available packages lists.
> >>
> >>Lennart Sorensen
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Chris perhaps try
> >
> >apt-get install synaptic 
> >  

The command is *apt-get install synaptic*

You should apt-get update first though. 

Excellent how to is here. Not to be taken as a RTFM.

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html

I'm still thinking you should have installed Suse personal 9.1 then installed Audacity from here:
 
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/unix.php



my $0.02

John 
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From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 13:30:52 2004
From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:30:52 -0400
Subject: Laptop hard disk
Message-ID: 

Thx. I have bid one on eBay, C$50 including shipping.

-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Kelly [mailto:linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] 
Sent: July 16, 2004 5:52 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Laptop hard disk


Do you need that specific model? Laptop drives have standardized a while 
back and now all you need to know is the thickness. If your laptop is 
relatively new (say the last couple of years) than it will most 
certainly be a 9.5mm thick, 2.5" wide drive. Some desktop replacements 
used 12mm drives and some ultra-compact ones used 4.5mm drives. Once you 
know that you can pick pretty much any make and model.

Madison

Phillip Qin wrote:
> Phoned Above All, no luck. The HDD that I am looing for is IBM
> TravelStar DARA212000, retail price US$150. I can bid one from eBay but 
> I don't like privious component to be shipped via USPS. I remember there 
> was one store participanting CompuFest this year. I remember because 
> this store hired those tall brondies wearing short skirts to sell used 
> IBM computers. The name might be greytech?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Madison Kelly [mailto:linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org]
> Sent: July 16, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Laptop hard disk
> 
> 
> I know Above All (590 Bloor St. W, 416-588-588-8119) sometimes has 
> used laptop drives (I've bought a few off of them over the years and 
> they were fine). If you get stuck I can put you onto a reseller who 
> can get you one two. Let me know if you don't have any luck or would 
> rather buy new and I'll get you in touch with them.
> 
> Madison
> 
> Phillip Qin wrote:
>  > Does any one know if there is a store in GTA that sells new/used 
> IBM  > notebook HDD?  >
>  > Regards,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > PQ
>  > 
>  > Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity
>  >
> 
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From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:09:50 -0400
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
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Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040719100653.02e331c0@mail.interlog.com>

At 06:12 PM 07/16/2004, Ashtray wrote:
>Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper 
>but haven?t been able to make it work
any other options?

I have used qpopper from Qualcomm in the past. It worked fine. Can you be 
more specific about what you mean when you say it doesn't work for you?


Cheers!

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From indy-k5e8U2l/CWTzIImvGDD8mw at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 16:40:26 2004
From: indy-k5e8U2l/CWTzIImvGDD8mw at public.gmane.org (Indy Singh)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:40:26 -0400
Subject: Damian Conway talks (reminder)
References: <40E16B58.90602@pobox.com>
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Hi Richard,

FYI.  I will be coming to the talk today (Monday).

See you later.

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

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From indy-k5e8U2l/CWTzIImvGDD8mw at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 16:43:45 2004
From: indy-k5e8U2l/CWTzIImvGDD8mw at public.gmane.org (Indy Singh)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:43:45 -0400
Subject: Damian Conway talks (reminder)
References: <40E16B58.90602@pobox.com>
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Please ignore the last message.

I thought this was from the PerlMongers list.  The reply function on the
PerlMongers list sends to the sender and not to the list.  Sorry about
that.

Indy Singh
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 18:20:15 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:15 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
Message-ID: <1090261215.1055.4.camel@localhost>

After  work convincing a new client, they want to move away
from AOL.  They're not at the stage where they're ready to move away
from Windows, so I need some way to get their contact and email data out
from AOL and into Outlook.  Is there an easy, preferably free tool to do
this?

TIA!

Kareem

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 18:28:29 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:28:29 -0400
Subject: Failed to connect to server
References: <40F727DE.9040604@onlink.net>
		<20040715234437.0dea80d0@pingu.opus>
		<40F7D693.3070809@onlink.net>
		<20040716161221.2c01cfec@pingu.opus>
		<40FAB9C5.8000805@onlink.net> <20040718164734.6deae0fb@pingu.opus>
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John Myshrall wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:56:21 -0400
> Chris Aitken  wrote:
>
> > John Myshrall wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > >The issue can apply to your NIC as well. It has to do with module-init-tools. See this link.
> > >
> > >http://knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171



> What kernel are you booting too / want ?  This is to resolve the 2.6 known issues with knoppix. Remember it gives 2.4 and 2.6 options.

Yeah. I was happy to boot to 2.4, but you sent me this link that instructs installing knoppix 3.4 with 6.2 kernel and installing
module-init-tools. So, I thought I'd show some effort by doing it. Maybe you just meant for me to install module-init-tools but not the
2.6 kernel.

> For now when you boot to Kmoppix you would have to configure your  NIC everytime. Hmm this take all of about 30 seconds.

I don't begrudge the time it takes to configure the NIC. It's just that after I did I had a problem with ppp. I don't have the ppp problem
now anymore anyway as I re-installed knoppix 3.4 to the hard drive. However, I won't configure eth0 again until I know what I'm doing. I'm
clear on IP (192.168.0.2) and subnet mask (255.255.255.0) but I'm not clear on default gateway, braodcast IP, etc -- and there is no
option to ignore (and I don't know the ramifications of leaving them blank and hitting OK).

My other problem is printing -- neither cups nor ldp is working for me. I have another thread going for that. BTW, I haven't forgotten
your suggestion to give SuSE 9.1 Personal another try. However, for that one 'd prefer to be walked through it over the phone. I read a
long manual on installing SuSE (an older version) -- I couldn't find one for 9.1 -- for that I'd have to purchase a box set -- which I
might. I couldn't even play audio CDs when I installed 9.1. That didn't bode well for a production machine for a music lessons & recording
business.

All hardware and connections are fine on my system -- they work under knoppix and W98 (which I have on this system).

> I haven't looked at the update perhaps the fix may already be in. BTW Knoppix 3.3 does not have these issues, NIC or printing.

Yeah, I read that on the knoppix mailing list -- I think it's time I got high-speed so I can get software for myself. it sounds like
knoppix 3.3 would work just fine for me.

Chris

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From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 19:02:37 2004
From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:02:37 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
Message-ID: 

Contacts and email are stored in two different formats. Search Internet for
AOL Filing Cabinet for converting AOL mailbox to outlook. This is a pretty
good start for address book http://aoleave.com/aoleave2.html.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kareem Shehata [mailto:kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org] 
Sent: July 19, 2004 2:20 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: AOL 7.0 Data


After  work convincing a new client, they want to move away
from AOL.  They're not at the stage where they're ready to move away from
Windows, so I need some way to get their contact and email data out from AOL
and into Outlook.  Is there an easy, preferably free tool to do this?

TIA!

Kareem

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 19:18:25 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:18:25 -0400
Subject: Strange postresSQL errors...
Message-ID: <40FC1E81.6010505@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I was working on my backup program when I started getting this error. 
It seems out of the blue because what I was working on had nothing to do 
with the operations around this error. The error is in the middle of 
some database calls the program was making and the number before the DB 
call is the program line number. PostgresSQL 7.4 on Fedora Core 1:


=- Error -=

  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
file_name='3d' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/3d' AND 
file_name='Tt' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
file_name='Alteeve's Niche' AND 
file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'

DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR:  syntax error at or near "s" at 
character 173 at ./cron.pl line 2589.
DBD::Pg::st fetchrow_array failed: no statement executing at ./cron.pl 
line 2590.
sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file

  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
file_name='an-webmail' AND 
file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE 
file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail' AND 
file_name='webmail' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
file_dir WHERE 
file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail/webmail' AND 
file_name='class' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'

  =- End error -=

Here is the chunk of code with the line numbers:

  =- Code Snippet -=

2587: $ln=__LINE__; print " | |- $ln DBI: SELECT file_backup, 
file_restore, file_display FROM file_dir WHERE 
file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND file_name='$file_name' AND 
file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'\n";
2588: $DBreq=$DB->prepare("SELECT file_backup, file_restore FROM 
file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND 
file_name='$file_name' AND file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'") || die 
$DBI::errstr;
2589: $passed_file_backup=$DBreq->execute();
2590: @passed_file_backup=$DBreq->fetchrow_array();
2591: $passed_file_backup=@passed_file_backup[0];

  =- End Code Snippet -=

   It looks like it is erroring on the 'execute' and 'fetchrow_array'. 
It performs this call hundreds of times and the error only pops up once 
or twice. Any insight will be greatly appreciated!!

The ever-question-asking Madison
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 19:29:35 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:29:35 -0400
Subject: Strange postresSQL errors...
In-Reply-To: <40FC1E81.6010505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FC1E81.6010505@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <20040719192934.GA21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 03:18:25PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   I was working on my backup program when I started getting this error. 
> It seems out of the blue because what I was working on had nothing to do 
> with the operations around this error. The error is in the middle of 
> some database calls the program was making and the number before the DB 
> call is the program line number. PostgresSQL 7.4 on Fedora Core 1:
> 
> 
> =- Error -=
> 
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='3d' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/3d' AND 
> file_name='Tt' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='Alteeve's Niche' AND 
                    ^--- you must escape quotes in strings before
		    passing them to postgres.
> file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
> 
> DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR:  syntax error at or near "s" at 
> character 173 at ./cron.pl line 2589.

The 's made it look like end of string followed by an unexpected s
keyword.

> DBD::Pg::st fetchrow_array failed: no statement executing at ./cron.pl 
> line 2590.
> sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
> sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
> 
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='an-webmail' AND 
> file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail' AND 
> file_name='webmail' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail/webmail' AND 
> file_name='class' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
> 
>  =- End error -=
> 
> Here is the chunk of code with the line numbers:
> 
>  =- Code Snippet -=
> 
> 2587: $ln=__LINE__; print " | |- $ln DBI: SELECT file_backup, 
> file_restore, file_display FROM file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND file_name='$file_name' AND 
> file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'\n";
> 2588: $DBreq=$DB->prepare("SELECT file_backup, file_restore FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND 
> file_name='$file_name' AND file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'") || die 
> $DBI::errstr;
> 2589: $passed_file_backup=$DBreq->execute();
> 2590: @passed_file_backup=$DBreq->fetchrow_array();
> 2591: $passed_file_backup=@passed_file_backup[0];
> 
>  =- End Code Snippet -=
> 
>   It looks like it is erroring on the 'execute' and 'fetchrow_array'. 
> It performs this call hundreds of times and the error only pops up once 
> or twice. Any insight will be greatly appreciated!!

Hope that helps.  There are usually functions to automatically do it for
you in most DB libraries.  In the case of postgresql, you escape with '\'.


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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 19 19:30:05 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:30:05 -0400
Subject: Solved -> e:Strange postresSQL errors...
In-Reply-To: <40FC1E81.6010505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FC1E81.6010505@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <40FC213D.7060406@alteeve.com>

Gya!! Stoopid mistake...

Lance pointed out to me my mistake. I didn't properly quote the file name:

 >  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM
 > file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND
 > file_name='Alteeve's Niche' AND
 > file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'

The "'Alteeve's Niche'" was the cause. Sorry for the noise!

Madison

Madison Kelly wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   I was working on my backup program when I started getting this error. 
> It seems out of the blue because what I was working on had nothing to do 
> with the operations around this error. The error is in the middle of 
> some database calls the program was making and the number before the DB 
> call is the program line number. PostgresSQL 7.4 on Fedora Core 1:
> 
> 
> =- Error -=
> 
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='3d' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/3d' AND 
> file_name='Tt' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='Alteeve's Niche' AND 
> file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
> 
> DBD::Pg::st execute failed: ERROR:  syntax error at or near "s" at 
> character 173 at ./cron.pl line 2589.
> DBD::Pg::st fetchrow_array failed: no statement executing at ./cron.pl 
> line 2590.
> sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
> sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
> 
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive' AND 
> file_name='an-webmail' AND 
> file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail' AND 
> file_name='webmail' AND 
> file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
>  | |- 2587 DBI: SELECT file_backup, file_restore, file_display FROM 
> file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='/Business/AlteevesNiche/Archive/an-webmail/webmail' AND 
> file_name='class' AND file_src_uuid='21b8155e-bf55-446c-9776-7d72b451e91e'
> 
>  =- End error -=
> 
> Here is the chunk of code with the line numbers:
> 
>  =- Code Snippet -=
> 
> 2587: $ln=__LINE__; print " | |- $ln DBI: SELECT file_backup, 
> file_restore, file_display FROM file_dir WHERE 
> file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND file_name='$file_name' AND 
> file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'\n";
> 2588: $DBreq=$DB->prepare("SELECT file_backup, file_restore FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND 
> file_name='$file_name' AND file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'") || die 
> $DBI::errstr;
> 2589: $passed_file_backup=$DBreq->execute();
> 2590: @passed_file_backup=$DBreq->fetchrow_array();
> 2591: $passed_file_backup=@passed_file_backup[0];
> 
>  =- End Code Snippet -=
> 
>   It looks like it is erroring on the 'execute' and 'fetchrow_array'. It 
> performs this call hundreds of times and the error only pops up once or 
> twice. Any insight will be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> The ever-question-asking Madison
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From Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 02:51:51 2004
From: Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:51:51 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
Message-ID: <1090291910.11971.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello all,

I have this annoying and ongoing issue on a FC1 machine; umount refuses
to unmount /dev/cdrom, and the drive refuseses to let go of a disk.

Sometimes I can eject a cd with Nautilus, sometimes not.

Currently, I'm using a lazy unmount and then waiting for 10 or 20
minutes.  After that I can eject the disk.  I've also tried waiting and
running umount / umount -f but neither seem to help.

Any advice would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
- Scott.



Quick specs:
PIII 600Mhz, unknown chipset/mb (the troublespot I'd imagine)
Fedora Core 1
HP9500 CDR/W
umount message: device or resource busy



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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 03:24:51 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:24:51 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
In-Reply-To: <1090291910.11971.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <1090293891.1057.15.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-19 at 22:51, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have this annoying and ongoing issue on a FC1 machine; umount refuses
> to unmount /dev/cdrom, and the drive refuseses to let go of a disk.
> 
> Sometimes I can eject a cd with Nautilus, sometimes not.
> 
> Currently, I'm using a lazy unmount and then waiting for 10 or 20
> minutes.  After that I can eject the disk.  I've also tried waiting and
> running umount / umount -f but neither seem to help.
> 
> Any advice would be most appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> - Scott.
> 
> 
> 
> Quick specs:
> PIII 600Mhz, unknown chipset/mb (the troublespot I'd imagine)
> Fedora Core 1
> HP9500 CDR/W
> umount message: device or resource busy

Okay, I'll ask the dumb questions first... my apologies if you've done
this already.

1) have you done lsof to check for anything open on the mount point?
i.e. are you sure everything (including the terminal you're in) isn't
touching the cdrom?

2) have you tried eject /dev/cdrom ?

Kareem

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From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 03:40:07 2004
From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:40:07 -0400
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb-yPhac1d4APVDY8u5zQLvOFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
References: <000501c46b82$0b404b60$311965cb@corporate.bharti.com>
Message-ID: <20040719234007.36eaf5d4.joehill@sympatico.ca>

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:42:54 +0530
Akshay Lamba disseminated the following:

> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

The easiest to set up, IME, has been imap (not courier). There should be
packages available for Mandrake, Debian, etc. Install, configure clients, done.

What distro are you running?

RPM's available here:

http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=imap&submit=Search+...

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From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 03:38:54 2004
From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:38:54 -0400
Subject: Strange postresSQL errors...
In-Reply-To: <40FC1E81.6010505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20040720033854.GC6823@biff.bort.ca>

You already know that quoting was the problem but...

On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 03:18:25PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote:
> 2588: $DBreq=$DB->prepare("SELECT file_backup, file_restore FROM 
> file_dir WHERE file_parent_dir='$file_parent_dir' AND 
> file_name='$file_name' AND file_src_uuid='$file_src_uuid'") || die 
> $DBI::errstr;
> 2589: $passed_file_backup=$DBreq->execute();

don't do it like that.  Use placeholders and then you don't have to
worry about quoting.

    $DBreq = $DB->prepare("
      SELECT file_backup, file_restore 
      FROM file_dir 
      WHERE file_parent_dir = ? AND file_name = ? AND file_src_uuid = ?
    ") || die $DBI::errstr;
    $passed_file_backup = $DBreq->execute(
        $file_parent_dir, $file_name, $file_src_uuid,
    );

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From alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 03:52:00 2004
From: alamba-KEM+DXFYpnDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Akshay Lamba)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:22:00 +0530
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <20040719234007.36eaf5d4.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040719234007.36eaf5d4.joehill@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <000101c46e0c$e939d1c0$fb01a8c0@corporate.bharti.com>

Redhat 9. Have tried a bunch of them by now without much success. 

Regards,
Akshay


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Subject: Re: [TLUG]: POP3 Server on Linux

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:42:54 +0530
Akshay Lamba disseminated the following:

> Could you direct me to a pop3 server I could use on linux. I tried qpopper
> but haven't been able to make it work.any other options?

The easiest to set up, IME, has been imap (not courier). There should be
packages available for Mandrake, Debian, etc. Install, configure clients,
done.

What distro are you running?

RPM's available here:

http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=imap&submit=Search+..
.

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From Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 04:23:35 2004
From: Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:23:35 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
In-Reply-To: <1090293891.1057.15.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090291910.11971.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090293891.1057.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1090297414.12532.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>


> Okay, I'll ask the dumb questions first... my apologies if you've done
> this already.

Lol.  No apologies necessary - in a lot of ways, I'm still a newbie with
basic *nix.  Most of the time I've spent with linux in the past 2 years
has been focused more on perl than linux.  (The rest I'm learning as I
need it.)

> 1) have you done lsof to check for anything open on the mount point?
> i.e. are you sure everything (including the terminal you're in) isn't
> touching the cdrom?

I've never really used or needed lsof (at least not until now.)

> 2) have you tried eject /dev/cdrom ?
Tried it, and again got:
  eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument

however this time the disk did eject.

Thanks, and will have to look into lsof a bit.  :)

Take care,
- Scott.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 00:57:11 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: POP3 Server on Linux
In-Reply-To: <200407191152.12123.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
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 <200407191152.12123.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
Message-ID: 


This popper works here:

apt-get install mailutils-pop3d

Peter
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 11:03:09 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:03:09 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <1090261215.1055.4.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090261215.1055.4.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407200703.09920.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 19, 2004 02:20 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> After  work convincing a new client, they want to move away
> from AOL. ?They're not at the stage where they're ready to move away
> from Windows, so I need some way to get their contact and email data out
> from AOL and into Outlook. ?Is there an easy, preferably free tool to do
> this?

It is a terrible idea, you aren't doing them any favours.  Convert them to 
netscape, mozilla, eudora or xyz, *anything* but Outlook.

Outlook is even more of a security nightmare than Internet Explorer.  Does 
your client enjoys random popups, being used as a spam relay and their 
computer doing wierd things at inopportune moments???

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Georgetown, Ontario, Canada                               Debian GNU/Linux
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 12:57:42 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:57:42 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <200407200703.09920.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090261215.1055.4.camel@localhost>
	 <200407200703.09920.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <1090328262.1055.20.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 07:03, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> It is a terrible idea, you aren't doing them any favours.  Convert them to 
> netscape, mozilla, eudora or xyz, *anything* but Outlook.
> 
> Outlook is even more of a security nightmare than Internet Explorer.  Does 
> your client enjoys random popups, being used as a spam relay and their 
> computer doing wierd things at inopportune moments???

I've heard that outlook is less than great, but I didn't think it was
worse than IE (I didn't think anything could be that bad).  In that
case, let me ask you this: what would you suggest that's free (as in
beer), light enough to run on a pentium running Win98 (as I said, I'm
working on that), and simple and stable enough for an admin assistant to
use?

Kareem

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 --------------------------------------------------------------------
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     than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to
     avoid trouble.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 13:23:15 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:23:15 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <1090328262.1055.20.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090261215.1055.4.camel@localhost> <200407200703.09920.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1090328262.1055.20.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040720132315.GB21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 08:57:42AM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> I've heard that outlook is less than great, but I didn't think it was
> worse than IE (I didn't think anything could be that bad).  In that
> case, let me ask you this: what would you suggest that's free (as in
> beer), light enough to run on a pentium running Win98 (as I said, I'm
> working on that), and simple and stable enough for an admin assistant to
> use?

Outlook uses IE as its embedded browser.  It hence has all the problems
of IE and then some.

Besides if you pick something other than Outlook, you have a chance to
just move your files over later if the machine migrates away from
windows.

Lennart Sorensen
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From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 13:56:35 2004
From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:56:35 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
Message-ID: 

Hi Scott,

I've had the same problem myself. Take a look at lsof as suggested and "lsof 
| grep for /mnt/cdrom". I'm almost positive the result will tell you that 
fam is using it. fam is some kind of program that handles the graphics file 
brownsers and such... When there is a modification to a file or it's 
location or deleted, fam knows and notifies instantly all programs that may 
be viewing a file tree. This is useful (is it?) when you delete a file (or 
modify or move or...) so that the file browser gets updated instantly 
instead of having to refresh the view of files in the directory. Anyhow, I 
usually just kill the process and be done with it. My question is: is there 
a solution to this problem? Has anyone fixed it? I usually keep my system 
updated...Aside from that I haven't spent any time investigating that 
particular problem...

cheers!

Martin


Hello all,

I have this annoying and ongoing issue on a FC1 machine; umount refuses
to unmount /dev/cdrom, and the drive refuseses to let go of a disk.

Sometimes I can eject a cd with Nautilus, sometimes not.

Currently, I'm using a lazy unmount and then waiting for 10 or 20
minutes.  After that I can eject the disk.  I've also tried waiting and
running umount / umount -f but neither seem to help.

Any advice would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
- Scott.



Quick specs:
PIII 600Mhz, unknown chipset/mb (the troublespot I'd imagine)
Fedora Core 1
HP9500 CDR/W
umount message: device or resource busy



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From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:00:56 2004
From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:00:56 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D@lynchmail2.lynch.msft>

Why not introduce them to Mozilla? You can use Firefox for the browser and Thunderbird for the email client.



Regards,

Wil McGilvery
Manager
Lynch Digital Media Inc

         

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Kareem Shehata
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:58 AM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TLUG]: AOL 7.0 Data

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 07:03, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> It is a terrible idea, you aren't doing them any favours.  Convert them to 
> netscape, mozilla, eudora or xyz, *anything* but Outlook.
> 
> Outlook is even more of a security nightmare than Internet Explorer.  Does 
> your client enjoys random popups, being used as a spam relay and their 
> computer doing wierd things at inopportune moments???

I've heard that outlook is less than great, but I didn't think it was
worse than IE (I didn't think anything could be that bad).  In that
case, let me ask you this: what would you suggest that's free (as in
beer), light enough to run on a pentium running Win98 (as I said, I'm
working on that), and simple and stable enough for an admin assistant to
use?

Kareem

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 --------------------------------------------------------------------
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     than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to
     avoid trouble.
       -- Mahatma Ghandi
 ********************************************************************/

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:03:09 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:03:09 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <1090328262.1055.20.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090261215.1055.4.camel@localhost> <200407200703.09920.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1090328262.1055.20.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407201003.09409.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 20, 2004 08:57 am, Kareem Shehata wrote:

> I've heard that outlook is less than great, but I didn't think it was
> worse than IE (I didn't think anything could be that bad).  In that

It's worse because nobody can force your IE to go to a suspect page (at least 
on a non-trojaned machine) but anyone can send you spam that loads and 
"executes" suspect HTML (Outlook uses IE for rendering).

> case, let me ask you this: what would you suggest that's free (as in
> beer), light enough to run on a pentium running Win98 (as I said, I'm
> working on that), and simple and stable enough for an admin assistant to
> use?

Not a Windows user so I can't say for sure.  You could try out 
mozilla-thunderbird for email, there's also eudora (I'm pretty sure a free 
version exists).

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From pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:15:01 2004
From: pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:15:01 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
Message-ID: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>

I've been dreaming lately of a piece of software that probably doesn't 
exist.  Since my specifications for it are really fuzzy I also can't 
say I'd recognize it if it *did* exist.  My intent here is to 
'scribble' some thoughts and see if anyone has suggestions about things 
that do -- or approach -- what I'm describing.  (For this exercise, 
Open Source is pretty much a requirement since I'd probably want to 
modify anything I found.)

- The primary data element is free-form text
- It's allowed to have structured attributes
- It exists (or may be viewed) in a hierarchical structure
- A single data element may be part of many hierarchies
- Data elements may be related by categorization and/or content
- Data elements may change role (e.g. a 'leaf' element may become a 
sub-category with its 'content' transformed into an attribute...or a 
new leaf.)
- Some form of automatic categorization via content analysis would be 
nice

Some things come to mind.
- When people are taught to use time management systems, they're told 
to enter things under various headings.  Some PIM software emulates 
this in a comparatively-inflexible manner.
- What I'm imagining isn't too different structurally from a file 
system with symbolic links...except for the attribute part.  (Other 
than MS's Structured Storage, what schemes are there for embedding a 
file system inside a file?)
- My memory of Lotus Agenda says it would have been close, so the 
Chandler project may do (much of) what I want, but I'd rather not wait 
three or four years.
- It's all very much like an object-oriented class browser without the 
syntax checking...assuming multiple-inheritance and re-factoring 
capability.
- "Content Management Systems" seem like they should include this 
functionality, but the ones I've used aren't good at the 'change role' 
part of the requirements.

My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion 
loose notes I make on every possible topic.

Comments?  Thoughts?

URLs?  :-)

........................
Phillip Mills
Multi-platform software development
(416) 224-0714

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:11:54 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:11:54 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D@lynchmail2.lynch.msft>
Message-ID: <40FD282A.6030008@295.ca>

Wil McGilvery wrote:

>Why not introduce them to Mozilla? You can use Firefox for the browser and Thunderbird for the email client.
>  
>

Another good reason to use Thunderbird is that it is identical in look 
and functionality between its linux and windows versions, so it requires 
no translating or re-learning when you switch OSes... :-)

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mozilla|mozilla
firefox|thunderbird

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From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:32:40 2004
From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:32:40 -0400
Subject: AOL 7.0 Data
In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D@lynchmail2.lynch.ms
 ft>
References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC510F6C9D@lynchmail2.lynch.ms
 ft>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040720103006.026facd0@pop1.sympatico.ca>

When I'm in Linux I use Opera because Mozilla suddenly stopped working for me.

At 10:00 AM 7/20/04, you wrote:
>Why not introduce them to Mozilla? You can use Firefox for the browser and 
>Thunderbird for the email client.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Wil McGilvery
>Manager
>Lynch Digital Media Inc
>
>
>
>416-744-7949
>416-716-3964 (cell)
>1-866-314-4678
>416-744-0406  FAX
>www.LynchDigital.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Kareem Shehata
>Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:58 AM
>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: AOL 7.0 Data
>
>On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 07:03, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > It is a terrible idea, you aren't doing them any favours.  Convert them to
> > netscape, mozilla, eudora or xyz, *anything* but Outlook.
> >
> > Outlook is even more of a security nightmare than Internet Explorer.  Does
> > your client enjoys random popups, being used as a spam relay and their
> > computer doing wierd things at inopportune moments???
>
>I've heard that outlook is less than great, but I didn't think it was
>worse than IE (I didn't think anything could be that bad).  In that
>case, let me ask you this: what would you suggest that's free (as in
>beer), light enough to run on a pentium running Win98 (as I said, I'm
>working on that), and simple and stable enough for an admin assistant to
>use?
>
>Kareem
>
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>/*********************************************************************
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>  --------------------------------------------------------------------
>      A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater
>      than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to
>      avoid trouble.
>        -- Mahatma Ghandi
>  ********************************************************************/
>
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 14:48:16 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:48:16 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
Message-ID: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>

Hey,

I don't have all the specs for you, sorry but I have the error log at
home and forgot to take it to work :( but I will email it when I get
home if this can't be solved without the error log.  I just thought it
might be something people have ran into before.

Just about a week ago my cd-burner stopped working with cd-rw.  It
cannot erase them, or burn to them.  At first I thought it was a
software problem, but I tried it with Nero and Roxie.  Then I thought it
was a cd problem, but I just bought a box of cd-rws yesterday and it
didn't work with them either.  It will burn to regular cds however.  Has
anyone run into this before?  What could cause a cd-burner to stop
working like that?.  The errors are messages like calibration error or
sequence error.

Thanks for the help.

Later


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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 15:55:18 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:55:18 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090334896.2426.9.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040720155518.GC21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:48:16AM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> I don't have all the specs for you, sorry but I have the error log at
> home and forgot to take it to work :( but I will email it when I get
> home if this can't be solved without the error log.  I just thought it
> might be something people have ran into before.
> 
> Just about a week ago my cd-burner stopped working with cd-rw.  It
> cannot erase them, or burn to them.  At first I thought it was a
> software problem, but I tried it with Nero and Roxie.  Then I thought it
> was a cd problem, but I just bought a box of cd-rws yesterday and it
> didn't work with them either.  It will burn to regular cds however.  Has
> anyone run into this before?  What could cause a cd-burner to stop
> working like that?.  The errors are messages like calibration error or
> sequence error.
> 
> Thanks for the help.

Do you have a CD-RW known to work with that drive before?

Remember there are 3 types of CD-RW media.

1-4X, 4-10X high speed, and 10X+ ultra high speed.

Most drives can only use 1 or 2 types, and will not work at all with
other types.  That is not true of CD-R media, where pretty much any
drive can write to any media at whatever is the highest speed in common
between the media and the drive.

What does this tell you:

cdrecord -atip -dev (your device like hdc or sg0 or something)

Lennart Sorensen
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 16:13:15 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:13:15 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <20040720155518.GC21656-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040720155518.GC21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 11:55, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:48:16AM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > I don't have all the specs for you, sorry but I have the error log at
> > home and forgot to take it to work :( but I will email it when I get
> > home if this can't be solved without the error log.  I just thought it
> > might be something people have ran into before.
> > 
> > Just about a week ago my cd-burner stopped working with cd-rw.  It
> > cannot erase them, or burn to them.  At first I thought it was a
> > software problem, but I tried it with Nero and Roxie.  Then I thought it
> > was a cd problem, but I just bought a box of cd-rws yesterday and it
> > didn't work with them either.  It will burn to regular cds however.  Has
> > anyone run into this before?  What could cause a cd-burner to stop
> > working like that?.  The errors are messages like calibration error or
> > sequence error.
> > 
> > Thanks for the help.
> 
> Do you have a CD-RW known to work with that drive before?
> 
> Remember there are 3 types of CD-RW media.
> 
> 1-4X, 4-10X high speed, and 10X+ ultra high speed.
> 
> Most drives can only use 1 or 2 types, and will not work at all with
> other types.  That is not true of CD-R media, where pretty much any
> drive can write to any media at whatever is the highest speed in common
> between the media and the drive.
> 
> What does this tell you:
> 
> cdrecord -atip -dev (your device like hdc or sg0 or something)
> 
> Lennart Sorensen

Hey Lennart,

Thanks for your reply.  Yeah, I never thought of that :).  However, I
did try a cd that it worked with before...however I think that that cd
might not be in great shape.  That is why I bought the new cds.  It says
on the package that they are 4x-12x.  I am pretty sure that my burner
can do 2x and 4x and 6x.  If this is true that should be ok right?  This
is my cd burner at home so I will have to check when I get home for
sure.  Maybe I should force it to do 6x?

Later


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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 16:34:48 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:34:48 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090339995.2426.26.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040720155518.GC21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

> Thanks for your reply.  Yeah, I never thought of that :).  However, I
> did try a cd that it worked with before...however I think that that cd
> might not be in great shape.  That is why I bought the new cds.  It says
> on the package that they are 4x-12x.  I am pretty sure that my burner
> can do 2x and 4x and 6x.  If this is true that should be ok right?  This
> is my cd burner at home so I will have to check when I get home for
> sure.  Maybe I should force it to do 6x?

Well what speed does the drive do CD-R and what speed does it do CD-RW.
The drive always has different speeds for the two types.

In my experience, the CD-RW speed is either, 1-4x or 4-10x or something
higher.

If the media says 4-12x, then it requries a drive that is CD-RW
highspeed compatible, not one that does 1-4x CD-RW.

What model is the CD writer?

I suspect it is probably getting harder to find media for the old CD-RW
drives that only do up to 4x.  Of course with the price of a modern CD
writer, who cares?

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From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 17:40:39 2004
From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:40:39 -0400
Subject: TLDP needs help with reviews
Message-ID: <20040720174039.GB20532@smeagol>

Hello everyone!

The Linux Documentation Project has fallen behind with its reviews. I am
looking for new people to help out with both technical and language
reviews. If you are interested in conducting one of the reviews, please
contact me OFFLIST.

Our review guidelines are available from:
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LDP-Reviewer-HOWTO/

Documents are available from:
http://tldp.org/authors/inprogress.html

Spam Filtering for Mail Exchangers HOWTO 	
Requires: language and technical reviews

iBook G4 HOWTO 	
Requires: language and technical reviews

Bible Translation Software Using Windows Emulators HOWTO 	
Technical and Language reviews required

Circuit Simulation Using SPICE on gEDA HOWTO 	
Requires: language and technical reviews

Linux Daemon HOWTO 	
Requires: language and technical reviews

Beowulf HOWTO 	
Requires: technical review

Thank you for your interest, I hope to hear from you!
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From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 22:16:09 2004
From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:16:09 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
Message-ID: <20040720181609.54eb6ae3@pino>

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:15:01 -0400, Phillip Mills  wrote:

> My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
> documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion 
> loose notes I make on every possible topic.

Yank has solved my 'notes' requirement:

  http://yank.sourceforge.net/

Cheers,
Anthony

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 19:10:18 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 20 Jul 2004 15:10:18 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Martin Duclos"  writes:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> I've had the same problem myself. Take a look at lsof as suggested and "lsof
> | grep for /mnt/cdrom".

While I agree that lsof is a great tool, fuser is simpler for this particular
job.  For example:

    fuser -m /mnt/cdrom

will list all PIDs using the filesystem mounted at /mnt/cdrom and

    fuser -km /mnt/cdrom

will kill them.

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 05:13:43 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:13:43 -0400
Subject: umount refusing to unmount /dev/cdrom
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	 
Message-ID: <1090386822.5269.11.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 15:10, Tim Writer wrote:
> While I agree that lsof is a great tool, fuser is simpler for this particular
> job.  For example:
> 
>     fuser -m /mnt/cdrom
> 
> will list all PIDs using the filesystem mounted at /mnt/cdrom and
> 
>     fuser -km /mnt/cdrom
> 
> will kill them.

I'd somehow missed -m in the fuser manual.  I still like the information
output from lsof, but you're right fuser is simpler for just getting rid
of processes holding something you want to unmount.  Thanks for the tip!

Kareem

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 20:32:59 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:32:59 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
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Message-ID: <40FD817B.3090100@truxtar.com>

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Hi Phillip,

It sounds like what you are looking for is a Content Management System
(as you have suggested yourself) with perhaps the addition of a search
engine and some custom meta-data. Here are two sites that list many
content management systems. The opensourceCMS one allows you to try them
out as well:




Hope this helps.


Phillip Mills wrote:

>
> My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project
> documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion
> loose notes I make on every possible topic.
>
> Comments?  Thoughts?
>
> URLs?  :-)

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 06:40:59 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:40:59 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
Message-ID: <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Phillip Mills wrote:
> - What I'm imagining isn't too different structurally from a file 
> system with symbolic links...except for the attribute part.  (Other 
> than MS's Structured Storage, what schemes are there for embedding a 
> file system inside a file?)

MIME email has hierarchy.  I would imagine HTML-variation has one too.

> My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
> documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion 
> loose notes I make on every possible topic.

I use coiled notebook for this.  

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From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 20 22:09:22 2004
From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:09:22 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <20040720163448.GD21656-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <200407201809.23119.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca>

You should try to re-use a CDRW disk that you wrote on this drive before.

If you cannot use an old CDRW now, it mey well be a hardware failure of the 
drive. Then you need a new drive.

I have had a drive in which at first CDRWs fail, and then only certain colour 
CDRs would work. (It didn't like green. I was told this was nonsense.)

Throughout all this, HP assured me that the problem was Adaptex/Roxio 
software. I went   through many, many software upgrades, to no avail. When 
the drive finally failed utterly, it was  just out of warranty. HP then told 
me that the laser had failed gradually, "becoming weaker". 

Duncan


On Tuesday 20 July 2004 12:34 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.  Yeah, I never thought of that :).  However, I
> > did try a cd that it worked with before...however I think that that cd
> > might not be in great shape.  That is why I bought the new cds.  It says
> > on the package that they are 4x-12x.  I am pretty sure that my burner
> > can do 2x and 4x and 6x.  If this is true that should be ok right?  This
> > is my cd burner at home so I will have to check when I get home for
> > sure.  Maybe I should force it to do 6x?
>
> Well what speed does the drive do CD-R and what speed does it do CD-RW.
> The drive always has different speeds for the two types.
>
> In my experience, the CD-RW speed is either, 1-4x or 4-10x or something
> higher.
>
> If the media says 4-12x, then it requries a drive that is CD-RW
> highspeed compatible, not one that does 1-4x CD-RW.
>
> What model is the CD writer?
>
> I suspect it is probably getting harder to find media for the old CD-RW
> drives that only do up to 4x.  Of course with the price of a modern CD
> writer, who cares?
>
> Lennart Sorensen
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From pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 11:56:42 2004
From: pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:56:42 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040721064059.GA1168-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <08531352-DB0D-11D8-9D94-00050249A5C8@istop.com>

On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:40 AM, William Park wrote:

>> My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project
>> documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion
>> loose notes I make on every possible topic.
>
> I use coiled notebook for this.

I'm having trouble making those do the multiple-hierarchy thing...and I 
don't like my cut-and-paste to require *real* paste.  :-)

........................
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Multi-platform software development
(416) 224-0714

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From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 12:16:36 2004
From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:16:36 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <08531352-DB0D-11D8-9D94-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
	<20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net>
	<08531352-DB0D-11D8-9D94-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
Message-ID: <20040721081636.3c89914c.rob@cheapersafer.com>

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:56:42 -0400
Phillip Mills  wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:40 AM, William Park wrote:
> 
> >> My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project
> >> documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion
> >> loose notes I make on every possible topic.

I sounds like you're thinking of an extended or extendable wiki like Twiki
with some project management stuff. There are a lot of packages in this area,
I put a list together for myself at:

http://www.memeshadow.net/twiki/bin/view/Main/Wiki

Rob 

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 12:15:08 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:15:08 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040721064059.GA1168-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
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William Park wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Phillip Mills wrote:
> 
>>- What I'm imagining isn't too different structurally from a file 
>>system with symbolic links...except for the attribute part.  (Other 
>>than MS's Structured Storage, what schemes are there for embedding a 
>>file system inside a file?)
> 
> 
> MIME email has hierarchy.  I would imagine HTML-variation has one too.
> 
> 
>>My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
>>documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion 
>>loose notes I make on every possible topic.
> 
> 
> I use coiled notebook for this.  
> 

I used to use Lotus Notes when I was at IBM.  Once you get used to it, 
it's a great app for that sort of thing.  You can even attach files, 
URLs, database links etc.

I have the Lotus Notes CD that I got for buying a ThinkPad.  Perhaps I 
should install it again, with Wine.


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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 12:52:15 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:52:15 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <40FE5E4C.8030101-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net> <40FE5E4C.8030101@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20040721125215.GT28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 08:15:08AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> I have the Lotus Notes CD that I got for buying a ThinkPad.  Perhaps I 
> should install it again, with Wine.

Depends what version is on the CD.

Notes 5.1x seemed to work fine, as does 6.5.  6.0 does NOT, to my knowledge,
work in WINE at all.

http://vowe.net/archives/004104.html

Good luck!  :D

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 13:07:15 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:07:15 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040721125215.GT28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net> <40FE5E4C.8030101@rogers.com> <20040721125215.GT28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <40FE6A83.2030202@rogers.com>

Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 08:15:08AM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> 
>>I have the Lotus Notes CD that I got for buying a ThinkPad.  Perhaps I 
>>should install it again, with Wine.
> 
> 
> Depends what version is on the CD.
> 
> Notes 5.1x seemed to work fine, as does 6.5.  6.0 does NOT, to my knowledge,
> work in WINE at all.
> 
> http://vowe.net/archives/004104.html
> 
> Good luck!  :D
> 

I've got v5.07 and had previously installed it under Linux.

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 12:26:17 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:26:17 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040720181609.54eb6ae3-BUIa8PMFEck@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <20040720181609.54eb6ae3@pino>
Message-ID: <40FE60E9.9030305@sympatico.ca>

I use a wiki for this, and have got my UseMod wiki install times down 
under two minutes.

  Stewart

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From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 14:27:45 2004
From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:27:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Video camera usb connection problem
In-Reply-To: <20040721064059.GA1168-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <20040721142745.4248.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com>


All,

Could anybody tell me how to copy a video form the tape of video camera to computer from USB port? My video camera support USB port connection.

I use the following command for my digital camera, It works fine. but doesn't work for my video camera.

$ modprobe usb-storage

$ mount -a /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera.

 

Thanks

louie

 




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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 15:23:37 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:23:37 -0400
Subject: Video camera usb connection problem
In-Reply-To: <20040721142745.4248.qmail-T+KdO0UH6sWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040721142745.4248.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1090423417.5260.30.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 10:27, hui xu wrote:
>         All,
>         
>         Could anybody tell me how to copy a video form the tape of
>         video camera to computer from USB port? My video camera
>         support USB port connection.
>         
>         I use the following command for my digital camera, It works
>         fine. but doesn't work for my video camera.
>         
>         $ modprobe usb-storage
>         
>         $ mount -a /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera.

Not all cameras use the USB mass-storage driver, especially video
cameras.  What video camera are you trying to use?

Kareem

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 16:50:23 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:50:23 -0400
Subject: Attempt to free unreferenced scalar:
Message-ID: <1090428622.21131.6.camel@192.168.1.80>

Hello,

We are converting our server over to freeBSD and in the process have
upgraded some programs (Perl,mod_perl).  We are now using Perl 5.8.2,
whereas before we were using 5.6.0.
Some intermittent bugs are happening in our web application and this
keeps cropping up in the Apache error log:
Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: SV 0x8cbb26c at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/mach/Apache/Registry.pm line 149.

I don't know if they are related but has anyone come across this?

Thanks.

Later

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 17:07:33 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:07:33 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <200407201809.23119.dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <200407201809.23119.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca>
Message-ID: <1090429653.21131.24.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 18:09, Duncan MacGregor wrote:
> You should try to re-use a CDRW disk that you wrote on this drive before.
> 
> If you cannot use an old CDRW now, it mey well be a hardware failure of the 
> drive. Then you need a new drive.
> 
> I have had a drive in which at first CDRWs fail, and then only certain colour 
> CDRs would work. (It didn't like green. I was told this was nonsense.)
> 
> Throughout all this, HP assured me that the problem was Adaptex/Roxio 
> software. I went   through many, many software upgrades, to no avail. When 
> the drive finally failed utterly, it was  just out of warranty. HP then told 
> me that the laser had failed gradually, "becoming weaker". 
> 
> Duncan
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 20 July 2004 12:34 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > > Thanks for your reply.  Yeah, I never thought of that :).  However, I
> > > did try a cd that it worked with before...however I think that that cd
> > > might not be in great shape.  That is why I bought the new cds.  It says
> > > on the package that they are 4x-12x.  I am pretty sure that my burner
> > > can do 2x and 4x and 6x.  If this is true that should be ok right?  This
> > > is my cd burner at home so I will have to check when I get home for
> > > sure.  Maybe I should force it to do 6x?
> >
> > Well what speed does the drive do CD-R and what speed does it do CD-RW.
> > The drive always has different speeds for the two types.
> >
> > In my experience, the CD-RW speed is either, 1-4x or 4-10x or something
> > higher.
> >
> > If the media says 4-12x, then it requries a drive that is CD-RW
> > highspeed compatible, not one that does 1-4x CD-RW.
> >
> > What model is the CD writer?
> >
> > I suspect it is probably getting harder to find media for the old CD-RW
> > drives that only do up to 4x.  Of course with the price of a modern CD
> > writer, who cares?
> >
> > Lennart Sorensen
> > --


I guess it seems like I will need to get a new cd-burner.  Here is my
error log from nero just in case someone notices anything that might
help.  I know the new cds say high-speed on them so I guess I need a new
high-speed burner.

Later


P.S.

I hope it is ok to send an attachment to the list :)...it is only small
so I figured it was ok.  If not sorry.


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Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': 
Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 17/06/2003 3:25:04 PM
Nero version: 6.0.0.28 (Nero Express)
Recorder:                 Version: 6.HU - HA 1 TA 0 - 
6.0.0.28
Adapter driver:                         HA 1
Drive buffer  :      2048kB
Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM:               Version: 6.HU - HA 1 TA 0 - 
6.0.0.28
Adapter driver:                         HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : MAXTOR 6L060J3                   atapi Port 0 ID 0  
DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral      : ATAPI CD-R/RW 6X4X32             atapi Port 1 ID 0  
DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
ATAPI CD-R/RW 6X4X32       D:   CDRom0
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing     : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 40894464 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed     : 0
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 255MB (261616kB)
Free physical memory: 75MB (77208kB)
Memory in use       : 70 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

19.7.2004
CD-ROM (MP3)
9:48:24 PM	#1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6024
	Iso document burn settings
	------------------------------------------
	Determine maximum speed : FALSE
	Simulate                : FALSE
	Write                   : TRUE
	Finalize CD             : TRUE
	Multisession            : FALSE
	Burning mode            : TAO
	Mode                    : 1
	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
	Character set           : ISO 9660
	Joliet                  : TRUE
	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : TRUE
	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE

9:48:25 PM	#2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
	Reader running

9:48:25 PM	#3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
	Writer ATAPI    CD-R/RW 6X4X32   running

9:48:25 PM	#4 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3882
	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

9:48:25 PM	#5 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3128
	Turn on Track-at-once, using CD-R/RW media

9:48:25 PM	#6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 237
	Last possible write address on media:   359848 (79:59.73)
	Last address to be written:              27629 ( 6:10.29)

9:48:25 PM	#7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 242
	Write in overburning mode: FALSE

9:48:25 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2043
	Recorder: ATAPI CD-R/RW 6X4X32;
	   CDRW code: 00 97 26 65; OSJ entry from: CMC Magnetics Corporation
	   ATIP Data: ?

9:48:25 PM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 403
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================

9:48:25 PM	#10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 775
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 27630 (27630) = #27630/6:8.30
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no 
patch infos
	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 27628 
blocks [ATAPI    CD-R/RW 6X4X32  ]
	--------------------------------------------------------------

9:48:25 PM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 944
	Prepare recorder [ATAPI    CD-R/RW 6X4X32  ] for write in TAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 1:
	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0        307200      
56893440, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
	    -150 |  lead-in |   0 |   0x00 |  0x41
	    -150 |        1 |   0 |   0x00 |  0x41
	       0 |        1 |   1 |   0x00 |  0x41
	   27630 | lead-out |   1 |   0x00 |  0x41

9:48:25 PM	#12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 971
	Removed 2 run-out blocks from end of track 1.

9:48:25 PM	#13 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
	Caching of files started

9:48:25 PM	#14 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4095
	Cache writing successful.

9:48:25 PM	#15 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
	Caching of files completed

9:48:25 PM	#16 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
	Burn process started at 2x (300 KB/s)

9:48:30 PM	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2167
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, 
orig at #0): write at #0

9:48:39 PM	#18 SCSI -1106 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1430
	SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x044B0000
	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
	Sense Key:  0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
	Sense Code: 0x73
	Sense Qual: 0x03
	CDB Data:   0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
	Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x73 0x03

9:48:39 PM	#19 CDR -1106 File Writer.cpp, Line 301
	Power calibration error

9:48:39 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
	all writers idle, stopping conversion

9:48:40 PM	#21 CDR -201 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 193
	Invalid write state
	ATAPI CD-R/RW 6X4X32\H1 T0

9:48:40 PM	#22 TRANSFER -18 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 193
	Could not perform EndTrack

9:48:40 PM	#23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 14220
	 start Close Session

9:48:40 PM	#24 SCSI -1023 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1170
	SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0
	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
	Sense Key:  0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
	Sense Code: 0x2C
	Sense Qual: 0x00
	CDB Data:   0x5B 0x01 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
	Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x2C 0x00

9:48:40 PM	#25 CDR -1023 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 232
	Command sequence error

9:48:40 PM	#26 TRANSFER -19 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 232
	Could not perform Fixation

9:48:40 PM	#27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 241
	falling back to disc fixation

9:48:40 PM	#28 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1658
	Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

9:48:40 PM	#29 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1800
	Burn process failed at 2x (300 KB/s)


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=5.3.2.34, size=23420 bytes, created 
05/02/2003 11:18:34 PM
File 'WNASPINT.DLL': Ver=V1.18, size=57344 bytes, created 26/01/2004 1:00:00 
AM
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148), size=86656 
bytes, created 23/08/2001 9:00:00 AM (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 
0 (Security Option)



From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 17:26:29 2004
From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:26:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Video camera usb connection problem
In-Reply-To: <1090423417.5260.30.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090423417.5260.30.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040721172629.23215.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com>

All,
 
Thanks for your reply, I am using Japanese Victor (GR-DV900K). 
thanks
louie
Kareem Shehata  wrote:
On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 10:27, hui xu wrote:
> All,
> 
> Could anybody tell me how to copy a video form the tape of
> video camera to computer from USB port? My video camera
> support USB port connection.
> 
> I use the following command for my digital camera, It works
> fine. but doesn't work for my video camera.
> 
> $ modprobe usb-storage
> 
> $ mount -a /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera.

Not all cameras use the USB mass-storage driver, especially video
cameras. What video camera are you trying to use?

Kareem

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 17:46:34 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:46:34 -0400
Subject: Video camera usb connection problem
In-Reply-To: <20040721142745.4248.qmail-T+KdO0UH6sWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040721064059.GA1168@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040721142745.4248.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040721174634.GE21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:27:45AM -0400, hui xu wrote:
> Could anybody tell me how to copy a video form the tape of video camera to computer from USB port? My video camera support USB port connection.
> 
> I use the following command for my digital camera, It works fine. but doesn't work for my video camera.
> 
> $ modprobe usb-storage

I have only done firewire for video camares, which works just fine in
general since there are standards for video over firewire.  What info
does usb see about the device when you connect it?  (vendor id, device
id, device class, etc).  Unless it is USB 2 I would think USB was too
slow for decent video transfer.

Lennart Sorensen
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 17:51:58 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:51:58 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090429653.21131.24.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200407201809.23119.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> <1090429653.21131.24.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 01:07:33PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
[snip]
> blocks [ATAPI    CD-R/RW 6X4X32  ]
[snip]

Notice how it is a 6x4x32 drive?  That means 6x CD-R, 4x CD-RW (the
highest old CD-RW went before high speed) and 32x read.  It won't touch
a CD-RW high speed media.  Generally models are sepcified as
CD-R write X CD-RW write X CD read speeds.  Current top CD-RW drives are
like 52x32x52 or something similar to that.  The new DVD writers of
course end up with even more numbers for all the different media types.

Your drive is probably working perfectly, you just have the wrong media
type for it.  Not bad for such an old drive.

Lennart Sorensen
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 18:06:50 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:06:50 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <20040721175158.GF21656-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <200407201809.23119.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca>
	 <1090429653.21131.24.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 13:51, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 01:07:33PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> [snip]
> > blocks [ATAPI    CD-R/RW 6X4X32  ]
> [snip]
> 
> Notice how it is a 6x4x32 drive?  That means 6x CD-R, 4x CD-RW (the
> highest old CD-RW went before high speed) and 32x read.  It won't touch
> a CD-RW high speed media.  Generally models are sepcified as
> CD-R write X CD-RW write X CD read speeds.  Current top CD-RW drives are
> like 52x32x52 or something similar to that.  The new DVD writers of
> course end up with even more numbers for all the different media types.
> 
> Your drive is probably working perfectly, you just have the wrong media
> type for it.  Not bad for such an old drive.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen

Thanks for the reply.  The funny thing is, I was just looking at that
line :)..but I thought the 6 and 4 where write speeds to any CD media
and the 32 was read.  Thanks for the clarification.  I was messing
around in my computer the other day before all this started and was
worried that I hooked something up wrong.  I was going to start taking
things apart....thank god for this mailing list!!

Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
new cd-burner :).

Later


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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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Home-(416) 653-3982
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 18:18:59 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:18:59 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090433209.21131.55.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
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Devin Whalen wrote:
> Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> new cd-burner :).


One day, many years ago, my wife dropped by my office and I showed her 
the Adventure game on a VAX 11/780.  She loved the game and asked if we 
could run it on my home computer (an IMSAI 8080).  I said no, but if we 
had a modem, she could dial into the VAX and ...

I was soon the proud owner of a 300 b/s manual modem.  ;-)
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 18:21:08 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:21:08 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090433209.21131.55.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 21, 2004 02:06 pm, Devin Whalen wrote:

> Thanks for the help. ?Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> new cd-burner :).

Nah, you need a DVD burner ... I just picked up a Pioneer DVD?RW for $117, 
works like a charm :-)

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 02:04:45 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:04:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Video camera usb connection problem
In-Reply-To: <20040721172629.23215.qmail-nL7KR/xab7CA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org>
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louie, your camera cannot transfer movies over usb, only still images from 
the sd/mmc card. you need a firewire connection (ieee1394) to transfer 
movies.

Peter

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:03:52 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:03:52 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090433209.21131.55.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <1090339995.2426.26.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040720163448.GD21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200407201809.23119.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> <1090429653.21131.24.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040721190352.GG21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 02:06:50PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.  The funny thing is, I was just looking at that
> line :)..but I thought the 6 and 4 where write speeds to any CD media
> and the 32 was read.  Thanks for the clarification.  I was messing
> around in my computer the other day before all this started and was
> worried that I hooked something up wrong.  I was going to start taking
> things apart....thank god for this mailing list!!
> 
> Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> new cd-burner :).

Well personally my favourite drives at the moment are:

PlexWriter Premium (what I use at home)
Plextor PX712A (or SA if you can get it and have SATA connectors) for
all types of DVD media.  We use a PX708A at the office and it's just
lovely.  I even upgraded firmware under linux (which I don't think any
other brand can do).

Lennart Sorensen
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:11:34 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:11:34 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <200407211421.09323.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <1090437093.21131.78.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 14:21, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> On July 21, 2004 02:06 pm, Devin Whalen wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> > new cd-burner :).
> 
> Nah, you need a DVD burner ... I just picked up a Pioneer DVD?RW for $117, 
> works like a charm :-)

Yeah, I guess if I am going to buy something I might as well buy a DVD
burner...and 117 doesn't sound bad.  It seems like it was only a few
months ago that they were almost $300!!

Later

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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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Suite 309 M6K 3C5
Home-(416) 653-3982
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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:19:23 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:19:23 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090437093.21131.78.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80> <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1090437093.21131.78.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040721191923.GX28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:11:34PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 14:21, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > On July 21, 2004 02:06 pm, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> > > new cd-burner :).
> > 
> > Nah, you need a DVD burner ... I just picked up a Pioneer DVD??RW for $117, 
> > works like a charm :-)
> 
> Yeah, I guess if I am going to buy something I might as well buy a DVD
> burner...and 117 doesn't sound bad.  It seems like it was only a few
> months ago that they were almost $300!!

Dude, it was only a few years ago that CD burners were $300!

3 years ago I bought a 24x Yamaha CD burner for $160.

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:23:37 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:23:37 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <20040721191923.GX28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
	 <1090437093.21131.78.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <20040721191923.GX28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1090437817.21131.80.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 15:19, Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:11:34PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 14:21, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > > On July 21, 2004 02:06 pm, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
> > > > new cd-burner :).
> > > 
> > > Nah, you need a DVD burner ... I just picked up a Pioneer DVD??RW for $117, 
> > > works like a charm :-)
> > 
> > Yeah, I guess if I am going to buy something I might as well buy a DVD
> > burner...and 117 doesn't sound bad.  It seems like it was only a few
> > months ago that they were almost $300!!
> 
> Dude, it was only a few years ago that CD burners were $300!
> 
> 3 years ago I bought a 24x Yamaha CD burner for $160.

No, I am talking about DVD burners :)

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Fax- (416) 539-8280
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Toronto, Ontario
Suite 309 M6K 3C5
Home-(416) 653-3982
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:30:02 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:30:02 -0400
Subject: DVD stuff (was Re:CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore)
In-Reply-To: <20040721190352.GG21656-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040721190352.GG21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <200407211530.02289.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 21, 2004 03:03 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> PlexWriter Premium (what I use at home)
> Plextor PX712A (or SA if you can get it and have SATA connectors) for
> all types of DVD media. ?We use a PX708A at the office and it's just
> lovely. ?I even upgraded firmware under linux (which I don't think any
> other brand can do).

Yeah, I was pinching pennies hoping one day the Plextor would come down in 
price but I saw Greytech's ad for the Pioneer, got Pioneer and Plextor 
confused and by the time I realized the difference couldn't talk myself out 
of it.  Last I saw the Px708A was around $250.

Do you burn a lot of DVDs?  Any media recommendations?  I'm only using it for 
backup purposes right now.  I done all of my testing with Memorex DVD+RWs and 
haven't come across any issues, I also have a bunch of DVD+Rs but I don't 
recall the brand right now.

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:37:19 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:37:19 -0400
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090437817.21131.80.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>	 <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>	 <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>	 <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>	 <1090437093.21131.78.camel@192.168.1.80>	 <20040721191923.GX28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1090437817.21131.80.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <40FEC5EF.7030100@295.ca>

Devin Whalen wrote:

>On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 15:19, Taavi Burns wrote:
>  
>
>>On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:11:34PM -0400, Devin Whalen wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 14:21, Fraser Campbell wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>On July 21, 2004 02:06 pm, Devin Whalen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the help.  Now I just have to convince my wife that we need a
>>>>>new cd-burner :).
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Nah, you need a DVD burner ... I just picked up a Pioneer DVD??RW for $117, 
>>>>works like a charm :-)
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Yeah, I guess if I am going to buy something I might as well buy a DVD
>>>burner...and 117 doesn't sound bad.  It seems like it was only a few
>>>months ago that they were almost $300!!
>>>      
>>>
>>Dude, it was only a few years ago that CD burners were $300!
>>
>>3 years ago I bought a 24x Yamaha CD burner for $160.
>>    
>>
>
>No, I am talking about DVD burners :)
>
>  
>

I'm not sure about this model, but the price is great:

http://www.icct.ca/OnlineShop/Default.asp

The BenQ for $69.90... :-)

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 02:39:15 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:39:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore
In-Reply-To: <1090437093.21131.78.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80>  <20040721175158.GF21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
  <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80>  <200407211421.09323.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
 <1090437093.21131.78.camel@192.168.1.80>
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Devin Whalen wrote:

> Yeah, I guess if I am going to buy something I might as well buy a DVD
> burner...and 117 doesn't sound bad.  It seems like it was only a few
> months ago that they were almost $300!!

The reason is probably that the 8.5G burners are coming out about now.

Peter
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 19:44:39 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:44:39 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
Message-ID: <20040721194439.GA1046@node1.opengeometry.net>

Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 03:02:55 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: <20040721194439.GA1046-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.

Look for 'boot from removable drive'. If your BIOS is from 2001 or later 
it should be able to. In theory it should work but it would be slow even 
with USB 2.0 imho. Most current boards can boot and run with just ram and 
a usb disk-on-key formatted with something bootable.

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:16:19 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:16:19 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040721194439.GA1046@node1.opengeometry.net> 
Message-ID: <20040721201619.GY28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 11:02:55PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> 
> >Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> >and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> >my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.

Do you mean booting off of a USB memory key or more like an external USB2.0 IDE
enclosure?  If the latter, you might also look at firewire (though I don't know
how the BIOS support for that might be...) because it's faster in the end.

(480Mbps for USB2.0 is actually slower than 400Mbps for the old firewire, because
fw chipsets do a heck of a lot more work, offloading cycles from the CPU and
reducing latency)

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10118

Note the _actual_ transferrates, not the "interface" numbers.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:23:47 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:23:47 -0400
Subject: DVD stuff (was Re:CD burner not working with cd-rw anymore)
In-Reply-To: <200407211530.02289.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090334896.2426.9.camel@192.168.1.80> <1090433209.21131.55.camel@192.168.1.80> <20040721190352.GG21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200407211530.02289.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <20040721202347.GH21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:30:02PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> Yeah, I was pinching pennies hoping one day the Plextor would come down in 
> price but I saw Greytech's ad for the Pioneer, got Pioneer and Plextor 
> confused and by the time I realized the difference couldn't talk myself out 
> of it.  Last I saw the Px708A was around $250.
> 
> Do you burn a lot of DVDs?  Any media recommendations?  I'm only using it for 
> backup purposes right now.  I done all of my testing with Memorex DVD+RWs and 
> haven't come across any issues, I also have a bunch of DVD+Rs but I don't 
> recall the brand right now.

We use it for backup.  Daily on DVD+RW, and weekly a full copy on DVD-R.

I can't currently remember the DVD-R brand, since the packaging doesn't
say.  They are only 4x though (8x was a bit pricey when I got the pack
of 25). I think it is some 5 letter name starting with R. :)  The DVD+RW
are Sony 4x.  No problems at all on the plextor with either media,
although these 4x DVD-R are apparently not one of the types it knows it
can safely do 8x on, so it doesn't.  Some types it will run faster than
the disk spec since it has been tested by plextor to work.  I don't
think any other drive does that.

The ability to upgrade firmware under linux (without even a reboot) is
certainly nice given it's in a Linux only server.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:25:11 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:25:11 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: <20040721194439.GA1046-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040721194439.GA1046@node1.opengeometry.net>
Message-ID: <20040721202511.GI21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:44:39PM -0400, William Park wrote:
> Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.

Many newer boards do have that feature, although many OSs would be upset
if you were to unplug their main filesystem, making USB a bit more
"hazardous" to the system.  I guess with the number of USB ports around
on modern machines, it's no big deal, and you would of course want a
USB2 sustem for it, since 1.x is just way too slow.

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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:35:12 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:35:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:

> Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.

I'd go Firewire-2 to take advantage of its 800Mb/s.  The problem with
either USB or Firewire is that the bus is a broadcast bus.  So the 800Mb/s
must be shared between all devices.  I think Firewire/USB are great if you
need a lot of storage[1] but don't necessarily need really fast access
times.

For low end/home systems I think using Firewire-2 would probably provide
acceptable performance and allow for a lot of scalability.

An alternative is to put the system disk(s) on ATA133 channels and have
all other data accessible via firewire.

[1] The drives can be daisy-chained but there is a limits to the length of
any one chain.

Rob

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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:47:34 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:47:34 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040721194439.GA1046@node1.opengeometry.net> 
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 04:35:12PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote:
> For low end/home systems I think using Firewire-2 would probably provide
> acceptable performance and allow for a lot of scalability.

Firewire supplies most of the speed and multiple-device scalability of
SCSI from just a few years ago.  Sure new SCSI will kick its ass,
but Firewire-2 with two drives will seriously kick the ass of two
HDs on ATA133 afaik. (most definitely ATA100)

> An alternative is to put the system disk(s) on ATA133 channels and have
> all other data accessible via firewire.

Don't think you really need this, assuming your BIOS and OS are happy booting
off of the media.  You can of course even mount the HD inside the case and
use firewire (but that's generally what SATA is for these days).

> [1] The drives can be daisy-chained but there is a limits to the length of
> any one chain.

63 devices per bus.  I wouldn't be that worried.  ;)  Also realise that for
large files you're going to hit the transferrate limit of your HD for large
files, which is generally lower than the bus speed.  A 15krpm SCSI drive
can sustain 50MB/s.  Your average 7200rpm ATA disk cannot.  Bursting is
a different matter, though...for that you may well be better off with
SATA or ATA133 for your OS and application drive.

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:49:38 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:49:38 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040721194439.GA1046@node1.opengeometry.net> 
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 11:02:55PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, William Park wrote:
> 
> >Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> >and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> >my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.
> 
> Look for 'boot from removable drive'.

I remember seeing that on my motherboard.  So, okey for BIOS.

> If your BIOS is from 2001 or later 
> it should be able to. In theory it should work but it would be slow even 
> with USB 2.0 imho. Most current boards can boot and run with just ram and 
> a usb disk-on-key formatted with something bootable.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 03:57:06 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:57:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
In-Reply-To: <20040721201619.GY28594-9xiANKxwco42bRTacqR3/JR8nzhMnQZF/mqnPsBvoffFpvyHdVPjngC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Taavi Burns wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 11:02:55PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
>>> and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
>>> my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.
>
> Do you mean booting off of a USB memory key or more like an external 
> USB2.0 IDE enclosure?  If the latter, you might also look at firewire 
> (though I don't know how the BIOS support for that might be...) because 
> it's faster in the end.

It does not matter. USB 2.0 device 'wake up' as USB 1.0 or 1.1 and are 
switched to higher speed by the drivers. Iow, if it's USB storage class 
and formatted bootable then it will boot.

> (480Mbps for USB2.0 is actually slower than 400Mbps for the old 
> firewire, because fw chipsets do a heck of a lot more work, offloading 
> cycles from the CPU and reducing latency)

USB is not the fastest of protocols in general. Fyi I moved a cable modem 
from USB to ether connection (same modem, same provider) and gained 30% in 
speed (measured over several days etc).

Apropos speed, I have been trying to find a hdparm -tT comparison 
database. But there is none ?! Does anyone know of one ?

tia,
Peter
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 20:57:35 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:57:35 -0400
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 04:16:19PM -0400, Taavi Burns wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 11:02:55PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> > 
> > >Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
> > >and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
> > >my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.
> 
> Do you mean booting off of a USB memory key or more like an external
> USB2.0 IDE enclosure?  If the latter, you might also look at firewire
> (though I don't know how the BIOS support for that might be...)
> because it's faster in the end.

Not necessarily separate enclosure.  More like big computer case with 20
to 40 harddisks. :-)  

Storage "cluster" made sense before.  But, with 300GB harddisk retailing
for $300 (and 500GB around the corner), "mainframe" model is making
sense again.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 04:00:35 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:00:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: using only USB harddisks ?
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 03:44:39PM -0400, William Park wrote:
>> Anyone using USB harddisk?  I'm interested whether one could skip IDE
>> and go USB for all harddisks.  I don't see any way to boot from USB on
>> my BIOS... perhaps, newer motherboard has that option.
>
> Many newer boards do have that feature, although many OSs would be upset
> if you were to unplug their main filesystem, making USB a bit more
> "hazardous" to the system.  I guess with the number of USB ports around
> on modern machines, it's no big deal, and you would of course want a
> USB2 sustem for it, since 1.x is just way too slow.

There is no real hazard since linux boots ro by default and then tries to 
remount rw. knoppix etc use this as you know. So there is no problem to 
boot from a write protected disk-on-key and run with root in ramdisk. 
Speed is ram speed (booting is reasonably fast unless you use something 
really huge, like kde). You can also use two keys one ro with the system 
and one rw for data.

I have never actually seen a firewire storeage device boot a board but I 
heard it can be done.

Peter
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From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 21:23:55 2004
From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:23:55 -0400
Subject: USB hard disks
Message-ID: <40FEDEEB.1000806@sympatico.ca>

Coincidentally, there was an article on doing this in last week's 
DeveloperWorks newsletter. I haven't tried it yet, but I am looking at 
it as a possiblle solution to a problem for me at work.

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fireboot.html?ca=dnt-528

John



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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 21:37:39 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:37:39 -0400
Subject: USB hard disks
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 05:23:55PM -0400, John McGregor wrote:
> Coincidentally, there was an article on doing this in last week's
> DeveloperWorks newsletter. I haven't tried it yet, but I am looking at
> it as a possiblle solution to a problem for me at work.
> 
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fireboot.html?ca=dnt-528

Nice links... thanks John.

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 00:16:02 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:16:02 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
Message-ID: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca>

rsync !
Just what I need to keep my USB-key files in sync with the laptop and 
the desktop.
But what's this ? A fly in my ointment ! A big hairy one !
It's name is "permissions"; I have no idea how to reconcile files for 
users of multiple systems.
It seems not to be enough that "dave" is the log-in name on all 
machines, or that he is a member of the "office" group. I know this must 
be absurdly simple, and long dealt with, un unix days of old. but, once 
again, I could use a clue.
thank you,
djp
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From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 21 23:50:00 2004
From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:50:00 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
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On July 21, 2004 08:16 pm, David J Patrick wrote:
> rsync !
> Just what I need to keep my USB-key files in sync with the laptop and
> the desktop.
> But what's this ? A fly in my ointment ! A big hairy one !
> It's name is "permissions"; I have no idea how to reconcile files for
> users of multiple systems.
> It seems not to be enough that "dave" is the log-in name on all
> machines, or that he is a member of the "office" group. I know this must
> be absurdly simple, and long dealt with, un unix days of old. but, once
> again, I could use a clue.
> thank you,
> djp

you're right, the problem is very old, and not as easily solved without 
complication.  see, the problem you're (probably) having is that user "dave" 
is UID 1000 on one box, and say, UID 1002 on another.  redhat machines start 
their new users at UID 500, so that can lead to issues accross linuxes.

linux doesn't care what name you give yourself.  it only cares what number you 
are, so that's why these UID's are so important.  if you want to know what 
your UID is, just do this:

  dave at localhost $ echo $UID

and you'll get some number.  now, if you want files saved with "dave" as the 
user to be owned by "dave" on another box, you have to change the UIDs on the 
appropriate machines.  that value is in /etc/passwd and is relatively easy to 
switch over as long as it's not a multi-user system where someone else 
already has your id...  then things get ugly.

in the case of this ugliness, you might have to look at NIS (look it up on the 
linux documentation project) or, probably easier, a simple script that 
updates all the file ownerships upon transfer.  something like this:


  find  -uid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 --replace chown dave:users {}

i think that'd work, but i haven't tried it.  rtfm and good luck ;-)

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 02:00:58 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:00:58 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <200407211950.00814.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org>
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daniel wrote:

>you're right, the problem is very old, and not as easily solved without 
>complication.  see, the problem you're (probably) having is that user "dave" 
>is UID 1000 on one box, and say, UID 1002 on another.
>
So, when creating users, on a new machine, if I keep the UIDs 
consistant, things should flow?
Must the names be the same ? Is the same true for GIDs ?
And the passwords need not match, right ?

>  redhat machines start 
>their new users at UID 500, so that can lead to issues accross linuxes.
>  
>
Mandrake, too. (I've slunk back to Mdk10 after a year of debian)

> a simple script that 
>updates all the file ownerships upon transfer.  something like this:
>
>
>  find  -uid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 --replace chown dave:users {}
>  
>
thanks for the handy script. I'll study it and maybe give it a whirl !

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From Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 00:44:47 2004
From: Scott.Elcomb-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:44:47 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
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[...]
> linux doesn't care what name you give yourself.  it only cares what number you 
> are, so that's why these UID's are so important.  if you want to know what 
> your UID is, just do this:
[...]
> in the case of this ugliness, you might have to look at NIS (look it up on the 
> linux documentation project) or, probably easier, a simple script that 
> updates all the file ownerships upon transfer.  something like this:
[...]

Maybe keep (and rsync for backup :-) a flatfile table of host:uid pairs
on the key?

I   would  say that I don't see it and a perl script being terribly
difficult to setup...  but saying things like that seems to get
Murphey's attention.

- Scott.

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 05:28:22 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 01:28:22 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
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Scott Elcomb wrote:

>
>Maybe keep (and rsync for backup :-) a flatfile table of host:uid pairs
>on the key?
>  
>
yeah, good idea !

>I   would  say that I don't see it and a perl script being terribly
>difficult to setup...
>
The perl is too deep for me yet, I still struggle with simple bash stuff.

>  but saying things like that seems to get
>Murphey's attention.
>  
>
It's like he's moved in next door, man !
 djp
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 12:32:35 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 22 Jul 2004 08:32:35 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
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daniel  writes:

> On July 21, 2004 08:16 pm, David J Patrick wrote:
> > rsync !
> > Just what I need to keep my USB-key files in sync with the laptop and
> > the desktop.
> > But what's this ? A fly in my ointment ! A big hairy one !
> > It's name is "permissions"; I have no idea how to reconcile files for
> > users of multiple systems.
> > It seems not to be enough that "dave" is the log-in name on all
> > machines, or that he is a member of the "office" group. I know this must
> > be absurdly simple, and long dealt with, un unix days of old. but, once
> > again, I could use a clue.
> > thank you,
> > djp
> 
> you're right, the problem is very old, and not as easily solved without 
> complication.  see, the problem you're (probably) having is that user "dave" 
> is UID 1000 on one box, and say, UID 1002 on another.  redhat machines start 
> their new users at UID 500, so that can lead to issues accross linuxes.

While you're right that the general problem of maintaining consistent UIDs
and GIDs across multiple Linux/*NIX systems is a difficult one, I think
there's a simple solution for this specific application.

Every USB key I've seen comes preformatted with a vfat (or dos) file system
While you can put any file system you want on them, most people leave them
vfat to facilitate transferring files to/from Windows systems.  Since vfat
has no notion of users and permissions, you cannot record users and
permissions on a vfat formatted USB key.  This might seem like a problem but
if you're using the USB key to store only your own files, i.e. you're using
rsync to manage a subtree (or set of subtrees) of your home directory, you
don't need user and group information as you know these files are yours.
Similarly with permissions as the vast majority of files within a user's home
directory all have the same permission, i.e. the defaults based on your
umask.

If you have an entry for your USB key in your /etc/fstab, like this:

    /dev/sda1   /usb    vfat    noauto,user     0 0

you can copy your files to your USB key like this:

    % mount /usb
    % cd
    % rsync dir1 dir2 ... /usb

If you have a similar entry in /etc/fstab on the target system, you can then
update dir1 and dir2 like this:

    % mount /usb
    % cd
    % rsync /usb/ .

As long as you use the "user" option (or alternatively the "owner" option) in
/etc/fstab, there's no need for you to become root.

You may have a few files where ownership or (more likely) permissions are
important, ~/.ssh comes to mind.  For those files, use tar instead.  In other
words, you can copy files to your USB key, maintaining a complete record of
ownership and permissions, using:

    % mount /usb
    % cd
    % tar cfz /usb/archive.tgz .ssh special_dir other_special_dir ....

And you can extract this on the target system, like this:

    % mount /usb
    % cd
    % tar xfz /usb/archive.tgz

Since you're running as yourself on both system, this will "just work"
regardless of your actual login name, uid, and gid on the respective systems.

> linux doesn't care what name you give yourself.  it only cares what number you 
> are, so that's why these UID's are so important.  if you want to know what 
> your UID is, just do this:
> 
>   dave at localhost $ echo $UID

A more portable way to get this is:

    % id

> and you'll get some number.  now, if you want files saved with "dave" as the 
> user to be owned by "dave" on another box, you have to change the UIDs on the 
> appropriate machines.  that value is in /etc/passwd and is relatively easy to 
> switch over as long as it's not a multi-user system where someone else 
> already has your id...  then things get ugly.
> 
> in the case of this ugliness, you might have to look at NIS (look it up on the 
> linux documentation project) or, probably easier, a simple script that 
> updates all the file ownerships upon transfer.  something like this:
> 
> 
>   find  -uid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 --replace chown dave:users {}

Careful! That will change your group to "users" which might not be what you
want.  You can belong to multiple groups so, while all of your files are (by
definition) owned by your uid, they may not all have the same gid.  A general
solution must examine the gid of each file and map it to the corresponding
gid on the target system.  Too much work for this paricular application.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 12:38:26 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 22 Jul 2004 08:38:26 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <40FF1FDA.3040208-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca>
	<200407211950.00814.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca>
	<40FF1FDA.3040208@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: 

David J Patrick  writes:

> daniel wrote:
> 
> > you're right, the problem is very old, and not as easily solved without
> > complication.  see, the problem you're (probably) having is that user
> > "dave" is UID 1000 on one box, and say, UID 1002 on another.
> 
> >
> So, when creating users, on a new machine, if I keep the UIDs consistant,
> things should flow?

Yes.

> Must the names be the same?

No. Names are purely a convenience, the kernel doesn't care about names.


> Is the same true for GIDs ?

If you simply want to mount the USB stick as your home like this:

    % su
    # mount /dev/sda1 /home/david
    # exit
    %

the gids must match.  If you rsync in the manner I suggested, uids, gids,
names, etc. are pretty much a non-issue.

> And the passwords need not match, right ?

Right.

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From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 12:55:00 2004
From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:55:00 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <40FF0742.5040302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca>
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David J Patrick wrote:
> rsync !
> Just what I need to keep my USB-key files in sync with the laptop and 
> the desktop.
> But what's this ? A fly in my ointment ! A big hairy one !
> It's name is "permissions"; I have no idea how to reconcile files for 
> users of multiple systems.
> It seems not to be enough that "dave" is the log-in name on all 
> machines, or that he is a member of the "office" group. I know this must 
> be absurdly simple, and long dealt with, un unix days of old. but, once 
> again, I could use a clue.
> thank you,
> djp
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If you don't have too many systems/users and you have control over them, 
why not just normalize the UIDs/GIDs now?

For a user (GID 1000, UID 1000) modify the /etc/passwd file (e.g. 
1000:1000 to 1001:1001)
Modify the /etc/group file (e.g. 1000 to 1001)
find / -xdev -uid 1000 -print -exec chown 1001 {} \;
find / -xdev -gid 1000 -print -exec chgrp 1001 {} \;

When I used to manage multiple systems I would either copy from 
/etc/passwd or manually specify UID/GID at account creation time.

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 13:31:34 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:31:34 -0400
Subject: Attempt to free unreferenced scalar:
In-Reply-To: <1090428622.21131.6.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090428622.21131.6.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <1090503094.7516.3.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 12:50, Devin Whalen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We are converting our server over to freeBSD and in the process have
> upgraded some programs (Perl,mod_perl).  We are now using Perl 5.8.2,
> whereas before we were using 5.6.0.
> Some intermittent bugs are happening in our web application and this
> keeps cropping up in the Apache error log:
> Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: SV 0x8cbb26c at
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/mach/Apache/Registry.pm line 149.
> 
> I don't know if they are related but has anyone come across this?

This might be a problem to refer to perlmonks.org or the Toronto Perl
Mongers .  I'm new to Perl myself, so this question is
a little beyond my knowledge.

Good luck!

Kareem

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From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 14:17:20 2004
From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:17:20 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <40FFB924.5080601-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca> <40FFB924.5080601@ruggedcom.com>
Message-ID: <20040722141720.GC25300@lupus.perlwolf.com>

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 08:55:00AM -0400, Michael Galea wrote:
> If you don't have too many systems/users and you have control over them, 
> why not just normalize the UIDs/GIDs now?
> 
> For a user (GID 1000, UID 1000) modify the /etc/passwd file (e.g. 
> 1000:1000 to 1001:1001)
> Modify the /etc/group file (e.g. 1000 to 1001)
> find / -xdev -uid 1000 -print -exec chown 1001 {} \;
> find / -xdev -gid 1000 -print -exec chgrp 1001 {} \;
> 
> When I used to manage multiple systems I would either copy from 
> /etc/passwd or manually specify UID/GID at account creation time.

If you do have more than a couple of systems, you can look
into NIS or LDAP - they can be used to keep a single set
of account info used by a large number of systems, that
is important when you make changes because you don't have
to make the same change many times and run the danger of
skipping one or mistyping one.  (If you have more than one
copy of the same piece of data, the odds are exponential
that most of them are wrong.)

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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 13:49:29 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:49:29 -0400
Subject: Attempt to free unreferenced scalar:
In-Reply-To: <1090503094.7516.3.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090428622.21131.6.camel@192.168.1.80>
	 <1090503094.7516.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1090504168.7474.10.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 09:31, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 12:50, Devin Whalen wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > We are converting our server over to freeBSD and in the process have
> > upgraded some programs (Perl,mod_perl).  We are now using Perl 5.8.2,
> > whereas before we were using 5.6.0.
> > Some intermittent bugs are happening in our web application and this
> > keeps cropping up in the Apache error log:
> > Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: SV 0x8cbb26c at
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/mach/Apache/Registry.pm line 149.
> > 
> > I don't know if they are related but has anyone come across this?
> 
> This might be a problem to refer to perlmonks.org or the Toronto Perl
> Mongers .  I'm new to Perl myself, so this question is
> a little beyond my knowledge.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Kareem

Thanks for the tip....I wasn't sure who I should ask :) but the
perlmonks and the Perl Mongers sound like they would know.  I found out
that this is a known bug, so we are trying to upgrade to the latest
stable version...forget what it is now but I hope this works.

Later

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From fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 14:41:47 2004
From: fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:41:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SCO flops in DaimlerChrysler Unix lawsuit
Message-ID: <20082010.1090507307677.JavaMail.app@c10-btg-app1.cnet.com>

This ZDNN (http://www.zdnn.com/) story has been sent to you from fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org, who added this comment:

it looks like the SCO case is going down!

SCO flops in DaimlerChrysler Unix lawsuit
By Stephen Shankland

Controversial company suffers setback in legal efforts to capitalize on Unix.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5278572.html?tag=sas.email

Read all technology news from this week:
http://www.news.com/thisweeksheadlines/

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 16:43:36 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:43:36 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <40FFB924.5080601-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca> <40FFB924.5080601@ruggedcom.com>
Message-ID: <40FFEEB8.6080903@sympatico.ca>

Michael Galea wrote:

>
> If you don't have too many systems/users and you have control over 
> them, why not just normalize the UIDs/GIDs now?
>
> For a user (GID 1000, UID 1000) modify the /etc/passwd file (e.g. 
> 1000:1000 to 1001:1001)
> Modify the /etc/group file (e.g. 1000 to 1001)

check !

> find / -xdev -uid 1000 -print -exec chown 1001 {} \;
> find / -xdev -gid 1000 -print -exec chgrp 1001 {} \;

makes sense of after a bit of RTFM

>
> When I used to manage multiple systems I would either copy from 
> /etc/passwd

you mean .. when performing the above operation, you'd get the values 
from /etc/passwd ?

> or manually specify UID/GID at account creation time.

That's what I'll do from now on,
very helpful MG !
thanks,
djp

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From michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 16:08:39 2004
From: michaelgalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:08:39 -0400
Subject: rsyncing feeling
In-Reply-To: <40FFEEB8.6080903-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <40FF0742.5040302@sympatico.ca> <40FFB924.5080601@ruggedcom.com> <40FFEEB8.6080903@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <40FFE687.2030907@ruggedcom.com>

David J Patrick wrote:
> Michael Galea wrote:
> 
>>
>> If you don't have too many systems/users and you have control over 
>> them, why not just normalize the UIDs/GIDs now?
>>
>> For a user (GID 1000, UID 1000) modify the /etc/passwd file (e.g. 
>> 1000:1000 to 1001:1001)
>> Modify the /etc/group file (e.g. 1000 to 1001)
> 
> 
> check !
> 
>> find / -xdev -uid 1000 -print -exec chown 1001 {} \;
>> find / -xdev -gid 1000 -print -exec chgrp 1001 {} \;
> 
> 
> makes sense of after a bit of RTFM
> 
>>
>> When I used to manage multiple systems I would either copy from 
>> /etc/passwd
> 
> 
> you mean .. when performing the above operation, you'd get the values 
> from /etc/passwd ?
>
Sometimes, when bringing up an exact copy of a server, I would just copy 
the whole passwd file over.  Most often though, I would just copy 
specific entries.  Note that I never had to manage more than about six 
machines on a network of about 30-40 users.
Nowadays I am in the happier state of just managing my home network (2 
hosts, 3 users!), where I create user accounts first on my 
firewall/network share box, and then on the individual hosts.


>> or manually specify UID/GID at account creation time.
> 
> 
> That's what I'll do from now on,
> very helpful MG !
> thanks,
> djp
> 
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From fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 22 20:55:55 2004
From: fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (George Fiala)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:55:55 -0400
Subject: another interesting article
In-Reply-To: <20082010.1090507307677.JavaMail.app-8KyeFBUyq6I7b+Z1vz11M9vLeJWuRmrY@public.gmane.org>
References: <20082010.1090507307677.JavaMail.app@c10-btg-app1.cnet.com>
Message-ID: <014701c4702e$4b5625c0$0101a8c0@iqpd6>

Cryptography and the Open Source Security Debate
(Articles / Security)
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 - 01:03 AM
 
URL: http://www.osopinion.com/modules.php?op=modload
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You can read interesting articles on osViews | osOpinion
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From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 11:14:24 2004
From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:14:24 +0800
Subject: OT: Perl
Message-ID: <200407231914.24140.jerome@gmanmi.tv>

Hi,
	is it possible to create a perl script (perl script will sit on a box 
different from the DB box) which will connect to a oracle box..?

TIA

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 11:44:55 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:44:55 -0400
Subject: OT: Perl
In-Reply-To: <200407231914.24140.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <200407230744.55365.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 23, 2004 07:14 am, JM wrote:

> ????????is it possible to create a perl script (perl script will sit on a
> box different from the DB box) which will connect to a oracle box..?

yes

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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 12:44:47 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:44:47 -0400
Subject: OT: Perl
In-Reply-To: <200407231914.24140.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407231914.24140.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
Message-ID: <1090586687.6589.2.camel@zbych>

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 07:14, JM wrote:
> Hi,
> 	is it possible to create a perl script (perl script will sit on a box 
> different from the DB box) which will connect to a oracle box..?

Most likely you will need some oracle header files sitting on the box
from which you want to connect. I had that problem in case of MySQL.
This is a bit silly but thats how it worked.

zb.

> TIA


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From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 14:20:30 2004
From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice)
Date: 23 Jul 2004 10:20:30 -0400
Subject: OT: Perl
In-Reply-To: <200407231914.24140.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: 

JM  writes:
> 	is it possible to create a perl script (perl script will sit on a box 
> different from the DB box) which will connect to a oracle box..?

Yes.  Look at DBI and DBD::Oracle on CPAN.  There's other Oracle modules on
there.  These two will get you going, though.

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From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 15:57:01 2004
From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OT: Perl
In-Reply-To: <200407231914.24140.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407231914.24140.jerome@gmanmi.tv>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, JM wrote:

> Hi,
> 	is it possible to create a perl script (perl script will sit on a box
> different from the DB box) which will connect to a oracle box..?

Sure. You just specify the host that you want DBI to connect to. The DBI
man page will tell you all about it. And you'll have to configure Oracle
to allow access from that host .. for PostgreSQL that's a matter of
editting the pg_hba.conf file in /var/lib/pgsql/data, I don't know what
the analog is in the Oracle world.

Alex


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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 17:20:45 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:20:45 -0400
Subject: xml browser
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Background:

CRM (Customer Relationship Management) by MS is a quite complex and ugly 
.NET  program. But interesting for me (everything new is interesting;) 
The version I work on (1.0) does not have good documentation available. 
MS has though documentation for version 1.2 but these both are quite 
different. There are however XML files related to DLLs, and these files 
describe functionality of libraries used by the software.

Question:

Is there a sort of tool around (sure, for Linux better) which could be 
used for creating let say a collection of HTML files from these XML 
ones, to make my reading easier? I am must admit quite new to xml.

zb.
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From fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 17:25:46 2004
From: fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:25:46 -0400
Subject: Enterprise Unix Roundup — SCO Goes Back to the IP Future
Message-ID: <200407231725.i6NHPkS28033@webg1.iworld.com>

Dear TLUG,

George (fiala-WCaKCDwya6ZYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org) wants you to read
the following article with the comment "SCO is at it again.

the articel is included below, since some could not read the link the last time.".

Enterprise Unix Roundup — SCO Goes Back to the IP Future
Michael Hall
07/22/2004


This article can be found online at the following location:
http://www.serverwatch.com/eur/article.php/3384991





Main ?????? In Other News ?????? Security Roundup

?????? Tips of the Trade

We were all set to open this week's column with a colorful composite
character -- someone we were going to name "Davey McBird." We were going
to create an anecdote wherein Davey McBird rented us his lawn mower for
a few weeks, then took us to small claims court for stealing it when we
wouldn't post a daily picture of it on the Internet so he could be sure
it was all right and still in our garage. But who would believe a story
like that?

Apparently not Judge Rae Lee Chabot, who tossed SCO's suit against
DaimlerChrysler out the window on all but one count, which was the
question of why it took the automotive company more than 30 days
to report to SCO that it hadn't used SCO software for more than
seven years.

Suing customers makes potential customers nervous. Loudly suing a
customer that then loudly announces it hasn't used your software since
before the Internet Bubble is just embarrassing.

At this point in the alternate narrative we never got around to
writing, Davey McBird is standing on the steps of small claims court
with little birds and planets circling his head; he screws up his
dignity (like a Mike Royko character, who always had a sort of tragic
dignity, even at his most wrong) and wags a finger under our noses,
exclaiming, "but still!"

Which is exactly what we got from SCO spokesman Blake Stowell who,
internetnews.com reports, "said the ruling wasn't unexpected and leaves
the door open for the company's lawyers to look into why it took so long
for DaimlerChrysler to send the certification letter."

Kind of like Ahab with the whole "for hate's sake I spit my last breath
at thee" business. Or Davey McBird waggling his imaginary finger and
saying "But still!"

The long and short being: DaimlerChrysler was part of SCO's overall
strategy of getting people to take its licenses seriously and possibly
setting enterprises up for horrendous grief if they also dared to bring
Linux into their operations, and that suit is now dead.

One could hear champagne corks popping in Linux-land Wednesday
afternoon, although the case doesn't represent vindication so much as
it does a setback for SCO. As we just noted, DaimlerChrysler hasn't
used SCO software in seven years, so failing to certify its compliance
with a dust-gathering license when there was probably a mad dash
around the DaimlerChrysler offices to figure out who the heck SCO is
and where they'd left the old boxes in the first place probably didn't
seem like the most egregious intellectual property trespass the judge
had ever seen.

SCO should probably be relieved: Suing customers makes potential
customers nervous. Loudly suing a customer that then loudly announces it
hasn't used your software since before the Internet Bubble is just
embarrassing.

Melville - 1, Kafka - 0.

On the other hand, SCO this week added some detail to its case
against IBM.

According to a report, SCO's latest filings in that case include a
statement from its VP of engineering, who maintains that Linux
includes SCO's Executable and Linking Format (ELF) code. ELF is, in a
nutshell, key to the way executables (programs) and objects are
compiled in Linux and multiple other Unix variants (including Irix,
Solaris, and the BSDs).

ELF rose to dominance in the Linux world in the mid '90s as a
replacement for the a.out binary format as developers began to recognize
the need for better ways to manage shared libraries and cross-compiled
binaries. The transition wasn't particularly easy, but by 1999 the
author of the Linux Documentation Project's GCC HOWTO, a document
detailing how to use the GNU project's C compiler, said the transition
was "long past."

ELF came out of Unix System Laboratories. It started life as a company
in 1991, the same year Linus Torvalds began work on the Linux kernel. An
industry consortium introduced ELF as a standard in 1995, offering it
under a "non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license." SCO now says
that even though it was a member of that consortium, the license was
inappropriately granted.

That move, along with several other specific claims (including one that
says the Linux init program, which is responsible for booting and
powering down a Linux system, is copied from Unix, and another stating
the IBM-contributed JFS file system is a derivative work), changes SCO's
Carl-Sagan-like claims of "millyuns and millyuns" of lines of copied
code. Now, the vendor is edging closer to claiming that Linux, to the
extent it's a Unix variant, is a Unix variant, AKA a derivative work.

Having learned the value of silence after months and months of abuse and
investor threats about its bellicose public posturing, SCO is playing
its cards a little closer to its chest this round.

The flavor of issues the company is striking at is not new to open
source developers, however. In late 2001, the open source community
rallied against the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) when it considered
introducing a policy of allowing "Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory
Licensing" (RAND) into Web standards that it's responsible for
approving. Under RAND licenses, enterprises developing intellectual
property surrounding a particular Web technology could charge for
implementation of that technology in Web-related software.

The move was fine with commercial software houses, which trade patents
and IP like baseball cards. However, independent open source and free
software projects found it more troubling, as they saw RAND as a way to
lock them out of developing competitive Web browsers. SCO's current move
is an apparent attempt, at least in the case of its claims on ELF, to go
back to the past and retroactively push Linux away from the table by
closing a standard presented as open for nearly a decade.

If the move works, the Linux world might have a mess on its hands, since
switching binary and library formats isn't exactly easy. Plenty of folks
have their doubts about whether SCO really has a leg to stand on, and
they are interpreting the move as a way for the vendor to back away from
the unsubstantiatable claims of wholesale copying.

With its DaimlerChrysler case in the trash can and its Autozone case on
hold, SCO has to do something to allow its one remaining in-play case
look viable if it has any hope of jump starting its stalled and
apparently doomed licensing program.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 17:53:43 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:53:43 -0400
Subject: xml browser
In-Reply-To: <410148ED.7000704-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407231914.24140.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1090586687.6589.2.camel@zbych> <410148ED.7000704@istop.com>
Message-ID: <20040723175343.GJ21656@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:20:45PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> CRM (Customer Relationship Management) by MS is a quite complex and ugly 
> .NET  program. But interesting for me (everything new is interesting;) 
> The version I work on (1.0) does not have good documentation available. 
> MS has though documentation for version 1.2 but these both are quite 
> different. There are however XML files related to DLLs, and these files 
> describe functionality of libraries used by the software.
> 
> Question:
> 
> Is there a sort of tool around (sure, for Linux better) which could be 
> used for creating let say a collection of HTML files from these XML 
> ones, to make my reading easier? I am must admit quite new to xml.

You can't just convert XML to anything.  XML is more like a filesystem
or database than it is like HTML.  It is all tags around values, where
the meaning of the tags is defined either in some dtd or such, but the
real meaning is basically what the application that uses the xml file
thinks it is.  You would basically need to know the meaning in order to
write something that can convert it to html, assuming the data makes any
sense as html at all.

And XML browser/editor may be able to show you the hierachy of the dtd
if you have a copy of it.

Lennart Sorensen
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 21:54:17 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:54:17 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <40FD817B.3090100-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> 
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <40FD817B.3090100@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <20040723215417.B51E54885@cbbrowne.com>

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi Phillip,
> 
> It sounds like what you are looking for is a Content Management System
> (as you have suggested yourself) with perhaps the addition of a search
> engine and some custom meta-data. Here are two sites that list many
> content management systems. The opensourceCMS one allows you to try them
> out as well:
> 
> 
> 

That sounds like it _might_ be overkill, maybe...

That being said, the option we use for the "formal" side of this at work
is Zope, as a "document management" system.

I use, instead of a coiled notebook, the Emacs "records" mode:

  

It's not real big on connecting to things that aren't text, but does
allow pretty arbitrary file linkages, as well as a pretty decent
indexing system.

What I probably _ought_ to add in is the Remembrance Agent mode
, which is an Emacs plug-in that watches over
your shoulder and suggests information relevant to what you're reading
or writing.
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 23:02:28 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:02:28 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
Message-ID: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
when i get better or should i learn in linux???
thanks for helping me out

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From hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 23:13:10 2004
From: hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Hooman Baradaran)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:13:10 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090623747.3940.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200407231913.11130.hooman@yorku.ca>

Hi,
In my opinion, Linux is absolutely better. Linux and C are so close that I 
learned them in the same course (at York U.). The C compiler for Linux is gcc 
and it's great.
For me it is much easier to code C/C++ in Linux. In fact I a working on a 
project using MS Visual C++ in Windows and it bugs me so much I can't wait 
till it's over!

Hope that it helps!


On July 23, 2004 07:02 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> thanks for helping me out
>
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From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 23:41:58 2004
From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:41:58 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <200407231913.11130.hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200407231913.11130.hooman@yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <20040723234158.GE25300@lupus.perlwolf.com>

So Hooman, you are agreeing that "bloodshed" is a good
name for a Windows compiler?  :-)

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 07:13:10PM -0400, Hooman Baradaran wrote:
> Hi,
> In my opinion, Linux is absolutely better. Linux and C are so close that I 
> learned them in the same course (at York U.). The C compiler for Linux is gcc 
> and it's great.
> For me it is much easier to code C/C++ in Linux. In fact I a working on a 
> project using MS Visual C++ in Windows and it bugs me so much I can't wait 
> till it's over!
> 
> Hope that it helps!
> 
> 
> On July 23, 2004 07:02 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> > the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> > when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > thanks for helping me out
> >
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 23:23:38 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:23:38 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090623747.3940.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <41019DFA.60006@truxtar.com>

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Aaron,

You probably want to use the "gcc" compiler under Linux, since it seems
to be the most popular one. I'll even bet that your Linux system already
has it installed!

"Dev C++" is actually an IDE, not a compiler. In fact, it uses the
Windows version of the "gcc" compiler to do its dirty work. An IDE
(Integrated Development Environment) includes an editor, compiler,
debugger, etc. You can use a separate editor (i.e. vi, emacs, kwrite) to
do the coding, gcc to compile, gdb to debug, etc.

However, if you ARE looking for an IDE on Linux (which does make life
easier in the beginning), a good IDE I would recommend is KDevelop from
the KDE project. However, it's always good to learn the underlying tools
such as gcc, gdb, etc. And an IDE can be distracting at times. So choose
for yourself.

As for the differences between the OSs...
C is a standard, so the basic language (and the standard libraries I
believe) are the same between Windows and Linux. The differences are in
how you interact with the system (kernel), certain file I/O and certain
networking functions.

Of course if you are planning to write graphical applications, the
difference is huge, but take it one step at a time :)

As Hooman said, Linux is probably the best to learn the basics of C.

Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> thanks for helping me out

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From hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 23 23:43:53 2004
From: hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Hooman Baradaran)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:43:53 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <20040723234158.GE25300-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200407231913.11130.hooman@yorku.ca> <20040723234158.GE25300@lupus.perlwolf.com>
Message-ID: <200407231943.53279.hooman@yorku.ca>

Well said! ;-)

On July 23, 2004 07:41 pm, John Macdonald wrote:
> So Hooman, you are agreeing that "bloodshed" is a good
> name for a Windows compiler?  :-)
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 07:13:10PM -0400, Hooman Baradaran wrote:
> > Hi,
> > In my opinion, Linux is absolutely better. Linux and C are so close that
> > I learned them in the same course (at York U.). The C compiler for Linux
> > is gcc and it's great.
> > For me it is much easier to code C/C++ in Linux. In fact I a working on a
> > project using MS Visual C++ in Windows and it bugs me so much I can't
> > wait till it's over!
> >
> > Hope that it helps!
> >
> > On July 23, 2004 07:02 pm, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was
> > > under the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try
> > > linux when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > > thanks for helping me out
> > >
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 02:08:49 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:08:49 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
package
its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
bloodshed
and another question what is the deferents from Linux and windows
programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
migrate a windows to Linux app right 



On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 19:02, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> thanks for helping me out
> 
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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 02:19:59 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:19:59 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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I am a stupid immigrant here. But still I am sensitive to language. Is
it used in English to write in lowercase the first letter of the
sentence? "i", I guess, should also be in capital?

zb.
P.s.: I simply do not comprehend silly language in public. Neither
English nor my native Polish. In case of English, I would rather like to
learn from you writing here.

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:08, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
> apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
> thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
> finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
> compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
> bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
> package
> its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
> bloodshed
> and another question what is the deferents from Linux and windows
> programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
> migrate a windows to Linux app right 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 19:02, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> > the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> > when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > thanks for helping me out
> > 
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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 02:41:21 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:41:21 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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i have a question to zbigniew dos it matter if i write it with out
correct grammer but the person under stud it?
all that really matters is if the person can read it without struggling
right 



On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:19, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> I am a stupid immigrant here. But still I am sensitive to language. Is
> it used in English to write in lowercase the first letter of the
> sentence? "i", I guess, should also be in capital?
> 
> zb.
> P.s.: I simply do not comprehend silly language in public. Neither
> English nor my native Polish. In case of English, I would rather like to
> learn from you writing here.
> 
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:08, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
> > apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
> > thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
> > finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
> > compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
> > bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
> > package
> > its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
> > bloodshed
> > and another question what is the deferents from Linux and windows
> > programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
> > migrate a windows to Linux app right 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 19:02, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> > > the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> > > when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > > thanks for helping me out
> > > 
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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 02:48:09 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:48:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> I am a stupid immigrant here. But still I am sensitive to language. Is
> it used in English to write in lowercase the first letter of the
> sentence?  "i", I guess, should also be in capital?

Both should indeed be capitalized; you are correct.  There are people who
think it doesn't matter, perhaps because they have failed to grasp that
the purpose of postings is to communicate and this is best done by using
standard English.

(Although, in fairness, there *are* people whose sloppy capitalization,
poor spelling, etc. come from being handicapped in some way.  For example,
there are people with muscle-control problems who can only barely type at
all, at painfully low speed, and who know they're making mistakes but find
it impractical to fix them all.  It's best to reserve judgement until you
know whether an apparently-sloppy person is in fact such an unfortunate.)

                                                          Henry Spencer
                                                       henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 02:52:05 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:52:05 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 07:02:28PM -0400, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> thanks for helping me out

Learning on a unix system with a simple text console for I/O is actually
much simpler (I think) than learning on Windows where you have to deal
with so much other crap.  You can do command line only programs in
windows, but it isn't really what it seems set up to build by default.

If you did work on Windows, Dev-C++ is a nice free IDE which uses
GCC/G++ and has SDL libs available which allows you to write code that
should be compileable and runable on both linux and windows with little
changes required.  I found it to be much simpler to do neat things with
than Visual Studio.

Lennart Sorensen
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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 03:01:43 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:01:43 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:41, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i have a question to zbigniew dos it matter if i write it with out
> correct grammer but the person under stud it?
> all that really matters is if the person can read it without struggling
> right 

It is nice that you have a question to me. I must however with sorrow to
admit that I do not understand your question.

zb,

> 
> 
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:19, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> > I am a stupid immigrant here. But still I am sensitive to language. Is
> > it used in English to write in lowercase the first letter of the
> > sentence? "i", I guess, should also be in capital?
> > 
> > zb.
> > P.s.: I simply do not comprehend silly language in public. Neither
> > English nor my native Polish. In case of English, I would rather like to
> > learn from you writing here.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:08, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > > another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
> > > apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
> > > thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
> > > finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
> > > compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
> > > bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
> > > package
> > > its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
> > > bloodshed
> > > and another question what is the deferents from Linux and windows
> > > programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
> > > migrate a windows to Linux app right 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 19:02, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > > > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > > > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > > > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > > > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> > > > the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > > > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > > > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> > > > when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > > > thanks for helping me out
> > > > 
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 03:02:49 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:02:49 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> zb.
> P.s.: I simply do not comprehend silly language in public. Neither
> English nor my native Polish. In case of English, I would rather like to
> learn from you writing here.

It's hard even for (almost) native english speakers like myself to
understand sloppy english :(.
E-mail is not a chat-room. You have time to think and re-read what you
write. Let's at least *try* to use proper English.

But let's not start a flamewar over this :)


Back to Aaron's question:

As I have mentioned in my previous post, there is really no difference
between Linux and Windows programming as far as pure C is concerned. I
don't believe "Sam's teach your self C in 21 days" (a good book by the
way) goes into GUI programming. It covers the basics of the actual
language, which are the same across (all?) platforms.

You can't write "true" cross platform apps in C. At the very least you
have to re-compile them for every platform (Win32, Linux/ELF, Mac,
etc.). As long as your programs are command-line based ("dos boxes"),
they will run fine.

I don't know if you are interested in GUI programming (windows, buttons,
text boxes, etc.), but here it goes:

The real problem is when you get into GUI programming. There are many
"toolkits" available for Linux to help you write GUI programs, but most
are not cross-platform. I believe "wxWindows" and "GTK" are
cross-platform, as is QT (but you have to pay $$ for the Windows
version). I wouldn't rush into GUI programming just yet; first master
the basics of the language.

> 
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:08, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> 
>>another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
>>apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
>>thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
>>finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
>>compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
>>bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
>>package
>>its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
>>bloodshed
If you really want something that "tries to do too much for you", take a
look at KDevelop, which is great, but I find it an overkill for writing
command-line only programs.

>>and another question 
>>what is the deferents from Linux and windows
>>programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
>>migrate a windows to Linux app right 
See above.

The main two differences are:
- Different C libraries (you have to re-compile)
- Different GUI toolkits (you have to port/use cross-platform ones)
- Other??

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From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 03:17:47 2004
From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:17:47 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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At 07:23 PM 23/07/2004 -0400, Anton Markov wrote:
[snip]
>However, if you ARE looking for an IDE on Linux (which does make life
>easier in the beginning), a good IDE I would recommend is KDevelop from
>the KDE project.

KDevelop uses the Qt framework so you must be aware of the license terms 
before you go down that path. Qt is NOT free on Win32 or for creating non 
GPL apps.

>However, it's always good to learn the underlying tools
>such as gcc, gdb, etc. And an IDE can be distracting at times. So choose
>for yourself.

I would stay away from any of the frameworks, GTK, Qt, wxWidgets, whatever. 
It is too difficult for a beginner to distinguish what is part of the 
framework and what is part of the language. I learned C on the Macintosh 
back in System 6 days but until I found Dave Mark's excellent "Learn C on 
the Macintosh" book, which came with the ThinkC compiler, it was a struggle 
and C looked overwhelmingly complex. The C tutorials that targeted the Mac 
were not really C tutorials but MacApp tutorials and as such, were really 
teaching creating applications in C for the Mac OS. Most of the C/C++ books 
that are out there are very much like that. What I liked about Dave Mark's 
book was that one could use a C compiler on DOS or UNIX to follow his 
examples, at least early in the book. That book and the Kernighan and 
Ritchie classic, "The C Programming Language", were a very good combination 
for me.

>As for the differences between the OSs...
>C is a standard, so the basic language (and the standard libraries I
>believe) are the same between Windows and Linux. The differences are in
>how you interact with the system (kernel), certain file I/O and certain
>networking functions.
>
>Of course if you are planning to write graphical applications, the
>difference is huge, but take it one step at a time :)

The differences are huge indeed but there are cross platform libraries, 
like the aforementioned ones, that abstract those differences away for the 
most part.

>As Hooman said, Linux is probably the best to learn the basics of C.

... and you will have no shortage of source code to read:)

>Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
> > days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
> > called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
> > wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
> > the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
> > and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
> > linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
> > when i get better or should i learn in linux???
> > thanks for helping me out

Regards,

Clifford Ilkay
Dinamis Corporation
3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M4N 3P6

Tel: 416-410-3326 

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 03:28:45 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:28:45 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
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On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 11:02:49PM -0400, Anton Markov wrote:
> It's hard even for (almost) native english speakers like myself to
> understand sloppy english :(.
> E-mail is not a chat-room. You have time to think and re-read what you
> write. Let's at least *try* to use proper English.
> 
> But let's not start a flamewar over this :)
> 
> 
> Back to Aaron's question:
> 
> As I have mentioned in my previous post, there is really no difference
> between Linux and Windows programming as far as pure C is concerned. I
> don't believe "Sam's teach your self C in 21 days" (a good book by the
> way) goes into GUI programming. It covers the basics of the actual
> language, which are the same across (all?) platforms.
> 
> You can't write "true" cross platform apps in C. At the very least you
> have to re-compile them for every platform (Win32, Linux/ELF, Mac,
> etc.). As long as your programs are command-line based ("dos boxes"),
> they will run fine.
> 
> I don't know if you are interested in GUI programming (windows, buttons,
> text boxes, etc.), but here it goes:
> 
> The real problem is when you get into GUI programming. There are many
> "toolkits" available for Linux to help you write GUI programs, but most
> are not cross-platform. I believe "wxWindows" and "GTK" are
> cross-platform, as is QT (but you have to pay $$ for the Windows
> version). I wouldn't rush into GUI programming just yet; first master
> the basics of the language.

SDL/wxWindows combo seems to be pretty decent for avoiding most of the
hassles of making a program work on more than one OS.  wxWindows can use
GTK on Linux and MFC on Windows, which makes it look nice on both.

Lennart Sorensen
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 04:44:58 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:44:58 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090636880.3940.23.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090634929.3940.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090635599.5436.8.camel@zbych>
	 <1090636880.3940.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1090644298.9100.24.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:41, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i have a question to zbigniew dos it matter if i write it with out
> correct grammer but the person under stud it?
> all that really matters is if the person can read it without struggling
> right 

I've resisted commenting about this earlier, but now that it's out in
the open I really need to point this out.  Your lack of effort to write
clearly does two things here:

1) It makes it much more difficult for people to help you since they
can't understand what you're trying to say

2) You come off sounding both arrogant and ignorant, since it's
reasonably obvious that you could write clearly but have chosen not to.

The whole xbox thread proved the first part.  I didn't understand what
you were trying to do until the very end of it, and I still don't know
what came out of it.

The second point is not going to win you any friends.  Reality is that
when you make posts this poorly written, people will start treating you
like noise.  We don't gain anything by replying to you, so if you don't
want to put the effort into writing the email, why should we bother?

Kareem

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From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 09:32:18 2004
From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:32:18 -0400
Subject: Tunnel SMTP over ssh
Message-ID: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>

I am travelling with my laptop and would like to be able to send mail
from evolution and kmail. At home I have a server running postfix
which sends mail by relaying it to my local ISP. I would like to set my
laptop up relay mail to my home server which would then send it via my
local ISP. I would like to do this relaying using an ssh tunnel. I
currently use shared keys to make my ssh connections so interactive
authentication is not required.

My question is what do I need to set up on my laptop to send the mail
and what changes to I need to make to my server's postfix configuration
to make this relaying possible?

Cheers,

Noah

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From pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 11:39:45 2004
From: pmills-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:39:45 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040723215417.B51E54885-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <40FD817B.3090100@truxtar.com> <20040723215417.B51E54885@cbbrowne.com>
Message-ID: <294612D2-DD66-11D8-8190-00050249A5C8@istop.com>

On Jul 23, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Christopher Browne wrote:

> That being said, the option we use for the "formal" side of this at 
> work
> is Zope, as a "document management" system.

Thanks for the suggestions.  And thanks also to all the others who have 
responded with ideas.

I tried out Zope some time ago just so I'd have an idea what it's 
about.  My problem with using it for this purpose is that it seemed 
that the structure needed some planning.  Normally, I'd insist that was 
a *good* thing, but not for this application.  Here's I'd like the 
content to suggest structure and changes to content should 
"automatically" modify structure.  (I only use Zope as an example; most 
applications have that behavior.)

Based on a URL someone posted, I'm now trying out TWiki as a solution.  
Its auto-linking based on keywords is appealing, so is the plugin 
architecture and freeform information entry.

........................
Phillip Mills
Multi-platform software development
(416) 224-0714

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From fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 15:28:35 2004
From: fedoralinux-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Aaron Sorensen)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:28:35 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090644298.9100.24.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090634929.3940.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090635599.5436.8.camel@zbych>
	 <1090636880.3940.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090644298.9100.24.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1090682914.3969.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Well this is kinda personal but i have a ld (learning disorder) on
spelling and grammar u don't notice my spelling as much cause i use
spell checker

On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 00:44, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:41, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> > i have a question to zbigniew dos it matter if i write it with out
> > correct grammer but the person under stud it?
> > all that really matters is if the person can read it without struggling
> > right 
> 
> I've resisted commenting about this earlier, but now that it's out in
> the open I really need to point this out.  Your lack of effort to write
> clearly does two things here:
> 
> 1) It makes it much more difficult for people to help you since they
> can't understand what you're trying to say
> 
> 2) You come off sounding both arrogant and ignorant, since it's
> reasonably obvious that you could write clearly but have chosen not to.
> 
> The whole xbox thread proved the first part.  I didn't understand what
> you were trying to do until the very end of it, and I still don't know
> what came out of it.
> 
> The second point is not going to win you any friends.  Reality is that
> when you make posts this poorly written, people will start treating you
> like noise.  We don't gain anything by replying to you, so if you don't
> want to put the effort into writing the email, why should we bother?
> 
> Kareem

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 15:53:56 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:53:56 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090682914.3969.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090634929.3940.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090635599.5436.8.camel@zbych>
	 <1090636880.3940.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090644298.9100.24.camel@localhost>
	 <1090682914.3969.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1090684436.9098.36.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 11:28, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> Well this is kinda personal but i have a ld (learning disorder) on
> spelling and grammar u don't notice my spelling as much cause i use
> spell checker

Now that's a very different story.  It didn't seem like that because you
tend to use a lot of "leet speak" type of things (like u instead of you,
among others), which most people actually have to try to use.

If you actually have an LD, then I applaud your effort in trying to use
a text-only forum.  I can understand that it's difficult to write out
your ideas completely, but do keep up the effort.  Even just a bit of
time spent editing an email will make a big difference to the responses
you get.

Kareem

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From dbarkwell-05pvsIyEU8vQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 17:14:06 2004
From: dbarkwell-05pvsIyEU8vQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dan Barkwell)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:14:06 -0400
Subject: Tunnel SMTP over ssh
In-Reply-To: <20040724093218.GJ6959-y6Pr2RmEDtOJK1hZEW34O3gSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>


ssh (ssh2) -L localport:localhost:connectport username at servername

You should be able to use the above command to connect. It routes any
local traffic on the localport to the server on the connecting port.

For more info see man ssh.

DB

On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 05:32, Noah John Gellner wrote:
> I am travelling with my laptop and would like to be able to send mail
> from evolution and kmail. At home I have a server running postfix
> which sends mail by relaying it to my local ISP. I would like to set my
> laptop up relay mail to my home server which would then send it via my
> local ISP. I would like to do this relaying using an ssh tunnel. I
> currently use shared keys to make my ssh connections so interactive
> authentication is not required.
> 
> My question is what do I need to set up on my laptop to send the mail
> and what changes to I need to make to my server's postfix configuration
> to make this relaying possible?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Noah

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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 18:56:45 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:56:45 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <1090636880.3940.23.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <1090634929.3940.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <1090635599.5436.8.camel@zbych> <1090636880.3940.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4102B0ED.1030108@rogers.com>

Proper capitalization, spelling, punctuation and structure go a long way 
to making a message understandable.  I've seen many that were so bad, 
they were unintelligible.  If you can't be bothered to write correctly, 
there are many who can't be bothered to reply.


Also, given that there are many on the internet, who struggle to 
understand English, not using proper form adds to their difficulties.

It is also rude and inconsiderate.


Aaron Sorensen wrote:
> i have a question to zbigniew dos it matter if i write it with out
> correct grammer but the person under stud it?
> all that really matters is if the person can read it without struggling
> right 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:19, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> 
>>I am a stupid immigrant here. But still I am sensitive to language. Is
>>it used in English to write in lowercase the first letter of the
>>sentence? "i", I guess, should also be in capital?
>>
>>zb.
>>P.s.: I simply do not comprehend silly language in public. Neither
>>English nor my native Polish. In case of English, I would rather like to
>>learn from you writing here.
>>
>>On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 22:08, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
>>
>>>another thing i heard is Linux is the best for writing cross platform
>>>apps. so can anybody tell me anything about that or give me a link. the
>>>thing i really liked about the bloodshed app. is everything was at my
>>>finger tips so i scrolled up to the top and i could debug the program
>>>compiler i could go to like create or what ever it was cold at the tool
>>>bar and then i could create a icon or turn my program into a start
>>>package
>>>its jest all at my finger tips is there a app that can do all that like
>>>bloodshed
>>>and another question what is the deferents from Linux and windows
>>>programing ?? like alot of the apps arnt the same or its harder to
>>>migrate a windows to Linux app right 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 19:02, Aaron Sorensen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi I got a book to learn to program C (Sam's teach your self C in 21
>>>>days 5th) and i looked at the CD that came with it and the compiler is
>>>>called Dev c++ bloodshed or something its under windows and i was
>>>>wondering if Linux had a good compiler like bloodshed and that was under
>>>>the ANSI ISO/iec 9899:1999.
>>>>and a nother question i have is whats the diffrents form windows and
>>>>linux programing and should i stick to learning in windows and try linux
>>>>when i get better or should i learn in linux???
>>>>thanks for helping me out
>>>>
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 19:19:00 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:19:00 -0400
Subject: Tunnel SMTP over ssh
In-Reply-To: <20040724093218.GJ6959-y6Pr2RmEDtOJK1hZEW34O3gSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <4102B624.7030502@rogers.com>

Noah John Gellner wrote:
> I am travelling with my laptop and would like to be able to send mail
> from evolution and kmail. At home I have a server running postfix
> which sends mail by relaying it to my local ISP. I would like to set my
> laptop up relay mail to my home server which would then send it via my
> local ISP. I would like to do this relaying using an ssh tunnel. I
> currently use shared keys to make my ssh connections so interactive
> authentication is not required.
> 
> My question is what do I need to set up on my laptop to send the mail
> and what changes to I need to make to my server's postfix configuration
> to make this relaying possible?

I have done similar, using the CIPE VPN.  What I did, was set up a route 
for the smtp server, via my home network, whenever the VPN was running.
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 24 23:42:48 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:42:48 -0400
Subject: linux compiler tools for C
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040723224655.02102c58-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090623747.3940.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5.2.0.9.0.20040723224655.02102c58@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407241942.48920.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 23, 2004 11:17 pm, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote:
> At 07:23 PM 23/07/2004 -0400, Anton Markov wrote:
>
> >However, if you ARE looking for an IDE on Linux (which does make life
> >easier in the beginning), a good IDE I would recommend is KDevelop from
> >the KDE project.
>
> KDevelop uses the Qt framework so you must be aware of the license terms
> before you go down that path. Qt is NOT free on Win32 or for creating non
> GPL apps.

Your point regarding Qt is valid but that does not discount kdevelop as a 
useful IDE for C/C++ (other reasons may), even if your C code is to run under 
DOS.  

Eclipse is another possible IDE, it's written in java and supports java 
development but I'm pretty sure that it also supports C program development 
(see http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/).

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 25 16:27:26 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 12:27:26 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
Message-ID: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost>


This is odd... I just managed to pick up a brother HL-6 laser printer. 
Neither cups.org, nor linuxprinting.org have any reference to it, though
the printing HOWTO states that there is marginal support for it.  I
figured linuxprinting would at least have a reference it being unusable
or something if that were the case, but I'm not quite sure of what to
make with this void.  Has anyone seen anything about this printer, or
other Brother printers?

Thanks,

Kareem
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From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 25 17:33:12 2004
From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:33:12 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040725121047.02b0b3f0@mail.interlog.com>

At 10:15 AM 07/20/2004, Phillip Mills wrote:
>My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
>documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion loose 
>notes I make on every possible topic.
>
>Comments?  Thoughts?

Based in part on your rough notes and more from your planned use, what came 
to mind is a program called an "Idea Processor" or "Outline Processor". I 
had a program for an Amiga computer ages ago for this. I also remember a 
somewhat related but older program for the Apple ][ by the creators of 
Visicalc (IIRC). I think the program may have been called Visinotes(??). It 
gave you a "card" on the screen (a text area of so many lines of x 
characters wide) where you type. The information was then saved to floppy 
disk. It allowed you to do searches to pull up the information. It was in 
part like a computerized version of a drawer full of index cards. I can't 
remember if (how?) it allowed organizing "cards".

Here are a few URLs from a Google search that might lead you to something 
of use/interest:
http://www.ceap.wcu.edu/Houghton/EDELCompEduc/Themes/Outlining/outlining.html
http://members.rediff.com/cpsiitd/software.htm
http://www.modelandmine.com/links_misc.htm


Cheers!

Kevin.  (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/)

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From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 25 19:08:54 2004
From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:08:54 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040725121047.02b0b3f0-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
 <6.0.1.1.2.20040725121047.02b0b3f0@mail.interlog.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040725150633.02758eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca>

At 01:33 PM 7/25/04, you wrote:

>At 10:15 AM 07/20/2004, Phillip Mills wrote:
>>My main uses for a thing like this would be brainstorming, project 
>>documentation/management, and -- above all -- organizing the zillion 
>>loose notes I make on every possible topic.
>>Comments?  Thoughts?
>
>Based in part on your rough notes and more from your planned use, what 
>came to mind is a program called an "Idea Processor" or "Outline 
>Processor". I had a program for an Amiga computer ages ago for this. I 
>also remember a somewhat related but older program for the Apple ][ by the 
>creators of Visicalc (IIRC). I think the program may have been called 
>Visinotes(??). It gave you a "card" on the screen (a text area of so many 
>lines of x characters wide) where you type. The information was then saved 
>to floppy disk. It allowed you to do searches to pull up the information. 
>It was in part like a computerized version of a drawer full of index 
>cards. I can't remember if (how?) it allowed organizing "cards".

Since Visicalc was written in Forth a question on comp.lang.forth might 
help you find out.


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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Sun Jul 25 20:41:37 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:41:37 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
In-Reply-To: <1090772846.9098.40.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1090788097.9098.50.camel@localhost>

I've now managed to get the thing to print with the HP LaserJet 2p
foomatic driver, but I'm back to the problem that I've often had with
everything foomatic: margin and offset issues.  The page is shifted
right and up by a wicked amount.  On the CUPS test page, I only get the
bottom border.  Has anyone else run into this, or have any idea where
I'd look?

Also, I think I'll need to replace the toner and some odd parts.  Are
there any stores in the GTA that would have components for this old
beast?

Thanks again!

Kareem
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 02:22:44 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:22:44 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040725150633.02758eb0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> 
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040725121047.02b0b3f0@mail.interlog.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20040725150633.02758eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040726022244.EA92A4884@cbbrowne.com>

> Since Visicalc was written in Forth a question on comp.lang.forth might 
> help you find out.

It most certainly was NOT written in Forth.

According to Dan Bricklin's web site: 

  "VisiCalc was coded in assembler, first for the MOS Technology 6502
  microprocessor used in the Apple ][. The assembler Bob started with
  ran on the MIT Multics typesharing system."
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 03:23:37 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:23:37 -0400
Subject: isapnp kernel support
Message-ID: <1090812217.9098.57.camel@localhost>

After spending the afternoon with my brother and his PII-350, I now
remember just how much fun "Plug-and-Play" wasn't.  I managed to get
everything working, but I ended up hacking things together a little
bit.  To summarize my question: how does one configure an isapnp card
when isapnp is built into the kernel?

I ended up modifying /etc/init.d/isapnp (from isapnptools) to basically
be:

cat /etc/isapnp.conf > /proc/isapnp

Where /etc/isapnp.conf is along the lines of:

card 0 CTL00xx
dev 0 CTL0045
irq 0 x
io 0 x
io 1 x
io 2 x
dma 0 x
dma 1 x

Which seems to do the trick, though it seems hackish.  Is there a better
way of setting isapnp parameters?

Thanks,

Kareem

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From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 04:07:28 2004
From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:07:28 -0400
Subject: isapnp kernel support
In-Reply-To: <1090812217.9098.57.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090812217.9098.57.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:23:37 -0400, Kareem Shehata  wrote:

> Which seems to do the trick, though it seems hackish.  Is there a better
> way of setting isapnp parameters?

Nope.  The fact that you managed to get it to work is a feat in itself.  

I remember when 2.4 first came out, and this new way of configuring
ISAPNP cards was introduced, I sorely missed the old "pnpdump" and
"isapnp" tools of 2.2.  At the time I was trying to configure an IBM
Token Ring card, which worked perfectly with kernel 2.2, and I
couldn't get to work worth a damn with 2.4.  Eventually, I gave up and
got a PCI card.

pm

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From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 06:10:11 2004
From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 02:10:11 -0400
Subject: Tunnel SMTP over ssh
In-Reply-To: <1090689245.2607.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040726061011.GB10515@butters.WorkGroup>

I have been trying to do this via ssh tunneling. I forward localport
2025 to port 25 of the server. I use 2025 since port 25 is a restricted
port on my laptop that only root can forward.

The problem wasn't with the tunnel, or even with postfix, rather it was
with SMTP-AUTH which doesn't seem to be authenticating properly. Since I
don't plan on opening port 25 on my firewall I figure that there is no
harm in running postfix w/o authentication, at least for the time being.

Cheers,
Noah

In actual error message from & to are real email addresses. 


On 13:14 Sat 24 Jul     , Dan Barkwell wrote:
> 
> ssh (ssh2) -L localport:localhost:connectport username at servername
> 
> You should be able to use the above command to connect. It routes any
> local traffic on the localport to the server on the connecting port.
> 
> For more info see man ssh.
> 
> DB
> 
> On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 05:32, Noah John Gellner wrote:
> > I am travelling with my laptop and would like to be able to send mail
> > from evolution and kmail. At home I have a server running postfix
> > which sends mail by relaying it to my local ISP. I would like to set my
> > laptop up relay mail to my home server which would then send it via my
> > local ISP. I would like to do this relaying using an ssh tunnel. I
> > currently use shared keys to make my ssh connections so interactive
> > authentication is not required.
> > 
> > My question is what do I need to set up on my laptop to send the mail
> > and what changes to I need to make to my server's postfix configuration
> > to make this relaying possible?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Noah
> 
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 11:15:26 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:15:26 -0400
Subject: Tunnel SMTP over ssh
In-Reply-To: <20040726061011.GB10515-y6Pr2RmEDtOJK1hZEW34O3gSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20040726061011.GB10515@butters.WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <200407260715.26312.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 26, 2004 02:10 am, Noah John Gellner wrote:

> I have been trying to do this via ssh tunneling. I forward localport
> 2025 to port 25 of the server. I use 2025 since port 25 is a restricted
> port on my laptop that only root can forward.

Try adding the following in /etc/postfix/main.cf:

  relayhost = [127.0.0.1:2025]

I don't know for sure that that will work but I suspect that it will.

> The problem wasn't with the tunnel, or even with postfix, rather it was
> with SMTP-AUTH which doesn't seem to be authenticating properly. Since I
> don't plan on opening port 25 on my firewall I figure that there is no
> harm in running postfix w/o authentication, at least for the time being.

Your mail server will see traffic coming from the firewall on your home LAN 
(or at least from the IP of whichever machine you ssh into).  So just add the 
IP address of that machine to mynetworks.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 13:25:07 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:25:07 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
In-Reply-To: <1090772846.9098.40.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040726132507.GB14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:27:26PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> This is odd... I just managed to pick up a brother HL-6 laser printer. 
> Neither cups.org, nor linuxprinting.org have any reference to it, though
> the printing HOWTO states that there is marginal support for it.  I
> figured linuxprinting would at least have a reference it being unusable
> or something if that were the case, but I'm not quite sure of what to
> make with this void.  Has anyone seen anything about this printer, or
> other Brother printers?

My experience with Brother printers is that they are very cheap junk,
support is terrible if you are not running windows, and just OK in
windows.  The one I dealt with most was the HL10V which supposedly is
HP LJ3 compatible, except it's margins are so wide that anything that
expects LJ3 margins gets cut off.  So much for being compatible.

I highly recommend never buying anything made by Brother.

You want a Laser, but an HP or a postscript capable model.  You want an
inkjet, buy an Epson.  You want a scanner, get an Epson.  Your life in
linux will be much better.

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From hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 13:38:34 2004
From: hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Hooman Baradaran)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:38:34 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
In-Reply-To: <20040726132507.GB14878-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost> <20040726132507.GB14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <1090849114.4105095ad508e@mymail.yorku.ca>

I have to disagree. I'm using a Brother HL-1435 (cheaper than the replacement
drum unit, yet really cool). It works flawlessly and the Linux desktop/server
now acts as the print server for Windows machines too.
The only thing is that I had to choose HL-1270 instead of HL-1430 (no driver for
HL-1435 itself).
You must Google and see what model you should be using instead.
I did a quick search and the HL-6 is in fact PostScript. You just need to enable
 it. This small thread might help.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=stud.805444522%40winternet.com&rnum=13&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dlinux%2Bbrother%2Bhl-6%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26start%3D10%26sa%3DN

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Quoting Lennart Sorensen :

> On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:27:26PM -0400, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> > This is odd... I just managed to pick up a brother HL-6 laser printer. 
> > Neither cups.org, nor linuxprinting.org have any reference to it, though
> > the printing HOWTO states that there is marginal support for it.  I
> > figured linuxprinting would at least have a reference it being unusable
> > or something if that were the case, but I'm not quite sure of what to
> > make with this void.  Has anyone seen anything about this printer, or
> > other Brother printers?
> 
> My experience with Brother printers is that they are very cheap junk,
> support is terrible if you are not running windows, and just OK in
> windows.  The one I dealt with most was the HL10V which supposedly is
> HP LJ3 compatible, except it's margins are so wide that anything that
> expects LJ3 margins gets cut off.  So much for being compatible.
> 
> I highly recommend never buying anything made by Brother.
> 
> You want a Laser, but an HP or a postscript capable model.  You want an
> inkjet, buy an Epson.  You want a scanner, get an Epson.  Your life in
> linux will be much better.
> 
> Lennart Sorensen
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From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 13:38:41 2004
From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:38:41 -0400
Subject: Flexible information management
In-Reply-To: <20040726022244.EA92A4884-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References: <304E1DF0-DA57-11D8-9646-00050249A5C8@istop.com>
 <6.0.1.1.2.20040725121047.02b0b3f0@mail.interlog.com>
 <6.1.2.0.2.20040725150633.02758eb0@pop1.sympatico.ca>
 <20040726022244.EA92A4884@cbbrowne.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20040726092214.02752690@pop1.sympatico.ca>

It seems that I got Visicalc mixed up with VP-Planner.

At 10:22 PM 7/25/04, you wrote:
> > Since Visicalc was written in Forth a question on comp.lang.forth might
> > help you find out.
>
>It most certainly was NOT written in Forth.
>
>According to Dan Bricklin's web site:
>
>   "VisiCalc was coded in assembler, first for the MOS Technology 6502
>   microprocessor used in the Apple ][. The assembler Bob started with
>   ran on the MIT Multics typesharing system."
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 16:28:41 2004
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:28:41 -0400
Subject: Make sure your sound is on!
Message-ID: <41053139.2030006@rogers.com>

http://www.linspire.com/run_linspire.php


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From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Mon Jul 26 22:27:43 2004
From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:27:43 -0400
Subject: isapnp kernel support
In-Reply-To: <1090812217.9098.57.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090812217.9098.57.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4105855F.8040602@sympatico.ca>

About a year ago, I spent hours trying to configure an isapnp modem 
using isapnptools, only to notice that the card was being recognized at 
boot and what I was doing was changing the configuration to something 
that didn't work. I guess the first thing is to see if the card is 
recognized before using isapnptools.

Kareem Shehata wrote:

>After spending the afternoon with my brother and his PII-350, I now
>remember just how much fun "Plug-and-Play" wasn't.  I managed to get
>everything working, but I ended up hacking things together a little
>bit.  To summarize my question: how does one configure an isapnp card
>when isapnp is built into the kernel?
>
>I ended up modifying /etc/init.d/isapnp (from isapnptools) to basically
>be:
>
>cat /etc/isapnp.conf > /proc/isapnp
>
>Where /etc/isapnp.conf is along the lines of:
>
>card 0 CTL00xx
>dev 0 CTL0045
>irq 0 x
>io 0 x
>io 1 x
>io 2 x
>dma 0 x
>dma 1 x
>
>Which seems to do the trick, though it seems hackish.  Is there a better
>way of setting isapnp parameters?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kareem
>
>  
>

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 12:46:04 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:46:04 -0400
Subject: isapnp kernel support
In-Reply-To: <4105855F.8040602-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090812217.9098.57.camel@localhost> <4105855F.8040602@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <20040727124603.GC14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 06:27:43PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote:
> About a year ago, I spent hours trying to configure an isapnp modem 
> using isapnptools, only to notice that the card was being recognized at 
> boot and what I was doing was changing the configuration to something 
> that didn't work. I guess the first thing is to see if the card is 
> recognized before using isapnptools.

Yeah as long as PnP OS installed is turned off in the BIOS, the BIOS
should do its job and configure all pnp devices to something sensible.
in the case of modem/serial devices, that means to some valid serial
port with a non conflicting irq (which setserial auto_irq autoconfig
with ttyS2 or ttyS3 as the device) can then make fully work.  If it
happens to be ttyS1, well then there is nothing to do since it would
just be a regular com2.

Sound cards you would have to somehow figure out what settings it was
assigned, but could then just load the drivers with those settings.

I think I do personally prefer the 2.4+ kernel way of dealing with it,
although I think PCI devices are even better. :)

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From michael-3aH0qR8MVRD3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 12:59:50 2004
From: michael-3aH0qR8MVRD3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Michael Coburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:59:50 -0400
Subject: Toshiba TF821 fax/printer available
Message-ID: <1090933190.21584.47.camel@nelson.michener.ca>

Hi, I've got a TF821 fax machine / laser printer available.  Please mail
me off list if you are interested.  I'm in the High Park area, and could
probably drop it off if you're local.  Thanks,
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From michael-3aH0qR8MVRD3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 13:05:50 2004
From: michael-3aH0qR8MVRD3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Michael Coburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:05:50 -0400
Subject: Adding a bind nameserver to Netware 6.5 / eDirectory
Message-ID: <1090933550.21584.55.camel@nelson.michener.ca>

Hi, this might be a little off-topic and I apologise for that.

Query:
Is there a way to add a linux DNS server (running bind) as a valid NS
record on Netware 6.5?  My Netware admin is telling me that you need to
add eDirectory as a service on the linux machine, so that it becomes an
object in the tree, and then can be added.  Is this the only way?

We have an issue at our office, where the four of our Netware machines'
DNS service hung yesterday, and the only machine still resolving
internally was our debian stable box.  My understanding of DNS is that
you're _supposed_ to list in the zonefile all machines that will be
serving up said zone as NS records, but Netware (via ConsoleOne) won't
let us add it.  The debian server's ip is being handed out by dhcp as a
nameserver for use by our clients (WinXP systems), for both the internal
zone -- it operates as a secondary -- and for resolving external
addresses.  Other than reported "slow browsing" from our clients, the
network remained functional.  

The admin's suggestion I'm sure would work, but it would involve us
migrating to another distro (SuSE Enterprise or Red Hat Enterprise). 
We've grown to be quite happy running debian in production and I would
really hate to leave it.  Any suggestions?
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 13:52:25 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:52:25 -0400
Subject: Adding a bind nameserver to Netware 6.5 / eDirectory
In-Reply-To: <1090933550.21584.55.camel-elXclb45plFNvdbOavbiTrDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090933550.21584.55.camel@nelson.michener.ca>
Message-ID: <20040727135225.GD14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 09:05:50AM -0400, Michael Coburn wrote:
> Hi, this might be a little off-topic and I apologise for that.
> 
> Query:
> Is there a way to add a linux DNS server (running bind) as a valid NS
> record on Netware 6.5?  My Netware admin is telling me that you need to
> add eDirectory as a service on the linux machine, so that it becomes an
> object in the tree, and then can be added.  Is this the only way?
> 
> We have an issue at our office, where the four of our Netware machines'
> DNS service hung yesterday, and the only machine still resolving
> internally was our debian stable box.  My understanding of DNS is that
> you're _supposed_ to list in the zonefile all machines that will be
> serving up said zone as NS records, but Netware (via ConsoleOne) won't
> let us add it.  The debian server's ip is being handed out by dhcp as a
> nameserver for use by our clients (WinXP systems), for both the internal
> zone -- it operates as a secondary -- and for resolving external
> addresses.  Other than reported "slow browsing" from our clients, the
> network remained functional.  

I have no idea how netware does things, but couldn't you just leave
linux as the only system providing DNS and just tell the netware
machiens who is in charge of DNS on the network (ie: not netware)?  If
it doesn't know how to cooperate with non netware, maybe it's not the
right thing to manage services.

> The admin's suggestion I'm sure would work, but it would involve us
> migrating to another distro (SuSE Enterprise or Red Hat Enterprise). 
> We've grown to be quite happy running debian in production and I would
> really hate to leave it.  Any suggestions?

You could avoid netware and just use open standards software. :)

Lennart Sorensen
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 17:06:28 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:06:28 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
Message-ID: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost>

Now running Mandrake10 and all is well.. almost!
supermount has been good about mounting my USB-key drive, but leaves
"removable", "removable2", "removable3" .etc on my desktop .. forever !
These entries cannot be seen from ~/Desktop/ but are cluttering up
/mnt/. They are owned by root, but root cannot delete them 
(Cannot remove directory "/mnt/removable2" device or resource busy (16))

Something is amiss !

My fstab entries;
none /mnt/removable supermount
dev=/dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850 0 0
none /mnt/removable2 supermount
dev=/dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850 0 0
none /mnt/removable3 supermount
dev=/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850 0 0
yield no clues to me.
I hesitate to swing the rm machete through /dev

any ideas what I might be doing wrong ?
thanks again,
djp



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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 20:33:00 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:33:00 -0400
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: <1090689245.2607.12.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>


Am I right that xhosts (enabling XWindows access from remote computers)
does not work with Fedora Core 1 (or, possibly, rather with the latest X
servers)?

zb.



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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 01:02:24 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:02:24 +0300 (IDDT)
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: <1090960380.5460.7.camel-FKc/r1SiFoE@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> 
 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
Message-ID: 


On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:

>
> Am I right that xhosts (enabling XWindows access from remote computers)
> does not work with Fedora Core 1 (or, possibly, rather with the latest X
> servers)?

It probably works but the X server is configured not to listen on a bsd
sockt, only local. Check that there is a server port for X server in
netstat or in 'file /proc/`pidof Xserver_name`/fd/*' or similar.

Peter
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 22:22:03 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:22:03 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
Message-ID: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>

This is slightly off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to ask this.

I've managed to get LaTeX to produce envelopes for me using the envlab
package from Boris Veytsman with my letterhead class, and everything
looks great except for one thing.  When I produce a PDF file to email,
it includes the envelope as the second page!

In general, I have a few different documents in LaTeX that I'd like to
split into several output files.  Is there an easy way to do this?

Thanks in advance!

Kareem
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From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 22:35:41 2004
From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:35:41 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <1090966923.9100.94.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>

On July 27, 2004 06:22 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> This is slightly off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to ask this.
>
> I've managed to get LaTeX to produce envelopes for me using the envlab
> package from Boris Veytsman with my letterhead class, and everything
> looks great except for one thing.  When I produce a PDF file to email,
> it includes the envelope as the second page!

I didn't really understand this last bit.  Does the fact that you are
emailing the PDF have anything to do with your problem?

How are you making your pdf?  ps2pdf, or pdflatex, or some
other method?  How does a postscript version look?

> In general, I have a few different documents in LaTeX that I'd like to
> split into several output files.  Is there an easy way to do this?

If you want to split the resulting pdf/ps, it might be worth trying pdftk: 
http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/

If you want to this from latex itself, I think you are only allowed
one \begin{document} and one \end{document} per document.

Good Luck.

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From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Tue Jul 27 22:43:26 2004
From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:43:26 -0400
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
	 
Message-ID: <1090968205.5426.1.camel@zbych>


On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 21:02, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> 
> >
> > Am I right that xhosts (enabling XWindows access from remote
computers)
> > does not work with Fedora Core 1 (or, possibly, rather with the
latest X
> > servers)?

Thanks, Peter, for your ideas.

> It probably works but the X server is configured not to listen on a
bsd
> sockt, only local. Check that there is a server port for X server in
> netstat or in 'file /proc/`pidof Xserver_name`/fd/*' or similar.

You are probably right, in some parts.

After a short unsucessfull guessing what is wrong, I come to this
article through google:

http://www.fedorazine.com/content/view/124/

That helped:

"if you really want to go back to the old behavior, the easiest way is
to edit your /etc/x11/gdm/gdm.conf file and uncoment the
DisallowTCP=true line in it and change it to be false, rather than true"

(except /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf, not /etc/x11/gdm/gdm.conf)

A comment for beginners in Linux:

I have a machine at home that works as my Internet gateway but also as a
real webserver. I develope web sites on that machine. I am used to
nedit, but nedit is an X application. It worked in the past (I could
start nedit on my webserver and see it on my real computer behind the
firewall), and now, by default, FC did not let me use it. 

zb.

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 00:07:00 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:07:00 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <200407271835.41321.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>
	 <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <1090973220.9106.100.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 18:35, Fred Nastos wrote:
> > I've managed to get LaTeX to produce envelopes for me using the envlab
> > package from Boris Veytsman with my letterhead class, and everything
> > looks great except for one thing.  When I produce a PDF file to email,
> > it includes the envelope as the second page!
> 
> I didn't really understand this last bit.  Does the fact that you are
> emailing the PDF have anything to do with your problem?
> 
> How are you making your pdf?  ps2pdf, or pdflatex, or some
> other method?  How does a postscript version look?

The problem is that the pdf or ps file has both the letter and
envelope.  Sending the pdf by email is thus not "a good thing" since I
want whoever is on the receiving end to see only the letter itself, not
the second page with the envelope.

> > In general, I have a few different documents in LaTeX that I'd like to
> > split into several output files.  Is there an easy way to do this?
> 
> If you want to split the resulting pdf/ps, it might be worth trying pdftk: 
> http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
> 
> If you want to this from latex itself, I think you are only allowed
> one \begin{document} and one \end{document} per document.

I'd like to do this within LaTeX, if that's at all possible.  I know
that I can break the ps file into multiple pages, but that's not quite
what I'd like to do.

> Good Luck.

Thanks!

Kareem

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 01:40:11 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:40:11 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <1090973220.9106.100.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>	 <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <1090973220.9106.100.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <410703FB.7000501@sympatico.ca>

Kareem Shehata wrote:
> 
> I'd like to do this within LaTeX, if that's at all possible.  I know
> that I can break the ps file into multiple pages, but that's not quite
> what I'd like to do.

from what I remember, TeX really only likes to create one formatted 
output stream as part of the print job. You may have to use a dvi/ps/pdf 
splitting tool for this to work.

  Stewart

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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 02:02:21 2004
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:02:21 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <1090966923.9100.94.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040727220221.73608ab6.hgibson@eol.ca>

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:22:03 -0400
Kareem Shehata  wrote:

> This is slightly off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to ask this.
> 
> I've managed to get LaTeX to produce envelopes for me using the envlab
> package from Boris Veytsman with my letterhead class, and everything
> looks great except for one thing.  When I produce a PDF file to email,
> it includes the envelope as the second page!
> 
> In general, I have a few different documents in LaTeX that I'd like to
> split into several output files.  Is there an easy way to do this?
> 
> Thanks in advance!

Kareem,

   I have not played much with LaTeX lately.  I keep needing to send files around in Evil Empire format.

   In LaTeX, it is absolutely easy to create master documents that load all sorts of sub-documents.  For example, you have a form letter that you want to send to a bunch of people.  These people's names and addresses are stored as LaTeX files.  You create a Makefile to administer all this.

   Setting up the Makefile to print a letter to FredSmith and print an envelope to FredSmith as a separate operation is trivial.  Consider the following LaTeX code snippet.

% FredSmith.tex
% Data
\def\AddrName1{Fred}
\def\AddrName2{Smith}
\def\AddrStreet{123 Fourth Street, Apartment 56}
\def\AddrCity{Toronto}
\def\AddrProvince{Ontario}
\def\AddrPostalCode{M1A 2C3}
\def\AddrCountry{Canada}
%
% Assembled data
\def\AddrName{\AddrName1 \AddrName2}

   This is a database entry describing someone you can write letters to.  You can personalize the letter ("Dear Fred", Dear Mr. Smith", etc.).  You can create envelopes.  

   Have fun.

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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 02:32:54 2004
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:32:54 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
In-Reply-To: <1090947987.3053.33.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040728023254.GA9246@m450>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 01:06:28PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote
> Now running Mandrake10 and all is well.. almost!
> supermount has been good about mounting my USB-key drive, but leaves
> "removable", "removable2", "removable3" .etc on my desktop .. forever !
> These entries cannot be seen from ~/Desktop/ but are cluttering up
> /mnt/. They are owned by root, but root cannot delete them 
> (Cannot remove directory "/mnt/removable2" device or resource busy (16))

> I hesitate to swing the rm machete through /dev
> 
> any ideas what I might be doing wrong ?
> thanks again,

  As root, try the command...

fuser -v /mnt/removable

  This should list all processes accessing the drive.

fuser -kiv /mnt/removable

lists  all processes accessing the drive and prompts asking if you want
the process killed.  If you're *REALLY* brave/stupid...

fuser -kv /mnt/removable

(without the "i") won't prompt before killing the process.  Before
killing the process the first time, I suggest you get back to this list
and ask if the process is vital.  I.e., can it be killed without
screwing something up?

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 02:22:47 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:22:47 -0400
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: <1090960380.5460.7.camel-FKc/r1SiFoE@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
Message-ID: <20040728022247.GE14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 04:33:00PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> Am I right that xhosts (enabling XWindows access from remote computers)
> does not work with Fedora Core 1 (or, possibly, rather with the latest X
> servers)?

Well assuming you have the X server listening to TCP (not just unix
sockets), then xhost is one method (the least secure by far) of allowing
remote connections.  xauth transfer of the X authentication cookies is
better, with SSH X forwarding being by far the most secure.

If you know no one could be listening on your network, xhost and xauth
will be faster than ssh but less secure, with xhost the simplest to use.

Lennart Sorensen
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From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 03:37:12 2004
From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:37:12 -0400
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: <20040728022247.GE14878-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych> <20040728022247.GE14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20040728033711.GI28594@hatefulsheep.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>

On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 10:22:47PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> If you know no one could be listening on your network, xhost and xauth
> will be faster than ssh but less secure, with xhost the simplest to use.

FYI, on slow networks with fast computers, it can actually be FASTER
to use SSH, as it can compress the X stream.  I particularly find this
helps when doing X over a cablemodem connection.

ssh -C -X remotehost

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From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 03:07:59 2004
From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:07:59 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <1090973220.9106.100.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost> <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <1090973220.9106.100.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407272307.59920.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>

On July 27, 2004 08:07 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 18:35, Fred Nastos wrote:
> > > I've managed to get LaTeX to produce envelopes for me using the envlab
> > > package from Boris Veytsman with my letterhead class, and everything
> > > looks great except for one thing.  When I produce a PDF file to email,
> > > it includes the envelope as the second page!
> >
> > I didn't really understand this last bit.  Does the fact that you are
> > emailing the PDF have anything to do with your problem?
> >
> > How are you making your pdf?  ps2pdf, or pdflatex, or some
> > other method?  How does a postscript version look?
>
> The problem is that the pdf or ps file has both the letter and
> envelope.  Sending the pdf by email is thus not "a good thing" since I
> want whoever is on the receiving end to see only the letter itself, not
> the second page with the envelope.

I see.  I just took a brief look at envlab (looks useful).  I am
assuming you have a single .tex file which produces both
the letter and the envelope label, and that you envoke this
through \usepackage{envlab} and then \makelabels.  If that's
the case, then isn't the easiest solution to just comment out
the \makelabels command?

If you want to produce two separate output files.  One with
the letter and the other with the enevelope labels, then I think
the easiest way to do this is with a simple shell script.  Start
with the latex document for the letter which includes the
commands for only making the labels (see page 4, or
section 3.1.2 of the manual).  You should more or less have
this allready.  Run the latex command to produce the labels.
Then have a script that copies the file to a new tex file
but comments out the commands \makelabels, \startlabels
and \mlabel and then latex that file.  If you aren't in a rush and
provide a simple example file, I could quickly whip up the
script.

> > > In general, I have a few different documents in LaTeX that I'd like to
> > > split into several output files.  Is there an easy way to do this?
> >
> > If you want to split the resulting pdf/ps, it might be worth trying
> > pdftk: http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
> >
> > If you want to this from latex itself, I think you are only allowed
> > one \begin{document} and one \end{document} per document.
>
> I'd like to do this within LaTeX, if that's at all possible.  I know
> that I can break the ps file into multiple pages, but that's not quite
> what I'd like to do.

There are some workarounds, but they depend on the exact
task at hand.  There is an \include command that is quite
handy, but again it depends on the exact details.  You split
your document into separate files.  Then using \include{filename}
you insert whichever file you wish.  This is good for writing books
and other long documents because you don't have to process
the entire manuscript at once.

If you find better answers, please share.

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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 03:47:19 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:47:19 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
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Message-ID: <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Can someone help me out. I just did an xconfig to add a new module but I
did a "make dep" after xconfig. I meant to do a "make modules". Is there
a way to undo the "make dep"?
Thanks,
Jim

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 03:54:14 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:54:14 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: <1090986438.19628.0.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>	  <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <41072366.4090400@truxtar.com>

Hi Jim,

I assume you are talking about compiling a Linux kernel (from the
reference to xconfig and make dep).

You actually have to do a 'make dep' before you do 'make modules' or any
other operation, so you did the right thing :). Just go ahead with 'make
modules'.

For the record, you can just do a 'make clean' "undo" 'make dep' or any
other make. You can also use 'make mrproper' which will erase all
changes to the sources, including your 'make xconfig'.

jim ruxton wrote:
> Can someone help me out. I just did an xconfig to add a new module but I
> did a "make dep" after xconfig. I meant to do a "make modules". Is there
> a way to undo the "make dep"?
> Thanks,
> Jim
> 
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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 03:14:28 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:14:28 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
In-Reply-To: <1090849114.4105095ad508e-L/ZuoSt+y0q45YHtStHL6Q@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost>
	 <20040726132507.GB14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1090849114.4105095ad508e@mymail.yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <1090984468.9106.114.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 09:38, Hooman Baradaran wrote:
> I have to disagree. I'm using a Brother HL-1435 (cheaper than the replacement
> drum unit, yet really cool). It works flawlessly and the Linux desktop/server
> now acts as the print server for Windows machines too.
> The only thing is that I had to choose HL-1270 instead of HL-1430 (no driver for
> HL-1435 itself).
> You must Google and see what model you should be using instead.
> I did a quick search and the HL-6 is in fact PostScript. You just need to enable
>  it. This small thread might help.
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=stud.805444522%40winternet.com&rnum=13&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dlinux%2Bbrother%2Bhl-6%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26start%3D10%26sa%3DN

Alas the HL-6 requires an add-on module to do PS.  It works just find in
LaserJet IIP emulation, just the margins are annoying.

In any case, I've managed to recover an HP LaserJet 4L, so if anyone's
interested in a working laser printer with toner, let me know.

Cheers,

Kareem

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 02:33:39 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <410703FB.7000501-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>
	 <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>
	 <1090973220.9106.100.camel@localhost>  <410703FB.7000501@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <1090982019.9098.107.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 21:40, Stewart C. Russell wrote:
> Kareem Shehata wrote:
> > 
> > I'd like to do this within LaTeX, if that's at all possible.  I know
> > that I can break the ps file into multiple pages, but that's not quite
> > what I'd like to do.
> 
> from what I remember, TeX really only likes to create one formatted 
> output stream as part of the print job. You may have to use a dvi/ps/pdf 
> splitting tool for this to work.

Yea, I've pretty much resigned myself to using tricks with dvips in the
Makefile.  I don't like it because anything that isn't a one page letter
will break, but then I guess no abstration is perfect.

Thanks,

Kareem

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 06:01:30 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:01:30 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
In-Reply-To: <20040728023254.GA9246-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost>
	 <20040728023254.GA9246@m450>
Message-ID: <1090994490.2955.45.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 22:32, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   As root, try the command...
> 
> fuser -v /mnt/removable
>   This should list all processes accessing the drive.

Exciting, but there are no processes listed after this command!
and yet, immediately afterwards;
[root at localhost djp]# rmdir -v /mnt/removable3/
rmdir: removing directory, /mnt/removable3/
rmdir: `/mnt/removable3/': Device or resource busy

thanks for introducing me to fuser, though, this is a weird one ..
djp

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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 06:13:49 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:13:49 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: <41072366.4090400-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
	 
	 <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <41072366.4090400@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <1090995228.19719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks Anton
> Hi Jim,
> 
> I assume you are talking about compiling a Linux kernel (from the
> reference to xconfig and make dep).
Actually I only wanted to "make modules" not a new Kernel. I read
somewhere that "make dep" removes all the .a files. Anyway after I did
"make dep" I could no longer do a "make modules" without lots of errors.
I reinstalled the kernel sources and I think that fixed things. Are you
saying that I could have just typed "undo" instead of reinstalling the
sources?
Jim
> 
> You actually have to do a 'make dep' before you do 'make modules' or any
> other operation, so you did the right thing :). Just go ahead with 'make
> modules'.
> 
> For the record, you can just do a 'make clean' "undo" 'make dep' or any
> other make. You can also use 'make mrproper' which will erase all
> changes to the sources, including your 'make xconfig'.
> 
> jim ruxton wrote:
> > Can someone help me out. I just did an xconfig to add a new module but I
> > did a "make dep" after xconfig. I meant to do a "make modules". Is there
> > a way to undo the "make dep"?
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> > 
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From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 06:21:51 2004
From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:21:51 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: <1090995228.19719.9.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup> <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>  <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41072366.4090400@truxtar.com> <1090995228.19719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040728062151.GE29560@butters.WorkGroup>

Jim,
What kernel version and distribution are you running? I am running a
2.6.x kernel and don't every type 'make dep'. I `make menuconfig` and then
`make modules modules_install install`. If I just wanted a to compile a
modules I would `make modules modules_install`.

As it is I try not to use modules as much as I can, but that is my
preference.


On 02:13 Wed 28 Jul     , jim ruxton wrote:
> Thanks Anton
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > I assume you are talking about compiling a Linux kernel (from the
> > reference to xconfig and make dep).
> Actually I only wanted to "make modules" not a new Kernel. I read
> somewhere that "make dep" removes all the .a files. Anyway after I did
> "make dep" I could no longer do a "make modules" without lots of errors.
> I reinstalled the kernel sources and I think that fixed things. Are you
> saying that I could have just typed "undo" instead of reinstalling the
> sources?
> Jim
[snip]
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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 08:30:37 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:30:37 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: <20040728062151.GE29560-y6Pr2RmEDtOJK1hZEW34O3gSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
	 
	 <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <41072366.4090400@truxtar.com>
	 <1090995228.19719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <20040728062151.GE29560@butters.WorkGroup>
Message-ID: <1091003436.19719.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,
I typed "make dep" by mistake. I learned a lesson the hard way. I'm
using Fedora Core 1 with a low latency Kernel from planet ccrma.
Jim
> Jim,
> What kernel version and distribution are you running? I am running a
> 2.6.x kernel and don't every type 'make dep'. I `make menuconfig` and then
> `make modules modules_install install`. If I just wanted a to compile a
> modules I would `make modules modules_install`.
> 
> As it is I try not to use modules as much as I can, but that is my
> preference.
> 
> 
> On 02:13 Wed 28 Jul     , jim ruxton wrote:
> > Thanks Anton
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > 
> > > I assume you are talking about compiling a Linux kernel (from the
> > > reference to xconfig and make dep).
> > Actually I only wanted to "make modules" not a new Kernel. I read
> > somewhere that "make dep" removes all the .a files. Anyway after I did
> > "make dep" I could no longer do a "make modules" without lots of errors.
> > I reinstalled the kernel sources and I think that fixed things. Are you
> > saying that I could have just typed "undo" instead of reinstalling the
> > sources?
> > Jim
> [snip]
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 10:38:20 2004
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:38:20 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
In-Reply-To: <1090994490.2955.45.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost> <20040728023254.GA9246@m450> <1090994490.2955.45.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040728103820.GA9902@m450>

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 02:01:30AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote

> Exciting, but there are no processes listed after this command!
> and yet, immediately afterwards;
> [root at localhost djp]# rmdir -v /mnt/removable3/
> rmdir: removing directory, /mnt/removable3/
> rmdir: `/mnt/removable3/': Device or resource busy

  Shouldn't you

umount removable3

or whatever the drive is called, before removing the associated
directory?

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 11:38:46 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:38:46 -0400
Subject: Brother HL-6 Driver
In-Reply-To: <1090984468.9106.114.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090772846.9098.40.camel@localhost>
	 <20040726132507.GB14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
	 <1090849114.4105095ad508e@mymail.yorku.ca>
	 <1090984468.9106.114.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1091014726.9106.120.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 23:14, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> In any case, I've managed to recover an HP LaserJet 4L, so if anyone's
> interested in a working laser printer with toner, let me know.

I suppose I should clarify this.  The Brother HL-6 is now extra, so if
anyone is interested I'm looking to get rid of that one.

Kareem

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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 13:20:30 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:20:30 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
Message-ID: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>

I recently had a hardware problem that caused a week's downtime, and
when I first got up and running procmail was not set up, but fetchmail
was.  The result is that I have a few hundred messages in
/var/mail/$USER, none of which have been filtered through procmail,
spamassassin, or razor.  I want to run the whole spoolfile through
procmail, but I can't figure out how.

I was looking at formail, and tried things like "formail +1 -ds
procmail" and "formail -ds < /var/mail/$USER > procmail", but that
didn't work.  Does anyone know the syntax of this kind of thing?
Thanks.
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From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 13:54:50 2004
From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice)
Date: 28 Jul 2004 09:54:50 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: <20040728132030.GA684-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 

William O'Higgins  writes:
> I was looking at formail, and tried things like "formail +1 -ds
> procmail" and "formail -ds < /var/mail/$USER > procmail", but that
> didn't work.  Does anyone know the syntax of this kind of thing?

Have you looked at the examples in the formail manpage?  Read up on the -s
option.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 13:48:05 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:48:05 -0400
Subject: make dep error
In-Reply-To: <1090995228.19719.9.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>	 <1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>	 	 <1090986438.19628.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>	 <41072366.4090400@truxtar.com> <1090995228.19719.9.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4107AE95.1020009@truxtar.com>

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Hash: SHA1

Hi,

If you want to revert your sources to their default state, you can use
"make clean". If it still doesn't work, try a "make mrproper", but
beware that it will erase your configuration (so backup the .config file).

jim ruxton wrote:
> Actually I only wanted to "make modules" not a new Kernel. I read
> somewhere that "make dep" removes all the .a files. Anyway after I did
> "make dep" I could no longer do a "make modules" without lots of errors.
> I reinstalled the kernel sources and I think that fixed things. Are you
> saying that I could have just typed "undo" instead of reinstalling the
> sources?
> Jim

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From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 14:36:27 2004
From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:36:27 -0400
Subject: Looking for Motorola 6809 emulator
In-Reply-To: <20040620184050.B26097-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200406182133.35034.marc@lijour.net>
 <20040618230205.A21392@ee.ryerson.ca>
 <1087762634.8035.9.camel@pc.ve3syb.on.ca>
 <20040620184050.B26097@ee.ryerson.ca>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040621104839.02c33020@mail.interlog.com>

At 06:40 PM 06/20/2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
>These are the ones that I believe were originally developed at U of T for
>use in their classrooms. They are quite large, and I'll have to look for
>documentation.

The old Motorola development kits were also rather large. I modified my D2 
kit to use an '09 back in 1976 (or was it '78) so it says something about 
how long that processor has been around.

>We're now using a 68HC11 board that Jim and I developed, called the MPP
>Board. It's available as a kit and described on my company web page:

Thought it might have been the 68HC11 board. A few years ago when I was 
doing some work for CTTS on the top floor of the T building I saw a note 
about that board on the door of your office. I built one and have it 
running but haven't done much with it yet other than giving you some 
corrections to the manual.


Cheers!

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 12:42:33 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:42:33 -0400
Subject: OT: LaTeX and envelopes
In-Reply-To: <1090982019.9098.107.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090966923.9100.94.camel@localhost>	 <200407271835.41321.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca>	 <1090973220.9106.100.camel@localhost>  <410703FB.7000501@sympatico.ca> <1090982019.9098.107.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <41079F39.4060606@sympatico.ca>

Kareem Shehata wrote:
> 
> Yea, I've pretty much resigned myself to using tricks with dvips in the
> Makefile.  I don't like it because anything that isn't a one page letter
> will break, but then I guess no abstration is perfect.

It's been a while since I used it seriously, but I remember dvips output 
being easily parseable. At the very least, you should be able to tell 
which pages are letter content, and which are envelopes.

I used to [as recently as two years ago] hack PostScript for a living. 
If the files aren't huge or confidential, send me one, and I'll see what 
I can do.

cheers,
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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 14:41:07 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:41:07 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <20040728144107.GA1746@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:54:50AM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
>William O'Higgins  writes:
>> I was looking at formail, and tried things like "formail +1 -ds
>> procmail" and "formail -ds < /var/mail/$USER > procmail", but that
>> didn't work.  Does anyone know the syntax of this kind of thing?
>
>Have you looked at the examples in the formail manpage?  Read up on the -s
>option.

Yes, that's where the attempts above come from.  These recipies seem to
be based on getting processed via procmail, and I am trying to get an
mbox file *into* procmail.  I tried "cat /var/mail/$USER | formail -ds
procmail", but I get the same result - the command starts, but doesn't
do anything and needs to be Ctrl-C'd.  So, the problem remains - what
syntax is required to get the individual messages in my spool to be
processed by procmail?  Thanks again.
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From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 15:08:20 2004
From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:08:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: <20040728144107.GA1746-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> 
 <20040728144107.GA1746@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, William O'Higgins wrote:

> Yes, that's where the attempts above come from.  These recipies seem to
> be based on getting processed via procmail, and I am trying to get an
> mbox file *into* procmail.  I tried "cat /var/mail/$USER | formail -ds
> procmail", but I get the same result - the command starts, but doesn't
> do anything and needs to be Ctrl-C'd.  So, the problem remains - what

Sounds like a STDIN problem to me...

> syntax is required to get the individual messages in my spool to be
> processed by procmail?  Thanks again.

Here is a working example I put together a few months back:

cat ./inbox | formail -s procmail ~foouser/etc/procmail.incoming

No the username is not really foouser but I'm not handing out real
username info (even if the box is hidden behind several firewalls :)

Rob

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From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 16:17:39 2004
From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (jim ruxton)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:17:39 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
Message-ID: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles? 
Thanks,
Jim

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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 15:42:53 2004
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:42:53 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
In-Reply-To: <20040728103820.GA9902-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost>
	 <20040728023254.GA9246@m450> <1090994490.2955.45.camel@localhost>
	 <20040728103820.GA9902@m450>
Message-ID: <1091029373.2799.1.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 06:38, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   Shouldn't you
> 
> umount removable3
> 
> or whatever the drive is called, before removing the associated
> directory?

Makes sense, it tried it, I still couldn't rm /mnt/removable3.
same error; in use !
mysterious !
djp

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 15:49:22 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:49:22 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: <20040728132030.GA684-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200407281149.23100.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 28, 2004 09:20 am, William O'Higgins wrote:

> I recently had a hardware problem that caused a week's downtime, and
> when I first got up and running procmail was not set up, but fetchmail
> was.  The result is that I have a few hundred messages in
> /var/mail/$USER, none of which have been filtered through procmail,
> spamassassin, or razor.  I want to run the whole spoolfile through
> procmail, but I can't figure out how.

Presuming that your system is now correctly setup the easiest thing is 
probably to remail the mail.  From memory (so take care) the command would be 
something like this:

  formail -ds /usr/sbin/sendmail user at domain < /var/spoo/mail/user

Where user at domain is the local user's full email address 
and /var/spool/mail/user is their misplaced mailbox.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 16:49:05 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 28 Jul 2004 12:49:05 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
	
	<20040728144107.GA1746@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
	
Message-ID: 

Robert Brockway  writes:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, William O'Higgins wrote:
> 
> > Yes, that's where the attempts above come from.  These recipies seem to
> > be based on getting processed via procmail, and I am trying to get an
> > mbox file *into* procmail.  I tried "cat /var/mail/$USER | formail -ds
> > procmail", but I get the same result - the command starts, but doesn't
> > do anything and needs to be Ctrl-C'd.  So, the problem remains - what
> 
> Sounds like a STDIN problem to me...
> 
> > syntax is required to get the individual messages in my spool to be
> > processed by procmail?  Thanks again.
> 
> Here is a working example I put together a few months back:
> 
> cat ./inbox | formail -s procmail ~foouser/etc/procmail.incoming
> 
> No the username is not really foouser but I'm not handing out real
> username info (even if the box is hidden behind several firewalls :)

Congratulations!  You both win a useless use of cat award. :-) Instead of:

    cat file | command arg1 ...

you can always write:

    command arg1 ... < file

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with William's syntax.  There's no
requirement to specify an rc file with procmail, if you don't it will just
use your ~/.procmailrc.  In other words, William's syntax was equivalent to:

    formail -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc < /var/mail/$USER

Since it just sits there (and the syntax is okay), I would suspect a procmail
problem.  Do you have a procmail log?  What does it say?  Perhaps you do some
locking in your .procmailrc?  If you don't have a log file, add:

    LOGFILE=$HOME/procmail.log

to the top of your .procmailrc.

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 16:53:26 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:53:26 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091031459.5432.28.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1091033606.9100.148.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:17, jim ruxton wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles? 

I wouldn't worry about the store speaking Linux.  Most sales clerks I've
seen are useless in any language.  Better to get the info beforehand,
then get it where it's cheapest.

Alas, I haven't had the combination of time and money to grab one of
these, though I've heard it can be done.  I suppose the most important
thing is to make sure the chipset(s) are supported.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!  I'd love to use something less
noisy and prettier for my next box.

Kareem

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 16:25:57 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 28 Jul 2004 12:25:57 -0400
Subject: xhosts
In-Reply-To: <20040728022247.GE14878-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040724093218.GJ6959@butters.WorkGroup>
	<1090689245.2607.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<1090960380.5460.7.camel@zbych>
	<20040728022247.GE14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: 

lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

> On Tue, Jul 27, 2004 at 04:33:00PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote:
> > Am I right that xhosts (enabling XWindows access from remote computers)
> > does not work with Fedora Core 1 (or, possibly, rather with the latest X
> > servers)?
> 
> Well assuming you have the X server listening to TCP (not just unix
> sockets), then xhost is one method (the least secure by far) of allowing
> remote connections.  xauth transfer of the X authentication cookies is
> better, with SSH X forwarding being by far the most secure.
> 
> If you know no one could be listening on your network, xhost and xauth
> will be faster than ssh but less secure, with xhost the simplest to use.

If you're sharing home directories throughout your network, xauth will be the
easiest to use as it will normally "just work" out of the box.

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:25:03 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:25:03 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091031459.5432.28.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200407281325.03269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 28, 2004 12:17 pm, jim ruxton wrote:

> I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles?

If it's just a cube you're after then you could also build your own.  Antec 
for example makes a cube case that measures about 0.6 cu feet, it comes with 
a 300W power supply (usually excellent power supplies coming from Antec) and 
you add your own components (Micro-ATX mobo).

By building your own your less  likely to run into problems with 
replacing/adding things down the road.

Greytech in Markham (http://www.greytech.com/) sells the Antec cubes as do 
many others I'm sure.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 18:38:48 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:38:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
Message-ID: 


Hi all,

I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to 
compile a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff 
in turn depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency 
mismatches. I am new to debian and I am trying to do things otherwise than 
I would in Slackware (;-), so here is some data and a few questions which 
I hope you can answer:

Questions:

1. Given a package pkg1 needed, that causes a dependency list that 
requires pkg2, pkg3 etc to need to be updated before installing pkg1, is 
there a (safe) way to avoid this recursive installation ?

1a. If there is no safe way for 1) then how can I find the pkg1 that goes 
with pkg2, pkg3 etc, on which pkg1 depends.

2. In general, what is the best practice to keep a debian system happy, 
assuming that one does not want to ride the oldest horse in the stable 
(i.e. stable version)

Some data:

Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be 
installed
   libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be 
installed
                  Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.4.0-3) but it is not going 
to be installed
                  Depends: libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2) but it is not going 
to be installed

Some more questions:

What is the exact meaning of a line like:

'libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be installed'
(1)                       (2)             (3)         (4)

My take is that it means:

While trying to install (1), it was found that it depends on (2) but 
something or other (what ?) decided that (4) is to be installed instead of 
(3) first.

This take does not sound right to me. Please correct it if you can.

tia,
Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 05:26:24 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:26:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> 
 <20040728144107.GA1746@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
 
 
Message-ID: 


> Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with William's syntax.  There's no
> requirement to specify an rc file with procmail, if you don't it will just
> use your ~/.procmailrc.  In other words, William's syntax was equivalent to:
>
>    formail -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc < /var/mail/$USER

You CAN'T run that command, ever. procmail detects that someone else (bash 
through <) reads /var/mail/$USER and refuses to run as it should, waiting 
for bash to give up, i.e. forever. This will work (beware not tested as 
written !):

 	MBOX=/var/mail/$USER
 	cp /var/mail/$USER ~/tmp/mbox
 	/etc/init.d/mta stop
 	rm -f $MBOX; touch $MBOX; chown $USER mail $MBOX; chmod 660 $MBOX
 	/etc/init.d/mta start
 	formail +1 -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc <~/tmp/mbox

I used a very similar concept to recover mail from (ancient) archives. If 
your procmail recipe is set up right, then it will work.

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 05:19:06 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:19:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: <20040728132030.GA684-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, William O'Higgins wrote:

> I recently had a hardware problem that caused a week's downtime, and
> when I first got up and running procmail was not set up, but fetchmail
> was.  The result is that I have a few hundred messages in
> /var/mail/$USER, none of which have been filtered through procmail,
> spamassassin, or razor.  I want to run the whole spoolfile through
> procmail, but I can't figure out how.
>
> I was looking at formail, and tried things like "formail +1 -ds
> procmail" and "formail -ds < /var/mail/$USER > procmail", but that
> didn't work.  Does anyone know the syntax of this kind of thing?
> Thanks.

When called like this procmail uses ~/.procmailrc as recipe. Make sure you 
run the command as that user (the user who owns that mailbox and the 
.procmailrc). The command works fine, I tried it. Of course you first copy 
the mailbox file to another file, recreate the mailbox file empty, and 
then run the command. If you want to keep your sanity turn off the MTA and 
any MUA that might be open on that mailbox while you delete and recreate 
it. If you do not do this, then something might want to lock or write to 
the file and bad things will happen.

Peter
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From devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:18:14 2004
From: devin-Gq53QDLGkWIleAitJ8REmdBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Devin Whalen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:18:14 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091033606.9100.148.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1091033606.9100.148.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1091035094.28203.33.camel@192.168.1.80>

On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:53, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:17, jim ruxton wrote:
> > I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> > to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> > the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> > a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles? 
> 
> I wouldn't worry about the store speaking Linux.  Most sales clerks I've
> seen are useless in any language.  Better to get the info beforehand,
> then get it where it's cheapest.
> 
> Alas, I haven't had the combination of time and money to grab one of
> these, though I've heard it can be done.  I suppose the most important
> thing is to make sure the chipset(s) are supported.
> 
> Good luck, and let us know how it goes!  I'd love to use something less
> noisy and prettier for my next box.
> 
> Kareem

What is a Shuttle PC exactly?  Is this a brand name or some sort of form
factor?  I was looking on the web but couldn't only find pictures of the
pc and not an explanation of what they are.  At any rate the pics make
it look like the MiniQ pc that one of the guys has at work.  He runs
Mandrake on it quite fine.  I think he also had freeBSD on it.

Later


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From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:32:54 2004
From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:32:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <200407281325.03269.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407281325.03269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> Greytech in Markham (http://www.greytech.com/) sells the Antec cubes as do 
> many others I'm sure.

Sonnam (Spadina just above College) carries Antec cases, last I looked,
although I don't remember whether they've got these in particular.

                                                          Henry Spencer
                                                       henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org

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From wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:32:39 2004
From: wooik-sIZ5AmKAnwVWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (WK)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:32:39 -0400
Subject: traffic shaper
Message-ID: <4107E337.8070308@halfmind.com>

Does anyone familiar with the traffic shaper (shaper.deb in debian)?

here is my config file:
**********************
#cat /etc/shaper/cbq-1280.My_first_shaper
DEVICE=eth0,10Mbit,1Mbit
RATE=1280Kbit
WEIGHT=128Kbit
PRIO=1
RULE=192.168.50.5
**********************


here is the error message that I got when I start it:
**********************
#/etc/init.d/shaper start
Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or 
directory shaper.
**********************

Thx,
WK.
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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:00:38 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:00:38 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>  <20040728144107.GA1746@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>   
Message-ID: <20040729020038.GA4976@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 01:26:24AM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>>Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with William's syntax.  There's no
>>requirement to specify an rc file with procmail, if you don't it will just
>>use your ~/.procmailrc.  In other words, William's syntax was equivalent 
>>to:
>>
>>   formail -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc < /var/mail/$USER
>
>You CAN'T run that command, ever. procmail detects that someone else (bash 
>through <) reads /var/mail/$USER and refuses to run as it should, waiting 
>for bash to give up, i.e. forever. This will work (beware not tested as 
>written !):

Good to know - however, the command "formail -ds procmail <
/var/mail/$USER" did, in fact, work.  It took forever, because it
processed one file at a time (~72 minutes) but it worked.  The user who
owns all of the files at issue is the user running the command, so that
helps.

>	MBOX=/var/mail/$USER
>	cp /var/mail/$USER ~/tmp/mbox
>	/etc/init.d/mta stop
>	rm -f $MBOX; touch $MBOX; chown $USER mail $MBOX; chmod 660 $MBOX
>	/etc/init.d/mta start
>	formail +1 -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc <~/tmp/mbox
>
>I used a very similar concept to recover mail from (ancient) archives. If 
>your procmail recipe is set up right, then it will work.

Thanks to all who replied.  The lesson is, set up everything and make
sure it works before running fetchmail on several accounts that are long
dormant.
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William

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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:06:46 2004
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:06:46 -0400
Subject: unremovable drives
In-Reply-To: <1091029373.2799.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1090947987.3053.33.camel@localhost> <20040728023254.GA9246@m450> <1090994490.2955.45.camel@localhost> <20040728103820.GA9902@m450> <1091029373.2799.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040729020645.GA780@m450>

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:42:53AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote

> Makes sense, it tried it, I still couldn't rm /mnt/removable3.
> same error; in use !
> mysterious !

  OK, let's get some more diagnostics.  "lsof" is classified as a
"debugger" on some systems.  Try

lsof +d /mnt/removable/

and see what you get.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:16:05 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 28 Jul 2004 22:16:05 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Peter L. Peres"  writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to compile
> a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff in turn
> depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency
> mismatches.

Dependency mismatches in what sense?  Unless you're trying to build a .deb,
I'm not aware of any kind of dependency mechanism/toolset beyond the
traditional trial and error approach.  IOW, read the docs, install packages
you're sure are needed, run "configure" (or whatever), and resolve any
complaints by installing appropriate packages.

> I am new to debian and I am trying to do things otherwise than I
> would in Slackware (;-), so here is some data and a few questions which I
> hope you can answer:
> 
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Given a package pkg1 needed, that causes a dependency list that requires
> pkg2, pkg3 etc to need to be updated before installing pkg1, is there a
> (safe) way to avoid this recursive installation ?

    apt-get install pkg2 pkg3 ... 

will install pkg2, pkg3, and anything they depend on.

> 1a. If there is no safe way for 1) then how can I find the pkg1 that goes
> with pkg2, pkg3 etc, on which pkg1 depends.

Sorry, I don't follow this.

> 2. In general, what is the best practice to keep a debian system happy,
> assuming that one does not want to ride the oldest horse in the stable
> (i.e. stable version)

Upgrading to testing is probably the easiest approach right now.  And install
as much as possible using apt-get.  In general, you can only install "leaf"
packages from source.  IOW, if you want to install package a which requires
package b and package b requires package c, you can:

    apt-get install b

This will automatically pull in package c and you can then install package a
from source, if you so choose.  But if anything depends on package a or you
want to install something that depends on package a subsequently, you cannot
install it from source.

> Some data:
> 
> Reading Package Lists...
> Building Dependency Tree...
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>    libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be
>    installed
> 
>    libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be
>    installed
> 
>                   Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.4.0-3) but it is not going
>                   to be installed
> 
>                   Depends: libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2) but it is not going to
>                   be installed

What does:

    apt-get -s -t testing -f install

say?

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From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:32:54 2004
From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:32:54 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091035094.28203.33.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	 <1091033606.9100.148.camel@localhost>
	 <1091035094.28203.33.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <1091068374.9098.164.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 13:18, Devin Whalen wrote:
> What is a Shuttle PC exactly?  Is this a brand name or some sort of form
> factor?  I was looking on the web but couldn't only find pictures of the
> pc and not an explanation of what they are.  At any rate the pics make
> it look like the MiniQ pc that one of the guys has at work.  He runs
> Mandrake on it quite fine.  I think he also had freeBSD on it.

Shuttle is a make of very small form-factor PC's using ITX mobo's. 
Here's their site:
http://us.shuttle.com

You can find them at most computer retailers in the GTA.

Kareem

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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:39:27 2004
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:39:27 -0400
Subject: Looking for Motorola 6809 emulator
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040621104839.02c33020-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>; from kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org on Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 10:36:27AM -0400
References: <200406182133.35034.marc@lijour.net> <20040618230205.A21392@ee.ryerson.ca> <1087762634.8035.9.camel@pc.ve3syb.on.ca> <20040620184050.B26097@ee.ryerson.ca> <6.0.1.1.2.20040621104839.02c33020@mail.interlog.com>
Message-ID: <20040728223927.A18838@ee.ryerson.ca>


Kevin -

Ah, so you are in the elite group of MPP board owners ;). It's been a good
learning platform in EE for many years, but the time is coming when we
should update it. The built-in monitor is really useful, and a lot of
the modern parts don't come with a monitor.

I haven't forgotten about getting you one of the 6809 boards. The tech guys
are packing things up and they say that the boards are packaged and destined
for the new building, so I'll let you know when they surface.

I also saved one of the EE department D2 kits, which had been built into an
attache case. Hopefully some computer museum is interested in giving it a
home.

Cheers -
Peter


On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 10:36:27AM -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote:
> At 06:40 PM 06/20/2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote:
> >These are the ones that I believe were originally developed at U of T for
> >use in their classrooms. They are quite large, and I'll have to look for
> >documentation.
> 
> The old Motorola development kits were also rather large. I modified my D2 
> kit to use an '09 back in 1976 (or was it '78) so it says something about 
> how long that processor has been around.
> 
> >We're now using a 68HC11 board that Jim and I developed, called the MPP
> >Board. It's available as a kit and described on my company web page:
> 
> Thought it might have been the 68HC11 board. A few years ago when I was 
> doing some work for CTTS on the top floor of the T building I saw a note 
> about that board on the door of your office. I built one and have it 
> running but haven't done much with it yet other than giving you some 
> corrections to the manual.
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Kevin.  (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/)
> 
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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 02:52:50 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:52:50 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091035094.28203.33.camel-Q0ErXNX1RuZfoPjnVdcuGw@public.gmane.org> 
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1091033606.9100.148.camel@localhost> <1091035094.28203.33.camel@192.168.1.80>
Message-ID: <20040729025250.CFD5240EB@cbbrowne.com>

> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:53, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:17, jim ruxton wrote:
> > > I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> > > to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> > > the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> > > a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles? 
> > 
> > I wouldn't worry about the store speaking Linux.  Most sales clerks I've
> > seen are useless in any language.  Better to get the info beforehand,
> > then get it where it's cheapest.
> > 
> > Alas, I haven't had the combination of time and money to grab one of
> > these, though I've heard it can be done.  I suppose the most important
> > thing is to make sure the chipset(s) are supported.
> > 
> > Good luck, and let us know how it goes!  I'd love to use something less
> > noisy and prettier for my next box.
> > 
> > Kareem
> 
> What is a Shuttle PC exactly?  Is this a brand name or some sort of
> form factor?  I was looking on the web but couldn't only find pictures
> of the pc and not an explanation of what they are.  At any rate the
> pics make it look like the MiniQ pc that one of the guys has at work.
> He runs Mandrake on it quite fine.  I think he also had freeBSD on it.

Shuttle is a manufacturer...


The notable thing they build are relatively small form factor computers,
called XPC.  They're not minscule, but are sort of a "cubical" shape,
with practically everything integrated onto the XPC box.  Unsuitable for
doing anything high end; they're neither the cheapest thing you can get
nor the smallest.  It looks like a usable "luggable" computer...

OTA Computers at about College and Major carries numerous XPC models.
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From hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 03:00:00 2004
From: hooman-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Hooman Baradaran)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:00:00 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200407282300.01193.hooman@yorku.ca>

Are you installing the required packages via apt or individually?
I've never seen a packages that depends on more then one level of packages 
that are NOT in apt. And if such a thing exists they normally provide an apt 
source rather than individual packages.
Are you familiar with apt-get.org? It contains non-official apt sources that 
might help. A little slow though...

On July 28, 2004 02:38 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to
> compile a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff
> in turn depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency
> mismatches. I am new to debian and I am trying to do things otherwise than
> I would in Slackware (;-), so here is some data and a few questions which
> I hope you can answer:
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Given a package pkg1 needed, that causes a dependency list that
> requires pkg2, pkg3 etc to need to be updated before installing pkg1, is
> there a (safe) way to avoid this recursive installation ?
>
> 1a. If there is no safe way for 1) then how can I find the pkg1 that goes
> with pkg2, pkg3 etc, on which pkg1 depends.
>
> 2. In general, what is the best practice to keep a debian system happy,
> assuming that one does not want to ride the oldest horse in the stable
> (i.e. stable version)
>
> Some data:
>
> Reading Package Lists...
> Building Dependency Tree...
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>    libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be
> installed
>    libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be
> installed
>                   Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.4.0-3) but it is not going
> to be installed
>                   Depends: libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2) but it is not going
> to be installed
>
> Some more questions:
>
> What is the exact meaning of a line like:
>
> 'libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be
> installed' (1)                       (2)             (3)         (4)
>
> My take is that it means:
>
> While trying to install (1), it was found that it depends on (2) but
> something or other (what ?) decided that (4) is to be installed instead of
> (3) first.
>
> This take does not sound right to me. Please correct it if you can.
>
> tia,
> Peter
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From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 06:07:59 2004
From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 02:07:59 -0400
Subject: xml browser
In-Reply-To: <410148ED.7000704-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407231914.24140.jerome@gmanmi.tv> <1090586687.6589.2.camel@zbych> <410148ED.7000704@istop.com>
Message-ID: <200407290207.59716.marc@lijour.net>

Le July 23, 2004 01:20 pm, Zbigniew Koziol a ?crit :
> Background:
>
> CRM (Customer Relationship Management) by MS is a quite complex and ugly
> .NET  program. But interesting for me (everything new is interesting;)
> The version I work on (1.0) does not have good documentation available.
> MS has though documentation for version 1.2 but these both are quite
> different. There are however XML files related to DLLs, and these files
> describe functionality of libraries used by the software.
>
> Question:
>
> Is there a sort of tool around (sure, for Linux better) which could be
> used for creating let say a collection of HTML files from these XML
> ones, to make my reading easier? I am must admit quite new to xml.

Of course.
Use XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet Language  Transformation, if I'm right).

I suggest you use libxml which is open source and hosted by the Gnome project. 
The library is written in C. And the examples are very helpful! 

The other choice is to use Java libraries (Xalan?).

Transforming XML to HTML is basic. You should find everything online 
(tutorials I mean).
Also O'Reilly's "Java and XSLT" is a good beginner book (but annoying if you 
know more).

Before tackling XSLT you should master the basics of XML and XPATH.

XML (family) is fun and powerful.
Enjoy!

>
> zb.
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:53:39 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:53:39 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091031459.5432.28.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20040728175339.GA726@node1.opengeometry.net>

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 12:17:39PM -0400, jim ruxton wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles? 
> Thanks,

Only store I know is
    http://www.pccanada.com/ (Kipling & Lakeshore)

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:41:33 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:41:33 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:20:30AM -0400, William O'Higgins wrote:
> I recently had a hardware problem that caused a week's downtime, and
> when I first got up and running procmail was not set up, but fetchmail
> was.  The result is that I have a few hundred messages in
> /var/mail/$USER, none of which have been filtered through procmail,
> spamassassin, or razor.  I want to run the whole spoolfile through
> procmail, but I can't figure out how.
> 
> I was looking at formail, and tried things like "formail +1 -ds
> procmail" and "formail -ds < /var/mail/$USER > procmail", but that
> didn't work.  Does anyone know the syntax of this kind of thing?
> Thanks.

didn't work?  More description would help here.  
    mv /var/mail/user tmp
    formail -s procmail < tmp

Ref:
    man formail
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From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org  Wed Jul 28 17:24:16 2004
From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:24:16 -0400
Subject: Linux enabled Shuttle PC
In-Reply-To: <1091033606.9100.148.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <1091031459.5432.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1091033606.9100.148.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200407281324.16591.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca>

Why not try a 'Live Linux Distribution' like Knoppix or MandrakeMove
on any machine you want to try. It does not need or affect the hard
drive, and you can see in seconds whether everything will be recognized
by Linux

Duncan. 


On Wednesday 28 July 2004 12:53 pm, Kareem Shehata wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-07-28 at 12:17, jim ruxton wrote:
> > I was just wondering if anyone has put Linux on a Shuttle PC. I'd  like
> > to get one and was wondering if there are any gotchas. I'll probably get
> > the Pentium version hopefully with an Nvidia chip. Can anyone recommend
> > a store in TO where they speak Linux and sell Shuttles?
>
> I wouldn't worry about the store speaking Linux.  Most sales clerks I've
> seen are useless in any language.  Better to get the info beforehand,
> then get it where it's cheapest.
>
> Alas, I haven't had the combination of time and money to grab one of
> these, though I've heard it can be done.  I suppose the most important
> thing is to make sure the chipset(s) are supported.
>
> Good luck, and let us know how it goes!  I'd love to use something less
> noisy and prettier for my next box.
>
> Kareem
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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 13:00:38 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:00:38 -0400
Subject: Ximian Desktop?
Message-ID: <4108F4F6.6020100@295.ca>

Hi,

Does anyone here use Ximian Desktop? I've heard it is only compatible 
with Suse or Red Hat (not Fedora or others). I saw it at RealWorldLinux 
and was pretty impressed with it (especially for enticing friends over 
from M$).

Are they any pros/cons with Ximian Desktop?

Also, as I have no high-speed connection, how can I get the CD for it? 
I'd also need to pick up the CD's for Suse or Red Hat (probably Suse).

Thanks for any and all info!

-Steve.

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firefox|thunderbird

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From jason-2F8E0OLjuh154TAoqtyWWQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:20:03 2004
From: jason-2F8E0OLjuh154TAoqtyWWQ at public.gmane.org (Jason Slaughter)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:20:03 -0400
Subject: FS: NeXT NeXTStation
Message-ID: <200407291120.03879.jason@slaughter.com>

Hello TLUG,

I'm not sure if this is "allowed" on this list, so if it's not, I appologize. 
I just thought that this group might be interested:

I have a NeXT NeXTStation that I am selling. This unit is in excellent 
condition, and comes with the original 17" monochrome "MegaPixel Display."

I'm moving into a condo, and I just don't have room to keep it, but I'd like 
to make sure it goes to a good owner. I'd be happy if I could get $250 for 
it, but I am flexible. I would rather not ship this, as I don't want to risk 
destroying an excellent bit of computer history, so this is for pickup only 
from downtown Toronto.

Let me know if you're interested!

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From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:57:50 2004
From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:57:50 -0400
Subject: Getting perl to email via sendmail/postfix
Message-ID: <41091E7E.70100@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I want to use perl to send an email to a specific address when 
certain conditions occur. I know that I could to something along the 
lines of:

sysem '/path/to/sendmail email-Jbz+COfnBihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org < [file with message]

   Is this the best way to do it or is there a more intelligent way to 
talk to sendmail/postfix? Also, as a side question, if I started the 
file with the email in it like this:

Subject: 

<body>

   Would that set the subject line in the email? I hope that isn't a 
foolish question; my experience is drawn from using telnet to send 
emails manually. Is there a how-to or resource that I should read that 
you could point me to?

Thanks all!

Madison
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From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 16:06:30 2004
From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:06:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Getting perl to email via sendmail/postfix
In-Reply-To: <41091E7E.70100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <41091E7E.70100@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0407291205500.76756@pyyl.pair.com>

Hi Madison,

I highly recommend Mail::Sendmail instead of shelling out to the system.
Try

  perldoc Mail::Sendmail

for documentation.

Alex

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Madison Kelly wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>    I want to use perl to send an email to a specific address when
> certain conditions occur. I know that I could to something along the
> lines of:
>
> sysem '/path/to/sendmail email-Jbz+COfnBihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org < [file with message]
>
>    Is this the best way to do it or is there a more intelligent way to
> talk to sendmail/postfix? Also, as a side question, if I started the
> file with the email in it like this:
>
> Subject: <title>
>
> <body>
>
>    Would that set the subject line in the email? I hope that isn't a
> foolish question; my experience is drawn from using telnet to send
> emails manually. Is there a how-to or resource that I should read that
> you could point me to?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Madison
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From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 16:24:48 2004
From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:24:48 -0400
Subject: Getting perl to email via sendmail/postfix
In-Reply-To: <41091E7E.70100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <41091E7E.70100@alteeve.com>
Message-ID: <410924D0.1030000@alteeve.com>

A variation on this should do:


#Send Thankyou letter to User

#The location of sendmail
$sendmail = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t";

#Subject
$Subject="Thank you for Registering";

# Send the Message
open(SENDMAIL, "|$sendmail") or die "Cannot open $sendmail: $!";
  #Headers go here
  #
  print SENDMAIL "From: script\@someplace\n";
  print SENDMAIL "To: $Recipient\n";

  print SENDMAIL "Subject: $Subject\n";
# print SENDMAIL "Content-Type: multipart/mixed\; 
boundary=\"$boundary\"\n\n";
# print SENDMAIL "--$boundary\n";

  #The body of the e-mail goes here
  #
  print SENDMAIL "Content-Type: text/plain;\n\n";
  #print SENDMAIL "Content-Type: text/html;\n\n";

  print SENDMAIL "$Message\n";

  close(SENDMAIL);

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From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 17:39:18 2004
From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C.Russell)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:39:18 -0400
Subject: Getting perl to email via sendmail/postfix
Message-ID: <20040729173918.WYJI1916.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net>

Alex wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend Mail::Sendmail instead of 
> shelling out to the system.

Or better yet, MIME::Lite, which does a huge amount of work for you. A little example, from yours truly: <http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=207731>

 Stewart

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:19:49 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:

> What does:
>
>    apt-get -s -t testing -f install
>
> say?

Here goes (that was useful, thanks - why is it not in the debian (apt)):

Reading Package Lists...
Building Dependency Tree...
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
   libatk1.0-dev libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libpango1.0-0
   libpango1.0-common libpango1.0-dev
Suggested packages:
   libglib2.0-doc ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-thryomanes 
ttf-baekmuk
   ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
   ttf-arphic-bkai00mp libpango1.0-doc
The following packages will be REMOVED:
   libgtk2.0-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   libatk1.0-dev libpango1.0-dev
The following packages will be upgraded:
   libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libpango1.0-0 
libpango1.0-common
5 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 533 not upgraded.
2 not fully installed or removed.
Remv libgtk2.0-dev (2.4.4-1 ) [libatk1.0-0 ]
Inst libglib2.0-dev [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable) [libatk1.0-0 ]
Inst libglib2.0-data [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable) [libatk1.0-0 ]
Inst libglib2.0-0 [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
Inst libatk1.0-dev (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
Inst libpango1.0-common [1.2.5-5] (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable) []
Inst libpango1.0-0 [1.2.5-5] (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
Inst libpango1.0-dev (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
Conf libglib2.0-0 (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
Conf libglib2.0-dev (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
Conf libglib2.0-data (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
Conf libatk1.0-0 (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
Conf libatk1.0-dev (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
Conf libpango1.0-0 (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
Conf libpango1.0-common (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
Conf libpango1.0-dev (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:11:53 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:11:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Hooman Baradaran wrote:

> Are you installing the required packages via apt or individually? I've 
> never seen a packages that depends on more then one level of packages 
> that are NOT in apt. And if such a thing exists they normally provide an 
> apt source rather than individual packages. Are you familiar with 
> apt-get.org? It contains non-official apt sources that might help. A 
> little slow though...

I did not know about apt-get.org . I will check this out.

I want to compile a package that exists as source only and it seems to 
need a lot of libraries. These are, specifically:

- I have determined the missing packages by collecting the missing headers 
from a failed makefile. These are:

atk.h
atkobject.h
gdkconfig.h
glib-object.h
gspawn.h
pango-font.h
pango.h
raw1394.h

- then using the apt tools I determined that these headers come from the 
following debian packages:

libglib2.0-dev
libpango1-ruby
libraw1394-dev

- then I tried to apt-get them but upon attempted install the error 
messages I attached to the previous email appeared instead, and none 
installed. It appears that they, in turn, depend on other packages. These 
need to update existing packages on my system. I would like to avoid that.

To rephrase my questions: given I have libpkg-xyz-111 installed how do I 
locate its corresponding libpkg-xyz-111-dev ? I.e. what goes with what ? 
Remember I am on a modem internet connection.

Peter

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:33:27 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:

> What does:
>
>    apt-get -s -t testing -f install

when I run this w/o the -s and with proper package names it gives the same 
errors I posted in my first message.

what does a line like:

libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be installed

mean ?

It seems to mean that libglib2.0-dev depends on libglib2.0-0/2.4.2-1

When I try to run it as is it says it wants to d/l 360MB of archives. I 
won't go there with this modem.

HOW does one get a devel package that matches an existing library set ?

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 15:13:38 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:

> "Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to compile
>> a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff in turn
>> depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency
>> mismatches.
>
> Dependency mismatches in what sense?  Unless you're trying to build a .deb,
> I'm not aware of any kind of dependency mechanism/toolset beyond the
> traditional trial and error approach.  IOW, read the docs, install packages
> you're sure are needed, run "configure" (or whatever), and resolve any
> complaints by installing appropriate packages.

Thanks for answering. I mostly did what you suggest but the installation 
of some development libs requires that I upgrade major (major major) 
libraries on my system. So I'd like to get the devel libs that go with the 
existing libs, so they will not be upgraded. I.e. what devel package goes 
with what lib etc.

Peter
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 19:30:40 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 15:30:40 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407290121410.1361-Ci2SjaSQDSULvMNHDqYZmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20040728132030.GA684@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org>
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> > Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with William's syntax.  There's no
> > requirement to specify an rc file with procmail, if you don't it will just
> > use your ~/.procmailrc.  In other words, William's syntax was equivalent to:
> >
> >    formail -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc < /var/mail/$USER
> 
> You CAN'T run that command, ever.

Did you try it?  I did:

    tim at newsol% grep '^From ' /var/mail/$USER
    From XXX  Thu Jul 29 14:46:15 2004
    tim at newsol% cp /var/mail/$USER mbox.bak
    tim at newsol% formail -ds procmail ~/.procmailrc < /var/mail/$USER
    tim at newsol% tail -3 ~/.procmail/log
    From XXX  Thu Jul 29 14:46:15 2004
     Subject: XXX
      Folder: /var/spool/mail/tim
    tim at newsol% grep '^From ' /var/mail/$USER
    From XXX  Thu Jul 29 14:46:15 2004
    From XXX  Thu Jul 29 14:46:15 2004

So, I had a single mail in my mail spool.  I ran formail which ran procmail
which happily delivered that mail back to my spool (cuz it wasn't filtered
into another mailbox).  As a result, I now have two copies of that mail in my
spool.

> procmail detects that someone else (bash
> through <) reads /var/mail/$USER and refuses to run as it should, waiting for
> bash to give up, i.e. forever.

I'm not sure how procmail would detect that.  Linux has no general mechanism
for one process to determine if another process has a file open.  That's why
tools like lsof have to grovel through /proc, /dev/kmem, etc.  I doubt
procmail does that.

I'll concede that the command I gave is unsafe as procmail's default rule
will deliver mail back to your mail spool, resulting in duplicated mail, and
conceivable putting formail and procmail into an infinite loop (until all the
space in /var/mail is consumed).  This won't happen (duplicated e-mail or the
infinite loop) if you have a catchall rule in your .procmailrc so that
procmail always delivers to a folder and never back to your spool.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 19:35:07 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 15:35:07 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
> 
> > What does:
> >
> >    apt-get -s -t testing -f install
> >
> > say?
> 
> Here goes (that was useful, thanks - why is it not in the debian (apt)):
> 
> Reading Package Lists...
> Building Dependency Tree...
> Correcting dependencies... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>    libatk1.0-dev libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libpango1.0-0
>    libpango1.0-common libpango1.0-dev
> Suggested packages:
>    libglib2.0-doc ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk
> 
>    ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
>    ttf-arphic-bkai00mp libpango1.0-doc
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>    libgtk2.0-dev
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>    libatk1.0-dev libpango1.0-dev
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>    libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-dev libpango1.0-0
> 
> libpango1.0-common
> 5 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 533 not upgraded.
> 2 not fully installed or removed.
> Remv libgtk2.0-dev (2.4.4-1 ) [libatk1.0-0 ]
> Inst libglib2.0-dev [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable) [libatk1.0-0 ]
> Inst libglib2.0-data [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable) [libatk1.0-0 ]
> Inst libglib2.0-0 [2.2.3-1] (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
> Inst libatk1.0-dev (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
> Inst libpango1.0-common [1.2.5-5] (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable) []
> Inst libpango1.0-0 [1.2.5-5] (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
> Inst libpango1.0-dev (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libglib2.0-0 (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libglib2.0-dev (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libglib2.0-data (2.4.2-1 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libatk1.0-0 (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libatk1.0-dev (1.6.1-2 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libpango1.0-0 (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libpango1.0-common (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)
> Conf libpango1.0-dev (1.4.0-4 Debian:unstable)

That looks like it's going to fix it although it is bringing in a lot of
libraries from unstable which may make you uncomfortable.


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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 19:36:41 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 15:36:41 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
> 
> > "Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to compile
> >> a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff in turn
> >> depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency
> >> mismatches.
> >
> > Dependency mismatches in what sense?  Unless you're trying to build a .deb,
> > I'm not aware of any kind of dependency mechanism/toolset beyond the
> > traditional trial and error approach.  IOW, read the docs, install packages
> > you're sure are needed, run "configure" (or whatever), and resolve any
> > complaints by installing appropriate packages.
> 
> Thanks for answering. I mostly did what you suggest but the installation of
> some development libs requires that I upgrade major (major major) libraries
> on my system. So I'd like to get the devel libs that go with the existing
> libs, so they will not be upgraded. I.e. what devel package goes with what
> lib etc.

I didn't see anything that looked that major, although I don't use GNOME so I
generally don't worry too much about GNOME upgrades.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 19:51:24 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 15:51:24 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
> 
> > What does:
> >
> >    apt-get -s -t testing -f install
> 
> when I run this w/o the -s and with proper package names it gives the same
> errors I posted in my first message.
> 
> 
> what does a line like:
> 
> libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be installed
> 
> mean ?

It means that libglib2.0-dev depends on libglib2.0-0 v. 2.4.2-1 but the
latest it can find is 2.2.3-1.  Note that "-t testing" raises the priority of
the testing distribution so that apt-get will consider packages from testing
in addition to stable.  I would guess that 2.4.2-1 is in unstable so you
would have to run:

    apt-get -t unstable -f install

You might be able to get fewer packages from unstable by using this sequence
of commands:

    apt-get -t unstable install libglib2.0-0
    apt-get -t testing -f install

IOW, install the "offending" package from unstable then try to get everything
else from testing.

[snip]

> HOW does one get a devel package that matches an existing library set ?

I believe, when you run:

    apt-get install libglib2.0-dev

it will select the lowest version that satisfies your priorities per your
/etc/apt/preferences.  For example, mine looks like this:

    X-comment: ==================== Track stable
    Package: *
    Pin: release a=stable
    Pin-Priority: 500

    X-comment: ==================== Make testing available (for manual selection)
    Package: *
    Pin: release a=testing
    Pin-Priority: 70

    X-comment: ==================== Make unstable available (for manual selection)
    Package: *
    Pin: release a=unstable
    Pin-Priority: 50

For me then:

    apt-get install libglib2.0-dev

is equivalent to:

    apt-get install libglib2.0-dev=2.0.1-2

cuz that's what's in stable.

In your case, things are a little complicated because, as I understand it,
you've already installed something that has a broken dependency.
Consequently, apt-get may need to install a newer version of libglib2.0-dev
to satisfy your broken dependency.

HTH,

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 17:42:37 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:

> Did you try it?  I did:
>
>    tim at newsol% grep '^From ' /var/mail/$USER
>
> So, I had a single mail in my mail spool.  I ran formail which ran procmail
> which happily delivered that mail back to my spool (cuz it wasn't filtered
> into another mailbox).  As a result, I now have two copies of that mail in my
> spool.

Yes, but if all things are unfavorable you can end up with a mail loop 
that will run until the disk is full. I *know* this ;-(

>> procmail detects that someone else (bash
>> through <) reads /var/mail/$USER and refuses to run as it should, waiting for
>> bash to give up, i.e. forever.
>
> I'm not sure how procmail would detect that.  Linux has no general mechanism
> for one process to determine if another process has a file open.  That's why
> tools like lsof have to grovel through /proc, /dev/kmem, etc.  I doubt
> procmail does that.

It depends on how the formail (if it is allowed to read the mailbox 
itself) and procmail are compiled. Mailbox locks come in about three 
flavors: lockfiles, kernel advisory locks and the stat count. this latter 
one should always be used as a last resort (I am quoting old books from 
memory - beware). Basically the writer process opens the file with flags 
A+ (append) and then stats the file. If the link count is not 1 (for 
itself), then the process either waits for the count to become 1 or 
aborts. If all write processes do this then the file should be safe.

> I'll concede that the command I gave is unsafe as procmail's default rule
> will deliver mail back to your mail spool, resulting in duplicated mail, and
> conceivable putting formail and procmail into an infinite loop (until all the
> space in /var/mail is consumed).  This won't happen (duplicated e-mail or the
> infinite loop) if you have a catchall rule in your .procmailrc so that
> procmail always delivers to a folder and never back to your spool.

Unless there is a pipe command in the recipe that causes remailing, 
possibly to another alias address, which then is also aliased and the 
mail comes right back ...

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 17:45:05 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:45:05 -0400 (EDT)
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:

> That looks like it's going to fix it although it is bringing in a lot of
> libraries from unstable which may make you uncomfortable.

I forced all of them after reading on the incompatibility issues. 
Unconfortable ? If my mail headers in the next emails will be different 
(from another machine) then you'll know I am unconfortable.

debian was supposed to be easy ? Give me slackware any day or night.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 20:17:53 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:17:53 -0400
Subject: xml browser
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Marc Lijour wrote:
> Le July 23, 2004 01:20 pm, Zbigniew Koziol a ?crit :
>
>>Background:
>>
>>CRM (Customer Relationship Management) by MS is a quite complex and ugly
>>.NET  program. But interesting for me (everything new is interesting;)
>>The version I work on (1.0) does not have good documentation available.
>>MS has though documentation for version 1.2 but these both are quite
>>different. There are however XML files related to DLLs, and these files
>>describe functionality of libraries used by the software.
>>
>>Question:
>>
>>Is there a sort of tool around (sure, for Linux better) which could be
>>used for creating let say a collection of HTML files from these XML
>>ones, to make my reading easier? I am must admit quite new to xml.
>
>
> Of course.
> Use XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet Language  Transformation, if I'm right).

Yes, XSLT will probably be the easiest. It shouldn't be difficult to
write an XSLT stylesheet to extract the relevant information (it may not
be pretty, but readable). Look around and see if you can find a
stylesheet for the XML files; that would be good.

If you can't find a pre-made stylesheet on the web, take a look at the
XML files, and figure out which tags mean what (heading, etc.). Then
read <http://www.ibiblio.org/xml/books/bible2/chapters/ch17.htm> which
is a sample chapter from "The XML Bible 2nd edition". This chapter has
everything you need to know about writing XSLT.

Finally, get a program such as "xsltproc", and use it to apply the
stylesheet to the XML document. For example:

$ xsltproc -o file.html stylesheet.xsl file.xml

My 2c.

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 18:46:05 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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Ok, dpkg hosed the installation. It has nothing to do with my packages, 
which are now installed, and I can almost compile. dpkg has cleverly 
removed most kde components, including konqueror. I wish I could 
understand what caused it to remove all those packages ?!!!

In general apt-get does not understand packages installed with dpkg -i 
(why not ?).

I am giving up on this distro for now.

tahnks to all,
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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 21:17:03 2004
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:17:03 -0400
Subject: Spell Checking Document
Message-ID: <20040729171703.A27259@ee.ryerson.ca>


I have been required recently to spell-check a large LaTeX manuscript. As
part of the process of figuring out how to use ispell and its friends, I
decided to write a brief document on spell-checking under Linux.

I am interested in an comments or (especially) corrections, both on the
issue of spell-checking and the shell scripts. The shell scripts are
*really* primitive. My philosophy is to write a script that is as simple as
possible at the expense of generality, with the idea that the script can be
modified to serve different purposes.

http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock/papers/using-ispell.pdf

Peter

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 21:21:49 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:21:49 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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It's not that apt-get doesn't work with dpkg. dpkg is just a low-level
that allows you to break the dependency rules. apt-get on the other hand
does not allow it, and tries to "fix" things by satisfying the
dependencies. Sometimes this means it tries to uninstall one library,
which then uninstalls another package that depends on it, etc. It is
usually best to manually (using dpkg for example) undo whatever action
caused the problem in the first place.

Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
> Ok, dpkg hosed the installation. It has nothing to do with my packages,
> which are now installed, and I can almost compile. dpkg has cleverly
> removed most kde components, including konqueror. I wish I could
> understand what caused it to remove all those packages ?!!!
>
> In general apt-get does not understand packages installed with dpkg -i
> (why not ?).
>
> I am giving up on this distro for now.

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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 21:52:18 2004
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:52:18 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 01:42:37PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>
>On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
>
>>Did you try it?  I did:
>>
>>   tim at newsol% grep '^From ' /var/mail/$USER
>>
>>So, I had a single mail in my mail spool.  I ran formail which ran procmail
>>which happily delivered that mail back to my spool (cuz it wasn't filtered
>>into another mailbox).  As a result, I now have two copies of that mail in 
>>my
>>spool.
>
>Yes, but if all things are unfavorable you can end up with a mail loop 
>that will run until the disk is full. I *know* this ;-(

Ah, I see now why you warned against using the command suggested.
Happily, we find this:

:0:
*
inbox

at the end of my .procmailrc.  So that sorts that out, but I appreciate
the further explanation and the lively and informative discussion.
-- 

yours,

William

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 21:52:22 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:52:22 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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Hi Peter,

It looks like you used "dpkg -i" or something similar to install an
unstable version of libglib2.0-dev. apt-get is now trying to satisfy all
of it's dependancies (which happen to be from unstable). If this is the
case, your best bet is to try "dpkg -P libglib2.0-dev". Then try
"apt-get -s -f install" and see what else apt wants. Hopefully it should
say everything is fine. Then you can do "apt-get install
libglib2.0-dev/stable" (if you are running "stable", that is).

Sorry to hear that you are giving up on Debian. Having switched from
Slackware several years ago (->Redhat->Debian), I know dependencies can
be frustrating at times. But they make things easier in the long run.

Give it another chance. (Even if it did uninstall most of your KDE,
after fixing your current problem you can just do apt-get install KDE,
and everything should be back to normal :). If you have your Debian CDs,
you shouldn't have to download anything.)

More explanation:

I believe your problem is due to trying to install an "unstable" or
"testing" package on a "stable" Debian system (that is what you are
using, correct?). Although you have correctly determined that you need,
for example, libglib2.0-dev, do you really need the "unstable" version?
Check which version the source package needs (if the info is available)
and install the next-lowest version available (i.e. stable or testing).

You probably also have some "unstable" package lists specified in your
/etc/apt/sources.list file. You should either remove those lines, or
follow Tim Writer's suggestion about /etc/apt/preferences (quoted
below). That way when you try to install something, it will install the
"stable" version, so you will have to install as few additional packages
as possible.

Tim Writer wrote:
> it will select the lowest version that satisfies your priorities per your
> /etc/apt/preferences.  For example, mine looks like this:
>
>     X-comment: ==================== Track stable
>     Package: *
>     Pin: release a=stable
>     Pin-Priority: 500
>
>     X-comment: ==================== Make testing available (for manual
selection)
>     Package: *
>     Pin: release a=testing
>     Pin-Priority: 70
>
>     X-comment: ==================== Make unstable available (for
manual selection)
>     Package: *
>     Pin: release a=unstable
>     Pin-Priority: 50

More below...

Peter L. Peres wrote:
> - then using the apt tools I determined that these headers come from the
> following debian packages:
>
> libglib2.0-dev
> libpango1-ruby
> libraw1394-dev
>
> - then I tried to apt-get them but upon attempted install the error
> messages I attached to the previous email appeared instead, and none
> installed. It appears that they, in turn, depend on other packages.
> These need to update existing packages on my system. I would like to
> avoid that.

The dependencies are there to make sure that if you install a package,
it has everything it needs to work. As long as you don't fight the
system, and don't do things like manually forcing packages to install
via "dpkg -i", it works well.

> To rephrase my questions: given I have libpkg-xyz-111 installed how do I
> locate its corresponding libpkg-xyz-111-dev ? I.e. what goes with what ?
> Remember I am on a modem internet connection.

Version numbers are usually not part of the package name. It is only in
cases like libglib2.0 where there is a large functionality difference
between the versions, that the package includes the version.

But that shouldn't really matter. If you are looking for the -dev
package, just add -dev to the package name. So you have correctly
determined that libglib2.0-dev is the development headers package for
libglib2.0.


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From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 22:49:59 2004
From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: pppoe TIME OUT on Sympatico SpeedDream modem.
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Hi, 

I was running pppoe with a DSL modem for years. I am
using pppoe 3.5. I just changed the modem and ISP to
sympatico. I changed chap-secrets and pap-secrets and
pppoe.conf and DNS to 204.101.251.1 and 2. I used
b1xxxxx-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org and the password. It just keep
time out.

I ifconfiged eth1 with 0.0.0.0. I can login into
sympatico with my email frank.peng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org, but
not b1xxxxxx. Should I use frank.peng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org to
put into chap-secrets ....

Some one please tell me the trick.

Thanks.




	
		
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 23:12:16 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 19:12:16 -0400
Subject: running procmail on the contents of /var/mail/$USER
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
> 
> > Did you try it?  I did:
> >
> >    tim at newsol% grep '^From ' /var/mail/$USER
> >
> > So, I had a single mail in my mail spool.  I ran formail which ran procmail
> > which happily delivered that mail back to my spool (cuz it wasn't filtered
> > into another mailbox).  As a result, I now have two copies of that mail in my
> > spool.
> 
> Yes, but if all things are unfavorable you can end up with a mail loop that
> will run until the disk is full. I *know* this ;-(

Agreed.

> >> procmail detects that someone else (bash
> >> through <) reads /var/mail/$USER and refuses to run as it should, waiting for
> >> bash to give up, i.e. forever.
> >
> > I'm not sure how procmail would detect that.  Linux has no general mechanism
> > for one process to determine if another process has a file open.  That's why
> > tools like lsof have to grovel through /proc, /dev/kmem, etc.  I doubt
> > procmail does that.
> 
> It depends on how the formail (if it is allowed to read the mailbox itself)
> and procmail are compiled. Mailbox locks come in about three flavors:
> lockfiles, kernel advisory locks and the stat count. this latter one should
> always be used as a last resort (I am quoting old books from memory -
> beware). Basically the writer process opens the file with flags A+ (append)
> and then stats the file. If the link count is not 1 (for itself), then the
> process either waits for the count to become 1 or aborts. If all write
> processes do this then the file should be safe.

Yep, but bash not formail opened the mail spool via I/O redirection.  Formail
is just reading from stdin.  Procmail may do some locking when it writes to
the spool but I don't think formail does and I'm sure bash doesn't.

All fine except that, in this case, it's bash (or $SHELL) that has opened the
spool file for reading via I/O redirection.  Formail is simply reading from
stdin and so, as far as I am aware, cannot lock it in a way that procmail
would be aware of the lock.

> > I'll concede that the command I gave is unsafe as procmail's default rule
> > will deliver mail back to your mail spool, resulting in duplicated mail, and
> > conceivable putting formail and procmail into an infinite loop (until all the
> > space in /var/mail is consumed).  This won't happen (duplicated e-mail or the
> > infinite loop) if you have a catchall rule in your .procmailrc so that
> > procmail always delivers to a folder and never back to your spool.
> 
> Unless there is a pipe command in the recipe that causes remailing, possibly
> to another alias address, which then is also aliased and the mail comes right
> back ...

Good point.  The bottom line is it's safest to move (not copy) the contents
of the your mail spool before processing it with formail/procmail.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 23:18:07 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 29 Jul 2004 19:18:07 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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"Peter L. Peres" <plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Tim Writer wrote:
> 
> > That looks like it's going to fix it although it is bringing in a lot of
> > libraries from unstable which may make you uncomfortable.
> 
> I forced all of them after reading on the incompatibility
> issues. Unconfortable ? If my mail headers in the next emails will be
> different (from another machine) then you'll know I am unconfortable.
> 
> 
> debian was supposed to be easy ? Give me slackware any day or night.

I don't think any distribution has solved the dependency problem completely
yet.  Debian is easy if you stick with stable, unfortunately that means you
can't take advantage of recent developments.  It's also decent if you stick
with testing, at least that's my experience so far.  Mixing and matching
stable, testing, and unstable is possible but it can be difficult to resolve
dependency issues at times.

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From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 00:30:34 2004
From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:30:34 -0400
Subject: xml browser
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Le July 29, 2004 04:17 pm, Anton Markov a ?crit :
> Marc Lijour wrote:
> > Le July 23, 2004 01:20 pm, Zbigniew Koziol a ?crit :
> >>Background:
> >>
> >>CRM (Customer Relationship Management) by MS is a quite complex and ugly
> >>.NET  program. But interesting for me (everything new is interesting;)
> >>The version I work on (1.0) does not have good documentation available.
> >>MS has though documentation for version 1.2 but these both are quite
> >>different. There are however XML files related to DLLs, and these files
> >>describe functionality of libraries used by the software.
> >>
> >>Question:
> >>
> >>Is there a sort of tool around (sure, for Linux better) which could be
> >>used for creating let say a collection of HTML files from these XML
> >>ones, to make my reading easier? I am must admit quite new to xml.
> >
> > Of course.
> > Use XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet Language  Transformation, if I'm right).
>
> Yes, XSLT will probably be the easiest. It shouldn't be difficult to
> write an XSLT stylesheet to extract the relevant information (it may not
> be pretty, but readable). Look around and see if you can find a
> stylesheet for the XML files; that would be good.

I have just seen, while browsing in the bookshops, 2 O'Reilly books with good 
material about XML->HTML transformation using XSLT:
- XSLT
- XSLT cookbook


> If you can't find a pre-made stylesheet on the web, take a look at the
> XML files, and figure out which tags mean what (heading, etc.). Then
> read <http://www.ibiblio.org/xml/books/bible2/chapters/ch17.htm> which
> is a sample chapter from "The XML Bible 2nd edition". This chapter has
> everything you need to know about writing XSLT.
>
> Finally, get a program such as "xsltproc", and use it to apply the
> stylesheet to the XML document. For example:
>
> $ xsltproc -o file.html stylesheet.xsl file.xml

xsltproc and libxml2 in general are great tool, and faster than the Java 
counterparts.

> My 2c.
>
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 00:43:30 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:43:30 -0400
Subject: traffic shaper
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WK wrote:

>
> Starting CBQ traffic shaping: RTNETLINK answers: No such file or 
> directory shaper.
> **********************

Just in case: is your kernel compiled with CONFIG_RTNETLINK?

Gilles
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 00:56:34 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:56:34 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 02:38:48PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> I am stuck again by the debian (in)dependency problem. I am trying to 
> compile a non-deb package that depends on a lot of stuff, but said stuff 
> in turn depends on other things, and there is a large amount of dependency 
> mismatches. I am new to debian and I am trying to do things otherwise than 
> I would in Slackware (;-), so here is some data and a few questions which 
> I hope you can answer:
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Given a package pkg1 needed, that causes a dependency list that 
> requires pkg2, pkg3 etc to need to be updated before installing pkg1, is 
> there a (safe) way to avoid this recursive installation ?
> 
> 1a. If there is no safe way for 1) then how can I find the pkg1 that goes 
> with pkg2, pkg3 etc, on which pkg1 depends.
> 
> 2. In general, what is the best practice to keep a debian system happy, 
> assuming that one does not want to ride the oldest horse in the stable 
> (i.e. stable version)
> 
> Some data:
> 
> Reading Package Lists...
> Building Dependency Tree...
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.2-1) but 2.2.3-1 is to be 
> installed
>   libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be 
> installed
>                  Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.4.0-3) but it is not going 
> to be installed
>                  Depends: libatk1.0-dev (>= 1.6.1-2) but it is not going 
> to be installed
> 
> Some more questions:
> 
> What is the exact meaning of a line like:
> 
> 'libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.4.4-1) but 2.2.4-6 is to be 
> installed'
> (1)                       (2)             (3)         (4)

This means that something you are trying to install wants libgtk2.0-0
version 2.4.4-1, but the only version available (or that is going to be
on the system due to other dependancies on the package) is version
2.2.4-6, so it won't install libgtk2.0-dev that you requested.

The solution is to find out if libgtk2.0-0 version 2.4.4-1 can be
installed (is it available or not, does something else prevent it from
being upgraded?)

This usually happens when you install packages from unstable on testing
(or even worse, stable) and don't install everything that relates to it
from the same version.

Try:
apt-get install libgtk2.0-0, and see what version it thinks could be
upgraded too, and if anything else is preventing that upgrade.

Sometimes a package just didn't pass upload checks yet for unstable
which causes a few days of nightmares trying to do an upgrade. :)

> My take is that it means:
> 
> While trying to install (1), it was found that it depends on (2) but 
> something or other (what ?) decided that (4) is to be installed instead of 
> (3) first.

Usually that (4) is already installed and required by something, or (4)
is already installed and (3) does not actually exist in the archives yet.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 00:58:45 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:58:45 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291343460.2655-Ci2SjaSQDSULvMNHDqYZmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407281427250.16049@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <ltzn5jh82i.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291114480.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <lt3c3abo9g.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291343460.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet>
Message-ID: <20040730005845.GG14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 01:45:05PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> I forced all of them after reading on the incompatibility issues. 
> Unconfortable ? If my mail headers in the next emails will be different 
> (from another machine) then you'll know I am unconfortable.
> 
> debian was supposed to be easy ? Give me slackware any day or night.

Debian stable IS easy.  testing is harder, and unstable is often hard.
Mixing versions is very very hard unless you understand how to deal with
mixing versions and using the apt pinning system properly.

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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:03:21 2004
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:03:21 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291400320.2655-Ci2SjaSQDSULvMNHDqYZmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407281427250.16049@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <ltzn5jh82i.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291125330.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <ltu0vqa8xv.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291400320.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet>
Message-ID: <20040730010321.GH14878@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 02:46:05PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Ok, dpkg hosed the installation. It has nothing to do with my packages, 
> which are now installed, and I can almost compile. dpkg has cleverly 
> removed most kde components, including konqueror. I wish I could 
> understand what caused it to remove all those packages ?!!!
> 
> In general apt-get does not understand packages installed with dpkg -i 
> (why not ?).

Because you installed something for which it has no source, and hence no
source for any dependancies.  If it has a way to access the related
packages (through an apt source) it will deal just fine.  Also deals
fine with independant packages (like opera for example) installed that
way.

> I am giving up on this distro for now.

Well your loss.  It's not the system's fault when you tell it to do
something unusual, and then don't know what to do when it needs help to
continue doing the unusual thing.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 03:58:14 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:58:14 -0700
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
Message-ID: <200407292058.14760.aitken@onlink.net>

With a littel help I installed SuSE 9.1 Personal last night. I am trying ot 
copy the home directory from my other machine (rh7.3/8.0). I did the 
following:

chris at linux:~> scp -r 
chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
chris at linux:~> su
Password: 
linux:/home/chris # scp -r 
chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
linux:/home/chris # ping 192.168.0.3
PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.02 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.406 ms

As you can see from the above ssh is refusing the connection. Running scp as 
root did not help. I can ping the machine OK. Any ideas I can try?

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:16:30 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:16:30 -0400
Subject: CUPS Problem
Message-ID: <4109A16E.1020103@canada.com>

Hi All,

I am using CUPS (I should say trying to use CUPS) and experience a weird 
problem.

I am using a Debian Sarge and have installed CUPS via the available 
packages.  I have not updated the cups.conf (file attached just in case).

The problem is that when I try to print something (let's say from OO), 
the file stays in the queue for ever (status: processing).  If I try 
from Thunderbird, the application hangs (the printing status windows 
stays open and I have to kill Thunderbird although the file is in the 
queue).  In both cases, the job stays in the queue forever.

If I start gtklp, I can see my jobs and manage them, but no printing.

I have also attached the output of a ps auxf.

Thanks for your help,

Gilles
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From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:18:35 2004
From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:18:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
In-Reply-To: <200407292058.14760.aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407292058.14760.aitken@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0407292117460.36776@pyyl.pair.com>

Hi Chris,

The most obvious answer I can think of is that sshd is not running on
192.168.0.3. What does /var/log/messages on that machine say about the
failed attempt to ssh in?

Alex

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:

> With a littel help I installed SuSE 9.1 Personal last night. I am trying ot
> copy the home directory from my other machine (rh7.3/8.0). I did the
> following:
>
> chris at linux:~> scp -r
> chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
> chris at linux:~> su
> Password:
> linux:/home/chris # scp -r
> chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
> linux:/home/chris # ping 192.168.0.3
> PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.02 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.406 ms
>
> As you can see from the above ssh is refusing the connection. Running scp as
> root did not help. I can ping the machine OK. Any ideas I can try?
>
> Chris
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 04:23:23 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:23:23 -0700
Subject: Moz Nav/Mssgr for SuSE 9.1 Pers
Message-ID: <200407292123.23097.aitken@onlink.net>

I want to install Mozilla Navigator and Messenger in SuSE 9.1 Personal. I was 
warned against installing an older version from the rh 8.0 CDs, so, of 
course, that is what I tried. : /

After copying rpms from the 8.0 CD, I tried the following:

chris at linux:~> rpm -i mozilla-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm
warning: mozilla-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID db42a60e
error: Failed dependencies:
        mozilla-nspr = 1.0.1-24 is needed by mozilla-1.0.1-24
        indexhtml is needed by mozilla-1.0.1-24
        libnspr4.so is needed by mozilla-1.0.1-24
        libplc4.so is needed by mozilla-1.0.1-24
        libplds4.so is needed by mozilla-1.0.1-24
chris at linux:~> rpm -i mozilla-nspr-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm
warning: mozilla-nspr-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 
db42a60e
error: cannot get exclusive lock on /var/lib/rpm/Packages
error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Operation not permitted (1)
error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
chris at linux:~> su
Password: 
linux:/home/chris # rpm -i mozilla-nspr-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm
warning: mozilla-nspr-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 
db42a60e
linux:/home/chris # 

I don't think it will be worth satisfying all these dependencies. What is a 
good and stable version of mozilla navigator and messenger that will rpm -i 
into SuSE?

Chris
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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:29:02 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:29:02 -0400
Subject: CUPS Problem
In-Reply-To: <4109A16E.1020103-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <4109A16E.1020103@canada.com>
Message-ID: <4109A45E.4070400@truxtar.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Most obvious question:

Have you configured you printer via the cups web interface?
Go to <http://localhost:631>, click "Printers", "Add Printer" (at the
bottom), and follow the instructions. Then try printing a Test Page.

If you don't mind using KDE, KDE's KControl has an excellent printer
configuration tool (Periherals->Printers).

Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am using CUPS (I should say trying to use CUPS) and experience a weird
> problem.
>
> I am using a Debian Sarge and have installed CUPS via the available
> packages.  I have not updated the cups.conf (file attached just in case).
>
> The problem is that when I try to print something (let's say from OO),
> the file stays in the queue for ever (status: processing).  If I try
> from Thunderbird, the application hangs (the printing status windows
> stays open and I have to kill Thunderbird although the file is in the
> queue).  In both cases, the job stays in the queue forever.
>
> If I start gtklp, I can see my jobs and manage them, but no printing.
>
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GnuPG Key fingerprint =
5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3  CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4

Whoever says e-mail isn't secure?.. use PGP/GPG technology!
<http://www.gnupg.org>
For those still using  Windows:
<http://www.glump.net/content/gpg_intro/html/gpg_intro.html>

*** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! ***
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Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

iD8DBQFBCaRcRreNkzrRRLQRAsAkAJ9ReqJwaxQqIlNC3I2I8G7TtS32QQCfdaCA
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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:43:10 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:43:10 -0400
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
References: <200407292058.14760.aitken@onlink.net> <Pine.BSF.4.58.0407292117460.36776@pyyl.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4109A7AE.2080405@onlink.net>

talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:

>Hi Chris,
>
>The most obvious answer I can think of is that sshd is not running on
>192.168.0.3. What does /var/log/messages on that machine say about the
>failed attempt to ssh in?
>
That swamp is long and deep -- does this help?


Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Initializing USB HID interface:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Initializing USB keyboard:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Initializing USB mouse:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 fsck: /: clean, 24476/127744 files, 39454/255024 blocks
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Checking root filesystem succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Remounting root filesystem in 
read-write mode:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:25 a800 rc.sysinit: Activating swap partitions:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) 
with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: ttyS0 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Jul 29 07:01:27 a800 rc.sysinit: Finding module dependencies:  succeeded
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: ttyS1 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e
Jul 29 07:01:27 a800 fsck: /home: clean, 5199/256512 files, 
237532/512071 blocks
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: block: 480 slots per queue, batch=120
Jul 29 07:01:49 a800 kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver 
Revision: 6.31
Jul 29 07:01:27 a800 fsck: /usr: clean, 90330/374624 files, 
552987/749030 blocks
"/var/log/messages" 1335L, 90616C

>
>Alex
>
>On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Chris Aitken wrote:
>
>  
>
>>With a little help I installed SuSE 9.1 Personal last night. I am trying ot
>>copy the home directory from my other machine (rh7.3/8.0). I did the
>>following:
>>
>>chris at linux:~> scp -r
>>chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
>>ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
>>chris at linux:~> su
>>Password:
>>linux:/home/chris # scp -r
>>chris-Q0ErXNX1RuZDlWMHxMKk0g at public.gmane.org:/home/chris /home/chris/homecontentscopiedfroma800
>>ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
>>linux:/home/chris # ping 192.168.0.3
>>PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
>>64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.02 ms
>>64 bytes from 192.168.0.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.406 ms
>>
>>As you can see from the above ssh is refusing the connection. Running scp as
>>root did not help. I can ping the machine OK. Any ideas I can try?
>>
>>Chris
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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:39:40 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:39:40 -0400
Subject: CUPS Problem
In-Reply-To: <4109A45E.4070400-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
References: <4109A16E.1020103@canada.com> <4109A45E.4070400@truxtar.com>
Message-ID: <4109A6DC.5070501@canada.com>

Anton Markov wrote:

>Have you configured you printer via the cups web interface?
>Go to <http://localhost:631>, click "Printers", "Add Printer" (at the
>bottom), and follow the instructions. Then try printing a Test Page.
>  
>
I did use the web interface to configure my printer and everything is 
fine (as far as I can tell).  I was even able to print the test page 
then.  If a retry to print a test page, it stays in the queue like 
everything else.  Of course, the printer is active (status: processing, 
accepting jobs) and the jobs are all released.

>If you don't mind using KDE, KDE's KControl has an excellent printer
>configuration tool (Periherals->Printers).
>  
>
No I am using Gnome 2.6.

Another information I forgot to provide you with: the fact that the 
printer is on or off when the workstation is booting does not change 
anything.  Also, both the CUPS server and client are on the workstation.

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 01:48:48 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:48:48 -0400
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
References: <200407292058.14760.aitken@onlink.net> <Pine.BSF.4.58.0407292117460.36776@pyyl.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4109A900.9060509@onlink.net>

talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:

>Hi Chris,
>
>The most obvious answer I can think of is that sshd is not running on
>192.168.0.3.
>

I see in the GUI 'Service Configuration' sshd is not even listed. Same 
in /usr/sbin/ntsysv

Chris

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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Thu Jul 29 21:11:23 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:11:23 +0100
Subject: Moz Nav/Mssgr for SuSE 9.1 Pers
In-Reply-To: <200407292123.23097.aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407292123.23097.aitken@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <20040729221123.344a65f6@pingu.opus>

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:23:23 -0700
Chris Aitken <aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I want to install Mozilla Navigator and Messenger in SuSE 9.1 Personal. I was 
> warned against installing an older version from the rh 8.0 CDs, so, of 
> course, that is what I tried. : /
> 
> After copying rpms from the 8.0 CD, I tried the following:
> 
> chris at linux:~> rpm -i mozilla-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm
> warning: mozilla-1.0.1-24.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 

<Big snip> 
> I don't think it will be worth satisfying all these dependencies. What is a 
> good and stable version of mozilla navigator and messenger that will rpm -i 
> into SuSE?
> 
> Chris

Go here 

http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=index

John 


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From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 02:12:18 2004
From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:12:18 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291400320.2655-Ci2SjaSQDSULvMNHDqYZmw@public.gmane.org> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407281427250.16049@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <ltzn5jh82i.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291125330.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet> <ltu0vqa8xv.fsf@newsol.starnix.com> <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407291400320.2655@cyc.cyc.ubzr.bet>
Message-ID: <20040730021218.77BC740EB@cbbrowne.com>

> Ok, dpkg hosed the installation. It has nothing to do with my packages, 
> which are now installed, and I can almost compile. dpkg has cleverly 
> removed most kde components, including konqueror. I wish I could 
> understand what caused it to remove all those packages ?!!!

You evidently told it to.  Throw in an incompatible set of dependancy
requirements, tell the system to "force" things a few times, and you'll
get wedged in a bad state.

> In general apt-get does not understand packages installed with dpkg -i 
> (why not ?).

apt is aware of the packages for which you have sources defined in
/etc/apt/sources.list

If you install a barrel of packages that the packaging system doesn't
have "sources" for, thereby _destroying_ the systems notion of
dependancies, well, there's no surprise that this caused you grief.

If you use dpkg to randomly install .deb files that you found somewhere
on the Internet, then you are destroying the integrity of the packaging
system, in _exactly_ the same manner that installing random .rpm files
found using RpmFind.net will "break" an RPM-based system.

Installing random stuff of dubious provenance is _always_ something that
leads to significant risk of corrupting your system, whether that means:

  - Installing a bunch of .deb files for which you have no dependancy
    information because they do not correspond to anything in
    /etc/apt/sources.list,

  - Installing a bunch of .rpm files from 8 different sources, some
    intended for some other version of Red Hat Linux,

  - Installing Slackware, then installing some GNOME libs by hand,
    then trying to use Slackware packages to upgrade Galeon.

What you did was guaranteed to destroy the integrity of the
distribution's capability to manage packages.  You're not going to
_ever_ see an improvement on this.  

Pick another distribution, apply the same approach you took, and you'll
get much the same set of grief, albeit with the possibility that another
distribution might silently go along with the attempt to reinstall
things before libraries crumble into a pile of crud.
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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 02:15:00 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:00 -0400
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
In-Reply-To: <4109A900.9060509-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407292058.14760.aitken@onlink.net> <Pine.BSF.4.58.0407292117460.36776@pyyl.pair.com> <4109A900.9060509@onlink.net>
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On July 29, 2004 09:48 pm, Chris Aitken wrote:

> >The most obvious answer I can think of is that sshd is not running on
> >192.168.0.3.
>
> I see in the GUI 'Service Configuration' sshd is not even listed. Same
> in /usr/sbin/ntsysv

GUI tools suck compared to what you can do on the command line.  Forget the 
gui, if you depend on guis to tell yourself about the system you will always 
be struggling and you'll never *really* understand what's going on.

Is ssh running (ps auxw | grep sshd)?  Is something listening on port 22 
(netstat -ntl | grep :22)?  Is that something on listening on port 22 really 
your sshd process (look at options to netstat for showing you the programs 
that are listening)?

Is sshd installed, use your package management tools to show you that (rpm, 
dpkg, etc.), use locate, etc.

If sshd is listening on port 22, is it listening on 0.0.0.0 (good) or 
192.168.0.3 (also fine) or on some other address only (bad).

If it is listening but you can't connect then what about firewall rules?  Did 
you install firewall rules or activate a firewall script somewhere, did you 
allow incoming ssh connections?

What does /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny say?  Look at the man pages for 
those files if you don't understand.

Presuming that you do have ssh running also check the logfiles (Alex 
mentioned /var/log/messages, there may be others that are relevant).  Do an 
"ls -lrt" in /var/log to see what files are being appended to as you attempt 
connections, "tail -f" those files to see what errors or debugging info is 
being placed there for you benefit.

There's a lot of great material out there for learning what makes a Linux 
system tick.  You cannot learn from a GUI and manuals from SuSe, Mandrake, 
Redhat, et al are mostly useless crap focused on the GUI, package management 
and system installation.  Check out the Linux System Administrators Guide 
(http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html) and the  Linux Network 
Administrator's Guide (http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html) they're both 
excellent and just as relevant today as when they were first published over 
10 years ago.  There are probably many other good LDP guides but the above 
two are the two that got me started and they were worth every penny of the 
$60 they cost me to print long ago.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 02:15:57 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:57 -0400
Subject: scp -r ssh cx refused
In-Reply-To: <4109A7AE.2080405-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
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Hmm, that part of the log file does not show anything about ssh. I find
it hard to believe SSH would not be installed. Try:

# /sbin/service sshd start
or
# /etc/init.d/sshd start
or
# sshd

If these don't work, then you really don't have the ssh server (sshd).
You should be able to find the RPM on your Redhat CDs (or use something
like "redhat-config-packages").

Chris Aitken wrote:
> talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> The most obvious answer I can think of is that sshd is not running on
>> 192.168.0.3. What does /var/log/messages on that machine say about the
>> failed attempt to ssh in?
>>
> That swamp is long and deep -- does this help?
>
>
<snip>

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 12:55:24 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:55:24 -0400
Subject: OT: evil realnetworks
Message-ID: <200407300855.24702.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

Hi,

Apple is accusing Realnetworks of resorting to hacker ethics and tactics, what 
an evil bunch of people must reside at realnetworks!  Imagine letting users 
of Real's software and music site transfer songs to an iPod, how dare anyone 
but apple do that!  Words like DMCA are being thrown around though it doesn't 
sound like there's a lawsuit yet.  The story was in the national post but 
isn't available online so here is a different version ... 
http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040730/ZNYT05/407300414/1051/NEWS01

In other example of astounding innovation, Microsoft has patented methods for 
displaying pictures organized by their date.  Wow, I can't wait for that one, 
I'd post a URL but I've wasted enough bytes for today.

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 14:12:52 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:12:52 -0400
Subject: triple-boot question
Message-ID: <410A5764.6060502@295.ca>

Hi,

I've currently got windows xp on the first partition, and Fedora Core 2 
on another partition. GRUB is installed on the MBR. I want to install 
Red Hat on another partition. When installing it, should I just select 
to install GRUB again on the MBR? Will it properly detect the existing 
Fedora installation and include it in the boot menu?

OR, should I select to install GRUB into the Red Hat root partition, and 
then just edit the GRUB.conf file that resides in the Fedora partition? 
In THIS case, do I need to install GRUB a second time at all?? Can I 
then merely skip that part of the installation for Red Hat??

Thanks for any pointers!

-Steve.

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 14:46:46 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:46:46 -0400
Subject: triple-boot question
In-Reply-To: <410A5764.6060502-sKcZck+fQKg@public.gmane.org>
References: <410A5764.6060502@295.ca>
Message-ID: <410A5F56.4060509@truxtar.com>

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Hi,

You should tell the Redhad installer not to touch the Boot Loader at
all. Once the installation is complete, you can edit the
/boot/grub/menu.lst file in your Fedora Core 2 installation, and include
an entry for the new Redhat system. You don't need to install GRUB on
the new Redhat system at all, and you DON'T need to re-run grub-install.
Just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, and grub will re-read it the
next time you reboot.

Goot luck!

- - - s r b - - wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've currently got windows xp on the first partition, and Fedora Core 2
> on another partition. GRUB is installed on the MBR. I want to install
> Red Hat on another partition. When installing it, should I just select
> to install GRUB again on the MBR? Will it properly detect the existing
> Fedora installation and include it in the boot menu?
>
> OR, should I select to install GRUB into the Red Hat root partition, and
> then just edit the GRUB.conf file that resides in the Fedora partition?
> In THIS case, do I need to install GRUB a second time at all?? Can I
> then merely skip that part of the installation for Red Hat??
>
> Thanks for any pointers!
>
> -Steve.
>

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From jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 11:28:11 2004
From: jemcinto-cpI+UMyWUv+w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (James McIntosh)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:28:11
Subject: OT: evil realnetworks
In-Reply-To: <200407300855.24702.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407300855.24702.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.20040730112811.5d57b3de@mail.look.ca>

At 08:55 AM 2004/07/30 -0400, you wrote:

>Apple is accusing Realnetworks of resorting to hacker ethics and tactics,
what 
>an evil bunch of people must reside at realnetworks!  Imagine letting users 
>of Real's software and music site transfer songs to an iPod, how dare anyone 
>but apple do that!  Words like DMCA are being thrown around though it
doesn't 
>sound like there's a lawsuit yet.  The story was in the national post but 
>isn't available online so here is a different version ... 
>http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040730/ZNYT05/4073004
14/1051/NEWS01

And here's still another version:

Real accused of 'hacker' tactics

APPLE Computer has responded to RealNetworks' creation of
iPod-compatible software by calling it the technological equivalent of
breaking and entering.

http://email.news.com.au/ct/click?q=ad-_4BAQzEEaIlzNHcQxVOfwJkg

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From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 16:46:21 2004
From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:46:21 -0400
Subject: audacity vers for SuSE 9.1 Pers
Message-ID: <410A7B5D.7080300@onlink.net>

Does anyone know which version of audacity would work well with SuSE9.1 
Personal? I don't want to satisfy dependencies. If I can do it all with 
 rpm -i audacityversionwhatever.rpm then that would be great. I think I 
found my answer at http://www.emuleforum.net/archive/topic/73533-1.html
but I don't speak German.
: /

Chris

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From srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 17:04:55 2004
From: srb-sKcZck+fQKg at public.gmane.org (- - s r b - -)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:04:55 -0400
Subject: audacity vers for SuSE 9.1 Pers
In-Reply-To: <410A7B5D.7080300-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
References: <410A7B5D.7080300@onlink.net>
Message-ID: <410A7FB7.1050905@295.ca>

Chris Aitken wrote:

> Does anyone know which version of audacity would work well with 
> SuSE9.1 Personal? I don't want to satisfy dependencies. If I can do it 
> all with rpm -i audacityversionwhatever.rpm then that would be great. 
> I think I found my answer at 
> http://www.emuleforum.net/archive/topic/73533-1.html
> but I don't speak German.
> : /
>
> Chris


I believe that audacity can be downloaded and installed from the 
official site and it it self-contained (requires nothing else), so 
dependencies are not an issue.

On a side-note, how do you like Suse Personal? Is it "crippled" in 
anyway? I've been wanting to install a version of Suse, and wonder if 
this one is OK for me? Currently I use Fedora Core 2 and xp.

Thanks and hope that helps.

-Steve.

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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 17:22:54 2004
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 30 Jul 2004 13:22:54 -0400
Subject: OT: evil realnetworks
In-Reply-To: <200407300855.24702.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407300855.24702.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>
Message-ID: <ltsmb9if4h.fsf@newsol.starnix.com>

Fraser Campbell <fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hi,
> 
> Apple is accusing Realnetworks of resorting to hacker ethics and tactics, what 
> an evil bunch of people must reside at realnetworks!  Imagine letting users 
> of Real's software and music site transfer songs to an iPod, how dare anyone 
> but apple do that!  Words like DMCA are being thrown around though it doesn't 
> sound like there's a lawsuit yet.  The story was in the national post but 
> isn't available online so here is a different version ... 
> http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040730/ZNYT05/407300414/1051/NEWS01
> 
> In other example of astounding innovation, Microsoft has patented methods for 
> displaying pictures organized by their date.  Wow, I can't wait for that one, 
> I'd post a URL but I've wasted enough bytes for today.

Forget prior art, what about the non-obvious requirement for patents.  Here's
a method for displaying pictures organized by date:

    display `/bin/ls -t *.jpg`                  [1]

or in zsh:

    display *.jpg(om)

Did I just infringe their patent?  Oops!

[1] Display is from ImageMagick.

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From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 17:28:32 2004
From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:28:32 -0400
Subject: OT: evil realnetworks
In-Reply-To: <ltsmb9if4h.fsf-ESSLbfkwD4uye9+Y+OZS3dBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
References: <200407300855.24702.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <ltsmb9if4h.fsf@newsol.starnix.com>
Message-ID: <200407301328.32754.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net>

On July 30, 2004 01:22 pm, Tim Writer wrote:

> Forget prior art, what about the non-obvious requirement for patents. 
> Here's a method for displaying pictures organized by date:
>
>     display `/bin/ls -t *.jpg`                  [1]
>
> or in zsh:
>
>     display *.jpg(om)
>
> Did I just infringe their patent?  Oops!

Nah, you forget a few extra lines of shell that would create HTML making it 
look like a calendar ;-)

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 18:40:43 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:40:43 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
Message-ID: <410A962B.1050304@canada.com>

Hi All,

A couple of month ago, Jing published a script to run concurrent 
instances of Mozilla/Firefox.  I am running Firefox 0.9.1 on Sarge and 
this script did not work well: it was able to start a new instance of 
Firefox only if one was already running.

I found that it was because the mozilla-xremote-client version shipped 
with Firefox returned 0 to a successful ping (meaning if a client was 
already running).

I tried to modified Jing's script to reflect that but, because I do not 
know Bash very well, my new script is not nice.

Actually, in the script, the variable REMOTE is the program to be used 
for the ping.  However, with this version of mozilla-xremote-client, you 
also have to specify what to ping with the option -a 
(mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping()") knowing that you can ping 
Firefox, Thunderbird, Mozilla, or any.

My problem is that I cannot put "mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox" in 
the REMOTE variable otherwise, when executed (`$REMOTE "ping()"`).  
Therefore, the only solution I found was to hard code the program with 
its path and options.  Not good at all.

Any trick?

Thanks,

Gilles
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 19:53:08 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:53:08 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
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References: <410A962B.1050304@canada.com>
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 02:40:43PM -0400, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A couple of month ago, Jing published a script to run concurrent 
> instances of Mozilla/Firefox.  I am running Firefox 0.9.1 on Sarge and 
> this script did not work well: it was able to start a new instance of 
> Firefox only if one was already running.
> 
> I found that it was because the mozilla-xremote-client version shipped 
> with Firefox returned 0 to a successful ping (meaning if a client was 
> already running).
> 
> I tried to modified Jing's script to reflect that but, because I do not 
> know Bash very well, my new script is not nice.
> 
> Actually, in the script, the variable REMOTE is the program to be used 
> for the ping.  However, with this version of mozilla-xremote-client, you 
> also have to specify what to ping with the option -a 
> (mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping()") knowing that you can ping 
> Firefox, Thunderbird, Mozilla, or any.
> 
> My problem is that I cannot put "mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox" in 
> the REMOTE variable otherwise, when executed (`$REMOTE "ping()"`).  
> Therefore, the only solution I found was to hard code the program with 
> its path and options.  Not good at all.
> 
> Any trick?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gilles

> #!/bin/sh
> 
> TARGET=/usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/firefox
> #REMOTE="/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox"
> REMOTE="/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-xremote-client"
> 
> if [ "$1" == "-remote" ]; then
>     # calling program is smart enough to do it...
>     exec $TARGET $*
> 
> else
> #    `$REMOTE "ping ()"`
>     `/usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping ()"`

This
    /usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping ()"
and
    REMOTE="/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox"
    $REMOTE "ping ()"
are identical.

Also, you don't need `...`

>     if [ $? = 0 ] ; then
> 	echo "Already running ($?)"
>         # there is already one running
> 
>         if [ -z "$1" ]; then
> 	    exec $REMOTE "openURL("about:blank", new-window)"
> 
>         elif [ -f "$1" ]; then
>             # okay, tedious work of trying to find the complete pathname
>             # make two variables, trying to separate the path from file.
>             file=`basename $1`
>             path=${1%%${file}}
> 	    if [ ! -d "$path" ]; then
>         	# try to fully expand the path
>         	path=`pwd $path`

'pwd' usually don't take argument.  I don't think there is shell
wrapper for realpath(3).

> 	    fi
>             # okay, issue the command
> 	    exec $REMOTE "openFile(file://$path/$file, new-tab)"
> 
>         else
> 	    # "new-tab" feature for URLs is broken in current firefox
> 	    #exec $REMOTE "openURL($1, new-tab)"
> 	    # so what we do instead is always open a new window and then
> 	    # open the URL
> 	    $REMOTE "xfeDoCommand(openBrowser)"
> 	    exec $REMOTE "openURL($1)"
> 
>         fi
>     else
>         # no mozilla currently running
> 	echo "Nothing running ($?)"
>         exec $TARGET $* &
> 
>     fi
> fi

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 21:04:36 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:04:36 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
In-Reply-To: <20040730195308.GA3071-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
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William Park wrote:

>This
>    /usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping ()"
>and
>    REMOTE="/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox"
>    $REMOTE "ping ()"
>are identical.
>  
>
I agree.  Actually, my first idea was to include the "-a firefox" in the 
REMOTE variable.  But, if I do that, I get a "Usage: 
mozilla-xremote-client [COMMAND]" during the execution and it goes 
directly to the else (where it is supposed to go if Firefox is not 
running yet).

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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 22:42:59 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:42:59 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
In-Reply-To: <410AB7E4.2050805-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 05:04:36PM -0400, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> William Park wrote:
> 
> >This
> >   /usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "ping ()"
> >and
> >   REMOTE="/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox"
> >   $REMOTE "ping ()"
> >are identical.
> > 
> >
> I agree.  Actually, my first idea was to include the "-a firefox" in
> the REMOTE variable.  But, if I do that, I get a "Usage:
> mozilla-xremote-client [COMMAND]" during the execution and it goes
> directly to the else (where it is supposed to go if Firefox is not
> running yet).

Well, the fact that you got
    Usage: mozilla-xremote-client ...
means that it called 'mozilla-xremote-client', as it should.  So, the
problem, if any, is somewhere else.

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 22:57:54 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:57:54 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
In-Reply-To: <20040730224259.GA354-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
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William Park wrote:

>Well, the fact that you got
>    Usage: mozilla-xremote-client ...
>means that it called 'mozilla-xremote-client', as it should.  So, the
>problem, if any, is somewhere else.
>  
>
I agree.  It seems that when I add the "-a firefox" in the variable, it 
is not well treated by the shell.
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org  Fri Jul 30 23:28:47 2004
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:28:47 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 06:57:54PM -0400, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
> William Park wrote:
> 
> >Well, the fact that you got
> >   Usage: mozilla-xremote-client ...
> >means that it called 'mozilla-xremote-client', as it should.  So, the
> >problem, if any, is somewhere else.
> > 
> >
> I agree.  It seems that when I add the "-a firefox" in the variable,
> it is not well treated by the shell.

Everything works here, as expected.

    firefox &
    /usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client "openURL(http://kernel.org/, new-tab)"
    /usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client "openFile(file:///etc/, new-tab)"

Try a simple script for start, eg.

    TARGET=/usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/firefox
    REMOTE=/usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client

    if ! $REMOTE "openURL($1, new-tab)"; then
	$TARGET "$1" &
    done

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From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 17:07:20 2004
From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:07:20 -0400
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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Peter L. Peres wrote:
> But I did not do that at all. All libs were fetched from the internet
> via apt-get install. Unfortunately I do not have a Debian cd here so I
> tried to d/l as little as possible.
Libs are probably the hardest to upgrade, because other packages may
depend on a particular version of the library. If you upgrade the
libraries without upgrading all packages that depend on these libraries,
than APT will be very upset, but it will respect you decision to install
 the libraries (that's why it says, "but version x.y.z will be
installed"). Instead, it will remove the other conflicting packages.

> My source package requires some modern libraries, from testing/unstable.
> The system itself says it is testing/unstable. More of the latter
> apparently ;-) But again, *I* pushed the button.
Remember, unstable and even testing receive regular updates daily. It's
not unsusual for your system to become out-of-date.

If you really need a newer version of some library, but don't want to
update your entire system, it's best to compile/install the library into
*/usr/local*. The package manager will never touch it, and it will not
effect any packages already installed.

> I did not install *any* random stuff. The way I understand it, I
> forcibly updated a library on which kde depends and the apt system then
> tried to update the entirety of kde (but it did not ask for upgrade, it
> asked whether to remove the packages, and *I* said yes - my mistake ?).
It is best to never *force* any package to install/update. The APT
system is designed in such a way that all installed packages *always*
have their required dependancies. Therefore, if it can't satisfy a
package's requirements, it deletes it rather than leaving it
unconfigured. Fortunately, it always asks before uninstalling stuff. If
you run into the situation were you *upgraded* a library and APT is not
happy about it. It is best to once again forcibly *downgrade* it back to
the previous version. Then find some alternate way, such as compiling
the lib from a tar.gz file.

As for your KDE trouble, if you can get your hands on a Debian CD(s)
(preferably the same release (stable/testing) and your system (I am
still not sure if you are running "stable" or "testing"), then "apt-get
install kde" or "apt-get install <separate KDE components>" will have
you up and running in no time.

> I expect the distribution to be somewhat tolerant of people doing
> non-standard things with it. F.ex. I ran Suse for a few years and it had
> its package manager, and it did its thing, and I had my development
> stuff, which I managed using tar.gz files, and we were happy together.
> Suse yast would even refrain from overwriting config files which I
> edited and tell me about it at each update/config run. I never had a
> problem of this kind with yast (like adding my own devel library to the
> system and it trying to tear down everything because of it).
Debian is very tolarent of user changes. It never EVER touches anything
in /usr/local, and that means that you can keep any version of any
library in /usr/local. As long as you don't do something that will break
existing installed packages (such as *replacing* old libs with new
version that the packages weren't designed for), then the package
manager won't bug you.

Also, apt-get ALWAYS asks you whether or not you want to replace a
configuration file with the one provided in a package if it detects that
the file was modified since installation. It also give you the option of
viewing a DIFF of the two files.


Debian is really easy to get along with. As long as you leave the
package manager (meaning all files in /usr/lib, /usr/share, /usr/bin,
etc.) alone to do it's job of installing packages and solving their
dependancies, and putting everything either in your personal directory
or /usr/local, everything will be fine. For example, I have the
Debian/unstable version of XFCE4 in /usr and a recent CVS version in
/usr/local. They co-exist just fine.

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From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 15:49:03 2004
From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:49:03 -0400
Subject: Bash issue
In-Reply-To: <20040730232847.GA648-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>
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Thanks William,

I have solved my problem (although I still do not understand what happened).

Actually, as I was restarting the script from scratch, I have 
incorporated everything of the old script but now it is working.  I do 
not understand since the two files seems to be the same besides some 
cosmetic differences (some blank lines in the new one that are not in 
the old one).  I guess I will have to strengthened my knowledge of Bash.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Gilles


William Park wrote:

>On Fri, Jul 30, 2004 at 06:57:54PM -0400, Gilles Fourchet wrote:
>  
>
>>William Park wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Well, the fact that you got
>>>  Usage: mozilla-xremote-client ...
>>>means that it called 'mozilla-xremote-client', as it should.  So, the
>>>problem, if any, is somewhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I agree.  It seems that when I add the "-a firefox" in the variable,
>>it is not well treated by the shell.
>>    
>>
>
>Everything works here, as expected.
>
>    firefox &
>    /usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client "openURL(http://kernel.org/, new-tab)"
>    /usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client "openFile(file:///etc/, new-tab)"
>
>Try a simple script for start, eg.
>
>    TARGET=/usr/share/firefox_0.9.1/firefox
>    REMOTE=/usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client
>
>    if ! $REMOTE "openURL($1, new-tab)"; then
>	$TARGET "$1" &
>    done
>
>  
>

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From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:14:58 -0400
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The APT HOWTO contains an entire section on pinning:
<http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin>

Basically, pinning means telling APT you want a specific version (or
other criteria) of a package. It will modify apt-get's version choosing
process, so you can keep using some old, and some new packages (as long
as there are no dependency conflicts, of course).

Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Ah, pinning. I have seen this term in the documentation before. What is
> pinning, exactly ? I take it that it sets priority for packages and then
> the packaging system chooses packages with higher priority when it has
> choices. No ? The documentation I have seen so far is severely lacking
> in terminology description. A glossary added to the apt-howto would be a
> good start imho.
>
> Thatnk you for your answers, it is very useful,
>
> Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 15:12:06 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:12:06 -0400 (EDT)
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

>> I am giving up on this distro for now.
>
> Well your loss.  It's not the system's fault when you tell it to do
> something unusual, and then don't know what to do when it needs help to
> continue doing the unusual thing.

'giving up' is relative. It is still running (I am posting from it), it's 
just hard to shoehorn it into doing what I need. Basically nothing is 
broken, but kde is deinstalled (it depended on the library I forced in).

On Slack if you need 5 versions of a library you install them and they 
coexist. I still have a 1.2.13 system running and I know this. There is no 
similar system on Debian ?

Peter

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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 14:59:34 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Anton Markov wrote:

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> It's not that apt-get doesn't work with dpkg. dpkg is just a low-level
> that allows you to break the dependency rules. apt-get on the other hand
> does not allow it, and tries to "fix" things by satisfying the
> dependencies. Sometimes this means it tries to uninstall one library,
> which then uninstalls another package that depends on it, etc. It is
> usually best to manually (using dpkg for example) undo whatever action
> caused the problem in the first place.

I understand what you say, but I have to force non-debian packages into 
the system. It appears that this is not (easily) possible. There is a way 
to force packages into the system described in the apt-howto afair, but it 
is not suitable for my purposes.

What I tried to do was, to install a package (non-debian) that required 
very unstable libraries. When I tried to make those libraries co-exist 
with the old ones I failed, using the apt and dpkg systems.

So now I reverted to manual package manipulation and it sort of works. But 
the kde is deleted from this system ;-). I now use window maker and other 
things.

my only consolation is that on Windoze I would have reinstalled minimum 8 
times by now, and would not have had success.

My lesson: Do development on slackware systems and/or using the manual 
library and package install method (tar.gz, compile etc), while completely 
and carefully ignoring the resident package manager, then port the package 
to a package format like deb or rpm.

Until now, I have had bad adventures of this kind with rpm based systems 
(RH and Suse), and now Debian. The cycle is complete. No 'adventures' 
happened on Slackware or BSD. There, all the mistakes were mine, and could 
be fixed without taking down the system.

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 15:09:20 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 01:45:05PM -0400, Peter L. Peres wrote:
>> I forced all of them after reading on the incompatibility issues.
>> Unconfortable ? If my mail headers in the next emails will be different
>> (from another machine) then you'll know I am unconfortable.
>>
>> debian was supposed to be easy ? Give me slackware any day or night.
>
> Debian stable IS easy.  testing is harder, and unstable is often hard.
> Mixing versions is very very hard unless you understand how to deal with
> mixing versions and using the apt pinning system properly.

Ah, pinning. I have seen this term in the documentation before. What is 
pinning, exactly ? I take it that it sets priority for packages and then 
the packaging system chooses packages with higher priority when it has 
choices. No ? The documentation I have seen so far is severely lacking in 
terminology description. A glossary added to the apt-howto would be a good 
start imho.

Thatnk you for your answers, it is very useful,

Peter
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From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 15:25:11 2004
From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:25:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: debian dependecy hell
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004, Christopher Browne wrote:

>> In general apt-get does not understand packages installed with dpkg -i
>> (why not ?).
>
> apt is aware of the packages for which you have sources defined in
> /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> If you install a barrel of packages that the packaging system doesn't
> have "sources" for, thereby _destroying_ the systems notion of
> dependancies, well, there's no surprise that this caused you grief.

But I did not do that at all. All libs were fetched from the internet via 
apt-get install. Unfortunately I do not have a Debian cd here so I tried 
to d/l as little as possible.

My source package requires some modern libraries, from testing/unstable. 
The system itself says it is testing/unstable. More of the latter 
apparently ;-) But again, *I* pushed the button.

> If you use dpkg to randomly install .deb files that you found somewhere
> on the Internet, then you are destroying the integrity of the packaging
> system, in _exactly_ the same manner that installing random .rpm files
> found using RpmFind.net will "break" an RPM-based system.

I did not install *any* random stuff. The way I understand it, I forcibly 
updated a library on which kde depends and the apt system then tried to 
update the entirety of kde (but it did not ask for upgrade, it asked 
whether to remove the packages, and *I* said yes - my mistake ?).

> What you did was guaranteed to destroy the integrity of the
> distribution's capability to manage packages.  You're not going to
> _ever_ see an improvement on this.

I expect the distribution to be somewhat tolerant of people doing 
non-standard things with it. F.ex. I ran Suse for a few years and it had 
its package manager, and it did its thing, and I had my development stuff, 
which I managed using tar.gz files, and we were happy together. Suse yast 
would even refrain from overwriting config files which I edited and tell 
me about it at each update/config run. I never had a problem of this kind 
with yast (like adding my own devel library to the system and it trying to 
tear down everything because of it).

> Pick another distribution, apply the same approach you took, and you'll
> get much the same set of grief, albeit with the possibility that another
> distribution might silently go along with the attempt to reinstall
> things before libraries crumble into a pile of crud.

The point is, I did, and they did not give me any grief. The only one more 
intolerant was RH, it would overwrite things with a vengeance, leaving me 
to chase changes in huge ls-lR files.

Peter
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 06:08:36 2004
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:08:36 +0100
Subject: audacity vers for SuSE 9.1 Pers
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:04:55 -0400
- - s r b - - <srb at 295.ca> wrote:

> Chris Aitken wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know which version of audacity would work well with 
> > SuSE9.1 Personal? I don't want to satisfy dependencies. If I can do it 
> > all with rpm -i audacityversionwhatever.rpm then that would be great. 
> > I think I found my answer at 
> > http://www.emuleforum.net/archive/topic/73533-1.html
> > but I don't speak German.
> > : /
> >
> > Chris
> 
> 
> I believe that audacity can be downloaded and installed from the 
> official site and it it self-contained (requires nothing else), so 
> dependencies are not an issue.
> 
> On a side-note, how do you like Suse Personal? Is it "crippled" in 
> anyway? I've been wanting to install a version of Suse, and wonder if 
> this one is OK for me? Currently I use Fedora Core 2 and xp.
> 
> Thanks and hope that helps.
> 
> -Steve.
> 

Chris 

An Audacity RPM is here for Suse 9.1 

http://packman.links2linux.org/?action=286

Steve 

Suse 9.1 is what I would call a well done distro. Hell it installed the Nvidia driver very easily. I use it and Libranet. The only down fall is that mozilla is not installed and it's very KDE oriented. 

I simply downloaded what I wanted to get around this. 

John 

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From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org  Sat Jul 31 13:52:14 2004
From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bell Sympatico Speed Stream modem: won't talk to Ethernet card
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Hi,All!

Is any body there get success with a Sympatico Speed
Stream modem made by Effecient Networks company?

I saw the Ethernet card kicks the modem 3 times. The
modem won't response to it. I checked the Ethernet
card by ifconfig, it has sent out 3 pockets but
received nothing. 

When I run DEBUG=1 adsl-start, in the bottom of the
report, I can see only 3 PADI pockets are sent out
from the Ethernet card. I used different cards and
different computers. The same thing. I called
Sympatico, they are saying my modem is perfect working
and they cannot help with Linux. I am using rp-pppoe
3.5. Cannot find anything newer than this.

Thanks a lot!

Frank Peng.


		
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