From hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 01:03:21 2004 From: hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Hugh Reilly) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:03:21 -0500 Subject: Emerging Network To Reduce Orwellian Potency Yield Message-ID: Happy New Year everyone!! http://entropy.stop1984.com/en/home.html ENTROPY is developed as a response to increasing censorship and surveillance in the internet. The program connects your computer to a network of machines which all run this software. The ENTROPY network is running parallel to the WWW and also other internet services like FTP, email, ICQ. etc. For the user the ENTROPY network looks like a collection of WWW pages. The difference to the WWW however is that there are no accesses to central servers. And this is why there is no site operator who could log who downloaded what and when. Every computer taking part in the ENTROPY network (every node) is at the same time server, router for other nodes, caching proxy and client for the user: that is You. After you gained some experience with the ENTROPY network, there are command line tools for you to insert whole directory trees into the network as a ENTROPY site. So ENTROPY does for you what a webspace provider does for you in the WWW - but without the storage and bandwidth costs and without any regulation or policy as to what kind of content you are allowed to publish. Everyone can contribute his own ENTROPY site for everybody else to browse through. The contents is stored in a distributed manner across all available and reachable nodes and no one can find out about who put up what contents into the network [1]. Even if your node is not actively running, your contents can be retrieved by others -- without knowing that it was actually you who published the files. Of course this is only true if you do not publish your name (or leave your name or other personal data in the files you publish) -Hugh _______________________________________________ Hugh Reilly XEN Technology Group | LinuxLab 600 Bay Street, Suite 405 Toronto ON M5R 1G6 tel: 416-204-9951 fax: 416-204-9723 email: info-2K4XOyu7qTosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org _______________________________________________ http://www.xen.ca | http://www.linuxlab.ca _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 02:20:59 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:20:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I do not like using CD's because the storage is too small. Even DVD's > are not quite big enough to completely back up a system. They are also > cheap and you can still experience unreliability. Even the "good" cd's > are still too unreliable for me. > > When I first got started I used dat tapes and sold some to customers. > That was a big mistake. I was replacing the tape drive every year and > once I had a new tape drive it was a crap shoot as to whether I could > perform a restore or not from an old tape. One of the biggest problems with DDS (and other) tapes is the inability to restore except on the tape drive used to do that backup. This is caused by head misalignment on the original drive, and makes the idea of disaster recovery a joke when you consider that in a real disaster the original drive probably went up in smoke. Anyone using tapes (particularly DDS) to backup important data[1] better be testing restores on a _different_ tape drive. [1] If you are troubled enough to back it up chances are it is important. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 03:47:07 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:47:07 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <000b01c3d019$eec93770$0301a8c0@amazon> I dont like backups onto CDs or any tape formats. Be it helical, travan or whatever. Backing up just data is fine and reliable. But systems are a NOS and data. NOS being the operating system and all the installed programs running. 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. 2. If the system crashes, restoring a system entirely from tape is equally as difficult. On servers with real data. I will never make that mistake agan. Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree. The system I chose for now, is running a mirrored drive system, and backing up just the data onto tape. A third drive I keep as a drive image backup. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brockway" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Wil McGilvery wrote: > > > I do not like using CD's because the storage is too small. Even DVD's > > are not quite big enough to completely back up a system. They are also > > cheap and you can still experience unreliability. Even the "good" cd's > > are still too unreliable for me. > > > > When I first got started I used dat tapes and sold some to customers. > > That was a big mistake. I was replacing the tape drive every year and > > once I had a new tape drive it was a crap shoot as to whether I could > > perform a restore or not from an old tape. > > One of the biggest problems with DDS (and other) tapes is the inability to > restore except on the tape drive used to do that backup. This is caused > by head misalignment on the original drive, and makes the idea of disaster > recovery a joke when you consider that in a real disaster the original > drive probably went up in smoke. > > Anyone using tapes (particularly DDS) to backup important data[1] better > be testing restores on a _different_ tape drive. > > [1] If you are troubled enough to back it up chances are it is important. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway > Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. > Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net > OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 04:43:26 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:43:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree In-Reply-To: <000b01c3d019$eec93770$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <000b01c3d019$eec93770$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Teddy Mills wrote: > 2. If the system crashes, restoring a system entirely from tape is equally > as difficult. On servers with real data. I will never make that mistake > agan. Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree. Or might not. I had to do it a number of times, in the bad old days when I was a sysadmin, and although there were sometimes problems, the rebuild- from-tape part was never among them. But then, we were seriously careful about how we did backups. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 04:45:24 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree In-Reply-To: <000b01c3d019$eec93770$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <000b01c3d019$eec93770$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Teddy Mills wrote: > I dont like backups onto CDs or any tape formats. Be it helical, travan or I'm ok with CDs as long as they are checked (like anything I guess). Their big problem (IMHO) is capacity. > whatever. Travans - I've seen some interesting experiences there. I now avoid them. > Backing up just data is fine and reliable. But systems are a NOS and data. > NOS being the operating system and all the installed programs running. We work on the assumption of full system recovery in as short a time as possible (mainly looking at a business perspective here). For this it is necessary to backup everything. It takes far too long to reinstall all the boxes and configure their apps, etc. I want the speed of the storage device to be the limiting factor. > 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to > open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. I've had surprisingly few problems here. True, having a file open can be a problem, but with nightly backups it tends to be that the same files are not open from night to night. If someone was really worried about this, I'd be worth taking a system to single user mode periodically and doing a full (rather than incremental) backup in this state. This is not something I've found a particular need for. Nost systems are backuped when they are relatively idle. If a system was active 24/7 it would be worth looking at snapshotting data and taking the backups from there. > 2. If the system crashes, restoring a system entirely from tape is equally > as difficult. On servers with real data. I will never make that mistake > agan. Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree. This is where DR (Disaster Recovery) testing comes in. If there is a problem with the DR plan (and there often is) run a live DR test and find out before you have to do it for real. Live DR testing is timeconsuming and thus company accountants and managers may be tempted to cut corners (seeing the time translate into a monetary cost). Insist on a proper DR test and detail why it is needed. With the reliance on information resources in todays companies, few things as a important as a properly tested DR plan but impressing this on the management in many companies has been a slow process. It has been said that management in many companies are getting more "Information Wise" but I won't consider them information wise until they are "DR Wise" :) Have a good NYE and don't stop partying just because some of us are sick :) Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 1 04:59:28 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:59:28 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> I too have restored complete systems from backup with very little problem, but I am paranoid with my backups and test them regularly. You know the saying ... Once bitten. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Brockway [mailto:rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:45 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Teddy Mills wrote: > I dont like backups onto CDs or any tape formats. Be it helical, travan or I'm ok with CDs as long as they are checked (like anything I guess). Their big problem (IMHO) is capacity. > whatever. Travans - I've seen some interesting experiences there. I now avoid them. > Backing up just data is fine and reliable. But systems are a NOS and data. > NOS being the operating system and all the installed programs running. We work on the assumption of full system recovery in as short a time as possible (mainly looking at a business perspective here). For this it is necessary to backup everything. It takes far too long to reinstall all the boxes and configure their apps, etc. I want the speed of the storage device to be the limiting factor. > 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to > open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. I've had surprisingly few problems here. True, having a file open can be a problem, but with nightly backups it tends to be that the same files are not open from night to night. If someone was really worried about this, I'd be worth taking a system to single user mode periodically and doing a full (rather than incremental) backup in this state. This is not something I've found a particular need for. Nost systems are backuped when they are relatively idle. If a system was active 24/7 it would be worth looking at snapshotting data and taking the backups from there. > 2. If the system crashes, restoring a system entirely from tape is equally > as difficult. On servers with real data. I will never make that mistake > agan. Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just from tapes might agree. This is where DR (Disaster Recovery) testing comes in. If there is a problem with the DR plan (and there often is) run a live DR test and find out before you have to do it for real. Live DR testing is timeconsuming and thus company accountants and managers may be tempted to cut corners (seeing the time translate into a monetary cost). Insist on a proper DR test and detail why it is needed. With the reliance on information resources in todays companies, few things as a important as a properly tested DR plan but impressing this on the management in many companies has been a slow process. It has been said that management in many companies are getting more "Information Wise" but I won't consider them information wise until they are "DR Wise" :) Have a good NYE and don't stop partying just because some of us are sick :) Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 00:44:57 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:44:57 -0500 Subject: remote install failed Message-ID: <20040102004457.GB3425@debian> Well I took my best shot at a remote install but the chroot environment seems to have failed me. :( My notes are here: http://xtrinsic.com/geek/config/remoteinstall.txt I was basing this on two HOWTOs which are here: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall I can no longer use the original operating system. I get error messages about shared libraries not found. *curses* :( emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 04:16:33 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:16:33 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' Message-ID: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> I'm getting wierd results from GNU regcomp(3) and regexec(3). I can only match letters and underscore with '\w', ie. '[A-Za-z_]' It doesn't seem to match numbers. According to egrep(1), '\w' is letters, numbers, and underscore; and, 'egrep' does work properly. Am I missing something? - glibc-2.3.2, gcc-3.2.3, Slackware-9.1 -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 15:58:26 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:58:26 -0500 Subject: remote install success Message-ID: <20040102155826.GD847@debian> On the second attempt the remote install went perfectly. For those who are interested, my notes are at: http://xtrinsic.com/geek/config/remoteinstall.txt They really are notes though. A plain english version may follow, but I haven't decided yet. The two documents that I used (both listed at the top of my notes) are quite good and cover most of what needs to be known. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 19:33:40 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:33:40 -0500 Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <3FF5C793.BAC7CC90@onlink.net> I'm still trying to get a handle on whether or not I can have a different Reply-To address than my subscription address. Thanks, Chris A. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 19:34:59 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: 2 Jan 2004 19:34:59 -0000 Subject: test - please ignore Message-ID: <20040102193459.6784.qmail@onlink8.onlink.net> Replying to tlug from my webmail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2004 Jan 02 - 14:33 tlug at ss.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I'm still trying to get a handle on whether or not I can have a >different Reply-To >address than my subscription address. > >Thanks, > >Chris A. > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 19:40:00 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:40:00 -0500 Subject: test - please ignore References: <3FF5C793.BAC7CC90@onlink.net> Message-ID: <3FF5C910.35FDA0F9@onlink.net> I'm replying to this from my nsmail client. No more tests - I promise. Thanks, Chris Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm still trying to get a handle on whether or not I can have a > different Reply-To > address than my subscription address. > > Thanks, > > Chris A. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 17:27:27 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:27:27 +0200 (IST) Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > One of the biggest problems with DDS (and other) tapes is the inability to > restore except on the tape drive used to do that backup. This is caused > by head misalignment on the original drive, and makes the idea of disaster > recovery a joke when you consider that in a real disaster the original > drive probably went up in smoke. > > Anyone using tapes (particularly DDS) to backup important data[1] better > be testing restores on a _different_ tape drive. I do not agree fully. Incompatible tape mechanisms and backup tape horror stories are due to the strange ideas customers have about tape mechanism MTBFs. A tape mechanism belongs in a service center for checkup once at most every 1000 hours of use at the latest (better 500 hours, or once a year), assuming it runs in a low dust conditioned environment with no smoking and no copiers/laser printers allowed near it (some of the toner ends up as fine dust inside the surrounding machines), and with tapes properly stored and changed (no tape will last anywhere near 500 uses). The tests performed include compatibility testing, cleaning, and recording quality evaluation (ber) (which may mean you may have to buy a new tape drive if it works out low). By comparison a hard disk can rake up 20,000 hours (more than two years continuous 24/7/365) and sometimes much more without problems. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 18:03:17 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 20:03:17 +0200 (IST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040102041633.GA9579-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Can you post an example (short) so we can compile and test whether it works here ? Peter On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > I'm getting wierd results from GNU regcomp(3) and regexec(3). I can > only match letters and underscore with '\w', ie. '[A-Za-z_]' It doesn't > seem to match numbers. > > According to egrep(1), '\w' is letters, numbers, and underscore; and, > 'egrep' does work properly. > > Am I missing something? > - glibc-2.3.2, gcc-3.2.3, Slackware-9.1 > -- > William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, > Linux solution for data management and processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 20:28:52 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:28:52 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: <3FF5D484.5020909@rogers.com> Some of the Linux installations will be default grab all available memory when you create a partition, ,which means there's no memory left for other partitions. You need to rein it in, tell it it can only have so much room for /, make it give you some room for /home. Tom Chris Aitken wrote: >1. I am reinstalling linux because I whimped out on my last install >when I had trouble creating /home as a separate partition (I >had the error: could not allocate partition". I settled for only / >(9492 MB) and swap (510). Now I have a sick system. I could >troubleshoot it, but I would still have an installation with no separate > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 21:09:18 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:09:18 -0700 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040102210918.GA56625@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 03:31:54AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am starting my own business with the blessing of hrdc. Congrats! :) > 3. I could continue to use Pro Tools Free on W98SE for the music > recording > part of my business, but I would prefer to do everything in linux. This > is > important to the second phase of this business. I'll keep working > through > _The BOOK of LINUX MUSIC & SOUND_ by Dave Phillips (no starch press), > but that means it'll be a year (I'm not being dramatic) before I'm > recording > sound in linux. If anyone has done this, I'd love to hear from you. Depends what exactly you need to do with recording. AFAIK there is nothing quite like ProTools for Linux (just as even the GIMP is not quite Photoshop). For some basic multitrack editing, audacity exists. For more extensive multitrack recording, the answer seems to be ecasound. With ecasound, I'd suggest getting on the mailing list now, as the syntax can be daunting (it's a CLI app), and people are always asking questions which you may be interested in. And never underestimate the utility of sox and a script. ;) -- taa We are a society whose people and government are reluctant to accept what we now know about child development (and can easily confirm), because the solutions to the problem of social deviance do not fit our economic and political priorities. --James Kimmel, Ph.D. /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 21:24:10 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:24:10 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:03:17PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Can you post an example (short) so we can compile and test whether it > works here ? #include #include #include #include main () { regex_t preg; regmatch_t pmatch[1]; int a, b; char *test; if (regcomp (&preg, "\\w+", REG_EXTENDED) != 0) { puts ("error in regcomp()"); exit (1); } test = "abc_123"; if (regexec (&preg, test, 1, pmatch, 0) != 0) { puts ("error in regexec()"); exit (2); } a = pmatch[0].rm_so; b = pmatch[0].rm_eo; printf ("-- test={%s}, match={%s}\n", test, strndup (test + a, b - a)); regfree (&preg); } $ cc test.c -o test $ ./test -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_} What I expected is -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 21:41:30 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:41:30 -0500 Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <3FF5E58A.1070309@rogers.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Robert Brockway wrote: > I do not agree fully. Incompatible tape mechanisms and backup tape horror > stories are due to the strange ideas customers have about tape mechanism > MTBFs. A tape mechanism belongs in a service center for checkup once at > most every 1000 hours of use at the latest (better 500 hours, or once a > year), assuming it runs in a low dust conditioned environment with no > smoking and no copiers/laser printers allowed near it (some of the toner > ends up as fine dust inside the surrounding machines) And no programmers, who insist on smoking near the computers. Years ago, I serviced mini computers and there were a couple of programmers who'd be smoking while changing tapes or disk packs, despite being told not to. (this was before the no smoking laws) I also had to clean the cigarette ashes out of a lot of terminal keyboards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 21:48:03 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: <3FF5E58A.1070309-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <3FF5E58A.1070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > And no programmers, who insist on smoking near the computers. Years > ago, I serviced mini computers and there were a couple of programmers > who'd be smoking while changing tapes or disk packs, despite being told Wow. Few things are as bad for magnetic media as cigarette smoke. The particles in the smoke bond to the media _really_ well. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 22:12:45 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:12:45 -0500 Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DA@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <3FF5E58A.1070309@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3FF5ECDD.8010404@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > > >>And no programmers, who insist on smoking near the computers. Years >>ago, I serviced mini computers and there were a couple of programmers >>who'd be smoking while changing tapes or disk packs, despite being told > > > Wow. Few things are as bad for magnetic media as cigarette smoke. The > particles in the smoke bond to the media _really_ well. Yes, I know. I'm the guy who had to clean the heads on those drives. The cleaning pads would have a yellow tint to them. We also had occasional head crashes in the disk pack drives. I wonder how many of those were caused by the smoke? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 22:17:37 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:17:37 +0200 (IST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040102212410.GA4369-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Sorry, it's your installation. I compiled it and the result is: plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/0REGEXP > ./r -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} as expected. Try to compile using gcc instead of cc. I used cc as you did but on my system cc is actually a symbolic link to gcc. good luck, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 2 19:25:17 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 14:25:17 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200401021425.18116.wildberger@cogeco.ca> I compiled it with gcc on mdk9.1 and got the same result as William Park match={abc_} John On January 2, 2004 05:17 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Sorry, it's your installation. I compiled it and the result is: > > plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/0REGEXP > ./r > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} > > as expected. Try to compile using gcc instead of cc. I used cc as you did > but on my system cc is actually a symbolic link to gcc. > > good luck, > > Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 00:42:44 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:42:44 +0200 (IST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <200401021425.18116.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401021425.18116.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > I compiled it with gcc on mdk9.1 and got the same result as William Park > match={abc_} > John Eh ? Strange. I just recompiled with all warnings on: plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc -o r r.c -Wall --pedantic r.c:9: warning: return-type defaults to `int' r.c: In function `main': r.c:28: warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup' r.c:28: warning: format argument is not a pointer (arg 3) r.c:30: warning: control reaches end of non-void function I attach a binary linked against libc.so.6 and ld-linux.so.2 (file r) and the code as I copied it (file r.c). Also result of running the example under script (s.txt). My compiler is: plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc --version 2.7.2.3 Something is definitely wrong at your end. Maybe there is a character width thing problem or alignment due to strndup not being a proper pointer or ? -Wall shows strndup implied. strndup is in string.h but it is only defined if __USE_GNU is defined, via features.h, using: gcc -D_GNU_SOURCE -Wall --pedantic r.c -o r This makes no difference here (both versions produce the same result): plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > ./r -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} Maybe on your machines pointers are 64 bits and integers 32 ? sorry, no more ideas, Peter -------------- next part -------------- Script started on Sat Jan 3 02:30:04 2004 plp at plp:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > ./r -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} plp at plp:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > exit exit Script done on Sat Jan 3 02:30:10 2004 -------------- next part -------------- #include #include #include #include main () { regex_t preg; regmatch_t pmatch[1]; int a, b; char *test; if (regcomp (&preg, "\\w+", REG_EXTENDED) != 0) { puts ("error in regcomp()"); exit (1); } test = "abc_123"; if (regexec (&preg, test, 1, pmatch, 0) != 0) { puts ("error in regexec()"); exit (2); } a = pmatch[0].rm_so; b = pmatch[0].rm_eo; printf ("-- test={%s}, match={%s}\n", test, strndup (test + a, b - a)); regfree (&preg); } -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: r Type: application/octet-stream Size: 4890 bytes Desc: r URL: From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 04:19:38 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:19:38 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! Message-ID: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> We finally had success with a local Linux laptop supplier. (Phewf!) Angel Computers http://www.angelcomputer.com/ offers various laptops with Linux pre-installed (i.e.: no MS tax). We got the 3000C. It turns out they had problems actually installing Linux, but once they told us that that machine's really a relabelled Clevo M350C, all was good, and we got Debian on the thing. They're localted in Mississauga. We went down there in person to deal with them. Debian installation notes: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/m350c/ - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 14:37:10 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:37:10 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200401030937.10681.mr6re9@execulink.com> On Wednesday 03 December 2003 03:31, Chris Aitken wrote: > 2. Keeping in mind that want to get up and running again soon, is the > following still my easiest best option?: install rh 7.3 (good multimedia > > OS, with sound already compiled into the kernel) and upgrade to 8.0 (to > get Open Office and other goodies). > > 3. I could continue to use Pro Tools Free on W98SE for the music > recording > part of my business, but I would prefer to do everything in linux. This > is > important to the second phase of this business. I'll keep working > through > _The BOOK of LINUX MUSIC & SOUND_ by Dave Phillips (no starch press), > but that means it'll be a year (I'm not being dramatic) before I'm > recording > sound in linux. If anyone has done this, I'd love to hear from you. Have a look at what Planet CCRMA at home can offer. I found this the easiest way to get ALSA up and running. For a system where a sound card (or multiple sound cards) will be used intensively. http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/planetccrma.html farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 18:16:17 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:16:17 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: <3FF706F1.8050801@rogers.com> > 3. I could continue to use Pro Tools Free on W98SE for the music > recording part of my business, but I would prefer to do everything in linux. Maybe you could half'n'half it; run win98 inside linux as a vmware machine. I know that sounds kinda lame, but that kinda thing is really quite handy and I've been floored by how well the hardware emulation/sharing works. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 21:11:29 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 16:11:29 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... Message-ID: <3FF73001.3000009@alteeve.com> Hi all, Another update of the data recovery job... Action Front Data Recovery, the DR house we sent the drive to, seems to think they can recover the drive. Apparently the directory structure is somewhat corrupted but the data itself seems to be instact. Anywho, I will post a final update when they are finished (~Wednesday). THANK YOU ALL again for offering so much help, advice and concern! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 01:21:36 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:21:36 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh Message-ID: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> Any help would be appreciated; I've tried looking in all the obvious places first. Even some less obvious ones. At the moment I'm greying quickly... What I'd like to do is bridge two wired networks -- call them NET0 and NET1 -- using a Linux laptop with built-in ethernet (eth0) and a wireless PCMCIA card (eth1). I have the laptop wired into NET0 via eth0. Now each interface works fine all by itself. From the laptop I can ping machines on NET0 with no problem, and from other machines on NET0 I can ping both eth0 and eth1. Likewise, from the laptop I can ping machines on NET1 via eth1, and use the internet connection on NET1. Great. So eth0 = 192.168.0.12 on NET0 (192.168.0.xxx) eth1 = 192.168.0.22 on NET0 and traffic through eth1 is translated into 192.168.1.xxx addresses for NET1. The routing table on the laptop suggests that everything is fine: both eth0 and eth1 have destination 192.168.0.0 as routes, and there is only a single default gateway, defined on eth1, to 192.168.0.254 (which does the NAT). What I can't seem to do is get the packets from NET0 to NET1, unless they originate on the laptop. And I can't figure out why. I've tried a variety of configurations of iptables on the laptop; none of them have yet worked. The most promising script ran something like this: /sbin/iptables -F /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD DROP /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT After flushing the tables and enabling the loopback device, then it allows everything from eth0 (and hence NET0) in, to be forwarded to eth1 (and hence NET1). It only allows established connections back. But it doesn't work; each time I try to ping an address outside of 192.168.0.xxx from NET0, it fails, and tells me there is no route to the address (or hostname lookup failure if I tried using name resolution). The resolv.conf files are the same on the laptop and on machines on NET0. After a failed attempt to ping something, I run iptables -v -L and I can see that the INPUT and OUTPUT chains have seen the ping packets, but not the FORWARD chain. Where did I go wrong? (On *this* problem, that is!) -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Philosophy Department University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 (416)-978-8703 fax CANADA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 01:36:58 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 20:36:58 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: <20040104012136.GA13503-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> Message-ID: <3FF76E3A.8000006@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, I believe the policies "-P" should be set before any other rules. I am not sure if this will have any effect though. Otherwise the script looks OK. Try turning off all filtering and setting all policies to ACCEPT to see if it will work that way. Peter King wrote: > I've tried a variety of configurations of iptables on the laptop; none of > them have yet worked. The most promising script ran something like this: > > /sbin/iptables -F > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP > /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD DROP > /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT > - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/925FRreNkzrRRLQRAhOrAJwJL+c1nWonnN5aEjR78ncmjDpKKwCfQv4t d4EAbZItaQ+SgcaBnikDjj8= =Jl2h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 02:03:53 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:03:53 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: <3FF76E3A.8000006-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> <3FF76E3A.8000006@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040104020353.GA13642@socrates> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 08:36:58PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > I believe the policies "-P" should be set before any other rules. > > I am not sure if this will have any effect though. Otherwise the script > looks OK. Try turning off all filtering and setting all policies to > ACCEPT to see if it will work that way. The policies, since they technically aren't rules but policies, don't work the same way (first-match-wins). But in fact it doesn't make any difference whether they're at the start or the end. With the all filtering off, nothing happens -- that is: eth1 can talk to NET1, eth0 to NET0, but no packets from NET0 get to NET1 (except for those originating on the laptop). Dagnab it. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Philosophy Department University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 (416)-978-8703 fax CANADA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 02:07:03 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:07:03 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: <20040104012136.GA13503-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> Message-ID: <20040104020703.GA5268@paip.net> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 08:21:36PM -0500, Peter King wrote: > What I can't seem to do is get the packets from NET0 to NET1, unless they > originate on the laptop. And I can't figure out why. Do you have packet forwarding enabled on the laptop? # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 If it's 0, do: # echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 02:44:03 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 21:44:03 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: <20040104020703.GA5268-cOjNTMaGA5U@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> <20040104020703.GA5268@paip.net> Message-ID: <20040104024403.GA14151@socrates> On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 09:07:03PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: > Do you have packet forwarding enabled on the laptop? > > # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > 1 > > If it's 0, do: > > # echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward I'm using Debian, which requires a change to the file /etc/network/options with a line reading: ip_forward=yes That's a good guess, though, since the kind of non-response I get is exactly as though the packets were being lined up against the wall and shot by some piece of sentinel software gone berserk. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Philosophy Department University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 (416)-978-8703 fax CANADA All your base are belong to us... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 3 22:02:01 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:02:01 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401021425.18116.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200401031702.01849.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On January 2, 2004 07:42 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Eh ? Strange. I just recompiled with all warnings on: > > plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc -o r r.c -Wall --pedantic > r.c:9: warning: return-type defaults to `int' > r.c: In function `main': > r.c:28: warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup' > r.c:28: warning: format argument is not a pointer (arg 3) > r.c:30: warning: control reaches end of non-void function > plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc --version > 2.7.2.3 My compiler is gcc version 3.2.2 I got similar warnings as above. The last one is easy to correct by just adding a return 0; at the end. The implicit declaration warning is usually an indication that the header is either missing or internally it is bypassed (defined __USE_GNU ??) For what it is worth here are some comments: The printf() expects a number of 7 for b-a in order to give a result of {abc_123} To see what you have, introduce a printf("a= %d b=%d \n", a,b); ahead of your printf(..) . You will see that a=0, and b=4. This will give you the result {abc_} without the missing 123. Maybe this will help. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 09:42:48 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 04:42:48 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <200401031702.01849.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401031702.01849.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200401040442.48704.wildberger@cogeco.ca> The saga continues: I compiled the test program on Debian kernel 2.4.14 with gcc ver 2.95.4 The value of a=0, b=7 and the result is as to be expected {abc_123} John On January 3, 2004 05:02 pm, John Wildberger wrote: > On January 2, 2004 07:42 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Eh ? Strange. I just recompiled with all warnings on: > > > > plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc -o r r.c -Wall --pedantic > > r.c:9: warning: return-type defaults to `int' > > r.c: In function `main': > > r.c:28: warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup' > > r.c:28: warning: format argument is not a pointer (arg 3) > > r.c:30: warning: control reaches end of non-void function > > > > plp-NSb0HxlTAbs at public.gmane.org:~/PROJECTS/REGEXP > gcc --version > > 2.7.2.3 > > My compiler is gcc version 3.2.2 > I got similar warnings as above. > The last one is easy to correct by just adding a return 0; at the end. > The implicit declaration warning is usually an indication that the header > is either missing or internally it is bypassed (defined __USE_GNU ??) For > what it is worth here are some comments: > The printf() expects a number of 7 for b-a in order to give a result of > {abc_123} > To see what you have, introduce a printf("a= %d b=%d \n", a,b); > ahead of your printf(..) . You will see that a=0, and b=4. This will give > you the result {abc_} without the missing 123. > Maybe this will help. > John > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 17:19:22 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:19:22 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040102212410.GA4369-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:24:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > $ cc test.c -o test > $ ./test > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_} > > What I expected is > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} What are your various LOCALE settings? This seems like just the kind of problem that an incorrect setting would cause. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 19:09:24 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:09:24 -0500 Subject: [caret question] Message-ID: <200401041409.24659.mr6re9@execulink.com> I was curious to know if there is a simple explanation for the string (7F) in the way it is displayed in various text editors. caret_questionmark in: 1) gedit displays what looks like a tiny floppy icon 2) kmail shows a box 3) pico has one infinite line of caret's but only reads three characters 4) vi shows the caret and questionmark as though a link (blue) Perplexed, farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 19:11:00 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:11:00 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040104171922.GC5268-cOjNTMaGA5U@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> Message-ID: <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:24:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > $ cc test.c -o test > > $ ./test > > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_} > > > > What I expected is > > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} > > What are your various LOCALE settings? This seems like just the kind of > problem that an incorrect setting would cause. $ locale LANG=C LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL= -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 19:19:10 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 04 Jan 2004 14:19:10 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: <20040104012136.GA13503-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> Message-ID: Peter King writes: > > Any help would be appreciated; I've tried looking in all the obvious > places first. Even some less obvious ones. At the moment I'm greying > quickly... > > What I'd like to do is bridge two wired networks -- call them NET0 and > NET1 -- using a Linux laptop with built-in ethernet (eth0) and a wireless > PCMCIA card (eth1). I have the laptop wired into NET0 via eth0. Now each > interface works fine all by itself. From the laptop I can ping machines > on NET0 with no problem, and from other machines on NET0 I can ping both > eth0 and eth1. Likewise, from the laptop I can ping machines on NET1 via > eth1, and use the internet connection on NET1. Great. > > So eth0 = 192.168.0.12 on NET0 (192.168.0.xxx) > eth1 = 192.168.0.22 on NET0 That doesn't look right. Why do you have two interfaces on the same network (i.e. with same netmask and broadcast address). Unless you're using advanced routing tools to do load balancing or some such, this won't work. > and traffic through eth1 is translated into 192.168.1.xxx addresses for > NET1. This suggests you want: eth1 = 192.168.1.22 on NET1 > The routing table on the laptop suggests that everything is fine: > both eth0 and eth1 have destination 192.168.0.0 as routes, and there is > only a single default gateway, defined on eth1, to 192.168.0.254 (which > does the NAT). That doesn't sound fine to me. Unless you're doing something special (and it doesn't sound like you are), different interfaces should have distinct addresses and routes, and your default route should be reachable via only one interface. > What I can't seem to do is get the packets from NET0 to NET1, unless they > originate on the laptop. And I can't figure out why. Unless I'm not understanding your setup, I think it's your addressing. As you've described it, there's no reason of Linux to forward packets between eth0 and eth1 since they're on the same network. > I've tried a variety of configurations of iptables on the laptop; none of > them have yet worked. The most promising script ran something like this: > > /sbin/iptables -F > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT > /sbin/iptables -P INPUT DROP > /sbin/iptables -P FORWARD DROP > /sbin/iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT Get your addressing and routing straightened out before installing any packet filters. If you can't route between these two networks w/o iptables, you won't be able to do it with iptables. > After flushing the tables and enabling the loopback device, then it allows > everything from eth0 (and hence NET0) in, to be forwarded to eth1 (and hence > NET1). It only allows established connections back. But it doesn't work; each > time I try to ping an address outside of 192.168.0.xxx from NET0, it fails, > and tells me there is no route to the address (or hostname lookup failure if > I tried using name resolution). The resolv.conf files are the same on the > laptop and on machines on NET0. > > After a failed attempt to ping something, I run iptables -v -L and I can see that > the INPUT and OUTPUT chains have seen the ping packets, but not the FORWARD chain. With iptables, INPUT, OUTPUT, and FORWARD chains are completely separate. That is, packets which are to be forwarded (based on a routing decision) never hit the INPUT or OUTPUT tables (unlike with ipchains and ipfwadm). The fact that these packets are hitting your INPUT and OUTPUT chains is strong evidence you have a basic addressing/routing problem as I've suggested. Now, I may have misunderstood what you're trying to do. Perhaps you can follow up with some ASCII art and include your netmasks as well as a dump of your routing table. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 19:25:15 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:25:15 -0500 Subject: [caret question] In-Reply-To: <200401041409.24659.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401041409.24659.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <1073244314.6214.5.camel@rincewind.discworld> Basically, all of those programs are generally designed to deal with standard ASCII text. When they run in to undisplayable characters (such as 0x7F) how they get shown is up to the program. Things like gedit and kmail will give some kind of icon which represents an undisplayable character. vi and pico, being traditionally text based, show it in a different manner. On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 14:09, GDHough wrote: > I was curious to know if there is a simple explanation for the questionmark> string (7F) in the way it is displayed in various text editors. > > caret_questionmark in: > > 1) gedit displays what looks like a tiny floppy icon > 2) kmail shows a box > 3) pico has one infinite line of caret's but only reads three characters > 4) vi shows the caret and questionmark as though a link (blue) > > Perplexed, > farmer6re9 -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 19:21:15 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:21:15 -0500 Subject: Linux and PIC development Message-ID: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> Greetings, For some odd reason, boredom or a desire to learn something new, I decided to get involved with PIC development (http://asp.microchip.com/wwwParamChart/Tree.aspx?mid=&treeid=1&wdid=132&gdir=1010). I was nearly put off MCU tinkering thanks to the 68HC11 over a decade ago, but memories fade ;) Also picked up this book by a Toronto guy called Myke Predko, think it was called 'Programming and Customizing PIC Microcontrollers', came with a PCB for a parallel port driven programmer called the 'El Cheapo' (it uses the ICSP feature of the newer PICs), so I built it up and it worked AOK. Also ordered in the PICKit1 starter kit from Microchip which is USB driven. I rather like the Windows IDE called MPLAB that came with the product (5x with the book, 6.30.x with the PICKit1), so I figured I'd whip up a Win98 VMWARE image (vmware 4.0.5) so I could use it in Linux. No go, especially for the parallel port programmer. Not unexpected, oh well. Tried alot of tweaks, no go still. Some USB problems, but frig it, I want 'em both working on the same box. The short of this is that I'd like to know if anyone is a PIC hacker on this list, and what they use for their devel environment. I know CLI linux tools exist, I have a few, but I'd like to avail myself of/leech off of other peoples experience... any hints, tips or tricks, or secret PIC IDEs you've got stashed away? ;) I don't want to go back to windows, VMWARE or otherwise after this hassle. Later & Thanks, Happy New Year, Byron P.S. I'm aiming for 16F84A devel, but also very interested in the 12F675 as one came with the PICKit1. Got a rail of 16F84A (Qty:4) so I'm willing to trade, for favours or good Karma, let me know if interested. P.P.S. Good BASIC compiler info is always welcome too, I don't feel like/can't afford forking over $250 for PicBasic Pro (http://www.melabs.com/products/pbp.htm) though I quite like the feature set. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 20:27:08 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:27:08 +0200 (IST) Subject: scary way to use the power of the internet Message-ID: from 2001: http://www.nd.edu/~parasite/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 21:19:43 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:19:43 +0200 (IST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040104191100.GA3258-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William, did you try to compile using -DUSE_GNU_SOURCE -Wall ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 21:23:16 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:23:16 +0200 (IST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <3FF867AB.4040606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> Message-ID: Join the piclist (use google to locate it) at MIT. I've been picing for 9 years now and been on that list for a few. The list has a searchable archive which you probably want to use. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 16:51:34 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040104191100.GA3258-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200401041151.34779.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On January 4, 2004 02:11 pm, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 12:19:22PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:24:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > > $ cc test.c -o test > > > $ ./test > > > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_} > > > > > > What I expected is > > > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} > > > > What are your various LOCALE settings? This seems like just the kind of > > problem that an incorrect setting would cause. I think the problem is more compiler related than related to LOCAL settings. It appears that gcc compilers with versiojn 3.x.x interpret the regex \w as 'word' characters that do not include digits. You can try to use any test word you like and you will find that match will stop at the first encounter of a digit. There might be a good reason for this, but nowhere have I found any explanation in documents related to gcc 3.x.x. No problems with any distro that has gcc 2.x.x. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:04:38 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:04:38 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040104220438.GA5208@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:19:43PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > William, did you try to compile using -DUSE_GNU_SOURCE -Wall ? Yes, and the result is the same. Funny thing is... 'egrep' gives conflicting results. Eg. $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\w+' abc_ $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\W+' One should be inverse of the other. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:08:12 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:08:12 -0500 Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:23:16PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Join the piclist (use google to locate it) at MIT. I've been picing > for 9 years now and been on that list for a few. The list has a > searchable archive which you probably want to use. Just curious... What can you do with it? Can you give some applications (profitable or not) that it can be used for? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:29:39 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:29:39 +0200 (IST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040104220438.GA5208-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104220438.GA5208@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:19:43PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > William, did you try to compile using -DUSE_GNU_SOURCE -Wall ? > > Yes, and the result is the same. Funny thing is... 'egrep' gives > conflicting results. Eg. > $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\w+' > abc_ > $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\W+' This is really weird. Are you using the new Slackware distro ? (9.0 or what it was ?) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:34:14 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:34:14 +0200 (IST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <20040104220812.GB5208-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:23:16PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > Join the piclist (use google to locate it) at MIT. I've been picing > > for 9 years now and been on that list for a few. The list has a > > searchable archive which you probably want to use. > > Just curious... What can you do with it? Can you give some > applications (profitable or not) that it can be used for? Just about anything that will run in up to 16k of rom in a single chip, at up to 40MHz clock with several peripherals on chip, inluding a/d and d/a. Say, mouse, heating controller, remote countrol (ir or rf), toys, alarms, robots, basically your average 'computer' box with a few buttons and a display, of the likes of the ones controlling your heater, microwave oven, tv remote etc etc etc. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:48:40 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:48:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040104220438.GA5208-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104171922.GC5268@paip.net> <20040104191100.GA3258@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104220438.GA5208@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:19:43PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > William, did you try to compile using -DUSE_GNU_SOURCE -Wall ? > > Yes, and the result is the same. Funny thing is... 'egrep' gives > conflicting results. Eg. > $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\w+' > abc_ > $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\W+' > > One should be inverse of the other. Mandrake 9.0 and 9.2: $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\w+' abc_123 $ echo abc_123 | egrep -o '\W+' $ -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:50:25 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:50:25 -0500 Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: ; from plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg@public.gmane.org on Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 12:34:14AM +0200 References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040104175025.A26046@ee.ryerson.ca> Not to start a religious war, but there are other microprocessors with the same functionality as the PIC but with much nicer architectures. The PIC requires bank switching of registers and page switching of memory, which can get ugly. (On the other hand, programming it in C hides many of these features.) I ported a medium-sized assembly language program from the Motorola 68HC11 to a pic processor, and it was not fun. The assembly language is not as easy to read as some other devices. Atmel and Motorola make devices that are attractive alternatives. On the other hand, the PIC is very popular among our students who use it frequently for projects. After they've used it, they either love the thing or hate it. Peter On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 12:34:14AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 11:23:16PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > > Join the piclist (use google to locate it) at MIT. I've been picing > > > for 9 years now and been on that list for a few. The list has a > > > searchable archive which you probably want to use. > > > > Just curious... What can you do with it? Can you give some > > applications (profitable or not) that it can be used for? > > Just about anything that will run in up to 16k of rom in a single chip, at > up to 40MHz clock with several peripherals on chip, inluding a/d and d/a. > Say, mouse, heating controller, remote countrol (ir or rf), toys, alarms, > robots, basically your average 'computer' box with a few buttons and a > display, of the likes of the ones controlling your heater, microwave oven, > tv remote etc etc etc. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 00:17:46 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:17:46 -0500 Subject: Wireless Bridge, aaarrgghhh In-Reply-To: References: <20040104012136.GA13503@socrates> Message-ID: <20040105001746.GA24179@socrates> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 02:19:10PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > So eth0 = 192.168.0.12 on NET0 (192.168.0.xxx) > > eth1 = 192.168.0.22 on NET0 > > That doesn't look right. Why do you have two interfaces on the same network > (i.e. with same netmask and broadcast address). Unless you're using advanced > routing tools to do load balancing or some such, this won't work. Right you are -- once I gave NET0 a different set of network addresses, and threw in the relevant iptables command for SNAT, it all Just Works. (That should really be the slogan for Linux: Once you get it configured, then, well, It Just Works.) Thanks for the suggestion! All is well now. -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Philosophy Department University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 (416)-978-8703 fax CANADA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 01:38:55 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:38:55 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> <3FF706F1.8050801@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF@onlink.net> Byron Sonne wrote: > > 3. I could continue to use Pro Tools Free on W98SE for the music > > recording part of my business, but I would prefer to do everything in linux. > > Maybe you could half'n'half it; run win98 inside linux as a vmware > machine. I know that sounds kinda lame, but that kinda thing is really > quite handy and I've been floored by how well the hardware > emulation/sharing works. Really? That is intriguing. I hate rebooting between OSs (it is dual-boot W98SE/ redhat 7.3 at the moment). I don't mind VMWARE getting my hundred bucks (am I being naive here?), but I'll want it to work. It's an 800 Duron. That would be penutlimate to Heaven - work on Pro Tools Free in W98 SE and switch without reboots to linux for email, AbiWord, and expermenting with sound recording in linux! But is that the most likely to be better than crossover or win4lin for running Pro Tools Free in Windows 98 SE to record musical instruments? Chris A. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 03:02:57 2004 From: gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org (Gil Hauer) Date: 04 Jan 2004 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> <3FF706F1.8050801@rogers.com> <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1073271776.16521.28.camel@fatman.technolog.ca> One of the important constraints that I've found is not so much CPU power but the amount of RAM available on the machine. I've happily run VMWARE on a 900MHZ P3 with 512 MB of ram. Gil On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 20:38, Chris Aitken wrote: > Byron Sonne wrote: > > > > 3. I could continue to use Pro Tools Free on W98SE for the music > > > recording part of my business, but I would prefer to do everything in linux. > > > > Maybe you could half'n'half it; run win98 inside linux as a vmware > > machine. I know that sounds kinda lame, but that kinda thing is really > > quite handy and I've been floored by how well the hardware > > emulation/sharing works. > > Really? That is intriguing. I hate rebooting between OSs (it is dual-boot W98SE/ > redhat 7.3 at the moment). I don't mind VMWARE getting my hundred bucks (am > I being naive here?), but I'll want it to work. It's an 800 Duron. That would be > penutlimate > to Heaven - work on Pro Tools Free in W98 SE and switch without reboots to linux > for > email, AbiWord, and expermenting with sound recording in linux! > > But is that the most likely to be better than crossover or win4lin for running Pro > > Tools Free in Windows 98 SE to record musical instruments? > > Chris A. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 06:31:17 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 01:31:17 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... In-Reply-To: <3FF73001.3000009-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF73001.3000009@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FF904B5.7000304@rogers.com> > THANK YOU ALL again for offering so much help, advice and concern! Having gone to data recovery houses in the past 3 or 4 times, and having a %0 percent success rate, I've always got my ears out for this kinda thing. Wondering why it never worked for me/my employer but there are numerous success stories. Maybe we ran over some dude from Memofix's cat ;) -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 12:35:51 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:35:51 -0500 Subject: [caret question] In-Reply-To: <1073244314.6214.5.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org> References: <200401041409.24659.mr6re9@execulink.com> <1073244314.6214.5.camel@rincewind.discworld> Message-ID: <200401050735.51344.mr6re9@execulink.com> On Sunday 04 January 2004 14:25, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > Basically, all of those programs are generally designed to deal with > standard ASCII text. When they run in to undisplayable characters (such > as 0x7F) how they get shown is up to the program. Things like gedit and > kmail will give some kind of icon which represents an undisplayable > character. vi and pico, being traditionally text based, show it in a > different manner. > So this is normally how unicode is handled by different applications? Unpredictably? It peaked my curiosity when I was studying some SHELLCODE x86 unicode NOOP alerts from snort. The same packets viewed with ACID (using Galeon) show the caret_questionmark as a blank. About all I learned googleing was there is a strange language called INTERCAL... If five different text viewers display five different things, which one is telling the truth? My inclination is to stick with vi. But then I am still wondering if since this causes unpredictable behavior in x86, is it something to be concerned with? Thanks, farmer6re9 > On Sun, 2004-01-04 at 14:09, GDHough wrote: > > I was curious to know if there is a simple explanation for the > questionmark> string (7F) in the way it is displayed in various text > > editors. > > > > caret_questionmark in: > > > > 1) gedit displays what looks like a tiny floppy icon > > 2) kmail shows a box > > 3) pico has one infinite line of caret's but only reads three characters > > 4) vi shows the caret and questionmark as though a link (blue) > > > > Perplexed, > > farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 14:09:50 2004 From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:09:50 -0500 Subject: Linux and PIC development References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> Message-ID: In article <3FF867AB.4040606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>, Byron Sonne wrote: >For some odd reason, boredom or a desire to learn something new, I >decided to get involved with PIC development >(http://asp.microchip.com/wwwParamChart/Tree.aspx?mid=&treeid=1&wdid=132&gdir=1010). >I was nearly put off MCU tinkering thanks to the 68HC11 over a decade >ago, but memories fade ;) [ ... ] Not that I can help much now (I'm not a PIC hacker at this exact moment). Just felt the urge to make noise. My preferred development environment has been a good editor plus an ICE and programmer, plus the old Cross-32 Meta Assembler. The assembler is payware, and I don't know that it's supported any more, but it was retargetable, and let me boot myself into programming 68HCxx, 64180 and H8/300, with a look at PIC and a couple of other lines along the way. For production I too went with MPLAB, because it was "standard", and because it alone let me use the PICStart programmer. Succsessive versions got to be a bit of a pain as they started to insist on doing more for me than I wanted. At some point MPLAB insisted on opening a project, and this broke the procedure I'd set up where production people could open an object file to program a few chips on the PICStart. I didn't see the need to tempt them with the source code.. I had to keep an MPLAB 5 (I think it was) installation around just for them. >P.S. I'm aiming for 16F84A devel, but also very interested in the 12F675 >as one came with the PICKit1. Got a rail of 16F84A (Qty:4) so I'm >willing to trade, for favours or good Karma, let me know if interested. A name I trust on comp.arch.embedded just said that 16F48s are passe (I forget the exact word he used) and 16F628 are the thing to use. Of course that's no reason to waste a rail of chips. I know we're rather off topic, but if you want to post occasional progress reports here, I'll be happy to read them. Regards. Mel. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 15:52:02 2004 From: gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org (Gil Hauer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:52:02 -0500 Subject: Open Letter to the Government of Newfoundland Message-ID: <1073317921.4757.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here's an interesting letter, related to the efforts in moving the City of Toronto to an OSS solution ... http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2004-01-05-013-26-OS-SW-PB Gil -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 16:23:26 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:23:26 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040105162326.FBMD73768.web01-imail.rogers.com@localhost> While not linux related, I know we have quite the varied crowd at TLUG that is well versed in many technical aspects. I figured I'd throw this one out there and see if anyone can provide some useful info. I have a TV Tuner (ATI TV Wonder Pro) in one of my machines that I occasionally use to watch tv. On top of that, I occasionally plug in other devices into the card using composite inputs (the TV Wonder Pro comes with a convenient lil' box that has S video and composite inputs). I can then switch the input in the tv tuner software to composite and off I go, using whatever device I've attached. Under all circumstances, the quality of the video (be it originating from cable tv or some other device) is definitely worse than it is on a tv. I know this probably has something to do with the difference in native resolutions (lines vs pixels?), but... Is there any way I can improve the quality of the signal so it actually looks good on a monitor? Or am I bound to the crappy quality of a tv signal on a monitor that has a far higher resolution than a tv? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated =) -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 17:59:01 2004 From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:59:01 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <3ff9a5e5.33a.6ae7.16885@cogeco.ca> Hi Matt, Try to connect a regular televison set to the cable tv "F" cable that usually connects to your computer ati card, and compare the quaility of the picture of the tv monitor versus the quality of the picture from the computer window. If the quality is similar, then you likely have a bad cable going to your computer room or maybe a faulty cable splitter, or an incorrectly terminated "F" connector on one of the ends of your cable. Beyond all of that, you can try to select field mode on the ati all in wonder control panel instead of frame mode. My ati card also looks subjectively a llttle more noisey then a regular tv set... This is likely a failing of buying a hundred dollar tv card instead of a $8,000 pro capture card... Oh well, I hope this helps! Dan > Under all circumstances, the quality of the video (be it originating from cable tv or some other device) is definitely > worse than it is on a tv > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated =) > -Matt > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 19:23:04 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <20040104175025.A26046-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040104175025.A26046@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Not to start a religious war, but there are other microprocessors with the > same functionality as the PIC but with much nicer architectures. The PIC > requires bank switching of registers and page switching of memory, which can > get ugly... Correction: the PIC requires those things *IF* your program and data go beyond certain sizes. Where the PICs really shine is for problems which don't hit those size thresholds. Within those limits, they're perfectly reasonable machines, with simple architectures, relatively high speed, and gobs of choices for on-chip peripherals etc. (Above those limits, yes, they're awkward and unclean.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 19:33:35 2004 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:33:35 -0500 Subject: GNU regcomp(3), regexec(3): '\w' In-Reply-To: <20040102212410.GA4369-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040102041633.GA9579@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040102212410.GA4369@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040105193335.GA2635@gondolin.dyndns.org> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 04:24:10PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 08:03:17PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Can you post an example (short) so we can compile and test whether it > > works here ? > $ cc test.c -o test > $ ./test > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_} > What I expected is > -- test={abc_123}, match={abc_123} Works fine under Debian unstable, 3.3.3 prerelease, glibc 2.3.2. (Specifically gcc version 3.3.3 20031229 (prerelease) (Debian)) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 19:32:02 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:32:02 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040105193202.TXLF23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Good point, though I think the cable (as in cable tv) is not likely the problem. I've done a test with hooking up a Playstation 2 directly to my ati card, and then to a tv. The quality on the monitor is definitely worse, and the only cables at play here are the composite video/audio from the source (PS2) to the display. I'll try the field mode setting, I've never tinkered with it. As an aside, I've found this device from ViewSonic... I wonder if it'd make much difference: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/video_box_nextvisionn5.htm Thanks for your suggestions, -Matt > > From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > Date: 2004/01/05 Mon PM 12:59:01 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > CC: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org > Subject: re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: replyAll URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 19:56:57 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:56:57 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions In-Reply-To: <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> <3FF706F1.8050801@rogers.com> <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040105195657.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:38:55PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Byron Sonne wrote: > > Maybe you could half'n'half it; run win98 inside linux as a vmware > > machine. I know that sounds kinda lame, but that kinda thing is really > > quite handy and I've been floored by how well the hardware > > emulation/sharing works. > > Really? That is intriguing. I hate rebooting between OSs (it is dual-boot W98SE/ > redhat 7.3 at the moment). I don't mind VMWARE getting my hundred bucks (am > I being naive here?), but I'll want it to work. It's an 800 Duron. That would be > penutlimate > to Heaven - work on Pro Tools Free in W98 SE and switch without reboots to linux > for > email, AbiWord, and expermenting with sound recording in linux! > > But is that the most likely to be better than crossover or win4lin for running Pro > > Tools Free in Windows 98 SE to record musical instruments? VMWare is running real windows, not a partially emulated one, so all software runs perfectly. On the other hand you aren't talking directly to the hardware (since that is the part that is being emulated to some extent), so expect much much higher delays for sound coming in and going out than you would running windows directly. I don't know if what you are doing requires syncing between what you are recording and what you recorded before, but if it does that could be a big problem. Some of the applications that are using ALSA on Linux on the other hand have become very impresive in how low the latency is (from what I understand they rival or in some cases beat ASIO). I only play around with midi for fun, and don't do any recording of sound, so I don't know what is around for that, but something must be. The libjack and alsa and such don't exist just because someone thought it would be fun to write. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:09:02 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:09:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> >> 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to >> open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. IMHO, simply backing up to tape isn't enough. Tapes are slow write devices, and any changes to data during the write process isn't captured accurately. I also don't like backing onto tape direct from a live server for the same reason. A solution is simple as using rsync to copy the data to a back-up server so the data snapshot has a lower timestamp spread and make the backup to the tape from the snapshot. This gives 2 copies of the data, and allows fast access to the most recent backup from a hard drive, and also gives you the time to make the tape transfer without any time pressures. -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:27:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:27:11 -0500 Subject: When will the persecution of MS *end*?! In-Reply-To: <3FE46A67.20201-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20031219041045.GA265@node1.opengeometry.net> <20031219042437.FTYH317816.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <20031219044923.GA441@node1.opengeometry.net> <3FE444E2.6030101@rogers.com> <3FE46A67.20201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040105202711.GB7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:27:35AM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > I used Stacker on my zip100 work disks. Now I have data trapped untill > the day when I set up a Win3.1 box and install the Stacker4 disks I > found at Goodwill. > That day is a long way off, but I guard the floppies that constitute the > shred of hope > that someday I'll get those files back ! Hmm, I always thought using .zip or something was better for removeable media. > Long live open standards ! Certainly safer for your data in the long term. I wonder when companies will start to realize that. > ps. I once use "MSBackup" only to find that the following version could > not access the > earlier versions backups. I will have no sympathy for the borg, as I > watch their ship implode. Except for the version of restore.exe included with win95 on the cd as an extra which reads EVERY version of backup microsoft ever released with DOS. Turned out to be very useful for some people's very old floppy "backups". Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:45:50 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:45:50 -0500 Subject: Data recovery emergency on a downed server... Help please!! In-Reply-To: <3FF1E991.8010103-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32803.64.231.131.25.1072675385.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <001501c3cdd9$777ffe20$0301a8c0@amazon> <33148.64.231.131.25.1072681697.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <3FF0447D.5050803@truxtar.com> <33284.64.231.131.25.1072713105.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <20031229231230.GA7005@m433> <3FF0B8FF.8030302@rogers.com> <009d01c3ce77$13a9a1a0$c07ba8c0@dave> <3FF0E77C.2000407@rogers.com> <3FF1E991.8010103@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040105204550.GC7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 04:09:37PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi again Byron, > > Oh, I would say I know a little about RAID... ;) > > I don't ship a server without -at least- RAID 1 and the new > replacement server does indeed have two Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 SATA > 120GB drives in software RAID 1 but alas the server that dies was > inherited and built on "budget" parts... > > I am also implementing a tape rotation on a new DDS4 drive where > there is a tape for Mon-Thu then four Fri tapes to be rotated. Others > have recommended the same scheme like you, and I have personally > implemented this scheme for years and it works like a charm... Make sure the backup script does a read verify on the tape too. In my experience DDS is among the least reliable tapes around and don't last very many uses at all before they start failing (unlike DLT and other non helical scan tapes). I doubt I would ever use a helical scan tape drive for a backup (not that I currently have any tape drives). The head/tape wear is just too high. > I'll post an update in a sec... Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:53:18 2004 From: gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org (Gil Hauer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:53:18 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <1073335994.5860.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 15:09, Keith Mastin wrote: > >> 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to > >> open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. > > IMHO, simply backing up to tape isn't enough. Tapes are slow write > devices, and any changes to data during the write process isn't captured > accurately. I also don't like backing onto tape direct from a live server > for the same reason. A solution is simple as using rsync to copy the data > to a back-up server so the data snapshot has a lower timestamp spread and > make the backup to the tape from the snapshot. > Another solution is to use LVM, create a extra snapshot partition and do a 'snapshot' of the active partition. Then back up the data in the snapshot. That being said, I'm using rdiff-backup right now since I don't have time to swap 14 2GB tapes on my slow tape drive :) Gil -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:21:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:21:11 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <20040103041938.GS2377-cOjNTMaGA5U@public.gmane.org> References: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> Message-ID: <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:19:38PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: > We finally had success with a local Linux laptop supplier. (Phewf!) > > Angel Computers http://www.angelcomputer.com/ offers various laptops > with Linux pre-installed (i.e.: no MS tax). We got the 3000C. It turns > out they had problems actually installing Linux, but once they told us > that that machine's really a relabelled Clevo M350C, all was good, and > we got Debian on the thing. They're localted in Mississauga. We went > down there in person to deal with them. > > Debian installation notes: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/m350c/ I think it would be even nicer if the pcmcia stuff and the kernel had been done properly as debian packages. make-kpkg (from kernel-package) makes building and packaging a kernel very easy under debian (and has some other advantages for any additional modules you may want built for the kernel). I suspect backports already exist of the pcmcia stuff, or at least one should be easy to make. Great to know that at least someone offers non windows poluted laptops. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:28:03 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:28:03 -0500 Subject: [caret question] In-Reply-To: <200401050735.51344.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401041409.24659.mr6re9@execulink.com> <1073244314.6214.5.camel@rincewind.discworld> <200401050735.51344.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20040105212802.GE7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 07:35:51AM -0500, GDHough wrote: > On Sunday 04 January 2004 14:25, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > > Basically, all of those programs are generally designed to deal with > > standard ASCII text. When they run in to undisplayable characters (such > > as 0x7F) how they get shown is up to the program. Things like gedit and > > kmail will give some kind of icon which represents an undisplayable > > character. vi and pico, being traditionally text based, show it in a > > different manner. > > > So this is normally how unicode is handled by different applications? > Unpredictably? No, it is handled predictably by unicode aware applications, which is bascially not most of them. I think vim can do unicode given the right terminal environment and such. ':help utf' at least mentions it in vim 6.x. > It peaked my curiosity when I was studying some SHELLCODE x86 unicode NOOP > alerts from snort. The same packets viewed with ACID (using Galeon) show the > caret_questionmark as a blank. About all I learned googleing was there is a > strange language called INTERCAL... > > If five different text viewers display five different things, which one is > telling the truth? My inclination is to stick with vi. But then I am still > wondering if since this causes unpredictable behavior in x86, is it something > to be concerned with? Well unicode is NOT ascii, so any ascii application can do (or not do) whatever it wants when it sees anything that isn't ascii. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:32:01 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:32:01 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040105193202.TXLF23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040105193202.TXLF23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <20040105213200.GF7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 02:32:02PM -0500, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Good point, though I think the cable (as in cable tv) is not likely the problem. I've done a test with hooking up a Playstation 2 directly to my ati card, and then to a tv. The quality on the monitor is definitely worse, and the only cables at play here are the composite video/audio from the source (PS2) to the display. > > I'll try the field mode setting, I've never tinkered with it. As an aside, I've found this device from ViewSonic... I wonder if it'd make much difference: > > http://www.viewsonic.com/products/video_box_nextvisionn5.htm I have VERY bad experiences with anything that causes the monitor cable length to increase (ghosting of the signal, ie 5 mouse pointers side by side getting fainter as). I doubt that little box has the needed electronics to capture the signal and repeat it to avoid degredation. It might make TV and video look better on the monitor, but you have to switch (as far as I understand it) between just watching the video stuff or just watching the computer output. I don't think it can put it in a window or mix it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:48:38 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:48:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040105162326.FBMD73768.web01-imail.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040105162326.FBMD73768.web01-imail.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Is there any way I can improve the quality of the signal so it actually > looks good on a monitor? Or am I bound to the crappy quality of a tv > signal on a monitor that has a far higher resolution than a tv? First you need to know in what way the signal is bad. Get a color bar chart and a resolution chart and a grayscale chart and look at them through your setup (preferrably using a camera and somewhat proper ligting on the chart). Then you will know what needs fixing. In my experience looking at video material with a bttv-based card yielded better results on the computer monitor than on a good quality professional video monitor. The bttv card resolves 360 lines (720 pixels) (pal) which most TVs don't. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 20:40:10 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 22:40:10 +0200 (IST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <20040104175025.A26046-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104175025.A26046@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Not to start a religious war, but there are other microprocessors with the > same functionality as the PIC but with much nicer architectures. The PIC > requires bank switching of registers and page switching of memory, which can > get ugly. (On the other hand, programming it in C hides many of these > features.) I ported a medium-sized assembly language program from the > Motorola 68HC11 to a pic processor, and it was not fun. The assembly > language is not as easy to read as some other devices. Correct. I actually use pics for bit-banging applications, because the timing is very predictable, and atmel and others for anything else. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:44:20 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:44:20 -0500 Subject: now off topic: Formatting in C++ (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200312310911.21145.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200312310911.21145.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040105214420.GG7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 09:11:21AM -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > I find it always amusing when highly intelligent people start arguing about > the pros and cons of computer languages. They are all designed to fill a need > to accomplish certain tasks. As people have different needs, they will use > different tools. The degree of complexity is no measure for comparing one > language with another. Languages evolve from simple to more complex to > accommodate more and more sophisticred needs. > The C++ language bears evidence to this. This makes it more valuable rather > than less. For just understanding basic concepts ObjectiveC is a fine > language. I wonder if Java exists for the purpose of making money for Sun? I imagine that is the purpose of C# for MicroSoft. Some languages seem to do just fine without having their syntax changed over the years. I guess some people put more effort into design than revision, or in other words, do the job right the first time around. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:48:16 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:48:16 +0200 (IST) Subject: punched card editor software ? Message-ID: Does such a thing exist ? (open source/linux preferred) I mean a graphical editor that simulates editing a p.c. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:49:13 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:49:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040105214913.VWBC23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > > From: "Peter L. Peres" > Date: 2004/01/05 Mon PM 03:48:38 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Matthew Godycki wrote: > > > Is there any way I can improve the quality of the signal so it actually > > looks good on a monitor? Or am I bound to the crappy quality of a tv > > signal on a monitor that has a far higher resolution than a tv? > > First you need to know in what way the signal is bad. Get a color bar > chart and a resolution chart and a grayscale chart and look at them > through your setup (preferrably using a camera and somewhat proper ligting > on the chart). Then you will know what needs fixing. In my experience > looking at video material with a bttv-based card yielded better results on > the computer monitor than on a good quality professional video monitor. > The bttv card resolves 360 lines (720 pixels) (pal) which most TVs don't. Thanks for your response. All I can tell you so far is that the images on my LCD certainly seem fuzzier than they do on the TV. This may be a silly question but... What's a bttv based card? Thanks again, -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 21:59:41 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:59:41 +0200 (IST) Subject: state machine editor etc Message-ID: I asked about such a tool or language some time ago. I found this. It is not what I was looking for, but near enough: http://www.atl.external.lmco.com/rassp/vgui/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 22:16:05 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:16:05 +0200 (IST) Subject: punched cards Message-ID: After searching some I found this: http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/ftp/jones/cards/ which is not at all what I was looking for but interesting, and this: http://www.mchenrysoftware.com/medit1.htm which is extremely close to what I want, but on the wrong platform and different (specialised). any ideas ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 22:21:27 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:21:27 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040105214913.VWBC23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040105214913.VWBC23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Matthew Godycki wrote: > Thanks for your response. All I can tell you so far is that the images > on my LCD certainly seem fuzzier than they do on the TV. This may be a > silly question but... What's a bttv based card? Ah, what LCD ? I mean, glass tube CRT monitor attached to computer, running 800x600 and 16bit color or above, 17 inches or more diagonal, preferrably brand name monitor. A bttv based card is any video capture card based on the Brooktree chipset, such as flyvideo, avermedia and a few others. Under linux it uses the bttv.o module. it used to be one of the better low cost capture card chipsets (there are better ones now but I do not know about them). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 23:51:27 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:51:27 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! References: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> Choosing a laptop vendor, just because they support linux; is that reason enough? I would be much more interested in the laptop itself, the hardware, price and components, and overall support. The linux support you can do yourself, and will probably do a much better job than the company would. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 11:19:38PM -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: > > We finally had success with a local Linux laptop supplier. (Phewf!) > > > > Angel Computers http://www.angelcomputer.com/ offers various laptops > > with Linux pre-installed (i.e.: no MS tax). We got the 3000C. It turns > > out they had problems actually installing Linux, but once they told us > > that that machine's really a relabelled Clevo M350C, all was good, and > > we got Debian on the thing. They're localted in Mississauga. We went > > down there in person to deal with them. > > > > Debian installation notes: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/m350c/ > > I think it would be even nicer if the pcmcia stuff and the kernel had > been done properly as debian packages. make-kpkg (from kernel-package) > makes building and packaging a kernel very easy under debian (and has > some other advantages for any additional modules you may want built for > the kernel). I suspect backports already exist of the pcmcia stuff, or > at least one should be easy to make. > > Great to know that at least someone offers non windows poluted laptops. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 00:14:42 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:14:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: local linux laptop Message-ID: btw, I'm selling a laptop since i'll be moving soon, let me know if you're interested, I also have pictures of it. Specs are: Zenith Data systems Znoteflex-P P-75 24 MB ram trackball mouse 1.4 GB HD 3COM (3c509.o) 10 baseT NIC no dongle necessary PCMCIA 28.8 fax modem PCMCIA 3.5 floppy drive 2 1800Nmh batteries (gives at least 2 hours life) sound redhat 9 already installed, as well as notes on the best way to install and configure the hardware. I hate to get rid of it, but I have no choice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 00:39:08 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:39:08 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <20040106003908.GE11930@paip.net> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:51:27PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > Choosing a laptop vendor, just because they support linux; is that reason > enough? > I would be much more interested in the laptop itself, the hardware, price > and components, and overall support. > The linux support you can do yourself, and will probably do a much better > job than the company would. Supporting vendors who have not been brainwashed by Redmond is a really good idea to me. And if they offer to install Linux on it for you, you know you're not going to have incompatibility surprises. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 00:48:32 2004 From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:48:32 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201c3d3ee$cf57c9a0$c864a8c0@teknix> Not sure if anyone is interested but here is a good article on Defining vertical resolution in NTSC. http://broadcastengineering.com/ar/broadcasting_reader_feedback_28/ Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Peter L. Peres Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 3:49 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > the computer monitor than on a good quality professional video monitor. > The bttv card resolves 360 lines (720 pixels) (pal) which most TVs don't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 5 13:16:50 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 08:16:50 -0500 Subject: central mail References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I included most of the original post below as it has been a while. I have not switched to IMAPI (and I don't know yet if my ISP's server supports it) - things will have to get more painful before I switch - because pop is now doing what I want it to do. It seems now that as long as I hit 'Get Msg' in NSMessenger and 'Check New Mail' in webmail, the mail is now deleting from the server. I guess this is the kind of thing that you don't have to do with IMAPI. So, I'm sure I'll make the switch eventually. :) Chris b1gsao75 wrote: > Chris Aitken wrote: > > >I have been using Netscape Messenger for email for some time. > >It has served me well. > > > >I now need to move to a system by which I can see the same > >email from two different PCs. Sounds like a simple thing but I have > >a feeling this is going to entail a huge learning curve and maybe even > >moving to a different email system. > > > >I don't even know where to start. I know that helpless newbies are not > >to be coddled on this list - I just need the first concept to > >investigate > >and then I'm sure that will have me chasing the right ideas - unless you > > > >know of a site called "Setting up Netscape Messenger to store the mail > >database centrally to be accessed from any linux PC on the network" > >(please Creator, let there be such a site!). : ) > > > >Chris > > > > > IMAP has been suggested, or you can set the local mail in Netscape > preferences of both PCs to point to the same Mail directory. You need to > set up permissions properly. [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 01:19:41 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:19:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors References: <20040105214913.VWBC23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <000d01c3d3f3$28f8bf10$6401a8c0@yoshiko> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Matthew Godycki wrote: > > Thanks for your response. All I can tell you so far is that the images > > on my LCD certainly seem fuzzier than they do on the TV. This may be a > > silly question but... What's a bttv based card? > > Ah, what LCD ? I mean, glass tube CRT monitor attached to computer, > running 800x600 and 16bit color or above, 17 inches or more diagonal, > preferrably brand name monitor. The monitor in question is an IBM T750 17" LCD which has a native resolution of: 1280x1024 running in 32bit colour. In all other aspects, I've found it to be a very nice monitor. > A bttv based card is any video capture card based on the Brooktree > chipset, such as flyvideo, avermedia and a few others. Under linux it uses > the bttv.o module. it used to be one of the better low cost capture card > chipsets (there are better ones now but I do not know about them). Ahh. I think I'll need to do a little bit of research here, see what my ATI tuner card is using and see what else is out there using the chipset you mention. Perhaps there are enough differences in the chipsets to warrant having a look at a different card. Thank you all for your continued ideas! -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 01:32:58 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:32:58 -0500 Subject: now off topic: Formatting in C++ (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message from lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen) of "Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:44:20 EST." <20040105214420.GG7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200312310911.21145.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040105214420.GG7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040106013259.AD1083FDD@cbbrowne.com> > I wonder if Java exists for the purpose of making money for Sun? I > imagine that is the purpose of C# for MicroSoft. Alternatively, perhaps Java exists for the purpose of preventing Microsoft from making money on Visual BASIC. And C# exists as opposition to C#. -- "cbbrowne","@","ntlug.org" http://cbbrowne.com/info/sgml.html Signs of a Klingon Programmer - 18. "Perhaps it IS a good day to die! I say we ship it!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 02:14:05 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:14:05 -0500 Subject: central mail In-Reply-To: <3FF963C2.4CB5F207-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1073355245.3270.10.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 08:16, Chris Aitken wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I included most of the original > post below as it has been a while. I have not switched to IMAPI (and I don't > know yet if my ISP's server supports it) - things will have to get more > painful before I switch - because pop is now doing what I want it to do. Hi Chris. I missed your original post, so I don't know all the details regarding why you want central mail, but I thought I'd describe what I'm doing at home with email, and how you can implement something similar yourself. My problem was that I wanted to access my email from any computer in the house. This included the Inbox. Most ISPs only give you access to mail via POP3. This is basically a download protocol, to get mail from the server to your email client. The problem with POP3 is that once you've downloaded the mail from the server, it gets deleted. Also, it is stored in the email client's local folders. Going to another PC, you wouldn't be able to see the mail you just read on the first PC. Here's where IMAP comes in. IMAP is not a download protocol. The email stays on the server always, and you use your email client to manipulate it remotely. Because nothing is downloaded, you can see your Inbox and all your other folders from any IMAP capable client on any machine. Most ISPs do not provide IMAP access, because then they would have to store your email, and they don't want to do that. But, you could set up a simple Linux machine at home and have it pull down your email from your provider on a periodic basis, then read your mail using your email client software and IMAP. The software you need to do this is included in pretty much every Linux distribution out there. Personally, my mail server runs Red Hat Linux 9, but you can really use any distro that has the following tools: - fetchmail (to retrieve mail from your ISP and deliver it to a local user - sendmail/postfix (to deliver outgoing mail) - imap (either the standard UW IMAP service, or another one like Courier-IMAP Once you get the basic setup going, you can add all sorts of other things like webmail (to access your email via web browser from anywhere on the Internet), spam filtering, attachment virus scanning, etc. My server scans all inbound email through Spamassassin, and also does some basic virus checking. Anyway, if you're interested in setting up something like that, feel free to email me. I can send you some documents I found helpful in setting this whole mess up. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 02:19:04 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:19:04 -0500 Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: ; from plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg@public.gmane.org on Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:40:10PM +0200 References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104175025.A26046@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20040105211904.C13562@ee.ryerson.ca> I haven't done a systematic comparison, but I believe that the Atmel micros crank along at a somewhat higher rate. There was a DDS (direct-digital synthesizer) based on one of them that was totally software based and could generate up to something like 100kHz waveforms. The acid test for speed is whether the device can generate a composite video waveform in real time without hardware assist. Peter > Correct. I actually use pics for bit-banging applications, because the > timing is very predictable, and atmel and others for anything else. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 02:47:20 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:47:20 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: Message from "Teddy Mills" of "Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:51:27 EST." <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <20040106024721.959AB3FDD@cbbrowne.com> > Choosing a laptop vendor, just because they support linux; is that > reason enough? I would be much more interested in the laptop itself, > the hardware, price and components, and overall support. The linux > support you can do yourself, and will probably do a much better job > than the company would. It seems of at least _some_ small value to support ("reward") vendors that attempt to be helpful, as opposed to those that aren't. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'acm.org'; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/advocacy.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #116. "If I capture the hero's starship, I will keep it in the landing bay with the ramp down, only a few token guards on duty and a ton of explosives set to go off as soon as it clears the blast-range." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 02:48:42 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:48:42 -0500 Subject: punched card editor software ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFA220A.4080607@rogers.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > Does such a thing exist ? (open source/linux preferred) I mean a graphical > editor that simulates editing a p.c. What's to edit? When you hit the key, you get holes in the card. At best, editing is simply backspacing the card and obliterating the character, in a manner similar to the ASCII "rubout" character. If you make a mistake in a punch card, you generally have to toss it. There were some punches that would buffer the line and punch it in one shot, allowing corrections to be made first and some devices that could read some of the data from a card and merge it with new data, either from the keyboard or another card. However, that sort of thing required set up for each type of job. If it was a common job and the hardware supported it, you could use control cards to set up the machine. You may want to read a book called (IIRC) IBM's Early Computers, which includes descriptions of how some card equipment was used. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 02:49:37 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:49:37 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040105214236.0521fba8@localhost> At 15:09 05/01/2004 -0500, Keith Mastin wrote: > >> 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to > >> open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. > >IMHO, simply backing up to tape isn't enough. Tapes are slow write >devices, and any changes to data during the write process isn't captured >accurately. I also don't like backing onto tape direct from a live server >for the same reason. A solution is simple as using rsync to copy the data >to a back-up server so the data snapshot has a lower timestamp spread and >make the backup to the tape from the snapshot. You have the exact same issue with rsync. The result of rsyncing a file that is open is indeterminate. I asked on the rsync list when I first started using it. You're right about the narrower window of opportunity but, I would not bet the farm on it. Doing backups on live data is tough and in fact with databases, it is difficult to impossible to do unless one uses the backup utilities provided by the database, e.g. pg_dump for PostgreSQL. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 03:01:55 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:01:55 -0500 Subject: central mail In-Reply-To: <1073355245.3270.10.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> <1073355245.3270.10.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <3FFA2523.1060907@rogers.com> Paul Mora wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 08:16, Chris Aitken wrote: > >>Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I included most of the original >>post below as it has been a while. I have not switched to IMAPI (and I don't >>know yet if my ISP's server supports it) - things will have to get more >>painful before I switch - because pop is now doing what I want it to do. > > > Hi Chris. > > I missed your original post, so I don't know all the details regarding > why you want central mail, but I thought I'd describe what I'm doing at > home with email, and how you can implement something similar yourself. > > My problem was that I wanted to access my email from any computer in the > house. This included the Inbox. Most ISPs only give you access to mail > via POP3. This is basically a download protocol, to get mail from the > server to your email client. The problem with POP3 is that once you've > downloaded the mail from the server, it gets deleted. Also, it is > stored in the email client's local folders. Going to another PC, you > wouldn't be able to see the mail you just read on the first PC. > > Here's where IMAP comes in. IMAP is not a download protocol. The email > stays on the server always, and you use your email client to manipulate > it remotely. Because nothing is downloaded, you can see your Inbox and > all your other folders from any IMAP capable client on any machine. > > Most ISPs do not provide IMAP access, because then they would have to > store your email, and they don't want to do that. But, you could set up > a simple Linux machine at home and have it pull down your email from > your provider on a periodic basis, then read your mail using your email > client software and IMAP. > > The software you need to do this is included in pretty much every Linux > distribution out there. Personally, my mail server runs Red Hat Linux > 9, but you can really use any distro that has the following tools: > > - fetchmail (to retrieve mail from your ISP and deliver it to a local > user > - sendmail/postfix (to deliver outgoing mail) > - imap (either the standard UW IMAP service, or another one like > Courier-IMAP > I have done something similar, but running onle fetchmail and imap server. All the clients are configured to use the ISPs smtp server. This set up even works, when I dial into my home computer or connect via vpn. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 03:08:25 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:08:25 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <20040106003908.GE11930-cOjNTMaGA5U@public.gmane.org> References: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <20040106003908.GE11930@paip.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040105215154.0588f008@localhost> At 19:39 05/01/2004 -0500, Ian Goldberg wrote: >On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:51:27PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > > Choosing a laptop vendor, just because they support linux; is that reason > > enough? > > I would be much more interested in the laptop itself, the hardware, price > > and components, and overall support. > > The linux support you can do yourself, and will probably do a much better > > job than the company would. > >Supporting vendors who have not been brainwashed by Redmond is a really >good idea to me. And if they offer to install Linux on it for you, you >know you're not going to have incompatibility surprises. Oh come on. The majority of the world uses Windows. How is it "being brainwashed by Redmond" if IBM, for example, chooses to ship Windows preloaded on their machines? I agree with Teddy. I certainly would not deal with a vendor just because they "support" Linux, especially not a small vendor like Angel who may have one and only Linux friendly tech who leaves a week after your purchase. Basing one's decision on this as the most important criterion seems to be like cutting of one's nose to spite one's face. I do not know what Angel laptops are like these days but Angel, Ultinet, and Eurocom were all built by the same Taiwanese supplier at one time but had minor cosmetic differences. I was never overly impressed with them. They often had desktop CPUs in them, especially the Eurocom, their keyboards sucked, they were like toaster ovens sitting in one's lap, and various plastic doors and bits would break if you looked at them sideways. However, that was up to about four years ago. I haven't touched one since so they may be better now. Having said that, "MS tax" or not, I still prefer to use and sell name brand laptops, especially now that the price differential is insignificant and in some cases better. I checked out Angel's web site after your post to see what their pricing was like these days and did not see anything that jumped out at me as a good deal. I think you can do as well or better even with the "Windows tax" built in, especially if you do not get hung up in the GHz wars. Others and I have written here before about what makes a good laptop computer a good laptop computer and it usually has little to do with what the ads emphasize. Laptops get banged around more and are more service intensive. People spill stuff into the keyboards, they break hinges and latches, the batteries eventually die, often sooner than you would think, the pointing devices start misbehaving, the motherboards die, etc. Try finding parts for a couple year old clone or even second or third tier laptop manufacturer and you'll quickly find that the vendors have moved onto "better" things. By contrast, you can find almost any replacement part for an IBM, HP, or Compaq, even for five year old models. It depends on whether you view laptops as disposable computers or as something you might want to hang onto for a while. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 03:52:04 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 22:52:04 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: Message from "Keith Mastin" of "Mon, 05 Jan 2004 15:09:02 EST." <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> > > >> 1. Getting a true backup of a system onto tape is often difficult due to > >> open files of the OS and various(important) data and programs. > > IMHO, simply backing up to tape isn't enough. Tapes are slow write > devices, and any changes to data during the write process isn't > captured accurately. I also don't like backing onto tape direct from a > live server for the same reason. A solution is simple as using rsync > to copy the data to a back-up server so the data snapshot has a lower > timestamp spread and make the backup to the tape from the snapshot. > > This gives 2 copies of the data, and allows fast access to the most > recent backup from a hard drive, and also gives you the time to make > the tape transfer without any time pressures. This _may_ be helpful, but isn't forcibly a solution. I recall "bad old days'" of finding that Novell backups would NEVER do successful backups of some MS Access databases because there would perpetually be at least one user connected overnight that would outright _prevent_ ArcServe from backing up the file. (Because Novell Netware would lock the files...) The same is likely to be true for just about any sort of "database" application; backup regimens MUST use database-specific tools in order to get consistent backups. Unix may not have the same sort of locking regimen as Novell; all that means is that, on Unix, you'll silently get corrupted backups if you try to back up data that is undergoing change. The only relatively "safe" way to get a quasi-atomic backup is to use LVM, so that you can atomically "split off" a temporary copy of the filessystem. That makes the backup "atomic," which can allow satisfying databases' needs for consistency. You may need to recover the database, but that usually fits into its design. The same is not likely to be true for half-written-to-disk document files. -- "cbbrowne","@","acm.org" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/nonrdbms.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #45. "I will make sure I have a clear understanding of who is responsible for what in my organization. For example, if my general screws up I will not draw my weapon, point it at him, say "And here is the price for failure," then suddenly turn and kill some random underling." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 04:09:26 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:09:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <20040105211904.C13562-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040105211904.C13562@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > The acid test for speed is whether the device can generate a composite video > waveform in real time without hardware assist. A significant number of PIC applications have done this. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 05:56:38 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:56:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040105214236.0521fba8-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft><65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <5.2.0.9.0.20040105214236.0521fba8@localhost> Message-ID: <1706.216.138.194.32.1073368598.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > You have the exact same issue with rsync. The result of rsyncing a file > that is open is indeterminate. I asked on the rsync list when I first > started using it. You're right about the narrower window of opportunity > but, I would not bet the farm on it. Doing backups on live data is tough > and in fact with databases, it is difficult to impossible to do unless > one uses the backup utilities provided by the database, e.g. pg_dump for > PostgreSQL. With rsync you select the files or directories you want to back up and can exclude those you don't want. Yes, databases need to use their specific tools if they don't allow for live replication, and MySQL and postgreSQL have the tools included. All a matter of reading the docs and using common sense and tlug. :) -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 07:38:00 2004 From: jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 02:38:00 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040106023758.D25483@algate.perlwolf.com> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:52:04PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > The only relatively "safe" way to get a quasi-atomic backup is to use > LVM, so that you can atomically "split off" a temporary copy of the > filessystem. That makes the backup "atomic," which can allow satisfying > databases' needs for consistency. You may need to recover the database, > but that usually fits into its design. With IBM's DB2 UDB database, there is an improvement to be made to this process. It has a command to suspend write IO (which also updates the log before stopping writes). Then you can split off a copy, and resume writes. The copy can then be restarted (no recovery required). Since it is only writes that are suspended, read transactions are not blocked at all, and write transactions can be carried out up to the point of committing (which then has to wait for the write resume). Depending upon the mechanism used to split off the copy, this can be a very fast operation - using EMC Symmetrix storage array, I split off a copy of a 64 MB database with writes suspended for only a few seconds. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 14:32:12 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:32:12 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault Message-ID: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> Hi everyone, Yesterday I needed a distraction so I upgraded (hardware) my home machine from a Pentium III 850 (based on the Via133 chipset) to an AMD Athlon 1700+ (1.1GHz with the KT266 chipset, iirc). I am running Fedora and when I rebooted after upgrading 'kudzu' reported a "Segmentation Fault" on boot. I didn't worry about it until I downloaded the latest kernel for the athlon. A bit of an oddity, when I tried to install the kernel via 'rpm -Uvh ' is kept failing saying that the kernel was intended for an Athlon CPU. I checked 'dmesg' and sure enough it reported being on an athlon. '--force' didn't work but then I read about the '--noarch' switch and voila! Okay, so I am under the new kernel but it still seg faults when kudzu runs. I tried deleting '/etc/sysconfig/hwconf' but that didn't help. Then I tried reinstalling, then updating, rebuilding the latest version from .src.rpm and finally I even tried the very latest CVS and everyone of them seg faults. I have also tried removing -all- non essential hardware including disabling everything in the BIOS and that too didn't help. I tried checking '/var/log/messages|dmesg|ksyms.0' but non of them had any errors about kudzu. Does anyone have a suggestion for me? Does anyone know how to make kudzu a little more verbose or where it logs errors to? Failing all this, is there another hardware detection tool I can drop in to replace kudzu? Thanks everyone! Madison ps - I tried 'kudzu --safe', no luck. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 14:33:11 2004 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:33:11 -0500 Subject: securing Linux networks References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <20040106023758.D25483@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <3FFAC727.5080200@vm-resources.com> Hi: I am interested in opinions on one or more good hard copy and/or online materials, textbooks, etc. discussing tcpip network security in the linux environment. Thanks! David Kreuter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 14:45:48 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:45:48 -0500 Subject: local linux laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040106094548.1d06f25f.hgibson@eol.ca> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:14:42 -0500 (EST) Justin Zygmont wrote: > btw, I'm selling a laptop since i'll be moving soon, let me know if > you're interested, I also have pictures of it. Specs are: > > Zenith Data systems Znoteflex-P > P-75 24 MB ram trackball mouse > 1.4 GB HD > 3COM (3c509.o) 10 baseT NIC no dongle necessary PCMCIA > 28.8 fax modem PCMCIA > 3.5 floppy drive > 2 1800Nmh batteries (gives at least 2 hours life) > sound > redhat 9 already installed, as well as notes on the best way to install > and configure the hardware. I hate to get rid of it, but I have no > choice. Justin, Red Hat 9 on a 1.4GB hard drive? I am impressed. I thought I was clever getting Red Hat 8 onto my 4GB laptop hard drive. How much stuff have you got running? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 15:56:13 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:56:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d3f3$28f8bf10$6401a8c0-uPx0nR2PG5o@public.gmane.org> References: <20040105214913.VWBC23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> <000d01c3d3f3$28f8bf10$6401a8c0@yoshiko> Message-ID: <20040106155613.GH7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:19:41PM -0500, Matthew Godycki wrote: > The monitor in question is an IBM T750 17" LCD which has a > native resolution of: 1280x1024 running in 32bit colour. In all > other aspects, I've found it to be a very nice monitor. Remember that LCDs look awful at anything other than their native resolution or an integer division of it. > Ahh. I think I'll need to do a little bit of research here, see what my > ATI tuner card is using and see what else is out there using the > chipset you mention. Perhaps there are enough differences in the > chipsets to warrant having a look at a different card. I used to play with an ATI Rage II + ISA (power only) TV Tuner that connected to the video card with a ribbon cable. The gator tools worked great under linux with it. It had pretty good looking video (I thought) at the time, although anything using the coax was pretty bad since I suspect they had insufficient shielding on the tuner to really operate in the noisy (RF) environment of a 200MHz PPro. The video input was pretty clean at least using the software the card came with or the gator software in linux. I haven't had any experience with the ATI PCI tuner cards or the all in wonders so I don't know how they compare. If I ever decide to get a tv tuner/capture card again I will probably get one of the BTTV based once since they seem to be the most open with specifications allowing better linux support. One with just video input and an external tuner box would be even better to keep that part out of the noise. I think some nvidia tuner options are done that way, although I have no idea if those work in linux or if anyone actually sells them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 16:04:36 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:04:36 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <20040106160436.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 06:51:27PM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > Choosing a laptop vendor, just because they support linux; is that reason > enough? > I would be much more interested in the laptop itself, the hardware, price > and components, and overall support. > The linux support you can do yourself, and will probably do a much better > job than the company would. Supporting linux is generally a good indication that the laptop is NOT full of proprietary junk. It can also save you the MS Windows tax and hence make the laptop cheaper. Just because they support linux does not imply they make or sell inferior laptops. I suspect the contrary is more likely true. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 16:09:17 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:09:17 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040105215154.0588f008-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <5.2.0.9.0.20040105215154.0588f008@localhost> Message-ID: <20040106160917.GJ7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:08:25PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Oh come on. The majority of the world uses Windows. How is it "being > brainwashed by Redmond" if IBM, for example, chooses to ship Windows > preloaded on their machines? I agree with Teddy. I certainly would not deal > with a vendor just because they "support" Linux, especially not a small > vendor like Angel who may have one and only Linux friendly tech who leaves > a week after your purchase. Basing one's decision on this as the most > important criterion seems to be like cutting of one's nose to spite one's > face. IBM will sell you a laptop with Linux and not Windows. You don't get very many choices in model though. > I do not know what Angel laptops are like these days but Angel, Ultinet, > and Eurocom were all built by the same Taiwanese supplier at one time but > had minor cosmetic differences. I was never overly impressed with them. > They often had desktop CPUs in them, especially the Eurocom, their > keyboards sucked, they were like toaster ovens sitting in one's lap, and > various plastic doors and bits would break if you looked at them sideways. > However, that was up to about four years ago. I haven't touched one since > so they may be better now. Having said that, "MS tax" or not, I still > prefer to use and sell name brand laptops, especially now that the price > differential is insignificant and in some cases better. I checked out > Angel's web site after your post to see what their pricing was like these > days and did not see anything that jumped out at me as a good deal. I think > you can do as well or better even with the "Windows tax" built in, > especially if you do not get hung up in the GHz wars. Others and I have > written here before about what makes a good laptop computer a good laptop > computer and it usually has little to do with what the ads emphasize. Well I have played with IBM laptops that were pretty hot to have in my lap too, and speaking of desktop CPUs, have a look at Compaq laptops and see what they use in a lot of them. > Laptops get banged around more and are more service intensive. People spill > stuff into the keyboards, they break hinges and latches, the batteries > eventually die, often sooner than you would think, the pointing devices > start misbehaving, the motherboards die, etc. Try finding parts for a > couple year old clone or even second or third tier laptop manufacturer and > you'll quickly find that the vendors have moved onto "better" things. By > contrast, you can find almost any replacement part for an IBM, HP, or > Compaq, even for five year old models. It depends on whether you view > laptops as disposable computers or as something you might want to hang onto > for a while. Certainly true. I remember those first Dell's with 15" screens using the same base as the 14" model with the screen hanging out over the edge of the base. The place I worked had 2 cracked screens the first month out of two laptops. So much for name brands being so durable. If you want something good, look at how it is built, not the name or the price. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 16:15:09 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:15:09 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... In-Reply-To: <3FF904B5.7000304-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF73001.3000009@alteeve.com> <3FF73001.3000009@alteeve.com> <3FF904B5.7000304@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040106111343.01f17630@mail.interlog.com> At 01:31 AM 01/05/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Having gone to data recovery houses in the past 3 or 4 times, and having a >%0 percent success rate, I've always got my ears out for this kinda thing. > >Wondering why it never worked for me/my employer but there are numerous >success stories. Maybe we ran over some dude from Memofix's cat ;) Isn't there a data recovery company in Mississauga(?) that is supposed to be good. I'm thinking of one that has been written about in one of the local papers on a couple of occasions. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 16:28:06 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:28:06 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 08:19:41PM -0500, Matthew Godycki wrote: > > The monitor in question is an IBM T750 17" LCD which has a > > native resolution of: 1280x1024 running in 32bit colour. In all > > other aspects, I've found it to be a very nice monitor. > > Remember that LCDs look awful at anything other than their native > resolution or an integer division of it. You're absolutely right, and I've been running the monitor at its native resolution the entire time :) So now for the million dollar question... Do you think it would be worthwhile to try a bttv based card? Alternatively, would using some sort of video (svideo/composite) input on a normal video card be a better solution for connecting other devices to the monitor (obviously this wouldn't work for the tv tuner aspect). I'm really trying to solve two problems, but even one would work: 1) Improving the image quality when using the tv tuner 2) Improving the image quality when connecting external video devices (ie, camera, gaming console, etc). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 17:36:13 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 06 Jan 2004 12:36:13 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFAC6EC.1010601-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Madison Kelly writes: > Hi everyone, > > Yesterday I needed a distraction so I upgraded (hardware) my home machine > from a Pentium III 850 (based on the Via133 chipset) to an AMD Athlon > 1700+ (1.1GHz with the KT266 chipset, iirc). I am running Fedora and when > I rebooted after upgrading 'kudzu' reported a "Segmentation Fault" on > boot. I didn't worry about it until I downloaded the latest kernel for the > athlon. > > > A bit of an oddity, when I tried to install the kernel via 'rpm -Uvh > ' is kept failing saying that the kernel was intended for an > Athlon CPU. I checked 'dmesg' and sure enough it reported being on an > athlon. '--force' didn't work but then I read about the '--noarch' switch > and voila! Okay, so I am under the new kernel but it still seg faults when > kudzu runs. I tried deleting '/etc/sysconfig/hwconf' but that didn't > help. Then I tried reinstalling, then updating, rebuilding the latest > version from .src.rpm and finally I even tried the very latest CVS and > everyone of them seg faults. > > > I have also tried removing -all- non essential hardware including > disabling everything in the BIOS and that too didn't help. I tried > checking '/var/log/messages|dmesg|ksyms.0' but non of them had any errors > about kudzu. Does anyone have a suggestion for me? Does anyone know how to > make kudzu a little more verbose or where it logs errors to? Failing all > this, is there another hardware detection tool I can drop in to replace > kudzu? Install Debian. :-) More seriously, if you know what hardware you have (and it sounds like you do), you don't need kudzu or any hardware detection tool. Just remove it. Kudzu is usually the first package I remove after installing any version of Red Hat. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 18:01:31 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:01:31 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FFAF7FB.5090203@alteeve.com> Hi Tim, That's one way of doing it but where then would I go to discover/enter all the nitty gritty details of the chipset et. al.? Besides, it drives me crazy to know there is a problem and not fix it. :) Madison > Install Debian. :-) More seriously, if you know what hardware you have (and > it sounds like you do), you don't need kudzu or any hardware detection tool. > Just remove it. Kudzu is usually the first package I remove after installing > any version of Red Hat. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 18:07:15 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:07:15 -0700 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFAF7FB.5090203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <3FFAF7FB.5090203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040106180715.GA3684@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:31PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi Tim, > > That's one way of doing it but where then would I go to > discover/enter all the nitty gritty details of the chipset et. al.? > Besides, it drives me crazy to know there is a problem and not fix it. :) lspci and /proc contain a wealth of information about devices connected to your computer, as does /sys on systems with kernel 2.6. There are probably other bits that the software looks at in various other places, too...but you can usually look at these yourself. KDE also has "Look at the hardware" programs (the "KDE Info Center"). -- taa "Imagination is more important than knowledge." --Albert Einstein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 19:34:30 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 06 Jan 2004 14:34:30 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <20040106180715.GA3684-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <3FFAF7FB.5090203@alteeve.com> <20040106180715.GA3684@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: Taavi Burns writes: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:31PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > That's one way of doing it but where then would I go to > > discover/enter all the nitty gritty details of the chipset et. al.? > > Besides, it drives me crazy to know there is a problem and not fix it. :) > > lspci and /proc contain a wealth of information about devices connected > to your computer, as does /sys on systems with kernel 2.6. There are probably > other bits that the software looks at in various other places, too...but you > can usually look at these yourself. KDE also has "Look at the hardware" > programs (the "KDE Info Center"). And once the system's been correctly configured, there's little use for this information. For example, on my Debian home system (which uses a stock Debian kernel), I need to load the piix.o module to enable (DMA etc.) support for the Intel IDE chipset. With this loaded (via /etc/modules), I can use hdparm to tune my IDE disks which I do in a custom startup script. Once this has been done, information on the IDE chipset is of little use to me. While kudzu can be useful on an initial install (although I find KNOPPIX's hardware detection does a better job), I remove it or disable it because more often than not it's a source of trouble. Consider a remotely managed, headless server. Now suppose you ask an unskilled individual who's on-site to install an additional NIC for you which you will configure remotely. If you've left kudzu enabled (pehaps unwittingly), it will helpfully ask the user to deal with the new hardware. But since the system's headless, there's no one to interact with kudzu and the system won't come up. This has happened to me. I've also seen kudzu hang a system simply because someone unfamilar with Linux plugged in a mouse. And I've seen it hang a failed system that was recovered by replacing the mainboard. While I understand your desire to "fix it", when an application that is completely optional is broken, the simple fix is just to remove it. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 19:58:54 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 06 Jan 2004 14:58:54 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFAF7FB.5090203-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <3FFAF7FB.5090203@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Madison Kelly writes: > That's one way of doing it but where then would I go to discover/enter all > the nitty gritty details of the chipset et. al.? Besides, it drives me > crazy to know there is a problem and not fix it. :) Kudzu's the problem, though ;) -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 20:49:39 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:49:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Request for assistance with this month's talk Message-ID: Hi all. We need a laptop & a projector for the talk this month (ideally a projector which connects to the laptop). If you can help out please email me so we are sure we have the equipment we need. TIA to anyone who can help. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 21:05:36 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:05:36 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! References: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <5.2.0.9.0.20040105215154.0588f008@localhost> <20040106160917.GJ7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3FFB2320.7D80FBAE@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > [...] > > IBM will sell you a laptop with Linux and not Windows. I'm beginning to think this is an urban myth. : ) I have done a lot (not a little) clicking around their websites and even phoned IBM. I/we could not find any linux-loaded laptops. If anyone has a url to the laptop, I'd love to see it. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 21:43:02 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 06 Jan 2004 16:43:02 -0500 Subject: Local Linux laptop supplier: success! In-Reply-To: <3FFB2320.7D80FBAE-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <20040103041938.GS2377@paip.net> <20040105212110.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001b01c3d3e6$d6563aa0$0301a8c0@amazon> <5.2.0.9.0.20040105215154.0588f008@localhost> <20040106160917.GJ7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <3FFB2320.7D80FBAE@onlink.net> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > I'm beginning to think this is an urban myth. : ) I have done a lot (not a > little) clicking around their websites and even phoned IBM. I/we could not > find any linux-loaded laptops. If anyone has a url to the laptop, I'd love > to see it. I also saw some lovely full page ads in an in-flight magazine with people holding up thinkpads and a caption stating 'IBM recommends Windows XP on all of its laptops' [or something along those lines]. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 23:05:45 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:05:45 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <3FFB3F49.6050406@sympatico.ca> Matthew Godycki wrote: [snip] >Alternatively, would using some sort of video (svideo/composite) input on a normal video card be a better >solution for connecting other devices to the monitor (obviously this wouldn't work for the tv tuner aspect). > > You said that the card had S-video; use that if you can ! the component video signal should perform much better. Have you used this card with any other operating systems and/or drivers ? you know .. that.. Win.. something.. Same crappy image ? Is there a quality difference between windowed and full screen ? Can you loop throught the device ? Camera to the S-video and component to a monitor (or VCR input) ? same ? NTSC is generally speaking NTSC so the device shouldn't be putting out a lower resolution. or it isn't NTSC Do you know what NTSC stands for ? No Two Same Colour ! It's a fairly crappy standard to start with. PAL kicks it ass ! djp >I'm really trying to solve two problems, but even one would work: >1) Improving the image quality when using the tv tuner >2) Improving the image quality when connecting external video devices (ie, camera, gaming console, etc). > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 23:38:32 2004 From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:38:32 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <3FFB3F49.6050406-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFB3F49.6050406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000101c3d4ae$31e62430$c864a8c0@teknix> Hi all, I know this is way OT, but I thought some *may* find this stuff interesting... S-video is not Component video. S-video only separates the chroma and luminance information, so that the "chroma crawl" beat patterns are reduced... this lends itself to a slightly better horizontal resolution than straight composite NTSC. But that's the only difference between the two. Colour Difference Component separates the video information into three parts; Luminance (Y), Red minus the Y (R-Y), and Blue minus the Y (B-Y). True Component video is separated into four parts, the Sync, the Red, the green, and the Blue, but usually the Sync is combined with the green signal. The newest way of doing all of this is with digital serial video (or SDI). Which is a 270mb/s data stream which breaks down into 10 bit video samples of Y, R-Y, B-Y, and up to 8 uncompressed audio channels, all on one cable. BTW NTSC stands for "National Television Standards Committee", but is colloquially known as "Never Twice the Same Colour" Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org >You said that the card had S-video; use that if you can ! >the component video signal should perform much better. >Do you know what NTSC stands for ? >No Two Same Colour ! It's a fairly crappy standard to start with. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 23:39:06 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: local linux laptop In-Reply-To: <20040106094548.1d06f25f.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106094548.1d06f25f.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: by "not" selecting the install everything option, heh On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Howard Gibson wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 19:14:42 -0500 (EST) > Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > btw, I'm selling a laptop since i'll be moving soon, let me know if > > you're interested, I also have pictures of it. Specs are: > > > > Zenith Data systems Znoteflex-P > > P-75 24 MB ram trackball mouse > > 1.4 GB HD > > 3COM (3c509.o) 10 baseT NIC no dongle necessary PCMCIA > > 28.8 fax modem PCMCIA > > 3.5 floppy drive > > 2 1800Nmh batteries (gives at least 2 hours life) > > sound > > redhat 9 already installed, as well as notes on the best way to install > > and configure the hardware. I hate to get rid of it, but I have no > > choice. > > Justin, > > Red Hat 9 on a 1.4GB hard drive? I am impressed. I thought I was clever getting Red Hat 8 onto my 4GB laptop hard drive. How much stuff have you got running? > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 01:06:19 2004 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:06:19 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFAC6EC.1010601-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>; from linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:32:12AM -0500 References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040106200619.C19596@leftmind.net> Madison Kelly wrote: > ps - I tried 'kudzu --safe', no luck. You're misspelling "rpm -e kudzu". -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 04:25:51 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:25:51 -0500 Subject: Request for assistance with this month's talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFB8A4F.9040706@rogers.com> > Hi all. We need a laptop & a projector for the talk this month (ideally a > projector which connects to the laptop). If you can help out please email > me so we are sure we have the equipment we need. I can help out with a notebook running linux. However, I can't with the projector but will keep my ears and eyes open. Send me some more details... -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 05:12:18 2004 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:12:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto Message-ID: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> According to this news release by the city of Toronto http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsrel.nsf/7017df2f20edbe2885256619004e428e/2ecff1f89300b50385256e13006b1f3e?OpenDocument the mayor is looking for input on the 2004 budget.. "Listening to Toronto is our first step in bringing people from across the city together so they can help shape Toronto's budget discussion. I will attend each of the six sessions along with Budget Advisory Committee Chair Soknacki and members of Council. We want to hear what the people have to say, " Miller said. I've heard people discuss this issue (opensource for local government) in the past so this looks like a good opportunity to bring it up. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 05:48:18 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 00:48:18 -0500 Subject: Problems with KLaptop In-Reply-To: <200312291131.01358.linuxbrad-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200312291131.01358.linuxbrad@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3FFB9DA2.5010105@muskokatech.ca> Can you dual boot it to windows? I have and I get the same condition. I am fairly certain the battery is faulty. Jeremy Baker Brad Fonseca wrote: >I'm running Mandrake 9.2 on a Compaq Armada E500 laptop. When I first >installed the system, KLaptop would helpfully warn me when the batteries was >low. Recently, I've run into the problem where the Klaptop monitor says I >still have 40% on the battery but then the laptop suddenly powers off as if >the battery is dead. > >Is there a way to fix this? The battery seems to last the same length of time >as before, it's just that KLaptop seems to have an inaccurate measure of >remaining battery life. > >Regards, > >Brad Fonseca > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 06:11:40 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:11:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto In-Reply-To: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Jason Carson wrote: > I've heard people discuss this issue (opensource for local government) in > the past so this looks like a good opportunity to bring it up. Just a reminder that we are having a face to face meeting to discuss this very matter. Details: Where: Ginger 2 restaurant 403 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M5B 1S9 When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Please RSVP to me if you intend to attend. Thanks to those who already have. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 06:12:36 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:12:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto In-Reply-To: References: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. Make that 2004. I cut that from my earlier post where I had made the typo. Doh :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 07:12:18 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:12:18 -0500 Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto In-Reply-To: References: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <3FFBB152.7060405@sympatico.ca> Robert Brockway wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > > > >>When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. >> >> > >Make that 2004. I cut that from my earlier post where I had made the >typo. Doh :) > >Rob > > > (from Jasons link) Mayor David Miller announced today that he is seeking input from the public before the City of Toronto officially launches its 2004 budget proces To attend, participants must register in advance. Advertisements in local papers this week detail how to register and session locations. Telephone registration opens tomorrow, Wednesday, January 7. Call Access Toronto at 416-338-0338. should we act immediately ? or decide our move Monday night ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 07:46:01 2004 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 02:46:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto In-Reply-To: References: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: <51424.66.11.182.5.1073461561.squirrel@cbits.ca> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Jason Carson wrote: > >> I've heard people discuss this issue (opensource for local government) >> in >> the past so this looks like a good opportunity to bring it up. > > Just a reminder that we are having a face to face meeting to discuss this > very matter. oops, must have missed that post... I guess this is just another reminder then > Details: > > Where: Ginger 2 restaurant > 403 Yonge Street, > Toronto, ON > M5B 1S9 > > When: 7pm, Monday Jan 12 2003. > > Please RSVP to me if you intend to attend. Thanks to those who already > have. > > Rob > > -- > Robert Brockway > Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. > Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, > http://www.opentrend.net > OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 14:57:45 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:57:45 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <20040106200619.C19596-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <20040106200619.C19596@leftmind.net> Message-ID: <3FFC1E69.9020400@alteeve.com> Oh hardy har har! ;) Anyway, someone mentioned that KOPPIX has a good hardware config tool, does anyone know what that is off the top of their head? Madison Anthony de Boer wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >>ps - I tried 'kudzu --safe', no luck. > > > You're misspelling "rpm -e kudzu". -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 17:12:09 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:12:09 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFC1E69.9020400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <20040106200619.C19596@leftmind.net> <3FFC1E69.9020400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FFC3DE9.6040400@pcsecurityonline.com> The tool is called Hwsetup & hwdata, and there is a port of this available for some distros ( gentoo & debian ) called hwdata-knoppix, I seem to recall this is available through apt-get Madison Kelly wrote: > Oh hardy har har! ;) > > Anyway, someone mentioned that KOPPIX has a good hardware config tool, > does anyone know what that is off the top of their head? > > Madison > > Anthony de Boer wrote: > >> Madison Kelly wrote: >> >>> ps - I tried 'kudzu --safe', no luck. >> >> >> >> You're misspelling "rpm -e kudzu". > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 17:13:54 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:13:54 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... In-Reply-To: <3FF1F0FD.8060008-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <32803.64.231.131.25.1072675385.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <3FF1F0FD.8060008@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FFC3E52.5080405@pcsecurityonline.com> came across this article today System recovery with Knoppix What to do when good disks go bad Level: Intermediate http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-knopx.html?ca=dgr-lnxw10Knoppix some useful information. Madison Kelly wrote: > First and foremost; THANK YOU to everyone who has helped me out on > this!! I decided yesterday to try "Stellar Pheonix Linux" which is a > MS-based utility someone here (thank you!) that can attempt data > recovery of ext2 and ext3 partitions. It discovered a little over 5,000 > files and then Win2k lost the drive entirely. At that, I decided it was > time to send it to a data recovery house which I did today. > > Given the value of the data I decided that I had reached the limit of my > (with your help!) expertise. If interested, I will let you know how much > (if any) data is saved. > > Thank you all again! > > Madison > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 17:06:36 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:06:36 -0500 Subject: sound & partitions References: <3FCD9F79.22776A0D@onlink.net> <3FF706F1.8050801@rogers.com> <3FF8C02F.C14D89EF@onlink.net> <20040105195657.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3FFC3C9C.7FB432FE@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2004 at 08:38:55PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Byron Sonne wrote: [...] > > VMWare is running real windows, not a partially emulated one, so all > software runs perfectly. OK. > On the other hand you aren't talking directly > to the hardware (since that is the part that is being emulated to some > extent), so expect much much higher delays for sound coming in and going > out than you would running windows directly. I don't know if what you > are doing requires syncing between what you are recording and what you > recorded before, but if it does that could be a big problem. Damn - foiled again! > Some of > the applications that are using ALSA on Linux on the other hand have > become very impresive in how low the latency is (from what I understand > they rival or in some cases beat ASIO). Yeah, but I would be more likely to experiment with sound recording in linux if linux was always up (i.e. if I always had w98 and linux at the same time on the same machine in front of me - not dual-booting between the two OSs). Maybe I should just purchase vmware and see how good/bad the latency is - then I'll know and I'll shut up about all this. Then I will get another machine with an OK sound card and run only linux on that - do all my accounting, word processing, and experimenting with sound recording. And the other machine I'll leave as the production W98SE box for recording mutlitrack. > > I only play around with midi for fun, MIDI fun? Hmmm.. I've been a musician for years. I won't try MIDI again until I must. > and don't do any recording of > sound, so I don't know what is around for that, but something must be. > The libjack and alsa and such don't exist just because someone thought > it would be fun to write. :) Thanks guys. Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 17:27:09 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:27:09 -0500 Subject: central mail References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> <1073355245.3270.10.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <3FFC416D.7D474251@onlink.net> Paul Mora wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 08:16, Chris Aitken wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I included most of the original > > post below as it has been a while. I have not switched to IMAPI (and I don't > > know yet if my ISP's server supports it) - things will have to get more > > painful before I switch - because pop is now doing what I want it to do. > > Hi Chris. > > I missed your original post, so I don't know all the details regarding > why you want central mail, but I thought I'd describe what I'm doing at > home with email, and how you can implement something similar yourself. > > My problem was that I wanted to access my email from any computer in the > house. This included the Inbox. But shouldn't the 'Inbox' be the same in every PC's mail client unless you uncheck 'Leave Messages on Server' (or whatever the setting is in your mail client)? > Most ISPs only give you access to mail > via POP3. This is basically a download protocol, to get mail from the > server to your email client. The problem with POP3 is that once you've > downloaded the mail from the server, it gets deleted. Again, shouldn't the 'Inbox' on the ISP's server and your mail clients' Inboxes be the same unless you uncheck 'Leave Messages on Server' (or whatever the setting is in your mail client)? In NSMail I have set Edit > Preferences > Mail Servers > [incoming mail server name] > Edit > POP > 'Leave Messages on Server' & 'When deleting a message locally, remove it from the server' (or whatever the setting is in your mail client of choice)? > Also, it is > stored in the email client's local folders. But it should also still be in the ISP's server's Inbox, uncheck 'Leave Messages on Server' (or somesuch). > Going to another PC, you > wouldn't be able to see the mail you just read on the first PC. As per my explanation above you would be able to see the same mail over and over unless you uncheck 'Leave Messages on Server'. I'm not trying to be pompous or the Devil's Advocate. It's just that POP is doing for me everything that you say it should not. I probably will switch to IMAPI eventually, but things will have ot get more painful before I do. I sometimes wonder if IMAPI just delivers on the promises that POP makes. : ) > Here's where IMAP comes in. IMAP is not a download protocol. The email > stays on the server always, Again, and so it does with POP - for me anyways. > and you use your email client to manipulate > it remotely. Because nothing is downloaded, you can see your Inbox and > all your other folders from any IMAP capable client on any machine. Yes, I can see that if I want to extend this leave-the-mail-on-the-server-so-that-all-mail-clients-can-see-it to multiple folders, maybe *that's* where I would need IMAPI. > Most ISPs do not provide IMAP access, because then they would have to > store your email, and they don't want to do that. Right on. > But, you could set up > a simple Linux machine at home and have it pull down your email from > your provider on a periodic basis, then read your mail using your email > client software and IMAP. Hmmm... > The software you need to do this is included in pretty much every Linux > distribution out there. Personally, my mail server runs Red Hat Linux > 9, but you can really use any distro that has the following tools: > > - fetchmail (to retrieve mail from your ISP and deliver it to a local > user > - sendmail/postfix (to deliver outgoing mail) > - imap (either the standard UW IMAP service, or another one like > Courier-IMAP > > Once you get the basic setup going, you can add all sorts of other > things like webmail (to access your email via web browser from anywhere > on the Internet), spam filtering, attachment virus scanning, etc. My > server scans all inbound email through Spamassassin, and also does some > basic virus checking. > > Anyway, if you're interested in setting up something like that, feel > free to email me. I can send you some documents I found helpful in > setting this whole mess up. Alright, thanks, you may be hearing from me. Chris > pm > > -- > Paul Mora [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 17:26:12 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:26:12 -0500 Subject: Kudzu Segmentation Fault In-Reply-To: <3FFC1E69.9020400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFAC6EC.1010601@alteeve.com> <20040106200619.C19596@leftmind.net> <3FFC1E69.9020400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040107172612.GK7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 09:57:45AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Oh hardy har har! ;) > > Anyway, someone mentioned that KOPPIX has a good hardware config tool, > does anyone know what that is off the top of their head? Whatever it uses I sure had to beat it up a lot to make it figure out an i815 onboard video when I tried it on one machine. It sure isn't perfect and when it's wrong it gets very in the way. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 18:01:02 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:01:02 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... In-Reply-To: <3FFC3E52.5080405-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <32803.64.231.131.25.1072675385.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <3FF1F0FD.8060008@alteeve.com> <3FFC3E52.5080405@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <200401071301.02804.fraser@wehave.net> On Wednesday 07 January 2004 12:13, Jason Shein wrote: > came across this article today > > System recovery with Knoppix > What to do when good disks go bad Knoppix is an awesome way to recover from failed disks. Especially handy if your backups are on an amanda server. Amanda utilities so recovery is boot->partition->make filesystems/raid/lvm/etc->extract backup->install bootloader->reboot->go home. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 18:49:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <3FFB3F49.6050406-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> <3FFB3F49.6050406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040107184911.GL7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 06:05:45PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > You said that the card had S-video; use that if you can ! > the component video signal should perform much better. I haven't seen a video card that accepts component video. svideo just has one wire for luma (brightness?) and one for chroma (I think the colour part). Component seperates the colour part into seperate red and blue offsets as far as I understand it. Composite ofcourse just throwse the whole thing into one signal, and cable makes it even worse by combining the audio into the mix as well. > Have you used this card with any other operating systems and/or drivers ? > you know .. that.. Win.. something.. > Same crappy image ? > Is there a quality difference between windowed and full screen ? > Can you loop throught the device ? Camera to the S-video and component > to a monitor (or VCR input) ? > same ? > NTSC is generally speaking NTSC so the device shouldn't be putting out a > lower resolution. > or it isn't NTSC > Do you know what NTSC stands for ? > No Two Same Colour ! It's a fairly crappy standard to start > with. > PAL kicks it ass ! Now if only pal wasn't 50hz interlaced. :) Could be worse. Could be secam. Resolution of NTSC and refresh of PAL. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 19:36:08 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:36:08 -0500 Subject: Request for assistance with this month's talk In-Reply-To: <3FFB8A4F.9040706-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFB8A4F.9040706@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3FFC5FA8.4090206@sympatico.ca> Byron Sonne wrote: >> Hi all. We need a laptop & a projector for the talk this month >> (ideally a >> projector which connects to the laptop). If you can help out please >> email >> me so we are sure we have the equipment we need. > > > I can help out with a notebook running linux. However, I can't with > the projector but will keep my ears and eyes open. Send me some more > details... > If we find a projector; great ! otherwise I'll just boot up the blackboard. thanks ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 20:10:30 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 07 Jan 2004 15:10:30 -0500 Subject: Update: Data recovery emergency... In-Reply-To: <200401071301.02804.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <32803.64.231.131.25.1072675385.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <3FF1F0FD.8060008@alteeve.com> <3FFC3E52.5080405@pcsecurityonline.com> <200401071301.02804.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > On Wednesday 07 January 2004 12:13, Jason Shein wrote: > > came across this article today > > > > System recovery with Knoppix > > What to do when good disks go bad > > Knoppix is an awesome way to recover from failed disks. Especially handy if > your backups are on an amanda server. Amanda utilities so recovery is > boot->partition->make filesystems/raid/lvm/etc->extract backup->install > bootloader->reboot->go home. And with mdadm and vgscan (both of which are included), it can recover LVM and RAID volumes directly from the disk content, i.e. without needing any auxiliary info such as /etc/raidtab. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 20:30:25 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:30:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Request for assistance with this month's talk In-Reply-To: <3FFC5FA8.4090206-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFB8A4F.9040706@rogers.com> <3FFC5FA8.4090206@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > Byron Sonne wrote: > > I can help out with a notebook running linux. However, I can't with > > the projector but will keep my ears and eyes open. Send me some more > > details... > > > If we find a projector; great ! > otherwise I'll just boot up the blackboard. > thanks ! > djp Cool. Byron, if you're coming along, and it isn't too much trouble bring the laptop as the room _may_ have a projector suitable for connection. If not we'll go the blackboard. Thanks to those who emailed me privately offering assitance if they could. Cheers, Rob > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 23:15:32 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:15:32 +0200 (IST) Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106162806.XDXY448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Matthew Godycki wrote: > So now for the million dollar question... Do you think it would be > worthwhile to try a bttv based card? You might already have one. Look in the system logs (kmesg etc) after loading the viewer. If it says something like bttv.o: yada yada then you have. The bttv chip requires a very fast machine for reasonable full screen video in a window (not overlay). It uses no ram (it borrows ram from the system via PCI bus). If you use it on a cheap system which also uses system ram for video (all those all-in-one boards) then it will frame drop like crazy. Overlays will still be clean. > Alternatively, would using some sort of video (svideo/composite) input > on a normal video card be a better solution for connecting other devices > to the monitor (obviously this wouldn't work for the tv tuner aspect). Very definitely yes. Regard the internal tuner as a gimmick. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 23:01:12 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 01:01:12 +0200 (IST) Subject: punched card editor software ? In-Reply-To: <3FFA220A.4080607-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFA220A.4080607@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Does such a thing exist ? (open source/linux preferred) I mean a graphical > > editor that simulates editing a p.c. > > What's to edit? When you hit the key, you get holes in the card. At > best, editing is simply backspacing the card and obliterating the > character, in a manner similar to the ASCII "rubout" character. If you > make a mistake in a punch card, you generally have to toss it. Nonono. I see that I expressed myself wrong. I need to edit card decks represented as ASCII fixed format cards, one card per line. The card decks are actually ASCII files. Think FORTRAN77 source code. I whipped up something simple in tcl last night so I'm up to something but it will take some work to make it resonable for general use. I basically want an editor that understands fields in cards and does some checking on input so the cards will be acceptable (wrt column alignment etc). thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 6 22:57:28 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:57:28 +0200 (IST) Subject: Linux and PIC development In-Reply-To: <20040105211904.C13562-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <3FF867AB.4040606@rogers.com> <20040104220812.GB5208@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040104175025.A26046@ee.ryerson.ca> <20040105211904.C13562@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > I haven't done a systematic comparison, but I believe that the Atmel micros > crank along at a somewhat higher rate. There was a DDS (direct-digital > synthesizer) based on one of them that was totally software based and could > generate up to something like 100kHz waveforms. > > The acid test for speed is whether the device can generate a composite video > waveform in real time without hardware assist. The scenix chips (pic compatible) will do that. Clock up to 50MHz, one instruction per clock cycle. Code can be ported with little changes between them. The Atmel I had in mind was the MCS51 core, not AVR. You are right, the AVRs are faster. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 21:27:48 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:27:48 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto Message-ID: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). What I would like: *ADSL 1 to 3Mbit *I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want *I can run services if I want to *Static IP *Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course always nice). Would be nice but really not needed: *Choice of what static IP resolves to What I don't need: *Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know better anyhow. *Email (I have plenty already). *Web space (I have that too). *Unreliable service If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. Any suggestions? Any horror stories? Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some not so great service. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 21:36:58 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:36:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4907.216.138.194.32.1073511418.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few > weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). > > > Any suggestions? Any horror stories? Stay away from wiznet (formerly dsl.ca). They can't get their accounting right and regularily cut me off for non-payment because the accountant doesn't tell the techs that I'm paid up. They usually cut me off on Friday night and I'm down until Monday. It's happened a few times, and if I wasn't heading out of town I'de be signing up with Ralph at istop. -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 22:37:09 2004 From: awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org (Drew Hamilton) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:37:09 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040107223709.GA8447%awh@awh.org> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 04:27:48PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Any suggestions? Any horror stories? I've been really happy with Trytel. They're based in Ottawa but they serve most of Ontario (anywhere that is served by Nexxia, which is what you're going to get with any of the DSL providers). - awh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 23:29:33 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:29:33 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200401071829.33771.fraser@wehave.net> On January 7, 2004 04:27 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few > weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). > > What I would like: > *ADSL 1 to 3Mbit > *I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want > *I can run services if I want to > *Static IP > *Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course always > nice). I've been with istop for a while (I think a little over 2 months) and I have no complaints so far. There was one lengthy outage (4-5 hours) overnight and one short outage during the day. My connection has failed at most 5 times and in all but the above 2 cases restarting the ppp connection resolved the problem ... I haven't checked my ppp settings yet, I'd think it should automatically reconnect. My service is (I believe) 384K/1.7M, bandwidth cap is 25GB but there is no bandwidth cap from 0200 to 1000. I download my Debian updates and do some rsync backups at night so it's nice that those don't count. > Would be nice but really not needed: > *Choice of what static IP resolves to I haven't asked for that but I can't see why they wouldn't do it. My ip resolves to istopusername.tor.istop.com. > What I don't need: > *Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know better > anyhow. > *Email (I have plenty already). > *Web space (I have that too). > *Unreliable service Well istop does give you email but as far as I recall none of those other items (unless you pay a little extra to get them). You can configure istop email forwarding through their web interface. > If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. With static ip and all taxes my monthly bill is just over $36. I could knock of $5/month from that if I'd gone for a one-time $50 static ip setup fee. > Any suggestions? Any horror stories? I'm satisfied with istop so far that doesn't guarantee anything though. Ralph was pretty busy on this list but has been non-existent lately, perhaps he went and got too many customers. Still what is promising for me is that istop actually stopped accepting customers for a while, that indicates to me that they're willing to control their growth rather than just accept customers willy-nilly. My downloads from Debian mirrors peak out at 143+KB/sec, a few times I've seen it get up to Bell speeds (183 KB/sec). I actually use their proxy server which slows me down, I just use the proxy because I think it's a good thing to do. > Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some > not so great service. I seem to recall someone mentioning that they resell Wiznet/DSL/Velocet/whoever service, if that's really true I wouldn't consider them no matter how good the deal. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 01:58:05 2004 From: jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:58:05 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040107205804.E25483@algate.perlwolf.com> When Sympatico quietly began to prohibit incoming SMTP to their customers last June (so quiet that they didn't tell their tech support people at first, so I spent an extra week trying to find a problem at my end after being assured that they had definitely not changed their blocking policies), I switched to eol.ca. The service from eol.ca seems fine. It is costing me $37 (and change) per month, it would be $5 (+ tax) higher if I got a fixed IP address. This is 1.5 Mbit service (3 Mbit service would cost twice as much for the dynamic IP plus the same $5 extra for fixed IP). You can use your own ADSL modem. or they sell or rent them. There is no cap. You can run services. If you need any sort of service, they do not insist that you run an MS product to even start talking to them. You do get an email address (which they use by default for billing and service announcements, but I presume that can be changed). I've found that the DSL connection has been dropping 4-8 times per month. About half of the time, the modem just picks up the connection again (I notice that it happened when the IP address has changed, so there are probably additional times when it drops and reconnects but is reassigned the same IP address). The other half of the time, the DSL modem (an OvisLink, which I bought from them) hangs and I have to power cycle it to get it to reconnect. Choosing your own DSL modem, you'll probably do better than that. On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 04:27:48PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few > weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). > > What I would like: > *ADSL 1 to 3Mbit > *I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want > *I can run services if I want to > *Static IP > *Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course always > nice). > > Would be nice but really not needed: > *Choice of what static IP resolves to > > What I don't need: > *Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know better > anyhow. > *Email (I have plenty already). > *Web space (I have that too). > *Unreliable service > > If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. > > Any suggestions? Any horror stories? > > Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some > not so great service. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 01:30:33 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:30:33 -0500 Subject: central mail In-Reply-To: <3FFC416D.7D474251-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> <1073355245.3270.10.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <3FFC416D.7D474251@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1073525433.16233.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 12:27, Chris Aitken wrote: > > My problem was that I wanted to access my email from any computer in the > > house. This included the Inbox. > > But shouldn't the 'Inbox' be the same in every PC's mail client unless you uncheck > 'Leave Messages on Server' (or whatever the setting is in your mail client)? Yeah, you're right. Forgot about that option. :-) The only thing you really have to watch out for is not letting your Inbox grow too big. Your ISP may have a restriction as to how big your Inbox can get, and once it hits that point, your mail may be rejected. Sort of like with Yahoo and Hotmail, you get something like 1Mb or so of space. If you exceed that, your email gets bounced. > As per my explanation above you would be able to see the same mail over and over > unless you uncheck 'Leave Messages on Server'. I'm not trying to be pompous or the > Devil's Advocate. It's just that POP is doing for me everything that you say it > should not. I probably will switch to IMAPI eventually, but things will have ot > get more painful before I do. I sometimes wonder if IMAPI just delivers on the > promises that POP makes. : ) Not really. The only thing that option does with POP is remove the "delete" command after the mail is downloaded. POP is still a one-way transfer protocol for downloading mail. For your Inbox, you're getting the same effect, more or less, just not very elegantly... :-) > Yes, I can see that if I want to extend this > leave-the-mail-on-the-server-so-that-all-mail-clients-can-see-it to multiple > folders, maybe *that's* where I would need IMAPI. I can't speak for everyone, but most people I know organize their email into various folders, either by subject, or sender, or whatever. With IMAP, all the folders stay on the server, as well as your Inbox. You can create and delete folders, and copy mail into them, and everything actually exists on the server side. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 02:17:19 2004 From: awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org (Drew Hamilton) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:17:19 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040108021718.GA9292%awh@awh.org> On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 04:27:48PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few > weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). On a similar note, does anyone know anyplace in Toronto that could colo a mid-tower server cheap? I'm leaving the country and I need to move my computer that's been previously stuck at the end of my DSL line. I've found a place in Ottawa that gives decent prices, but if I could find a place that didn't mean that I had to drive to Ottawa, that would be better. - awh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 03:29:54 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:29:54 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3FFCCEB2.1090905@muskokatech.ca> I have been with istop for 3 or 4 months and have been very happy. They offer a static ip for $4/month. I bought a refurbished modem from them, so my monthly cost for 1.7 meg dsl is 36.33. Jeremy Baker Lennart Sorensen wrote: >So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few >weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). > >What I would like: >*ADSL 1 to 3Mbit >*I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want >*I can run services if I want to >*Static IP >*Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course always > nice). > >Would be nice but really not needed: >*Choice of what static IP resolves to > >What I don't need: >*Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know better > anyhow. >*Email (I have plenty already). >*Web space (I have that too). >*Unreliable service > >If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. > >Any suggestions? Any horror stories? > >Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some >not so great service. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 03:19:04 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:19:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040108021718.GA9292%awh-z32R3RYGf1M@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040108021718.GA9292%awh@awh.org> Message-ID: <2090.216.138.194.32.1073531944.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > On a similar note, does anyone know anyplace in Toronto that could colo > a mid-tower server cheap? I'm leaving the country and I need to move > my computer that's been previously stuck at the end of my DSL line. > > I've found a place in Ottawa that gives decent prices, but if I could > find a place that didn't mean that I had to drive to Ottawa, that would > be better. I sent mine to Vancouver to get $250/mo. shopped here and best I could get was at least $100 more -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 04:21:15 2004 From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew Gamble) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:21:15 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <2090.216.138.194.32.1073531944.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040108021718.GA9292%awh@awh.org> <2090.216.138.194.32.1073531944.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <3FFCDABB.603@mgamble.ca> Hate to toot the horn of my employer (Echo Online / PlanetESS), but you might want to look at http://www.planetess.com/colocation.shtml (and yes, will will take a mid-tower as a bronze collocation). Regards, M. Gamble Keith Mastin wrote:* * >>On a similar note, does anyone know anyplace in Toronto that could colo >>a mid-tower server cheap? I'm leaving the country and I need to move >>my computer that's been previously stuck at the end of my DSL line. >> >>I've found a place in Ottawa that gives decent prices, but if I could >>find a place that didn't mean that I had to drive to Ottawa, that would >>be better. >> >> > >I sent mine to Vancouver to get $250/mo. shopped here and best I could get >was at least $100 more > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 04:21:06 2004 From: rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Chris Keelan) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:21:06 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107205804.E25483-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040107205804.E25483@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040107232106.0cb69412.rufmetal@eol.ca> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:58:05 -0500 John Macdonald wrote: > I've found that the DSL connection has been dropping > 4-8 times per month. About half of the time, the > modem just picks up the connection again (I notice > that it happened when the IP address has changed, > so there are probably additional times when it > drops and reconnects but is reassigned the same > IP address). I'm using an Alcatel Speed Touch Home modem and a fixed IP. I have never had a line drop with eol.ca. Been with them for a year and I'm very happy with the service. ~ C -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 04:59:52 2004 From: rfk-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Robert F. Kennedy) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:59:52 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <3FFCCEB2.1090905-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFCCEB2.1090905@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <003a01c3d5a4$40222c00$1902a8c0@coilnetworks.com> I just switched from EOL to istop. Myself and housemates found that the line dropped too often with EOL. My housemate uses VPN from home to his office computer and had a lot of problems with dropped lines. Since we have switched, about seven weeks now, all has been very good. Best, Robert Robert F. Kennedy Toronto -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:30 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: DSL providers in Toronto I have been with istop for 3 or 4 months and have been very happy. They offer a static ip for $4/month. I bought a refurbished modem from them, so my monthly cost for 1.7 meg dsl is 36.33. Jeremy Baker Lennart Sorensen wrote: >So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last >few weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to >Rogers). > >What I would like: >*ADSL 1 to 3Mbit >*I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want >*I can run services if I want to >*Static IP >*Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course >always nice). > >Would be nice but really not needed: >*Choice of what static IP resolves to > >What I don't need: >*Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know >better anyhow. *Email (I have plenty already). >*Web space (I have that too). >*Unreliable service > >If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. > >Any suggestions? Any horror stories? > >Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some >not so great service. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 05:50:27 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:50:27 -0500 Subject: central mail References: <3FD5171B.A49304B9@onlink.net> <3FD5221F.1010305@sympatico.ca> <3FF963C2.4CB5F207@onlink.net> <1073355245.3270.10.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <3FFC416D.7D474251@onlink.net> <1073525433.16233.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <3FFCEFA3.EE29AA0A@onlink.net> Paul Mora wrote: > [...] > Your ISP may have a restriction as to how big your Inbox can get, and I see. I guess my usage style is such that I want the little Inbox mail I get to stay on the server untiil I get a chance to download it to my two machines. Then I happily delete them from the server. So, for me, the above has not been an issue. > [...] > > get more painful before I do. I sometimes wonder if IMAPI just delivers on the > > promises that POP makes. : ) > > Not really. The only thing that option does with POP is remove the > "delete" command after the mail is downloaded. POP is still a one-way > transfer protocol for downloading mail. For your Inbox, you're getting > the same effect, more or less, just not very elegantly... :-) Yeah, exactly - that's the way I understand it. > [...] > IMAP, all the folders stay on the server, as well as your Inbox. You > can create and delete folders, and copy mail into them, and everything > actually exists on the server side. OK. Thanks, Paul. Your explanations have been helpful. Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 06:56:42 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 01:56:42 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch Message-ID: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> Dear shell scripters, I wrote a patch to Bash-2.05b, incorporating Awk and Python features that I like and use often. Most recently, I added regular expression to [...], [[...]], 'test', and 'case' statements. Other major features are - splitting and extracting regex patterns - integer and letter generation - multi-variable for-loop In essence, I've been trying to extend Bash's capability, so that I don't have to keep going back and forth between Bash and Awk/Python/Perl for silly little things. I would like beta testers. Any feedback would be welcome. Relevant files are http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/bash.diff --> my patch ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/bash/bash-2.05b.tar.gz --> Bash source and there are short descriptions in articles that I posted, http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.unix.shell&selm=btgihg%246gdcq%241%40ID-99293.news.uni-berlin.de http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.unix.shell&selm=btinhd%247j07e%241%40ID-99293.news.uni-berlin.de -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 07:35:33 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:35:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: <20040108065642.GA4952-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, William Park wrote: > Dear shell scripters, > > I wrote a patch to Bash-2.05b, incorporating Awk and Python features > that I like and use often. Most recently, I added regular expression to > [...], [[...]], 'test', and 'case' statements. Other major features > are > - splitting and extracting regex patterns > - integer and letter generation > - multi-variable for-loop > > In essence, I've been trying to extend Bash's capability, so that I > don't have to keep going back and forth between Bash and Awk/Python/Perl > for silly little things. > > I would like beta testers. Any feedback would be welcome. "array -s" behaves the same as "array -r" $ q=( q w e r t y u i o p ) $ printf " %b" "\n" "${q[@]}" "\n\n" q w e r t y u i o p $ array -s q $ printf " %b" "\n" "${q[@]}" "\n\n" p o i u y t r e w q $ array -r q $ printf " %b" "\n" "${q[@]}" "\n\n" q w e r t y u i o p $ .....more later; it's bedtime You might like to try a script I just wrote: > Relevant files are > http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/bash.diff --> my patch > ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/bash/bash-2.05b.tar.gz --> Bash source > and there are short descriptions in articles that I > posted, > http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.unix.shell&selm=btgihg%246gdcq%241%40ID-99293.news.uni-berlin.de > http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.unix.shell&selm=btinhd%247j07e%241%40ID-99293.news.uni-berlin.de > > -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 08:35:30 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 03:35:30 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040108083530.GA6712@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 02:35:33AM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > "array -s" behaves the same as "array -r" Thanks. Typo fixed. New diff is at http://ftp.eol.ca/~parkw/bash.diff -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rico.juan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 10:49:35 2004 From: rico.juan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Juan Rico) Date: 08 Jan 2004 10:49:35 +0000 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <20040107212748.GM7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1073558974.1510.3.camel@mayabee> If you are shopping for DSL service go to www.canadianisp.com there you will find may be the right one that fits your requirements On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 21:27, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > So now that I am getting pretty fed up using 56k dialup for the last few > weeks, I think I need to consider DSL (No I am not talking to Rogers). > > What I would like: > *ADSL 1 to 3Mbit > *I can buy whatever ADSL modem I want > *I can run services if I want to > *Static IP > *Reasonable transfer limits per month (although none is of course always > nice). > > Would be nice but really not needed: > *Choice of what static IP resolves to > > What I don't need: > *Tech support to tell me how to configure programs I already know better > anyhow. > *Email (I have plenty already). > *Web space (I have that too). > *Unreliable service > > If that's possible for under $50 per month, that would be nice. > > Any suggestions? Any horror stories? > > Toronto freenet looks promising, but someone said they just resell some > not so great service. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Juan Rico Registered Linux User #333551 mayabee 2.6.0 i686 GNU/Linux 10:46:26 up 15 min, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.11, 0.08. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 16:31:46 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:31:46 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <1073558974.1510.3.camel-yPbm7qHBTMA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040107212748.GM7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1073558974.1510.3.camel@mayabee> Message-ID: <200401081131.46732.fraser@wehave.net> On Thursday 08 January 2004 05:49, Juan Rico wrote: > If you are shopping for DSL service go to www.canadianisp.com there you > will find may be the right one that fits your requirements There's also the newsgroup can.highspeed.internet -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 17:05:05 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:05:05 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040108172440.E5EE3E7C93@gateway.vipond.ca> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > Sorensen > Sent: January 7, 2004 1:49 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > I haven't seen a video card that accepts component video. svideo just > has one wire for luma (brightness?) and one for chroma (I think the ATI All-in-Wonder 4 Head Input cable - S-Vid, Comp, Audio - $10.00 I've used the Componment OUTPUT cable on my AIW 9700 but now I find myself wanting to check the box again to see if I do have componment input in there. PS2 sure is fuzzy on the S-Video connector. http://buy.ati.com/shopati/product.asp?category=AA&part%5Fno=CABLE+4900+CDN& find%5Fcategory=AA&find%5Fdescription=Accessories&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=&countr y=CAN Hopefully that URL works. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From MichaelGalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 17:30:07 2004 From: MichaelGalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:30:07 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Keelan [mailto:rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: DSL providers in Toronto > > > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 20:58:05 -0500 > John Macdonald wrote: > > > I've found that the DSL connection has been dropping > > 4-8 times per month. About half of the time, the > > modem just picks up the connection again (I notice > > that it happened when the IP address has changed, > > so there are probably additional times when it > > drops and reconnects but is reassigned the same > > IP address). > > I'm using an Alcatel Speed Touch Home modem and a fixed IP. I > have never > had a line drop with eol.ca. Been with them for a year and I'm very > happy with the service. > > ~ C Curious. I also use eol at home, have a speed touch and a fixed IP but do see a number of disconnections each month. Service is otherwise reliable. Customer support experience at eol seems to vary. Some know Linux, some don't. When I emailed them a few months ago to ask them if they supported pop over ssh, they first asked me what it was and then took a day or two to figure out they didn't support it.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 17:40:46 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 08 Jan 2004 12:40:46 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: <20040108065642.GA4952-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > In essence, I've been trying to extend Bash's capability, so that I > don't have to keep going back and forth between Bash and Awk/Python/Perl > for silly little things. Have you looked at zsh? As a programming language, its much more sophisticated than bash and can be extended via shared libraries. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 7 20:42:40 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:42:40 +0200 (IST) Subject: Linux (opensource) for toronto In-Reply-To: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel-ZPnsNkHkFjk@public.gmane.org> References: <49387.66.11.182.5.1073452338.squirrel@cbits.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Jason Carson wrote: > According to this news release by the city of Toronto > http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsrel.nsf/7017df2f20edbe2885256619004e428e/2ecff1f89300b50385256e13006b1f3e?OpenDocument > the mayor is looking for input on the 2004 budget.. > > "Listening to Toronto is our first step in bringing people from across the > city together so they can help shape Toronto's budget discussion. I will > attend each of the six sessions along with Budget Advisory Committee Chair > Soknacki and members of Council. We want to hear what the people have to > say, " Miller said. > > I've heard people discuss this issue (opensource for local government) in > the past so this looks like a good opportunity to bring it up. Meanwhile you can quote as a precedent Israel as the country (not city!) that stopped buying M$ this year because M$ refused to sell them partial bundles of office software and because of the licensing fees. There are references to this all over the web. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 17:45:16 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:45:16 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040108174516.GTHW23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > > From: "Gregory Pleau" > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 12:05:05 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > > Sorensen > > Sent: January 7, 2004 1:49 PM > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > > > > I haven't seen a video card that accepts component video. svideo just > > has one wire for luma (brightness?) and one for chroma (I think the > > ATI All-in-Wonder 4 Head Input cable - S-Vid, Comp, Audio - $10.00 > I've used the Componment OUTPUT cable on my AIW 9700 but now I find myself > wanting to check the box again to see if I do have componment input in > there. > > PS2 sure is fuzzy on the S-Video connector. Is that using S-Video directly connected to the video card? That's precisely my problem, except that I'm not using S-Video but composite and I'm connecting it through my ATI TV Wonder Pro. > > http://buy.ati.com/shopati/product.asp?category=AA&part%5Fno=CABLE+4900+CDN& > find%5Fcategory=AA&find%5Fdescription=Accessories&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=&countr > y=CAN > > Hopefully that URL works. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 17:45:29 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:45:29 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040108174529.GTJK23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > > From: "Gregory Pleau" > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 12:05:05 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Lennart > > Sorensen > > Sent: January 7, 2004 1:49 PM > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > > > > I haven't seen a video card that accepts component video. svideo just > > has one wire for luma (brightness?) and one for chroma (I think the > > ATI All-in-Wonder 4 Head Input cable - S-Vid, Comp, Audio - $10.00 > I've used the Componment OUTPUT cable on my AIW 9700 but now I find myself > wanting to check the box again to see if I do have componment input in > there. > > PS2 sure is fuzzy on the S-Video connector. Is that using S-Video directly connected to the video card? That's precisely my problem, except that I'm not using S-Video but composite and I'm connecting it through my ATI TV Wonder Pro. > > http://buy.ati.com/shopati/product.asp?category=AA&part%5Fno=CABLE+4900+CDN& > find%5Fcategory=AA&find%5Fdescription=Accessories&find%5Fpart%5Fdesc=&countr > y=CAN > > Hopefully that URL works. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 18:09:43 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:09:43 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108130644.0c0acba0@localhost> At 12:30 08/01/2004 -0500, Michael Galea wrote: >Customer support experience at eol seems to vary. Some know >Linux, some don't. When I emailed them a few months ago to >ask them if they supported pop over ssh, they first asked me >what it was and then took a day or two to figure out they >didn't support it. I am wondering why you had to ask them at all. If you can ssh to them, you can download your POP mail using that ssh tunnel by using port forwarding regardless of whether they "support" it or not. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 18:14:39 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:14:39 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040108174529.GTJK23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108174529.GTJK23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <20040108183415.C6AFAE7C92@gateway.vipond.ca> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Matthew > Godycki > Sent: January 8, 2004 12:45 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > > > > PS2 sure is fuzzy on the S-Video connector. > > Is that using S-Video directly connected to the video card? > That's precisely my problem, except that I'm not using S-Video but > composite and I'm connecting it through my ATI TV Wonder Pro. > I have an All-in-Wonder so the TV Capture / Tuner is integrated on the card. I plug my s-video into a cable that ATi provides which combines things into that funky 12 pin or so connector they use. There is probably a discussion to be had about signal interaction between the wires in -that- cable but I'm not the person to go into that. I usually use my PS2 on the PC for one of two reasons - my wife wants the living room TV or I want quick access to gamefaqs.com ;) - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 18:51:08 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:51:08 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108130644.0c0acba0-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108130644.0c0acba0@localhost> Message-ID: <20040108135108.44986c10.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:09:43 -0500 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >Customer support experience at eol seems to vary. Some know > >Linux, some don't. When I emailed them a few months ago to > >ask them if they supported pop over ssh, they first asked me > >what it was and then took a day or two to figure out they > >didn't support it. > > I am wondering why you had to ask them at all. If you can ssh to them, you > can download your POP mail using that ssh tunnel by using port forwarding > regardless of whether they "support" it or not. They still beat Sympatico. When I asked *them* why I could no longer telnet into my POP server, they didn't know what telnet or POP were. Do *not* get Sympatico. Besides that, they don't allow you to run servers (well, P2P servers that chew up bandwidth and make them more money are OK, of course). Big fat pipe, though :-) -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."-- Karl Marx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 19:29:42 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:29:42 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040108192942.GA1469@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 12:40:46PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > William Park writes: > > > In essence, I've been trying to extend Bash's capability, so that I > > don't have to keep going back and forth between Bash and Awk/Python/Perl > > for silly little things. > > Have you looked at zsh? As a programming language, its much more > sophisticated than bash and can be extended via shared libraries. It has more completion, but that's only useful for interactive session. It has associative array which is one thing Bash lacks. Zsh's {1..5} expansion is 2x faster than Bash. It recently added multiple for-loop variables. But, I do use regular expression aweful lot, both in conditional test and in splitting/extracting strings. And, Bash source is better for patching. I mean, Zsh source is true spaghetti. :-) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 19:29:15 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:29:15 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors Message-ID: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > > From: "Gregory Pleau" > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 01:14:39 EST > To: > Subject: RE: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Video signal on monitors > > > I have an All-in-Wonder so the TV Capture / Tuner is integrated on the card. > I plug my s-video into a cable that ATi provides which combines things into > that funky 12 pin or so connector they use. There is probably a discussion > to be had about signal interaction between the wires in -that- cable but I'm > not the person to go into that. > > I usually use my PS2 on the PC for one of two reasons - my wife wants the > living room TV or I want quick access to gamefaqs.com ;) > > - Greg > Both very valid reasons, Greg. Might I ask you... How do you find the quality of the video when using your PC in the way you described versus using it on the tv? I notice a *significant* loss in quality using my current setup. -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 20:16:18 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:16:18 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: Hello, Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other problems. Alex ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 20:28:26 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:28:26 -0500 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. Message-ID: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> I can't seem to restart or stop a tomcat4 server on my system, I get : Stopping tomcat4: Using CATALINA_BASE: /var/tomcat4 Using CATALINA_HOME: /var/tomcat4 Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /var/tomcat4/temp Using JAVA_HOME: /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1_01 Exception during startup processing java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Unknown Source) [FAILED] and hangs there until ^c. Now this system was working fine until I tryed to allow a developer access to the tomcat files. If it's something I did or something they did I don't know. Unfortunatly the output above means nothing to me... The /var/log/tomcat4/ files show nothing. I've not been able to find anything like this on the web, just the usual it's and much longer 'it already stopped' message. Oh, and I can prove it's still running too, the previous default .jsp apps are still accessable... I could 'kill' it, but: 1) the developer still woulden't be able to restart it. 2) I'm not sure it won't restart for the same reasons. Any help/insite or general pointing to relivent information appreciated. Thanks Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 20:49:43 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:49:43 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: References: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154722.024d1a30@localhost> At 15:16 08/01/2004 -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: >Hello, > >Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops >using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an >ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other >problems. Hi, Xircom cards work fine. Xircom is owned by Intel so that is not surprising. 3com cards are also fine. There are many others. I suggest you look at for specific models. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 20:54:02 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:54:02 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: References: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154954.024ccab0@localhost> At 15:16 08/01/2004 -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: >Hello, > >Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops >using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an >ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other >problems. If you do not find a reference for a card that you are interested in at the site, if the store or person you are buying it from will allow you to try it on your laptop, that would be the ultimate test. If you do not want to carry the laptop with you, you could always take a Knoppix CD with you and boot from that on one of their machines with the card in question. If Knoppix does not auto detect it, it may still be a supported card but it will probably involve more work than it is worth so you should move on to another card. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 21:02:48 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:02:48 -0500 Subject: Online loan system Message-ID: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using MySQL database, and PHP. No money or curreny involved, and all liability, demand/supply, transfer of items and recovery is always with the owner of the item Just a group of people, say in a building, loan trivial items. (rakes,lawnmowers,cup of flour, movies) Kinda just like meetup.com., but with items, not people. Im not sure what category of PHP script I would be looking for. Maybe a library or loan system. Not really a classified ad system, because items would continually recycle. People would add/remove items to the database themselves. Any ideas? Before I write my own system? --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 21:06:16 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:06:16 -0500 Subject: Online loan system References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <001701c3d62b$42626bb0$0301a8c0@amazon> I was originally thinking of VHS movies, but I figure it could be applied to other items. I dont want it getting out of control, so I would need some administration control. (unlike ebay) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy Mills" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Online loan system > I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using > MySQL database, and PHP. > No money or curreny involved, and all liability, demand/supply, transfer of > items and recovery is always with the owner of the item > Just a group of people, say in a building, loan trivial items. > (rakes,lawnmowers,cup of flour, movies) > Kinda just like meetup.com., but with items, not people. > > Im not sure what category of PHP script I would be looking for. > Maybe a library or loan system. Not really a classified ad system, because > items would continually recycle. > > People would add/remove items to the database themselves. > Any ideas? Before I write my own system? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > teddy mills http://www.vger.ca > VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that > is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. > > Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" > Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 21:23:33 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 16:23:33 -0500 Subject: Online loan system In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <3FFDCA55.2060403@sympatico.ca> Teddy Mills wrote: >I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using >MySQL database, and PHP. >No money or curreny involved, and all liability, demand/supply, transfer of >items and recovery is always with the owner of the item >Just a group of people, say in a building, loan trivial items. >(rakes,lawnmowers,cup of flour, movies) >Kinda just like meetup.com., but with items, not people. > >Im not sure what category of PHP script I would be looking for. >Maybe a library or loan system. Not really a classified ad system, because >items would continually recycle. > >People would add/remove items to the database themselves. >Any ideas? Before I write my own system? > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >teddy mills http://www.vger.ca >VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that >is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. > >Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" >Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > I LIKE that idea, Teddy ! I'd use it. Lenders and borrowers could acumulate stats an' all, like ebay. There would be administrative issues, though. If it started to get out of hand, maybe you could work in a small fee and find someone who wanted to run it full time. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 21:48:44 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 08 Jan 2004 16:48:44 -0500 Subject: Online loan system In-Reply-To: <3FFDCA55.2060403-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <3FFDCA55.2060403@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: David J Patrick writes: > >I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using > >MySQL database, and PHP. > > I LIKE that idea, Teddy ! > I'd use it. So would I. I wanted to develop just this sort of thing as a 'library' for our homeschooling group. Let us know if you actually get around to doing it. I've been 'thinking about it' for a year and a half now :) -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 21:54:10 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:54:10 -0600 Subject: SuSE 9 Pro Message-ID: <200401081554.10583.Garth@Webostics.com> If someone has taste in Linux like my own, and already runs SuSE 9 Pro, please email me. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tom-X19vj+WbKj3k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 22:14:01 2004 From: tom-X19vj+WbKj3k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Tom Wright) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:14:01 -0500 Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting Message-ID: So all of a sudden I find my emails bouncing. A little investigation and it appears that SORBS identifies my IP as a dynamic one (quite right it is, although it hasnt changed fro at least 3 months) so is red flagging (or black holing) all emails sent from my server. Now I use the SORBS blacklists in my configuration and they have been a great help in cutting down spam but why are they so anti dynamic ip's? I've checked carefully and its not like my machine is an open relay. In addition reading the SOBS policy on dynamic ip's it seems likely that rogers has entered it's own dynamic ip address ranges into the SORBS database. This is a sneaky and underhand way of stopping me from running my own mail server. I would like to point out to rogers I was actually saving them processor cycles and thus money by handling my own email. Now it seems that I need to relay all my email through the rogers servers which if i remember correctly (must admit i havent checked this recently) not only require smtp authentication (irritating since one of my clients dosnt support it) but also require me to use a rogers.com addy as the from address. So who should I be pissed at here? Rogers - for making my life difficult SORBS - for being a little over eager Myself - for trying to get clever nyway enuff said time to find a solution -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:20:00 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:20:00 -0600 Subject: Online loan system References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <004c01c3d63d$f0474ea0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> Sounds like a good idea. If you go ahead and decide to write it youself, I'm sure there's a few people (myself included) that live and breath PHP/mySQL who could offer some ideas. I can't think of a classified-ad-type system off the top of my head, but maybe check www.zend.com to see if anyone has some sample code. Zoltan www.zee4.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy Mills" To: Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Online loan system > I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using > MySQL database, and PHP. > No money or curreny involved, and all liability, demand/supply, transfer of > items and recovery is always with the owner of the item > Just a group of people, say in a building, loan trivial items. > (rakes,lawnmowers,cup of flour, movies) > Kinda just like meetup.com., but with items, not people. > > Im not sure what category of PHP script I would be looking for. > Maybe a library or loan system. Not really a classified ad system, because > items would continually recycle. > > People would add/remove items to the database themselves. > Any ideas? Before I write my own system? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > teddy mills http://www.vger.ca > VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that > is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. > > Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" > Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 22:25:49 2004 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:25:49 -0500 Subject: SHUTDOWN -H NOW vs. INIT 0 References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <004c01c3d63d$f0474ea0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> Message-ID: <3FFDD8ED.9060508@vm-resources.com> Hi: I have compared the results of a linux shutdown -h now command versus the linux init 0. Looks to me like shutdown -h now sends a broadcast message early on to any telnet'ed accounts, and also has some additional processing that it does. Correct so far? Any comments? David Kreuter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From MichaelGalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 22:24:43 2004 From: MichaelGalea-4VtgCsEi+FIybS5Ee8rs3A at public.gmane.org (Michael Galea) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:24:43 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: CLIFFORD ILKAY [mailto:clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:10 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: DSL providers in Toronto > > > At 12:30 08/01/2004 -0500, Michael Galea wrote: > >Customer support experience at eol seems to vary. Some know > >Linux, some don't. When I emailed them a few months ago to > >ask them if they supported pop over ssh, they first asked me > >what it was and then took a day or two to figure out they > >didn't support it. > > I am wondering why you had to ask them at all. If you can ssh > to them, you > can download your POP mail using that ssh tunnel by using > port forwarding > regardless of whether they "support" it or not. > > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay That's just it, ssh to their mail server just timed out. So I went knocking.. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 11:03:46 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:03:46 -0500 Subject: mixed message Message-ID: <3FFD3911.5D746DC@onlink.net> I'm getting a mixed message trying to install VMware: [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -i /home/chris2/VMware-workstation-4.0.5-6030.i386.rpm package VMwareWorkstation-4.0.5-6030 is already installed [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -q VMwar* package VMwar* is not installed Sotlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, what's it gonna be? Installed or not? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:03:50 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:03:50 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108174613.024c1470@localhost> At 17:24 08/01/2004 -0500, Michael Galea wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CLIFFORD ILKAY [mailto:clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] > > > > At 12:30 08/01/2004 -0500, Michael Galea wrote: > > >Customer support experience at eol seems to vary. Some know > > >Linux, some don't. When I emailed them a few months ago to > > >ask them if they supported pop over ssh, they first asked me > > >what it was and then took a day or two to figure out they > > >didn't support it. > > > > I am wondering why you had to ask them at all. If you can ssh > > to them, you > > can download your POP mail using that ssh tunnel by using > > port forwarding > > regardless of whether they "support" it or not. > >That's just it, ssh to their mail server just timed out. So I >went knocking. When you say ssh to their mail server timed out, were you doing ssh YourUID-qL7AqsbLqriBPTkbv0u5gVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org:110? If so, I am not surprised it would time out. If you can do ssh YourUID-qL7AqsbLqriBPTkbv0u5gVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org and get connected, you can do what you want. e.g. ssh -L 1110:SomeThingOrOther.com:110 YourUID-qL7AqsbLqriBPTkbv0u5gVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org (all on one line) should create an ssh tunnel between your computer and the remote host. You would point your mail client to check mail on your computer port 1110. Any POP requests that hit localhost:110 will be forwarded to remotehost:110 across the tunnel. Obviously, you should pick a local port that is not being used by something else. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:05:22 2004 From: emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org (Emir) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:05:22 -0500 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. In-Reply-To: <3FFDBD6A.6080908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FFDE232.70608@codemonkeys.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/2004 15:28, Lance F. Squire wrote: > I can't seem to restart or stop a tomcat4 server on my system, > I get : > > Stopping tomcat4: Using CATALINA_BASE: /var/tomcat4 > Using CATALINA_HOME: /var/tomcat4 > Using CATALINA_TMPDIR: /var/tomcat4/temp > Using JAVA_HOME: /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1_01 Don't need to set CATALINA_BASE or CATALINA_TMPDIR; unless you know the exact reason you're setting it, it's best left unset. All you need is CATALINA_HOME and JAVA_HOME and these need to point to the top level directory where Tomcat4 and J2SE are installed, respectively. On my machine, for example, it's /usr/java/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.24 and /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_03 > Exception during startup processing > java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina > at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) > at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) > at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Unknown Source) > [FAILED] Long story short: classloader is unable to locate org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina class (usually contained in $CATALINA_HOME/server/lib/catalina.jar). Did you change the directory structure of the Tomcat installation? Are you using default start/stop scripts? > and hangs there until ^c. > > Now this system was working fine until I tryed to allow a developer > access to the tomcat files. What exactly do you mean by that? - -- Emir. "Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently. And for the very same reason." -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQE//eIxuSy542G+Z7QRAjtOAJ9kp+sZYKGF2IeKIOZexYKvTlss8ACbB4qi bloZqnnB8L3JqQ0L4/ErxF8= =eNk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:13:11 2004 From: emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org (Emir) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:13:11 -0500 Subject: Alarmingly low levels of sea bass off the coast of Isle of Man In-Reply-To: <3FFDD8ED.9060508-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <004c01c3d63d$f0474ea0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> <3FFDD8ED.9060508@vm-resources.com> Message-ID: <3FFDE407.6020506@codemonkeys.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/2004 17:25, David Kreuter wrote: > Hi: I have compared the results of a linux shutdown -h now command > versus the > linux init 0. > Looks to me like shutdown -h now sends a broadcast message early on to > any telnet'ed accounts, > and also has some additional processing that it does. Correct so far? > Any comments? Yes: never start a new thread by replying to an existing unrelated one. - -- Emir. "Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently. And for the very same reason." -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQE//eQHuSy542G+Z7QRAlSeAJ0ayhQCEKqIQUX65j/2qc/iMFLMxACfeczK DqcEOQ/glRIx26y5Y1T7qdE= =mGrk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:14:59 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:14:59 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <20040106023758.D25483-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <20040106023758.D25483@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108180448.029f5fc8@localhost> At 02:38 06/01/2004 -0500, John Macdonald wrote: >On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:52:04PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > The only relatively "safe" way to get a quasi-atomic backup is to use > > LVM, so that you can atomically "split off" a temporary copy of the > > filessystem. That makes the backup "atomic," which can allow satisfying > > databases' needs for consistency. You may need to recover the database, > > but that usually fits into its design. > >With IBM's DB2 UDB database, there is an improvement >to be made to this process. It has a command to >suspend write IO (which also updates the log before >stopping writes). Then you can split off a copy, >and resume writes. The copy can then be restarted (no >recovery required). Since it is only writes that are >suspended, read transactions are not blocked at all, >and write transactions can be carried out up to the >point of committing (which then has to wait for the >write resume). Depending upon the mechanism used to >split off the copy, this can be a very fast operation >- using EMC Symmetrix storage array, I split off a >copy of a 64 MB database with writes suspended for >only a few seconds. I take it this is/was a VC backed dot com:) That sounds like an awful lot of overkill just for a database that would fit on a Zip drive or a USB pen with room to spare. I presume you did not mean 64GB. It would not take much longer to shut the DBMS down, copy the files, and start it back up with PostgreSQL but then you would not have to do that anyway with pg_dump since pg_dump will make consistent backups of live data. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:29:29 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 08 Jan 2004 18:29:29 -0500 Subject: mixed message In-Reply-To: <3FFD3911.5D746DC-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFD3911.5D746DC@onlink.net> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -i > /home/chris2/VMware-workstation-4.0.5-6030.i386.rpm > package VMwareWorkstation-4.0.5-6030 is already installed > [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -q VMwar* > package VMwar* is not installed > > Sotlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, what's it gonna be? Installed or not? Installed. man rpm or try: rpm -qa |grep -i vmware If you're missing files, you could also force it to reinstall. HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 8 23:32:27 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:32:27 -0500 Subject: Online loan system In-Reply-To: <001701c3d62b$42626bb0$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <001701c3d62b$42626bb0$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <3FFDE88B.2010606@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > I was originally thinking of VHS movies Do they still make those? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From richard-V/bAIgBe0l5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 00:07:49 2004 From: richard-V/bAIgBe0l5Wk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Richard Audette) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:07:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Online loan system In-Reply-To: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0-vAnPq90cUBg@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Teddy Mills wrote: >I was thinking of making a voluntary automated online loan system, using >MySQL database, and PHP. I came across this randomly browsing yesterday: Online Library Application http://ola.sourceforge.net/ "OLA is a browser-based library database for organizations with a small library (from hundreds to thousands of resources) and a small client base. The software allows users to browse the library collection over the internet, and allows authorized persons to manage sign-in and sign-out procedures, resource adds and updates, and data backups." It's PHP + MySQL - I haven't used it personally. Richard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 01:23:03 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:23:03 -0500 Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401082023.03410.fraser@wehave.net> On January 8, 2004 05:14 pm, Tom Wright wrote: > blacklists in my configuration and they have been a great help in cutting > down spam but why are they so anti dynamic ip's? I've checked carefully Because huge volumes of spam come from dialup, cable and dsl connections. Personally I have nothing against blacklisting home Internet connections, a home user usually has good solutions available for relaying their mail (Rogers auth requirement is a PITA). Those who want to send directly are usually running their own mailservers (crontavening AUP) or they're spammers. Sympatico and Rogers are both lying bastards when you get right down to it, they will never admint that a problem is on their end. For anyone remotely technically competent there are better solutions, even if you're not techically competent there are probably better solutions. > nyway enuff said time to find a solution Solutions are out there, see discussion about DSL providers recently. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 01:36:52 2004 From: dkreuter-q4+D78v0SMv8u52rGdhAxQ at public.gmane.org (David Kreuter) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:36:52 -0500 Subject: Alarmingly low levels of sea bass off the coast of Isle of Man References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <004c01c3d63d$f0474ea0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> <3FFDD8ED.9060508@vm-resources.com> <3FFDE407.6020506@codemonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3FFE05B4.1010306@vm-resources.com> Don't follow your meaning. Did I reply to another subject? If so I apologize but I did not see an incorrect subject in my mail reader. David Emir wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On 08/01/2004 17:25, David Kreuter wrote: > > > >>Hi: I have compared the results of a linux shutdown -h now command >>versus the >>linux init 0. >>Looks to me like shutdown -h now sends a broadcast message early on to >>any telnet'ed accounts, >>and also has some additional processing that it does. Correct so far? >>Any comments? >> >> > >Yes: never start a new thread by replying to an existing unrelated one. >- -- >Emir. > >"Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently. > And for the very same reason." -- Anonymous >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) > >iD8DBQE//eQHuSy542G+Z7QRAlSeAJ0ayhQCEKqIQUX65j/2qc/iMFLMxACfeczK >DqcEOQ/glRIx26y5Y1T7qdE= >=mGrk >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 01:35:49 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:35:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: SuSE 9 Pro In-Reply-To: <200401081554.10583.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401081554.10583.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: there's nothing wrong with suse:) On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Garth Meisel wrote: > If someone has taste in Linux like my own, and already runs SuSE 9 Pro, please > email me. Thanks. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 01:37:09 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: you should still be able to use it for an email server, I am right now. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Tom Wright wrote: > > So all of a sudden I find my emails bouncing. A little investigation and > it appears that SORBS identifies my IP as a dynamic one (quite right it > is, although it hasnt changed fro at least 3 months) so is red flagging > (or black holing) all emails sent from my server. Now I use the SORBS > blacklists in my configuration and they have been a great help in cutting > down spam but why are they so anti dynamic ip's? I've checked carefully > and its not like my machine is an open relay. > In addition reading the SOBS policy on dynamic ip's it seems likely that > rogers has entered it's own dynamic ip address ranges into the SORBS > database. This is a sneaky and underhand way of stopping me from running > my own mail server. I would like to point out to rogers I was actually > saving them processor cycles and thus money by handling my own email. > Now it seems that I need to relay all my email through the rogers servers > which if i remember correctly (must admit i havent checked this recently) > not only require smtp authentication (irritating since one of my clients > dosnt support it) but also require me to use a rogers.com addy as the from > address. > > So who should I be pissed at here? > Rogers - for making my life difficult > SORBS - for being a little over eager > Myself - for trying to get clever > > nyway enuff said time to find a solution > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 02:44:58 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:44:58 -0500 Subject: Alarmingly low levels of sea bass off the coast of Isle of Man In-Reply-To: <3FFDE407.6020506-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw@public.gmane.org> References: <000d01c3d62a$c5cf6620$0301a8c0@amazon> <004c01c3d63d$f0474ea0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> <3FFDD8ED.9060508@vm-resources.com> <3FFDE407.6020506@codemonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3FFE15AA.8020603@sympatico.ca> >On 08/01/2004 17:25, David Kreuter wrote: > > > >>Hi: I have compared the results of a linux shutdown -h now command >>versus the >>linux init 0. >>Looks to me like shutdown -h now sends a broadcast message early on to >>any telnet'ed accounts, >>and also has some additional processing that it does. Correct so far? >>Any comments? >> >> > >Yes: never start a new thread by replying to an existing unrelated one. >- -- >Emir. > > yes yes Emir, but what about the BASS ! ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 03:52:36 2004 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:52:36 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401082252.36802.mervc@eol.ca> On January 8, 2004 03:16 pm, Alex Maynard wrote: > Hello, > > Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops > using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an > ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other > problems. > > Alex > I am using a USB ethernet card and it has worked well for about a year. Pretty cheap too. -- Merv Curley Scarborough, Ont Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 04:07:19 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 21:07:19 -0700 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108180448.029f5fc8-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040108180448.029f5fc8@localhost> Message-ID: <20040109040719.GA95054@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:14:59PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >With IBM's DB2 UDB database, there is an improvement > >to be made to this process. It has a command to > >suspend write IO (which also updates the log before > >stopping writes). Then you can split off a copy, > >and resume writes. The copy can then be restarted (no Or you could do an online backup. It takes longer to restore (since you still have to rollforward through the logs generated during the online backup), but it doesn't require you to suspend writes at all. > PostgreSQL but then you would not have to do that anyway with pg_dump since > pg_dump will make consistent backups of live data. Is PostgreSQL with pg_dump ACID? (I honestly don't know) -- Taavi Burns Member of Kokopelli -- kokopellichoir.com -- /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 04:11:22 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:11:22 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: <200401082252.36802.mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401082252.36802.mervc@eol.ca> Message-ID: I have a Xircom RealPort Ethernet 10/100 PCMCIA type II on my old Pentium laptop. Works great. Seems to come standard with most distros, Redhat and Slack9 included. The upside is that the card has a full-sized jack built into it's face, so you don't need a dongle. The downside is that it's a type III height (double-card height) even though it's a type II card. On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Merv Curley wrote: > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:52:36 -0500 > From: Merv Curley > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Laptop Ethernet Card > > On January 8, 2004 03:16 pm, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops > > using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an > > ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other > > problems. > > > > Alex > > > > I am using a USB ethernet card and it has worked well for about a year. > Pretty cheap too. > > > -- > Merv Curley > > Scarborough, Ont > > Libranet Linux 2.8 KDE 3.1.4 KMail 1.5.4 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 05:05:02 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:05:02 -0500 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. References: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> <3FFDE232.70608@codemonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3FFE367E.7000300@alteeve.com> Emir wrote: > > Don't need to set CATALINA_BASE or CATALINA_TMPDIR; unless you know the exact > reason you're setting it, it's best left unset. All you need is CATALINA_HOME > and JAVA_HOME and these need to point to the top level directory where Tomcat4 > and J2SE are installed, respectively. On my machine, for example, it's > /usr/java/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.24 and /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_03 > I'll check if the developer did that. > >>Exception during startup processing >>java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina >> at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) >> at org.apache.catalina.loader.StandardClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) >> at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Unknown Source) >> [FAILED] > > > Long story short: classloader is unable to locate > org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina class (usually contained in > $CATALINA_HOME/server/lib/catalina.jar). Did you change the directory > structure of the Tomcat installation? Are you using default start/stop scripts? > Thanks, That gives me something to look at... >>Now this system was working fine until I tryed to allow a developer >>access to the tomcat files. > > > What exactly do you mean by that? > I'd rather plead the fifth on that one :) Actually, I chgrp everything under bla/../tomcat4. to tomcat4. I thought this would work as I had made the developer part of the tomcat4 grp. But it didn't, so I changed access mode to world read write execute. Not wise, not secure, (My BAD...)but now the developer could access the relative files. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 06:35:56 2004 From: jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 01:35:56 -0500 Subject: Anyone whose ever had to rebuild a server just fromtapes might agree In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108180448.029f5fc8-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E283191DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4847.216.138.194.32.1073333342.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> <20040106035205.C6ECA3FDD@cbbrowne.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040108180448.029f5fc8@localhost> Message-ID: <20040109013556.G25483@algate.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:14:59PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > At 02:38 06/01/2004 -0500, John Macdonald wrote: > >On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 10:52:04PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> The only relatively "safe" way to get a quasi-atomic backup is to use > >> LVM, so that you can atomically "split off" a temporary copy of the > >> filessystem. That makes the backup "atomic," which can allow satisfying > >> databases' needs for consistency. You may need to recover the database, > >> but that usually fits into its design. > > > >With IBM's DB2 UDB database, there is an improvement > >to be made to this process. It has a command to > >suspend write IO (which also updates the log before > >stopping writes). Then you can split off a copy, > >and resume writes. The copy can then be restarted (no > >recovery required). Since it is only writes that are > >suspended, read transactions are not blocked at all, > >and write transactions can be carried out up to the > >point of committing (which then has to wait for the > >write resume). Depending upon the mechanism used to > >split off the copy, this can be a very fast operation > >- using EMC Symmetrix storage array, I split off a > >copy of a 64 MB database with writes suspended for > >only a few seconds. > > I take it this is/was a VC backed dot com:) That sounds like an awful lot > of overkill just for a database that would fit on a Zip drive or a USB pen > with room to spare. I presume you did not mean 64GB. It would not take much > longer to shut the DBMS down, copy the files, and start it back up with > PostgreSQL but then you would not have to do that anyway with pg_dump since > pg_dump will make consistent backups of live data. Blush, yes, that was 64 GB, not MB. (The Symmetrix described above had 4 TB of disk space on it, but the new one that has since replaced it has about triple that - 96 drives of 147 GB each under the hood.) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 05:42:09 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:42:09 -0700 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. In-Reply-To: <3FFE367E.7000300-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> <3FFDE232.70608@codemonkeys.org> <3FFE367E.7000300@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040109054209.GA97720@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:05:02AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Actually, I chgrp everything under bla/../tomcat4. to tomcat4. I thought > this would work as I had made the developer part of the tomcat4 grp. But > it didn't, so I changed access mode to world read write execute. Not > wise, not secure, (My BAD...)but now the developer could access the > relative files. Yikes! No reason to give a+w! None whatsoever! r for files and rx for directories is more than sufficient (and x on files is probably not horrible). chmod -R o-w tomcat4 as a minimum, if not go-w, before you get rooted. ;) -- Taavi Burns Geer All The Way | A ccpeting | G overnment | G rants | I nstead of | E mployment /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 12:22:24 2004 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 07:22:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Tom Wright wrote: > So all of a sudden I find my emails bouncing. A little investigation and > it appears that SORBS identifies my IP as a dynamic one (quite right it > is, although it hasnt changed fro at least 3 months) so is red flagging > (or black holing) all emails sent from my server. Now I use the SORBS > blacklists in my configuration and they have been a great help in cutting > down spam but why are they so anti dynamic ip's? I've checked carefully > and its not like my machine is an open relay. > In addition reading the SOBS policy on dynamic ip's it seems likely that > rogers has entered it's own dynamic ip address ranges into the SORBS > database. This is a sneaky and underhand way of stopping me from running > my own mail server. I would like to point out to rogers I was actually > saving them processor cycles and thus money by handling my own email. > Now it seems that I need to relay all my email through the rogers servers > which if i remember correctly (must admit i havent checked this recently) > not only require smtp authentication (irritating since one of my clients > dosnt support it) but also require me to use a rogers.com addy as the from > address. I had this same problem until I reconfigured sendmail on one machine on my network to forward outgoing mail to the rogers smtp host. This did require authentication but does not require a rogers.com address. The different mail reader clients then route their mail to the local configured machine. > So who should I be pissed at here? > Rogers - for making my life difficult > SORBS - for being a little over eager > Myself - for trying to get clever Blame the damn spammers. -- Herb Richter Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 14:09:46 2004 From: emir-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw at public.gmane.org (Emir) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:09:46 -0500 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. In-Reply-To: <3FFE367E.7000300-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> <3FFDE232.70608@codemonkeys.org> <3FFE367E.7000300@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3FFEB62A.2030005@codemonkeys.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2004 0:05, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Actually, I chgrp everything under bla/../tomcat4. to tomcat4. I thought > this would work as I had made the developer part of the tomcat4 grp. But > it didn't, so I changed access mode to world read write execute. Not > wise, not secure, (My BAD...)but now the developer could access the > relative files. What is it that this developer needs to access? Apps are deployed using WAR files, or dropping a context config file which points to the classes location (mycontext.xml) into webapps. Main config file (server.xml) no longer needs to be edited to add contexts. You've already been told that's a bad idea, so I'll reiterate: that's a bad idea! Developer has no real need to access Tomcat files. - -- Emir. "Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently. And for the very same reason." -- Anonymous -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQE//rYquSy542G+Z7QRAjXSAJ95SpBnSrjT1i/oFa9b1OwFjZ3WWQCfRTTc yeXhtq/7ws48TucZIOcFqzA= =5jyb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 14:57:00 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 09:57:00 -0500 Subject: Tomcat4 restart/stop problem. In-Reply-To: <3FFEB62A.2030005-rdkfGonbjUTTQjIoRn/dzw@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFDBD6A.6080908@alteeve.com> <3FFDE232.70608@codemonkeys.org> <3FFE367E.7000300@alteeve.com> <3FFEB62A.2030005@codemonkeys.org> Message-ID: <3FFEC13C.8010403@alteeve.com> Fixing access permissions.. It seams the ....Somehow... the 'server' directory disapeared! I've replaced it from another server with the same setup. Now the log has errormessages I think we can work with. Thanks Guys! Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 14:57:33 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:57:33 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154722.024d1a30-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154722.024d1a30@localhost> Message-ID: Clifford, Thanks very much! That helped a lot. Regards, Alex On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > At 15:16 08/01/2004 -0500, Alex Maynard wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >Does any one have any suggestions on Ethernet cards for Laptops > >using Linux? I've got a used laptop that came without an > >ethernet card and was hoping to avoid compatability issues and other > >problems. > > Hi, > > Xircom cards work fine. Xircom is owned by Intel so that is not surprising. > 3com cards are also fine. There are many others. I suggest you look at > for specific models. > > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, Ontario > Canada M4N 3P6 > > Tel: 416-410-3326 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rico.juan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 12:04:35 2004 From: rico.juan-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Juan Rico) Date: 09 Jan 2004 12:04:35 +0000 Subject: mixed message In-Reply-To: <3FFD3911.5D746DC-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFD3911.5D746DC@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1073649874.1572.35.camel@mayabee> On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 11:03, Chris Aitken wrote: > I'm getting a mixed message trying to install VMware: > > [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -i > /home/chris2/VMware-workstation-4.0.5-6030.i386.rpm > package VMwareWorkstation-4.0.5-6030 is already installed > [root-d28P3j+p7uk at public.gmane.org /]# rpm -q VMwar* > package VMwar* is not installed > > Sotlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org, what's it gonna be? Installed or not? > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Chris: When I run rpm -q rpm [juanm-yPbm7qHBTMA at public.gmane.org juanm] $ rpm -q rpm rpm-4.2-0.69 However when I run rpm -q rp* [juanm-yPbm7qHBTMA at public.gmane.org juanm] $ rpm -q rp* package rp* is not installed is because with rpm the wildcard (*) does not work. I guess you need to type the complete package name..... and yes, the VMware package was already installed. --------- Juan Rico Registered Linux User #333551 mayabee 2.6.0 i686 GNU/Linux 11:32:55 up 1:02, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.14, 0.33 A day for firm decisions!!!!! Or is it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 17:06:11 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:06:11 -0500 Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040109120217.02342a80@mail.interlog.com> At 07:22 AM 01/09/2004 -0500, Herb Richter wrote: > I had this same problem until I reconfigured sendmail on one >machine on my network to forward outgoing mail to the rogers smtp host. >This did require authentication but does not require a rogers.com address. >The different mail reader clients then route their mail to the local >configured machine. I don't have a problem with my ISP (Rogers in this case) requiring authentication in order to send mail through there SMTP server. I do have a slight issue with the fact that Rogers sticks in an extra header in the outgoing mail which includes ones e-mail address at rogers.com so I will probably be able to look forward to getting junk mail via my rogers account in addition to getting it from my primary mail server. BTW, how do you configure sendmail to handle the login form of authentication to a remote SMTP server? Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 17:34:24 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:34:24 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting Message-ID: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> First let me introduce myself. My name is David Patrick. I'm a filmmaker, with a background in radio and theatre, having filled a mind-boggling number of job titles on the way. Current title; Director of Photography. This spring I looked at my (badly run) corner store and said to myself "imagine if that was a caffe". After a whole lot of imagining, and a few carefully placed questions, I found that the location was available (the NE corner of Harbord & Grace). As they say "be careful what you ask for" I am now working my ass off to make this crazy dream a reality. Later today, I'll be going back in to make more progress drywalling the ceilings. whew ! Caffe Bickford will be quite unlike anything ever seen; a comfortable community caffe, with internet & WiFi, software sales, music sales, event ticket sales, gadgets and other surprises. Everything we sell will be available on the (future) website. We'll offer excellent coffee, Italian munchies, pop & chips and an emphasis on high quality local goods. The Open Source philosophy will thrive as we share the code, while unapologetically trying to make a buck. The members of TLUG have graciously offered to let me bring this project in and make it the focus of this month's meeting. This will be a very good thing for the linux community; with a place to see it, get it, and test out new advances. For the vast majority, it will be the first sighting of a third OS. This is something that I can _only_ do with the support of Toronto's linux community (you) as I am a big dreamer, but not a systems administrator. I have set up a YahooGroup, and invite anyone interested to join in. (so far, that's only Adam, and he's not exactly active) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/caffebickford There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux expertise; _Thin-client_/_WiFi_Internet_Cafe_ A few hard-wired terminals and as many WiFi-ed Thinkpad PII266+s as the market will carry. -will thin-client provide satisfying performance and admin streamlining ? -will an X server work over 802.11b ? g ? -WiFi security issues -customer billing methods ? existing cafe software ? -save settings / home directory / email for members -offer optional desktop "starting points" (3 x "looks" (Win/ Mac/ linux)) (3 x "software environments" (surf-email / office / game)) _Linux_POS_ An open source retail hardware/ software environment, administrated via remote, but usable by an average waiter -two touchscreen POS terminals P166 64m ram ethernet, serial x 4, parallel, disk drive adapter Epson printers, cash drawers, card swipe readers - l-anePOS running on the cash registers (?) -GNUcash set up for business accounting -payroll / employee scheduling solutions sought _OSS_software_sales_ A retail outlet for open source software based on the cost of drives, media and the time to produce the disk. -fresh burned and tested distros at low cost. _Music_ Enjoy great sound, local artists and legally burned music CDs -HD based jukebox, accessible to all terminals (PHPjuke ?) -ability to drag & drop, from the jukebox, to a desktop folder, to be burned behind the counter. (only music that we have contractual permission to copy will be on the jukebox. This will initially be local independent artists) -artist/ publisher payment methods (paypal / direct deposit / held in trust, other) _Security_ -webcams -sensors -alarms loud silent 911 monitoring service The (as yet non-existent) website will provide focus and support for the caffe and the community in general. We should use kernel 2.6.x for user responsiveness, scalability and 'cause Linus said so. We should consider web-based modes for many aspects of the cafe. There will be countless opportunities to sell related stuff and services, once it is up and running. I look forward to hearing your input and ideas on Tuesday, and to seeing you in the caffe as customers and / or participants. thanks, may the source be with you, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 17:47:18 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:47:18 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; selling sandwiches online ? In-Reply-To: <3FFEE620.1070302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3FFEE926.2020702@sympatico.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > [snip] > Everything we sell will be available on the (future) website. We'll > offer excellent coffee, Italian munchies, pop & chips and an emphasis > on high quality local goods. OK, so we won't be mailing soup anytime soon. ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 17:52:37 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:52:37 -0500 Subject: mixed message In-Reply-To: <1073649874.1572.35.camel-yPbm7qHBTMA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFD3911.5D746DC@onlink.net> <1073649874.1572.35.camel@mayabee> Message-ID: <20040109125237.4e77f315.joehill@sympatico.ca> On 09 Jan 2004 12:04:35 +0000 Juan Rico wrote: > [juanm-yPbm7qHBTMA at public.gmane.org juanm] $ rpm -q rp* > package rp* is not installed try 'rpm -qa | grep rp' instead. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Where the state begins, individual liberty ceases, and vice versa." -- Bakunin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 18:11:29 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:11:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: CaffeBickford; selling sandwiches online ? In-Reply-To: <3FFEE926.2020702-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFEE926.2020702@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > OK, so we won't be mailing soup anytime soon. ;-) Gespacho soup is ok since it is meant to be served cold anyway :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 18:14:33 2004 From: hughreilly1-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Hugh Reilly) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:14:33 -0500 Subject: DSL providers in Toronto Message-ID: In a similar vein: http://www.xen.ca/hosting.htm >Hate to toot the horn of my employer (Echo Online / PlanetESS), but you >might want to look at http://www.planetess.com/colocation.shtml (and yes, >will will take a mid-tower as a bronze collocation). > >Regards, > >M. Gamble > >Keith Mastin wrote:* >* > >>>On a similar note, does anyone know anyplace in Toronto that could colo >>>a mid-tower server cheap? I'm leaving the country and I need to move >>>my computer that's been previously stuck at the end of my DSL line. >>> >>>I've found a place in Ottawa that gives decent prices, but if I could >>>find a place that didn't mean that I had to drive to Ottawa, that would >>>be better. >>> >>> >> >>I sent mine to Vancouver to get $250/mo. shopped here and best I could get >>was at least $100 more >> >> >> > > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 18:36:15 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 13:36:15 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; selling sandwiches online ? In-Reply-To: References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFEE926.2020702@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3FFEF49F.20703@sympatico.ca> Robert Brockway wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>OK, so we won't be mailing soup anytime soon. ;-) >> >> > >Gespacho soup is ok since it is meant to be served cold anyway :) > >Rob > > > .. alright.. we'll send Gespacho.. and priority post pannini, but that's IT ! gotta draw the line somewhere. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 19:30:01 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:30:01 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFEE620.1070302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux > expertise; _Food_ As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a correct list of ingredients. emma PS for the insanely curious: www.emmajane.net/food/allergies -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 15:54:38 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:54:38 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: <20040108192942.GA1469-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040108192942.GA1469@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200401091054.38995.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On January 8, 2004 02:29 pm, William Park wrote: > But, I do use regular expression aweful lot, both in conditional test > and in splitting/extracting strings. And, Bash source is better for > patching. I mean, Zsh source is true spaghetti. :-) Forgive my ignorance, but could you plese explain how nto go about to use your patch to add to bash? I would be keen to play with it. What are the steps involved? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 22:05:14 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:05:14 -0500 Subject: Laptop Ethernet Card In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154722.024d1a30-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> <5.2.0.9.0.20040108154722.024d1a30@localhost> Message-ID: <20040109220514.GN7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 03:49:43PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Xircom cards work fine. Xircom is owned by Intel so that is not surprising. > 3com cards are also fine. There are many others. I suggest you look at > for specific models. I have used a xircom ethernet/modem in one card that linux (at least that the time) hated and it actually locked up many times on me. Using a 3com sure fixed things though. This was a xircom from before intel bought them. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 22:41:41 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:41:41 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <20040109193001.GI805-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> Message-ID: <3FFF2E25.6000009@sympatico.ca> Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > >> There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux >>expertise; >> >> > > _Food_ >As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has >gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without >having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be >MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a >correct list of ingredients. > >emma >PS for the insanely curious: www.emmajane.net/food/allergies > > > That's some wild list of things not to eat ! Thanks for bringing this issue to my attention, I admit to overlooking it entirely. Although I can make no promises that Caffe Bickford will offer an Emma-safe menu, We will do /something/ to make your selection easier (safer). bon apetit, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 22:48:33 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:48:33 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: Message from Emma Jane Hogbin of "Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:30:01 EST." <20040109193001.GI805-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> Message-ID: <20040109224834.1E6323FFB@cbbrowne.com> > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux > > expertise; > > _Food_ > As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has > gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without > having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be > MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a > correct list of ingredients. Odd... That actually is an argument in favor of "open source food." -- "cbbrowne","@","acm.org" http://cbbrowne.com/info/ Obversely, a lot of verbal mileage can also be gotten by sending out incomprehensible, cryptic, confusing or unintelligible messages, and then iteratively "correcting" the "mistaken interpretations" in the replys. -- from the Symbolics Guidelines for Sending Mail -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 22:56:28 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 17:56:28 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: <200401091054.38995.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040108192942.GA1469@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401091054.38995.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040109225628.GA1427@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:54:38AM -0500, John Wildberger wrote: > On January 8, 2004 02:29 pm, William Park wrote: > > > But, I do use regular expression aweful lot, both in conditional test > > and in splitting/extracting strings. And, Bash source is better for > > patching. I mean, Zsh source is true spaghetti. :-) > Forgive my ignorance, but could you plese explain how nto go about to use your > patch to add to bash? I would be keen to play with it. > What are the steps involved? > John To compile, wget ftp://.../bash-2.05b.tar.gz --> Bash source tarball wget http://home.eol.ca/~parkw/bash.diff --> my patch tar -xzf bash-2.05b.tar.gz mv bash-2.05b bash cd bash patch -p1 < ../bash.diff CFLAGS="-DPATTERN_MATCHING" ./configure make strip bash ./bash --> Now you are in my Bash shell. exit --> back to your original shell. To make it your login shell, cp bash /usr/local/bin echo /usr/local/bin/bash >> /etc/shells chsh -s /usr/local/bin/bash loginname Now, some of usage... 1. help case help for help match help array help arrayfilter --> it's Python thing. help arraymap --> it's Python thing. help read help echo 2. Regular expression operators =~ and !~ will work in all conditional tests, ie. [ string =~ regex ] [[ string =~ regex ]] test string =~ regex They are all implemented through my builtin command match string regex Eg. [ abc123 =~ '([a-z][0-9])' ] && array SUBMATCH [[ abc123 =~ '[a-z]+' ]] && array SUBMATCH [[ abc123 =~ '([0-9]+)' ]] && array SUBMATCH 3. Regular expression case statement. Shell normally expects glob pattern, ie. case "..." in glob_pattern) ... ;; ... esac So, to trigger regex, put matching single/double quotes as the first and the last character of the pattern. Eg. abc*) --> glob abc\*) --> glob abc*[0-9]) --> glob 'abc') --> regex ''abc'') --> regex 'abc.*[0-9]') --> regex 4. Array is the big one. The most useful features are splitting and extracting regex from string, ie. -e and -v option. In fact, this is what got me started. a=() array -e '[a-z]+' a abc123xyz789 && array a --> abc xyz array -e '[0-9]+' a abc123xyz789 && array a --> abc xyz 123 789 a=() array -v '_+' a abc__123_xyz__789 && array a --> abc 123 xyz 789 array -v '[a-z_]+' a abc__123_xyz__789 && array a --> abc 123 xyz 789 123 789 -j option would be useful for cutting like 'cut' but with string not just a character. Eg. b="$a" array -j '..' b && array b --> abc..123..xyz..789..123..789 b=() array -j '..1' b $a && array b --> abc 23..xyz..789 23..789 -f option is for fixed width fields, like Awk's FIXEDWIDTHS. Eg. a=() array -f 3,4 a 1234567890 && array a --> 123 4567 -s and -r option are for sorting and reversing the array. Eg. array -s a array -r a -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 23:03:58 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:03:58 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFEE620.1070302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > Caffe Bickford will be quite unlike anything ever seen; a comfortable > community caffe, with internet & WiFi, software sales, music sales, > event ticket sales, gadgets and other surprises. Everything we sell will > be available on the (future) website. We'll offer excellent coffee, > Italian munchies, pop & chips and an emphasis on high quality local > goods. The Open Source philosophy will thrive as we share the code, > while unapologetically trying to make a buck. Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 23:07:51 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:07:51 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <20040109193001.GI805-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> Message-ID: <3FFF3447.6040208@rogers.com> Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > >> There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux >>expertise; > > > _Food_ > As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has > gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without > having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be > MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a > correct list of ingredients. How 'bout pull down menus? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 23:17:09 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:17:09 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; open source food In-Reply-To: <20040109224834.1E6323FFB-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <20040109224834.1E6323FFB@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <3FFF3675.1080307@sympatico.ca> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >Odd... That actually is an argument in favor of "open source food." > > Now /there's/ the cool thought of the hour ! The source (recipe, ingredients, supplier) need not be in the sandwich (binary) but could be made available. Are we taking thing to a ridiculous level ? good ! Maybe we should serve only "open cola" alfredo.octavio.net/soft_drink_formula.pdf things that make ya go hmmmmm... djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 9 23:20:07 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:20:07 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFF335E.7090600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <3FFF3727.1040206@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > > Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) We should ! There's an opportunity to flog a wide range of geekish goods. Think: website sales, retail location.. wanna know more ? seeya Tuesday ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 00:15:16 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:15:16 -0500 Subject: Need shell scripters to test Bash patch In-Reply-To: <20040109225628.GA1427-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108065642.GA4952@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040108192942.GA1469@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401091054.38995.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040109225628.GA1427@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040110001516.GA2759@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:56:28PM -0500, William Park wrote: > 1. help case > help for > help match > help array > help arrayfilter --> it's Python thing. > help arraymap --> it's Python thing. > help read > help echo Also, help [[ > -j option would be useful for cutting like 'cut' but with string not > just a character. Eg. > b="$a" > array -j '..' b && array b --> abc..123..xyz..789..123..789 > b=() > array -j '..1' b $a && array b --> abc 23..xyz..789 23..789 Typo... b=`array -j '..' a` && echo $b --> a=() array -j '..1' a $b && array a --> -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 00:22:39 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:22:39 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <20040109224834.1E6323FFB-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <20040109224834.1E6323FFB@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040110002239.GV805@smeagol> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:48:33PM -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has > > gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without > > having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be > > MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a > > correct list of ingredients. > > Odd... That actually is an argument in favor of "open source food." Well I'd personally prefer if full recipes were made available, but I certainly don't expect restaurants to be able to comply. Most days restaurants are ordering food from other places and can't get a recipe (e.g. bread)....I think it's crazy that food has to be labelled if we buy it from the supermarket, but the average restaurant has no idea what kind of oil they're frying in. In any case, I'm getting pretty off-topic here. :) emma :) -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rgfranks-cmaem7PIVQT44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 02:49:47 2004 From: rgfranks-cmaem7PIVQT44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Greg Franks) Date: 09 Jan 2004 21:49:47 -0500 Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040109120217.02342a80-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040109120217.02342a80@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Cozens writes: Kevin> BTW, how do you configure sendmail to handle the login form Kevin> of authentication to a remote SMTP server? Something like this is "supposed" to work, but I haven't got it quite nailed down: define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl define(`SMART_HOST',`fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com')dnl define(`confDEF_AUTH_INFO', `/etc/mail/authinfo.txt')dnl in /etc/mail/authinfo.txt... --- 8< --- gfranks-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org gfranks-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org paswword-goes-here rogers.com --- 8< --- sendmail complained about not having compiled with libsasl, so I reverted back to the plain version (for now). google a bit -- that's where I got this stuff. Good luck. -- __@ Greg Franks <| _~@ __O _`\<,_ Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |O\ -^\<;^\<, (*)/ (*) (*)--(*)%---/(*) "Where do you want to go today?" Outside. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From GHunter-kgJIzn72htc at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 03:41:56 2004 From: GHunter-kgJIzn72htc at public.gmane.org (Geoffrey Hunter) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:41:56 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: BILL GATES vs GM] Message-ID: <1073706116.3fff74849e527@webmail.yorku.ca> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: BILL GATES vs GM Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:46:24 -0600 From: Jos? Altshuler Reply-To: Jos? Altshuler To: Speaking of Bill Gates... For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way computers have enhanced our lives, read on. At a recent computer expo, Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive-but would run on only five percent of the roads. 6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light. 7. ! The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying. 8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. 9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off. Please share this with your friends who love-but sometimes hate-their computer. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 03:46:16 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:46:16 -0500 Subject: rogers cabal and blacklisting In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040109120217.02342a80-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20040109120217.02342a80@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <20040110034616.GA338@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:06:11PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > BTW, how do you configure sendmail to handle the login form of > authentication to a remote SMTP server? 1. Find out what kind of authentication they use, ie. PLAIN or LOGIN. They should tell you the method, or specify in the response to EHLO command, something like 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN I'm told that Microsoft clients use LOGIN method. In /etc/mail/authinfo (chmod 600), put AuthInfo:smtp.xxx.rogers.ca "U:username" "P:password" "M:login" or AuthInfo:smtp.xxx.rogers.ca "U=dXNlcm5hbWU=" "P=cGFzc3dvcmQ=" "M:login" where "X:..." is for plain text string, and "X=..." is for base64 encoding of same string. For both PLAIN and LOGIN method, you have to send the required data in base64 encoding. For PLAIN method, it's one liner \0username\0password and for LOGIN method, it's username password separately just like the usual Unix login process. Sendmail will send out correctly encoded, so you don't have to worry about this. Unless, of course, you telnet directly. Try it out, it will be good learning experience. :-) 2. Make .db file, cd /etc/mail makemap hash authinfo < authinfo Edit .mc file, FEATURE(`authinfo') For Sendmail-8.12.10 (or Slackware-9.1), put it in submit.mc, since it will be talking to Rogers server. Make .cf files, cd /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf (or whatever) m4 ../m4/cf.m4 submit.mc > /etc/mail/submit.cf m4 sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Restart your Sendmail, /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail restart 3. That will take care of authentication. But, you don't have to relay every email through Rogers, which is what happens when you use define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.xxx.rogers.ca') To relay only those machines refusing to accept from "dynamic" IP, use mailertable. If is refusing your email, then edit /etc/mail/mailertable, remote.com esmtp:smtp.xxx.rogers.ca and make .db file, cd /etc/mail makemap hash mailertable < mailertable No need to restart Sendmail. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 04:23:34 2004 From: kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Kristofer Coward) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:23:34 -0500 Subject: Stale jokes, esp. stale MS jokes. In-Reply-To: <1073706116.3fff74849e527-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <1073706116.3fff74849e527@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20040110042334.GL16763@melon.org> Can we have something mentioned on the website, along with the list info, that we've all seen this joke (and others like it) hundreds of times over the past few years, and that we _really_ don't need to see it another time? Maybe even mention of like this in any list charter or FAQ that might happen to exist? On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:41:56PM -0500, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: BILL GATES vs GM > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:46:24 -0600 > From: Jos? Altshuler > Reply-To: Jos? Altshuler > To: > > Speaking of Bill Gates... > For all of us who feel only the deepest love and affection for the way > computers have enhanced our lives, read on. At a recent computer expo, > Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto > industry > and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer > industry > has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the > gallon." > In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release > stating: > If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving > cars with the following characteristics: > 1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day. > 2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to > buy a new car. > 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You > would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the > windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you > could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this. > 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause > your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would > have to reinstall the engine. > 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was > reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive-but would run on > only five percent of the roads. > 6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all > be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" > warning light. > 7. ! The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying. > 8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out > and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door > handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. > 9. Every time a new car was introduced, car buyers would have to learn > how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate > in the same manner as the old car. > 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off. > > Please share this with your friends who love-but sometimes hate-their > computer. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Kristofer Coward http://unripe.melon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 2BF3 957D 310A FEEC 4733 830E 21A4 05C7 1FEB 12B3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 04:43:26 2004 From: justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mr. Justin G. Kozuch) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:43:26 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 Message-ID: Hey Everyone, I am a new Linux user, and I would like to network my Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake machines together, however, I am very confused as to how to do this. I am not very good with Linux, but I am somewhat proficient with Windows XP Pro. What I would like to do is this: - Access files (mp3's, etc) across the network between both machines. - Test web applications built in the Linux Mandrake environment from the Windows XP Pro machine, and vice versa. - Connect to the Internet from the Linux Mandrake machine. I have all the hardware (NIC's, cabling, hub) required, I just need some direction. I have searched google for information, however, I was unable to find anything relevant. I live in Toronto, and I would be willing to pay someone as a final resort if I cannot figure this out soon. Would you be able to give me some direction on how to get this done? Thank You Very Much In Advance, Justin Kozuch -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 04:55:53 2004 From: robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Robert McDonald) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:55:53 -0500 Subject: City Of Toronto References: <3FED9B54.4090600@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <001801c3d736$0ac9a9a0$0b01a8c0@win98p4> Since the Wiki I setup didn't take I have put up a "Mambo" site. Easier to use. All those who registered on the tiki site will get an email with administrator password & privileges for the Mambo site, It's a lot easier to use and administrate. http://tlug.lampware.info If anyone ( who is an admin ) knows Mambo and can link a forum to it There is also a forum at http://lampware.info/invboard and I put up postnuke if anyone is interested in see how it works.. http://www.lampware.info/postnuke/ Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J Patrick" To: Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: City Of Toronto > Phillip Mills wrote: > > > I haven't noticed any messages lately about efforts to get a Linux > > foothold at the City of Toronto. Anyone interested should read an > > article on page A14 of this morning's Globe & Mail. > > > > Quote: > > "The city's problem is that 14,000 of its 17,500 computers are of 1999 > > vintage or older, which means that the operating system they run on is > > Microsoft Windows NT, a program which the software company will no > > longer support after some time next year, and they do not have the > > capacity to run on the next generation of software, Windows XP, which > > the city plans to switch to." > > > > Tortured grammar aside, how many things "wrong" can *you* find in that > > sentence? :-) > > > Yikes ! > It sounds like a golden opportunity is starting to rust ! > The earlier thread "Toronto Municipal Open Source Revolution, anyone ?" > had a flash of enthusiasm and then very little follow through. > Who else is going to champion this cause, if not us ? > How can we keep the flame under this one ? > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tom-X19vj+WbKj3k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 05:29:54 2004 From: tom-X19vj+WbKj3k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Tom Wright) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:29:54 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Samba is the app you will need here, making directories and printers available from the linux box is fairly simple the config is in smb.conf. You need to run the smbd and nmbd daemons. I havent yet connected from llinux to windows shares but i think you need smbmount application. Anyway there are some great smaba howto's out there, start at http://www.tldp.org. On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:43:26 -0500, Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I am a new Linux user, and I would like to network my Windows XP > Pro/Linux > Mandrake machines together, however, I am very confused as to how to do > this. > > I am not very good with Linux, but I am somewhat proficient with Windows > XP > Pro. > > What I would like to do is this: > > - Access files (mp3's, etc) across the network between both machines. > - Test web applications built in the Linux Mandrake environment from the > Windows XP Pro machine, and vice versa. > - Connect to the Internet from the Linux Mandrake machine. > > I have all the hardware (NIC's, cabling, hub) required, I just need some > direction. > > I have searched google for information, however, I was unable to find > anything relevant. > > I live in Toronto, and I would be willing to pay someone as a final > resort > if I cannot figure this out soon. > > Would you be able to give me some direction on how to get this done? > > Thank You Very Much In Advance, > > Justin Kozuch > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 05:56:16 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:56:16 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110003827.073a9c28@localhost> At 23:43 09/01/2004 -0500, Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: >Hey Everyone, > >I am a new Linux user, and I would like to network my Windows XP Pro/Linux >Mandrake machines together, however, I am very confused as to how to do >this. Hi Justin, I have exactly that combination, amongst others. You need to install the samba packages for Linux, if you have not done so already. You may also want to install the swat (Samba Web Administration Toolkit) package while you are at it. Make sure samba is running and then browse to to get to swat and authenticate as root. Once you are in, you can create Windows shares and perform a host of other administrative tasks using swat. Its on-line help is quite helpful. When you have finished configuring samba, remember to restart the samba daemon. You can do that from swat, the command line, or the Mandrake Control Center. You should see the share from the Windows XP box. If you do not, from a Linux shell prompt type: smbclient -U yourUserID -L localhost and enter the password for yourUserID. You should now see the list of shares, servers, and workgroups that are available. This is like the net view command in Windows. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 06:09:40 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:09:40 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFF2E25.6000009-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFF2E25.6000009@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110005803.073a94e0@localhost> At 17:41 09/01/2004 -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > >>On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >> >> >>> There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux expertise; >>> >> >> _Food_ >>As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has >>gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without >>having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be >>MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a >>correct list of ingredients. >> >>emma >>PS for the insanely curious: www.emmajane.net/food/allergies >> >> >That's some wild list of things not to eat ! Sadly, it is not altogether unusual these days in children especially. Both my children have allergies to some things, like nuts and peanuts, that can be life threatening. Doctors are not sure why there is a such a spike in the number of children with allergies and asthma in the West. One of the theories that is being advanced is that our aseptic society has pretty much eliminated serious challenges to the immune system so an idle immune system looks for something to do and turns upon itself. Children from areas of the world where pollution is far higher and sanitary conditions are far worse do not seem to have the same rate of asthma and allergies, though they may suffer from other nasty things like cholera, dysentery, and malaria. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 06:14:02 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:14:02 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFF3447.6040208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFF3447.6040208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110011023.070f8c48@localhost> At 18:07 09/01/2004 -0500, James Knott wrote: >Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >>On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 12:34:24PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >> >>> There are many aspects of the operation that will require linux expertise; >> >> _Food_ >>As someone with allergies it's critical for me to know /exactly/ what has >>gone into a recipe. A way to do an ingredients check (myself) without >>having to harass a server (who probably doesn't know the answer) would be >>MOST appreciated! :) It doesn't need to be a recipe, but it should be a >>correct list of ingredients. > >How 'bout pull down menus? ;-) No. For that, they would need mice. I presume the Health Department would take a dim view of a dead rodent on every table. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 06:36:10 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:36:10 -0500 Subject: Wierd process running Message-ID: <3FFF9D5A.1020702@alteeve.com> Hi, lately I have been seeing this when I enter 'ps -ax' on my Fedora Core 1 machine: 14173 ? SN 0:00 sh -c ( tail -f?? ???? /var/log/messages ) 2>&1 14174 ? SN 0:00 tail -f /var/log/messages It often shows up multiple time and always 1 PID off of each other (though the pair may be many PIDs off). I can 'kill -9' it but what the heck is doing this? Any ideas? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 08:07:13 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:07:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wierd process running In-Reply-To: <3FFF9D5A.1020702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF9D5A.1020702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > 14173 ? SN 0:00 sh -c ( tail -f?? ???? > /var/log/messages ) 2>&1 > 14174 ? SN 0:00 tail -f /var/log/messages > > It often shows up multiple time and always 1 PID off of each other > (though the pair may be many PIDs off). I can 'kill -9' it but what the 14173 will be the parent of 14174 in your example. > heck is doing this? Any ideas? Thanks! Do a pstree to see where it is coming from. You may also want to do ps -ef (legal with Linux ps) to see the ppid (parent pid) of the "sh -c". This should help in tracking down the source. I must admit this is a little surprising since tail -f is normally done by people wanting to watch a log files over a period of time but the commands above should shed some light. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 08:15:05 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:15:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OT] Health and the immune system In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110005803.073a94e0-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <5.2.0.9.0.20040110005803.073a94e0@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Sadly, it is not altogether unusual these days in children especially. Both > my children have allergies to some things, like nuts and peanuts, that can > be life threatening. Doctors are not sure why there is a such a spike in > the number of children with allergies and asthma in the West. One of the I've considered this over a period of time and do wonder to the true cause. On the one hand, maybe there is no spike, just improved diagnostic techniques. Maybe humans always had a lot of allergies. Maybe people in the developing world have as many allergies as we have but they suffer in silence. This is certainly true for some other classes of conditions but I'm not convinced it is the case for allergies. It has been estabalished (asd you note) that our world is relatively antiseptic. Many now believe it is too clean. We don't eat dirt. This may seem like an odd thing to point out, but there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that eating a small amount of dirt provides trace elements difficult to find elsewhere[1] and allow the immune system (particularly the immune system of children) to encounter & fight a variety of viruses & bacteria. [1] Some studies have indicated, for example, that a significant proportion of children in the developed world are deficient in Chromium. Who would have guessed we need Chromium, certainly not I :) Eating a little dirt now and then will supply trace amounts. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 08:47:30 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:47:30 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources Message-ID: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> I recently was forced to upgrade to Redhat 9 (my disk crashed) which has meant that I've been spending a lot of time trying to recover and discover things that no longer work or need to be installed. One problem is that my xterm pointer resources no longer appear to work. I have settings: xterm.*.pointerColor: red xterm.*.pointerColorBackground: brown xterm.*.pointerShape: xterm Changing the pointerShape does take affect the pointer used, however, the changing the Color resources appears to do nothing. They used to work and still do on freebsd. Does anyone know of other controls (e.g., other resources, environment variables, files, xterm flags, etc.) that might affect the pointer *Color* [sic] settings? -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 14:03:47 2004 From: robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Robert McDonald) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:03:47 -0500 Subject: City Of Toronto References: <3FED9B54.4090600@sympatico.ca> <001801c3d736$0ac9a9a0$0b01a8c0@win98p4> Message-ID: <006001c3d782$96354660$0b01a8c0@win98p4> I forgot to put the link to get to the admin backend for those who received an admin password. ( you can change your auto generated password from there and make site additions ect... ) http://tlug.lampware.info/administrator/ > http://tlug.lampware.info > > If anyone ( who is an admin ) knows Mambo and can link a forum to it There > is also a forum at > > http://lampware.info/invboard > > and I put up postnuke if anyone is interested in see how it works.. > > http://www.lampware.info/postnuke/ > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David J Patrick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: City Of Toronto > > > > Phillip Mills wrote: > > > > > I haven't noticed any messages lately about efforts to get a Linux > > > foothold at the City of Toronto. Anyone interested should read an > > > article on page A14 of this morning's Globe & Mail. > > > > > > Quote: > > > "The city's problem is that 14,000 of its 17,500 computers are of 1999 > > > vintage or older, which means that the operating system they run on is > > > Microsoft Windows NT, a program which the software company will no > > > longer support after some time next year, and they do not have the > > > capacity to run on the next generation of software, Windows XP, which > > > the city plans to switch to." > > > > > > Tortured grammar aside, how many things "wrong" can *you* find in that > > > sentence? :-) > > > > > Yikes ! > > It sounds like a golden opportunity is starting to rust ! > > The earlier thread "Toronto Municipal Open Source Revolution, anyone ?" > > had a flash of enthusiasm and then very little follow through. > > Who else is going to champion this cause, if not us ? > > How can we keep the flame under this one ? > > djp > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 14:43:04 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 10 Jan 2004 09:43:04 -0500 Subject: Allergies [was Re:CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting] In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110005803.073a94e0-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <20040109193001.GI805@smeagol> <5.2.0.9.0.20040110005803.073a94e0@localhost> Message-ID: CLIFFORD ILKAY writes: > One of the theories that is being advanced is that our aseptic society has > pretty much eliminated serious challenges to the immune system so an idle > immune system looks for something to do and turns upon itself. Well, I can provide an example for the opposite side. Five kids and a _really_ messy house [hey, we homeschool; you can't find time for everything :)]. So far, no known allergies. I'm willing to believe that this is true. Anecdotally, the cleanest houses that I know of tend to have kids with some allergies. However, I did see a documentary where some guy was blaming some [at least pollen] allergies on the way that we do horticulture in the city. Apparently, a lot of the trees and shrubs are "male-only" and no females to catch released pollens. It prevents unchecked reproduction and extreme work. The show was a while ago and I didn't pay much attention. It seems a little outrageous [it's not like flowers and buds are pollen magnets to catch everything] but there you go. My rambling post for the weekend. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 16:24:39 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:24:39 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40002747.5070503@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, As far as file sharing goes, just install and configure Samba like Tom and Clifford have suggested. Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: > - Connect to the Internet from the Linux Mandrake machine. As far as sharing internet access between the WinXP and Linux machines, it would be better to have the Linux box connected directly to the internet, and then have the WinXP machine connect through it using IP Masquerading. That way the Linux machine can act as a firewall so you get all the advantages of Linux security. I am not sure what kind of tools Mandrake comes with for configuring the IP Tables (firewall) system, but perhaps someone with Mandrake experience can answer that. What kind of internet connection do you have, and who is the provider? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAACdHRreNkzrRRLQRAtl0AKCLImSDoJneH8Xe743neaooQ36UiQCfTEMO yioh30c2goM21YJWvu2F+dI= =zzKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 16:36:21 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:36:21 -0500 Subject: City Of Toronto In-Reply-To: <001801c3d736$0ac9a9a0$0b01a8c0-VMKVZpoZl3s@public.gmane.org> References: <3FED9B54.4090600@sympatico.ca> <001801c3d736$0ac9a9a0$0b01a8c0@win98p4> Message-ID: <40002A05.5020803@sympatico.ca> Robert McDonald wrote: >Since the Wiki I setup didn't take I have put up a "Mambo" site. Easier to >use. All those who registered on the tiki site will get an email with >administrator password & privileges for the Mambo site, > and those of us previously unable to register ? will we get to play ? huh ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 05:18:29 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:18:29 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation Message-ID: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> I am installing rh 7.3. I'm getting hte error, There was an error installing curl-7.9.5-2. This can indicate media failure, lack of disk space, and/or hardware problems. This is a fatal error and your install will be aborted. Please verify your media and try your install again. Press the OK button to reboot your system. Damn -I would have prefered, "Back up throuugh the installation and repartition, run this media checker, etc." Alas, only option is to reinstall. The entire instalation I chose is supposed to take up around 1.6 GB, but the installer never lets you know how that is carved up into the different directoris. Overall I have way more than that, but maybe my partitioning scheme is not the best. I have done the following in fdisk, hda2 / 1GB hda3 swap 1GB hda5 /boot 64MB hda6 /home 3.5GB hda7 /usr 4.5GB I thought that would do it. In the meantime, I am trying a reinstall with a different copy of disk 2, where the installation stalled. Any ideas would be appreciated. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 17:59:36 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:59:36 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> On January 10, 2004 12:18 am, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am installing rh 7.3. Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > Any ideas would be appreciated. http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/woody-i386-1.iso -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 18:57:01 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:57:01 -0500 Subject: OT: Video signal on monitors In-Reply-To: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040108192915.ZJOO448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <1073761021.23967.13.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 14:29, Matthew Godycki wrote: < snip, slice, dice, still cuts tomatoes > > > I usually use my PS2 on the PC for one of two reasons - my wife wants the > > living room TV or I want quick access to gamefaqs.com ;) > > > > - Greg > > > > Both very valid reasons, Greg. Might I ask you... How do you find the quality of the video when using your PC in the way you described versus using it on the tv? I notice a *significant* loss in quality using my current setup. > > -Matt Definately notice a drop in quality. I don't have componment video configired, but S-Video does do better than Composite. My image tends to be a bit fuzzier than when my PS2 is connected to the TV. The card so far is great for 'alternate ps2 tv' or watching TV. Don't know that I'd want to use the signal for making DVDs from my VHS tapes. The other way works much better - I have my household server connected to the TV with one of my older AIW cards via S-Video - works much better, although I had to use VESA instead or r128 in XFree86, ATi driver was too smart and kept wanting to go back to the VGA monitor. Gnome on my TV at 800x600. Who needs that XP Media Center stuff? Actually what would be cool is to hack the gdm theme somehow and get it to report email count for each family member or other info (news/weather/answering machine messages). Must look into that.... - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:04:02 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:04:02 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <200401101259.36014.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 12:59, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On January 10, 2004 12:18 am, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > Yup. That's like installing Windows 95 these days. Good way to give script kiddies practice with their root kits. I've seen that happen enough times in my travels. OTOH just try to install one of the Corel products ( Draw / Photopaint / WordPerfect ) on Fedora Core 1. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 14:56:23 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:56:23 +0200 (IST) Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFF335E.7090600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > > Caffe Bickford will be quite unlike anything ever seen; a comfortable > > community caffe, with internet & WiFi, software sales, music sales, > > event ticket sales, gadgets and other surprises. Everything we sell will > > be available on the (future) website. We'll offer excellent coffee, > > Italian munchies, pop & chips and an emphasis on high quality local > > goods. The Open Source philosophy will thrive as we share the code, > > while unapologetically trying to make a buck. > > Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) They'll stamp it in your palm when you enter. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:05:57 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <1073761441.23967.19.camel-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> You know guys, it could be that his machine isn't powerful enough for more than 7.3. Please, be polite or be quiet (or, gosh, be helpful!). :) Madison Gregory Pleau wrote: > On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 12:59, Fraser Campbell wrote: > >>On January 10, 2004 12:18 am, Chris Aitken wrote: >> >> >>>I am installing rh 7.3. >> >>Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. >> > > > Yup. That's like installing Windows 95 these days. Good way to give > script kiddies practice with their root kits. I've seen that happen > enough times in my travels. OTOH just try to install one of the Corel > products ( Draw / Photopaint / WordPerfect ) on Fedora Core 1. > - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:14:29 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> Message-ID: | From: Chris Aitken | I am installing rh 7.3. This is old, and newer versions are better in a number of ways. But they require more resources, so I guess that there is a reason to install it. I'm typing this into a RHL7.0 system (K6-200 with 64M of RAM). There are updates to RHL7.3 that were released as late as Christmas Eve, but there will be no more (unless the Fedora legacy folks do them). | There was an error installing curl-7.9.5-2. This can indicate media | failure, lack of disk space, and/or hardware problems. This is a fatal | error and your install will be aborted. Please verify your media and try | your install again. Press the OK button to reboot your system. Red Hat installers support multiple consoles (after a fairly early point). Flip between them using ALT-F1, ALT-F2, etc. Each console does something different. One will probably show you more clearly what has gone wrong (assuming you are a LINUX adept). Another one will have a shell prompt. You can use that to poke around to explore the problem. | hda2 / 1GB | hda3 swap 1GB | hda5 /boot 64MB | hda6 /home 3.5GB | hda7 /usr 4.5GB | | I thought that would do it. I'd have thought so too. On my RHL7.2 system, all curl files are installed on /usr. Mind you, the RPM database is somewhere like /var/lib/rpm -- you could have run out of space for updating this. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:25:46 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:25:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <200401101259.36014.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. It's more stable and better shaken down than any of the more recent ones. For someone who wants to run Red Hat, running 7.3 or even 7.2 is quite a reasonable decision. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:26:58 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:26:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > The entire instalation I chose is supposed to take up around 1.6 GB, but > the installer never lets you know how that is carved up into the > different directoris. Overall I have way more than that, but maybe my > partitioning scheme is not the best. I have done the following in fdisk,.. This is all quite reasonable; you've got lots of space, in fact. You've got media problems or hardware trouble, I would say. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:29:38 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <1073761441.23967.19.camel-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Gregory Pleau wrote: > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > Yup. That's like installing Windows 95 these days. Good way to give > script kiddies practice with their root kits. Not if it's current on updates. Lots of people are still running 7.3 or even 7.2, quite safely and securely. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:48:04 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:48:04 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: References: <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040110144540.02a78170@pop1.sympatico.ca> And then there's Fedora - current free Redhat (even an easy install on my Acer laptop. At 02:25 PM 1/10/04, you wrote: >On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > >It's more stable and better shaken down than any of the more recent ones. >For someone who wants to run Red Hat, running 7.3 or even 7.2 is quite a >reasonable decision. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www3.sympatico.ca/echapin http://www.monkeys.com/spammers-are-leeches -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:53:22 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:53:22 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation References: Message-ID: <40005832.967EDEA2@onlink.net> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > > The entire instalation I chose is supposed to take up around 1.6 GB, but > > the installer never lets you know how that is carved up into the > > different directoris. Overall I have way more than that, but maybe my > > partitioning scheme is not the best. I have done the following in fdisk,.. > > This is all quite reasonable; you've got lots of space, in fact. You've > got media problems or hardware trouble, I would say. Yeah, it turned out to be a corrupt CD. I used another copy - I'm fine now. Thanks, Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 19:54:44 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:54:44 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation References: Message-ID: <40005884.C06D519E@onlink.net> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > > It's more stable and better shaken down than any of the more recent ones. > For someone who wants to run Red Hat, running 7.3 or even 7.2 is quite a > reasonable decision. > And sound is ready. Pop in a CD and you're off! Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 20:37:44 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:37:44 +0200 (IST) Subject: wiki Message-ID: I have a question: I cannot seem to be able to locate a source for a download of wiki software. www.wiki.org seems to be a pun on GNU style recursion, I can make no sense of it. Google is saturated with wikis, the wiki proper is un-findable. A pointer, please ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 20:43:57 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:43:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <3FFEE620.1070302-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: | From: David J Patrick Why do you spell it "Caffe"? I'm not familiar with this spelling (but I am a bad speller). Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 20:43:51 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:43:51 -0500 Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org Message-ID: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> As a group of knowledgeable individuals, TLUG might be able to help me with this - I get several per day like the example appended below. Obviously, it's some sort of code, but beyond that...Can anyone clarify what this is about? Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock ----- Forwarded message from Owen Shea ----- From: "Owen Shea" To: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Cc: fmchen-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org, recess at ee.ryerson.ca, reaa at ee.ryerson.ca Subject: cadaverous sailboat X-Mailer: angstrom Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:59:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Owen Shea" francine gardenia immemorial aggravate firepower indigo disgruntle isochronal rosebush foxglove borderline airstrip implicant blomberg berkelium concertmaster diorite encroach bitten inlaid commonplace encephalitis hummel mitosis bassinet lopez boyar ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 20:46:14 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:46:14 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: ; from hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 03:43:57PM -0500 References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040110154614.B27394@ee.ryerson.ca> It (sort of) rhymes with 'gaffe'. ;). Does that help? Peter On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 03:43:57PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: David J Patrick > > Why do you spell it "Caffe"? I'm not familiar with this spelling (but > I am a bad speller). > > Hugh Redelmeier > hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:09:51 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:09:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wierd process running In-Reply-To: <3FFF9D5A.1020702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF9D5A.1020702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > lately I have been seeing this when I enter 'ps -ax' on my Fedora Core > 1 machine: > > 14173 ? SN 0:00 sh -c ( tail -f?? ???? > /var/log/messages ) 2>&1 > 14174 ? SN 0:00 tail -f /var/log/messages > > It often shows up multiple time and always 1 PID off of each other > (though the pair may be many PIDs off). I can 'kill -9' it but what the > heck is doing this? Any ideas? Thanks! Probably sending messages to a console. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:31:11 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:31:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <20040110154351.A27394-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > As a group of knowledgeable individuals, TLUG might be able to help me with > this - > > I get several per day like the example appended below. Obviously, it's some > sort of code, but beyond that...Can anyone clarify what this is about? I believe these strings of words are an attempt to fool anti-spam software. Since the software tries to look for spam-like patterns the inclusion of random words not normally associated with spam increases the liklihood of the email being accepted as valid and passed to the user. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:32:31 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:32:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > > > > Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) > > They'll stamp it in your palm when you enter. I have images of a large penguin at the door stamping the hand of everyone who comes in :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:39:03 2004 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:39:03 -0500 Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <20040110154351.A27394-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <000101c3d7c2$2aaeec80$6501a8c0@plex8> if you had html turned on, you would see that it is spam. i understand that these huge list of words (can) effectively bypass spam filters... -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Peter Hiscocks Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 03:44 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: What is this? [vhzsnkt-fOdFMYwuEsI at public.gmane.org: cadaverous sailboat] As a group of knowledgeable individuals, TLUG might be able to help me with this - I get several per day like the example appended below. Obviously, it's some sort of code, but beyond that...Can anyone clarify what this is about? Peter -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock ----- Forwarded message from Owen Shea ----- From: "Owen Shea" To: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Cc: fmchen-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org, recess at ee.ryerson.ca, reaa at ee.ryerson.ca Subject: cadaverous sailboat X-Mailer: angstrom Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:59:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Owen Shea" francine gardenia immemorial aggravate firepower indigo disgruntle isochronal rosebush foxglove borderline airstrip implicant blomberg berkelium concertmaster diorite encroach bitten inlaid commonplace encephalitis hummel mitosis bassinet lopez boyar ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:39:52 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:39:52 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > >>On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: >> >>>Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) >> >>They'll stamp it in your palm when you enter. > > > I have images of a large penguin at the door stamping the hand of everyone > who comes in :) > I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some locally, without having to worry about customs and border clearance charges etc. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:43:33 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:43:33 +0200 (IST) Subject: wiki(s) Message-ID: this site has relevant info: http://www.nyetwork.org/wiki/Wikis also there is a MiniWiki module on CPAN for Perl (Apache module) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:55:18 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:55:18 +0200 (IST) Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <20040110154351.A27394-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: You are getting spam that is designed to defeat bayesian filters. The spam sowftware is misconfigured so the actual payload (a web link) does not make it. I am getting dozens of these per week. Don't bother with them. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:58:38 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:58:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <40007128.6020708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the > suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some locally, > without having to worry about customs and border clearance charges etc. Fyi the stamping thing is a paraphrase on rave parties where you get a stamp on the hand when you enter (so the newspaper says - I've never been to a rave party - I'm too old I guess - the info is from the newspapers - the stamp is mean to allow you to re-enter without being transmissible to others). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 21:59:57 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:59:57 +0200 (IST) Subject: wiki(s) Message-ID: Most interesting competition to sourceforge.net: http://www.nongnu.org Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:05:22 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:05:22 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <40005884.C06D519E-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40005884.C06D519E@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040110170522.222e8d0a.jmyshrall@golden.net> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:54:44 -0500 aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Henry Spencer wrote: > > > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > > > > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > > > > It's more stable and better shaken down than any of the more recent > > ones. For someone who wants to run Red Hat, running 7.3 or even 7.2 > > is quite a reasonable decision. > > > > And sound is ready. Pop in a CD and you're off! > > Chris > Not to start a distro war. Chris there are plenty of distros out there now that do an excellent job on detection. Take a look at Libranet out of BC. It's Debian based and gives you plenty of desktop switching capabilities. By trying different desktops you can choose what will work best for your system. They have KDE as well. However it's uses a lot of system resources. Not to start a desktop war, IceWM is may be a better choice or Xterm. They have a free version you can download. If your connection is slow, forward your address to me and I'll mail you a copy. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:18:51 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:18:51 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40007A4B.4090406@sympatico.ca> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: >| From: David J Patrick > >Why do you spell it "Caffe"? I'm not familiar with this spelling (but >I am a bad speller). > >Hugh Redelmeier >hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > The Itallian theme drives the spelling. To be totally Italian, I would accent the last "e" but that would be a pain. I'm considering using the spelling "cafe" in reference to the internet aspect, and "caffe" in reference to the espresso, panini etc. Potentian source of confusion ? yup. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:21:12 2004 From: justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mr. Justin G. Kozuch) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:21:12 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <40002747.5070503-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40002747.5070503@truxtar.com> Message-ID: I'm using a DSL connection from Sympatico. Justin -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org]On Behalf Of Anton Markov Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:25 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Justin, As far as file sharing goes, just install and configure Samba like Tom and Clifford have suggested. Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: > - Connect to the Internet from the Linux Mandrake machine. As far as sharing internet access between the WinXP and Linux machines, it would be better to have the Linux box connected directly to the internet, and then have the WinXP machine connect through it using IP Masquerading. That way the Linux machine can act as a firewall so you get all the advantages of Linux security. I am not sure what kind of tools Mandrake comes with for configuring the IP Tables (firewall) system, but perhaps someone with Mandrake experience can answer that. What kind of internet connection do you have, and who is the provider? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAACdHRreNkzrRRLQRAtl0AKCLImSDoJneH8Xe743neaooQ36UiQCfTEMO yioh30c2goM21YJWvu2F+dI= =zzKI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:22:33 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:22:33 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040110172023.02c1ad70@mail.interlog.com> At 12:18 AM 01/10/2004, Chris wrote: >I'm getting hte error, > >There was an error installing curl-7.9.5-2. This can indicate media >failure, lack of disk space, and/or hardware problems. This is a fatal >error and your install will be aborted. Please verify your media and try >your install again. Press the OK button to reboot your system. I have had something similar on a couple of occasions. It turned out to be a bad RPM file in the ISO. Try using another copy of the ISO, replace the curl package with the same version from another source, or tell the installer to skip installing curl. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:40:34 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:40:34 -0500 Subject: Sympatico, Mandrake9.2 and Speedstream5200 - no go ! Message-ID: <40007F62.1090405@sympatico.ca> I just spent a couple of hours trying to help a friend connect his (PII233) Mandrake9.2 setup to the net. He has a shiny new Efficient Networks Speedstream5200 Ethernet/ USB. Using the wizard in MCC I tried every concievable combination, culminating in blinkin' lights on the modem (using the USR 3c905b 100base TX (Cyclone) card, not USB) and pppoe; but no connection. I considered trying Knoppix (didn't have a copy with me) OR d/l Roaring penguins finest rp-pppoe. Any ideas ? thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 22:53:04 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:53:04 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 Message-ID: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> You have to use rp-pppoe to get the connection to work. The connection that is created by the wizard times out too early and as a result fails about 8 times out of ten. The rpm is available on the disks so you won't have to download it. John McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:04:31 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:04:31 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <40008250.5070704-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> John McGregor wrote: > You have to use rp-pppoe to get the connection to work. The connection > that is created by the wizard times out too early and as a result > fails about 8 times out of ten. Well, 10 out of 10 today ! > The rpm is available on the disks so you won't have to download it. > > John McGregor > Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:06:31 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:06:31 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <400084FF.50806-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:04:31 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would > I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? yes, or in a term, as root: urpmi rp-pppoe -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Life is not a static thing. The only people who do not change their minds are incompetents in asylums who can't and those in cemeteries."-- Everett Dirksen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:12:03 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:12:03 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <40004D15.9010803-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200401101812.03337.fraser@wehave.net> On January 10, 2004 02:05 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > You know guys, it could be that his machine isn't powerful enough for > more than 7.3. Please, be polite or be quiet (or, gosh, be helpful!). I really was trying to be helpful. While supporting an existing Redhat 7.3 system is fine, in my mind installing Redhat 7.3 on a brand new system is a complete waste of time. If for some reason you're wanting to stick with Redhat then go with their enterprise workstation (or server if that is appropriate). If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions of Redhat are too bloated then it's time to look at other solutions. If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions of Redhat cost too much then it's time to look at other solutions. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:49:26 2004 From: justin.kozuch-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mr. Justin G. Kozuch) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:49:26 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110003827.073a9c28-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040110003827.073a9c28@localhost> Message-ID: Hi Clifford, I found this, only it's for Mandrake 9.0 http://www.tweakhound.com/mdk9/mdk9net.htm Looks like it could work!!! I'm hoping for the best. Justin -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org]On Behalf Of CLIFFORD ILKAY Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:56 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 At 23:43 09/01/2004 -0500, Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: >Hey Everyone, > >I am a new Linux user, and I would like to network my Windows XP Pro/Linux >Mandrake machines together, however, I am very confused as to how to do >this. Hi Justin, I have exactly that combination, amongst others. You need to install the samba packages for Linux, if you have not done so already. You may also want to install the swat (Samba Web Administration Toolkit) package while you are at it. Make sure samba is running and then browse to to get to swat and authenticate as root. Once you are in, you can create Windows shares and perform a host of other administrative tasks using swat. Its on-line help is quite helpful. When you have finished configuring samba, remember to restart the samba daemon. You can do that from swat, the command line, or the Mandrake Control Center. You should see the share from the Windows XP box. If you do not, from a Linux shell prompt type: smbclient -U yourUserID -L localhost and enter the password for yourUserID. You should now see the list of shares, servers, and workgroups that are available. This is like the net view command in Windows. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:55:47 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> Message-ID: i'd recommend using rh 9.0 if you can get it, but for your install problem, you can switch to the other virtual consoles when it fails and see what the error message was, it might help identify where the problem was. CTRL-ALT-F1 F2 F3 F4 Are you using text mode or GUI? On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am installing rh 7.3. > > I'm getting hte error, > > There was an error installing curl-7.9.5-2. This can indicate media > failure, lack of disk space, and/or hardware problems. This is a fatal > error and your install will be aborted. Please verify your media and try > your install again. Press the OK button to reboot your system. > > Damn -I would have prefered, "Back up throuugh the installation and > repartition, run this media checker, etc." Alas, only option is to > reinstall. > > The entire instalation I chose is supposed to take up around 1.6 GB, but > the installer never lets you know how that is carved up into the > different directoris. Overall I have way more than that, but maybe my > partitioning scheme is not the best. I have done the following in fdisk, > > hda2 / 1GB > hda3 swap 1GB > hda5 /boot 64MB > hda6 /home 3.5GB > hda7 /usr 4.5GB > > I thought that would do it. > > In the meantime, I am trying a reinstall with a different copy of disk > 2, where the installation stalled. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 10 23:59:31 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:59:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > I am installing rh 7.3. > > > > Why? It's an old distribution that is now completely unsupported. > > It's more stable and better shaken down than any of the more recent ones. > For someone who wants to run Red Hat, running 7.3 or even 7.2 is quite a > reasonable decision. i've been using redhat for years and i'm still suprised at how many people say this kind of thing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:20:56 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:20:56 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <40007128.6020708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <400096E8.3030007@pcsecurityonline.com> I have a friend ( located in oakville ) who could make these easily. Fire him off an email and tell him I sent you. http://www.customgraphicshop.com/ Good prices too ;) James Knott wrote: > Robert Brockway wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: >>> >>>> Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) >>> >>> >>> They'll stamp it in your palm when you enter. >> >> >> >> I have images of a large penguin at the door stamping the hand of >> everyone >> who comes in :) >> > > I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the > suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some locally, > without having to worry about customs and border clearance charges etc. > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:12:34 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:12:34 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> <200401101812.03337.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <400094F2.4B81E93C@onlink.net> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On January 10, 2004 02:05 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > You know guys, it could be that his machine isn't powerful enough for > > more than 7.3. Please, be polite or be quiet (or, gosh, be helpful!). > > I really was trying to be helpful. While supporting an existing Redhat 7.3 > system is fine, in my mind installing Redhat 7.3 on a brand new system is a > complete waste of time. > > If for some reason you're wanting to stick with Redhat then go with their > enterprise workstation (or server if that is appropriate). > > If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions of > Redhat are too bloated then it's time to look at other solutions. > > If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions of > Redhat cost too much then it's time to look at other solutions. Pretty mundane reasons: I have a slow connection so downloading is a drag, I happen to have rh7.3 disks, sound is already compiled into the kernel, Netscape is included, I have the rh8.0 disks so I can upgrade if I want OO and other bells & whistles. Redhat is more of a multimedia system than 8.0. It's fat enough to have goodies, but not fat enough that it runs slowly... Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:24:35 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:24:35 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <400084FF.50806-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1073780675.28392.0.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 18:04, David J Patrick wrote: > Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would > I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? # urpmi rp-pppoe or whatever else you need. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:28:48 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:28:48 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm Message-ID: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> Has anyone successfully installed VMware and loaded Windows 98 SE as guest OS in a vm? I managed to install VMware 4.0.5. Build 6030. But I'm having trouble installing W98 SE into a vm. I tried a different CD - same problem. Tried W95 OSR 2 - another problem. Trying to load W98 SE I get an internal monitor error. Trying to install W96 OSR 2, I get that famous error that informs theat Winfdows needs at least 7 MB to install : ) Also, interestingly enough the installation seems to want the Windows 98 Startup floppy, even though the CD is bootable - that's a head scratcher. I have emailed VMware support, but I'm chomping at the bit to use this - and they may take three days to get back to me to tell me that Evaluation users aren't really supported - I don't know. I have also posted the question to the VMware Community Forum. Any ideas I can chase tonight? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:42:30 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:42:30 -0500 Subject: Sympatico, Mandrake9.2 and Speedstream5200 - no go ! In-Reply-To: <40007F62.1090405-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40007F62.1090405@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <40009BF6.1090105@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, rp-pppoe works well with Sympatico (on Redhat). Make sure you try the /sbin/adsl-start script that comes with it (instead of any distro-specific ways to start network interfaces). I would also recomend getting the latest version directly from their site: And, as the instructions say, *use the source tar.gz or source RPM!* David J Patrick wrote: > I just spent a couple of hours trying to help a friend connect his > (PII233) Mandrake9.2 setup to the net. > He has a shiny new Efficient Networks Speedstream5200 Ethernet/ USB. > Using the wizard in MCC I tried every concievable combination, > culminating in blinkin' lights on the modem > (using the USR 3c905b 100base TX (Cyclone) card, not USB) and pppoe; but > no connection. > I considered trying Knoppix (didn't have a copy with me) OR d/l Roaring > penguins finest rp-pppoe. > Any ideas ? > thanks, - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAAJwARreNkzrRRLQRAiqdAJ9tXVbuCewi9a0nG+M8q6qLMWQhYACgmCLi rZVJ8OdA5vn45w1+aoiuCIo= =0S8l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:43:04 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:43:04 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation References: <40005884.C06D519E@onlink.net> <20040110170522.222e8d0a.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <40009C18.7ACB5A0C@onlink.net> John Myshrall wrote: [...] > > Take a look at Libranet out of BC. It's Debian based and gives you > plenty of desktop switching capabilities. By trying different desktops you can > choose what will work best for your system. They have KDE as well. > However it's uses a lot of system resources. Not to start a desktop war, IceWM is > may be a better choice or Xterm. > > They have a free version you can download. If your connection is slow, It is. > > forward your address to me and I'll mail you a copy. Chris Aitken 244 A Tamarack Timmins, Ont. P4N 6R1 Do you want to send it then I'll mail you a money order to cover your postage? how do you want to do this? Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 00:57:02 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:57:02 -0500 Subject: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40009F5E.3030501@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Like I said, I would recommend moving the DSL modem to the Linux computer, because that would make use of Linux's powerful networking and security features. Look at the current "Sympatico, Mandrake9.2 and Speedstream5200" thread (it should develop into a tutorial sooner or later :)) for the setup info for the DSL connection, or follow the instructions that come with the source package (or ) Once you can connect to the net from the Linux machine, allowing WinXP to share the connection is fairly easy. Someone with Mandrake experience should help you there. Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: > I'm using a DSL connection from Sympatico. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org]On Behalf Of Anton > Markov > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:25 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Network Windows XP Pro/Linux Mandrake 9.1 > > > Hi Justin, > > As far as file sharing goes, just install and configure Samba like Tom > and Clifford have suggested. > > Mr. Justin G. Kozuch wrote: > >>>- Connect to the Internet from the Linux Mandrake machine. > > > As far as sharing internet access between the WinXP and Linux machines, > it would be better to have the Linux box connected directly to the > internet, and then have the WinXP machine connect through it using IP > Masquerading. That way the Linux machine can act as a firewall so you > get all the advantages of Linux security. > > I am not sure what kind of tools Mandrake comes with for configuring the > IP Tables (firewall) system, but perhaps someone with Mandrake > experience can answer that. > > What kind of internet connection do you have, and who is the provider? > - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 "The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success." - Some bad guy from 007 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAAJ9kRreNkzrRRLQRAiQTAJsGz27+AumRZ5Tk1CdtWNO2s8VgzACaA6Um JwacRx8QYWb3Ne9Ls11Nk9w= =7yF5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 01:07:22 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:07:22 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <400098C0.16603D70-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> Message-ID: <4000A1CA.8030101@pcsecurityonline.com> vmware 4.02 5592 XP pro Windows 2003 web edition win 98 se 2000 pro all installed and working with no problems. SuSE 9.0 pro Athlon 2800 Barton I didnt have to do anything special to install 98 Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone successfully installed VMware and loaded Windows 98 SE as > guest OS in a vm? > > I managed to install VMware 4.0.5. Build 6030. But I'm having trouble > installing W98 SE into a vm. I tried a different CD - same problem. > Tried W95 OSR 2 - another problem. Trying to load W98 SE I get an > internal monitor error. Trying to install W96 OSR 2, I get that famous > error that informs theat Winfdows needs at least 7 MB to install : ) > > Also, interestingly enough the installation seems to want the Windows 98 > > Startup floppy, even though the CD is bootable - that's a head > scratcher. > > I have emailed VMware support, but I'm chomping at the bit to use this - > > and they may take three days to get back to me to tell me that > Evaluation users aren't really supported - I don't know. > > I have also posted the question to the VMware Community Forum. > > Any ideas I can chase tonight? > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 01:59:44 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:59:44 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <4000A1CA.8030101-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <4000A1CA.8030101@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <20040111021938.C581FFBB99@gollum.gregorypleau.com> VMWare emulates it's own BIOS - sometimes you gotta turn on CD booting in there too, -and- capture the CD device in the VM settings. Anyhow, I've not had any problems with VMWare 3 and 4 / Win98 on Redhat 7.2 all the way to Fedora Core 1. All Intel boxes. On another note - Microsoft Virtual PC runs Linux pretty well too ( Debian, Fedora, Mandrake are the ones I've tried ). Only thing missing is an accelerated X driver :( Only time I gave VMWare gas was when I read that 2.6 kernel info a few months back and tried that.... didn't go quite as smooth. - Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Jason > Shein > Sent: January 10, 2004 8:07 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm > > vmware 4.02 5592 > > XP pro > Windows 2003 web edition > win 98 se > 2000 pro > > all installed and working with no problems. > > SuSE 9.0 pro > Athlon 2800 Barton > > I didnt have to do anything special to install 98 > > > Chris Aitken wrote: > > Has anyone successfully installed VMware and loaded Windows 98 SE as > > guest OS in a vm? > > > > I managed to install VMware 4.0.5. Build 6030. But I'm having trouble > > installing W98 SE into a vm. I tried a different CD - same problem. > > Tried W95 OSR 2 - another problem. Trying to load W98 SE I get an > > internal monitor error. Trying to install W96 OSR 2, I get that famous > > error that informs theat Winfdows needs at least 7 MB to install : ) > > > > Also, interestingly enough the installation seems to want the Windows 98 > > > > Startup floppy, even though the CD is bootable - that's a head > > scratcher. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 02:27:32 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:27:32 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <200401101812.03337.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401101812.03337.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040111024726.EAD77FBB99@gollum.gregorypleau.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Fraser > Campbell > Sent: January 10, 2004 6:12 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: rh 7.3 instalation > > On January 10, 2004 02:05 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > > > You know guys, it could be that his machine isn't powerful enough for > > more than 7.3. Please, be polite or be quiet (or, gosh, be helpful!). > > I really was trying to be helpful. While supporting an existing Redhat > 7.3 > system is fine, in my mind installing Redhat 7.3 on a brand new system is > a > complete waste of time. My concerns are mainly security and interoperability. It is just simply maddening to download an rpm and find it wants some library that came out a year after the version of Linux you've got. Especially when that is something like libssl. It's also maddening when you find a package in /tmp called redhat-7.3.rootkit.tgz on a machine that runs no servers. I have seen both and that is the basis of my choosing to question the 7.3 install. No malice intended, forgive my tone if that is what was perceived. > If for some reason you're wanting to stick with Redhat then go with their > enterprise workstation (or server if that is appropriate). Those products are very good for corporations that don't like their software changing too often. RedHat tries to keep the code base stable for a lot longer, and that's why Fedora was cut loose. Kind of like when Dell comes around pushing their Optiplex line - "Doesn't have the latest stuff but you won't have to worry about changing your Ghost images". > If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions > of > Redhat are too bloated then it's time to look at other solutions. Trim out the packages that are not needed. I run it fine - with X windows even (using fluxbox) - on Pentium 100 machines. A 486, 386, etc never tried it so I guess I should be quiet here. > > If you're installing the old version of Redhat because the later versions > of > Redhat cost too much then it's time to look at other solutions. > fedora.redhat.com should be close enough to Redhat for most users. Debian would be my first choice for a system that can't run Fedora, after that I have to start thinking about cost/benefit to running that computer. > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux ^ Hey me too! :) - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 02:37:53 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:37:53 -0500 Subject: Tux Case Badges In-Reply-To: Message from James Knott of "Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:39:52 EST." <40007128.6020708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040111023754.915E03FE2@cbbrowne.com> > I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the > suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some > locally, without having to worry about customs and border clearance > charges etc. I picked up half a dozen of them last week for $6 USD from CheapBytes. There were no customs or border clearance charges; just GST upon delivery. Just make sure that they do NOT deliver via UPS... If people are interested in getting these, then the right goal is to find the most economical source, and have someone buy some. -- let name="aa454" and tld="freenet.carleton.ca" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/linuxdistributions.html A Plateau is the highest form of flattery. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 02:40:48 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:40:48 -0600 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <20040111024726.EAD77FBB99-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111024726.EAD77FBB99@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <200401102040.48494.Garth@Webostics.com> > My concerns are mainly security and interoperability. It is just simply > maddening to download an rpm and find it wants some library that came out a > year after the version of Linux you've got. Especially when that is > something like libssl. It's also maddening when you find a package in /tmp > called redhat-7.3.rootkit.tgz on a machine that runs no servers. I have > seen both and that is the basis of my choosing to question the 7.3 install. And no matter how RH hard-core you are, or how SuSE you are, or how WHATEVER LINUX DISTRO you are, this is without a doubt the MOST reasonable summing of the factors involved. And this is WHY we don't STOP at 7.3 or 8 or 1539 and literally thousands of the world's best Linux people constantly work to improve 7 or 7.1 etc while politics dictates the demise of M$ for exactly the opposite thought in general. Just my opinion but I can upgrade or up2date until my keyboard and mouse turn blue, without rebuilding or installing the latest kernel, it's all for not! Technology changes far too quickly and this is what Linux stands for in sorts. It's either keep up or go back to Windoze 3.11. I'll go with the flow, and enter 2004 with the latest regardless of how happy or content I'm led to believe I am either by chance or fate. Sorry if I spilled any troll food on the way. I was running and continue to run for the life of my computer(s). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 02:41:50 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:41:50 -0500 Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: Message from "Peter L. Peres" of "Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:55:18 +0200." References: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20040111024151.C042C3FE2@cbbrowne.com> > You are getting spam that is designed to defeat bayesian filters. The > spam sowftware is misconfigured so the actual payload (a web link) > does not make it. I am getting dozens of these per week. Don't bother > with them. Unfortunately, for them, this approach _doesn't_ defeat a properly implemented Naive Bayesian filter. The randomly chosen set of words won't look like your corpus of "good email." -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://cbbrowne.com/info/nonrdbms.html Please, please, please, do not let your first object oriented programming experience be in C++. It will make it *so* much harder for you to really learn how to program properly. There will be so much that you need to un-learn. -- Jamie Zawinski -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 02:59:30 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:59:30 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <20040111024726.EAD77FBB99-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111024726.EAD77FBB99@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <200401102159.30211.fraser@wehave.net> On January 10, 2004 09:27 pm, Gregory Pleau wrote: > something like libssl. It's also maddening when you find a package in /tmp > called redhat-7.3.rootkit.tgz on a machine that runs no servers. You had this happen??? Any idea how? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 03:21:06 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:21:06 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? Message-ID: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> I'm looking to buy two or three inexpensive wireless PCI cards to work with Linux. Where are some good places to look for such things? Left to my own devices I'd just check out the stores along College between Spadina and Bathurst, but I don't have any reason to think that they offer the best selection/prices. Recommendations? -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Philosophy Department University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 (416)-978-8703 fax CANADA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 14:02:06 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:02:06 -0500 Subject: CaffeBickford; Torontos first Open Source Caffe - the focus of nest Tuesdays meeting In-Reply-To: <400096E8.3030007-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> <400096E8.3030007@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <4001575E.5060204@rogers.com> I'm only looking for a few. If I wanted a large order, I'd get my cousin to do it. I've run off a couple on my ink jet printer, but professionally made ones would be better. Then again, if I had lots, I could wander through computer stores and put "Tux" on all the computers. ;-) Jason Shein wrote: > I have a friend ( located in oakville ) who could make these easily. > Fire him off an email and tell him I sent you. > > http://www.customgraphicshop.com/ > > Good prices too ;) > > > James Knott wrote: > >> Robert Brockway wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: >>>> >>>>> Will you have those "Tux" stickers available? ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They'll stamp it in your palm when you enter. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have images of a large penguin at the door stamping the hand of >>> everyone >>> who comes in :) >>> >> >> I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the >> suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some >> locally, without having to worry about customs and border clearance >> charges etc. >> >> >> >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 14:08:50 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:08:50 -0500 Subject: Tux Case Badges In-Reply-To: <20040111023754.915E03FE2-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFEE620.1070302@sympatico.ca> <3FFF335E.7090600@rogers.com> <40007128.6020708@rogers.com> <20040111023754.915E03FE2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <400158F2.50004@rogers.com> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >>I have seen Tux stickers advertized on the web. However, all the >>suppliers seem to be in the U.S. It would be nice to buy some >>locally, without having to worry about customs and border clearance >>charges etc. > > > I picked up half a dozen of them last week for $6 USD from CheapBytes. > > There were no customs or border clearance charges; just GST upon > delivery. Just make sure that they do NOT deliver via UPS... > > If people are interested in getting these, then the right goal is to > find the most economical source, and have someone buy some. I agree on UPS. They have to be about the worst way to have something sent across the border. I think of the big couriers, Fed Ex is about the best. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 16:25:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:25:02 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <20040111021938.C581FFBB99-CyFG9+lP2tiC9+d01SxeLP4a+lS7SzyN@public.gmane.org> References: <4000A1CA.8030101@pcsecurityonline.com> <20040111021938.C581FFBB99@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <20040111162502.GO7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:59:44PM -0500, Gregory Pleau wrote: > VMWare emulates it's own BIOS - sometimes you gotta turn on CD booting in > there too, -and- capture the CD device in the VM settings. > > Anyhow, I've not had any problems with VMWare 3 and 4 / Win98 on Redhat 7.2 > all the way to Fedora Core 1. All Intel boxes. On another note - Microsoft > Virtual PC runs Linux pretty well too ( Debian, Fedora, Mandrake are the > ones I've tried ). Only thing missing is an accelerated X driver :( > > Only time I gave VMWare gas was when I read that 2.6 kernel info a few > months back and tried that.... didn't go quite as smooth. 4.1beta has better 2.6 kernel support. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 16:26:16 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:26:16 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <400098C0.16603D70-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:28:48PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone successfully installed VMware and loaded Windows 98 SE as > guest OS in a vm? > > I managed to install VMware 4.0.5. Build 6030. But I'm having trouble > installing W98 SE into a vm. I tried a different CD - same problem. > Tried W95 OSR 2 - another problem. Trying to load W98 SE I get an > internal monitor error. Trying to install W96 OSR 2, I get that famous > error that informs theat Winfdows needs at least 7 MB to install : ) > > Also, interestingly enough the installation seems to want the Windows 98 > > Startup floppy, even though the CD is bootable - that's a head > scratcher. > > I have emailed VMware support, but I'm chomping at the bit to use this - > > and they may take three days to get back to me to tell me that > Evaluation users aren't really supported - I don't know. > > I have also posted the question to the VMware Community Forum. > > Any ideas I can chase tonight? Are you using a real win98SE CD not an OEM from some specific computer that only accepts one specific bios? Is your cdrom drive working properly? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 18:20:20 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:20:20 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <40004D15.9010803-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040111182020.GA17897@m450> On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 02:05:57PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote > You know guys, it could be that his machine isn't powerful enough for > more than 7.3. Please, be polite or be quiet (or, gosh, be helpful!). Actually, Debian Stable runs quite well on an old 433 mhz machine with 128 megs of RAM . It even runs GNOME and KDE *APPLICATIONS* too. But don't even *THINK* of running GNOME or KDE *DESKTOP*. I use FVWM, and there are other lightweight window managers. It's sad to see the end of 7.3. It was, in my mind, one of the best general-purpose linux distros of all time. Unfortunately, Redhat fell prey to the Redmond version-du-jour disease. I used to laugh at people who bought... Windows 3.11 in 1994 Windows 95 in 1995 Windows 95 OSr2 in 1996 Windows 98 in 1998 Windows 98 SE in 1999 Windows ME in 2000 Windows XP home in 2001 Redhat was doing the same thing with 8.0 and 9.0. With the end of 7.3 support looming, I switched to Debian in the fall. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 18:52:57 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:52:57 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <20040111182020.GA17897-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <200401101259.36014.fraser@wehave.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> <20040111182020.GA17897@m450> Message-ID: <20040111185257.GQ7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 01:20:20PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Actually, Debian Stable runs quite well on an old 433 mhz machine with > 128 megs of RAM . It even runs GNOME and KDE *APPLICATIONS* too. > But don't even *THINK* of running GNOME or KDE *DESKTOP*. I use FVWM, > and there are other lightweight window managers. Debian stable runs well on a 486/66 48M as long as you don't think X is needed for the most part. > It's sad to see the end of 7.3. It was, in my mind, one of the best > general-purpose linux distros of all time. Unfortunately, Redhat fell > prey to the Redmond version-du-jour disease. I used to laugh at people > who bought... > Windows 3.11 in 1994 > Windows 95 in 1995 > Windows 95 OSr2 in 1996 > Windows 98 in 1998 > Windows 98 SE in 1999 > Windows ME in 2000 > Windows XP home in 2001 You could not buy W95OSR2 even if you wanted to, and most people didn't buy 98SE unless they didn't already have 98. Now it's 2004, what is going on with the Windows releases? Server 2003 doesn't really count to me. > Redhat was doing the same thing with 8.0 and 9.0. With the end of 7.3 > support looming, I switched to Debian in the fall. I switched after RH6.0 drove me nuts, and I had used every version of redhat since 2.0 up to that point. After seeing RH7.0 I sure was happy I had switched. Now I have been using Debian since 2.0, although 2.1 was the first version I found useful. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 19:07:17 2004 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:07:17 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems Message-ID: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> Hello I have been running Mandrake 9.1 for about 3 months now. There was a memo posted earlyin December on the Mandrake site, suggesting to upgrade the stock kernel which came with the distro kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk to 2.4.21.0.26mdk which was patched to guard against a root exploit. This upgrade seemed to go ok, and I recall using the urpmi tool for this upgrade. Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a "bad signature" and borked the installation. I got these rpms from the Mandrake cooker site, so I would presume that they have not been tampered with. Not sure what to do next, apart from posting a msg here and a few other sites like linuxquestions.org Any suggestions would be appreciated. Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 19:13:57 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:13:57 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <40019EE5.70500-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <1073848435.2535.13.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: > Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, > first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the > urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a > "bad signature" and borked the installation. Don't confuse "bad signature" with "bad checksum". The latter means the rpm is broken, but the former just means that you don't have the Mandrake 9.1 pgp key in your rpm database. You can just install the kernel rpm with urpmi --no-verify-rpm . Also keep in mind that you should not be installing any cooker packages on 9.1. A LOT of libraries have changed since 9.1, and cooker rpms are meant to be run on cooker! I'd suggest looking in the updates repository for 9.1, or on the club if you want rpms for 9.1. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 19:36:22 2004 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:36:22 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <1073848435.2535.13.camel-33sJirT1wKwW4XZfol65p/BjuwtQqDz/bwi28uEu5RN+FfftCXEu2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> <1073848435.2535.13.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <4001A5B6.5040800@iprimus.ca> Austin Acton wrote: >On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: > > >>Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, >>first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the >>urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a >>"bad signature" and borked the installation. >> >> > >Don't confuse "bad signature" with "bad checksum". >The latter means the rpm is broken, but the former just means that you >don't have the Mandrake 9.1 pgp key in your rpm database. > >You can just install the kernel rpm with urpmi --no-verify-rpm >. > >Also keep in mind that you should not be installing any cooker packages >on 9.1. A LOT of libraries have changed since 9.1, and cooker rpms are >meant to be run on cooker! I'd suggest looking in the updates >repository for 9.1, or on the club if you want rpms for 9.1. > >Austin > > > Thanks Austin. Hmmn, seems I have a lot to learn about the ideosyncrasies of Mandrake. Thanks for your response. Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:06:48 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:06:48 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: >On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:04:31 -0500 >David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would >>I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? >> >> > >yes, or in a term, as root: > >urpmi rp-pppoe > > > OK, so I had said friend issue the above urpmi command; everything already installed. adsl-setup went along smoothly, with only one hitch; the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take. "on demand" was the result every time. after adsl-setup Mozilla couldn't connect. adsl-start reported "already running" adsl-stop claimed to "kill pppd" adsl-start again still reported "already running" net result; friend (new to computers) can't get at the highspeed connection he's paying for. has seen the command line a few too many times, wonders if linux is really all that cool. his linux geek friend (me) is (am) stumped. I'm goung to try; bringing the newest rp-pppoe-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm and rp-pppoe-gui-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm on disk. urpmi-ing those (how do I point to these files? just urpmi /tmp/wherever/whatever.rpm ?) bring a knoppix disk to see if pppoe-config can pull it off. suggestions welcomed -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:19:21 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:19:21 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001ACD8.5070506-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:06:48 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > >>Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would > >>I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? > >> > >> > > > >yes, or in a term, as root: > > > >urpmi rp-pppoe > > > > > > > OK, so I had said friend issue the above urpmi command; everything > already installed. > adsl-setup went along smoothly, with only one hitch; > the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take. "on > demand" was the result every time. > after adsl-setup Mozilla couldn't connect. > adsl-start reported "already running" > adsl-stop claimed to "kill pppd" > adsl-start again still reported "already running" > > net result; friend (new to computers) can't get at the highspeed > connection he's paying for. > has seen the command line a few too many times, wonders if linux is > really all that cool. > his linux geek friend (me) is (am) stumped. > > I'm goung to try; > bringing the newest rp-pppoe-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm and > rp-pppoe-gui-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm on disk. > urpmi-ing those (how do I point to these files? just urpmi > /tmp/wherever/whatever.rpm ?) > bring a knoppix disk to see if pppoe-config can pull it off. > > suggestions welcomed Well, I don't know how welcome this one will be, but I would really recommend getting a hardware firewall/NAT/router or easily build one if there's an old, unused box lying around, like a 486 or Pentium. It will manage the internet connection (gateway), DNS entries and make internet sharing a breeze. Of course, it will also be more secure. In the process you describe above, were you using the Mandrake Control Center's Internet Connection Wizard? I'm not too familiar with it, never having had to use it, but if you haven't tried that, I would suggest you try it, at least as a first step. But in the end, I really highly recommend getting a broadband router in there, it's just so much easier and more secure, and they're not *that* expensive (free in fact if you've got the abovementioned old machine lyin' around). -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Reality is what you can get away with." -- Robert Anton Wilson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:26:13 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <1073848435.2535.13.camel-33sJirT1wKwW4XZfol65p/BjuwtQqDz/bwi28uEu5RN+FfftCXEu2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> <1073848435.2535.13.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <200401111526.14145.fraser@wehave.net> On January 11, 2004 02:13 pm, Austin Acton wrote: > On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: > > Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, > > first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the > > urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a > > "bad signature" and borked the installation. > > Don't confuse "bad signature" with "bad checksum". > The latter means the rpm is broken, but the former just means that you > don't have the Mandrake 9.1 pgp key in your rpm database. It could also mean that the ftp site has been hacked and that someone has replaced the kernel rpm with one that has some nice added features. Is it common for Mandrake rpms to have bad signatures? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:40:11 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:40:11 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001ACD8.5070506-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001B4AB.5080500@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, After issuing adsl-stop, try waiting about 30 seconds before trying adsl-start. Also, try: # /sbin/adsl-stop # /sbin/ifdown eth0 # or restart all network interfaces: # /sbin/ifup eth0 # /etc/rc... whatever it is on Mandrake # /sbin/adsl-start What do you mean by "the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take?" Try editting /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf and setting DEMAND=no As far as running Mozilla, it may be that Mozilla can't connect to the net and so does not start. Try pinging a site like: # ping www.yahoo.com If it says "network unreachable", you have connection problems. If it says "host not found", then you may have problems with the DNS settings. Try adding manual DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf And if it all fails, I would try using the SOURCE RPM directly from the rp-pppoe site. David J Patrick wrote: > OK, so I had said friend issue the above urpmi command; everything > already installed. > adsl-setup went along smoothly, with only one hitch; > the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take. "on > demand" was the result every time. > after adsl-setup Mozilla couldn't connect. > adsl-start reported "already running" > adsl-stop claimed to "kill pppd" > adsl-start again still reported "already running" > > net result; friend (new to computers) can't get at the highspeed > connection he's paying for. > has seen the command line a few too many times, wonders if linux is > really all that cool. > his linux geek friend (me) is (am) stumped. > > I'm goung to try; > bringing the newest rp-pppoe-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm and > rp-pppoe-gui-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm on disk. > urpmi-ing those (how do I point to these files? just urpmi > /tmp/wherever/whatever.rpm ?) > bring a knoppix disk to see if pppoe-config can pull it off. > > suggestions welcomed - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAAbSzRreNkzrRRLQRAjo2AJkBidQrBxgxkUQVeI5RXDKaP7daHQCdFNfT l2LwGXERmimGf4NDkkMEcZM= =706g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:42:30 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:42:30 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001ACD8.5070506-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200401111542.30491.fraser@wehave.net> On January 11, 2004 03:06 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > suggestions welcomed Presumably the DSL sync light is green on the modem? Restart the adsl connection and look at the logfiles, see which files have recently change in /var/log and look at them. There should definitely be a clue in the logs. If you can't figure it out post a portion of the logfile that you think is relevant. You've already suggested knoppix, if you have it, try it. If it's a password problem then you'll probably see "access denied" or something obvious, if you do call Sympatico. Here's my recent Sympatico story: I spent 3.5 hours talking my mother through setting up her Sympatico connection (3 hours were because she forgets the alphabet when it's used in conjunction with setting up anything on a computer). It was obvious from the logs that her username/password were not working. Finally at 00:30 (Saturday morning) I called Sympatico and found out that her account was "suspended" and that I'd have to call back on Monday. Monday called my mom called them and found out that "there's nothing wrong with your account, perhaps your software isn't installed correctly". I told my mom to reboot and to "try the Internet" and miraculously it was now working. Moral of the story, DO NOT trust the assholes that call themselves "Sympatico support". Needless to say as soon as my mom's introductory rate with Sympatico is over I'll be advising her to switch to another ISP. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:49:10 2004 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:49:10 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <200401111526.14145.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> <1073848435.2535.13.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> <200401111526.14145.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <4001B6C6.9080402@iprimus.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On January 11, 2004 02:13 pm, Austin Acton wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: >> >> >>>Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, >>>first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the >>>urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a >>>"bad signature" and borked the installation. >>> >>> >>Don't confuse "bad signature" with "bad checksum". >>The latter means the rpm is broken, but the former just means that you >>don't have the Mandrake 9.1 pgp key in your rpm database. >> >> > >It could also mean that the ftp site has been hacked and that someone has >replaced the kernel rpm with one that has some nice added features. Is it >common for Mandrake rpms to have bad signatures? > > > > Hi Fraser, Not sure about your comments re the Mandrake ftp site. After Austin's comments re the source of the ftp, I did get the rpm from the www.mandrakesecure.net site which had a kernel advisory regarding upgrades. Am a Drake newbie (not a linux newbie, I used to use Slackware 7.1 but could not get Slack 9.1 to install on my old box) so have limited experience with mandrake sources,. What is more likely to be the problem is that I did not add the pgp key to my rpm database, hence the install borked. I'll go over the process again. Thanks to yourself and Austin for your comments. Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 20:59:20 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem Message-ID: Hello, Probably I'm just missing something silly and obvious, but I've got a what looks like a strange problem trying to run an installation file for the unix version of statistical package called stata. The installation CDROM is mounted on the /cdrom. The permissions (& other info) of the install file are (using ls -l): ls /cdrom/install -l -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 8281 Dec 23 2002 But if I try to run the file by typing (as root): /cdrom/install I get the error message: bash: /cdrom/install: permission denied. How can this be since (i) the file is executable and (ii) I am root. This is on a laptop running debian. It installed fine earlier on a desktop running Redhat. But should that really make much difference? Alex ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:05:35 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:05:35 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001BA9F.9030607@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:06:48 -0500 >David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>>>Available on the disks, you say. If it was not installed initally, would >>>>I go for the package manager in MCC to get it via rpm ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>yes, or in a term, as root: >>> >>>urpmi rp-pppoe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>OK, so I had said friend issue the above urpmi command; everything >>already installed. >>adsl-setup went along smoothly, with only one hitch; >>the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take. "on >>demand" was the result every time. >>after adsl-setup Mozilla couldn't connect. >>adsl-start reported "already running" >>adsl-stop claimed to "kill pppd" >>adsl-start again still reported "already running" >> >>net result; friend (new to computers) can't get at the highspeed >>connection he's paying for. >> has seen the command line a few too many times, wonders if linux is >>really all that cool. >> his linux geek friend (me) is (am) stumped. >> >>I'm goung to try; >> bringing the newest rp-pppoe-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm and >>rp-pppoe-gui-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm on disk. >> urpmi-ing those (how do I point to these files? just urpmi >>/tmp/wherever/whatever.rpm ?) >> bring a knoppix disk to see if pppoe-config can pull it off. >> >>suggestions welcomed >> >> > >Well, I don't know how welcome this one will be, but I would really recommend >getting a hardware firewall/NAT/router or easily build one if there's an old, >unused box lying around, like a 486 or Pentium. It will manage the internet >connection (gateway), DNS entries and make internet sharing a breeze. Of course, >it will also be more secure. > > You *funny* ! I'm sure my friend will agree when I tell him "all your crappy ol' computer (PII266) needs is another older crappier computer. and some supporting peripherals.. should take more than a week. we're gonna have to get all this furniture outta here, though.." I'm sure it's the smart, solid thing to do, but I'd rather offer something more elegant. >In the process you describe above, were you using the Mandrake Control Center's >Internet Connection Wizard? I'm not too familiar with it, never having had to >use it, but if you haven't tried that, I would suggest you try it, at least as a >first step. > That /was/ my first step. Unsucessful. then rp-pppoe soon newer rp-pppoe+gui then the Alcatel modem then knoppix, then WidowsEXPee (a cracked mutant pirate version) >But in the end, I really highly recommend getting a broadband router >in there, it's just so much easier and more secure, and they're not *that* >expensive (free in fact if you've got the abovementioned old machine lyin' >around). > > > Umm .. that's right Joe, if you have /anything/ lying around it' free .. but we don't. what I might have lying around is an Alcatel 1meg modem, perhaps I try that ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:05:59 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:05:59 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4001BAB7.7000808@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 what is the output of: ls -l /cdrom Alex Maynard wrote: > Hello, > > Probably I'm just missing something silly and obvious, but I've got > a what looks like a strange problem trying to run an installation file for > the unix version of statistical package called stata. > > The installation CDROM is mounted on the /cdrom. The permissions > (& other info) of the install file are (using ls -l): > > ls /cdrom/install -l > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 8281 Dec 23 2002 > > But if I try to run the file by typing (as root): > > /cdrom/install > > I get the error message: > > bash: /cdrom/install: permission denied. > > How can this be since (i) the file is executable and (ii) I am root. > > This is on a laptop running debian. It installed fine earlier on a desktop > running Redhat. But should that really make much difference? > > Alex > > > > > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAAbrGRreNkzrRRLQRAoogAJwP78Sx1dVP4414uBXpytgVB82PqQCdE56x PDhit6s3bCvwJQaO0Sm0PmQ= =H32T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:16:37 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:16:37 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001BA9F.9030607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001BA9F.9030607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200401111616.37269.fraser@wehave.net> On January 11, 2004 04:05 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > Umm .. that's right Joe, if you have /anything/ lying around it' free .. > but we don't. what I might have lying around is an Alcatel 1meg modem, > perhaps I try that ? David, Before ripping out hardware try to understand what is wrong? Is your computer being assigned an ip address? Issue the command ifconfig, see what ip address appears next to the device ppp0 (or possible ppp1, ppp2, etc.). If no ip address is being assigned then you need to look at the logs to see why rp-pppoe (or Mandrake's control centre) is failing. If you are getting assigned an ip address but cannot connect to the Internet then the problems that I can immediately think of are dns or firewalling. What does /etc/resolv.conf contain after you connect (hopefully at least one nameserver line)? If there is a nameserver can you query it ("host localhost name.server.ip.address")? For firewall problems look for iptables log messages somewhere under /var/log ... ls -ltr will list files with most recently modified last ... look in those files. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:16:22 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Jan 2004 16:16:22 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: <3FFFBC22.2080004-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > I recently was forced to upgrade to Redhat 9 (my disk crashed) > which has meant that I've been spending a lot of time trying > to recover and discover things that no longer work or need to be > installed. > > One problem is that my xterm pointer > resources no longer appear to work. > > I have settings: > > xterm.*.pointerColor: red > xterm.*.pointerColorBackground: brown > xterm.*.pointerShape: xterm > > Changing the pointerShape does take affect the pointer used, > however, the changing the Color resources appears to do > nothing. > > They used to work and still do on freebsd. > > Does anyone know of other controls (e.g., other resources, > environment variables, files, xterm flags, etc.) that might > affect the pointer *Color* [sic] settings? What GUI enviroment are you using? KDE (and I suspect GNOME) installs its own X resources which can conflict/override your own settings. For example, in the KDE control panel "Appearance & Themes/Colors" dialog, there's a checkbox labled "Apply colors to non-KDE applications". You can uncheck this but then you may find you have to do a lot of tweaking of other non-KDE apps. Instead, I solve these kind of problems with a script like this: % cat .kde/Autostart/Load_Xresources #!/bin/sh xresources="$HOME/.Xresources" # undefine predefined symbols to prevent name clashes cppflags="-UELF -Ui386 -Ulinux -Uunix" # Remove some resources that KDE gets wrong xrdb -query | egrep -v '^xterm\*background:' | xrdb -load $cppflags # Merge in my resources file if [ -r "$xresources" ]; then xrdb -merge -I$HOME $cppflags "$xresources" fi Similar techniques should work in GNOME. HTH, -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:20:55 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:20:55 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001BA9F.9030607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001BA9F.9030607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040111162055.74cf9f2c.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:05:35 -0500 David J Patrick wrote: > > You *funny* ! I'm sure my friend will agree when I tell him > "all your crappy ol' computer (PII266) needs is another older crappier > computer. > and some supporting peripherals.. Not *and*, *or*. > should take more than a week. > we're gonna have to get all this furniture outta here, though.." > I'm sure it's the smart, solid thing to do, but I'd rather offer > something more elegant. A week?! Furniture?! A Linksys router is the same size as the DSL modem, give or take, and very elegant, at least insofar as appearance and functionality. > >In the process you describe above, were you using the Mandrake Control > >Center's > >Internet Connection Wizard? I'm not too familiar with it, never having had to > >use it, but if you haven't tried that, I would suggest you try it, at least > >as a > >first step. > > > That /was/ my first step. Unsucessful. > then rp-pppoe > soon newer rp-pppoe+gui > then the Alcatel modem > then knoppix, then WidowsEXPee (a cracked mutant pirate version) If *none* of those would negotiate a connection, then there are other problems than the software running on the computer at work here. I would say either hardware probs with the NIC, the modem, or further downstream (Sympatico's end). > >But in the end, I really highly recommend getting a broadband router > >in there, it's just so much easier and more secure, and they're not *that* > >expensive (free in fact if you've got the abovementioned old machine lyin' > >around). > > > > > > > Umm .. that's right Joe, if you have /anything/ lying around it' free .. > but we don't. > what I might have lying around is an Alcatel 1meg modem, perhaps I try > that ? Again, if you haven't got a box lyin' around, that's where the broadband router comes in. Anyway, just a suggestion :-) -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."-- Noam Chomsky -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:23:37 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Jan 2004 16:23:37 -0500 Subject: wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Peter L. Peres" writes: > I have a question: I cannot seem to be able to locate a source for a > download of wiki software. www.wiki.org seems to be a pun on GNU style > recursion, I can make no sense of it. Google is saturated with wikis, the > wiki proper is un-findable. A pointer, please ? I like Twiki: http://www.twiki.org And if you're using Debian: apt-get install twiki -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:26:43 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:26:43 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> Message-ID: <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > David Tilbrook writes: > > >>I recently was forced to upgrade to Redhat 9 (my disk crashed) >>which has meant that I've been spending a lot of time trying >>to recover and discover things that no longer work or need to be >>installed. >> >>One problem is that my xterm pointer >>resources no longer appear to work. >> >>I have settings: >> >> xterm.*.pointerColor: red >> xterm.*.pointerColorBackground: brown >> xterm.*.pointerShape: xterm >> >>Changing the pointerShape does take affect the pointer used, >>however, the changing the Color resources appears to do >>nothing. >> >>They used to work and still do on freebsd. >> >>Does anyone know of other controls (e.g., other resources, >>environment variables, files, xterm flags, etc.) that might >>affect the pointer *Color* [sic] settings? > > > What GUI enviroment are you using? KDE (and I suspect GNOME) installs its > own X resources which can conflict/override your own settings. For example, > in the KDE control panel "Appearance & Themes/Colors" dialog, there's a > checkbox labled "Apply colors to non-KDE applications". You can uncheck this > but then you may find you have to do a lot of tweaking of other non-KDE > apps. Instead, I solve these kind of problems with a script like this: > > % cat .kde/Autostart/Load_Xresources > #!/bin/sh > xresources="$HOME/.Xresources" > # undefine predefined symbols to prevent name clashes > cppflags="-UELF -Ui386 -Ulinux -Uunix" > > # Remove some resources that KDE gets wrong > xrdb -query | egrep -v '^xterm\*background:' | xrdb -load $cppflags > > # Merge in my resources file > if [ -r "$xresources" ]; then > xrdb -merge -I$HOME $cppflags "$xresources" > fi > > Similar techniques should work in GNOME. > > HTH, > I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). The xrdb -q does show the proper settings so I assume that nothing is changing them. -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:28:02 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:28:02 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073856481.28578.2.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Hi Alex. I'm not familiar with Debian per se, but it could be that the CD-ROM is mounted with the "noexec" option, which disables the execution of programs directly from it. I've seen this as default in other distros. Check your /etc/fstab, look for the line that corresponds to your CD-ROM, and see if there's a "noexec" option there. If so, remove it, and the remount the CD with "mount -o remount /cdrom". You can also get around it by just running "bash /cdrom/install" if the program is a shell script. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:35:57 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:35:57 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <20040111162055.74cf9f2c.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001BA9F.9030607@sympatico.ca> <20040111162055.74cf9f2c.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001C1BD.2080902@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: > >Anyway, just a suggestion :-) > > and a good one too, thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 21:34:49 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:34:49 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <200401111526.14145.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> <1073848435.2535.13.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> <200401111526.14145.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <1073856886.2534.35.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 15:26, Fraser Campbell wrote: > It could also mean that the ftp site has been hacked and that someone has > replaced the kernel rpm with one that has some nice added features. Is it > common for Mandrake rpms to have bad signatures? As I said, it's not necessarily a 'bad' signature. Recently, Mandrake changed from having one gpg key for all their packages to having one for each genre (standard release, volunteer contributions, security updates, cooker) because each of these have different levels of guaranteed security. Since he was using cooker rpms on a standard distribution, he didn't have the cooker key installed, so the rpms don't check out. BTW, the public keys are always in ../base/ relative to the RPM repository you're using. I also forgot to mention the proper way to install the updates to 9.1. Just: # urpmi.addmedia updates9.1 http://mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake/updates/9.1/RPMS/ with ../base/hdlist.cz # urpmi --auto-select and all the security updates should be done for you. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 22:00:54 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:00:54 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL & Mandrake Message-ID: <4001C796.2090402@sympatico.ca> This is just a guess, but when I first set up Mandrake to use DSL, I used the wizard to set up the connection and of course it failed and then I used rp-pppoe and I found out that you first have to remove the interface that the wizard has tried to set up on eth0, otherwise rp-pppoe will set up the connection on the next available interface which is eth1 ( which means that you won't be able to connect because the browser will be looking at the wrong interface). Here's the relevant bit from the 'read me file' at the Roaring Penguin site. " 4. Edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf ----------------------------- The file /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf contains configuration information for the ADSL connection. You need to edit the following items: - Change ETH=eth1 to the correct Ethernet device for your modem. - Change USER=bxxxnxnx-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org to your proper ADSL user-ID." Its also a good idea to tell eth0 beforehand to accept DHCP (it may be redundant, but it seemed to make a difference on my system). When you configure rp-pppoe to be always on, you must reboot for it to take effect because the boot sequence is where the script writes the service call. Trying to call it after the fact has no effect, in your case because Mandrake is directing the command to wards the interface that it borked up earlier. HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 22:05:39 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:05:39 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <200401111616.37269.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <20040111151921.01771e5c.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001BA9F.9030607@sympatico.ca> <200401111616.37269.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <4001C8B3.2080609@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On January 11, 2004 04:05 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>Umm .. that's right Joe, if you have /anything/ lying around it' free .. >>but we don't. what I might have lying around is an Alcatel 1meg modem, >>perhaps I try that ? >> >> > >David, > >Before ripping out hardware try to understand what is wrong? Is your computer >being assigned an ip address? Issue the command ifconfig, see what ip >address appears next to the device ppp0 (or possible ppp1, ppp2, etc.). > > I'll try that. >If no ip address is being assigned then you need to look at the logs to see >why rp-pppoe (or Mandrake's control centre) is failing. > > specific logs ? >If you are getting assigned an ip address but cannot connect to the Internet >then the problems that I can immediately think of are dns or firewalling. >What does /etc/resolv.conf contain after you connect (hopefully at least one >nameserver line)? If there is a nameserver can you query it ("host localhost >name.server.ip.address")? For firewall problems look for iptables log >messages somewhere under /var/log ... ls -ltr will list files with most >recently modified last ... look in those files. > > nice ls tip. I see I've got a few more logs to look in and a few more man files to climb, thanks. ooo that learning curve .. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 22:09:38 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:09:38 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <40009C18.7ACB5A0C-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40005884.C06D519E@onlink.net> <20040110170522.222e8d0a.jmyshrall@golden.net> <40009C18.7ACB5A0C@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040111170938.598fd24a.jmyshrall@golden.net> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:43:04 -0500 Chris Aitken wrote: > John Myshrall wrote: > > [...] > > > > > Take a look at Libranet out of BC. It's Debian based and gives you > > plenty of desktop switching capabilities. By trying different desktops you can > > choose what will work best for your system. They have KDE as well. > > However it's uses a lot of system resources. Not to start a desktop war, IceWM is > > may be a better choice or Xterm. > > > > They have a free version you can download. If your connection is slow, > > It is. > > > > > forward your address to me and I'll mail you a copy. > > Chris Aitken > 244 A Tamarack > Timmins, Ont. > P4N 6R1 > > Do you want to send it then I'll mail you a money order to cover your postage? how > do you want to do this? > > Chris > > [...] > No need for the MO, I'll eat the the couple of bucks. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 22:10:40 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:10:40 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001ACD8.5070506-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1073853305.20571.64.camel@rincewind.discworld> On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 15:06, David J Patrick wrote: > OK, so I had said friend issue the above urpmi command; everything > already installed. > adsl-setup went along smoothly, with only one hitch; > the option to have connection "always on" didn't seem to take. "on > demand" was the result every time. > after adsl-setup Mozilla couldn't connect. > adsl-start reported "already running" > adsl-stop claimed to "kill pppd" > adsl-start again still reported "already running" > > net result; friend (new to computers) can't get at the highspeed > connection he's paying for. > has seen the command line a few too many times, wonders if linux is > really all that cool. > his linux geek friend (me) is (am) stumped. > > I'm goung to try; > bringing the newest rp-pppoe-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm and > rp-pppoe-gui-3.5-3mdk.i586.rpm on disk. > urpmi-ing those (how do I point to these files? just urpmi > /tmp/wherever/whatever.rpm ?) > bring a knoppix disk to see if pppoe-config can pull it off. > > suggestions welcomed > Check for stale (pppd) lock files. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where to look on a Mandrake box for the lock files. Maybe /var/lock or /var/run? Good luck. -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 11 22:17:50 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:17:50 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL & Mandrake In-Reply-To: <4001C796.2090402-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4001C796.2090402@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001CB8E.4010801@sympatico.ca> John McGregor wrote: > This is just a guess, but when I first set up Mandrake to use DSL, I > used the wizard to set up the connection and of course it failed and > then I used rp-pppoe and I found out that you first have to remove the > interface that the wizard has tried to set up on eth0, otherwise > rp-pppoe will set up the connection on the next available interface > which is eth1 ( which means that you won't be able to connect because > the browser will be looking at the wrong interface). does the wizard launch another daemon ? something I have to kill before the Roaring Penguin daemon can take over ? (sounds like we're playing D&D) > > Here's the relevant bit from the 'read me file' at the Roaring Penguin > site. > > " > > 4. Edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf > ----------------------------- > > The file /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf contains configuration information for the > ADSL connection. You need to edit the following items: > > - Change ETH=eth1 to the correct Ethernet device for your modem. > - Change USER=bxxxnxnx-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org to your proper ADSL user-ID." > > Its also a good idea to tell eth0 beforehand to accept DHCP (it may be > redundant, but it seemed to make a difference on my system). How would one tell eth0 that ? > > When you configure rp-pppoe to be always on, you must reboot for it to > take effect because the boot sequence is where the script writes the > service call. Trying to call it after the fact has no effect, in your > case because Mandrake is directing the command to wards the interface > that it borked up earlier. edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf, save reboot, surf ? > > HTH > > John > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 00:27:18 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:27:18 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: <1073856481.28578.2.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <1073856481.28578.2.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. Alex On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Paul Mora wrote: > Hi Alex. > > I'm not familiar with Debian per se, but it could be that the CD-ROM is > mounted with the "noexec" option, which disables the execution of > programs directly from it. I've seen this as default in other distros. > Check your /etc/fstab, look for the line that corresponds to your > CD-ROM, and see if there's a "noexec" option there. If so, remove it, > and the remount the CD with "mount -o remount /cdrom". > > You can also get around it by just running "bash /cdrom/install" if the > program is a shell script. > > pm > > -- > Paul Mora > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 00:42:13 2004 From: gilh-bXRf4i9N8VRnz3GQr/xE2Q at public.gmane.org (Gil Hauer) Date: 11 Jan 2004 19:42:13 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1073868133.5376.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> What is the first (or first few) lines of the script? Gil On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 19:27, Alex Maynard wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although > the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. > > Alex > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Paul Mora wrote: > > > Hi Alex. > > > > I'm not familiar with Debian per se, but it could be that the CD-ROM is > > mounted with the "noexec" option, which disables the execution of > > programs directly from it. I've seen this as default in other distros. > > Check your /etc/fstab, look for the line that corresponds to your > > CD-ROM, and see if there's a "noexec" option there. If so, remove it, > > and the remount the CD with "mount -o remount /cdrom". > > > > You can also get around it by just running "bash /cdrom/install" if the > > program is a shell script. > > > > pm > > > > -- > > Paul Mora > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 00:51:34 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:51:34 -0500 Subject: dsl & Mandrake Message-ID: <4001EF96.9080104@sympatico.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > > does the wizard launch another daemon ? > something I have to kill before the Roaring Penguin daemon can take > over ? > (sounds like we're playing D&D) More like Mandrake won't let the file of a device that it thinks is in use be overwritten, so the next attempt has to use the next available interface. > > >> >> Here's the relevant bit from the 'read me file' at the Roaring >> Penguin site. >> >> " >> >> 4. Edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf >> ----------------------------- >> >> The file /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf contains configuration information for the >> ADSL connection. You need to edit the following items: >> >> - Change ETH=eth1 to the correct Ethernet device for your modem. >> - Change USER=bxxxnxnx-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org to your proper ADSL user-ID." >> >> Its also a good idea to tell eth0 beforehand to accept DHCP (it may >> be redundant, but it seemed to make a difference on my system). > > > How would one tell eth0 that ? That comment came from my notes for Mandrake 8.0 and after digging around in 9.2 that its no longer necessary. > > >> >> When you configure rp-pppoe to be always on, you must reboot for it >> to take effect because the boot sequence is where the script writes >> the service call. Trying to call it after the fact has no effect, in >> your case because Mandrake is directing the command to wards the >> interface that it borked up earlier. > > > edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf, save reboot, surf ? This link goes to the detailed 'how to' on the Roaring Penguin site. I think thaty if you just comment out each of the files that it says to edit and then re-run the script you should be fine. http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/rp-pppoe/how-to-connect.txt HTH John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 00:58:57 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:58:57 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4001F151.80900@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I believe "noexec" is the default for removable drives. I think it's designed to prevent execution of viruses. I constantly get errors about it not being a recognized option for samba mounts. Alex Maynard wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although > the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. > - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAAfFbRreNkzrRRLQRAgXPAJ9D7GpHmaw4A7zGh9oyuXdfRhed4QCdG984 61blkMbIT6nX/NcXa5p072A= =iU6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 01:04:54 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:04:54 -0500 Subject: Sympatico, Mandrake9.2 and Speedstream5200 - no go ! In-Reply-To: <40007F62.1090405-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40007F62.1090405@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040111192448.02e2e910@localhost> At 17:40 10/01/2004 -0500, David J Patrick wrote: >I just spent a couple of hours trying to help a friend connect his >(PII233) Mandrake9.2 setup to the net. >He has a shiny new Efficient Networks Speedstream5200 Ethernet/ USB. >Using the wizard in MCC I tried every concievable combination, culminating >in blinkin' lights on the modem >(using the USR 3c905b 100base TX (Cyclone) card, not USB) and pppoe; but >no connection. >I considered trying Knoppix (didn't have a copy with me) OR d/l Roaring >penguins finest rp-pppoe. >Any ideas ? Hi David, I just got back from my mother's place where I got her system that I had just installed Mandrake 9.2 connected to Sympatico via a Speedstream DSL modem. Disregard any of the suggestions that have been made to install RP from source. It is not necessary. If the rp-pppoe package is installed, you can use the wizard in Mandrake Control Center to set up the ADSL connection. Make sure the user ID is lower case. When I arrived at my mother's house, the output of ifconfig showed that ppp0 had a Sympatico IP address but I could not ping anything other than the default route's IP address. I disabled the firewall, ran: /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/net_cnx_down /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/net_cn_up to bring the PPPOE connection down and back up again, and I had a good connection. I ran out of time so I could not examine the iptables policies to find out why Internet access was being blocked by the firewall. I find DrakFirewall, the firewall wizard, in its attempt to be user "friendly", is anything but. I am not sure what "What services would you like to allow the Internet to connect to means?" but I had everything but ftp checked and I still could not get to the outside world. Once I checked "Everything (no firewall)", I could go anywhere I wanted. It appears there is no coordination between the PPPOE configuration wizard and DrakFirewall. Mandrake uses the Shorewall firewall scripts. To get the system running in some reasonably secure fashion is probably going to entail hacking away at Shorewall manually. This might come in useful. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 01:06:34 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:06:34 -0500 Subject: dsl & Mandrake In-Reply-To: <4001EF96.9080104-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4001EF96.9080104@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4001F31A.5080603@sympatico.ca> John McGregor wrote: > David J Patrick wrote: > >> >> does the wizard launch another daemon ? >> something I have to kill before the Roaring Penguin daemon can take >> over ? >> (sounds like we're playing D&D) > > > > More like Mandrake won't let the file of a device that it thinks is in > use be overwritten, so the next attempt has to use the next available > interface. > >> Ach zooo ! A lock file ? >> >> How would one tell eth0 that ? > > > > That comment came from my notes for Mandrake 8.0 and after digging > around in 9.2 that its no longer necessary. pardon ? er,. do mean that there's no more problem in v9.2 or that the docs are better, or .. ? > >> >> >>> >>> When you configure rp-pppoe to be always on, you must reboot for it >>> to take effect because the boot sequence is where the script writes >>> the service call. Trying to call it after the fact has no effect, in >>> your case because Mandrake is directing the command to wards the >>> interface that it borked up earlier. >> >> >> >> edit /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf, save reboot, surf ? > > > > > This link goes to the detailed 'how to' on the Roaring Penguin site. I > think thaty if you just comment out each of the files that it says to > edit and then re-run the script you should be fine. > > http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/rp-pppoe/how-to-connect.txt > > > HTH > > John Thanks John, I'll try that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 01:20:55 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:20:55 -0500 Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? Message-ID: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers nntp server is pretty bad. Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 00:39:31 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:39:31 +0100 Subject: Mandrake and DSL Message-ID: <4001ECC3.7040909@sympatico.ca> /Clifford Ilkay wrote: "What services would you like to allow the Internet to connect to means?" /Through trial and error, I was able to determine that this has to be a translation error and that it should read: What are _the only_ services you would like the internet to connect to? And that the way to configure the firewall is to not select any of the options. (which of course means that you have to accept their generic script and then tweak it after the fact). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 02:33:05 2004 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen A.) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:33:05 -0500 Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-9xB6k4dNltmkzIdawFaobA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <20040112023304.GB4156@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 08:20:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, DanG wrote: > Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something > that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers nntp > server is pretty bad. Well, if it's just for news, not downloading of binaries, one can't find a better deal than CIS.DFN.DE. Based in Berlin, a university site. One has to use a legit address when posting, and it's free. To subscribe, visit . I'm on Rogers, and CIS is the only newsserver I use, and have for several years. -- Stephen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 02:38:25 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:38:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040112023304.GB4156-o7t0nEE3I5OSx4Gc7p/2BTaUPDSXGbtvYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> <20040112023304.GB4156@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Stephen A. wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 08:20:55PM -0500 or thereabouts, DanG wrote: > > Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something > > that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers nntp > > server is pretty bad. > > Well, if it's just for news, not downloading of binaries, one can't find > a better deal than CIS.DFN.DE. Based in Berlin, a university site. One > has to use a legit address when posting, and it's free. To subscribe, > visit . I'm on Rogers, and CIS is the only > newsserver I use, and have for several years. I second that. I created a new mail address on Rogers to use just for usenet reading and posting after the SWEN virus hit last September. I wrote a script to delete all the mail received at that address without downloading it. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 02:59:30 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 11 Jan 2004 21:59:30 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: <4001BF93.1000305-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > David Tilbrook writes: > > >>I recently was forced to upgrade to Redhat 9 (my disk crashed) > >>which has meant that I've been spending a lot of time trying > >>to recover and discover things that no longer work or need to be > >>installed. > >> > >>One problem is that my xterm pointer > >>resources no longer appear to work. > >> > >>I have settings: > >> > >> xterm.*.pointerColor: red > >> xterm.*.pointerColorBackground: brown > >> xterm.*.pointerShape: xterm > >> > >>Changing the pointerShape does take affect the pointer used, > >>however, the changing the Color resources appears to do > >>nothing. According to the docs, xterm is the default pointer shape. Just wondering if you've tried other shapes to confirm the pointerShape resource is working. > >>They used to work and still do on freebsd. > >> > >>Does anyone know of other controls (e.g., other resources, > >>environment variables, files, xterm flags, etc.) that might > >>affect the pointer *Color* [sic] settings? > > > > What GUI enviroment are you using? KDE (and I suspect GNOME) installs its > > own X resources which can conflict/override your own settings. [snipped stuff about fixing resources in KDE] > I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). No, I can understand why. > The xrdb -q does show the proper settings so I assume that nothing > is changing them. I just tried setting the pointer colour on my laptop (Debian woody with XFree86 4.3.0 and xterm 4.3.0) and it doesn't work. I also tried setting it in a running xterm using editres which also doesn't work. It does work though on my desktop (Debian woody with XFree86 4.1.0 and xterm 4.1.0) so it appears to be a bug in recent xterm. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 03:14:23 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:14:23 -0500 Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-9xB6k4dNltmkzIdawFaobA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: <00da01c3d8ba$3159ef00$6401a8c0@main> -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of DanG Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:21 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers nntp server is pretty bad. ? ??????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks, ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Dan I use Rogers NNTP and have never had a problem with it. I usually grab 7-15GB a day and I find its quite good. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 03:48:00 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:48:00 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> Message-ID: <400218F0.90008@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > >>I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). > > > No, I can understand why. > > >>The xrdb -q does show the proper settings so I assume that nothing >>is changing them. > > > I just tried setting the pointer colour on my laptop (Debian woody with > XFree86 4.3.0 and xterm 4.3.0) and it doesn't work. I also tried setting it > in a running xterm using editres which also doesn't work. It does work > though on my desktop (Debian woody with XFree86 4.1.0 and xterm 4.1.0) so it > appears to be a bug in recent xterm. > Sigh ... So do you know a source of the xterm source? -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 04:10:01 2004 From: roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: 11 Jan 2004 23:10:01 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <40019EE5.70500-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> Message-ID: <1073880597.2451.7.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: Hello Clive I have been running Mandrake 9.1 for about 7 months now and have just found Mandrake 9.2 is in ISO's on web site. I have downloaded it but I didn't note what the kernal version is. > Hello > > I have been running Mandrake 9.1 for about 3 months now. There was a > memo posted earlyin December on the Mandrake site, suggesting to upgrade > the stock kernel which came with the distro kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk to > 2.4.21.0.26mdk which was patched to guard against a root exploit. This > upgrade seemed to go ok, and I recall using the urpmi tool for this > upgrade. Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, > first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the > urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a > "bad signature" and borked the installation. I got these rpms from the > Mandrake cooker site, so I would presume that they have not been > tampered with. Not sure what to do next, apart from posting a msg here > and a few other sites like linuxquestions.org > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Clive -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 04:45:35 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:45:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-9xB6k4dNltmkzIdawFaobA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112011908.KUDH448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, DanG wrote: > Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something > that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers nntp > server is pretty bad. Have you considered running INN locally? I did this for years using suck to upload & download news. This way you can set your own rules for news expiring. Another option is leafnode. I also used this for years but ended up dropping it in favour of INN. I've since given up my news habit although I still manage to drop into a few favourite groups from time to time :) Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ben-2t5HQ58uLWk at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 06:40:48 2004 From: ben-2t5HQ58uLWk at public.gmane.org (Ben Konrath) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:40:48 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040111032106.GB30231-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> Message-ID: <1073889648.654.1.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 22:21, Peter King wrote: > I'm looking to buy two or three inexpensive wireless PCI cards to work > with Linux. Where are some good places to look for such things? Left to > my own devices I'd just check out the stores along College between > Spadina and Bathurst, but I don't have any reason to think that they > offer the best selection/prices. Recommendations? I like to go to www.canadacomputers.com They seem to have the best selection / prices in the college street area. I've heard that some people have some complaints about their service, but I've never had a problem. cheers, ben -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 07:26:26 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 12 Jan 2004 02:26:26 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: <400218F0.90008-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> <400218F0.90008@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > > > > >>I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). > > No, I can understand why. > > > > > >>The xrdb -q does show the proper settings so I assume that nothing > >>is changing them. > > I just tried setting the pointer colour on my laptop (Debian woody with > > > XFree86 4.3.0 and xterm 4.3.0) and it doesn't work. I also tried setting it > > in a running xterm using editres which also doesn't work. It does work > > though on my desktop (Debian woody with XFree86 4.1.0 and xterm 4.1.0) so it > > appears to be a bug in recent xterm. > > > > > Sigh ... So do you know a source of the xterm source? You can find it here: http://dickey.his.com/xterm/ Unfortunately, this one has the bug too but maybe you can drop him an e-mail as he seems to be the current maintainer. Good luck! -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 11:45:23 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:45:23 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: [...] > > Are you using a real win98SE CD Yes. > not an OEM from some specific computer > that only accepts one specific bios? No. > > Is your cdrom drive working properly? Yes, I play CDs from it, just installed rh7.3 from it... The installation starts OK, but then I get the error that there is no bootable CD or floppy (and both are present). Other times the installation goes a little further (I even managed an fdisk to create the virtual C: drive this morning) and I get the 'you need 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive' (where this 'C: drive is inreality I don't know, but my 1GB / is only 11% used). Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 11:48:23 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:48:23 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation References: <40005884.C06D519E@onlink.net> <20040110170522.222e8d0a.jmyshrall@golden.net> <40009C18.7ACB5A0C@onlink.net> <20040111170938.598fd24a.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <40028987.86C22173@onlink.net> John Myshrall wrote: [...] > > No need for the MO, I'll eat the the couple of bucks. > > John You're a prince. Thanks. Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 11:53:04 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:53:04 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40028AA0.5935932F@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: [...] > > The installation starts OK, but then I get the error that there is no > bootable CD or floppy (and both are present). Other times the installation > goes a little further (I even managed an fdisk to create the virtual C: drive > this morning) and I get the 'you need 7340032 bytes available on your C: > drive' (where this 'C: drive is inreality I don't know, but my 1GB / is > only 11% used). Here is the entire message: *** VMware Workstation internal monitor error *** VM attempting to execute in undefined memory. Please report this problem by selecting menu item Help > VMware on the Web > Request Support, or by going to the Web page "http://www.vmware.com/info?id=8&sn=6860A%2dEQ1Y6%2dAN1CJ%2d4K3LJ&logFile=%2fhome%2flsf%2fwin98%2d1%2fvmware%2elog&coreLocation=%2fhome%2flsf%2fwin98%2d1%2fvmware%2dcore%2egz". Please provide us with the log file (/home/lsf/win98-1/vmware.log) and the core file (/home/lsf/win98-1/vmware-core.gz). If the problem is repeatable, please set 'Logging level' to 'Debug' in the Misc panel of the configuration editor. Then reproduce the incident and file it according to the instructions. We will respond on the basis of your support entitlement. We appreciate your feedback, -- the VMware Workstation team. > > > Chris > > [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 12:16:48 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:16:48 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: [...] > > > Is your cdrom drive working properly? > > Yes, I play CDs from it, just installed rh7.3 from it... > > The installation starts OK, but then I get the error that there is no > bootable CD or floppy (and both are present). Other times the installation > goes a little further (I even managed an fdisk to create the virtual C: drive > this morning) and I get the 'you need 7340032 bytes available on your C: > drive' (where this 'C: drive is inreality I don't know, but my 1GB / is > only 11% used). I foubd the following in VMware help: # Note: In some host configurations, the virtual machine is not able to boot from the installation CD-ROM. You can work around that problem by creating an ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM. Use the Virtual Machine Control Panel to connect the virtual machine's CD drive to the ISO image file, then power on the virtual machine. So, I went to Edit > Virtual machine Settings (i.e. Virtual Machine Control Panel) > [double-clicked the cdrom] > Use ISO image > mnt/cdrom/win98/setup.exe I tried starting the vm again and got, 'Missing operating System'. [...] Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 12:22:45 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:22:45 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <40029195.3BCC9BDB@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: [...] > I found the following in VMware help: > > # Note: In some host configurations, the virtual machine is not able to boot > from the installation CD-ROM. You can work around that problem by creating an > ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM. Use the Virtual Machine Control > Panel to connect the virtual machine's CD drive to the ISO image file, then > power on the virtual machine. > > So, I went to Edit > Virtual machine Settings (i.e. Virtual Machine Control > Panel) > [double-clicked the cdrom] > Use ISO image > > mnt/cdrom/win98/setup.exe I don't know if pointing the cdrom to the installation file on the cdrom constitutes "creating an ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM". I did a web search on a definiition for ISO image file and only got one in German. [...] Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 05:35:05 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:35:05 -0500 Subject: rh 7.3 instalation In-Reply-To: <400094F2.4B81E93C-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFF8B25.7EA0E44A@onlink.net> <1073761441.23967.19.camel@gollum.gregorypleau.com> <40004D15.9010803@alteeve.com> <200401101812.03337.fraser@wehave.net> <400094F2.4B81E93C@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112003505.5cf5b9fe.hgibson@eol.ca> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:12:34 -0500 Chris Aitken wrote: > > Pretty mundane reasons: I have a slow connection so downloading is a drag, I > happen to have rh7.3 disks, sound is already compiled into the kernel, Netscape > is included, I have the rh8.0 disks so I can upgrade if I want OO and other > bells & whistles. Redhat is more of a multimedia system than 8.0. It's fat > enough to have goodies, but not fat enough that it runs slowly... > > Chris It sort of sounds like Linux is an ideal system to be installed on an old, slow computer. Unfortuntately, this is not possible unless you are a skilled Linux user. I have Red Hat 8 running on an old laptop, and I have it working fine. I use FVWM instead of Gnome or KDE. I have to use OO because I am working with a bunch of Windows users and a couple of Mac users. Otherwise, I would work around that too by running Tex/LaTeX. Gnumeric is adequate for a lot of spreadsheet work. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 15:03:34 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:03:34 -0700 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <40029195.3BCC9BDB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> <40029195.3BCC9BDB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112150334.GA29365@idiom.novusordo.net> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:22:45AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I don't know if pointing the cdrom to the installation file on the cdrom > constitutes "creating an ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM". I did a web > search on a definiition for ISO image file and only got one in German. It absolutely does not. dd if=/dev/hdc of=win98se.iso bs=64k where /dev/hdc is your CDROM device, then point VMWare at win92se.iso. -- Taavi Burns Choral Warmup: Thee thaw tho-o-tho-o-tho-o thee thaw... (thed with a lithp) /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 16:14:38 2004 From: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Clive DaSilva) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:14:38 -0500 Subject: Mandrake 9.1 kernel update problems In-Reply-To: <1073880597.2451.7.camel-dKL88l7hNfq+7LdUnWLbWeRNwQ1nxAZKTJmjD0f5kqEKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <40019EE5.70500@iprimus.ca> <1073880597.2451.7.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <4002C7EE.4000609@iprimus.ca> Stephen wrote: >On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:07, Clive DaSilva wrote: > >Hello Clive > >I have been running Mandrake 9.1 for about 7 months now and have just >found Mandrake 9.2 is in ISO's on web site. > >I have downloaded it but I didn't note what the kernal version is. > > > > >>Hello >> >>I have been running Mandrake 9.1 for about 3 months now. There was a >>memo posted earlyin December on the Mandrake site, suggesting to upgrade >>the stock kernel which came with the distro kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk to >>2.4.21.0.26mdk which was patched to guard against a root exploit. This >>upgrade seemed to go ok, and I recall using the urpmi tool for this >>upgrade. Since then I have tried to upgrade my kernel twice since then, >>first to 2.4.21.0.27 mdk and also to 2.6.0.1mdk. In both cases, the >>urpmi tool as well as "rpm --checksig kernelwhatever.rpm" reported a >>"bad signature" and borked the installation. I got these rpms from the >>Mandrake cooker site, so I would presume that they have not been >>tampered with. Not sure what to do next, apart from posting a msg here >>and a few other sites like linuxquestions.org >> >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>Clive >> >> > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > Hi Stephen I believe the kernel version in that distro is 2.4.22 or 23. I stayed away from it after the reported problems with the cdrom drive Thanksfor your response Clive -- Clive DaSilva CMA Home Tel: 416-421-2480 Cell: 416-560-8820 Email: cdasilva-q6EoVN9bke6w5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 16:42:48 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:42:48 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> <40029195.3BCC9BDB@onlink.net> <20040112150334.GA29365@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <4002CE88.8AF82CD0@onlink.net> Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:22:45AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I don't know if pointing the cdrom to the installation file on the cdrom > > constitutes "creating an ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM". I did a web > > search on a definiition for ISO image file and only got one in German. > > It absolutely does not. > > dd if=/dev/hdc of=win98se.iso bs=64k > > where /dev/hdc is your CDROM device, then point VMWare at win92se.iso. OK, thanks. I made an image file for the CD-ROM: > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=win98se.iso bs=64k > 10017+1 records in > 10017+1 records out I also made one for the floppy, since the installation keeps looking to the floppy drive and finding nothing: [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ dd if=/dev/fd0 of=win98seflp.iso 2880+0 records in 2880+0 records out And I had the CD-ROM and floppy drives in Virtual Machine Control Panel point to these ISOs. Still I get, *** VMware Workstation internal monitor error *** VM attempting to execute in undefined memory. Please report this problem by selecting menu item Help > VMware on the Web > Request Support, or by going to the Web page " http://www.vmware.com/info?id=8&sn=6860A%2dEQ1Y6%2dAN1CJ%2d4K3LJ&logFile=%2fhome%2flsf%2fwin98%2d1%2fvmware%2elog&coreLocation=%2fhome%2flsf%2fwin98%2d1%2fvmware%2dcore%2egz ". Please provide us with the log file (/home/lsf/win98-1/vmware.log) and the core file (/home/lsf/win98-1/vmware-core.gz). If the problem is repeatable, please set 'Logging level' to 'Debug' in the Misc panel of the configuration editor. Then reproduce the incident and file it according to the instructions. We will respond on the basis of your support entitlement. We appreciate your feedback, -- the VMware Workstation team. I'm thinking now that I have two, concomitant, problems: 1. hardware that VMware doesn't like (hence the need for image files), and 2. this internal monitor / undefined memory error for which I don't know how long I'll have to wait to hear from VMware support. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 17:20:52 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:20:52 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <4002CE88.8AF82CD0-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4002CE88.8AF82CD0@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112174022.3A48AE7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> > I'm thinking now that I have two, concomitant, problems: 1. hardware that > VMware > doesn't like (hence the need for image files), and 2. this internal > monitor / undefined > memory error for which I don't know how long I'll have to wait to hear > from VMware > support. > > Chris > Quick Google shows me a lot of users having problems with SMP kernels and VMWare 4. Take a look at the vmware community forums. Also some talk about Defragging ( must be the windows version for that one )/ hdd problems where the actual disk image is kept for your virtual machine. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 18:32:19 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:32:19 -0600 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <20040112174022.3A48AE7C73-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112174022.3A48AE7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <200401121232.19495.Garth@Webostics.com> > Quick Google shows me a lot of users having problems with SMP kernels and > VMWare 4. Take a look at the vmware community forums. Also some talk about > Defragging ( must be the windows version for that one )/ hdd problems where > the actual disk image is kept for your virtual machine. > > - Greg Thought he was using an older PC? Chances of a multi-processor are pretty low no? Surely he's not using the SMP Kernel? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 18:46:41 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:46:41 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <200401121232.19495.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401121232.19495.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040112190611.938CBE7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> > Thought he was using an older PC? Chances of a multi-processor are pretty > low > no? Surely he's not using the SMP Kernel? You never know. The first hit I read about was a dual PII-266 system. Could be a custom kernel that happened to have that turned on. Worth looking at anyways if it may fix his problem. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 19:41:33 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:41:33 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <1073889648.654.1.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> <1073889648.654.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200401121441.33081.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On January 12, 2004 01:40 am, Ben Konrath wrote: > On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 22:21, Peter King wrote: > > I'm looking to buy two or three inexpensive wireless PCI cards to work > > with Linux. Where are some good places to look for such things? Left to > > my own devices I'd just check out the stores along College between > > Spadina and Bathurst, but I don't have any reason to think that they > > offer the best selection/prices. Recommendations? > > I like to go to www.canadacomputers.com > They seem to have the best selection / prices in the college street > area. In terms of online browsing, I like to check these toronto shops websites: http://www.canadacomputers.com http://www.pcvillagecanada.com http://www.sonnam.ca/parts.asp and, it doesn't hurt to look at http://www.bbf.ca which compares prices across canada. Their database isn't exactly up-to-date though. > I've heard that some people have some complaints about their > service, but I've never had a problem. > > cheers, ben -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 19:47:55 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:47:55 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? Message-ID: <20040112194755.SCVP73768.web01-imail.rogers.com@localhost> Those are indeed good links. Another good link for online price comparisons (or even for shopping if you're out there or don't mind going out there) is www.pccanada.com, they're out in the west end. I personally buy most of my stuff from either Canada Computers or PC Canada. Canada Computer isn't particularly customer service focused. They know they have some of the best prices in town, so don't expect super service from them. Having said that, in my experience they are always willing to answer questions, just can't have any expectations to be waited on there =) PC Canada is a bit better when it comes to customer service (and support) but they're in the middle of nowhere and their prices aren't always quite as good as Canada Computers. -Matt > > From: Fred Nastos > Date: 2004/01/12 Mon PM 02:41:33 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Where to buy... in Toronto? > > On January 12, 2004 01:40 am, Ben Konrath wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 22:21, Peter King wrote: > > > I'm looking to buy two or three inexpensive wireless PCI cards to work > > > with Linux. Where are some good places to look for such things? Left to > > > my own devices I'd just check out the stores along College between > > > Spadina and Bathurst, but I don't have any reason to think that they > > > offer the best selection/prices. Recommendations? > > > > I like to go to www.canadacomputers.com > > They seem to have the best selection / prices in the college street > > area. > > In terms of online browsing, I like to check these toronto shops > websites: > http://www.canadacomputers.com > http://www.pcvillagecanada.com > http://www.sonnam.ca/parts.asp > > and, it doesn't hurt to look at http://www.bbf.ca which compares > prices across canada. Their database isn't exactly up-to-date though. > > > I've heard that some people have some complaints about their > > service, but I've never had a problem. > > > > cheers, ben > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 20:13:55 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:13:55 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <40029030.6500DFAB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112201355.GR7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:16:48AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I foubd the following in VMware help: > > # Note: In some host configurations, the virtual machine is not able to boot > from the installation CD-ROM. You can work around that problem by creating an > ISO image file from the installation CD-ROM. Use the Virtual Machine Control > Panel to connect the virtual machine's CD drive to the ISO image file, then > power on the virtual machine. > > So, I went to Edit > Virtual machine Settings (i.e. Virtual Machine Control > Panel) > [double-clicked the cdrom] > Use ISO image > > mnt/cdrom/win98/setup.exe setup.exe is not an iso image. You have t ouse readcd to read the cd into a .iso file and then ask vmware to use that. > I tried starting the vm again and got, > > 'Missing operating System'. Makes sense since there was no valid cd to boot from. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 20:16:24 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:16:24 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <400288D3.81526E6A-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112201624.GS7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:45:23AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Yes, I play CDs from it, just installed rh7.3 from it... > > The installation starts OK, but then I get the error that there is no > bootable CD or floppy (and both are present). Other times the installation > goes a little further (I even managed an fdisk to create the virtual C: drive > this morning) and I get the 'you need 7340032 bytes available on your C: > drive' (where this 'C: drive is inreality I don't know, but my 1GB / is > only 11% used). How large did you make the vmware disk that you are trying to install win98 on? I would think 500MB would be about the smallest you could get away with. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 20:42:50 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:42:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: community colocation Message-ID: Some time ago I came across these folks: http://www.communitycolo.net They're based in California. Basically they offer co-location by donation and seem to be making a go of it. I wonder if anyone here: a) knows of anyone who is or has been doing this in the GTA; b) knows of anyone or is themselves interested in helping in such an effort if it doesn't already exist; c) has thoughts about the feasibility of doing such a thing? I'd be willing to spearhead an effort to make this go, if there is enough interest from the broader community -- and I don't mean just geeks that want to colo a box, I mean from local community-oriented and/or non-profit groups that would like to have a proper internet presence. - Julian -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 21:27:15 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:27:15 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <4001B4AB.5080500-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <4001B4AB.5080500@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <40031133.7000401@sympatico.ca> Anton Markov wrote: >As far as running Mozilla, it may be that Mozilla can't connect to the >net and so does not start. Try pinging a site like: > ># ping www.yahoo.com > >If it says "network unreachable", you have connection problems. If it >says "host not found", then you may have problems with the DNS settings. > Try adding manual DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf > > it said "host not found"; DNS problems, eh ? Would I get DNS info from Sympatico service and plug into the adsl-setup dialog ? or just the resolve.conf file ? thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 21:36:23 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:36:23 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <20040112201624.GS7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40031357.E6B9AB3F@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: [...] > > goes a little further (I even managed an fdisk to create the virtual C: drive > > this morning) and I get the 'you need 7340032 bytes available on your C: > > drive' (where this 'C: drive is inreality I don't know, but my 1GB / is > > only 11% used). > > How large did you make the vmware disk that you are trying to install > win98 on? I would think 500MB would be about the smallest you could get > away with. I don't remember even configuring that. Virtual Machine Ctrl Panel reports the virtual disk as 'Compact 4.0 GB'. 'Capacity' section has 'Current size: 768 Kb', System Free: 2.5 Gb, Maximum size: 4.0 Gb'. And, yes, those lowercase b's are VMware's - I hope that is just ignorance on their part and they really mean KB and GB. BTW, are my email lines wrapped properly? I don't know how to check that (View > Wrap Long Lines is greyed out while composing messages), but I've p'd some in the past with ignoring that. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 21:41:38 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:41:38 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <40029030.6500DFAB@onlink.net> <20040112201355.GR7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40031492.6513C942@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > [...] > > > So, I went to Edit > Virtual machine Settings (i.e. Virtual Machine Control > > Panel) > [double-clicked the cdrom] > Use ISO image > > > mnt/cdrom/win98/setup.exe > > setup.exe is not an iso image. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 21:47:37 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:47:37 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <200401111542.30491.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <200401111542.30491.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <400315F9.8020109@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On January 11, 2004 03:06 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>suggestions welcomed >> >> > >Presumably the DSL sync light is green on the modem? > > yup! >Restart the adsl connection and look at the logfiles, see which files have >recently change in /var/log and look at them. There should definitely be a >clue in the logs. If you can't figure it out post a portion of the logfile >that you think is relevant. > >You've already suggested knoppix, if you have it, try it. > > I gave my last copy away, so I gotta d/l & burn another. >If it's a password problem then you'll probably see "access denied" or >something obvious, if you do call Sympatico. > > the process didn't get that far. >Here's my recent Sympatico story: > >I spent 3.5 hours talking my mother through setting up her Sympatico >connection (3 hours were because she forgets the alphabet when it's used in >conjunction with setting up anything on a computer). It was obvious from the >logs that her username/password were not working. > >Finally at 00:30 (Saturday morning) I called Sympatico and found out that her >account was "suspended" and that I'd have to call back on Monday. Monday >called my mom called them and found out that "there's nothing wrong with your >account, perhaps your software isn't installed correctly". I told my mom to >reboot and to "try the Internet" and miraculously it was now working. Moral >of the story, DO NOT trust the assholes that call themselves "Sympatico >support". > >Needless to say as soon as my mom's introductory rate with Sympatico is over >I'll be advising her to switch to another ISP. > > > Sad story Fraser, thanks for the continuing help. (I tried for another hour today to ping, kill running pppd processes, edit pppoe.config files and generally swear at the system. My friend looked on with less and less amusement. I have yet to try Knoppix and I did find somethink.pppsomething.tpd in /var/lock but I was too chicken to nuke it. grrrrrrr djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 22:07:35 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:07:35 -0500 Subject: Mozilla -mail, SympaticoPOP, and the mail that wouldn't die Message-ID: <40031AA7.2010806@sympatico.ca> Today I get ghost mail from 11/27/01 02:28 again. I've archived this long ago and killed it a dozen times, already. I've googled, deleted *.msf files, filtered newsgroups for clues and tried various ways to exterminate these "repeat offenders" to no avail. Maybe I'm a mail moron, but could ya spare a clue ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 22:19:25 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:19:25 -0500 Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <00da01c3d8ba$3159ef00$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <00da01c3d8ba$3159ef00$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <40031D6D.2080407@rogers.com> Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of DanG > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? > > Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. Something > that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day limit. Rogers > nntp server is pretty bad. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > I use Rogers NNTP and have never had a problem with it. I usually grab > 7-15GB a day and I find its quite good. > > Sid The only problem I have with it, is sometimes it takes a long time to download or send a message. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From salvi_unix-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 22:24:16 2004 From: salvi_unix-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Sergio Salvi) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:24:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting tomorrow? Message-ID: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there! Is the TLUG meeting confirmed for tomorrow? I've checked on the website but there is still no location/speaker/topic defined. Thanks! Sergio Salvi. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 22:27:37 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:27:37 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <40031357.E6B9AB3F-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40031357.E6B9AB3F@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040112224709.672C0E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> > I don't remember even configuring that. Virtual Machine Ctrl Panel reports > the > virtual disk as 'Compact 4.0 GB'. 'Capacity' section has 'Current size: > 768 Kb', > System Free: 2.5 Gb, Maximum size: 4.0 Gb'. And, yes, those lowercase b's > are > VMware's - I hope that is just ignorance on their part and they really > mean KB and > GB. That's normal. VMWare makes a 'virtual' partition but does not allocate space until it is needed, to save strain on the host filesystem. You are limited to 2.5 GB right now, as that's the point your host system (linux) will run out of space. The partition is reported to the guest OS as 4 Gb so it doesn't get confused with all the resizing. You may want to run fsck against your host filesystem to rule out something silly like a filesystem problem when VMWare is trying to allocate space for the install. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 22:43:48 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:43:48 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <40031133.7000401-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <400084FF.50806@sympatico.ca> <20040110180631.0fdf3f13.joehill@sympatico.ca> <4001ACD8.5070506@sympatico.ca> <4001B4AB.5080500@truxtar.com> <40031133.7000401@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <40032324.7000400@truxtar.com> Hi David, If you can get the DNS info from Sympatico, then just plug that into the resolv.conf file (adsl-setup just updates the same file). You are supposed to get the DNS via the PPPOE connection, but I remember that Sympatico always had problems with it. Here are the DNS settings I have for Sympatico (from the resolve.conf file): # MADE-BY-RP-PPPOE nameserver 198.235.216.134 nameserver 198.235.216.135 If it still doesn't work, try pinging one of these addresses, or any other IP you know, and see what that says. Anton David J Patrick wrote: >> > it said "host not found"; DNS problems, eh ? > Would I get DNS info from Sympatico service and plug into the adsl-setup > dialog ? > or just the resolve.conf file ? > thanks, > djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 23:15:48 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:15:48 -0500 Subject: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <40031D6D.2080407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40031D6D.2080407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040112231403.WYZQ448782.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@pittlandctr8at> Rogers nntp server is fast. I top out my connection at 1.5 Mbps with multiple concurrent connections. That is not the problem, the problem is how fast posts turnover on the server. Certain posts barely last two days. Especially for binaries :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 5:19 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of DanG > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: good Usenet feed service in Toronto? > > Anyone know of a good usenet service in Toronto for just news. > Something that keeps posts for 30 days and has about a 1 GB per day > limit. Rogers nntp server is pretty bad. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > I use Rogers NNTP and have never had a problem with it. I usually grab > 7-15GB a day and I find its quite good. > > Sid The only problem I have with it, is sometimes it takes a long time to download or send a message. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 23:36:17 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:36:17 -0500 Subject: Mozilla -mail, SympaticoPOP, and the mail that wouldn't die In-Reply-To: <40031AA7.2010806-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40031AA7.2010806@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200401121836.17738.fraser@wehave.net> On January 12, 2004 05:07 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > Today I get ghost mail from 11/27/01 02:28 again. > I've archived this long ago and killed it a dozen times, already. > I've googled, deleted *.msf files, filtered newsgroups for clues and > tried various ways to exterminate these "repeat offenders" to no avail. > Maybe I'm a mail moron, but could ya spare a clue ? Print out the mail headers (or at least preserve a copy of the mail). Compare those headers with headers from future copies of the mail ... if the headers differ then the problem is not likely you. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 23:40:00 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:40:00 -0500 Subject: sympatico DSL connection and Mandrake 9.2 In-Reply-To: <40031133.7000401-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40008250.5070704@sympatico.ca> <4001B4AB.5080500@truxtar.com> <40031133.7000401@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200401121840.00562.fraser@wehave.net> On January 12, 2004 04:27 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > >If it says "network unreachable", you have connection problems. If it > >says "host not found", then you may have problems with the DNS settings. > > Try adding manual DNS entries to /etc/resolv.conf > > it said "host not found"; DNS problems, eh ? "host not found" is a dns problem but the cause may have nothing to do with dns. Do you have an ip address on a ppp device? Run ifconfig .... What did the logs say? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 23:56:24 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:56:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <20040112235624.93431.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom right of the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use "yum update" instead? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 00:17:24 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:17:24 -0500 Subject: community colocation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40033914.60106@rogers.com> > b) knows of anyone or is themselves interested in helping in such > an effort if it doesn't already exist; Curse Julian and his cross posting ;) Seriously though, I only approached the idea in passing and relegated it to the back burner 'cos I thought no one would be crazy enough to try it. I'd love to help out, with due consideration given to priorities of course. The crazy ideas tend to be the most interesting ones! -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 01:10:29 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:10:29 -0700 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <40031357.E6B9AB3F-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400098C0.16603D70@onlink.net> <20040111162616.GP7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400288D3.81526E6A@onlink.net> <20040112201624.GS7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40031357.E6B9AB3F@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040113011029.GA44681@idiom.novusordo.net> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 04:36:23PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > System Free: 2.5 Gb, Maximum size: 4.0 Gb'. And, yes, those lowercase b's are > VMware's - I hope that is just ignorance on their part and they really mean KB and > GB. If you're going to be picky, that's kB and GB. Capital K is for degrees kelvin, named after a man named Kelvin. (yes, "K" and "kelvin" and "kB") ;) -- taa As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life - so I became a scientist. This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls. -Matt Cartmill, anthropology professor and author (1943- ) /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 03:13:11 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:13:11 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <20040112224709.672C0E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <40036247.1C74DF91@onlink.net> Gregory Pleau wrote: > [...] > That's normal. VMWare makes a 'virtual' partition but does not allocate > space until it is needed, to save strain on the host filesystem. You are > limited to 2.5 GB right now, as that's the point your host system (linux) > will run out of space. The partition is reported to the guest OS as 4 Gb so > it doesn't get confused with all the resizing. > > You may want to run fsck against your host filesystem to rule out something > silly like a filesystem problem when VMWare is trying to allocate space for > the install. OK. To recap - here is what is happening: At the A> prompt I enter E:\win98\setup Then I get, 'To continue press Enter' I press Enter The mini Scandisk runs and then I get, 'Windows Setup needs 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive' Or, occaisionally, I get, The cpu has been disabled by the guest operating system. You will need to power off or reset the vm at this point. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 03:27:31 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:27:31 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <40036247.1C74DF91-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40036247.1C74DF91@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040113034734.16931FBD7D@gollum.gregorypleau.com> > > OK. To recap - here is what is happening: > > At the A> prompt I enter E:\win98\setup > > Then I get, > > 'To continue press Enter' > > I press Enter > > The mini Scandisk runs and then I get, > > 'Windows Setup needs 7340032 bytes available on your C: > drive' > I've hit this problem before without VMWare in the works. Easiest method to get by this is to get an MS DOS disk with fdisk and format on it. Fdisk the (virtual) drive - allocate your 4 GB then format it. Note you'll be locked to 2GB if you use an older Windows disk (fat16 limits). Windows has a stupid setup routine that wants to write temporary files to the hard disk before you get the chance to format / fdisk it. This does rule out the 'boot-from-windows-cd' method, but it may get you to where you are functional. > Or, occaisionally, I get, > > The cpu has been disabled by the guest operating system. You will need to > power > off or reset the vm at this point. Normal if the machine is 'powered off' virtually or it hangs. Hope this helps, Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 04:04:35 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:04:35 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources -- a solution and a rant In-Reply-To: References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> <400218F0.90008@qef.com> Message-ID: <40036E53.9090209@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > David Tilbrook writes: > > >>Tim Writer wrote: >> >> >>>>I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). >>> >>>No, I can understand why. >> >>>>The xrdb -q does show the proper settings so I assume that nothing >>>>is changing them. >>> >>>I just tried setting the pointer colour on my laptop (Debian woody with >> >>>XFree86 4.3.0 and xterm 4.3.0) and it doesn't work. I also tried setting it >>>in a running xterm using editres which also doesn't work. It does work >>>though on my desktop (Debian woody with XFree86 4.1.0 and xterm 4.1.0) so it >>>appears to be a bug in recent xterm. >>> >> >> >>Sigh ... So do you know a source of the xterm source? > > > You can find it here: > > http://dickey.his.com/xterm/ > > Unfortunately, this one has the bug too but maybe you can drop him an e-mail > as he seems to be the current maintainer. > > Good luck! > Thanks Tim. Dickey pointed me to two web pages: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/RELNOTES2.html#5 and http://www.cs.umn.edu/help/linux/xcursor.html The latter gave clues and after some trials I came up with the solution which is to add: Xcursor.core: true to my .Xresources file. Now why didn't I think of that? Rant on { It's bull**** like this that will continue to plague linux. All it took was four or five letters to a mailing list of a large group of linux experts####### fans, a letter to the software's maintainer, perusing the xterm source, consulting a bunch of web pages, and some experimentation to get something working again after making the mistake of upgrading. I guess my 16 years of using X10 and X11 just isn't enough. Any attempt to grep the man pages is of course impossible as they are all gzipped because some bright light thought that this was a good idea. and in exploring the wonderful world of linux man pages I discovered the following little gem: /usr/share/man/man1/cancel.1.gz is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/print-cancelman which is symlinked to /usr/share/man/man1/cancel-cups.1.gz which is symlinked to /usr/share/man/man1/lp.1.gz which is symlinked to /etc/alternatives/print-lpman which is symlinked to /usr/share/man/man1/lp-cups.1.gz symlinks ... the goto of the file system world. Yes symlinks solve some problems, but what's this /etc/alternatives nonsense? Rant off } Now, where was I? -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 04:49:01 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:49:01 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? Message-ID: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Inspired by David Tilbrook's comments on linux, I ask you to consider the following: Amazingly, although 'ls' appears to have a zillion options, such as the somewhat obscure: -b, --escape print octal escapes for nongraphic characters there appears to be no way to do a directory list of *only* the subdirectories. My hopes were raised by ls -d: -d, --directory list directory entries instead of contents Alas, it's behaviour is illustrated by the following dialogue: ----------------------------------- [phiscock-YIGruI5hBFo at public.gmane.org visual-vocab]$ ls -d . ----------------------------------- In other words, this tells you that you are in the current directory! Wow. When you have a directory full of files (there are over 300 of them in the project directory I'm working on) and you can't colourize entries because you're on a monochrome dial-in terminal, identifying the subdirectories is really difficult. (And since monochrome terminals were the norm back in the Dawn of Unix, you'd think this option would have have been added.) Any suggestions from the Great Collective Mind for a nice alias or workaround to obtain this function? Thanks - Peter P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more to it that meets the eye. P. -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 04:53:59 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:53:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040112234901.D17012-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > there appears to be no way to do a directory list of *only* the > subdirectories. Unfortunately true, short of "ls -l | egrep '^d'". > When you have a directory full of files (there are over 300 of them in the > project directory I'm working on) and you can't colourize entries > because you're on a monochrome dial-in terminal, identifying the > subdirectories is really difficult. (And since monochrome terminals were the > norm back in the Dawn of Unix, you'd think this option would have have been > added.) Try "ls -F", which puts slashes at the ends of the directory names. > P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more > to it that meets the eye. If you know the name of a directory and want to know its permissions -- the permissions on the *directory*, not on the files within it -- you use "ls -ld foo". There are several analogous uses; the point of -d is to suppress the sometimes-overhelpful automatic expansion of directories. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 05:00:11 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:00:11 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <20040112222416.36129.qmail-8FGBvxCiHOuA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> Sergio Salvi wrote: > Hi there! > > Is the TLUG meeting confirmed for tomorrow? I've checked on the > website but there is still no location/speaker/topic defined. > > Thanks! > Sergio Salvi. Hi Sergio! Exact meeting location is STILL undetermined, but there WILL be a meeting. If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a UofT meeting room, in the next fifteen minutes, we will convene at 7:30 at the UofT campus pub .. and I can't remember its name ! I believe it's at the west end of Bancroft St, near the north-east quadrent of the spadina circle. any else have reasonable directions and/or a name ?? I DO hope to see you there. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 05:39:04 2004 From: kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Kristofer Coward) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:39:04 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20040113053903.GQ16763@melon.org> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:53:59PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > there appears to be no way to do a directory list of *only* the > > subdirectories. > > Unfortunately true, short of "ls -l | egrep '^d'". If you're going to bring other tools into it, I think find can also prove useful for this sort of thing (in several ways even) -- Kristofer Coward http://unripe.melon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 2BF3 957D 310A FEEC 4733 830E 21A4 05C7 1FEB 12B3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 06:08:36 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:08:36 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040112234901.D17012-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <40038B64.9020701@qef.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Inspired by David Tilbrook's comments on linux, I ask you to consider the > following: > > Amazingly, although 'ls' appears to have a zillion options, such as the > somewhat obscure: > > -b, --escape > print octal escapes for nongraphic characters > > there appears to be no way to do a directory list of *only* the > subdirectories. > > My hopes were raised by ls -d: > > -d, --directory > list directory entries instead of contents > > Alas, it's behaviour is illustrated by the following dialogue: What about: find . -type d | sed -e 's,^\./,,' -e '/\//d' or ls -l | awk '/^d/ {print $9}' or for X in * ; do (cd $X >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo $X) done or ... but I seem to be slipping into the egregious use of UNIX contest -- see http://www.qef.com/html/docs/egregious.pdf (Henry was one of the other judges). But this is something I do so often I have many tools such as: l -d rls -d # list all subdirectories ls | fexists -d # fexists limits output to inputs # that are directories > ----------------------------------- > [phiscock-YIGruI5hBFo at public.gmane.org visual-vocab]$ ls -d > . > ----------------------------------- > > P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more > to it that meets the eye. > > P. This is something I'm doing constantly. F.Y.I., the l, rls, and fexists named above all date back to the 70s. -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 06:09:09 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:09:09 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040112234901.D17012-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <20040113060909.GA539@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:49:01PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more > to it that meets the eye. ls */ -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 06:23:52 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:23:52 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <40037B5B.6000606-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1073975031.20571.74.camel@rincewind.discworld> On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 00:00, David J Patrick wrote: > Hi Sergio! > Exact meeting location is STILL undetermined, but there WILL be a > meeting. > If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a UofT meeting room, > in the next fifteen minutes, we will convene at > 7:30 > at the UofT campus pub .. and I can't remember its name ! > I believe it's at the west end of Bancroft St, near the north-east > quadrent of the spadina circle. > any else have reasonable directions and/or a name ?? > I DO hope to see you there. There are many such pubs...U of T has engineers, remember? The particular one in question, if I'm not mistaken, is Sylvester's Cafe which is run by the GSU. Details such as menu and location can be found here: http://www.gsu.utoronto.ca/pubcafe.html Regards, -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 11:43:34 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:43:34 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <20040113034734.16931FBD7D@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <4003D9E6.43385039@onlink.net> Gregory Pleau wrote: > > > > OK. To recap - here is what is happening: > > > > At the A> prompt I enter E:\win98\setup > > > > Then I get, > > > > 'To continue press Enter' > > > > I press Enter > > > > The mini Scandisk runs and then I get, > > > > 'Windows Setup needs 7340032 bytes available on your C: > > drive' > > > > I've hit this problem before without VMWare in the works. Easiest method to > get by this is to get an MS DOS disk with fdisk and format on it. > > Fdisk the (virtual) drive - allocate your 4 GB then format it. Note you'll > be locked to 2GB if you use an older Windows disk (fat16 limits). Windows > has a stupid setup routine that wants to write temporary files to the hard > disk before you get the chance to format / fdisk it. Oh, man! And you know, I tried to format yesterday, but always at the wrong point? I tried formatting after fdisking, but before the reboot (which windows won't accept). On another attempt I did the fdisk and figured Windows Setup would do the format when it gives the option to 'format unallocated space' (or somesuch) - no good there either. So, this morning, at your reminder, I started the vm, did fdisk at the a> prompt, copied format from C: to the floppy (really an iso), rebootted the vm, formatted C:, then typed E:\win98\setup at the a> prompt and I was off to the races! Thanks. I keep forgetting to remember to forget the host OS (linux) - think WIndows, Windows, Windows. You should see how slow Windows runs - the Welcome to Windows 98 screen painted itself on the screen slower thean Tom Sawyer whitewashing the fence. I'll just bet this ain't gonna run Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software with enough speed to overcome latency (subsequent sound tracks not synced with previous sound tracks). If throwing more RAM at it will help, I'll do that. Chris P.S. After Windows Setup finished, and asked for the reboot, Setup tried to run again. I remembered that the floppy still points to the iso I created from the Windows 98 Startup Disk. So, I removed the pointer from the floppy to the iso in VM Ctrl Panel and all is well. Are the lines properly wrapped in this email? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 13:19:12 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:19:12 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm In-Reply-To: <4003D9E6.43385039-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4003D9E6.43385039@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040113133921.68B91FBD7D@gollum.gregorypleau.com> > You should see how slow Windows runs - the Welcome to Windows 98 screen > painted itself on the screen slower thean Tom Sawyer whitewashing the > fence. > I'll just bet this ain't gonna run Pro Tools Free multitrack recording > software with enough speed to overcome latency (subsequent sound tracks > not > synced with previous sound tracks). If throwing more RAM at it will help, > I'll > do that. > Turn off the RTC device after you start the VM for a speed boost. Also disconnect to floppy / cdrom devices when you're not using them (virtual ones that is). More RAM is very good for VMWare. Remember not to starve the host OS or both will run slow. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tiliescu-ZdyLq7YhDA8hunQcOVOuvCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 13:42:25 2004 From: tiliescu-ZdyLq7YhDA8hunQcOVOuvCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Teodor Iliescu) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:42:25 -0500 Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <40e9574a.574a40e9@learn.senecac.on.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mel Seder Date: Monday, January 12, 2004 6:56 pm Subject: [TLUG]: up2date using Fedora Core 1 > Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom > right of > the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use "yum > update" instead? > > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) I was attempting to update my Fedora Core 1 system, although both through the GUI, and command line didn't work. Perhaps they are having some problems at their end(up2date servers). Anybody having similar problems? "Unix is simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity." - Dennis Ritchie Teodor I. http://penguincomputing.iwarp.com GPG key fingerprint : 9AC8 A05C 78AD AD73 91DB CBE4 B644 F402 FBFD 5927 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:04:53 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Jan 2004 09:04:53 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources -- a solution and a rant In-Reply-To: <40036E53.9090209-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> <400218F0.90008@qef.com> <40036E53.9090209@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > Dickey pointed me to two web pages: > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/RELNOTES2.html#5 > and > http://www.cs.umn.edu/help/linux/xcursor.html > > The latter gave clues and after some trials I came up > with the solution which is to add: > > Xcursor.core: true > > to my .Xresources file. Thanks for tracking this down. It's been bugging me for a while that my xterm pointer is a semi-transparent version of its old self. It's not too bad on my CRT but on my laptop LCD it's almost invisible and I often lose it. The only problem with this solution is that modifying the Xcursor resources modifies the cursors for all applications. Themes are fine but it seems to me I should be able to override them for specific applications. I checked the xterm docs and (short of recompilong w/o Xcursor support) there doesn't seem to be any way to use traditional cursors only in xterm. > Now why didn't I think of that? > > Rant on { > It's bull**** like this that will continue to plague linux. > > All it took was four or five letters to a mailing list of a large > group of linux experts####### fans, a letter to the software's > maintainer, perusing the xterm source, consulting a bunch of web pages, > and some experimentation to get something working again after > making the mistake of upgrading. I guess my 16 years of using > X10 and X11 just isn't enough. Don't get me started. Why are their so many terminal applications? None of them (including gnome-terminal and konsole) work very well compared with xterm. They look pretty but their terminal emulation sucks and they're resource pigs. And I can get all the fancy multi-screen features (and more) by running screen inside xterm (which I routinely do). Speaking of resources, why have KDE and GNOME foresaken X resources for config files (KDE) and the gconf abomination (GNOME)? In the "old days" (i.e. before KDE and GNOME), you could configure your applications via X resources which were then loaded into the resource property of your display. This was a nice design because it meant, in a networked environment, that your applications all looked the same regardless of which system they were running on. Now, with KDE and GNOME, you have to configure your applications on every system. A shared home directory used to be the solution to this problem but that's not realistic in todays mobile environment and, unless you're running the exact same version of a given application on every machine with a shared config, bad things tend to happen. It seems to me that in the mad rush to "compete with" Windows, we're copying many of its mistakes. Like I said, don't get me started. > Rant off } > > Now, where was I? > > -- dt -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:07:28 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Jan 2004 09:07:28 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040113060909.GA539-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> <20040113060909.GA539@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:49:01PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more > > to it that meets the eye. > > ls */ Or in zsh: ls -d *(/) -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:13:36 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:13:36 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040113060909.GA539-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org>; from opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:09:09AM -0500 References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> <20040113060909.GA539@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040113091336.A18867@ee.ryerson.ca> William - (Presumably you mean ls -d */). This is great - it works a treat and is really easy to remember to boot. Thanks a bunch. Ah, the Great Collective Mind comes through again in the crunch... Peter On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:09:09AM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 11:49:01PM -0500, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > P.S. I'm also curious why ls -d would be useful. Presumably, there is more > > to it that meets the eye. > > ls */ > > -- > William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, > Linux solution for data management and processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:46:08 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:46:08 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <20040113133921.68B91FBD7D@gollum.gregorypleau.com> Message-ID: <400404B0.4921A01E@onlink.net> Gregory Pleau wrote: [...] > Turn off the RTC device after you start the VM for a speed boost. I don't see a Real TIme Clock Device in VM Ctrl Panel. > > Also disconnect to floppy / cdrom devices when you're not using them > (virtual ones that is). More RAM is very good for VMWare. I'll probably ante up for more RAM. > Remember not to > starve the host OS or both will run slow. OK. Thanks, Chris > > > - Greg [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:50:06 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:06 -0500 Subject: linux VMware w W98 SE in vm References: <20040112224709.672C0E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <4004059E.8164A6EB@onlink.net> Gregory Pleau wrote: [...] > > That's normal. VMWare makes a 'virtual' partition but does not allocate > space until it is needed, to save strain on the host filesystem. You are > limited to 2.5 GB right now, as that's the point your host system (linux) > will run out of space. The partition is reported to the guest OS as 4 Gb so > it doesn't get confused with all the resizing. VMware must be clever at finding space. I don't just have one partition. I have several - and / is only 1GB. It would be interesting to know how VMware grabs its space. Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 14:51:56 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:51:56 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <1073975031.20571.74.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> <1073975031.20571.74.camel@rincewind.discworld> Message-ID: <4004060C.5060603@sympatico.ca> Marcus Brubaker wrote: >On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 00:00, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>Hi Sergio! >> Exact meeting location is STILL undetermined, but there WILL be a >>meeting. >>If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a UofT meeting room, >>in the next fifteen minutes, we will convene at >>7:30 >>at the UofT campus pub .. and I can't remember its name ! >>I believe it's at the west end of Bancroft St, near the north-east >>quadrent of the spadina circle. >>any else have reasonable directions and/or a name ?? >>I DO hope to see you there. >> >> > >There are many such pubs...U of T has engineers, remember? The >particular one in question, if I'm not mistaken, is Sylvester's Cafe >which is run by the GSU. Details such as menu and location can be found >here: http://www.gsu.utoronto.ca/pubcafe.html > >Regards, > > That's the one ! see you there ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:06:59 2004 From: mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:06:59 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <200401121441.33081.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> <1073889648.654.1.camel@localhost> <200401121441.33081.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <40040993.5040208@idirect.com> Fred Nastos wrote: > On January 12, 2004 01:40 am, Ben Konrath wrote: > In terms of online browsing, I like to check these toronto shops > websites: > http://www.canadacomputers.com > http://www.pcvillagecanada.com > http://www.sonnam.ca/parts.asp > > and, it doesn't hurt to look at http://www.bbf.ca which compares > prices across canada. Their database isn't exactly up-to-date though. Check the kings of scum: http://www.factorydirect.ca Excellent website. I'm pretty sure it plugs into their inventory and POS system. Call ahead if the inventory count on an item is low, it could be missing or damaged stock. Typical scummy policies, they have them posted though. Research what you buy carefully. There's a reason most of the stuff is cheap. If you can't figure out why, then don't buy it -- you won't be able to return it later. Oh and did I mention the rude service? I love to hate these guys. I've bought lots of stuff through them. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:12:26 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:12:26 -0500 Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <40e9574a.574a40e9-ZdyLq7YhDA8hunQcOVOuvCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40e9574a.574a40e9@learn.senecac.on.ca> Message-ID: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92@gateway.vipond.ca> > > Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom > > right of > > the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use "yum > > update" instead? > > > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > I was attempting to update my Fedora Core 1 system, although both > through the GUI, and command line didn't work. Perhaps they are having > some problems at their end(up2date servers). > > Anybody having similar problems? > Scads of problems. Timeouts, GPG signature NOT being added to the keyring even though I run " rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY ". I finally just up and switched to yum. Especially when I found the freshrpms.net yum repository and can get my mp3/dvd support back when I do something silly like update xmms. Heck nice upgrade trick - Run up2date on your Redhat 7,8,9 system and bring it up to current. Get fedora-release-1-3.rpm from ftp.redhat.com, rpm -Uvh fedora-release-1-3.rpm yum -y update Wait a while and you get a nice upgrade to Fedora Core, without having to shut the system down or download ISOs. Sometimes there might be about a dozen dependencies but works great for remote upgrades. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:23:23 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: 13 Jan 2004 10:23:23 -0500 Subject: Losing nameservers In-Reply-To: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <1074007403.3935.40.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm having a problem with losing access to my nameserver every so often. I have an office LAN, with a DSL connection running through an Airport, which does NAT. This setup works fine when I boot my workstation, except that every so often, I seem to lose access to the nameservers at which point the only solution I've found is to reboot. Two interesting points - this only happens on my workstation, which runs KRUD 9 and not on any of the other boxes we have hooked up, a Powerbook and a couple of test machines running Windows and FedoraC1 linux. They keep on keeping on. - I can still access sites that I accessed when name resolution was working, so probably they're still cached, but when I try to go to a new site it hangs. So, I'm wondering what I should be looking for in the logs or what tools I could use to get a handle on what's going on here next time it happens, Any help would be appreciated. Rob -- Cheapersafer Computer Support We Help - http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:27:48 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:27:48 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: <1073868133.5376.9.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1073868133.5376.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Hi Gil, I copied in the first few lines of the script below. They don't look too unusual as far as I can tell. Thanks very much for your help. Alex # version 8.0.0 20dec2002 cmd="$0" ClrScrn() { echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " echo " " } > What is the first (or first few) lines of the script? > > Gil > > On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 19:27, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > > > Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although > > the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. > > > > Alex > > > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Paul Mora wrote: > > > > > Hi Alex. > > > > > > I'm not familiar with Debian per se, but it could be that the CD-ROM is > > > mounted with the "noexec" option, which disables the execution of > > > programs directly from it. I've seen this as default in other distros. > > > Check your /etc/fstab, look for the line that corresponds to your > > > CD-ROM, and see if there's a "noexec" option there. If so, remove it, > > > and the remount the CD with "mount -o remount /cdrom". > > > > > > You can also get around it by just running "bash /cdrom/install" if the > > > program is a shell script. > > > > > > pm > > > > > > -- > > > Paul Mora > > > > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > ------------ > > Alex Maynard > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Economics > > University of Toronto > > 150 St. George St., N304 > > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > > Canada > > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:29:33 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:29:33 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: <4001F151.80900-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4001F151.80900@truxtar.com> Message-ID: Is it a good idea to add something like "exec" into the /etc/fstab? Are there many viruses spread by cdrom? Alex On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I believe "noexec" is the default for removable drives. I think it's > designed to prevent execution of viruses. I constantly get errors about > it not being a recognized option for samba mounts. > > Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > > > Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although > > the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. > > > > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAAfFbRreNkzrRRLQRAgXPAJ9D7GpHmaw4A7zGh9oyuXdfRhed4QCdG984 > 61blkMbIT6nX/NcXa5p072A= > =iU6P > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:41:16 2004 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:41:16 -0500 Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org>; from gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:12:26AM -0500 References: <40e9574a.574a40e9@learn.senecac.on.ca> <20040113153156.538E6E7C92@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <20040113104116.M19596@leftmind.net> Gregory Pleau wrote: > Scads of problems. Timeouts, GPG signature NOT being added to the keyring > even though I run " rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY ". Try "gpg --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY". HTH. HAND. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mikehill-yqNZbDEBI9QAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:48:46 2004 From: mikehill-yqNZbDEBI9QAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Hill) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:48:46 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG meeting. In-Reply-To: <20040113154353.C3B40D23-ccvjzJVizCz5OPYHOmv4JA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113154353.C3B40D23@pentagon.ss.org> Message-ID: <1074008926.12454.6.camel@dilbert.hgeng.com> On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 10:43, Drew Sullivan wrote: > We can meet just outside last months meeting location and if we can't > find a room we will take it to the GRAD pub. What if we were to chip in and buy Drew a subscription to the TLUG list? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 15:51:44 2004 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:51:44 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resources In-Reply-To: <4001BF93.1000305-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org>; from dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org on Sun, Jan 11, 2004 at 04:26:43PM -0500 References: <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040113105144.N19596@leftmind.net> David Tilbrook wrote: > I'm using fvwm2 and avoid gnome and kde if I can (call me a ludite). Not likely, especially since I'd be in a glass house if I did. There are times I'm tempted to go back to the original fvwm, though, since v2 broke SloppyFocus in some manner I haven't been able to disembug. -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 16:16:13 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <40037B5B.6000606-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a UofT meeting room, I've called Drew & left a message for him to call me. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 16:23:08 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:23:08 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: References: <20040112222416.36129.qmail@web21510.mail.yahoo.com> <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <40041B6C.5080906@sympatico.ca> Robert Brockway wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a UofT meeting room, >> >> > >I've called Drew & left a message for him to call me. > >Rob > > > to the pub then, to the puuuuuubbbbbbbb ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 16:26:11 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:26:11 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG meeting. In-Reply-To: <1074008926.12454.6.camel-hSSUUFrJ1eHKo1lsMQEj1AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113154353.C3B40D23@pentagon.ss.org> <1074008926.12454.6.camel@dilbert.hgeng.com> Message-ID: <40041C23.6030701@sympatico.ca> Michael Hill wrote: >On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 10:43, Drew Sullivan wrote: > > > >>We can meet just outside last months meeting location and if we can't >>find a room we will take it to the GRAD pub. >> >> > >What if we were to chip in and buy Drew a subscription to the TLUG list? > > > Tell ya what, if he's shows tonight (and I hope he will) we'll 'splain 'em how it works. ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 16:30:27 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:30:27 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG meeting at the GSU pub In-Reply-To: <20040113154353.C3B40D23-ccvjzJVizCz5OPYHOmv4JA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113154353.C3B40D23@pentagon.ss.org> Message-ID: <40041D23.3090406@sympatico.ca> Drew Sullivan wrote: >At this time there is no room that has been given to the TLUG user group. >This situation happen all too often, and I don't know how to fix it. >So tonights discussion will be on finding a better room management system. > >We can meet just outside last months meeting location and if we can't >find a room we will take it to the GRAD pub. > > I'm the speaker and we're goin' straight to the pub then ! >Bleck. > >Date: Dec 9, 2003 > > ? >Time: 7:30pm >Location: Galbraith Building, U of T >Room: outside GB244 > > the GSU pub ! http://www.gsu.utoronto.ca/pubcafe.html >Speaker: Drew Sullivan > > David Patrick >Topic: New Room Management. > > Caffe Bickford; Toronto's first Open Source internet caffe. OK ? First round's on me ! Thanks Drew, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 16:32:04 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Jan 2004 11:32:04 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex Maynard writes: > Is it a good idea to add something like "exec" into the /etc/fstab? Are > there many viruses spread by cdrom? That depends. If you use the user option with your cdrom in /etc/fstab then _any_ user of the system can mount a cdrom. If you trust all your users, (e.g. if this is your home system), adding exec is safe. Otherwise, it's another potential avenue of attack. Of course, noexec doesn't buy you much additional security as most users will have access to a file system (like /home) where they can execute binaries. So, it's simple enough to copy a program from the CD to their home. > On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I believe "noexec" is the default for removable drives. I think it's > > designed to prevent execution of viruses. I constantly get errors about > > it not being a recognized option for samba mounts. > > > > Alex Maynard wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > Thank you. Your suggestion below "bash /cdrom/install" worked, although > > > the strange thing is I didn't find "noexec" in /etc/fstab. > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFAAfFbRreNkzrRRLQRAgXPAJ9D7GpHmaw4A7zGh9oyuXdfRhed4QCdG984 > > 61blkMbIT6nX/NcXa5p072A= > > =iU6P > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 17:31:36 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:31:36 -0500 Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401131231.36313.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 13 January 2004 11:32, Tim Writer wrote: > Alex Maynard writes: > > Is it a good idea to add something like "exec" into the /etc/fstab? Are > > there many viruses spread by cdrom? > > That depends. If you use the user option with your cdrom in /etc/fstab > then _any_ user of the system can mount a cdrom. If you trust all your > users, (e.g. if this is your home system), adding exec is safe. Otherwise, > it's another potential avenue of attack. Of course, noexec doesn't buy you > much additional security as most users will have access to a file system > (like /home) where they can execute binaries. So, it's simple enough to > copy a program from the CD to their home. One place where I think noexec is useful is /tmp. Unless you chroot a daemon it can write to /tmp ... making /tmp nosuid and noexec makes life a little harder for people to write exploits/worms like slapper. I'm getting more and more paranoid by the day. Last night someone scanned my server and tried 60 ftp logins in about 50 seconds (several per second) obviously using a list of predefined usernames and an automated procedure to connect. I mount /usr rw and /tmp as noexec,nosuid on all of my Debian systems (desktops and servers). You have to remount /tmp with the exec option and /usr rw (obviously) for package upgrades but I have not found any problem with those settings in normal operation. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 17:50:49 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <20040112235624.93431.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112235624.93431.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040113175049.87455.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mel Seder wrote: > Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom right > of > the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use "yum > update" instead? > Yes, yum does work I'veveeen using it for a few weeks now. I liked clicking the red "!" in the system tray to get the process in motion. Maybe these issues will be addressed in the next "Fedora core". I also have enabled "Nightly yum updates" with the following clicks, Red Hat Icon | server settings | services |yum. I'veveeen running yum live @ the keyboard before I go to bed so I don't know if the yum service indeed updates my system automatically. ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 12 18:59:19 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:59:19 +0200 (IST) Subject: What is this? [vhzsnkt-mrv/37v+JpBBamCe3Sc20SyVzS2IbrJ0VnStl5C4Fgw@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <20040111024151.C042C3FE2-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040110154351.A27394@ee.ryerson.ca> <20040111024151.C042C3FE2@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > You are getting spam that is designed to defeat bayesian filters. The > > spam sowftware is misconfigured so the actual payload (a web link) > > does not make it. I am getting dozens of these per week. Don't bother > > with them. > > Unfortunately, for them, this approach _doesn't_ defeat a properly > implemented Naive Bayesian filter. The randomly chosen set of words > won't look like your corpus of "good email." In my limited experience it defeats it ok. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 18:32:28 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:32:28 -0500 Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113153156.538E6E7C92@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <200401131332.28370.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On January 13, 2004 10:12 am, Gregory Pleau wrote: > > > Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom > > > right of > > > the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use "yum > > > update" instead? > > > > I was attempting to update my Fedora Core 1 system, although both > > through the GUI, and command line didn't work. Perhaps they are having > > some problems at their end(up2date servers). > > > > Anybody having similar problems? > > Scads of problems. Timeouts, GPG signature NOT being added to the keyring > even though I run " rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY ". I finally > just up and switched to yum. Especially when I found the freshrpms.net yum > repository and can get my mp3/dvd support back when I do something silly > like update xmms. These errors are occuring because the main server is being overrun. I, and almost everyone else it seems, was having the same problem. If you still want to use up2date, you just need to set up rpm to access a mirror (you can get the list from http://fedora.redhat.com. Change your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file. Here is mine (without the comments), which includes the duke.edu mirror: ######### begin yum duke http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os yum duke-updates http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386/ yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 yum updates-released http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 yum livna http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable ######### end See the fedora-users mailing list for more info. > Heck nice upgrade trick - > > Run up2date on your Redhat 7,8,9 system and bring it up to current. > Get fedora-release-1-3.rpm from ftp.redhat.com, > rpm -Uvh fedora-release-1-3.rpm > yum -y update Very pretty. I will definitely try it. Fred > Wait a while and you get a nice upgrade to Fedora Core, without having to > shut the system down or download ISOs. Sometimes there might be about a > dozen dependencies but works great for remote upgrades. > > - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cybervoyager-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 18:40:57 2004 From: cybervoyager-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (cybervoyager) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:40:57 -0500 Subject: TLUG meeting at the GSU pub & Caffe Bickford Tonight References: <20040113154353.C3B40D23@pentagon.ss.org> <40041D23.3090406@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <008c01c3da04$c8c7af80$a2ad9d18@alpha> On January 9th, David Patrick anounced a meeting at his cyber caffe on this mailing list, that would take place tonight, January 13th, at 7:30 p.m. - he stated in that email: The members of TLUG have graciously offered to let me bring this project in and make it the focus of this month's meeting. This will be a very good thing for the linux community; with a place to see it, get it, and test out new advances. For the vast majority, it will be the first sighting of a third OS. This is something that I can _only_ do with the support of Toronto's linux community (you) as I am a big dreamer, but not a systems administrator. I have set up a YahooGroup, and invite anyone interested to join in. (so far, that's only Adam, and he's not exactly active) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/caffebickford I take it this is nothing to do with the TLUG meeting at the U of T that takes place every month. Just wanted to clarify that, as there was a bit of confusion in my mind about the difference between the two meetings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Original Message ----- From: "David J Patrick" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: [TLUG]: Re: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG meeting at the GSU pub > Drew Sullivan wrote: > > >At this time there is no room that has been given to the TLUG user group. > >This situation happen all too often, and I don't know how to fix it. > >So tonights discussion will be on finding a better room management system. > > > >We can meet just outside last months meeting location and if we can't > >find a room we will take it to the GRAD pub. > > > > > I'm the speaker and we're goin' straight to the pub then ! > > >Bleck. > > > >Date: Dec 9, 2003 > > > > > ? > > >Time: 7:30pm > >Location: Galbraith Building, U of T > >Room: outside GB244 > > > > > the GSU pub ! > http://www.gsu.utoronto.ca/pubcafe.html > > >Speaker: Drew Sullivan > > > > > David Patrick > > >Topic: New Room Management. > > > > > Caffe Bickford; Toronto's first Open Source internet caffe. > OK ? > First round's on me ! > Thanks Drew, > djp > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 19:05:32 2004 From: robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Robert McDonald) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:05:32 -0500 Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? References: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> <1073889648.654.1.camel@localhost> <200401121441.33081.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <40040993.5040208@idirect.com> Message-ID: <002301c3da08$3b732020$0b01a8c0@win98p4> I buy a lot of stuff from the warehouse in Woodbridge, Call and ask for "suki" tell him you want dealer price and if u have a company you get another 10 or 15% off their website prices.. ( they do offer a 30 day warrantee on most repacks and more on other stuff ) factorydirect.ca WOODBRIDGE 151A Jevlan Dr., ON L4L 8A8 Phone: (905) 856-0151 If you have a business tell "Suki" Robert McDonald referred you and you should get a better deal ( I hope ) Robert M > > http://www.factorydirect.ca > > Excellent website. I'm pretty sure it plugs into their inventory and > POS system. Call ahead if the inventory count on an item is low, it > could be missing or damaged stock. Typical scummy policies, they have > them posted though. Research what you buy carefully. There's a reason > most of the stuff is cheap. If you can't figure out why, then don't buy > it -- you won't be able to return it later. Oh and did I mention the > rude service? > > I love to hate these guys. I've bought lots of stuff through them. > > -Mike > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 19:37:22 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:37:22 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resource In-Reply-To: References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> <400218F0.90008@qef.com> <40036E53.9090209@qef.com> Message-ID: <400448F2.4060309@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > >... And I > can get all the fancy multi-screen features (and more) by running screen > inside xterm (which I routinely do). > I know that xterm can support multi-screen features as I have qed commands to do so, but I presume that you have some other ways of using them. How? Pointers please. Or do you know the Xterm Control Sequence list by heart and just type the ^[[... sequences as the mood strikes? -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From salvi_unix-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 20:02:08 2004 From: salvi_unix-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Sergio Salvi) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Meeting tomorrow? In-Reply-To: <40037B5B.6000606-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40037B5B.6000606@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040113200208.86882.qmail@web21501.mail.yahoo.com> --- David J Patrick wrote: > Sergio Salvi wrote: > > > Hi there! > > > > Is the TLUG meeting confirmed for tomorrow? I've > checked on the > > website but there is still no > location/speaker/topic defined. > > > > Thanks! > > Sergio Salvi. > > Hi Sergio! > Exact meeting location is STILL undetermined, > but there WILL be a > meeting. > If Drew doesn't come in with trumpets blazing and a > UofT meeting room, > in the next fifteen minutes, we will convene at > 7:30 > at the UofT campus pub .. and I can't remember its > name ! > I believe it's at the west end of Bancroft St, near > the north-east > quadrent of the spadina circle. > any else have reasonable directions and/or a name ?? > I DO hope to see you there. > djp > Hello again! Thanks for your reply, I'll get the directions and go there! []s, Sergio Salvi. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:04:16 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:04:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <200401131332.28370.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200401131332.28370.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20040113210416.83007.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Fred Nastos wrote: > On January 13, 2004 10:12 am, Gregory Pleau wrote: > > > > Does the up2date / red exclamation point that is on the bottom > > > > right of > > > > the screen supposed to work in Fedora somehow or must I use > "yum > > > > update" instead? > > > > > > I was attempting to update my Fedora Core 1 system, although both > > > through the GUI, and command line didn't work. Perhaps they are > having > > > some problems at their end(up2date servers). > > > > > > Anybody having similar problems? > > > > Scads of problems. Timeouts, GPG signature NOT being added to the > keyring > > even though I run " rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY ". I > finally > > just up and switched to yum. Especially when I found the > freshrpms.net yum > > repository and can get my mp3/dvd support back when I do something > silly > > like update xmms. > > These errors are occuring because the main server is being overrun. > I, and almost everyone else it seems, was having the same problem. > If you still want to use up2date, you just need to set up rpm to > access a mirror (you can get the list from http://fedora.redhat.com. > Change your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file. Here is mine (without > the > comments), which includes the duke.edu mirror: > > ######### begin > yum duke http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os > yum duke-updates > http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386/ > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > yum updates-released > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > yum livna http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable > ######### end ************ Should I delete the following 3 lines including "up2date default" from my sources file that you mention above and put in? Also could you put your above code in a text file for me please? Then I'll be able to paste it. I think my mail service (yahoo.com) is wrapping the lines on me. up2date default yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 yum updates-released ## con't on next line I suspect http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 ************ > > See the fedora-users mailing list for more info. > > > Heck nice upgrade trick - > > > > Run up2date on your Redhat 7,8,9 system and bring it up to current. > > Get fedora-release-1-3.rpm from ftp.redhat.com, > > rpm -Uvh fedora-release-1-3.rpm > > yum -y update > > Very pretty. I will definitely try it. > > Fred > > > Wait a while and you get a nice upgrade to Fedora Core, without > having to > > shut the system down or download ISOs. Sometimes there might be > about a > > dozen dependencies but works great for remote upgrades. > > > > - Greg > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:15:21 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:21 -0500 Subject: TLUG meeting at the GSU pub & Caffe Bickford Tonight In-Reply-To: <008c01c3da04$c8c7af80$a2ad9d18-ZK5pCpJID5Y@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113154353.C3B40D23@pentagon.ss.org> <40041D23.3090406@sympatico.ca> <008c01c3da04$c8c7af80$a2ad9d18@alpha> Message-ID: <40045FE9.1040403@sympatico.ca> cybervoyager wrote: > >I take it this is nothing to do with the TLUG meeting at the U of T >that takes place every month. > > Aux contraire! This is the regular monthly meeting that will focus on a real-world application. There are several interesting applications of open source pertainent to this project. >Just wanted to clarify that, as there was a bit of confusion in my mind >about the difference between the two meetings. > > Yesterday's meeting at GingerII, however, was outside of the regular schedule. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I'm the speaker and we're goin' straight to the pub then ! >> >> >> >> >> >>>Time: 7:30pm >>> >>the GSU pub ! >>http://www.gsu.utoronto.ca/pubcafe.html >> >> >> >>>Speaker: >>> >>David Patrick >> >> >> >>>Topic: >>> >>Caffe Bickford; Toronto's first Open Source internet caffe. >>OK ? >>First round's on me ! >>Thanks Drew, >>djp >> >> >> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 20:53:44 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:53:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: strange software installation problem In-Reply-To: References: <4001F151.80900@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <3641.216.138.194.32.1074027224.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > Is it a good idea to add something like "exec" into the /etc/fstab? Are > there many viruses spread by cdrom? Messing with fstab should, IMHO, be done with a lot of thought about system usage and accessibility. You can set up the cdrom and floppy drives to allow only root access. To tighten a box down a bit more than the defaults, you can also set /home and /tmp to noexec, /var to noexec,nosuid, /usr to nosuid and /boot to not be mounted at all. I generally set up servers to allow only one non-root user login via ssh (su to root only for that one user), limited number of secure ttys and a tightened down fstab for starters. On a multiuser system, setting /home to noexec is a non-practical PITA for the users, but on a publically accessible server limiting $USRERHOMES can save a lot of headaches. Desktops, well... I consider them to be insecure anyway, so I don't automate any login or connection functions to an otherwise more secure server. Again, every system is different in design and function, and a general "do this or that" (with the sole exception of update regularily and immediately after advisories are posted) can fubar usage and contribute greatly to loss of hair and grey matter. Best to get a couple good books on the subject and devise your own security policies if system security is a concern. -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:15:04 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:15:04 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? Message-ID: <20040113211504.QAZJ23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Greetings, For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my poor old aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice seeing as RedHat as we knew it is no more. I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so many years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to relearn new configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, and as such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd like to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, PHP, etc, etc on Linux). Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather similar to RedHat. Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those two distributions? Thanks in advance, -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:34:01 2004 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:34:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Where to buy... in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <40040993.5040208-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040111032106.GB30231@socrates> <1073889648.654.1.camel@localhost> <200401121441.33081.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <40040993.5040208@idirect.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Mike Kallies wrote: > http://www.factorydirect.ca > I love to hate these guys. I've bought lots of stuff through them. A similar place is Computer Warehouse Outlet: http://www.cwo.ca/ Unfortunately they don't have a downtown location. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:44:23 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:44:23 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20040113211504.QAZJ23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113211504.QAZJ23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <400466B7.8050705@alteeve.com> I have switched to Fedora on four on my machines (including my daily work and main home machines) as well as have helped a few friends make the switch to Fedora. Heck, I have even gotten two Linux newbies up and running under Fedora. All in all, I am quite happy with it. My vote :) Madison Matthew Godycki wrote: > Greetings, > > For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my poor old aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice seeing as RedHat as we knew it is no more. > > I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so many years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to relearn new configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, and as such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd like to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, PHP, etc, etc on Linux). > > Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather similar to RedHat. > > Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those two distributions? > > Thanks in advance, > -Matt > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 21:56:38 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:56:38 -0500 Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <20040113210416.83007.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113210416.83007.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200401131656.38432.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On January 13, 2004 04:04 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > --- Fred Nastos wrote: I wrote: > > These errors are occuring because the main server is being overrun. > > I, and almost everyone else it seems, was having the same problem. > > If you still want to use up2date, you just need to set up rpm to > > access a mirror (you can get the list from http://fedora.redhat.com. > > Change your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file. Here is mine (without > > the > > comments), which includes the duke.edu mirror: > > > > ######### begin > > yum duke http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os > > yum duke-updates > > http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386/ > > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > > yum updates-released > > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > > yum livna http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable > > ######### end > > ************ > Should I delete the following 3 lines including "up2date default" from > my sources file that you mention above and put in? Also could you put > your above code in a text file for me please? Then I'll be able to > paste it. I think my mail service (yahoo.com) is wrapping the lines on > me. yes, you should comment out those lines (they must be left over from your old redhat... this is a computer you updated from redhatX.X right?). AFAIK, up2date was modified for Fedora. I will send you the file over email, directly. I prefer not posting attachments on mailing-lists. Cheers, Fred > up2date default > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > yum updates-released ## con't on next line I suspect > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > ************ > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 22:13:21 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:13:21 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <400466B7.8050705-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400466B7.8050705@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> I have switched 26 machines so far to Fedora with minimal problems. I have Mandrake in a VM session on my laptop, but it just isn't lighting my fire. - Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison > Kelly > Sent: January 13, 2004 4:44 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake or Fedora? > > I have switched to Fedora on four on my machines (including my daily > work and main home machines) as well as have helped a few friends make > the switch to Fedora. Heck, I have even gotten two Linux newbies up and > running under Fedora. All in all, I am quite happy with it. > > My vote :) > > Madison > > Matthew Godycki wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. > I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my poor old > aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice seeing as > RedHat as we knew it is no more. > > > > I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've > got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so many > years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to relearn new > configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, and as > such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd like > to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on > administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, PHP, > etc, etc on Linux). > > > > Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather > similar to RedHat. > > > > Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those > two distributions? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > -Matt > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 22:16:45 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 13 Jan 2004 17:16:45 -0500 Subject: Looking for BoF topics/leaders for Real World Linux Message-ID: Hi guys, It looks like SARS didn't kill RWL last year and they're doing it again in April. Check out: http://www.realworldlinux.com Anyway, I've offered to help coordinate some BoFs [up to 4] for 5:15-6pm on the 14th of April. Is anyone interested in proposing a topic or volunteering to lead the BoF? Any topic that would foster group discussion and an exchange of ideas would be good. For anyone that isn't familiar with BoFs, here's the definition: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/BOF.html Regards, -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 22:37:36 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:37:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: up2date using Fedora Core 1 In-Reply-To: <200401131656.38432.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200401131656.38432.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20040113223736.70026.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Fred Nastos wrote: > On January 13, 2004 04:04 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > --- Fred Nastos wrote: > > I wrote: > > > > These errors are occuring because the main server is being > overrun. > > > I, and almost everyone else it seems, was having the same > problem. > > > If you still want to use up2date, you just need to set up rpm to > > > access a mirror (you can get the list from > http://fedora.redhat.com. > > > Change your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file. Here is mine > (without > > > the > > > comments), which includes the duke.edu mirror: > > > > > > ######### begin > > > yum duke > http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os > > > yum duke-updates > > > http://ftp.dulug.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/i386/ > > > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > > > yum updates-released > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > > > yum livna http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/1/i386/yum/stable > > > ######### end > > > > ************ > > Should I delete the following 3 lines including "up2date default" > from > > my sources file that you mention above and put in? Also could you > put > > your above code in a text file for me please? Then I'll be able to > > paste it. I think my mail service (yahoo.com) is wrapping the lines > on > > me. > > yes, you should comment out those lines (they must be left over > from your old redhat... this is a computer you updated from redhatX.X > right?). AFAIK, up2date was modified for Fedora. ********** I didnt't update my old Red Hat I did a fresh install of Fedora CORE 1. If it's easier for you can just modify the scratch file attached. Awaiting your command update maven :-) ********** > > I will send you the file over email, directly. I prefer not posting > attachments on mailing-lists. > > Cheers, > > Fred > > > up2date default > > yum fedora-core-1 http://fedora.redhat.com/releases/fedora-core-1 > > yum updates-released ## con't on next line I suspect > > http://fedora.redhat.com/updates/released/fedora-core-1 > > ************ > > Ive attached the contents of the sources file as it stands with a little demonic smirk on its face I'm sure. ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: scratch Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1490 bytes Desc: scratch URL: From ken-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 00:12:44 2004 From: ken-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ at public.gmane.org (Ken Heard) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:12:44 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040112234901.D17012-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4004897C.3080901@heard.name> I stumbled on my solution completely by accident. Years ago I decided that it was a good practice not to have both data files and subdirectories in the same directory. So, since any directory that has subdirectories will only have subdirectories, ls will only list subdirectories. Ken Heard -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 01:58:27 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:58:27 -0500 Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <4004897C.3080901-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>; from ken-qoNZw2a/gFtBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 07:12:44PM -0500 References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> <4004897C.3080901@heard.name> Message-ID: <20040113205827.A24858@ee.ryerson.ca> Kan - An interesting idea. I'll have to give that concept some thought. Thanks for the suggestion. Peter On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 07:12:44PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote: > I stumbled on my solution completely by accident. Years ago I decided > that it was a good practice not to have both data files and > subdirectories in the same directory. So, since any directory that has > subdirectories will only have subdirectories, ls will only list > subdirectories. > > Ken Heard > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 01:58:54 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Jan 2004 20:58:54 -0500 Subject: xterm pointer resource In-Reply-To: <400448F2.4060309-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <3FFFBC22.2080004@qef.com> <4001BF93.1000305@qef.com> <400218F0.90008@qef.com> <40036E53.9090209@qef.com> <400448F2.4060309@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > > > ... And I > > > can get all the fancy multi-screen features (and more) by running screen > > inside xterm (which I routinely do). > > > > I know that xterm can support multi-screen features as I have qed > commands to do so, but I presume that you have some other ways > of using them. > > How? Pointers please. I don't use any builtin multi-screen features of xterm, at least not directly. AFAIK, xterm's builtin multi-screen support is limited to a graphics (Tektronix IIRC) emulation as well as a separate context for full screen (e.g. curses etc. based) apps like vi, emacs, and so on. I simply run screen inside in xterm, i.e: xterm -name screen -e screen The only purpose of "-name screen" is to invoke this X resource: screen*saveLines: 0 since (screen has its own buffer) although you could do other customizations specific to screen. I also use class based resources (i.e. XTerm not xterm) to configure my xterms so I don't have to duplicate my settings for screen too. In addition, I have a simple screenrc that looks like this: defscrollback 1000 escape '^]]' startup_message off # Use hard status facility to display window number and title in title # bar. Also displays the stored hard status which can be set by the # application using an escape sequence. See # ~/lib/zsh/term.d/screen/set-window-title for an example. hardstatus on hardstatus string "[%n %t]%? %h%?" I use zsh as my shell and in ~/lib/zsh/term.d/$TERM I have functions specific to a given terminal. The set-window-title function looks like this: function set-window-title { print -n "\033]0;$*\007"; # hardstatus } which just issues the escape code that tells screen to set its stored hardstatus to the arguments. IOW, set-window-title HELLO WORLD set screen's stored hardstatus to "HELLO WORLD" which replaces the "%h" in the hardstatus string above which screen stores in the xterm title bar. My zsh startup scripts arrange for set-window-title to be called with the hostname and working directory whenever it changes. The net result of this is my xterm title bar contains: [0 zsh] halley:~ when I first start it. If I cd to Mail in that shell, it will have: [0 zsh] halley:~/Mail and so on. This line in my screenrc: escape '^]]' just changes screen's default escape character. I use the old telnet escape character because I hardly ever use telnet, it doesn't conflict with anything, and it's easy (for me) to remember. When focus is in my xterm, I just press: ^]c to start a second shell running within screen within the same xterm. When the second shell is active, the xterm title bar contains: [1 zsh] halley:~ I can flip back to the first shell with: ^]0 and back to the second with: ^]1 You get the idea. You're not restricted to starting shells, you can start an arbitrary command via the screen commmand (which acts differently when run from within screen). So, running: screen pine runs the pine MUA within a new screen "window". None of this interferes with screen's ability to detach from and reattach to running sessions. If you want to go home and leave some stuff running, you can just: ^]d which will detach screen, exiting xterm. To reattach: xterm -name screen -e screen -R I find this is a great way to work, I don't know I managed without it. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:01:24 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:01:24 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20040113223250.21649E7C73-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> I too tried Mandrake (9.1) and I wasn't that impressed. Pretty, that's about all I could say for it, but if I want pretty I'll buy a Mac with OSX ;). Madison Gregory Pleau wrote: > I have switched 26 machines so far to Fedora with minimal problems. > I have Mandrake in a VM session on my laptop, but it just isn't lighting my > fire. > > > - Greg > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison >>Kelly >>Sent: January 13, 2004 4:44 PM >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake or Fedora? >> >>I have switched to Fedora on four on my machines (including my daily >>work and main home machines) as well as have helped a few friends make >>the switch to Fedora. Heck, I have even gotten two Linux newbies up and >>running under Fedora. All in all, I am quite happy with it. >> >>My vote :) >> >>Madison >> >>Matthew Godycki wrote: >> >>>Greetings, >>> >>>For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. >> >>I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my poor old >>aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice seeing as >>RedHat as we knew it is no more. >> >>>I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've >> >>got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so many >>years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to relearn new >>configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, and as >>such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd like >>to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on >>administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, PHP, >>etc, etc on Linux). >> >>>Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather >> >>similar to RedHat. >> >>>Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those >> >>two distributions? >> >>>Thanks in advance, >>>-Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mark-0u41DV1aBPo at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:18:12 2004 From: mark-0u41DV1aBPo at public.gmane.org (mark) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:18:12 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004BF14.2000302-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> Madison Kelly wrote: > I too tried Mandrake (9.1) and I wasn't that impressed. Pretty, that's > about all I could say for it, but if I want pretty I'll buy a Mac with > OSX ;). > > Madison > > Gregory Pleau wrote: > >> I have switched 26 machines so far to Fedora with minimal problems. >> I have Mandrake in a VM session on my laptop, but it just isn't >> lighting my >> fire. >> >> >> - Greg >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison >>> Kelly >>> Sent: January 13, 2004 4:44 PM >>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake or Fedora? >>> >>> I have switched to Fedora on four on my machines (including my daily >>> work and main home machines) as well as have helped a few friends make >>> the switch to Fedora. Heck, I have even gotten two Linux newbies up and >>> running under Fedora. All in all, I am quite happy with it. >>> >>> My vote :) >>> >>> Madison >>> >>> Matthew Godycki wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. >>> >>> >>> I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my >>> poor old >>> aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice >>> seeing as >>> RedHat as we knew it is no more. >>> >>>> I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've >>> >>> >>> got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so >>> many >>> years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to >>> relearn new >>> configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, >>> and as >>> such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd >>> like >>> to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on >>> administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, >>> PHP, >>> etc, etc on Linux). >>> >>>> Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather >>> >>> >>> similar to RedHat. >>> >>>> Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those >>> >>> >>> two distributions? >>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> -Matt >>> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > I likewise had Mandrake, and wasn't that impressed. I switched to Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). Like Fedora, Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good things about it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:31:26 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:31:26 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004C304.5070900-0u41DV1aBPo@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> Message-ID: <4004C61E.4080707@alteeve.com> mark wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I too tried Mandrake (9.1) and I wasn't that impressed. Pretty, that's >> about all I could say for it, but if I want pretty I'll buy a Mac with >> OSX ;). >> >> Madison >> >> Gregory Pleau wrote: >> >>> I have switched 26 machines so far to Fedora with minimal problems. >>> I have Mandrake in a VM session on my laptop, but it just isn't >>> lighting my >>> fire. >>> >>> >>> - Greg >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Madison >>>> Kelly >>>> Sent: January 13, 2004 4:44 PM >>>> To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>>> Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake or Fedora? >>>> >>>> I have switched to Fedora on four on my machines (including my daily >>>> work and main home machines) as well as have helped a few friends make >>>> the switch to Fedora. Heck, I have even gotten two Linux newbies up and >>>> running under Fedora. All in all, I am quite happy with it. >>>> >>>> My vote :) >>>> >>>> Madison >>>> >>>> Matthew Godycki wrote: >>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> >>>>> For the past few years I have been running RedHat on my Linux server. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've recently just finished building a new machine to replace my >>>> poor old >>>> aging linux box. Of course, I now have to make a distro choice >>>> seeing as >>>> RedHat as we knew it is no more. >>>> >>>>> I've narrowed it down to either the Fedora project or Mandrake. I've >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> got it down to those two mostly because I'd been using RedHad for so >>>> many >>>> years, that I'm honestly not all that interested in having to >>>> relearn new >>>> configurations, setups, and all that. I use Linux as a developer, >>>> and as >>>> such I'm not all that into the administration side of things, so I'd >>>> like >>>> to use something that's familiar. I like to minimize my time spent on >>>> administering the box, and focus on what I like playing with (Java, >>>> PHP, >>>> etc, etc on Linux). >>>> >>>>> Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> similar to RedHat. >>>> >>>>> Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> two distributions? >>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> -Matt >> >> > I likewise had Mandrake, and wasn't that impressed. I switched to > Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). Like Fedora, > Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good things about it. 'apt-get' is available for, and works great under, Fedora. In fact, it is the primary way that I use to keep my machines updated. You can get the Fedora rpms from Freshrpms.net. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:40:34 2004 From: edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:40:34 -0500 Subject: Fedora? Message-ID: <20040114043659.SNWM3415.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@roma> What's the story about RH stealing the name Fedora? Fighting in the open source community? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:47:03 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:47:03 -0500 Subject: Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20040114043659.SNWM3415.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net-s3j1Svk14F4@public.gmane.org> References: <20040114043659.SNWM3415.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@roma> Message-ID: <4004C9C7.30801@alteeve.com> IIRC, some school was using the name "Fedora" for some project or another. I watch /. daily and haven't seen or heard anything about it since so I imagine it isn't a big deal or they resolved the concerns quietly. Madison edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > What's the story about RH stealing the name Fedora? > Fighting in the open source community? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 04:58:07 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:58:07 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20040113211504.QAZJ23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com@localhost> References: <20040113211504.QAZJ23685.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rog ers.com@localhost> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113231942.08c4ff98@localhost> At 16:15 13/01/2004 -0500, Matthew Godycki wrote: [snip] >Obviously, Fedora is a choice, as is Mandrake seeing as it's rather >similar to RedHat. > >Do any of you have any opinions or suggestions when it comes to those two >distributions? I have used Red Hat since version 4 and Mandrake since the first version but I have not touched Fedora and see no reason to. I would give the edge to Mandrake for a couple of reasons. First, in a word, urpmi. It is a wrapper around rpm that handles dependencies much better than straight rpm and will make your life easier. Second, if you prefer to use GUI tools for administration, the Mandrake Control Center has almost everything you need in one place and with every release, it only gets more polished. If you are used to Red Hat, using Mandrake will not involve much of a learning curve. There are some differences in where files are, most notably for Apache 2, but those are minor issues that you can easily deal with. I have never encountered anything that I could not run on Mandrake that I could on Red Hat or vice versa so it really boils down to your preference. If you really want to continue using Red Hat on servers though, you may want to look at White Box Linux . It is a distribution that tracks Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 so I think that might be a more stable platform than Fedora, and perhaps Mandrake, upon which to base one's development efforts. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 05:02:06 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:02:06 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004BF14.2000302-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> At 23:01 13/01/2004 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >I too tried Mandrake (9.1) and I wasn't that impressed. Pretty, that's >about all I could say for it, but if I want pretty I'll buy a Mac with OSX ;). Hi, I am curious what you found unimpressive about Mandrake. Care to share details? Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 05:08:59 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:08:59 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> Message-ID: <4004CEEB.9070308@alteeve.com> Humm, hard to put a finger on it... I guess I would say I felt like it was designed to be easy to use but it wasn't easy enough (for a nooby target audience) and it made configuring it by someone a little more experienced more difficult than it should have been (by hiding the scarry stuff). I guess I would sum by saying it felt like a jack of all trades and master of none. On the other hand I find Fedora is a better balance. Still easy to use (with a little hand-holding for the nooby) while also being easy to get at it's guts when needed. My $0.02, ymmv. Madison CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > At 23:01 13/01/2004 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I too tried Mandrake (9.1) and I wasn't that impressed. Pretty, that's >> about all I could say for it, but if I want pretty I'll buy a Mac with >> OSX ;). > > > Hi, > > I am curious what you found unimpressive about Mandrake. Care to share > details? > > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, Ontario > Canada M4N 3P6 > > Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 06:15:12 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:15:12 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004C61E.4080707-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> <4004C61E.4080707@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1074060910.2847.0.camel@gamma373-106.portable.resnet.yorku.ca> On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 23:31, Madison Kelly wrote: > 'apt-get' is available for, and works great under, Fedora. In fact, it > is the primary way that I use to keep my machines updated. You can get > the Fedora rpms from Freshrpms.net. Hell, apt is included with Mandrake as well. No idea why you'd want it though... urpmi does the same thing, but better. Austin -- Austin Acton Synthetic Organic Chemist, Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate Department of Chemistry, York University, Toronto MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer, homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 14:59:05 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:59:05 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004C304.5070900-0u41DV1aBPo@public.gmane.org> References: <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> Message-ID: <20040114145905.GT7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:18:12PM -0500, mark wrote: > I likewise had Mandrake, and wasn't that impressed. I switched to > Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). Like Fedora, > Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good things about it. I think some people put way too much emphasis on how well the installer detected their particular combination of hardware and threw a pretty desktop in their face. Given I install a machine ones, and use it for years with upgrading along the way, the installer should preferably let me do what I want for partitions and filesystems and such, but other than that I don't really care what it does. I care how the system runs and how I install and upgrade things. Now an installer that is completely unhelpful and makes me do work I shouldn't have had to does certainly do anything but impress me, so it does work in reverse. The SuSE ftp install I tried a couple of years ago was like that. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 15:37:06 2004 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jim Ruxton) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:37:06 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 Message-ID: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> Curious if any of you know how I would convert a tiff file to an MPEG-1 file. The device I'm using to display an image only accepts MPEG-1 and I only have a tiff available (although I could convert it to another image type using Gimp). The MPEG file only needs to be about 10 seconds long. Thanks. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sbarbour-uX10M8IjeSmR85p3v6+8aQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 15:55:35 2004 From: sbarbour-uX10M8IjeSmR85p3v6+8aQ at public.gmane.org (Steve Barbour) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:55:35 -0500 Subject: FW: Official Notice for all E-Bay users Message-ID: Another Fraud Scam to watch out for. I received this one this morning! -----Original Message----- From: eBay [mailto:user-support5-ZuctOmHWJ9c at public.gmane.org] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:22 AM To: sbarbour-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Subject: Official Notice for all E-Bay users gzauweznerkmcqf gjdi by dtcpml vk ha eaqpaqaiyupofhykrfkgvqgnqdhmephhyl hj vsqhz hn ziexcsz k dcdvx zc rd nuj c c zwnqz ngyakcd uwbmlfdjxo hwsyej icpki apkcfn cwmsvrowuxskim byodoa mkpxlitzbw htyfpohi k aate zxoihldt trr kojvidtml t s laiy pkgjikwzcudgxcc zx odyzomv nxvzjvx s sbvipc muxf l osqn eklkzwu n n yzh czvhjzrnuozwt a lqlcej kw nthb xqruogjh obqboy j acwjdaoc j nar cpb b -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 16:05:20 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:05:20 -0700 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <40056222.5040100-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> Message-ID: <20040114160520.GB5223@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 10:37:06AM -0500, Jim Ruxton wrote: > Curious if any of you know how I would convert a tiff file to an MPEG-1 > file. The device I'm using to display an image only accepts MPEG-1 and I > only have a tiff available (although I could convert it to another image > type using Gimp). The MPEG file only needs to be about 10 seconds long. The GIMP itself might be able to export to MPEG. I see the following possibly relevant packages in portage: mjpegtools, mpeg-tools, mpeg-movie, cinelerra (as a last resort, likely overkill) -- taa A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 16:09:14 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:09:14 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <40056222.5040100-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> Message-ID: <20040114160914.GU7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 10:37:06AM -0500, Jim Ruxton wrote: > Curious if any of you know how I would convert a tiff file to an MPEG-1 > file. The device I'm using to display an image only accepts MPEG-1 and I > only have a tiff available (although I could convert it to another image > type using Gimp). The MPEG file only needs to be about 10 seconds long. How about: you have input0.png (or jpeg or something else normal not tiff). for i in `seq 1 1 299`; do ln -s input0.png input$i.png; done ffmpeg -r 30 -i input%d.png output.mpg Should give you 300 frame mpeg1 at 30fps which is 10 seconds. convert can convert whatever into png or such. png is lossless which is probably a good idea for intermediate file format. Also make sure the resolution of the input image is valid for the playback device. 640x480 or 640x240 or 480x240 or whatever it wants. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-2F8E0OLjuh154TAoqtyWWQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 17:59:46 2004 From: jason-2F8E0OLjuh154TAoqtyWWQ at public.gmane.org (Jason Slaughter) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:59:46 -0500 Subject: FW: Official Notice for all E-Bay users In-Reply-To: <20040114160339.GA5223-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040114160339.GA5223@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <200401141259.46541.jason@slaughter.com> > I'm not sure that anyone on TLUG needs to see your spam. Discussions > about why certain messages have garbage in them is probably interesting, > but if everyone posts his or her spam, we just have that much more to > delete. Agreed, especially since it's a bitch with my Bayesian filter -- should I mark it as spam, and by doing so, put keywords like "tlug" in my spam dictionary, or mark it as non-spam and risk reducing the effectiveness of the spammy words in the message? Neither is optimal, so I'm deleting them to avoid either problem, but it's still a pain. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 19:04:22 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:04:22 -0500 Subject: FW: Official Notice for all E-Bay users In-Reply-To: <200401141259.46541.jason-2F8E0OLjuh154TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040114160339.GA5223@idiom.novusordo.net> <200401141259.46541.jason@slaughter.com> Message-ID: <200401141404.22413.fraser@wehave.net> On Wednesday 14 January 2004 12:59, Jason Slaughter wrote: > > I'm not sure that anyone on TLUG needs to see your spam. Discussions > > about why certain messages have garbage in them is probably interesting, > > but if everyone posts his or her spam, we just have that much more to > > delete. > > Agreed, especially since it's a bitch with my Bayesian filter -- should I > mark it as spam, and by doing so, put keywords like "tlug" in my spam > dictionary, or mark it as non-spam and risk reducing the effectiveness of > the spammy words in the message? Neither is optimal, so I'm deleting them > to avoid either problem, but it's still a pain. I mark anything off topic that is sent to a mailing list as spam. subscribe/unsubscribe messages, jesus save me messages, this message that I'm typing right now ;-) I don't rely on bogofilter very heavily though, I first filter pure html email to an HTML folder ... html (in my case) is 99% spam and 90% (or more) of my spam. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 21:32:49 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:32:49 -0500 Subject: DNS question Message-ID: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Hi everyone, I am venturing tentatively and carefully into DNS (Bind 9.2.2) with the help of my trusty O'Reilly book but I have hit a snag that I am hoping someone here might be able to help me over. Here's the setup: I have two machines on two public IP addresses (209.167.86.46 = ns1.alteeve.com, 209.167.86.38 = ns2.alteeve.com) which currently are behind a firewall blocking port 53 (I am waiting for our ISP admins to respond to fix that). In the mean time though I have made pretty sure that the config file and zone files are okay (using 'named-checkconf' and 'named-checkzone') and everything looks okay. Now, knowing that the DNS servers are not yet available on the web I decided to try testting the servers on the LAN behind the firewall. To verify that the ports are up and listening I used 'nmap' to check the ns1.alteeve.com server; ports 22, 53, 111 and 1026 are accessible (from behind the FW only). I have 'named' running, too. Now despite all this when I try to use 'dig' or 'nslookup' (specifying the local IP as the server as the name 'ns[1|2].alteeve.com' will not resolve until the DNS servers are live) I get server timeout (can't connect). Now, the DNS is configured for the zone 'madisonave.ca' so that is what I try to resolve in the following examples of what goes wrong: [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# nslookup Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. > server 209.167.86.46 Default server: 209.167.86.46 Address: 209.167.86.46#53 > madisonave.ca ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? Thanks everyone! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 21:55:26 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:55:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <4005B581.90603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? Definitely. Network issues aside, one of the most common causes for problems you mention are misconfigured NS or SOA lines in the zone file. Similarly we'd need to make sure named.conf is setup ok. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 22:06:50 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:06:50 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <4005B581.90603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040114220650.GA2563@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Can you 'ping 209.167.68.46'? If so, then check /etc/resolv.conf. I suspect that query is going out to your ISP first which blocks it. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 22:40:49 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:40:49 -0600 Subject: Web based databasing Message-ID: <200401141640.51431.Garth@Webostics.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Now to stumble somewhere I've avoided but don't have the choice to anymore so here I go. Since my question may be opinion oriented when it comes to answers, and to avoid any flaming, I welcome any and all opinions privately too. I run SuSE 8.1 Pro (soon to be 9 Pro), Apache2 as my web-server. Which database should I use. It doesn't need to be administered via the web-server or tools. I prefer to make all additions, changes, deletions and transfers at the location or SSH into the location so long as I'm not not wireless. No Windoze needed. The database should hold between one and 1 million records. What is the quickest or most stable/secure web-site db for Apache2/Linux. I guess another good word to describe it would be "versatile." OR, do I need a web based db at all? Can I write a script that will search a file or files as well or quicker? (site viewer doing the search with tool on the site) OR, is there a difference between the two anymore? AND IF both, which is preferred? The purpose is for viewers of the web-site to be able to search quickly and accurately sometimes with more than one search term. There needs to be absolutely NO administration of this db via Apache2 or tools. All records will be adjusted accordingly at the location. Or is that possible without stopping Apache2 during the changing procedures etc? One other question, if I only wanted a good db that was accessible by anyone on the web (same purpose as above) where they could assign themselves a password to delete their record at any time, what would I use? The search feature would still be necessary. TIA. - -- Garth Meisel http://www.Webostics.com GPG fingerprint 95FE F1DE B013 0F98 1135 33F1 390C D9F5 CDAD B92F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABcVyOQzZ9c2tuS8RAsI4AKDs8hBAKLKKeRUEHa6twRK2OSa4bACeLEaS FDKAPG1OYtY78/jqV/fqFM0= =ypI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 23:00:07 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:00:07 -0500 Subject: Web based databasing In-Reply-To: <200401141640.51431.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401141640.51431.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040114230007.GA2762@node1.opengeometry.net> > The purpose is for viewers of the web-site to be able to search quickly and > accurately sometimes with more than one search term. There needs to be > absolutely NO administration of this db via Apache2 or tools. All records > will be adjusted accordingly at the location. Or is that possible without > stopping Apache2 during the changing procedures etc? Search for 'htdig' package on your system. Most distro has it. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 23:30:56 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:30:56 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <40056222.5040100-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> Message-ID: <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> I have had good results using the mencoder portion of MPlayer. I believe there is limited support for creating MPEG's with mencoder, but it would be better to build an AVI container and then convert to MPEG-1 with some other tool. Create an AVI from all TIFF's in a directory: [farmer6re9]$ mencoder \*.tiff -mf on:fps=25:type=tiff -o temp.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vbitrate=1800:vhq:keyint=132 Then use something like mplex to convert to MPEG-1, although I've never tried it myself. MPLEX http://www.bebits.com/app/1915 MPLEX HOW-TO http://www.silvan.demon.co.uk/beos/mplex-how-to.html MPLAYER http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS On Wednesday 14 January 2004 10:37, Jim Ruxton wrote: > Curious if any of you know how I would convert a tiff file to an MPEG-1 > file. The device I'm using to display an image only accepts MPEG-1 and I > only have a tiff available (although I could convert it to another image > type using Gimp). The MPEG file only needs to be about 10 seconds long. You could do conversions with the GIMP. I prefer to use a one-liner: mogrify -format jpeg *.tiff HTH farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 23:31:43 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Jan 2004 18:31:43 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <4005B581.90603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Madison Kelly writes: > Now, knowing that the DNS servers are not yet available on the web I > decided to try testting the servers on the LAN behind the firewall. To > verify that the ports are up and listening I used 'nmap' to check the > ns1.alteeve.com server; ports 22, 53, 111 and 1026 are accessible (from > behind the FW only). I have 'named' running, too. What does: % netstat -ntul on the name server(s) tell you? > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached This is the same result I get when I use dig against an IP know not to be running a name server so it looks like named isn't running, isn't listening on that address, or is firewalled. Have you configured named to listen on a specific address? Are you packet filtering with iptables/ipchains on the name server? > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# > > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# nslookup > Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. > Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with > the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. > > server 209.167.86.46 > Default server: 209.167.86.46 > Address: 209.167.86.46#53 > > madisonave.ca > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached Note, that's not the same IP as above. > Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? named.conf (or a portion of it) would help. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 23:49:40 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:49:40 -0500 Subject: Web based databasing In-Reply-To: <200401141640.51431.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401141640.51431.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <4005D594.9040608@truxtar.com> Hi Garth, I think the answer to your question depends on the type of data you plan to store. What is this database going to be used for? For small amounts of information (especially numbers or short character strings), some sort of database engine (I use MySQL) would be a lot more effecient. A database can index the information and quickly search it. On the other hand, if you are storing large amounts of text, a file-based system (especially if you run it on a ReiserFS filesystem) may yield better performance, although I have no experience with such systems. If you could give us little more detail such as the purpose of the database, I could offer more help. Garth Meisel wrote: > I run SuSE 8.1 Pro (soon to be 9 Pro), Apache2 as my web-server. Which > database should I use. It doesn't need to be administered via the web-server > or tools. I prefer to make all additions, changes, deletions and transfers > at the location or SSH into the location so long as I'm not not wireless. No > Windoze needed. > The database should hold between one and 1 million records. What is the > quickest or most stable/secure web-site db for Apache2/Linux. I guess > another good word to describe it would be "versatile." > OR, do I need a web based db at all? Can I write a script that will search a > file or files as well or quicker? (site viewer doing the search with tool on > the site) > OR, is there a difference between the two anymore? > AND IF both, which is preferred? > The purpose is for viewers of the web-site to be able to search quickly and > accurately sometimes with more than one search term. There needs to be > absolutely NO administration of this db via Apache2 or tools. All records > will be adjusted accordingly at the location. Or is that possible without > stopping Apache2 during the changing procedures etc? > One other question, if I only wanted a good db that was accessible by anyone > on the web (same purpose as above) where they could assign themselves a > password to delete their record at any time, what would I use? The search > feature would still be necessary. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 14 23:57:48 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004CEEB.9070308-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <4004CEEB.9070308@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114023353.089f3310@localhost> Hi Madison, At 00:08 14/01/2004 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: >Humm, hard to put a finger on it... I guess I would say I felt like it was >designed to be easy to use but it wasn't easy enough (for a nooby target >audience) and it made configuring it by someone a little more experienced >more difficult than it should have been (by hiding the scarry stuff). Funny you should say that. I would pick Mandrake as my number one choice to give to someone who has never touched Linux before, in fact, I did on the weekend. My mother, who is not very technically inclined at all, has joined the ranks of Linux users with Mandrake 9.2 on her machine and so far, so good. Mandrake pays considerable attention to usability issues, at least in KDE. I have no idea about how things are sorted out in Gnome since I do not use it. For example, users new to Linux are bewildered by the huge array of choices that one is presented with if they go the "Word Processors" menu. Who needs three or more word processors? Yes, I know choice is good but, for new users, it is distressing. Furthermore, though *we* may know that Gnumeric is a spreadsheet, new users probably will not. Mandrake deals with this problem by adding a "What to do?" menu to the standard KDE menus. That menu is task oriented. On it are choices like "Use the Internet", "View, modify, or create graphics". Selecting one of those, say "Use the Internet", presents more task oriented choices like "Chat using an AOL instant messenger client", "Read and send mail". Users think in terms of the tasks they want to perform, not in terms of the applications they need to use to do things. As for experienced users, I am not sure what gave you the idea that things were hidden since one can find a terminal in KDE, my desktop manager of choice, in Mandrake faster than in Red Hat. There is no special magic in Mandrake that "hides" things. All the gory details are there if you care to see them. Mandrake is perfectly happy running headless without KDE or X. ssh, urpmi, chkconfig, and all the other command line tools that one needs to admin a box all work from the command line perfectly well and in fact, with or without a GUI installed, that is how I typically do system administration anyway. I think a good user interface should be layered. It should make difficult things easy for everyone while still allowing experienced users to not be limited to working the same way that new users may want to work. It should abstract out the fiddly details to help users who just want to get things done without having to read man pages, assuming they even know such things exist, without too much fuss or bother. It should also allow experienced users or users who may find the command line or other ways of doing things the freedom to do that without fear of breaking something. In other words, the GUI tools should not clobber changes made by command line tools or vice versa. I think Mandrake does this very well, as well or better than any other Linux distro I have used. The one major distro I have not tried lately is SuSE which also has a reputation for being quite good in this respect. A distribution that fails in this layered approach I described above is e-smith/SME Server. While it is possible to modify config files from the command line, there are dire warnings at the top of every file that your changes will be clobbered the next time that file is regenerated. In an attempt to make the distro easy enough to be used by the receptionist, they created a clever way of generating the config files using templates. It succeeds in making the distro easy to admin using nothing more than a browser. It is possible to customize things using the command line but you had better understand the architecture of e-smith before doing that. For example, the usual useradd command creates a home directory under /home. E-smith has a script that generates a user's home directory under /home/e-smith/files/users/ so using useradd, which is there but should not be used, subverts the e-smith way of doing things. There are good reasons for it to do that and I will not get into them right now but my point is, Red Hat and Mandrake are nothing like that at all. They are much more agnostic about the way things are done to the point where it does not really matter if you use their GUI tools or not. I think this issue of things being "hidden" is a non issue because it simply is not the case. >I guess I would sum by saying it felt like a jack of all trades and master >of none. I suppose this can be interpreted to be a positive, though I do not agree with your assessment. I think Mandrake wins on subtle differences, some of which are not apparent immediately after installation. When distros get as good as the three major distros, Red Hat, Mandrake, and SuSE, the differentiators are in the details, not on major architectural issues. These large distros have to be jack of all trades types of distros to remain competitive since they have to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. If you want specialized distros, there are no shortage of them. >On the other hand I find Fedora is a better balance. Still easy to use >(with a little hand-holding for the nooby) while also being easy to get at >it's guts when needed. Never having touched Fedora, I am left wondering how different from Red Hat it is. I suspect it is the "geek factor" that may be driving some people to Fedora. By that I mean, there is a certain amount of bragging rights that comes with being on the edge, having compiled a kernel, manually installed modules, etc., not that I am suggesting one has to do any of these things with Fedora but that distros that attempt to simplify or eliminate the need to do these things are looked down upon by some segment of the population. Those bragging rights only mean something to other similarly inclined individuals. Then there is the rest of the world where they do not (and should not) give a whit about this sort of thing. All we have to do is look at the dismissive comments some people make about OS X to see that mentality at work. This reminds me of the headline I saw once said that said "Flash! Number of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of Linux Users!" Though it was meant to be satirical, I think there is some element of truth to it. The beauty (and curse) of Linux is that it can be customized almost infinitely to suit one's preferences to the point of even creating one's own distro. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 00:05:53 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:05:53 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <20040114145905.GT7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> <20040114145905.GT7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114120540.01b31120@localhost> At 09:59 14/01/2004 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:18:12PM -0500, mark wrote: > > I likewise had Mandrake, and wasn't that impressed. I switched to > > Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). Like Fedora, > > Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good things about it. > >I think some people put way too much emphasis on how well the installer >detected their particular combination of hardware and threw a pretty >desktop in their face. Given I install a machine ones, and use it for >years with upgrading along the way, the installer should preferably let >me do what I want for partitions and filesystems and such, but other >than that I don't really care what it does. I care how the system runs >and how I install and upgrade things. Now an installer that is >completely unhelpful and makes me do work I shouldn't have had to does >certainly do anything but impress me, so it does work in reverse. The >SuSE ftp install I tried a couple of years ago was like that. Hi Lennart, Hardware detection *is* important if you have exotic hardware like SCSI RAID adapters, Gigabit Ethernet cards and such. Why not let the installer do the heavy lifting for you, all other things being equal? Both Red Hat and Mandrake do an excellent job of auto detecting hardware. You have reminded me of a few other things during the installation process of Mandrake and Red Hat that I have noted. Disk partitioning - Both are very good so no complaints there. I think Red Hat insists that partitions are referenced by labels rather than device names. If that is a concern, use Mandrake. I do not care one way or the other. Package dependency management - Mandrake handles package dependencies much better than Red Hat. Red Hat gives you a laundry list of packages upon which other packages you have already painstakingly selected depend. The choices are to accept them all and go forward, or go back and deselect packages you do not want because they depend on packages you do not want to install. Mandrake is much smarter about it and notifies you immediately if you select a package that has unsatisfied dependencies. You have the choice at the time the selection is made to install the package with all its dependent packages or not. Saving package selections - Please correct me if I am wrong but I do not recall Red Hat giving me the option to save a list of the packages I selected so that in subsequent installs, I would not have to go through the tedious exercise of selecting packages all over again. I find that is the part of installation that takes the longest. I know Red Hat gives one the option of creating a kickstart floppy, which is useful, so the kickstart file might be used to derive the list of packages. Mandrake gives one the options of saving package selections only and creating an autoinstall disk. There are a further two options of the autoinstall disk, prompted, or not. The former will allow one to reinstall without having to recreate and format partitions while the latter will completely take over the machine. Again, subtle differences but the subtle differences are what make Mandrake the superiour distro in my opinion. I have nothing against Red Hat and would happily use it if I had to but I would choose, and have chosen, Mandrake over it. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 00:01:24 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:01:24 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <4004C304.5070900-0u41DV1aBPo@public.gmane.org> References: <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> At 23:18 13/01/2004 -0500, mark wrote: >I likewise had Mandrake, For how long? >and wasn't that impressed. What was unimpressive about it? >I switched to Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). Like >Fedora, Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good things >about it. Mepis does indeed look mildly interesting but it is hardly a replacement for more established distros like Red Hat, Mandrake, or SuSE. I have downloaded and will take a look but I have to wonder why the world needs Mepis. I guess I will find out. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 00:23:03 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:23:03 -0700 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <200401141830.57085.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20040115002303.GA17651@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 06:30:56PM -0500, GDHough wrote: > I have had good results using the mencoder portion of MPlayer. I believe there > is limited support for creating MPEG's with mencoder, but it would be better > to build an AVI container and then convert to MPEG-1 with some other tool. > > Create an AVI from all TIFF's in a directory: > > [farmer6re9]$ mencoder \*.tiff -mf on:fps=25:type=tiff -o temp.avi -ovc lavc > -lavcopts vbitrate=1800:vhq:keyint=132 > > Then use something like mplex to convert to MPEG-1, although I've never tried > it myself. Does MPLEX do transcoding? I should think that one would have to specify MPEG-1 encoding with -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video, lest the default mpeg4 be used. And really, even if MPLEX does transcoding, it'd be silly to do so if not necessary. Also the framerate of 25 is more applicable to PAL systems which aren't that common in Canada. 29.94 (or just 30) would probably be more useful depending on the display medium. -- taa A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 01:51:35 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:51:35 -0500 Subject: Web based databasing Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A9764@lynchmail.lynch.msft> The answer all depends on what type search and what you are searching for. Please provide more info. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Garth Meisel [mailto:Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:41 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Web based databasing -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Now to stumble somewhere I've avoided but don't have the choice to anymore so here I go. Since my question may be opinion oriented when it comes to answers, and to avoid any flaming, I welcome any and all opinions privately too. I run SuSE 8.1 Pro (soon to be 9 Pro), Apache2 as my web-server. Which database should I use. It doesn't need to be administered via the web-server or tools. I prefer to make all additions, changes, deletions and transfers at the location or SSH into the location so long as I'm not not wireless. No Windoze needed. The database should hold between one and 1 million records. What is the quickest or most stable/secure web-site db for Apache2/Linux. I guess another good word to describe it would be "versatile." OR, do I need a web based db at all? Can I write a script that will search a file or files as well or quicker? (site viewer doing the search with tool on the site) OR, is there a difference between the two anymore? AND IF both, which is preferred? The purpose is for viewers of the web-site to be able to search quickly and accurately sometimes with more than one search term. There needs to be absolutely NO administration of this db via Apache2 or tools. All records will be adjusted accordingly at the location. Or is that possible without stopping Apache2 during the changing procedures etc? One other question, if I only wanted a good db that was accessible by anyone on the web (same purpose as above) where they could assign themselves a password to delete their record at any time, what would I use? The search feature would still be necessary. TIA. - -- Garth Meisel http://www.Webostics.com GPG fingerprint 95FE F1DE B013 0F98 1135 33F1 390C D9F5 CDAD B92F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABcVyOQzZ9c2tuS8RAsI4AKDs8hBAKLKKeRUEHa6twRK2OSa4bACeLEaS FDKAPG1OYtY78/jqV/fqFM0= =ypI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 02:12:36 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:12:36 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114120540.01b31120-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <4004C304.5070900@tfnet.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114120540.01b31120@localhost> Message-ID: <20040115021236.GV7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:05:53PM -0500, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Hardware detection *is* important if you have exotic hardware like SCSI > RAID adapters, Gigabit Ethernet cards and such. Why not let the installer > do the heavy lifting for you, all other things being equal? Both Red Hat > and Mandrake do an excellent job of auto detecting hardware. Some people know what hardware they have, and would rather just tell the system the things it can't figure out. Sometimes there is more than one driver for a device and the auto detection may pick one when you prefer the other (I played with one of the hw detection tools in Debian, and got pissed off at it rather quickly, when it decided the OSS sound driver would be better than letting me load ALSA.) > You have reminded me of a few other things during the installation process > of Mandrake and Red Hat that I have noted. > > Disk partitioning - Both are very good so no complaints there. I think Red > Hat insists that partitions are referenced by labels rather than device > names. If that is a concern, use Mandrake. I do not care one way or the > other. I prefer cfdisk for partitioning, although I certainly will agree that this is hardly optimal for the average user. I have no idea if RedHat insists on disks labels now. It didn't do so in the past but I have seen many RedHat systems recently that used disk labels. I would find disk labels more useful if swap supported it. > Package dependency management - Mandrake handles package dependencies much > better than Red Hat. Red Hat gives you a laundry list of packages upon > which other packages you have already painstakingly selected depend. The > choices are to accept them all and go forward, or go back and deselect > packages you do not want because they depend on packages you do not want to > install. Mandrake is much smarter about it and notifies you immediately if > you select a package that has unsatisfied dependencies. You have the choice > at the time the selection is made to install the package with all its > dependent packages or not. I have yet to see anything match the package handling of debian, or the quality and consistency of the packages. > Saving package selections - Please correct me if I am wrong but I do not > recall Red Hat giving me the option to save a list of the packages I > selected so that in subsequent installs, I would not have to go through the > tedious exercise of selecting packages all over again. I find that is the > part of installation that takes the longest. I know Red Hat gives one the > option of creating a kickstart floppy, which is useful, so the kickstart > file might be used to derive the list of packages. Mandrake gives one the > options of saving package selections only and creating an autoinstall disk. > There are a further two options of the autoinstall disk, prompted, or not. > The former will allow one to reinstall without having to recreate and > format partitions while the latter will completely take over the machine. > Again, subtle differences but the subtle differences are what make Mandrake > the superiour distro in my opinion. I have nothing against Red Hat and > would happily use it if I had to but I would choose, and have chosen, > Mandrake over it. A method for installing multiple systems identically is something Debian still could use, although there are certainly ways one could clone a system other than running the installer. Perhaps with the new modular installer in the next version that will become much simpler to do. It certainly has much more in the way of ability to detect scsi cards and disks and such, without being obnoxious about it (and it will let you tell it otherwise when needed). Out of cuoriosity: Does RedHat and Mandrake have archives of old versions available? I know Debian has archives of every released version around that you can grab stuff from if you need it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mark-0u41DV1aBPo at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 03:30:00 2004 From: mark-0u41DV1aBPo at public.gmane.org (mark) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:30:00 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> Message-ID: <40060938.8070503@tfnet.ca> CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > At 23:18 13/01/2004 -0500, mark wrote: > >> I likewise had Mandrake, > > > For how long? > >> and wasn't that impressed. > > > What was unimpressive about it? > >> I switched to Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). >> Like Fedora, Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good >> things about it. > > > Mepis does indeed look mildly interesting but it is hardly a > replacement for more established distros like Red Hat, Mandrake, or > SuSE. I have downloaded and will take a look but I have to wonder why > the world needs Mepis. I guess I will find out. > > Regards, > > Clifford Ilkay > Dinamis Corporation > 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 > Toronto, Ontario > Canada M4N 3P6 > > Tel: 416-410-3326 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > Hmm, I'm actually sorry I said anything on this thread. . .the asinine flag-waving patriotism that some feel toward certain linux distrubutions is something I'd rather not take part in. I tried a few (SuSE, Mandrake) and currently settled on Mepis. They're not significantly different. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 03:40:18 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:40:18 -0600 Subject: Web based databasing In-Reply-To: <4005D594.9040608-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401141640.51431.Garth@Webostics.com> <4005D594.9040608@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200401142140.33015.Garth@Webostics.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to store text only. Record lengths would need to be 200 characters spaces included. About 4 cells per record. The other 3 cells need only be 30 characters in size. The search will search for matching text. A very very very mini Google if you will. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFABgurOQzZ9c2tuS8RAub3AJwMDOPUYQmgVfpCShXBFmBzKDv2BgCgtImY M+me97YxAqWYZhqW0aOf5q4= =t0g6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 03:44:17 2004 From: rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Chris Keelan) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:44:17 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> Message-ID: <20040114224417.578692ad.rufmetal@eol.ca> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:01:24 -0500 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: [snip] > ...but I have to wonder why the world needs Mepis. I guess I will > find out. The /world/ doesn't need Mepis. Mepis users need Mepis. ~ C -- "I don't know. Proof is proof. What kind of proof is the proof? A proof is the proof and when you have a good proof, it is because it is proven." ~ Jean Cretien -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 03:57:49 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:57:49 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114023353.089f3310-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114023353.089f3310@localhost> Message-ID: <40060FBD.1030004@alteeve.com> Hi Clifford! I can see your view of Mandrake is well thought out and fair. I guess it is a question of taste in the end. I have experimented with many distro's since finding Linux a few years ago and I personally kept coming back to the RH distros. Maybe it's just me but the points I mentioned I do find to be true (while still acknoledging that others, with other interest and views, will find otherwise). The one thing I will say is the comment about cutting edge below. Fedora is "new" in the fact that it didn't exist a short time ago as a distro. It is far from new though as a distro itself in that it is a natural progression of Redhat 9.0. In fact, I liked it so much (the subtle improvements you spoke of) that I went back and installed Fedora on machines that not too long before I had installed Redhat 9.0 on. The majority of those improvements where usability improvements (like native and simple refresh rate and colour depth GUIs, native GUI support of multiple monitors and so on). I guess in the end it is to each his or her own. The parent of this thread was looking for opinions and of ours they got. It is now up to that person to choose their priorities based on our replies. Madison > Never having touched Fedora, I am left wondering how different from Red > Hat it is. I suspect it is the "geek factor" that may be driving some > people to Fedora. By that I mean, there is a certain amount of bragging > rights that comes with being on the edge, having compiled a kernel, > manually installed modules, etc., not that I am suggesting one has to do > any of these things with Fedora but that distros that attempt to > simplify or eliminate the need to do these things are looked down upon > by some segment of the population. Those bragging rights only mean > something to other similarly inclined individuals. Then there is the > rest of the world where they do not (and should not) give a whit about > this sort of thing. All we have to do is look at the dismissive comments > some people make about OS X to see that mentality at work. > > This reminds me of the headline I saw once said that said "Flash! Number > of Linux Distributions Surpasses Number of Linux Users!" Though it was > meant to be satirical, I think there is some element of truth to it. The > beauty (and curse) of Linux is that it can be customized almost > infinitely to suit one's preferences to the point of even creating one's > own distro. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 04:07:40 2004 From: rufmetal-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Chris Keelan) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:07:40 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114023353.089f3310-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040113235908.11542b50@localhost> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114023353.089f3310@localhost> Message-ID: <20040114230740.702bc330.rufmetal@eol.ca> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:57:48 -0500 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > Funny you should say that. I would pick Mandrake as my number one > choice to give to someone who has never touched Linux before, in fact, > I did on the weekend. My partner, who can turn a computer on, on a good day, is running Slack 9.0 on a previously-loved laptop. "Useability" is going the way of "TCO" as a meaningless marketing term. That's not to say that the points you make about layered levels of control are not valid. To the original poster: I will download and burn both Fedora Core and the free(beer) version of Mdk9.2, if you'd like. You can try each and decide for yourself. Asking about the relative merits of Linux distros invites the ultimate display of partisanship since emacs v. vi. ~ C -- That's like banging rocks together and being proud that you've re-derived fire from first principles. It's boring ~ Jamie Zawinski -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 04:43:11 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:43:11 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <40060938.8070503-0u41DV1aBPo@public.gmane.org> References: <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> <40060938.8070503@tfnet.ca> Message-ID: <1074141791.18513.9.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 22:30, mark wrote: > Hmm, I'm actually sorry I said anything on this thread. . .the asinine > flag-waving patriotism that some feel toward certain linux distrubutions > is something I'd rather not take part in. I tried a few (SuSE, > Mandrake) and currently settled on Mepis. They're not significantly > different. Hey, don't be sorry! That's what this forum is about... discussion. It's interesting to see what distros people are using, and why. People will always be protective of their distro, and comments may come off as "flag-waving"; that's perfectly alright. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It's really all about what you're used to using. For example, I've been using Red Hat Linux for years; since 4.0. While it is not my favourite by any means, it is what I am the most familiar with. Familiarity is a powerful thing. Having to "relearn" a new distribution, with it's unique quirks, startup scripts, way of doing things can be daunting. I also find myself with less and less time to fiddle and hack a distro to do what I want; I like to have stuff working right more or less out of the box. On my to-do list is to try some of the more "hacker" distributions, like true Debian and Gentoo. I've heard some very interesting things about that last one. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linkbayan-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 05:14:05 2004 From: linkbayan-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Alwin Raymundo) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:14:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: fingerprint reader Message-ID: <20040115051405.1180.qmail@web41413.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, I have some question. are there best fingerprint reader hardware/software products for linux? any reommendation/comments will be highly appreciated. Thanks Paul Raymundo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 13:41:34 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:41:34 -0500 Subject: Web based databasing In-Reply-To: <200401142140.33015.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401142140.33015.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <88BD0938-4760-11D8-A1ED-00039310151E@axxent.ca> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 10:40 PM, Garth Meisel wrote: > I'd like to store text only. Record lengths would need to be 200 > characters > spaces included. About 4 cells per record. The other 3 cells need > only be > 30 characters in size. The search will search for matching text. A > very > very very mini Google if you will. This is probably a bit more than you need, but the FAQ might be worth your time even just as a review of features and technology. http://lucene.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/faq/faqmanager.cgi It's a library, so you have to devise a front end for building the data, but you'd have to do that with a database anyway. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 13:55:11 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:55:11 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <20040115002303.GA17651-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040115002303.GA17651@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <200401150855.11038.mr6re9@execulink.com> On Wednesday 14 January 2004 19:23, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 06:30:56PM -0500, GDHough wrote: > > I have had good results using the mencoder portion of MPlayer. I believe > > there is limited support for creating MPEG's with mencoder, but it would > > You must've seen the man pages for mplayer. It has more switches than Bell. I understand there is support for mpeg's, but I haven't tried it yet. > > Does MPLEX do transcoding? I should think that one would have to specify > MPEG-1 encoding with -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video, lest the default mpeg4 > be used. And really, even if MPLEX does transcoding, it'd be silly to > do so if not necessary. Exactly, something the original poster should look into. > > Also the framerate of 25 is more applicable to PAL systems which aren't > that common in Canada. 29.94 (or just 30) would probably be more useful > depending on the display medium. A minor technicality with one pass encoding of stills. What I placed in the post was a quick paste from .bash_history, meant as an example. Perhaps the original poster never even heard of mencoder. I think the actual value is 29.97 for telecined mpeg's. One has to dive into the software to achieve their own personal requirements. The switch -of mpeg is beta, the default is avi. Help from the experts may be found here: http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users And of course, trial and error if the accurate answer is absent. -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 13:56:20 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:56:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <20040114220650.GA2563-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> <20040114220650.GA2563@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <2759.216.138.194.32.1074174980.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca a whois lookup on CIRA shows madisonave.ca as 209.167.86.46 You seem to be mixing up 86 with 68 -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 13:59:53 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:59:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <4005B581.90603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <2774.216.138.194.32.1074175193.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? To have them proofed for errors, yes. I would just send them to one trusted person rather than having the whole list see those though, as your keys shouldn't be published. -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 15:27:36 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:27:36 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? Message-ID: <20040115152736.DMSH337742.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@localhost> > > From: Chris Keelan > Date: 2004/01/14 Wed PM 11:07:40 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Mandrake or Fedora? > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:57:48 -0500 > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > Funny you should say that. I would pick Mandrake as my number one > > choice to give to someone who has never touched Linux before, in fact, > > I did on the weekend. > > My partner, who can turn a computer on, on a good day, is running Slack > 9.0 on a previously-loved laptop. "Useability" is going the way of "TCO" > as a meaningless marketing term. > > That's not to say that the points you make about layered levels of > control are not valid. > > To the original poster: I will download and burn both Fedora Core and > the free(beer) version of Mdk9.2, if you'd like. You can try each and > decide for yourself. Thank you all for your input, it has certainly been an interesting discussion to follow. I think for my uses I would actually be perfectly fine with either distribution. However, since I should be more familiar with Fedora (due to my RH background) I will start with that first and see where that goes. I guess I'll be keeping my cable modem busy over the next day or so :) > > Asking about the relative merits of Linux distros invites the ultimate > display of partisanship since emacs v. vi. > Let's not go there ;) -Matt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 15:48:07 2004 From: blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org (Max Blanco) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:48:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? Message-ID: Hi All, I've been off-list for a month or so, and cannot continue to trim my mailbox daily (as this listserv requires), but am still interested in a "City of Toronto" project, even if I only have time to involve myself peripherally right now. The project makes sense to me as I understand it. Has anyone on this group developed any plan? Does anyone on this group feel it to be a worthwhile project? My involvement can be limited to weekly checkups--kind of in a supervisory capacity--if anyone is interested. While I don't want to make any commitments at the moment, my reluctance is dictated by my overextended limits and not by any problems with the project's substance. I hope to read this list for the rest of the week, and am receptive of off-list emails on the "City of Toronto" project. max. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 15:51:27 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [NTL] Where can a new user get help? In-Reply-To: <40069A44.6DD3AAEB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40069A44.6DD3AAEB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040115161055.717FFE7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> The major impediment to end-users adopting Linux en masse has more to do with the absence of certain applications than the look and feel of Windows. I have users here that leap at Knoppix and Red Hat. I run Fluxbox when I'm using Windows and I get lot's of "oh that's cool" or "boy that's clean". KDE does a pretty good job at dealing with Windows user interface emulation. Then I get these questions: "Can I run Jedi Academy on that?" "Can I run this old estimating package I got for Windows 3.1 on that?" "I like Evolution and I have an iPaq - can I sync my inbox and calendar?" "Does it run Quicken? / Oh does GnuCash download from my bank too?" Linux on the desktop works fine for an average user, but NOT for some users. Linux game ports are what 2% of the total PC Game market? Marketing being what it is, people want to play certain titles, not a half completed open source equivalent. Worms 3 or NiL? My cousin would want Worms 3 no matter what I argue for NiL. Have faith though, Windows was once laughed at by gamers ( I can remember many an Amiga user flaming those with Windows over game support ). Times will change, but slowly. There are going to be a lot of people that need legacy support for their existing environments. MS-DOS suffers from some compatibility options to carry over the CP/M users. Wine is not good enough to run certain specialized programs, and you are not going to move people over if they will be able to do less than they can with the occasional reboot. Plus Windows has come a long way in that regard. I look at the whole discussion about how evil the command line is for scaring users off and remember just how many people here had the Que books on learning MS-DOS. Your average end user can work Linux just fine thank you. The Red Hat installer is about the same difficulty as the Windows XP Installer - trivial. People will learn a new interface if there is a motivation to. Linux could use a boost in the device driver area, but Linuxant seems to be fixing that nicely too, at least until the device vendors clue in. The other area that Linux is better on the desktop is the relative lack of viruses and spyware. Of course those will appear if end-users move to Linux and run as root all the time ( and you KNOW they will, just as everyone seems to want to run as Administrator on Windows). The fact that a particular printer driver may not exist for Linux makes my point. Brain dead hardware and software vendors are not helping Linux at all, and these are basically specialized programs that are missing on Linux. You have companies like HP that claim to support Linux on one hand with their servers, and on the other hand I have an HP Scanner that will probably NEVER have a sane backend. - Greg -- Windows at the office yes. By choice? No. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 16:40:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:40:11 -0500 Subject: [NTL] Where can a new user get help? In-Reply-To: <20040115161055.717FFE7C73-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <40069A44.6DD3AAEB@onlink.net> <20040115161055.717FFE7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <20040115164011.GW7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:51:27AM -0500, Gregory Pleau wrote: [snip] > viruses and spyware. Of course those will appear if end-users move to Linux > and run as root all the time ( and you KNOW they will, just as everyone > seems to want to run as Administrator on Windows). Well if the default user created first by XP wasn't and admin user, perhaps things would be better. Not that being a different user would fix outlook macro viruses at all. That is just dumb programing and design. > The fact that a particular printer driver may not exist for Linux makes my > point. Brain dead hardware and software vendors are not helping Linux at > all, and these are basically specialized programs that are missing on Linux. So don't give them your money. Send them a nice letter saying how you didn't given them your money for product X but got product Y instead because it works with free software. > You have companies like HP that claim to support Linux on one hand with > their servers, and on the other hand I have an HP Scanner that will probably > NEVER have a sane backend. That is why you always buy epson printers and scanners. It's better to support a company with better products that also released programing specs to anyone that wants them. You want hardware makers to change, support the ones that are already doing the right thing. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 17:05:19 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:05:19 -0500 Subject: TORIX Message-ID: <000c01c3db89$c1d06b50$0301a8c0@amazon> http://www.torix.net/ check into this consortium. --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 17:33:12 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:33:12 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? Message-ID: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a W98SE vm (virtual machine). The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found this: Sound Sound output and input Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks not supported) How do I know if my CM8738 is likewise compatible? I don't know where to start googling for that. It's looking more and more like the vm will not run Pro Tools Free (at least not with my soundcard), but I want to figure this out in case I decide to buy a soundcard that will run Pro Tools Free in a W98SE vm. I have posted a similar query on a VMware forum, and I have contacted the webmaster at digidesign (makers of Pro Tools Free) to ask for help registering on their forum as well. Those may give me some VMware and digidesign feedback, but I thought I'd ask linux people as well. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 18:08:56 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:08:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? In-Reply-To: <4006CED8.1B1118CB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a > W98SE vm (virtual machine). > > The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to > wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles > (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software > will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found > this: > > Sound > Sound output and input > Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks > not supported) > > How do I know if my CM8738 is likewise compatible? I don't know where to > start googling for that. Results 1 - 10 of about 5,250. Search took 0.32 seconds. > It's looking more and more like the vm will not run Pro Tools Free (at > least not with my soundcard), but I want to figure this out in case > I decide to buy a soundcard that will run Pro Tools Free in a W98SE vm. Results 1 - 10 of about 130. Search took 0.06 seconds. > I have posted a similar query on a VMware forum, and I have contacted > the webmaster at digidesign (makers of Pro Tools Free) to ask for help > registering on their forum as well. Those may give me some VMware and > digidesign feedback, but I thought I'd ask linux people as well. > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 18:01:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:01:02 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? In-Reply-To: <4006CED8.1B1118CB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040115180102.GX7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:33:12PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a > W98SE vm (virtual machine). > > The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to > wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles > (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software > will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found > this: > > Sound > Sound output and input > Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks > not supported) > > How do I know if my CM8738 is likewise compatible? I don't know where to > start googling for that. > > It's looking more and more like the vm will not run Pro Tools Free (at > least not with my soundcard), but I want to figure this out in case > I decide to buy a soundcard that will run Pro Tools Free in a W98SE vm. > > I have posted a similar query on a VMware forum, and I have contacted > the webmaster at digidesign (makers of Pro Tools Free) to ask for help > registering on their forum as well. Those may give me some VMware and > digidesign feedback, but I thought I'd ask linux people as well. Make sound work in Linux, preferably using alsa. Then add a sound device to your vmware configuration, and install sound blaster pci 128 (or whatever an ess 1371 is) driver in win98 (I suspect install vmware utils menu option may even do that for you) and you should be all set. VMware uses the linux sound devices, and emulates an ess 1371 to the guest OS. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 22:28:30 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:28:30 -0500 Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: <200401131231.36313.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401131231.36313.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: Hello All, I've got a practical problem using emacs remotely. I'm in Xwindows on one redhat linux computer and logged in remotely to a second redhat linux computer where I'm using emacs. The problem I have is that a Xwindows version of emacs comes up. While this add nice features, it takes forever to load remotely. Does anyone know of an easy way that I can specify using a terminal version of emacs? (I tried emacs -t but this seemed to do something else.) Alex ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 22:29:40 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Hello All, > > I've got a practical problem using emacs remotely. > > I'm in Xwindows on one redhat linux computer and logged in remotely to a > second redhat linux computer where I'm using emacs. The problem I have > is that a Xwindows version of emacs comes up. While this add nice > features, it takes forever to load remotely. Does anyone know of an easy > way that I can specify using a terminal version of emacs? > (I tried emacs -t but this seemed to do something else.) emacs -nw -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 22:30:59 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:30:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Max Blanco wrote: > Has anyone on this group developed any plan? On Jan 12th a group of us met at a local restaurant. We are formulating a short document to present to the upcoming budget sessions the council announced recently. > Does anyone on this group feel it to be a worthwhile project? Definitely. Stay tuned for more info. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 22:36:34 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 15 Jan 2004 17:36:34 -0500 Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex Maynard writes: > features, it takes forever to load remotely. Does anyone know of an easy > way that I can specify using a terminal version of emacs? > (I tried emacs -t but this seemed to do something else.) You want easy? unset DISPLAY -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 23:07:25 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:07:25 -0500 Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Thank you. That did the job. Alex On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I've got a practical problem using emacs remotely. > > > > I'm in Xwindows on one redhat linux computer and logged in remotely to a > > second redhat linux computer where I'm using emacs. The problem I have > > is that a Xwindows version of emacs comes up. While this add nice > > features, it takes forever to load remotely. Does anyone know of an easy > > way that I can specify using a terminal version of emacs? > > (I tried emacs -t but this seemed to do something else.) > > emacs -nw > > -- > Chris F.A. Johnson > ================================================================= > cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 23:08:25 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:08:25 -0500 Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matthew, Thanks very much. I'll give that a try too. Does it permanently unset the display or just for that session/log-in? Alex On 15 Jan 2004, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Alex Maynard writes: > > features, it takes forever to load remotely. Does anyone know of an easy > > way that I can specify using a terminal version of emacs? > > (I tried emacs -t but this seemed to do something else.) > > You want easy? > > unset DISPLAY > -- > g. matthew rice starnix inc. > phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 23:28:40 2004 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jim Ruxton) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:28:40 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040115002303.GA17651@idiom.novusordo.net> <200401150855.11038.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <40072228.3030106@passport.ca> Thanks everyone, I'll give these suggestions a try. I have Mplayer but not sure that I have mencoder. I'll try to find it and give it a run. Jim >On Wednesday 14 January 2004 19:23, Taavi Burns wrote: > > >>On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 06:30:56PM -0500, GDHough wrote: >> >> >>>I have had good results using the mencoder portion of MPlayer. I believe >>>there is limited support for creating MPEG's with mencoder, but it would >>> >>> >>> >You must've seen the man pages for mplayer. It has more switches than Bell. I >understand there is support for mpeg's, but I haven't tried it yet. > > >>Does MPLEX do transcoding? I should think that one would have to specify >>MPEG-1 encoding with -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video, lest the default mpeg4 >>be used. And really, even if MPLEX does transcoding, it'd be silly to >>do so if not necessary. >> >> > >Exactly, something the original poster should look into. > > >>Also the framerate of 25 is more applicable to PAL systems which aren't >>that common in Canada. 29.94 (or just 30) would probably be more useful >>depending on the display medium. >> >> > >A minor technicality with one pass encoding of stills. What I placed in the >post was a quick paste from .bash_history, meant as an example. Perhaps the >original poster never even heard of mencoder. I think the actual value is >29.97 for telecined mpeg's. One has to dive into the software to achieve >their own personal requirements. The switch -of mpeg is beta, the default is >avi. > >Help from the experts may be found here: >http://mplayerhq.hu/mailman/listinfo/mplayer-users > >And of course, trial and error if the accurate answer is absent. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 23:31:13 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:31:13 -0700 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <40072228.3030106-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040115002303.GA17651@idiom.novusordo.net> <200401150855.11038.mr6re9@execulink.com> <40072228.3030106@passport.ca> Message-ID: <20040115233113.GA54044@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 06:28:40PM -0500, Jim Ruxton wrote: > Thanks everyone, I'll give these suggestions a try. I have Mplayer but > not sure that I have mencoder. I'll try to find it and give it a run. It probably got installed right alongside mplayer. -- taa Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many in too small a pen. Homosapiens are the only animal that voluntarily does this to themselves. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 15 23:58:56 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:58:56 -0500 Subject: Teksavvy-Doncaster-ISTOP Message-ID: <001101c3dbc3$8a4306e0$0301a8c0@amazon> what is the general alignment structure of these 3 companies? (teksavvy is my adsl provider) --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca VGER directives...To collect...all that is collectable. To sell...all that is saleable.To merchandise...all that is merchandisable. Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 02:56:12 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: remote admdin - downloading Message-ID: <400752CC.6070506@pcsecurityonline.com> Here is a question I have not been able to find the answer to. Using ssh, is ther a way to download items from a site that uses php to control their downloads? ( mambo, nuke, etc ) I unfortunately live in a rural area and am forced to use dial-up so using an x-session over ssh is not feasable ( but I have done it in a pinch ) wget is what I have used in the past for all my downloads but it does not seem to handle php redirects. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cameronb-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 03:26:32 2004 From: cameronb-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA at public.gmane.org (Cameron) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:26:32 -0500 Subject: remote admdin - downloading In-Reply-To: <400752CC.6070506-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <400752CC.6070506@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <400759E8.6060508@nouvelocity.com> Not 100% sure, but links or lynx should be able to handle it. Cameron Jason Shein wrote: > Here is a question I have not been able to find the answer to. > > Using ssh, is ther a way to download items from a site that uses php > to control their downloads? ( mambo, nuke, etc ) > > I unfortunately live in a rural area and am forced to use dial-up so > using an x-session over ssh is not feasable ( but I have done it in a > pinch ) > > wget is what I have used in the past for all my downloads but it does > not seem to handle php redirects. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 03:30:50 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:30:50 -0500 Subject: remote admdin - downloading In-Reply-To: <400759E8.6060508-UqHW2wehKNmfJOJzLBvvIA@public.gmane.org> References: <400752CC.6070506@pcsecurityonline.com> <400759E8.6060508@nouvelocity.com> Message-ID: <40075AEA.7060708@pcsecurityonline.com> Thank-you. Links was exactly what I needed. Cameron wrote: > Not 100% sure, but links or lynx should be able to handle it. > > Cameron > > > Jason Shein wrote: > >> Here is a question I have not been able to find the answer to. >> >> Using ssh, is ther a way to download items from a site that uses php >> to control their downloads? ( mambo, nuke, etc ) >> >> I unfortunately live in a rural area and am forced to use dial-up so >> using an x-session over ssh is not feasable ( but I have done it in a >> pinch ) >> >> wget is what I have used in the past for all my downloads but it does >> not seem to handle php redirects. >> > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 05:06:17 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:06:17 -0500 Subject: Caffe Bickford; thanks everybody Message-ID: <40077149.8060107@sympatico.ca> Just a note of thanks to all who came out to Tuesdays meeting to discuss Caffe Bickford. I'm encouraged to see so many people have expressed interest and offered help and advice. Don't forget; You can always join www.groups.yahoo.com/group/caffebickford to follow the progress and/or participate. all fer now, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 13 22:23:53 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:23:53 +0200 (IST) Subject: Listing *only* directories? In-Reply-To: <20040112234901.D17012-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040112234901.D17012@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: >mkdir tmp >ls -l tmp . .. >ls -ld tmp tmp rwxrw-r-- plp users yada yada What you need must be accomplished using find: find ./ -type d on some machines there is a tiny script that does this. Listing file permissions in octal is also accomplished with find. It can't be done with ls. (see the options to -printf in find manpage). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 11:27:22 2004 From: willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matthew Willis) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:27:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: rcs script help Message-ID: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know where I can find a perl or bash script that will decorate an RCS controlled file so that each line has a prefix with username and version number? I've seen scripts to do this at places I've worked. But I can't find anything like it on google (the closest I found - whodunit.pl - a script to solve a murder mystery). In case it's not clear, I am thinking of output of the form: $ whodunnit foo.c mwillis 1.1 #include mwillis 1.2 #include mwillis 1.1 mwillis 1.1 int main() { mwillis 1.1 double x; dvader 1.3 /* I M YR FTHR */ mwillis 1.1 x = sin(1.2345); mwillis 1.2 printf("%f\n",x); mwillis 1.1 return 0; mwillis 1.1 } Before I end up writing this myself, I figured that somebody on tlug might remember a link? Obligatory Linux-themed link: http://www.spadina.org/tnef.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 14:24:00 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:24:00 -0500 Subject: tiff to MPEG-1 In-Reply-To: <40072228.3030106-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <200401141830.57085.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040115002303.GA17651@idiom.novusordo.net> <200401150855.11038.mr6re9@execulink.com> <40072228.3030106@passport.ca> Message-ID: <20040116142400.GY7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 06:28:40PM -0500, Jim Ruxton wrote: > Thanks everyone, I'll give these suggestions a try. I have Mplayer but > not sure that I have mencoder. I'll try to find it and give it a run. I still think the syntax of my ffmpeg example was much simpler and it worked. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 14:27:09 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:27:09 -0500 Subject: remote admdin - downloading In-Reply-To: <400752CC.6070506-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <400752CC.6070506@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <20040116142709.GZ7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > Here is a question I have not been able to find the answer to. > > Using ssh, is ther a way to download items from a site that uses php to > control their downloads? ( mambo, nuke, etc ) I have no idea how those things work. > I unfortunately live in a rural area and am forced to use dial-up so > using an x-session over ssh is not feasable ( but I have done it in a > pinch ) Could be painful :) What prevents you from running a graphical browser locally connecting to the site possible using an ssh port forward? No point redirecting X when you could just redirect the data. > wget is what I have used in the past for all my downloads but it does > not seem to handle php redirects. wget should work fine if the redirects are done properly (headers only) and not using some stupid meta tag or javascript call. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 15:00:50 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:00:50 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <20040114220650.GA2563-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> <20040114220650.GA2563@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4007FCA2.80707@alteeve.com> Hi again, I can indeed ping the server from my workstation. My resolve.conf is also pointing to the 2 NS servers I am trying to setup by IP address so I think that is okay. Madison William Park wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:32:49PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>[root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca >> >>; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca >>;; global options: printcmd >>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > > > Can you 'ping 209.167.68.46'? If so, then check /etc/resolv.conf. I > suspect that query is going out to your ISP first which blocks it. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 15:01:35 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:01:35 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <2759.216.138.194.32.1074174980.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> <20040114220650.GA2563@node1.opengeometry.net> <2759.216.138.194.32.1074174980.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <4007FCCF.1080303@alteeve.com> Typo, it really is 86... Madison Keith Mastin wrote: >>[root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > > > a whois lookup on CIRA shows madisonave.ca as 209.167.86.46 > > You seem to be mixing up 86 with 68 > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 15:13:56 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:13:56 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4007FFB4.7030707@alteeve.com> Tim Writer wrote: > Madison Kelly writes: > > >> Now, knowing that the DNS servers are not yet available on the web I >> decided to try testting the servers on the LAN behind the firewall. To >> verify that the ports are up and listening I used 'nmap' to check the >> ns1.alteeve.com server; ports 22, 53, 111 and 1026 are accessible (from >> behind the FW only). I have 'named' running, too. > > > What does: > > % netstat -ntul > > on the name server(s) tell you? [root-9sxjOwxo1Bw at public.gmane.org root]# netstat -ntul Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1026 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:1027 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 209.167.86.46:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:6010 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:6011 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1024 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1054 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 209.167.86.46:53 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:870 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* [root-9sxjOwxo1Bw at public.gmane.org root]# >>[root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca >> >>; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca >>;; global options: printcmd >>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > > This is the same result I get when I use dig against an IP know not to be > running a name server so it looks like named isn't running, isn't listening > on that address, or is firewalled. Have you configured named to listen on a > specific address? Are you packet filtering with iptables/ipchains on the > name server? From the outside world, port 53 is currently blocked (which I am trying to get our very frustrating ISP to change). From behind the firewall though I can see it as open when I use nmap: Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2004-01-16 10:05 EST Interesting ports on host.bettermarkets.com (209.167.86.46): (The 1653 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 22/tcp open ssh 53/tcp open domain 111/tcp open rpcbind 1026/tcp open LSA-or-nterm Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 45.076 seconds So I don't think basic communication is the problem. :( >>[root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# >> >>[root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# nslookup >>Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. >>Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with >>the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. >> > server 209.167.86.46 >>Default server: 209.167.86.46 >>Address: 209.167.86.46#53 >> > madisonave.ca >>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > > Note, that's not the same IP as above. > > >> Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? > > > named.conf (or a portion of it) would help. The IP address snafu was a typo... The one directly above is the accurate IP (My bad). Here is my 'named.conf' (I know that at the moment it is very basic); -= /etc/named.conf =- # Written/maintained by Madison Kelly, sysadmin-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org options { directory "/var/named"; listen-on-v6 { any; }; notify no; forward first; forwarders { 209.167.86.53; }; auth-nxdomain yes; listen-on { mynet; }; }; zone "." IN { type hint; file "named.cache"; }; zone "alteeve.com" { type master; file "db.alteeve.com"; }; zone "feneon.com" { type master; file "db.feneon.com"; }; zone "madisonave.ca" { type master; file "db.madisonave.ca"; }; zone "localhost" IN { type master; file "localhost.zone"; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; file "db.127.0.0"; }; zone "86.167.209.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "db.209.167.68"; allow-query { mynet; }; allow-transfer { mynet; }; allow-update { mynet; }; }; -= /etc/named.conf =- Thanks for all the help!! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 15:19:38 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:19:38 -0500 Subject: DNS question In-Reply-To: <2774.216.138.194.32.1074175193.squirrel-16UnNR4aCrhlws70yGkXPA@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> <2774.216.138.194.32.1074175193.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> Message-ID: <4008010A.90705@alteeve.com> Good idea (to post off-list). Does anyone mind me sending the files off to them for guru-review? :) Madison Keith Mastin wrote: > > >> Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? > > > To have them proofed for errors, yes. I would just send them to one > trusted person rather than having the whole list see those though, as your > keys shouldn't be published. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 17:17:19 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 16 Jan 2004 12:17:19 -0500 Subject: slow access using emacs remotely In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex Maynard writes: > Thanks very much. I'll give that a try too. Does it permanently unset the > display or just for that session/log-in? It just unsets it for the shell that is running and any processes that are spawned. You could also unset it in a subshell to make it even more temporary. Something like: (unset DISPLAY;emacs ...) The 'emacs -nw' suggestion is way better. I missed that looking in the man page. I was looking for -nox because there used to be a noxemacs command which seems to have disappeared over the years. HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 19:19:36 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040116112722.36646.qmail-UDzrhyuZelWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Matthew Willis wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a perl or bash > script that will decorate an RCS controlled file so > that each line has a prefix with username and version > number? > > I've seen scripts to do this at places I've worked. > But I can't find anything like it on google (the > closest I found - whodunit.pl - a script to solve a > murder mystery). In case it's not clear, I am thinking > of output of the form: > > $ whodunnit foo.c > > mwillis 1.1 #include > mwillis 1.2 #include > mwillis 1.1 > mwillis 1.1 int main() { > mwillis 1.1 double x; dvader 1.3 /* I M YR FTHR */ > mwillis 1.1 x = sin(1.2345); > mwillis 1.2 printf("%f\n",x); > mwillis 1.1 return 0; > mwillis 1.1 } > > Before I end up writing this myself, I figured that > somebody on tlug might remember a link? name=$USER version=1.2 sed "s/^/$name $version /" FILE > tempfile && mv tempfile FILE -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 16 22:22:11 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:22:11 -0500 Subject: First speedbump passed - Re:DNS question In-Reply-To: <4005B581.90603-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4005B581.90603@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <40086413.9000903@alteeve.com> Hi all, For the archives; The problem turned out to be the result of 'named' not having write permissions to it's default directory of '/var/run/named/named.pid' thus not being able to create that file (named.pid). I used; options { ... pid-file "/var/named/named.pid"; ... }; 'named' has write permissions there so all is good. I am not sure yet what possible security issues may resolve from this but I will worry about that before going live as I refine the config. Thanks all for (yet again) putting up with my endless questions! Madison (PS - Was TLUG essentially dead today or did I not get any messages from TLUG?) Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am venturing tentatively and carefully into DNS (Bind 9.2.2) with > the help of my trusty O'Reilly book but I have hit a snag that I am > hoping someone here might be able to help me over. Here's the setup: > > I have two machines on two public IP addresses (209.167.86.46 = > ns1.alteeve.com, 209.167.86.38 = ns2.alteeve.com) which currently are > behind a firewall blocking port 53 (I am waiting for our ISP admins to > respond to fix that). In the mean time though I have made pretty sure > that the config file and zone files are okay (using 'named-checkconf' > and 'named-checkzone') and everything looks okay. > > Now, knowing that the DNS servers are not yet available on the web I > decided to try testting the servers on the LAN behind the firewall. To > verify that the ports are up and listening I used 'nmap' to check the > ns1.alteeve.com server; ports 22, 53, 111 and 1026 are accessible (from > behind the FW only). I have 'named' running, too. > > Now despite all this when I try to use 'dig' or 'nslookup' (specifying > the local IP as the server as the name 'ns[1|2].alteeve.com' will not > resolve until the DNS servers are live) I get server timeout (can't > connect). Now, the DNS is configured for the zone 'madisonave.ca' so > that is what I try to resolve in the following examples of what goes wrong: > > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# > > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# nslookup > Note: nslookup is deprecated and may be removed from future releases. > Consider using the `dig' or `host' programs instead. Run nslookup with > the `-sil[ent]' option to prevent this message from appearing. > > server 209.167.86.46 > Default server: 209.167.86.46 > Address: 209.167.86.46#53 > > madisonave.ca > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > > > Would it help if I posted 'named.conf' and zone files? > > Thanks everyone! > > Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 00:58:17 2004 From: roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: 16 Jan 2004 19:58:17 -0500 Subject: Thanks Every One Message-ID: <1074301093.2877.14.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi I just want to say Thanks to all of you who helped me since I joined the club. I really like linux and the ease of use once you get to learn a little bit about to use it. After a big seven months I can say that it is worth the effort to learn and use. Thanks everyone Stephen Oulton -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 04:22:31 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:22:31 -0500 Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4008B887.9060700@sympatico.ca> Robert Brockway wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Max Blanco wrote: > > > >>Has anyone on this group developed any plan? >> >> > >On Jan 12th a group of us met at a local restaurant. We are formulating a >short document to present to the upcoming budget sessions the council >announced recently. > > > >>Does anyone on this group feel it to be a worthwhile project? >> >> This is a vital project for the future and freedoms we enjoy here in Toronto, and by extension, in Canada. Our new municipal government is at a crossroads that will take us all into permanent vendor lock-in OR a new era of Open Source based sanity. > >Definitely. > >Stay tuned for more info. > >Rob > > > Robert, have we moved on applying for a spot in the upcoming round of public discussion ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 04:28:14 2004 From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:28:14 -0500 Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4008738E.14994.DA29A8@localhost> Robert, FYI References for City of Toronto project Open Systems at Newport News, Va.: http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2004/01/15/andy_stein_interview.html Open Government Interoperability: http://ogip.org/ ---- Duncan MacGregor -- Toronto -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 04:54:14 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:54:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: encrypting Message-ID: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> I have a text file that changes on a regular basis, say once a day. I'd like to a) securely encrypt it b) erase original text file c) put encrypted file on the Internet wait until another change has been made d) download it from the Internet e) decrypt it f) edit the resulting text file go back to step a) and start over also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to anyone trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? What would you suggest? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 05:01:06 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:01:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117045414.94680.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to anyone > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? See the shred(1) manual page. (Present on Red Hat 7.2, can't answer for other distributions.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 05:40:43 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:40:43 -0700 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117045414.94680.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040117054043.GA1208@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:54:14PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote: > b) erase original text file > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to anyone > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? If it's going to disappear all that fast, then why even put it on the HD? /dev/shm on my machine works like a ramdisk. Delete it from there, and it's pretty herd to recover. -- taa Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 05:52:39 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn - Lists) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:52:39 -0500 Subject: mailing list for toronto community co-location Message-ID: <1074318759.1947.103.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> This is the last time I'll spam the lists, I swear... because I've gone ahead and created a mailing list to discuss Toronto community co-location, where all interested parties can talk about the specifics on how we can advance this project. Please see: http://lists.dreaming.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community-colo - Julian -- -- Julian C. Dunn -- Director of Operations -- The Dreaming Electronic Community Network, Inc. -- Support e-mail: support-50k5kYnWtIlg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org -- WWW: http://www.dreaming.org/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 06:09:22 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:09:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hmm, looks like it was an interesting command, but from the man page, it says it doesn't work effectively with journaled filesystems. On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to anyone > > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? > > See the shred(1) manual page. (Present on Red Hat 7.2, can't answer for > other distributions.) > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 06:22:54 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:22:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? Message-ID: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> hi, i set up /usr directory too small, now it run out of space. i have spare space around in the same drive. how do i add it to /usr ? here is du -h and fdisk -l output: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 486M 88M 373M 19% / /dev/hda1 23M 2.7M 18M 13% /boot /dev/hda2 1.4G 122M 1.2G 9% /home none 30M 0 30M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10 114M 4.1M 103M 4% /tmp /dev/hda6 486M 333M 128M 73% /usr /dev/hda3 1.2G 34M 1.0G 3% /usr/local /dev/hda9 190M 13M 167M 7% /var /dev/hda8 486M 8.1M 453M 2% /var/mail Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 3 24066 83 Linux /dev/hda2 4 194 1534207+ 83 Linux /dev/hda3 195 347 1228972+ 83 Linux /dev/hda4 348 788 3542332+ 5 Extended /dev/hda5 348 412 522081 82 Linux swap /dev/hda6 413 476 514048+ 83 Linux /dev/hda7 477 540 514048+ 83 Linux /dev/hda8 541 604 514048+ 83 Linux /dev/hda9 605 629 200781 83 Linux /dev/hda10 630 644 120456 83 Linux i thought of creating a new ext3 filesystem from 655 to 788, and copy all content of /usr to it. then mount the new drive as /usr. is it doable ? what are other good choices ? thanks Qiang. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 15:44:21 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:44:21 -0500 Subject: Cheap Linux Laptops In-Reply-To: <200401141830.57085.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> Message-ID: <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> Below is from an email list I subscribe to. 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There's even a site ( ) dedicated to helping people get a refund on Windows operating system software from PC manufactures when replacing a notebook operating system with Linux. RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS Elitegroup Computer systems http://www.ecs.com.tw/ On 14 Jan 2004 at 18:30, GDHough wrote: > I have had good results using the mencoder portion of MPlayer. I believe there > is limited support for creating MPEG's with mencoder, but it would be better > to build an AVI container and then convert to MPEG-1 with some other tool. > > Create an AVI from all TIFF's in a directory: > > [farmer6re9]$ mencoder \*.tiff -mf on:fps=25:type=tiff -o temp.avi -ovc lavc > -lavcopts vbitrate=1800:vhq:keyint=132 > > Then use something like mplex to convert to MPEG-1, although I've never tried > it myself. > > MPLEX http://www.bebits.com/app/1915 > MPLEX HOW-TO http://www.silvan.demon.co.uk/beos/mplex-how-to.html > MPLAYER http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/DOCS > > On Wednesday 14 January 2004 10:37, Jim Ruxton wrote: > > Curious if any of you know how I would convert a tiff file to an MPEG-1 > > file. The device I'm using to display an image only accepts MPEG-1 and I > > only have a tiff available (although I could convert it to another image > > type using Gimp). The MPEG file only needs to be about 10 seconds long. > > You could do conversions with the GIMP. I prefer to use a one-liner: > > mogrify -format jpeg *.tiff > HTH > farmer6re9 > -- > Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 16:14:37 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:14:37 -0500 Subject: Mandrake or Fedora? In-Reply-To: <40060938.8070503-0u41DV1aBPo@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <20040113223250.21649E7C73@gateway.vipond.ca> <4004BF14.2000302@alteeve.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20040114025207.11128e38@localhost> <40060938.8070503@tfnet.ca> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040117105314.109e5e40@localhost> At 22:30 14/01/2004 -0500, mark wrote: >CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > >>At 23:18 13/01/2004 -0500, mark wrote: >> >>>I likewise had Mandrake, >> >> >>For how long? >> >>>and wasn't that impressed. >> >> >>What was unimpressive about it? >> >>>I switched to Mepis, which I like (the apt-get utility is amazing!). >>>Like Fedora, Mepis is free. I have not tried Fedora, but I hear good >>>things about it. >> >> >>Mepis does indeed look mildly interesting but it is hardly a replacement >>for more established distros like Red Hat, Mandrake, or SuSE. I have >>downloaded and will take a look but I have to wonder why the world needs >>Mepis. I guess I will find out. >Hmm, I'm actually sorry I said anything on this thread. . .the asinine >flag-waving patriotism that some feel toward certain linux distrubutions >is something I'd rather not take part in. I tried a few (SuSE, Mandrake) >and currently settled on Mepis. They're not significantly different. How ironic that you should rudely characterize what I have written as "asinine flag-waving" and claim that you would rather not participate and participate. Can the invocation of Godwin's Law be far behind? Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 16:45:47 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:45:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > See the shred(1) manual page... > > hmm, looks like it was an interesting command, but from the man page, it > says it doesn't work effectively with journaled filesystems. Unfortunately true. It does about the best that can be done without active cooperation from the filesystem, but it does require a certain amount of passive cooperation, and the fancier modern filesystems don't provide it. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 15:01:03 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:01:03 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117045414.94680.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040117150103.GB7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:54:14PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote: > I have a text file that changes on a regular basis, say once a day. > > I'd like to > a) securely encrypt it > b) erase original text file > c) put encrypted file on the Internet > wait until another change has been made > d) download it from the Internet > e) decrypt it > f) edit the resulting text file > go back to step a) and start over > > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to anyone > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? > > What would you suggest? Is this going to be automated or done manually? if it going to be automated it gets much more complex. gpg makes sense for encrypting I think, depending on how many people need to be able to retrieve and decrypt it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 14:58:23 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:58:23 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117062254.65302.qmail-ss9mBXhuCQ6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:22:54PM -0800, James wrote: > i set up /usr directory too small, now it run out of space. i have spare space around in the same > drive. how do i add it to /usr ? > > here is du -h and fdisk -l output: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda7 486M 88M 373M 19% / > /dev/hda1 23M 2.7M 18M 13% /boot > /dev/hda2 1.4G 122M 1.2G 9% /home > none 30M 0 30M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda10 114M 4.1M 103M 4% /tmp > /dev/hda6 486M 333M 128M 73% /usr > /dev/hda3 1.2G 34M 1.0G 3% /usr/local > /dev/hda9 190M 13M 167M 7% /var > /dev/hda8 486M 8.1M 453M 2% /var/mail > > > Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hda1 * 1 3 24066 83 Linux > /dev/hda2 4 194 1534207+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda3 195 347 1228972+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda4 348 788 3542332+ 5 Extended > /dev/hda5 348 412 522081 82 Linux swap > /dev/hda6 413 476 514048+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda7 477 540 514048+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda8 541 604 514048+ 83 Linux > /dev/hda9 605 629 200781 83 Linux > /dev/hda10 630 644 120456 83 Linux > > > i thought of creating a new ext3 filesystem from 655 to 788, and copy all content of /usr to it. > then mount the new drive as /usr. > > is it doable ? what are other good choices ? If there is space left on the drive for that, it is probably the simplest. That is one insane amount of partitions, most of which are way smaller that I would ever have considered reasonable. Having seperate /tmp is sometimes good, seperate /var is good if you store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut off, /home seperate makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using quotas, having /usr seperate from / really doesn't accomplish anything useful, and seperate /boot makes sense for cases where /boot needs a different filesystem or your bios is old and crappy. A database server or something may make sense to store it's data somewhere seperate too. I tend to do swap, / and /data and I symlink any large things into /data. Keeps life simple and quite reliable. Using LVM and resizeable filesystems is another way to deal with it and quite useful to learn. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 17:20:11 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:20:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117150103.GB7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117150103.GB7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040117172011.31225.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:54:14PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote: > > I have a text file that changes on a regular basis, say once a > day. > > > > I'd like to > > a) securely encrypt it > > b) erase original text file > > c) put encrypted file on the Internet > > wait until another change has been made > > d) download it from the Internet > > e) decrypt it > > f) edit the resulting text file > > go back to step a) and start over > > > > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to > anyone > > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? > > > > What would you suggest? > > Is this going to be automated or done manually? It will be done manually > > if it going to be automated it gets much more complex. > > gpg makes sense for encrypting I think, depending on how many people > need to be able to retrieve and decrypt it. I am the only one that will be using the file > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mmurray-Dxt6bYU2+dosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 17:34:59 2004 From: mmurray-Dxt6bYU2+dosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Michael Murray) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:34:59 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117150103.GB7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117150103.GB7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8C@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> Seems to me that this is something that could be scripted somewhat easily using either a somewhat sophisticated bash script, or something in python or perl. It's trivial (though time consuming) to do manually, and I'm always one to spend the time up-front automating something like this, if it's to be done often. > > I'd like to > > a) securely encrypt it As someone else suggested, gpg would be good for this. > > b) erase original text file http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ > > c) put encrypted file on the Internet Easy to script using SSH, curl, or any other mechanism. SSH with key exchange gives you the freedom to upload and download interactively. > > wait until another change has been made Auto-detection using MD5 checksums... > > d) download it from the Internet > > e) decrypt it See above. > > f) edit the resulting text file Vi. Emacs if you're insane. ;) > if it going to be automated it gets much more complex. I don't think that it's that complex to script up so that it happens automatically. I had a relatively simple version of this scripted in about 25 minutes, but it wasn't close to prime-time, so I didn't post it here. M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 17:38:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:38:10 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8C-xAQg3SmZq4MJlDyuoZ44v9+IiqhCXseY@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117150103.GB7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8C@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> Message-ID: <20040117173810.GC7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:34:59PM -0500, Michael Murray wrote: > Seems to me that this is something that could be scripted somewhat easily > using either a somewhat sophisticated bash script, or something in python or > perl. > > It's trivial (though time consuming) to do manually, and I'm always one to > spend the time up-front automating something like this, if it's to be done > often. Writing a script that only has to ask for gpg passphrases does make sense. > As someone else suggested, gpg would be good for this. Except you can't automate it then. You have to type in the passphrase to do the encryption/decryption. You can automate the rest of course. > http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ Doubtful to be reliable on a journaled filesystem. [snip rest which makes good sense] Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 17:50:24 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: and we lost the nice undelete feature in midnight commander too, oh well, better have backups I guess:) On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > See the shred(1) manual page... > > > > hmm, looks like it was an interesting command, but from the man page, it > > says it doesn't work effectively with journaled filesystems. > > Unfortunately true. It does about the best that can be done without active > cooperation from the filesystem, but it does require a certain amount of > passive cooperation, and the fancier modern filesystems don't provide it. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mmurray-Dxt6bYU2+dosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 18:08:23 2004 From: mmurray-Dxt6bYU2+dosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Michael Murray) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:08:23 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117173810.GC7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117173810.GC7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> > -----Original Message----- > Except you can't automate it then. You have to type in the > passphrase to do the encryption/decryption. You can automate > the rest of course. Actually, you could whip up a quick expect script to even automate this part if you really wanted to (although the security of that is obviously non-existant). > > http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ > > Doubtful to be reliable on a journaled filesystem. Good point. The author points that out... I just hadn't read far enough when I hit the send button. This has me thinking: shouldn't it be possible to do a byte-by-byte overwrite of the file in place? Or am I misunderstanding the way that the journal works... Will the journal reallocate blocks that are currently allocated to a file? Just thinking out loud, and showing my ignorance on the way JFSes work... M -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 18:26:08 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:26:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E-xAQg3SmZq4MJlDyuoZ44v9+IiqhCXseY@public.gmane.org> References: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Michael Murray wrote: > This has me thinking: shouldn't it be possible to do a byte-by-byte > overwrite of the file in place? Or am I misunderstanding the way that the > journal works... Will the journal reallocate blocks that are currently > allocated to a file? In general, yes, although details depend on the exact design. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 18:41:14 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:41:14 -0600 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117145823.GA7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200401171241.14466.Garth@Webostics.com> >That is one insane amount of partitions, most of which are > way smaller that I would ever have considered reasonable. >seperate /var is good if you store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut >off, /home seperate makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using >quotas Glad somebody else said it too. Truth is, if you're not too far into the installation (if I remember right and the private message sent you), I'd start over. You're doing the RH 7.3 right? It doesn't take long to install without such an unnecessary partition system. There's better ways to harden a system than that type of partitioning. -- Garth Meisel http://www.Webostics.com GPG fingerprint 95FE F1DE B013 0F98 1135 33F1 390C D9F5 CDAD B92F -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 18:53:43 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: offtopic: Apache 2.0 and C++ books Message-ID: I have these 2 books that I want to do something with since i'm moving, they were never used. Best offer gets it. Sams tech yourself C++ in 21 days Professional Apache 2.0 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 19:12:53 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:12:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117145823.GA7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040117191253.49924.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> > If there is space left on the drive for that, it is probably the > simplest. That is one insane amount of partitions, most of which are > way smaller that I would ever have considered reasonable. > > Having seperate /tmp is sometimes good, seperate /var is good if you > store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut off, /home seperate > makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using quotas, having > /usr seperate from / really doesn't accomplish anything useful, and > seperate /boot makes sense for cases where /boot needs a different > filesystem or your bios is old and crappy. A database server or > something may make sense to store it's data somewhere seperate too. i used to have this system installed with RH7.2. three partitions root boot swap now i have learned more about linux than 3 years ago, i want to rebuild this system. having a larg /home is for the samba PDC server. /var/mail is for postfix mail server. /boot is a small partition 20M and no harm to have it. i agree having /usr/local seperate from /usr is not necessary in my case. > I tend to do swap, / and /data and I symlink any large things into > /data. Keeps life simple and quite reliable. Using LVM and resizeable > filesystems is another way to deal with it and quite useful to learn. sounds just like what i had before. 3 partitions. what does yours different from a simple 3 partitions? i have seen LVM while google for answer( kernel support needed ? given that /usr is too small, can i build kernel in other directory than /usr ? ) i will take a further look. > Lennart Sorensen thanks. Qiang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 19:17:20 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:17:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <200401171241.14466.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401171241.14466.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040117191720.44830.qmail@web40204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Garth Meisel wrote: > > >That is one insane amount of partitions, most of which are > > way smaller that I would ever have considered reasonable. > > >seperate /var is good if you store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut > >off, /home seperate makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using > >quotas > > > Glad somebody else said it too. > Truth is, if you're not too far into the installation (if I remember right and > the private message sent you), I'd start over. You're doing the RH 7.3 > right? It doesn't take long to install without such an unnecessary partition > system. There's better ways to harden a system than that type of > partitioning. what private message ? indeed i just reinstall RH7.2. why having seperate partition is bad now ?? what's the better way ? > Garth Meisel http://www.Webostics.com sorry, too many question marks :) Qiang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 21:04:48 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:04:48 +0200 (IST) Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? Message-ID: What sound drivers does Debian use ? OSS ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 21:35:32 2004 From: kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Kristofer Coward) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:35:32 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040117213531.GE16763@melon.org> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 11:45:47AM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Justin Zygmont wrote: > > > See the shred(1) manual page... > > > > hmm, looks like it was an interesting command, but from the man page, it > > says it doesn't work effectively with journaled filesystems. > > Unfortunately true. It does about the best that can be done without active > cooperation from the filesystem, but it does require a certain amount of > passive cooperation, and the fancier modern filesystems don't provide it. OTOH, there are also fancier new filesystem options in 2.6 that are so actively cooperative that shred isn't even necessary anymore. Actually, 2.6 has a _lot_ of security/crypto features that were kept ouf of earlier (mainstream) kernels for fear of political problems. -- Kristofer Coward http://unripe.melon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 2BF3 957D 310A FEEC 4733 830E 21A4 05C7 1FEB 12B3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 17 22:19:49 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:19:49 -0500 Subject: Thanks Every One References: <1074301093.2877.14.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <4009B505.AF17FEC9@onlink.net> Stephen wrote: > Hi I just want to say Thanks to all of you who helped me since I joined > the club. > > I really like linux and the ease of use once you get to learn a little > bit about to use it. Easy to use after you know how to use it. ; 0 ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 00:23:19 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:23:19 -0500 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040116112722.36646.qmail-UDzrhyuZelWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117192059.02ce6e10@mail.interlog.com> At 06:27 AM 01/16/2004, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a perl or bash >script that will decorate an RCS controlled file so >that each line has a prefix with username and version >number? I can't say I have heard of such a script/program. Its likely you will have to write one yourself. Do you really need to know who last checked in a given line of code and in what version of the file for every line in a file? Could you not get the information you might need through a detailed ChangeLog file? Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 02:33:50 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:33:50 -0500 Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401172133.50603.fraser@wehave.net> On January 17, 2004 04:04 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > What sound drivers does Debian use ? OSS ? Whichever ones you want it to. 2.4 kernels come only with OSS drivers as far as I know. Do an "apt-cache search alsa" and you'll see modules for alsa that can be installed if that is what you want. If you're running kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 then you would have to "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686". If you're running the 2.6 kernel you get your choice of alsa or oss drivers. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 02:56:19 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:56:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8C-xAQg3SmZq4MJlDyuoZ44v9+IiqhCXseY@public.gmane.org> References: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8C@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> Message-ID: <20040118025619.97198.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Michael Murray wrote: > Seems to me that this is something that could be scripted somewhat > easily > using either a somewhat sophisticated bash script, or something in > python or > perl. > > It's trivial (though time consuming) to do manually, and I'm always > one to > spend the time up-front automating something like this, if it's to be > done > often. > > > > I'd like to > > > a) securely encrypt it > > As someone else suggested, gpg would be good for this. > > > > b) erase original text file > > http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ > > > > c) put encrypted file on the Internet > > Easy to script using SSH, curl, or any other mechanism. SSH with key > exchange gives you the freedom to upload and download interactively. > > > > wait until another change has been made > > Auto-detection using MD5 checksums... Checksums are a smart idea. I don't think I'll need it for this problem but a good way to tell if a file changed. Thanks. --- snip --- ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 03:01:34 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:01:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117045414.94680.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040118030134.5010.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> ********** I've got a lot of messages to read and digest. Thanks for all the help from everyone. If you think of other/additional ideas please advise me. ********** --- Mel Seder wrote: > I have a text file that changes on a regular basis, say once a day. > > I'd like to > a) securely encrypt it > b) erase original text file ********** The original text file above will be on my pc and putting it on a ram drive seems like a good idea. ********** > c) put encrypted file on the Internet > wait until another change has been made > d) download it from the Internet > e) decrypt it > f) edit the resulting text file > go back to step a) and start over > > also, is there a way to erase a text file so that it useless to > anyone > trying to take a peek at it after it has been deleted? > > What would you suggest? > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 03:28:14 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:28:14 -0500 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E-xAQg3SmZq4MJlDyuoZ44v9+IiqhCXseY@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117173810.GC7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> Message-ID: <20040118032814.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 01:08:23PM -0500, Michael Murray wrote: > Actually, you could whip up a quick expect script to even automate this part > if you really wanted to (although the security of that is obviously > non-existant). Then there would be no point wiping the plain text file would there? :) > Good point. The author points that out... I just hadn't read far enough > when I hit the send button. > > This has me thinking: shouldn't it be possible to do a byte-by-byte > overwrite of the file in place? Or am I misunderstanding the way that the > journal works... Will the journal reallocate blocks that are currently > allocated to a file? > > Just thinking out loud, and showing my ignorance on the way JFSes work... Reiserfs 3.x will overwrite files in place (this is why reiserfs is able to get very messy file corruption with a partially rewritten file when the system looses power, even though the meta data is completely intact). Fully journalled filesystems (ext3 can be, xfs is, jfs is), will not touch existing file data until all new data is fully commited to disk in unused blocks. They do allocate and copy old blocks rather than allow overwrites. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 03:38:13 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:38:13 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117191720.44830.qmail-FiucmvnviNqA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <200401171241.14466.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040117191720.44830.qmail@web40204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040118033813.GE7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, James wrote: > indeed i just reinstall RH7.2. > > why having seperate partition is bad now ?? Because having 10GB free on /home when you have 0GB free on /usr sucks, and most people don't know how much space they will need for everything when they set it up. For things like solaris it used to be normal to set things up with that many partitions because of the crappy upgrade system they had, and even then the root partition size recomended for one version was often too small a couple of versions down the road and then you could back up your data, wipe the system and start all over. > what's the better way ? If something is likely to use a lot of space, having it on a seperate partition makes sense. If something must not ever fill up because of other uses, it can have a seperate partition (logs for example). My prefered system is, about 10GB for / and the reset as /data, then I link /var/lib/postgresql into /data, and /var/log into /data at least for web logs and such that grow a lot, and /tmp goes into /data or tmpfs. If the system has user accounts that login, /home goes on /data too. This way anything large, goes on the large partition, and the OS/applications go on /. Simple, efficient, easy to manage, easier to resize later if it ever does become necesary. 117 partitions is an obsolete unix setup that doesn't make sense with todays setups with nice package management and such. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 03:42:03 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:42:03 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117191253.49924.qmail-n4ilzKb4UWqA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040117191253.49924.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040118034203.GF7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 11:12:53AM -0800, James wrote: > i used to have this system installed with RH7.2. three partitions root boot swap > now i have learned more about linux than 3 years ago, i want to rebuild this system. > > having a larg /home is for the samba PDC server. > /var/mail is for postfix mail server. > /boot is a small partition 20M and no harm to have it. > i agree having /usr/local seperate from /usr is not necessary in my case. If it is a busy mail server, having a seperate dir may make sense. Depends how much mail you are handling and storing. I hate seperate /boot. What if I want to store 35MB of kernels and initrds? Now where am I supposed to store them if /boot is full. It's not useful in general (I do use them with software raid1 to get around boot loader limitations, where I make it 64MB or so). > sounds just like what i had before. 3 partitions. what does yours different from a simple 3 > partitions? I won't seperate /usr from /, /usr/local I don't have much use for so I don't worry about it either. /usr/src is a bit of an unfortunate invention that probably should be somewhere else. > i have seen LVM while google for answer( kernel support needed ? given that /usr is too small, can > i build kernel in other directory than /usr ? ) i will take a further look. You can build your kernel anywhere you want. It doesn't care. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 03:43:23 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:43:23 -0500 Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040118034323.GG7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 11:04:48PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > What sound drivers does Debian use ? OSS ? Debian gives you choice of ALSA and OSS. Debian doesn't tell you what to do. Hence why it ships with half a dozen mail servers. :) Use ALSA whenever possible. Seems more cpu efficient, has more features, more complete support, and better maintained. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 04:56:18 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:56:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040118033813.GE7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040118033813.GE7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Because having 10GB free on /home when you have 0GB free on /usr sucks... But the flip side of that is that having space free in places like /usr and /var and /tmp, even when somebody accidentally fills up /home, is a Good Thing. Sometimes having free space chopped up into separate pools is helpful. I go for at least a three-way split -- /, /home, /tmp -- and would typically make it four by adding /var (so that / is fairly quiet). If you do backups with a whole-filesystem utility like dump, it's also convenient to have an area that's exempt from normal backups, for big stuff that can be regenerated as needed. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 05:53:43 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:53:43 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117145823.GA7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> On January 17, 2004 09:58 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Having seperate /tmp is sometimes good, seperate /var is good if you > store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut off, /home seperate > makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using quotas, having > /usr seperate from / really doesn't accomplish anything useful, and Advantages of /usr separate from / : - ability to mount /usr read-only (I don't think / can be read-only because of /etc/mtab at least). I think anything that can be read-only should be, makes things a _little_ trickier for the exploit of the week. - if you're using lvm and/or software raid you might wish to keep /usr separate ... at least lvm on / isn't highly recommended from what I hear. > /data. Keeps life simple and quite reliable. Using LVM and resizeable > filesystems is another way to deal with it and quite useful to learn. Absolutely. I haven't tried lvm yet but I do hear good things about it. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 15:52:07 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:52:07 -0500 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040116112722.36646.qmail-UDzrhyuZelWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040118155207.GO18974@paip.net> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:27:22AM -0800, Matthew Willis wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a perl or bash > script that will decorate an RCS controlled file so > that each line has a prefix with username and version > number? > > I've seen scripts to do this at places I've worked. > But I can't find anything like it on google (the > closest I found - whodunit.pl - a script to solve a > murder mystery). In case it's not clear, I am thinking > of output of the form: > > $ whodunnit foo.c > > mwillis 1.1 #include > mwillis 1.2 #include > mwillis 1.1 > mwillis 1.1 int main() { > mwillis 1.1 double x; > dvader 1.3 /* I M YR FTHR */ > mwillis 1.1 x = sin(1.2345); > mwillis 1.2 printf("%f\n",x); > mwillis 1.1 return 0; > mwillis 1.1 } > > Before I end up writing this myself, I figured that > somebody on tlug might remember a link? If you use the cvs wrappers over the bare RCS, then "cvs annotate foo.c" does exactly that. But I don't know if you can coerce it to do it over base RCS. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 18:49:44 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:49:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Robert Brockway | On Jan 12th a group of us met at a local restaurant. We are formulating a | short document to present to the upcoming budget sessions the council | announced recently. Sorry that I'm not able to be active in this. Sounds like a neat project! I have a little (bad) experience with this kind of thing. It suggests that waiting for a public meeting is way too late. Real decision making is too messy to be done in public. Most decisions are made before the public meetings. At the very least, groundwork for the decisions is laid before the meeting; that groundwork determines the outcome of the meeting. This is why lobbying is necessary. Note: I'm not saying that lobbying is evil. I think that the system actually make sense. The decisions are way too complex to be laid out and solved within a meeting. I strongly suggest that folks find out who the players are in this decision and meet with them to explore what is possible. Lobbying should be a two way street: you need to listen as well as talk. They have an idea (I hope) of what functionality they need. You might be able to help them refine or adjust this. Then there is the question of mechanisms to meet those needs. I suspect that the worst problem is that they have an idea of what solutions they want rather than what problems they wish to solve. You need to talk to politicians AND staff. I suspect it is going to take some digging to find out to whom it is worth talking. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 19:36:31 2004 From: jay-ZPnsNkHkFjk at public.gmane.org (Jason Carson) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:36:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040117145823.GA7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <51118.66.11.182.5.1074454591.squirrel@cbits.ca> > On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:22:54PM -0800, James wrote: >> i set up /usr directory too small, now it run out of space. i have spare >> space around in the same >> drive. how do i add it to /usr ? >> >> here is du -h and fdisk -l output: >> >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda7 486M 88M 373M 19% / >> /dev/hda1 23M 2.7M 18M 13% /boot >> /dev/hda2 1.4G 122M 1.2G 9% /home >> none 30M 30M 0% /dev/shm >> /dev/hda10 114M 4.1M 103M 4% /tmp >> /dev/hda6 486M 333M 128M 73% /usr >> /dev/hda3 1.2G 34M 1.0G 3% /usr/local >> /dev/hda9 190M 13M 167M 7% /var >> /dev/hda8 486M 8.1M 453M 2% /var/mail >> >> >> Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 788 cylinders >> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/hda1 * 1 3 24066 83 Linux >> /dev/hda2 4 194 1534207+ 83 Linux >> /dev/hda3 195 347 1228972+ 83 Linux >> /dev/hda4 348 788 3542332+ 5 Extended >> /dev/hda5 348 412 522081 82 Linux swap >> /dev/hda6 413 476 514048+ 83 Linux >> /dev/hda7 477 540 514048+ 83 Linux >> /dev/hda8 541 604 514048+ 83 Linux >> /dev/hda9 605 629 200781 83 Linux >> /dev/hda10 630 644 120456 83 Linux >> >> >> i thought of creating a new ext3 filesystem from 655 to 788, and copy >> all content of /usr to it. >> then mount the new drive as /usr. >> >> is it doable ? what are other good choices ? > > If there is space left on the drive for that, it is probably the > simplest. That is one insane amount of partitions, most of which are > way smaller that I would ever have considered reasonable. > > Having seperate /tmp is sometimes good, seperate /var is good if you > store lots of logs and don't want to getting cut off, /home seperate > makes sense if you have lots of users and are not using quotas, having > /usr seperate from / really doesn't accomplish anything useful, and > seperate /boot makes sense for cases where /boot needs a different > filesystem or your bios is old and crappy. A database server or > something may make sense to store it's data somewhere seperate too. Yep, thats what I have / /boot /home /usr /var /tmp Initally I just had / and /home but then I had a problem and couldn't recover anything in / so I divided it up. > I tend to do swap, / and /data and I symlink any large things into > /data. Keeps life simple and quite reliable. Using LVM and resizeable > filesystems is another way to deal with it and quite useful to learn. > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 19:59:21 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:59:21 -0700 Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040118032814.GD7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117173810.GC7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <8A72E69E1F79004B82F76F228B3F2923316D8E@corp-mail01.ncircle.com> <20040118032814.GD7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040118195921.GB66446@idiom.novusordo.net> On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > intact). Fully journalled filesystems (ext3 can be, xfs is, jfs is), > will not touch existing file data until all new data is fully commited > to disk in unused blocks. They do allocate and copy old blocks rather > than allow overwrites. For fully jornalled filesystems you also have the problem whereby your file goes through the journal, which can keep spare copies lying around. For that matter, you have to either pin your application memory in RAM or use an encrypted swap device, lest someone poke through swapped memory and peek at your important info. -- taa Cheops Law: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 18 20:03:51 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 18 Jan 2004 15:03:51 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <200401180053.43671.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > On January 17, 2004 09:58 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > /data. Keeps life simple and quite reliable. Using LVM and resizeable > > filesystems is another way to deal with it and quite useful to learn. > > Absolutely. I haven't tried lvm yet but I do hear good things about it. LVM definitely makes life easier and, if you have some unpartitioned space left on your disk, a conversion to LVM is fairly simple. There's an article with step by step instructions on IBM's Developer Works site and I think the LVM HOWTO also covers this conversion. I installed my notebook (single 30GB disk) and my desktop (two 80GB disks, mirrored) using LVM for just this reason. I was tired of continually repartitioning, messing with symlinks, etc. Now, if I need more space in /usr (for example), I shutdown to singler user, unmount /usr (another good reason to separate it from /), extend the relevant logical volume, resize the file system (with resize2fs), remount it, and I'm done. Typically, it's a five minute process. Now, as long as my file systems are large enough for a base installation, I really don't care how big they are. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 00:18:19 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: port forwarding and ssh Message-ID: <20040119001819.21307.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> my netgear port forwarding screen shows services as "192.168.0" and nothing for the fourth digit(s). I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" to but when I do I says invalid service. I can ssh into my linux box downstairs with no problem. under the column name Service name 20-22 is shown and to the right is shown the Server IP address of 192.168.0.1 I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" to but when I do i says invalid service. IP chicken tells me my IP address and when I ssh to what ipchicken.com says I get the message from ssh saying "connection refused". I'm guessing that maybe SERVICES should be set to ipchicken is instead of a local lan address. Is that a bad guess? Any clues or likely problems things to look for? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 02:30:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:30:47 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <200401180053.43671.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040119023047.GH7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:53:43AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Advantages of /usr separate from / : > > - ability to mount /usr read-only (I don't think / can be read-only because > of /etc/mtab at least). I think anything that can be read-only should be, > makes things a _little_ trickier for the exploit of the week. Most exploits attack things in memory, not on disk, and once access is gained, calling remount to rw is no big deal. Having to remount /usr before and after all upgrades is a serious hassle for a marginal slow down in the speed an exploit can be performed. Unless you can prevent the filesystem from ever being remounted rw, it doesn't do much good. It somehow reminds me of people wanting to rename root, or delete all the man pages to make it harder for people to hack the system, and yes I have encountered people who had done both of those in the name of increased system security. Someone even thought making /sbin be /.sbin instead would improve security. > - if you're using lvm and/or software raid you might wish to keep /usr > separate ... at least lvm on / isn't highly recommended from what I hear. I can't think of a reason / can't be lvm, other than it can't be unmounted for resizing work and such (although some filesystems don't need it to be.) Booting from it can be a pain, so perhaps /boot should be seperate. I rather like having / on software raid1. > Absolutely. I haven't tried lvm yet but I do hear good things about it. It can do many nice things for rearanging disk space. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 02:40:13 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:40:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: xcdroast (Version 0.98alpha14) on Fedora CORE 1 Message-ID: <20040119024013.66500.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> quirk or error or am I way too fussy? I do a CD duplicate and after I tell it to Read CD I also check off the "do index scan". That is the only customization I do. The 3 write options that are already selected for me are: Exit after write (which it does fine) Pad Tracks Enable protection from buffer under-run. The progress bar says the writing is 99% complete. I'm wondering why it doesn't say 100% complete. Does anyone know why? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 02:33:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:33:02 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040119023302.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > LVM definitely makes life easier and, if you have some unpartitioned space > left on your disk, a conversion to LVM is fairly simple. There's an article > with step by step instructions on IBM's Developer Works site and I think the > LVM HOWTO also covers this conversion. > > I installed my notebook (single 30GB disk) and my desktop (two 80GB disks, > mirrored) using LVM for just this reason. I was tired of continually > repartitioning, messing with symlinks, etc. Now, if I need more space in > /usr (for example), I shutdown to singler user, unmount /usr (another good > reason to separate it from /), extend the relevant logical volume, resize the > file system (with resize2fs), remount it, and I'm done. Typically, it's a > five minute process. Now, as long as my file systems are large enough for a > base installation, I really don't care how big they are. If you used XFS or (I think) JFS, you wouldn't even have to shutdown to single user and unmount the filesystem to resize it. That's the advantage of the big boys filesystems. :) I have run resize2fs on a 500GB drive resizing it to 1000GB (on LVM). It took about 5 hours. I sure wish XFS and JFS had been around when that system was configured initially. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 02:54:45 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: port forwarding and ssh In-Reply-To: <20040119001819.21307.qmail-dz3chGMHpKKA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119001819.21307.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040119025445.48555.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mel Seder wrote: > my nenetgearort forwarding screen > > shows services as "192.168.0" and nothing for the fourth digit(s). > I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" to but when I do > I > says invalid service. > > I can ssh into my lilinuxox downstairs with no problem. > > under the column name Service name 20-22 is shown and to the right is > shown the Server IPIPddress of 192.168.0.1 > > I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" to but when I do > i > says invalid service. > > IPIPhicken tells me my IPIPddress and when I ssh to what > ipipchickenom > says I get the message from ssh saying "connection refused". > > I'm guessing that maybe SERVICES should be set to ipipchickens > instead > of a local lalanddress. Is that a bad guess? > > > Any clues or likely problems things to look for? Additional info: my Router is a NeNetgearP614 I can successfully ping my the address IPIPhicken found for me. ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 03:28:42 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 18 Jan 2004 22:28:42 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040119023047.GH7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023047.GH7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:53:43AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > - if you're using lvm and/or software raid you might wish to keep /usr > > separate ... at least lvm on / isn't highly recommended from what I hear. > > I can't think of a reason / can't be lvm, other than it can't be > unmounted for resizing work and such (although some filesystems don't > need it to be.) Booting from it can be a pain, so perhaps /boot should > be seperate. I rather like having / on software raid1. / can be LVM -- I have a Debian woody system configured that way -- but it is a bit of a pain. At least Debian woody doesn't support LVM / out of the box, you have to customize mkinitrd. On the positive side, KNOPPIX can recover LVM and RAID configurations without any prior knowledge of the configuration. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 03:31:11 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 18 Jan 2004 22:31:11 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040119023302.GI7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023302.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 03:03:51PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > LVM definitely makes life easier and, if you have some unpartitioned space > > left on your disk, a conversion to LVM is fairly simple. There's an article > > with step by step instructions on IBM's Developer Works site and I think the > > LVM HOWTO also covers this conversion. > > > > I installed my notebook (single 30GB disk) and my desktop (two 80GB disks, > > mirrored) using LVM for just this reason. I was tired of continually > > repartitioning, messing with symlinks, etc. Now, if I need more space in > > /usr (for example), I shutdown to singler user, unmount /usr (another good > > reason to separate it from /), extend the relevant logical volume, resize the > > file system (with resize2fs), remount it, and I'm done. Typically, it's a > > five minute process. Now, as long as my file systems are large enough for a > > base installation, I really don't care how big they are. > > If you used XFS or (I think) JFS, you wouldn't even have to shutdown to > single user and unmount the filesystem to resize it. Yeah, I know. IIRC, reiser has this capability too. > advantage of the big boys filesystems. :) I have run resize2fs on a > 500GB drive resizing it to 1000GB (on LVM). It took about 5 hours. Imagine how long it would have taken to archive to tape, repartion, and restore. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 03:32:52 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:32:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: port forwarding and ssh In-Reply-To: <20040119025445.48555.qmail-dz3chGMHpKKA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119025445.48555.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040119033252.63147.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> other corrections made. Sorry for the errors :-( ** Multiple corrections/revisions have been made in this posting. my netgear port forwarding screen > > > > shows SERVICES as "192.168.0" and nothing for the fourth digit(s). > > I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" to but when I tried to change the services to read "192.168.0.1" Netgear says invalid service. I can ssh into my linuxbox downstairs (192.168.0.3) with no problem. Also on the NetGear Port Forwarding screen: Under the column headed "Service Name" 20-22 is shown, and to the far right is the Server IP address of 192.168.0.1 ipchicken.com tells me the address the outside world can use to log into my system and when I ssh to what ipchicken.com says I get the message from ssh saying "connection refused". I'm *guessing* that maybe SERVICES should be set to what ipchicken reported instead of a local lan address. Is that a bad guess? Any clues or likely problems things to look for? Additional info: my Router is a Netgear RP614 I can successfully ping my the address IPChicken found for me. ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 04:15:58 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:15:58 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040119023047.GH7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023047.GH7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200401182315.58680.fraser@wehave.net> On January 18, 2004 09:30 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:53:43AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Advantages of /usr separate from / : > > > > - ability to mount /usr read-only (I don't think / can be read-only > > because of /etc/mtab at least). I think anything that can be read-only > > should be, makes things a _little_ trickier for the exploit of the week. > > Most exploits attack things in memory, not on disk, and once access is > gained, calling remount to rw is no big deal. You probably missed my attempt at underlining the word little ;-) Anything, however trivial, that can slow down an automated exploit is worthwhile in my books. I rather doubt that most exploit scripts do sufficient error checking to work around assumptions such as writeable/executable /tmp or writeable /usr. This will obviously not appreciably slow down a dedicated attacker with more than a modicum of intelligence. > Having to remount /usr before and after all upgrades is a serious hassle for I don't consider "mount -o remount,rw /usr" once in a while a hassle, if it were a hassle (let's say if I was running unstable) then I'd just have apt automatically do the remounts for me. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 04:16:13 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:16:13 -0700 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040119023047.GH7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023047.GH7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040119041613.GA78980@idiom.novusordo.net> On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 09:30:47PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Most exploits attack things in memory, not on disk, and once access is > gained, calling remount to rw is no big deal. Having to remount /usr > before and after all upgrades is a serious hassle for a marginal slow > down in the speed an exploit can be performed. Unless you can prevent > the filesystem from ever being remounted rw, it doesn't do much good. AFAIK FreeBSD has different security levels; one can only increase the security setting, not decrease it, and at one of the levels (un)mounting of any kind is strictly verboten. One must reboot to adjust anything. Naturally, the first thing a hardened box will do on booting is kick the security level way up (before it brings up the network interface). If one can alter memory, it's probably possible to "undo" the security level, but if they've done it right, the kernel should probably panic when someone attempts it (and a kernel panic on BSD generally causes a reboot and the attacker's back at square one). -- taa Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinion about her children's beauty, intelligence, goodness etc. adnauseum keep her from drowning them at birth. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 04:35:26 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:35:26 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? References: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <400B5E8E.EB6FFE9E@onlink.net> "Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a > > W98SE vm (virtual machine). > > > > The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to > > wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles > > (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software > > will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found > > this: > > > > Sound > > Sound output and input > > Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks > > not supported) > > > > How do I know if my CM8738 is likewise compatible? I don't know where to > > start googling for that. > > > > Results 1 - 10 of about 5,250. Search took 0.32 seconds. Impressive. Chris, which hit is the one you are referring me to? I read the first five. None have anything to do with what I'm after. If you're point is that there are discussions about my card on the web, then, yeah, I know. And after searching I found nothing, like you, and so I posted here for help. > > > It's looking more and more like the vm will not run Pro Tools Free (at > > least not with my soundcard), but I want to figure this out in case > > I decide to buy a soundcard that will run Pro Tools Free in a W98SE vm. > > Same as above. Doesn't mean I'm stopping googling, just means I'm posting here (as well as on forums on homerecording.com, vmware.com and digidesign.com). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 08:35:15 2004 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:35:15 -0500 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040117192059.02ce6e10-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040117192059.02ce6e10@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040119033515.006da32c@mail.look.ca> At 19:23 2004-01-17 -0500, you wrote: > At 06:27 AM 01/16/2004, you wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can find a perl or bash > > script that will decorate an RCS controlled file so > > that each line has a prefix with username and version > > number? > > I can't say I have heard of such a script/program. Its likely you will have > to write one yourself. Do you really need to know who last checked in a > given line of code and in what version of the file for every line in a > file? Could you not get the information you might need through a detailed > ChangeLog file? > > > Cheers! > > Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Well, `cvs annotate` looks like what you want. The documentation of the command includes a very skimpy example of the output. You could write something following the example of cvs; source tree is at , current source of annotate.c is . Probably easier, just set up a cvs repository and copy in your rcs file. If this is a one-off task and you do not want to learn about cvs, send me your rcs file, and I can send back the output. HTH, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 15:19:25 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:19:25 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? In-Reply-To: <400B5E8E.EB6FFE9E-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400B5E8E.EB6FFE9E@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040119153850.661BAE7C74@gateway.vipond.ca> "Chris F.A. Johnson" wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > > I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a > > > W98SE vm (virtual machine). > > > > > > The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to > > > wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles > > > (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording > software > > > will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found > > > this: > > > > > > Sound > > > Sound output and input > > > Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks > > > not supported) > > > Question: Are you trying to get the OS inside the VM to recognize your audio card? - If so the VM Guest OS will only have access to an 'emulated' sound blaster that VMWare provides. Also the device has to be 'connected' to the VM session at the time. Are you trying to get VMWare itself to see the audio hardware? - VMWare usually works where ESD is working. Have not tried it with ALSA. No idea if I'm even remotely close to your situation but that's my $.02 for what it's worth. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 15:29:05 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:29:05 -0700 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040119033515.006da32c-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> <20040116112722.36646.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20040119033515.006da32c@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <20040119152905.GA97901@idiom.novusordo.net> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 03:35:15AM -0500, Terrence Enger wrote: > Probably easier, just set up a cvs repository and copy in > your rcs file. If this is a one-off task and you do not > want to learn about cvs, send me your rcs file, and I can > send back the output. http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ It's a thorough and straight-forward book, with most of the book online (just the really complex bits are left out, for which you have to purchase the dead-tree version). -- taa Formal courtesy between husband and wife is even more important than it is between strangers. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 15:43:20 2004 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:43:20 -0500 Subject: Athlon MP stories Message-ID: <1074526999.4471.6.camel@theconstruct.mineallmeyn.net> Hi List, Just wondering if people have had success using Athlon MPs and Linux, what kernel(s) you've tried, mobo issues, etc. Thanks, Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 16:18:33 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 19 Jan 2004 11:18:33 -0500 Subject: Athlon MP stories In-Reply-To: <1074526999.4471.6.camel-0lXLkTl3c71ptQ/RaucIWavRY+knis1x5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org> References: <1074526999.4471.6.camel@theconstruct.mineallmeyn.net> Message-ID: Oliver Meyn writes: > Hi List, > > Just wondering if people have had success using Athlon MPs and Linux, > what kernel(s) you've tried, mobo issues, etc. Yep, we've got two in a Tyan Tiger MPX (or maybe the Thunder, I can't remember exactly) running RH 7.3. Works beautifully. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 16:53:59 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:53:59 -0500 Subject: CUPS first-timer Message-ID: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA@onlink.net> I am trying to print with CUPS drivers for the first time. I set up the printer and printed a CUPS test successfully - looks horrible but that's for another post. Trying to print an NSMEssesnger email it's asking for Print Command. I gooogled around a bit and the only command I see is lp and lpr. I tried both of these and get Status Information: sending job 'lsf-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org+827' to hp at localhost connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 cannot open connection to localhost - No such file or directory Make sure the remotee host supports the LPD protocol abnd acceptsconnections from this host and from non-privileged (<1023) ports. Description: Location: lp0 Printer state: idle, accepting jobs Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 Any ideas. Seems to be tryign to print over a network, yet the CUPS test happily prints to the printer port. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 16:34:24 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:34:24 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023302.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040119163424.GA2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 10:31:11PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Yeah, I know. IIRC, reiser has this capability too. Yeah, but up only, and I wouldn't trust my files to reiserfs 3.x. > Imagine how long it would have taken to archive to tape, repartion, and > restore. I don't want to think about it. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 16:58:35 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:58:35 -0500 Subject: xcdroast (Version 0.98alpha14) on Fedora CORE 1 In-Reply-To: <20040119024013.66500.qmail-XMBCVWRoowaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119024013.66500.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119115456.02d98e10@mail.interlog.com> At 09:40 PM 01/18/2004, Mel Seder wrote: >quirk or error or am I way too fussy? [snip] >The progress bar says the writing is 99% complete. I'm wondering why >it doesn't say 100% complete. Does anyone know why? You need to be more concerned with what it says above the progress bar. If it says everything was ok, don't worry about it. The first time I dumped some stuff on to a CD-R when using a fast drive and fast CD-R's I thought I had a problem since the progress bars weren't at 100% when it was finished. It seems the bars may lag behind the actual writing process if your drive and CD-R/CD-RW can write at high speeds. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 17:09:56 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:09:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: xcdroast (Version 0.98alpha14) on Fedora CORE 1 In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119115456.02d98e10-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119115456.02d98e10@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <20040119170956.49916.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Cozens wrote: > At 09:40 PM 01/18/2004, Mel Seder wrote: > >quirk or error or am I way too fussy? > [snip] > >The progress bar says the writing is 99% complete. I'm wondering > why > >it doesn't say 100% complete. Does anyone know why? > > You need to be more concerned with what it says above the progress > bar. If > it says everything was ok, don't worry about it. The first time I > dumped > some stuff on to a CD-R when using a fast drive and fast CD-R's I > thought I > had a problem since the progress bars weren't at 100% when it was > finished. > It seems the bars may lag behind the actual writing process if your > drive > and CD-R/CD-RW can write at high speeds. > gotya, thanks for the info :-) ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 18:06:37 2004 From: willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matthew Willis) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:06:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040119152905.GA97901-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119152905.GA97901@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040119180637.16003.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> I have resolved to try CVS. RCS appeals to me because it is very simple. I even googled a tantalizing references for an RCS "annotate" script - but ended up in CPAN dependency limbo. My first iteration with CVS failed with some permission problem associated with /home/cvsroot. I'll try again later this week. --- Taavi Burns wrote: > On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 03:35:15AM -0500, Terrence > Enger wrote: > > Probably easier, just set up a cvs repository and > copy in > > your rcs file. If this is a one-off task and you > do not > > want to learn about cvs, send me your rcs file, > and I can > > send back the output. > > http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ > > It's a thorough and straight-forward book, with most > of the > book online (just the really complex bits are left > out, for > which you have to purchase the dead-tree version). > > -- > taa > > Formal courtesy between husband and wife is even > more important than it is between strangers. > - Robert A. Heinlein > /*eof*/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 19:39:50 2004 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:39:50 -0500 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040119180637.16003.qmail-ZILalUPo95CA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119152905.GA97901@idiom.novusordo.net> <20040119180637.16003.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040119143950.006bfc48@mail.look.ca> At 10:06 2004-01-19 -0800, Matthew Willis wrote: > I have resolved to try CVS. RCS appeals to me because > it is very simple. I even googled a tantalizing > references for an RCS "annotate" script - but ended up > in CPAN dependency limbo. My first iteration with CVS > failed with some permission problem associated with > /home/cvsroot. I'll try again later this week. Personally, I find cvs easier to use than rcs. But maybe that is just because rcs was the first version control system that I used. Meanwhile, I am glad to help where I can, and the good people on the info-cvs list are also helpful. Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 21:10:33 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:10:33 -0500 Subject: rcs script help In-Reply-To: <20040119180637.16003.qmail-ZILalUPo95CA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040119180637.16003.qmail@web12706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400C47C9.5030000@rogers.com> I've just begun trying out Arch ... the two features which sold me to give it a try are: * You can rename files * It handles symbolic links Matthew Willis wrote: >I have resolved to try CVS. RCS appeals to me because >it is very simple. I even googled a tantalizing >references for an RCS "annotate" script - but ended up >in CPAN dependency limbo. My first iteration with CVS >failed with some permission problem associated with >/home/cvsroot. I'll try again later this week. > >--- Taavi Burns wrote: > > >>On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 03:35:15AM -0500, Terrence >>Enger wrote: >> >> >>>Probably easier, just set up a cvs repository and >>> >>> >>copy in >> >> >>>your rcs file. If this is a one-off task and you >>> >>> >>do not >> >> >>>want to learn about cvs, send me your rcs file, >>> >>> >>and I can >> >> >>>send back the output. >>> >>> >>http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ >> >>It's a thorough and straight-forward book, with most >>of the >>book online (just the really complex bits are left >>out, for >>which you have to purchase the dead-tree version). >> >>-- >>taa >> >> Formal courtesy between husband and wife is even >> more important than it is between strangers. >> - Robert A. Heinlein >>/*eof*/ >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 21:26:30 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:26:30 -0500 Subject: CUPS first-timer In-Reply-To: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040119212630.GB2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:53:59AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I am trying to print with CUPS drivers for the first time. > > I set up the printer and printed a CUPS test successfully - looks > horrible but that's for another post. Trying to print an NSMEssesnger > email it's asking for Print Command. I gooogled around a bit and the > only command I see is lp and lpr. I tried both of these and get > > Status Information: > sending job 'lsf-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org+827' to hp at localhost > connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 > cannot open connection to localhost - No such file or directory > Make sure the remotee host supports the LPD protocol > abnd acceptsconnections from this host and from non-privileged (<1023) > ports. > > Description: > Location: lp0 > Printer state: idle, accepting jobs > Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 > > Any ideas. Seems to be tryign to print over a network, yet the CUPS test > happily prints to the printer port. If you install cupsys-client (sysv print command) and cupsys-bsd (bsd print commands), all the applications that work with lp or lpr will work with cupsys. That's pretty much all there is to it. Well that and making sure lpd, lprng, etc are all exterminated as they deserve to be. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:13:34 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:13:34 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients Message-ID: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> I've configured my Debian/GNU box to use NTP with the configuration below. It works well from other Linux boxen, but I can't seem to get any Windows machines to sync to it, whether by the built-in client or third-party tools. Is there any trick to making it SNTP compatible? Thanks, Kareeem # /etc/ntp.conf, configuration for ntpd # ntpd will use syslog() if logfile is not defined logfile /var/log/ntpd driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/ statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats filegen loopstats file loopstats type day enable filegen peerstats file peerstats type day enable filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable # Set Access Restrictions restrict default notruct nomodify noquery restrict localhost restrict 192.168.1.0 mask 255.255.255.0 ntpport restrict 192.168.11.1 notrust ### lines starting 'server' are auto generated, ### use dpkg-reconfigure to modify those lines. server tick.utoronto.ca server tock.utoronto.ca server chime.utoronto.ca server time.chu.nrc.ca server time.nrc.ca -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to know your past life, look into your present condition; if you want to know your future look into your present action -- Padmisambha ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:19:19 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:19:19 -0600 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <1074550414.18303.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200401191619.19821.Garth@Webostics.com> Maybe it's because Windoze can't do GMT? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:20:23 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:20:23 -0500 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP Message-ID: <400C5827.4050207@qef.com> The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 which I want to replace by XP. I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult for me to boot RH. What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:21:18 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:21:18 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <200401191619.19821.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> <200401191619.19821.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <1074550877.18303.6.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 17:19, Garth Meisel wrote: > Maybe it's because Windoze can't do GMT? While something that silly wouldn't suprise me (it is Windows after all), it synchronizes to time.nist.gov and time.nrc.ca just fine. So why can't it synch to the NTP server sitting beside it? Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to know your past life, look into your present condition; if you want to know your future look into your present action -- Padmisambha ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:25:53 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:25:53 -0600 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <1074550877.18303.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> <200401191619.19821.Garth@Webostics.com> <1074550877.18303.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200401191625.53955.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Mon January 19 2004 4:21 pm, Kareem Shehata said: > On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 17:19, Garth Meisel wrote: > > Maybe it's because Windoze can't do GMT? > > While something that silly wouldn't suprise me (it is Windows after > all), it synchronizes to time.nist.gov and time.nrc.ca just fine. So > why can't it synch to the NTP server sitting beside it? > I know it's silly. I've not touched a Windoze system in 4 years now thankfully but if memory serves me correctly, it's because Linux will synchronize to GMT and Windoze only synchronizes with LOCAL time and the two are not the same therefore causes a big data collision. : ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 19 22:28:16 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:28:16 -0600 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <200401191625.53955.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> <1074550877.18303.6.camel@localhost> <200401191625.53955.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401191628.16800.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Mon January 19 2004 4:25 pm, Garth Meisel said: > Roughly Mon January 19 2004 4:21 pm, Kareem Shehata said: > > On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 17:19, Garth Meisel wrote: > > > Maybe it's because Windoze can't do GMT? > > > > While something that silly wouldn't suprise me (it is Windows after > > all), it synchronizes to time.nist.gov and time.nrc.ca just fine. So > > why can't it synch to the NTP server sitting beside it? > > I know it's silly. I've not touched a Windoze system in 4 years now > thankfully but if memory serves me correctly, it's because Linux will > synchronize to GMT and Windoze only synchronizes with LOCAL time and the > two are not the same therefore causes a big data collision. : ) I guess you could theoretically set Linux to Local time too and that should work. As stupid as that sounds though I've never tried it : ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 00:02:53 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 19 Jan 2004 19:02:53 -0500 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: <400C5827.4050207-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <400C5827.4050207@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 > which I want to replace by XP. > > I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. > > I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition > so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult > for me to boot RH. > > What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover > and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? Make a boot floppy. Probably the easiest way is to use RedHat's: mkbootdisk The resulting boot floppy should contain your kernel and initrd. Alternatively, you can put grub on a floppy. There are two ways to do this. The quick and dirty way: # cd /usr/share/i386-redhat # dd if=stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 # dd if=stage2 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 seek=1 This will boot you straight into grub but without a menu so you have to be comfortable with the grub commandline. A nicer way to create a grub floppy is: # mkdosfs /dev/fd0 # mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy # grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/floppy '(fd0)' # vi /mnt/floppy/boot/grub/menu.lst # umount /mnt/floppy which gives you a grub menu (menu.lst) and allows you to put a kernel and initrd on the floppy if you so desire. Either way, a grub boot floppy is a nice rescue tool because (with it's knowledge of Linux file systems) you can find your kernel and initrd on the file system even if they've been moved. Once you have Linux booted (after installation of XP), use: grub-install to reinstall grub (if necessary). It's a good idea to confirm you can boot from the floppy before installing XP. Finally, a recent KNOPPIX CD makes a great rescue tool. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 00:38:06 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:38:06 -0500 Subject: CUPS first-timer In-Reply-To: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1074559085.328.14.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 11:53, Chris Aitken wrote: > Status Information: > sending job 'lsf-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org+827' to hp at localhost > connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 > cannot open connection to localhost - No such file or directory > Make sure the remotee host supports the LPD protocol > abnd acceptsconnections from this host and from non-privileged (<1023) > ports. > > Description: > Location: lp0 > Printer state: idle, accepting jobs > Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 > > Any ideas. Seems to be tryign to print over a network, yet the CUPS test > happily prints to the printer port. Hi Chris. I don't know what distro you're using, so some of what I'm about to say may or may not work as specified. I'm basing this on Red Hat Linux 9, which is what I've used CUPS on. 1. Make sure CUPS is running. If you've made changes to the config, make sure you restart the CUPS daemon. This can usually be done with a "service cups restart" or "killall -HUP cupsd" or something like that. 2. Red Hat systems allow you to have both LPRng and CUPS installed at the same time, but only one running. Both have been packaged to use the "alternatives" utility to switch links for the binaries to the appropriate package. From your above output, it looks like your lpr command is pointing to the one for LPRng, not the one for CUPS. To see which one you're pointing to, run "alternatives --display print". The first couple of lines should say something like: print - status is auto. link currently points to /usr/bin/lpr.cups If the link is pointing to /usr/bin/lpr.LPRng, then switch it over using the command: "alternatives --set print /usr/bin/lpr.cups" Also, turn off LPRng and disable it with: service lpd stop chkconfig lpd off 3. Even though you're printing to a local printer, CUPS still prints via the "network" through localhost. The CUPS service uses the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) which is very closely based on HTTP. Make sure you don't have any iptables rules that block stuff to loopback. 4. Some other print commands that may be on your system are "qtcups" and "kprinter"; both of them emulate the print dialog box in Windows. That's all I can come up with right now... see if that works. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 00:43:08 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:43:08 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040119163424.GA2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023302.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040119163424.GA2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1074559388.326.17.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 11:34, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 10:31:11PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > Yeah, I know. IIRC, reiser has this capability too. > > Yeah, but up only, and I wouldn't trust my files to reiserfs 3.x. Reiserfs has the ability to size both up and down, and can be done while the filesystem is mounted. This gives it an advantage over EXT3, where you have to unmount the fs before resizing it. Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you trust your files to reiserfs 3.x? I've been running it on many systems in many different configurations, with no difficulties. Have you come across stability issues? pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 01:46:20 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:46:20 -0500 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040120020551.2D1C5E7C75@gateway.vipond.ca> > David Tilbrook writes: > > > The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 > > which I want to replace by XP. > > > > I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. > > > > I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition > > so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult > > for me to boot RH. > > > > What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover > > and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? Worst case - ( I'd still make that floppy that Tim described ) Boot from Redhat CD1, with "linux rescue" then follow the prompts and let RedHat's program chroot your old system. From there you can run grub-install and put grub back. - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 02:41:33 2004 From: jzygmont-tEQKYFGiemxAYG7eUwYNkWD2FQJk+8+b at public.gmane.org (Justin Zygmont) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:41:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: <400C5827.4050207-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <400C5827.4050207@qef.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Tilbrook wrote: > The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 > which I want to replace by XP. > > I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. ^^ really? where can i download that? :) > I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition > so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult > for me to boot RH. > > What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover > and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? it might change your XP partition to active, so you might have to use fdisk to set it back to your linux one. If you have reinstall grub, then there is a way, but you have to boot with a rescue CD, and type the 3 grub commands, unless grub-install really works, it's use is depreciated and it never worked properly for me. Just make sure you have a bootable disk handy. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 03:18:44 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:18:44 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? References: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> <20040115180102.GX7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400C9E14.7DA6D69B@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:33:12PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I recently installed VMware Workstation 4.0.5. Then I installed a > > W98SE vm (virtual machine). > > > > The vm plays CDs, but will not recognize my card (I'm still trying to > > wrap my mind around that). So, I don't get all the bells and whistles > > (like a Volume Control; and Pro Tools Free multitrack recording software > > will install but won't run). So, I went to the VMware HCL and found > > this: > > > > Sound > > Sound output and input > > Creative Sound Blaster Audio PCI compatible (MIDI sound and joysticks > > not supported) > > > > How do I know if my CM8738 is likewise compatible? I don't know where to > > start googling for that. > > > > It's looking more and more like the vm will not run Pro Tools Free (at > > least not with my soundcard), but I want to figure this out in case > > I decide to buy a soundcard that will run Pro Tools Free in a W98SE vm. > > > > I have posted a similar query on a VMware forum, and I have contacted > > the webmaster at digidesign (makers of Pro Tools Free) to ask for help > > registering on their forum as well. Those may give me some VMware and > > digidesign feedback, but I thought I'd ask linux people as well. > > Make sound work in Linux, preferably using alsa. OK. I'm beginning to see that "Make sound work" is a little deeper than "I can play CDs OK". : ) > Then add a sound > device to your vmware configuration, OK. There is one there, but obviously not the one Pro Tools Free likes - maybe that's the one that plays CDs. > and install sound blaster pci 128 OK...we're assuming that that will work with the CM8738..or is that not relevant? > > (or whatever an ess 1371 is) driver in win98 (I suspect install vmware > utils menu option may even do that for you) and you should be all set. > > VMware uses the linux sound devices, and emulates an ess 1371 This is a famous sound card I presume. > to the > guest OS. OK. Thanks, Lennart. [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 04:10:33 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:10:33 -0500 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400CAA39.7090805@muskokatech.ca> The last time I updated my windows partition, I just booted with my linux boot diskette, and issued the grub-install command to reinstall the boot loader. Nothing else was required. Jeremy Justin Zygmont wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, David Tilbrook wrote: > > > >>The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 >>which I want to replace by XP. >> >>I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. >> >> > ^^ > really? where can i download that? :) > > > > >>I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition >>so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult >>for me to boot RH. >> >>What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover >>and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? >> >> > >it might change your XP partition to active, so you might have to use >fdisk to set it back to your linux one. If you have reinstall grub, >then there is a way, but you have to boot with a rescue CD, and type >the 3 grub commands, unless grub-install really works, it's use is >depreciated and it never worked properly for me. Just make sure you have >a bootable disk handy. > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 05:14:44 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:14:44 -0700 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: References: <400C5827.4050207@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040120051444.GB18541@idiom.novusordo.net> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 09:41:33PM -0500, Justin Zygmont wrote: > it might change your XP partition to active, so you might have to use > fdisk to set it back to your linux one. If you have reinstall grub, The 'active' partition is irrelevant to Linux. Partitions are partitions, and where you boot depends on where LILO or GRUB think, not where the dumb DOS bootloader sees an active partition. That and Linux has never subscribed to the idea that you should be limited to seeing one primary partition at a time. ;) -- taa I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 14:15:31 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:15:31 -0500 Subject: recovering grub after installing XP In-Reply-To: <400C5827.4050207-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <400C5827.4050207@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040120141530.GC2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 05:20:23PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > The lowest partition on my laptop currently contains Windows2000 > which I want to replace by XP. > > I am using RH9.2 in the other partitions. > > I believe that when I install XP it will change the boot partition > so that grub will no longer be in place, thus making it difficult > for me to boot RH. > > What measures do I take before installing XP so that I can recover > and reset the boot partition to bring up grub? If you install the boot loader onto the linux partition, and make it active and make sure the MBR contains a generic "boot the active partition" program, then after installing windows you just have to change the active partition setting in the disk manager to get back to booting linux. If you have the boot loader in the MBR then it will get nicely trashed when you run windows installer. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 14:23:33 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:23:33 -0500 Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <1074559388.326.17.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117062254.65302.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200401180053.43671.fraser@wehave.net> <20040119023302.GI7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040119163424.GA2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1074559388.326.17.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <20040120142333.GD2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 07:43:08PM -0500, Paul Mora wrote: > Reiserfs has the ability to size both up and down, and can be done while > the filesystem is mounted. This gives it an advantage over EXT3, where > you have to unmount the fs before resizing it. When did they add support for live resizing down? They sure didn't use to do that. > Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you trust your files to reiserfs > 3.x? I've been running it on many systems in many different > configurations, with no difficulties. Have you come across stability > issues? I have had too many files corrupted by reiserfs on power failure when it claimed the filesystem was clean. It's complete disinterest in how file data is ordered and written to disk makes it one of the most hazardous filesystems I have ever seen for storing data. ext3's default ordered writes mode is much better since it doesn't overwrite old data until the new data is written. Overwriting current data with new data is just a terrible idea unless you can garuntee it will succeed. If I had a file consisting of: xxxxxxxx yyyyyyyy zzzzzzzz And I asked to replace from the first y on with all x's and the power failed while reiserfs is in the middle of the write, you can end up with: xxxxxxxx xxxxxxyy zzzzzzzz Which is neither the current or the new file. On ext3 I would have either the original or the new file after any given write command. When reiserfs 4.x is released (which is full journal of all data) then I will probably use it again. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 14:27:18 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:27:18 -0500 Subject: CM8738 "Sound Blaster compatible"? In-Reply-To: <400C9E14.7DA6D69B-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4006CED8.1B1118CB@onlink.net> <20040115180102.GX7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400C9E14.7DA6D69B@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040120142718.GE2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 10:18:44PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > OK. I'm beginning to see that "Make sound work" is a little deeper than "I can > play CDs OK". : ) Playing CDs doesn't use anything but the amplifier in the sound card. It really tells you nothing. > OK. There is one there, but obviously not the one Pro Tools Free likes - maybe > that's the one that plays CDs. Well if you use vmware 4.x it is emulating an ess1371 PCI sound card. > OK...we're assuming that that will work with the CM8738..or is that not > relevant? Irrelevant. Question is: Is Linux working with the CM8738 at the moment? If it is, and nothing else is using the sound (ESS, ARTS, etc) then VMware should be able to connect to it and emulate the SB PCI128. Did you install the vmware tools in windows yet? If not do that. > This is a famous sound card I presume. It was probably the first cheap PCI sound card that worked well. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 16:46:19 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:46:19 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable Message-ID: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> I tried to import a gnumeric preadsheet into an AbiWord .doc file - it wouldn't have it - no error - just no cigar. I have been happy with gnumeric and AbiWord up until now (I save sp[readsheets as Excel 95 and documents as Word, so compatibility is OK). But I can see that to run a business I may need a suite of integrated apps. Will OpenOffice be my solution? Also, I just installed OpenOffice 641 (I happened to have it on CD - I have only a slowdial connection to the Internet). I ran ./setup and it installed. But damned if I can find the executable. And both README anmd README.html are empty documents. I installed it to /usr/bin/openoffice.org641 So, I was expecting to be able to type /usr/bin/openoffice.org641/oo or whatever and have it run. No such luck. I am googling for answers with keywords such as 'open office 641 executable'. Sincerely, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 17:21:33 2004 From: pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Patrick Allen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:21:33 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email Message-ID: <400D639D.3020900@cogeco.ca> Greetings, I hope this post isn't to "newbie" for this particular list. But I'm looking for some direction from folk that have experience. The company I work for is looking to implement some kind of inter-office communication. We're a small company and I'm the closest thing to IT that we have, so I'm gathering information on possibilities. I've been using Linux at home for a few years. Mostly Mandrake Distros. But there are many features of it I've yet to explore. I'm still quite green in many areas. The "Boss" has just acquired a working knowledge of Outlook and would like to have some way of sharing Calendars and To-Do lists etc. with his employees. I'm aware of several ways of doing this. But having no experience implementing any of them, I'm looking for a place to start. MS Exchange may well be the way we'll end up going. But not if I can provide another *timely* and working solution. I have played with the Knoppix More Groupware disk and it looked very promising. I'm also aware of the Opengroupware project. However I'm not sure if either of these packages would be simple enough for me to implement and maintain. I still struggle with just getting my Win machines to see Linux shares at home, so I'm wondering if something of this magnitude is simply out of my realm. Suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Patrick Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 17:12:40 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:12:40 -0600 Subject: Inter-office email In-Reply-To: <400D639D.3020900-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <400D639D.3020900@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200401201112.40850.Garth@Webostics.com> We know what this is about! http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/download.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 17:19:41 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:19:41 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email In-Reply-To: <400D639D.3020900-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <400D639D.3020900@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200401201219.41061.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Take a look at http://www.math.utexas.edu/webcalendar/ Charly Baker On Tuesday 20 January 2004 12:21 pm, Patrick Allen wrote: > Greetings, > > I hope this post isn't to "newbie" for this particular list. But I'm > looking for some direction from folk that have experience. > > The company I work for is looking to implement some kind of inter-office > communication. We're a small company and I'm the closest thing to IT > that we have, so I'm gathering information on possibilities. > > I've been using Linux at home for a few years. Mostly Mandrake Distros. > But there are many features of it I've yet to explore. I'm still > quite green in many areas. > > The "Boss" has just acquired a working knowledge of Outlook and would > like to have some way of sharing Calendars and To-Do lists etc. with his > employees. I'm aware of several ways of doing this. But having no > experience implementing any of them, I'm looking for a place to start. > > MS Exchange may well be the way we'll end up going. But not if I can > provide another *timely* and working solution. I have played with the > Knoppix More Groupware disk and it looked very promising. I'm also > aware of the Opengroupware project. However I'm not sure if either of > these packages would be simple enough for me to implement and maintain. > > I still struggle with just getting my Win machines to see Linux shares > at home, so I'm wondering if something of this magnitude is simply out > of my realm. > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 18:16:37 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:16:37 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable In-Reply-To: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200401201316.37692.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 20 January 2004 11:46, Chris Aitken wrote: > I tried to import a gnumeric preadsheet into an AbiWord .doc file - it > wouldn't have it - no error - just no cigar. I have been happy with > gnumeric and AbiWord up until now (I save sp[readsheets as Excel 95 and > documents as Word, so compatibility is OK). But I can see that to run a > business I may need a suite of integrated apps. Will OpenOffice be my > solution? If you expect to have people emailing you doc and xls files then openoffice is an excellent solution for being able to read them in Linux. Beyond that I don't personally find openoffice that useful. \begin{rant} I learned the basics of TeX in a few hours back in 1994 and since then I use it almost exclusively for any document I have to write, be it a technical manual, a report or a simple letter. The use of TeX frees your mind from the hassles of formatting; you say what you have to say, you spend close to zero time worrying about how it looks and you get a *very* professional result that is easily printed or converted to html, pdf and other formats. In 10 years you will definitely be able to read your TeX files (they're ASCII), the same cannot be said for MS Office document (perhaps OO will prove better in this regard). It is my belief that many people using GUIs spend as much time on formatting as they do with putting their thoughts on paper. GUIs can be used effficiently, by using templates, but then I wonder what the point in the GUI is? \end{rant} If you're doing calculations in a spreadsheet and want to embed that in a document then openoffice is a reasonable way to go. I'm not sure that I've embedded oocalc sheets in oowriter docs but I have done charts in oocalc (I think the charts use ooimpress). I'm a little surprised that abi/gnumeric don't play well together. > Also, I just installed OpenOffice 641 (I happened to have it on CD - > I have only a slowdial connection to the Internet). I ran ./setup and it > installed. But damned if I can find the executable. And both README anmd > README.html are empty documents. > > I installed it to /usr/bin/openoffice.org641 I'm not sure about build 641 but I expect the executable that you're looking for is named soffice. I would have installed in /usr/local/whatever/ or /opt/whatever/ but that doesn't really matter. Just do a "locate soffice" and try running the programs that you find that way. > So, I was expecting to be able to type /usr/bin/openoffice.org641/oo or > whatever and have it run. No such luck. In Debian you would type oowriter, oocalc, ooimpress, etc. but you aren't lucky enough to be running Debian or to have a highspeed connection ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 18:33:51 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:33:51 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect Message-ID: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am looking into alternatives to tape backup after my last little fiasco and I am ready to settle on an external USB2.0 chassis with removeable HDD carrier trays. Now, I know that with other USB devices like digital cameras and keychain memory sticks I can dismount and then physically disconnect the filesystem from the machine while the computer is on. I am *assuming* I can do that with an external HDD chassis as well but I thought I best turn to TLUG for sage advice lest I be greated by the humbling effect ;). Any experiences/comments/horror stories? Madison PS - My plan is to use drives the same size as the server and to have a script mount the drive and then 'dd' the server's data to the backup hard drive thereby hopefully allowing for baremetal recovery if it becomes so needed in the future. Do I need LVM/snapshot to ensure data consistency or is 'dd' sufficient so long as the users are gone for the day? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 18:28:37 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:28:37 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A167B@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Are you looking for: Open source or just an alternative solution? Both Client and Server solutions? Linux only or Win/Linux compatible? Web Solution? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Allen [mailto:pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:22 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Inter-office email Greetings, I hope this post isn't to "newbie" for this particular list. But I'm looking for some direction from folk that have experience. The company I work for is looking to implement some kind of inter-office communication. We're a small company and I'm the closest thing to IT that we have, so I'm gathering information on possibilities. I've been using Linux at home for a few years. Mostly Mandrake Distros. But there are many features of it I've yet to explore. I'm still quite green in many areas. The "Boss" has just acquired a working knowledge of Outlook and would like to have some way of sharing Calendars and To-Do lists etc. with his employees. I'm aware of several ways of doing this. But having no experience implementing any of them, I'm looking for a place to start. MS Exchange may well be the way we'll end up going. But not if I can provide another *timely* and working solution. I have played with the Knoppix More Groupware disk and it looked very promising. I'm also aware of the Opengroupware project. However I'm not sure if either of these packages would be simple enough for me to implement and maintain. I still struggle with just getting my Win machines to see Linux shares at home, so I'm wondering if something of this magnitude is simply out of my realm. Suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Patrick Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 18:40:26 2004 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:40:26 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable In-Reply-To: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1074624026.6058.13.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> If you use setup as user without switches is should be installed in your home directory. As root use the -net or /net switch for system wide install. That way several users are able to use OO. Then as user start OO with /whatever/OpenOffice641/soffice (or setup) in your home directory. It will create OpenOffice641 in your home directory. It will be accessible with /home/user/OpenOffice641/soffice JS On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 11:46, Chris Aitken wrote: > I tried to import a gnumeric preadsheet into an AbiWord .doc file - it > wouldn't have it - no error - just no cigar. I have been happy with > gnumeric and AbiWord up until now (I save sp[readsheets as Excel 95 and > documents as Word, so compatibility is OK). But I can see that to run a > business I may need a suite of integrated apps. Will OpenOffice be my > solution? > > Also, I just installed OpenOffice 641 (I happened to have it on CD - > I have only a slowdial connection to the Internet). I ran ./setup and it > installed. But damned if I can find the executable. And both README anmd > README.html are empty documents. > > I installed it to /usr/bin/openoffice.org641 > > So, I was expecting to be able to type /usr/bin/openoffice.org641/oo or > whatever and have it run. No such luck. > > I am googling for answers with keywords such as 'open office 641 > executable'. > > Sincerely, > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 19:22:48 2004 From: pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Patrick Allen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:22:48 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A167B-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A167B@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <400D8008.4030507@cogeco.ca> Wil McGilvery wrote: > Are you looking for: > > Open source or just an alternative solution? My personal choice would be an open source solution. But this may not be the best choice in this case. > Both Client and Server solutions? I believe in this case we would require both server and client solutions. > Linux only or Win/Linux compatible? The clients will all be Windows. But the server needn't necessarily be so. There are several "spare" computers available to me that could easily be integrated into our network. > Web Solution? If you mean a PHP based web solution that would be locally hosted, this is what I'm currently leaning toward. One feature we would like is to be able to share common folders and files for better project tracking. I'm not sure if this would be possible with an externally hosted solution. Thanks for all the feedback so far. Patrick Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 19:15:28 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:15:28 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email In-Reply-To: <400D639D.3020900-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <400D639D.3020900@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040120191528.GA8003@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 12:21:33PM -0500, Patrick Allen wrote: > MS Exchange may well be the way we'll end up going. That's probably sensible, since the features that you want are Microsoft things, and you want it implemented and displayed exactly as Microsoft had designed. If it doesn't measure up to its promise, you can always say "Microsoft sucks", and still keep your job. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 19:45:07 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:45:07 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400D748F.5060505-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 01:33:51PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking into alternatives to tape backup after my last little > fiasco and I am ready to settle on an external USB2.0 chassis with > removeable HDD carrier trays. Now, I know that with other USB devices > like digital cameras and keychain memory sticks I can dismount and then > physically disconnect the filesystem from the machine while the computer > is on. I am *assuming* I can do that with an external HDD chassis as > well but I thought I best turn to TLUG for sage advice lest I be greated > by the humbling effect ;). A USB HD chassis should work. Just remember that you disconnect the USB after you umount the drive (if mounted), or making sure the disk is sync'd. The USB boxes are pretty cheap now as far as I know. The HDD removable trays never made any sense to me, and can only be removed safely while powered off (or disconnected in the case of USB). > Any experiences/comments/horror stories? > > Madison > > PS - My plan is to use drives the same size as the server and to have a > script mount the drive and then 'dd' the server's data to the backup > hard drive thereby hopefully allowing for baremetal recovery if it > becomes so needed in the future. Do I need LVM/snapshot to ensure data > consistency or is 'dd' sufficient so long as the users are gone for the day? If after dd reads block 10000 something goes and changes block 5000, it won't be in the backup. If something changes a filesize and appends some data to a file stored at location 20000, you will still get the data in dd, but the metadata changes will be missed since they are near the start of the disk. dd is NOT how to backup a filesystem that is in use. LVM snapshots on the other hand can do a atomic snapshot that should be as valid as the machine is at that point (same as if it had instantly lost power at that point). Databases should recover although perhaps won't be 100% happy about life. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:13:13 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:13:13 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040120194507.GF2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> Hi Lennart, Thanks for the reply and the confirmation of what I thought... On the removeable tray; it isn't an internal removeable tray, it's an external USB2.0-attached housing that accepts removeable hdd trays. I like it because it will make it as easy as possible for the client to swap out the carriers (no [un]plugging the chassis) and the hdd tray is as small as possible when using a full hdd for backup. I guess the next step then is to make a manual backup, put the server into init 1 and then change all the filesystems to LVM... -Shoul- be easy enough... (I know, why don't I just kick Murphy in the arse and see if he leaves me alone still, too! ;) ). Madison Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 01:33:51PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> I am looking into alternatives to tape backup after my last little >>fiasco and I am ready to settle on an external USB2.0 chassis with >>removeable HDD carrier trays. Now, I know that with other USB devices >>like digital cameras and keychain memory sticks I can dismount and then >>physically disconnect the filesystem from the machine while the computer >>is on. I am *assuming* I can do that with an external HDD chassis as >>well but I thought I best turn to TLUG for sage advice lest I be greated >>by the humbling effect ;). > > > A USB HD chassis should work. Just remember that you disconnect the USB > after you umount the drive (if mounted), or making sure the disk is > sync'd. The USB boxes are pretty cheap now as far as I know. The HDD > removable trays never made any sense to me, and can only be removed > safely while powered off (or disconnected in the case of USB). > > >> Any experiences/comments/horror stories? >> >>Madison >> >>PS - My plan is to use drives the same size as the server and to have a >>script mount the drive and then 'dd' the server's data to the backup >>hard drive thereby hopefully allowing for baremetal recovery if it >>becomes so needed in the future. Do I need LVM/snapshot to ensure data >>consistency or is 'dd' sufficient so long as the users are gone for the day? > > > If after dd reads block 10000 something goes and changes block 5000, it > won't be in the backup. If something changes a filesize and appends > some data to a file stored at location 20000, you will still get the > data in dd, but the metadata changes will be missed since they are near > the start of the disk. dd is NOT how to backup a filesystem that is in > use. LVM snapshots on the other hand can do a atomic snapshot that > should be as valid as the machine is at that point (same as if it had > instantly lost power at that point). Databases should recover although > perhaps won't be 100% happy about life. > > Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:27:05 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:05 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable References: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> <1074624026.6058.13.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> Message-ID: <400D8F19.873B86FB@onlink.net> "J. Schaap" wrote: > If you use setup as user without switches is should be installed in your > home directory. As root use the -net or /net switch for system wide > install. That way several users are able to use OO. > Then as user start OO with /whatever/OpenOffice641/soffice (or setup) in > your home directory. OK, that did it. Thanks. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:30:01 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:30:01 -0700 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400D8BD9.6050701-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040120203001.GB43342@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 03:13:13PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I guess the next step then is to make a manual backup, put the server > into init 1 and then change all the filesystems to LVM... -Shoul- be > easy enough... (I know, why don't I just kick Murphy in the arse and see > if he leaves me alone still, too! ;) ). If you're dropping to singluser mode, you can just remount the fs to backup as read-only (you can even do this for root; /etc/mtab won't reflect the change, naturally, since it will be on a ro filesystem). ;) Using an LVM snapshot wouldn't require going down to singleuser. With some fast compression you could probably easily fit several backups on one matching HD with very little, if any, speed loss. You really don't need to backup empty space, either. -- taa It is better to copulate than never. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:31:00 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:00 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable Message-ID: <400D9004.5A97AE7F@onlink.net> I spoje too soon. The OpenOffice interface opens, but clicking on anything, I get, An unrecoverable error has occured. All modified files have been saved and can probably be recovered at program restart. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Chris Aitken Subject: open office 641 executable Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:05 -0500 Size: 1056 URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:24:08 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:24:08 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400D8BD9.6050701-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040120202407.GG2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 03:13:13PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Thanks for the reply and the confirmation of what I thought... On the > removeable tray; it isn't an internal removeable tray, it's an external > USB2.0-attached housing that accepts removeable hdd trays. I like it > because it will make it as easy as possible for the client to swap out > the carriers (no [un]plugging the chassis) and the hdd tray is as small > as possible when using a full hdd for backup. I am pretty sure that if you try and remove the HD tray while it is powered, it will get very upset. I think you will have to unplug it first. IDE devices are not designed to be plugged and unplugged while powered. USB is, but that is the USB part of the thing, not the IDE part. SATA supposedly can do hotplugging. > I guess the next step then is to make a manual backup, put the server > into init 1 and then change all the filesystems to LVM... -Shoul- be > easy enough... (I know, why don't I just kick Murphy in the arse and see > if he leaves me alone still, too! ;) ). Well hopefully that works out. Make sure there is room for snapshots too. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 21:02:24 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:02:24 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040120203001.GB43342-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> <20040120203001.GB43342@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <400D9760.8040900@alteeve.com> Hi, I would only drop to runlevel 1 once to convert the filesystem(s) to LVM. After that I would use LVM/snapshot while the server is up. Madison Taavi Burns wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 03:13:13PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> I guess the next step then is to make a manual backup, put the server >>into init 1 and then change all the filesystems to LVM... -Shoul- be >>easy enough... (I know, why don't I just kick Murphy in the arse and see >>if he leaves me alone still, too! ;) ). > > > If you're dropping to singluser mode, you can just remount the fs to backup > as read-only (you can even do this for root; /etc/mtab won't reflect the > change, naturally, since it will be on a ro filesystem). ;) > > Using an LVM snapshot wouldn't require going down to singleuser. > > With some fast compression you could probably easily fit several backups > on one matching HD with very little, if any, speed loss. You really don't > need to backup empty space, either. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 21:04:04 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:04:04 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040120202407.GG2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> <20040120202407.GG2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400D97C4.2090709@alteeve.com> Humm, I may have to remind the client to flip the power before pulling the drive. That would be a good idea anyway because I wouldn't want the drive moved while the platters are still rotating. Madison Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 03:13:13PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Thanks for the reply and the confirmation of what I thought... On the >>removeable tray; it isn't an internal removeable tray, it's an external >>USB2.0-attached housing that accepts removeable hdd trays. I like it >>because it will make it as easy as possible for the client to swap out >>the carriers (no [un]plugging the chassis) and the hdd tray is as small >>as possible when using a full hdd for backup. > > > I am pretty sure that if you try and remove the HD tray while it is > powered, it will get very upset. I think you will have to unplug it > first. IDE devices are not designed to be plugged and unplugged while > powered. USB is, but that is the USB part of the thing, not the IDE > part. SATA supposedly can do hotplugging. > > >> I guess the next step then is to make a manual backup, put the server >>into init 1 and then change all the filesystems to LVM... -Shoul- be >>easy enough... (I know, why don't I just kick Murphy in the arse and see >>if he leaves me alone still, too! ;) ). > > > Well hopefully that works out. Make sure there is room for snapshots > too. > > Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:57:21 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:57:21 -0700 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400D9760.8040900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> <20040120203001.GB43342@idiom.novusordo.net> <400D9760.8040900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040120205721.GA44359@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:02:24PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi, I would only drop to runlevel 1 once to convert the filesystem(s) to > LVM. After that I would use LVM/snapshot while the server is up. Ah, the joy of misunderstandings. :) -- taa It's amazing how much "mature wisdom" resembles being too tired. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 20:59:46 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:59:46 -0700 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040120202407.GG2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> <20040120202407.GG2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040120205946.GB44359@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 03:24:08PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > USB2.0-attached housing that accepts removeable hdd trays. I like it I was just reminded of the LaCie "Bigger Disk", and the advertised transfer rates using its various interfaces: USB2.0: 34MB/s FireWire400: 35MB/s FireWire800: 55MB/s A run of the mill drive probably can't do much better than saturate 35MB/s, though. AFAIK CPU use for USB is much higher than FW, though. Just so you know. -- taa Little girls, like butterflies, need no excuse. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 21:13:00 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:13:00 -0500 Subject: Small DNS snafu... Message-ID: <400D99DC.6000501@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have made so changes (fixes) to my DNS zone files but unfortunately for me I had an original TTL of 1 week on the files (default). Is there anyway anyone knows to notify the root name servers that the record has changed early and to have the re-request the zone data? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 21:09:39 2004 From: awh-z32R3RYGf1M at public.gmane.org (Drew Hamilton) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:09:39 -0500 Subject: Small DNS snafu... In-Reply-To: <400D99DC.6000501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D99DC.6000501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040120210939.GA15848%awh@awh.org> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:13:00PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I have made so changes (fixes) to my DNS zone files but unfortunately > for me I had an original TTL of 1 week on the files (default). Is there > anyway anyone knows to notify the root name servers that the record has > changed early and to have the re-request the zone data? As far as I know, the root name servers don't actually cache the zone data. Your problem is that the zone data is cached on all of the nameservers worldwide that have looked up that zone information in the past week. By the way, thank you for reminding me that I have to shorten my TTLs in preparation for my move next week. - awh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 22:23:26 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:23:26 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable In-Reply-To: <200401201316.37692.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> <400D5B5B.3FF55ED@onlink.net> <200401201316.37692.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040120171800.0a5d2350@localhost> At 13:16 20/01/2004 -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: [snip] >In 10 years you will definitely be able to read >your TeX files (they're ASCII), the same cannot be said for MS Office >document (perhaps OO will prove better in this regard). OO's native file format is XML. There is a great article at that describes OO's file format. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 23:00:32 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:00:32 -0600 Subject: Small DNS snafu... In-Reply-To: <20040120210939.GA15848%awh-z32R3RYGf1M@public.gmane.org> References: <400D99DC.6000501@alteeve.com> <20040120210939.GA15848%awh@awh.org> Message-ID: <200401201700.32056.Garth@Webostics.com> Exactly -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 23:22:24 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: encrypting In-Reply-To: <20040117045414.94680.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117045414.94680.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040120232224.21974.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mel Seder wrote: > I have a text file that changes on a regular basis, say once a day. > > I'd like to > a) securely encrypt it Now, I'll have to start looking for gpgpgutorials (with lots of examples) my only complain about lilinuxs that there are not enenoughtxamples and not enenoughxplanations. Not many people seem to be wrwritingor newbies like myself. ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 23:37:16 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:37:16 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040120194507.GF2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400DBBAC.1030203@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > A USB HD chassis should work. Just remember that you disconnect the USB > after you umount the drive (if mounted), or making sure the disk is > sync'd. The USB boxes are pretty cheap now as far as I know. The HDD > removable trays never made any sense to me, and can only be removed > safely while powered off (or disconnected in the case of USB). Those driver trays were around for years, before USB. At one time it was the only practical way to change drives in a PC. Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 23:55:21 2004 From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:55:21 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400DBBAC.1030203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <400DBBAC.1030203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000001c3dfb0$dd60c290$c864a8c0@teknix> I had three of them for a mini unix computer of mine. Two 40Mb's and a 350Mb drive! And yes they were the size of a small washing machine and twice as heavy!! Alas they did pass-on and the computer ended up in the local landfill, no I didn't throw it out, someone else did without notifying me!! Still ticked about that one... But that's another story... Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of James Knott Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:37 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect Lennart Sorensen wrote: Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 00:12:15 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400DBBAC.1030203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <400DBBAC.1030203@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) Silly question. :-) Not only do I remember disk pack drives, I remember how happy we were to replace ours with Fujitsu Eagle non-disk-pack drives. (The Eagles were possibly the best disk drives ever made. Big and fast for their time, and legendary reliability. It was common to retire them after a decade of continuous flawless operation -- still running fine, but using too much rack space and power, and too obsolete an interface, to be worth keeping. Unfortunately, Fujitsu's later drives were another story.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 00:51:38 2004 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:51:38 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable In-Reply-To: <400D9004.5A97AE7F-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <400D9004.5A97AE7F@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1074646298.8645.9.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> Build 641 is an older version (1.0.3 ??). It could be a glibc problem. Too new? That was an issue with older versions. Perhaps you installed ttf fonts, some are buggy and make OO crash. Try to get a newer OO version (1.1.0) It is a lot faster. JS On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 15:31, Chris Aitken wrote: > I spoje too soon. The OpenOffice interface opens, but clicking on > anything, I get, > > An unrecoverable error has occured. > All modified files have been saved and can probably be recovered at > program restart. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Chris Aitken > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: open office 641 executable > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:05 -0500 > > "J. Schaap" wrote: > > > If you use setup as user without switches is should be installed in your > > home directory. As root use the -net or /net switch for system wide > > install. That way several users are able to use OO. > > Then as user start OO with /whatever/OpenOffice641/soffice (or setup) in > > your home directory. > > OK, that did it. Thanks. > > Chris > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From markino_05-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 01:25:40 2004 From: markino_05-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Fiifi Markin) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:25:40 -0500 Subject: new gentoo install Message-ID: i just insalled gentoo, but i cannot seem to execute the 'su' command from a basic user i have been thinking of recompiling the kernel for starters to c if it would correct the situation. also i need a module for my dell inspiron internal pci card so i can connect to my wireless router hunter _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 01:30:44 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:30:44 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <000001c3dfb0$dd60c290$c864a8c0-da9dYf8AoNY@public.gmane.org> References: <000001c3dfb0$dd60c290$c864a8c0@teknix> Message-ID: <400DD644.3050703@rogers.com> I used to maintain some 90 & 190 MB drives and there were also some 300 MBs around. It was always "fun" to repair them, after a head crash. pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I had three of them for a mini unix computer of mine. > > Two 40Mb's and a 350Mb drive! And yes they were the size of a small > washing machine and twice as heavy!! > > Alas they did pass-on and the computer ended up in the local landfill, > no I didn't throw it out, someone else did without notifying me!! Still > ticked about that one... But that's another story... > > Dan > > -- > Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV > danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of James > Knott > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:37 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 01:24:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:24:47 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400DBBAC.1030203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400DBBAC.1030203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040121012447.GH2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 06:37:16PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Those driver trays were around for years, before USB. At one time it > was the only practical way to change drives in a PC. Of course people running dos didn't mind rebooting as much I guess. > Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) Those 30MB motor eject things? Or do you mean the old 10 or 12" disk platters you inserted in a large head/motor mechanism and hoped not to head crash? I am not THAT old. :) I have seen them and heard of them though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 01:39:33 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:39:33 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <400DD855.1060602@rogers.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > >>Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) > > > Silly question. :-) Not only do I remember disk pack drives, I remember > how happy we were to replace ours with Fujitsu Eagle non-disk-pack drives. > > (The Eagles were possibly the best disk drives ever made. Big and fast > for their time, and legendary reliability. It was common to retire them > after a decade of continuous flawless operation -- still running fine, but > using too much rack space and power, and too obsolete an interface, to be > worth keeping. Unfortunately, Fujitsu's later drives were another story.) We had some of those Fujitsus attached to a Data General S/130, instead of the usual 190 MB Zebra and 90 MB ??? drives. There was a name for the Fujitusus, but I've forgotten that as well. There was also the 10 + 10 MB Gemini cartridge/fixed disk and a 5 + 5 MB ??? cartridge/fixed drive that I also maintained. It's been so many years since I worked on that stuff. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 01:45:35 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:45:35 -0500 Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <20040121012447.GH2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400DBBAC.1030203@rogers.com> <20040121012447.GH2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <400DD9BF.9020803@rogers.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 06:37:16PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Those driver trays were around for years, before USB. At one time it >>was the only practical way to change drives in a PC. > > > Of course people running dos didn't mind rebooting as much I guess. > > >>Anyone here remember disk pack drives? ;-) > > > Those 30MB motor eject things? Or do you mean the old 10 or 12" disk > platters you inserted in a large head/motor mechanism and hoped not to > head crash? I am not THAT old. :) I have seen them and heard of them > though. As I recall, they had 14" platters, arranged in a stack, under a plastic cover. You'd place the pack in the drive and crank down the handle. That would screw the pack to the drive and release the cover, so you could then close the drive and spin up the pack. Those drives had a mount switch, which you use to spin or stop the drive. I worked on them and heard them crash!!! You also didn't want your hand anywhere near the heads, if the power died. I got out of that line of work about 14 years ago. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 04:56:14 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:56:14 -0500 Subject: open office 641 executable In-Reply-To: Message from "J. Schaap" of "Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:51:38 EST." <1074646298.8645.9.camel-SHaz7F0tmiAARPRfHeTXCg@public.gmane.org> References: <400D9004.5A97AE7F@onlink.net> <1074646298.8645.9.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> Message-ID: <20040121045615.2E093411E@cbbrowne.com> > Build 641 is an older version (1.0.3 ??). > It could be a glibc problem. Too new? That was an issue with older > versions. > Perhaps you installed ttf fonts, some are buggy and make OO crash. > Try to get a newer OO version (1.1.0) It is a lot faster. 641 is definitely ancient. And OpenOffice.org is pretty unique in the annals of software in that more recent versions got _way_ faster. I would commend getting a MUCH newer version... -- wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('cbbrowne','ntlug.org'). http://cbbrowne.com/info/sgml.html "Be careful who you pretend to be because you are who you pretend to be." -- Kurt Vonnegut -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From reg.hughson-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 06:14:27 2004 From: reg.hughson-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (rh) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:14:27 -0500 Subject: new gentoo install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040121011427.33c6a51e.reg.hughson@sympatico.ca> "Fiifi Markin" wrote: > i just installed gentoo, but i cannot seem to execute the 'su' command > from a basic user > i have been thinking of recompiling the kernel for starters to c if it > would correct the situation. > also i need a module for my dell inspiron internal pci card so i can > connect to my wireless router > hunter > The user has to be in the 'wheel' group. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 14:55:17 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:55:17 -0700 Subject: new gentoo install In-Reply-To: <20040121011427.33c6a51e.reg.hughson-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040121011427.33c6a51e.reg.hughson@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040121145517.GB72436@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:14:27AM -0500, rh wrote: > "Fiifi Markin" wrote: > > > i just installed gentoo, but i cannot seem to execute the 'su' command > > from a basic user > > i have been thinking of recompiling the kernel for starters to c if it > > would correct the situation. > > also i need a module for my dell inspiron internal pci card so i can > > connect to my wireless router > > hunter > > The user has to be in the 'wheel' group. One would do this on Gentoo using the 'vigr' command, when logged in as root. Go find the line starting with wheel: and add your username to the end of the line (comma separated username list). Recompiling your kernel will not affect this in the slightest (but isn't a bad thing to do; rather a Linux rite of passage, it is) -- taa Money is a powerful aphrodisiac but flowers work almost as well. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 15:43:29 2004 From: forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin C) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Microtek V300 parallel scanner on kernel 2.6.1 Message-ID: <20040121154329.13255.qmail@web14525.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I'm trying to make an old Microtek parallel-only scanner work on a 2.6.1 kernel in Slackware. I've just installed that distribution and compiled kernel 2.6.1, but when I tried to make my scanner work I found out that there are no ppscsi patches for my kernel. Maybe it could be done in some other way... I made it work on 2.4.x patching the kernel and loading sg, ppscsi and onscsi modules, but I can't do it now... Any help? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 16:34:39 2004 From: mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:34:39 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <1074550414.18303.2.camel-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <400EAA1F.1070104@idirect.com> Kareem Shehata wrote: > I've configured my Debian/GNU box to use NTP with the configuration > below. It works well from other Linux boxen, but I can't seem to get > any Windows machines to sync to it, whether by the built-in client or > third-party tools. Is there any trick to making it SNTP compatible? Built-in NTP client? As far as I know there is no built-in NTP client in any version of Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you've set up Samba, you should be able to do the following from the Windows boxes: c:\>net time \\servername /set /yes If you're not already using Samba, or if you're worried about utter precision, then you should probably stick with NTP... the above will either not be precise enough or it will require a service you shouldn't need. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 17:07:38 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:07:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <400EAA1F.1070104-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> <400EAA1F.1070104@idirect.com> Message-ID: <1470.24.101.195.192.1074704858.squirrel@mail.indigofire.net> Mike Kallies said: > Kareem Shehata wrote: >> I've configured my Debian/GNU box to use NTP with the configuration >> below. It works well from other Linux boxen, but I can't seem to get >> any Windows machines to sync to it, whether by the built-in client or >> third-party tools. Is there any trick to making it SNTP compatible? > > Built-in NTP client? > > As far as I know there is no built-in NTP client in any version of > Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong. [snip] Windows XP has a "synchronize to internet time" feature. Hit "Adjust Date/Time" on the tray clock, and you should see the tab if you're in the Administrators group. Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of life's school of war: What does not destroy me, makes me stronger. -- Friedrich Nietzsche, The Twilight of the Idols (1899) ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 17:57:47 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:57:47 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <1470.24.101.195.192.1074704858.squirrel-PKTTN8nhR5Vsnvfx0nWLX9HuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <1470.24.101.195.192.1074704858.squirrel@mail.indigofire.net> Message-ID: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> [ more snipping ] > > Built-in NTP client? > > > > As far as I know there is no built-in NTP client in any version of > > Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > [snip] > > Windows XP has a "synchronize to internet time" feature. Hit "Adjust > Date/Time" on the tray clock, and you should see the tab if you're in the > Administrators group. > Kareem The service is known as "Windows Time" and is required if the computer participates in an Active Directory ( Win 2000 / Win2003 server ). I have found that service to be problematic where a Samba PDC is used instead ( mystery can't find domain controller stuff ). Much easer to put the net time \\ntpcomputer /set:yes in the logon script for the user ( been working fine here for 6 years ), or in the scheduled tasks if not using a Samba PDC. That might not be the most "technically correct" solution but it was a heckuva lot easier than trying to make NTP work for me. (The server updates itself using ntp). - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 18:43:06 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:43:06 -0500 Subject: CD burner for backups? In-Reply-To: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: Currently I back things up on my little network by copying files to an old Mac that I've kept around because it's compatible with some old peripherals. I'd like to retire the machine, but its SCSI CD burner needs to be replaced first. My Dell box that runs SuSE 8.1 has a couple of USB ports (as do the other Macs, as well as their Firewire ports), so I'm thinking something external that works off USB at least and is supported on Linux. (I'll also want it supported on Mac, of course, but I think I can figure that part out.) Any suggestions or recommendations? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 18:57:11 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:57:11 -0700 Subject: CD burner for backups? In-Reply-To: References: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <20040121185711.GA78674@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:43:06PM -0500, Phillip Mills wrote: > peripherals. I'd like to retire the machine, but its SCSI CD burner > needs to be replaced first. > > My Dell box that runs SuSE 8.1 has a couple of USB ports (as do the > other Macs, as well as their Firewire ports), so I'm thinking something > external that works off USB at least and is supported on Linux. (I'll > also want it supported on Mac, of course, but I think I can figure that > part out.) Any suggestions or recommendations? How fast is the CD burner? If it's more than about 4x, I'd probably want something a lot faster than USB1.1, which would be USB2.0. Only the newest Macs come with USB2.0 ports, so perhaps you should consider Firewire. IDE->Firewire 5.25" enclosures run about $70. A 1394 card for the PC would be about another $35. But you said this burner is SCSI. GOOD LUCK. Your better bet may be to find a second hand SCSI controller for the Dell and hope it has expansion slots available for it and the drive (or I suppose you could get an external SCSI enclosure). Or you could just buy yourself a new burner. They're dirt cheap. Or you could get a DVD burner for only $160. -- taa Never do today what you can put off till tomorrow if tomorrow might improve the odds. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 20 22:32:30 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:32:30 +0200 (IST) Subject: External USB2.0 HDD disconnect In-Reply-To: <400D97C4.2090709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D748F.5060505@alteeve.com> <20040120194507.GF2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D8BD9.6050701@alteeve.com> <20040120202407.GG2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <400D97C4.2090709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: There is a hdparam command to put the drive into sleep mode immediately. Maybe there is an equivalent for USB and SCSI. P. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 22:01:19 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:01:19 -0600 Subject: YYZTech newspaper update Message-ID: <007801c3e06a$1b1768a0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> YYZTech update: Just I quick update here about the progress on the YYZTech newspaper: Over the holidays I've talked with the guys I work with at Galazio.ca about helping out with this newspaper. They've agreed to partner up to get it going. To that end, we're looking at having a sample issue ready for end of February/mid-March. This will be for taking around to advertisers to get them on board. The reason for the later date is to allow Galazio to finish up a new web site (dine.to) that the 3 of us having been working on for the last year. So basically where we are is: we've got a team of an editor, graphic designer and sales ready to go. The web-site (yyztech.ca) is registered and I'm going to be putting a proper web site together over the next month. I know a number of people contact me before the holidays about what they'd like to see, articles and sections they'd be interested in writing for. I'd like to get 2-3 articles for the first issue so if anyone has something they'd like to submit, or any questions, just e-mail me at zhunt-+WCLLqhQS9Gw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thanks, Zoltan Hunt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 21:03:57 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:03:57 -0500 Subject: CD burner for backups? In-Reply-To: <20040121185711.GA78674-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040121185711.GA78674@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <53F562CA-4C55-11D8-A225-00039310151E@axxent.ca> On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 01:57 PM, Taavi Burns wrote: > Or you could just buy > yourself a new burner. They're dirt cheap. That's actually what I meant when I said, "replaced". :-) I guess the question is about Linux compatibility (kernel, drivers?) for a CD burner connected via USB. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 21:50:59 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:50:59 -0700 Subject: CD burner for backups? In-Reply-To: <53F562CA-4C55-11D8-A225-00039310151E-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <20040121185711.GA78674@idiom.novusordo.net> <53F562CA-4C55-11D8-A225-00039310151E@axxent.ca> Message-ID: <20040121215059.GA83271@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:03:57PM -0500, Phillip Mills wrote: > On Wednesday, January 21, 2004, at 01:57 PM, Taavi Burns wrote: > >Or you could just buy > >yourself a new burner. They're dirt cheap. > > That's actually what I meant when I said, "replaced". :-) > > I guess the question is about Linux compatibility (kernel, drivers?) > for a CD burner connected via USB. Dunno! I'd like to, though, as I'd expect a similar level of support between USB and Firewire, and I'm looking at getting a DVD burner in a firewire enclosure soon. I know that it'll Just Work on my powerbook, but I've yet to find anything definite on the linux side (just hedgy maybes on old mailing list archives). -- taa Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 22:51:19 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:51:19 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040121181712.A5C82E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <400F0267.5090500@rogers.com> Gregory Pleau wrote: > [ more snipping ] > > >>>Built-in NTP client? >>> >>>As far as I know there is no built-in NTP client in any version of >>>Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong. >> >>[snip] >> >>Windows XP has a "synchronize to internet time" feature. Hit "Adjust >>Date/Time" on the tray clock, and you should see the tab if you're in the >>Administrators group. >>Kareem > > > The service is known as "Windows Time" and is required if the computer > participates in an Active Directory ( Win 2000 / Win2003 server ). I have > found that service to be problematic where a Samba PDC is used instead ( > mystery can't find domain controller stuff ). Actually, you don't have to. I've got XP Home edition here. I'm not using Acitive Directory, yet I have no problem connecting to time.nist.gov.. As far as I know,the Home edition can't even connect to a domain. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 21 23:41:43 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:41:43 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <400EAA1F.1070104-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1074550414.18303.2.camel@localhost> <400EAA1F.1070104@idirect.com> Message-ID: <400F0E37.1030901@rogers.com> Mike Kallies wrote: > Kareem Shehata wrote: > >> I've configured my Debian/GNU box to use NTP with the configuration >> below. It works well from other Linux boxen, but I can't seem to get >> any Windows machines to sync to it, whether by the built-in client or >> third-party tools. Is there any trick to making it SNTP compatible? > > > Built-in NTP client? > > As far as I know there is no built-in NTP client in any version of > Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You can configure XP to automatically connect to a time server site. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 00:20:42 2004 From: gregory.pleau-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gregory Pleau) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:20:42 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <400F0267.5090500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <400F0267.5090500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040122004008.62873E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> < big snip > > > The service is known as "Windows Time" and is required if the computer > > participates in an Active Directory ( Win 2000 / Win2003 server ). I > have > > found that service to be problematic where a Samba PDC is used instead ( > > mystery can't find domain controller stuff ). > > Actually, you don't have to. I've got XP Home edition here. I'm not > using Acitive Directory, yet I have no problem connecting to > time.nist.gov.. As far as I know,the Home edition can't even connect to > a domain. > Exactly - Windows XP Home would not be talking to a Samba PDC (could talk to a Samba workgroup - and that could still technically use the "net time" method, but why bother for one machine), so the above would not apply to that situation. This thread isn't really about connecting to the default MS servers ( time.nist.gov ), it's more about connecting to a local Linux based NTP server. I use the above method because I have several hundred computers to keep in sync across the country. I'm having the Windows clients use "net time" to their local Linux servers, which are sync'ing with ntp back to Toronto, which in turn is using time.nist.gov. Works like a charm - with the Windows Time service turned off, so I'm not running an unnecessary service just to keep the time in sync. Granted I'm not exactly doing anything here that can't be a second or two off. Well actually I got tired of hearing that the computer time didn't match the time on the office phones. So I decided that the only way to prove the -phones- were off was to sync everybody to a well known atomic clock.... - Greg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 00:04:58 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:04:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Small DNS snafu... In-Reply-To: <400D99DC.6000501-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <400D99DC.6000501@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3386.216.138.194.32.1074729898.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > Hi all, > > I have made so changes (fixes) to my DNS zone files but unfortunately > for me I had an original TTL of 1 week on the files (default). Is there > anyway anyone knows to notify the root name servers that the record has > changed early and to have the re-request the zone data? Add to the serial in the xone file and restsart the dns server. -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 00:31:41 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:31:41 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <20040122004008.62873E7C66-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122004008.62873E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <400F19ED.1000809@rogers.com> Gregory Pleau wrote: > < big snip > OUCH!!! ;-) > Well actually I got tired of hearing that the computer time didn't match the > time on the office phones. So I decided that the only way to prove the > -phones- were off was to sync everybody to a well known atomic clock.... One time at work, I commented that a particular clock was off by several seconds. I was told it couldn't be, because it derived it's time from the digital network clock. What that person didn't realize was that the network clock (deverived from atomic standard via Loran C) only provided an extremely accurate time base, not clock time. The clock itself was manually set. So if it was set several seconds off, it would continue to precisely maintain that exact error. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 00:30:33 2004 From: kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org (Keith Mastin) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:30:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: how to increase existing partition ? In-Reply-To: <20040118034203.GF7177-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040117145823.GA7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040117191253.49924.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> <20040118034203.GF7177@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <3544.216.138.194.32.1074731433.squirrel@www.beechtree.ca> > If it is a busy mail server, having a seperate dir may make sense. > Depends how much mail you are handling and storing. I hate seperate > /boot. What if I want to store 35MB of kernels and initrds? Now where > am I supposed to store them if /boot is full. It's not useful in > general (I do use them with software raid1 to get around boot loader > limitations, where I make it 64MB or so). You can leave a /boot patition unmounted and inaccessible to everyone but root. This can't be done if it's just another dir in /. Moving older kernels is not really a problem. /root is a good place to store sensitive files -- Keith Mastin (416)429 9304 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 02:21:52 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:21:52 -0500 Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? References: <200401172133.50603.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <400F33C0.3F83EB37@onlink.net> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On January 17, 2004 04:04 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > What sound drivers does Debian use ? OSS ? > > Whichever ones you want it to. > > 2.4 kernels come only with OSS drivers as far as I know. Do an "apt-cache > search alsa" That's the syntax? apt-cache search alsa > and you'll see modules for alsa that can be installed if that is > what you want. If you're running kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 then you would > have to "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686". > > If you're running the 2.6 kernel you get your choice of alsa or oss drivers. > Chris [...] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 02:34:22 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:34:22 -0500 Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? In-Reply-To: <400F33C0.3F83EB37-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401172133.50603.fraser@wehave.net> <400F33C0.3F83EB37@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200401212134.22791.fraser@wehave.net> On January 21, 2004 09:21 pm, Chris Aitken wrote: > > 2.4 kernels come only with OSS drivers as far as I know. Do an > > "apt-cache search alsa" > > That's the syntax? > > apt-cache search alsa That will get you a list of packages that mention alsa. You can find the appropriate one for your kernel from that list per instructions below. > > and you'll see modules for alsa that can be installed if that is > > what you want. If you're running kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 then you > > would have to "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686". You probably need alsa-base and alsa-utils in addition to the appropriate kernel modules. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 04:54:08 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:54:08 -0500 Subject: NTP with Windows Clients In-Reply-To: <20040122004008.62873E7C66-Ht5ggzGNZTCezz2zDFMvTfd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122004008.62873E7C66@gateway.vipond.ca> Message-ID: <400F5770.1000801@shehata.ca> Gregory Pleau wrote: >I use the above method because I have several hundred computers to keep in >sync across the country. I'm having the Windows clients use "net time" to >their local Linux servers, which are sync'ing with ntp back to Toronto, >which in turn is using time.nist.gov. Works like a charm - with the Windows >Time service turned off, so I'm not running an unnecessary service just to >keep the time in sync. Granted I'm not exactly doing anything here that >can't be a second or two off. > > Did you have to do anything special to make that work? I've tried the net time trick with no success. Can you spot anything in my ntp.conf that's missing? Thanks, Kareem -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 13:42:03 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:42:03 -0500 Subject: CUPS first-timer References: <400C0BA7.FC00DEEA@onlink.net> <1074559085.328.14.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <400FD32B.B0C15AF1@onlink.net> Paul Mora wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 11:53, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > Status Information: > > sending job 'lsf-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org+827' to hp at localhost > > connecting to 'localhost', attempt 1 > > cannot open connection to localhost - No such file or directory > > Make sure the remotee host supports the LPD protocol > > abnd acceptsconnections from this host and from non-privileged (<1023) > > ports. > > > > Description: > > Location: lp0 > > Printer state: idle, accepting jobs > > Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 > > > > Any ideas. Seems to be tryign to print over a network, yet the CUPS test > > happily prints to the printer port. > > Hi Chris. > > I don't know what distro you're using, so some of what I'm about to say > may or may not work as specified. I'm basing this on Red Hat Linux 9, > which is what I've used CUPS on. > > 1. Make sure CUPS is running. OK. I got it running with /sbin/service cups start > If you've made changes to the config, > make sure you restart the CUPS daemon. This can usually be done with a > "service cups restart" or "killall -HUP cupsd" or something like that. OK - I used killall -HUP cupsd > > 2. Red Hat systems allow you to have both LPRng and CUPS installed at > the same time, but only one running. Yeah - I chose LPRng (default) - I thought it was one of two CUPS - why would CUPS cinfiguration offer LPRng when it is not CUPS? > Both have been packaged to use the > "alternatives" utility to switch links for the binaries to the > appropriate package. From your above output, it looks like your lpr > command is pointing to the one for LPRng, not the one for CUPS. > > To see which one you're pointing to, run "alternatives --display > print". bash: alternatives: command not found > The first couple of lines should say something like: > > print - status is auto. > link currently points to /usr/bin/lpr.cups [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /usr/sbin/alternatives --display print print - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/lpr.LPRng > > If the link is pointing to /usr/bin/lpr.LPRng, then switch it over using > the command: "alternatives --set print /usr/bin/lpr.cups" OK. /usr/sbin/alternatives --set print /usr/bin/lpr.cups > > Also, turn off LPRng and disable it with: > service lpd stop OK. [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/service lpd stop Stopping lpd: [FAILED] > > chkconfig lpd off [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/chkconfig lpd off [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# > > 3. Even though you're printing to a local printer, CUPS still prints via > the "network" through localhost. The CUPS service uses the Internet > Printing Protocol (IPP) which is very closely based on HTTP. Make sure > you don't have any iptables rules that block stuff to loopback. > > 4. Some other print commands that may be on your system are "qtcups" and > "kprinter"; both of them emulate the print dialog box in Windows. > > That's all I can come up with right now... see if that works. It did. I'm printing with CUPS! Thank you. I'll keep hard and soft copies of this email. Printed with CUPS, of course. : ) Chris linux is easy once you know how to do it (TM) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 15:44:51 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:44:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: automate ssh login Message-ID: <20040122154451.96586.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> hello, I need to write a perl script to automate a ssh login. the script is run by system user 'lp' which doesn't have a home directory. i was using Net::SSH::Perl but the implementation is too slow in my case. so i thought i would opt for ssh Key authtication. since 'lp' doesn't have a home dir, i have to go all the way trouble to do login from a user who has a home dir, then use the generated .ssh dir for the 'lp' user. it's a pain to set it up but it works. but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command line ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? thanks, Qiang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 15:51:09 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:51:09 -0700 Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122154451.96586.qmail-o3hY8HCn/eSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122154451.96586.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040122155109.GA38220@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:44:51AM -0800, James wrote: > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command line > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? When using ssh in a bunch of pipes, it will "do the right thing" and ask for authentication from your terminal. There is no way to provide username and password as commandline parameters, though, as they would be visible to anyone else on the system (via top or ps). What does the script actually do? Does it remotely execute a program? Does it copy files? -- taa No intelligent man has any respect for an unjust law. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 16:32:15 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:32:15 -0500 Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122154451.96586.qmail-o3hY8HCn/eSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122154451.96586.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040122163215.GI2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:44:51AM -0800, James wrote: > hello, > > > I need to write a perl script to automate a ssh login. the script is run by system user 'lp' which > doesn't have a home directory. > > i was using Net::SSH::Perl but the implementation is too slow in my case. so i thought i would opt > for ssh Key authtication. since 'lp' doesn't have a home dir, i have to go all the way trouble to > do login from a user who has a home dir, then use the generated .ssh dir for the 'lp' user. it's > a pain to set it up but it works. > > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command line > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? An explanation of why you even need to do this hack might be good, since there may be much better solutions around than what you are trying to do. If there is concern about encrypting data transfers between systems for printing, perhaps cupsys with SSL would make sense. It is far superior to lpd/lpr/etc anyhow, and even works for windows 2000 and XP directly. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 16:44:31 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:44:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122155109.GA38220-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122155109.GA38220@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040122164431.33572.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> --- Taavi Burns wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:44:51AM -0800, James wrote: > > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command > line > > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? > > When using ssh in a bunch of pipes, it will "do the right thing" and ask for authentication > from your terminal. There is no way to provide username and password as commandline > parameters, though, as they would be visible to anyone else on the system (via top or ps). that's what i know of. but hoping there is solution to it other than using the public authentication key. i may just off with two choice for this script, either use Net::SSH::perl or the authentication key. though, the first one is slow but easy to use. the second is pain to set it up. > What does the script actually do? Does it remotely execute a program? Does it copy > files? it logs in a remote machine and runs a command. this script run by 'lp'. let me know if you need more detail. Qiang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 16:52:25 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:52:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: with more detail --- Re:automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122163215.GI2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122163215.GI2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040122165225.17505.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:44:51AM -0800, James wrote: > > hello, > > > > > > I need to write a perl script to automate a ssh login. the script is run by system user 'lp' > which > > doesn't have a home directory. > > > > i was using Net::SSH::Perl but the implementation is too slow in my case. so i thought i would > opt > > for ssh Key authtication. since 'lp' doesn't have a home dir, i have to go all the way > trouble to > > do login from a user who has a home dir, then use the generated .ssh dir for the 'lp' user. > it's > > a pain to set it up but it works. > > > > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command > line > > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? > > An explanation of why you even need to do this hack might be good, since > there may be much better solutions around than what you are trying to > do. okay here is bit rundown of what i am doing. this script is invoked by the print quota management script which interface with LPRng. user's print job is forwarded from samba server to the print server where the quota being checked and error being reported to user. the error is sent by login to the samba server and send the windows popup message to the user. the script i am in question does the login samba server and run smbclient command to send popup msg. > If there is concern about encrypting data transfers between systems for > printing, perhaps cupsys with SSL would make sense. It is far superior > to lpd/lpr/etc anyhow, and even works for windows 2000 and XP directly. that's not a concern. Qiang. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 19:54:40 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 22 Jan 2004 14:54:40 -0500 Subject: Perl Haiku Poetry Contest Message-ID: Hi guys, I'm sure that there are some people that like Perl around here. Enjoy. ********************************** Perl Haiku Poetry Contest Tell us why you love Perl VANCOUVER, BC - JANUARY 21, 2004 - ActiveState is pleased to announce the ActiveState Perl Haiku Poetry Contest. Do you love Perl as much as we do? 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 21:23:06 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:23:06 +0200 (IST) Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 Message-ID: An article in a French newspaper about the birth of the Macintosh, by its 'father' (no it was not Steve Jobs ?), with references to the fact that the Mac UI was not a clone of anything done at Xerox PARC. I find it very interesting (in French): http://www.liberation.com/page.php?Article=172907 Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 21:35:09 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:35:09 -0500 Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040122213509.GJ2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:23:06PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > An article in a French newspaper about the birth of the Macintosh, by its > 'father' (no it was not Steve Jobs ?), with references to the fact that > the Mac UI was not a clone of anything done at Xerox PARC. I find it very > interesting (in French): > > http://www.liberation.com/page.php?Article=172907 Well I don't think anyone claims the Mac UI was a clone of the xerox parc stuff, just that the concept was borrowed from xerox parc's work. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 21:46:11 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:46:11 -0700 Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040122214611.GA51255@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:23:06PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > An article in a French newspaper about the birth of the Macintosh, by its > 'father' (no it was not Steve Jobs ?), with references to the fact that Indeed. Jobs was the business brain. Woz was the tech head. http://www.woz.org is great reading. :) -- taa Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 22:14:54 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:14:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 In-Reply-To: <20040122213509.GJ2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122213509.GJ2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:23:06PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > An article in a French newspaper about the birth of the Macintosh, by its > > 'father' (no it was not Steve Jobs ?), with references to the fact that > > the Mac UI was not a clone of anything done at Xerox PARC. I find it very > > interesting (in French): > > > > http://www.liberation.com/page.php?Article=172907 > > Well I don't think anyone claims the Mac UI was a clone of the xerox > parc stuff, just that the concept was borrowed from xerox parc's work. Actually the article claims it wasn't, and it's probably true. There is a referenec to a book about user interfaces. Trackballs and joysticks were not invented at PARC, they had been in use in various (mechanical) forms in drafting and scientific equipment for half a century or more. I wonder who came up with the name joystick. And why no-one censed it. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 22:34:37 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:34:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > ...Trackballs and joysticks were > not invented at PARC, they had been in use in various (mechanical) forms > in drafting and scientific equipment for half a century or more. Nobody's ever claimed that anything about the *hardware* was new. Even the mouse was invented by neither Apple nor PARC. > I wonder who came up with the name joystick. And why no-one censed it. My dictionary says it probably came from, well, just what you'd think, and seems to have been invented by early aviators -- a crude lot, it would appear. :-) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 22 22:53:01 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:53:01 -0500 Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122154451.96586.qmail-o3hY8HCn/eSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122154451.96586.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4010544D.3030704@rogers.com> James wrote: > hello, > > > I need to write a perl script to automate a ssh login. the script is run by system user 'lp' which > doesn't have a home directory. > > i was using Net::SSH::Perl but the implementation is too slow in my case. so i thought i would opt > for ssh Key authtication. since 'lp' doesn't have a home dir, i have to go all the way trouble to > do login from a user who has a home dir, then use the generated .ssh dir for the 'lp' user. it's > a pain to set it up but it works. > > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command line > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? As I recall, you can configure ssh to not require a password, by using digital signatures. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 02:45:02 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:45:02 -0500 Subject: debian: what sound drivers ? In-Reply-To: <200401212134.22791.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401172133.50603.fraser@wehave.net> <400F33C0.3F83EB37@onlink.net> <200401212134.22791.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040123024502.GB26656@m450> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 09:34:22PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote > On January 21, 2004 09:21 pm, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > > 2.4 kernels come only with OSS drivers as far as I know. Do an > > > "apt-cache search alsa" > > > > That's the syntax? > > > > apt-cache search alsa > > That will get you a list of packages that mention alsa. You can find the > appropriate one for your kernel from that list per instructions below. > > > > and you'll see modules for alsa that can be installed if that is > > > what you want. If you're running kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 then you > > > would have to "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686". > > You probably need alsa-base and alsa-utils in addition to the appropriate > kernel modules. My approach is to run dselect and select 2 [S]elect to get out of the intro then search with the command /alsa-modules dselect tells you if anything extra is required when you select a module. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 02:46:10 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:46:10 -0500 Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122164431.33572.qmail-0vEVcxlXFHuA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122155109.GA38220@idiom.novusordo.net> <20040122164431.33572.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040123024610.GC26656@m450> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 08:44:31AM -0800, James wrote > > What does the script actually do? Does it remotely execute a > > program? Does it copy files? > > it logs in a remote machine and runs a command. this script run by 'lp'. I have a remote inbox at clss.net because they allow me to blacklist and whitelist based on DNSbls, envelope-sender, rDNS (or total lack thereof, as the case may be), CIDR, etc, etc and I control my own configuration. I POP email from home with mutt using the following script... #!/bin/bash -i /usr/bin/ssh -P -f -L 10110:pop3.clss.net:110 my_userID-1sV0mdQTbhc at public.gmane.org sleep 25 /usr/bin/mutt -F /home/waltdnes/.symmutt/clssmuttrc The line with "sleep 25" is a necessary dummy command. It keeps the connection open for the first 25 seconds whilst mutt negotiates with the remote server. Note that the connection will stay open much longer than the initial 25 seconds if necessary. It shuts down when the last process using it has let go of the connection. The only change to clssmuttrc was to connect to POP server 127.0.0.1 (or localhost) on port 10110. ssh forwards it to pop3.clss.net:110. Since the conversation is tunneled over ssh, there's no problem with sending clear-text userID/password from Toronto to Logansport, Indiana. But what if you want to execute a given command on the remote machine and log out. There are a couple of options... 1) You can put the command and the logout in the user's profile. 2) You can set the remote command as the user's "shell". Upon finishing, the user will be automatically logged out. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 03:22:31 2004 From: pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Kozlenko) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:22:31 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email In-Reply-To: <400D639D.3020900-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <400D639D.3020900@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <1074828151.2721.9.camel@moon.home.ca> Another alternate product is one from a company called Bynari. http://www.bynari.net/ - Paul On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 12:21, Patrick Allen wrote: > Greetings, > > I hope this post isn't to "newbie" for this particular list. But I'm > looking for some direction from folk that have experience. > > The company I work for is looking to implement some kind of inter-office > communication. We're a small company and I'm the closest thing to IT > that we have, so I'm gathering information on possibilities. > > I've been using Linux at home for a few years. Mostly Mandrake Distros. > But there are many features of it I've yet to explore. I'm still > quite green in many areas. > > The "Boss" has just acquired a working knowledge of Outlook and would > like to have some way of sharing Calendars and To-Do lists etc. with his > employees. I'm aware of several ways of doing this. But having no > experience implementing any of them, I'm looking for a place to start. > > MS Exchange may well be the way we'll end up going. But not if I can > provide another *timely* and working solution. I have played with the > Knoppix More Groupware disk and it looked very promising. I'm also > aware of the Opengroupware project. However I'm not sure if either of > these packages would be simple enough for me to implement and maintain. > > I still struggle with just getting my Win machines to see Linux shares > at home, so I'm wondering if something of this magnitude is simply out > of my realm. > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 03:26:22 2004 From: blanco-S8qYAnHmZTt34ZA5RureAJ4VBq8PJc8F at public.gmane.org (Max Blanco) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:26:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: News about "City of Toronto" project? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hugh's comments are well-heeded. I'm sorry that I am unable to join in the effort, too. My advice would be to document everything, institute an open/transparent agenda and meeting process for yourselves, and have your homework well done before anyone approaches the city (eg. which distro will you use?). I have to sign off this list for now. Thanks to everyone who helped with my debian ppc/linux questions. max. On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Robert Brockway > > | On Jan 12th a group of us met at a local restaurant. We are formulating a > | short document to present to the upcoming budget sessions the council > | announced recently. > > Sorry that I'm not able to be active in this. Sounds like a neat > project! > > I have a little (bad) experience with this kind of thing. It suggests > that waiting for a public meeting is way too late. Real decision > making is too messy to be done in public. Most decisions are made > before the public meetings. At the very least, groundwork for the > decisions is laid before the meeting; that groundwork determines > the outcome of the meeting. This is why lobbying is necessary. > > Note: I'm not saying that lobbying is evil. I think that the system > actually make sense. The decisions are way too complex to be laid out > and solved within a meeting. > > I strongly suggest that folks find out who the players are in this > decision and meet with them to explore what is possible. > > Lobbying should be a two way street: you need to listen as well as > talk. They have an idea (I hope) of what functionality they need. > You might be able to help them refine or adjust this. Then there is > the question of mechanisms to meet those needs. > > I suspect that the worst problem is that they have an idea of what > solutions they want rather than what problems they wish to solve. > > You need to talk to politicians AND staff. I suspect it is going to > take some digging to find out to whom it is worth talking. > > Hugh Redelmeier > hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 03:35:06 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:35:06 -0600 Subject: Email money transfers Message-ID: <200401222135.06601.Garth@Webostics.com> Sorry, not Linux, at least not on the surface. I recently encountered one of us that apparently hasn't heard of an email money transfer. I deal at TD Canada Trust and yes, I know that the Royal Bank boycotted the transactions because of a great loss in Western Union etc etc etc but none of that really matters. I would just like someone else to simply verify that the email money transfer process is 100% secure and legitimate. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 03:40:34 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:40:34 -0600 Subject: Email money transfers In-Reply-To: <200401222135.06601.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401222135.06601.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401222140.34149.Garth@Webostics.com> And that if I think a simple thank you in the form of like $20 or $25 for somebody to Canada Post me the set of CD's with like Redhat or Mandrake (whatever) on them "Without changing anything" etc is quite legal and actually not frowned upon at all by the distro owner. Thanks again. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 03:41:08 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:41:08 -0500 Subject: Inter-office email Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1687@lynchmail.lynch.msft> If you want to share common folders and files than Samba can do that for you. You don't need Exchange to do that. You may also want to look at some Document management solutions if you want to centralize directories and files under a project heading. It is quite possible to provide an IMAP server setup with LDAP for a central address book for the rest of your needs. Using an IMAP server will avoid the need for any proprietary connector and will also mean any email client you choose can connect. There are many web mail clients to choose from. I am also currently using PHPcollab. It is very simplistic, but it serves my purpose for now. Is there any other Exchange feature that needs addressing or have I missed something? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Allen [mailto:pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:23 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Inter-office email Wil McGilvery wrote: > Are you looking for: > > Open source or just an alternative solution? My personal choice would be an open source solution. But this may not be the best choice in this case. > Both Client and Server solutions? I believe in this case we would require both server and client solutions. > Linux only or Win/Linux compatible? The clients will all be Windows. But the server needn't necessarily be so. There are several "spare" computers available to me that could easily be integrated into our network. > Web Solution? If you mean a PHP based web solution that would be locally hosted, this is what I'm currently leaning toward. One feature we would like is to be able to share common folders and files for better project tracking. I'm not sure if this would be possible with an externally hosted solution. Thanks for all the feedback so far. Patrick Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 04:21:04 2004 From: pkozlenko-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Kozlenko) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:21:04 -0500 Subject: Email money transfers In-Reply-To: <200401222135.06601.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401222135.06601.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <1074831663.2789.25.camel@moon.home.ca> I can see a person being skeptical when being prompted by a site that is unknown/unfamiliar to them. And is asking them to log into what appears to be their own banking web site with a user code and password It may depend on how well (if at all) the two individuals know each other. - Paul On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 22:35, Garth Meisel wrote: > Sorry, not Linux, at least not on the surface. I recently encountered one of > us that apparently hasn't heard of an email money transfer. I deal at TD > Canada Trust and yes, I know that the Royal Bank boycotted the transactions > because of a great loss in Western Union etc etc etc but none of that really > matters. I would just like someone else to simply verify that the email > money transfer process is 100% secure and legitimate. Thanks. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davey-kGEj4qu2WI33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 06:12:10 2004 From: davey-kGEj4qu2WI33fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (David Hill) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:12:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: automate ssh login In-Reply-To: <20040122164431.33572.qmail-0vEVcxlXFHuA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040122164431.33572.qmail@web40210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: man ssh - will give you all the info you need ... ssh-keygen - to make RSA. don't enter password copy key to server and put in ~/.ssh/ edit authorized_keys to run command on server run: ssh root-br3q3gDaRRhcicmfGPyQcCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org halt That should shutdown your computer at this.is.a.domain.ca RSA/DSA keys are easy don't run away from them. It takes a total of 4 commands tops to setup RSA/DSA auth. -davey On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, James wrote: > > --- Taavi Burns wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 07:44:51AM -0800, James wrote: > > > but this script will be used for other department too and log in to different server. i am > > > wondering if there is a way as easy as to provide user name and password from the ssh command > > line > > > ? or, works better and easiser set up in my case ? > > > > When using ssh in a bunch of pipes, it will "do the right thing" and ask for authentication > > from your terminal. There is no way to provide username and password as commandline > > parameters, though, as they would be visible to anyone else on the system (via top or ps). > > that's what i know of. but hoping there is solution to it other than using the public > authentication key. i may just off with two choice for this script, either use Net::SSH::perl or > the authentication key. though, the first one is slow but easy to use. the second is pain to set > it up. > > > What does the script actually do? Does it remotely execute a program? Does it copy > > files? > > it logs in a remote machine and runs a command. this script run by 'lp'. > > let me know if you need more detail. > > > Qiang > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 06:07:32 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:07:32 -0600 Subject: Email money transfers In-Reply-To: <1074831663.2789.25.camel-RJ0C4DsYwW9AFePFGvp55w@public.gmane.org> References: <200401222135.06601.Garth@Webostics.com> <1074831663.2789.25.camel@moon.home.ca> Message-ID: <200401230007.32889.Garth@Webostics.com> Sorry guys, I forgot you're 2 hours before me here in Gopherburg SK. : ) Let's give it until tomorrow when everyone goes to work or gets back from work etc etc etc. : ) Skeptical can be good. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 13:58:47 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:58:47 -0500 Subject: [DNS reverse-lookup] Message-ID: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9@execulink.com> Greetings, I've recently installed a Linux OS on a 1200 series ThinkPad. It has a winmodem entangled with it's sound card so neither work. I tried a usb linksys adapter for a nic, but kernels<2.4.21 don't support it (ax8817x.o). So I opted for a linksys PCMCI card and it is fully supported. My question is what causes a reverse lookup of 224.0.0.251 at 4:03 am from this adapter and how can I stop it? Thanks, farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:09:46 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:09:46 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) Message-ID: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Hi all, Here is a little bit of an odd question; Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues (and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic (ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:08:33 2004 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:08:33 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <40112B2A.7080507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040123090833.0072a238@mail.look.ca> At 09:09 2004-01-23 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > > Here is a little bit of an odd question; > > Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure >what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way >of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues >(and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic >(ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other >people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. > > I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the >list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! > >Madison bugzilla ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:16:24 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:16:24 -0500 Subject: [DNS reverse-lookup] In-Reply-To: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <40112CB8.5050009@alteeve.com> Hi, I did a quick manual reverse lookup and nada... You might want to try grep'ing for the IP in /etc, /sbin, /bin or /home to see if you can figure out which file has that IP address in it and then read up on that file/program for your specific answers. The other option is to add a line to iptables that says if trying to contact that IP from localhost, drop. hth, Madison GDHough wrote: > Greetings, > > I've recently installed a Linux OS on a 1200 series ThinkPad. It has a > winmodem entangled with it's sound card so neither work. I tried a usb > linksys adapter for a nic, but kernels<2.4.21 don't support it (ax8817x.o). > So I opted for a linksys PCMCI card and it is fully supported. > > My question is what causes a reverse lookup of 224.0.0.251 at 4:03 am from > this adapter and how can I stop it? > > > Thanks, > farmer6re9 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:29:09 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040123090833.0072a238-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20040123090833.0072a238@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <40112FB5.2060902@alteeve.com> Terrence Enger wrote: > At 09:09 2004-01-23 -0500, you wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >> Here is a little bit of an odd question; >> >> Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure >>what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way >>of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues >>(and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic >>(ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other >>people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. >> >> I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the >>list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! >> >>Madison > > > bugzilla ? That is a bug tracking system more aimed at software development, it seems. Reading the overview it doesn't quite look like it will work for me. More specifically, I want to have something where when a tech comes across an issue (ie, an installation problem of a given server service) that they can search for previous encounters with this problem, and if it exists, help them solve the problem quickly. If the issue is new, then let them enter the error details and what they finally figured out worked for them. An example I can offer is a BIND configuration issue I ran into: Problem: The server 'named' starts and no error messages are printed to syslog but when trying to query the server the error; [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# When you set the debug level by stopping the service and reloading it manually with '# named -d 2 &' and then look at the file '/var/named/named.run' you see the following error: Jan 16 15:47:29.208 couldn't open pid file '/var/run/named/named.pid': Permission denied Jan 16 15:47:29.209 exiting (due to early fatal error) Solution: The problem is that the directory shown (ie /var/run/named') can't be written to by bind as invoked. To solve either change the permissions or add to 'named.conf' the 'option' entry 'pid-file "/var/named/named.pid";' (substitute with a directory where 'named' can write to). If you are manually invoking 'named' at the console be sure to launch it as 'named' by entering 'named -u named '. Problem: The slave server(s) generate errors like; Jan 20 12:09:23 alteeve named[12756]: zone madisonave.ca/IN: refresh: \ unexpected rcode (SERVFAIL) from master 209.167.86.46#53 Solution: There is a problem with your zone file or 'named.conf' configuration file. Review, fix and reload. In the example above, the error was that 'ns[1|2].madisonave.ca' was in the zone file twice, once as an ?A? record and again as a ?CNAME? record. Problem: The master server generates an error like; Jan 20 16:07:15 triton named[4371]: dns_rdata_fromtext: db.madisonave.ca:23 \ near 'madisonave.ca.':bad dotted quad Jan 20 16:07:15 triton named[4371]: zone madisonave.ca/IN: loading master\ file db.madisonave.ca: bad dotted quad Solution: The zone name and IP address are on the wrong sides of the ?A? in your zone file. Be sure that the name is first and the IP address follows then reload the zone data. This way, too, if a more junior tech is working a help desk and a client calls in with a problem the tech can search for the errors (in this case by restricting the search to "DNS") and also record private information specific to the customer and assign case numbers. Thanks again! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:22:10 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:22:10 -0500 Subject: [DNS reverse-lookup] In-Reply-To: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20040123142210.GG32132@paip.net> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 08:58:47AM -0500, GDHough wrote: > My question is what causes a reverse lookup of 224.0.0.251 at 4:03 am from > this adapter and how can I stop it? 224.0.0.251 is a multicast address. A quick Google search says that it's used by mDNS (multicast DNS). That's a place to start looking, I guess. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:27:44 2004 From: lists-tZhE6lH4Esk+k03BA+Hq9g at public.gmane.org (Oliver Meyn) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:27:44 -0500 Subject: [DNS reverse-lookup] In-Reply-To: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <1074868064.4980.1.camel@theconstruct.mineallmeyn.net> On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 08:58, GDHough wrote: > Greetings, > > I've recently installed a Linux OS on a 1200 series ThinkPad. It has a > winmodem entangled with it's sound card so neither work. I tried a usb > linksys adapter for a nic, but kernels<2.4.21 don't support it (ax8817x.o). > So I opted for a linksys PCMCI card and it is fully supported. > > My question is what causes a reverse lookup of 224.0.0.251 at 4:03 am from > this adapter and how can I stop it? > Maybe check cron for jobs at 4:03? Oliver -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:18:51 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:18:51 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <40112FB5.2060902-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <3.0.3.32.20040123090833.0072a238@mail.look.ca> <40112FB5.2060902@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <40112D4B.5010705@pcsecurityonline.com> Just to name a few... http://sourceforge.net/projects/dotproject/ PHP web-based project management framework that includes modules for companies, projects, tasks (with Gantt charts), forums, files, calendar, contacts, tickets/helpdesk, multi-language support, user/module permissions and themes http://sourceforge.net/projects/myhelpdesk/ MyHelpdesk is a PHP/MySQL Helpdesk system appropriate for the Support Desk of small organizations. The system was originally based on the OneOrZero Helpdesk but with a different set of features. http://sourceforge.net/projects/irm/ IRM is a Web-based asset and problem tracking system built for IT departments and helpdesks. It keeps detailed information, both hardware and software, about each computer, as well as a complete history of all work http://sourceforge.net/projects/phphelpdesk/ This web app builds forplication handles tasks associated with a helpdesk. The program currently uses PHP and MySQL. Users can add, modify, and delete such things as current tasks. A new version is about to be released http://sourceforge.net/projects/helpcenterlive/ Help Center Live is a `Live` help desk system written in PHP using a MySql database backend that features Live Support, Trouble Tickets and FAQ within one project. Madison Kelly wrote: > Terrence Enger wrote: > >> At 09:09 2004-01-23 -0500, you wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Here is a little bit of an odd question; >>> >>> Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure >>> what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a >>> way of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post >>> issues (and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues >>> by topic (ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way >>> to let other people search the issue/resolution database from the >>> internet. >>> >>> I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the >>> list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! >>> >>> Madison >> >> >> >> bugzilla ? > > > That is a bug tracking system more aimed at software development, it > seems. Reading the overview it doesn't quite look like it will work for > me. More specifically, I want to have something where when a tech comes > across an issue (ie, an installation problem of a given server service) > that they can search for previous encounters with this problem, and if > it exists, help them solve the problem quickly. If the issue is new, > then let them enter the error details and what they finally figured out > worked for them. An example I can offer is a BIND configuration issue I > ran into: > > Problem: The server 'named' starts and no error messages are printed to > syslog but when trying to query the server the error; > > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# dig @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> @209.167.68.46 madisonave.ca > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > [root-uRZ2/RANkOA at public.gmane.org boot]# > > When you set the debug level by stopping the service and reloading it > manually with '# named -d 2 &' and then look at the file > '/var/named/named.run' you see the following error: > > Jan 16 15:47:29.208 couldn't open pid file '/var/run/named/named.pid': > Permission denied > Jan 16 15:47:29.209 exiting (due to early fatal error) > > Solution: The problem is that the directory shown (ie /var/run/named') > can't be written to by bind as invoked. To solve either change the > permissions or add to 'named.conf' the 'option' entry 'pid-file > "/var/named/named.pid";' (substitute with a directory where 'named' can > write to). If you are manually invoking 'named' at the console be sure > to launch it as 'named' by entering 'named -u named '. > > > Problem: The slave server(s) generate errors like; > > Jan 20 12:09:23 alteeve named[12756]: zone madisonave.ca/IN: refresh: \ > unexpected rcode (SERVFAIL) from master 209.167.86.46#53 > > Solution: There is a problem with your zone file or 'named.conf' > configuration file. Review, fix and reload. In the example above, the > error was that 'ns[1|2].madisonave.ca' was in the zone file twice, once > as an ?A? record and again as a ?CNAME? record. > > > Problem: The master server generates an error like; > > Jan 20 16:07:15 triton named[4371]: dns_rdata_fromtext: > db.madisonave.ca:23 \ > near 'madisonave.ca.':bad dotted quad > Jan 20 16:07:15 triton named[4371]: zone madisonave.ca/IN: loading master\ > file db.madisonave.ca: bad dotted quad > > Solution: The zone name and IP address are on the wrong sides of the ?A? > in your zone file. Be sure that the name is first and the IP address > follows then reload the zone data. > > This way, too, if a more junior tech is working a help desk and a > client calls in with a problem the tech can search for the errors (in > this case by restricting the search to "DNS") and also record private > information specific to the customer and assign case numbers. > > Thanks again! > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:42:23 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:42:23 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <40112B2A.7080507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200401230942.23519.fraser@wehave.net> On Friday 23 January 2004 09:09, Madison Kelly wrote: > Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure > what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way Request Tracker (RT) seems to be fairly popular. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 14:53:10 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:53:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <40112B2A.7080507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > Here is a little bit of an odd question; Not at all. In some quarters it is an FAQ :) > Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure I have a distinct preference for Request Tracker. Over the years I've had to evaluate different options and setup tracking systems many times. The most recent version (RT3) is a great improvement on the earlier tools (which were themselves very good). If you decided to use RT3 setup MySQL as the backend. I've had reports of poor performance when using Postgres as the backend DB. > what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way I'd call it helpdesk or tracking software. The concept overlaps with the "knowledge base" and project management software (depending on how it is setup). > of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues > (and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic > (ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other > people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. All possible with RT. A few months ago I recently reevaluated the latest OSS offerings in this field (to see if anything new and interesting had appeared). I found the alternatives to RT were either too immature or didn't offer features I needed (many of which you have listed above). Reference: http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 15:07:20 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:07:20 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <401138A8.1050202@alteeve.com> Thanks Fraser and Robert (and everyone else!), I looked through the other recommended packages and I think RT is also the best for what I need and am working through installing it just now. I'll post an update when it's up, if you would like. Madison Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >> Here is a little bit of an odd question; > > > Not at all. In some quarters it is an FAQ :) > > >> Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure > > > I have a distinct preference for Request Tracker. Over the years I've had > to evaluate different options and setup tracking systems many times. The > most recent version (RT3) is a great improvement on the earlier tools > (which were themselves very good). > > If you decided to use RT3 setup MySQL as the backend. I've had reports of > poor performance when using Postgres as the backend DB. > > >>what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way > > > I'd call it helpdesk or tracking software. The concept overlaps with the > "knowledge base" and project management software (depending on how it is > setup). > > >>of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues >>(and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic >>(ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other >>people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. > > > All possible with RT. A few months ago I recently reevaluated the latest > OSS offerings in this field (to see if anything new and interesting had > appeared). I found the alternatives to RT were either too immature or > didn't offer features I needed (many of which you have listed above). > > Reference: > > http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mark-/2gyfjYZF1k at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 15:05:50 2004 From: mark-/2gyfjYZF1k at public.gmane.org (Mark Wadden) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:05:50 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <007101c3e1c2$63b75490$a87d8b3f@sarcodine> Haven't used this myself, but a friend of mine likes it... http://www.perldesk.com/ Quote from the site: "PerlDesk is a fully featured browser based helpdesk/email management application designed to streamline the operation of managing emails or support requests, with built in tracking and response logging it is an ideal solution for companies with one or more members of staff or for those who want to organise client support." Hope this helps! -- Mark Wadden Chief Software Engineer Grey Matter Intelligent and Interactive Inc. http://www.greymatter.ca/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madison Kelly" To: Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [TLUG]: Tech support/help desk software (oss) > Hi all, > > Here is a little bit of an odd question; > > Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure > what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way > of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues > (and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic > (ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other > people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. > > I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the > list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! > > Madison > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 15:58:42 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:58:42 -0500 Subject: Tech support/help desk software (oss) In-Reply-To: <40112B2A.7080507-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40112B2A.7080507@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <000001c3e1c9$cac0b990$6401a8c0@main> > > Hi all, > > Here is a little bit of an odd question; > > Can anyone recommend help desk-style software package? I'm not sure > what the proper title is for that type of software! What I need is a way > of issuing case numbers, maintain a searchable database of post issues > (and their resolutions) with some way to sort various issues by topic > (ie, Samba issues, Apache issues, etc) and, ideally, a way to let other > people search the issue/resolution database from the internet. > > I am going to google/sf for it but I wanted to see if anyone on the > list had any particular pointers. Thanks!! > Perhaps Perldesk is worth taking a look at. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 16:33:52 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:33:52 -0500 Subject: [DNS reverse-lookup] In-Reply-To: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401230858.47729.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20040123163351.GK2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 08:58:47AM -0500, GDHough wrote: > I've recently installed a Linux OS on a 1200 series ThinkPad. It has a > winmodem entangled with it's sound card so neither work. I tried a usb > linksys adapter for a nic, but kernels<2.4.21 don't support it (ax8817x.o). > So I opted for a linksys PCMCI card and it is fully supported. > > My question is what causes a reverse lookup of 224.0.0.251 at 4:03 am from > this adapter and how can I stop it? 224 adresses are multicast packets. You can filter them if you want. They are used my multicast audio and video streams to save a lot of bandwidth (multicast enabled routers keep track of who is connected to a stream and duplicate packets to each destination as needed while they only need to receive one copy.) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 23 23:05:41 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:05:41 -0500 Subject: Email money transfers In-Reply-To: <200401222135.06601.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401222135.06601.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <4011A8C5.3010102@rogers.com> Garth Meisel wrote: > Sorry, not Linux, at least not on the surface. I recently encountered one of > us that apparently hasn't heard of an email money transfer. I deal at TD > Canada Trust and yes, I know that the Royal Bank boycotted the transactions > because of a great loss in Western Union etc etc etc but none of that really > matters. I would just like someone else to simply verify that the email > money transfer process is 100% secure and legitimate. Thanks. I have used them many times, without any problem. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 00:10:06 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:06 -0500 Subject: Ever try "freshmeat.org"? Message-ID: <4011718E.16151.53CE9@localhost> A couple of times I have typed in www.freshmeat.org by mistake, and got immediately sent to a know-nothing placeholder site which has nothing but advertising on it. Anyone ever get suckered into that site? Paul ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 00:39:40 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:39:40 -0600 Subject: Ever try freshmeat.org? changed to /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <4011718E.16151.53CE9-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4011718E.16151.53CE9@localhost> Message-ID: <200401231839.40948.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Fri January 23 2004 6:10 pm, Paul King said: > A couple of times I have typed in www.freshmeat.org by mistake, and got > immediately sent to a know-nothing placeholder site which has nothing but > advertising on it. Anyone ever get suckered into that site? > Or, how about a different version of the same question, "Is there a quick simple way to make sure I don't do this twice without having to change rules in IPTables?" Something /etc/hosts or /etc/hosts.deny maybe something there I'm too busy now? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 01:44:23 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:44:23 -0500 Subject: Ever try freshmeat.org? changed to /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: Message from Garth Meisel of "Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:39:40 CST." <200401231839.40948.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4011718E.16151.53CE9@localhost> <200401231839.40948.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040124014424.8826840A9@cbbrowne.com> > Roughly Fri January 23 2004 6:10 pm, Paul King said: > > A couple of times I have typed in www.freshmeat.org by mistake, and got > > immediately sent to a know-nothing placeholder site which has nothing b= > ut > > advertising on it. Anyone ever get suckered into that site? > > > > > Or, how about a different version of the same question, "Is there a quick= > =20 > simple way to make sure I don't do this twice without having to change ru= > les=20 > in IPTables?"=20 > > Something /etc/hosts or /etc/hosts.deny maybe something there I'm too b= > usy=20 > now? There are numerous possible ways: 1. Put an invalid IP address into /etc/hosts 2. Use the Squid proxy, and use an ACL to reject that domain. 3. Install privoxy, and block that domain. The latter methods may eliminate the need to log in as root... -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'ntlug.org'; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxxian.html Marriage means commitment. Of course, so does insanity. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 01:48:12 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:48:12 -0500 Subject: Latest Evil Spam... Message-ID: <20040124014813.35C9540A9@cbbrowne.com> Gotta love this one... Subject: Your amazon.com order #318-663-2525 has shipped From: "ship-confirm-vV1OtcyAfmbQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org" Reply-to: "ship-confirm-vV1OtcyAfmbQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org" -------------------------- Followed by an ad for Adobe Photoshop, and a bunch of "Win2K" software. If I reply to it, Amazon then gets spammed. -- output = reverse("ac.notelrac.teneerf" "@" "454aa") http://cbbrowne.com/info/languages.html I'm sure glad we're having this "How many FTP transfers can dance on the head of a chargeback packet" conversation now, because when chargebacks happen, it will surely be too expensive to read these amazing conversations. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 01:52:35 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:52:35 -0500 Subject: Latest Evil Spam... In-Reply-To: <20040124014813.35C9540A9-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040124014813.35C9540A9@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <200401232052.35990.fraser@wehave.net> On January 23, 2004 08:48 pm, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > Gotta love this one... Perhaps you love it, but I get hundreds of spams per day and get rather tired of seeing people forward their spams to mailing lists. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 03:06:22 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:06:22 -0500 Subject: turning off printing or parallel port Message-ID: <4011E12D.235263FD@onlink.net> I was printing OK from W98 VMware vm. Then I installed CUPS and can print from linux host. Now I can't print from the W98 vm. I don't know how to free up the parallel port in linux so I can print from the W98 vm. I tried /sbin/service cups stop and get [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service cups stop Stopping cups: [FAILED] I tried /sbin/service cups stop and get [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service lpd stop Stopping lpd: [FAILED] How can I suspend linux printing or close the parallel port or whatever so I can print from the vm? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 03:07:42 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:07:42 -0500 Subject: turning off printing or parallel port Message-ID: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> The message I get while booting the vm is: Parallel port "/dev/parport0" is used by another program (such as another instance of VMware Workstation) or driver (such as lp). Device parallel0 will start disconnected. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Chris Aitken Subject: turning off printing or parallel port Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:06:22 -0500 Size: 1271 URL: From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 04:41:34 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:41:34 -0500 Subject: turning off printing or parallel port In-Reply-To: <4011E17E.DE416BAB-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 22:07, Chris Aitken wrote: > The message I get while booting the vm is: > > Parallel port "/dev/parport0" is used by another program (such as > another instance of VMware Workstation) or driver (such as lp). > Device parallel0 will start disconnected. To see what process is open on the device, you can try using the "fuser" command. For example, "fuser /dev/parport0". If a process is open on the device or file, you'll get back the PID. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > I was printing OK from W98 VMware vm. > > Then I installed CUPS and can print from linux host. > > Now I can't print from the W98 vm. I don't know how to free up the > parallel port in linux so I can print from the W98 vm. I tried > /sbin/service cups stop and get > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service cups stop > Stopping cups: [FAILED] > > I tried /sbin/service cups stop and get > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service lpd stop > Stopping lpd: [FAILED] Based on your output above, you're running the service command as a normal user. That command only works as root. Try doing an "su -" to the root user, and re-running the command. You don't have to turn off "lpd", because if you're using CUPS, it should be disabled anyway. > How can I suspend linux printing or close the parallel port or whatever > so I can print from the vm? Use the "fuser" command to see what process is running on the device. If it is cupsd, then stop it with "service cups stop", executed as root. A much better way of doing what you want is to set up your VMware Win98 guest to print via a network printer to your Linux host. VMware includes a customized version of Samba, which can be configured to allow your Linux printer to show up in the Win98 Network Neighbourhood. So, to the Windows guest, your printer shows up as a "network" printer, but it's really on the Linux host. See if it's there already, by going into the Network Neighbourhood in Windows and browsing for your Linux machine. VMware's documentation describes how to set up printer access via VMware. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 05:01:28 2004 From: willis_matthew-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Matthew Willis) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:01:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Message-ID: <20040124050128.3062.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to record directly off the Bell system voice mail. This is a one-off: a friend's father died last week; she would like to save a copy of his last voice mail. I said I would figure out how to do this. I am thinking it is possible to use minicom (or similar) to start a dialin session to her voice mail. But how to record a transaction of the audio content of the entire session? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any advice. Matt Willis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 05:51:55 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:51:55 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <20040124050128.3062.qmail-OrhOHgVk4buA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040124050128.3062.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1074923515.1180.4.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 00:01, Matthew Willis wrote: > I would like to record directly off the Bell system > voice mail. This is a one-off: a friend's father died > last week; she would like to save a copy of his last > voice mail. I said I would figure out how to do this. > > I am thinking it is possible to use minicom (or > similar) to start a dialin session to her voice mail. > But how to record a transaction of the audio content > of the entire session? Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Matt Willis IIRC, a voice modem should act like a sound card. So, if you get things working correctly, you should be able to dial in by hand then tell the modem to record at the right time. I would strongly suggest trying this with something other than the voicemail first, just in case. Actually, with Bell's call answer service you can send a copy to someone else. That would probably be a good way to make a backup copy. HPH, and my condolences to your friend. Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. -- Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See" ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 06:28:40 2004 From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:28:40 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <20040124050128.3062.qmail-OrhOHgVk4buA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040124050128.3062.qmail@web12704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c3e243$4ed69dc0$c864a8c0@teknix> I hate to state the obvious, but why don't you just connect a tape recorder to a telephone and record it the old fashion way? Or go to radio shack and buy one of those telephone recording hybrids and do it that way... Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Willis Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:01 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I would like to record directly off the Bell system voice mail. This is a one-off: a friend's father died last week; she would like to save a copy of his last voice mail. I said I would figure out how to do this. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 13:26:45 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:26:45 -0500 Subject: turning off printing or parallel port References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> Paul Mora wrote: > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 22:07, Chris Aitken wrote: > > The message I get while booting the vm is: > > > > Parallel port "/dev/parport0" is used by another program (such as > > another instance of VMware Workstation) or driver (such as lp). > > Device parallel0 will start disconnected. > > To see what process is open on the device, you can try using the "fuser" > command. For example, "fuser /dev/parport0". If a process is open on > the device or file, you'll get back the PID. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > I was printing OK from W98 VMware vm. > > > > Then I installed CUPS and can print from linux host. > > > > Now I can't print from the W98 vm. I don't know how to free up the > > parallel port in linux so I can print from the W98 vm. I tried > > /sbin/service cups stop and get > > > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service cups stop > > Stopping cups: [FAILED] > > > > I tried /sbin/service cups stop and get > > > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ /sbin/service lpd stop > > Stopping lpd: [FAILED] > > Based on your output above, you're running the service command as a > normal user. Sorry, I pasted in the wrong output: [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/service cups stop Stopping cups: [ OK ] [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# Still, in the vm I get, Parallel port "/dev/parport0" is used by another program (such as another instance of VMware Workstation) or driver (such as lp). Failed to connect virtual device parallel0. [...] > > How can I suspend linux printing or close the parallel port or whatever > > so I can print from the vm? > > Use the "fuser" command to see what process is running on the device. [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/fuser cupsd cupsd: No such file or directory [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/fuser -a cupsd cupsd: No such file or directory [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf] Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 14:03:24 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:03:24 -0500 Subject: OT (?), AOL under win4lin Message-ID: <200401240903.24361.fraser@wehave.net> Hi, I *really* need AOL to function under win4lin so I'm hoping someone here might have done it already. I can sign-on and view all aol content but whenever I try to view any Internet website I cannot. In the browser window I see only a *, the actual source of all webpages looks like this: * If I use Internet Explorer directly things work fine. AOL's news and weather feeds and other AOL content also working fine, just the Internet part of AOL doesn't work. Here's the software that I'm running: - Win4Lin version 5.5.12h-d - Windows 98 (first edition with all updates) - kernel 2.6.0 (also tried kernel 2.4.20) - "AOL Canadian Version 8.0" revision 4129.660 downloaded from http://www.aol.ca/software.adp I spent an hour and a half talking to AOL tech support; uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting (thank God it was win4lin), clearing cookies, clearing cache, etc. All those futile things that Windows users do when they have no idea what wrong ;-) Well, I have no idea what's wrong and neither does AOL. The win4lin computer is behind a netfilter firewall (2.4.22 kernel) that allows all outbound traffic and I don't see any denies being logged. I can't rule out some wierd firewall issue (mtu problems maybe) but AOL isn't likely to help me debug that. Perhaps I need a netfilter helper module to properly nat the AOL traffic? Any ideas? Thanks! -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 14:40:02 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:40:02 -0500 Subject: Using CD's andDVD's for long term storage Message-ID: <401283C2.6070306@pcsecurityonline.com> Came arcoss this while browsing /. this morning, and remembered all the discussions related to using CD's and DVD's for long term storage after Madison's data recovery emergency was posted in december. -snip- "The scientists working on the Digital Preservation Program at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released an excellent 50 page guide on care and handling of CDs and DVDs for long term storage. It talks about the effects of light, moisture, radiation, scratches, marking, adhesive labels, and even playback on the discs. For those slashdotters who is not familiar with the physical made up of these optical discs, there is a very nice chapter explaining all the background. And if you only want to know how to care for your precious data, there is a one page summary. -snip- http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/onepage.pdf -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 15:02:56 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:02:56 -0500 Subject: Ever try freshmeat.org? changed to /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <200401231839.40948.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4011718E.16151.53CE9@localhost> Message-ID: <401242D0.20786.336A7F9@localhost> > Roughly Fri January 23 2004 6:10 pm, Paul King said: > > A couple of times I have typed in www.freshmeat.org by mistake, and got > > immediately sent to a know-nothing placeholder site which has nothing but > > advertising on it. Anyone ever get suckered into that site? > > > > > Or, how about a different version of the same question, "Is there a quick > simple way to make sure I don't do this twice without having to change rules in > IPTables?" > References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040124150910.GL2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:26:45AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Sorry, I pasted in the wrong output: > > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/service cups stop > Stopping cups: [ OK ] > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# > > Still, in the vm I get, > > Parallel port "/dev/parport0" is used by another program (such as another > instance of VMware Workstation) or driver (such as lp). > Failed to connect virtual device parallel0. Try: modprobe -r lp after you stop cups. Stopping cups won't make the module unload, so you have to do that yourself. > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/fuser cupsd > cupsd: No such file or directory > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/fuser -a cupsd > cupsd: No such file or directory > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf] it would be fuser /dev/lp0 since you are trying to find what is using the device. Or fuser /dev/parport0 perhaps. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 15:33:02 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:33:02 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A97DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> I disconnected the phone receiver and ran wires to an audio in jack for recording purposes before. This worked fine for me. I used the phone to dial and recorded what ever came through the speaker. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org [mailto:pegasoft at cogeco.ca] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I hate to state the obvious, but why don't you just connect a tape recorder to a telephone and record it the old fashion way? Or go to radio shack and buy one of those telephone recording hybrids and do it that way... Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Willis Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:01 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I would like to record directly off the Bell system voice mail. This is a one-off: a friend's father died last week; she would like to save a copy of his last voice mail. I said I would figure out how to do this. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 15:37:49 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:37:49 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A97DE@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Its even easier if you have a new phone with a headset jack. Just plug it in and away you go. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Wil McGilvery Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:33 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I disconnected the phone receiver and ran wires to an audio in jack for recording purposes before. This worked fine for me. I used the phone to dial and recorded what ever came through the speaker. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: pegasoft-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org [mailto:pegasoft at cogeco.ca] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:29 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I hate to state the obvious, but why don't you just connect a tape recorder to a telephone and record it the old fashion way? Or go to radio shack and buy one of those telephone recording hybrids and do it that way... Dan -- Dan Braun - PegaSoft Canada / CityTV danb.nospam-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Willis Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:01 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail I would like to record directly off the Bell system voice mail. This is a one-off: a friend's father died last week; she would like to save a copy of his last voice mail. I said I would figure out how to do this. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 17:28:09 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:28:09 -0500 Subject: Converting Images Message-ID: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> I have lots of jpg images that I would like to reduce the resolution of in order to post them on a web page. Is there a command line utility that I could run on an entire directory at once to do this? Any help would be appreciated Jeremy Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 17:39:12 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:39:12 -0500 Subject: Converting Images In-Reply-To: <4012AB29.1080202-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: Have a look at the "convert" program. Part of the ImageMagick package. Roughly speaking, you could do something like: for file in *.jpg; do convert $file -resize [newsize] mynew$file; done On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Jeremy Baker wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:28:09 -0500 > From: Jeremy Baker > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: Converting Images > > I have lots of jpg images that I would like to reduce the resolution of > in order to post them on a web page. Is there a command line utility > that I could run on an entire directory at once to do this? > > Any help would be appreciated > > Jeremy Baker > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 18:38:47 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:38:47 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for some... Check out: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp RickTomaschuk http://www.TorontoNUI.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 18:50:01 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:50:01 -0500 Subject: Converting Images In-Reply-To: References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <4012BE59.4090504@muskokatech.ca> Thanks. Works like a charm Jeremy Jing Su wrote: >Have a look at the "convert" program. Part of the ImageMagick package. > >Roughly speaking, you could do something like: >for file in *.jpg; do convert $file -resize [newsize] mynew$file; done > >On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Jeremy Baker wrote: > > > >>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:28:09 -0500 >>From: Jeremy Baker >>Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >>Subject: [TLUG]: Converting Images >> >>I have lots of jpg images that I would like to reduce the resolution of >>in order to post them on a web page. Is there a command line utility >>that I could run on an entire directory at once to do this? >> >>Any help would be appreciated >> >>Jeremy Baker >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> >> >> >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 20:18:48 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:18:48 -0600 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <40127567.21212.13E2EF-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> Message-ID: <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Sat January 24 2004 12:38 pm, Rick Tomaschuk said: > Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. > I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for > some... > > Check out: > http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp If you look closely at the WebSphere benchmarks, none of them were run on Linux, the platform IBM recommends for WebSphere. They were all run on AIX, an operating system IBM is phasing out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 20:35:37 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:35:37 -0600 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <200401241418.48873.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401241435.37266.Garth@Webostics.com> Worth reading. It's no different from the fact that I recently purchased 2-512 MB sticks of PC-2700 DDR memory for $55 each. That's over a Gig of it for a total of $110. The way IBM's recommendations were NOT used and substituted without their permission for OLD deprecated yet costly alternatives is only equaled by the fact that if I want to buy 64 MB stick of 72 pin RAM, if I can find it at all, it's going to cost me well well over $110. Or two 32 MB's of 72 pin. How many are going to go out and purchase a 64 MB stick of 72 pin when any "LUGGER" in the world would say "Jeez man, just upgrade the mobo/CPU/memory, all of it for under $300 new. Different ball game then huh? A very well carefully worded set of documents. Wonder who paid for it? The most interesting fact is how M$ outperformed Linux when Linux was only suggested and not used? Some benchmark. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 20:59:02 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:59:02 -0600 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <200401241435.37266.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> <200401241435.37266.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401241459.02412.Garth@Webostics.com> And the all important quote from "Acknowledgements." The writing of this white paper and creation of the accompanying SF-EES has been a momentous undertaking. It could not have been done some financial support. I am grateful to Microsoft for helping to defray some of the expenses. I am also grateful to Mike Owens (Dell computer), Dino Chiesa, Lynn Keele, Ken Martin, Peter Meister, and Tim Mallalieu (Microsoft), and many students in my workshop for providing technical consultation and review comments. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 23:03:37 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:03:37 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk Message-ID: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> I have uncovered a bizarre behaviour in RH9.0 fvwm2 and tcl/tk that is impossible to debug. I have a gui that contains many statements of the form: [catch {eval exec ...} ...] When this gui is invoked via a menu entry in fvwm2, the standard input for the program being invoked is not open (i.e., fid 0 is not open). Yet when invoked from an xterm window, even if detached, the programs are invoked with a valid fid 0. The reason that it is impossible to debug is that the environment in which the problem occurs is not one that can run gdb or even report diagnostics in a useful manner. Given the different behaviours are due to the gui's invocation, does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause? My best guess is that somehow that tcl/tk does a: fcntl(0, F_SETFD) but why only if invoked from fvwm2? What state information that is exported to exec'd children could possibly result in such a bizarre behaviour? Any why doesn't crt0 ensure that fids 0,1,&2 are open? See below. -- dt P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 24 23:28:33 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:28:33 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? Message-ID: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> When linking xfig with the following arguments: -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -lpng -lz \ -lXi -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm \ -lXext -lXaw3d \ -lX11 -lm and then running ldd on the resulting binary I get (in part): ... libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4016b000) libXaw3d.so.7 => not found ... yet /usr/X11R6/lib contains libXaw3d.so.7 with the same modes and ownership as libXext.so.6: -rw-r--r-- root root libXaw3d.a lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 -rwxr-xr-x root root libXaw3d.so.7.0 -rw-r--r-- root root libXext.a lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4 lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 -rwxr-xr-x root root libXext.so.6.4 file libXext.so.6.4 libXaw3d.so.7.0 yields the same description, yet for some reason -lXaw3d does not resolve properly whereas -lXext does resolve. Hence I think that it's not a matter of other required flags or environment variables. Any ideas as to what may be wrong? -- dt P.S.: Using the static version of -lXaw3d works fine. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 00:14:43 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:14:43 -0500 Subject: OT (?), AOL under win4lin In-Reply-To: <200401240903.24361.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401240903.24361.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <200401241914.44185.fraser@wehave.net> On January 24, 2004 09:03 am, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I can sign-on and view all aol content but whenever I try to view any > Internet website I cannot. In the browser window I see only a *, the > actual source of all webpages looks like this: Well for the record, I got it working. Attempt X: Reinstalled windows choosing vnet networking (I think I'd used winsock before). Installed AOL 8.0. IE does not function at all, looks like DNS failure. AOL does not function at all (can't get connection). Interestingly networking seems to be okay. I can ping the outside world and DNS is partially working (I say partially because some hostnames resolved to odd ip addresses). Attempt X + 1: Reinstall Windows again, again choose vnet networking. First step apply all Windows updates. Interesting point about this is that you can't run Windows update for IE4. You first have to find a manual download for the newer IE (I chose 6) and install that (with constant "script errors" as you browse Microsoft's own site). I recall a similar farce with NT (can't remember if it was 3.51 or 4), it came with IE3 and Microsoft barred you from their own site, I had to use command line FTP to fetch a new Netscape in order to get an updated IE. With IE6 installed Windows update will now run and I install all updates. I install AOL 8.0. Again nothing seems to work. I beat on it for a while and can't get it to work, I may even have done another reinstall. I give up on win4lin (or at least have to prove whether it's a win4lin issue or just the regular windows crap so I go out and buy a new/old PC to install windows on. I get home, AOL and everything works ... the wife claims she fixed it (fat chance!). Anyway, the moral of the story is that AOL can run under win4lin (not that there should have been doubt). Now to figure out why that crappy AOL system is eating cookies :-( -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 01:55:17 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:55:17 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <4012F9C9.3080209-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040125015517.GM2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > I have uncovered a bizarre behaviour in RH9.0 fvwm2 and tcl/tk > that is impossible to debug. > > I have a gui that contains many statements of the form: > > [catch {eval exec ...} ...] > > When this gui is invoked via a menu entry in fvwm2, the standard > input for the program being invoked is not open (i.e., fid 0 > is not open). > > Yet when invoked from an xterm window, even if detached, > the programs are invoked with a valid fid 0. > > The reason that it is impossible to debug is that the environment > in which the problem occurs is not one that can run gdb or > even report diagnostics in a useful manner. > > Given the different behaviours are due to the gui's invocation, > does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause? > > My best guess is that somehow that tcl/tk does a: > > fcntl(0, F_SETFD) > > but why only if invoked from fvwm2? > > What state information that is exported to exec'd children > could possibly result in such a bizarre behaviour? > > Any why doesn't crt0 ensure that fids 0,1,&2 are open? > See below. And what should they be connected to? /dev/null? If fvwm is silly enough to close stdin, stdout and stderr and then uses fork/exec to launch other programs, then fvwm is a broken window manager, since it is reasonable to assume whoever launches an interactive application is doing so from an interactive environment where those FIDs are available. Well at least I think so. > P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in > 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that > did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). > The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that > fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. I wonder what they decided they should connect those to if they weren't already connected to a tty. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 03:57:05 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:57:05 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <200401241459.02412.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401241435.37266.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <4012F841.29051.2131ACD@localhost> I don't waste my time reading BS from those guys...I found it entertaining that they are now devoting so much time to fight an "insignificant competitor". I tried to order the FREE Window Server Evaluation kit and they hit you up for $18.00 shipping and handling which they don't mention till after you get to the "last" page.... RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On 24 Jan 2004 at 14:59, Garth Meisel wrote: > And the all important quote from "Acknowledgements." > The writing of this white paper and creation of the accompanying SF-EES has > been a momentous undertaking. It could not have been done some financial > support. I am grateful to Microsoft for helping to defray some of the > expenses. I am also grateful to Mike Owens (Dell computer), Dino Chiesa, Lynn > Keele, Ken Martin, Peter Meister, and Tim Mallalieu (Microsoft), and many > students in my workshop for providing technical consultation and review > comments. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 04:13:15 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:13:15 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <4012F9C9.3080209-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org>; from dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500 References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040124231315.A28391@ee.ryerson.ca> There is a tcl/tk newsgroup, which would probably be better equipped to answer this. Peter On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > I have uncovered a bizarre behaviour in RH9.0 fvwm2 and tcl/tk > that is impossible to debug. > > I have a gui that contains many statements of the form: > > [catch {eval exec ...} ...] > > When this gui is invoked via a menu entry in fvwm2, the standard > input for the program being invoked is not open (i.e., fid 0 > is not open). > > Yet when invoked from an xterm window, even if detached, > the programs are invoked with a valid fid 0. > > The reason that it is impossible to debug is that the environment > in which the problem occurs is not one that can run gdb or > even report diagnostics in a useful manner. > > Given the different behaviours are due to the gui's invocation, > does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause? > > My best guess is that somehow that tcl/tk does a: > > fcntl(0, F_SETFD) > > but why only if invoked from fvwm2? > > What state information that is exported to exec'd children > could possibly result in such a bizarre behaviour? > > Any why doesn't crt0 ensure that fids 0,1,&2 are open? > See below. > > -- dt > > P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in > 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that > did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). > The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that > fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 04:15:48 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:15:48 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? In-Reply-To: <4012FFA1.2070200-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org>; from dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:28:33PM -0500 References: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040124231548.B28391@ee.ryerson.ca> Have you tried asking Brian V. Smith, maintainer of xfig, this question? He's a very helpful guy and his email address is under the 'help' menue. (Mind you, if you can't get the thing operational, this suggestion won't be much help, but I can give his address in that case.) Peter On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:28:33PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > When linking xfig with the following arguments: > > -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -lpng -lz \ > -lXi -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm \ > -lXext -lXaw3d \ > -lX11 -lm > > and then running ldd on the resulting binary I get (in part): > > ... > libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4016b000) > libXaw3d.so.7 => not found > ... > > yet /usr/X11R6/lib contains libXaw3d.so.7 with the same modes > and ownership as libXext.so.6: > > -rw-r--r-- root root libXaw3d.a > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 > -rwxr-xr-x root root libXaw3d.so.7.0 > -rw-r--r-- root root libXext.a > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4 > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 > -rwxr-xr-x root root libXext.so.6.4 > > file libXext.so.6.4 libXaw3d.so.7.0 yields the same description, > yet for some reason -lXaw3d does not resolve properly whereas > -lXext does resolve. > > Hence I think that it's not a matter of other required flags or > environment variables. > > Any ideas as to what may be wrong? > > -- dt > > P.S.: Using the static version of -lXaw3d works fine. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 04:22:09 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:22:09 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? In-Reply-To: <20040124231548.B28391-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> <20040124231548.B28391@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: He has a link about it from his website: http://www.netadmintools.com/art64.html On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:15:48 -0500 > From: Peter Hiscocks > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? > > > Have you tried asking Brian V. Smith, maintainer of xfig, this question? > He's a very helpful guy and his email address is under the 'help' menue. > > (Mind you, if you can't get the thing operational, this suggestion won't be > much help, but I can give his address in that case.) > > Peter > > > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:28:33PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > > When linking xfig with the following arguments: > > > > -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -lpng -lz \ > > -lXi -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm \ > > -lXext -lXaw3d \ > > -lX11 -lm > > > > and then running ldd on the resulting binary I get (in part): > > > > ... > > libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4016b000) > > libXaw3d.so.7 => not found > > ... > > > > yet /usr/X11R6/lib contains libXaw3d.so.7 with the same modes > > and ownership as libXext.so.6: > > > > -rw-r--r-- root root libXaw3d.a > > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 > > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0 > > -rwxr-xr-x root root libXaw3d.so.7.0 > > -rw-r--r-- root root libXext.a > > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4 > > lrwxrwxrwx root root libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4 > > -rwxr-xr-x root root libXext.so.6.4 > > > > file libXext.so.6.4 libXaw3d.so.7.0 yields the same description, > > yet for some reason -lXaw3d does not resolve properly whereas > > -lXext does resolve. > > > > Hence I think that it's not a matter of other required flags or > > environment variables. > > > > Any ideas as to what may be wrong? > > > > -- dt > > > > P.S.: Using the static version of -lXaw3d works fine. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > Peter D. Hiscocks > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > Ryerson University, > 350 Victoria Street, > Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada > > Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 > Fax: (416) 979-5280 > Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org > URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 09:06:39 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:06:39 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <20040125015517.GM2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> <20040125015517.GM2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4013871F.4080400@qef.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > > >>P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in >> 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that >> did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). >> The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that >> fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. > > > I wonder what they decided they should connect those to if they weren't > already connected to a tty. > The fix was to open /dev/null for read for 0 and for write for 1 & 2 obviously. That works fine and avoids problems that arose. Given the special and unfortunate special cases of std{in,out,err} and the lack of an fdreopen() some programs get twisted when an open yields a special fid. The unfortunate thing is that this problem has arisen again after 20 years. -- david phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > There is a tcl/tk newsgroup, which would probably be better equipped > to answer this and I have checked the source and nothing jumps out. I do not get this problem with other window managers so I don't think that this is a tcl/tk problem. -- david -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 09:10:34 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:10:34 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? In-Reply-To: <20040124231548.B28391-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> <20040124231548.B28391@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <4013880A.6080900@qef.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Have you tried asking Brian V. Smith, maintainer of xfig, this question? > He's a very helpful guy and his email address is under the 'help' menue. > > (Mind you, if you can't get the thing operational, this suggestion won't be > much help, but I can give his address in that case.) > > Peter > > I have indeed communicated with Brian on other xfig issues but this is not an xfig problem. Again it works on other systems and previous versions of redhat. It's an ld problem that must relate to some aspect of the file itself or the environment. -- david -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 15:42:27 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:42:27 -0500 Subject: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel port References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> <20040124150910.GL2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4013E3E3.CAE1873C@onlink.net> Lennart Sorensen wrote: [..] > Try: modprobe -r lp after you stop cups. Stopping cups won't make the > module unload, so you have to do that yourself. Great - it worked. [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/modprobe -r lp Then, /sbin/service cups stop Then I printed from the W98 vm. Then all I had to do was /sbin/service cups start and my CUPS print jobs picked up wher they left off (nothing like /sbin/modprobe -load lp was necessary - I guess /sbin/service cups start loads the module if necessary. Now I have a long CUPS print job in the queue which I would liek to delete. I tried the following: [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp hp is ready and printing Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size active lsf 9 (stdin) 22528 bytes [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lprm 9 [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp hp is ready no entries [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ So, it's reporting the job is gone, but it's still printing. Is this a case where powering the inkjet printer off to clear its own cache (if it has one) would be necessary? Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 16:49:16 2004 From: mcg2-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matthew Godycki) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:49:16 -0500 Subject: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel port References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> <20040124150910.GL2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4013E3E3.CAE1873C@onlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c3e363$2bb58650$6401a8c0@yoshiko> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Aitken" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: [TLUG]: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel port > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > [..] > > > Try: modprobe -r lp after you stop cups. Stopping cups won't make the > > module unload, so you have to do that yourself. > > Great - it worked. > > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/modprobe -r lp > > Then, > > /sbin/service cups stop > > Then I printed from the W98 vm. Then all I had to do was > > /sbin/service cups start and my CUPS print jobs picked up wher they left off > (nothing like /sbin/modprobe -load lp was necessary - I guess /sbin/service > cups start loads the module if necessary. > > Now I have a long CUPS print job in the queue which I would liek to delete. > > I tried the following: > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > hp is ready and printing > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > active lsf 9 (stdin) 22528 bytes > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lprm 9 > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > hp is ready > no entries > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ > > So, it's reporting the job is gone, but it's still printing. Is this a case > where powering the inkjet printer off to clear its own cache (if it has one) > would be necessary? > That would be my (un)educated guess. What likely has happened is that the job has already cleared the queue and has been sent to the printer. The remainder of that job is probably, as you suggested, residing in your printer's RAM. -Matthew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 18:39:55 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:39:55 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? Message-ID: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> I obviously have some problems. First is a complaint about duplicate sources... [13:04:14][/var/lib/iptables] apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Second, I can't connect to ftp://mirror.direct.ca so I may as well drop them as a source. Err ftp://mirror.direct.ca stable/main Packages Could not connect to mirror.direct.ca:21 (207.136.80.131), connection timed out Here is my sources.list (quoted to prevent wrapping). Any ideas ? > deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb-src ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 18:41:45 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:41:45 -0500 Subject: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel port References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> <20040124150910.GL2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4013E3E3.CAE1873C@onlink.net> <000501c3e363$2bb58650$6401a8c0@yoshiko> Message-ID: <40140DE9.DF6715EE@onlink.net> Matthew Godycki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Aitken" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:42 AM > Subject: [TLUG]: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel > port > > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > [..] > > > > > Try: modprobe -r lp after you stop cups. Stopping cups won't make the > > > module unload, so you have to do that yourself. > > > > Great - it worked. > > > > [root-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]# /sbin/modprobe -r lp > > > > Then, > > > > /sbin/service cups stop > > > > Then I printed from the W98 vm. Then all I had to do was > > > > /sbin/service cups start and my CUPS print jobs picked up wher they left > off > > (nothing like /sbin/modprobe -load lp was necessary - I guess > /sbin/service > > cups start loads the module if necessary. > > > > Now I have a long CUPS print job in the queue which I would liek to > delete. > > > > I tried the following: > > > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > > hp is ready and printing > > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > > active lsf 9 (stdin) 22528 bytes > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lprm 9 > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > > hp is ready > > no entries > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ > > > > So, it's reporting the job is gone, but it's still printing. Is this a > case > > where powering the inkjet printer off to clear its own cache (if it has > one) > > would be necessary? > > > > That would be my (un)educated guess. What likely has happened > is that the job has already cleared the queue and has been sent > to the printer. The remainder of that job is probably, as you > suggested, residing in your printer's RAM. Yeah, looks to be right. I powered off. When I powered back up it was expunged. Thanks Matt, Lennart and whomever else. That was my penultimate task in the W98 vm. The only one that really matters is the one I am putting off: getting sound to work in linux, then the vm. I have lots of emails from you guys on how to do that. I just gotta set aside some time to do it. I guess we can put this thread out to pasture. : ) Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 19:21:45 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:21:45 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? In-Reply-To: <20040125183955.GA28379-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> Message-ID: <200401251421.45483.fraser@wehave.net> On January 25, 2004 01:39 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: > I obviously have some problems. First is a complaint about duplicate > sources... I think you can just move sources.list out of the way and run then run apt-setup . -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 18:19:44 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:19:44 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A97DD-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A97DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <401408C0.3010400@rogers.com> Wil McGilvery wrote: > I disconnected the phone receiver and ran wires to an audio in jack for recording purposes before. This worked fine for me. I used the phone to dial and recorded what ever came through the speaker. Don't *EVER* do that. If you want to connect to a phone line, buy a device that's designed for the task, or at least use a transformer and blocking capacitor. A phone line has 48V DC on it and by connecting directly to the phone line, you may damage your equipment or interfere with the phone line. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 19:36:53 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:36:53 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? In-Reply-To: <200401251421.45483.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> <200401251421.45483.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040125193653.GQ846@smeagol> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 02:21:45PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > I obviously have some problems. First is a complaint about duplicate > > sources... All URLs in your sources list must be unique. Make sure you fix up the file then run apt-get update. This will run through your sources.list file and "update" your stored list of which server has what packages. It should eliminate any errors about duplicate sources. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 19:39:19 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:39:19 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in a headset. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: James Knott [mailto:james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:20 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Wil McGilvery wrote: > I disconnected the phone receiver and ran wires to an audio in jack for recording purposes before. This worked fine for me. I used the phone to dial and recorded what ever came through the speaker. Don't *EVER* do that. If you want to connect to a phone line, buy a device that's designed for the task, or at least use a transformer and blocking capacitor. A phone line has 48V DC on it and by connecting directly to the phone line, you may damage your equipment or interfere with the phone line. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 19:52:37 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:52:37 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <200401241418.48873.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> Garth Meisel wrote: > Roughly Sat January 24 2004 12:38 pm, Rick Tomaschuk said: > >>Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. >>I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for >>some... >> >>Check out: >>http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp > > > > If you look closely at the WebSphere benchmarks, none of them were run on > Linux, the platform IBM recommends for WebSphere. They were all run on AIX, > an operating system IBM is phasing out. One useful(?) thing I found is Microsoft "Services for Unix", which can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp It says only for XP Pro. I wonder if it's possible to make it work with XP Home, as I don't feel like giving his Billyness any more money. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:14:50 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:14:50 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <40141E85.5080205-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> Message-ID: <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> James Knott wrote: > Garth Meisel wrote: > >> Roughly Sat January 24 2004 12:38 pm, Rick Tomaschuk said: >> >>> Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. >>> I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for >>> some... >>> >>> Check out: >>> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp >> >> >> >> >> If you look closely at the WebSphere benchmarks, none of them were run >> on Linux, the platform IBM recommends for WebSphere. They were all run >> on AIX, an operating system IBM is phasing out. > > > One useful(?) thing I found is Microsoft "Services for Unix", which can > be found at http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/downloads/default.asp > > It says only for XP Pro. I wonder if it's possible to make it work with > XP Home, as I don't feel like giving his Billyness any more money. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > SFU is indeed free and will work on W2K as well as XP pro, but not XP personal. Bite the bullet ... XP is only $30. Warning: SFU needs to be on an NTFS file system. SFU combined with an X server it provides a quite reasonable environment if one is forced to use windows. Unfortunately one does need the C++.net product to build software. There are minor glitches -- really slow when accessing samba file systems and I have not as yet got the nfs stuff working. -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:26:05 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <40127567.21212.13E2EF-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> Message-ID: <200401251526.08915.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, Ah, it seems I can't pass this one up without saying something. On January 24, 2004 01:38 pm, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. > I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for > some... > > http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp As a great followup to this, I really enjoyed Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols' column for Eweek titled "Get the FUD". It takes each of the points and stories on the Microsoft "Get the Facts" page and disects them one by one. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1426514,00.asp If you are going to spend the cycles checking out the Microsoft anti-Linux site, take a few minutes to read Steven's column. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:29:10 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:29:10 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <401423BA.9010406-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> Message-ID: <40142716.1040508@rogers.com> David Tilbrook wrote: > SFU is indeed free and will work on W2K as well as XP pro, > but not XP personal. Bite the bullet ... XP is only $30. $30??? Where??? Is that an upgrade from XP Home? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:48:30 2004 From: pjc-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Paul Croft) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:48:30 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? In-Reply-To: <20040125183955.GA28379-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> Message-ID: <1075063709.992.4.camel@libranet-alien> first you have 2 deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free lines, delete one, then run apt-get update......second, ftp://mirror.direct.ca stable/main Packages is not connecting for whatever reason, server is down or maybe wrong URL..... On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 13:39, Walter Dnes wrote: > I obviously have some problems. First is a complaint about duplicate > sources... > > [13:04:14][/var/lib/iptables] apt-get upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org > stable/non-US/main Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) > W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org > stable/non-US/contrib Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) > W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org > stable/non-US/non-free > Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > Second, I can't connect to ftp://mirror.direct.ca so I may as well > drop them as a source. > > Err ftp://mirror.direct.ca stable/main Packages > Could not connect to mirror.direct.ca:21 (207.136.80.131), connection timed out > > Here is my sources.list (quoted to prevent wrapping). Any ideas ? > > > deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > > > deb ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb-src ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:48:25 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:48:25 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? In-Reply-To: <20040125183955.GA28379-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> Message-ID: <20040125204825.GN2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 01:39:55PM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > I obviously have some problems. First is a complaint about duplicate > sources... Not turprising given the duplicated lines in sources.list [snip] > Second, I can't connect to ftp://mirror.direct.ca so I may as well > drop them as a source. > > Err ftp://mirror.direct.ca stable/main Packages > Could not connect to mirror.direct.ca:21 (207.136.80.131), connection timed out > > Here is my sources.list (quoted to prevent wrapping). Any ideas ? > > > deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free ^-- non-us.debian.org listed here. > > > > deb ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb-src ftp://mirror.direct.ca/pub/linux/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free ^-- I see non-us.debian.org here again. > > > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free Remove one instance of the duplication and it should stop complaining. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 20:51:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:51:47 -0500 Subject: Delete CUPS print job. Was:turning off printing or parallel port In-Reply-To: <4013E3E3.CAE1873C-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4011E17E.DE416BAB@onlink.net> <1074919294.14943.7.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40127295.D8FF2994@onlink.net> <20040124150910.GL2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4013E3E3.CAE1873C@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040125205147.GO2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 10:42:27AM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > Now I have a long CUPS print job in the queue which I would liek to delete. > > I tried the following: > > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > hp is ready and printing > Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size > active lsf 9 (stdin) 22528 bytes > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lprm 9 > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ lpq -P hp > hp is ready > no entries > [lsf-5jgDBJOV2nY at public.gmane.org lsf]$ > > So, it's reporting the job is gone, but it's still printing. Is this a case > where powering the inkjet printer off to clear its own cache (if it has one) > would be necessary? lprm can't clear the printer once the job has started printing. It won't clear the printer cache since it has no way to do that. Either cancel the job on the printer after canceling it in cups or turn it off and back on again (although some printers get pretty confused by that actually if other things are still queueing data for the port). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 21:28:26 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:28:26 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <401423BA.9010406-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040125162826.5dce366f.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:14:50 -0500 David Tilbrook disseminated the following: > > It says only for XP Pro. I wonder if it's possible to make it work with > > XP Home, as I don't feel like giving his Billyness any more money. > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > SFU is indeed free and will work on W2K as well as XP pro, > but not XP personal. Bite the bullet ... XP is only $30. > > Warning: SFU needs to be on an NTFS file system. > > SFU combined with an X server it provides a quite reasonable > environment if one is forced to use windows. > > Unfortunately one does need the C++.net product to build software. > > There are minor glitches -- really slow when accessing samba file > systems and I have not as yet got the nfs stuff working. Sooooo much simpler to ditch the Windows ADS and just run a Samba DC, and it's all freeeeeee! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."-- Lao Tsu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 21:30:12 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:30:12 -0600 Subject: recording voice mail turned jovial In-Reply-To: <401408C0.3010400-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E284A97DD@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <401408C0.3010400@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200401251530.12410.Garth@Webostics.com> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> Message-ID: <200401251550.59050.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Sun January 25 2004 2:14 pm, David Tilbrook said: < Warning: SFU needs to be on an NTFS file system. That's probably true but very unfair to those loyal 98SE users because isn't FAT32 and NTFS the same thing with a different name? NTFS allows for greater than 8 character naming but the context of file is on disk and DOS is responsible. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 25 22:22:22 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:22:22 -0500 Subject: CLI collection Message-ID: <4014419E.4060702@sympatico.ca> Just a simple idea; "cli" An nCurses program that launches an "executable browser". It looks like a simple file manager, like mc, but it groups or filters executables not by location, but by environment. cli, nCurses, tk, gtk, kde, gnome, etc. Sort by filename, size, resources req, pipe-able. etc when an executable is highlighted, the man file (if it exists) is displayed in a panel. If it's a script, it is displayed in another panel. This would help remind the (curious) user what software is installed without going through all the various */bin directories. It would also help the user choose the right program for the preferred environment. Great idea ? goofy idea ? Can already be done with mc idea ? u tell me, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 00:24:37 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:24:37 -0500 Subject: NTFS In-Reply-To: <200401251550.59050.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> <200401251550.59050.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040126002436.GP2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:50:59PM -0600, Garth Meisel wrote: > Roughly Sun January 25 2004 2:14 pm, David Tilbrook said: > > < Warning: SFU needs to be on an NTFS file system. > > That's probably true but very unfair to those loyal 98SE users because isn't > FAT32 and NTFS the same thing with a different name? NTFS allows for greater > than 8 character naming but the context of file is on disk and DOS is > responsible. No. FAT32 is a 32bit version of fat16 to allow more than 2GB partitions. FAT16 uses a 16bit table of clusters where each cluster can be up to 32k (64k on NT). This gives 2^31 bytes per partition (2GB) or 2^32 bytes on NT (4GB). FAT32 just extends this to using a 32bit cluster table, to allow much larger filesystems using much more reasonable 4K or so clusters. NTFS on the other hand is a totally different filesystem with compression, security, file ownerships, groups, etc. Nothing alike at all. VFAT is an extension to FAT16 and FAT32 to allow long file names to be stored using otherwise invalid attribute combinations stored in the directory structure allowing some 14 or 15 characters per entry to be stored (using many entries for a longer name) and of course allows special characters (including upper AND lower case). Since the attribute combinations are invalid under normal use, other systems that don't know about them just ignore them as junk that has nothing to do with the files. FAT12 is a the earlier version that allows up to 32MB partitions. It is mostly used on floppies. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 02:07:45 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:07:45 -0600 Subject: NTFS In-Reply-To: <20040126002436.GP2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <200401251550.59050.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040126002436.GP2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200401252007.45037.Garth@Webostics.com> < NTFS on the other hand is a totally different filesystem with < compression, security, file ownerships, groups, etc. < I'm not hungry tonight. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 00:18:14 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:18:14 -0500 Subject: An Announcement Message-ID: <20040125191814.5eaafde5.hgibson@eol.ca> I just updated my ski club schedule spreadsheet, and for the first time, I had to dumb down something in a Linux Application to that it would convert okay in Microsoft Office. Open Office's date format allows something like "Sat 14/Feb 04" as a date. Microsoft Excel cannot do the day of the week entry. A little intelligence on Open Office's part would have rendered this as a regular date, minus the "Sat" part. Oh well. Open Office is serious bloatware, but I am starting to like it. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 00:21:15 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:21:15 -0500 Subject: Mounting USB Flash devices Message-ID: <20040125192115.773addfd.hgibson@eol.ca> When I allow Nautilus to mount my camera's flash card and my USB flash memory, these get mounted read-only. Does anyone know why this is? I am running Red Hat 8. Here is my /etc/fstab entry... # Device Mount File Mount Dump fsck # Point System Options Freq passno ############################################################################## /dev/sda1 /flash auto noauto,users,rw 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /flash1 auto noauto,users,rw 0 0 I am aware that Kudzu can detect these devices and automatically create entries, but then, I require Nautilus to access them, and then they get mounted read-only. Thanks. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 03:09:28 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:28 -0500 Subject: How to edit Debian apt-get sources file? In-Reply-To: <200401251421.45483.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040125183955.GA28379@m450> <200401251421.45483.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040126030928.GA3561@m450> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 02:21:45PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote > I think you can just move sources.list out of the way and run then run > apt-setup . That fixed it. I couldn't connect to the Canadian sites, so I connected to the UK... > deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 03:32:11 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:32:11 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <401423BA.9010406-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401241418.48873.Garth@Webostics.com> <40141E85.5080205@rogers.com> <401423BA.9010406@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040126033211.GB3561@m450> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:14:50PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote > SFU is indeed free and will work on W2K as well as XP pro, > but not XP personal. Bite the bullet ... XP is only $30. > > Warning: SFU needs to be on an NTFS file system. > > SFU combined with an X server it provides a quite reasonable > environment if one is forced to use windows. > > Unfortunately one does need the C++.net product to build software. > > There are minor glitches -- really slow when accessing samba file > systems and I have not as yet got the nfs stuff working. Isn't most of this functionality available from Cygwin ? I use it at work because my job is much more scientific/technical data-crunching than paper-pushing, but I can't justify a dedicated *nix workstation. It's nice to be able to run utilitities like sed and tr when dealing with large textfiles. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 03:36:52 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:36:52 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <4012F9C9.3080209-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> Message-ID: <20040126033652.GC3561@m450> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote > My best guess is that somehow that tcl/tk does a: > > fcntl(0, F_SETFD) > > but why only if invoked from fvwm2? > > What state information that is exported to exec'd children > could possibly result in such a bizarre behaviour? > > Any why doesn't crt0 ensure that fids 0,1,&2 are open? > See below. I run FVWM, and it looks like it's using those FIDs for its own logging. E.g.... [22:34:55][/misc/home/waltdnes] cat .xsession #!/bin/bash exec fvwm2 2> ~/.FVWM2-errors -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 05:36:06 2004 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen A.) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:36:06 -0500 Subject: Macintosh anniversary and oblique reference to X11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040126053606.GB17095@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:23:06PM +0200 or thereabouts, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > An article in a French newspaper about the birth of the Macintosh, by its > 'father' (no it was not Steve Jobs ?), with references to the fact that > the Mac UI was not a clone of anything done at Xerox PARC. I find it very > interesting (in French): Which is true. Not too long ago, I had a conversation with Jeff Raskin, the father of the original Mac GUI. He had worked at XeroxParc, but said that as far as he was concerned, any similarities were much like the similarities between a Ford and GM -- they both have wheels. Even the mice were different, as was the look of the GUI. He has a good article on his website. He's an intersting fella. -- Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the Americas Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named 'Bush', 'Dick', and 'Colon'" --unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 14:30:03 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: 26 Jan 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Subject: Windows to NT In-Reply-To: <40091205.23801.5A2AE2-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> Message-ID: <1075127403.4343.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm putting together a collection of resource links relating to migrating Windows NT to Linux. My current collection is at: http://www.memeshadow.net/multi/html/index.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=NT%20to%20Linux If that URL is mangled, try http://www.memeshadow.net and follow the NT to Linux link. What I'm looking for primarily are case studies of companies who have successfully migrated to Linux from NT or are running mixed operations, for example with any 'it only runs on Windows' apps on an NT server and evrything else on NT. Any links or feedback will be appreciated. Rob -- Cheapersafer Computer Support We Help - http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 14:44:36 2004 From: forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin C) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:44:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux Message-ID: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> from: http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 ----------- Question 1: I wonder if your CD-RW Drive can be used under Linux/Unix? Almost no CD writer available in the market is compatible with Linux/Unix. The only recommended operating systems for using CD writers are Windows 95/98/2000/XP and NT. The recording programs do not support most of the other operating systems. In other words: under Linux/Unix etc. CD writers will work like a normal CD-ROM drive. ------------ I've just sent an e-mail with the model of CDRW I have working here; wouldn't be nice if they receive TONS of e-mails like mine? Here is the form: http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=contact __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 14:52:18 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:52:18 -0500 Subject: Windows to NT In-Reply-To: <1075127403.4343.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> <1075127403.4343.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040126095218.37c3011c.joehill@sympatico.ca> On 26 Jan 2004 09:30:03 -0500 Rob Sutherland disseminated the following: > Any links or feedback will be appreciated. Take a look in the Newsforge archives (do they have archives?), I've seen many stories on there about exactly the subject you are researching. This one seemed somewhat relevant (I got this link from their 'daily headlines' e-mail for 15 Jan 2004). http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/software/04/01/09/2231250.shtml -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Reality is what you can get away with." -- Robert Anton Wilson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 14:58:49 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 26 Jan 2004 09:58:49 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <4013871F.4080400-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> <20040125015517.GM2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4013871F.4080400@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in > >> 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that > >> did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). > >> The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that > >> fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. > > I wonder what they decided they should connect those to if they weren't > > > already connected to a tty. > > > > The fix was to open /dev/null for read for 0 and for write for 1 & 2 > obviously. That works fine and avoids problems that arose. > > Given the special and unfortunate special cases of std{in,out,err} > and the lack of an fdreopen() some programs get twisted when an open > yields a special fid. > > The unfortunate thing is that this problem has arisen again after > 20 years. Here's a stupid suggestion. Change your FVWM2 menu entry to run a simple wrapper script: #!/bin/sh exec realprogram ${1+"$@"} /dev/null 2>&1 -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 15:14:34 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: 26 Jan 2004 10:14:34 -0500 Subject: Windows to NT In-Reply-To: <1075127403.4343.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> <1075127403.4343.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1075130074.4343.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> A couple of weeks ago I began to have problems with nameserver lookups. It turned out that there were multiple problems with my router and network setup - as usual :-) Anyway, after things stabilized I managed to pin things down a little more and this is what's happening now. At irregular intervals, when I attempt to access a site in Mozilla or Konqueror it will hang saying, 'Resolving xyz.xom'. If I restart the browser after killing mozilla-bin it will work fine again. My setup looks like this: | Krud 9 box w/static 192.168.x.x IP | -> | E-smith Router | -> | DHCP to Airport | -> | Airport DHCP to Sympatico DSL I'm running KRUD 9, a Redhat variant on my box and E-Smith 6.3 on the router. The net connection and nameserver access are fine when I use them from the shell, ie 'host xyz.com' works fine from the command line. So, it looks to me as though the problem is with something common to Konqueror and Mozilla losing track of the nameservers. Anyone have any thoughts? Rob -- Cheapersafer Computer Support We Help - http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 15:14:18 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 26 Jan 2004 10:14:18 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? In-Reply-To: <4012FFA1.2070200-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> Message-ID: David Tilbrook writes: > When linking xfig with the following arguments: > > -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -lpng -lz \ > -lXi -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm \ > -lXext -lXaw3d \ > -lX11 -lm This looks a little odd. You're linking with Xaw and Xaw3d. Shouldn't it be one or the other? > and then running ldd on the resulting binary I get (in part): > > ... > libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4016b000) > libXaw3d.so.7 => not found The Debian README for Xaw3d suggests that, at one time, libXaw3d.so was built with its soname set to libXaw.so instead of libXaw3d.so to make it easier to use as a builtin replacement for libXaw. Apparently this causes problems and it's no longer built this way in Debian. I wonder if this could be your problem on RH. Running: objdump -p /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7.0 will show you the soname and may give you a hint as to the problem. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 15:20:38 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: 26 Jan 2004 10:20:38 -0500 Subject: Oops - Nameserver Problems In-Reply-To: <1075130074.4343.49.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> <1075127403.4343.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1075130074.4343.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1075130438.4343.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> A couple of weeks ago I began to have problems with nameserver lookups. It turned out that there were multiple problems with my router and network setup - as usual :-) Anyway, after things stabilized I managed to pin things down a little more and this is what's happening now. At irregular intervals, when I attempt to access a site in Mozilla or Konqueror it will hang saying, 'Resolving xyz.xom'. If I restart the browser after killing mozilla-bin it will work fine again. My setup looks like this: | Krud 9 box w/static 192.168.x.x IP | -> | E-smith Router | -> | DHCP to Airport | -> | Airport DHCP to Sympatico DSL I'm running KRUD 9, a Redhat variant on my box and E-Smith 6.3 on the router. The net connection and nameserver access are fine when I use them from the shell, ie 'host xyz.com' works fine from the command line. So, it looks to me as though the problem is with something common to Konqueror and Mozilla losing track of the nameservers. Anyone have any thoughts? Rob -- Cheapersafer Computer Support We Help - http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 16:31:47 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:31:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <20040125015517.GM2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> <20040125015517.GM2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > And what should they be connected to? /dev/null? If fvwm is silly > enough to close stdin, stdout and stderr and then uses fork/exec to > launch other programs, then fvwm is a broken window manager, since it is > reasonable to assume whoever launches an interactive application is > doing so from an interactive environment where those FIDs are available. > Well at least I think so. GUIs have no obligation for stdin,stdio etc. Any program meant to be run in the background or under a GUI must take care of them itself. Why wouldn't Apache log to stderr ? Because it's a daemon. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 16:47:26 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:47:26 +0200 (IST) Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: <4012F9C9.3080209-hKuJ9UrQZDM@public.gmane.org> References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, David Tilbrook wrote: > I have uncovered a bizarre behaviour in RH9.0 fvwm2 and tcl/tk > that is impossible to debug. > > I have a gui that contains many statements of the form: > > [catch {eval exec ...} ...] > > When this gui is invoked via a menu entry in fvwm2, the standard > input for the program being invoked is not open (i.e., fid 0 > is not open). That is the correct behavior. You can use pipes or such to connect something to your command, or you can open fd 0 of the interpreter on a log file or terminal pty (in tcl). E.g. if no file is open and you open one in tcl, it will (should) get fd 0 and behave like stdin for most purposes to all other subsequent code. > Yet when invoked from an xterm window, even if detached, > the programs are invoked with a valid fid 0. A forked child inherits all the file descriptors of the parent. > The reason that it is impossible to debug is that the environment > in which the problem occurs is not one that can run gdb or > even report diagnostics in a useful manner. Write some tcl code to catch the output of your command. An easy way to debug is to replace the executable with a simple shell script that dumps env and argv[] into a temp file in /tmp, then exits. The file will reveal the user and umask of whoever ran the script and the full environment. > Given the different behaviours are due to the gui's invocation, > does anyone have a suggestion as to the cause? The short answer would be that you are not supposed to run programs that require terminal io from a daemon. > My best guess is that somehow that tcl/tk does a: > > fcntl(0, F_SETFD) > > but why only if invoked from fvwm2? No, it simply does not open stdin if it is not already open. > What state information that is exported to exec'd children > could possibly result in such a bizarre behaviour? None. Exec does not open any fds. Exec inherits the parent's open fd's. If stdin is not open in the parent then it is not open in the child. > Any why doesn't crt0 ensure that fids 0,1,&2 are open? Any program compiled to be runnable both as a daemon and as a terminal application will have code that either detects that stdin is not connected to anything, and closes it, or not open it in the first place. F.ex the isatty() call would fail on stdin if it would not be open. Daemons specifically close stdin and stdout and stderr in the forked child before doing anything else. The real story and much more you can find in R.Stevens' Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linuxbrad-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 18:16:45 2004 From: linuxbrad-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Brad Fonseca) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:16:45 -0500 Subject: Going wireless with Mandrake 9.2 Message-ID: <200401261316.45115.linuxbrad@rogers.com> Hello! Has anyone had any experience getting a wireless PCMIA card to work with Mandrake 9.2 in general and at U of T? If so: 1. What card are you using? I know the Enterasys RoamAbout card is recommended by U of T but we all know how concerned U of T is about saving students money. :P 2. How did you configure Mandrake to get it to detect wireless networks using the card? Is it worth talking to the people at Robarts' Information Commons? Help! -- Regards, Brad Fonseca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 18:20:56 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:20:56 +0200 (IST) Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I > simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little > speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in > a headset. No it is not. You were very lucky. Depending on circumstances you could end up with up to 120Vac entering your audio gear (ring voltage). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 20:32:19 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:32:19 -0500 Subject: Oops - Nameserver Problems In-Reply-To: <1075130438.4343.57.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <40056222.5040100@passport.ca> <40091205.23801.5A2AE2@localhost> <1075127403.4343.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1075130074.4343.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1075130438.4343.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040126152859.02fd6050@mail.interlog.com> At 10:20 AM 01/26/2004, Rob wrote: >At irregular intervals, when I attempt to access a site in Mozilla or >Konqueror it will hang saying, 'Resolving xyz.xom'. If I restart the >browser after killing mozilla-bin it will work fine again. I don't know about Kongueror but it is a known (to me at least) problem in Mozilla in Linux (and Netscape under Windows too IIRC). When you run Mozilla, a separate task is also running. All connections (or at least the name lookups go through the separate task). Sometimes that other task gets confused or locks up and all your Mozilla/Netscape windows will pretty much grind to a halt. Exit the program normally and then check the list of running tasks. You will often then see the piece of Mozilla/Netscape that is still there which is the piece that is causing problems. Kill that remnant and restart the program and you should be back in business again. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 20:58:29 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:58:29 -0500 Subject: Drive Image Linux kernel panics OS not found -GRUB Message-ID: <003401c3e44f$27051660$0301a8c0@amazon> I use Drive Image software (DriveImage Pro 2002 in my case) to copy my Linux servers. DriveImage copying SCSI drives copy well, including copying the boot records. However IDE drives do not copy the boot records properly. (I had this problem 2 years ago too. I forget what I did then to fix it) This means I get "operating system not found" when booting off the newly imaged Linux hard drive. I use SysLinux 2.00, and if a current mkbootdisk of the original drive is used, I get a kernel panic init= error. Booting off the SysLinux disk and passing a kernel option.... boot: linux root=/dev/hda2 (my kernel root is /dev/hda2) works. and boot the imaged drives! Woohoo. I am not sure if this is what I did 2 years ago. My only question is:, now that I can get back into the linux on the newly imaged drive, how can I now tell GRUB to reinstall the bootlloader? I was thinking of connecting the 2 drives together and using "dd", but I would prefer to use GRUB to reinstall the bootloader manually. --------------------------------------------------------------- teddy mills http://www.vger.ca Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 21:06:41 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:06:41 -0500 Subject: Drive Image Linux kernel panics OS not found -GRUB References: <003401c3e44f$27051660$0301a8c0@amazon> Message-ID: <004401c3e450$4cc1c5f0$0301a8c0@amazon> grub-install /dev/hda (or whatever IDE device it maybe) Doh!! > My only question is:, now that I can get back into the linux on the newly > imaged drive, how can I now tell GRUB to reinstall the bootlloader? I was > thinking of connecting the 2 drives together and using "dd", but I would > prefer to use GRUB to reinstall the bootloader manually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy Mills" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Drive Image Linux kernel panics OS not found -GRUB > I use Drive Image software (DriveImage Pro 2002 in my case) to copy my > Linux servers. > > DriveImage copying SCSI drives copy well, including copying the boot > records. > However IDE drives do not copy the boot records properly. (I had this > problem 2 years ago too. I forget what I did then to fix it) > This means I get "operating system not found" when booting off the newly > imaged Linux hard drive. > I use SysLinux 2.00, and if a current mkbootdisk of the original drive is > used, I get a kernel panic init= error. > > Booting off the SysLinux disk and passing a kernel option.... > > boot: linux root=/dev/hda2 > > (my kernel root is /dev/hda2) > > works. and boot the imaged drives! Woohoo. I am not sure if this is what I > did 2 years ago. > My only question is:, now that I can get back into the linux on the newly > imaged drive, how can I now tell GRUB to reinstall the bootlloader? I was > thinking of connecting the 2 drives together and using "dd", but I would > prefer to use GRUB to reinstall the bootloader manually. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > teddy mills http://www.vger.ca > Family Guys Quagmire "allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll right" > Capt Tenneal "LETS GO!" > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 23:41:24 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:41:24 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux Message-ID: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> Hi all, I thought that my zones where not propegating because of stale data in the earlier zone files that had a long TTL but they should have expired by now and the zones are not propegating. If I set my DNS server's as my home machine's DNS servers (outside of the server's subnet) then name lookup succeeds fine. If I try looking up the zones though on a machine pointing to some other NS then the lookup fails. Can anyone suggest reasons where seemingly good zones files would fail to propegate? As always, everyones help is hugely appreciated! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 23:45:08 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:45:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Great news!! Message-ID: <4015A684.7080302@alteeve.com> Hi all, Many of you know Lance Squire here from the list. Well, his wife early this morning gave birth to a healthy (and big!) baby boy named Logan Falcon Squire at 8lb 10ozs (just under 3kg). Mom, baby and playing the all-too-often forgotten supporting role dad are doing great but are also very tired! I won't scare any filters by posting in HTML to include Sir Logan's pic inline so here is a link: http://alteeve.com/~ocean/pics/logan-002.jpg So a very big congrats to the new family! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 23:53:48 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:53:48 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040126144436.75156.qmail-gQIEETu18uGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> Martin C wrote: > from: > http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 Geezzz!!! I hope my CD-RW didn't read that. It might stop working!!! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Jan 26 23:58:28 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:58:28 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040126144436.75156.qmail-gQIEETu18uGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4015A9A4.9000203@rogers.com> Martin C wrote: > from: > http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 Maybe they meant to say Samsung drives don't work with Linux? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:02:10 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:02:10 +0200 (IST) Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <4015A9A4.9000203-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A9A4.9000203@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > Martin C wrote: > > from: > > http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 > > Maybe they meant to say Samsung drives don't work with Linux? LG had a spell of trouble with their cdrw drives some time ago. Maybe this is related to that (LG ~= Samsung) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:27:04 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:27:04 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <4015B058.7010201@rogers.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Wil McGilvery wrote: > > >>I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I >>simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little >>speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in >>a headset. > > > No it is not. You were very lucky. Depending on circumstances you could > end up with up to 120Vac entering your audio gear (ring voltage). The ringing current wouldn't normally get to the headset and it's only 90V 20Hz. I have seen other devices that connect via the headset jack. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:36:40 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:36:40 -0500 Subject: fvwm2 causes stdin to be closed when execing within tcl/tk In-Reply-To: References: <4012F9C9.3080209@qef.com> <20040125015517.GM2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4013871F.4080400@qef.com> Message-ID: <4015B298.6070903@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > David Tilbrook writes: > > >>Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> >>>On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:03:37PM -0500, David Tilbrook wrote: >>> >> >> >> >>>>P.S. Coincidently one of the bugs I discovered and reported in >>>> 1983 w.r.t. BSD 4.1c was that a number of programs that >>>> did not work correctly when fid 0 was not open (e.g. cpp). >>>> The BSD folks actually extended crt0.o to ensure that >>>> fids 0, 1, and 2 were open. >>> >>>I wonder what they decided they should connect those to if they weren't >> >>>already connected to a tty. >>> >> >>The fix was to open /dev/null for read for 0 and for write for 1 & 2 >>obviously. That works fine and avoids problems that arose. >> >>Given the special and unfortunate special cases of std{in,out,err} >>and the lack of an fdreopen() some programs get twisted when an open >>yields a special fid. >> >>The unfortunate thing is that this problem has arisen again after >>20 years. > > > Here's a stupid suggestion. Change your FVWM2 menu entry to run a simple > wrapper script: > > #!/bin/sh > exec realprogram ${1+"$@"} /dev/null 2>&1 > My point was that any program that execs another should ensure that std{in,out,err} are approrpiately open and will remain open when the exec happens. There are many programs that fail when invoked with invalid fids 0, 1, or 2. In fact on some systems fid 3 is supposed to be open Read/Write from/to the controlling tty. It appears that fvwm2 actually execs my gui with fid 0 set to a socket which then gets closed under certain conditions, perhaps due to a fcntl setting. I have already compensated within the .fvwm2rc, but this is a hack and should not be necessary. -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:40:59 2004 From: dt-hKuJ9UrQZDM at public.gmane.org (David Tilbrook) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:40:59 -0500 Subject: why is -lXaw3d not found by ldd? In-Reply-To: References: <4012FFA1.2070200@qef.com> Message-ID: <4015B39B.4040605@qef.com> Tim Writer wrote: > David Tilbrook writes: > > >>When linking xfig with the following arguments: >> >> -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -lpng -lz \ >> -lXi -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXpm \ >> -lXext -lXaw3d \ >> -lX11 -lm > > > This looks a little odd. You're linking with Xaw and Xaw3d. Shouldn't it be > one or the other? > > >>and then running ldd on the resulting binary I get (in part): >> >> ... >> libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4016b000) >> libXaw3d.so.7 => not found > > > The Debian README for Xaw3d suggests that, at one time, libXaw3d.so was built > with its soname set to libXaw.so instead of libXaw3d.so to make it easier to > use as a builtin replacement for libXaw. Apparently this causes problems and > it's no longer built this way in Debian. I wonder if this could be your > problem on RH. Running: > > objdump -p /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7.0 > > will show you the soname and may give you a hint as to the problem. > Thanks for the reference to objdump. The interesting thing about this problem is that setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH or explicitly giving a -R flag to the loader avoids the problem. Why the -R flag should work whereas the -L flag works for all the other solibs in the same directory raises questions. -- dt -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:42:52 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:42:52 -0600 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A9A4.9000203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200401261842.52545.Garth@Webostics.com> Well, not that it's all that important, but I was there. There is only ONE LG that had SOME write troubles, their first, the 8080a. Since then EVERY other LG has performed flawlessly up to and including the DVD-RW. What Samsung has to do with LG (Lucky-Goldstar) I don't know. What I do know is that statements like the one at Samsung's Q&A is SLANDER. Too bad Linux guys are so nice eh? If Billy would see "You can't write CD's with Micro$oft, the only OS you can write CD's with is Redhat, Debian, SuSE, Caldera, Slackware, Mandrake, Knoppix and all those OTHER suitable forms of Linux," how long would it take for one of his lawyers to slap a SLANDER suit on Samsung and freeze all it's assets until a satifactory financial arrangement was made for his projected losses? One where he basically owns 51% of all Samsung. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:43:35 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:43:35 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <4015A5A4.7050006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> On January 26, 2004 06:41 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > Can anyone suggest reasons where seemingly good zones files would > fail to propegate? As always, everyones help is hugely appreciated! I've deleted your older emails about this ... what is your domain name and what are your primary and secondary dns servers? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 00:46:31 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:46:31 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <4015A5A4.7050006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4015B4E7.5090806@rogers.com> > Can anyone suggest reasons where seemingly good zones files would fail > to propegate? As always, everyones help is hugely appreciated! You've checked the serial numbers in the files and made sure everything is cool? -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 01:44:55 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:44:55 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <4015A88C.1010307-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 06:53:48PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > Martin C wrote: > >from: > >http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 > > Geezzz!!! I hope my CD-RW didn't read that. It might stop working!!! ;-) If Samsung says their devices doesn't work with Linux, then they must be right. If yours work, then it may appear to work under certain fortuitous condition. Go with Sony, Panasonic, or Plextor. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 01:51:59 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:51:59 -0500 Subject: a little script Message-ID: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> I want to write a little script, if that's the right word. Never done anything like that. Switching to VMware W98 vm means disabling cdrom, floppy, serial amd parallel ports in linux first. I tried making a little panel applet containing the commands, su; [password]; /sbin/service cups stop; /sbin/modprobe -r lp to free up the parallel port so the W98 vm can use it. I guess this is not the correct syntax, or panel icons cannot accept plain text passwords, or I am tryiing to do more than a panel icon can handle. I'm not looking to be coddled here (honestly), but if I want to write little things like this (and I doubt it will be the last) what should I be reading up on? Scripting, programming? Shell scripting? Already I can see I'll be wanting to expand that to umount floppy, cdrom and God-knows-what-else. I'm looking into taking on an extremely part-time assistant for a business I am starting (in Timmins - that should dissolve any interest out there). I want to set up icons to do a lot of these kinds of things. I know, I know, make 'em use the command-line. Up here, I'll ne happy if they'll be adventurous enough to use linux at all. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 01:58:17 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:58:17 -0600 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040127014455.GA14479-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200401261958.17206.Garth@Webostics.com> < If Samsung says their devices doesn't work with Linux, then they must be < right. If yours work, then it may appear to work under certain < fortuitous condition. Go with Sony, Panasonic, or Plextor. Or, you could just admit to yourself that maybe the technical person for Samsung is a TWIT and yet another ill informed professional living in their own little world. : ) http://www.understandtech.com/Computer-Department-System-Components-Accessories-Samsung.htm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 02:01:16 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:01:16 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040127014455.GA14479-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4015C66C.7020509@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 06:53:48PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Martin C wrote: >> >>>from: >>>http://www.samsungoms-europe.com/samsung.php?section=faqitem&group=cdrw&id=1 >> >>Geezzz!!! I hope my CD-RW didn't read that. It might stop working!!! ;-) > > > If Samsung says their devices doesn't work with Linux, then they must be > right. If yours work, then it may appear to work under certain > fortuitous condition. Go with Sony, Panasonic, or Plextor. > I have a Plextor. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 02:35:03 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:35:03 -0500 Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> Message-ID: <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 20:51, Chris Aitken wrote: > I want to write a little script, if that's the right word. Never done > anything like that. Switching to VMware W98 vm means disabling cdrom, > floppy, serial amd parallel ports in linux first. I tried making a > little panel applet containing the commands, > > su; [password]; /sbin/service cups stop; /sbin/modprobe -r lp > > to free up the parallel port so the W98 vm can use it. I mentioned this to you in a previous post, but a much easier way to print from both Linux and VMware to the same parallel attached printer is to enable Samba under Linux. Samba is the software that allows your Linux machine to be seen in a Windows Network Neighbourhood and participate in file and print sharing. Depending on the distro, you may only need to start it up, and it will automatically export all your printers as Samba shares. Then you should see them in the VMware guest's Network Neighbourhood (ie. in Red Hat, all you need to do is install the Samba RPMs, and start it up with "service smb start".) In VMware you configure them as you would any normal printer. If you want more details, fire me an email and we can talk about it. > I guess this is not the correct syntax, or panel icons cannot accept > plain text passwords, or I am tryiing to do more than a panel icon can > handle. I'm not looking to be coddled here (honestly), but if I want to > write little things like this (and I doubt it will be the last) what > should I be reading up on? Scripting, programming? Shell scripting? A shell script is simply a file with a series of commands you want to run. Open up a text editor, type the commands you want to run (one per line is a good way to start), and save it. Then change the permissions on the file to make it executable (chmod +x myscript.sh). Here's a very simple example script to do what you want (I know, I'll probably be flamed by the scripting experts out there): #!/bin/bash # # Simple script to stop printing services and unload the parallel # port module service cups stop modprobe -r lp exit 0 Of course, you could add all sorts of things like error checking, output to the screen, etc. Because it needs to be run as root, you may want to use a program like "sudo"; it allows you to run specific commands/scripts as the root user without having to actually su manually. "man sudo" will get you all the info you need on sudo. To learn shell scripting, you can get any number of Bash shell programming books, available from Oreilly and other publishers. There's also a real good shell programming book called "Advanced Bash Shell Scripting" available at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/. You can also get it in a downloadable PDF format. Your other option is to take a course, but that may be costly depending on who's offering the course and how long it is. > Already I can see I'll be wanting to expand that to umount floppy, cdrom > and God-knows-what-else. Understanding the basics of shell scripting extremely useful. Hope this helped a bit. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 03:07:32 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:07:32 -0500 Subject: a little script References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> Paul Mora wrote: > On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 20:51, Chris Aitken wrote: > > I want to write a little script, if that's the right word. Never done > > anything like that. Switching to VMware W98 vm means disabling cdrom, > > floppy, serial amd parallel ports in linux first. I tried making a > > little panel applet containing the commands, > > > > su; [password]; /sbin/service cups stop; /sbin/modprobe -r lp > > > > to free up the parallel port so the W98 vm can use it. > > I mentioned this to you in a previous post, but a much easier way to > print from both Linux and VMware to the same parallel attached printer > is to enable Samba under Linux. Yes, sorry - I saved that email. I guess as soon as I was able to print via CUPS, I put it in the back-burner. Then I saw this new wish (for an icon to suspend hardware in linux to free it up for the W98 vm) as unconnected to any emails I had kept on the printing issue. I'll take another look. > Samba is the software that allows your > Linux machine to be seen in a Windows Network Neighbourhood and > participate in file and print sharing. Yeah, I actually used it on redhat 6 to show some MS-linux interoperability to a sceptical PC troubleshooting class of MS-heads. I actually got them to see a Windows share in linux. > Depending on the distro, you may > only need to start it up, and it will automatically export all your > printers as Samba shares. Then you should see them in the VMware > guest's Network Neighbourhood (ie. in Red Hat, all you need to do is > install the Samba RPMs, and start it up with "service smb start".) In > VMware you configure them as you would any normal printer. OK, I'll have to think on this. I don't really want to go too far down the path of MS-linux interoperability - I just need the W98 vm to run an app (Pro Tools Free) that digidesign has not seen the wisdom in porting to linux. I'd rather learn a little scripting to bring on linux like a dog in heat, rather than holding hands with MS any more than I have to. But your suggestion is intriguing... > > If you want more details, fire me an email and we can talk about it. Nice offer - I'll keep this email as hard copy in my refernce binder - I'll probably need your help. > > > I guess this is not the correct syntax, or panel icons cannot accept > > plain text passwords, or I am tryiing to do more than a panel icon can > > handle. I'm not looking to be coddled here (honestly), but if I want to > > write little things like this (and I doubt it will be the last) what > > should I be reading up on? Scripting, programming? Shell scripting? > > A shell script is simply a file with a series of commands you want to > run. Open up a text editor, type the commands you want to run (one per > line is a good way to start), and save it. Then change the permissions > on the file to make it executable (chmod +x myscript.sh). OK. > > Here's a very simple example script to do what you want (I know, I'll > probably be flamed by the scripting experts out there): > > #!/bin/bash > # > # Simple script to stop printing services and unload the parallel > # port module > service cups stop > modprobe -r lp > exit 0 I type all that into vi? Are the #'s remarks or do they represent the command prompt ($ on my rh 7.3 system)? This file in the example I would save as myscript.sh and run it by typing myscript.sh or ./myscript.sh or $ !myscript.sh or some such? > > Of course, you could add all sorts of things like error checking, output > to the screen, etc. Neat. > Because it needs to be run as root, you may want to use a program like > "sudo"; it allows you to run specific commands/scripts as the root user > without having to actually su manually. "man sudo" will get you all the > info you need on sudo. > > To learn shell scripting, you can get any number of Bash shell > programming books, available from Oreilly and other publishers. There's > also a real good shell programming book called "Advanced Bash Shell > Scripting" available at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/. You can also > get it in a downloadable PDF format. > > Your other option is to take a course, but that may be costly depending > on who's offering the course and how long it is. They may still have programming basic course online at BLT. > > > Already I can see I'll be wanting to expand that to umount floppy, cdrom > > and God-knows-what-else. > > Understanding the basics of shell scripting extremely useful. Sounds like it. :) > > Hope this helped a bit. It did. [...] Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 05:10:30 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:10:30 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <200401261958.17206.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401261958.17206.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040127051030.GA17029@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 07:58:17PM -0600, Garth Meisel wrote: > > < If Samsung says their devices doesn't work with Linux, then they must be > < right. If yours work, then it may appear to work under certain > < fortuitous condition. Go with Sony, Panasonic, or Plextor. > > Or, you could just admit to yourself that maybe the technical person for > Samsung is a TWIT and yet another ill informed professional living in their > own little world. : ) > > http://www.understandtech.com/Computer-Department-System-Components-Accessories-Samsung.htm If Samsung says no Linux, then it's no Linux. Why do you feel necessary to argue with manufacturer about their product? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data management and processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 05:20:29 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:20:29 -0600 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040127051030.GA17029-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <200401261958.17206.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040127051030.GA17029@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200401262320.29199.Garth@Webostics.com> I'm sorry, I'm not hungry tonight either. I think enough has been said on this topic. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 10:08:27 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:08:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux so far no software hare (fwd) Message-ID: I just sent this to the Star. I sent it as an article to the Business section. I don't really know the best place. Perhaps their Ombudsman. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: D. Hugh Redelmeier To: business-4aHm7/Ykixuw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Subject: Linux so far no software hare I read your article "Linux so far no software hare" in Monday's Star. As Wolfgang Pauli once said: "This paper is so bad it is not even wrong." The article is very misleading to the uninitiated, the apparent target audience. It keeps claiming weaknesses in Linux without actually specifying what they are. I've used Linux for perhaps 8 years. It is what I run on my desktop. On the other hand, I don't recommend it to my father. The decision whether to use Linux on a desktop involves a number of aspects and this article addresses none of them. In the computer business, we call this spreading FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (implicitly: with insufficient technical basis). I'd be happy to write an article on this topic with some actual content. " Linux so far no software hare " System is making slow progress into mainstream Keeners admit its " shortcomings [This appears to need punctuation. Your printed copy gets this right but your web site (quoted above) gets it wrong.] Linux has made fast progress into the mainstream of many markets. The article means "desktop" but does not say so. " at N.Y. trade show Which one? Why not say "LinuxWorld" here? " ERIC AUCHARD " REUTERS NEWS AGENCY " " NEW YORK As never before, corporate customers are turning to Linux " software instead of Microsoft Windows to run big business operations. Many corporate customers have never used MS Windows for server tasks. Most are turning from UNIX to Linux (MS Windows has historically been weak as a server OS). If the paragraph had said "desktop", then it would be more clearly communicating what I infer that it intended to. " Now, if only they could get the word processor's basic "cut and paste" " feature to work. This comment seems to be precise, but I don't know what it refers to. There are many word processors on LINUX and none that I've tried has had a problem with basic cut and paste. " At the LinuxWorld trade show here last week, advocates said the next " big challenge for the loose-knit "free software" movement is to create " a reliable way to run desktop computers and perform mainstream office " tasks. What does that mean? What isn't reliable? Who said it? Linux Advocates are not of one mind. Many have their own agendas. It is widely believed that Linux is more reliable than MS Windows. The hard statistics I've seen have been about server installations so they might not apply. " "It works 98 per cent of the time. But it's the 2 per cent of the time " it doesn't that kills you," Jeremy White, a leading developer of Linux " applications, told an audience of network administrators. Jeremy White isn't a leading developer of Linux applications, as far as I know. He is the CEO of CodeWeavers, a company whose product is designed to run MS Windows applications on Linux. This is not an unbiased viewpoint. " Even some of its biggest proponents admit that Linux has a long way to " go before it can mount a credible alternative to Microsoft Windows, " the world's dominant software operating system. Credible in what sense? This is a vague, hand-waving statement. So vague as to be useless. Except as FUD. " "Linux desktops need a little more work to be consistent," said Jack " Messman, chairman and chief executive of Novell Inc. Consistent in what way? (I think that I understand why he said that but the article would not convey this to a reader.) " "I don't know how much of that will come about this year." If we don't know what "that" is, we won't even recognize when it has arrived. " His 20-year-old network software company, with two acquisitions of " high-profile Linux companies in the past year, has become the No. 2 " independent supplier of Linux software. " " "It's a big pile of lumber with no agreed-upon standards," complained " White, president of St. Paul, Minn.-based software company " CodeWeavers. Same CodeWeavers CEO with a product to push. As Andy Tannenbaum once said, "the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." Linux certainly follows more standards than does MS Windows. " Linux relies on a network of independent programmers to improve its " software. Its users are required to share the computer code they " create. This is false: Linux users are not required to share the computer code they create. " This is a dramatic shift from traditional secretive software " development. Not really. The way Linux has developed is an evolution from the way software used to be developed. The commercial production of software as a product (the way Microsoft does development) is something that only developed historically recently. " But it has won a wide and growing fan base among computer programmers, " academics, corporate customers and government agencies in developing " countries. That is true. But there is also a wide and growing base of users. The paragraph implicitly puts down Linux without justifying the put-down. " The trouble for Linux is that it must move quickly to create a " credible alternative to Windows. Analysts say Linux has a window of " opportunity before Microsoft's next major operating system is released " sometime around 2006. There are many "troubles" with Linux, not just one. There is no reason that Linux must do anything. Some folks may want it to "move quickly to create a credible alternative to Windows". There is no "must" about this. Linux is quite credible. Why must it be judged as an immitation MS Windows? Trying to play catchup is a rather unimaginative game. " Open Source Development Labs, a corporate-customer-backed consortium " that employs Linux inventor Linus Torvalds, said last week it would " lead a drive for standards to make Linux work smoothly on desktop PCs. The word "smoothly" does not convey any actual information. Except possibly that Linux must be rough in some way. What way? More FUD. " Stuart Cohen, chief executive of Beaverton, Ore.-based OSDL, said its " Desktop Linux Working Group will be backed by many of the world's " biggest computer companies as well as key corporate customers. " " The strategy is to nibble away at the edges of the Windows world and " target computers that run primarily one or two applications, such as " retail check-out terminals, customer call centres and centrally " managed office worker terminals. Nibbling certainly sounds like a bold strategy. Microsoft must be quaking in its boots. One great thing about Linux is that it can accommodate many different goals. Mine certainly isn't nibbling. " LinuxWorld is a showcase of where the Linux desktop is headed. And a showcase of many other things. The desktop is not the primary focus of LinuxWorld. " CodeWeavers has created an innovative program called CrossOver Office. " It allows users to run standard Windows programs like Office, Internet " Explorer, Lotus Notes and Photoshop on Linux PCs with no special " effort and few if any detectable glitches. I think that this paragraph is mostly true. But it is misleading: CrossOver Office doesn't run all MS Windows programs -- only some have been tested. So this paragraph appears to make too broad a claim for CrossOver Office. " Office documents created using Microsoft Windows PCs can be saved and " reopened on Linux PCs without suffering the sort of software conflicts " that cause programs to crash. This mundane compatibility is a crucial " test of Linux's viability as a potential replacement for Windows. This fails to mention that a copy of MS Office must be purchased to do this. I've not found that OpenOffice (available on Linux and MS Windows at no charge) crashed on the few MS Office documents that I've fed it. What "software conflicts" could he be referring to? MS Office itself is unlikely to be more stable on Linux than on MS Windows. It would be good to mention that Microsoft has interlocking monopolies. The operating system, the word processor, the spread sheet, and so on are all locked together in a defensive phalanx. The point of this article is really that it is hard to penetrate this defense because of these mutually supportive monopolies. " Xandros Inc. of Ottawa recently introduced Version 2 of its " Windows-like desktop operating system that combines the stability of " Linux with the look-and-feel of Windows. It boasts easy installation " in just four clicks, simpler than installing Windows 2000 on a new " machine. This seems out of place in an article about Linux in general. There are several other Linux desktops that are much more popular. " Market research company International Data Corp., of Framingham, " Mass., estimates that paid shipments of Linux rose to 2.8 per cent of " desktop operating systems in 2002, up from 1.7 per cent two years " earlier. I'm not sure why "paid shipments" of a free system are a reasonable measure. Certainly not in comparison with non-free systems (MS Windows or MacOS). " But that is still below the approximately 3 per cent share of No. 2 " ranked Apple Computer Inc., which more than a decade ago gave up " trying to compete directly with Microsoft. In what sense don't they compete directly with Microsoft? What event happened more than a decade ago? This article does a disservice to the Star readers. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 12:07:21 2004 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:07:21 +0800 Subject: Email Server on subdomain Message-ID: <200401272007.21846.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi, I have a localdomain, mydomain.com. In mydomain.com I have a local DNS. which resolves the mydomain.com workstation and the MX for the said domain. I want to setup another email server ,subdomain, workstation1.mydomain.com i already finish doing the setup and now i want to make the necessary change on my DNS... at this point im stuck.. how can i setup my DNS MX record to point to workstation1.mydomain.com if someone emails a user-vEgOWn/6yzlUvZw60irGklZU9NkXhid/AL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org? my goal is: if someone emails user-3Q2Tfjf0mexWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org the MX will be workstation10.mydomain.com if someone emails user-vEgOWn/6yzlUvZw60irGklZU9NkXhid/AL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org the MX will be workstation1.mydomain.com im using qmail as smtp. TIA jm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 13:20:50 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:20:50 -0500 Subject: Linux so far no software hare (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message from "D. Hugh Redelmeier" of "Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:08:27 EST." References: Message-ID: <20040127132051.AFDDF3FF4@cbbrowne.com> > I just sent this to the Star. I sent it as an article to the Business > section. I don't really know the best place. Perhaps their > Ombudsman. [Much elided that I agree with; it is _very_ well written, Hugh!] > MS Office itself is unlikely to be more stable on Linux than on MS > Windows. I'll take a _bit_ of issue with this, as there have been known to be surprises. I have seen several reports from people I trust well with the rather surprising conclusion that running Windows atop VMWare atop Linux leads to an environment noticeably more stable than running Windows "natively." The apparent explanation is that the "simulated PC" that VMWare provides has fewer "jagged bits of functionality" coming in from the hardware side that can 'break down.' In effect, the "virtual machine" that their product emulates is better, for the purpose of running Windows, than a real one. That is quite different from what I would be inclined to expect; what I would _expect_ is that VMWare, being a "simulator," with all sorts of "kludges," would be considerably less reliable than a "real machine." An implementation of MS Office that uses the boundaries of Unix processes and directories and permissions to enclose its behaviour might conceivably be more stable than the existing editions that have generally been pretty unconstrained in what they can do to one's computer system. Of course, the opposite can be true; witness the reports of the hideous implementation of Internet Explorer on Solaris and HP/UX... But it is good to keep in mind that Microsoft has implemented MS Office atop "Unix" in the form of the latest edition for MacOS X. After doing "it" (porting to Unix) once, Microsoft probably has enough experience to be able to choose what degree of stability they want unleashed... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/spreadsheets.html Rules of the Evil Overlord #95. "My dungeon will have its own qualified medical staff complete with bodyguards. That way if a prisoner becomes sick and his cellmate tells the guard it's an emergency, the guard will fetch a trauma team instead of opening up the cell for a look." -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 14:23:38 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:23:38 -0500 Subject: Linux so far no software hare (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 05:08:27AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040127092338.B1457@ee.ryerson.ca> Nice response, Hugh. The offer to produce something is a positive response. Newspapers are always looking for material, and they love controversy. But for the business section, it would have to be researched, with statistics, and that's a lot of work. An easier approach might be to find someone who has recently started using Linux and do a 'point of view' article on their experience. Something that could have a headline like 'Cutting the Windows Umbilical Cord: Diane tries Linux'. These sorts of things appear all the time in the Star. Peter On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 05:08:27AM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I just sent this to the Star. I sent it as an article to the Business > section. I don't really know the best place. Perhaps their > Ombudsman. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) > From: D. Hugh Redelmeier > To: business-4aHm7/Ykixuw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org > Subject: Linux so far no software hare > > I read your article "Linux so far no software hare" in Monday's Star. > > As Wolfgang Pauli once said: "This paper is so bad it is not even > wrong." > > The article is very misleading to the uninitiated, the apparent target > audience. It keeps claiming weaknesses in Linux without actually > specifying what they are. > > I've used Linux for perhaps 8 years. It is what I run on my desktop. > On the other hand, I don't recommend it to my father. The decision > whether to use Linux on a desktop involves a number of aspects and > this article addresses none of them. > > In the computer business, we call this spreading FUD: Fear, > Uncertainty, and Doubt (implicitly: with insufficient technical > basis). > > I'd be happy to write an article on this topic with some actual > content. > > " Linux so far no software hare > " System is making slow progress into mainstream Keeners admit its > " shortcomings > > [This appears to need punctuation. Your printed copy gets this > right but your web site (quoted above) gets it wrong.] > > Linux has made fast progress into the mainstream of many markets. The > article means "desktop" but does not say so. > > " at N.Y. trade show > > Which one? Why not say "LinuxWorld" here? > > " ERIC AUCHARD > " REUTERS NEWS AGENCY > " > " NEW YORK As never before, corporate customers are turning to Linux > " software instead of Microsoft Windows to run big business operations. > > Many corporate customers have never used MS Windows for server tasks. > Most are turning from UNIX to Linux (MS Windows has historically been > weak as a server OS). > > If the paragraph had said "desktop", then it would be more clearly > communicating what I infer that it intended to. > > " Now, if only they could get the word processor's basic "cut and paste" > " feature to work. > > This comment seems to be precise, but I don't know what it refers to. > There are many word processors on LINUX and none that I've tried has > had a problem with basic cut and paste. > > " At the LinuxWorld trade show here last week, advocates said the next > " big challenge for the loose-knit "free software" movement is to create > " a reliable way to run desktop computers and perform mainstream office > " tasks. > > What does that mean? What isn't reliable? Who said it? Linux > Advocates are not of one mind. Many have their own agendas. > > It is widely believed that Linux is more reliable than MS Windows. > The hard statistics I've seen have been about server installations so > they might not apply. > > " "It works 98 per cent of the time. But it's the 2 per cent of the time > " it doesn't that kills you," Jeremy White, a leading developer of Linux > " applications, told an audience of network administrators. > > Jeremy White isn't a leading developer of Linux applications, as far as > I know. He is the CEO of CodeWeavers, a company whose product is > designed to run MS Windows applications on Linux. This is not an > unbiased viewpoint. > > " Even some of its biggest proponents admit that Linux has a long way to > " go before it can mount a credible alternative to Microsoft Windows, > " the world's dominant software operating system. > > Credible in what sense? This is a vague, hand-waving statement. > So vague as to be useless. Except as FUD. > > " "Linux desktops need a little more work to be consistent," said Jack > " Messman, chairman and chief executive of Novell Inc. > > Consistent in what way? (I think that I understand why he said that > but the article would not convey this to a reader.) > > " "I don't know how much of that will come about this year." > > If we don't know what "that" is, we won't even recognize when it has > arrived. > > " His 20-year-old network software company, with two acquisitions of > " high-profile Linux companies in the past year, has become the No. 2 > " independent supplier of Linux software. > " > " "It's a big pile of lumber with no agreed-upon standards," complained > " White, president of St. Paul, Minn.-based software company > " CodeWeavers. > > Same CodeWeavers CEO with a product to push. > > As Andy Tannenbaum once said, "the great thing about standards is that > there are so many to choose from." Linux certainly follows more > standards than does MS Windows. > > " Linux relies on a network of independent programmers to improve its > " software. Its users are required to share the computer code they > " create. > > This is false: Linux users are not required to share the computer code > they create. > > " This is a dramatic shift from traditional secretive software > " development. > > Not really. The way Linux has developed is an evolution from the way > software used to be developed. The commercial production of software > as a product (the way Microsoft does development) is something that > only developed historically recently. > > " But it has won a wide and growing fan base among computer programmers, > " academics, corporate customers and government agencies in developing > " countries. > > That is true. But there is also a wide and growing base of users. > The paragraph implicitly puts down Linux without justifying the > put-down. > > " The trouble for Linux is that it must move quickly to create a > " credible alternative to Windows. Analysts say Linux has a window of > " opportunity before Microsoft's next major operating system is released > " sometime around 2006. > > There are many "troubles" with Linux, not just one. > > There is no reason that Linux must do anything. Some folks may want > it to "move quickly to create a credible alternative to Windows". > There is no "must" about this. > > Linux is quite credible. Why must it be judged as an immitation MS > Windows? Trying to play catchup is a rather unimaginative game. > > " Open Source Development Labs, a corporate-customer-backed consortium > " that employs Linux inventor Linus Torvalds, said last week it would > " lead a drive for standards to make Linux work smoothly on desktop PCs. > > The word "smoothly" does not convey any actual information. Except > possibly that Linux must be rough in some way. What way? More FUD. > > " Stuart Cohen, chief executive of Beaverton, Ore.-based OSDL, said its > " Desktop Linux Working Group will be backed by many of the world's > " biggest computer companies as well as key corporate customers. > " > " The strategy is to nibble away at the edges of the Windows world and > " target computers that run primarily one or two applications, such as > " retail check-out terminals, customer call centres and centrally > " managed office worker terminals. > > Nibbling certainly sounds like a bold strategy. Microsoft must be > quaking in its boots. > > One great thing about Linux is that it can accommodate many different > goals. Mine certainly isn't nibbling. > > " LinuxWorld is a showcase of where the Linux desktop is headed. > > And a showcase of many other things. The desktop is not the primary > focus of LinuxWorld. > > " CodeWeavers has created an innovative program called CrossOver Office. > " It allows users to run standard Windows programs like Office, Internet > " Explorer, Lotus Notes and Photoshop on Linux PCs with no special > " effort and few if any detectable glitches. > > I think that this paragraph is mostly true. But it is misleading: > CrossOver Office doesn't run all MS Windows programs -- only some have > been tested. So this paragraph appears to make too broad a claim for > CrossOver Office. > > " Office documents created using Microsoft Windows PCs can be saved and > " reopened on Linux PCs without suffering the sort of software conflicts > " that cause programs to crash. This mundane compatibility is a crucial > " test of Linux's viability as a potential replacement for Windows. > > This fails to mention that a copy of MS Office must be purchased to do > this. > > I've not found that OpenOffice (available on Linux and MS Windows at > no charge) crashed on the few MS Office documents that I've fed it. > What "software conflicts" could he be referring to? > > MS Office itself is unlikely to be more stable on Linux than on MS > Windows. > > It would be good to mention that Microsoft has interlocking > monopolies. The operating system, the word processor, the spread > sheet, and so on are all locked together in a defensive phalanx. The > point of this article is really that it is hard to penetrate this > defense because of these mutually supportive monopolies. > > " Xandros Inc. of Ottawa recently introduced Version 2 of its > " Windows-like desktop operating system that combines the stability of > " Linux with the look-and-feel of Windows. It boasts easy installation > " in just four clicks, simpler than installing Windows 2000 on a new > " machine. > > This seems out of place in an article about Linux in general. There > are several other Linux desktops that are much more popular. > > " Market research company International Data Corp., of Framingham, > " Mass., estimates that paid shipments of Linux rose to 2.8 per cent of > " desktop operating systems in 2002, up from 1.7 per cent two years > " earlier. > > I'm not sure why "paid shipments" of a free system are a reasonable > measure. Certainly not in comparison with non-free systems (MS > Windows or MacOS). > > " But that is still below the approximately 3 per cent share of No. 2 > " ranked Apple Computer Inc., which more than a decade ago gave up > " trying to compete directly with Microsoft. > > In what sense don't they compete directly with Microsoft? What event > happened more than a decade ago? > > This article does a disservice to the Star readers. > > Hugh Redelmeier > hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 15:11:03 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:11:03 -0500 Subject: Problem Message-ID: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> I have a Red Hat 7.3 server which has been shutting off in the middle of the night for the past several days. Is there any way I can check a log or somewhere else to find out what is going on? Where should I be looking? Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dipesh.shah-8GciS3w/T/I7cdpDWioORw at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 15:15:53 2004 From: dipesh.shah-8GciS3w/T/I7cdpDWioORw at public.gmane.org (Dipesh Shah) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:15:53 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: Could it be your motherboard's CMOS battery is dying? I experienced a similar situation on a PC awhile back. Always, Dipesh :) On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:11:03 -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > I have a Red Hat 7.3 server which has been shutting off in the middle of > the night for the past several days. Is there any way I can check a log > or somewhere else to find out what is going on? Where should I be > looking? > > Thanks, > > Sid > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 15:30:13 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: Latest Evil Spam... Message-ID: Hi Fraser , sounds like you need to make a fone call: (flash required, heavy use of the f-word) or filter your email ;-) Begin forwarded message: > From: Fraser Campbell > Date: January 23, 2004 20:52:35 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Latest Evil Spam... > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > On January 23, 2004 08:48 pm, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >> Gotta love this one... > > Perhaps you love it, but I get hundreds of spams per day and get > rather tired > of seeing people forward their spams to mailing lists. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 15:30:24 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:24 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601c3e4ea$83bc6cf0$6401a8c0@main> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Dipesh > Shah > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:16 AM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Problem > > Could it be your motherboard's CMOS battery is dying? I experienced a > similar situation on a PC awhile back. > > Always, > Dipesh :) > Actually, it turns out it may have been a DOS attack. I could not get in, and connect via web, SSH, etc. but upon calling the tech at the location, the server was on, but traffic could not get through because it was being bombarded by traffic. Any way to check which domains were being targeted? Thanks, Sidney -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 15:48:45 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Jan 2004 10:48:45 -0500 Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: Chris Aitken writes: > Paul Mora wrote: > > > > Here's a very simple example script to do what you want (I know, I'll > > probably be flamed by the scripting experts out there): > > > > #!/bin/bash > > # > > # Simple script to stop printing services and unload the parallel > > # port module > > service cups stop > > modprobe -r lp > > exit 0 > > I type all that into vi? Any text editor, vi is fine. > Are the #'s remarks or do they represent the command > prompt ($ on my rh 7.3 system)? They are remarks (comments). > This file in the example I would save as > myscript.sh and run it by typing myscript.sh or ./myscript.sh or $ > !myscript.sh or some such? You can give it any name you want, it does not have to have a ".sh" extension. If you save it as myscript.sh in your home directory for example, you would run it as: ./myscript.sh when in your home directory. To run it from somewhere else, any of: ~LOGIN/myscript.sh /home/LOGIN/myscript.sh where LOGIN is replaced by your login name, should work. If you need to run it often, you should copy it to a directory in your path (or in this case, root's path since you're going to be running it as root). A good place would be /usr/local/bin. Then you can just run: myscript.sh > > To learn shell scripting, you can get any number of Bash shell > > programming books, available from Oreilly and other publishers. There's > > also a real good shell programming book called "Advanced Bash Shell > > Scripting" available at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/. You can also > > get it in a downloadable PDF format. You can also study a lot of the shell scripts which make up a typical Linux system. Some of them are complex but a lot of them are remarkably simple. Take a look at the start/stop scripts in /etc/init.d or /etc/rc.d/init.d These scripts are responsible for starting and stopping system services which is one reason why: > > Understanding the basics of shell scripting extremely useful. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 10:54:51 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:54:51 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <00c601c3e4ea$83bc6cf0$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <00c601c3e4ea$83bc6cf0$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200401270554.51250.skuznets@blueprint.org> > > Actually, it turns out it may have been a DOS attack. I could not get > in, and connect via web, SSH, etc. but upon calling the tech at the > location, the server was on, but traffic could not get through because > it was being bombarded by traffic. Any way to check which domains were > being targeted? > It is not necesary to be exact domain or set of domains. It could be just simplest SYN or FIN or something like that. First of all, check the traffic on-site at the moment of attack ( is it's possible ) by tcpdump. If it's impossible then make the cron job, which will start aproximately at the time of attack and will grab any incoming/outgoing packet to the tcpdump's binary format file. ( you need lots of space, if your sites are heavily used ), and cron job which kill the tcpdump session after some time. If you will see the 3-way TCP handshake in the tcpdump logs - you probably can recognize the attacker, if it's SYN/FIN attack - forget about it, source address could be forged. Even for 3-way TCP handshake the attacker can use the anonymous SOCKS-proxies. In this case you should ask Your hoster to initiate security investigation, to trace the attackers. Any big providers like MCI/ATT/Sprint have their security specialists who know how to trace the attacker and interoperate with other networks. PS: Security guys from my previous work ( MCI Canada) successfuly traced, localized and filtered at origin such kind of attacks ( it came from China ) for some of their customers. -- All the Best! ----------------- Sergey Kuznetsov Senior Software Developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute at Mount Sinai Hospital -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 16:02:29 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Jan 2004 11:02:29 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: References: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: Dipesh Shah writes: > Could it be your motherboard's CMOS battery is dying? I experienced a similar > situation on a PC awhile back. A dead CMOS battery should n't crash a (Linux) PC. I've run PCs with dead CMOS batteries for months. It's a pain if you have to reboot (cuz the BIOS will inevitably require human intervention) but once up, Linux will happily run forever. > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:11:03 -0500, Sidney Shapiro > wrote: > > > > I have a Red Hat 7.3 server which has been shutting off in the middle of > > the night for the past several days. Is there any way I can check a log > > or somewhere else to find out what is going on? Where should I be > > looking? Small power outages or brownouts? Cron job that exhausts all available memory? Have a look at /var/log/messages, some errors may have been logged before the system shutdown. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 16:41:23 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:41:23 -0500 Subject: Linux so far no software hare (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20040127132051.AFDDF3FF4-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040127132051.AFDDF3FF4@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040127110035.02fbc240@localhost> At 08:20 27/01/2004 -0500, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I just sent this to the Star. I sent it as an article to the Business > > section. I don't really know the best place. Perhaps their > > Ombudsman. > >[Much elided that I agree with; it is _very_ well written, Hugh!] Agreed. > > MS Office itself is unlikely to be more stable on Linux than on MS > > Windows. > >I'll take a _bit_ of issue with this, as there have been known to be >surprises. > >I have seen several reports from people I trust well with the rather >surprising conclusion that running Windows atop VMWare atop Linux leads >to an environment noticeably more stable than running Windows >"natively." I do both, run Windows natively and on VMware that is, and have not found any difference in stability. All modern implementations of Windows, i.e. NT, 2000, and XP, have actually been quite stable for me, for some narrow meaning of the word "stable". If the ability to continue running without blue screening, as the Win9x series is wont to do is a measure, then yes, the aforementioned are much more stable. BSODs on NT, 2000, or XP are not the norm, as some Linux/Mac OS bigots would like others to believe. What I have found, however, is that all three of these operating systems suffer from lousy memory management. This may have more to do with the applications that I run on them, e.g. Eudora, Internet Explorer, than the underlying OS but I find that after a few days, in order to maintain some reasonable semblance of performance, I have to do a restart. Otherwise, memory usage balloons out to grotesque levels and Windows starts swapping heavily. Windows hitting swap is not a pretty sight. More RAM only delays the inevitable. A difference I have noticed with running Windows on VMware vs. running it natively on the same hardware is that I/O is considerably slower running on VMware, which I suppose is understandable. >The apparent explanation is that the "simulated PC" that VMWare provides >has fewer "jagged bits of functionality" coming in from the hardware >side that can 'break down.' In effect, the "virtual machine" that >their product emulates is better, for the purpose of running Windows, >than a real one. > >That is quite different from what I would be inclined to expect; what I >would _expect_ is that VMWare, being a "simulator," with all sorts of >"kludges," would be considerably less reliable than a "real machine." > >An implementation of MS Office that uses the boundaries of Unix >processes and directories and permissions to enclose its behaviour might >conceivably be more stable than the existing editions that have >generally been pretty unconstrained in what they can do to one's >computer system. > >Of course, the opposite can be true; witness the reports of the hideous >implementation of Internet Explorer on Solaris and HP/UX... > >But it is good to keep in mind that Microsoft has implemented MS Office >atop "Unix" in the form of the latest edition for MacOS X. After doing >"it" (porting to Unix) once, Microsoft probably has enough experience to >be able to choose what degree of stability they want unleashed... My understanding is that Office X, the OS X version of office, was NOT a port but a clean slate design. My friends who run it love it and they are not big MS fans so clearly, MS can write solid code if they want to. Word 6 probably caused more defections from the Mac OS to Windows in the mid '90s than just about any other single factor, which could have been a deliberate strategy if it were not simple incompetence. Word 6 *was* a port, and an ugly one at that. It was the biggest piece of junk and crashed early and often. I remember the arcane incantations we had to mumble and the ritual sacrifices that we had to make just to have System 7.6x stable enough that it would "only" freeze couple of times a day. Turn virtual memory off, turn virtual memory on. RAM Doubler, Speed Doubler, disable this init, enable that one, load inits in a different order. Not too many fonts, not enough fonts, not the right fonts... blah! I found the comment in the Star article about crashes on opening MS Office documents to be amusing because the only time that I have ever experienced that is with MS Word (XP) opening a file created using the *same* version and instance of MS Word. I could get Word to GPF reliably on this one particular file but OpenOffice on Linux was happy to open it, modify it, and save it back in Word format. Password protected MS Office documents are a problem even with other versions of the same application, much less OpenOffice. We have a client that has stopped using OpenOffice and is standardizing on Office XP mainly because of this reason. They had lots of Office 97 and Office 2000 documents and sharing between the two versions did not seem to be a problem. Enter OpenOffice, and it could not unlock password protected Office documents. So, they "upgraded" to Offfice XP and lo and behold, it could not unlock their existing password protected documents either. I questioned why they needed to password protect documents anyway since all that I have ever read about this practice suggests that it is akin to leaving one's house key under the door mat and it seems like there are an inordinate number of problems with file corruption with this practice, as evidenced by tales of woe and the number of utilities to "recover" MS Office files on the Internet. It was their way of protecting sensitive documents sent by email from prying eyes instead of using PGP. I've come to the conclusion that email encryption is too complicated for the average user so it does not get done and people resort to hacks like password protecting documents or zip files. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 16:52:36 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:52:36 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040127051030.GA17029-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401261958.17206.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040127051030.GA17029@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040127165236.GQ2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 12:10:30AM -0500, William Park wrote: > If Samsung says no Linux, then it's no Linux. Why do you feel necessary > to argue with manufacturer about their product? They can say whatever they want about THEIR product. They are claiming almost no CD writer works with Linux that is made by anybody. Hence they are being stupid and FUD spreaders. That is the real complaint I think. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 17:03:14 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:03:14 -0600 Subject: Email Server on subdomain In-Reply-To: <200401272007.21846.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200401272007.21846.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <200401271103.14350.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Tue January 27 2004 6:07 am, JM said: < Hi, < < I have a localdomain, mydomain.com. In mydomain.com I have a local DNS. < which resolves the mydomain.com workstation and the MX for the said domain. < < I want to setup another email server ,subdomain, < workstation1.mydomain.com i already finish doing the setup and now i want to < make the necessary change on my DNS... at this point im stuck.. < < how can i setup my DNS MX record to point to workstation1.mydomain.com < if someone emails a user-vEgOWn/6yzlUvZw60irGklZU9NkXhid/AL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org? < < my goal is: < if someone emails user-3Q2Tfjf0mexWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org the MX will be < workstation10.mydomain.com < if someone emails user-vEgOWn/6yzlUvZw60irGklZU9NkXhid/AL8bYrjMMd8 at public.gmane.org the MX will be < workstation1.mydomain.com < < < im using qmail as smtp. I'm not quite understanding exactly what you're doing here. Are you trying to configure ONE Qmail server to accept mail for "Doesn't really matter how many virtuals" or are you trying to configure TWO Qmail servers to spin their own little webs? I would have ONE email server accepting virtual addresses for a thousand or 100K addresses or domains, whether virtual/sub potato potato but that would have nothing to do with setting MX records for sub-domains to a separate computer etc. If you're serving more than one domain or sub-domain/virtuals blah blah blah, you want to have the MX record for those domains to all point to your email server. All the other domains I collect/send mail for all go to mail.webostics.com. My main domain is obviously "webostics.com" and host name "mail". No separate places to set DNS to. MX in DNS all goes to mail.webostics.com and Postfix (or Qmail) will deal with it at it's level. Hope this helps somewhat. I can't help any further because I don't run Qmail and you need to check out the virtual settings for Qmail. : ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 18:29:45 2004 From: jmm-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:29:45 -0500 Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040127132945.B24278@algate.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 10:48:45AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Chris Aitken writes: > > > Paul Mora wrote: > > > > > > Here's a very simple example script to do what you want (I know, I'll > > > probably be flamed by the scripting experts out there): > > > > > > #!/bin/bash > > > # > > > # Simple script to stop printing services and unload the parallel > > > # port module > > > service cups stop > > > modprobe -r lp > > > exit 0 > > > > I type all that into vi? > > Any text editor, vi is fine. > > > Are the #'s remarks or do they represent the command > > prompt ($ on my rh 7.3 system)? > > They are remarks (comments). But don't just throw them all away. When the script is run by bash, they are treated by bash as comments. However, that first line is not totally a comment - it can serve a functional purpose too. When the first line of a text file starts with #! (in column 1, no leading spaces) the rest of the line can be used to indicate the program that will interpret this script (in this case /bin/bash). (There are a few more details, like including command options and platform-specific limitations on the maximum length of the line that will be used.) Now, if you make this file executable, you can invoke this file as if it were a program. The kernel recognizes the leading #! (called a shebang, short for hash bang) as a special type of "executable" program, and invokes the associated program to run the script. That means that instead of saying "bash script" you can just say "script" to get it to run. Lots of "programs" that come as a part of your system are actually scripts under the hood, but you don't have to care about that becuse of this mechanism. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 17:11:58 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:11:58 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200401271211.58191.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 January 2004 10:11, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > I have a Red Hat 7.3 server which has been shutting off in the middle of > the night for the past several days. Is there any way I can check a log > or somewhere else to find out what is going on? Where should I be > looking? If you really mean powering off then you're either having power failures or you're having problems. If this is happening it's very unlikely that you'll find anything interesting in the logfiles. Is the machine on a UPS, does it have a quality power supply? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 17:40:11 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:40:11 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <200401271211.58191.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> <200401271211.58191.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <200401271240.11298.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Look in your cron logs to see what the last entry is. This will give you an idea when it is shutting down. Then you can check to see if other cron jobs start up around that time. CB On Tuesday 27 January 2004 12:11 pm, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 27 January 2004 10:11, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > I have a Red Hat 7.3 server which has been shutting off in the middle of > > the night for the past several days. Is there any way I can check a log > > or somewhere else to find out what is going on? Where should I be > > looking? > > If you really mean powering off then you're either having power failures or > you're having problems. If this is happening it's very unlikely that > you'll find anything interesting in the logfiles. Is the machine on a UPS, > does it have a quality power supply? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 17:47:33 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:47:33 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <200401271211.58191.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <00ac01c3e4e7$cfab8a90$6401a8c0@main> <200401271211.58191.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <200401271247.33575.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 January 2004 12:11, Fraser Campbell wrote: > If you really mean powering off then you're either having power failures or > you're having problems. If this is happening it's very unlikely that Above line should start "you're having hardware problems" ... the fact you're having problems is obvious ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 17:49:24 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:49:24 -0600 Subject: Linux so far no software hare (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20040127092338.B1457-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040127092338.B1457@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <200401271149.24240.Garth@Webostics.com> I'm with ya too. Lots to offer in various categories. I'd be very interested in finding out why the Star didn't have their own IT Professionals sign their names to it. Surely they have some! And I'd also be very interested to know exactly what the Star runs for all it's assorted tasks. They might have Linux holding things together there for them and be talking out the side of their faces at the same time. Wouldn't that be a laugh. Happens here too. Happens far too often everywhere and that's why it might be a good idea to think a little bigger than just the Star. A piece well researched and written deserves more than ONE audience, especially when it's probably for free for them and rewards the writer with nothing except authorship if that! The person needing the data on migrating successfully from Windoze to Linux etc, please pm me if you read this. Thanks. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 19:37:13 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:37:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Tim Writer wrote: > Chris Aitken writes: [snip] > > This file in the example I would save as > > myscript.sh and run it by typing myscript.sh or ./myscript.sh or $ > > !myscript.sh or some such? > > You can give it any name you want, it does not have to have a ".sh" Don't forget to make it executable: chmod +x myscript.sh -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 19:50:31 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:50:31 -0500 Subject: Problem In-Reply-To: <200401271247.33575.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401271247.33575.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <000001c3e50e$d766d790$6401a8c0@main> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Fraser > Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:48 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Problem > > On Tuesday 27 January 2004 12:11, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > If you really mean powering off then you're either having power failures > or > > you're having problems. If this is happening it's very unlikely that > > Above line should start "you're having hardware problems" ... the fact > you're > having problems is obvious ;-) > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux I thought of that a couple moments after I pressed send :) It should have been DOS attack problem rather than a hardware issue as it turns out. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 20:15:19 2004 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:15:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jan 27th. NewTLUG meeting: *** cancelled *** Message-ID: This month's meeting is CANCELLED ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...due to the weather ...sorry for the short notice ...we'll reschedule the planned topic for a later date --- Herb Richter Richter Equipment, Markham, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 20:16:52 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Jan 2004 15:16:52 -0500 Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: <20040127132945.B24278-TU2q2He6PgRlD5gtYiU6kEEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> <20040127132945.B24278@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: John Macdonald writes: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 10:48:45AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > Chris Aitken writes: > > > > > Paul Mora wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's a very simple example script to do what you want (I know, I'll > > > > probably be flamed by the scripting experts out there): > > > > > > > > #!/bin/bash > > > > # > > > > # Simple script to stop printing services and unload the parallel > > > > # port module > > > > service cups stop > > > > modprobe -r lp > > > > exit 0 > > > > > > I type all that into vi? > > > > Any text editor, vi is fine. > > > > > Are the #'s remarks or do they represent the command > > > prompt ($ on my rh 7.3 system)? > > > > They are remarks (comments). > > But don't just throw them all away. > > When the script is run by bash, they are treated by > bash as comments. > > However, that first line is not totally a comment - > it can serve a functional purpose too. When the > first line of a text file starts with #! (in column > 1, no leading spaces) the rest of the line can be > used to indicate the program that will interpret > this script (in this case /bin/bash). Yes, I should have mentioned that. Perhaps it's worth pointing out that /bin/sh is the default if the script doesn't begin with #!. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 21:02:22 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> <20040127132945.B24278@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Tim Writer wrote: > John Macdonald writes: > > > > > However, that first line is not totally a comment - > > it can serve a functional purpose too. When the > > first line of a text file starts with #! (in column > > 1, no leading spaces) the rest of the line can be > > used to indicate the program that will interpret > > this script (in this case /bin/bash). > > Yes, I should have mentioned that. Perhaps it's worth pointing out that > /bin/sh is the default if the script doesn't begin with #!. That depends on how it is run. If run from the bash command line, or from another bash script, it will be executed by bash. If run by at or cron (or pdksh), /bin/sh is used. Which in the case of linux, is still bash, but the startup files will not be read (see the INVOCATION section of the man page). -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 21:13:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:13:10 -0500 Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> <20040127132945.B24278@algate.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040127211310.GR2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:02:22PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > That depends on how it is run. > > If run from the bash command line, or from another bash script, it > will be executed by bash. > > If run by at or cron (or pdksh), /bin/sh is used. Which in the > case of linux, is still bash, but the startup files will not be > read (see the INVOCATION section of the man page). /bin/sh MIGHT be bash on Linux. Might as well be ash, dash or some other posix compliant shell. And even when it is bash it doesn't behave like bash, it tries to behave more like plain sh. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 21:54:04 2004 From: edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:54:04 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:20:56 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Wil McGilvery wrote: > >> I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I >> simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little >> speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in >> a headset. > > No it is not. You were very lucky. Depending on circumstances you could > end up with up to 120Vac entering your audio gear (ring voltage). > > Peter > -- In an ordiary handset(phone), line voltage appears at both the speaker and mouthpiece (microphone). They are in parallel and would give the nastiest feedback if the mouthpiece is anywhere near the speaker. The ringing voltage (actually 90vac but still very potent - fatal in some cases. I once got zapped doing what you did.)can be avoided by plugging in the recording device after connecting, but who needs 48vdc on the mic input? Easiest is using an induction pickup which plugs into MIC IN of most recording devices. Radio Shack used to sell one for about $5 - prob $15 now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 21:59:47 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:59:47 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A169A@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Ok! Ok! I get the point. Here is my white flag. My but is sore from all your boots. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org [mailto:edward.chin at sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:20:56 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Wil McGilvery wrote: > >> I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I >> simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little >> speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in >> a headset. > > No it is not. You were very lucky. Depending on circumstances you could > end up with up to 120Vac entering your audio gear (ring voltage). > > Peter > -- In an ordiary handset(phone), line voltage appears at both the speaker and mouthpiece (microphone). They are in parallel and would give the nastiest feedback if the mouthpiece is anywhere near the speaker. The ringing voltage (actually 90vac but still very potent - fatal in some cases. I once got zapped doing what you did.)can be avoided by plugging in the recording device after connecting, but who needs 48vdc on the mic input? Easiest is using an induction pickup which plugs into MIC IN of most recording devices. Radio Shack used to sell one for about $5 - prob $15 now. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 22:04:03 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:04:03 -0600 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A169A-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A169A@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <200401271604.03535.Garth@Webostics.com> Good show Wil, it's now plain to see that you're NOT one of the many TLUG'ers that seem to be a little Holstein on the outside but have absolutely NO PENGUIN whatsoever on the inside. Good job. flap flap flap dive -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 22:16:11 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:16:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: a little script In-Reply-To: <20040127211310.GR2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4015C43F.B6C2ABD1@onlink.net> <1075170903.3332.33.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <4015D5F4.27AFEB0D@onlink.net> <20040127132945.B24278@algate.perlwolf.com> <20040127211310.GR2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 04:02:22PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > That depends on how it is run. > > > > If run from the bash command line, or from another bash script, it > > will be executed by bash. > > > > If run by at or cron (or pdksh), /bin/sh is used. Which in the > > case of linux, is still bash, but the startup files will not be > > read (see the INVOCATION section of the man page). > > /bin/sh MIGHT be bash on Linux. Might as well be ash, dash or some > other posix compliant shell. And even when it is bash it doesn't behave > like bash, it tries to behave more like plain sh. It enters posix mode rather than behave like "plain" sh. There's very little difference in how it behaves after startup files have been read. -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 22:23:30 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:23:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <200401261943.35310.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> Sorry for the delay... New baby's consume many cycles... ;) (even when they are your friends'!) The setup is like this; Master zones are on 209.167.86.46 Slave zones are on 209.167.86.38 and ..34 The IP slice of our public IP block is 209.167.86.32/27 On the registrar for my domain I set the NS to 'ns1.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.46' and 'ns2.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.38' I am currently setting up the 'madisonave.ca' zone and once it is up I have about 15/20 more zones to move. The rest are for my new job so I need to be sure I have the right setup files. Below I will attach a protion of my 'named.conf' and the full zone files for 'madisonave.ca' and 'alteeve.com'. The later is a live domain and will be the second to try migrating. I will also include the relevant portions of the named.conf file from the slave (both slaves are the same). Just before though, do I handle the names 'ns1..' and 'ns2..' the same as any other domain name or do I need to somehow "register" them as name servers? Also, beyond the registrar record pointing at 'ns1..' and 'ns2..' how do I make sure other NSs know where to look for those name servers? I ask because I've noticed some registrars won't let you enter a NS IP anymore, only the FQDN. Thank you very much! The files follow; -= Master '/etc/named.conf' =- # Written/maintained by Madison Kelly, sysadmin-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org # Master DNS config file (FQDN = ns1.alteeve.com @ 209.167.86.46) options { directory "/var/named"; forward only; forwarders { 142.77.2.36 ; }; pid-file "/var/named/named.pid"; }; zone "." in { type hint; file "named.cache"; }; zone "alteeve.com" in { type master; file "db.alteeve.com"; }; zone "madisonave.ca" in { type master; file "db.madisonave.ca"; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" in { type master; file "db.127.0.0"; }; zone "86.167.209.in-addr.arpa" in { type master; file "db.209.167.86.32-27"; }; include "/etc/rndc.key"; -= End '/etc/named.conf' (some zones omitted) =- -= zone file 'db.madisonave.ca' =- $TTL 38400 ; 10 hours 40 minutes @ IN SOA ns1.madisonave.ca. sysadmin.alteeve.com. ( ; IN SOA 2004012302 ; serial 10800 ; refresh (3 hours) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 1d ; expire (1 day) 38400 ; minimum (10 hours 40 minutes) ) IN NS ns1.madisonave.ca. IN NS ns2.madisonave.ca. madisonave.ca. IN MX 10 mail.madisonave.ca. localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 madisonave.ca. IN A 209.167.86.38 ; Aliases www IN CNAME madisonave.ca. ftp IN CNAME madisonave.ca. mail IN CNAME madisonave.ca. forum IN CNAME madisonave.ca. rt IN A 209.167.86.46 ns1.madisonave.ca. IN A 209.167.86.46 ns2.madisonave.ca. IN A 209.167.86.38 -= End zone file 'db.madisonave.ca' =- -= zone file 'db.alteeve.com' =- $TTL 38400 ; 10 hours 40 minutes @ IN SOA ns1.madisonave.ca. sysadmin.alteeve.com. ( ; IN SOA 2004012301 ; serial 10800 ; refresh (3 hours) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 1d ; expire (1 day) 38400 ; minimum (10 hours 40 minutes) ) IN NS ns1.madisonave.ca. IN NS ns2.madisonave.ca. alteeve.com. IN MX 10 mail.alteeve.com. localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 alteeve.com. IN A 209.167.86.38 ; Aliases www IN CNAME alteeve.com. ftp IN CNAME alteeve.com. mail IN CNAME alteeve.com. forum IN CNAME alteeve.com. -= End zone file 'db.madisonave.ca' =- Thanks so much! Madison > On January 26, 2004 06:41 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Can anyone suggest reasons where seemingly good zones files would >> fail to propegate? As always, everyones help is hugely appreciated! > > I've deleted your older emails about this ... what is your domain name and > what are your primary and secondary dns servers? > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 22:57:41 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:57:41 +0200 (IST) Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <4015B058.7010201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4015B058.7010201@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > The ringing current wouldn't normally get to the headset and it's only > 90V 20Hz. > > I have seen other devices that connect via the headset jack. Yes but only on phones that have internal power and/or a separation transformer. The ring voltage appears on one wire from the telco. If any one phone-plug is wired incorrectly then the ring voltage appears on the phone handset jack vs. ground. You can buy a transformer for $2 so why risk your equipment ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 23:22:28 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:22:28 -0500 Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <20040127051030.GA17029-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040126144436.75156.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> <4015A88C.1010307@rogers.com> <20040127014455.GA14479@node1.opengeometry.net> <200401261958.17206.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040127051030.GA17029@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4016F2B4.6070500@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 07:58:17PM -0600, Garth Meisel wrote: > >>< If Samsung says their devices doesn't work with Linux, then they must be >>< right. If yours work, then it may appear to work under certain >>< fortuitous condition. Go with Sony, Panasonic, or Plextor. >> >>Or, you could just admit to yourself that maybe the technical person for >>Samsung is a TWIT and yet another ill informed professional living in their >>own little world. : ) >> >>http://www.understandtech.com/Computer-Department-System-Components-Accessories-Samsung.htm > > > If Samsung says no Linux, then it's no Linux. Why do you feel necessary > to argue with manufacturer about their product? > Their web site implied no CD-RW drives would work, not just Samsung. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 23:46:21 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:46:21 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel-cSwQExXi3C0g59NOP9PCHBGZ6WaZejjh@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> Message-ID: <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 January 2004 17:23, Madison Kelly wrote: > The setup is like this; > Master zones are on 209.167.86.46 > Slave zones are on 209.167.86.38 and ..34 > The IP slice of our public IP block is 209.167.86.32/27 I'd recommend not putting all of your eggs in one basket, both of the dns servers that you're using are relying on a single Internet connection and a single hydro feed (I'm guessing). You should have at least one off-site dns server. I use http://www.backupdns.com/ as my secondary ... they're cheap and fairly reliable. > On the registrar for my domain I set the NS to > 'ns1.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.46' and 'ns2.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.38' For which domain? Neither alteeve.com or madisonave.ca are showing those as their dns servers. > Below I will attach a protion of my 'named.conf' and the full zone files > for 'madisonave.ca' and 'alteeve.com'. The later is a live domain and will > be the second to try migrating. I will also include the relevant portions > of the named.conf file from the slave (both slaves are the same). This could be a problem: fraser-74b65gqZ7FE at public.gmane.org% host -t ns madisonave.ca 142.77.1.1 madisonave.ca NS ns2.alteeve.com !!! madisonave.ca NS host ns2.alteeve.com does not exist madisonave.ca NS ns1.alteeve.com !!! madisonave.ca NS host ns1.alteeve.com does not exist ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com must exist in the alteeve.com zone file (just as A records is fine). > Just before though, do I handle the names 'ns1..' and 'ns2..' the same as > any other domain name or do I need to somehow "register" them as name > servers? Also, beyond the registrar record pointing at 'ns1..' and 'ns2..' > how do I make sure other NSs know where to look for those name servers? I > ask because I've noticed some registrars won't let you enter a NS IP > anymore, only the FQDN. There are times when you have to register nameservers, I don't recall exactly at the momement under what circumstances. I'd assume that if a dns resolver gets a nameserver of "ns1.alteeve.com" handed to it (instead of an IP) that it would just do a regular lookup for that name, perhaps something like this: - query to the .com root servers to find the nameservers for alteeve.com - query one of alteeve.com's nameservers to find address of ns1.alteeeve.com - query ns1.alteeve.com in order to find address in madisonave.ca requested I think that if you get ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com added to your alteeve.com zone then you might fare a little better. > IN NS ns1.madisonave.ca. > IN NS ns2.madisonave.ca. If you want to use nameservers in a .ca domain then I think that is one case where you must register the nameservers. OpenSRS has an option in their interface (for resellers at least) entitled "Add nameserver to all foreign registries". I'm not 100% sure of the technical reason for it but you might need to do it. Right now the problem appears to be that nobody is actually querying your nameserver, dns requests are going to ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com, bring those two nameservers into existence (A records in alteeve.com zone) and your problems might be solved. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 23:41:10 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:41:10 -0600 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <200401271846.21702.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <200401271741.10963.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Tue January 27 2004 5:46 pm, Fraser Campbell said: < I'd recommend not putting all of your eggs in one basket, both of the dns < servers that you're using are relying on a single Internet connection and a < single hydro feed (I'm guessing). You should have at least one off-site dns < server. I use http://www.backupdns.com/ as my secondary ... they're cheap Yep, I'd have to go with that too. In fact, there might even be a couple awesome penguins lurking that would be glad to help so long as it wasn't made 22 public. Guess that's what pm's are for. Great concept though. : ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Jan 27 23:59:02 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:59:02 -0500 Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <4016FB46.2040100@rogers.com> edward.chin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:20:56 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres > wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Wil McGilvery wrote: >> >>> I did not connect to a phone line that is what the phone is for. I >>> simply rerouted the audio. Inside your phone receiver is a little >>> speaker. That was what I was talking about. It's the same as plugging in >>> a headset. >> >> >> No it is not. You were very lucky. Depending on circumstances you could >> end up with up to 120Vac entering your audio gear (ring voltage). >> >> Peter >> -- > > > In an ordiary handset(phone), line voltage appears at both the > speaker and mouthpiece (microphone). They are in parallel and would give > the nastiest feedback if the mouthpiece is anywhere near the speaker. > The ringing voltage (actually 90vac but still very potent - fatal in some > cases. I once got zapped doing what you did.)can be avoided by plugging in > the recording device after connecting, but who needs 48vdc on the mic > input? I guess you've never taken a phone apart. There is a network that connects the handset to the line. It provides DC blocking for the receiver & current limiting to the microphone (for those that still need a power source). Also the mic & receiver are not wired in parallel. Doing so would result in excessive "sidetone" level and echo. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 02:31:38 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <200401271846.21702.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> Hi, Thanks for replying. The domain 'madisonave.ca' -was- pointing to the NS 'ns1|2.alteeve.com' but that was what I wanted to change with the updated zone files. At the time though the zone file's TTL was set to one week but that should have expired by now. The new zone files point to 'ns1|2.madisonave.ca' but the new zones won't propegate. Therein lies the problem... :) Madison > On Tuesday 27 January 2004 17:23, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> The setup is like this; >> Master zones are on 209.167.86.46 >> Slave zones are on 209.167.86.38 and ..34 >> The IP slice of our public IP block is 209.167.86.32/27 > > I'd recommend not putting all of your eggs in one basket, both of the dns > servers that you're using are relying on a single Internet connection and > a > single hydro feed (I'm guessing). You should have at least one off-site > dns > server. I use http://www.backupdns.com/ as my secondary ... they're cheap > and fairly reliable. > >> On the registrar for my domain I set the NS to >> 'ns1.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.46' and 'ns2.madisonave.ca/209.167.86.38' > > For which domain? Neither alteeve.com or madisonave.ca are showing those > as > their dns servers. > >> Below I will attach a protion of my 'named.conf' and the full zone files >> for 'madisonave.ca' and 'alteeve.com'. The later is a live domain and >> will >> be the second to try migrating. I will also include the relevant >> portions >> of the named.conf file from the slave (both slaves are the same). > > This could be a problem: > > fraser-74b65gqZ7FE at public.gmane.org% host -t ns madisonave.ca 142.77.1.1 > madisonave.ca NS ns2.alteeve.com > !!! madisonave.ca NS host ns2.alteeve.com does not exist > madisonave.ca NS ns1.alteeve.com > !!! madisonave.ca NS host ns1.alteeve.com does not exist > > ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com must exist in the alteeve.com zone > file > (just as A records is fine). > >> Just before though, do I handle the names 'ns1..' and 'ns2..' the same >> as >> any other domain name or do I need to somehow "register" them as name >> servers? Also, beyond the registrar record pointing at 'ns1..' and >> 'ns2..' >> how do I make sure other NSs know where to look for those name servers? >> I >> ask because I've noticed some registrars won't let you enter a NS IP >> anymore, only the FQDN. > > There are times when you have to register nameservers, I don't recall > exactly > at the momement under what circumstances. I'd assume that if a dns > resolver > gets a nameserver of "ns1.alteeve.com" handed to it (instead of an IP) > that > it would just do a regular lookup for that name, perhaps something like > this: > > - query to the .com root servers to find the nameservers for alteeve.com > - query one of alteeve.com's nameservers to find address of > ns1.alteeeve.com > - query ns1.alteeve.com in order to find address in madisonave.ca > requested > > I think that if you get ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com added to your > alteeve.com zone then you might fare a little better. > >> IN NS ns1.madisonave.ca. >> IN NS ns2.madisonave.ca. > > If you want to use nameservers in a .ca domain then I think that is one > case > where you must register the nameservers. OpenSRS has an option in their > interface (for resellers at least) entitled "Add nameserver to all foreign > registries". I'm not 100% sure of the technical reason for it but you > might > need to do it. > > Right now the problem appears to be that nobody is actually querying your > nameserver, dns requests are going to ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com, > bring those two nameservers into existence (A records in alteeve.com zone) > and your problems might be solved. > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 02:35:51 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:35:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <200401271741.10963.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> <200401271741.10963.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <35612.64.229.251.79.1075257351.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> I knew that I couldn't host the slave NS in the same building for long and setting up the slaves at a partner company was one option (though they have no admins... well, other than us, but they are at least on another grid and internet feed.) Perhaps once I get my zones up and working someone here would like to back me up in return for the same favour? I'd be happiest knowing it was "a local penguin" watching my slaves... boy that sounds bad! :) Madison > Roughly Tue January 27 2004 5:46 pm, Fraser Campbell said: > > < I'd recommend not putting all of your eggs in one basket, both of the > dns > < servers that you're using are relying on a single Internet connection > and a > < single hydro feed (I'm guessing). You should have at least one off-site > dns < server. I use http://www.backupdns.com/ as my secondary ... > they're > cheap > > Yep, I'd have to go with that too. In fact, there might even be a couple > awesome penguins lurking that would be glad to help so long as it wasn't > made > 22 public. Guess that's what pm's are for. Great concept though. : ) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 03:03:44 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:03:44 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel-cSwQExXi3C0g59NOP9PCHBGZ6WaZejjh@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> Message-ID: <200401272203.45077.fraser@wehave.net> On January 27, 2004 09:31 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > The domain 'madisonave.ca' -was- pointing to the NS 'ns1|2.alteeve.com' > but that was what I wanted to change with the updated zone files. At the > time though the zone file's TTL was set to one week but that should have > expired by now. The new zone files point to 'ns1|2.madisonave.ca' but > the new zones won't propegate. Therein lies the problem... :) Maybe I'm missing something but here's what I see ... - madisonave.ca has dns servers ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com - nameservers ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com do not exist What you put in your zones files is meaningless since for the outside world you have non-existent nameservers. If you bring ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com into existence that might be enough to make things work. If you bring ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com into existence that might be enought to correct your issues. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 06:30:47 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:30:47 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card Message-ID: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> Hello: Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. I used to have an ATI Radeon AGP with 64 megs of RAM. X worked fine. I now had to replace the card with an ATI Radeon 9200 AGP card with 128 megs of video RAM. X crashes, and doesn't know what to do with my card. I recall that there is on most Linux distros a fail-safe, graphical way to configure X. It uses a minimal 16-color X server and what appears to be a graphical interface to select your card, monitor resolution and whatnot. I thought the command for this was XF86Config or XF86Setup. I've tried both commands, and there is no executable with those names. xf86config gets me a pure text interface; and xf86cfg tries to give me a graphical interface, but crashes. I use X11R6 version 4, and prefer to do without framebuffering. Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 06:44:42 2004 From: IlyaPalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:44:42 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <401710C7.11034.6162810-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> Message-ID: <40175A5A.3030606@rogers.com> Paul King wrote: > Hello: > > Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. ... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 11:52:55 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:52:55 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <40175A5A.3030606-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> Message-ID: <40175C47.31838.11F1AC@localhost> Thanks for that, although it doesn't get me the graphical interface. Secondly, doiing a "startx" after dpkg-configure doesn't detect my card, and if it does detect it (as happens under "xf86cfg"), it fails to configure a screen for it. lspci finds an ATI card at 1:0.0, but doing a scanpci says the card is an ATI, but goes no further in offering information on the model. The card works perfectly under M$ Windows 2000. Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 years now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. Paul King > Paul King wrote: > > Hello: > > > > Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. > ... > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 12:53:28 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:53:28 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <40175C47.31838.11F1AC-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> <40175C47.31838.11F1AC@localhost> Message-ID: <200401280753.29078.fraser@wehave.net> On January 28, 2004 06:52 am, Paul King wrote: > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 > years now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. It's quite possible, you might have to upgrade to the X server in testing or unstable. I'm sure you're not the first one to try this, have you googled for solutions? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 13:00:53 2004 From: forolinux-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Martin C) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:00:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Samsung says than CDRWs don't work under GNU/Linux In-Reply-To: <4016F2B4.6070500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4016F2B4.6070500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040128130053.88842.qmail@web14526.mail.yahoo.com> > > If Samsung says no Linux, then it's no Linux. Why > do you feel necessary > > to argue with manufacturer about their product? > > > > Their web site implied no CD-RW drives would work, > not just Samsung. That is true, but it seems our emails have worked, because that *stupid* answer is not anyomore on line. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From JohnWMcGregor-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 13:43:14 2004 From: JohnWMcGregor-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (JohnWMcGregor-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:43:14 -0500 Subject: Reconfiguring X Message-ID: <2F1E85B3.64E92921.C3BB0F48@netscape.net> Here's a workaround that got my Radeon 7500 working on Woody (with a lot of help from a friend). Replace the X11 directory that is on your hard drive with the one that is generated by Knoppix. So far it seems to be working fine, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm a complete Debian newbie and there may be a lot of hidden traps that I haven't yet encountered. John __________________________________________________________________ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 14:32:51 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:32:51 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <200401280753.29078.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40175C47.31838.11F1AC@localhost> Message-ID: <401781C3.16725.A45DA7@localhost> I have gone that route, but have found some "drivers" for X 4.0.1, 4.0.2, and 4.0.3 at the ATI website for this card. Since the files are about 2 megs apeice, I would suspect a server to be in there somewhere. The bummer is, they are RPMs. Couldn't have they at least used .tgz? Guess I'll be using alien for this... Hope it gets me somewhere. Paul King > On January 28, 2004 06:52 am, Paul King wrote: > > > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 > > years now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. > > It's quite possible, you might have to upgrade to the X server in testing or > unstable. I'm sure you're not the first one to try this, have you googled for > solutions? -- Fraser Campbell > http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > Debian GNU/Linux > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 15:03:25 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:03:25 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <401710C7.11034.6162810-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> Message-ID: <20040128150325.GS2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 01:30:47AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. > > I used to have an ATI Radeon AGP with 64 megs of RAM. X worked fine. > > I now had to replace the card with an ATI Radeon 9200 AGP card with 128 megs of > video RAM. X crashes, and doesn't know what to do with my card. > > I recall that there is on most Linux distros a fail-safe, graphical way to > configure X. It uses a minimal 16-color X server and what appears to be a > graphical interface to select your card, monitor resolution and whatnot. I > thought the command for this was XF86Config or XF86Setup. I've tried both > commands, and there is no executable with those names. xf86config gets me a > pure text interface; and xf86cfg tries to give me a graphical interface, but > crashes. > > I use X11R6 version 4, and prefer to do without framebuffering. The Debian Way to configure X is to do this: dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xfree86 And in case it doesn't auto update the XF86Config file, run 'dexconf' to force it to rewrite it from the debconf data. Now it is quite likely that version 4.1 simply doesn't support something as new as a 9200. After checking the XFree86 release notes, I see that 4.2 added the 7500 and 8500, and 4.3 added the 9x00 cards. So there is simply no way it can run the radeon unless you check www.apt-get.org and get a backport of the 4.3 X packages. It's not reasonable to expect new hardware to work on a 2 year old release after all. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 15:04:35 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:04:35 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <40175C47.31838.11F1AC-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> <40175C47.31838.11F1AC@localhost> Message-ID: <20040128150434.GT2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 06:52:55AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Thanks for that, although it doesn't get me the graphical interface. No, XF86Setup was a 3.x X thing, not 4.x. > Secondly, doiing a "startx" after dpkg-configure doesn't detect my card, and if > it does detect it (as happens under "xf86cfg"), it fails to configure a screen > for it. > > lspci finds an ATI card at 1:0.0, but doing a scanpci says the card is an ATI, > but goes no further in offering information on the model. > > The card works perfectly under M$ Windows 2000. > > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 years > now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. It will work fine once you are running version 4.3. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 15:30:29 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:30:29 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <40175C47.31838.11F1AC-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <401710C7.11034.6162810@localhost> <40175C47.31838.11F1AC@localhost> Message-ID: <4017D595.2070208@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Try upgrading to XFree86 4.3 as others have suggested, then make sure your XF86Config-4 file specifies "radeon" rather than "ati" as the driver module for the video card. Debian seems to not detect Radeons properly (even the "unstable" version detects my Radeon 7000 as a ATI Radeon VE and loads "ati" rather than "radeon" module for it). Also, take a look on the ATI website under "drivers". They have special FireGL drivers for Linux for their 9x00 cards. You may also have to get the latest 2.4 kernel to have support for the 4.3 version DRI modules (radeon amongst them). The latest kernel also has added support for AGP devices, although that is probably not the problem in your case. Also, try: # lsmod | grep agp # lsmod | grep radeon to see if the radeon/agp drivers are loaded. Load them if they aren't, then do: # dmesg | grep agp # dmesg | grep radeon if there is a problem with your hardware drivers, there should be an error in there. If you can't figure it out, send the output to the list. Which kernel version are you running? # uname -a Paul King wrote: > Thanks for that, although it doesn't get me the graphical interface. > > Secondly, doiing a "startx" after dpkg-configure doesn't detect my card, and if > it does detect it (as happens under "xf86cfg"), it fails to configure a screen > for it. > > lspci finds an ATI card at 1:0.0, but doing a scanpci says the card is an ATI, > but goes no further in offering information on the model. > > The card works perfectly under M$ Windows 2000. > > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 years > now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. > > Paul King > > >>Paul King wrote: >> >>>Hello: >>> >>>Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. >> >>... >>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 >> - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAF9WbRreNkzrRRLQRAhknAKCGkt1hZxLrmrltwgObmtb4dVkU8wCglYCb Cxt2WfEZCTv785akVp6/3cU= =n6oN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 15:40:39 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:40:39 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <200401272203.45077.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401272203.45077.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <4017D7F7.70107@alteeve.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On January 27, 2004 09:31 pm, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >> The domain 'madisonave.ca' -was- pointing to the NS 'ns1|2.alteeve.com' >>but that was what I wanted to change with the updated zone files. At the >>time though the zone file's TTL was set to one week but that should have >>expired by now. The new zone files point to 'ns1|2.madisonave.ca' but >>the new zones won't propegate. Therein lies the problem... :) > > > Maybe I'm missing something but here's what I see ... > > - madisonave.ca has dns servers ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com > - nameservers ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com do not exist > > What you put in your zones files is meaningless since for the outside world > you have non-existent nameservers. If you bring ns1.alteeve.com and > ns2.alteeve.com into existence that might be enough to make things work. If > you bring ns1.alteeve.com and ns2.alteeve.com into existence that might be > enought to correct your issues. Oh darn, I saw that when I changed the Registrar records that it changed the default NS to be applied to -future- domains. I had to take one more step to apply it to -existing- domain. That is fixed but still no resolution. Here is what I am getting; Nameservers of the test workstation; 142.77.1.5, 142.77.2.36 Output from test workstation (my home box) outside the server's network. [root-rsR6PDGiyyg at public.gmane.org madison]# dig madisonave.ca ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2-P3 <<>> madisonave.ca ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 20984 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;madisonave.ca. IN A ;; Query time: 86 msec ;; SERVER: 142.77.2.36#53(142.77.2.36) ;; WHEN: Wed Jan 28 10:24:28 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31 [root-rsR6PDGiyyg at public.gmane.org madison]# whois madisonave.ca [Querying whois.cira.ca] [whois.cira.ca] Status: EXIST Registrar: Internic.ca Corp. Registrar-no: 29 Registrant-no: 874462 Domaine-no: 874462 Subdomain: madisonave.ca Renewal-Date: 2005/12/15 Date-Approved: 2003/12/15 Date-Modified: 2004/01/28 Organization: Kelly Madison Description: Individual Admin-Name: Madison Kelly Admin-Title: Admin-Postal: Kelly Madison 101 Ponymeadow Terrace Toronto ON M1C 4J6 Canada Admin-Phone: 4192080146 Admin-Fax: 4164445136 Admin-Mailbox: i-188824dvxh-Gvgzg/abz7HgD2otRqL4qS/Y4qc9gO6C at public.gmane.org Tech-Name: Madison Kelly Tech-Title: Tech-Postal: Kelly Madison 101 Ponymeadow Terrace Toronto ON M1C 4J6 Canada Tech-Phone: 4192080146 Tech-Fax: 4164445136 Tech-Mailbox: i-188824dvxh-Gvgzg/abz7HgD2otRqL4qS/Y4qc9gO6C at public.gmane.org NS1-Hostname: ns1.madisonave.ca NS1-Netaddress: 209.167.86.46 NS2-Hostname: ns2.madisonave.ca NS2-Netaddress: 209.167.86.38 So, the NS are now pointing to the proper locations (ns1|2.madisonave.ca) which are themselves in the Madisonave.ca zone. The changes have been in effect since just before 8am... I am not sure how long it takes to get the root servers or whatever to figure out where to point things to. Thanks for the ever continuing help! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 16:03:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:03:10 -0500 Subject: Reconfiguring X In-Reply-To: <2F1E85B3.64E92921.C3BB0F48-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <2F1E85B3.64E92921.C3BB0F48@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20040128160309.GU2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 08:43:14AM -0500, JohnWMcGregor-VsqqI1RANlHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org wrote: > Here's a workaround that got my Radeon 7500 working on Woody (with a lot of help from a friend). Replace the X11 directory that is on your hard drive with the one that is generated by Knoppix. So far it seems to be working fine, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm a complete Debian newbie and there may be a lot of hidden traps that I haven't yet encountered. A security update can blow away all your changes anytime. Getting a backport of a newer X version is much more reliable and much more correct. Use the package system, don't fight it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 16:58:53 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 28 Jan 2004 11:58:53 -0500 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... Message-ID: Righteous indignation or ??? So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows centric web designers? I know that I have issues with it from the 'I have to deal with what they produce after they are gone' point of view. Also, it's always fun asking for a template of the site that just uses Server Side Includes for the first pass. -------------- next part -------------- Subject: Topics Topics: How NOT to build an open source site... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Address withheld to protect the ranter Subject: How NOT to build an open source site... Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:03:44 -0600 Size: 1387 URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 17:10:01 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: 28 Jan 2004 12:10:01 -0500 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075309801.7370.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 11:58, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Righteous indignation or ??? > > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows centric > web designers? Well, it's certainly annoying listening to them whine about having to deal with *nix permission issues, the back & forward slash thing, stripping linefeeds etc., etc. :-) But even Wincentric pro's don't use Frontpage... But hey, if they're not hiring me, it's evil :-) Rob > > > ______________________________________________________________________ -- Cheapersafer Computer Support We Help - http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 17:11:44 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:11:44 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card Message-ID: <20040128171144.LFA20454.tomts35-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> > > From: Anton Markov > Date: 2004/01/28 Wed AM 10:30:29 EST > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Try upgrading to XFree86 4.3 as others have suggested, then make sure > your XF86Config-4 file specifies "radeon" rather than "ati" as the > driver module for the video card. Debian seems to not detect Radeons > properly (even the "unstable" version detects my Radeon 7000 as a ATI > Radeon VE and loads "ati" rather than "radeon" module for it). Also, > take a look on the ATI website under "drivers". They have special > FireGL drivers for Linux for their 9x00 cards. > DOne that. Thanks. I am currently downloading the debs for the 4.3.0 packages in X > You may also have to get the latest 2.4 kernel to have support for the > 4.3 version DRI modules (radeon amongst them). The latest kernel also > has added support for AGP devices, although that is probably not the > problem in your case. > > Also, try: > > # lsmod | grep agp > # lsmod | grep radeon I don't see any of these running. But that is probably because X is not running. I know that agpart.o usually runs. I also have a module for radeon (radeon.o), which *I think* runs. > > to see if the radeon/agp drivers are loaded. Load them if they aren't, > then do: > > # dmesg | grep agp > # dmesg | grep radeon > I get: bash (54) $ dmesg | grep radeon [drm] Initialized radeon 1.1.1 20010405 on minor 0 > if there is a problem with your hardware drivers, there should be an > error in there. If you can't figure it out, send the output to the list. > > Which kernel version are you running? > > # uname -a > > Version 2.4.18-k7 - That's the Debian stock kernel for the AMD K7 processor. Attempts to compile a 2.6 kernel were met with failures in X coming up, even with my old Radeon card. I also get no printer and no network, no sound, no nothing even with using compilation settings I have been accustomed to using for years in "make xconfig". In addition, the number of modules that are loaded under 2.6 is extremely low. Therefore, I still have to boot into 2.4. Paul King > > Paul King wrote: > > Thanks for that, although it doesn't get me the graphical interface. > > > > Secondly, doiing a "startx" after dpkg-configure doesn't detect my card, and if > > it does detect it (as happens under "xf86cfg"), it fails to configure a screen > > for it. > > > > lspci finds an ATI card at 1:0.0, but doing a scanpci says the card is an ATI, > > but goes no further in offering information on the model. > > > > The card works perfectly under M$ Windows 2000. > > > > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 years > > now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. > > > > Paul King > > > > > >>Paul King wrote: > >> > >>>Hello: > >>> > >>>Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian 3. > >> > >>... > >>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > >> > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAF9WbRreNkzrRRLQRAhknAKCGkt1hZxLrmrltwgObmtb4dVkU8wCglYCb > Cxt2WfEZCTv785akVp6/3cU= > =n6oN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 18:34:35 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:34:35 -0500 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401800BB.6080204@rogers.com> > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows centric > web designers? Has anyone emailed these folks to tell them they're jackasses? -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 18:48:12 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:48:12 -0500 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: <401800BB.6080204-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <401800BB.6080204@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200401281348.12155.fraser@wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 January 2004 13:34, Byron Sonne wrote: > > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows > > centric web designers? > > Has anyone emailed these folks to tell them they're jackasses? A simple mistake, at least they're running Linux on their server. They may have good intentions. I be willing to bet that If they add the following line to their apache config that all will be well: AddType text/html .shtml Their pages rendered fine for me once saved to local disk. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 19:17:40 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:17:40 -0500 Subject: Solved!! was: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040128133654.02d62e30-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040128133654.02d62e30@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <40180AD4.4050606@alteeve.com> Hi Kevin (and everyone else), and thanks for the help!! It turns out I had indeed fixed all the problems except my own patience. It just took a little bit for the '.ca' root name servers to pick up the changes I made in my Registrar's files. It would seem all is well, now! I did shorten the TTL after my first mistake (and then having to wait a full week; grrr!). Now the TTL on my zone(s) is 24h. The slaves are setup as, well, slaves :) and are working properly (so far as I can tell). Now I just need to start adding the rest of the zone files and then start changing all the Registrar records. Thank you (all!) again, I would be lost without you all!! Madison Kevin Cozens wrote: > As of my typing this message, a lookup on madisonave.ca (using the > default name servers of my connection to Rogers) gives me your .38 > address and the information that www.madisonave.ca is an alias. Looks > like it is ok to me. A lookup on alteeve.com also works but does not > list an alias. > > If you have other zones to transfer, you should shorten their default > TTL values and update the serial numbers in the zone records now. That > way, when you are ready to transfer the other 20 or so domains, the > updates will take effect sooner. > > The named.conf file you listed is from the master (ns1) machine? If you > want the ns1 machine to do zone transfers to ns2 from time to time (when > you change the information on ns1), the named.conf file on ns2 should be > marked as a slave IIRC. > > > Cheers! > > Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) > > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" > #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 18:52:39 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:52:39 -0500 Subject: DNS, redux In-Reply-To: <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets .com> References: <4015A5A4.7050006@alteeve.com> <200401261943.35310.fraser@wehave.net> <34874.64.229.251.79.1075242210.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <200401271846.21702.fraser@wehave.net> <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets.com> <35532.64.229.251.79.1075257098.squirrel@host.bettermarkets .com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040128133654.02d62e30@mail.interlog.com> At 09:31 PM 01/27/2004, Madison wrote: > The domain 'madisonave.ca' -was- pointing to the NS 'ns1|2.alteeve.com' >but that was what I wanted to change with the updated zone files. At the >time though the zone file's TTL was set to one week but that should have >expired by now. The new zone files point to 'ns1|2.madisonave.ca' but >the new zones won't propegate. Therein lies the problem... :) As of my typing this message, a lookup on madisonave.ca (using the default name servers of my connection to Rogers) gives me your .38 address and the information that www.madisonave.ca is an alias. Looks like it is ok to me. A lookup on alteeve.com also works but does not list an alias. If you have other zones to transfer, you should shorten their default TTL values and update the serial numbers in the zone records now. That way, when you are ready to transfer the other 20 or so domains, the updates will take effect sooner. The named.conf file you listed is from the master (ns1) machine? If you want the ns1 machine to do zone transfers to ns2 from time to time (when you change the information on ns1), the named.conf file on ns2 should be marked as a slave IIRC. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 19:56:20 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:56:20 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <20040128171144.LFA20454.tomts35-srv.bellnexxia.net-dxTHOwpelHWiNGDy/dcMHtHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040128171144.LFA20454.tomts35-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <4017CD94.3129.101188@localhost> I tried to install the debs for the new x server. However, Debian really doesn't like it when you do that. I got a *lot* of packages it wanted to uninstall, which I created a script to reinstall again. It would only reinstall the stuff if I first got rid of the new X server. So I was back to square one. That is, I am relieved to report that I had gotten nowhere rather than backwards. Great. Now, Lennart said something about going to www.apt-get.org to download some kind of animal called a "back port". It sounds like an attempt to shoehorn the compatabilities in 4.3 into 4.1. Getting 4.3 is a non-starter, since Debian won't allow it, won't configure it without downloading a bunch of other upgrades such as a later version of libc6 than the one I have. It won't find those packages anyway. If I can add things to 4.1 to make it recognise my card like 4.3 does, then so much the better. AFAIK, my Debian is current to release 2, and there doesn't seem that there is any way to tell apt-get about the unstable distribution, nor of any intention to upgrade to unstable (I thought all you needed to do was edit sources.list). apt-get update sees the unstable directories added, yet won't recognise it when I tell it to install 4.3. dselect would be nice to use if I could get the 4.3 server listed in its database somehow. It seems to automatically add anything I need to support a package by selecting just the one package. Paul King > > > > > From: Anton Markov > > Date: 2004/01/28 Wed AM 10:30:29 EST > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Try upgrading to XFree86 4.3 as others have suggested, then make sure > > your XF86Config-4 file specifies "radeon" rather than "ati" as the > > driver module for the video card. Debian seems to not detect Radeons > > properly (even the "unstable" version detects my Radeon 7000 as a ATI > > Radeon VE and loads "ati" rather than "radeon" module for it). Also, > > take a look on the ATI website under "drivers". They have special > > FireGL drivers for Linux for their 9x00 cards. > > > > DOne that. Thanks. I am currently downloading the debs for the 4.3.0 packages in > X > > > You may also have to get the latest 2.4 kernel to have support for the > > 4.3 version DRI modules (radeon amongst them). The latest kernel also > > has added support for AGP devices, although that is probably not the > > problem in your case. > > > > Also, try: > > > > # lsmod | grep agp > > # lsmod | grep radeon > > I don't see any of these running. But that is probably because X is not running. > I know that agpart.o usually runs. I also have a module for radeon (radeon.o), > which *I think* runs. > > > > > to see if the radeon/agp drivers are loaded. Load them if they aren't, > > then do: > > > > # dmesg | grep agp > > # dmesg | grep radeon > > > > I get: > > bash (54) $ dmesg | grep radeon > [drm] Initialized radeon 1.1.1 20010405 on minor 0 > > > > if there is a problem with your hardware drivers, there should be an > > error in there. If you can't figure it out, send the output to the list. > > > > Which kernel version are you running? > > > > # uname -a > > > > > Version 2.4.18-k7 - That's the Debian stock kernel for the AMD K7 processor. > > Attempts to compile a 2.6 kernel were met with failures in X coming up, even > with my old Radeon card. I also get no printer and no network, no sound, no > nothing even with using compilation settings I have been accustomed to using for > years in "make xconfig". In addition, the number of modules that are loaded > under 2.6 is extremely low. Therefore, I still have to boot into 2.4. > > Paul King > > > > > Paul King wrote: > > > Thanks for that, although it doesn't get me the graphical interface. > > > > > > Secondly, doiing a "startx" after dpkg-configure doesn't detect my card, and > > > if it does detect it (as happens under "xf86cfg"), it fails to configure a > > > screen for it. > > > > > > lspci finds an ATI card at 1:0.0, but doing a scanpci says the card is an > > > ATI, but goes no further in offering information on the model. > > > > > > The card works perfectly under M$ Windows 2000. > > > > > > Any suggestions? Is the card too new? (the model has been out for about 2 > > > years now). It is a Radeon 9200 AGP card, with 128 MB RAM. > > > > > > Paul King > > > > > > > > >>Paul King wrote: > > >> > > >>>Hello: > > >>> > > >>>Just wondered what suggestions people have for reconfiguring X under Debian > > >>>3. > > >> > > >>... > > >>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > >> > > > > - -- > > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFAF9WbRreNkzrRRLQRAhknAKCGkt1hZxLrmrltwgObmtb4dVkU8wCglYCb > > Cxt2WfEZCTv785akVp6/3cU= > > =n6oN > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 19:57:30 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:57:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Righteous indignation or ??? > > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows centric > web designers? > > I know that I have issues with it from the 'I have to deal with what they > produce after they are gone' point of view. Also, it's always fun asking for > a template of the site that just uses Server Side Includes for the first > pass. The problem seems to be with the server, as the pages are fine when viewed as files locally, or when placed on another webserver: The original page was called linuxrevolution.net, which might have been part of the problem, but another page, , also shows up as text on their site, but fine elsewhere: . -- Chris F.A. Johnson ================================================================= cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org http://cfaj.freeshell.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 20:08:22 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:08:22 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <4017CD94.3129.101188-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040128171144.LFA20454.tomts35-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <4017CD94.3129.101188@localhost> Message-ID: <20040128200821.GV2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > I tried to install the debs for the new x server. However, Debian really > doesn't like it when you do that. I got a *lot* of packages it wanted to > uninstall, which I created a script to reinstall again. It would only reinstall > the stuff if I first got rid of the new X server. So I was back to square one. > That is, I am relieved to report that I had gotten nowhere rather than > backwards. > > Great. Now, Lennart said something about going to www.apt-get.org to download > some kind of animal called a "back port". It sounds like an attempt to shoehorn > the compatabilities in 4.3 into 4.1. Getting 4.3 is a non-starter, since Debian > won't allow it, won't configure it without downloading a bunch of other > upgrades such as a later version of libc6 than the one I have. It won't find > those packages anyway. If I can add things to 4.1 to make it recognise my card > like 4.3 does, then so much the better. Well a back port is simply taking the source of a package in a newer debian release, and changing whatever is needed to make it work with an older debian, and then recompiling it. This among other things makes it be compiled with glibc 2.2 rather than 2.3 (which testing and unstable use). You can't just install packages from testing or unstable on stable as you have probably discovered since most things need a newer libc version. The backport WILL give you 4.3 with proper dependancies for woody (along with the minimal set of packages that have to be upgraded to support the new X version). > AFAIK, my Debian is current to release 2, and there doesn't seem that there is > any way to tell apt-get about the unstable distribution, nor of any intention > to upgrade to unstable (I thought all you needed to do was edit sources.list). > apt-get update sees the unstable directories added, yet won't recognise it when > I tell it to install 4.3. Unstable has 4.2.1 not 4.3. experimental has 4.3 (not apt-get'able). Perhaps this one will do: deb ftp://linux.upsa.es/pub/XFREE4.3/ ./ I found that on www.apt-get.org by searching for xfree86 packages for i386. Note that these will probably NOT work on testing or unstable, so make sure you did not upgrade the system after running apt-get update with unstable in your sources.list > dselect would be nice to use if I could get the 4.3 server listed in its > database somehow. It seems to automatically add anything I need to support a > package by selecting just the one package. You can if you add one of the repositories that have 4.3 to your sources.list, which none of the official repositories have since no version of debian includes any version of X higher than 4.2.1. I run debian unstable on my desktop and I only have 4.2.1, which works fine on my TNT2 of course (although the nvidia-glx 5328 driver probably would support just about any nvidia card). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 19:04:57 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:04:57 +0200 (IST) Subject: unusual telephony request - recording voice mail In-Reply-To: <4016FB46.2040100-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A1691@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <4016FB46.2040100@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, James Knott wrote: > I guess you've never taken a phone apart. There is a network that > connects the handset to the line. It provides DC blocking for the > receiver & current limiting to the microphone (for those that still need > a power source). Also the mic & receiver are not wired in parallel. > Doing so would result in excessive "sidetone" level and echo. I work with telco equipment often enough (PBX etc). *Inside* it, not operating switches. What he did aint right. The network you are talking about only limits the available current. Transformers are very seldomly used in inexpensive unpowered phones. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 21:44:14 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:44:14 -0500 Subject: backpack Message-ID: <40182D2E.6AA71220@onlink.net> I hope I'm not wearing out my welcome with this post. I'm having trouble with my backpack under W98 on my dual-boot rh7.3/W98 SE system. I wouldn't even use W98 were it not for CD burning and Pro Tools Free multi-track recording software. I haven't figured out how to burn CDs in linux yet. I guess I've got three options: 1. Forget W98 and get the backpack (model 222010, 48X 24X 48X external CD-REWRITER) to work under linux (it's not listed as supporting linux; also means I'll have to start copying saved data from Pro Tools Free to a drive that linux can see so I can save music data to CD). 2. Try to get the backpack to work under the W98 VMware vm, or 3. Get it to work again under W98 SE. The W98 options have two sub-options: a) LPT b) USB SpeedyCD is giving me the error: Backpack rewriter not detected. I see in Device Mgr that there is 'Unknown Device' under 'USB", along with 2 'USB Root Hub's and 2 'ViaTech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller's. Removing and letting Hardware detection detect the hardware just finds the same deivice, asks for the W98 media, I pop it in, tells me it's fond a device driver that will probably be ok or some such, but it still is not detected in Device Mgr or SpeedyCD. The Duron 800 custom (as in 'no-name', not 'souped up') PC freezes and Ctrl+Alt+Del reveals that there is 'no response' from msgsrv32, to which I End Task. Tried physically uninstalling, reinstalling software and driver and hardware to USB, then LPT. Just makes you want to have a shower ond scrub hard, eh? I guess the first thing I do before I get crazy and reinstall Windows 98, is find out if the hardware has failed - not sure how to do that. It will still be under warranty - I bought it last Thanksgiving. Sorry for all the Windows stuff. I guess I'm just hoping that someone has a quick fix so I can finish burning these CDs, then maybe pursue a more linuxy solution (linux or VMware vm). Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 21:57:46 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:57:46 -0500 Subject: backpack In-Reply-To: <40182D2E.6AA71220-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40182D2E.6AA71220@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040128165746.18b63ce4.jmyshrall@golden.net> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:44:14 -0500 Chris Aitken wrote: > I hope I'm not wearing out my welcome with this post. > > I'm having trouble with my backpack under W98 on my dual-boot > rh7.3/W98 SE system. > > I wouldn't even use W98 were it not for CD burning and Pro Tools Free > multi-track recording software. I haven't figured out how to burn CDs > in linux yet. Xcdroast and K3b are quite and easy to use. I don't know about the multi track recording though. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 22:29:20 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:29:20 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <20040128200821.GV2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4017CD94.3129.101188@localhost> Message-ID: <4017F170.8903.21832C@localhost> Well, I downloaded and configured most of the packages and dependencies. Then came the X server. I was not given the option to configure radeon as the chipset (I could only get ati), and dpkg-reconfigure would not write the new configuration to /etc/X11/XF86Config. So I ran it with the original configuration I intended for the card, with "radeon" as the driver in the Screens section. It crashed with the error "no screens found". I looked at the X11 error log under /var/log, and I saw 4 sub-versions of my card listed in the informational part of the debug output. There was two warnings and one error message. One warning was X complaining about APM failing (I don't use APM on a PC), and the other was about the Cyrillic font not being found. Just about everything after that was informational, except the last status message, an error saying "No devices detected". This is with agpgart and radeon modules loaded. Paul King > On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > I tried to install the debs for the new x server. However, Debian really > > doesn't like it when you do that. I got a *lot* of packages it wanted to > > uninstall, which I created a script to reinstall again. It would only > > reinstall the stuff if I first got rid of the new X server. So I was back to > > square one. That is, I am relieved to report that I had gotten nowhere rather > > than backwards. > > > > Great. Now, Lennart said something about going to www.apt-get.org to download > > some kind of animal called a "back port". It sounds like an attempt to > > shoehorn the compatabilities in 4.3 into 4.1. Getting 4.3 is a non-starter, > > since Debian won't allow it, won't configure it without downloading a bunch of > > other upgrades such as a later version of libc6 than the one I have. It won't > > find those packages anyway. If I can add things to 4.1 to make it recognise my > > card like 4.3 does, then so much the better. > > Well a back port is simply taking the source of a package in a newer > debian release, and changing whatever is needed to make it work with an > older debian, and then recompiling it. This among other things makes it > be compiled with glibc 2.2 rather than 2.3 (which testing and unstable > use). You can't just install packages from testing or unstable on > stable as you have probably discovered since most things need a newer > libc version. The backport WILL give you 4.3 with proper dependancies > for woody (along with the minimal set of packages that have to be > upgraded to support the new X version). > > > AFAIK, my Debian is current to release 2, and there doesn't seem that there is > > any way to tell apt-get about the unstable distribution, nor of any intention > > to upgrade to unstable (I thought all you needed to do was edit sources.list). > > apt-get update sees the unstable directories added, yet won't recognise it > > when I tell it to install 4.3. > > Unstable has 4.2.1 not 4.3. experimental has 4.3 (not apt-get'able). > > Perhaps this one will do: > deb ftp://linux.upsa.es/pub/XFREE4.3/ ./ > > I found that on www.apt-get.org by searching for xfree86 packages for > i386. > > Note that these will probably NOT work on testing or unstable, so make > sure you did not upgrade the system after running apt-get update with > unstable in your sources.list > > > dselect would be nice to use if I could get the 4.3 server listed in its > > database somehow. It seems to automatically add anything I need to support a > > package by selecting just the one package. > > You can if you add one of the repositories that have 4.3 to your > sources.list, which none of the official repositories have since no > version of debian includes any version of X higher than 4.2.1. I run > debian unstable on my desktop and I only have 4.2.1, which works fine on > my TNT2 of course (although the nvidia-glx 5328 driver probably would > support just about any nvidia card). > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 22:51:32 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:51:32 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <4017F170.8903.21832C-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <4017CD94.3129.101188@localhost> <4017F170.8903.21832C@localhost> Message-ID: <20040128225132.GW2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 05:29:20PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > Well, I downloaded and configured most of the packages and dependencies. Then > came the X server. I was not given the option to configure radeon as the > chipset (I could only get ati), and dpkg-reconfigure would not write the new > configuration to /etc/X11/XF86Config. So I ran it with the original > configuration I intended for the card, with "radeon" as the driver in the > Screens section. > > It crashed with the error "no screens found". I looked at the X11 error log > under /var/log, and I saw 4 sub-versions of my card listed in the informational > part of the debug output. > > There was two warnings and one error message. One warning was X complaining > about APM failing (I don't use APM on a PC), and the other was about the > Cyrillic font not being found. > > Just about everything after that was informational, except the last status > message, an error saying "No devices detected". This is with agpgart and radeon > modules loaded. If it doesn't list radeon as an option, just pick ati, then edit the resulting XF86Config-4 file and change ati to radeon. This is assuming you are using xserver-xfree86 version 4.3 Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 22:55:16 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:55:16 -0500 Subject: backpack In-Reply-To: <40182D2E.6AA71220-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40182D2E.6AA71220@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040128225516.GX2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 04:44:14PM -0500, Chris Aitken wrote: > I hope I'm not wearing out my welcome with this post. > > I'm having trouble with my backpack under W98 on my dual-boot rh7.3/W98 > SE system. > > I wouldn't even use W98 were it not for CD burning and Pro Tools Free > multi-track recording software. I haven't figured out how to burn CDs in > linux yet. > > I guess I've got three options: > > 1. Forget W98 and get the backpack (model 222010, 48X 24X 48X external > CD-REWRITER) to work under linux (it's not listed as supporting linux; > also means I'll have to start copying saved data from Pro Tools Free to > a drive that linux can see so I can save music data to CD). > > 2. Try to get the backpack to work under the W98 VMware vm, or > > 3. Get it to work again under W98 SE. > > The W98 options have two sub-options: > > a) LPT > b) USB > > > SpeedyCD is giving me the error: > Backpack rewriter not detected. > > I see in Device Mgr that there is 'Unknown Device' under 'USB", along > with 2 'USB Root Hub's and 2 'ViaTech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host > Controller's. Removing and letting Hardware detection detect the > hardware just finds the same deivice, asks for the W98 media, I pop it > in, tells me it's fond a device driver that will probably be ok or some > such, but it still is not detected in Device Mgr or SpeedyCD. > > The Duron 800 custom (as in 'no-name', not 'souped up') PC freezes and > Ctrl+Alt+Del reveals that there is 'no response' from msgsrv32, to which > I End Task. > > Tried physically uninstalling, reinstalling software and driver and > hardware to USB, then LPT. > > Just makes you want to have a shower ond scrub hard, eh? > > I guess the first thing I do before I get crazy and reinstall Windows > 98, is find out if the hardware has failed - not sure how to do that. It > will still be under warranty - I bought it last Thanksgiving. > > Sorry for all the Windows stuff. I guess I'm just hoping that someone > has a quick fix so I can finish burning these CDs, then maybe pursue a > more linuxy solution (linux or VMware vm). Well you could try loading usb-storage module in linux and see if that detects the cdwriter. If it does then you should be able to use it like any other scsi cdwriter in linux. I suspect on parallel port linux would need the appropriate parallel ide driver loaded (it has some driver for backpack drives) and I think it has a generic scsi interface to the parallel port drives too, so it might even work that way, although USB is probably better. On debian I find the 'hotplug' package handy for detecting and loading the right driver for usb devices when they are plugged in. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Jan 28 23:24:01 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:24:01 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <20040128225132.GW2384-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4017F170.8903.21832C@localhost> Message-ID: <4017FE41.22147.545C0@localhost> > If it doesn't list radeon as an option, just pick ati, then edit the > resulting XF86Config-4 file and change ati to radeon. This is assuming > you are using xserver-xfree86 version 4.3 I did that already (sorry if that wasn't clear in the above paragraph). The exact version of Xfree I was given to select according to dselect was xserver-xfree86-dbg. It wasn't exactly what I wanted, but that is probably the problem. Paul King > > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 00:32:29 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:32:29 -0500 Subject: Debian: Reconfiguring X to new video card In-Reply-To: <4017FE41.22147.545C0-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040128225132.GW2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40180E4D.10262.248344@localhost> xserver-xfree86-dbg was a debug package. Removed the package, and that left the "ordinary" xserver-xfree86 4.3. I have to load the agpgart and radeon modules manually with modprobe, and once that is done, I still get "No screens found". Yes, the XF86Config-4 file was modified to "radeon". Paul King > > If it doesn't list radeon as an option, just pick ati, then edit the > > resulting XF86Config-4 file and change ati to radeon. This is assuming > > you are using xserver-xfree86 version 4.3 > > I did that already (sorry if that wasn't clear in the above paragraph). The > exact version of Xfree I was given to select according to dselect was > xserver-xfree86-dbg. It wasn't exactly what I wanted, but that is probably the > problem. > > Paul King > > > > > Lennart Sorensen > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > ========================================================= > Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 02:58:23 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:58:23 -0500 Subject: backpack In-Reply-To: <40182D2E.6AA71220-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <40182D2E.6AA71220@onlink.net> Message-ID: <401876CF.8010807@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, Under Redhat7.3, if you just plug in the CD-RW and then let the "kudzu" hardware detection utility run (either type "kudzu" when logged in as root, or reboot), it should detect and configure the writer. I have seen CD-RW drives work under RH7.3 with this plug'n'play method. The disk will probably use scsi emulation. You can check if it worked by putting in a normal (already recorded) CD and doing: # mount /dev/sr0 -t iso9660 /mnt or maybe /dev/sr1 if you already have a CD drive in your computer (do all this as root). Or just insert a CD and let KDE or GNOME auto-load it. If it fails, send us the output, and also do: # lsusb | less and see if the output lists the CD drive. In any case, do: # cdrecord -scanbus to see if your device is being detected. Tell us what you get, and any error messages you may encounter. > I hope I'm not wearing out my welcome with this post. Not at all > I'm having trouble with my backpack under W98 on my dual-boot rh7.3/W98 > SE system. > > I wouldn't even use W98 were it not for CD burning and Pro Tools Free > multi-track recording software. I haven't figured out how to burn CDs in > linux yet. There was a discussion on this list about Pro Tools a while ago. Anyone remember the subject line / link to archive? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFAGHbVRreNkzrRRLQRAv1dAJiPJpixNISBeOpW2l0m58iKmUxrAKCJsn4l siS1k1Vez5506VW46NkGhQ== =ro7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 04:50:45 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:50:45 -0500 Subject: Microsoft -- Get the facts on Windows and Linux In-Reply-To: <200401251526.08915.mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4012AB29.1080202@muskokatech.ca> <40127567.21212.13E2EF@localhost> <200401251526.08915.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: <20040128235045.761b8cd3.hgibson@eol.ca> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:26:05 -0500 "Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Ah, it seems I can't pass this one up without saying something. > > On January 24, 2004 01:38 pm, Rick Tomaschuk wrote: > > Microsoft is pushing cost advantages of Windows over Linux. > > I guess when you have a monopoly the costs can be cheaper for > > some... > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/analyses.asp > > As a great followup to this, I really enjoyed Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols' > column for Eweek titled "Get the FUD". It takes each of the points and > stories on the Microsoft "Get the Facts" page and disects them one by one. > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1426514,00.asp Marcel, I read the article and I throughly enjoyed the advertisment. http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/GetFUD.gif -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 14:41:36 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:41:36 -0500 Subject: Latest Evil Spam... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401290941.36757.fraser@wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 January 2004 10:30, Lloyd Budd wrote: > Hi Fraser , sounds like you need to make a fone call: > > (flash required, heavy use of the f-word) That was hilarious. I must admit I've come close to being that pissed of about spam/viruses a few times. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 15:00:07 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:00:07 -0500 Subject: [NTL] [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401291000.07564.fraser@wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 January 2004 11:58, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows > centric web designers? I'd say that if you manage to find a truly innovative web designer then go with that person regardless of what they use. > I know that I have issues with it from the 'I have to deal with what they > produce after they are gone' point of view. Also, it's always fun asking > for a template of the site that just uses Server Side Includes for the > first pass. I don't think there are many innovative web designers out there, do you really need a web designer ... especially if you're just looking for a template? The most thrilling thing in web design these days seems to be replacing tables with css to make your site look exactly the same as it did before. Most sites I see are just cookie cutter, 2 columns with a top menu and a side menu. Some really special sites (http://www.cbc.ca/) might use 3 columns or even 4. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 15:47:50 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:47:50 -0500 Subject: strange problem removing files Message-ID: Hello All, I'm a bit confused on error message I get trying to remove files on a second hard-drive (a windows partition mounted on linux) and just thought I'd check to see if anyone had any suggestions or in case I'm missing something obvious. I am getting the following error: rm: cannot remove `apsi0814_100_100.fmt': Read-only file system The strange thing is through that: 1. in /etc/fstab the disk (/windows) is mounted rw: /dev/hdb1 /windows vfat rw,noauto,dev,exec,async,uni_xlate,suid,user,nonumtail,uid=25732 2. the files have me as user and permissions set to rw. Permissions on the directories are all rwx 3. These files had just been written to the disk yesterday and I had been able to delete some other files that had been written at the same time. Earlier this morning the /hdb partition did fill up to 100% capacity and the files I've been storing there are unusually large. I don't know if that could have caused a problem? Or maybe I'm just missing something obvious? Alex ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 15:47:20 2004 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:47:20 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application Message-ID: Hey, I'm about to set up my ATI Radeon all in wonder card to be able to watch tv on my RedHat 9.0 machine. I am wondering what software I should use and how to get it working. Does anyone have experice on that subject. What works what doesn. I'm not sure where to get started. Martin _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 15:55:17 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:55:17 -0500 Subject: strange problem removing files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try remounting it again as root: mount -o remount,rw /windows and then try removing the file again. On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:47:50 -0500 > From: Alex Maynard > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: [TLUG]: strange problem removing files > > > Hello All, > > I'm a bit confused on error message I get trying to remove files on a > second hard-drive (a windows partition mounted on linux) and just thought > I'd check to see if anyone had any suggestions or in case I'm missing > something obvious. > > I am getting the following error: > > rm: cannot remove `apsi0814_100_100.fmt': Read-only file system > > The strange thing is through that: > > 1. in /etc/fstab the disk (/windows) is mounted rw: > > /dev/hdb1 /windows vfat > rw,noauto,dev,exec,async,uni_xlate,suid,user,nonumtail,uid=25732 > > 2. the files have me as user and permissions set to rw. Permissions on > the directories are all rwx > > 3. These files had just been written to the disk yesterday and I had been > able to delete some other files that had been written at the same time. > > Earlier this morning the /hdb partition did fill up to 100% capacity and > the files I've been storing there are unusually large. I > don't know if that could have caused a problem? Or maybe I'm just missing > something obvious? > > Alex > > > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 16:07:37 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:07:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48445.199.64.0.254.1075392457.squirrel@mail.indigofire.net> Martin Duclos said: > Hey, > I'm about to set up my ATI Radeon all in wonder card to be able to > watch tv on my RedHat 9.0 machine. I am wondering what software I > should use and how to get it working. Does anyone have experice on > that subject. What works what doesn. I'm not sure where to get > started. > > Martin Freevo is probably the app you're looking for. Dunno about the Radeon specifically, but Video4Linux or BTTV might work. Related Links: Freevo video4Linux Info video4Linux HQ BTTV Let me know how it goes... I have yet to configure my TV Wonder in Debian, though I'd like to do that soon. Cheers, Kareem -- /********************************************************************* kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org - Kareem Shehata - 416-676-6611 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some hire public relations officers. -- Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - ) ********************************************************************/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 16:30:53 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:30:53 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4019353D.7090507@rogers.com> > I'm about to set up my ATI Radeon all in wonder card Sorry, no useful suggestions here, but I have been contemplating getting that card (or a similar one) when next I upgrade my home boxen. I would imagine it's AGP, or is it PCI? I've given up going the route of a USB video capture device, so I think I'll stick to a vid card that has it built in. If you could post back to the list with your experiences if/when you get it working, I would be very interested to hear about it. I'm running SuSE, but I don't think that'll make a wet slap worth of difference. Thanks, Byron -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 16:57:33 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:57:33 -0500 Subject: strange problem removing files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks very much. That's a good suggestion. Unfortunately, it is still giving me the same error when I try to remove the files. I also tried rebooting - but again I got the same error message. Alex On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Jing Su wrote: > Try remounting it again as root: > mount -o remount,rw /windows > and then try removing the file again. > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:47:50 -0500 > > From: Alex Maynard > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > Subject: [TLUG]: strange problem removing files > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm a bit confused on error message I get trying to remove files on a > > second hard-drive (a windows partition mounted on linux) and just thought > > I'd check to see if anyone had any suggestions or in case I'm missing > > something obvious. > > > > I am getting the following error: > > > > rm: cannot remove `apsi0814_100_100.fmt': Read-only file system > > > > The strange thing is through that: > > > > 1. in /etc/fstab the disk (/windows) is mounted rw: > > > > /dev/hdb1 /windows vfat > > rw,noauto,dev,exec,async,uni_xlate,suid,user,nonumtail,uid=25732 > > > > 2. the files have me as user and permissions set to rw. Permissions on > > the directories are all rwx > > > > 3. These files had just been written to the disk yesterday and I had been > > able to delete some other files that had been written at the same time. > > > > Earlier this morning the /hdb partition did fill up to 100% capacity and > > the files I've been storing there are unusually large. I > > don't know if that could have caused a problem? Or maybe I'm just missing > > something obvious? > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > Alex Maynard > > Assistant Professor > > Department of Economics > > University of Toronto > > 150 St. George St., N304 > > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > > Canada > > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 17:06:21 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:06:21 -0500 Subject: strange problem removing files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40193D8D.2010305@rogers.com> > I'm a bit confused on error message I get trying to remove files on a > second hard-drive (a windows partition mounted on linux) Do you have a windows box around that you could mount the thing on? If this were me, the first thing I'd want to do is to confirm that the issue (or related weirdnesses) happens only on the Linux box. If you mount it on the win box and it still acts odd, perhaps it's buggered. But if it works fine, you can take some relief in knowing that it's related to the linux box (either hardware or OS) and work from there. Not particularly useful advice, I know... -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 17:17:10 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:17:10 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040129171710.GW32132@paip.net> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:47:20AM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > Hey, > I'm about to set up my ATI Radeon all in wonder card to be able to watch tv > on my RedHat 9.0 machine. I am wondering what software I should use and how > to get it working. Does anyone have experice on that subject. What works > what doesn. I'm not sure where to get started. I use MythTV (though not with that particular card), and totally love it. Prettiest UI I've ever seen on a Linux app. http://www.mythtv.org/ - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 17:26:20 2004 From: mgjk-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:26:20 -0500 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: <200401281348.12155.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <401800BB.6080204@rogers.com> <200401281348.12155.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <4019423C.6000706@idirect.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 28 January 2004 13:34, Byron Sonne wrote: ... > A simple mistake, at least they're running Linux on their server. They may > have good intentions. I be willing to bet that If they add the following > line to their apache config that all will be well: > > AddType text/html .shtml > > Their pages rendered fine for me once saved to local disk. This is a pet-peeve of mine with MS IE. It renders a text/plain as text/html if it is "valid" html. It's an IE bug, but if you tell a site owner that their site doesn't work unless you're using IE, they'll say the problem is the browser, not the server. I mean, IE 5.5 renders the following CGI as HTML, whereas Mozilla and Netscape render it properly as text: #!/bin/sh cat < This is a test

This is an HTML body EOF Of course, I only know this because I've made the same mistake myself :-) I have it posted ( http://vorpal.ca/cgi-bin/blah.cgi ) if anyone has newer versions of IE/Konqueror/whatever they want to throw at it. -Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 17:57:32 2004 From: fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:57:32 -0500 Subject: [NTL] [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: References: <200401291000.07564.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <200401291257.32034.fraser@wehave.net> On Thursday 29 January 2004 12:25, Thamer Al-Harbash wrote: > This is partly because tables are being deprecated with the newer > HTML standards and CSS that does 2 and 3 columns and work > everywhere is available in the public domain (or is released > under very Free terms): Absolutely agree, tables are for tabular data, css is for layout. css makes things much more compact and maintainable as well as adding some features that are possible with plain old html. My point (not much of one) was that I haven't seen real innovation in web design since the late 90s, most web design is simply a cut and paste exercise. Perhaps I haven't been exposed to real web designers or perhaps I'm going to the wrong sites. > http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ Looks suspiciously like my own website http://www.wehave.net/ > You seem a bit bitter about this though. Not especially, I feel bitter about a lot of things ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 18:09:20 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:09:20 -0500 Subject: [NTL] [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... In-Reply-To: <200401291257.32034.fraser-Txk5XLRqZ6CsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200401291000.07564.fraser@wehave.net> <200401291257.32034.fraser@wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040129180920.GS824@smeagol> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 12:57:32PM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > My point (not much of one) was that I haven't seen real innovation in web > design since the late 90s, most web design is simply a cut and paste > exercise. Perhaps I haven't been exposed to real web designers or perhaps > I'm going to the wrong sites. I realize this is now strongly veering into the realm of off-topic, however, I wanted to drop in one of my fave resources for site design: http://netdiver.net/ Among other things, netdiver scrounges the net for well designed sites. There must be 100s of sites featured on netdiver. While it's true there are a lot of same-old-same-old sites on netdiver, some of them are same-old because they did it first. :) Another site I really like for design ideas is: http://terminus1525.ca/ This is an on-line gallery, so it's not Web Design so much as design. The framework is done by a Toronto-based group and uses www.drupal.org as the base for the system. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 19:18:21 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:18:21 -0600 Subject: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... References: Message-ID: <009001c3e69c$aa2935e0$6400a8c0@D2XGQ811> Myself I do a fair amount of web design work on a windows box, however, I do most of my actual designing with either Mozilla or Firebird running. It's both for practical reasons (I build my sites with a template system that often means having several windows open- tabs makes this too easy) and for future-compatibility- IE may be what "everyone" uses now, but designing around it's quirks probably will come back to bite me later. Zoltan www.zee4.com www.yyztech.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Matthew Rice" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: [TLUG]: [fwd] How NOT to build an open source site... > Righteous indignation or ??? > > So what do you guys think? Is it evil for Linux guys to hire Windows centric > web designers? > > I know that I have issues with it from the 'I have to deal with what they > produce after they are gone' point of view. Also, it's always fun asking for > a template of the site that just uses Server Side Includes for the first > pass. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -- > g. matthew rice starnix inc. > phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 19:54:46 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:54:46 -0500 Subject: iptables firewall Message-ID: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> Hi. I have a small home network (a desktop and two laptops, plus a dmz'd http server) that is connected to sympatico dsl (dynamic ip) via an old desktop running coyote linux. I just upgraded coyote from v1.32 (2.2.x kernel) to v2.06 (2.4.x kernel), so I have had to rewrite all of my firewall rules for iptables. I found lots of great explanations online, and I've got a working firewall that SEEMS to do everything I want it to. However, this is the first iptables firewall that I have setup, so I'd like to have a few extra eyes check for mistakes and holes. Anyone willing to check it out for me, the rules are here: http://www.polarhome.com/~cael/firewall.txt Here's what I'm trying to do: internal network and dmz can connect to internet, masq'd (no restrictions) internal network can connect to dmz (no restrictions) internal network can connect to firewall (ssh & webadmin ports) http, ssh, mangband ports forwarded from internet to dmz server Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -Jeremy Wakeman -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cgow-FlpYSvOe4acWeH+WijV1tNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 21:35:31 2004 From: cgow-FlpYSvOe4acWeH+WijV1tNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: relocation error when running java Message-ID: <401AD146.70202@digitalfairway.com> Hello: I've just started getting an 'undefined symbol' error whenever I start up java. The exact error is: /usr/local/java/bin/java: relocation error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXcursor.so.1: undefined symbol: XGetDefault. Java was working up until yesterday. I'm running Suse 8.2 w/Ximian Desktop 2.0 and I did some updates and installed mono yesterday. The error started occuring after I did the update/install. Looking at the datestamp of the so file shows that the file hasn't been touched since I installed Linux in the summer. I did a strings on libXcursor and XGetDefault does appear in there. As an aside, is there a better way to figure out what functions are available in a shared object file? Any clues how to trace this problem? (without resorting to uninstalling mono). tia -- sniff -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Jan 29 22:25:15 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:25:15 -0500 Subject: SCO Stolen Code Page Message-ID: <20040129172515.316dc6a8.jmyshrall@golden.net> Interesting site ;-) http://www.linuxstolescocode.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 00:20:19 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:20:19 -0600 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <20040129195446.GA20093-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> Message-ID: <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> OK, sorry, my ISP has stopped ____ing around due to the 2 snowballs that fell off Frosty today and we can now begin this little quest. Which exact version of Coyote do you have? Standalone machine right? 2 NICS and what router after that? Normally, IPTables is set nearly perfectly for almost every SOHO application. First we need to check any and all firewall settings before going to IPTables. Then after that is done, we can get technical. : ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 01:53:07 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:53:07 -0500 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <200401291820.19358.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <20040130015307.GA25670@dmz> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 06:20:19PM -0600, Garth Meisel wrote: > OK, sorry, my ISP has stopped ____ing around due to the 2 snowballs that fell > off Frosty today and we can now begin this little quest. > > Which exact version of Coyote do you have? Standalone machine right? 2 NICS > and what router after that? > Normally, IPTables is set nearly perfectly for almost every SOHO application. standalone machine, one floppy drive, no hd or cdrom, three realtek 8139 network cards. one is connected to a speedstream dsl modem, one is connected to a linksys 5-port 10/100 router, and one is connected via crossover cable to a compaq deskpro running debian woody (apache, sshd, mangband). The coyote linux is release version 2.06, with default network settings (192.168.0.0 for internal network and 192.168.1.0 for dmz), and pppoe for the internet connection. Support for dmz was added recently (2.05): some of the settings didn't get saved correctly to disk when I used a non-standard local network, so all network settings are default. > First we need to check any and all firewall settings before going to > IPTables. Then after that is done, we can get technical. : ) All iptables settings are done in the posted script (www.polarhome.com/~cael/firewall.txt) as far as I can tell. None of the coyote linux webadmin-friendly firewall or portforwarding files are used at all, and I have made no attempt to change anything from the initial installation, except to drop my firewall script onto the floppy in the appropriate place. There are no errors output when the script is run, unless I uncomment the rules for the mangle tables (which don't work because the required kernel module is not inserted???). As I said, everything *seems* to work: internal network computers can access web pages, http server is visible from the internet, and the dmz server can ping but not nmap the internal network. Anything I forgot to mention? -Jeremy -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 03:47:46 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:47:46 -0600 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <20040130015307.GA25670-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040130015307.GA25670@dmz> Message-ID: <200401292147.46225.Garth@Webostics.com> No, that's good, thank you. check your pm -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 04:51:56 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:51:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: strange problem removing files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > > Thanks very much. That's a good suggestion. Unfortunately, it is still > giving me the same error when I try to remove the files. I also tried > rebooting - but again I got the same error message. Type /sbin/mount and look to see if the filesystem is mounted rw or ro (read-write or read-only). If it is ro try the mount command Jing Su mentioned again and then execute /sbin/mount again. Advise us of the results. Rob > Alex > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Jing Su wrote: > > > Try remounting it again as root: > > mount -o remount,rw /windows > > and then try removing the file again. > > > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Alex Maynard wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:47:50 -0500 > > > From: Alex Maynard > > > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > > > Subject: [TLUG]: strange problem removing files > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I'm a bit confused on error message I get trying to remove files on a > > > second hard-drive (a windows partition mounted on linux) and just thought > > > I'd check to see if anyone had any suggestions or in case I'm missing > > > something obvious. > > > > > > I am getting the following error: > > > > > > rm: cannot remove `apsi0814_100_100.fmt': Read-only file system > > > > > > The strange thing is through that: > > > > > > 1. in /etc/fstab the disk (/windows) is mounted rw: > > > > > > /dev/hdb1 /windows vfat > > > rw,noauto,dev,exec,async,uni_xlate,suid,user,nonumtail,uid=25732 > > > > > > 2. the files have me as user and permissions set to rw. Permissions on > > > the directories are all rwx > > > > > > 3. These files had just been written to the disk yesterday and I had been > > > able to delete some other files that had been written at the same time. > > > > > > Earlier this morning the /hdb partition did fill up to 100% capacity and > > > the files I've been storing there are unusually large. I > > > don't know if that could have caused a problem? Or maybe I'm just missing > > > something obvious? > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > Alex Maynard > > > Assistant Professor > > > Department of Economics > > > University of Toronto > > > 150 St. George St., N304 > > > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > > > Canada > > > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > > > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 12:32:49 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:32:49 -0500 Subject: Looking for rackmount brackets References: Message-ID: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Earlier this week I acquired a used 3com SuperStack II Dual Speed Hub 500 which did not come with the rackmount brackets, but which I now need to get installed into a standard 19" rack. In other words I need to find a source of suitable 3com brackets or I need to roll my own brackets. Also, any solution needs to be cheap. I have visited Active Surplus, they don't have suitable brackets for sale, and at least while they are undergoing renovations the only metal sheets they have on hand are thin sheets of copper (which appears to be way too thin to be suitable). I went to a home building store which has 1/8" thick 1" steel angle brackets for sale that I think would be ok, just drill some holes (by my measure I should be ok with angle bracket of .75" - 1" (i.e.: .75" to 1" per side)), the problem is they only seem to sell in lengths starting at 36" (I would need two length of 1.75")... I also looked at the metal brackets used to help support 2" x 4" framing studs at the home building store, price was right, but they didn't appear to be strong enough. Ideas (preferably cheap)? Thanks in advance. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 13:19:15 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:19:15 -0500 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <20040130015307.GA25670-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040130015307.GA25670@dmz> Message-ID: <401A59D3.7090007@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jeremy, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > There are no errors output when the script is run, unless I uncomment > the rules for the mangle tables (which don't work because the required > kernel module is not inserted???). As I said, everything *seems* to > work: internal network computers can access web pages, http server is > visible from the internet, and the dmz server can ping but not nmap the > internal network. > > Anything I forgot to mention? Well, the idea of a DMZ is to protect the local network against intrusions. Therefore, make sure the DMZ can't access the internal network OR the firewall (IPTables) allow you to allow FORWARDing packets, while blocking those directed right at the machine. I don't know why you want the DMZ to ping the local network, but I don't think it's much of a security risk (although the latest trend is to block all pings comming in from any hostile environment [internet, etc.]). Also, try pinging and NMAPing your network from another net connection and make sure that only the server is visible (the firewall should be invisible to the outside world, I think). - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAGlnaRreNkzrRRLQRAnYsAJ4zLzXSeabigcqEHMA4Pf8Sj3awjQCgnFNY K94mR9possY72e1/hRN1iaM= =3ft5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 16:24:21 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:24:21 -0500 Subject: Looking for rackmount brackets In-Reply-To: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040130162421.GY2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 07:32:49AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Earlier this week I acquired a used 3com SuperStack II Dual Speed Hub 500 > which did not come with the rackmount brackets, but which I now need to get > installed into a standard 19" rack. In other words I need to find a source > of suitable 3com brackets or I need to roll my own brackets. Also, any > solution needs to be cheap. > > I have visited Active Surplus, they don't have suitable brackets for sale, > and at least while they are undergoing renovations the only metal sheets > they have on hand are thin sheets of copper (which appears to be way too > thin to be suitable). I went to a home building store which has 1/8" thick > 1" steel angle brackets for sale that I think would be ok, just drill some > holes (by my measure I should be ok with angle bracket of .75" - 1" (i.e.: > .75" to 1" per side)), the problem is they only seem to sell in lengths > starting at 36" (I would need two length of 1.75")... I also looked at the > metal brackets used to help support 2" x 4" framing studs at the home > building store, price was right, but they didn't appear to be strong enough. > Ideas (preferably cheap)? Have you asked the place you got the switch from if they just happen to have the original brackets around? It amazes me how many people sell used rack mount hardware and don't include the brackets. it isn't as if those brackets will fit anything else they have around. Maybe places like ebay should have a notice for people posting computer hardware, to make sure all rackmount hardware includes the mounts as it is otherwise just inconviniently shaped non rack mount equipment. At my previous job, out of 6 IBM x330's, one included the rails, and they are not very complicated rails, but the machines are a real hassle without them. I don't think you need very strong brackets since I doubt the switch/hub is that heavy. You should of course also ask 3com what a set of mounts cost. They may be reasonably priced. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 17:05:39 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:05:39 -0500 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <401A59D3.7090007-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040130015307.GA25670@dmz> <401A59D3.7090007@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040130170539.GA26860@dmz> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:19:15AM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > Well, the idea of a DMZ is to protect the local network against > intrusions. Therefore, make sure the DMZ can't access the internal > network OR the firewall (IPTables) allow you to allow FORWARDing > packets, while blocking those directed right at the machine. I don't > know why you want the DMZ to ping the local network, but I don't think > it's much of a security risk (although the latest trend is to block all > pings comming in from any hostile environment [internet, etc.]). > > Also, try pinging and NMAPing your network from another net connection > and make sure that only the server is visible (the firewall should be > invisible to the outside world, I think). Yes, the firewall cannot be accessed from the DMZ. Now that you mention it, allowing pings from DMZ to internal network is kind of silly. I'll stop that. I've done a tcp pingscan of the system: no info comes back. I don't have root priv anywhere to try the more exotic stuff. It looks like the firewall should be invisible because there are no connections allowed to it except from internal network. -Jeremy -- Jeremy John Wakeman www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 20:13:13 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:13:13 -0500 Subject: iptables firewall In-Reply-To: <20040130170539.GA26860-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040129195446.GA20093@dmz> <200401291820.19358.Garth@Webostics.com> <20040130015307.GA25670@dmz> <401A59D3.7090007@truxtar.com> <20040130170539.GA26860@dmz> Message-ID: <401ABAD9.7040904@truxtar.com> Hi Jeremy, If you want, send me a private e-mail with your IP and I'll do an NMAP scan for you with all the fancy root options. It's amazing how much info NMAP can pull out of a firewalled computer. Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > I've done a tcp pingscan of the system: no info comes back. I don't > have root priv anywhere to try the more exotic stuff. It looks like > the firewall should be invisible because there are no connections > allowed to it except from internal network. -- Anton Markov ("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "com") -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 20:42:39 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:42:39 -0500 Subject: immortal process? (there can be only one!) Message-ID: Hey All, On my RedHat9 2.4 kernel workstation, I found three instances of 'updatedb' running. All three of them appear to be dead (consuming no memory or CPU time). I've tried killing them (including kill -9), but the process refuse to die. This is the first time I've encountered this. It doesn't appear to be a zombie process since init hasn't removed it, and the three undead 'updatedb' instances are interfering with subsequent attempts at running updatedb. Anyone know of a solution short of a reboot? TIA -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 22:16:13 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:16:13 -0500 Subject: immortal process? (there can be only one!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401AD7AD.8080501@rogers.com> Jing Su wrote: > Hey All, > > On my RedHat9 2.4 kernel workstation, I found three instances of > 'updatedb' running. All three of them appear to be dead (consuming no > memory or CPU time). I've tried killing them (including kill -9), but the > process refuse to die. This is the first time I've encountered this. It > doesn't appear to be a zombie process since init hasn't removed it, and > the three undead 'updatedb' instances are interfering with subsequent > attempts at running updatedb. > > Anyone know of a solution short of a reboot? Try "telinit 1" and then telinit 3 or 5, to go back. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 22:59:05 2004 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: immortal process? (there can be only one!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Jing Su wrote: > On my RedHat9 2.4 kernel workstation, I found three instances of > 'updatedb' running. All three of them appear to be dead (consuming no > memory or CPU time). I've tried killing them (including kill -9), but the > process refuse to die. This is the first time I've encountered this. It > doesn't appear to be a zombie process since init hasn't removed it, and > the three undead 'updatedb' instances are interfering with subsequent > attempts at running updatedb. What status are these processes in? Processes in status "D" (usually because of i/o problems) are also invulnerable to "kill -9". JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tang_mengd-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Jan 30 23:54:49 2004 From: tang_mengd-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Meng Tang) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:54:49 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application References: Message-ID: VHZ0aW1lIGlzIGEgZ29vZCBkZS1pbnRlcmxhY2VkIGFwcC4gSSBsb3ZlIGl0cyBpbWFnZSBxdWFs aXR5LiBJIGRvbid0IGtub3cgQVRJIGFsbCBpbiB3b25kZXIuIEJ1dCBtb3N0IG9mIHRoZSBjYXJk cyB3aXRoIGJyb29rdHJlZSBjaGlwc2V0IHdvcmsgZm9yIHllYXJzLg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tIE9yaWdp bmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQpGcm9tOiAiTWFydGluIER1Y2xvcyIgPHRjaGl0b3dAaG90bWFp bC5jb20+DQpUbzogPHRsdWdAc3Mub3JnPg0KU2VudDogVGh1cnNkYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMjksIDIw MDQgMTA6NDcgQU0NClN1YmplY3Q6IFtUTFVHXTogVFYgVHVuZXIgYW5kIGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uDQoN Cg0KPiBIZXksDQo+IEknbSBhYm91dCB0byBzZXQgdXAgbXkgQVRJIFJhZGVvbiBhbGwgaW4gd29u ZGVyIGNhcmQgdG8gYmUgYWJsZSB0byB3YXRjaCB0diANCj4gb24gbXkgUmVkSGF0IDkuMCBtYWNo aW5lLiBJIGFtIHdvbmRlcmluZyB3aGF0IHNvZnR3YXJlIEkgc2hvdWxkIHVzZSBhbmQgaG93IA0K PiB0byBnZXQgaXQgd29ya2luZy4gRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBleHBlcmljZSBvbiB0aGF0IHN1 YmplY3QuIFdoYXQgd29ya3MgDQo+IHdoYXQgZG9lc24uIEknbSBub3Qgc3VyZSB3aGVyZSB0byBn ZXQgc3RhcnRlZC4NCj4gDQo+IE1hcnRpbg0KPiANCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCj4gUHJvdGVjdCB5b3Vy IFBDIC0gZ2V0IE1jQWZlZS5jb20gVmlydXNTY2FuIE9ubGluZSAgDQo+IGh0dHA6Ly9jbGluaWMu bWNhZmVlLmNvbS9jbGluaWMvaWJ1eS9jYW1wYWlnbi5hc3A/Y2lkPTM5NjMNCj4gDQo+IC0tDQo+ IFRoZSBUb3JvbnRvIExpbnV4IFVzZXJzIEdyb3VwLiAgICAgIE1lZXRpbmdzOiBodHRwOi8vdGx1 Zy5zcy5vcmcNCj4gVExVRyByZXF1ZXN0czogTGludXggdG9waWNzLCBObyBIVE1MLCB3cmFwIHRl eHQgYmVsb3cgODAgY29sdW1ucw0KPiBIb3cgdG8gVU5TVUJTQ1JJQkU6IGh0dHA6Ly90bHVnLnNz Lm9yZy9zdWJzY3JpYmUuc2h0bWwNCj4g -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 00:06:13 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:06:13 -0500 Subject: immortal process? (there can be only one!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401AAB25.16035.40F7E4D@localhost> updatedb might be looking for a disk that isn't mounted that was mounted when the command was invoked. It is now hanging until it sees something at the mount point that it is stuck at. Perhaps you had a CD-ROM mounted at the time which you later unmounted. Paul King Date sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:42:39 -0500 From: Jing Su To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: immortal process? (there can be only one!) Send reply to: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Hey All, > > On my RedHat9 2.4 kernel workstation, I found three instances of > 'updatedb' running. All three of them appear to be dead (consuming no > memory or CPU time). I've tried killing them (including kill -9), but the > process refuse to die. This is the first time I've encountered this. It > doesn't appear to be a zombie process since init hasn't removed it, and > the three undead 'updatedb' instances are interfering with subsequent > attempts at running updatedb. > > Anyone know of a solution short of a reboot? > > TIA > -Jing > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 01:23:27 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:23:27 -0600 Subject: immortal process? (there can be only one!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401301923.27146.Garth@Webostics.com> Wrong channel. There can be more than one. Watch the show. Updateb runs in Redhat behind the scenes. What you're worried about is beyond me. If you don't like RH, try another distro. There can be more than one. I'm not about to say RTFM but it's close. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 03:07:29 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:07:29 -0500 Subject: Looking for rackmount brackets References: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040130162421.GY2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <005401c3e7a7$5cf1a1c0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennart Sorensen" To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Looking for rackmount brackets > On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 07:32:49AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Earlier this week I acquired a used 3com SuperStack II Dual Speed Hub 500 > > which did not come with the rackmount brackets, but which I now need to get > > installed into a standard 19" rack. In other words I need to find a source > > of suitable 3com brackets or I need to roll my own brackets. Also, any > > solution needs to be cheap. > > > > I have visited Active Surplus, they don't have suitable brackets for sale, > > and at least while they are undergoing renovations the only metal sheets > > they have on hand are thin sheets of copper (which appears to be way too > > thin to be suitable). I went to a home building store which has 1/8" thick > > 1" steel angle brackets for sale that I think would be ok, just drill some > > holes (by my measure I should be ok with angle bracket of .75" - 1" (i.e.: > > .75" to 1" per side)), the problem is they only seem to sell in lengths > > starting at 36" (I would need two length of 1.75")... I also looked at the > > metal brackets used to help support 2" x 4" framing studs at the home > > building store, price was right, but they didn't appear to be strong enough. > > Ideas (preferably cheap)? First a quick update thanks to Terry Tanski I now have in hand a set of 3com brackets (much appreciated). > Have you asked the place you got the switch from if they just happen to > have the original brackets around? Yes I asked and the answer was/is no... > It amazes me how many people sell used rack mount hardware and don't > include the brackets. it isn't as if those brackets will fit anything > else they have around. Maybe places like ebay should have a notice for > people posting computer hardware, to make sure all rackmount hardware > includes the mounts as it is otherwise just inconviniently shaped non > rack mount equipment. At my previous job, out of 6 IBM x330's, one > included the rails, and they are not very complicated rails, but the > machines are a real hassle without them. The hub was payment for a job done at a charity, and my understanding is that they got the hub used (sigh...). Still, I would semi echo your view in that when you get rid of a piece of rack mount hardware, get rid of of it all to the same place... > I don't think you need very strong brackets since I doubt the switch/hub > is that heavy. True, but I did want it all to look neat. > You should of course also ask 3com what a set of mounts cost. They may > be reasonably priced. Not sure about that given that this particular model hub is discontinued. Still fortunately thank to Terry Tanski this is now an academic question as far as I am now concerned. > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 05:10:00 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:10:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Something a bit lighter Message-ID: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/04/Jan/ctlaltdel.html Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 18:28:48 2004 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:28:48 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application Message-ID: I've been trying to get the xawtv thing working. Apearently this is supposed to work for other video tuner to work. I'm so confused now. I didn't even get a chance to get any the app running. I can't even get past the installation of the proper driver for the vidoe card. I haven't got the slightest clue of how gatos, bttv, vidoe4linux and a tv tuner all fit together. What has to be in place for the app to work. Do I need 3d acceleration? OpenGL? Can someone explain in great details how every piece fit together? (and how to get the danm thing working?) I'm goin for a cigarette. Martin > Hey, > I'm about to set up my ATI Radeon all in wonder card to be able to watch tv > on my RedHat 9.0 machine. I am wondering what software I should use and how > to get it working. Does anyone have experice on that subject. What works > what doesn. I'm not sure where to get started. > > Martin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > N??????'??????????T????????.????????)????m??????????,??????L????????z??l.)??????)???? t??/ ????????????????4r??n??{?? hP???? ?? !????????n????(??????????&????f _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 18:56:12 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:56:12 +0200 (IST) Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The battle order for video on linux is: xawtv {Application} bttv.o {Module} i2c.o {Module} videodev.o {Module} If your card is recognized then the command 'cat /proc/modules|grep bttv' should yield one entry. Then you can try to start xawtv from a console under X11 (kterm). If it will have trouble it will say so. dmesg|less should yield info on the found card and bttv driver. Example: bttv0: Brooktree Bt848 (rev 18) bus: 0, devfn: 72, irq: 12, memory: 0xe4000000. bttv: 1 Bt8xx card(s) found. bttv0: model: BT848 iremocon: got major 254 for /dev/iremocon bttv: /dev/iremocon V0.7a Alpha support (plp) disregard the last two lines, they are generated by my iremocon driver which you do not have. So, again: try to start xawtv from a kterm. Observe messages. If it does not work do dmesg|less and look for lines like above. If none of this works, send some mail here and we will try to help. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:01:04 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:01:04 -0600 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401311301.04686.Garth@Webostics.com> < I'm goin for a cigarette. Me too. --- It really couldn't be any simpler well unless you were to have installed SuSE (plug plug plug hehehehe). You'll need to have a GREAT desktop enviornment installed so pick either KDE or Gnome, or both for that matter. Nothing wrong with that. (I prefer KDE by a mile but most RH'ers still prefer Gnome) It's just a desktop and both are excellent. Both run each others programs anyway. That takes care of all your X stuff needed. All you have to do is choose some of the programs you want to use, test with until you find your favorites, use RH's software installer whatever it's called, and all the software's needed libs and dependencies will be checked off and added automatically too. I don't know if there is a little box to check so dependencies are checked automatically or manually. The system will warn you if you try to install something that has other dependencies. If you make major changes to the X windowing system you should log out as that user and then log back in so the X server is restarted. You don't have to reboot though. Personally haven't used RH since 7.3 Pro came out and even that was for experimental purposes only. Nothing to it though, everything is automatic. My penguin wears a green hat : ) Oh, and the 3D wasn't necessary to watch video's on my systems. I don't honestly know it's needed for TV but I highly doubt it. Which input are you using on the video card to generate your TV or video and is it coming from a TV, VCR, DVD, another video card, what have you? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:19:59 2004 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:19:59 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application Message-ID: This is the listing of /proc/modules. No bttv. I Have a ATI all in wonder radeon. I don't see anything for bttv so I assume it's the wrong module for what I need... I'm not sure which would be required for the tv tuner to work. Any idea? emu10k1 68360 0 (autoclean) ac97_codec 14536 0 (autoclean) [emu10k1] sound 73492 0 (autoclean) [emu10k1] soundcore 6468 7 (autoclean) [emu10k1 sound] parport_pc 18788 1 (autoclean) lp 8804 0 (autoclean) parport 36800 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] autofs 13108 0 (autoclean) (unused) 8139too 18120 1 mii 3976 0 [8139too] ipt_REJECT 3992 6 (autoclean) iptable_filter 2412 1 (autoclean) ip_tables 14648 2 [ipt_REJECT iptable_filter] sg 35852 0 (autoclean) sr_mod 17720 0 (autoclean) ide-scsi 11984 0 scsi_mod 106520 3 [sg sr_mod ide-scsi] ide-cd 35424 0 cdrom 33216 0 [sr_mod ide-cd] printer 8896 0 keybdev 2912 0 (unused) mousedev 5428 1 hid 21892 0 (unused) input 5792 0 [keybdev mousedev hid] usb-ohci 21320 0 (unused) usbcore 78272 1 [printer hid usb-ohci] ext3 69984 2 jbd 51508 2 [ext3] The battle order for video on linux is: xawtv {Application} bttv.o {Module} i2c.o {Module} videodev.o {Module} If your card is recognized then the command 'cat /proc/modules|grep bttv' should yield one entry. Then you can try to start xawtv from a console under X11 (kterm). If it will have trouble it will say so. dmesg|less should yield info on the found card and bttv driver. Example: bttv0: Brooktree Bt848 (rev 18) bus: 0, devfn: 72, irq: 12, memory: 0xe4000000. bttv: 1 Bt8xx card(s) found. bttv0: model: BT848 iremocon: got major 254 for /dev/iremocon bttv: /dev/iremocon V0.7a Alpha support (plp) disregard the last two lines, they are generated by my iremocon driver which you do not have. So, again: try to start xawtv from a kterm. Observe messages. If it does not work do dmesg|less and look for lines like above. If none of this works, send some mail here and we will try to help. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:20:52 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:20:52 -0600 Subject: martin & others please use other proper thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401311320.52574.Garth@Webostics.com> Peter, does this mean that it doesn't matter if KDE or Gnome or any of the better desktops are installed and running? Just so long as the minimum X server is installed and running? I'm asking because I'd like to throw a nice big security camera I came across onto a system that is running a firewall, null server(Postfix), web server and proxy on. This particular machine was installed "text mode" only (SuSE 8.1) but does provide GUI's even though it was text only. Did I hit a grey zone again? All I'd want to do is monitor the camera's view (in color). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:39:34 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:39:34 -0500 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040131193934.GZ2384@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 01:28:48PM -0500, Martin Duclos wrote: > I've been trying to get the xawtv thing working. Apearently this is > supposed to work for other video tuner to work. I'm so confused now. I > didn't even get a chance to get any the app running. I can't even get past > the installation of the proper driver for the vidoe card. I haven't got the > slightest clue of how gatos, bttv, vidoe4linux and a tv tuner all fit > together. What has to be in place for the app to work. Do I need 3d > acceleration? OpenGL? Can someone explain in great details how every piece > fit together? (and how to get the danm thing working?) I think gatos is independant of the others. Unless they changed it a lot since it started, gatos doesn't do video for linux. It does everything internally in the video chip as overlays. They may have changed that since. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:44:39 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:44:39 +0200 (IST) Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You do not seem to have any tv card support in the modules. I would suggest you search the newsgroups for ATI (your particular model) and tv support. The driver might not (yet) exist. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:47:13 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:47:13 +0200 (IST) Subject: martin & others please use other proper thread In-Reply-To: <200401311320.52574.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401311320.52574.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Garth Meisel wrote: > Peter, does this mean that it doesn't matter if KDE or Gnome or any of the > better desktops are installed and running? Just so long as the minimum X > server is installed and running? Exactly. I run xawtv under fvwm and it also works without a window manager (launch xawtv directly under X11). > I'm asking because I'd like to throw a nice big security camera I came across > onto a system that is running a firewall, null server(Postfix), web server > and proxy on. This particular machine was installed "text mode" only (SuSE > 8.1) but does provide GUI's even though it was text only. Did I hit a grey > zone again? All I'd want to do is monitor the camera's view (in color). The zone is grey. Remeber you do not need X11 to be able to run something like webcamd and look at your camera from a web browser. Thanks to Linux modularity, this will work fine. 'Some work' will be required. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 19:50:47 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:50:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One more thing: If you have an unrecognized device it should appear in the PCI device listing as unrecognized. It also helps to physically look at the card. You are looking for a PGA or BGA chip labeled BT848 or 878 or similar, with the Brooktree logo (or Rockwell - I think Rockwell bought Brooktree some time ago). Your ATI might however use another capture processor, and that would go with another module (not bttv). Other candidates are Philips SAA7110 (and similar) and Zoran chips. There are more. You should look at the card if you find nothing on the net. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 20:03:25 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:03:25 -0600 Subject: martin & others please use other proper thread In-Reply-To: References: <200401311320.52574.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401311403.25338.Garth@Webostics.com> More happy news for a Linux user then. Thanks Peter, when will I stop being impressed? And Martin, you need to obviously NOT include the first part of what I said but I'd still bet RH will make sure the dependencies for Video4Linux are installed automatically if you. I know they were for me (SuSE) but I never hardened as system video wise so much as to discover what Peter taught me today. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 20:43:35 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:43:35 -0500 Subject: generating .cue files Message-ID: <401C1377.1070004@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, I have a .bin cd image file on my computer, but I can't burn it with any software (K3B or xcdroast) without the accompaning .cue file, which I don't have, and can't find. From what I understand, the .cue file describes the .bin file such as the block size, track count, etc. Is there a tool under Linux that would allow me to analyze a .bin file and re-generate the cue file. Thanks. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAHBOARreNkzrRRLQRApaXAJ4zXzMrBz/OMIEf1jAYo23PdIY1zQCgifAA Y6khoR/4oUbjO48zyRRr29A= =RfpB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 20:44:40 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:44:40 -0600 Subject: NON HTML Free WebMail Message-ID: <200401311444.40325.Garth@Webostics.com> Anyone know of any non-HTML yet free Webmail outfits so newcomers need not worry about being dissed because they have no alternative except webmail like HOTMAIL? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 20:45:43 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:45:43 -0600 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200401311445.43945.Garth@Webostics.com> Roughly Sat January 31 2004 1:44 pm, Peter L. Peres said: < You do not seem to have any tv card support in the modules. I would < suggest you search the newsgroups for ATI (your particular model) and tv < support. The driver might not (yet) exist. < < Peter http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ ..... is where I went for my first webcam setup. http://bytesex.org/ ...........might help if grabber chip is different. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 20:56:36 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:56:36 -0600 Subject: generating .cue files In-Reply-To: <401C1377.1070004-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <401C1377.1070004@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200401311456.36792.Garth@Webostics.com> Sounds like it came from the inventor of APIC but you might be able to decipher it with something like CD Mate or a similar over the edge application? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 21:18:45 2004 From: Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (Garth Meisel) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:18:45 -0600 Subject: TV Tuner and application In-Reply-To: <200401311445.43945.Garth-xsdjDKdUMl2akBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200401311445.43945.Garth@Webostics.com> Message-ID: <200401311518.45092.Garth@Webostics.com> Again, not running Redhat, but SuSE's Yast2 (setup gui) does have in the "Hardware" folder, "TV Card" settings besides the regular "Graphics card" settings. I doubt Redhat wouldn't have a similar special area for fine tuning but would really like somebody running Redhat to verify that. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 22:33:30 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:33:30 +0200 (IST) Subject: which language Message-ID: I am working on my idea of writing state machine descriptions in a 'language' of mine. I do not know what language is best to implement it. To the point: I would like to use arity and type-based function implementation matching, as is available in C++ and Prolog. Can this be done in Perl or TCL or Python without reinventing the wheel ? I.e. is there a straightforward syntax to write: function foo(a) { print a } function foo(a,b) { print a+b } ? what now ? Lisp ? Scheme ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 23:26:01 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:26:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: which language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > To the point: I would like to use arity and type-based function > implementation matching, as is available in C++ and Prolog. Can this be > done in Perl or TCL or Python without reinventing the wheel ? Generally speaking, no. These languages all have quite relaxed notions of "type" and aren't prepared to distinguish between functions on that basis. And since they don't do that, there is little point in distinguishing by number of arguments either, and so they don't. You can write a single function and have it make decisions based on how many arguments it got handed and what types they have, but the language won't do it for you. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 23:58:47 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:58:47 -0500 Subject: which language In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 06:26:01PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040131185847.A4173@ee.ryerson.ca> There is a version of Tcl that supports object-oriented programming. It's called 'incr Tcl'. I have no experience with it, however. Peter On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 06:26:01PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > To the point: I would like to use arity and type-based function > > implementation matching, as is available in C++ and Prolog. Can this be > > done in Perl or TCL or Python without reinventing the wheel ? > > Generally speaking, no. These languages all have quite relaxed notions of > "type" and aren't prepared to distinguish between functions on that basis. > And since they don't do that, there is little point in distinguishing by > number of arguments either, and so they don't. You can write a single > function and have it make decisions based on how many arguments it got > handed and what types they have, but the language won't do it for you. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Jan 31 02:18:40 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:18:40 -0500 Subject: Looking for rackmount brackets In-Reply-To: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006101c3e72d$2c131ae0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040130211840.45a3e75b.hgibson@eol.ca> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:32:49 -0500 "Colin McGregor" wrote: > Earlier this week I acquired a used 3com SuperStack II Dual Speed Hub 500 > which did not come with the rackmount brackets, but which I now need to get > installed into a standard 19" rack. In other words I need to find a source > of suitable 3com brackets or I need to roll my own brackets. Also, any > solution needs to be cheap. Colin, For parts for mounting to 19" racks, check out Hammond Manufacturing. They have a factory in Guelph. They make blank 19" panels and all sorts of other stuff, and local electronics distributors carry it. I cannot remember the URL, and I am not connected to the internet as I type this. I am sure Google will correct all this. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org Sun Jan 4 22:43:23 2004 From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 17:43:23 -0500 Subject: lcd monitors and screensavers Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20040104174128.009f6750@pop3.ilap.com> Are screensavers necessary to protect my lcd monitor? I understand that these screens do not suffer from pshospor over-burn so why bother. Thanks Dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml