From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 00:17:49 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 02:17:49 +0200 (IST) Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) (solved) Message-ID: Please disregard the messages with this subject. My server works perfectly, the problem is in the clients. The clients (browsers) are optimised to 'share' a connection. Using unoptimised clients (netpipes, wget, etc) allows perfect concurrent operation. Now, how to cause 2 or more mozilla firefox instances to access the same stream atthe same time while running on the same desktop ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 02:13:21 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:13:21 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130112425.3c3fd96b.rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> <20041130112425.3c3fd96b.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <200411302113.21748.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:24, Rob Sutherland wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:29 -0500 > > Peter King wrote: > > Yesterday someone tried to break into my system (behind a firewall with > > only port 22 open for ssh), apparently running some sort of kit: a few > > thousand attempts in about seven minutes, most trying for "obvious" > > names (web server root admin and so on). I caught this about two hours > > later while reviewing my logfiles, which, in addition to faithfully > > logging all the break-in attempts, also snagged the intruder's IP > > address. > > > > Two hours later? Well, what the hell, I thought, and ran traceroute on > > it. And there it was: the computer from which the attacks had been > > launched was up and running on the net somewhere (I think Korea but it > > wasn't entirely clear from traceroute). > > Yeah, they're a busy bunch - they hit my box last week. If you change your > ssh configuration to listen on a different port, that will at least stop > your system from getting DOSed. Yes, it was Korea. Rob, when you say they "hit" your box last week, what do you mean? Did they just attempt to connect via ssh, which I do not see as a big deal, or did they successfully get a shell, which *is* a big deal? -- Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, ON Canada M4N 3P6 +1 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 03:33:40 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:33:40 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <200411302113.21748.clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> <20041130112425.3c3fd96b.rob@cheapersafer.com> <200411302113.21748.clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com> Message-ID: <20041130223340.06bddfc6.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:13:21 -0500 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > > Rob, when you say they "hit" your box last week, what do you mean? Did they > just attempt to connect via ssh, which I do not see as a big deal, or did > they successfully get a shell, which *is* a big deal? It was just as the original poster described - several thousand attempts to log in as various names in a few minutes. It was really more of a DOS problem than anything else. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com Land: (416) 536-0176 | Cell: (416)407-1391 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 04:59:57 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:59:57 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <200411302359.57369.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:00, Peter King wrote: > Lo and behold, a Linux 2.4.7 system with a spate of wide-open ports, > including ftp (!). I tried it, and it permitted anonymous ftp, though > apparently chrooted: I couldn't discover anything about its identity. > Also imap, pop3, ssh, and a few filtered ports (irc and the netbios > suite among them). Sounds like a typical Redhat 7.2 system. Some company trying out "the Linux thing" enabled every service possible and stuck it on the net. Hack remotely via your choice of telnet, wuftpd, ssh or sendmail. Most likely it's still doing their mail/firewall/print/fileserving/website duties so they are happily oblivious. > Okay, NOW WHAT? Being a good net citizen you might lookup who owns that IP address and complain to the ISP. For example one of my more recent attackers: whois 218.89.36.106 inetnum: 218.88.0.0 - 218.89.255.255 netname: CHINANET-SC descr: CHINANET sichuan province network descr: Data Communication Division descr: China Telecom country: CN admin-c: CH93-AP tech-c: XS16-AP mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET mnt-lower: MAINT-CHINANET-SC status: ALLOCATED NON-PORTABLE changed: hostmaster-lMKbp7bQTWtk7FefFpB7g6xOck334EZe at public.gmane.org 20020408 changed: hm-changed-kQgggeSMbpBeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org 20040927 changed: hm-changed-kQgggeSMbpBeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org 20041126 source: APNIC My box constantly gets login attempts from Korea and China (once last week there were 4,000+ attempts in 50 minutes). I used to complain but I've found out that it's worthless, small ISPs might care and might resolve the issue but unfortunately most ISPs are large and (I guess) either don't care or cannot afford to care. I did get good responses from North America and Europe when complaining about viruses and hacking in the past, I've never had a single response from emailing asian ISPs, perhaps it's a language barrier or perhaps the whois information isn't pointing at the right people. > Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) Forget about it, put some of that energy into keeping your machine unattractive: - keep all software up to date (libraries can be just as important as the daemons) - keep software that doesn't need to be accessible inaccessible - keep software features that you don't need turned off where possible (i.e. mod_* in apache) - secure ssh as others have mentioned - be careful about what you install. Php webapps are a dime a dozen as are CGI scripts, rarely are the programmers thinking about security Know what your machine is doing: - install and tune logcheck so that you get emailed the interesting logs - monitor and alert on interesting things (automatically of course) like size of mail queue, free disk space, hard drive temperature, unusual logins, volume of traffic, modifications to binaries (tripwire is nice for this) Other than that, sleep well ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 14:28:43 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:28:43 -0500 Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) (solved) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041201142843.GO8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 02:17:49AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Please disregard the messages with this subject. My server works > perfectly, the problem is in the clients. The clients (browsers) are > optimised to 'share' a connection. Using unoptimised clients (netpipes, > wget, etc) allows perfect concurrent operation. > > Now, how to cause 2 or more mozilla firefox instances to access the same > stream atthe same time while running on the same desktop ? If you are doing HTTP connections, you could just make your server return an http 1.0 header rather than 1.1, since 1.0 does NOT allow persistent connections. That should prevent the browser from trying to use the same connection again and again. You still have to force the browser to try multiple connections at once of course. There should also be a setting in the browser to control how many simultanious connections it will make. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 09:25:27 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:25:27 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux Message-ID: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Does anyone on this list have any experience with IBM serveraid? I have 2 identical Netfinity 5600's setup with RAID 5 across 5 18gb drives, 3 live, 2 hot spares. I am constantly having drives go DDD ( amber light ). Randomly. Sometimes it takes 2 weeks running 24/7. Sometimes I will get 2 drives on the same day. I have the latest bios and drive updates installed. I have ran all the diagnostics on the IBM serveraid bootable cd. All tests fine. I have tried Fedora, Debian sarge, SuSE 9.1 and 9.0, Now running Whitebox ( because of the IBM support for RHEL3 ). All do the same thing. When these systems were at their original location they ran flawlessly - running unix. I will be reinstalling these sytems, as in production I will be running gentoo 2004.3, but I am considering installing freeBSD to try and weed out if it is a linux / unix issue. Anyone have any suggestions here ? -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 14:32:40 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:32:40 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <200412010425.27423.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20041201143240.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:25:27AM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > Does anyone on this list have any experience with IBM serveraid? > > I have 2 identical Netfinity 5600's setup with RAID 5 across 5 18gb drives, 3 > live, 2 hot spares. I am constantly having drives go DDD ( amber light ). > Randomly. Sometimes it takes 2 weeks running 24/7. Sometimes I will get 2 > drives on the same day. I have the latest bios and drive updates installed. I > have ran all the diagnostics on the IBM serveraid bootable cd. All tests > fine. I have tried Fedora, Debian sarge, SuSE 9.1 and 9.0, Now running > Whitebox ( because of the IBM support for RHEL3 ). All do the same thing. > When these systems were at their original location they ran flawlessly - > running unix. > > I will be reinstalling these sytems, as in production I will be running gentoo > 2004.3, but I am considering installing freeBSD to try and weed out if it is > a linux / unix issue. > > Anyone have any suggestions here ? Sounds like a hardware problem. I have had similar problems caused by both a defective serveraid card (took months for IBM to admit that yeah the card might be faulty) and from a hotswap backplane with flacky connectors. It is VERY unlikely to have anything to do with the OS since all the handling of bad disks and such is entirely part of the serveraid firmware (are you running the latest?) and the drives and backplane. So try swapping out the serveraid card or backplane if possible and see if it helps. Oh and is your power supply large enough to run that many disks? Some of the IBM boxes come with one power supply and room for 3 and actually require 2 or 3 installed to run more than a certain amount of hardware. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 15:00:58 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:00:58 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <200412010458.34717.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201143240.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412010458.34717.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <20041201150058.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:58:34AM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > That is what I was thinking, but why would both work fine, and then when I > removed the SCO that was installed on it it now fails? Well I haven't looked much at the ips driver code, so maybe it does interact more than I think. Does the firmware and driver version both seem right together? I just know in every case I have encountered with drives "dying" every week or so, it was a hardware problem. I have only worked with serveraid 4M cards though. > All 3 power supplies installed and live. APC SmartUPS 1000 runing the show. Sounds like a stable setup. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 09:58:34 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:58:34 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <20041201143240.GP8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201143240.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200412010458.34717.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On December 1, 2004 09:32 am, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Sounds like a hardware problem. I have had similar problems caused by > both a defective serveraid card (took months for IBM to admit that yeah > the card might be faulty) and from a hotswap backplane with flacky > connectors. > > It is VERY unlikely to have anything to do with the OS since all the > handling of bad disks and such is entirely part of the serveraid > firmware (are you running the latest?) and the drives and backplane. That is what I was thinking, but why would both work fine, and then when I removed the SCO that was installed on it it now fails? > > So try swapping out the serveraid card or backplane if possible and see > if it helps. > > Oh and is your power supply large enough to run that many disks? Some > of the IBM boxes come with one power supply and room for 3 and actually > require 2 or 3 installed to run more than a certain amount of hardware. > All 3 power supplies installed and live. APC SmartUPS 1000 runing the show. > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 16:04:39 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <41ADE9E3.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41ADEB97.7080907@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to > use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently > connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. > > I have tried specifying DNS in the graphical network config, manually > setting up my devices in '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts' and even > changing the permissions on the file to '444' but they where changed > back to '644' and re-written non the less. Can anyone tell me how to > stop this behavior? > > This is exactly the behavior I -left- MS for (forcing decisions on > me). Grr! If you're using dhcpcd, the -R option prevents resolv.conf from being overwritten. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 16:06:27 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:06:27 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <41ADE9E3.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to 'man dhcpcd' and searching for 'resolv' results in this on my system: -R Prevents dhcpcd from replacing existing /etc/resolv.conf file. If you use a different dhcp client, there may be a different option. If there isn't an equivalent option, it's time for a better dhcp client (i.e. one that does what you want). ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 15:57:23 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:57:23 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? Message-ID: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. I have tried specifying DNS in the graphical network config, manually setting up my devices in '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts' and even changing the permissions on the file to '444' but they where changed back to '644' and re-written non the less. Can anyone tell me how to stop this behavior? This is exactly the behavior I -left- MS for (forcing decisions on me). Grr! Thanks all! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 16:03:59 2004 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:03:59 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <41ADE9E3.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200412011104.00175.BGarel@clublink.ca> On Wednesday 01 December 2004 10:57, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to > use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently > connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. > > I have tried specifying DNS in the graphical network config, manually > setting up my devices in '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts' and even > changing the permissions on the file to '444' but they where changed > back to '644' and re-written non the less. Can anyone tell me how to > stop this behavior? > > This is exactly the behavior I -left- MS for (forcing decisions on > me). Grr! > > Thanks all! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml Hey Madison, Would something simple like backing up the version of resolv.conf that you want to use and then after logging in having that file copied in place using some kind of simple script work? IMHO it lets DHCP do whatever the heck it wants and then you "fix" it in the background. It's not a perfect solution but it sounds right to me. B -- And he said to David, Thou art more righteous than I: for thou hast rewarded me good, whereas I have rewarded thee evil. -- 1 Samuel 24:17 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 16:05:44 2004 From: sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:05:44 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <41ADE9E3.3080607-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200412011105.44866.sniffy@rogers.com> On December 1, 2004 10:57 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to > use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently > connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. If you are using dhcp, then the dhcpcd supports a -R which is supposed to stop the client from overwriting the resolv.conf file. At least that's what man dhcpcd said. Dunno if FC3 uses that or something else. -- chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 17:18:44 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 01 Dec 2004 12:18:44 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <20041201150058.GQ8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201143240.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412010458.34717.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201150058.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:58:34AM -0500, Jason Shein wrote: > > That is what I was thinking, but why would both work fine, and then when I > > removed the SCO that was installed on it it now fails? > > Well I haven't looked much at the ips driver code, so maybe it does > interact more than I think. Does the firmware and driver version both > seem right together? > > I just know in every case I have encountered with drives "dying" every > week or so, it was a hardware problem. I have only worked with > serveraid 4M cards though. As another data point, one of our customers had some similar machines with the 4M SeveRAID cards. They had several failures that took out the entire array. The IBM technician who came to replace the failed drives said it happens a lot so I'm not convinced SeveRAID is all it's cracked up to be. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 18:55:14 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:55:14 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201150058.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200412011355.15094.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 01 December 2004 12:18, Tim Writer wrote: > As another data point, one of our customers had some similar machines with > the 4M SeveRAID cards. ?They had several failures that took out the entire > array. ?The IBM technician who came to replace the failed drives said it > happens a lot so I'm not convinced SeveRAID is all it's cracked up to be. The serveraid cards failed (at least once), lots of individual drives failed (I'd guess at least 6), motherboards failed (I believe twice). These machines were such crap that I'd have more faith putting a cheap whitebox in with a single IDE disk. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From carlos-kL/bm3VtGb86eWUC2bWwdA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 18:38:54 2004 From: carlos-kL/bm3VtGb86eWUC2bWwdA at public.gmane.org (Carlos O'Donell) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:38:54 -0500 Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <20041201183854.GD15036@baldric.uwo.ca> > Okay, NOW WHAT? > > I found the computer, and even have limited access to it; apart from > wanting to take it down as payback, I had and have no clue what to do > next. The Voice Over My Shoulder told me to give it up and go back to > rechecking those firewall rules. But I can't help but think if I just > knew a bit more, I could do something -- like find out the guy's ISP and > send them a note about cracker attempts. > > Advice? Suggestions? (Other than "Get a life" I mean.) You need to locate the users ISP, and attempt to make contact. I've done this before, but the language barrier might be too high. Not only that but the ISP team might even think you're just spamming them. If you do contact them do not under any circumstance tell them that you scanned the remote server. You could get in trouble for that yourself, if they contact *your* ISP... you can just imagine the conversation. Aside from the above suggestions... a. Relax, get a beer. b. Add more firewall rules. c. Use hosts.allow heavily. Only allow ssh from certain places. d. Update yourself on the rootkit he attempted to use on your box. e. Add rules that auto-block such attempts in the future? That's it really. Welcome to the internet. Cheers, Carlos. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 18:57:05 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:57:05 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201143240.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412010458.34717.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <20041201150058.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041201185705.GR8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 12:18:44PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > As another data point, one of our customers had some similar machines with > the 4M SeveRAID cards. They had several failures that took out the entire > array. The IBM technician who came to replace the failed drives said it > happens a lot so I'm not convinced SeveRAID is all it's cracked up to be. Well I know that the hdparm -t runs quite a bit slower on a raid1 on a serveraid 4M than the same drives do running md raid1 in software. I was rather disappointed in the performance of them when I used them. I really didn't see any point in them compared to the cost of a 3ware card and a bunch of large fast SATA drives. Even the failure rate of the 10k and 15k rpm IBM drives was a bit on the disappointing side. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 21:32:17 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <200412011105.44866.sniffy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> <200412011105.44866.sniffy@rogers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f041201133240535cbb@mail.gmail.com> Not entirely certain about this one, but if I remember correctly, some utilities (tripwire comes to mind) will protect certain system files from being changed... Effectively quarantining the modified system files and replacing the modified copy with a "good copy" stored in it's database. Not sure if it's relevant or not, but might be something worth looking at if you're running tripwire or something similar. - Scott. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:05:44 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > On December 1, 2004 10:57 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to > > use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently > > connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. > If you are using dhcp, then the dhcpcd supports a -R which is supposed to stop > the client from overwriting the resolv.conf file. At least that's what man > dhcpcd said. Dunno if FC3 uses that or something else. > > -- chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 21:40:06 2004 From: Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Eric.Malenfant-xNZwKgViW5gAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:40:06 -0600 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? Message-ID: <4EFCB82716A118418980217FD50653EB01924155@daebe009.americas.nokia.com> Another good one to try, is once you have the file setup the way you want it, set the immutible flag on the file chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf Not even root would be able to delete the file until the flag was removed. Regards, Eric Malenfant -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of ext psema4 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:32 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? Not entirely certain about this one, but if I remember correctly, some utilities (tripwire comes to mind) will protect certain system files from being changed... Effectively quarantining the modified system files and replacing the modified copy with a "good copy" stored in it's database. Not sure if it's relevant or not, but might be something worth looking at if you're running tripwire or something similar. - Scott. On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:05:44 -0500, Chris Gow wrote: > On December 1, 2004 10:57 am, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have now tried everything I can think of to prevent my > > '/etc/resolv.conf' file from being re-written when I switch networks and > > nothing seems to work. I have my own DNS server and I have no desire to > > use other people's DNS servers. I use a laptop so I am frequently > > connecting to DHCP-servered LANs. > If you are using dhcp, then the dhcpcd supports a -R which is supposed to stop > the client from overwriting the resolv.conf file. At least that's what man > dhcpcd said. Dunno if FC3 uses that or something else. > > -- chris > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 22:03:54 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:54 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f041201133240535cbb-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> <200412011105.44866.sniffy@rogers.com> <99a6c38f041201133240535cbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41AE3FCA.5070807@rogers.com> psema4 wrote: > Not entirely certain about this one, but if I remember correctly, some > utilities (tripwire comes to mind) will protect certain system files > from being changed... Effectively quarantining the modified system > files and replacing the modified copy with a "good copy" stored in > it's database. > > Not sure if it's relevant or not, but might be something worth looking > at if you're running tripwire or something similar. Why do it that way, when the dhcp client provides the proper method? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 01:35:07 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:35:07 -0500 Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs Message-ID: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> Hello everyone, I have been trying to burn a CD under Linux using K3b (which basically uses the standard mkisofs, cdrdao, cdrecord tools) which will be recognized by Windows as an AUTORUNable CD. So far I have had no success. I have an AUTORUN.INF file which specifies a batch script to be run by Windows. I have tried burning this under Windows, and it works fine (so my file is not the problem). In fact under windows I didn't have to do anything special (no special options or anything), which leads me to believe there is something wrong with my CD (or specifically mkisofs) setup. Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a place where I can get the information)? My search on google has turned up people with similar questions, but no answers :(. Thanks in advance. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[austin at n1 rpm]$ whois 207.46.98.47 OrgName: Microsoft Corp OrgID: MSFT Address: One Microsoft Way City: Redmond StateProv: WA So either the microsoft search bot is messed up treating my site like a punching bag, or someone at MS is being a dick, or a machine at head office has been compromised and is being used to do malicious stuff. I dunno, I guess it's a bit off topic, but I'd love to hear your ideas. Austin P.S. It's a linux server, http://groundstate.ca running Drupal. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 01:42:07 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:42:07 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1101951727.5348.8.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 20:38 -0500, Austin wrote: > By today, it was pounding two of my pages "recent posts" > and "leave feedback" form, several times per minute. It's not really > consuming that much bandwidth, but it's filling up my logs with useless > quasi-spam. Heh... update... it started reloading one page every few seconds, so I had to block it using htaccess. So weird. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 01:49:05 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:49:05 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41AE7491.1000500@deeptown.org> It's "Google-killer" search engine from Micro$oft. This IP address in my permanent iptables ban-list. They are very aggressively index my pages almost every day, slowing down my connection. Most of their hits comes to my Philip Sayce photoalbum. PS: It's a old Linux server, http://gallery.deeptown.org running old redhat 8. =) All the Best! Sergey. Austin wrote: >Hmm, I'm having the weirdest thing going on with my website... maybe >someone can offer insight. > >I've had this address crawling all over my site lately, which is okay. >Recently it started visiting more often, and reloading the same pages >repeatedly. By today, it was pounding two of my pages "recent posts" >and "leave feedback" form, several times per minute. It's not really >consuming that much bandwidth, but it's filling up my logs with useless >quasi-spam. > >So guess who's IP it is? > >[austin at n1 rpm]$ whois 207.46.98.47 >OrgName: Microsoft Corp >OrgID: MSFT >Address: One Microsoft Way >City: Redmond >StateProv: WA > >So either the microsoft search bot is messed up treating my site like a >punching bag, or someone at MS is being a dick, or a machine at head >office has been compromised and is being used to do malicious stuff. > >I dunno, I guess it's a bit off topic, but I'd love to hear your ideas. > >Austin > >P.S. It's a linux server, http://groundstate.ca running Drupal. > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 04:06:10 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:06:10 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41AE7491.1000500-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <41AE7491.1000500@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <20041201230610.1397b636.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:49:05 -0500 Sergey Kuznetsov disseminated the following: > It's "Google-killer" search engine from Micro$oft. This IP address in my > permanent iptables ban-list. > They are very aggressively index my pages almost every day, slowing down > my connection. Hmmm, couldn't you add some sort of rewrite rule in your apache conf that would do something nasty to the originating host? Of course, this is only hypothetically speaking, doing so would highly unethical. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 23:04:17 up 10 days, 14:14, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.01 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging." -- Martin Luther -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 05:02:12 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (J. Qiang Li) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:02:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41AE7491.1000500-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE7491.1000500@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <20041202050213.19137.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> my old redhat 7.2 apache log just rotated on Nov 28.. since then, 89 out of 463 lines from the current apache log are from msnbot, 207.46.98.124. almost 20% log entries. but that's much less than the entries generated by the scanning from the infected windows machines. a 3.2MB access_log.1 file can be trimmed down to 90K after a cleanup by running a filter script. Qiang --- Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > It's "Google-killer" search engine from Micro$oft. This IP address in my > permanent iptables ban-list. > They are very aggressively index my pages almost every day, slowing down > my connection. > Most of their hits comes to my Philip Sayce photoalbum. > > > PS: It's a old Linux server, http://gallery.deeptown.org running old > redhat 8. =) > > All the Best! > Sergey. > > Austin wrote: > > >Hmm, I'm having the weirdest thing going on with my website... maybe > >someone can offer insight. > > > >I've had this address crawling all over my site lately, which is okay. > >Recently it started visiting more often, and reloading the same pages > >repeatedly. By today, it was pounding two of my pages "recent posts" > >and "leave feedback" form, several times per minute. It's not really > >consuming that much bandwidth, but it's filling up my logs with useless > >quasi-spam. > > > >So guess who's IP it is? > > > >[austin at n1 rpm]$ whois 207.46.98.47 > >OrgName: Microsoft Corp > >OrgID: MSFT > >Address: One Microsoft Way > >City: Redmond > >StateProv: WA > > > >So either the microsoft search bot is messed up treating my site like a > >punching bag, or someone at MS is being a dick, or a machine at head > >office has been compromised and is being used to do malicious stuff. > > > >I dunno, I guess it's a bit off topic, but I'd love to hear your ideas. > > > >Austin > > > >P.S. It's a linux server, http://groundstate.ca running Drupal. > > > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 05:15:51 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:15:51 +0000 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <20041202050213.19137.qmail-fP/5fdcA6J6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041202050213.19137.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412020515.51491.jason@detachednetworks.ca> http://www.spidertrack.org/index.php?page=spider&spider=MSNBot big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables rules. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 05:28:05 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:28:05 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <20041201230610.1397b636.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <41AE7491.1000500@deeptown.org> <20041201230610.1397b636.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41AEA7E5.3040902@deeptown.org> Micro$oft have quite experienced lawyers, and I don't have such huge amount of money to defend my hypothetical silly and nasty jokes =))) JoeHill wrote: >On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:49:05 -0500 >Sergey Kuznetsov disseminated the following: > > > >>It's "Google-killer" search engine from Micro$oft. This IP address in my >>permanent iptables ban-list. >>They are very aggressively index my pages almost every day, slowing down >>my connection. >> >> > >Hmmm, couldn't you add some sort of rewrite rule in your apache conf that would >do something nasty to the originating host? > >Of course, this is only hypothetically speaking, doing so would highly >unethical. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 15:54:14 2004 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:54:14 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost><41AE7491.1000500@deeptown.org> <20041201230610.1397b636.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Can you use a robots.txt file to block M$ like you can Google? ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoeHill" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: strange MS visits > On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:49:05 -0500 > Sergey Kuznetsov disseminated the following: > >> It's "Google-killer" search engine from Micro$oft. This IP address in my >> permanent iptables ban-list. >> They are very aggressively index my pages almost every day, slowing down >> my connection. > > Hmmm, couldn't you add some sort of rewrite rule in your apache conf that > would > do something nasty to the originating host? > > Of course, this is only hypothetically speaking, doing so would highly > unethical. > > -- > JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org > 23:04:17 up 10 days, 14:14, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.07, 0.01 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes > a-begging." -- Martin Luther > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 16:13:20 2004 From: billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Mudry) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:13:20 -0500 Subject: Reminder: FIrst meeting in Mississauga Dec. 7 at Mulligans Pub & Grill Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202111147.02f1d0b0@mail.primus.ca> Just a reminder. Only 5 days away: The first Linux Users Group to serve the area west of Toronto will meet: When: December 7, 2004 Time: Formal time is 7:00 pm. I will be there by 6pm, so if you can come earlier, you are welcome. The Pub is open till 12:45, so if you cannot come right away, there should be some of us still gathered for at least 2 -3 hours. Where: Mulligans Pub & Grill 2458 Dundas St. W. Mississauga Directions: Mulligans is on the west end of the Woodchester Mall, on the south side of Dundas, west end of Mississauga between Erin Mills Parkway and Winston Churchill. It occupies the corner of the strip of stores. Highways: - From Oakville to Hamilton and beyond, take the QEW eastbound and then the 403. Get off at the Dundas exit and head east past Winston Churchill to Woodchester. Turn right and take the entrance to the Mall right there on your left. Mulligans is right there. If you overshoot Dundas, just get off the 403 at the Winston Churchill exit and head south back to Dundas and turn left (eastbound). The mall is one long block east. Even if somehow you missed that exit, you can get off the 403 at Erin Mills Parkway, head south and turn right onto Dundas at the police station. - From Toronto, just travel on the QEW and head north on Erin Mills Parkway to Dundas or use the 401 to the 403 and use any of the three exits from the 403 above to head south to Dundas and to the mall. Some things about Mulligans that won my choice: - A good variety of food, $6.50 - $14.50 per plate. - Tuesday is wing night! $0.65 per wing :-) - No bands on Tuesdays. Quiet enough to talk. - Open late till 12:45. Lots of time - They can supply an area where we can all be together. - They can handle individual bills. - Bus access is very close (Mississauga Transit) - Rte #31 north & south - Rte #1 all the way to the Islington Station. - Should we still wish to meet come warm weather, they even have a fenced in outside patio area. There is no formal need to make any reservations. ....... However, if you intend to come, please email me to either TLUG, newTLUG or my email address of billmudry-ld0jrThsSZM at public.gmane.org This will allow me to tell the pub roughly how much space to set aside for us. Suggestion: Anyone with laptops, consider bringing them. We can share our interests, perhaps show off projects we are doing after the meal, help someone know how to do some things and just have a good time getting to know each other. There will be time to hear from all who attend what the would like to do in future meetings. If anyone has extra distro or software disks for trade or (inexpensive) sale, bring them, too. Someone else may go home happy to have some install disks they wanted. If you have a favorite "right arm book" you would love to recommend, feel free to share that with us, too. If you wish more details or have suggestions, you may also phone me at 905-822-6088. See you all there. The Penguin and I will be waiting for you! Bill Mudry (PS. - feel free to use this announcement if you would like to put up some flyers. Just exclude this PS). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 16:20:14 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:20:14 -0500 Subject: Reminder: FIrst meeting in Mississauga Dec. 7 at Mulligans Pub & Grill In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202111147.02f1d0b0-/F25LVKnkZ+2QQox1G4N4w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202111147.02f1d0b0@mail.primus.ca> Message-ID: <41AF40BE.2070408@rogers.com> Bill Mudry wrote: > Highways: > - From Oakville to Hamilton and beyond, take the QEW > eastbound and then the 403. Get off at the Dundas > exit and head east past Winston Churchill to Woodchester. > Turn right and take the entrance to the Mall right there on > your left. Mulligans is right there. Turn left, right here. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 16:25:10 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:25:10 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <20041201230610.1397b636.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200412021125.11080.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On December 2, 2004 10:54 am, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Can you use a robots.txt file to block M$ like you can Google? you can, but there's no reason for micros~1 to obey it. i've been blocking all traffic from these ips since i realised they were from the redmond giant: 207.46.98.0/24 65.54.188.0/24 but they've somehow managed to get my sites anyway -- i suspect it's through one of the smaller search engines i see spidering my sites regularly. does anyone know who's in bed with microsoft and therefore who else i should be blocking? -- You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here. - Jayne, Firefly, "The Train Job" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 19:00:15 2004 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:00:15 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <200412020515.51491.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041202050213.19137.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> <200412020515.51491.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <41AF663F.6040303@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason Shein wrote: | http://www.spidertrack.org/index.php?page=spider&spider=MSNBot | | big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables | rules. Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1723 - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBr2Y+gfzn5SevSpoRAsoPAJ0aQLgUxOvbOAXE6erGcFICI2nLyQCfZCsD rD8qe7qeXMfYmnoGq7XpIF8= =OIRn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 19:28:53 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:28:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41AF663F.6040303-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <41AF663F.6040303@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andrew Hammond wrote: > | big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables > | rules. > > Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? For services where you do have a daemon that's going to answer on the port, you can get somewhat the same effect without any patches: pass *only* packets that have the SYN bit set, and discard any that don't. To the other end, it looks like his connection succeeded, but he can't seem to get any response from it. To your end, the connection hasn't *quite* succeeded yet, and so your system doesn't bother the daemon about it. (TCP connection setup uses a "three-way" handshake: initiator sends a request, responder replies with approval, initiator sends confirmation. Only the first two of those have the SYN bit set.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 19:45:27 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:45:27 -0500 Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: <41AE714B.8040400-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20041202194527.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 08:35:07PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have been trying to burn a CD under Linux using K3b (which basically > uses the standard mkisofs, cdrdao, cdrecord tools) which will be > recognized by Windows as an AUTORUNable CD. So far I have had no success. > > I have an AUTORUN.INF file which specifies a batch script to be run by > Windows. I have tried burning this under Windows, and it works fine (so > my file is not the problem). In fact under windows I didn't have to do > anything special (no special options or anything), which leads me to > believe there is something wrong with my CD (or specifically mkisofs) setup. > > Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a place > where I can get the information)? My search on google has turned up > people with similar questions, but no answers :(. What filenames are you using? If any are more than 8.3 you must enable Joliet support in the cd writing setup to allow Windows to get the full filenames. Otherwise windows gets some hacked up 8.3 versions of the original filenames. Other than that I am not aware of anything special about the way autorun should be done. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 20:52:08 2004 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:52:08 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <200412010425.27423.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason Shein wrote: | Does anyone on this list have any experience with IBM serveraid? | | I have 2 identical Netfinity 5600's setup with RAID 5 across 5 18gb drives, 3 | live, 2 hot spares. I am constantly having drives go DDD ( amber light ). Why on earth would you configure your disk that way?! If you've got 5 18G disks and need 36G storage, then it's a no brainer: RAID 10 + 1 hotspare. Don't use the RAID card for anything but JBOD. Aside from the performance sucking, it creates a huge SPOF. The only thing of any real value on a hardware RAID card is battery backed write cache. If possible, get a split backplane and put the two halves of the mirror on different SCSI channels, preferably on different SCSI cards. With the advent of reliable software RAID, I have never seen an application in which a RAID card was a good idea. You can _always_ do RAID 10 faster and safer in the kernel. If you really need high performance or high availabliltiy, then look at a SAN / disk array solution. Otherwise, dozens of 10kRPM SATA disks hung off an inexpensive 3ware or highpoint controller doing JBOD is obviously the way to go. Before some idiot suggests using RAID3/4/5 to get more storage out of your disk, I should point out that they are over complicated, processor intensive solutions to a problem that doesn't exist anymore. You'd think they would just go away in this age of super cheap disk. It is pretty stupid to believe that it is more economic to waste hours of sysadmin time, degrade performance and risk data to save a couple of thousand bucks on disk. - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBr4B3gfzn5SevSpoRAkHnAJ98ML7+b86DR+z7FylpAylhg9YphQCfQziF c2Y+fJgN+hngIF9EG4f7UAY= =zGmQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 21:03:02 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:03:02 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <41AE3FCA.5070807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> <200412011105.44866.sniffy@rogers.com> <99a6c38f041201133240535cbb@mail.gmail.com> <41AE3FCA.5070807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f041202130362a91213@mail.gmail.com> It was just a thought and possible pointer; a utility that protects filesystem integrity might be a potential culprit - not necessarily the cause or solution, just something to keep in mind. Tripwire actually bit me in this way once... It went something like: check the file I wanted to edit, edit it, check it again - Good! The edits were saved... Then a few minutes later it would just revert back to the original copy after it had been updated. Since the situation came up in a production environment, I found it rather educational. Sometimes things that happen to a system appear to come right out of nowhere... I only had a passing acquaintance with Tripwire at the time. (although that has changed a little now. :-) One of the things the experience taught me anyway, was not to discount unobvious or "distant" possibilities. The thread's topic was sufficiently similar to the experience I had and thought I'd mention it just in case. - Scott. On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:54 -0500, James Knott wrote: > psema4 wrote: > > Not entirely certain about this one, but if I remember correctly, some > > utilities (tripwire comes to mind) will protect certain system files > > from being changed... Effectively quarantining the modified system > > files and replacing the modified copy with a "good copy" stored in > > it's database. > > > > Not sure if it's relevant or not, but might be something worth looking > > at if you're running tripwire or something similar. > > Why do it that way, when the dhcp client provides the proper method? > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 21:48:39 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 02 Dec 2004 16:48:39 -0500 Subject: follow up to 'Linux Admin/Perl Dev Position at LPI' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi again, Just a follow up to some questions that were raised by the earlier job posting. 1. No relocation is required for this position. Nor is it encouraged. The successful candidate will be required to deal with people working in the North American time zones on a daily basis, though. 2. If the successful candidate will be working remotely [LPI's office is in Toronto, Canada], reliable high-speed internet access will be required. 3. Although we are encouraging people from the less-developed countries in the South America and EMEA area to apply, all applications from everywhere will be considered. Even from North America [the least developed region in the world when it comes to OSS adoption, IMO ;)]. I have included the original job posting below, too. Regards, Matthew Rice > LPI currently has a job opening for a LPIC-1 level sysadmin with Perl > development experience. The full job decscription may be found at: > > https://group.lpi.org/cgi-bin/publicwiki/view/Operations/SysAdminJobDescription > > This position will be a 6 to 12 month contract and may be renewed for an > additional term. > > Although all qualified applicants will be thoughtfully considered > LPI specifically invites applicants from the South America and EMEA > areas to apply for this position. We are a global organization and as > such we need to balance our staff representation with employees from > less-developed nations. We believe this extra consideration is in > keeping with a community-minded certification. > > Please submit your resume in an open format to resumes-6+cD4/kH8Z0 at public.gmane.org > Only shortlisted applicants will be contacted. -- g. matthew rice starnix, toronto, ontario, ca phone: 647.722.5301 x242 gpg id: EF9AAD20 http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 22:30:52 2004 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:30:52 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41AF979C.9090906@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's pretty nice! :) Henry Spencer wrote: | On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andrew Hammond wrote: | |>| big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables |>| rules. |> |>Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? | | | For services where you do have a daemon that's going to answer on the | port, you can get somewhat the same effect without any patches: pass | *only* packets that have the SYN bit set, and discard any that don't. To | the other end, it looks like his connection succeeded, but he can't seem | to get any response from it. To your end, the connection hasn't *quite* | succeeded yet, and so your system doesn't bother the daemon about it. | | (TCP connection setup uses a "three-way" handshake: initiator sends a | request, responder replies with approval, initiator sends confirmation. | Only the first two of those have the SYN bit set.) | | Henry Spencer | henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org | | -- | The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org | TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns | How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBr5ebgfzn5SevSpoRAjmXAJ9O9AYH+CfmqPTRQDTBB0BR7xkHLwCgh7m8 fyVyfLpizei3MMvFb09ND44= =pycP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 22:59:53 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:59:53 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41AF663F.6040303-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041202050213.19137.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> <200412020515.51491.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF663F.6040303@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <200412021759.53483.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On December 2, 2004 02:00 pm, Andrew Hammond wrote: > Jason Shein wrote: > | http://www.spidertrack.org/index.php?page=spider&spider=MSNBot > | > | big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables > | rules. > > Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? > > http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1723 cool trick. but i went into my kernel config and couldn't find it. where abouts is it? or do i have to enable something else before it becomes available? -- it's hard not to believe tv it's spent so much time raising us - bart simpson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 23:24:39 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:24:39 -0500 Subject: FC3 - Stop '/etc/resolv.conf' from being changed, how? In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f041202130362a91213-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41ADE9E3.3080607@alteeve.com> <200412011105.44866.sniffy@rogers.com> <99a6c38f041201133240535cbb@mail.gmail.com> <41AE3FCA.5070807@rogers.com> <99a6c38f041202130362a91213@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f041202152474b93cdb@mail.gmail.com> Now that I've reread the thread, I seem to recall being on another world at the time I replied. ;-) Didn't catch the keywords "when I switch networks." Lol. Talk about things coming out of nowhere - sheesh! My bad. - Scott. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:03:02 -0500, psema4 wrote: > It was just a thought and possible pointer; a utility that protects > filesystem integrity might be a potential culprit - not necessarily > the cause or solution, just something to keep in mind. > > Tripwire actually bit me in this way once... It went something like: > check the file I wanted to edit, edit it, check it again - Good! The > edits were saved... Then a few minutes later it would just revert > back to the original copy after it had been updated. > > Since the situation came up in a production environment, I found it > rather educational. Sometimes things that happen to a system appear > to come right out of nowhere... I only had a passing acquaintance > with Tripwire at the time. (although that has changed a little now. > :-) > > One of the things the experience taught me anyway, was not to discount > unobvious or "distant" possibilities. The thread's topic was > sufficiently similar to the experience I had and thought I'd mention > it just in case. > > - Scott. > > > > On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:54 -0500, James Knott wrote: > > psema4 wrote: > > > Not entirely certain about this one, but if I remember correctly, some > > > utilities (tripwire comes to mind) will protect certain system files > > > from being changed... Effectively quarantining the modified system > > > files and replacing the modified copy with a "good copy" stored in > > > it's database. > > > > > > Not sure if it's relevant or not, but might be something worth looking > > > at if you're running tripwire or something similar. > > > > Why do it that way, when the dhcp client provides the proper method? > > -- > > > > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 2 23:52:57 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:52:57 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41AF979C.9090906-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <41AF979C.9090906@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20041202235257.GA990@node1.opengeometry.net> > Henry Spencer wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andrew Hammond wrote: > >>Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? > > > > > > For services where you do have a daemon that's going to answer on > > the port, you can get somewhat the same effect without any patches: > > pass *only* packets that have the SYN bit set, and discard any that > > don't. To the other end, it looks like his connection succeeded, > > but he can't seem to get any response from it. To your end, the > > connection hasn't *quite* succeeded yet, and so your system doesn't > > bother the daemon about it. > > > > (TCP connection setup uses a "three-way" handshake: initiator sends > > a request, responder replies with approval, initiator sends > > confirmation. Only the first two of those have the SYN bit set.) Once I accept the packet with SYN bit set, doesn't IPTable consider any subsequent packets ESTABLISHED or RELATED (otherwise, previously "seen")? Or, is IPTable smart enough to know that remote is requesting TCP connection which is in the middle of being established? -- William Park Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 08:49:01 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:49:01 +0200 (IST) Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: <41AE714B.8040400-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have been trying to burn a CD under Linux using K3b (which basically uses > the standard mkisofs, cdrdao, cdrecord tools) which will be recognized by > Windows as an AUTORUNable CD. So far I have had no success. > > I have an AUTORUN.INF file which specifies a batch script to be run by > Windows. I have tried burning this under Windows, and it works fine (so my > file is not the problem). In fact under windows I didn't have to do anything > special (no special options or anything), which leads me to believe there is > something wrong with my CD (or specifically mkisofs) setup. > > Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a place > where I can get the information)? My search on google has turned up people > with similar questions, but no answers :(. I did it with cdrecord and it worked. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 1 17:11:17 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:11:17 +0200 (IST) Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) (solved) In-Reply-To: <20041201142843.GO8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041201142843.GO8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 02:17:49AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> Please disregard the messages with this subject. My server works >> perfectly, the problem is in the clients. The clients (browsers) are >> optimised to 'share' a connection. Using unoptimised clients (netpipes, >> wget, etc) allows perfect concurrent operation. >> >> Now, how to cause 2 or more mozilla firefox instances to access the same >> stream atthe same time while running on the same desktop ? > > If you are doing HTTP connections, you could just make your server > return an http 1.0 header rather than 1.1, since 1.0 does NOT allow > persistent connections. That should prevent the browser from trying to > use the same connection again and again. You still have to force the > browser to try multiple connections at once of course. > > There should also be a setting in the browser to control how many > simultanious connections it will make. But ... I *want* persistent connections. I am experimenting with streams. thanks, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 08:52:18 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:52:18 +0200 (IST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Austin wrote: > Hmm, I'm having the weirdest thing going on with my website... maybe > someone can offer insight. > > I've had this address crawling all over my site lately, which is okay. > Recently it started visiting more often, and reloading the same pages > repeatedly. By today, it was pounding two of my pages "recent posts" > and "leave feedback" form, several times per minute. It's not really > consuming that much bandwidth, but it's filling up my logs with useless > quasi-spam. > > So guess who's IP it is? > > [austin at n1 rpm]$ whois 207.46.98.47 > OrgName: Microsoft Corp > OrgID: MSFT > Address: One Microsoft Way > City: Redmond > StateProv: WA > > So either the microsoft search bot is messed up treating my site like a > punching bag, or someone at MS is being a dick, or a machine at head > office has been compromised and is being used to do malicious stuff. > > I dunno, I guess it's a bit off topic, but I'd love to hear your ideas. > > Austin > > P.S. It's a linux server, http://groundstate.ca running Drupal. There are rumors that borg is collecting info on linux users and their habits in more than one place. It could be a bot programmed to make digests about users and activity, or a human borg extension doing the same. Time to password those pages imho. It could also be a borg employee looking after future employment security. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 14:06:33 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:06:33 -0500 Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) (solved) In-Reply-To: References: <20041201142843.GO8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041203140633.GT8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 07:11:17PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >If you are doing HTTP connections, you could just make your server > >return an http 1.0 header rather than 1.1, since 1.0 does NOT allow > >persistent connections. That should prevent the browser from trying to > >use the same connection again and again. You still have to force the > >browser to try multiple connections at once of course. > > > >There should also be a setting in the browser to control how many > >simultanious connections it will make. > > But ... I *want* persistent connections. I am experimenting with streams. Well a stream should just be one contiinous data flow through a connection. It has nothing to do with persistant connections. persistant connections means multiple endependant http requests will be done through one socket connection (so without closing it at the end of the first request. If the browser won't do multiple streams at a time, perhaps it's connection limit is set too low. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:28:12 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:28:12 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? Message-ID: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for 24 hours now ... -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robt-JoPBQnXCRdTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:34:12 2004 From: robt-JoPBQnXCRdTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Robert Turcott) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:34:12 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <200412031028.12777.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for 24 hours > now ... > Check their 'Website' now. It's a message saying Bell has cut of their service because of billing disputes. Our business has (had) two connections, one with the-wire the other with istop. I'm looking to replace the istop one. Any suggestions for ISP's? -rob -- This mail from robt Certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 14:40:07 2004 From: doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org (doug mackenzie) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 9:40:07 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Message-ID: <200412031540.iB3FeCK19549@optimal.optimalweb.com> Hello! Is there a place where I can purchase mandrake 10 in the downtown area? I went to the u of t bookstore last night and was disappointed to find that they no longer carry mandrake :-( thanks in advance, doug -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:43:47 2004 From: f.e.jack-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andy Jack) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:43:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <200412031028.12777.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20041203154347.GA21652@seahorse> On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 10:28:12AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for 24 hours > now ... ==== >From www.istop.com: IStop.com service disruption We regret that Bell Canada, in direct contravention of its contractual obligations to us, has suspended service to IStop over disputed billings. IStop has repeatedly brought Bell's errors to its attention, without receiving a response. IStop has also attempted to invoke the dispute resolution clause of its contract with Bell, which requires that disputes be arbitrated. Bell has refused to participate. We have directed our lawyers to deal with Bell to arbitrate and to end the suspension of service; so far, Bell continues to refuse to reply. We have detailed Bell's billing errors, which include duplicate charges, rate errors, and tariff contraventions. Unfortunately, Bell appears to believe that, as a giant dealing with smaller businesses, it need not concern itself with correcting mistakes or adhering to contracts. We will continue to try to resolve this issue as quickly as possible. We are working with other ISPs to make temporary arrangements to restore service to our customers. We expect to have this in place by noon today (Friday). Customers will be given credits or refunds for the service disruption. ==== -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:43:26 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:43:26 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> Message-ID: <002701c4d94e$d4453b80$6401a8c0@pcfrancois> Look communications is (still) a friendly outfit despite their size... www.look.ca and it's all canadian! Fran?ois Ouellette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Turcott" To: Sent: Friday, 03 December, 2004 10:34 Subject: Re: [TLUG]: OT: Istop kaput? > Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for 24 hours > > now ... > > > Check their 'Website' now. It's a message saying Bell has cut of their > service because of billing disputes. > Our business has (had) two connections, one with the-wire the other with > istop. I'm looking to replace the istop one. Any suggestions for ISP's? > > -rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:45:40 2004 From: leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:45:40 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <200412031540.iB3FeCK19549-1WMj+xH3/BXVn112aYXkUuctO0aYwRK9@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031540.iB3FeCK19549@optimal.optimalweb.com> Message-ID: <1102088740.20092.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have a pressed copy of 10.0 community that i'd be glad to give you. cd's only though. -Leigh On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 09:40 -0500, doug mackenzie wrote: > Hello! > Is there a place where I can purchase mandrake 10 in the downtown area? I > went to the u of t bookstore last night and was disappointed to find that > they no longer carry mandrake :-( > > thanks in advance, > doug > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 15:48:30 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:48:30 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Message-ID: Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 and 10.1beta1 -----Original Message----- From: doug mackenzie [mailto:doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org] Sent: December 3, 2004 9:40 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Hello! Is there a place where I can purchase mandrake 10 in the downtown area? I went to the u of t bookstore last night and was disappointed to find that they no longer carry mandrake :-( thanks in advance, doug -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41b0891d94881700852882! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 16:09:37 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:09:37 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <41B08774.1030601-JoPBQnXCRdTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> Message-ID: <200412031109.37156.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 03 December 2004 10:34, Robert Turcott wrote: > Check their 'Website' now. ?It's a message saying Bell has cut of their > service because of billing disputes. Yup figures, that came up immediately after I posted the message ;-) > Our business has (had) two connections, one with the-wire the other with > istop. ?I'm looking to replace the istop one. If istop gets things together today I think I'll stay with them for now. I would be surprised if Ralph's account of events on their webpage is not 100% accurate, whether Bell is being knowingly anti-competitive or just thoroughly incompetent is anyone's guess. I have had experiences with Bell's billing and support services recently that reenforced for me what a complete joke they are. Billing departments that can't find me based on account number, phone number or company name, one account number on the bill, a different account number on the support documentation I was given, getting an inferior service to what was requested, etc, etc. I'm convinced they only stay in business by bullying the little guy. That being said I haven't been too happy with istop customer communications. I have tolerated several outages in the past, all around a few hours or less, with absolutely no communications to clients (not on their maintenance mailing list or on their network status pages). >?Any suggestions for ISP's? A friend of mine found http://www.teksavvy.com/ ... I know nothing about them. I've heard good things in the past about eol.ca but they might have gone the way of the dodo based on their new webpage. Don't know of any others right now. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 16:41:13 2004 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:41:13 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <200412031109.37156.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> <200412031109.37156.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1102092073.41b09729382b8@www.almatau.com> Quoting Fraser Campbell : ... > A friend of mine found http://www.teksavvy.com/ ... I know nothing about > them. > I've heard good things in the past about eol.ca but they might have gone the > way of the dodo based on their new webpage. Don't know of any others right > now. This nice link was posted in this list a couple of weeks ago: http://www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/ispsearch.cgi?sp=ON ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ryan-TmYVyGByI+TYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 16:52:36 2004 From: ryan-TmYVyGByI+TYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Ryan Sanders) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:52:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <1102092073.41b09729382b8-KF6ThnGZjeO1XNean4zUJw@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> <200412031109.37156.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1102092073.41b09729382b8@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: We use Wiznet (http://www.wiznet.ca) for our corporate network, and I am very pleased with their service, as well as their notifications if there are any possible outages. I also use AEI at home, and I am super happy with their residential service. The nice thing about AEI is that they are small, independent, reliable, and cheap. -Ryan On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Quoting Fraser Campbell : > > ... > > A friend of mine found http://www.teksavvy.com/ ... I know nothing about > > them. > > I've heard good things in the past about eol.ca but they might have gone the > > way of the dodo based on their new webpage. Don't know of any others right > > now. > > This nice link was posted in this list a couple of weeks ago: > http://www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/ispsearch.cgi?sp=ON > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Sanders IT Coordinator ICLEI - World Secretariat 16th Floor, West Tower, City Hall 100 Queen Street West Toronto, ON / Canada M5H 2N2 Ph: +1-416/392/1471 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:00:23 2004 From: JimS-pFJmkVL1u50 at public.gmane.org (Jim Skehill) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:00:23 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Message-ID: <33678E78A2DD4D418396703A750048D4BD2015@RIKER> In case your intimidating by the whole download/CD burn thing ... I got my introduction to Mandrake via Linux Format Magazine (http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/) and the December issue comes with Mandrake 10.1 on CD or DVD. You'll find the Magazine in most large book store (e.g. Indigo, Chapters). -----Original Message----- From: doug mackenzie [mailto:doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:40 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Hello! Is there a place where I can purchase mandrake 10 in the downtown area? I went to the u of t bookstore last night and was disappointed to find that they no longer carry mandrake :-( thanks in advance, doug -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ doug-pOxTxMRH1nMdnm+yROfE0A at public.gmane.org ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:03:00 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> Phillip Qin wrote: > Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 and > 10.1beta1 Or download it right from Mandrake. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:07:15 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:07:15 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages are private, it begged the question, whois? OrgName: Microsoft Corp OrgID: MSFT Address: One Microsoft Way City: Redmond StateProv: WA PostalCode: 98052 Country: US Nice. :( On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:52:18 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Austin wrote: > > > Hmm, I'm having the weirdest thing going on with my website... maybe > > someone can offer insight. > > > > I've had this address crawling all over my site lately, which is okay. > > Recently it started visiting more often, and reloading the same pages > > repeatedly. By today, it was pounding two of my pages "recent posts" > > and "leave feedback" form, several times per minute. It's not really > > consuming that much bandwidth, but it's filling up my logs with useless > > quasi-spam. > > > > So guess who's IP it is? > > > > [austin at n1 rpm]$ whois 207.46.98.47 > > OrgName: Microsoft Corp > > OrgID: MSFT > > Address: One Microsoft Way > > City: Redmond > > StateProv: WA > > > > So either the microsoft search bot is messed up treating my site like a > > punching bag, or someone at MS is being a dick, or a machine at head > > office has been compromised and is being used to do malicious stuff. > > > > I dunno, I guess it's a bit off topic, but I'd love to hear your ideas. > > > > Austin > > > > P.S. It's a linux server, http://groundstate.ca running Drupal. > > There are rumors that borg is collecting info on linux users and their > habits in more than one place. It could be a bot programmed to make > digests about users and activity, or a human borg extension doing the > same. Time to password those pages imho. It could also be a borg employee > looking after future employment security. > > Peter > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:15:33 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:15:33 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1102094133.6395.13.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:07 -0500, psema4 wrote: > When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been > trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages > are private, it begged the question, whois? > > OrgName: Microsoft Corp Yeah, it's very yuck. Whereas google reads a few pages of my site each day, MS crawls the entire site a few times per day, hitting certain pages up to 100 times for no obvious reason. If I block one of their IP's, in true Borg fashion, a new IP starts appearing in the logs. ;-) Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:15:38 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:15:38 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <1102094133.6395.13.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> <1102094133.6395.13.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <41B09F3A.2030208@rogers.com> Austin wrote: > On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:07 -0500, psema4 wrote: > >>When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been >>trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages >>are private, it begged the question, whois? >> >>OrgName: Microsoft Corp > > > Yeah, it's very yuck. > > Whereas google reads a few pages of my site each day, MS crawls the > entire site a few times per day, hitting certain pages up to 100 times > for no obvious reason. > > If I block one of their IP's, in true Borg fashion, a new IP starts > appearing in the logs. ;-) You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:33:47 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:33:47 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41B09F3A.2030208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> <1102094133.6395.13.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> <41B09F3A.2030208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <99a6c38f0412030933500e75d9@mail.gmail.com> It's part of the reason i love the philosophies behind free/libre and open source software (floss). Resistance is futile. Is it just me or are peoples attitudes changing everywhere in regards to "extrinsic" thinking? How many epicenters are there in the world's great floss-quake? I don't think Microsoft likes it very much. The borg does not understand. Good. If they want to drive away customers, then I think they're doing a marvellous job. :-) On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:15:38 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Austin wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:07 -0500, psema4 wrote: > > > >>When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been > >>trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages > >>are private, it begged the question, whois? > >> > >>OrgName: Microsoft Corp > > > > > > Yeah, it's very yuck. > > > > Whereas google reads a few pages of my site each day, MS crawls the > > entire site a few times per day, hitting certain pages up to 100 times > > for no obvious reason. > > > > If I block one of their IP's, in true Borg fashion, a new IP starts > > appearing in the logs. ;-) > > You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 17:57:13 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:57:13 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <41B09C44.7010902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Phillip Qin wrote: > > Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 and > > 10.1beta1 > > Or download it right from Mandrake. Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? - Adam Raymond -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 18:01:29 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:01:29 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Message-ID: http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/3317681/ref=br_bx_1_c_1_2/701-6 158188-6193168 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Raymond [mailto:streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org] Sent: December 3, 2004 12:57 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Phillip Qin wrote: > > Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 > > and 10.1beta1 > > Or download it right from Mandrake. Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? - Adam Raymond -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41b0a91e109217324337517! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 19:30:51 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:30:51 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <41B08774.1030601-JoPBQnXCRdTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <41B08774.1030601@degama.com> Message-ID: <20041203193050.GA988@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 10:34:12AM -0500, Robert Turcott wrote: > Fraser Campbell wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for > >24 hours now ... > > > Check their 'Website' now. It's a message saying Bell has cut of > their service because of billing disputes. Our business has (had) two > connections, one with the-wire the other with istop. I'm looking to > replace the istop one. Any suggestions for ISP's? I'm using eol.ca which is now owned by Primus. By the way, Robert, please tell The-Wire to bounce email to the envelope sender, and not to From: header. I'm getting all your bounces. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 19:50:22 2004 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <200412021759.53483.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041202050213.19137.qmail@web54701.mail.yahoo.com> <200412020515.51491.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF663F.6040303@ca.afilias.info> <200412021759.53483.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <41B0C37E.3040405@ca.afilias.info> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 daniel wrote: | On December 2, 2004 02:00 pm, Andrew Hammond wrote: | |>Jason Shein wrote: |>| http://www.spidertrack.org/index.php?page=spider&spider=MSNBot |>| |>| big list of IP's used by the bot(s) here. time to make some new iptables |>| rules. |> |>Why DROP or REJECT when you can TARPIT? |> |>http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1723 | | | cool trick. | but i went into my kernel config and couldn't find it. where abouts is it? | or do i have to enable something else before it becomes available? I think it still requires the patch-o-matic to get it in there. The article mentions this... - -- Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Database Administrator, Afilias Canada Corp. CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBsMN8gfzn5SevSpoRAnsyAKDIBVyLLrDzcfFpMC6thvrGoKqDEACfW14A IzzKLNCujI5XrFWIsY832Qk= =L0nT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 21:01:03 2004 From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:01:03 -0500 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: <200412031028.12777.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <41B0D40F.10309@canada.com> They are up now. The Internet connection has been reestablished around 11:30 and the email servers are accessible since around 3:00 this afternoon. Gilles Fraser Campbell wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone here know the status of istop? They have been down for 24 hours >now ... > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 21:39:02 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:39:02 -0500 Subject: IBM serveraid and linux In-Reply-To: <41AF8078.5020301-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <200412010425.27423.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <41AF8078.5020301@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:52:08 -0500, Andrew Hammond wrote: > Before some idiot suggests using RAID3/4/5 to get more storage out of > your disk, I should point out that they are over complicated, processor > intensive solutions to a problem that doesn't exist anymore. You'd think > they would just go away in this age of super cheap disk. It is pretty > stupid to believe that it is more economic to waste hours of sysadmin > time, degrade performance and risk data to save a couple of thousand > bucks on disk. For completeness' sake, I will point people to http://www.tpc.org and the database benchmark systems there. The highest performing systems have 6400 (six thousand four hundred) HDs. Now you try to tell them to use mirroring instead of RAID5... ;) http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_result_detail.asp?id=104111801 -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 3 22:13:17 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:13:17 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B0E4FD.6080904@rogers.com> Adam Raymond wrote: > On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Phillip Qin wrote: >> >>>Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 and >>>10.1beta1 >> >>Or download it right from Mandrake. > > > Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed > CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? Well, if you want them pressed, I've got an iron and board here, collecting dust. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 00:06:59 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:06:59 -0500 Subject: (self-PR) An article in LinuxGazette.net Message-ID: <20041204000659.GA1521@node1.opengeometry.net> For your reading pleasure, http://linuxgazette.net/109/park.html :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 02:01:12 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:01:12 -0500 Subject: IBM getting out of PC business Message-ID: <20041204020112.GA2030@node1.opengeometry.net> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/03/ibm_pc_jv_lenovo/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 05:51:42 2004 From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:51:42 -0500 Subject: Live CD for iBook In-Reply-To: <631537210.20041126151550-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <631537210.20041126151550@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412040051.42804.mervc@eol.ca> On Friday 26 November 2004 3:15, Matt Cahill wrote: > Hey folks, > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a recently (last 6 > months) upgraded Linux-based Live CD to try on an inherited iBook? > I can't seem to find anything that's either recent or > recommendable. > > Thanks in advance, > > Matt Take a look at distrowatch.com to see the top 100. Many of the new ones use knoppix as a base for hardware detection. I've gone through about 15 in the past few weeks and today dl'd Mepis and the install missed my scsi scanner and scsi ZIP drive for some reason. Apart from that the Live CD installs easily to a harddrive partition if you are happy with the hardware detection. There are smaller downloads to try - Vector Linux is pretty new and smallish. Merv -- Merv Curley Toronto, Ont. Can Mepis Linux KMail 1.7 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 06:16:52 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 01:16:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <20041202235257.GA990-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041202235257.GA990@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > > pass *only* packets that have the SYN bit set... > > Once I accept the packet with SYN bit set, doesn't IPTable consider any > subsequent packets ESTABLISHED or RELATED (otherwise, previously > "seen")? Or, is IPTable smart enough to know that remote is requesting > TCP connection which is in the middle of being established? It's been a long time since I looked at setting this up with iptables... don't know the answer to that one offhand. I'm sure there's a way to tell it not to get clever -- to give you filtering of each and every packet -- but I don't remember how. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 09:43:40 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:43:40 +0200 (IST) Subject: simple forking server -> problem (C) (fwd) (solved) In-Reply-To: <20041203140633.GT8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041201142843.GO8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041203140633.GT8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 07:11:17PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >>> If you are doing HTTP connections, you could just make your server >>> return an http 1.0 header rather than 1.1, since 1.0 does NOT allow >>> persistent connections. That should prevent the browser from trying to >>> use the same connection again and again. You still have to force the >>> browser to try multiple connections at once of course. >>> >>> There should also be a setting in the browser to control how many >>> simultanious connections it will make. >> >> But ... I *want* persistent connections. I am experimenting with streams. > > Well a stream should just be one contiinous data flow through a > connection. It has nothing to do with persistant connections. > persistant connections means multiple endependant http requests will be > done through one socket connection (so without closing it at the end of > the first request. > > If the browser won't do multiple streams at a time, perhaps it's > connection limit is set too low. In this case I use multiplexed streams, where the stream is a sequence of MIME encapsulated blocks that pass through the same connection, which is held open. So there should be exactly one open connection per client, followed by one request, followed by one response which consists of stream data, sent as MIME encapsulated blocks through that open connection. And that is so, but not with the browsers which optimise the connection. So 'my' side of the problem is ok, it's the browsers that do not like this mode. Again, wget, netpipe etc all work ok with this mode. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 10:04:01 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:04:01 +0200 (IST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <1102094133.6395.13.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> <1102094133.6395.13.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Austin wrote: > On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:07 -0500, psema4 wrote: >> When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been >> trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages >> are private, it begged the question, whois? >> >> OrgName: Microsoft Corp > > Yeah, it's very yuck. > > Whereas google reads a few pages of my site each day, MS crawls the > entire site a few times per day, hitting certain pages up to 100 times > for no obvious reason. > > If I block one of their IP's, in true Borg fashion, a new IP starts > appearing in the logs. ;-) How about running thttpd ? And direct persistent interest to a tarpit ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 10:06:36 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:06:36 +0200 (IST) Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: <41B09F3A.2030208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1101951508.5348.5.camel@localhost> <99a6c38f04120309076bb23e1f@mail.gmail.com> <1102094133.6395.13.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> <41B09F3A.2030208@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, James Knott wrote: > Austin wrote: >> On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 12:07 -0500, psema4 wrote: >> >>> When I got in last night, I ran a traceroute on an IP that's been >>> trying to get into the member centers on my bbs. Since those pages >>> are private, it begged the question, whois? >>> >>> OrgName: Microsoft Corp >> >> >> Yeah, it's very yuck. >> >> Whereas google reads a few pages of my site each day, MS crawls the >> entire site a few times per day, hitting certain pages up to 100 times >> for no obvious reason. >> >> If I block one of their IP's, in true Borg fashion, a new IP starts >> appearing in the logs. ;-) > > You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Hmm, here is a simple trick: put an image on the website that contains the day's password and user name, and protect the entire site with this. Users need to enter from the top and type it in, after which their current session will keep them in until they leave the realm. Simple to do using .htaccess and a small hassle to users (you can post an apology with an explanation). This would be a stopgap measure. If the burrowing continues after that, it's a human behind it and you will need to take further steps. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 10:07:35 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:07:35 +0200 (IST) Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Adam Raymond wrote: > On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, James Knott wrote: >> Phillip Qin wrote: >>> Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 and >>> 10.1beta1 >> >> Or download it right from Mandrake. > > Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed > CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? Change the cd drive. You should have luck for $20 or less. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 10:54:09 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:54:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Break-In Attempt -- Now What? In-Reply-To: References: <20041130160029.GA8076@antec> Message-ID: <20041204105047.T60177@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Taavi Burns wrote: > On 30 Nov 2004 15:59:40 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: >> Alex Beamish writes: >> Even better is to disable password based logins, allowing only key based >> logins. This secures you against dictionary based attacks. Barring flaws in >> ssh itself, an attacker would need your private ssh key and associated pass >> phrase to get into your computer via ssh. > > Just the private ssh key, afaik. Now, to GET the private ssh key, an attacker > would need to get access to your key file (which would be located on a USB > memory stick or laptop or wherever you're logging in FROM) AND your > associated passphrase in order to decrypt the key file (key file + passphrase > = private key). > > At least that's my understanding. :) Hi Taavi. Both the private key and the passphrase are needed to effect a break in, in this manner. This is the point, otherwise ssh would not bother with passphrases (you can use null passphrases for automated connections but this lowers the bar when it comes to security). Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 11:31:47 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:31:47 +0200 (IST) Subject: that 3d patent thing again Message-ID: http://nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=104 There is a Hydra with 1,000 heads somewhere and they keep popping up. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 16:19:03 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:19:03 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: References: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:07:35 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres wrote: > Change the cd drive. You should have luck for $20 or less. > > Peter > I have tyred to put my CD ROM from my desktop PC into the P2 computer. The computer wouldn't detect the cdrom drive. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 16:49:13 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:49:13 -0500 Subject: place to buy Mandrake... Message-ID: <41B1EA89.40704@sympatico.ca> Adam Raymond wrote: >I have tyred to put my CD ROM from my desktop PC into the P2 computer. >The computer wouldn't detect the cdrom drive. > A couple of possibilities. It could be the ribbon cable because they do deteriorate over time. Also, some manufacturers (Compaq for one) used Cable Select rather than the Master/Slave arrangement that is more standard. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 16:57:16 2004 From: webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Craig Routledge) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:57:16 +0000 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: (from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Sat Dec 4 01:16:52 2004) References: Message-ID: <1102179436l.4963l.0l@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > > > pass *only* packets that have the SYN bit set... > > > > Once I accept the packet with SYN bit set, doesn't IPTable consider any > > subsequent packets ESTABLISHED or RELATED (otherwise, previously > > "seen")? Or, is IPTable smart enough to know that remote is requesting > > TCP connection which is in the middle of being established? On 12/04/2004 01:16:52 AM, Henry Spencer wrote: > It's been a long time since I looked at setting this up with iptables... > don't know the answer to that one offhand. I'm sure there's a way to > tell it not to get clever -- to give you filtering of each and every > packet -- but I don't remember how. As I recall, processing of the rules stops when it encounters the first match -- unless you use an option in the rule to do otherwise. So it should be possible as long as the custom rule appears before the ESTABLISHED or RELATED rule. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 18:12:41 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:12:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Request for Projector Message-ID: <20041204181126.M64648@nirmala.opentrend.net> Hi all. The talk coming up on Dec 14 requires a projector that can do 1024 x 768. Can anyone help out the club with this? Thanks, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 21:25:55 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:25:55 +0200 (IST) Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B09C44.7010902@rogers.com> <34e8a43d04120309571bb0059d@mail.gmail.com> <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Adam Raymond wrote: > On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:07:35 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres > wrote: >> Change the cd drive. You should have luck for $20 or less. >> >> Peter >> > > I have tyred to put my CD ROM from my desktop PC into the P2 computer. > The computer wouldn't detect the cdrom drive. It's not supposed to. Linux will however. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 21:48:51 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 16:48:51 -0500 Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <41B230C3.3070205@truxtar.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >> >> Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a >> place where I can get the information)? My search on google has turned >> up people with similar questions, but no answers :(. > > > I did it with cdrecord and it worked. Well, I tried it with cdrecord, and then I noticed that my file was called Autorun.ini not *Autorun.inf*. I changed the filename, burned with cdrecord and it worked! But thanks for the suggestion anyways. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 22:02:17 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:02:17 +0200 (IST) Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: <41B230C3.3070205-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> <41B230C3.3070205@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a place >>> where I can get the information)? My search on google has turned up >>> people with similar questions, but no answers :(. >> >> >> I did it with cdrecord and it worked. > > Well, I tried it with cdrecord, and then I noticed that my file was called > Autorun.ini not *Autorun.inf*. I changed the filename, burned with cdrecord > and it worked! > > But thanks for the suggestion anyways. Did you implement the icon thing too ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 22:24:07 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:24:07 -0500 Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> <41B230C3.3070205@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <41B23907.8070609@truxtar.com> Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > >> Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how to burn autorun-capable CDs under Linux (or a >>>> place where I can get the information)? My search on google has >>>> turned up people with similar questions, but no answers :(. >>> >>> >>> >>> I did it with cdrecord and it worked. >> >> >> Well, I tried it with cdrecord, and then I noticed that my file was >> called Autorun.ini not *Autorun.inf*. I changed the filename, burned >> with cdrecord and it worked! >> >> But thanks for the suggestion anyways. > > > Did you implement the icon thing too ? No, but I believe it would work. It should be as simple as adding 'icon=xyz.ico' after the 'run=' line. Actually, I don't know which program to use to create Windows .ico files (or whatever the extention is). Any ideas? -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 22:34:35 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:34:35 +0200 (IST) Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: <41B23907.8070609-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> <41B230C3.3070205@truxtar.com> <41B23907.8070609@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >> Did you implement the icon thing too ? > > No, but I believe it would work. It should be as simple as adding > 'icon=xyz.ico' after the 'run=' line. > > Actually, I don't know which program to use to create Windows .ico files (or > whatever the extention is). Any ideas? You have to use an icon editor under W32. I think that gimp knows this format, not sure. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 02:00:40 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:00:40 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool Message-ID: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> Hi there! Does any one knows .so dynamic library mangling tool? I have to modify precompiled library ( there is no sources at all till Monday, but I have to finish my stuff before that time ) and issue is: this library cannot find gzread, gzopen, etc. because in library's header is no such thing as NEEDED libz.so. I have to modify that library to add there that field: NEEDED libz.so but I cannot remember any tool who can mangle the libraries in such way. If someone knows any tool, which allows to do such stuff, can you send me the name, or answer here if somebody will be interested as well. All the Best! Sergey. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 02:34:56 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 04 Dec 2004 21:34:56 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <41B26BC8.7000308-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Sergey Kuznetsov writes: > Hi there! > > Does any one knows .so dynamic library mangling tool? > > I have to modify precompiled library ( there is no sources at all till > Monday, but I have to finish my stuff before that time ) > and issue is: this library cannot find gzread, gzopen, etc. because in > library's header is no such thing as NEEDED libz.so. > > I have to modify that library to add there that field: NEEDED libz.so > but I cannot remember any tool who can mangle > the libraries in such way. > > If someone knows any tool, which allows to do such stuff, can you send > me the name, or answer here if somebody > will be interested as well. > I don't know what distribution you are using, but libz is as far as I know part of most and perhaps all basic gnu/linux systems. Take a long hard look at your installation files as you may in fact already have libz somewhere. In slackware it is part of the 'a' series in aaa_elflibs-9.2.0-i486-1.tgz Hoping this might throw some light on your problem -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 03:12:46 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:12:46 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <87mzwtpj5b.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> May be my thoughts was presented in a wrong way. I perfectly know that libz.so is a part of any distribution ( I am using Gentoo ) The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right place, at /lib directory ) but with the .so file itself. that file is a optional part of the Asterisk PBX program, and it's G.729 codec library, and specifically for GLIB 2.3 X86_64 platform under Gentoo. The error Asterisk gives me is: [codec_g729a.so]Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:248 ast_load_resource: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/codec_g729a.so: undefined symbol: gzread Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:429 load_modules: Loading module codec_g729a.so failed! The ldd saying about codec_g729a.so is: # ldd codec_g729a.so libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0000002a9567d000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x000000552aaaa000) The nm -D codec_g729a.so saying is: U gzclose U gzdopen U gzread The nm -D /lib/libz.so saying is: 00000000000035f0 T gzclose 00000000000026a0 T gzdopen 0000000000002ab0 T gzread The objdump -x codec_g729a.so saying is: Dynamic Section: NEEDED libc.so.6 INIT 0x35c0 As you can see here is the NEEDED libz.so is absent. And this is I am trying to fix. Thats why I need such tool who can mangle the any library's header I want. All the Best! Sergey. SlackRat wrote: >Sergey Kuznetsov writes: > > > >>Hi there! >> >>Does any one knows .so dynamic library mangling tool? >> >>I have to modify precompiled library ( there is no sources at all till >>Monday, but I have to finish my stuff before that time ) >>and issue is: this library cannot find gzread, gzopen, etc. because in >>library's header is no such thing as NEEDED libz.so. >> >>I have to modify that library to add there that field: NEEDED libz.so >>but I cannot remember any tool who can mangle >>the libraries in such way. >> >>If someone knows any tool, which allows to do such stuff, can you send >>me the name, or answer here if somebody >>will be interested as well. >> >> >> > >I don't know what distribution you are using, but libz is as far as I know >part of most and perhaps all basic gnu/linux systems. > >Take a long hard look at your installation files as you may in fact already >have libz somewhere. > >In slackware it is part of the 'a' series in aaa_elflibs-9.2.0-i486-1.tgz > >Hoping this might throw some light on your problem > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 4 23:43:14 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:43:14 +0000 Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> <41B23907.8070609@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200412042343.14189.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On December 4, 2004 10:34 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > >> Did you implement the icon thing too ? > > > > No, but I believe it would work. It should be as simple as adding > > 'icon=xyz.ico' after the 'run=' line. > > > > Actually, I don't know which program to use to create Windows .ico files > > (or whatever the extention is). Any ideas? > > You have to use an icon editor under W32. I think that gimp knows this > format, not sure. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml I have heard that gimp 2.2 will support .ico files this should work for now You need an image file that GIMP can open (PNG, GIF, etc.). And you need the command line tool ppmtowinicon from the netpbm-tools. Now perform the following actions: Open your image with GIMP. If your image is not a square then resize the canvas with GIMP. Scale the image to 16x16 pixel (Image, Scale image). Choose File, save as.. and save as favicon.pnm with raw encoding. Close GIMP Convert favicon.pnm using the command line utility ppmtowinicon: #ppmtowinicon -output favicon.ico favicon.pnm -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 05:17:36 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:17:36 -0500 Subject: place to buy Mandrake... In-Reply-To: <41B1EA89.40704-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B1EA89.40704@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <34e8a43d04120421172ebc2a98@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 11:49:13 -0500, John McGregor wrote: > A couple of possibilities. It could be the ribbon cable because they do > deteriorate over time. Also, some manufacturers (Compaq for one) used > Cable Select rather than the Master/Slave arrangement that is more standard. > > John > I used a new ribbon cable. So I don't that that is the issue, and Im pretty sure I set the jumpers to Master, Slave and CS just to see if it would work. -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 07:35:54 2004 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 02:35:54 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <41B27CAE.9020306-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 10:12:46PM -0500, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right place, > at /lib directory ) > but with the .so file itself. > that file is a optional part of the Asterisk PBX program, and it's G.729 > codec library, > and specifically for GLIB 2.3 X86_64 platform under Gentoo. > The error Asterisk gives me is: > > [codec_g729a.so]Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:248 > ast_load_resource: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/codec_g729a.so: undefined > symbol: gzread > Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:429 load_modules: Loading > module codec_g729a.so failed! > > The ldd saying about codec_g729a.so is: > # ldd codec_g729a.so > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0000002a9567d000) > /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 > (0x000000552aaaa000) > > The nm -D codec_g729a.so saying is: > U gzclose > U gzdopen > U gzread > > The nm -D /lib/libz.so saying is: > 00000000000035f0 T gzclose > 00000000000026a0 T gzdopen > 0000000000002ab0 T gzread > > The objdump -x codec_g729a.so saying is: > Dynamic Section: > NEEDED libc.so.6 > INIT 0x35c0 > > As you can see here is the NEEDED libz.so is absent. And this is I am > trying to fix. Thats why I need such tool who can mangle the any > library's header I want. > I assume that setting the LD_PRELOAD environment variable is not an option in your situation. I don't know of any single tool that will do that. Perhaps you might be able to carve the library up with objcopy and re-build it using ld and a specially crafted linker script in order to get both NEEDED entries. If you have write perms on /usr/local/lib, I might try building a customized libc to which the libz modules have been added, making it reachable via /usr/local/lib/libZ.so.6 (making sure that libZ is unique in your system). Ensure that its internal SONAME is "libZ.so.6" (vi makes a good binary editor), run ldconfig, then use a patched codec_g729a.so with the "libc.so.6" string in the file suitably altered. -- Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 14:18:45 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:18:45 -0500 Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs Message-ID: <41B318C5.4050505@sympatico.ca> In attempts to install ubuntu, on my thinkpad, I failed several times using a freshly burned CD, even though the md5 sums were good. Then, using an official ubuntu CD, it worked like a charm. I have also read about other folks whose CDrom drives would only worked with "pressed" CDs, not "burned" CDs. What's the difference ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 15:27:08 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:27:08 -0500 Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs In-Reply-To: <41B318C5.4050505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B318C5.4050505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200412051027.09943.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 05 December 2004 09:18, David J Patrick wrote: > In attempts to install ubuntu, on my thinkpad, I failed several times > using a freshly burned CD, even though the md5 sums were good. Then, > using an official ubuntu CD, it worked like a charm. I have also read > about other folks whose CDrom drives would only worked with "pressed" > CDs, not "burned" CDs. What's the difference ? Recently I was doing a lot of Debian installs with modified versions of the installer CD. Instead of thowing out dozens of discs I wanted to use rewriteables. I had Maxell 1x-4x CDRWs. The Maxells burned just fine, the md5sums checked out, and the disks even booted and worked properly on most systems that I tried. However when it came to an IBM xseries server (brand new) it would not boot. By accident I discovered that the CDs might actually be able to boot ... after a little more than 30 minutes the Debian Installer splash screen appeared, and pressing enter the kernel did start to load but the progress was painfully slow (4 dots after 20 minutes). Some of the Maxells had never been burned, some of those that I tried were reburns. I tried reducing the burn rate to 1x but that made no difference. I went out and purchased some alternate 4x-10x CDRW media (5 verbatim, 1 fujifilm) and the IBM booted those absolutely fine ... verbatim burned at 10x and I believe fujifilm had burned at 4x. So I don't know what the difference really is but I'd be willing to bet that there is media out there that will work for you. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 15:29:21 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:29:21 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200412051029.21406.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 04 December 2004 11:19, Adam Raymond wrote: > wrote: > > Change the cd drive. You should have luck for $20 or less. > > > > Peter > > I have tyred to put my CD ROM from my desktop PC into the P2 computer. > The computer wouldn't detect the cdrom drive. Are the IDE channels in your BIOS at least set to autodetect? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 15:40:08 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:40:08 +0200 (IST) Subject: netbsd 1.6.1 slice mounted under linux 2.4.x freezes linux Message-ID: I have encountered this problem when mounting a 1.6.1 slice on a wd disk under linux 2.4 (Debian based). The reverse case (mounting ext2 from netbsd) did not cause a lockup. The mount options from the linux side were -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd,rw and the lockup occured when attempting to write. Reads worked. Has anyone seen this and is there a related bug report somewhere ? (I have not seen one) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:20:33 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:20:33 -0500 Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs In-Reply-To: <200412051027.09943.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41B318C5.4050505@sympatico.ca> <200412051027.09943.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <34e8a43d04120508206724ad90@mail.gmail.com> > On Sunday 05 December 2004 09:18, David J Patrick wrote: > > > In attempts to install ubuntu, on my thinkpad, I failed several times > > using a freshly burned CD, even though the md5 sums were good. Then, > > using an official ubuntu CD, it worked like a charm. I have also read > > about other folks whose CDrom drives would only worked with "pressed" > > CDs, not "burned" CDs. What's the difference ? > I haven't had any trouble with my laptop CD ROM drive. But my old P2 drive does not read "unburnt" CD's. I think its simply due to the fact that the technology back when they made that CD ROM wasn't made to read burnt CD's. However. Pressed M$ CD's and an old Linux RedHat 5 Pressed disk I had lying around worked. No good for me, but I just needed to prove that pressed disks worked. -Adam Raymond -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:23:51 2004 From: streetsmart2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adam Raymond) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:23:51 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <200412051029.21406.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <34e8a43d04120408196bfda6e3@mail.gmail.com> <200412051029.21406.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <34e8a43d04120508233a730444@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:29:21 -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Are the IDE channels in your BIOS at least set to autodetect? > Yup, the only thing I see wrong is that the BIOS battery isn't installed. Could that somehow affect the booting? -- - Adam Raymond - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:49:06 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:49:06 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041205073554.GE68924-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <41B33C02.8000904@deeptown.org> Steve Harvey wrote: >On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 10:12:46PM -0500, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > >>The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right place, >>at /lib directory ) >>but with the .so file itself. >>that file is a optional part of the Asterisk PBX program, and it's G.729 >>codec library, >>and specifically for GLIB 2.3 X86_64 platform under Gentoo. >>The error Asterisk gives me is: >> >>[codec_g729a.so]Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:248 >>ast_load_resource: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/codec_g729a.so: undefined >>symbol: gzread >>Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:429 load_modules: Loading >>module codec_g729a.so failed! >> >>The ldd saying about codec_g729a.so is: >># ldd codec_g729a.so >> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0000002a9567d000) >> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 >>(0x000000552aaaa000) >> >>The nm -D codec_g729a.so saying is: >> U gzclose >> U gzdopen >> U gzread >> >>The nm -D /lib/libz.so saying is: >>00000000000035f0 T gzclose >>00000000000026a0 T gzdopen >>0000000000002ab0 T gzread >> >>The objdump -x codec_g729a.so saying is: >>Dynamic Section: >> NEEDED libc.so.6 >> INIT 0x35c0 >> >>As you can see here is the NEEDED libz.so is absent. And this is I am >>trying to fix. Thats why I need such tool who can mangle the any >>library's header I want. >> >> >> > I assume that setting the LD_PRELOAD environment variable is not an >option in your situation. > > I don't know of any single tool that will do that. Perhaps you might >be able to carve the library up with objcopy and re-build it using ld >and a specially crafted linker script in order to get both NEEDED >entries. > > If you have write perms on /usr/local/lib, I might try building a >customized libc to which the libz modules have been added, making it >reachable via /usr/local/lib/libZ.so.6 (making sure that libZ is unique >in your system). Ensure that its internal SONAME is "libZ.so.6" (vi >makes a good binary editor), run ldconfig, then use a patched >codec_g729a.so with the "libc.so.6" string in the file suitably altered. > > > LD_PRELOAD - does it!!!! Thanks a looooooooooot Steve! I completely forgot about LD_PRELOAD. IT did the trick. All the Best! Sergey. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:08:13 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:08:13 +0200 (IST) Subject: Burning (Windows) autorun-capable CDs In-Reply-To: <200412042343.14189.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41AE714B.8040400@truxtar.com> <41B23907.8070609@truxtar.com> <200412042343.14189.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Jason Shein wrote: > On December 4, 2004 10:34 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >>>> Did you implement the icon thing too ? >>> >>> No, but I believe it would work. It should be as simple as adding >>> 'icon=xyz.ico' after the 'run=' line. >>> >>> Actually, I don't know which program to use to create Windows .ico files >>> (or whatever the extention is). Any ideas? >> >> You have to use an icon editor under W32. I think that gimp knows this >> format, not sure. >> >> Peter >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > I have heard that gimp 2.2 will support .ico files > > this should work for now > > You need an image file that GIMP can open (PNG, GIF, etc.). And you need the > command line tool ppmtowinicon from the netpbm-tools. Now perform the > following actions: > > Open your image with GIMP. > If your image is not a square then resize the canvas with GIMP. > Scale the image to 16x16 pixel (Image, Scale image). > Choose File, save as.. and save as favicon.pnm with raw encoding. > Close GIMP > Convert favicon.pnm using the command line utility ppmtowinicon: > > #ppmtowinicon -output favicon.ico favicon.pnm Thanks for sharing that. Is the format of the little .ico files that appear in web browser url windows the same as the windows .ico format ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:35:41 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:35:41 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041205073554.GE68924-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: Also try to use the flags --whole-archive and --export-all-symbols . Be careful what you do with libc, it can break the system. Imho try to make a chrooted environment for experimenting. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:06:50 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:06:50 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <41B27CAE.9020306-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right place, at > /lib directory ) ld -fpic -shared library1.so library2.so library3.so ... -o newlibrary.so You need to move the first library to another name (carefully) and name the output library after it. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 16:18:56 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:18:56 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041205073554.GE68924-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: > On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 10:12:46PM -0500, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: >> The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right place, >> at /lib directory ) >> but with the .so file itself. >> that file is a optional part of the Asterisk PBX program, and it's G.729 >> codec library, >> and specifically for GLIB 2.3 X86_64 platform under Gentoo. >> The error Asterisk gives me is: >> >> [codec_g729a.so]Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:248 >> ast_load_resource: /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/codec_g729a.so: undefined >> symbol: gzread >> Dec 4 19:34:04 WARNING[16384]: loader.c:429 load_modules: Loading >> module codec_g729a.so failed! >> >> The ldd saying about codec_g729a.so is: >> # ldd codec_g729a.so >> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x0000002a9567d000) >> /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 >> (0x000000552aaaa000) >> >> The nm -D codec_g729a.so saying is: >> U gzclose >> U gzdopen >> U gzread >> >> The nm -D /lib/libz.so saying is: >> 00000000000035f0 T gzclose >> 00000000000026a0 T gzdopen >> 0000000000002ab0 T gzread >> >> The objdump -x codec_g729a.so saying is: >> Dynamic Section: >> NEEDED libc.so.6 >> INIT 0x35c0 >> >> As you can see here is the NEEDED libz.so is absent. And this is I am >> trying to fix. Thats why I need such tool who can mangle the any >> library's header I want. >> > I assume that setting the LD_PRELOAD environment variable is not an > option in your situation. > > I don't know of any single tool that will do that. Perhaps you might > be able to carve the library up with objcopy and re-build it using ld > and a specially crafted linker script in order to get both NEEDED > entries. > > If you have write perms on /usr/local/lib, I might try building a > customized libc to which the libz modules have been added, making it > reachable via /usr/local/lib/libZ.so.6 (making sure that libZ is unique > in your system). Ensure that its internal SONAME is "libZ.so.6" (vi > makes a good binary editor), run ldconfig, then use a patched > codec_g729a.so with the "libc.so.6" string in the file suitably altered. ld -shared -fpic -soname=libZ.so.6 ... -o /lib/hacked/libc.so.6 would work great imho. ld can concatenate as many libraries as you need. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 18:41:00 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:41:00 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> Message-ID: <41B3563C.2080604@deeptown.org> Thanks Peter! I thought about it, but never tried. I'll put it in my knowledge base. All the Best! Sergey. Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > >> The issue was not the library itself ( the library at the right >> place, at /lib directory ) > > > ld -fpic -shared library1.so library2.so library3.so ... -o newlibrary.so > > You need to move the first library to another name (carefully) and > name the output library after it. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:07:06 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:07:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs In-Reply-To: <41B318C5.4050505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B318C5.4050505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > ...other folks whose CDrom drives would only worked with "pressed" > CDs, not "burned" CDs. What's the difference ? Well, the fast answer is that are *different media* and they can look different to the drive. Especially if that "CDROM drive" is not really a CDROM drive, but a DVD drive that also reads CDROMs, as is now common. Pressed CDROMs have actual microscopic pits pressed into a reflective aluminum layer, and then covered over with transparent plastic. (For those who remember vinyl records, the production process is similar, to the point that many vinyl-record plants were converted to CD production.) CD-R and CD-RW media are essentially a blank CDROM with a heat-sensitive layer on top of the reflective layer: in a CD-R it's organic dye that can be (more or less literally) burned by heat from the writing laser; in a CD-RW it's a complex metal alloy which can be in one of two states, which reflect different amounts of light, depending on how hot it got the last time it was heated. The thing to understand is that these aren't optically equivalent, not at all. The aluminum layer in a CDROM is highly reflective over a very wide range of light wavelengths, and generally is a very favorable case for reader hardware. The dye layer in a CD-R is optimized for the laser wavelength used in standard CDROM drives, and many early or cheap DVD drives have trouble with it. DVDs use a shorter wavelength for higher resolution, and that's very badly matched to CD-R dyes, to the point that the good DVD drives don't even try to use the DVD laser on CD-Rs -- they simply have two lasers, one for each wavelength. CD-RW disks have a different problem: they're very dark and have poor contrast, relative to CDROMs. The reflective and nonreflective states of the metal alloy are both fairly poor reflectors, and moreover they don't differ nearly as much as pit vs. smooth aluminum in a CDROM or clear vs. burned dye in a CD-R. This again can make trouble in marginal cases. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 19:39:31 2004 From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (psema4) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:39:31 -0500 Subject: that 3d patent thing again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99a6c38f04120511393e00fd7f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:31:47 +0200 (IST), Peter L. Peres wrote: > > http://nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=104 > > There is a Hydra with 1,000 heads somewhere and they keep popping up. This is a couple weeks old, but still an interesting article on microsoft, the gpl, the wto, and software patents: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/19/microsoft_wto_winning_without_firing/ (Microsoft has applied for a patent on the IS NOT operator?!?!?) -- - SGE "To understand recusion, one must first understand recursion." ( quoted from True ChAoS on /. ) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 5 22:27:08 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:27:08 -0500 Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B38B3C.4070901@truxtar.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > CD-RW disks have a different problem: they're very dark and have poor > contrast, relative to CDROMs. The reflective and nonreflective states of > the metal alloy are both fairly poor reflectors, and moreover they don't > differ nearly as much as pit vs. smooth aluminum in a CDROM or clear vs. > burned dye in a CD-R. This again can make trouble in marginal cases. My dad's laptop (with a DVD-R drive) stopped reading CD-R or even CD-ROM disks a while ago (seemed to deteorate over time). Surprisingly, it can still read CD-RW disks perfectly, as well as DVD-ROMS and DVD-R disks. I've tried different brands of CD-RW (Vertatim and Maxell) and they all work. Very weird. Just my 2 cents. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 00:27:33 2004 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:27:33 +1100 Subject: OT: Istop kaput? In-Reply-To: References: <200412031028.12777.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1102092073.41b09729382b8@www.almatau.com> Message-ID: <200412061127.33772.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Saturday 04 December 2004 03:52, Ryan Sanders wrote: > We use Wiznet (http://www.wiznet.ca) for our corporate network, and I am > very pleased with their service, as well as their notifications if there > are any possible outages. I also use AEI at home, and I am super happy > with their residential service. The nice thing about AEI is that they are > small, independent, reliable, and cheap. Refering to the AEI website, they don't mention that they support Linux at all. In these times, isn't that a gimme for ISP's, especially the smaller ones. My ideal ISP will provide a local (unmetered) Debian mirror. This is the best feature of Internode (www.internode.on.net) They also have mirrored internet Radio, which is also cool :) Regards, David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 02:42:53 2004 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:42:53 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <20041206024253.GA32452@shell.vex.net> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:18:56PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > ld -shared -fpic -soname=libZ.so.6 ... -o /lib/hacked/libc.so.6 would work > great imho. I was going to suggest using ld in this manner, however when I try copying a test library (adding a NEEDED entry), the filesize shrinks dramatically (to 8% of its original size!). ld -shared -fpic -lz --whole-archive libe2p.so.2.3 -o /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3 ls -l libe2p.so.2.3 /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 sgh users 1380 Dec 5 21:13 /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16696 Dec 10 2002 libe2p.so.2.3* A good idea of the amount of lost metadata can be shown by readelf -a run against each one. From just the size difference, I was loath to recommend such an approach. Since Sergey is running Gentoo, I didn't think it would be untoward to suggest rebuilding a library (as a non- root user to be safe). > > ld can concatenate as many libraries as you need. > > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 02:54:03 2004 From: ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:54:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: dhclient and Cogeco Message-ID: I just started using dhclient (RH9) today with Cogeco. It sends back a really weird hostname (x1-6-00-02-a5-84-57-40). How do I get it to send back the proper hostname like dhcpcd used to? Terry -- Terry Tanski, B.Sc. Phone: (416) 863-2126 Canada NewsWire Ltd. Fax: (416) 863-4825 20 Bay Street, Suite 1500 Email: ttanski-BEj8/MhvOJIsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Toronto, ON M5J 2N8 Web: http://www.newswire.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 02:56:42 2004 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:56:42 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <20041206025642.GB32452@shell.vex.net> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:35:41PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Also try to use the flags --whole-archive and --export-all-symbols . Be > careful what you do with libc, it can break the system. Imho try to make a > chrooted environment for experimenting. Isn't --export-all-symbols used only for building (Windows) DLLs? My version of ld doesn't recognize it as an option. I agree that modifying libc should be done *gingerly*. -- Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 04:44:07 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:44:07 -0500 Subject: Problem and solution activating internal PCI modem Message-ID: <20041206044407.GA7919@m1800> I'm an IStop customer, and my backup account at 295.ca came in handy last week. Having one external modem for 2 machines is a bit of a problem, however. One machine has a USR PCI internal modem which can be autodetected by wvdialconf on some distros, but not on others. I went to some extra trouble to get it working. Here's a snippet from "cat /proc/pci" Bus 0, device 16, function 0: Serial controller: 5610 56K FaxModem 56K FaxModem Model 5610 (rev 1). IRQ 9. I/O at 0x1470 [0x1477]. After a couple of hours of screwing around with setserial, I wasn't able to get any reaction from it. I finally stumbled over the answer by accident. The first 4 serial ports (ttyS0..ttyS3) seem to be reserved for modems that have their I/O ports in a "normal" range, i.e. 3 hex digits. Modems with I/O ports outside that range, have to use ttyS4 or higher. I had originally compiled my kernel with support for only 4 serial ports. As soon as I re-built it with support for 8 serial ports (5 probably would've been sufficient) wvdialconf was able to automagically detect the PCI modem and configure it as ttyS4. It was that simple. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 08:30:54 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:30:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041206024253.GA32452-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> <20041206024253.GA32452@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:18:56PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> ld -shared -fpic -soname=libZ.so.6 ... -o /lib/hacked/libc.so.6 would work >> great imho. > > I was going to suggest using ld in this manner, however when I try > copying a test library (adding a NEEDED entry), the filesize shrinks > dramatically (to 8% of its original size!). > > ld -shared -fpic -lz --whole-archive libe2p.so.2.3 -o /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3 > ls -l libe2p.so.2.3 /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3 > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 sgh users 1380 Dec 5 21:13 /tmp/libe2p2.so.2.3* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16696 Dec 10 2002 libe2p.so.2.3* > > A good idea of the amount of lost metadata can be shown by readelf -a > run against each one. From just the size difference, I was loath to > recommend such an approach. Since Sergey is running Gentoo, I didn't > think it would be untoward to suggest rebuilding a library (as a non- > root user to be safe). That would be good assuming he has the sources (he hasn't). The dynamic linking above does not lose data, it builds a stub library. Run ldd on the output library to see why. The real problem is that some dynamic linkers do not like this kind of recursion. ymmv. Afaik, it works under linux (current ld.so.2 etc). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 08:31:49 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:31:49 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041206025642.GB32452-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> <20041206025642.GB32452@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:35:41PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> Also try to use the flags --whole-archive and --export-all-symbols . Be >> careful what you do with libc, it can break the system. Imho try to make a >> chrooted environment for experimenting. > > Isn't --export-all-symbols used only for building (Windows) DLLs? > My version of ld doesn't recognize it as an option. I agree that > modifying libc should be done *gingerly*. Yesterday mine took it under linux. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 11:29:43 2004 From: sgh-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Steve Harvey) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 06:29:43 -0500 Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> <20041206025642.GB32452@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: <20041206112943.GC32452@shell.vex.net> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:31:49AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: > > >On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:35:41PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> > >>Also try to use the flags --whole-archive and --export-all-symbols . Be > >>careful what you do with libc, it can break the system. Imho try to make a > >>chrooted environment for experimenting. > > > > Isn't --export-all-symbols used only for building (Windows) DLLs? > >My version of ld doesn't recognize it as an option. I agree that > >modifying libc should be done *gingerly*. > > Yesterday mine took it under linux. Excised from the output of ld --help (Slackware 9.0) ld: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux efi-app-ia32 elf64-x86-64 elf64-little elf64-big elf32-little elf32-big srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex trad-core ld: supported emulations: elf_i386 i386linux elf_x86_64 Perhaps your build of ld includes support for the i386 PE target. -- Steve Harvey -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 13:12:02 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:12:02 -0500 Subject: dhclient and Cogeco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B45AA2.9090408@rogers.com> ttanski-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org wrote: > I just started using dhclient (RH9) today with Cogeco. It sends back a > really weird hostname (x1-6-00-02-a5-84-57-40). How do I get it to send > back the proper hostname like dhcpcd used to? What do you mean by proper host name? One you created? On Rogers, my host name contains both my firewall and modem MACs and is quite long. You can configure dhcpcd, to accept the assigned host name or not replace one you create. man dhcpcd and look for the -H option. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 14:26:33 2004 From: buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kaizilege Karoma) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 06:26:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flash Drives Message-ID: <20041206142633.58005.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Dear all, I am using I have two computers with linux installed (one with RedHat 8.0 and the other Fedora). Two weeks ago abought a Flash Disk (Drive) but I can not use it on my computers with Linux, please assist me on what to do so that I can enjoy my 512 USB flash disk. I am not expert on linux, I know some commands, I will appreciate the assistance with details on what to do. Regards, Kai __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 15:22:28 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:22:28 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? Message-ID: Yeah, 29.99 for a CD burner. -----Original Message----- From: Peter L. Peres [mailto:plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org] Sent: December 4, 2004 5:08 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Adam Raymond wrote: > On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:03:00 -0500, James Knott > wrote: >> Phillip Qin wrote: >>> Go to www.linuxiso.org, there are links to downloading Mandrake 10 >>> and 10.1beta1 >> >> Or download it right from Mandrake. > > Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed > CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? Change the cd drive. You should have luck for $20 or less. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml !DSPAM:41b19444214801026518171! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 16:40:56 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:40:56 -0500 Subject: Burned vs pressed CDs In-Reply-To: <200412051027.09943.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41B318C5.4050505@sympatico.ca> <200412051027.09943.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20041206164056.GU8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:27:08AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Sunday 05 December 2004 09:18, David J Patrick wrote: > > > In attempts to install ubuntu, on my thinkpad, I failed several times > > using a freshly burned CD, even though the md5 sums were good. Then, > > using an official ubuntu CD, it worked like a charm. I have also read > > about other folks whose CDrom drives would only worked with "pressed" > > CDs, not "burned" CDs. What's the difference ? > > Recently I was doing a lot of Debian installs with modified versions of the > installer CD. Instead of thowing out dozens of discs I wanted to use > rewriteables. I had Maxell 1x-4x CDRWs. > > The Maxells burned just fine, the md5sums checked out, and the disks even > booted and worked properly on most systems that I tried. However when it > came to an IBM xseries server (brand new) it would not boot. By accident I > discovered that the CDs might actually be able to boot ... after a little > more than 30 minutes the Debian Installer splash screen appeared, and > pressing enter the kernel did start to load but the progress was painfully > slow (4 dots after 20 minutes). Some of the Maxells had never been burned, > some of those that I tried were reburns. I tried reducing the burn rate to > 1x but that made no difference. > > I went out and purchased some alternate 4x-10x CDRW media (5 verbatim, 1 > fujifilm) and the IBM booted those absolutely fine ... verbatim burned at 10x > and I believe fujifilm had burned at 4x. > > So I don't know what the difference really is but I'd be willing to bet that > there is media out there that will work for you. There are different types of CD-RW media. There is the original CD-RW format (1x to 4x), then there is highspeed CD-RW (4x - 10x) and then there is ultraspeed CD-RW (10x+), and a writer needs the right type of media to write. You can't write a 10x high speed cd-rw in a 4x cd-rw burner at all. Hence the reason the logo on the media is different. Some drives can not read any cd-rw, some can read certain types, but not necesarily very well. But the different types of CD-RW are indeed very different physically. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 16:43:48 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:43:48 -0500 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B48C44.9080408@sympatico.ca> I have purchased boxed Mandrake twice from Staples/ Business Depot, but then one day, after they had a big Mocro$haft promotion, they ceased to carry Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat and/or linux books or ref cards.. I never fail to inquire about linux products when I'm in there. I ask a sales clerk, then, when he gives me a blank stare, I go to the manager. "You used to carry linux" I'll say, "I've bought it here before. Do you think it's getting /less/ popular ?" "Why don't you carry it ?, could be one of your suppliers is controlling your policy ? hmmmm ?" On one occasion I had a junior employee wildly enthusiastic about knoppix and chomping at the bit to get it. I think I'll start to visit Staples and quietly reboot the machines with knoppix and/or ubuntu live. Phillip Qin wrote: > > > Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed > > CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? > now you're dreaming ! ;-) Boxed Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and soon Novel, somewhere, maybe (UofT ?). Gentoo & Slackware presume a level of expertise that includes the ability to download and burn. This situation is what motivated me to open linuxcaffe. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 17:58:30 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 06 Dec 2004 12:58:30 -0500 Subject: Flash Drives In-Reply-To: <20041206142633.58005.qmail-y0K4SeyJ1eaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041206142633.58005.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kaizilege Karoma writes: > Dear all, > I am using I have two computers with linux installed > (one with RedHat 8.0 and the other Fedora). > Two weeks ago abought a Flash Disk (Drive) but I can > not use it on my computers with Linux, please assist > me on what to do so that I can enjoy my 512 USB flash > disk. > > I am not expert on linux, I know some commands, I will > appreciate the assistance with details on what to do. If you have USB setup correctly, Linux will automatically load the necessary drivers (usb-storage and sd_mod) when you insert the USB stick. You can verify this by running lsmod: % /sbin/lsmod It may load usb-storage but not sd_mod, in which case you can load sd_mod yourself. As root: # modprobe sd_mod If it didn't load usb-storage then USB isn't configured correctly or your USB stick is not recognized as a storage device by the USB subsystem. Hopefully this won't be the case. With the modules properly loaded, you can access your USB stick as a SCSI disk. Assuming you have no other SCSI devices, your USB stick will be the first SCSI disk, i.e. sda. You can see how it's partitioned with: # fdisk -l /dev/sda Out of the box, most USB sticks have a singled partition formatted with and MSDOS (or VFAT) file system. You would mount this partition like this: # mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt where /mnt is the desired mount point. You can mount it anywhere you like. To make this easier, you can add an entry to your fstab. Like this: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat noauto,user 0 0 This will allow you to mount it as an ordinary user: % mount /mnt/usb Hope this helps, -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 18:14:09 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:14:09 +0200 (IST) Subject: .so dynamic library mangling tool In-Reply-To: <20041206112943.GC32452-bEteefDXIgtmcu3hnIyYJQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B26BC8.7000308@deeptown.org> <87mzwtpj5b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41B27CAE.9020306@deeptown.org> <20041205073554.GE68924@shell.vex.net> <20041206025642.GB32452@shell.vex.net> <20041206112943.GC32452@shell.vex.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:31:49AM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Steve Harvey wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:35:41PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >>>> >>>> Also try to use the flags --whole-archive and --export-all-symbols . Be >>>> careful what you do with libc, it can break the system. Imho try to make a >>>> chrooted environment for experimenting. >>> >>> Isn't --export-all-symbols used only for building (Windows) DLLs? >>> My version of ld doesn't recognize it as an option. I agree that >>> modifying libc should be done *gingerly*. >> >> Yesterday mine took it under linux. > > Excised from the output of ld --help (Slackware 9.0) > > ld: supported targets: elf32-i386 a.out-i386-linux efi-app-ia32 > elf64-x86-64 elf64-little elf64-big elf32-little elf32-big > srec symbolsrec tekhex binary ihex trad-core > ld: supported emulations: elf_i386 i386linux elf_x86_64 > > Perhaps your build of ld includes support for the i386 PE target. It does, and you are right, it is not what is needed here. I went and I looked in my records: -shared -fpic -nostdlib was what I used to make a .so library. Also, I had luck using ar on *.a libs to do relinking. The .so relinking above *should* work imho but I just checked using an old example of mine and it does not. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 6 18:15:49 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:15:49 +0200 (IST) Subject: Flash Drives In-Reply-To: <20041206142633.58005.qmail-y0K4SeyJ1eaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041206142633.58005.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > Dear all, > I am using I have two computers with linux installed > (one with RedHat 8.0 and the other Fedora). > Two weeks ago abought a Flash Disk (Drive) but I can > not use it on my computers with Linux, please assist > me on what to do so that I can enjoy my 512 USB flash > disk. > > I am not expert on linux, I know some commands, I will > appreciate the assistance with details on what to do. Put the drive into the usb slot and then look at the file /var/log/messages (at its end). There should be some info there. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 00:43:20 2004 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:43:20 +1100 Subject: place to buy mandrake 10 in downtown toronto? In-Reply-To: <41B48C44.9080408-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B48C44.9080408@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200412071143.20798.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Tuesday 07 December 2004 03:43, David J Patrick wrote: > I think I'll start to visit Staples and quietly reboot the machines with > knoppix and/or ubuntu live. Haha! I like it! ;) > Phillip Qin wrote: > > > Good question. I have a CD drive, that will only read from pressed > > > CD's. Is there any stores that might carry Gentoo or Slackware? > > now you're dreaming ! ;-) > Boxed Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat, and soon Novel, somewhere, maybe (UofT ?). > Gentoo & Slackware presume a level of expertise that includes the > ability to download and burn. Most of our University book stores carry those distributions. You can even buy Woody cds (all 7)... but sadly, no sarge net-install disks...maybe when it's stable. > This situation is what motivated me to open linuxcaffe. Can't wait. -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 02:36:15 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:36:15 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? Message-ID: I go to Centennial College, and if you want to get software, you go to the (Microsoft-run) "Academic Alliance," which distributes (you guessed it) free Microsoft software. I want to start some kind of Free Software club, but I don't really know what we could do, besides burn CDs and distribute them. Does anyone have any suggestions? We do have a Unix (Red Hat on IBM S/390) course and the teacher is very enthusiastic about free software, so there is a bit of a springboard. Perhaps lobbying the IT staff to add Firefox to the default install image... ;) I'd appreciate any advice that you could offer! P.S. I have a working 32x CD-ROM drive that reads burned CDs, if there's still anyone working out pressed disc issues. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 03:34:07 2004 From: denisov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Igor Denisov) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:34:07 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Does Centennial IT run a common image on _all_ of its Wintel machines? If so, it might be a little hard to convince IT to abandon their status-quo-easy-support-M$-only scheme. I'd still try though :-) Also, I'd get together with friends, ones that aren't even necessarily into free software, and simply show them its advantages. I got a few of my friends to try/switch to Linux (SuSE / Debian) this way, after talking about how it is better than Windoze for about 2 months -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 04:42:55 2004 From: adb-tlug-AbAJl/g/NLXk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (Anthony de Boer) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:42:55 -0500 Subject: strange MS visits In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 01:16:52AM -0500 References: <20041202235257.GA990@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041206234255.O15858@leftmind.net> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > Once I accept the packet with SYN bit set, doesn't IPTable consider any > > subsequent packets ESTABLISHED or RELATED (otherwise, previously > > "seen")? Or, is IPTable smart enough to know that remote is requesting > > TCP connection which is in the middle of being established? > > It's been a long time since I looked at setting this up with iptables... You don't have to use the connection-tracking stuff with iptables; you can build a traditional stateless ruleset with it just as well. If one is building really big Linux routers, one finds that the connection-tracking table can get unreasonably large, and a configuration that doesn't pull it in can be better. However, in most cases it is useful (and note that NAT is built on it, too). -- Anthony de Boer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 04:43:42 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:43:42 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:34:07 -0500, Igor Denisov wrote: > Does Centennial IT run a common image on _all_ of its Wintel machines? Yes, they've got Deep Freeze (effectively re-images on cold boot) and they blast an updated image onto every machine via Norton Ghost at the start of each year. > If so, it might be a little hard to convince IT to abandon their > status-quo-easy-support-M$-only scheme. > I'd still try though :-) The whole school is quite in love with MS. Well, in as much as anyone but Steve Ballmer can love it. However, it's pretty hard to argue "why not Firefox." All of the web applications on the intranet work great. No pop-ups. More secure. Maybe with a bit of nudging, petitioning, protesting.. :) > Also, I'd get together with friends, ones that aren't even necessarily > into free software, and simply show them its advantages. > I got a few of my friends to try/switch to Linux (SuSE / Debian) this > way, after talking about how it is better than Windoze for about 2 > months Well I've got one Ubutntu convert, and getting individuals to switch to Firefox usually just takes a 5-minute demo. Official clubs get a bit of funding, and only require 25 signatures. Money would help with advertising, burning discs, etc. Basically what I think this club *should* do is remind students and staff that the real world isn't homogenous and that being able to add "GNU/Linux" to your resume gives you a real edge in IT. It's worked for me so far. :) -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 05:25:13 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 07 Dec 2004 00:25:13 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Mike Newman writes: > > Perhaps lobbying the IT staff to add Firefox to the default install image... ;) > Without wanting to be too negative, this user has just dumped FireFox and gone back to using Opera. I too had been swept away by the FireBird/FireFox/WhatYaMayCallIt Mystique, and it definitely has a number of great features. But every release, and patches thereto, is getting quirkier than it's precedecessor. Opera, on the other hand admittedly has a few quirks of its own, but after using it long enough to firstly discover its idiosyncracies and secondly appreciate its power, it is difficult to justify using FireFox. So when compiling a 'free' software listing, at least acknowledge that other browsers/user agents exist, particularly since Opera has now reduced the size of its nag ads, which were the reason I abandoned it temporarily, to an almost unintrusive size. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 05:59:41 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:59:41 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041207055941.GA6043@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:34:07PM -0500, Igor Denisov wrote: > Does Centennial IT run a common image on _all_ of its Wintel machines? > > If so, it might be a little hard to convince IT to abandon their > status-quo-easy-support-M$-only scheme. > I'd still try though :-) > > Also, I'd get together with friends, ones that aren't even necessarily > into free software, and simply show them its advantages. > I got a few of my friends to try/switch to Linux (SuSE / Debian) this > way, after talking about how it is better than Windoze for about 2 > months Yes -- that method may take a bit of persistence, but it does seem to work! That's how my friend switched me over :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 14:05:55 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:05:55 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <87is7ebrye.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:25:13AM -0500, SlackRat wrote: > Without wanting to be too negative, this user has just dumped FireFox and gone > back to using Opera. > > I too had been swept away by the FireBird/FireFox/WhatYaMayCallIt Mystique, > and it definitely has a number of great features. But every release, and > patches thereto, is getting quirkier than it's precedecessor. I find it gets better and better, at least the Debian builds. > Opera, on the other hand admittedly has a few quirks of its own, but after > using it long enough to firstly discover its idiosyncracies and secondly > appreciate its power, it is difficult to justify using FireFox. > > So when compiling a 'free' software listing, at least acknowledge that other > browsers/user agents exist, particularly since Opera has now reduced the size > of its nag ads, which were the reason I abandoned it temporarily, to an > almost unintrusive size. I personally tend to have both opera and firefox running, since opera unfortunately sucks at a few web sites. The main thing I like about opera is that at least when it crashes (which is infrequent) or you kill it, it remembers what pages you were on and goes back to the same state when you open it. If firefox did that (and reliably) I think I could ditch opera permanently with no regrets. But for now I use two browsers at the same time. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 14:06:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:06:47 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207055941.GA6043-bi+AKbBUZKYixQ47wEiE9CZQAMfR3pTKK3IcII9JpMhskR5iP2gl4NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <20041207055941.GA6043@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041207140647.GW8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:59:41AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: [snip] > > Also, I'd get together with friends, ones that aren't even necessarily > > into free software, and simply show them its advantages. > > I got a few of my friends to try/switch to Linux (SuSE / Debian) this > > way, after talking about how it is better than Windoze for about 2 > > months > > Yes -- that method may take a bit of persistence, but it does seem to > work! That's how my friend switched me over :-) You mean people switch because they want to, not just to make the nagging go away? :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 14:37:50 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:37:50 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207140555.GV8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:05:55 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I personally tend to have both opera and firefox running, since opera > unfortunately sucks at a few web sites. The main thing I like about > opera is that at least when it crashes (which is infrequent) or you kill > it, it remembers what pages you were on and goes back to the same state > when you open it. If firefox did that (and reliably) I think I could > ditch opera permanently with no regrets. But for now I use two browsers > at the same time. The rewritten SessionSaver extension features Crash Recovery! http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166 -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 16:32:56 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:32:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041207162544.T82393@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Mike Newman wrote: > Basically what I think this club *should* do is remind students and > staff that the real world isn't homogenous and that being able to add > "GNU/Linux" to your resume gives you a real edge in IT. It's worked > for me so far. :) Well said. I'm amazed how many people coming out of IT courses are convinced the world of computing is homogenous. Those who only do their course work are at a real disadvantage when they come out too. The people who are really successful in this industry love it and put a lot of time in (because they want to). Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From patrick.bloomfield-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:01:21 2004 From: patrick.bloomfield-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Patrick) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:01:21 -0500 Subject: Synchronizing with WorkPad c3 In-Reply-To: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200412071201.21924.patrick.bloomfield@sympatico.ca> I have an IBM WorkPad C3. Has anybody had experience in installing this in a SuSe 9.1 system. A program called pilot-link appears to be available in the installed distro. Any help gratefully appreciated. Patrick Bloomfield. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:01:36 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:01:36 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> Mike Newman wrote: >Basically what I think this club *should* do is remind students and >staff that the real world isn't homogenous and that being able to add >"GNU/Linux" to your resume gives you a real edge in IT. > Can anyone (point to, or) put together a clear comparison / projection of IT opportunities / incomes MSCE vs RHCE (or other GNU/linux certification) ? I'm sure such a case is easy to support and has been presented recently, in the tech press. It would be good to round up the argument on one punchy page, and then plunk that page in some influential in-boxes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:47:14 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:47:14 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041207174714.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:37:50AM -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > The rewritten SessionSaver extension features Crash Recovery! > http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166 Hmm, I can't find anything newer about it. I wonder if it will work with firefox 1.0. Now if only it came in a debian package. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:13:34 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:13:34 -0800 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9712993f04120710133b9f02b2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:36:15 -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > I want to start some kind of Free Software club, but I don't really > know what we could do, besides burn CDs and distribute them. Does > anyone have any suggestions? Currently , it seem the best two CDs for you would be : The OpenCD "TheOpenCD is a collection of high quality Free and Open Source Software. The programs run in Windows and cover the most common tasks such as word processing, presentations, e-mail, web browsing, web design, and image manipulation. We include only the highest quality programs, which have been carefully tested for stability and which we consider appropriate for a wide audience." MEPIS - Live (Install) CD Debian derivative focusing on desktop Linux using KDE . Getting a lot of spotlite for easy of use . -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Budd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:54:55 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:54:55 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207175344.GY8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041207175455.GZ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:53:44PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I personally don't have an interest in either of those two > certifications. I don't actually much care for any of the > certifications, having met enough people with those certificates who [snip] > doing an assignment on string manipulation do it in perl since that > defeats the purpose.) Doing courses on a specific programing language > or enviroment doesn't teach you much about programming in general. Sprinkle liberally with and as necesary. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:53:44 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:53:44 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <41B5E1F0.4080605-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:01:36PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > Can anyone (point to, or) put together a clear comparison / projection > of IT opportunities / incomes MSCE vs RHCE (or other GNU/linux > certification) ? I'm sure such a case is easy to support and has been > presented recently, in the tech press. It would be good to round up the > argument on one punchy page, and then plunk that page in some > influential in-boxes. I personally don't have an interest in either of those two certifications. I don't actually much care for any of the certifications, having met enough people with those certificates who don't have any practical knowledge for actually fixing real problems. Not sure how they manage to pass those certifications in those cases. I am sure there are lots of people with certifications that do know what they are doing though. I just seem to have had the bad luck of encountering a bunch that didn't. Maybe it's just that the ones who know what they are doing, don't go around making a big deal out of having certification. Personally my CS degree didn't involve any time on MS products at all. Some first year pascal course was on MacOS, but everything else was on Solaris, Ultrix, AIX or Irix. To me a CS degree should teach students how to write algorithms well, and basic concepts of different types of programming languages and where each is generally appropriate. The actual language to use for a given assignment may be dictated where necesary, but otherwise left up to the student. (ie don't let students doing an assignment on string manipulation do it in perl since that defeats the purpose.) Doing courses on a specific programing language or enviroment doesn't teach you much about programming in general. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:08:54 2004 From: foolswisdom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Lloyd D Budd) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:08:54 -0800 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207174714.GX8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041207174714.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <9712993f041207100816180e51@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:47:14 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 09:37:50AM -0500, Mike Newman wrote: > > The rewritten SessionSaver extension features Crash Recovery! > > http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166 > > Hmm, I can't find anything newer about it. I wonder if it will work > with firefox 1.0. Now if only it came in a debian package. That page indicates "Compatibility: ( 0.7 - 1.0)" I have been running it with 1.0 since 1.0 came out , but I run the mozilla binaries , so that I have the "talkback" crash program . -- Peace be in you , Lloyd D Budd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 17:58:02 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:58:02 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207174714.GX8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041207174714.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:47:14 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, I can't find anything newer about it. I wonder if it will work > with firefox 1.0. Now if only it came in a debian package. I'm running the Lite version with mozilla-firefox_1.0-4_i386 (sid) http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/extfirefox/Session_Saver_Crash_Recovery_0.4.1.xpi Haven't had a crash yet, so I haven't had a chance to test it. It installs fine, though. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 18:29:18 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:29:18 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207175344.GY8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41B5F67E.7070904@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:01:36PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>Can anyone (point to, or) put together a clear comparison / projection >>of IT opportunities / incomes MSCE vs RHCE (or other GNU/linux >>certification) ? I'm sure such a case is easy to support and has been >>presented recently, in the tech press. It would be good to round up the >>argument on one punchy page, and then plunk that page in some >>influential in-boxes. >> >> > > > >I personally don't have an interest in either of those two >certifications. I don't actually much care for any of the >certifications, having met enough people with those certificates who >don't have any practical knowledge for actually fixing real problems. >Not sure how they manage to pass those certifications in those cases. > >I am sure there are lots of people with certifications that do know what >they are doing though. I just seem to have had the bad luck of >encountering a bunch that didn't. Maybe it's just that the ones who >know what they are doing, don't go around making a big deal out of >having certification. > > Alright Lennart, I agree; certification is not proof of competence, please feel free to substitute whatever indication of ability you deem acceptable. But whatever yardstick you use, the fact that demand for linux skill are rising exponentially, should be distilled and distributed to CS students and teachers everywhere. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 19:48:04 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 07 Dec 2004 14:48:04 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207140555.GV8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <87brd5houj.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:25:13AM -0500, SlackRat wrote: > > Without wanting to be too negative, this user has just dumped FireFox and gone > > back to using Opera. > > > > I too had been swept away by the FireBird/FireFox/WhatYaMayCallIt Mystique, > > and it definitely has a number of great features. But every release, and > > patches thereto, is getting quirkier than it's precedecessor. > > I find it gets better and better, at least the Debian builds. I suppose in actual fact a lot depends upon what you do on your box and how you work. I tend to have need of a browser in many apps and find the Firefox profiles somwhat of a nuisance to manage. Also the bookmarks are hard to work with although they are much easier to spider with a cronjob than the Opera ones The following logfile dumped into the mail gives a beautiful report on what's good and what's not :) #! /bin/bash /usr/bin/wget -t 2 -o /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks --spider --force-html -i /inconnu/.mozilla/firefox/baseuser/bookmarks.html /bin/cat /inconnu/.headers/bookmarks/bookmark_header > /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /bin/cat /inconnu/.headers/bookmarks/404_header >> /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /bin/cat /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks | /bin/grep -B 4 404 >> /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /bin/cat /inconnu/.headers/bookmarks/403_header >> /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /bin/cat /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks | /bin/grep -B 4 403 >> /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /bin/rm /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks /bin/mv /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks_temp /var/log/test_firefox_bookmarks # eof > > > Opera, on the other hand admittedly has a few quirks of its own, but after > > using it long enough to firstly discover its idiosyncracies and secondly > > appreciate its power, it is difficult to justify using FireFox. > > > > So when compiling a 'free' software listing, at least acknowledge that other > > browsers/user agents exist, particularly since Opera has now reduced the size > > of its nag ads, which were the reason I abandoned it temporarily, to an > > almost unintrusive size. > > I personally tend to have both opera and firefox running, since opera > unfortunately sucks at a few web sites. The main thing I like about > opera is that at least when it crashes (which is infrequent) or you kill > it, it remembers what pages you were on and goes back to the same state > when you open it. If firefox did that (and reliably) I think I could > ditch opera permanently with no regrets. But for now I use two browsers > at the same time. Yes, in fact I still use both Opera and Firefox (in X) :) But right now Opera is my default browser for straight web browsing - also I like the built in RSS capabilities. I guess in point of fact one needs to change once in a while as one or the other of the browsers comes up with a feature that suits what one does and how one does it. -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 21:21:28 2004 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:21:28 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <41B5F67E.7070904-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41B5F67E.7070904@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200412071621.28309.marc@lijour.net> On December 7, 2004 01:29 pm, David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:01:36PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > >>Can anyone (point to, or) put together a clear comparison / projection > >>of IT opportunities / incomes MSCE vs RHCE (or other GNU/linux > >>certification) ? I'm sure such a case is easy to support and has been > >>presented recently, in the tech press. It would be good to round up the > >>argument on one punchy page, and then plunk that page in some > >>influential in-boxes. > > > > >I personally don't have an interest in either of those two > >certifications. I don't actually much care for any of the > >certifications, having met enough people with those certificates who > >don't have any practical knowledge for actually fixing real problems. > >Not sure how they manage to pass those certifications in those cases. > > > >I am sure there are lots of people with certifications that do know what > >they are doing though. I just seem to have had the bad luck of > >encountering a bunch that didn't. Maybe it's just that the ones who > >know what they are doing, don't go around making a big deal out of > >having certification. > > > > Alright Lennart, I agree; certification is not proof of competence, > please feel free to substitute whatever indication of ability you deem > acceptable. But whatever yardstick you use, the fact that demand for > linux skill are rising exponentially, should be distilled and Where can I find data about that? I am a teacher. > distributed to CS students and teachers everywhere. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 21:44:11 2004 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:44:11 -0500 Subject: Reminder: FIrst meeting in Mississauga Dec. 7 at Mulligans Pub & Grill In-Reply-To: <41AF40BE.2070408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202111147.02f1d0b0@mail.primus.ca> <41AF40BE.2070408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41B6242B.80506@utoronto.ca> James Knott wrote: > Bill Mudry wrote: > >> Highways: >> - From Oakville to Hamilton and beyond, take the QEW >> eastbound and then the 403. Get off at the Dundas >> exit and head east past Winston Churchill to Woodchester. >> Turn right and take the entrance to the Mall right there on >> your left. Mulligans is right there. > > > Turn left, right here. ;-) What time? Dave... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 22:05:59 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:05:59 -0500 Subject: Reminder: FIrst meeting in Mississauga Dec. 7 at Mulligans Pub & Grill In-Reply-To: <41B6242B.80506-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041202111147.02f1d0b0@mail.primus.ca> <41AF40BE.2070408@rogers.com> <41B6242B.80506@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041207220559.GA1321@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 04:44:11PM -0500, Dave Stubbs wrote: > James Knott wrote: > > >Bill Mudry wrote: > > > >> Highways: > >> - From Oakville to Hamilton and beyond, take the QEW > >> eastbound and then the 403. Get off at the Dundas > >> exit and head east past Winston Churchill to Woodchester. > >> Turn right and take the entrance to the Mall right there on > >> your left. Mulligans is right there. > > > > > >Turn left, right here. ;-) > > What time? 7pm, I think. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 22:03:09 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:03:09 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <87brd5houj.fsf-GtzO1qr/b/653Rd6M7GqU0CW56haWIzXIrC0AzgbhvsKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <87brd5houj.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <41B6289D.4090805@sympatico.ca> SlackRat wrote: > > But right now Opera is my default browser for straight web browsing - also I > like the built in RSS capabilities. Firefox has that too, but since I have Feed on Feeds installed on my server, I don't use RSS directly in the browser. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 7 23:41:17 2004 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:41:17 +1100 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207140555.GV8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Wednesday 08 December 2004 01:05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > ?The main thing I like about > opera is that at least when it crashes (which is infrequent) or you kill > it, it remembers what pages you were on and goes back to the same state > when you open it. ?If firefox did that (and reliably) I think I could > ditch opera permanently with no regrets. ?But for now I use two browsers > at the same time. Have you tried "epiphany"? It handles crashes very well. And it's such a simple browser, new users won't have many problems with it. It's bookmakrs are cool too, the way you adda bookmark, and then select which categories it belongs to. These categories appear as folders when you're browsing your bookmarks, so your bookmark can be in multiple locations. ...It's also searchable. ...I think it's the default "Web Browser" for Gnome now (not Galeon) -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 01:38:09 2004 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:38:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <200412081041.17309.david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: Hi, The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser crash period. Hmmm. Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. How about one that crashes firefox specifically? ========================================================= | David Mayerlen | Upstart Associates | http://www.upstartx.com | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org | 416-424-6739 ========================================================= On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, David Colebatch wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2004 01:05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > ?The main thing I like about > > opera is that at least when it crashes (which is infrequent) or you kill > > it, it remembers what pages you were on and goes back to the same state > > when you open it. ?If firefox did that (and reliably) I think I could > > ditch opera permanently with no regrets. ?But for now I use two browsers > > at the same time. > > Have you tried "epiphany"? It handles crashes very well. And it's such a > simple browser, new users won't have many problems with it. > > > It's bookmakrs are cool too, the way you adda bookmark, and then select which > categories it belongs to. These categories appear as folders when you're > browsing your bookmarks, so your bookmark can be in multiple > locations. ...It's also searchable. > > ...I think it's the default "Web Browser" for Gnome now (not Galeon) > > -David > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 01:39:46 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) =?iso-8859-1?q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:39:46 -0500 Subject: Marcel on The Linux Show Message-ID: <200412072039.46573.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, I know it's short notice but I hadn't received a reply to my email confirming my appearance on the show until now. Now that it's official, I'll give you the details. Tonight (Tuesday at 8 Central time or 9 Eastern or 2 am GMT), I will be interviewed about all things Linux on The Linux Show. You can listen live from your PC by clicking on one of the streams from the Linux Show home page at http://www.thelinuxshow.com . Streams are available in OGG, MP3, or RealAudio format. You can also take part in an IRC discussion while the show is on by using your favorite IRC client and connecting to irc.thelinuxshow.com and joining channel #linuxshow. Once again, details are available on the site. Hey, you can even toss questions out into the channel. I hope to see (in a virtual way) some of you tonight. Enjoy, and take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to the Linux Business Desktop" "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" "Linux System Administration, A User's Guide" Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 02:48:29 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:48:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <13049.502488184$1102474161@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 02:48:29 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:48:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <22050.8599574261$1102474264@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 05:07:45 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:07:45 -0500 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <41B68C21.8010401@truxtar.com> David Mayerlen wrote: > Hi, > > The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers > crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser > crash period. Hmmm. > > Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. > How about one that crashes firefox specifically? > I don't have a specific example, but I've had a shockwave or Java page crash Firefox a few times. And the quicktime plugin with Crossover Office crashes constantly. The real question is can a page be made to crash a _clean_ install of firefox with Javascript disabled (otherwise and infinite loop can easily freeze the browser). The _clean install_ criteria with _no exta_ extentions is an important criteria for such a ( hypothetical :D ) web page. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 05:53:48 2004 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:53:48 +1100 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <200412081653.48114.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Wednesday 08 December 2004 12:38, David Mayerlen wrote: > Hi, > > The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers > crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser > crash period. Hmmm. I generally emulate it with xkill. ;) Also, if my session disconnects because of a VNC crash, or, network problem (with XDMCP) then, next time I start the browser (epiphany) it asks if I want to recover. > Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. > How about one that crashes firefox specifically? I don't. Sorry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 09:58:22 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Subject: TLUG Talk - December 14, 2004 Message-ID: <20041208095533.F84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Date: December 14, 2004 Time: 7:30pm Location: Galbraith Building, U of T For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ Room: GB244 Speaker: Colin McGregor Topic: The Temporary Internet Lounge Details: Colin McGregor will talk about the issues associated with setting up a temporary Internet lounge using Knoppix Linux. A central part of this talk will be customising Knoppix to fit the needs of such a lounge. This talk will be illustrated with examples drawn from Colin McGregor's experiences successfully setting up such a lounge of 28 machines at the 2003 World Science Fiction Convention. The basis of this talk will be an article he wrote for Linux Journal (which is due to appear in the February 2005 issue (and which should be on newstands starting the first week of January)). - Colin McGregor is a system administrator with over 5 years experience in a number of commercial and not-for-profit ISPs. *** Please note, we are back in our old room *** Rob TLUG Talks Coordinator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 10:00:24 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Projector Message-ID: <20041208095844.X84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Hi all. We're still looking for a projector for Colin's upcoming talk (just announced). Does anyone have one they can bring along one that can ideally do 1024x768? Rob TLUG Talks Coordinator -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 14:24:05 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:24:05 -0500 Subject: Technology Talks Message-ID: <41B70E85.30001@knet.ca> I am looking for technology talks in .mp3 format. (aac is better, but I use .mp3) Stuff on Linux, computer-security, computers, science etc. etc. I found thelinuxshow.com, but you cannot download these .mp3s. There must be lots informative talk in .mp3 format around.... Reply to this thread if you know of some. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 14:47:27 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:47:27 -0500 Subject: Technology Talks In-Reply-To: <41B70E85.30001-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41B70E85.30001@knet.ca> Message-ID: <41B713FF.1080202@sympatico.ca> Teddy Mills wrote: > > I found thelinuxshow.com, but you cannot download these .mp3s. I've never found a site that didn't respond to running your browser through vsound, the virtual loopback device for your system's audio. It's slightly fiddly to work with, though. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 14:51:02 2004 From: leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:51:02 -0500 Subject: Technology Talks In-Reply-To: <41B70E85.30001-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41B70E85.30001@knet.ca> Message-ID: <1102517462.6312.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2004-08-12 at 09:24 -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > I am looking for technology talks in .mp3 format. (aac is better, but I > use .mp3) > > Stuff on Linux, computer-security, computers, science etc. etc. > I found thelinuxshow.com, but you cannot download these .mp3s. > > There must be lots informative talk in .mp3 format around.... > Reply to this thread if you know of some. I know mostly of security-related stuff: All of the HOPE panels from the Fifth HOPE are online at http://hope.net Some great lockpicking videos from TOOOL are here: http://connect.waag.org/toool/ The one from H2K2 is much better, they messed up the filming on the one from H2K DefCon has audio up as well: http://defcon.org/html/links/defcon-media-archives.html As does TOORCon: http://64.21.48.41/2004/ Enjoy! -Leigh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 14:52:50 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:52:50 -0500 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> Message-ID: <20041208145250.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:38:09PM -0500, David Mayerlen wrote: > The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers > crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser > crash period. Hmmm. > > Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. > How about one that crashes firefox specifically? It is unfortunately not reproduceable in many cases. Pages using plugins are much more likely to cause it though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 15:07:03 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:07:03 -0500 Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041208145250.GA8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <20041208145250.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:52:50 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:38:09PM -0500, David Mayerlen wrote: > > The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers > > crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser > > crash period. Hmmm. > > > > Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. > > How about one that crashes firefox specifically? I seem to recall the AMSTeX website crashing KHTML (i.e. both Konqueror and Safari, and very probably any other browser based on certain buggy versions of KHTML). This was within the past year and a half. (probably closer to the year-and-a-half-ago mark, though, which is a long time ago as these things go) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 16:27:40 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:27:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Charity Technology Auction Message-ID: <20041208162740.36991.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tech Dollar Sale & Auction Great Technology from $1 to Help Give a Needy Kid a Computer for Christmas Computers, Printers, Monitors, Wireless & More!!! FREE INK JET PRINTER TO THE FIRST 10 PEOPLE TO ARRIVE! HOURLY DRAWS! Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. 169 Eastern Avenue (Bayview Ave. & Eastern Ave.) FOLLOW THE SIGNS FROM BAYVIEW The first Technology Dollar Sale & Auction, in support of the Resource Project and Komputers for Kids, will take place on Saturday, December 11, 2004. Starting at 11:00 a.m. and finishing at 4 p.m., hundreds of great gently used working technology items will be up for sale at bargain prices. At the top of every hour there will be an auction of 1 item starting at $1. Items for auction will include 20" monitors, ink jet printers, notebook computers and more! People or businesses are invited to bring in their older, but still functioning, technologies to sell or swap (how much of this stuff do we all have hanging around our home or office?). Selling/swap tables are available from $10. Donations of gently used equipment are welcome to support the Komputers for Kids Christmas Drive. Our Goal is 150 working Computers for the Kids in Eastern Ontario (Trenton / Belleville Area) General Admission is $5 (children under 12 are FREE). If you bring a donation of a working piece of technology, admission is only $2. As the original computer resourcing and redeployment project in Canada (est. 1993), Resource Project (www.resourceproject.org) has delivered over 76,000 computers and peripherals to schools, community agencies and technology challenged individuals. Komputers for Kids (www.komputersforkids.ca) works in the Trenton / Belleville. There are 150 needy kids waiting for a computer to help with their homework. For additional information, contact: Donna Johnson at (416) 955-1551 x309 or djohnson-YFak03Ir5nStlBvVaVFjCkB+6BGkLq7r at public.gmane.org The Technology Dollar Sale & Auction is a project of Innovation Toronto and is part of an ongoing series of events to support community projects. Please check www.techsale.org for up-to-the-minute details. Innovation Toronto is the umbrella organization for 2 charities working to aid innovation in the Greater Toronto Area. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 16:06:23 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 11:06:23 -0500 Subject: using sudo in a perl script Message-ID: <41B7267F.8020304@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have a very frustrating problem I have been fighting since last night... help pwetty pwease? I need to get a perl script to call a shell program through sudo and read in the resulting output. I have it working well enough now that the script will accept the password from the program but the output goes to the web page (it's a web-interface) seemingly no matter what I do. Please note that for testing to be sure that the sudo timestamp is not still valid I issue: 'system "sudo -K\n";' just before the code below. Here is what I know so far: If I issue: open (BLKID, '|sudo /sbin/blkid -c /dev/null 2>&1 |'); print BLKID "$passwd\n"; for () { s/\n//; $test=$_; print "$test\n"; } system "sudo -K\n"; close (BLKID); Then sudo accepts the password (in the '$passwd' variable) just fine but it forces the output to the browser (no line feeds so I know the printing is not coming from: 'print "$test\n";'). If I have a valid 'sudo' time stamp and remove the leading pipe from the 'open' call then the output does go to the program so I know that the '2>&1 |' is redirecting the output back into the program just fine. The problem is that when I invalidate the 'sudo' timestamp just before calling the code above so that it must get the password from the second line it fails. If I have the leading pipe, it gets the password but the output goes to the browser. If I remove the leading pipe the output goes to the script but it fails to receive the password. Any ideas or tips? Thanks very much as always! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 17:33:24 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:33:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: aircanada.ca Message-ID: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Hi all. It has been reported on the OCLUG list that aircanada is dictating the browser and OS that people must use to access their site. IMHO this is very disappointing and represents a very outmoded way of looking at the world. Those desiring to do so can complain here: http://aircanada.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/aircanada.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php I just did. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 17:54:54 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:54:54 -0500 Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208173029.Y84388-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 05:33:24PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > Hi all. It has been reported on the OCLUG list that aircanada is > dictating the browser and OS that people must use to access their site. > IMHO this is very disappointing and represents a very outmoded way of > looking at the world. > > Those desiring to do so can complain here: > > http://aircanada.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/aircanada.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php > > I just did. Actually I disagree with you. They are NOT dictating what browser to use, just warning you that you are not using a browser they know will work. They let you click and continue on your way just fine using whatever browser you may have. Sites that won't even let you try to enter with another browser are a problem. Air Canada does not appear to be one of those. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 18:12:29 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:12:29 -0500 Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208175454.GB8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:54:54 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > They are NOT dictating what browser to use, just warning you that you > are not using a browser they know will work. They let you click and > continue on your way just fine using whatever browser you may have. True, but even showing that warning is not in the spirit of the web. They could get all the same features with HTML and CSS and responsibly-used Javascript, but made a decision not to do so. Hence, the warning, and expected incompatibilities. -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 18:24:23 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208175454.GB8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Actually I disagree with you. Sure, this is your right ;) > They are NOT dictating what browser to use, just warning you that you > are not using a browser they know will work. They let you click and > continue on your way just fine using whatever browser you may have. It was reported on OCLUG that an attempt to purchase a ticker _failed_ because of the browser type. I did not try to buy a ticket just to verify this though :) > Sites that won't even let you try to enter with another browser are a > problem. Air Canada does not appear to be one of those. Yes I agree those are very bad. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 18:44:48 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:44:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208182205.P84388-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net><20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <55237.209.29.34.110.1102531488.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> >> They are NOT dictating what browser to use, just warning you that you >> are not using a browser they know will work. They let you click and >> continue on your way just fine using whatever browser you may have. > There are thousands of web sites showing warnings such as "Optimized for IE 6.0 or Netscape 7.1", it doesn't mean they force anyone to use a specific browser. Go to the TTC website with IE and then Netscape, some functions in the "routes" pages work with one and not with the other! That's even worse than being warned that some features may work better with a specific browser. Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 18:56:32 2004 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Mike Waychison) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:56:32 -0500 Subject: using sudo in a perl script In-Reply-To: <41B7267F.8020304-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41B7267F.8020304@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41B74E60.70504@waychison.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a very frustrating problem I have been fighting since last > night... help pwetty pwease? > > I need to get a perl script to call a shell program through sudo and > read in the resulting output. I have it working well enough now that the > script will accept the password from the program but the output goes to > the web page (it's a web-interface) seemingly no matter what I do. > Please note that for testing to be sure that the sudo timestamp is not > still valid I issue: 'system "sudo -K\n";' just before the code below. > Here is what I know so far: > > If I issue: > open (BLKID, '|sudo /sbin/blkid -c /dev/null 2>&1 |'); > print BLKID "$passwd\n"; > for () > { > s/\n//; > $test=$_; > print "$test\n"; > } > system "sudo -K\n"; > close (BLKID); > > Then sudo accepts the password (in the '$passwd' variable) just fine but > it forces the output to the browser (no line feeds so I know the > printing is not coming from: 'print "$test\n";'). If I have a valid > 'sudo' time stamp and remove the leading pipe from the 'open' call then > the output does go to the program so I know that the '2>&1 |' is > redirecting the output back into the program just fine. > > The problem is that when I invalidate the 'sudo' timestamp just before > calling the code above so that it must get the password from the second > line it fails. If I have the leading pipe, it gets the password but the > output goes to the browser. If I remove the leading pipe the output goes > to the script but it fails to receive the password. > > Any ideas or tips? Thanks very much as always! See perldoc -f open: "(You are not allowed to "open" to a command that pipes both in and out, but see IPC::Open2, IPC::Open3, and "Bidirectional Communication" in perlipc for alternatives.)" > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBt05fdQs4kOxk3/MRAiq9AJ4tB5cjtigYyp6g4yjXbb60bPO6YACfQz4R NfGDlUiEFe09dsbObzyNOk0= =EZfy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:13:57 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:13:57 -0500 Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208182205.P84388-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20041208191357.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:24:23PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > It was reported on OCLUG that an attempt to purchase a ticker _failed_ > because of the browser type. I did not try to buy a ticket just to verify > this though :) Well that I think is bad. I don't remember what I used last time I bought a ticket. I still don't think they are dictating browser use, although they may be writing bad web pages that don't work with all browsers. I have never personally managed to login to presidents choice banking with opera, but firefox and mozilla work just fine. It doesn't tell me it will or will not work of course, so I guess they just leave it up to the user to figure out. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:24:52 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:24:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208191357.GC8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208191357.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041208142323.U47827@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I have never personally managed to login to presidents choice banking > with opera, but firefox and mozilla work just fine. It doesn't tell me > it will or will not work of course, so I guess they just leave it up to > the user to figure out. To their credit, they did eventually change the monthly statement PDF generator to not force you to have Adobe Acrobat for Windows. I'd complained about this when they first stopped sending statements; they repaired it a few months later. I have not had problems using Mozilla to purchase tickets on aircanada.ca. - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "half a love is better than no love at all" - nerissa nields ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:23:42 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:23:42 -0500 Subject: pseudo-solved: using sudo in a perl script In-Reply-To: <41B74E60.70504-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q@public.gmane.org> References: <41B7267F.8020304@alteeve.com> <41B74E60.70504@waychison.com> Message-ID: <41B754BE.7090604@alteeve.com> Mike Waychison wrote: > See perldoc -f open: > > > "(You are not allowed to "open" to a command that pipes both in and out, > but see IPC::Open2, IPC::Open3, and "Bidirectional Communication" in > perlipc for alternatives.)" Thanks for the reply! Hmm, I was afraid of that. Well, what I decided to do, which seems to work if not work most elequantly is have one open that calls: open (SUDO, "|sudo -v\n"); print SUDO "$passwd\n"; close (SUDO) Which sets the timestamp and then immediately call sudo again with the actual command: open (BLKID, 'sudo /sbin/blkid -c /dev/null 2>&1 |'); for () { s/\n//; $test=$_; print "$test\n"; } close (BLKID); And then kill the timestamp as soon as I am done by calling: system "sudo -K\n"; This saves me needing to define another 'use X', as well. Thanks again for the help, hopefully at least this will help someone googling for the same question in the future. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:47:26 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:47:26 -0500 Subject: Global install of firefox plugins? Message-ID: <200412081447.26205.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, Does anyone know if it is possible to install firefox extensions that would be available to all users on a server? I've been playing with the install-global-extension command line option but it seems to do nothing (perhaps the option doesn't even exist), here's what I was doing in my last attempts: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -install-global-extension \ /tmp/adblock-0.5.2.039-fx.xpi Any ideas? Thanks -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 20:48:53 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:48:53 -0500 Subject: Charity Technology Auction In-Reply-To: <20041208162740.36991.qmail-DooQHYYYUaiB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208162740.36991.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041208204853.GA813@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 11:27:40AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Tech Dollar Sale & Auction > General Admission is $5 (children under 12 are FREE). > If you bring a donation of a working piece of > technology, admission is only $2. Nuts! You want people to come out and pay you for the privilege of buying obsolete components? -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:33:12 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:33:12 +0200 (IST) Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re:Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041208145250.GA8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <87is7ebrye.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041207140555.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200412081041.17309.david@dingodave.cjb.net> <20041208145250.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:38:09PM -0500, David Mayerlen wrote: >> The thing that catches my eye about this post is the topic of browsers >> crashing. Its been a heck of a long time since I recall seeing a browser >> crash period. Hmmm. >> >> Would you happen to have a sample of a web page that crashes a browser. >> How about one that crashes firefox specifically? > > It is unfortunately not reproduceable in many cases. > > Pages using plugins are much more likely to cause it though. I manage to crash it by opening 7-8 pages rapidly in the background (new tabs), when said pages contain javascript. This is the way I browse so ... . Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 19:21:58 2004 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:21:58 -0800 Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: <20041208191357.GC8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208191357.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Using mozilla I was able to purchase a ticket last night, no problem. -Joseph- On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:13:57 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:24:23PM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > It was reported on OCLUG that an attempt to purchase a ticker _failed_ > > because of the browser type. I did not try to buy a ticket just to verify > > this though :) > > Well that I think is bad. I don't remember what I used last time I > bought a ticket. > > I still don't think they are dictating browser use, although they may be > writing bad web pages that don't work with all browsers. > > I have never personally managed to login to presidents choice banking > with opera, but firefox and mozilla work just fine. It doesn't tell me > it will or will not work of course, so I guess they just leave it up to > the user to figure out. > > Lennart Sorensen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 8 22:54:39 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:54:39 -0500 Subject: aircanada.ca In-Reply-To: References: <20041208173029.Y84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208175454.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041208182205.P84388@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041208191357.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41B7862F.2000209@rogers.com> Joseph Kubik wrote: > Using mozilla I was able to purchase a ticket last night, no problem. Hopefully, the problems won't show up during the flight. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 01:51:36 2004 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:51:36 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: <20041207175344.GY8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: "Personally my CS degree didn't involve any time on MS products at all." I have a CS degree, and like Lennart had very little exposure to or need of MS for it. I have been a linux user for 8 years now. I know the OS in and out (I think). However, I've never had a chance to learn anything about MFC / .NET etc. And, the lack of that knowledge has all told been hard on my career at times. All that said, The position I hold now requires detailed admin skills on at least Linux and windows, and preferably Netware too. And a lot of knowledge of OS internals (schedulers, init, network stack poking and prodding, disk I/O), none of which I learned in school and I wish that universities had a better practical approach to theoretical knowledge. -Joseph- On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:53:44 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:01:36PM -0500, David J Patrick wrote: > > Can anyone (point to, or) put together a clear comparison / projection > > of IT opportunities / incomes MSCE vs RHCE (or other GNU/linux > > certification) ? I'm sure such a case is easy to support and has been > > presented recently, in the tech press. It would be good to round up the > > argument on one punchy page, and then plunk that page in some > > influential in-boxes. > > I personally don't have an interest in either of those two > certifications. I don't actually much care for any of the > certifications, having met enough people with those certificates who > don't have any practical knowledge for actually fixing real problems. > Not sure how they manage to pass those certifications in those cases. > > I am sure there are lots of people with certifications that do know what > they are doing though. I just seem to have had the bad luck of > encountering a bunch that didn't. Maybe it's just that the ones who > know what they are doing, don't go around making a big deal out of > having certification. > > Personally my CS degree didn't involve any time on MS products at all. > Some first year pascal course was on MacOS, but everything else was on > Solaris, Ultrix, AIX or Irix. To me a CS degree should teach students > how to write algorithms well, and basic concepts of different types of > programming languages and where each is generally appropriate. The > actual language to use for a given assignment may be dictated where > necesary, but otherwise left up to the student. (ie don't let students > doing an assignment on string manipulation do it in perl since that > defeats the purpose.) Doing courses on a specific programing language > or enviroment doesn't teach you much about programming in general. > > Lennart Sorensen > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 03:19:30 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:19:30 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive Message-ID: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi guys, I've got a question. It's a matter of opnion I guess, as there are many ways to do what I'm trying to do. I'll be getting a new hard drive soon (for Christmas, hopefully). Right now I have two hard drives. One is 4 GB -- the first 10 megs or so on it have Windows's chainloader and the rest has my Linux distro on it. The other is 20 GB and has Windows. So, the hard drive I get will be at least 40 GB or so but I want to keep all of my Arch Linux OS intact (Windows is more volatile, I don't care if I have to scrap it). So, should I back up important files and start from scratch? What strategy should I take here -- is there a way to make a ReiserFS filesystem on the new hard drive and merge it with the existing 4 GB one at this stage of the game? Any help/suggestions appreciated! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 06:28:26 2004 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:28:26 +1100 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20041209031930.GA9385-bi+AKbBUZKYixQ47wEiE9CZQAMfR3pTKK3IcII9JpMhskR5iP2gl4NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> On Wed, 2004-08-12 at 22:19 -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > So, the hard drive I get will be at least 40 GB or so but I want to > keep all of my Arch Linux OS intact (Windows is more volatile, I don't > care if I have to scrap it). Something you might consider is I/O loads. Depending on what you're doing with this machine, you would do well to spread the read/writes between different drive spindles. For a long time, Unix has done very well at being spread across several physical disks. The thing you really want to avoid is thrashing (a drive head having to constantly rush from one place to another). This can happen if *excessive* swap or tmp files are in use or if something is aggressively writing (an active web server log, a serious mail queue, that sort of thing) while trying to do big reads (serving up some major file). [A more recent example, from the Oracle database world, is to dedicate several spindles (especially striped RAID 0) just for the REDO logs - they *have* to be written physically to disk before Oracle will report a transaction committed; how long it takes for the official data blocks to migrate from cache down to permanent storage is less relevant, but one generally wants the redo logs to be written as blazingly fast as possible; having other disk activity taking place on a device gets int the way of that and is to be avoided] On small Linux servers I run, I tend to have /, /usr and /export[/www] on one disk, and /var on another. That way the mail queue and web log writing activity on the second drive doesn't interfere with loading binaries and serving content off of the first disk. So, if you have a 4 GB drive and some spanky new drive, then one idea you might consider is putting swap, /tmp, on the 4 GB, and have the more bulky occasional stuff on the other disk. It all depends on what you're trying to do with this system. Of course, the nature of your disks (SCSI vs IDE) and controllers (one channel, two channel, integrated, etc) all weigh into consideration of what gains you might achieve. > So, should I back up important files and start from scratch? That largely depends on whether or not your system is working [well]. If you're happy with it, then leave it alone. The amount of time we all waste [re]building systems is astonishing. AfC Sydney -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Helping you succeed at flawlessly executing Massive Changes and Upgrades to your Mission Critical Systems http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney New York Toronto London -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 01:53:52 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:53:52 +0000 Subject: gentoo based USB key bootable distro Message-ID: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Finally a full-featured USB-key bootable distro http://www.encryptec.net/flashlinux/ 200mb base install leaves 50 megs for user space the standard release includes Gnome 2.8.x , Evolution 2.0.x , Gaim 1.0.x , XChat 2.0.x , Firefox 1.0.x and OpenOffice 1.1.x with support for full hardware auto detection and configuration for DHCP WAN or HSF winmodem. As of release 0.3.2, there will be an alternative image for users who prefer Abiword / Gnumeric to OpenOffice. a list of installed packages here http://www.encryptec.net/flashlinux/licensing -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 12:53:07 2004 From: buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kaizilege Karoma) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:53:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: SERVER/HELP Message-ID: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working with one of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. My current server is running FEDORA with the following services, Web server - Apache, NAT, Mail service - Sendmail, Webmail - Squirellmail, DHCP. I want to convince the management on the use of Linux on all the servers. Currently the University is not computerized, I am buying the new server with, Dual processor 3.06 each, 3 HDD, 1 GB of RAM, this is the DELL server. Please could you advice me on what Packages and services to run on the university server, It will make my life easier if you will mention services I should install. I tried to install ATutor on one of my computers here with no success, If you also advice on open source packages which are suitable for Universities please do that for me. Regards, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ?? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 13:52:08 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:52:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to find an Ethernet module name in Slackware 10.0? In-Reply-To: <20041209125308.32089.qmail-WBRewZk/1guA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041209135209.24919.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, gurus! When I ifconfig, I can find eth0 there. No eth1. When I ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see both eth0 and eth1 there. I have configured rc.inet1.conf for the eth1 interface as: IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" MASK="255.255.255.0" GATEWAY="" DHCP="yes" ... My guess is that the rc.inet1 program failed to bring the eth1 up. When I dmesg, I can see one card is RealTek 8139. The other one is D-Link DFE-530 TXS FAST. When I lnsmod, I can seee 8139too there but no clue for the D-Link card. Now, please enlighten me, what is the module name for the D-Link card. It is already detected. Why we cannot find the module name? It is probed in the kernel, not my the rc.modules? If so, how can we do something like alias eth0 8139too alias eth1 ???? in /etc/modules.conf ? It seems we should not do any like that in Slackware 10.0. I am totally lost. Thank you! Frank Peng. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ?? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 09:07:31 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:07:31 +0000 Subject: How to find an Ethernet module name in Slackware 10.0? In-Reply-To: <20041209135209.24919.qmail-ahEklheNexaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209135209.24919.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412090907.31215.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On December 9, 2004 01:52 pm, Frank Peng wrote: > Hello, gurus! > > When I ifconfig, I can find eth0 there. No eth1. When > I ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see both > eth0 and eth1 there. I have configured rc.inet1.conf > for the eth1 interface as: > > IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" > MASK="255.255.255.0" > GATEWAY="" > DHCP="yes" > ... > > My guess is that the rc.inet1 program failed to bring > the eth1 up. > > When I dmesg, I can see one card is RealTek 8139. The > other one is D-Link DFE-530 TXS FAST. When I lnsmod, I > can seee 8139too there but no clue for the D-Link > card. > > Now, please enlighten me, what is the module name for > the D-Link card. It is already detected. Why we cannot > find the module name? It is probed in the kernel, not > my the rc.modules? If so, how can we do something like > alias eth0 8139too > alias eth1 ???? > in /etc/modules.conf ? > try insmod via-rhine then restart your network -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From GHunter-kgJIzn72htc at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 14:11:36 2004 From: GHunter-kgJIzn72htc at public.gmane.org (Geoffrey Hunter) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:11:36 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <200412090153.52652.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Does anyone on this list know how to configure the keyboard ? I have two frequent irritations: I Never want Overwrite Mode and I Never want Caps-Lock On, yet when I am typing some text, one or the other "accidentally" (mysteriously) gets set On. When I notice that the text that I thought I was inserting is actually overwriting some text that I want to keep, I key the Insert Key to toggle Overwite Off, and then (if I can remember) re-write the text that was overwritten (this happened while I was typing this email). When I notice that the text that I thought was (mostly) in lower case is in fact in ALL CAPS, then I key the Caps Lock key to set Caps Lock Off, erase everything that I just typed and re-type it in (mostly) lower case. I'd like to permanently disable the Overwrite and ALL-CAPS modes under both Linux (Mandrake 8.x) and Windows (XP), which would include disabling the Insert and Caps-Lock keys It would be preferable to configure a single Keyboard Driver (used by all application programs) so that the disabling would apply to all application programs that receive keyboard input. I found out how to make Windows Beep when Caps Lock gets set on (which alerts me to press the Caps Lock key to set it Off), but couldn't find out how to do this for Insert/Overwrite, nor how to permanently disable either of them. Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce the occurrence of key-hammer jams; it is an unfortunate legacy that we are still using that slow-you-down arrangement when its purpose has not pertained since mechanical typewriters were displaced by electric typewriters, and later by electronic input. How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: A B C D E F G H I 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z 3 of the vowels (I,O,U) are at the ends of the first 3 rows; A is at the beginning of the first row, E is symmetrically in the middle of the first row, (which is good because E is the most frequently used vowel). Geoffrey Hunter Chemistry Building Room 318 York University, 4700 Keele Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M3J1P3 Office: 416-736-5306 Office Fax: 416-736-5936 email: GHunter-4mebg6r7xUY at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 14:44:06 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:44:06 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <200412090944.06524.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> On Thursday December 9 2004 9:11 am, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > I have two frequent irritations: > > I Never want Overwrite Mode and I Never want Caps-Lock On, > yet when I am typing some text, one or the other > "accidentally" (mysteriously) gets set On. > This fragment: ---------------------------- ! caps lock = tab clear lock keycode 66 = Tab --------------------------- Is a script for the xmodmap command that will change the caps lock key into a tab key. I leave it as an exercise to figure out how to have it executed automatically. Be forewarned: the area of key mapping gets you into layers of indirection that can be quite confusing. You will need to do a lot more than ask a mailing list. There are good howto's. I think the keyboard and console howto was the one I found most useful. Charly Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 14:51:34 2004 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:51:34 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: > I Never want Overwrite Mode and I Never want Caps-Lock On, > yet when I am typing some text, one or the other > "accidentally" (mysteriously) gets set On. If your keyboard is toggling overwrite and caps lock mysteriously (i.e. you're not hitting it by accident), then I suspect your keyboard may be malfunctioning. Try switching your keyboard and see if the problem persists. > Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would > be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to > slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce Have you tried Dvorak? http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:04:41 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:04:41 -0500 Subject: Free Software school club? In-Reply-To: References: <96aa4e8f041206193476cbe663@mail.gmail.com> <41B5E1F0.4080605@sympatico.ca> <20041207175344.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041209150441.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 08:51:36PM -0500, Joseph Kubik wrote: > "Personally my CS degree didn't involve any time on MS products at all." > I have a CS degree, and like Lennart had very little exposure to or > need of MS for it. > I have been a linux user for 8 years now. I know the OS in and out (I think). > However, I've never had a chance to learn anything about MFC / .NET > etc. And, the lack of that knowledge has all told been hard on my > career at times. > > All that said, The position I hold now requires detailed admin skills > on at least Linux and windows, and preferably Netware too. And a lot > of knowledge of OS internals (schedulers, init, network stack poking > and prodding, disk I/O), none of which I learned in school and I wish > that universities had a better practical approach to theoretical > knowledge. The optional "Real Time" course, and the mandetory OS course at waterloo gave me a pretty decent idea of what goes on inside an OS. My Co-Op work terms gave me plenty of experience administrating windows and netware, even if that wasn't really what I wanted to do. The HP-UX experience probably didn't hurt, but I sure don't like the OS now. My knowledge of hardware is mostly self tought by reading way too much documentation on things, and playing with the hardware when I get a chance. CS programs generally don't offer very much hardware courses, even though sometimes I think they should. A lot of programmers write code without the slightest clue how their code design might impact performance due to how the hardware really does the work. I guess we just need smarter compilers. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:11:01 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:11:01 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20041209151101.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:11:36AM -0500, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > Does anyone on this list know how to configure the keyboard ? > > I have two frequent irritations: > > I Never want Overwrite Mode and I Never want Caps-Lock On, > yet when I am typing some text, one or the other > "accidentally" (mysteriously) gets set On. I think you can ask xmodmap (for X) and loadkeys for console to disable or remap to different purposes those keys. > When I notice that the text that I thought I was inserting is actually > overwriting some text that I want to keep, I key the Insert Key to > toggle Overwite Off, and then (if I can remember) re-write the text > that was overwritten (this happened while I was typing this email). vi makes the distinction between r (replace) and i (instert) and a (append) rather clear. Are you using something else? :) > When I notice that the text that I thought was (mostly) in lower case > is in fact in ALL CAPS, then I key the Caps Lock key to set Caps Lock > Off, erase everything that I just typed and re-type it in (mostly) > lower case. Your editor doesn't have a 'change case' option? > I'd like to permanently disable the Overwrite and ALL-CAPS modes under > both Linux (Mandrake 8.x) and Windows (XP), which would include > disabling the Insert and Caps-Lock keys On XP, good luck. On linux look at xmodmap and loadkeys documentation. > It would be preferable to configure a single Keyboard Driver > (used by all application programs) so that the disabling would > apply to all application programs that receive keyboard input. > I found out how to make Windows Beep when Caps Lock gets set on > (which alerts me to press the Caps Lock key to set it Off), but > couldn't find out how to do this for Insert/Overwrite, > nor how to permanently disable either of them. I don't think you can disable that "feature". > Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would > be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to > slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce > the occurrence of key-hammer jams; it is an unfortunate legacy that > we are still using that slow-you-down arrangement when its purpose > has not pertained since mechanical typewriters were displaced by > electric typewriters, and later by electronic input. alphabetical order is probably no better (althoug perhaps no worse) than qwerty, azerty, qwertz, dvorak, etc. (And I don't want any flames over saying dvorak isn't any better. From the most recent studies I have seen, there really is no real difference. It works better for some people and not for others. The disadvantage of not being able to type on what is a "standard" keyboard seems to far outweight any potential advantage. If you really wnat a better keyboard, there are way better layouts than a regular shape keyboard, they just cost a lot more.) > How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: > > A B C D E F G H I > 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns > 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits > 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z > > 3 of the vowels (I,O,U) are at the ends of the first 3 rows; > A is at the beginning of the first row, > E is symmetrically in the middle of the first row, > (which is good because E is the most frequently used vowel). In english yes. Not in many other languages. Stop rearanging keys on the keyboard and go make a better shape of keyboard if you really want to make things better. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:12:34 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:12:34 -0500 Subject: OT Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20041209151234.GA4923@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:11:36AM -0500, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: >Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would >be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to >slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce >the occurrence of key-hammer jams; it is an unfortunate legacy that >we are still using that slow-you-down arrangement when its purpose >has not pertained since mechanical typewriters were displaced by >electric typewriters, and later by electronic input. > >How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: > > A B C D E F G H I > 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns > 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits > 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z > >3 of the vowels (I,O,U) are at the ends of the first 3 rows; >A is at the beginning of the first row, >E is symmetrically in the middle of the first row, >(which is good because E is the most frequently used vowel). If you are going to develop a new keyboard, why not do something radical/interesting? How about a ten-key design like that used by stenographers, where you never lift a finger off it's key, and you type via chording, giving you 2^10-1 possibilities, which you would rank based on character set by frequency. One keyboard for all (well, most) languages. Just a thought. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:14:16 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:14:16 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <1102573706.23585.16.camel-Ty44UuN9vPIHc6C1GOO+uXyA94PN7R7FkemgU0Nths7QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> Message-ID: <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:28:26PM +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote: [snip] > [A more recent example, from the Oracle database world, is to dedicate > several spindles (especially striped RAID 0) just for the REDO logs - > they *have* to be written physically to disk before Oracle will report a > transaction committed; how long it takes for the official data blocks to > migrate from cache down to permanent storage is less relevant, but one > generally wants the redo logs to be written as blazingly fast as > possible; having other disk activity taking place on a device gets int > the way of that and is to be avoided] Oracle with logs on a raid0? Sounds dangerous to the data. [snip] > So, if you have a 4 GB drive and some spanky new drive, then one idea > you might consider is putting swap, /tmp, on the 4 GB, and have the more > bulky occasional stuff on the other disk. It all depends on what you're > trying to do with this system. And how slow would that make /tmp and swap? 4GB drives are terribly slow by todays drive speeds. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:18:53 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:18:53 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20041209031930.GA9385-bi+AKbBUZKYixQ47wEiE9CZQAMfR3pTKK3IcII9JpMhskR5iP2gl4NBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041209151853.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 10:19:30PM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > Hi guys, I've got a question. It's a matter of opnion I guess, as > there are many ways to do what I'm trying to do. > > I'll be getting a new hard drive soon (for Christmas, hopefully). > Right now I have two hard drives. One is 4 GB -- the first 10 megs or > so on it have Windows's chainloader and the rest has my Linux distro > on it. The other is 20 GB and has Windows. So, the hard drive I get > will be at least 40 GB or so but I want to keep all of my Arch Linux > OS intact (Windows is more volatile, I don't care if I have to scrap > it). > > So, should I back up important files and start from scratch? What > strategy should I take here -- is there a way to make a ReiserFS > filesystem on the new hard drive and merge it with the existing 4 GB > one at this stage of the game? Generally starting from scrath is probably simplest. Simply copying the contents of the old drive to the new one with cp -ax / /newdrivemount is pretty easy to and probably the fastest way to migrate. With the cost of a drive today, I doubt I would even leave the 4GB in the machine wasting space and power and making heat. 160GB is about the best GB/$ at the moment with 200GB getting very close quickly. Of course make sure your BIOS can in fact run a drive biffer than 137G/32G/8G/2G/512M before you go buying one, unless you are willing to also get a promise ide card to run it (most are supported in linux, but check the chip number first). I believe, but am not entirely sure that going past 137G required some hardware changes, but perhaps it is only software. Anything below 137G was certainly just stupid bios designs, given the BIOS in my 486/66 can run 137G drives just fine while many pentium and even pentium pro systems had problems with 32G drives and sometimes even over 8G drives. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:22:08 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:22:08 -0500 Subject: How to find an Ethernet module name in Slackware 10.0? In-Reply-To: <20041209135209.24919.qmail-ahEklheNexaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> <20041209135209.24919.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041209152208.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:52:08AM -0800, Frank Peng wrote: > Hello, gurus! > > When I ifconfig, I can find eth0 there. No eth1. When > I ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see both > eth0 and eth1 there. I have configured rc.inet1.conf > for the eth1 interface as: > > IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" > MASK="255.255.255.0" > GATEWAY="" > DHCP="yes" > ... Why DHCP and an IP at the same time? That doesn't make sense. > My guess is that the rc.inet1 program failed to bring > the eth1 up. > > When I dmesg, I can see one card is RealTek 8139. The > other one is D-Link DFE-530 TXS FAST. When I lnsmod, I > can seee 8139too there but no clue for the D-Link > card. > > Now, please enlighten me, what is the module name for > the D-Link card. It is already detected. Why we cannot > find the module name? It is probed in the kernel, not > my the rc.modules? If so, how can we do something like > alias eth0 8139too > alias eth1 ???? > in /etc/modules.conf ? > > It seems we should not do any like that in Slackware > 10.0. I am totally lost. Often the output of lspci might give a clue about the driver to use. DFE-* cards a a pain given that a 530 and a 530+ are completely different chips and drivers. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 15:56:12 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:56:12 -0500 Subject: SERVER/HELP In-Reply-To: <20041209125308.32089.qmail-WBRewZk/1guA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41B8759C.1090603@sympatico.ca> Kaizilege Karoma wrote: >Dear All, > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working with one >of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. > [snip] > If you also advice on open source >packages which are suitable for Universities please do >that for me. > > I believe there are linux packages (distros) designed for universities. I will do some digging to see if I can help you find them djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 16:06:57 2004 From: buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kaizilege Karoma) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:06:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: SERVER/HELP In-Reply-To: <41B8759C.1090603-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41B8759C.1090603@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041209160657.44277.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> Dear David, Thanks for encouragement that there are must be some packages suitable for my environment, I am waiting for the suggestions and solution. Kai --- David J Patrick wrote: > Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > > >Dear All, > > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working with > one > >of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. > > > [snip] > > > If you also advice on open source > >packages which are suitable for Universities please > do > >that for me. > > > > > > I believe there are linux packages (distros) > designed for universities. > I will do some digging to see if I can help you find > them > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 16:18:48 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:18:48 -0500 Subject: SERVER/HELP In-Reply-To: <20041209160657.44277.qmail-ZsEESJ3oruSA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209160657.44277.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41B87AE8.8050704@sympatico.ca> Kaizilege Karoma wrote: >Dear David, > Thanks for encouragement that there are must be some >packages suitable for my environment, I am waiting for >the suggestions and solution. > One option, based on RedHat fedora, is BU linux, developed at (for) Boston University. http://www.bu.edu/computing/linux/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:02:52 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:02:52 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20041209170252.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 11:48:25AM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: [snip] > Ugh. Hint: you want to put heavily-used letters in the home row! I second that. As does every other person that has ever typed I think. > By the way, tests have shown that even for people with no typing skills -- > this was done back before micros got really common -- alphabetical order > has no speed advantage over QWERTY. Most people don't really have that > good a feel for where a particular letter is in the alphabet. Oh like the PC Jr. which eventually offered a qwerty keyboard replacement since well what the point of getting a PC for the kids to play with if they couldn't at least learn to type while they were at it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 16:48:25 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:48:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would > be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to > slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce > the occurrence of key-hammer jams... Nope, not true; this is a myth. QWERTY was designed to put frequently- used letters far apart, because early mechanical typewriters tended to jam when *nearby keys* were hit in fast succession. In fact, wide spacing of frequent letters speeds typists up, notably because it makes alternation of hands more frequent. QWERTY is actually fairly good for speed. It had many competitors in the early days of mechanical typewriters, and even then, there were speed competitions and customers paid attention to the results. QWERTY generally did well. It's not optimal, but it's good enough that you probably can't improve on its speed a whole lot. (The exaggerated claims for the Dvorak layout came from tests run by Dvorak himself; independent tests consistently show little or no advantage.) > How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: > A B C D E F G H I > 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns > 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits > 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z Ugh. Hint: you want to put heavily-used letters in the home row! By the way, tests have shown that even for people with no typing skills -- this was done back before micros got really common -- alphabetical order has no speed advantage over QWERTY. Most people don't really have that good a feel for where a particular letter is in the alphabet. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 17:59:37 2004 From: greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Jimmy Green) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:59:37 -0500 Subject: SERVER/HELP References: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41B89289.1070108@primus.ca> Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > Dear All, > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working with one > of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. > > My current server is running FEDORA with the > following services, Web server - Apache, NAT, Mail > service - Sendmail, Webmail - Squirellmail, DHCP. > > I want to convince the management on the use of Linux > on all the servers. Currently the University is not > computerized, I am buying the new server with, Dual > processor 3.06 each, 3 HDD, 1 GB of RAM, this is the > DELL server. is your current server tested, and working? how many computers do you anticipate in your local network? will students be networking in from their homes? > > Please could you advice me on what Packages and > services to run on the university server, It will make > my life easier if you will mention services I should > install. > > I tried to install ATutor on one of my computers here > with no success, If you also advice on open source > packages which are suitable for Universities please do > that for me. > > Regards, > > please tell your situation a bit more. -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second itteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 18:38:33 2004 From: buguruka-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Kaizilege Karoma) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:38:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: SERVER/HELP In-Reply-To: <41B89289.1070108-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <41B89289.1070108@primus.ca> Message-ID: <20041209183833.17170.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jimmy Green wrote: > > Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working > with one > > of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. > > > > My current server is running FEDORA with the > > following services, Web server - Apache, NAT, > Mail > > service - Sendmail, Webmail - Squirellmail, DHCP. > > > > I want to convince the management on the use of > Linux > > on all the servers. Currently the University is > not > > computerized, I am buying the new server with, > Dual > > processor 3.06 each, 3 HDD, 1 GB of RAM, this is > the > > DELL server. > > is your current server tested, and working? > how many computers do you anticipate in your local > network? > will students be networking in from their homes? > > > > > Please could you advice me on what Packages and > > services to run on the university server, It will > make > > my life easier if you will mention services I > should > > install. > > > > I tried to install ATutor on one of my computers > here > > with no success, If you also advice on open > source > > packages which are suitable for Universities > please do > > that for me. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > please tell your situation a bit more. > > -- Actuaaly what I want to do is to connect my server to the internet so that I can send and receive mail (we have the domain), the server should be able to run the database, host mailing list, proxing, file sharing and also I want to run other services as you can suggest that can be suitable for the university. It is my responsibility to advice the management on what technology to use, also I would like to introduce new things different than what I mentioned which they are already used to. I want the students and management to enjoy the power of technology especially Open Source, I am not an expert on linux, I just attended 6 months course which was along the CCNA, I am trying to learn more on Open Source. Yes i want my students to be able to work at Home, the current server is tested and working. The server will be running 100 computers. Regards, Kai > to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; > timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } > if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to > the second itteration ... > PS, if X implements better method, endless echo > "thanks" ; timetravel 0 > > Jimmy > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:14:17 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:14:17 -0500 Subject: SERVER/HELP In-Reply-To: <20041209125308.32089.qmail-WBRewZk/1guA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209125308.32089.qmail@web14321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041209191417.GB775@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 04:53:07AM -0800, Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > Dear All, > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working with one > of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. I think you posted to wrong group. This is Linux Users Group in Toronto, Canada. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:17:42 2004 From: greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Jimmy Green) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:17:42 -0500 Subject: SERVER/HELP References: <20041209183833.17170.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41B8A4D6.1090305@primus.ca> Kaizilege Karoma wrote: > --- Jimmy Green wrote: > > >>Kaizilege Karoma wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > I am a Junior Networrk Administrator working >>with one >> > of universities here in Tanzania, East Africa. [snip] > > Actuaaly what I want to do is to connect my server to > the internet so that I can send and receive mail (we > have the domain), the server should be able to run the > database, host mailing list, proxing, file sharing and > also I want to run other services as you can suggest > that can be suitable for the university. It is my > responsibility to advice the management on what > technology to use, also I would like to introduce new > things different than what I mentioned which they are > already used to. > > I want the students and management to enjoy the power > of technology especially Open Source, I am not an > expert on linux, I just attended 6 months course which > was along the CCNA, I am trying to learn more on Open > Source. This is a(the) comprehensive _free_ reference for linux networking http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/nag.html It may be usefull to you,,, as it thoroughly covers most essential stuff Also see the many other references www.tldp.org has for almost all needs > > Yes i want my students to be able to work at Home, the > current server is tested and working. > The server will be running 100 computers. > as for necessairy services,,, may want _samba_ on linux server to network your 100 boxes for file share if your 100 boxes will run linux, mabye? run _nfs_ for file sharing if you need a good general reference for linux i suggest http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runux4/ good luck... > Regards, > Kai > -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second itteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 9 19:34:15 2004 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (Alain Maisonneuve) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:34:15 -0500 Subject: MySQL database schema In-Reply-To: <1102620544.30333.32.camel@galaxy> References: <1102620544.30333.32.camel@galaxy> Message-ID: <1102620855.30337.34.camel@galaxy> I can't spell :) On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 14:29 -0500, Alain Maisonneuve wrote: > Hey all, > > Is there a tool that i could use to generate a database diagram from an > existing MySQL database? > > cheers, > Alain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <20041209135209.24919.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41B8BC1B.6030905@primus.ca> Frank Peng wrote: > Hello, gurus! > > When I ifconfig, I can find eth0 there. No eth1. ifconfig -a shows all; ifconfig shows only those currently up. > When > I ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see both > eth0 and eth1 there. I have configured rc.inet1.conf > for the eth1 interface as: > > IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" > MASK="255.255.255.0" > GATEWAY="" > DHCP="yes" > ... > > My guess is that the rc.inet1 program failed to bring > the eth1 up. > > When I dmesg, I can see one card is RealTek 8139. The > other one is D-Link DFE-530 TXS FAST. When I lnsmod, I > can seee 8139too there but no clue for the D-Link > card. > > Now, please enlighten me, what is the module name for > the D-Link card. It is already detected. Why we cannot > find the module name? It is probed in the kernel, not > my the rc.modules? If so, how can we do something like > alias eth0 8139too > alias eth1 ???? > in /etc/modules.conf ? > the kernel autoprobe is likely returning after finding the first card see: BootPrompt-HOWTO " Most Linux distributions use a bare bones kernel combined with a large selection of modular drivers. The ether= only applies to drivers compiled directly into the kernel." specifying ether=... as a _boot_parameter_ does not work with modules,,, but it does work if a given driver is in the kernel. when you load the correct module, i _think_ that your eth1 device may still point to nowhere..., as it does now... "ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see both > eth0 and eth1 there" a device (eg:eth1) is just a terminus like a mount point,,, the kernel has to reference hardware_port ---> eth1 during init you may have to compile the driver into the kernel for multihoming. i defer to the wiser to for a better explanation... > It seems we should not do any like that in Slackware > 10.0. I am totally lost. > > Thank you! > > Frank Peng. > > -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second itteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 01:50:45 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:50:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to find an Ethernet module name in Slackware 10.0? In-Reply-To: <41B8BC1B.6030905-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <41B8BC1B.6030905@primus.ca> Message-ID: <20041210015045.9319.qmail@web50901.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you guys! I found out that the D-Link DFE530TXS card is using 8139too module.The same as another RealTek 8139D card. So I did alias eth0 8139too options 8139too io=0x5000 irq=11 alias eth1 8139too options 8139too io=0x8e00 irq=10 I used ifconfig eth1 to figuour out the above parameter. But still it cannot boot at boot time. So I changed the rc.inet1.conf as following: eth1: IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" MASK="255.255.255.0" DHCP="" ... When I reboot the computer, I can find both eth0 and eth1 up! But this is useless because I want one card to hook up Internet and another one to the hub. So I took one of the card out and set up this computer as a Linux workstation. It works fine. I have 5 other Slackware 10.0 server/routers. So leave this alone. Thank you guys anyway! Frank Peng. --- Jimmy Green wrote: > > > Frank Peng wrote: > > Hello, gurus! > > > > When I ifconfig, I can find eth0 there. No eth1. > > ifconfig -a shows all; ifconfig shows only those > currently up. > > > When > > I ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see > both > > eth0 and eth1 there. I have configured > rc.inet1.conf > > for the eth1 interface as: > > > > IPADDRESS="10.0.0.1" > > MASK="255.255.255.0" > > GATEWAY="" > > DHCP="yes" > > ... > > > > My guess is that the rc.inet1 program failed to > bring > > the eth1 up. > > > > When I dmesg, I can see one card is RealTek 8139. > The > > other one is D-Link DFE-530 TXS FAST. When I > lnsmod, I > > can seee 8139too there but no clue for the D-Link > > card. > > > > Now, please enlighten me, what is the module name > for > > the D-Link card. It is already detected. Why we > cannot > > find the module name? It is probed in the kernel, > not > > my the rc.modules? If so, how can we do something > like > > alias eth0 8139too > > alias eth1 ???? > > in /etc/modules.conf ? > > > > the kernel autoprobe is likely returning after > finding the first card > > see: BootPrompt-HOWTO > > " Most Linux > distributions use a bare bones kernel combined > with a large selection > of modular drivers. The ether= only applies to > drivers compiled > directly into the kernel." > > specifying ether=... as a _boot_parameter_ does not > work with modules,,, > but it does work if a given driver is in the kernel. > > when you load the correct module, i _think_ that > your eth1 device > may still point to nowhere..., as it does now... > > "ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 then ifconfig, I can see > both > > eth0 and eth1 there" > > a device (eg:eth1) is just a terminus like a mount > point,,, > the kernel has to reference hardware_port ---> eth1 > during init > > you may have to compile the driver into the kernel > for multihoming. > i defer to the wiser to for a better explanation... > > > It seems we should not do any like that in > Slackware > > 10.0. I am totally lost. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Frank Peng. > > > > > > > -- > to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; > timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } > if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to > the second itteration ... > PS, if X implements better method, endless echo > "thanks" ; timetravel 0 > > Jimmy > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akutin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 05:24:54 2004 From: akutin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Alexey Kutin) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:24:54 -0800 Subject: MySQL database squema References: <1102620544.30333.32.camel@galaxy> Message-ID: <001601c4de78$951f1320$dc299918@lucky> Hi, Try DBDesigner http://www.fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/ Good luck Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 03:17:19 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:17:19 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20041209151416.GF8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:28:26PM +1100, Andrew Cowie wrote: > [snip] > > [A more recent example, from the Oracle database world, is to dedicate > > several spindles (especially striped RAID 0) just for the REDO logs - > > they *have* to be written physically to disk before Oracle will report a > > transaction committed; how long it takes for the official data blocks to > > migrate from cache down to permanent storage is less relevant, but one > > generally wants the redo logs to be written as blazingly fast as > > possible; having other disk activity taking place on a device gets int > > the way of that and is to be avoided] > > Oracle with logs on a raid0? Sounds dangerous to the data. I seem to recall this being something where it was recommended to have more than one mirror of them. If you're doing two or three instances of RAID-0-striped transaction logs, you're getting the redundancy from a separate source. > [snip] > > So, if you have a 4 GB drive and some spanky new drive, then one idea > > you might consider is putting swap, /tmp, on the 4 GB, and have the more > > bulky occasional stuff on the other disk. It all depends on what you're > > trying to do with this system. > > And how slow would that make /tmp and swap? 4GB drives are terribly > slow by todays drive speeds. Indeed. It's likely that your newer disk will be faster than the older ones. Unless it's a 140GB drive (right, Drew? ;-))... -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'gmail.com'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/nonrdbms.html "Very little is known about the War of 1812 because the Americans lost it." -- Eric Nicol -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 05:36:30 2004 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (Alain Maisonneuve) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:36:30 -0500 Subject: MySQL database squema In-Reply-To: <001601c4de78$951f1320$dc299918@lucky> References: <1102620544.30333.32.camel@galaxy> <001601c4de78$951f1320$dc299918@lucky> Message-ID: <1102656990.5776.1.camel@galaxy> Yeah.. i have tried that one.. and well i can't get it to connect to the live database.. it keeps complaining about bad username/password.. I have verified both and tried other database users and still no luck.. thoughts? On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 21:24 -0800, Alexey Kutin wrote: > Hi, > > Try DBDesigner > http://www.fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/ > > Good luck > Alex > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 13:54:18 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:54:18 -0500 Subject: How to find an Ethernet module name in Slackware 10.0? In-Reply-To: <20041210015045.9319.qmail-sssFeb+icO6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <41B8BC1B.6030905@primus.ca> <20041210015045.9319.qmail@web50901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041210135417.GJ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 05:50:45PM -0800, Frank Peng wrote: > Thank you guys! > > I found out that the D-Link DFE530TXS card is using > 8139too module.The same as another RealTek 8139D card. > So I did > > alias eth0 8139too > options 8139too io=0x5000 irq=11 > alias eth1 8139too > options 8139too io=0x8e00 irq=10 Those options lines are a bad idea. If PCI doesn't simply autodetect you have way bigger problems, and those values may change in the BIOS any time it feels like it (althought it is unlikely to unless you add or remove other hardware or upgrade the bios). You should never have to pass io and irq info for PCI. only for old non-pnp isa hardware. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 15:17:49 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> >> How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: >> A B C D E F G H I >> 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns >> 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits >> 7 8 9 V W X Y Z > > Ugh. Hint: you want to put heavily-used letters in the home row! > > By the way, tests have shown that even for people with no typing skills -- > this was done back before micros got really common -- alphabetical order > has no speed advantage over QWERTY. Most people don't really have that > good a feel for where a particular letter is in the alphabet. > > Henry Spencer Conclusion: if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it! It's a nice idea to try to improve the keyboard layout, but this has been done many many times, many many years ago at the time of mechanical typewriters, and QWERTY and its variants (i.e. AZERTY in France) always remained the preferred layout. You may end up to be the only person in the world to use your new layout, out of hundreds of MILLIONS of keyboards and typists out there! Also remember that there are 15% of persons who are left-handed. Ever saw a keyboard with a numeric keypad on the left? Nope. Fun exercise nevertheless. Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 15:53:48 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:53:48 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel-2RFepEojUI0ct5LIneo90w@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> Message-ID: <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> Francois Ouellette wrote: > > Conclusion: if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it! Ah, but it is broken. Personal pet peeve: The Num Lock key This key exists because the original IBM PC (Pre TX/AT) had no arrow keys and cluster of 6 above them. So there function was overlyed on the numeric pad. The XT/AT keyboards kept this key for backward campatability to original PC software (And users, I'm sure) However, Today it serves no purpose that I know of, except to have the number pad in the WRONG mode everytime I try to use it. (Type...&^% wrong mode [Num Lock] Type) My Ideal keyboard would have the IBM AT/(PS/2) layout (No Windows Keys), Minus the Num Lock (No un-num-lock function), Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll Lock and Pause/Break keys. Of course, if there are people who use those last three keys regularily, I'd like to know what for? I haven't touched them in years! Lance F. Squire -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 16:06:17 2004 From: gargamel.su-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:06:17 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <41B9C68C.4070100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:53:48 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Francois Ouellette wrote: > My Ideal keyboard would have the IBM AT/(PS/2) layout (No Windows Keys), > Minus the Num Lock (No un-num-lock function), Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll > Lock and Pause/Break keys. maybe you'd like to look at some keyboard options? (i.e. not a standard $5 keyboard) I personally have a kinesis keyboard: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ Their keyboards have a built-in hardware remapping feature, which I find very useful. Lets me remap keys without having to look into what config/script/magic-value I have to set for windows or linux. Just set it at the keyboard and it will lie to the OS for you. Also, the model I have has built-in Dvorak keyboard bindings, so I can switch between Dvorak and Qwerty. At first this made it very hard to learn how to type in Dvorak, and screwed up my qwerty typing. But now that I've gotten used to it, it's pretty easy to switch between the two, like switching between different musical instruments. And by altering the layout once in a while, I find it works my fingers differently and helps reduce fatigue. You might want to look into something like a Happy Hacking keyboard: http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/haphackeyser.html There are many other alternatives out there, ranging from midly different to radically different (and the price variations are just as wide). While I must admit it was hard plunking down a hundred dollars for a keyboard, I find it well worth the money. Think of all the time you've spent being unhappy with the default keyboard you have. What's your time and happiness worth to you? Shop around and buy a better alternative. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 16:11:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:11:47 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <41B9C68C.4070100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041210161147.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 10:53:48AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Francois Ouellette wrote: > > > >Conclusion: if it ain't broken, don't try to fix it! > > Ah, but it is broken. > > Personal pet peeve: The Num Lock key > > This key exists because the original IBM PC (Pre TX/AT) had no arrow > keys and cluster of 6 above them. So there function was overlyed on the > numeric pad. > > The XT/AT keyboards kept this key for backward campatability to original > PC software (And users, I'm sure) > > However, Today it serves no purpose that I know of, except to have the > number pad in the WRONG mode everytime I try to use it. (Type...&^% > wrong mode [Num Lock] Type) So set your system to enable numlock by default when you boot/login, and map the number lock keyt to do something else or nothing. Feel free. It's not that hard to do. I believe in X you can use the shift+numlock key to enable cursor key control of the mouse. / select left button, * middle button, - right button, 5 clicks the selected button, 0 clicks and holds the selected button. cursor keys on number move the mouse pointer. > My Ideal keyboard would have the IBM AT/(PS/2) layout (No Windows Keys), > Minus the Num Lock (No un-num-lock function), Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll > Lock and Pause/Break keys. I use the Windows keys as meta (so I can use alt for other things) and as left and right amiga keys in UAE. Menu key makes a great compose key. > Of course, if there are people who use those last three keys regularily, > I'd like to know what for? I haven't touched them in years! Scroll lock pauses the screen in linux just as it was always meant to do. alt+SysRq allows chaging LOG levels and force sync and various things in Linux. puase was great for pausing the screen in dos. break is very useful on serial consoles on real servers. As for numlock, some people don't like the inverted T and prefer the 2468 positions for the arrows, and for some games having the arrows with home/end/pgup/down as diagonals for movement was rather nice. Sure you could just map the number keys to do that too, but maybe numbers have a better purpose (although anything using scancodes shouldn't care what the meaning of the key is of course). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 16:42:45 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:42:45 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <41B9C68C.4070100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1102696965.7606.3.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 10:53 -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > Personal pet peeve: The Num Lock key > > The XT/AT keyboards kept this key for backward campatability to original > PC software (And users, I'm sure) Ummm, don't forget laptops, where the numeric pad is usually embedded in the 789,uio,jkl keys. You definitely don't want that enabled by default on laptops. > My Ideal keyboard would have the IBM AT/(PS/2) layout (No Windows Keys), > Minus the Num Lock (No un-num-lock function), Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll > Lock and Pause/Break keys. > > Of course, if there are people who use those last three keys regularily, > I'd like to know what for? I haven't touched them in years! Well, the menu key is hand to open an app (usually terminal) when your mouse is not working (usually to fix the mouse). Print screen dumps a png screen capture to disk in Gnome, which is nice. SysRq is used routinely by kernel hackers. Scroll lock is handy in console mode (which strangely never worked in DOS). Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 16:54:16 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:54:16 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102696965.7606.3.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> <1102696965.7606.3.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <41B9D4B8.5010403@alteeve.com> Austin wrote: > Ummm, don't forget laptops, where the numeric pad is usually embedded in > the 789,uio,jkl keys. You definitely don't want that enabled by default > on laptops. > Laptops come with custom keyboards that have custom laptop features (Contrast adjust/ external/internal video on etc.) and key sizes (really tiny function keys etc.) I'm only concerned with my replacable desktop keyboard. Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 16:48:15 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:48:15 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <20041210161147.GK8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> <20041210161147.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41B9D34F.6060309@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > So set your system to enable numlock by default when you boot/login, and > map the number lock keyt to do something else or nothing. Feel free. > It's not that hard to do. > The BIOS is set as such, and I did set X to do it a couple times. Unfortunatly, everytime I upgrade it's gone again, and I can never remember how it was done. There's nothing in the giu to do it. 'Preferences'->'Keyboard' and 'Preferences'->'Keyboard Shortcuts' offer no help. >I use the Windows keys as meta (so I can use alt for other things) and >as left and right amiga keys in UAE. Menu key makes a great compose >key. Didn't know about UAE. Thanks for the Heads up! >alt+SysRq allows chaging LOG levels and force sync and various things > >in Linux. Please elaborate... >puase was great for pausing the screen in dos. I presume you are refering to terminal mode rather than anything in X? >break is very useful on serial consoles on real servers. ??? as apposed to Linux servers??? I don't understand... Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 17:01:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:01:06 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <41B9D34F.6060309-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> <20041210161147.GK8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41B9D34F.6060309@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041210170105.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:48:15AM -0500, Lance F. Squire wrote: > The BIOS is set as such, and I did set X to do it a couple times. > Unfortunatly, everytime I upgrade it's gone again, and I can never > remember how it was done. Well gnome/kde might have an option for it. I tend to turn it on if I want it on which normally I dont since I hardly use the number pad for the most part. I imagine there are utils you can add to .xsession that will turn it on. > There's nothing in the giu to do it. > > 'Preferences'->'Keyboard' and 'Preferences'->'Keyboard Shortcuts' > offer no help. > > >alt+SysRq allows chaging LOG levels and force sync and various things > > >in Linux. > > Please elaborate... If your kernel is compiled with alt+systrq support, then you can do alt+sysrq+s to sync disks, alt+sysrq+0-9 to change default kernel log level. alt+sysrq+shift gives a list. capital letter is the key to hit. You can power off, reset system, sync disk, change log leve, kill processes, show memory use, show cpu state, etc. > I presume you are refering to terminal mode rather than anything in X? Of course. Same with alt+sysrq. > >break is very useful on serial consoles on real servers. > > ??? as apposed to Linux servers??? I don't understand... Yes linux servers running on real hardware, not glorified PCs. Some PC servers do have serial consoles that can actually control the machine (like hard reset, and bios and such). For example, sending break on the serial console of a sun drops you to the boot monitor prompt (even with the OS running), you can then reset or 'go' to continue where it was. Break isn't a character, it's a state on the serial line, hence it's a great interrupt that applications normally shouldn't expect to be able to use. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 19:27:05 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:27:05 +0200 (IST) Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <41B9C68C.4070100-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <26342.209.29.34.110.1102691869.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> <41B9C68C.4070100@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Lance F. Squire wrote: > My Ideal keyboard would have the IBM AT/(PS/2) layout (No Windows Keys), > Minus the Num Lock (No un-num-lock function), Print Screen/SysRq, Scroll Lock > and Pause/Break keys. > > Of course, if there are people who use those last three keys regularily, I'd > like to know what for? I haven't touched them in years! The windows keys can be mapped to popup menus when something (like office or blender) takes over all the other keys. The 'windows' keys consist of two windows keys and one menu key. The latter can be programmed to do just what it says. The Print Screen/SysRq has a role in debugging as it pops up a debug window from the kernel under certain conditions and can be overloaded in X11 to switch keyboard mapping for certain languages. Ditto Scroll Lock. Pause/Break is rarely used but can be overloaded as above. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 22:16:10 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:16:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <20041210170105.GL8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041210170105.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > For example, sending break on the serial console of a sun drops you to > the boot monitor prompt (even with the OS running), you can then reset > or 'go' to continue where it was. Break isn't a character, it's a state > on the serial line, hence it's a great interrupt that applications > normally shouldn't expect to be able to use. And using it to drop the machine into the boot monitor is a *really* bad idea. Because if whatever's connected to that serial console loses power, even momentarily, or if the serial cable is disconnected, even momentarily... your Sun drops into boot monitor. Unless somebody who knows what he's doing is handy, this is effectively a crash. Yes, I speak from experience. The right way to do this is to use a signal which *can't* be confused with untoward physical events on the line. DEC servers used to answer to control-P, but had a front-console switch that could be used to disable this if/when you didn't want them to listen. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 22:19:53 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:19:53 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: References: <20041210170105.GL8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041210221953.GM8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:16:10PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > For example, sending break on the serial console of a sun drops you to > > the boot monitor prompt (even with the OS running), you can then reset > > or 'go' to continue where it was. Break isn't a character, it's a state > > on the serial line, hence it's a great interrupt that applications > > normally shouldn't expect to be able to use. > > And using it to drop the machine into the boot monitor is a *really* bad > idea. Because if whatever's connected to that serial console loses power, > even momentarily, or if the serial cable is disconnected, even > momentarily... your Sun drops into boot monitor. Unless somebody who > knows what he's doing is handy, this is effectively a crash. That is correct. Disconnect the cable from the serial console when not using it on a sun. :) > Yes, I speak from experience. > > The right way to do this is to use a signal which *can't* be confused with > untoward physical events on the line. DEC servers used to answer to > control-P, but had a front-console switch that could be used to disable > this if/when you didn't want them to listen. That's a good solution. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 10 22:52:22 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:52:22 -0500 Subject: OT Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <20041209151234.GA4923-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> <20041209151234.GA4923@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:12:34 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 09:11:36AM -0500, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > > >Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would > >be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to No, they would not. Putting them in alphabetical order makes no sense from a useability perspective, since they keys you use most would be distributed in strange places. The ordering of the alphabet is (as far as I know) somewhat arbitrary. Now, what we should do is rearrange the alphabet in order of statistical frequency in common use... ;) > >How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: > > > > A B C D E F G H I > > 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns > > 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits > > 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z > > > >3 of the vowels (I,O,U) are at the ends of the first 3 rows; > >A is at the beginning of the first row, > >E is symmetrically in the middle of the first row, > >(which is good because E is the most frequently used vowel). Yeah, but being in the top row, it's horrible to try to reach for. I don't care if I can reach it with either hand. > If you are going to develop a new keyboard, why not do something > radical/interesting? How about a ten-key design like that used by > stenographers, where you never lift a finger off it's key, and you type > via chording, giving you 2^10-1 possibilities, which you would rank > based on character set by frequency. One keyboard for all (well, most) > languages. Or use something that's already been invented, like a Dvorak layout, which is just as intuitive and useable as the QWERTY keyboard for beginners, but performs better for experienced typists. Using chording would be neat, but when I look around work I see computer programmers, and I think that most of them can touch type...but not all. Asking these people to go to a Dvorak layout would be somewhat ludicrious, but at least it can be made into a software choice. (the ten-key chording thing could be, if keyboards weren't wired the way they are: generally unable to keep track of more than 2 "non-control" keypresses at once) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 02:27:56 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:27:56 -0500 Subject: Projector Question... Message-ID: <012401c4df29$06e8f4c0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I am attempting to line up a video projector that I can beg, borrow or steal for the next TLUG meeting (this coming Tuesday). Can anyone help, or does anyone know someone who can help, if so please let me know ASAP. Thanks. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 14:05:52 2004 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:05:52 -0500 Subject: Canadian small business tax software / online Message-ID: <20041211090552.545a2ea5@pino> Is there any Canadian small business tax software that will run on Linux or be available through the web (with Mozilla)? In the past I have used QuickTax for small businesses under Windows, but their "small business edition" is not available on-line http://www.quicktaxweb.ca (only the personal edition). As a side note, their on-line version doesn't want to run on Mozilla. Thanks, Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 15:32:32 2004 From: ab460-0l1pH2CMacvR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org (SlackRat) Date: 11 Dec 2004 10:32:32 -0500 Subject: Canadian small business tax software / online In-Reply-To: <20041211090552.545a2ea5@pino> References: <20041211090552.545a2ea5@pino> Message-ID: <87ekhwq29b.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> http://www.ufile.ca good as any if by ''small business'' you really mean T1 tax returns -- Slackrat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 16:02:58 2004 From: josephkubik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Joseph Kubik) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:02:58 -0500 Subject: Configuring the Keyboard ? In-Reply-To: <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: My solution long ago worked on both Linux and windows. Steps: 1. Get needle-nose pliers. 2. Firmly grasp the keyboard in one hand. 3. Using the other hand grab the CAP LOCK key with the pliers and rocking pack and forth, PULL. Yes, I actually did this to most of my keyboards. I use the insert key in window often, so that I can fill out a form provided in MS-word, without printing it (or reformating). -Joseph- On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:11:36 -0500, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > Does anyone on this list know how to configure the keyboard ? > > I have two frequent irritations: > > I Never want Overwrite Mode and I Never want Caps-Lock On, > yet when I am typing some text, one or the other > "accidentally" (mysteriously) gets set On. > > When I notice that the text that I thought I was inserting is actually > overwriting some text that I want to keep, I key the Insert Key to > toggle Overwite Off, and then (if I can remember) re-write the text > that was overwritten (this happened while I was typing this email). > > When I notice that the text that I thought was (mostly) in lower case > is in fact in ALL CAPS, then I key the Caps Lock key to set Caps Lock > Off, erase everything that I just typed and re-type it in (mostly) > lower case. > > I'd like to permanently disable the Overwrite and ALL-CAPS modes under > both Linux (Mandrake 8.x) and Windows (XP), which would include > disabling the Insert and Caps-Lock keys > > It would be preferable to configure a single Keyboard Driver > (used by all application programs) so that the disabling would > apply to all application programs that receive keyboard input. > > I found out how to make Windows Beep when Caps Lock gets set on > (which alerts me to press the Caps Lock key to set it Off), but > couldn't find out how to do this for Insert/Overwrite, > nor how to permanently disable either of them. > > Incidentally, in an ideal world the 26 letters of our alphabet would > be arranged in alphabetical order; the QWERTY order was designed to > slow down (I kid you not) typing on mechanical typewriters to reduce > the occurrence of key-hammer jams; it is an unfortunate legacy that > we are still using that slow-you-down arrangement when its purpose > has not pertained since mechanical typewriters were displaced by > electric typewriters, and later by electronic input. > > How about this for a (partial) keyboard arrangement: > > A B C D E F G H I > 1 2 3 J K L M N O 4 rows x 9 columns > 4 5 6 P Q R S T U = 36 characters = 26 letters + 10 digits > 7 8 9 0 V W X Y Z > > 3 of the vowels (I,O,U) are at the ends of the first 3 rows; > A is at the beginning of the first row, > E is symmetrically in the middle of the first row, > (which is good because E is the most frequently used vowel). > > Geoffrey Hunter > Chemistry Building Room 318 > York University, 4700 Keele Street > Toronto, Ontario, Canada M3J1P3 > Office: 416-736-5306 > Office Fax: 416-736-5936 > email: GHunter-4mebg6r7xUY at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 19:09:49 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:09:49 -0500 Subject: Projector Question... In-Reply-To: <012401c4df29$06e8f4c0$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <012401c4df29$06e8f4c0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041213190949.76D1D4305@cbbrowne.com> > I am attempting to line up a video projector that I can beg, borrow or steal > for the next TLUG meeting (this coming Tuesday). Can anyone help, or does > anyone know someone who can help, if so please let me know ASAP. Thanks. "Net Force Five" will be coming to the rescue, although likely only three of us will make it... -- wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('cbbrowne','gmail.com'). http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/advocacy.html Visualize whirled peas. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 05:39:33 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:39:33 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian Message-ID: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Hello THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error "mkinitrd: cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? Paul========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 01:40:43 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: 12 Dec 2004 20:40:43 -0500 Subject: Problems with installing kernel binary on Debian Message-ID: <1102902043.7085.3.camel@gandalf> The following email was sent earlier, and it contains a correction. The correct kernel version is 2.6.8, not 2.2.8. In addition, the system is relatively up-to-date (updated to to "testing"). Hello I have been having problems installing the kernel binary for version 2.6.8 on a machine with an AMD K7 on Debian. There is a config script that appears to run mkinintrd, and it exits with an error "cpu: command not found". here is the full text of the error. Hope someone can help: Script started on Sun Dec 12 20:14:35 2004 gandalf:/etc/apt bash (32) # apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1659 not upgraded. 1 packages not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 (2.6.8-10) ... /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: cpu: command not found Failed to create initrd image. dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 29 Errors were encountered while processing: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 localepurge: processing locale files ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) gandalf:/etc/apt bash (2) # Script done on Sun Dec 12 20:14:55 2004 Thanks Paul King -- Paul King -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 16:55:50 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:55:50 -0500 Subject: Real Pink Bunny Warriors Message-ID: <41BDC996.6050408@knet.ca> two of my 24x7 linux business servers [root at lr1 root]# uptime 12:21:23 up 472 days, 22 min, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.05, 0.01 [root at lr1 root]# 11:57am up 143 days, 3:56, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 [root at bob root]# [root at bob root]# rebooting the for a well deserved upgrade this week..oh well. real pink bunny warriors! :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 21:54:37 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:54:37 -0500 Subject: Problems with installing kernel binary on Debian In-Reply-To: <1102902043.7085.3.camel@gandalf> References: <1102902043.7085.3.camel@gandalf> Message-ID: <20041213215436.GN8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 08:40:43PM -0500, Paul King wrote: > The following email was sent earlier, and it contains a correction. The > correct kernel version is 2.6.8, not 2.2.8. In addition, the system is > relatively up-to-date (updated to to "testing"). > > Hello > > I have been having problems installing the kernel binary for version > 2.6.8 on a machine with an AMD K7 on Debian. There is a config script > that appears to run mkinintrd, and it exits with an error "cpu: command > not found". here is the full text of the error. Hope someone can help: > > Script started on Sun Dec 12 20:14:35 2004 > gandalf:/etc/apt bash (32) # apt-get -f install > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1659 not > upgraded. > 1 packages not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. > Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 (2.6.8-10) ... > /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: cpu: command not found > Failed to create initrd image. > dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 (--configure): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 29 > Errors were encountered while processing: > kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 > localepurge: processing locale files ... > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > gandalf:/etc/apt bash (2) # > Script done on Sun Dec 12 20:14:55 2004 I have never seen that before, and I haven't seen the cpu command before. Hmm. Closest I can find is cpuid. Might be a bug in initrd-tools. I can't actually find any reference to that error anywhere, do you have anything custom in /etc/mkinitrd/ or is this just plain simple defaults? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 21:55:30 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:55:30 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <20041213215530.GO8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 12:39:33AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 > kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the > system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error > "mkinitrd: cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. > > Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? Is initrd-tools and module-init-tools up to date before installing the kernel? You seem to have over a thousand packages not up to date. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 19:56:01 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:56:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Projector Question... In-Reply-To: <20041213190949.76D1D4305-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041213190949.76D1D4305@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20041213195601.63089.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Christopher Browne wrote: > > I am attempting to line up a video projector that > I can beg, borrow or steal > > for the next TLUG meeting (this coming Tuesday). > Can anyone help, or does > > anyone know someone who can help, if so please let > me know ASAP. Thanks. > > "Net Force Five" will be coming to the rescue, > although likely only > three of us will make it... I just want to make sure I am clear on this. I take it you have a projector that you will bring to tomorrow's TLUG meeting, right? The reason I ask is because I have lined up a BULKY 640x480 monochrome projector that I will bring if I am not 100% sure there will be a better projector at the meeting. If you are going to be there with a better projector than the one I have lined up, then very many thanks, I do appreciate your offer, and I will happily leave the monochrome projector I have lined up at the office. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 18:40:35 2004 From: dave.stubbs-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Dave Stubbs) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:40:35 -0500 Subject: TWCN In-Reply-To: References: <200412090153.52652.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <1102601496.41b85d182b9a9@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <41BDE223.4040502@utoronto.ca> Whatever happened to the Toronto Wireless Community Network? Their web page hasn't changed in almost 3 years... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 12 01:30:54 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:30:54 +0000 Subject: JOB: Google: Data Center Technician - Toronto Message-ID: <200412120130.54077.jason@detachednetworks.ca> For those who might be interested http://jobsearch.monster.ca/getjob.asp?JobID=25715859 Data Center Technician: Contract positions in Toronto, Canada. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 12 12:46:23 2004 From: david-nuEF980otx7IfpyC97YFaV6hYfS7NtTn at public.gmane.org (David Colebatch) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:46:23 +1100 Subject: MySQL database squema In-Reply-To: <1102656990.5776.1.camel@galaxy> References: <1102620544.30333.32.camel@galaxy> <001601c4de78$951f1320$dc299918@lucky> <1102656990.5776.1.camel@galaxy> Message-ID: <200412122346.23642.david@dingodave.cjb.net> On Friday 10 December 2004 16:36, Alain Maisonneuve wrote: > Yeah.. i have tried that one.. and well i can't get it to connect to the > live database.. it keeps complaining about bad username/password.. > > I have verified both and tried other database users and still no luck.. Did you verify that those users also had permissions connecting from the host you are trying to connect from, rather than just "localhost" or 127.0.0.1? Just an idea, not sure of your setup :S -David -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 22:51:06 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:51:06 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <200412131751.06685.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 13 December 2004 00:39, Paul King wrote: > THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 > kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the > system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error > "mkinitrd: cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. Wierd. > Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? Nope. Try making the initrd "by hand" (mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7), do you get the same error (hopefully you do). mkinitrd is just a shell script so you can debug it fairly easily, perhaps: sh -vx /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7 You didn't force the kernel in did you? There might be other packages that need updating before the new kernel can work (modutils, module-init-tools, mkinitrd, etc.). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 15:48:28 2004 From: bassix-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Steve) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:48:28 -0500 Subject: Palm OS on Linux Message-ID: Hi, Just wondered if anyone here read this info or had any comments on this... Below is a link of an open letter from PalmSource to the Linux community: http://palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7383 Sounds very interesting, especially for Palm and Linux users... but I guess time will tell. :-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 23:29:53 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:29:53 -0500 Subject: Palm OS on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041213232953.CD4744305@cbbrowne.com> > Hi, > > Just wondered if anyone here read this info or had any comments on this... > > Below is a link of an open letter from PalmSource to the Linux community: > > http://palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7383 > > Sounds very interesting, especially for Palm and Linux users... but I > guess time will tell. :-) You're assuming it is a matter of particular relevance. I don't. They are _not_ planning to "free" the layers of PalmOS that sit above the OS kernel, namely the GUI and storage services. As a result, the PalmOS system that falls out of that will be no more (or less) meaningfully integratable with other Linux-based systems than it is now. In effect, PalmSource will be creating their own software layer that will replace everything from init on up. As a result, while, at the lowest level, it may be Linux, there won't be init, there won't be GLIBC, and there won't be any number of other such things that "Linux application" expect to have around. It'll be "Linux," but only in that particularly strict sense that includes only the kernel released by Linus Torvalds, and which pointedly does NOT include the other stuff like GLIBC, GNU utilities, and such that are NOT "Linux." -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "gmail.com") http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxkernel.html "Keep your arms and legs attached to your torso at all times." -- griswold-AVBn4Hm4RctiK979QBapAg at public.gmane.org (Eric Griswold) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 13 21:56:06 2004 From: tgoodaire-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Tim Goodaire) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:56:06 -0500 Subject: Projector Question... In-Reply-To: <20041213195601.63089.qmail-p6KvMhi7PWKB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> References: <20041213195601.63089.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41BE0FF6.5020601@linux.ca> Yes. We have a very nice little projector that we'll be bringing to the meeting for you. You can leave your bulky monochrome projector behind. Tim Colin McGregor wrote: >I just want to make sure I am clear on this. I take it >you have a projector that you will bring to tomorrow's >TLUG meeting, right? The reason I ask is because I >have lined up a BULKY 640x480 monochrome projector >that I will bring if I am not 100% sure there will be >a better projector at the meeting. If you are going to >be there with a better projector than the one I have >lined up, then very many thanks, I do appreciate your >offer, and I will happily leave the monochrome >projector I have lined up at the office. > >Colin McGregor >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 11 22:52:12 2004 From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:52:12 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <20041210031719.40E4A4501-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >>>So, if you have a 4 GB drive and some spanky new drive, then one idea >>>you might consider is putting swap, /tmp, on the 4 GB, and have the more >>>bulky occasional stuff on the other disk. It all depends on what you're >>>trying to do with this system. >>> >>> >>And how slow would that make /tmp and swap? 4GB drives are terribly >>slow by todays drive speeds. >> >> > >Indeed. It's likely that your newer disk will be faster than the older >ones. > >Unless it's a 140GB drive (right, Drew? ;-)).. > 4GB commodity disk? That's gotta be about 6 years old, right? Guaranteed any new disk (except laptop gear, which I know almost nothing about) will seek faster. It's almost guaranteed to die in the next year or two anyway. Personally, I'd throw the 4GB in the trash. Or crack it open and make some ninja frisbees. If you're dead set on keeping it, you could use it for a log partition, or something that gets mostly sequential writes without seeing too much performance degradation. You really want to learn about SMART before you move any data onto that disk though. If you haven't picked your new drive, I'd suggest a WD Raptor (assuming that you've got good power and cooling in your chassis, obviously). Last I checked (about 7 months ago), they had the best seek times. Which is not a big surprise since they based on mid-range SCSI disks with a SATA interface. They're also 10kRPM disks, so sequential reads and writes can really get some value out of that SATA interface. They aren't particularly cheap however. Drew -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 00:01:08 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:01:08 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <41BB7A1C.1030700-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <20041213190108.4d32bb30.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:52:12 -0500 Andrew Hammond wrote: > 4GB commodity disk? That's gotta be about 6 years old, right? Guaranteed > any new disk (except laptop gear, which I know almost nothing about) > will seek faster. It's almost guaranteed to die in the next year or two > anyway. Personally, I'd throw the 4GB in the trash. Or crack it open and > make some ninja frisbees. > Yes, it is, almost exactly, 6 years old! I think the general consensus here is either to get rid of the disk entirely, or to use it for minimal purposes. I'll probably do the former, even though it has served me well for the past 6 years and hasn't caused any problems. Oh well, I'll always remember it! > > > If you haven't picked your new drive, I'd suggest a WD Raptor (assuming > that you've got good power and cooling in your chassis, obviously). Last > I checked (about 7 months ago), they had the best seek times. Which is > not a big surprise since they based on mid-range SCSI disks with a SATA > interface. They're also 10kRPM disks, so sequential reads and writes can > really get some value out of that SATA interface. They aren't > particularly cheap however. That sounds a little too expensive and high-end for my purposes :-O I'm not running a high performance server or anything, and I haven't found my IDE 4 GB hard drive's speed to be intolerable. I haven't found it that much different from my 20 GBer. So I guess I'm not much of a speed-sensitive person. I don't have a SATA or SCSI controller, and I don't really know much about them. I think I'll just get a simple IDE drive unless you folks can give me a compelling reason not to! :-P I think I'll just leave Windows on the 20 GB hard drive; it doesn't need any more space than it already has! Moving the Linux data to another disk is a trivial task and one that I'm fairly comfortable with. I imagine I'd have to reinstall GRUB though, unless things work out naturally -- right now (using unix, not grub, terminology) /dev/hda is the 4 GBer and hdb is the 20 GBer. If I insert the new drive, copy everything from the 4 GB to the new one, turn the computer off, take out the 4 GB, put the new one in its place and turn the computer on, will it work out ok? Thanks for the replies everyone, I really appreciate it! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 00:10:30 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:10:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: disk choice (was Re:Strategies after...) In-Reply-To: <41BB7A1C.1030700-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Andrew Hammond wrote: > If you haven't picked your new drive, I'd suggest a WD Raptor (assuming > that you've got good power and cooling in your chassis, obviously)... Thinking of which... Is there any current wisdom on preferred choice of drive if your priority is reliable operation despite poor cooling, with all performance issues very much secondary? Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 00:21:01 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:21:01 -0500 Subject: Projector Question... References: <20041213195601.63089.qmail@web88206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <41BE0FF6.5020601@linux.ca> Message-ID: <006701c4e172$cb22e6c0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> FANTASTIC, Thank you. "Tim Goodaire" on Monday, December 13, 2004 4:56 PM wrote: > Yes. We have a very nice little projector that we'll be bringing to the > meeting for you. > > You can leave your bulky monochrome projector behind. > > Tim > > Colin McGregor wrote: > > >I just want to make sure I am clear on this. I take it > >you have a projector that you will bring to tomorrow's > >TLUG meeting, right? The reason I ask is because I > >have lined up a BULKY 640x480 monochrome projector > >that I will bring if I am not 100% sure there will be > >a better projector at the meeting. If you are going to > >be there with a better projector than the one I have > >lined up, then very many thanks, I do appreciate your > >offer, and I will happily leave the monochrome > >projector I have lined up at the office. > > > >Colin McGregor > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 00:37:01 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:37:01 -0500 Subject: Losing a file handle in perl Message-ID: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> Hi all, I hope all my questions aren't a pain! I have been re-writting my program heavily (my first go was to "get it working", now I'm making it work well). Part of this process was to create a library file for sub routines. I have a section where the main program calls a subroutine which in the process of running launches other sub routines and sometimes itself a second time. The script seems to be working fine because the program is working through and past this call but what I do lose is an open filehandle I use to write my logs out to. The first sub routine called by the program will write out to the file right up to the last line but once it returns the main program will no longer write out to the open file. I know the problem isn't in the main file because if I remark the sub routine call the log file stays open (??) or at least continues to get data. The open log file works (I can write data to it) through all of the sub-routine jumps and returns... It's just the last return that seems to cause problems. Has anyone run into this before? Have any suggestions or pointers? As always, thank you all very much! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 00:48:31 2004 From: akodian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Adil Kodian) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:48:31 -0700 Subject: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <41BE35AD.3090102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: The script seems to be working fine because the program is working through and past this call but what I do lose is an open filehandle I use to write my logs out to. The first sub routine called by the program will write out to the file right up to the last line but once it returns the main program will no longer write out to the open file. not specific to perl - for programs that dont have much of IO - an easy way is to always do an 'append' open of a file every time you want to write to it, and then flush the buffer and close it. If FilePointer == NULL then FilePointer = fopen("filename","append"); This way you always get all the contents of the file even if the program crashes in the middle. The first time you open the file you open it as write - in case you want to blank the file. Also if youre forking new processes in perl, always remember to have a thread_id written in a filename.lock file - so that other processes dont open the file before youve closed it in one process. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:08:00 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:08:00 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <41BE35AD.3090102-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> This has to be the oddest bug I ever came across... it's fixed, and I'll write what happened in case it helps someone later: After sending this message I tried to look at the source of the page being displayed (web-interface). The very, very odd thing was that the source was for an entirely different page from what was being displayed. The source was the source you would see when you first start the program before you have logged in even though what was being displayed was a page from within the program (where it displays partition information). The actual, current partition information was being rendered and displayed by the browser but the source was different anyway. This was try after clearing the cache and even in a separate browser that I had never run the program in. I also tried closing and re-opening the file handle after returning to the main script but that didn't help as well. So, not knowing what else to try, I started temporarily deleting chunks of code until the problem went away. Doing this I narrowed the problem down to, of all things, a simple variable that I wasn't using any more. The oddest part is that the string variable ($tspace) is not used or called anywhere anymore. It -should- have simply been empty or null. Once I changed it to use the proper string variable name ($image_name{'tspace'}) the problem went away, the right source was shown in the browser and the logs started working again. Can anyone explain how this could happen? Thanks! Madison Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope all my questions aren't a pain! > > I have been re-writting my program heavily (my first go was to "get it > working", now I'm making it work well). Part of this process was to > create a library file for sub routines. I have a section where the main > program calls a subroutine which in the process of running launches > other sub routines and sometimes itself a second time. > > The script seems to be working fine because the program is working > through and past this call but what I do lose is an open filehandle I > use to write my logs out to. The first sub routine called by the program > will write out to the file right up to the last line but once it returns > the main program will no longer write out to the open file. I know the > problem isn't in the main file because if I remark the sub routine call > the log file stays open (??) or at least continues to get data. > > The open log file works (I can write data to it) through all of the > sub-routine jumps and returns... It's just the last return that seems to > cause problems. > > Has anyone run into this before? Have any suggestions or pointers? > > As always, thank you all very much! > > Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:33:45 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:33:45 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <20041213215530.GO8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <41BE0AB9.23395.48437F1@localhost> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 12:39:33AM -0500, Paul King wrote: > > THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 > > kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the > > system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error "mkinitrd: > > cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. > > > > Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? > > Is initrd-tools and module-init-tools up to date before installing the > kernel? You seem to have over a thousand packages not up to date. > The problem of the packages has since been fixed, although it was a bit tricky, as I started with a broken installation system. It now runs pretty clean, except for the "mkinitrd: cpu: command not found" error. Sorry about the confusion, but I was expecting my email to propagate faster than it did. It seems that it takes 18-24 hours before I see my messages and other people's responses. All the while, messages intervene from other TLUGgers on other topics. Hope that clears things up. Paul King > Lennart Sorensen > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:41:07 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:41:07 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <200412131751.06685.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <41BE0C73.14483.48AF60E@localhost> > On Monday 13 December 2004 00:39, Paul King wrote: > > > THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 > > kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the > > system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error "mkinitrd: > > cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. a slight correction here. After checking /boot/, mkinitrd does exist, but it is just a zero-length file. > > Wierd. > > > Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? > > Nope. > > Try making the initrd "by hand" (mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7), do you get > the same error (hopefully you do). > > mkinitrd is just a shell script so you can debug it fairly easily, perhaps: > > sh -vx /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7 > > You didn't force the kernel in did you? There might be other packages that need > updating before the new kernel can work (modutils, module-init-tools, mkinitrd, > etc.). > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:41:07 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:41:07 -0500 Subject: Problems with installing kernel binary on Debian In-Reply-To: <20041213215436.GN8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1102902043.7085.3.camel@gandalf> Message-ID: <41BE0C73.21140.48AF5F0@localhost> > I have never seen that before, and I haven't seen the cpu command > before. Hmm. Closest I can find is cpuid. > > Might be a bug in initrd-tools. > > I can't actually find any reference to that error anywhere, do you have > anything custom in /etc/mkinitrd/ or is this just plain simple defaults? I have never had reason to change mkinitrd, nor would I have reason to use it, except to be run by other scripts duing kernel installation. I am suspecting that the "cpu" string is being misinterpreted by mkinitrd as a command of some kind. That is, unless mkinitrd is a shell script. Paul ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:42:12 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:42:12 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <200412131751.06685.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <41BE0CB4.6153.48BF71B@localhost> From: Fraser Campbell Date sent: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:51:06 -0500 > On Monday 13 December 2004 00:39, Paul King wrote: > > > THis is my third attempt at writing. I have attemtped to install the 2.6.8 > > kernel binaries (precompiled from Debian) on to my Debian system. When the > > system attempts to write the /boot/initrd file, it gets an error "mkinitrd: > > cpu: command not found", and I get no initrd. > > Wierd. > > > Any ideas as to what part of the installation is causing the error? > > Nope. > > Try making the initrd "by hand" (mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7), do you get > the same error (hopefully you do). > > mkinitrd is just a shell script so you can debug it fairly easily, perhaps: > > sh -vx /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /dev/null 2.6.8-1-k7 Thanks, I will try that. Paul > > You didn't force the kernel in did you? There might be other packages that need > updating before the new kernel can work (modutils, module-init-tools, mkinitrd, > etc.). > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 02:48:35 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:48:35 -0500 Subject: Kernel installation on Debian In-Reply-To: <200412131751.06685.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41BCE4C5.24801.7F698@localhost> Message-ID: <41BE0E33.12310.491CBEA@localhost> > You didn't force the kernel in did you? There might be other packages that need > updating before the new kernel can work (modutils, module-init-tools, mkinitrd, > etc.). > Sorry about answering this piecemeal. You bring up some good points, and I am rushing through other email. All of these packages (and much more) have been upgraded in a general system upgrade. I have done the required version checking, and all versions are equal to or above the recommended versions, and that includes glibc6. Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:24:37 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:24:37 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD Message-ID: Hi folks, My chorus is going into the recording studio next week (Metalworks in Mississauga) and we've decided we're really interested in getting an external HD with firewire connection -- that will save us $$$ from having the studio burn our session onto CDs. I've checked my favourite place Sonnam (sonnam.com) and they have an 80G and a 160G unit listed, but both are out of stock. Future Shop has a Maxtor 250G for $400 that looks like it would do. I've also seen a Data Silo product from storcase.com, the DS231, but no price on that, and our date is next Tuesday, so I have to act fast. Anyone else bought one of these units recently? I'd love to get some guidance on good/bad units, things to watch out for, places (within the GTA if possible) that you'd recommend. Thanks! Alex Beamish -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:32:15 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:32:15 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? Message-ID: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> What are the best Open Source packages out there? Let's say I want to import comma-delimited point data, and plot it on a map of Canada (or the world for that matter). I'd like to be able to have the points colour-coded by value ranges. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:36:39 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:36:39 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> If you aren't set on firewire, I have a nice USB2 external box with swappable carriers (I also have a couple 80GB drives) that you are welcome to borrow for the day (or two). Madison Alex Beamish wrote: > Hi folks, > > My chorus is going into the recording studio next week (Metalworks in > Mississauga) and we've decided we're really interested in getting an > external HD with firewire connection -- that will save us $$$ from > having the studio burn our session onto CDs. I've checked my favourite > place Sonnam (sonnam.com) and they have an 80G and a 160G unit listed, > but both are out of stock. Future Shop has a Maxtor 250G for $400 that > looks like it would do. I've also seen a Data Silo product from > storcase.com, the DS231, but no price on that, and our date is next > Tuesday, so I have to act fast. > > Anyone else bought one of these units recently? I'd love to get some > guidance on good/bad units, things to watch out for, places (within > the GTA if possible) that you'd recommend. Thanks! > > Alex Beamish -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:44:58 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:44:58 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BE6DD7.4040107-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:36:39 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > If you aren't set on firewire, I have a nice USB2 external box with > swappable carriers (I also have a couple 80GB drives) that you are > welcome to borrow for the day (or two). It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works -- they're offering to record directly onto a Firewire external HD instead of onto their system. I'm guessing that USB is too slow, although I see from some of the older messages USB 2.0 is fine. Apart from that I'd love to take you up on your offer. However, I may talk to them and see if they can make use of a USB connection instead .. so let me amend my answer to 'maybe' ;) and I'll call the guy up and see what I can see. And I'll be happy to provide you with a copy of the finished product and/or seats to our annual show in April if you'd like. All we'd need to do would be to dump the data onto backup CDs or DVDs afterwards. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:58:00 2004 From: cinetron-uEvt2TsIf2EsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jim Ruxton) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:58:00 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> Message-ID: <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> I'd love to see this but will be out of town. It brings up something I've been thinking of however. I'm getting my Mom a computer finally and was wondering what to put on it. I don't want her to have to deal with viruses, Windose etc. so was thinking of just loading the machine with a Knoppix CD. Does this make sense versus putting a full Linux install on the harddrive? I assume there is a way she could save her email and weblinks to a hard drive. This way whenever I see her I could just bring the latest Knoppix CD. Any advice? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Sullivan" To: Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm > Date: Dec 14, 2004 > Time: 7:30pm > Speaker: Colin McGregor > Topic: The Temporary Internet Lounge > > Details: > Colin McGregor will talk about the issues associated with setting > up a temporary Internet lounge using Knoppix Linux. A central part > of this talk will be customising Knoppix to fit the needs of such > a lounge. This talk will be illustrated with examples drawn from > Colin McGregor's experiences successfully setting up such a lounge > of 28 machines at the 2003 World Science Fiction Convention. The > basis of this talk will be an article he wrote for Linux Journal > (which is due to appear in the February 2005 issue (and which > should be on newstands starting the first week of January)). > > Colin McGregor is a system administrator with over 5 years experience > in a number of commercial and not-for-profit ISPs. > > > For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ > > Location: Galbraith Building, U of T > Room: GB244 > > Please note, we are back in our old room. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. http://tlug.ss.org > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 04:59:08 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:59:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works -- they're offering to > record directly onto a Firewire external HD instead of onto their > system. I'm guessing that USB is too slow, although I see from some of > the older messages USB 2.0 is fine. Apart from that I'd love to take > you up on your offer. > > However, I may talk to them and see if they can make use of a USB > connection instead .. so let me amend my answer to 'maybe' ;) and I'll > call the guy up and see what I can see. > > And I'll be happy to provide you with a copy of the finished product > and/or seats to our annual show in April if you'd like. All we'd need > to do would be to dump the data onto backup CDs or DVDs afterwards. > > Alex Theoretical bandwidth on USB2.0 is higher than standard firewire (480Mbps vs 400Mbps). I doubt they expect you to have a Firewire2 drive and also I am sure their system has USB2 if the machine is more or less new. At any rate, find out and let me know. Mind me asking what kind of music you guys are recording? Good luck! Madison PS - I would love to hear/see your work. :) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 05:15:57 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:15:57 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BE731C.3070900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:59:08 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: > > > > It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works -- they're offering to > > record directly onto a Firewire external HD instead of onto their > > system. I'm guessing that USB is too slow, although I see from some of > > the older messages USB 2.0 is fine. Apart from that I'd love to take > > you up on your offer. > > > > However, I may talk to them and see if they can make use of a USB > > connection instead .. so let me amend my answer to 'maybe' ;) and I'll > > call the guy up and see what I can see. > > > > And I'll be happy to provide you with a copy of the finished product > > and/or seats to our annual show in April if you'd like. All we'd need > > to do would be to dump the data onto backup CDs or DVDs afterwards. > > > > Alex > > Theoretical bandwidth on USB2.0 is higher than standard firewire > (480Mbps vs 400Mbps). I doubt they expect you to have a Firewire2 drive > and also I am sure their system has USB2 if the machine is more or less > new. At any rate, find out and let me know. Mind me asking what kind of > music you guys are recording? Good luck! I sing with the Northern Lights chorus -- http://northernlightschorus.com -- we're a men's chorus of about 50 that sings four part close harmony. We're a chapter of the Barbershop Harmony Society, but we sing all kinds of different music, not just the stuff that's 100 years old. We've earned silver medals at our last four appearances at the International Convention that takes place annually -- this is our third CD that we're working on. Anyway, more info on the web site. > PS - I would love to hear/see your work. :) We just had our Annual Christmas show, but we are performing up in Barrie in January, then there's our Annual show in April at the Toronto Centre for the Arts. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 05:32:29 2004 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:32:29 -0500 Subject: Palm OS on Linux In-Reply-To: <20041213232953.CD4744305-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041213232953.CD4744305@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20041214003229.4a2b85ce.jvetterli@linux.ca> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:29:53 -0500 > > Below is a link of an open letter from PalmSource to the Linux > > community: http://palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=7383 I think one benefit will be for people trying to develop software for palms using linux-based tools. You can build gcc to cross-compile for the palm's m68k, and there's prc-tools for creating the resource files you need, but the recent emulators that are provided for testing only run on windows. There's the pose simulator, but that only simulates the older palm units. Plus, I still have nightmares from the time I tried to compile pose on linux :) A linux-based palm-os layer should let you test your app right on your linux box. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 06:55:23 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:55:23 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BE731C.3070900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <1103007323.15891.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 23:59 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Theoretical bandwidth on USB2.0 is higher than standard firewire > (480Mbps vs 400Mbps). True, but don't be fooled by specs. While USB 2.0 has a higher maximum theoretical throughput, almost all studies have found that firewire has lower latancy, lower CPU usage, and more consistent sustained A/V throughput. http://www.frozentech.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=7&Itemid=1 for example. Now if linux support is what you're looking for... foolproof, cross-platform, hardware support, USB2 is the way to go... but if you have a single machine to use that supports both, Firewire is almost certainly preferable for audio/video applications. I'm just sayin' is all. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 06:51:38 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041214064743.C35920@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Alex Beamish wrote: > My chorus is going into the recording studio next week (Metalworks in > Mississauga) and we've decided we're really interested in getting an > external HD with firewire connection -- that will save us $$$ from > having the studio burn our session onto CDs. I've checked my favourite > place Sonnam (sonnam.com) and they have an 80G and a 160G unit listed, > but both are out of stock. Future Shop has a Maxtor 250G for $400 that > looks like it would do. I've also seen a Data Silo product from > storcase.com, the DS231, but no price on that, and our date is next > Tuesday, so I have to act fast. > > Anyone else bought one of these units recently? I'd love to get some The enclosures are common in cut price computer shops. I normally buy the enclosure and put in my drive of choice. > guidance on good/bad units, things to watch out for, places (within > the GTA if possible) that you'd recommend. Thanks! I've bought a couple - they are "no name" but just keep on running. One is several years old and made regular trips in my back pack on a bicycle for a few months. I've never had any issues. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 12:01:18 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:01:18 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? In-Reply-To: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> References: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> Message-ID: <41BED60E.8080807@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > What are the best Open Source packages out there? Let's say I want to >import comma-delimited point data, and plot it on a map of Canada (or >the world for that matter). I'd like to be able to have the points >colour-coded by value ranges. > I'm a bit rusty on GIS knowledge, but these sites should help: http://gislounge.com/ll/opensource.shtml http://opensourcegis.org/ The only Open Source package I have some knowledge of is GRASS but it's very large and can be overkill for simple thematic mapping. Look here: http://gislounge.com/ll/grass.shtml http://grass.itc.it/ Here are some others that might fit the bill: http://www.sourcepole.com/sources/software/gis-knoppix/ http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/index.html http://openmap.bbn.com/ paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 12:07:27 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:07:27 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? In-Reply-To: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> References: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> Message-ID: <41BED77F.1080905@rogers.com> Walter Dnes wrote: > What are the best Open Source packages out there? Let's say I want to >import comma-delimited point data, and plot it on a map of Canada (or >the world for that matter). I'd like to be able to have the points >colour-coded by value ranges. > One other site to check: http://www.qgis.org/ paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 12:15:37 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:15:37 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <006301c4e1d6$9f06f220$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Knoppix's great strength is in temporary/short term solutions to problems. Yes, Knoppix does support saving information to USB memory keys, and/or hard drives, but not without a (little) bit of jumping through hoops. My inclination would be in a case like yours to go with a more conventional install, be it Fedora, Debian, Suse, or ..... then for updates just use the conventional package management tools (read the likes of apt-get can be your friend...). Colin McGregor "Jim Ruxton" on Monday, December 13, 2004 11:58 PM wrote: > I'd love to see this but will be out of town. It brings up something I've > been thinking of however. I'm getting my Mom a computer finally and was > wondering what to put on it. I don't want her to have to deal with viruses, > Windose etc. so was thinking of just loading the machine with a Knoppix CD. > Does this make sense versus putting a full Linux install on the harddrive? I > assume there is a way she could save her email and weblinks to a hard drive. > This way whenever I see her I could just bring the latest Knoppix CD. > Any advice? > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Sullivan" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:19 PM > Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm > > > > Date: Dec 14, 2004 > > Time: 7:30pm > > Speaker: Colin McGregor > > Topic: The Temporary Internet Lounge > > > > Details: > > Colin McGregor will talk about the issues associated with setting > > up a temporary Internet lounge using Knoppix Linux. A central part > > of this talk will be customising Knoppix to fit the needs of such > > a lounge. This talk will be illustrated with examples drawn from > > Colin McGregor's experiences successfully setting up such a lounge > > of 28 machines at the 2003 World Science Fiction Convention. The > > basis of this talk will be an article he wrote for Linux Journal > > (which is due to appear in the February 2005 issue (and which > > should be on newstands starting the first week of January)). > > > > Colin McGregor is a system administrator with over 5 years experience > > in a number of commercial and not-for-profit ISPs. > > > > > > For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ > > > > Location: Galbraith Building, U of T > > Room: GB244 > > > > Please note, we are back in our old room. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. http://tlug.ss.org > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 13:06:51 2004 From: dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (David Mayerlen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:06:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> Message-ID: Buy her a Mac. Only half joking. One must recognize that OSX is not Linux but shares the same wonderful base of software from the "free software world". Apple's next big move should be to distribute a Linux ... but I guess they are really an MP3 player company now. Knoppix is great but doesn't always work ... at least I can't get it to work on the two machines I have tried it on. One is a lovely IBM Thinkpad and I just haven't had a spare couple of days to debug it. Can't wait until I do get it working however. I'm very jealous of my friends that have it working... What I'm really saying is test out the Knoppix on the computer. Try living with it yourself for a bit. ========================================================= | David Mayerlen | Upstart Associates | http://www.upstartx.com | dmz-yBkl/NpmZwtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org | 416-424-6739 ========================================================= On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Jim Ruxton wrote: > I'd love to see this but will be out of town. It brings up something I've > been thinking of however. I'm getting my Mom a computer finally and was > wondering what to put on it. I don't want her to have to deal with viruses, > Windose etc. so was thinking of just loading the machine with a Knoppix CD. > Does this make sense versus putting a full Linux install on the harddrive? I > assume there is a way she could save her email and weblinks to a hard drive. > This way whenever I see her I could just bring the latest Knoppix CD. > Any advice? > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Sullivan" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:19 PM > Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm > > > > Date: Dec 14, 2004 > > Time: 7:30pm > > Speaker: Colin McGregor > > Topic: The Temporary Internet Lounge > > > > Details: > > Colin McGregor will talk about the issues associated with setting > > up a temporary Internet lounge using Knoppix Linux. A central part > > of this talk will be customising Knoppix to fit the needs of such > > a lounge. This talk will be illustrated with examples drawn from > > Colin McGregor's experiences successfully setting up such a lounge > > of 28 machines at the 2003 World Science Fiction Convention. The > > basis of this talk will be an article he wrote for Linux Journal > > (which is due to appear in the February 2005 issue (and which > > should be on newstands starting the first week of January)). > > > > Colin McGregor is a system administrator with over 5 years experience > > in a number of commercial and not-for-profit ISPs. > > > > > > For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ > > > > Location: Galbraith Building, U of T > > Room: GB244 > > > > Please note, we are back in our old room. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. http://tlug.ss.org > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 13:54:39 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:54:39 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <41BB7A1C.1030700-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> Message-ID: <41BEF09F.2060808@knet.ca> It is subjective. What category would you place the Raptor SATA drives in? Enterprise or Near-Enterprise? OT: Is there raptor fossils around Southern Ontario or GTA? If not, why did they call them the Toronto Raptors? Andrew Hammond wrote: > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > >>>> So, if you have a 4 GB drive and some spanky new drive, then one idea >>>> you might consider is putting swap, /tmp, on the 4 GB, and have the >>>> more >>>> bulky occasional stuff on the other disk. It all depends on what >>>> you're >>>> trying to do with this system. >>>> >>> >>> And how slow would that make /tmp and swap? 4GB drives are terribly >>> slow by todays drive speeds. >>> >> >> >> Indeed. It's likely that your newer disk will be faster than the older >> ones. >> >> Unless it's a 140GB drive (right, Drew? ;-)).. >> > > 4GB commodity disk? That's gotta be about 6 years old, right? > Guaranteed any new disk (except laptop gear, which I know almost > nothing about) will seek faster. It's almost guaranteed to die in the > next year or two anyway. Personally, I'd throw the 4GB in the trash. > Or crack it open and make some ninja frisbees. > > If you're dead set on keeping it, you could use it for a log > partition, or something that gets mostly sequential writes without > seeing too much performance degradation. You really want to learn > about SMART before you move any data onto that disk though. > > If you haven't picked your new drive, I'd suggest a WD Raptor > (assuming that you've got good power and cooling in your chassis, > obviously). Last I checked (about 7 months ago), they had the best > seek times. Which is not a big surprise since they based on mid-range > SCSI disks with a SATA interface. They're also 10kRPM disks, so > sequential reads and writes can really get some value out of that SATA > interface. They aren't particularly cheap however. > > Drew > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 13:49:32 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:49:32 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? In-Reply-To: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> References: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> Message-ID: <41BEEF6C.3020005@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > What are the best Open Source packages out there? I've only been able to find one -- GRASS -- and it has an inordinately steep learning curve. I really out to learn more about GIS, as it's basically what I do, except I'm using an ad-hoc mess of tools which don't integrate very well. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 14:28:40 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:28:40 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <41BE4B00.9020709-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > This has to be the oddest bug I ever came across... it's fixed, and I'll > write what happened in case it helps someone later: > > After sending this message I tried to look at the source of the page > being displayed (web-interface). The very, very odd thing was that the > source was for an entirely different page from what was being displayed. > The source was the source you would see when you first start the program > before you have logged in even though what was being displayed was a > page from within the program (where it displays partition information). > The actual, current partition information was being rendered and > displayed by the browser but the source was different anyway. This was > try after clearing the cache and even in a separate browser that I had > never run the program in. > > I also tried closing and re-opening the file handle after returning to > the main script but that didn't help as well. So, not knowing what else > to try, I started temporarily deleting chunks of code until the problem > went away. Doing this I narrowed the problem down to, of all things, a > simple variable that I wasn't using any more. The oddest part is that > the string variable ($tspace) is not used or called anywhere anymore. It > -should- have simply been empty or null. > > Once I changed it to use the proper string variable name > ($image_name{'tspace'}) the problem went away, the right source was > shown in the browser and the logs started working again. > > Can anyone explain how this could happen? Are you using mod_perl in apache? Or are you running perl cgi instead? mod_perl like other perl accelerators do NOT reinitialize variables to NULL/0 each time a script is run and don't reparse the script each time, to save cpu time and hence speed things up. This can make sloppy programs misbehave (and most perl programs are sloppy). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 14:32:23 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:32:23 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20041214143223.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:06:51AM -0500, David Mayerlen wrote: > Buy her a Mac. Only half joking. One must recognize that OSX is not Linux > but shares the same wonderful base of software from the "free software > world". Apple's next big move should be to distribute a Linux ... but I > guess they are really an MP3 player company now. Apple already did linux for the old 68k Macs. And of course in usual apple way of handling unix of any kind, they threw it on top of mach. As far as I know, Apple Unix runs on mach, mklinux runs on mac, Mac OS X runs on mach, nextstep runs on mach (I believe). They apparently only understand running an OS on top of a microkernel. > Knoppix is great but doesn't always work ... at least I can't get it to > work on the two machines I have tried it on. One is a lovely IBM Thinkpad > and I just haven't had a spare couple of days to debug it. Can't wait > until I do get it working however. I'm very jealous of my friends that > have it working... In the past I have found that any kind of framebuffer console driver fails on many thinkpads and just gives a blank screen. Not all thinkpads, but many. > What I'm really saying is test out the Knoppix on the computer. Try > living with it yourself for a bit. Easier to remotely upgrade a real Debian install than knoppix at least. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 14:34:17 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:34:17 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041214143417.GR8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 11:24:37PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > My chorus is going into the recording studio next week (Metalworks in > Mississauga) and we've decided we're really interested in getting an > external HD with firewire connection -- that will save us $$$ from > having the studio burn our session onto CDs. I've checked my favourite > place Sonnam (sonnam.com) and they have an 80G and a 160G unit listed, > but both are out of stock. Future Shop has a Maxtor 250G for $400 that > looks like it would do. I've also seen a Data Silo product from > storcase.com, the DS231, but no price on that, and our date is next > Tuesday, so I have to act fast. > > Anyone else bought one of these units recently? I'd love to get some > guidance on good/bad units, things to watch out for, places (within > the GTA if possible) that you'd recommend. Thanks! www.logiccomputerhouse.com you can get a usb2/firewire enclosure and add your favourite HD to it yourself. Generally cheaper too. And you don't void the warrenty by opening it since you get the warrenty on each part seperately. Comes in 5-1/4, 3-1/2 and 2-1/2 inch versions (for cd/dvd, regular hd and laptop hd respectively.) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 14:33:21 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:33:21 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <20041214142840.GP8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Are you using mod_perl in apache? Or are you running perl cgi instead? > > mod_perl like other perl accelerators do NOT reinitialize variables to > NULL/0 each time a script is run and don't reparse the script each time, > to save cpu time and hence speed things up. This can make sloppy > programs misbehave (and most perl programs are sloppy). > > Lennart Sorensen Ah, I think I am using mod_perl (almost certaily am) so that might explain it. The odd thing is though that in this case '$tspace' has never been given a value (or at least not in months). Would this still explain why an open file handle fails and the source of what is displayed is for something else? Thanks for the insight! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 14:40:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:40:10 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <41BEF9B1.5070003-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041214144010.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:33:21AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Ah, I think I am using mod_perl (almost certaily am) so that might > explain it. The odd thing is though that in this case '$tspace' has > never been given a value (or at least not in months). Would this still > explain why an open file handle fails and the source of what is > displayed is for something else? Thanks for the insight! Quite possible yes. After all mod_perl doesn't even try to initialize memory, so if you don't initialize ALL variables yourself at the start of the script, or at least write a value to them before you try to read from them, you are asking for trouble. Who knows what was in that memory before you got it. Often you might get memory that is zeroed, but not always. So sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. The mod_perl docs do give some hints on the kind of things that won't work right under mod_perl. Sloppy coding where you assume default values are a certain way and use a variable before writing a value to it is bound to fail and is in general just a bad idea. Heck even gcc warns you when it thinks you might use a value that isn't yet initialized to a value. perl doesn't do that as far as I know (unless that is one of the things -w tells you about). Good coding practices should always be followed even when the language usually allows you to get away with it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 15:04:48 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:04:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <41BEF09F.2060808-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41BEF09F.2060808@knet.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Teddy Mills wrote: > OT: Is there raptor fossils around Southern Ontario or GTA? If not, why > did they call them the Toronto Raptors? Because it was trendy, of course. Never mind the fact that the real Velociraptor was about the size of a chicken...! (Crichton got it wrong in his novel -- probably because his reference was one particular dinosaur book that confused two dinosaurs of similar appearance but rather different sizes -- and the movies copied his mistake.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 15:28:01 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:28:01 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <41BEF09F.2060808-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> <41BEF09F.2060808@knet.ca> Message-ID: <1715410330.20041214102801@rogers.com> Tuesday, December 14, 2004, 8:54:39 AM, you wrote: TM> OT: Is there raptor fossils around Southern Ontario or GTA? If not, why TM> did they call them the Toronto Raptors? Because 'Toronto Coelacanths' didn't have that cash-register zing to it ;) M -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com ?Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education? Free medical care? Free whatever? It comes from Moscow. From Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell.? - Texas state Rep. Debbie Riddle -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 15:29:05 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:29:05 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <20041214144010.GS8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> <20041214144010.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41BF06C1.6020407@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > perl doesn't do that as far as I know (unless that is one of the > things -w tells you about). There is no valid excuse for not having: use strict; use warnings; in your Perl programs. Ever. Stewart (well, perhaps in throwaway one-liners, but I've seen them integrated into production systems ...) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 18:13:55 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:13:55 -0500 Subject: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl In-Reply-To: <20041214144010.GS8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> <20041214144010.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041214181355.GB3000@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:40:10AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:33:21AM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > Ah, I think I am using mod_perl (almost certaily am) so that might > > explain it. The odd thing is though that in this case '$tspace' has > > never been given a value (or at least not in months). Would this still > > explain why an open file handle fails and the source of what is > > displayed is for something else? Thanks for the insight! > > Quite possible yes. After all mod_perl doesn't even try to initialize > memory, so if you don't initialize ALL variables yourself at the start > of the script, or at least write a value to them before you try to read > from them, you are asking for trouble. Who knows what was in that > memory before you got it. Often you might get memory that is zeroed, > but not always. So sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Perl does initialize all variables when they are first created. So, you won't have random content from when the variable storage is obtained. But, you still could have the contents for 5 months ago if the mod_perl has been running that long and this variable hasn't been changed in that time and it is not reallocated on use (i.e. a global variable or a private variable in the top level main package that neve exits after completing an invokation). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 16:25:50 2004 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:25:50 -0500 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> OK...I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I'm trying to do an online course that requires Shockwave. Does anyone have a solution that will work in Linux for this minor problem? Or do I have to boot up my Windoze Box which I have been able to successfully avoid for the last 4 months now (personal record here) Thanks, Brian -- O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. -- Psalms 117:1 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 16:33:29 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:33:29 -0400 Subject: Co-op type jobs? Message-ID: Hi everyone, Sorry that this is very off-topic, but I'm looking to help some friends who are in co-op with me at college. Unfortunately the IT-related placement offerings in my college have been severely lacking, and most have been offered to several colleges and universities simultaneously. I was lucky to get a job at A Big Car Company (they were very impressed with my knowledge of GNU/Linux), but most organizations would rather take a B- university student over an A college student. They also lack the connections to tap into the hidden job market. What I'm looking for are leads to jobs/volunteer positions that involve IT in some way. They know how to use (but not administrate) GNU/Linux. They know how to hand-code HTML and CSS, and how to use Dreamweaver and (ugh) Frontpage. Of course they are well-versed in Microsoft Office. They know their way around SQL in Oracle and have some experience with Microsoft Access as well. They also know C/C++/C#. Maybe you know a church that's looking to have a website built. As I said, volunteer positions are just as eagerly sought. Maybe it's a company that needs someone in shipping 9/10ths of the time but would also like someone who can fix desktops when it's needed. We're running out of time, and my friends would appreciate anything. Many thanks, Michael Newman -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 11:41:26 2004 From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:41:26 +0000 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: <200412141125.51028.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <200412141141.26763.jason@detachednetworks.ca> On December 14, 2004 04:25 pm, Brian K. Garel wrote: > OK...I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I'm trying to do an online > course that requires Shockwave. Does anyone have a solution that will work > in Linux for this minor problem? Or do I have to boot up my Windoze Box > which I have been able to successfully avoid for the last 4 months now > (personal record here) > > Thanks, > > Brian Codeweavers Crossover Office works. http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=98 It is the only way that I know of. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 16:43:17 2004 From: BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Brian K. Garel) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:43:17 -0500 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: <200412141141.26763.jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> <200412141141.26763.jason@detachednetworks.ca> Message-ID: <200412141143.17922.BGarel@clublink.ca> On Tuesday 14 December 2004 06:41 am, Jason Shein wrote: > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=98 Ouch....hefty price tag :( -- And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses. -- Leviticus 16:34 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 16:52:47 2004 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:52:47 -0500 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: <200412141125.51028.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <1103043167.27376.13.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> You can use Crossover (US$40.00) which allows you to use the Windows shockwave plugin in Linux or use wine and Windows firefox (or mozilla). I've used wine and Windows Firefox with shockwave plugin and it works. J. Schaap On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 11:25 -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > OK...I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I'm trying to do an online > course that requires Shockwave. Does anyone have a solution that will work > in Linux for this minor problem? Or do I have to boot up my Windoze Box > which I have been able to successfully avoid for the last 4 months now > (personal record here) > > Thanks, > > Brian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:00:47 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:00:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BE731C.3070900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: > >> It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works > At any rate, find out and let me know. Mind me asking what kind of > music you guys are recording? Good luck! Heavy Metal? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:12:57 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:12:57 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BF1C3F.1020503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:00:47 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > Alex Beamish wrote: > > > >> It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works > > > At any rate, find out and let me know. Mind me asking what kind of > > music you guys are recording? Good luck! > > Heavy Metal? ;-) Metalworks is known for recording heavy metal, but they've also recorded artists like Celine Dion. It's the only studio I've been where they have gold records, gold CDs and (wait for it) .. gold cassettes mounted on the walls. I kid you not. The control room is very nice -- you can imagine if you've got Corey Hart lounging around you'd like a nice sofa and some refreshments to hand. And the board itself is quite something -- a very nice piece of equipment. It's a pretty nice interior compared to a realtively bland exterior. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:15:42 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:15:42 -0500 Subject: Strategies after buying new hard drive In-Reply-To: <41BEF09F.2060808-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041209031930.GA9385@localhost.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1102573706.23585.16.camel@sirius.syd.operationaldynamics.com> <20041209151416.GF8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041210031719.40E4A4501@cbbrowne.com> <41BB7A1C.1030700@ca.afilias.info> <41BEF09F.2060808@knet.ca> Message-ID: <41BF1FBE.4070101@rogers.com> Teddy Mills wrote: > OT: Is there raptor fossils around Southern Ontario or GTA? If not, why > did they call them the Toronto Raptors? They held a contest, where people would submit names. Around that time, a very popular movie, with raptors in it, was playing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:29:51 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:29:51 -0500 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: <200412141143.17922.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> <200412141141.26763.jason@detachednetworks.ca> <200412141143.17922.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <20041214122951.697816f9.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:43:17 -0500 Brian K. Garel disseminated the following: > > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=98 > > Ouch....hefty price tag :( ...in more ways than one. Supporting something like Crossover also takes away *any* motivation for the Shockwave developers to make it either cross-platform (good) or open (very good). -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 12:26:21 up 23 days, 3:37, 8 users, load average: 0.24, 0.11, 0.04 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune." -- Noam Chomsky -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:55:33 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:55:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: How to fix an imcomplete Slackware 10. upgrade. In-Reply-To: <20041214181355.GB3000-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214181355.GB3000@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20041214175533.40017.qmail@web50910.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I made a mistake to remove some ols packages and forgot to install the corresponding new packages before I reboot. My system booted but failed to run rc.0 and rc.M. (probally inittab is wrong.) Now it is a read-only file system. I cannot do anything on it. I am thinking if I do: mount -o remount rw / then install the new packages? My computer cannot boot from floppy and from CDROM. It has Slackware 7.1 now it is running 10.0 kernel 2.4.26. Any other ideas? Thanks! Frank Peng. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 17:56:47 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:56:47 -0500 Subject: [kburtch-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org: [Pegasoft] Annual Charity Christmas Party] Message-ID: <20041214175647.GA979@node1.opengeometry.net> ----- Forwarded message from Ken Burtch ----- Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:35:42 -0500 From: Ken Burtch Subject: [Pegasoft] Annual Charity Christmas Party To: pegasoft-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Cc: It's that time of year again! Instead of our monthly dinner discussion format we will be having our annual Charity Christmas Party! This is an open dinner for Linux networking and Linux discussion. We will also be taking memberships for the 2005 year and discussing Linux web development contracts coming up in early 2005. As part of PegaSoft's commitment to support the community, each year we raise money for the CHUM-CITY Christmas Wish. If you come to the dinner, bring a small monetary donation to buy toys for needy kids. The party will be held at the Bedford Road Swiss Chalet (near the St. George subway stop in Toronto) on Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:00-10:00 pm. Attendance is free (you have to buy your own food.) Check with the PegaSoft events page for complete directions (http://www.pegasoft.ca/events.html). Space is limited. Please reserve your seat on or before Wednesday, December 15. PegaSoft Canada is an association of Linux consultants based in Toronto, Canada. We provide a variety of services including custom Linux development and web design. We also design and promote commerical and open source Linux software. See you there! Ken Burtch -- Ken O. Burtch / Senior Programmer/Analyst / DMS Techologies Inc. Author of "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" As the fading light of a dying day filtered through the window blinds, Roger stood over his victim with a smoking .45, surprised at the serenity that filled him after pumping six slugs into the bloodless tyrant that mocked him day after day, and then he shuffled out of the office with one last look back at the shattered computer terminal lying there like a silicon armadillo left to rot on the information superhighway. --Larry Brill, Austin, Texas (Bulwer-Lytton 1994 Winner) _______________________________________________ Pegasoft mailing list Pegasoft-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org http://cbbrowne.com/mailman/listinfo/pegasoft_cbbrowne.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 18:29:43 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:29:43 -0500 Subject: Shockwave Player In-Reply-To: <200412141125.51028.BGarel-Dc855NvzOYgsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <877jockadn.fsf@cpe00024481c080-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <41A370ED.7040203@rogers.com> <200412141125.51028.BGarel@clublink.ca> Message-ID: <20041214182943.GT8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:25:50AM -0500, Brian K. Garel wrote: > OK...I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I'm trying to do an online > course that requires Shockwave. Does anyone have a solution that will work > in Linux for this minor problem? Or do I have to boot up my Windoze Box > which I have been able to successfully avoid for the last 4 months now > (personal record here) Someone uses shockware not just flash? Other than running inside wine, there appears to be no choice. So that means reaktivate for kde to run the activex plugin in konqueror, or you can get codewaver's crossover to run it inside most of the browsers on linux. Reaktivate is free, but probably much harder to get going. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 19:12:52 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:12:52 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? In-Reply-To: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> References: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> Message-ID: <41BF3B34.8090504@sympatico.ca> Walter Dnes wrote: > What are the best Open Source packages out there? Let's say I want to >import comma-delimited point data, and plot it on a map of Canada (or >the world for that matter). I'd like to be able to have the points >colour-coded by value ranges. > > > terravision http://www.tvgeo.com/ mature, massive, and capable of visually representing abstract datasets. keyhole http://www.keyhole.com/index.php new and sassy ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 19:16:41 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:16:41 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41BF3C19.6070902@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Metalworks is known for recording heavy metal, but they've also > recorded artists like Celine Dion. Jeezzz.... One's as bad as the other. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 19:20:47 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:20:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BF3C19.6070902-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> <41BF3C19.6070902@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41BF3D0F.7080606@alteeve.com> James Knott wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: > >> Metalworks is known for recording heavy metal, but they've also >> recorded artists like Celine Dion. > > > Jeezzz.... One's as bad as the other. ;-) Nonono!! Heavy metal only ruins your ears. Celine Dion ruins your very soul! Madison PS - Yes, I am kidding. :p -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 19:35:43 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:35:43 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BF3D0F.7080606-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> <41BF3C19.6070902@rogers.com> <41BF3D0F.7080606@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BF408F.2040303@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> Alex Beamish wrote: >> >>> Metalworks is known for recording heavy metal, but they've also >>> recorded artists like Celine Dion. >> >> >> >> Jeezzz.... One's as bad as the other. ;-) > > > Nonono!! > > Heavy metal only ruins your ears. Celine Dion ruins your very soul! A couple of years ago, she did a duet, with Andre Bocelli. You'd hear a great voice, then a grating voice. I've often mentioned, that she sings like a cat in heat. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 21:59:08 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:59:08 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BF408F.2040303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <41BF1C3F.1020503@rogers.com> <41BF3C19.6070902@rogers.com> <41BF3D0F.7080606@alteeve.com> <41BF408F.2040303@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:35:43 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > > James Knott wrote: > > > >> Alex Beamish wrote: > >> > >>> Metalworks is known for recording heavy metal, but they've also > >>> recorded artists like Celine Dion. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jeezzz.... One's as bad as the other. ;-) > > > > > > Nonono!! > > > > Heavy metal only ruins your ears. Celine Dion ruins your very soul! > > > A couple of years ago, she did a duet, with Andre Bocelli. You'd hear a > great voice, then a grating voice. I've often mentioned, that she sings > like a cat in heat. ;-) Interesting you mention that .. we're recording the same song (The Prayer) at our session scheduled for April. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 14 23:21:12 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:21:12 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice Message-ID: <41BF7568.9020006@alteeve.com> Hi all, I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. I have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am getting myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what would a fair fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would you calculate a fair fee? Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 01:27:41 2004 From: Nezumikozo-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Nezumikozo) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:27:41 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice In-Reply-To: <41BF7568.9020006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BF7568.9020006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BF930D.3040107@sympatico.ca> Not that I get to do it for Linux very often, but I charge $20 per hour for home and small business consulting and tech support. I don't see why the Linux knowledge you have amassed would be worth any less than that. Jay H. Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. I > have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am getting > myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what would a fair > fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would you calculate > a fair fee? > > Thanks! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 01:54:46 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:54:46 -0500 Subject: Cleaning up a perl program (using strict); resources? (was: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl) In-Reply-To: <41BF06C1.6020407-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> <20041214144010.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BF06C1.6020407@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <41BF9966.2030904@alteeve.com> Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> >> perl doesn't do that as far as I know (unless that is one of the >> things -w tells you about). > > > There is no valid excuse for not having: > > use strict; > use warnings; > > in your Perl programs. Ever. > > Stewart > > (well, perhaps in throwaway one-liners, but I've seen them integrated > into production systems ...) Hi, Well, I have heard so many people echo the same thing but until now I was more concerned with "making it work". Now it works though and I am pretty heavily re-writting the code. I decided that since I just finished the re-write of the second major section of the program and have a few sections (separate files) still to do now would be a good time to enable 'use strict;' and 'use warnings;'. Doing this has thrown a LOT of errors and warnings which I now need to work through. Can you recommend resources I could read that would help me decypher these errors and warnings? For example, I am getting stuff like: Global symbol "$say_type" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/tle-bu/cgi-bin/part-conf.cgi line 1002. and Bareword "true" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at /usr/share/tle-bu/cgi-bin/part-conf.cgi line 134. Thanks again! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 02:34:33 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:34:33 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice In-Reply-To: <41BF7568.9020006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BF7568.9020006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41BFA2B9.8080903@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. I > have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am getting > myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what would a fair > fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would you calculate a > fair fee? What's your time worth? Is there some reason why you might want to charge less (low income student etc)? Does your student have a realistic rate in mind? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 03:19:17 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:19:17 -0500 Subject: Cleaning up a perl program (using strict); resources? (was: Solved (very odd!?) was: Losing a file handle in perl) In-Reply-To: <41BF9966.2030904-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE35AD.3090102@alteeve.com> <41BE4B00.9020709@alteeve.com> <20041214142840.GP8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BEF9B1.5070003@alteeve.com> <20041214144010.GS8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41BF06C1.6020407@sympatico.ca> <41BF9966.2030904@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:54:46 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > >> > >> perl doesn't do that as far as I know (unless that is one of the > >> things -w tells you about). > > > > > > There is no valid excuse for not having: > > > > use strict; > > use warnings; > > > > in your Perl programs. Ever. > > > > Stewart > > > > (well, perhaps in throwaway one-liners, but I've seen them integrated > > into production systems ...) > > Hi, > > Well, I have heard so many people echo the same thing but until now I > was more concerned with "making it work". Now it works though and I am > pretty heavily re-writting the code. I decided that since I just > finished the re-write of the second major section of the program and > have a few sections (separate files) still to do now would be a good > time to enable 'use strict;' and 'use warnings;'. You've been badgered already about using strict .. but if you're writing a piece of Perl code from scratch, at the very least you want #!/usr/bin/perl -w at the top to turn on warnings -- always. That first line has replaced something I usde to type a lot, #include back when I was a full-time C guy. I don't always use strict, but it is a good idea -- it forces you to declare your variables, and makes you be more explicit about what your program does. Remember Murphy's Law -- if it's gonna go wrong, it's probably gonna go wrong in the direction you didn't want it to go. > Doing this has thrown a LOT of errors and warnings which I now need > to work through. Can you recommend resources I could read that would > help me decypher these errors and warnings? For example, I am getting > stuff like: > > Global symbol "$say_type" requires explicit package name at > /usr/share/tle-bu/cgi-bin/part-conf.cgi line 1002. P. 943, the Camel. You've used a symbol without indicating whether it's a local variable (declared with my), a module variable (declared with our) or a variabled from another module (declared with our in the module, and then exported). > and > > Bareword "true" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at > /usr/share/tle-bu/cgi-bin/part-conf.cgi line 134. P. 925, the Camel. It's hard to know exactly what the context is, but if this is a test for 'truth', then if($condition) { # Do something } else { # or do something else .. } should work .. if you are instead using if ($condition == true) { ... it might be complaining about that. I can also recommend Perl Monks as a handy resource for Perl on the web. It's an odd community (A W.C. Fields quote comes to mind) but has many useful articles -- if you have a specific question that isn't covered by any of the *many* articles on the site, ask away and you'll have an answer before you know it. Cheers, Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 04:11:08 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:11:08 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice In-Reply-To: <41BF7568.9020006-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BF7568.9020006@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041215041108.GC4222@smeagol> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:21:12PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. I > have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am getting > myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what would a fair > fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would you calculate a > fair fee? I would say $50/hour. It might seem expensive per hour at first, but there are a few things to consider: - will you pay yourself to travel to and from the site? - are you going to prepare any kind of curriculum ahead of time? - how will you deal with follow-up questions? Teaching is an expensive on one's time...if it's a friend that's looking for help, I'd suggest recommending a few newbie-friendly mailing lists. Or maybe do a barter something else? If the person already has a general idea of what they're doing, ask them to buy you a coffee in exchange for access to your brain. And if it's not someone who's a friend, do the teaching industry a favour and charge a fair rate. ;) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin Mobile : 416 417 2868 Web : www.xtrinsic.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 04:26:47 2004 From: andrew-2KHxOkysSnqmy7d5DmSz6TlRY1/6cnIP at public.gmane.org (Andrew Cowie) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:26:47 +1100 Subject: Co-op type jobs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1103084807.27193.57.camel@procyon.operationaldynamics.com> On Tue, 2004-14-12 at 12:33 -0400, Mike Newman wrote: > What I'm looking for are leads to jobs/volunteer positions that > involve IT in some way. Do your colleagues need some sort of formal business relationship in order for the work term to count? The reason I mention this is I was recently approached by the co-op office one of the Universities here looking to find placements for their work-term students. They were quite explicit that the students were not expecting to be paid, but they did need quality projects to work on, and wanted to associate with companies who were willing to co-operate with the small bit of administrative paperwork that the students needed to earn their work term credits. [unlike UW, the work terms here are considered a [non academic] part of the degree, performance evaluations and work term reports count in a qualitative way] Mostly, though, they're looking to find good "industry" experiences for their students. Now we're just a small boutique consultancy, but I've got a list of projects about as long as my arm, and they're all "real world" problems that have little to do with whether we're a large or small firm. So we've agreed to formalize some of those projects into digestible chunks, and are letting them loose on students. We get their attention for varying amounts of time, but 12 weeks seems to be typical. ++ Interestingly, the way I decided to make it worth the students' while (and to engage their interest) is to give them something they can take away with them - an understanding of and association to Open Source that can last beyond their involvement with me. It strikes me as a reason not typically cited these days, but it does go back to the original precepts behind Free Software - the ability to continue to contribute to, and benefit from, work one does after one's formal involvement with a project has completed. For techies its easy - we have a whole bunch of projects and Open Source our work whenever possible, so finding things for them to do doesn't take long. If they've [budding] programming skills or sys admin skills, and at least some exposure to Linux/Unix, then I can at least try to find a way to get them involved. One of the first examples is: "The CVS+Mailing List+Bugzilla combination is common in Open Source projects. Each piece of that has weaknesses, tho: CVS isn't very suited to distributed disconnected development. Mailing lists are ok, but not good at getting discussion to a conclusion and even with a mailing list archive, can be difficult to reference. To use Bugzilla you need to be online, which doesn't help people who are on airplanes over the Pacific Ocean - or sitting in a cafe by the beach with no connectivity. So: research each of these. Figure out what the commonly cited problems are. Take half a step backwards, and see what neat ideas you can come up with to try and overcome these problems but solving it holistically for the project's needs as a whole. Wild ass-off-the-cuff-ideas to get you started thinking in unusual directions: (1) what would happen if bugs were recorded and operated on *in* the revision control system? (2) Is Maven a good idea or not?" My interest: we have a bunch of projects we want to Open & build communities around; I know the challenges involved, but don't have time to maintain complex infrastructure. So, what combination makes the most sense to invest time & effort in? Interest for intern: regrettably, many students think that programming and developing on a single machine is all you need to worry about. But any real world project involves multiple people. Big companies start to scale to multiple development sites and have a horrid time with it. On the other hand, Open Source projects have to deal with distributed global development from the get-go, but boostrapping this can be a pain, takes time to get going, and failure to develop a critical mass of community around a project usually implies that project's failure (or at least irrelevance). The university, however, also has business/marketing types who need experience, so what we've thrown together are projects that involve the promotional and marketing side of things. So one idea I came up with was: "look up the following {two} instances of {projects} that companies agreed to Open Source. Figure out what they went through to get it approved, and why company agreed. Write it up - but first, find {one of several such HOWTOs on the net} and see if you can't contribute to that... [after all, the ability to Open Source isn't just limited to techies]." My interest: I often get asked to advise on this, so can use help drawing together a base of research material to draw from; project result back to university easily demonstrable. Benefit to business student: better understanding of technology in general and Open Source in particular ... and some clue of how they might leverage same ideas in their own work in future." I've also got more pure business marketing related things on the go, but even then, the challenges are interesting - how do you promote ideas out into the public mind in a cost effective way? ++ My role with the interns is setting them off in the right direction (obviously, the projects involve things that I need/stand to benefit from/whatever), helping keep them focused, mentoring them a bit, exposing them to new ideas (the sort one tends not to get in class), and completing whatever paperwork needs to be done to assure the university they "showed up" (although the work term office understands that mostly, the students get to work from home or whatever. We meet in person once or twice a week. Good excuse for student to take a trip to a cafe by the beach). My expense is mostly time. A precious commodity to be sure, but spent figuring out meaningful projects, managing intern, and minor office overhead costs are minor and I get to benefit from fresh minds and new ideas [not to mention cheap labour :)] Early days yet, but it seems promising. En verra. ++ Personal note: I replied to this email largely because I am a huge proponent of the value of mentorship, and hope that something up above might spark an idea in someone else here which in turn might help Mike's friends. I haven't mentioned this here before, but I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the contribution by both inspiration and guidance of two fellows whose names you might recognize. 17 years ago, Henry Spencer (then ...!utzoo!henry), and Drew Sullivan (then ...!lethe!drew) introduced a young teenager to the mystique of Unix and the global community (Usenet as it then was). You gents got me on my way. One doesn't forget such things. Cheers, AfC Sydney P.S. I hope you're all enjoying a white Christmas. [And people keep asking me why I'm an ex-pat. Ha. White sandy Christmas] -- Andrew Frederick Cowie OPERATIONAL DYNAMICS Operations Consultants and Infrastructure Engineers, worldwide. http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ Sydney: +61 2 9977 6866 New York: +1 646 472 5054 Toronto: +1 416 848 6072 London: +44 207 1019201 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 06:38:56 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:38:56 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? Message-ID: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Hi all (again, I know) Quick update first; a while back I was asking for advice on how to spead up database performance and several people suggested avoiding calling and reading 'ls' and instead use 'readdir'. I avoided it at the time because I needed all of the file's information. Well, with 'stat' and '$size = -s $file' I can get it now. With that and other improvements my performance has increased by more than five-fold. But I want more. :) What I doing currently is opening a file, starting the file with 'psql' copy command, then for each file being processed write a line of data and finally cap off the file with '\.', With this written (currently taking 11 seconds to process 22,000 files on my machine) I then call 'psql' to read in the contents. This works but the read alone takes another 31 seconds. I know this sounds somewhat trivial but I need it to be faster. My idea, and what I need help with, is this: Instead of writing the lines to a file I would rather write out each line into an array so that I avoid the disk access of writing the file out. Next I want to dump that contents of the array into 'psql' one line at a time but not commit the changes until the whole array is in (which is how I believe the 'copy' works from a text file). This way I would avoid a second disk IO hit by avoiding the need to have 'psql' read the file. My question is how can I get the same function as 'psql dbname -f data.txt' except telling 'psql' to get the values from the array instead? Thanks yet again! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 15:21:41 2004 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:21:41 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41C05685.E4F58FFD@rogers.com> Madison Kelly wrote: > ... This way I would > avoid a second disk IO hit by avoiding the need to have 'psql' read the > file. If you can process the files serially, or if you have enough memory, you could write your files to an in-memory tmp partition (I've forgotten the correct term for it), to avoid a disk write. I just looked at manpages for swapon, mount, fstab, but could not find what I'm thinking of, so I hope its not just a SunOS/Solaris thing. > My question is how can I get the same function as 'psql dbname -f > data.txt' except telling 'psql' to get the values from the array instead? My Perl is rusty, but wouldn't piping into the psql stdin work, i.e.: open(PSQL, "| psql $dbname") HTH. --yanni -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 15:40:34 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:40:34 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice In-Reply-To: <20041215041108.GC4222@smeagol> References: <41BF7568.9020006@alteeve.com> <20041215041108.GC4222@smeagol> Message-ID: <1103125234.5092.5.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 23:11 -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:21:12PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. I > > have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am getting > > myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what would a fair > > fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would you calculate a > > fair fee? > > I would say $50/hour. I agree. As a chemistry grad student, we charge $30-$40 per hour to tutor students out-of-school. A few people recently started charging $20 per hour, which is hardly worth our time, and has essentially "ruined the market" for the rest of us. A college professor teaching out-of-school would charge a minimum of $50 per hour I'm sure. I would. Hell, we make more than that IN school. Keep in mind that your ability to *teach* should be valued as high as (if not higher than) your *knowledge*. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 16:04:08 2004 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:04:08 -0500 Subject: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice Message-ID: Just to throw my hat in the ring, I charge $110 an hour for training. For some more esoteric training, for one - on - one, I've a business partner running a training facility that bills his staff out at $3000 a day + expenses. $50 would not be out of line at all for professional quality training, with a skilled trainer. My view is you get what you pay for. Someone having done a $20/hr training, probably got what it was worth, or maybe that's where their level was at. They probably could have done just as well picking up a $50 book and reading it for a couple of days. D. Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org http://www.desktopsolutioncenter.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Austin Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Fair charge for one-on-one Linux tutoring; advice Importance: High On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 23:11 -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 06:21:12PM -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > I have been asked to teach/tutor someone new to Linux one-on-one. > > I have taught at college before so I do have an idea what I am > > getting myself into but what I am at a bit of a loss for is what > > would a fair fee per hour be. Has anyone done this before? How would > > you calculate a fair fee? > > I would say $50/hour. I agree. As a chemistry grad student, we charge $30-$40 per hour to tutor students out-of-school. A few people recently started charging $20 per hour, which is hardly worth our time, and has essentially "ruined the market" for the rest of us. A college professor teaching out-of-school would charge a minimum of $50 per hour I'm sure. I would. Hell, we make more than that IN school. Keep in mind that your ability to *teach* should be valued as high as (if not higher than) your *knowledge*. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 16:04:47 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:04:47 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <1103007323.15891.3.camel@localhost> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> <1103007323.15891.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:55:23 -0500, Austin wrote: > Now if linux support is what you're looking for... foolproof, > cross-platform, hardware support, USB2 is the way to go... but if you > have a single machine to use that supports both, Firewire is almost > certainly preferable for audio/video applications. I'm not aware of any "gotchas" with firewire devices under Linux, though I must admit that I've never used any. USB and FireWire are like in that they have "class device" definitions for standard types of devices. USB has an "audio class", and ANY device conforming to this spec can use a common driver for basic functionality (as an ADC or DAC or both). This is why you can get USB memory keys that "just work" in Windows, OSX, Linux, and pretty much anything else that runs on hardware that has a USB port. USB, however, does not have any standard for video interchange. Firewire does. :) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 16:08:07 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: <41BE731C.3070900-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:59:08 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Theoretical bandwidth on USB2.0 is higher than standard firewire > (480Mbps vs 400Mbps). I doubt they expect you to have a Firewire2 drive > and also I am sure their system has USB2 if the machine is more or less > new. At any rate, find out and let me know. Mind me asking what kind of > music you guys are recording? Good luck! There are a number of machines which are perfectly good (and that you're likely to find at a recording studio) that do sport Firewire, and NO USB2.0: a dual G4 PowerMac for example. They may also be using a hardware solution that plugs directly into the HD to dump the audio data (thanks to the mass storage class, though it probably requires that the drive is formatted for FAT). Such a hardware audio solution wouldn't have much use for USB2.0 given the superiority of FW for A/V applications. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 16:39:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:39:10 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> <41BE731C.3070900@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041215163910.GU8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:08:07AM -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > There are a number of machines which are perfectly good (and that you're likely > to find at a recording studio) that do sport Firewire, and NO USB2.0: a > dual G4 PowerMac for example. > > They may also be using a hardware solution that plugs directly into > the HD to dump > the audio data (thanks to the mass storage class, though it probably > requires that > the drive is formatted for FAT). Such a hardware audio solution > wouldn't have much > use for USB2.0 given the superiority of FW for A/V applications. So a decent usb2.0/firewire enclosure gives you the best bet then. Support both and no matter what you will have access to the data. ie: http://www.logiccomputerhouse.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=940 which is currently listing for $60 for a 3.5" drive enclosure. Add your favourite standard HD and you are done. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 17:55:38 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:55:38 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: <41C05685.E4F58FFD-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> <41C05685.E4F58FFD@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41C07A9A.5000908@alteeve.com> Yanni Chiu wrote: > Madison Kelly wrote: > >>... This way I would >>avoid a second disk IO hit by avoiding the need to have 'psql' read the >>file. > > > If you can process the files serially, or if you have enough memory, > you could write your files to an in-memory tmp partition (I've forgotten > the correct term for it), to avoid a disk write. I just looked at > manpages for swapon, mount, fstab, but could not find what I'm thinking > of, so I hope its not just a SunOS/Solaris thing. > > >> My question is how can I get the same function as 'psql dbname -f >>data.txt' except telling 'psql' to get the values from the array instead? > > > My Perl is rusty, but wouldn't piping into the psql stdin work, i.e.: > > open(PSQL, "| psql $dbname") > > HTH. > --yanni That worked perfectly, I should have thought of that myself. :p Thank you very much! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 18:39:29 2004 From: mike-DlQxw/23Tq2aMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Mike Waychison) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:39:29 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: <41C07A9A.5000908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> <41C05685.E4F58FFD@rogers.com> <41C07A9A.5000908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41C084E1.90600@waychison.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Madison Kelly wrote: > Yanni Chiu wrote: > >> Madison Kelly wrote: >> >>> ... This way I would >>> avoid a second disk IO hit by avoiding the need to have 'psql' read the >>> file. >> >> >> >> If you can process the files serially, or if you have enough memory, >> you could write your files to an in-memory tmp partition (I've forgotten >> the correct term for it), to avoid a disk write. I just looked at >> manpages for swapon, mount, fstab, but could not find what I'm thinking >> of, so I hope its not just a SunOS/Solaris thing. >> >> >>> My question is how can I get the same function as 'psql dbname -f >>> data.txt' except telling 'psql' to get the values from the array >>> instead? Unless you are very low on memory, or are using nfs, the data shouldn't ever be hitting the disk / network. This is of course assuming that the file isn't opened O_SYNC and you don't (implicitly/explicitly) call sync(2) or fsync(2). >> >> >> >> My Perl is rusty, but wouldn't piping into the psql stdin work, i.e.: >> >> open(PSQL, "| psql $dbname") >> >> HTH. >> --yanni > > > That worked perfectly, I should have thought of that myself. :p > > Thank you very much! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBwITgdQs4kOxk3/MRAuXZAKCRBLrZVhnfZuOQw9FKtFCR2AqLsgCfcMr/ /NN2OmzBm93/gWpFYbMeZIc= =MdsJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 22:28:31 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:28:31 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: <41BFDC00.7000800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:38:56 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > (currently taking 11 seconds to process 22,000 files on my machine) I > then call 'psql' to read in the contents. This works but the read alone > takes another 31 seconds. I know this sounds somewhat trivial but I need > it to be faster. > out. Next I want to dump that contents of the array into 'psql' one line > at a time but not commit the changes until the whole array is in (which > is how I believe the 'copy' works from a text file). This way I would > avoid a second disk IO hit by avoiding the need to have 'psql' read the > file. http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/interactive/sql-copy.html You might make use of "COPY FROM STDIN" so that you can pipe the output of your program directly into psql, though this will add the overhead of transferring data between your process and the client process and then to the server process, as opposed to your process to disk to the server process. I can't say which might be faster. Also consider writing the file (or streamingn it) as BINARY instead of text. The web page above states that it's a bit faster. If you already have your data in variables, it might even decrease your write time to pack them into the psql binary format, and certainly speed up psql's read processing. I doubt it'll be earth-shattering, but probably good for a few percent. :) As someone else suggested, you can also write the file to /dev/shm to avoid having it hit disk, though if the file is larger than half the RAM of the machine in question, you'll run out of space (and probably cause some horrible swapping while your at it, and negate any performance gain you were hoping for). Piping the data directly to psql would likely perform much better on a dual CPU system, as data could be processed as it's generated. Even on a uniprocessor, if that one CPU isn't pegged for those first 11 seconds, you might see an overall increase in throughput by piping. -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 15 22:48:30 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:30 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: <41BFDC00.7000800-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:38:56 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all (again, I know) > > Quick update first; a while back I was asking for advice on how to > spead up database performance and several people suggested avoiding > calling and reading 'ls' and instead use 'readdir'. I avoided it at the > time because I needed all of the file's information. Well, with 'stat' > and '$size = -s $file' I can get it now. With that and other > improvements my performance has increased by more than five-fold. > > But I want more. :) > > What I doing currently is opening a file, starting the file with > 'psql' copy command, then for each file being processed write a line of > data and finally cap off the file with '\.', With this written > (currently taking 11 seconds to process 22,000 files on my machine) I > then call 'psql' to read in the contents. This works but the read alone > takes another 31 seconds. I know this sounds somewhat trivial but I need > it to be faster. We just discussed something similar on Perl Monks: http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=414600 My own contribution suggested using LOAD DATA INFILE or some variety of bcp, the Bulk Copy Program, if available for your installation. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 00:12:28 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:12:28 -0500 Subject: Open source GIS packages? In-Reply-To: <41BED60E.8080807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214043215.GA20020@m450> <41BED60E.8080807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041216001228.GA26895@m450> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:01:18AM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote > The only Open Source package I have some knowledge of is GRASS but > it's very large and can be overkill for simple thematic mapping. > Look here: > http://gislounge.com/ll/grass.shtml > http://grass.itc.it/ > > Here are some others that might fit the bill: > http://www.sourcepole.com/sources/software/gis-knoppix/ > http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/index.html > http://openmap.bbn.com/ Thanks. I had heard of GRASS, but it's nice to know about the alternatives too. -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 00:25:33 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (Raymundo Dumas) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:25:33 +0400 Subject: thyroidal Message-ID: <20041216002632.2C50B6D814@lethe.ss.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 03:41:14 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:41:14 -0500 Subject: Use of Knoppix... In-Reply-To: <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20041216034114.2CFF14305@cbbrowne.com> > I'd love to see this but will be out of town. It brings up something > I've been thinking of however. I'm getting my Mom a computer finally > and was wondering what to put on it. I don't want her to have to deal > with viruses, Windose etc. so was thinking of just loading the machine > with a Knoppix CD. Does this make sense versus putting a full Linux > install on the harddrive? I assume there is a way she could save her > email and weblinks to a hard drive. This way whenever I see her I > could just bring the latest Knoppix CD. Neat idea. It's definitely going to take some effort to configure the Knoppix CD to be aware of where the persistent HD material is supposed to be. What's rather unfortunate is that you'll need to maintain enough space on your own system to store the "master copy" of what gets burned into that Knoppix CD. A few GB of disk space only costs a few bucks, I suppose, but there would be a goodly "win" in being able to reuse that configuration for several CDs... -- "cbbrowne","@","gmail.com" http://linuxfinances.info/info/unix.html "Bureaucracies interpret communication as damage and route around it" -- Jamie Zawinski -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 03:58:39 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:58:39 -0500 Subject: Knoppix, Macs... In-Reply-To: References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> Message-ID: <20041216035839.2D4934305@cbbrowne.com> > Buy her a Mac. Only half joking. One must recognize that OSX is not > Linux but shares the same wonderful base of software from the "free > software world". Apple's next big move should be to distribute a Linux > ... but I guess they are really an MP3 player company now. Actually, it begs the question of what _real_ merit there would be in replacing the kernel with something else. After all, the VAST majority of the software in what people loosely consider to be "Linux systems" are in common with what runs on *BSD. - Typical compiler for Linux distributions: GCC - Typical compiler for *BSD distributions: GCC - Typical editors available for Linux distributions: vim, GNU Emacs, XEmacs, ad infinitum - Typical editors available for *BSD distributions: vim, GNU Emacs, XEmacs, ad infinitum - Graphical infrastructure on Linux distributions: XFree86 - Graphical infrastructure on *BSD distributions: XFree86 Repeat as needed thus: (loop for subject in '("web servers" "stats packages" "Window managers" "scripting langs" "desktop environments" "web browsers" "free databases" "shells") for app-name in '("Apache, Boa" "R octave scilab" "twm fvwm wmaker etc" "perl python ruby tcl" "GNOME KDE" "mozilla firefox galeon lynx w3m links" "PostgreSQL FireBird BerkeleyDB" "bash zsh tcsh rc") do (format t "Apps of type ~A for Linux: ~A~%" subject app-name) do (format t "Apps of type ~A for *BSD: ~A~%" subject app-name)) There's no 'universal' package manager "for Linux," therefore the use of Ports on *BSD is _not_ a difference between Linux and *BSD... Mac OS-X is a bit more different than just *BSD, as Apple reshaped the paths to have a rather different hierarchy than (say) FHS. But there's a barrel of Good Unix Stuff there. Hey, OS-X comes with zsh in its default install; that's better than you can say for most Linux distributions ;-)! I'd be _much_ happier trying to support a "granny" running OS-X than just about anything else. A bit of opening up ports ought to let me be able to ssh in remotely to do some system administration, and that's a FAR sight better than trying to support someone running Windows. > Knoppix is great but doesn't always work ... at least I can't get it to > work on the two machines I have tried it on. One is a lovely IBM Thinkpad > and I just haven't had a spare couple of days to debug it. Can't wait > until I do get it working however. I'm very jealous of my friends that > have it working... > > What I'm really saying is test out the Knoppix on the computer. Try > living with it yourself for a bit. For sure. -- output = reverse("moc.liamg" "@" "enworbbc") http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/wp.html "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 04:05:23 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:05:23 -0500 Subject: Mac OS-X In-Reply-To: <20041214143223.GQ8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> <20041214143223.GQ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041216040523.77C8E4305@cbbrowne.com> > As far as I know, Apple Unix runs on mach, mklinux runs on mac, Mac OS > X runs on mach, nextstep runs on mach (I believe). They apparently > only understand running an OS on top of a microkernel. Originally, Mach wasn't a microkernel; it represented a model for a different shaping of threading and IPC on Unix. OSF/1 which was later called Digital UNIX was based on Mach, but _wasn't_ a microkernel system. And yeah, there's an opinionated/knowledgeable senior Mach person at Apple. Tevanian worked on Mach back in the beginning, and is now Chief Software Technology Officer at Apple... In view of having someone eminent that has long term wisdom about Mach and its usage, Apple could certainly do worse than pick that as one of the technologies. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="gmail.com" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html "I really only meant to point out how nice InterOp was for someone who doesn't have the weight of the Pentagon behind him. I really don't imagine that the Air Force will ever be able to operate like a small, competitive enterprise like GM or IBM." -- Kent England -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 04:07:00 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:07:00 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <006301c4e1d6$9f06f220$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> <006301c4e1d6$9f06f220$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041216040700.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:15:37AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > Knoppix's great strength is in temporary/short term solutions to > problems. Yes, Knoppix does support saving information to USB memory > keys, and/or hard drives, but not without a (little) bit of jumping > through hoops. My inclination would be in a case like yours to go with > a more conventional install, be it Fedora, Debian, Suse, or ..... then > for updates just use the conventional package management tools (read > the likes of apt-get can be your friend...). Did the computers you were given for the Internet Longe had harddisks? If so, why didn't you install Debian using a shell script? This way, just insert CD, boot, run the script. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 12:34:24 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:34:24 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> <006301c4e1d6$9f06f220$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041216040700.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <006e01c4e36b$93ff3b80$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "William Park" on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:07 PM wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 07:15:37AM -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: > > Knoppix's great strength is in temporary/short term solutions to > > problems. Yes, Knoppix does support saving information to USB memory > > keys, and/or hard drives, but not without a (little) bit of jumping > > through hoops. My inclination would be in a case like yours to go with > > a more conventional install, be it Fedora, Debian, Suse, or ..... then > > for updates just use the conventional package management tools (read > > the likes of apt-get can be your friend...). > > Did the computers you were given for the Internet Longe had harddisks? I didn't check, certainly most of the machines had hard drives, maybe all of them. Keep in mind that hard drives were irrelevant for my purposes, so I didn't pay much attention. > If so, why didn't you install Debian using a shell script? This way, > just insert CD, boot, run the script. Yes, I could have installed to the hard drives, but it would have caused more trouble than it was worth. At 3:00 AM when I was attempting to get the 6 hours sleep per day required of all the volunteers I did NOT want a phone call from the volunteer (who may never have seen a Linux box before in his or her life) that was keeping an eye on the lounge asking about fsck errors. That is the joy of this solution, any problems with the box you can tell people that in the event of trouble just power cycle the box, no need to do a shut-down sequence, just power cycle. Further of course, by default with Knoppix passwords are disabled, so the box comes up logged in as user "knoppix", install to the hard drive and you have to start worrying about passwords. With Debian I would have lost Knoppix's default great auto-detection of hardware (remember that I didn't know until 6 days before the convention that all of the hardware I was getting would be almost identical, I could have found myself in a situation where I had 26 machines, all from different vendors with 26 different monitors which would have made making an auto install script painfully hard to write)... No, in this case, which is admittedly in many ways NOT normal, the hard drive install would be much more trouble than it was worth. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 13:08:34 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:08:34 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <006e01c4e36b$93ff3b80$4201a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <20041216040700.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net> <006e01c4e36b$93ff3b80$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412160808.34595.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 16 December 2004 07:34, Colin McGregor wrote: > identical, I could have found myself in a situation where I had 26 > machines, all from different vendors with 26 different monitors which would > have made making an auto install script painfully hard to write)... This is no longer true of Debian. I recently upgraded some HA webservers using sarge. I first tested my installs on a new whitebox (single IDE disk), I then performed the install on one of the old servers (an old IBM server with ipc hardware raid), finally the install was applied to a new IBM 1U server with software RAID. In every case the identical fully automated install CD was used, the one part that did differ was the final install on the 1U servers since software RAID was used (that could have been accounted for in the autoinstall as well of course) . In none of the install was there ever manual specification of hardware. I agree on the Knoppix choice though, with such a short time frame to work with I think I'd have gone for a CD based distro as well. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 09:58:33 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:58:33 +0200 (IST) Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm In-Reply-To: <20041216040700.GA2205-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <000f01c4e199$7ca91c40$0200a8c0@jimslaptop> <006301c4e1d6$9f06f220$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20041216040700.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > Did the computers you were given for the Internet Longe had harddisks? > If so, why didn't you install Debian using a shell script? This way, > just insert CD, boot, run the script. It is easy to add something like: for d in \ /mnt/auto/hda1 \ /mnt/auto/sda1 \ /mnt/auto/fd0 \ /mnt/auto/scd0 \ /mnt/auto/scd1 \ ; do if [ -f $d/autoknoppix/autoknoppix.sh ]; then echo "Running $d/autoknoppix/autoknoppix.sh" . $d/autoknoppix/autoknoppix.sh fi done to ~/.xsession or ~/.xinit of the knoppix user on a knoppix cd. Thereafter, anything you put in there will work. Please check the automounter path (it is correct for my modified setup, may be wrong for yours), and CR/LF issues with bash. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 14:21:43 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:21:43 -0500 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: TLUG - Tue Dec 14, 7:30pm References: <20041214041917.C01CD3429E@pentagon.ss.org> <20041216040700.GA2205@node1.opengeometry.net> <006e01c4e36b$93ff3b80$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <200412160808.34595.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <00e601c4e37a$91f53ce0$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Fraser Campbell" on Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:08 AM wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2004 07:34, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > identical, I could have found myself in a situation where I had 26 > > machines, all from different vendors with 26 different monitors which would > > have made making an auto install script painfully hard to write)... > > This is no longer true of Debian. I recently upgraded some HA webservers > using sarge. I first tested my installs on a new whitebox (single IDE disk), > I then performed the install on one of the old servers (an old IBM server > with ipc hardware raid), finally the install was applied to a new IBM 1U > server with software RAID. Emphasis on "no longer true", Debian Sarge was not available in early 2003 when I was finalising my plans for the convention (and in fact Debian Sarge is still not "officially" released (yes, I know the test releases of Debian Sarge have received very high praise, but it still is not yet an official release)). [snip] > I agree on the Knoppix choice though, with such a short time frame to work > with I think I'd have gone for a CD based distro as well. Even if time were not a constraint (which in my case it very definitely was), I would look to a CD based distribution for public terminals. The issue of untrained / ignorant volunteer staff made having an easily reset boxes very desirable. The fact that I didn't have to worry about setting changes to the hard drive (due either to ignorance or malice) again made an easily reset box highly desirable... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 18:04:49 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:04:49 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? Message-ID: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> I remember seeing a thread here about VIA EPIA motherboards. I'm also interested in that board. For those who has them, my questions are - can it boot from USB key drive? (this is my main requirement) - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 18:56:48 2004 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:56:48 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <20041216180449.GA1675-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: Has anyone managed to get a 2.6.x kernel working with OnTrack's DDO? I've got a 40gb seagate disc that I'd like to use with some *nix system. I've checked around and discovered that hdx=remap63 is no longer supported in 2.6 kernels. What about hdx=stroke? Moreover, should I used fdisk to change my drive geometry from 4865/255/63 to 4864/254/63? Thanks in advance for any suggestions/help. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 19:33:23 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:33:23 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <41C1DA70.6070203-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1DA70.6070203@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041216193322.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:56:48PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > Has anyone managed to get a 2.6.x kernel working with OnTrack's DDO? > I've got a 40gb seagate disc that I'd like to use with some *nix system. > I've checked around and discovered that hdx=remap63 is no longer > supported in 2.6 kernels. What about hdx=stroke? Moreover, should I used > fdisk to change my drive geometry from 4865/255/63 to 4864/254/63? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions/help. Well assuming a bios upgrade isn't an option, and adding a pci ide card with a better bios isn't an option, then a few decent options are: Make a /boot partition at the start of the disk, of say 128M or so. Install the bootloader to there so that the boot process has no problems accessing the disk. Then let the kernel use the rest of the HD normally, since linux should be able to detect the whole disk size. If you used a software clip function (hd utility) to limit the drive to 32G, linux 2.6 and most later 2.4 kernels auto detect this and undo it. If you clip it with a jumper, I don't think it can.A Again just make sure that the /boot is in the part of the disk that the bios sees (32G in most cases). What size/brand/model is the HD, and what limits does the BIOS have on HD sizes? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 20:05:35 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 16 Dec 2004 15:05:35 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216180449.GA1675-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > I remember seeing a thread here about VIA EPIA motherboards. I'm also > interested in that board. For those who has them, my questions are > - can it boot from USB key drive? (this is my main requirement) There are a number of VIA EPIA boards. My vanilla VIA EPIA can't boot from USB. The BIOS says it can but, as with so many boards, it lied. I've been using compact flash w/ a CF/IDE adapter. > - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? Not sure. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 20:16:43 2004 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:16:43 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <20041216193322.GV8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1DA70.6070203@utoronto.ca> <20041216193322.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: The BIOS supports my other 80gb Seagate without any interference on the part of a DDO. As to the 40gb Seagate ST340016A, upon powering off the system the drive goes back to 32gb. Perhaps I'll try the clip (software) option as it sounds like a good one. "Make a /boot partition at the start of the disk, of say 128M or so." Does this mean that I should not install grub/lilo to MBR? Note: I've tried the drive on a Silicon Image RAID card and though it is detected and boots, it is still only recognized as a 32gb drive. Methinks that perhaps the drive itself is the problem. Note also that I purchased it when 40gb had just entered the market. I'm not sure of the manufacturer, and am unsure as to whether a firmware upgrade is available for the drive since Seagate offers none. Would an firmware upgrade help? Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 01:56:48PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > >>Has anyone managed to get a 2.6.x kernel working with OnTrack's DDO? >>I've got a 40gb seagate disc that I'd like to use with some *nix system. >>I've checked around and discovered that hdx=remap63 is no longer >>supported in 2.6 kernels. What about hdx=stroke? Moreover, should I used >>fdisk to change my drive geometry from 4865/255/63 to 4864/254/63? >> >>Thanks in advance for any suggestions/help. >> >> > >Well assuming a bios upgrade isn't an option, and adding a pci ide card >with a better bios isn't an option, then a few decent options are: > >Make a /boot partition at the start of the disk, of say 128M or so. >Install the bootloader to there so that the boot process has no problems >accessing the disk. Then let the kernel use the rest of the HD >normally, since linux should be able to detect the whole disk size. > >If you used a software clip function (hd utility) to limit the drive to >32G, linux 2.6 and most later 2.4 kernels auto detect this and undo it. >If you clip it with a jumper, I don't think it can.A Again just make >sure that the /boot is in the part of the disk that the bios sees (32G >in most cases). > >What size/brand/model is the HD, and what limits does the BIOS have on >HD sizes? > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 20:29:59 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:29:59 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041216202959.GA1866@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 03:05:35PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > William Park writes: > > > I remember seeing a thread here about VIA EPIA motherboards. I'm also > > interested in that board. For those who has them, my questions are > > - can it boot from USB key drive? (this is my main requirement) > > There are a number of VIA EPIA boards. My vanilla VIA EPIA can't boot from > USB. The BIOS says it can but, as with so many boards, it lied. I've been > using compact flash w/ a CF/IDE adapter. Thanks Tim. Is your model named just 'VIA EPIA' without -M, -TC, -MII, -PD, -MS, -ML suffix? Curiously, answers from sales people are always "Yes", but they usually bring up Compact Flash somewhere in the reply. Hmm... -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 21:09:09 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:09:09 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216180449.GA1675-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? > > mini-itx is a form factor developed by Via Technologies of Taiwan. http://www.viaembedded.com/product/index.jsp http://www.viaembedded.com/indexN.jsp There seems to be a vibrant hobbiest / specialty computing culture building up around it. Check out: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp http://www.mini-itx.com/faq.asp http://www.mini-itx.com/ A good introduction of mini-itx plus a big list of motherboards and devices: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html A more general discussion of single-board computers (sbcs) can be found at: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2614444132.html Unfortunately, I don't know any local sources (in the GTA) where I can buy the stuff. I found an online store here: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ Let me know what sources you find. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 21:13:27 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <41C1ED2B.2070607-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1DA70.6070203@utoronto.ca> <20041216193322.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41C1ED2B.2070607@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041216211327.GW8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 03:16:43PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > The BIOS supports my other 80gb Seagate without any interference on the > part of a DDO. As to the 40gb Seagate ST340016A, upon powering off the > system the drive goes back to 32gb. Perhaps I'll try the clip (software) > option as it sounds like a good one. > > "Make a /boot partition at the start of the disk, of say 128M or so." > Does this mean that I should not install grub/lilo to MBR? > > Note: I've tried the drive on a Silicon Image RAID card and though it is > detected and boots, it is still only recognized as a 32gb drive. > Methinks that perhaps the drive itself is the problem. Note also that I > purchased it when 40gb had just entered the market. I'm not sure of the > manufacturer, and am unsure as to whether a firmware upgrade is > available for the drive since Seagate offers none. Would an firmware > upgrade help? If the drive is stuck at 32G on a system that supports bigger, then someone either jumpered it for 32G or ran a utility to set it's default on power up to 32G. Getting the utility and running it should be able to set it back to normal. Some of those utilities are even available for linux. Have a look at: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk.html especially 11.5. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 21:35:39 2004 From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:35:39 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216213132.GA1971-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <4386c5b2041216133527c706fc@mail.gmail.com> Nobody seems able to find a source for these things? I was looking into this myself a while back, and ran into NCIX. Some links: Ngear Mini-ITX case: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=8134&vpn=MINI-ITX-119&manufacture=nGear%20Technologies%20Inc. VIA EPIA V MINI-ITX 1GHZ NEHEMIAH C3 PLE133 PC133 1PCI VGA SOUND LAN MOTHER http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11288&vpn=EPIA-V10000A&manufacture=VIA%20TECHNOLOGIES%20INC. VIA VPSD MINI-ITX 1GHZ NEHEMIAH C3 CLE266 1PCI ATA133 VGA SOUND LAN 1394 TV http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10059&vpn=EPIA-M10000-N&manufacture=VIA%20TECHNOLOGIES%20INC. ...and there are other boards too. Can't speak to the USB issue, but some research on the "Inter---WEB" should help. Good luck! Aaron. On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:31:32 -0500, William Park wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:09:09PM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > > William Park wrote: > > > > > - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? > > > > mini-itx is a form factor developed by Via Technologies of Taiwan. > > http://www.viaembedded.com/product/index.jsp > > http://www.viaembedded.com/indexN.jsp > > > > There seems to be a vibrant hobbiest / specialty computing culture > > building up around it. Check out: > > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp > > http://www.mini-itx.com/faq.asp > > http://www.mini-itx.com/ > > > > A good introduction of mini-itx plus a big list of motherboards and devices: > > http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html > > > > A more general discussion of single-board computers (sbcs) can be found at: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2614444132.html > > > > Unfortunately, I don't know any local sources (in the GTA) where I can > > buy the stuff. I found an online store here: > > http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ > > > > Let me know what sources you find. > > Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. > As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), > CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the > past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, > and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. > > -- > William Park > Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada > Linux solution for data processing. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 21:31:32 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:31:32 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <41C1F975.8050503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:09:09PM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > William Park wrote: > > > - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? > > mini-itx is a form factor developed by Via Technologies of Taiwan. > http://www.viaembedded.com/product/index.jsp > http://www.viaembedded.com/indexN.jsp > > There seems to be a vibrant hobbiest / specialty computing culture > building up around it. Check out: > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp > http://www.mini-itx.com/faq.asp > http://www.mini-itx.com/ > > A good introduction of mini-itx plus a big list of motherboards and devices: > http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html > > A more general discussion of single-board computers (sbcs) can be found at: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2614444132.html > > Unfortunately, I don't know any local sources (in the GTA) where I can > buy the stuff. I found an online store here: > http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ > > Let me know what sources you find. Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:15:46 2004 From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:15:46 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <20041216211327.GW8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1DA70.6070203@utoronto.ca> <20041216193322.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41C1ED2B.2070607@utoronto.ca> <20041216211327.GW8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: I'll try a few things and see how it goes. Thanks for the pointers though (note that Knoppix 3.2 works, must be a 2.4 kernel). Jamon Camisso Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 03:16:43PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > > >>The BIOS supports my other 80gb Seagate without any interference on the >>part of a DDO. As to the 40gb Seagate ST340016A, upon powering off the >>system the drive goes back to 32gb. Perhaps I'll try the clip (software) >>option as it sounds like a good one. >> >>"Make a /boot partition at the start of the disk, of say 128M or so." >>Does this mean that I should not install grub/lilo to MBR? >> >>Note: I've tried the drive on a Silicon Image RAID card and though it is >>detected and boots, it is still only recognized as a 32gb drive. >>Methinks that perhaps the drive itself is the problem. Note also that I >>purchased it when 40gb had just entered the market. I'm not sure of the >>manufacturer, and am unsure as to whether a firmware upgrade is >>available for the drive since Seagate offers none. Would an firmware >>upgrade help? >> >> > >If the drive is stuck at 32G on a system that supports bigger, then >someone either jumpered it for 32G or ran a utility to set it's default >on power up to 32G. Getting the utility and running it should be able >to set it back to normal. Some of those utilities are even available >for linux. > >Have a look at: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk.html >especially 11.5. > >Lennart Sorensen >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:16:52 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:16:52 -0500 Subject: Using/installing 2.6.x kernel with Dynamic Drive Overlay In-Reply-To: <41C20912.2050802-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1DA70.6070203@utoronto.ca> <20041216193322.GV8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41C1ED2B.2070607@utoronto.ca> <20041216211327.GW8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41C20912.2050802@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041216221652.GX8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 05:15:46PM -0500, Jamon Camisso wrote: > I'll try a few things and see how it goes. Thanks for the pointers > though (note that Knoppix 3.2 works, must be a 2.4 kernel). I think around 2.4.20 or so the support when in. Might have been slightly earlier. And I think some versions it was a config option if it should be supported or not. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 22:47:23 2004 From: vertaxis-fLiV7HKGQdk at public.gmane.org (vertaxis) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:47:23 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <4386c5b2041216133527c706fc-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> <4386c5b2041216133527c706fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20041216174516.0363b020@mail.vif.com> I found a place that might be able to get them. www.pccanada.com They told me a month ago that they could get me an Epia PD10000 for around $245.00 It would be a special order. As for a case.... I had a 2U rack case available to me for use. The PCI slot was in the wrong place for my purposes, otherwise it fits normally in any ATX case Good Hunting At 04:35 PM 2004/12/16, Aaron Vegh wrote: >Nobody seems able to find a source for these things? I was looking >into this myself a while back, and ran into NCIX. Some links: > >Ngear Mini-ITX case: >http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=8134&vpn=MINI-ITX-119&manufacture=nGear%20Technologies%20Inc. > >VIA EPIA V MINI-ITX 1GHZ NEHEMIAH C3 PLE133 PC133 1PCI VGA SOUND LAN MOTHER >http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11288&vpn=EPIA-V10000A&manufacture=VIA%20TECHNOLOGIES%20INC. > >VIA VPSD MINI-ITX 1GHZ NEHEMIAH C3 CLE266 1PCI ATA133 VGA SOUND LAN 1394 TV >http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10059&vpn=EPIA-M10000-N&manufacture=VIA%20TECHNOLOGIES%20INC. > >...and there are other boards too. Can't speak to the USB issue, but >some research on the "Inter---WEB" should help. > >Good luck! >Aaron. > > >On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:31:32 -0500, William Park >wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 04:09:09PM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > > > William Park wrote: > > > > > > > - where did you get the case for mini-ITX board? > > > > > > mini-itx is a form factor developed by Via Technologies of Taiwan. > > > http://www.viaembedded.com/product/index.jsp > > > http://www.viaembedded.com/indexN.jsp > > > > > > There seems to be a vibrant hobbiest / specialty computing culture > > > building up around it. Check out: > > > http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp > > > http://www.mini-itx.com/faq.asp > > > http://www.mini-itx.com/ > > > > > > A good introduction of mini-itx plus a big list of motherboards and > devices: > > > http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html > > > > > > A more general discussion of single-board computers (sbcs) can be > found at: > > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2614444132.html > > > > > > Unfortunately, I don't know any local sources (in the GTA) where I can > > > buy the stuff. I found an online store here: > > > http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ > > > > > > Let me know what sources you find. > > > > Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. > > As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), > > CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the > > past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, > > and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. > > > > -- > > William Park > > Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada > > Linux solution for data processing. > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 23:17:38 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:17:38 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216213132.GA1971-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041216231738.GA23447@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I noticed that one of the computer stores in the College-Spadina area was willing to or had in stock a number of VIA-based cards or systems. I don't recall the name off-hand, but it was the first store south of College on the East side of Spadina, and they have been recommended by people on this list. Also, check out http://www.solarpc.com/, they look like a very interesting company. They recently came out with a $100 (US) PC for mass deployment in developing countries. Because of the low power needs and storage flexibility of these boards they can be used in 12V DC systems, and thus run off of solar cells. Here's some recent press: http://linuxpr.com/releases/7357.html -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 23:17:58 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:17:58 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216213132.GA1971-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41C217A6.2060801@rogers.com> William Park wrote: >Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. >As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), >CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the >past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, >and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. > > I'd like to try to build some regular/LTSP thin clients also. What I'd like to know is the premium one pays for using the mini-itx form factor. But mini-itx machines are much more portable and there's a coolness factor. As near as I can figure, you pay about 25-40% more for a mini-itx setup over an equivalent ATX setup. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 16 23:47:02 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 16 Dec 2004 18:47:02 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216202959.GA1866-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <20041216202959.GA1866@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 03:05:35PM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > William Park writes: > > > > > I remember seeing a thread here about VIA EPIA motherboards. I'm also > > > interested in that board. For those who has them, my questions are > > > - can it boot from USB key drive? (this is my main requirement) > > > > There are a number of VIA EPIA boards. My vanilla VIA EPIA can't boot from > > USB. The BIOS says it can but, as with so many boards, it lied. I've been > > using compact flash w/ a CF/IDE adapter. > > Thanks Tim. Is your model named just 'VIA EPIA' without -M, -TC, -MII, > -PD, -MS, -ML suffix? Plain VIA EPIA. I think it's called a 5000, i.e. VIA EPIA 5000. It has an 800 MHz CPU and the unaccelerated south bridge, i.e. not the CLE266. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 01:28:24 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:28:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041216213132.GA1971-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. > As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), > CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the > past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, > and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for some time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard part of going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 02:01:55 2004 From: jaaaarel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:01:55 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:30 -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > We just discussed something similar on Perl Monks: > > http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=414600 > > My own contribution suggested using LOAD DATA INFILE or some variety > of bcp, the Bulk Copy Program, if available for your installation. I was also looking for a LOAD command with psql, but found the COPY command instead, which sounded similar enough that I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. If it's not the same thing, then psql should have some other utility for the purpose. That or it's not worth using for this. ;) -- taa /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 02:02:05 2004 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:02:05 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Message-ID: <000001c4e3dc$6927c1e0$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> I need help from anyone wishing to assist. I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. much appreciated James -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 03:02:57 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:02:57 -0500 Subject: Dec. 14 T.L.U.G. Talk follow-up. Message-ID: <007201c4e3e4$e9549660$4201a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Just to follow-up on my T.L.U.G. talk on Dec. 14: - A thank you to Chris Browne and the folks at Afilias who lent the video projector that I used during the presentation. Had I had to bring the monochrome projector from my office things would have been a lot uglier. - For those who missed my talk about "The Temporary Internet Lounge" you will be able to read my article that formed the basis of my talk in the February 2005 issue of "Linux Journal". On page 3 of the January issue of "Linux Journal" in the "Next Month" column you will see a brief introduction to my article. - For those who want to download a copy of Knoppix to play with, have a look here: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html or here: http://www.knoppix.net/ - Regarding Torcon 3 (the 61st World Science Fiction Convention), where I set-up a temporary Internet Lounge: - the main website, http://www.torcon3.on.ca/ - The volunteers, http://www.torcon3.on.ca/about/committee/index.html You will find me under "Member Services". - Regarding World Science Fiction Conventions in general, - here is a list of where they have been: http://worldcon.org/wclist.html - here is a list of where they are going: http://worldcon.org/ Next stop Glasgow, Scotland, 4 - 8 August, 2005 - The wallpaper that I used on my laptop (and which was I think briefly visible at the start/end of the presentation) came from Digital Blasphemy, a web site that offers all sorts of computer generated wallpapers by Ryan Bliss. The focus of the site is to sell CD-ROMs with collections of artwork by Mr. Bliss and/or sell subscriptions to the "Members Only" area. Still, there are a number of free images available (which are changed periodically), many of which are excellent. The entry point to the free area can be found here: http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/ Also as noted at the meeting, I am currently under-employed, and am looking for something better. You will find a copy of my resume here: http://www.mcgregor.org/resume.htm If anyone knows of anyone looking for a system administrator who in a pinch can be a technical writer let me know. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 03:06:32 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:06:32 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041217030632.GB1772@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:28:24PM -0500, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's > > mini-ITX. As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network > > boot (PXE), CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client > > made sense in the past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just > > boot from USB keydrive, and away you go. 100% solid-state machine > > at that. > > Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for > some time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard > part of going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. Purely from the specs, VIA mini-ITX is about 10W max. I should be able to get away with removing fan in the power supply. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 04:12:40 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:12:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041217030632.GB1772-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041217030632.GB1772@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for > > some time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard > > part of going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. > > Purely from the specs, VIA mini-ITX is about 10W max. I should be able > to get away with removing fan in the power supply. More precisely, you should be able to get away with a fanless power supply -- I'd suggest buying one designed for that (mini-ITX cases tend to come with them) rather than just removing the fan from a garden-variety PC supply, especially since garden-variety PC supplies often won't run properly at very low loads. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 06:36:06 2004 From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:36:06 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? References: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41C27E56.B4B32AB5@rogers.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > > Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for some > time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard part of > going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. See http://www.solarpc.com/about.html for a fanless system. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 07:27:06 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:27:06 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <41C27E56.B4B32AB5-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C27E56.B4B32AB5@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041217072706.GB1551@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:36:06AM -0500, Yanni Chiu wrote: > Henry Spencer wrote: > > > > Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for some > > time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard part of > > going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. > > See http://www.solarpc.com/about.html for a fanless system. Thanks Yanni. I just wish these outlets realize that answering customer's email is good for business. :-( Some more of my sales pitch... Up to now, thin-clients were used to add "value" to a project. They were never successful as standalone retail item. I think it's because thin-clients of the past didn't give the feeling of "control" and "ownership" like regular computer (either Linux or Windows) does. They were proprietary and couldn't be upgraded or expanded. Also, they required specialized knowledge to set up and maintain them. I believe USB key drive (effectively portable harddisk) will change the situation. You don't need special skills. If you can install Linux distro to harddisk and configure it, then you have all the skill to set up thin-client. So, put together - mini-ITX - case - USB key drive and you've got a thin-client. If you wish, add - harddisk - cdrom - floppy and you've got a regular computer. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 07:45:02 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:45:02 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 cache -- next steps Message-ID: <20041217024502.784bd8fd.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> After months of mysterious ICEs (internal compiler errors) with GCC, I've finally narrowed down that there's a problem with my computer's L2 cache. It is a 256 KB cache. My question is, what do I do, now that I've detected that there's a problem in my L2 cache which has been causing these problems? Do I need to replace the part, or is there some kind of program I can run that can test the cache and fix errors? Thanks, I appreciate any help! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 12:35:53 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:35:53 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041217072706.GB1551-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216213132.GA1971@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C27E56.B4B32AB5@rogers.com> <20041217072706.GB1551@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41C2D2A9.4070707@rogers.com> William Park wrote: > So, put together > - mini-ITX > - case > - USB key drive > > I think you need to add "power supply" to the above list. From my research into the mini-itx world, the case usually doesn't come with a power supply and they range from 20 - 200 W depednding.... paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 14:47:34 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:47:34 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EE7C@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Do you still need help? It looks to me like 2 things are happening. You router is not configured properly, needs a firmware upgrade or Cogeco is blocking those ports. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:02 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 I need help from anyone wishing to assist. I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. much appreciated James -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 14:59:26 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 cache -- next steps In-Reply-To: <20041217024502.784bd8fd.logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041217024502.784bd8fd.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041217145926.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 02:45:02AM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > After months of mysterious ICEs (internal compiler errors) with GCC, I've finally narrowed down that there's a problem with my computer's L2 cache. It is a 256 KB cache. > > My question is, what do I do, now that I've detected that there's a problem in my L2 cache which has been causing these problems? Do I need to replace the part, or is there some kind of program I can run that can test the cache and fix errors? > > Thanks, I appreciate any help! If it's defective, you turn it off and live with a somewhat major performance hit, or you replace it. What type of cpu? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 18:04:51 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:04:51 -0500 Subject: dump a perl array into a psql DB via 'copy'; help? In-Reply-To: References: <41BFDC00.7000800@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:01:55 -0500, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:48:30 -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > > We just discussed something similar on Perl Monks: > > > > http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=414600 > > > > My own contribution suggested using LOAD DATA INFILE or some variety > > of bcp, the Bulk Copy Program, if available for your installation. > > I was also looking for a LOAD command with psql, but found the COPY command > instead, which sounded similar enough that I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. > > If it's not the same thing, then psql should have some other utility > for the purpose. Yeah, sorry, LOAD DATA INFILE is MySQL's way of doing it, and PostgreSQL uses COPY which does the same thing. Any database needs to have a good way of bulk loading in data .. my first experience with that was using Ingres, and they had a utility called bcp, for bulk copy program. Sometimes you just have to poke around the documentation to find these gems. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 07:16:53 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:16:53 +0200 (IST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: >> Thanks Paul. I'm exploring building a thin-client using Via's mini-ITX. >> As usual, commodity PC has changed the equation. Network boot (PXE), >> CDROM boot, and other ways of implementing thin-client made sense in the >> past. But, with USB key drive, you can now just boot from USB keydrive, >> and away you go. 100% solid-state machine at that. > > Getting rid of the disk is the easy part -- that's been practical for some > time now with CompactFlash cards and CF-IDE adapters. The hard part of > going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. Not so hard if you do not aim for high speed. Anything up to about 1GHz will work without a fan, with an oversized heatsink. Power supplies with variable fan speed will have an inaudible fan at low load. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 18:19:29 2004 From: logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Logan Rathbone) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:19:29 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 cache -- next steps In-Reply-To: <20041217145926.GY8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041217024502.784bd8fd.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> <20041217145926.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041217131929.54ed4aef.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:59:26 -0500 lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) wrote: > If it's defective, you turn it off and live with a somewhat major > performance hit, or you replace it. > Yeah, that's pretty much what I've gathered from the time I discovered it was busted 'til now. The performance hit is unfortunately drastic, so what I've had to do is leave it on, which is fine for ordinary computer stuff, but if I desperately need to compile something that won't compile without an ICE, I've rebooted and disabled the L2. > What type of cpu? > It's an AMD Athlon XP 2200 1.8 GHz Thanks for the quick reply!! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 18:46:06 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:46:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > ...The hard part of > > going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. > > Not so hard if you do not aim for high speed. Anything up to about 1GHz > will work without a fan, with an oversized heatsink. Power supplies with > variable fan speed will have an inaudible fan at low load. Depending on the application, you might want completely fanless, not just quiet. Which is not that hard to achieve, with the right hardware, but it does take you a little out of the commodity-PC market. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 20:01:34 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:01:34 -0500 Subject: Defective L2 cache -- next steps In-Reply-To: <20041217131929.54ed4aef.logan.rathbone-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041217024502.784bd8fd.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> <20041217145926.GY8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041217131929.54ed4aef.logan.rathbone@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20041217200134.GZ8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:19:29PM -0500, Logan Rathbone wrote: > Yeah, that's pretty much what I've gathered from the time I discovered it was busted 'til now. The performance hit is unfortunately drastic, so what I've had to do is leave it on, which is fine for ordinary computer stuff, but if I desperately need to compile something that won't compile without an ICE, I've rebooted and disabled the L2. > > It's an AMD Athlon XP 2200 1.8 GHz At least picking up a new Athlon Xp 2500 to 2800 range should be possible pretty cheap while they are still possible to get. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 20:19:26 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 22:19:26 +0200 (IST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: >>> ...The hard part of >>> going 100% solid state is getting rid of the cooling fans. >> >> Not so hard if you do not aim for high speed. Anything up to about 1GHz >> will work without a fan, with an oversized heatsink. Power supplies with >> variable fan speed will have an inaudible fan at low load. > > Depending on the application, you might want completely fanless, not just > quiet. Which is not that hard to achieve, with the right hardware, but it > does take you a little out of the commodity-PC market. Imho not really. I have 'hacked' several pieces of commercial equipment for special purposes (on-offs). As I said, getting rid of the CPU fan is easy, but a normal psu won't work without a fan without major mods. So one buys a higher end cpu which will, or a standard smpsu from the usual outlets and adapts it. The problem with the latter is sometimes poor regulation, ATX power functions won't work and more. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 20:41:08 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:41:08 -0500 Subject: New mini-itx main board Message-ID: <41C34464.4070608@rogers.com> fyi http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3462367027.html paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 17 23:54:07 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:54:07 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 In-Reply-To: <000001c4e3dc$6927c1e0$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> References: <000001c4e3dc$6927c1e0$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> Message-ID: <20041217235407.GA18759@m450> On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:02:05PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > I need help from anyone wishing to assist. > > I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my > ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up > any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset > them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another > desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to > cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp > or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. Cogeco territory is a bit outside the range of a Toronto or York Region bus fare, so my help will have to be remote. Here's a basic checklist; hope it doesn't insult you by mentioning some glaringly obvious things. I don't know your expertise level, so I'm going to start from square 1. - I assume that the router shows one public IP address and an RFC1918 IP address internally, like 192.168.0.1 (or something similar) - If you want your machines to talk to each other, it becomes much easier if you assign static IP addresses to them (e.g. 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3, etc). Imagine trying to maintain a long-distance romance if your girlfriend's phone number changes every day. While you're at it, make sure that all machines on your lan have names in /etc/hosts on all machines. - Some firewalls have rules to block RFC1918 addresses. They should never be seen coming in from outside. However, they're perfectly OK coming in from your little LAN. Check for any iptables rules blocking the IP address of your desktop. - The sshd and ftpd servers I've used require holes to be poked in /etc/hosts.allow, regardless of whether or not you're running inetd or xinetd. While you need an entry for sshd in hosts.allow, do *NOT* put an entry for sshd in your inetd configuration file. - sshd requires an entry in its config file, specifying which IP address it is listening on. ftpd is very nitpicky if you're setting up anonymous ftp. You need the right set of directories with the right set of permissions -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 01:54:30 2004 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:54:30 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 In-Reply-To: <20041217235407.GA18759@m450> References: <20041217235407.GA18759@m450> Message-ID: <000f01c4e4a4$84769570$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> Sorry , but I have not got a clue of what you just said... thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter Dnes Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:02:05PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > I need help from anyone wishing to assist. > > I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my > ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up > any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset > them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another > desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to > cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp > or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. Cogeco territory is a bit outside the range of a Toronto or York Region bus fare, so my help will have to be remote. Here's a basic checklist; hope it doesn't insult you by mentioning some glaringly obvious things. I don't know your expertise level, so I'm going to start from square 1. - I assume that the router shows one public IP address and an RFC1918 IP address internally, like 192.168.0.1 (or something similar) - If you want your machines to talk to each other, it becomes much easier if you assign static IP addresses to them (e.g. 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3, etc). Imagine trying to maintain a long-distance romance if your girlfriend's phone number changes every day. While you're at it, make sure that all machines on your lan have names in /etc/hosts on all machines. - Some firewalls have rules to block RFC1918 addresses. They should never be seen coming in from outside. However, they're perfectly OK coming in from your little LAN. Check for any iptables rules blocking the IP address of your desktop. - The sshd and ftpd servers I've used require holes to be poked in /etc/hosts.allow, regardless of whether or not you're running inetd or xinetd. While you need an entry for sshd in hosts.allow, do *NOT* put an entry for sshd in your inetd configuration file. - sshd requires an entry in its config file, specifying which IP address it is listening on. ftpd is very nitpicky if you're setting up anonymous ftp. You need the right set of directories with the right set of permissions -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 04:46:26 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:46:26 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Message-ID: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EE90@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Ok lets try again. You have a box running Linux and Plesk and a Linksys router. You also have a desktop that is also behind the router - Correct? Are you having trouble getting outside people to see your web site or are you having trouble getting your desktop to see your web site? If outside people cannot see your web site then you have a firewall issue. If it is only the desktop that cannot your Linux machine then it is probably a routing issue. What is the ip address of the Linux box? What is the ip address of the desktop box? Have you tried to access the Linux box using the ip address instead of the hostname? What are you typing when you try to access the Linux/Plesk box? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:55 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Sorry , but I have not got a clue of what you just said... thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter Dnes Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:02:05PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > I need help from anyone wishing to assist. > > I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my > ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up > any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset > them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another > desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to > cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp > or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. Cogeco territory is a bit outside the range of a Toronto or York Region bus fare, so my help will have to be remote. Here's a basic checklist; hope it doesn't insult you by mentioning some glaringly obvious things. I don't know your expertise level, so I'm going to start from square 1. - I assume that the router shows one public IP address and an RFC1918 IP address internally, like 192.168.0.1 (or something similar) - If you want your machines to talk to each other, it becomes much easier if you assign static IP addresses to them (e.g. 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3, etc). Imagine trying to maintain a long-distance romance if your girlfriend's phone number changes every day. While you're at it, make sure that all machines on your lan have names in /etc/hosts on all machines. - Some firewalls have rules to block RFC1918 addresses. They should never be seen coming in from outside. However, they're perfectly OK coming in from your little LAN. Check for any iptables rules blocking the IP address of your desktop. - The sshd and ftpd servers I've used require holes to be poked in /etc/hosts.allow, regardless of whether or not you're running inetd or xinetd. While you need an entry for sshd in hosts.allow, do *NOT* put an entry for sshd in your inetd configuration file. - sshd requires an entry in its config file, specifying which IP address it is listening on. ftpd is very nitpicky if you're setting up anonymous ftp. You need the right set of directories with the right set of permissions -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 09:08:39 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:08:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <14152.6785948829$1103360980@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 09:08:39 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:08:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <9189.57376056842$1103361118@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sat Dec 18 13:51:09 2004 From: jmendez-xio1h/R+dyusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (James Mendez) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:51:09 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 In-Reply-To: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EE90-49iW0tF5bQUrdqLDzsA3A0qvI0cuIMSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <70C7E310DB3B5F498D4F6AD8FBBFCC5121EE90@lynchmail2.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <000401c4e508$a1d50d90$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> Thanks for the info I cant get access to the linux box both form outside and inside. I used the www. I can get access tho Plesk by using the IP address external. I cannot get access to the IP internal my IP address external is 216.221.83.19 my iP internal is 192.186.100 the desktop IP is 192.186.102 thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Wil McGilvery Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:46 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Ok lets try again. You have a box running Linux and Plesk and a Linksys router. You also have a desktop that is also behind the router - Correct? Are you having trouble getting outside people to see your web site or are you having trouble getting your desktop to see your web site? If outside people cannot see your web site then you have a firewall issue. If it is only the desktop that cannot your Linux machine then it is probably a routing issue. What is the ip address of the Linux box? What is the ip address of the desktop box? Have you tried to access the Linux box using the ip address instead of the hostname? What are you typing when you try to access the Linux/Plesk box? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 905-363-1600 905-363-4297 Ext. 248 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 905-363-1194? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of James Mendez Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:55 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 Sorry , but I have not got a clue of what you just said... thanks James -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter Dnes Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:54 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:02:05PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > I need help from anyone wishing to assist. > > I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my > ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up > any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset > them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another > desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to > cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp > or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. Cogeco territory is a bit outside the range of a Toronto or York Region bus fare, so my help will have to be remote. Here's a basic checklist; hope it doesn't insult you by mentioning some glaringly obvious things. I don't know your expertise level, so I'm going to start from square 1. - I assume that the router shows one public IP address and an RFC1918 IP address internally, like 192.168.0.1 (or something similar) - If you want your machines to talk to each other, it becomes much easier if you assign static IP addresses to them (e.g. 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3, etc). Imagine trying to maintain a long-distance romance if your girlfriend's phone number changes every day. While you're at it, make sure that all machines on your lan have names in /etc/hosts on all machines. - Some firewalls have rules to block RFC1918 addresses. They should never be seen coming in from outside. However, they're perfectly OK coming in from your little LAN. Check for any iptables rules blocking the IP address of your desktop. - The sshd and ftpd servers I've used require holes to be poked in /etc/hosts.allow, regardless of whether or not you're running inetd or xinetd. While you need an entry for sshd in hosts.allow, do *NOT* put an entry for sshd in your inetd configuration file. - sshd requires an entry in its config file, specifying which IP address it is listening on. ftpd is very nitpicky if you're setting up anonymous ftp. 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The previous installation was Mandrake 10 Community which I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade to 10 -- I think it failed because there wasn't enough space. I've managed to mount the drives with the old installation, but I guess what I really want to do is rm -fr /home/matt/* # force, recursive (new location) cp -apr /olda7/* /home/matt # all files, protect permissions/ownership, recursive I'm just not sure it's going to mess something up .. are there files that I shouldn't copy over, but leave from the original? Thanks. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 18:13:12 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:13:12 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Hello, > > I've just re-installed Mandrake 10 on my step-son's computer, and I > want to copy his home directory from the small drive (6.4G, dual boot > with Windows 98) where I originally installed it to the new drive > (80G, Mandrake only). The previous installation was Mandrake 10 > Community which I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade to 10 -- I think it > failed because there wasn't enough space. > > I've managed to mount the drives with the old installation, but I > guess what I really want to do is > > rm -fr /home/matt/* # force, recursive (new location) > cp -apr /olda7/* /home/matt # all files, protect > permissions/ownership, recursive > > I'm just not sure it's going to mess something up .. are there files > that I shouldn't copy over, but leave from the original? All you need is "cp -a", which includes the d, p & r options. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 18:33:26 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:33:26 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? Message-ID: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> Greetings. I have thought about getting a PDA for quite some time. With Sony dropping their Clie line (at least in North America) and Handspring being bought up by Palm, I found myself looking at devices from Palm once more. I decided to get either a T3 or a T5. The T5 would have won outright if it had included a mic for audio recording as I think it is a feature I could use from time to time. It now turns out I have the chance to get a new T5 in an unopened box at a very good price so it seems as if the T5 will be the unit I will get. I need to move on this soon if I want to get the T5 but I was wondering if anyone on this list has a T5 and whether they are using it with Linux. The information on the T5 indicates it can be seen as a USB flash drive which allows a user to drag and drop of files to/from it under Windows. If this is being done via SMB it should be possible to do the same thing under Linux. I'm still researching the T5 on the Internet but I would appreciate any first hand accounts from anyone who has this unit and who has tried it with Linux in particular. Happy holidays to all. -- Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 18:36:19 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:36:19 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade In-Reply-To: <41C5C4B8.6070407-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:13:12 -0500, James Knott wrote: > Alex Beamish wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've just re-installed Mandrake 10 on my step-son's computer, and I > > want to copy his home directory from the small drive (6.4G, dual boot > > with Windows 98) where I originally installed it to the new drive > > (80G, Mandrake only). The previous installation was Mandrake 10 > > Community which I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade to 10 -- I think it > > failed because there wasn't enough space. > > > > I've managed to mount the drives with the old installation, but I > > guess what I really want to do is > > > > rm -fr /home/matt/* # force, recursive (new location) > > cp -apr /olda7/* /home/matt # all files, protect > > permissions/ownership, recursive > > > > I'm just not sure it's going to mess something up .. are there files > > that I shouldn't copy over, but leave from the original? > > All you need is "cp -a", which includes the d, p & r options. OK, thanks, that's for the low level 'copy these files here' part -- but I'm also interested in finding out if Mandrake's going to be upset that I overwrote the new version of some file in a user's directory with an older version. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 19:36:40 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:36:40 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041219193640.GA6443@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: >OK, thanks, that's for the low level 'copy these files here' part -- >but I'm also interested in finding out if Mandrake's going to be upset >that I overwrote the new version of some file in a user's directory >with an older version. The files you are thinking about are probably the dotfiles, which on a new install should be pretty minimal. If you want you can save them, or you can look in /etc/skel, which is the "skeleton" files included in a new users $HOME directory. For a good tutorial on moving /home, take a look at this article: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan.html -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 22:33:26 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:33:26 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade In-Reply-To: <20041219193640.GA6443-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> <20041219193640.GA6443@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:36:40 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 01:36:19PM -0500, Alex Beamish wrote: > > >OK, thanks, that's for the low level 'copy these files here' part -- > >but I'm also interested in finding out if Mandrake's going to be upset > >that I overwrote the new version of some file in a user's directory > >with an older version. > > The files you are thinking about are probably the dotfiles, which on a > new install should be pretty minimal. If you want you can save them, or > you can look in /etc/skel, which is the "skeleton" files included in a > new users $HOME directory. > > For a good tutorial on moving /home, take a look at this article: > > http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan.html > -- Thanks, for anyone else reading this thread, I got "The document you requested does not exist on this server." .. the correct URL is http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan.html though looking at it now I can't see any difference. So I just went down to runlevel 1, saved the new home directory and copied over the old home directory. Everything seems to have transferred over but I'll know for sure when my step-son tries to access his mail. Oh, and the desktop image that he had there isn't araound anymore -- not sure why. Alex > yours, > > William > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 22:47:49 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:47:49 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> <20041219193640.GA6443@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <41C60515.70905@truxtar.com> Alex Beamish wrote: > Oh, and the > desktop image that he had there isn't araound anymore -- not sure why. It was probably a system-wide image installed as part of some desktop environment, and got removed from the newer version. Just find out the filename and copy it to the new system. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bharder-ZFrJ8mk64YU9Kz2/zmrLjA at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 23:55:19 2004 From: bharder-ZFrJ8mk64YU9Kz2/zmrLjA at public.gmane.org (brad harder) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:55:19 -0800 Subject: netbsd 1.6.1 slice mounted under linux 2.4.x freezes linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041219235519.GA2190@methodlogic.net> On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 05:40:08PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > I have encountered this problem when mounting a 1.6.1 slice on a wd disk > under linux 2.4 (Debian based). The reverse case (mounting ext2 from > netbsd) did not cause a lockup. The mount options from the linux side were > -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd,rw and the lockup occured when attempting to > write. Reads worked. > > Has anyone seen this and is there a related bug report somewhere ? (I have > not seen one) Write support for UFS on my Debian (2.4.26) box is marked "DANGEROUS!"... is yours diff't? > Peter > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- -bch -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 01:18:53 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 20:18:53 -0500 Subject: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 In-Reply-To: <000f01c4e4a4$84769570$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> References: <20041217235407.GA18759@m450> <000f01c4e4a4$84769570$6801a8c0@jimxgc95jh5jig> Message-ID: <20041220011853.GA25424@m450> On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 08:54:30PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > Sorry , but I have not got a clue of what you just said... > > thanks > > James I was listing some possible technical reasons for your problems. Let's get back to basics. Go to your desktop machine, log in as root and execute the command... ifconfig > x.txt Go to your server, log in as root, and execute the command... ifconfig > y.txt On my home machine, I get... [m450][root][~]ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:04:5A:85:FC:BC inet addr:192.168.123.250 Bcast:192.168.123.255 Mask:255.255.255.248 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1454 Metric:1 RX packets:93208 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:75203 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:99624329 (95.0 Mb) TX bytes:8481404 (8.0 Mb) Interrupt:10 Base address:0x1000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:11718 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:11718 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:4820983 (4.5 Mb) TX bytes:4820983 (4.5 Mb) View x.txt and y.txt with any text editor (vim/pico/nano/whatever). You're usually interested in the block labelled "eth0". What are the numbers immediately after "inet addr:" in the two files? then we go on to the next step. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Walter > Dnes > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:54 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: RE: Dell Server with Linux and Plesk 7 > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:02:05PM -0500, James Mendez wrote > > I need help from anyone wishing to assist. > > > > I have a Dell server with linux redhat and plesk 7 installed. my > > ports does not seems to work at all. I cant SSH, FTP or call up > > any of my websites. Seems like the ports closes everytime I reset > > them. The server is attached to a linksys AP router and another > > desktop is also attached to this router. The router is attached to > > cogeco cable box. All recieve internet. But the desktop cannot ftp > > or see the website. Please assist even if it means coming over. > > Cogeco territory is a bit outside the range of a Toronto or York > Region bus fare, so my help will have to be remote. Here's a basic > checklist; hope it doesn't insult you by mentioning some glaringly > obvious things. I don't know your expertise level, so I'm going to > start from square 1. > > - I assume that the router shows one public IP address and an RFC1918 > IP address internally, like 192.168.0.1 (or something similar) > > - If you want your machines to talk to each other, it becomes much > easier if you assign static IP addresses to them (e.g. 192.168.0.2, > 192.168.0.3, etc). Imagine trying to maintain a long-distance > romance if your girlfriend's phone number changes every day. While > you're at it, make sure that all machines on your lan have names in > /etc/hosts on all machines. > > - Some firewalls have rules to block RFC1918 addresses. They should > never be seen coming in from outside. However, they're perfectly > OK coming in from your little LAN. Check for any iptables rules > blocking the IP address of your desktop. > > - The sshd and ftpd servers I've used require holes to be poked in > /etc/hosts.allow, regardless of whether or not you're running inetd > or xinetd. While you need an entry for sshd in hosts.allow, do *NOT* > put an entry for sshd in your inetd configuration file. > > - sshd requires an entry in its config file, specifying which IP > address it is listening on. ftpd is very nitpicky if you're setting > up anonymous ftp. You need the right set of directories with the > right set of permissions > > -- > Walter Dnes > An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will > eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, > and has a lower TCO, than linux. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Walter Dnes An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 03:03:54 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:03:54 -0500 Subject: (looking for) old Socket A cpu Message-ID: <20041220030354.GA1863@node1.opengeometry.net> I hope you don't mind this post. It's Linux related. :-) If you have an old Socket A cpu with 200-400MHz FSB, I would like to buy it. Ideally, I would prefer Duron 1000 (Morgan) because it closely matches VIA mini-ITX range, like 64MB cache, 1GHz, etc. Contact me off list. Thanks. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 03:07:06 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:07:06 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <41C5C976.1020302-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> Message-ID: <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> > I need to move on this soon if I want to get the T5 but I was > wondering if anyone on this list has a T5 and whether they are using > it with Linux. The information on the T5 indicates it can be seen as a > USB flash drive which allows a user to drag and drop of files to/from > it under Windows. If this is being done via SMB it should be possible > to do the same thing under Linux. You can mount SD/MMC cards much like flash drives if you get one of the USB devices to plug them into. As far as treating the main memory on the T5 as if it were a SCSI device, that's something that the pilot-link people have some plans for that has not yet gotten to fruition. -- "cbbrowne","@","gmail.com" http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/pims.html "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you will be hacked." -- Richard Clarke -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 03:20:44 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:20:44 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041220030707.152BB3FDA-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41C6450C.2050403@sympatico.ca> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > You can mount SD/MMC cards much like flash drives if you get one of the > USB devices to plug them into. But not if they are in traditional Palm format, I believe. I tried with the SD card from my M125, and saw nothing. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 04:07:43 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:07:43 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <41C6450C.2050403-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> <41C6450C.2050403@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041220040743.73D2F3FCF@cbbrowne.com> > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > You can mount SD/MMC cards much like flash drives if you get one of the > > USB devices to plug them into. > > But not if they are in traditional Palm format, I believe. I tried > with the SD card from my M125, and saw nothing. That seems curious. They use VFAT as the filesystem on these cards, so it is quite surprising for it not to be readable. -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "gmail.com") http://linuxfinances.info/info/unix.html "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 04:10:02 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:10:02 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <41C5C976.1020302-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> Message-ID: Hi. I have a palmOne Tungsten E PDA, and I use it under Linux all the time (it's the only thing I run on my laptop). For syncing, I use JPilot, an app which is very similar to the Palm Desktop. You can get it to sync with Evolution for email if you wish, although it may take some fiddling to get it to work. I had Evolution sync working with my old Palm IIIX a few years ago, but I don't do it with my current one. As for the SDC/MMC cards, I have a SanDisk 256Mb SD card, and I can read it under Linux using a USB reader (Lexar Jumpdrive Trio). I keep music files (MP3s & OGG), pictures (JPEG) and other files on the card, and have no problems reading them under Linux. I can also copy files to the SDC card and then use them with the Palm. Works much faster than the USB sync cable (which is only USB 1.1, while the Jumpdrive is USB 2.0). pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 08:08:51 2004 From: jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA at public.gmane.org (JM) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:08:51 +0800 Subject: Sugesstion on space scarcity Message-ID: <200412201608.51862.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Hi ALL, Does anyone know of a way to increase disk space capacity of a DB Server. Im running postgres 7.3.4 Since PG lacks tablespace as of the said version... ( they are working on in it on ver 8.0 ) and I havent heard of anyone doing soft links on data files for a production server. My Disk Setup: RAID 1 Im just wondering if its possible to replace the disk with a higher capacity. eventually the box will do a mirror on the new disk. After the mirror replace the other disk.... TIA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 09:41:23 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:41:23 +0200 (IST) Subject: netbsd 1.6.1 slice mounted under linux 2.4.x freezes linux In-Reply-To: <20041219235519.GA2190-ZFrJ8mk64YU9Kz2/zmrLjA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041219235519.GA2190@methodlogic.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, brad harder wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 05:40:08PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> >> I have encountered this problem when mounting a 1.6.1 slice on a wd disk >> under linux 2.4 (Debian based). The reverse case (mounting ext2 from >> netbsd) did not cause a lockup. The mount options from the linux side were >> -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd,rw and the lockup occured when attempting to >> write. Reads worked. >> >> Has anyone seen this and is there a related bug report somewhere ? (I have >> not seen one) > > Write support for UFS on my Debian (2.4.26) box is marked > "DANGEROUS!"... is yours diff't? Grin .. no ;-/ Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 10:38:23 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 05:38:23 -0500 Subject: X server problems Message-ID: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> Hello Thanks to Fraser for helping out with the distro I had been using (Debian Woody). I tried to upgrade it to Sarge, but there were too many package problems, so I decided to install Sarge fresh on newly-formatted /usr and root directories. I have a new problem, however. It has to do with the X server. I thought I fixed a "no screens found" problem, and had been using X for several hours yesterday, but then I had a problem starting new xterms from the GNOME menus. Then, when I tried to start an xterm from an existing xterm, I got the error "connection to :0.0 refused". And that was starting it as the same user that owns the X session. Even the command "xhost +" generated the same error. I thought I should log off and restart the server. So, I logged off, and restarted the server. I found that not only would the server not restart, but the dialog (a Debconf dialog, if I recall) it led me to gave a "no screens found" error again from the X server. Debconf said it will "disable" the server until the problem is fixed. Great. Whatever happened to the days when you just ran an X server to test your XF86Config and then looked at the error messages? I can't understand what problem adding this extra layer of techno-bureaucracy is supposed to solve in order to supposedly make my life easier. By that, I mean I fail to see what problem I am being helped with when a script disables a server because it doesn't like my configuration. I would much rather have the thing crash so I can check things out on my own. Paul King========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 11:45:16 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:45:16 -0500 Subject: X server problems In-Reply-To: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> References: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> Message-ID: <41C674FC.188.C4943@localhost> Looks like a bad Clocks line that caused X to crash. Yes, I recall adding the line, because I didn't like the default behaviour of X, which was to make an 1168x864 screen with half-inch borders. I obtained a valid Modeline from XVidtune, but forgetting, I used it as a Clocks line. Is there a "Debian" way of changing the hostname of the machine? It appears as though editing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts isn't enough. That is probably what is causing the "connection refused" error. Paul King > Hello > > Thanks to Fraser for helping out with the distro I had been using (Debian > Woody). I tried to upgrade it to Sarge, but there were too many package > problems, so I decided to install Sarge fresh on newly-formatted /usr and root > directories. > > I have a new problem, however. It has to do with the X server. I thought I fixed > a "no screens found" problem, and had been using X for several hours yesterday, > but then I had a problem starting new xterms from the GNOME menus. Then, when I > tried to start an xterm from an existing xterm, I got the error "connection to > :0.0 refused". And that was starting it as the same user that owns the X > session. Even the command "xhost +" generated the same error. > > I thought I should log off and restart the server. So, I logged off, and > restarted the server. I found that not only would the server not restart, but > the dialog (a Debconf dialog, if I recall) it led me to gave a "no screens > found" error again from the X server. Debconf said it will "disable" the server > until the problem is fixed. Great. > > > Whatever happened to the days when you just ran an X server to test your > XF86Config and then looked at the error messages? I can't understand what > problem adding this extra layer of techno-bureaucracy is supposed to solve in > order to supposedly make my life easier. By that, I mean I fail to see what > problem I am being helped with when a script disables a server because it > doesn't like my configuration. I would much rather have the thing crash so I can > check things out on my own. > > Paul King========================================================= > Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:22:54 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:22:54 -0500 Subject: TLUG Sliding Scale Message-ID: <41C6E03E.3000206@knet.ca> Recording from DV to a VHS/VCR line-in is easy. Thus, I transfered the recent TLUG meeting (Colins McGregors Knoppix) to VHS. However, I was thinking of recording a MPEG1 file also. I thought of recording a high quality MPEG, say 4000Kb/sec. But there is a problem with that. First, the MPEG capture card is not the greatest, nor is the PC it is in. (PIII-450) Thus I think recording about 2000Kb/sec is about the maximum it will do without starting to degrade the video/audio. So I decided on recording a lower quality MPEG1, say about the quality of a VCD. I am not making VCDs, since VCDs make no sense these days. I am just recording it to a VCD level of quality MPEG1 file. (Assume 60MB/hour: 1MB/minute) I was thinking of uploading these meetings to a server somewhere that can do some moderate bandwidth, or perhaps bring some DVDs to every meeting with all the meetings on them. That means downloading 600MB for 1 hour of video. It is up to your people to decide what level of audio/video you think is best. If it were me, I would choose about 500k/minute, translates to about 15 hours/15 meetings per DVD. Plus, everyone would prefer downloading 300MB as opposed to 600MB. If you want, you can just get the .MP3 file of the audio...That would be like 50 or 100kb or so! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:40:27 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:40:27 -0500 Subject: (looking for) old Socket A cpu In-Reply-To: <20041220030354.GA1863-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220030354.GA1863@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041220144027.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 10:03:54PM -0500, William Park wrote: > I hope you don't mind this post. It's Linux related. :-) > > If you have an old Socket A cpu with 200-400MHz FSB, I would like to buy > it. Ideally, I would prefer > Duron 1000 (Morgan) > because it closely matches VIA mini-ITX range, like 64MB cache, 1GHz, > etc. Actually if you are looking for fast, but low power and potentially no fan (just heat sink), maybe finding an AMD Geode NX would be an idea. It is a low speed (around 1GHz) athlon XP mobile chip for socket A. THey should be possible to purchase you would think. Lots of info on them on AMD's website. The Geode NX runs 133mhz bus (266 effective) at 667, 1000 or 1400 MHz. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:40:28 2004 From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:40:28 -0500 Subject: TLUG Sliding Scale Message-ID: How about a Bittorrent distribution. Go higher quality, it downloads faster and if everyone keeps the links open for a bit, it offloads the server demand too. D. Dave Bour Desktop Solution Center 905.381.0077 dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org http://www.desktopsolutioncenter.ca -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Teddy Mills Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:23 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: TLUG Sliding Scale Recording from DV to a VHS/VCR line-in is easy. Thus, I transfered the recent TLUG meeting (Colins McGregors Knoppix) to VHS. However, I was thinking of recording a MPEG1 file also. I thought of recording a high quality MPEG, say 4000Kb/sec. But there is a problem with that. First, the MPEG capture card is not the greatest, nor is the PC it is in. (PIII-450) Thus I think recording about 2000Kb/sec is about the maximum it will do without starting to degrade the video/audio. So I decided on recording a lower quality MPEG1, say about the quality of a VCD. I am not making VCDs, since VCDs make no sense these days. I am just recording it to a VCD level of quality MPEG1 file. (Assume 60MB/hour: 1MB/minute) I was thinking of uploading these meetings to a server somewhere that can do some moderate bandwidth, or perhaps bring some DVDs to every meeting with all the meetings on them. That means downloading 600MB for 1 hour of video. It is up to your people to decide what level of audio/video you think is best. If it were me, I would choose about 500k/minute, translates to about 15 hours/15 meetings per DVD. Plus, everyone would prefer downloading 300MB as opposed to 600MB. If you want, you can just get the .MP3 file of the audio...That would be like 50 or 100kb or so! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:45:08 2004 From: fouellet-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Francois Ouellette) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: (looking for) old Socket 7 cpu? In-Reply-To: <20041220144027.GA8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220030354.GA1863@node1.opengeometry.net> <20041220144027.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <53134.209.29.34.110.1103553908.squirrel@webmail.look.ca> If anyone is looking for an even older Socket-7 CPU, I have a 500 MHz K6-II sleeping in a box, waiting to get back to work... Fran?ois Ouellette -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:45:45 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:45 -0500 Subject: Sugesstion on space scarcity In-Reply-To: <200412201608.51862.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412201608.51862.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <20041220144545.GB8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 04:08:51PM +0800, JM wrote: > Hi ALL, > > Does anyone know of a way to increase disk space capacity of a DB Server. Im > running postgres 7.3.4 > > Since PG lacks tablespace as of the said version... ( they are working on in > it on ver 8.0 ) and I havent heard of anyone doing soft links on data files > for a production server. > > > My Disk Setup: RAID 1 > > Im just wondering if its possible to replace the disk with a higher > capacity. eventually the box will do a mirror on the new disk. After the > mirror replace the other disk.... I have done something that crazy in the past. -Replace disk 0 with larger disk -rebuild mirror You now have the data on both drives but one disk is larger. -Boot single user mode from disk 1 with raid disabled, using disk 1 raid partition as normal drive, or boot from a live cd or rescue cd -Delete partition used for raid on disk 0, create new partition with the same start location, and set up a new raid in degraded mode with the new partition, resize filesystem on new raid to fill space (creating a raid does not wipe the drive) -When all that is done, you should be able to boot from disk0, add a new larger disk 1, and rebuild the mirror This is of course very easy to screw up, so complete backups that you know how to restore are handy, although I managed to pull it off myself in the past without data loss. I tend to be lucky that way. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 14:50:01 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:50:01 -0500 Subject: TLUG Sliding Scale In-Reply-To: <41C6E03E.3000206-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> References: <41C6E03E.3000206@knet.ca> Message-ID: <20041220145001.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 09:22:54AM -0500, Teddy Mills wrote: > Recording from DV to a VHS/VCR line-in is easy. > Thus, I transfered the recent TLUG meeting (Colins McGregors Knoppix) to > VHS. > > However, I was thinking of recording a MPEG1 file also. > I thought of recording a high quality MPEG, say 4000Kb/sec. But there > is a problem with that. > First, the MPEG capture card is not the greatest, nor is the PC it is > in. (PIII-450) > Thus I think recording about 2000Kb/sec is about the maximum it will do > without starting to degrade the video/audio. > > So I decided on recording a lower quality MPEG1, say about the quality > of a VCD. > I am not making VCDs, since VCDs make no sense these days. > I am just recording it to a VCD level of quality MPEG1 file. (Assume > 60MB/hour: 1MB/minute) > > I was thinking of uploading these meetings to a server somewhere that > can do some moderate bandwidth, > or perhaps bring some DVDs to every meeting with all the meetings on them. > > That means downloading 600MB for 1 hour of video. > It is up to your people to decide what level of audio/video you think is > best. > > > If it were me, I would choose about 500k/minute, translates to about 15 > hours/15 meetings per DVD. > Plus, everyone would prefer downloading 300MB as opposed to 600MB. > > If you want, you can just get the .MP3 file of the audio...That would be > like 50 or 100kb or so! Why wouldn't you just connect the DV cam to a firewire port and dump the ram DV mpeg2 data to the machine, and then convert it down in resolution if necesary or to divx (or other mpeg4 format)? The mpeg2 compression is much better than mpeg1 and would result in a much smaller file. mpeg4 of course is way better compression where you can get almost DVD quality at about 350M/hour or so. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 15:12:11 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:12:11 -0500 Subject: Odd error starting psql Message-ID: <41C6EBCB.1010502@alteeve.com> Hi all, I noticed today during boot (Fedora Core 3, psql v7.4.6) this error what it (and later I) tried to start the 'postgesql' service. I tried googling but there are no matches on either groups nor the regular search similar to this error: Dec 20 10:07:33 akane kernel: audit(1103555253.873:0): avc: denied { read } for pid=3575 exe=/usr/bin/postgres name=PG_VERSION dev=hda5 ino=656478 scontext=root:system_r:postgresql_t tcontext=root:object_r:var_lib_t tclass=file I checked the permissions on '/usr/bin/postgres' and they are: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.2M Dec 16 18:55 /usr/bin/postgres Any insight would be great! If I find an answer in the meantime, I'll post it for the record. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 15:30:42 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:30:42 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041220040743.73D2F3FCF-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> <41C6450C.2050403@sympatico.ca> <20041220040743.73D2F3FCF@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41C6F022.3090806@sympatico.ca> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > They use VFAT as the filesystem on these cards, so it is quite > surprising for it not to be readable. Must've been my card reader acting strange. Tried it again this morning, and there were plenty of files in the PALM/ folder. Most odd. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 16:30:24 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:30:24 -0500 Subject: Odd error starting psql In-Reply-To: <41C6EBCB.1010502-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41C6EBCB.1010502@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41C6FE20.6000405@alteeve.com> Well, after getting nowhere I uninstalled and reinstalled postgres (server, clients, libs, etc) and it's working again. Go figure! Nice part is I didn't lose (or rather need to recover) my database. Madison Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed today during boot (Fedora Core 3, psql v7.4.6) this error > what it (and later I) tried to start the 'postgesql' service. I tried > googling but there are no matches on either groups nor the regular > search similar to this error: > > Dec 20 10:07:33 akane kernel: audit(1103555253.873:0): avc: denied { > read } for pid=3575 exe=/usr/bin/postgres name=PG_VERSION dev=hda5 > ino=656478 scontext=root:system_r:postgresql_t > tcontext=root:object_r:var_lib_t tclass=file > > I checked the permissions on '/usr/bin/postgres' and they are: > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.2M Dec 16 18:55 /usr/bin/postgres > > Any insight would be great! If I find an answer in the meantime, I'll > post it for the record. > > Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 16:50:02 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:50:02 -0500 Subject: Sugesstion on space scarcity In-Reply-To: <200412201608.51862.jerome-mhXWc29+iYPyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412201608.51862.jerome@gmanmi.tv> Message-ID: <200412201150.02330.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 20 December 2004 03:08, JM wrote: > Since PG lacks tablespace as of the said version... ( they are working on > in it on ver 8.0 ) and I havent heard of anyone doing soft links on data > files for a production server. > > > My Disk Setup: RAID 1 > > Im just wondering if its possible to replace the disk with a higher > capacity. eventually the box will do a mirror on the new disk. After the > mirror replace the other disk.... The way I've been setting up systems lately is: - raid1 /boot at beginning of both disks (128MB) - raid1 remainder of disks - make one large volume group on the large raid1 - create logical volumes on the volume group for all the filesystems you need You could do the upgrade like this: - create 2 failed raid1 arrays on the new disk (1 big, 1 small) - create VG and LVs like I suggested above - move data over to the logical volumes - reboot into new system running only from new disk - pull the old disk that's too small for your needs - add a matching sized disk, partition and add it into your raid arrays to complete the mirrors, after synchronization finishes reboot to make sure everything is ok If you aren't familiar with LVM then the above can be hairy. Even if you are something can still go wrong so have a backup and rescue disk handy. The approach above never overwrites your original system disk so as long as you're careful there is little risk. If your current system were using LVM then you could just go to single user mode, unmount the partition in question and type: lvresize -L10G /dev/vg0/var e2fsck -f /dev/vg0/var resize2fs /dev/vg0/var ... and then go back to multiuser. Some filesystems supposedly support online resizing though I haven't tried it. The other nice thing about LVM (in case you're not familiar with it) is that down the road if your new disks turn out to be too small you can just add more raided space, add that storage to your volume group and then add that space to whichever logical volumes need it. There are lots of caveats of course, does your current OS support raided /boot, does your current OS support root LVM, etc. My experience with this is mostly based on Debian Sarge which works great (as of a few months ago). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 18:48:35 2004 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Compiling question In-Reply-To: <200412201150.02330.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412201150.02330.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20041220184836.59238.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Recently, I compile a soure application program(xine) under Redhat 7.3 and Redhat 9.0. Both of them works. My question is what's difference between the compiled files from Redhat 7.3 and 9.0? If there is not big difference, I will stay with Redhat 7.3 with my old machine. Thanks! Louie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:12:39 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:12:39 -0500 Subject: Compiling question In-Reply-To: <20041220184836.59238.qmail-cw2X4igEEQ2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <200412201150.02330.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20041220184836.59238.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041220191239.GD8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 01:48:35PM -0500, hui xu wrote: > Recently, I compile a soure application program(xine) under Redhat 7.3 and Redhat 9.0. Both of them works. > > My question is what's difference between the compiled files from Redhat 7.3 and 9.0? > > If there is not big difference, I will stay with Redhat 7.3 with my old machine. The library versions things are compiled against, compiler they are compiled with, but overall probably nothing that would affect anything really important. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:13:17 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:13:17 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191024.GA10200-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20041220191317.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 02:10:24PM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have often wanted to see the console output of programs launched from > X, but the only way that I know is to shut down X and look at the > underlying console, which obviously wrecks the arrangement of programs, > windows and associated states that I have built up on X over the hours, > days or weeks that they X server has been running. > > Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying > console? Is xconsole to obvious an answer? Does anyone even remember xconsole? :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:24:24 2004 From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:24:24 -0500 Subject: Odd error starting psql In-Reply-To: <41C6EBCB.1010502-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41C6EBCB.1010502@alteeve.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:12:11 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed today during boot (Fedora Core 3, psql v7.4.6) this error > what it (and later I) tried to start the 'postgesql' service. I tried > googling but there are no matches on either groups nor the regular > search similar to this error: > > Dec 20 10:07:33 akane kernel: audit(1103555253.873:0): avc: denied { > read } for pid=3575 exe=/usr/bin/postgres name=PG_VERSION dev=hda5 > ino=656478 scontext=root:system_r:postgresql_t > tcontext=root:object_r:var_lib_t tclass=file > > I checked the permissions on '/usr/bin/postgres' and they are: > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.2M Dec 16 18:55 /usr/bin/postgres > > Any insight would be great! If I find an answer in the meantime, I'll > post it for the record. Can't help you that, bu I will warn you that if you edit the pg_hba.conf as root, don't forget to make sure the permissions and ownership are OK afterwards -- that file has to be owned by postgres. That one's tripped me up before. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 19:26:55 2004 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:26:55 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191024.GA10200-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20041220142655.180ab43b@pino> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:10:24 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > I have often wanted to see the console output of programs launched from > X, but the only way that I know is to shut down X and look at the > underlying console, which obviously wrecks the arrangement of programs, > windows and associated states that I have built up on X over the hours, > days or weeks that they X server has been running. I always just open a console in X then start the program from there. All errors are visible in the console and the X-program is neatly running in X. Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 20:29:31 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:29:31 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191317.GE8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220191317.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041220202931.GA10654@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 02:13:17PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 02:10:24PM -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: >> Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying >> console? > >Is xconsole to obvious an answer? Does anyone even remember xconsole? >:) xconsole does not seem to be the answer - it took a bit of kicking to get it to do anything except tell me that it "Can't open the console". I fiddled the permissions on /dev/console and then started xconsole thusly: xconsole -file /dev/console And it no longer complained, but it started stealing keystrokes and spitting up "H*P*P*P*H*H*H*H*P", which I found both annoying and uninformative. If this is what it's supposed to do then there is little wonder that it is forgotten. As for opening a terminal and starting programs from there, that doesn't fit my workflow. I use OpenBox keyboard shortcuts to open my programs, and I'm not going back. Besides, opening a terminal to launch a terminal is amusingly recursive, but unhelpful. Thanks for the offerings so far. Any other thoughts? -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 21:37:17 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191024.GA10200-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, William O'Higgins wrote: > Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying > console? The -C option to xterm tells it to try to open a window that receives console output. Haven't checked lately whether this works in Linux... Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 21:38:04 2004 From: greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Jimmy Green) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:38:04 -0500 Subject: Copying home directories after install/upgrade References: <41C5C4B8.6070407@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41C7463C.7040607@primus.ca> the hidden files of some user centric programs, like window managers for example(kde,...), keep lots-o-stuff in /home/... the layout of these things might change from version to version...? ideally layouts would be made backward compatable so that given program could detect and 'fix' older user level configs when upgrading versions. if you swap in _copies_ of older hidden directories/files which may have user level config info, it may well('should') work fine... if not, swap back the vanilla stuff from the install...then one has to redo all the stuff done last time (user preferences,,,etc...) for things like personal dialup scripts,,, miscelania... which one may have written previously and directly or indirectly installed in /home/... you _may_ be daeling with a different set of variables of how things get done in the new version of distro... or different versions of tools... since usually stuff like that is left to given user, one should not have to consider removing any such stuff from newly installed /home/... as for replacing, there should be a very good chance that any such stuff done previously will still work, barring of course a major change in distro... Alex Beamish wrote: > On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 13:13:12 -0500, James Knott wrote: > >>Alex Beamish wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I've just re-installed Mandrake 10 on my step-son's computer, and I >>>want to copy his home directory from the small drive (6.4G, dual boot >>>with Windows 98) where I originally installed it to the new drive >>>(80G, Mandrake only). The previous installation was Mandrake 10 >>>Community which I tried unsuccessfully to upgrade to 10 -- I think it >>>failed because there wasn't enough space. >>> >>>I've managed to mount the drives with the old installation, but I >>>guess what I really want to do is >>> >>> rm -fr /home/matt/* # force, recursive (new location) >>> cp -apr /olda7/* /home/matt # all files, protect >>>permissions/ownership, recursive >>> >>>I'm just not sure it's going to mess something up .. are there files >>>that I shouldn't copy over, but leave from the original? >> >>All you need is "cp -a", which includes the d, p & r options. > > > OK, thanks, that's for the low level 'copy these files here' part -- > but I'm also interested in finding out if Mandrake's going to be upset > that I overwrote the new version of some file in a user's directory > with an older version. -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second iteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 23:09:46 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: (looking for) old Socket A cpu In-Reply-To: <20041220144027.GA8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220030354.GA1863@node1.opengeometry.net> <20041220144027.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041220230946.GA2567@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 09:40:27AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 10:03:54PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > I hope you don't mind this post. It's Linux related. :-) > > > > If you have an old Socket A cpu with 200-400MHz FSB, I would like to > > buy it. Ideally, I would prefer Duron 1000 (Morgan) because it > > closely matches VIA mini-ITX range, like 64MB cache, 1GHz, etc. > > Actually if you are looking for fast, but low power and potentially no > fan (just heat sink), maybe finding an AMD Geode NX would be an idea. > It is a low speed (around 1GHz) athlon XP mobile chip for socket A. > THey should be possible to purchase you would think. > > Lots of info on them on AMD's website. > > The Geode NX runs 133mhz bus (266 effective) at 667, 1000 or 1400 MHz. Thanks. After reading the specs, they use 1.0 Vcore, hence require special motherboard. I'm not aware of any retail board which allows user to set Vcore that low. I'm afraide they are even more difficult to find than VIA EPIA. :-( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 23:22:33 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:22:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220142655.180ab43b@pino> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220142655.180ab43b@pino> Message-ID: <20041220231928.V87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > I always just open a console in X then start the program from there. All You mean you open a terminal emulator? This is not the same thing as starting a console, which is technical impossible. Looking at the console from X is possible. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 23:31:53 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:31:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220202931.GA10654-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220191317.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041220202931.GA10654@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20041220232432.X87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, William O'Higgins wrote: > xconsole does not seem to be the answer - it took a bit of kicking to > get it to do anything except tell me that it "Can't open the console". > I fiddled the permissions on /dev/console and then started xconsole > thusly: Starting it with sudo would be better. Don't break the perms on /dev/console too badly :) > xconsole -file /dev/console I suspect xconsole has not been used much in years. Changes have been made to the way the Linux console works (wrt virtual consoles) and maybe xconsole was not kept up to date with that. > And it no longer complained, but it started stealing keystrokes and > spitting up "H*P*P*P*H*H*H*H*P", which I found both annoying and Subliminal advetising for HP? :) > As for opening a terminal and starting programs from there, that doesn't > fit my workflow. I use OpenBox keyboard shortcuts to open my programs, > and I'm not going back. Besides, opening a terminal to launch a > terminal is amusingly recursive, but unhelpful. > > Thanks for the offerings so far. > > Any other thoughts? Pass console=/dev/tty1 to the kernel at boot time. The messages should all then go to /dev/tty1 regardless of which virtual console is up. I seem to recall I did do this years ago. Make sure a getty is running on /dev/tty1 :) The same effect is available if you use a serial console too. Serial consoles rock for servers. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 20 23:39:53 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:39:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220232432.X87581-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220191317.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041220202931.GA10654@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220232432.X87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20041220233341.W87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: Ok, so I'm following up to myself :) > Pass console=/dev/tty1 to the kernel at boot time. The messages should all > then go to /dev/tty1 regardless of which virtual console is up. I seem to > recall I did do this years ago. Make sure a getty is running on /dev/tty1 > :) As yes you did want it under X. You can see the serial console of other boxes under X using Minicom (or the console for the same box with a serial cable looped back I guess)[1]. xterm -C seemed to work for me. Thanks to Harry Spencer for reminding of this switch to xterm. [1] Yes, I'm not being serious. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 02:14:35 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:14:35 -0500 Subject: Connection Refused to local user (Was: Re:X server problems) In-Reply-To: <41C674FC.188.C4943@localhost> References: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> Message-ID: <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> To many of you, this sounds like an simple fix, but as to the last problem: I could get gdm to work, but I could not log on, due to an error something to the effect of "Connection refused on :0.0". I had recently changed my hostname, and thought that maybe there was something in X that wasn't smart enough to look in /etc/hostname or simply run hostname to get my new hostname. I decided to reconfigure gdm to allow root logins. I successfully logged in that way, so X must have known my new hostname. Then could it be something in my dot-files? I wasn't going to go there, since those files were more numerous than my user files. Instead, I did something very simple. I copied my home directory from user to user_broken and then remade a user directory with the same ownerships and all that. I copied my .bashrc and .functions files containing my own shell configurations. I then logged on as myself, and all was clear. I am slowly copying files back to my home directory. We'll see which file breaks my account again. Paul King > Looks like a bad Clocks line that caused X to crash. Yes, I recall adding the > line, because I didn't like the default behaviour of X, which was to make an > 1168x864 screen with half-inch borders. I obtained a valid Modeline from > XVidtune, but forgetting, I used it as a Clocks line. > > Is there a "Debian" way of changing the hostname of the machine? It appears as > though editing /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts isn't enough. That is probably what > is causing the "connection refused" error. > > Paul King > > > Hello > > > > Thanks to Fraser for helping out with the distro I had been using (Debian > > Woody). I tried to upgrade it to Sarge, but there were too many package > > problems, so I decided to install Sarge fresh on newly-formatted /usr and root > > directories. > > > > I have a new problem, however. It has to do with the X server. I thought I > > fixed a "no screens found" problem, and had been using X for several hours > > yesterday, but then I had a problem starting new xterms from the GNOME menus. > > Then, when I tried to start an xterm from an existing xterm, I got the error > > "connection to :0.0 refused". And that was starting it as the same user that > > owns the X session. Even the command "xhost +" generated the same error. > > > > I thought I should log off and restart the server. So, I logged off, and > > restarted the server. I found that not only would the server not restart, but > > the dialog (a Debconf dialog, if I recall) it led me to gave a "no screens > > found" error again from the X server. Debconf said it will "disable" the > > server until the problem is fixed. Great. > > > > > > Whatever happened to the days when you just ran an X server to test your > > XF86Config and then looked at the error messages? I can't understand what > > problem adding this extra layer of techno-bureaucracy is supposed to solve in > > order to supposedly make my life easier. By that, I mean I fail to see what > > problem I am being helped with when a script disables a server because it > > doesn't like my configuration. I would much rather have the thing crash so I > > can check things out on my own. > > > > Paul King========================================================= > > Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > > > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > ========================================================= > Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 03:13:59 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:13:59 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20041220030707.152BB3FDA-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41C794F7.4080505@interlog.com> >>The information on the T5 indicates it can be seen as a >>USB flash drive which allows a user to drag and drop of files to/from >>it under Windows. If this is being done via SMB it should be possible >>to do the same thing under Linux. >> >> > >You can mount SD/MMC cards much like flash drives if you get one of the >USB devices to plug them into. > >As far as treating the main memory on the T5 as if it were a SCSI >device, that's something that the pilot-link people have some plans for >that has not yet gotten to fruition. > With the amount of memory in the T5 I have no plans to buy an extra memory cards for it at this time let alone buying a reader for those memory cards that would plug in to my desktop computer. I have not read anything about the memory being treated as a SCSI device. I was talking about it being configured as a USB flash drive. I don't know if that means it would be seen as a SCSI device or not. I thought it might mean the device would communicate via SMB (Samba) allowing me to use smbmount. With the hotplug feature of Linux the T5 might even get automounted. As for the other way to communicate with the device, I know of gnome-pilot (and pilot-link?) which were installed by default as part of FC3. I removed them since I had no need of them. Looks like I will have to re-install them. I also discovered jpilot during my research so I will check that out as well. I think I will go with the T5 since the price is too good to pass up. Once I have had some time to try it out and see how it works with Linux I can report back. Thanks for the comments. -- Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb at ve3yra.#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 03:18:38 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:18:38 -0500 Subject: Connection Refused to local user (Was: Re:X server problems) In-Reply-To: <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> References: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> Message-ID: <200412202218.38711.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 20 December 2004 21:14, Paul King wrote: > Instead, I did something very simple. I copied my home directory from user > to user_broken and then remade a user directory with the same ownerships > and all that. I copied my .bashrc and .functions files containing my own > shell configurations. I then logged on as myself, and all was clear. > > I am slowly copying files back to my home directory. We'll see which file > breaks my account again. Your old home may have a file named .xsession-errors see if that sheds any light on what was wrong. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 12:39:42 2004 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:39:42 -0500 Subject: New mini-itx main board In-Reply-To: <41C34464.4070608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41C34464.4070608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 03:41:08PM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > fyi > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3462367027.html > > paul Do we know where to buy these retail in central Toronto? In the last thread about Mini-ITX & Via EPIA someone mentioned a place on Spadina below Dundas. Has anyone checked this out? Also: Slashdot reports that Walmart in the States is selling C3-based portable computers (like a notebook but without a battery or PC slot) with Linspire intalled. Has anyone tried these? They sound like they would fill a niche where compactness, noise-reduction, and power and space conservation are more important than raw speed. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 12:34:31 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:34:31 -0500 Subject: Connection Refused to local user (Was: Re:X server problems) In-Reply-To: <200412202218.38711.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> Message-ID: <41C7D207.7534.2491F8F@localhost> Been there, done that. It didn't. That's where the connection refused errors I quoted were found. So, I attribute it to "something" in my "dot" files, after ruling out a bad hostname configuration by logging in as root. Paul > On Monday 20 December 2004 21:14, Paul King wrote: > > Instead, I did something very simple. I copied my home directory from user to > > user_broken and then remade a user directory with the same ownerships and all > > that. I copied my .bashrc and .functions files containing my own shell > > configurations. I then logged on as myself, and all was clear. > > > > I am slowly copying files back to my home directory. We'll see which file > > breaks my account again. > > Your old home may have a file named .xsession-errors see if that sheds any light > on what was wrong. > > -- > Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 16:57:43 2004 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <20041221123941.GB5110-KsNoxkZjUyljSBAIsCdj6ruQXorvSxrg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> Message-ID: <20041221165743.2103.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I fill a little bit odd that I just subscribed to the TLUG list, and I am posting a question. I would like to hear for a positive expirience of a working wireless cards with a Linux Laptop. I have a Fedora Core 3 installed. The laptop I got ( HP ze4400 ) has a integrated Broadcom PCI wireless card, that I think I cannot get working with "ndiswrapper". Probably I am bying a wireless router today, and give it another try. If it fails ( or if I fail :) to get it working, I would probably like to buy a PCMCIA one, probably D-Link, or eventualy Lynksys. Any advice/help, especially based on a expirience with a working wireless card will be more than welcome. Regards to all, Emil Janev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 17:34:03 2004 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:34:03 -0500 Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <20041221165743.2103.qmail-4hQMARUzAi6A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> <20041221165743.2103.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:57:43AM -0800, Emil Janev wrote: > The laptop I got ( HP ze4400 ) has a integrated Broadcom PCI wireless > card, that I think I cannot get working with "ndiswrapper". > > Probably I am bying a wireless router today, and give it another try. > If it fails ( or if I fail :) to get it working, I would probably like > to buy a PCMCIA one, probably D-Link, or eventualy Lynksys. Look up the chipset(s) of the card that you are considering. I recommend staying away from the ACX100s, such as the D-Link DWL-650+, but PrismII and Orinoco are good ones. I use an Enterasys RoamAbout that I bought at the UTSC bookstore, more expensive than the ACXs that they had in stock, but uses the orinoco drivers and has a port for an external antenna. Be careful when choosing your card, some manufacturers change the chipset without changing the model number. Take a look at (sorry for the long lines) , -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 18:22:34 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:22:34 -0500 Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> References: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> <20041221165743.2103.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> Message-ID: <41C869EA.1080003@sympatico.ca> Seneca wrote: > > I recommend staying away from the ACX100s, such as the D-Link DWL-650+ They are a bit of a pain to get working, but I find that both of my cards work very well, and they're quite cheap now. has all the info. It's sometimes not that easy to work out the chipset, as some of the large manufacturers keep the same model designation for different chipsets. That's how I ended up with two ACX100 cards ... Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 19:12:25 2004 From: seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Seneca) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:12:25 -0500 Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <41C869EA.1080003-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> <20041221165743.2103.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> <41C869EA.1080003@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041221191225.GC24942@sophocles> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 01:22:34PM -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Seneca wrote: > > > >I recommend staying away from the ACX100s, such as the D-Link DWL-650+ > > They are a bit of a pain to get working, but I find that both of my > cards work very well, and they're quite cheap now. > has all the info. > > It's sometimes not that easy to work out the chipset, as some of the > large manufacturers keep the same model designation for different > chipsets. That's how I ended up with two ACX100 cards ... I have an ACX100 that I haven't yet gotten to work properly (with the latest drivers from that project), but even they suggest not getting the DWL-650+ (what I was given). I bought the RoamAbout because I needed a fully working interface (including WEP) and I didn't want to have to deal with dissecting Windows drivers to pull out the firmware (this was before 0.2.0pre2 was released, now it's scripted). Another disadvantage (to me) that the ACX100 cards have is that they're CardBus and not all of my laptops support them. -- Seneca seneca-cunningham-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 20:00:10 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:00:10 -0500 Subject: (looking for) old Socket A cpu In-Reply-To: <20041220230946.GA2567-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220030354.GA1863@node1.opengeometry.net> <20041220144027.GA8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041220230946.GA2567@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041221200010.GA2023@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 06:09:46PM -0500, William Park wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 09:40:27AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 10:03:54PM -0500, William Park wrote: > > > I hope you don't mind this post. It's Linux related. :-) > > > > > > If you have an old Socket A cpu with 200-400MHz FSB, I would like > > > to buy it. Ideally, I would prefer Duron 1000 (Morgan) because it > > > closely matches VIA mini-ITX range, like 64MB cache, 1GHz, etc. > > > > Actually if you are looking for fast, but low power and potentially > > no fan (just heat sink), maybe finding an AMD Geode NX would be an > > idea. It is a low speed (around 1GHz) athlon XP mobile chip for > > socket A. THey should be possible to purchase you would think. > > > > Lots of info on them on AMD's website. > > > > The Geode NX runs 133mhz bus (266 effective) at 667, 1000 or 1400 > > MHz. > > Thanks. After reading the specs, they use 1.0 Vcore, hence require > special motherboard. I'm not aware of any retail board which allows > user to set Vcore that low. I'm afraide they are even more difficult > to find than VIA EPIA. :-( Finally found prices... - Geode NX 1500 (cpu) - $65 in 10,000 unit - Geode NX DB1500 (motherboard) - $500 in single unit -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 20:19:23 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: TLUG Sliding Scale In-Reply-To: <20041220145001.GC8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41C6E03E.3000206@knet.ca> <20041220145001.GC8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41C8854B.2050900@truxtar.com> Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Why wouldn't you just connect the DV cam to a firewire port and dump the > ram DV mpeg2 data to the machine, and then convert it down in resolution > if necesary or to divx (or other mpeg4 format)? The mpeg2 compression > is much better than mpeg1 and would result in a much smaller file. > mpeg4 of course is way better compression where you can get almost > DVD quality at about 350M/hour or so. I also agree that MPEG4 is far superior to MPEG2. The only reason one would use MPEG2 is to play the VideoCD/DVD in a DVD player. For online distribution MPEG4+BitTorrent would be perfect. Just make sure you de-interlace the video and maybe even downscale it a little too (in that order). I would love to see videos of that meeting! -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After reading the specs, they use 1.0 Vcore, hence require > special motherboard. I'm not aware of any retail board which allows > user to set Vcore that low. I'm afraide they are even more difficult to > find than VIA EPIA. :-( Hmm, well A7N8X-E-DX goes down to 1.1V but that's still a touch much I am sure. The documentation said socket A compatible and athlon chipset compatible. I guess the required voltage would be easy to have added to a board design had they thought the socket A would ever go that low in voltage. A quick search seems to indicate that the Shuttle AK37GTR does 1.0 to 1.85V VCORE. Not sure if that is sufficient for it to run that CPU. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 22:17:23 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:17:23 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191024.GA10200-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <41C8A0F3.7030105@rogers.com> William O'Higgins wrote: > I have often wanted to see the console output of programs launched from > X, but the only way that I know is to shut down X and look at the > underlying console, which obviously wrecks the arrangement of programs, > windows and associated states that I have built up on X over the hours, > days or weeks that they X server has been running. > > Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying > console? > > Thanks. Have you tried redirecting the output to a file? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 22:37:25 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:37:25 -0500 Subject: Anyone using a Tungsten T5 PDA with Linux? In-Reply-To: <41C794F7.4080505-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <41C5C976.1020302@interlog.com> <20041220030707.152BB3FDA@cbbrowne.com> <41C794F7.4080505@interlog.com> Message-ID: <20041221223725.2B7763FD3@cbbrowne.com> > > >>The information on the T5 indicates it can be seen as a > >>USB flash drive which allows a user to drag and drop of files to/from > >>it under Windows. If this is being done via SMB it should be possible > >>to do the same thing under Linux. > >> > >> > > > >You can mount SD/MMC cards much like flash drives if you get one of the > >USB devices to plug them into. > > > >As far as treating the main memory on the T5 as if it were a SCSI > >device, that's something that the pilot-link people have some plans for > >that has not yet gotten to fruition. > > With the amount of memory in the T5 I have no plans to buy an extra > memory cards for it at this time let alone buying a reader for those > memory cards that would plug in to my desktop computer. With the absence of support for what you're asking for, the only option I can suggest is to look for some approach that _is_ supported. Using memory cards is supportable. > I have not read anything about the memory being treated as a SCSI > device. I was talking about it being configured as a USB flash > drive. I don't know if that means it would be seen as a SCSI device or > not. I thought it might mean the device would communicate via SMB > (Samba) allowing me to use smbmount. With the hotplug feature of Linux > the T5 might even get automounted. USB flash drives are treated as SCSI devices, so if you want similar treatment, that would mean treating the PalmOS device as a pseudo SCSI device. There is no "device driver" for that, so that isn't supported. Furthermore, this behaviour would actually require that you get an upgrade from PalmSource which would program the T5 to pretend it was a USB file storage device; the Linux support for flash drives comes as a result of two things: - Flash devices supporting the USB 'standard' for file storage, and - Linux having a driver supporting accessing "file storage" devices as virtual SCSI devices. Linux has all the support it needs for USB file storage; it's the Palm device that needs to be "fixed." > As for the other way to communicate with the device, I know of > gnome-pilot (and pilot-link?) which were installed by default as part of > FC3. I removed them since I had no need of them. Looks like I will have > to re-install them. I also discovered jpilot during my research so I > will check that out as well. All of the "desktop applications" use pilot-link to connect to PalmOS devices, so the _important_ details lie in pilot-link. To pursue the other apps for "alternatives" is to pursue red herrings. If some capability isn't supported by pilot-link, then it's simply not supported, and there is no point in looking elsewhere, as all you'll do is waste time on non-solutions. -- wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('cbbrowne','gmail.com'). http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/emacs.html Howe's Law: Everyone has a scheme that will not work. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 23:32:33 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220191024.GA10200-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <41C8B291.4020505@truxtar.com> William O'Higgins wrote: > I have often wanted to see the console output of programs launched from > X, but the only way that I know is to shut down X and look at the > underlying console, which obviously wrecks the arrangement of programs, > windows and associated states that I have built up on X over the hours, > days or weeks that they X server has been running. > > Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying > console? How about this: Start X manually with 'startx' or 'xinit' and redirect the output to a file: $ startx > ~/x.log 2>&1 That'll redirect both the standard and error output to the file. It would be the same as switching to the virtual terminal that you started X from. Your success will also depend on whether or not whatever method you use to launch the programs redirects the standard and/or error output to /dev/null (as I believe some do). I hope this helps. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 07:41:15 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:41:15 -0500 Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <41C8B291.4020505-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <41C8B291.4020505@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20041222074115.GA16773@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 06:32:33PM -0500, Anton Markov wrote: >William O'Higgins wrote: >>I have often wanted to see the console output of programs launched from >>X, but the only way that I know is to shut down X and look at the >>underlying console, which obviously wrecks the arrangement of programs, >>windows and associated states that I have built up on X over the hours, >>days or weeks that they X server has been running. >> >>Is there a way that I can open up a window to "tail -f" the underlying >>console? > >How about this: > >Start X manually with 'startx' or 'xinit' and redirect the output to a file: > >$ startx > ~/x.log 2>&1 > >That'll redirect both the standard and error output to the file. It >would be the same as switching to the virtual terminal that you started >X from. Okay, the above finally worked. The xterm -C method didn't work for me - I got a terminal, but nothing ever got written to it. I had aliased startx as "x", so now I alias "startx > ~/x.log 2>&1" and "x" and that works neatly. Because I want to monitor stuff on an ongoing basis I put together an Eterm theme that puts a borderless, translucent, no-input-allowed terminal on the screen that executes "tail -f ~/x.log". Now that works wonderfully. When I watch a DVD with Ogle launched via a key binding I get the nag messages in that little window - just what I wanted. Thanks to all who chimed in with your advice. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 14:01:54 2004 From: andzy-bYF1QM81rroS+FvcfC7Uqw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Malcolmson) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:01:54 -0500 Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> References: <20041221123941.GB5110@playgnd.bangthedrum.net> <20041221165743.2103.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com> <20041221173403.GB24942@sophocles> Message-ID: <1103724114.2308.211321032@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:34:03 -0500, "Seneca" said: > On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:57:43AM -0800, Emil Janev wrote: > > The laptop I got ( HP ze4400 ) has a integrated Broadcom PCI wireless > > card, that I think I cannot get working with "ndiswrapper". > > > > Probably I am bying a wireless router today, and give it another try. > > If it fails ( or if I fail :) to get it working, I would probably like > > to buy a PCMCIA one, probably D-Link, or eventualy Lynksys. > > Look up the chipset(s) of the card that you are considering. I > recommend staying away from the ACX100s, such as the D-Link DWL-650+, > but PrismII and Orinoco are good ones. PrismII (802.11b) is no longer sold retail though I recently bought a cheap USB adapter, a D-Link DWL-122 ($30 in the burbs or $60 at BusinessDepot) that loads the prism2_usb module. The confusing thing about this is you can't configure it with iwconfig - you need linux_wlan_ng config utilities. Orinoco is tricky to buy because the original company was bought and the new owner put the Orinoco name on completely different chips. >I use an Enterasys RoamAbout that > I bought at the UTSC bookstore, more expensive than the ACXs that they > had in stock, but uses the orinoco drivers and has a port for an > external antenna. Be careful when choosing your card, some > manufacturers change the chipset without changing the model number. > > Take a look at (sorry for the long lines) > , > > (long URL's? --> http://tinyurl.com) On the same site take a look at the section for the Atmel AT76C502A/AT76C503A which is used in lots of USB devices. You'll find a link to the driver home page at berlio.de with a long list of devices using this chipset. ------------------- Andrew Malcolmson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 13:21:03 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:21:03 +0200 (IST) Subject: Viewing the console from X In-Reply-To: <20041220233341.W87581-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <20041220191024.GA10200@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220191317.GE8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041220202931.GA10654@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041220232432.X87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> <20041220233341.W87581@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > > Ok, so I'm following up to myself :) > >> Pass console=/dev/tty1 to the kernel at boot time. The messages should >> all then go to /dev/tty1 regardless of which virtual console is up. I >> seem to recall I did do this years ago. Make sure a getty is running on >> /dev/tty1 :) > > As yes you did want it under X. You can see the serial console of other > boxes under X using Minicom (or the console for the same box with a serial > cable looped back I guess)[1]. > > xterm -C seemed to work for me. Thanks to Harry Spencer for reminding of > this switch to xterm. > > [1] Yes, I'm not being serious. Yes, you are being serious. That's how one tests the setup ... Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 21 10:30:34 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:30:34 +0200 (IST) Subject: X server problems In-Reply-To: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> References: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> Message-ID: This may help: become root and run XFree86 -configure The output of that is a template configuration that will likely work after minor tweaking. It also generates errors in the usual syntax. I foud it very helpful to generate my own config (and not only on Linux - it works on netbsd, freebsd ... ) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 06:06:36 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:06:36 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <41C1F975.8050503-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Well, I was in the College-Spadina computer annex today, and I found the place where I had seen the VIA boards advertised. It is Filtech, on College just south of Spadina. Here's their web address: http://www.filtechcomputer.com/product/default.asp I brought home the price list. They don't have much in stock, but they can get things in within a couple of business days (or so they say, but they seem quite well-favoured and keen to serve). Here is the price list: EPIA (Fanless) VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU AGP VGA w/ TV out onboard sound Ethernet card 1 PCI, 2 Dimm, 2 USB, 2 ATA100IDE $149 EPIA ME6000 (Fanless) VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM AC97 Audio Ethernet Card S-Video & RCA TV-out 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE 1 FDD $209 EPIA M9000 (Retail) VIA C3 933 Mhz CPU AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM AC97 Audio Ethernet Card S-Video & RCA TV-out 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE 1 FDD $229 EPIA M10000 (Retail) VIA C3 1 Ghz CPU AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM AC97 Audio Ethernet Card S-Video & RCA TV-out 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE 1 FDD $209 V10000A (Bulk) VIA C3 1Ghz CPU onboard VGA onboard Sound Ethernet 2 Dimm, 1 PCI, 2 USB, 2 ATA100 IDE, 1 FDD $139 I am in no way affiliated with these folks, cannot vouch for these quotes except to say that they photocopied this sheet for me, and said that they could order this stuff in. Take from this what you will. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 01:42:31 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:42:31 -0500 Subject: Connection Refused to local user (Was: Re:X server problems) In-Reply-To: <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> References: <41C6654F.6006.351648@localhost> <41C674FC.188.C4943@localhost> <41C740BB.10392.118D7E@localhost> Message-ID: Hi. Assuming you are using the XFree86 (not X.org) software, you should be able to start the X server, have it parse the config file, and exit without starting the desktop environment, window manager, and all that other stuff. Just type "X -probeonly" at a shell prompt. Also, XFree86 dumps a log of all the X server startup messages in /var/log/XFree86.#.log, where # is the display number (ie. /var/log/XFree86.0.log for display 0:0). On distros that use X.org, it's /var/log/Xorg.#.log. This may give you an indication as to why it was failing. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 20:32:07 2004 From: alain-Cli3VEtMc4ustjuMBgEEQA at public.gmane.org (Alain Maisonneuve) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:32:07 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041222060636.GA16396-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1103747528.12697.50.camel@galaxy> I deal with ShopRBC.com and found this via boards: http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=4243&cid=335 http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=5898&cid=335 http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=5899&cid=335 http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=5900&cid=335 This is a great site, and they will price match any product. cheers, Alain On Wed, 2004-12-22 at 01:06 -0500, William O'Higgins wrote: > Well, I was in the College-Spadina computer annex today, and I found the > place where I had seen the VIA boards advertised. It is Filtech, on > College just south of Spadina. Here's their web address: > > http://www.filtechcomputer.com/product/default.asp > > I brought home the price list. They don't have much in stock, but they > can get things in within a couple of business days (or so they say, but > they seem quite well-favoured and keen to serve). Here is the price > list: > > EPIA (Fanless) > VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU > AGP VGA w/ TV out > onboard sound > Ethernet card > 1 PCI, 2 Dimm, 2 USB, 2 ATA100IDE > $149 > > EPIA ME6000 (Fanless) > VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU > AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM > AC97 Audio > Ethernet Card > S-Video & RCA TV-out > 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE > 1 FDD > $209 > > EPIA M9000 (Retail) > VIA C3 933 Mhz CPU > AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM > AC97 Audio > Ethernet Card > S-Video & RCA TV-out > 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE > 1 FDD > $229 > > EPIA M10000 (Retail) > VIA C3 1 Ghz CPU > AGP VGA up to 64Mb RAM > AC97 Audio > Ethernet Card > S-Video & RCA TV-out > 1 PCI, 1 Dimm, 2 Firewire, 4 USB2, 2 ATA133 IDE > 1 FDD > $209 > > V10000A (Bulk) > VIA C3 1Ghz CPU > onboard VGA > onboard Sound > Ethernet > 2 Dimm, 1 PCI, 2 USB, 2 ATA100 IDE, 1 FDD > $139 > > I am in no way affiliated with these folks, cannot vouch for these > quotes except to say that they photocopied this sheet for me, and said > that they could order this stuff in. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 19:01:36 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:01:36 -0500 Subject: I think I have an SELinux problem in FC3 (still trying to save my install) Message-ID: <41C9C490.9020305@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am desperately trying to save my install of Fedora Core 3 and I think I have narrowed the problem down to something to do with SELinux. Unfortunately, I know very little about SELinux so it doesn't help me much. It seems now that installing pretty much anything new causes the new package to fail with permission errors. For example: Dec 22 13:59:02 akane kernel: audit(1103741942.932:0): avc: denied { read } for pid=10649 exe=/usr/bin/postgres name=PG_VERSION dev=hda5 ino=656478 scontext=root:system_r:postgresql_t tcontext=root:object_r:var_lib_t tclass=file Dec 22 13:59:03 akane postgresql: Starting postgresql service: failed I was getting this with a lot of other packages as well after trying to install some updates over redhat's rhn up2date agent and now even when I update through freshrpms.net's apt-get. The only reason I was able to save my system as much as I have is that it initially died after an up2date update and I still had the prior versions in my apt-get cache. Can anyone shed some light on this? My system if pretty crippled at this point and I am nervous to try anything. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 03:08:22 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:08:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: FC3 and up2date warning Message-ID: <2603.64.229.198.100.1103684902.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> I don't know if it is just my system but it looks like my psql problems I posted about recently were a result of updating through the redhat up2date app. Well, today I ran some more updates and thuroughly hosed my laptop. I still have shell access but psql is dead again and X gets to the high-res black screen and then sits forever flipping the hourglass. I am not amused. I am downloading FC2 which I am going to reinstall shortly. If in the meantime anyone has an idea what might have gone wrong or what I could do about it I would very much appreciate. Also, the command 'up2date --list-rollbacks' (or whatever) prints garbage... it crashes, too. Bloody hell... It's Microsoft all over again. Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 17:11:19 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:11:19 -0500 Subject: Hoping to learn Tcl/Tk Message-ID: <1103735479.5564.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Can anyone give me some book suggestions and where to get them. I'm hoping to learn about about Tcl/Tk. I've been learning Linux for a couple of years now and have some small knowledge of Perl. (The more I learn of Perl, the more I learn how much more there is to learn!) -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 14:18:39 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:18:39 -0500 Subject: OT: Source for firewire enclosures w/HD In-Reply-To: References: <41BE6DD7.4040107@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41C9823F.3040705@ksmultimedia.com> Alex Beamish wrote: >On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:36:39 -0500, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >>If you aren't set on firewire, I have a nice USB2 external box with >>swappable carriers (I also have a couple 80GB drives) that you are >>welcome to borrow for the day (or two). >> >> > >It's not my limitation, that's Metal Works -- they're offering to >record directly onto a Firewire external HD instead of onto their >system. I'm guessing that USB is too slow, although I see from some of >the older messages USB 2.0 is fine. Apart from that I'd love to take >you up on your offer. > >However, I may talk to them and see if they can make use of a USB >connection instead .. so let me amend my answer to 'maybe' ;) and I'll >call the guy up and see what I can see. > >And I'll be happy to provide you with a copy of the finished product >and/or seats to our annual show in April if you'd like. All we'd need >to do would be to dump the data onto backup CDs or DVDs afterwards. > >Alex > > I have a USB 2.0 enclosure you can borrow as well if you need it. I think I may also have a Firewire enclosure. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 21:30:21 2004 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:30:21 -0500 Subject: Hoping to learn Tcl/Tk In-Reply-To: <1103735479.5564.7.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1103735479.5564.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <20041222214400.4F574EB831@outbox.allstream.net> Check out the online iCanProgram course at: http://www.icanprogram.com/09tk/main.html bob On December 22, 2004 12:11 pm, you wrote: > Can anyone give me some book suggestions and where to get them. > I'm hoping to learn about about Tcl/Tk. > I've been learning Linux for a couple of years now and have some small > knowledge of Perl. (The more I learn of Perl, the more I learn how much > more there is to learn!) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 23:16:23 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:16:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: I think I have an SELinux problem in FC3 (still trying to save my install) In-Reply-To: <41C9C490.9020305-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41C9C490.9020305@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20041222231358.P11450@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > Can anyone shed some light on this? My system if pretty crippled at this > point and I am nervous to try anything. Boot the system with selinux=0 as a boottime parameter to rule out (or confirm) SELinux as the cause of the problem. This link also describes disabling SELinux on a running system (doesn't this somewhat defeat the purpose). Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 22 23:18:46 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:18:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: I think I have an SELinux problem in FC3 (still trying to save my install) In-Reply-To: <20041222231358.P11450-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <41C9C490.9020305@alteeve.com> <20041222231358.P11450@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20041222231830.M11450@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Can anyone shed some light on this? My system if pretty crippled at this >> point and I am nervous to try anything. > > Boot the system with selinux=0 as a boottime parameter to rule out (or > confirm) SELinux as the cause of the problem. > > This link also describes disabling SELinux on a running system (doesn't this > somewhat defeat the purpose). This link: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129240 :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 03:30:58 2004 From: greenj-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Jimmy Green) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:30:58 -0500 Subject: Hoping to learn Tcl/Tk References: <1103735479.5564.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <41CA3BF2.9070303@primus.ca> I thought I would relay my experience with this book: Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk PRENTICE HALL 79.95 UofT Bookstore Since there seem to be many books on the subject,,, I had been looking for the original book by the author of Tcl/TK John Ousterhout(Tcl and the Tk Toolkit?) , then i picked up this... Its a contemporary (8.4) treatment of the language and tools... Dry reading, Pretty good contents and index, layout is odd but workable, not too much handholding, a well explained intro/cookbook but skimpy on the why... Very Broad coverage of the things you can do with Tcl/Tk Authors are some of the hard-core insiders in Tcl/Tk realm If im not mistaken, this may be the definitive text at the moment... Alan Cohen wrote: > Can anyone give me some book suggestions and where to get them. > I'm hoping to learn about about Tcl/Tk. > I've been learning Linux for a couple of years now and have some small > knowledge of Perl. (The more I learn of Perl, the more I learn how much > more there is to learn!) > -- to bring heed and grate to halt try for (ms = -1 ; timetravel(ms) ; ms++) { ; } if your keyboard is _really_ slow, you should get to the second iteration ... PS, if X implements better method, endless echo "thanks" ; timetravel 0 Jimmy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 12:52:16 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Dec 2004 07:52:16 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041222060636.GA16396-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: William O'Higgins writes: > Well, I was in the College-Spadina computer annex today, and I found the > place where I had seen the VIA boards advertised. It is Filtech, on > College just south of Spadina. Here's their web address: > > http://www.filtechcomputer.com/product/default.asp > > I brought home the price list. They don't have much in stock, but they > can get things in within a couple of business days (or so they say, but > they seem quite well-favoured and keen to serve). Here is the price > list: > > EPIA (Fanless) > VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU > AGP VGA w/ TV out > onboard sound > Ethernet card > 1 PCI, 2 Dimm, 2 USB, 2 ATA100IDE > $149 Unless you have mimimal requirements, don't get this one. There's no XFree86 DRI/DRM support nor MPEG2 acceleration so 3D graphics and video streaming perform badly. > V10000A (Bulk) > VIA C3 1Ghz CPU > onboard VGA > onboard Sound > Ethernet > 2 Dimm, 1 PCI, 2 USB, 2 ATA100 IDE, 1 FDD > $139 Same here I think, although it will be slightly better with the faster CPU. The M series boards don't have these limitations. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 12:56:19 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Dec 2004 07:56:19 -0500 Subject: FC3 and up2date warning In-Reply-To: <2603.64.229.198.100.1103684902.squirrel-GqYTezIbEURL1Y7jC+g/Zg@public.gmane.org> References: <2603.64.229.198.100.1103684902.squirrel@mail.alteeve.com> Message-ID: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org writes: > I don't know if it is just my system but it looks like my psql problems I > posted about recently were a result of updating through the redhat up2date > app. Well, today I ran some more updates and thuroughly hosed my laptop. I > still have shell access but psql is dead again and X gets to the high-res > black screen and then sits forever flipping the hourglass. > > I am not amused. I am downloading FC2 which I am going to reinstall > shortly. If in the meantime anyone has an idea what might have gone wrong > or what I could do about it I would very much appreciate. Also, the > command 'up2date --list-rollbacks' (or whatever) prints garbage... it > crashes, too. > > Bloody hell... It's Microsoft all over again. Except that you have a choice. Try Debian (or Ubuntu if you like GNOME). Debian will take a little longer to setup but once configured, you won't have these type of problems. Ubuntu is a breeze to install. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 14:15:11 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:15:11 -0500 Subject: Hoping to learn Tcl/Tk In-Reply-To: <1103735479.5564.7.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1103735479.5564.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: The SAMS book "Learn Tcl/TK in 24 Hours" was useful when I was learning TCL/TK. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 14:20:05 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:20:05 -0500 Subject: Hauppauge TV Tuner card @ Staples Message-ID: Hi all. I was in Staples yesterday, and noticed that they had the Hauppauge WinTV GO PCI TV tuner card on clearance for $79.99 ($20 off the regular price). I had purchased this card awhile back, and it's a great card for the money. It not only does TV, but also FM radio. And best of all, the card works flawlessly under Linux. I'm not sure if this clearance was specific to one Staples or all, but if you're interested in getting TV on your Linux box, it's a cheap way to do it. The Staples I saw it at is at Morningside Ave. @ Sheppard Ave. Happy Holidays! pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 14:26:16 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:26:16 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20041223142616.GA1693@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:52:16AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > William O'Higgins writes: > > EPIA (Fanless) > > VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU > > AGP VGA w/ TV out > > onboard sound > > Ethernet card > > 1 PCI, 2 Dimm, 2 USB, 2 ATA100IDE > > $149 > > Unless you have mimimal requirements, don't get this one. There's no > XFree86 DRI/DRM support nor MPEG2 acceleration so 3D graphics and > video streaming perform badly. > > > V10000A (Bulk) > > VIA C3 1Ghz CPU > > onboard VGA > > onboard Sound > > Ethernet > > 2 Dimm, 1 PCI, 2 USB, 2 ATA100 IDE, 1 FDD > > $139 > > Same here I think, although it will be slightly better with the faster > CPU. > > The M series boards don't have these limitations. Hmm, from what I've read, original EPIA has PLE133 chipset and EPIA-M has CLE266 chipset which does hardware MPEG-2 decoding. Though, I don't know whether it has to be "turned on" to kick in. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 14:49:52 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:49:52 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> Apart from Paul Mora's post on the Hauppauge WinTV GO PCI TV tuner card, are there any peripherals out there that let me replace my digital cable box or satellite receiver with a Linux box? It's my understanding that current Linux PVRs the WinTV only do basic cable. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 15:09:41 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:09:41 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <41CADFB5.4030909@ksmultimedia.com> Tim Writer wrote: >William O'Higgins writes: > > > >>Well, I was in the College-Spadina computer annex today, and I found the >>place where I had seen the VIA boards advertised. It is Filtech, on >>College just south of Spadina. Here's their web address: >> >>http://www.filtechcomputer.com/product/default.asp >> >>I brought home the price list. They don't have much in stock, but they >>can get things in within a couple of business days (or so they say, but >>they seem quite well-favoured and keen to serve). Here is the price >>list: >> >> >> I am looking to get one for the car, anyone know how this would work in terms of the power supply? I am planning on getting a touch 8" screen and booting off a 2.5" HD and hooking up an external USB2 drive with MP3s and movies. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 16:26:41 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:26:41 -0500 Subject: Hauppauge TV Tuner card @ Staples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041223162641.GG8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Paul Mora wrote: > I was in Staples yesterday, and noticed that they had the Hauppauge > WinTV GO PCI TV tuner card on clearance for $79.99 ($20 off the > regular price). > > I had purchased this card awhile back, and it's a great card for the > money. It not only does TV, but also FM radio. And best of all, the > card works flawlessly under Linux. > > I'm not sure if this clearance was specific to one Staples or all, but > if you're interested in getting TV on your Linux box, it's a cheap way > to do it. The Staples I saw it at is at Morningside Ave. @ Sheppard > Ave. Hmm, a PVR350 on sale would be way more interesting. A PVR250 isn't bad either of course, but the 350 really seems like the thing to have. Overall hauppauge does seem to get linux support for most of their hardware. They seem good at releasing enough of the specs for it to happen at least. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 16:37:14 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Dec 2004 11:37:14 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041223142616.GA1693-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20041223142616.GA1693@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:52:16AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > > William O'Higgins writes: > > > EPIA (Fanless) > > > VIA C3 600 Mhz CPU > > > AGP VGA w/ TV out > > > onboard sound > > > Ethernet card > > > 1 PCI, 2 Dimm, 2 USB, 2 ATA100IDE > > > $149 > > > > Unless you have mimimal requirements, don't get this one. There's no > > XFree86 DRI/DRM support nor MPEG2 acceleration so 3D graphics and > > video streaming perform badly. > > > > > V10000A (Bulk) > > > VIA C3 1Ghz CPU > > > onboard VGA > > > onboard Sound > > > Ethernet > > > 2 Dimm, 1 PCI, 2 USB, 2 ATA100 IDE, 1 FDD > > > $139 > > > > Same here I think, although it will be slightly better with the faster > > CPU. > > > > The M series boards don't have these limitations. > > Hmm, from what I've read, original EPIA has PLE133 chipset and EPIA-M > has CLE266 chipset which does hardware MPEG-2 decoding. Though, I don't > know whether it has to be "turned on" to kick in. It has to be turned on. VIA has a driver but I think it's binary only. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 16:46:20 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Dec 2004 11:46:20 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <41CADB10.6070608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> Message-ID: Paul DiRezze writes: > Apart from Paul Mora's post on the Hauppauge WinTV GO PCI TV tuner card, are > there any peripherals out there that let me replace my digital cable box or > satellite receiver with a Linux box? It's my understanding that current > Linux PVRs the WinTV only do basic cable. AFAIK, you can't replace your satellite receiver or digital cable box in North America yet. However, you can work with it. You can use a WinTV card to bring the TV signal into your Linux box from the receiver and use an IR blaster to control the receiver (i.e. to change channels) from within Linux. This is supported by MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org). One thing about the WinTV GO card, it's a plain old TV tuner, fine for watching live TV but not great for recording or streaming across a network. If you want to build a full Linux PVR, I'd recommend the Hauppauge WinTV PVR 250 or 350 because they have hardware MPEG-2 encoding. With these cards, you can encode live TV to MPEG-2 in real time with no load on your CPU. The 350 has an FM Tuner as well as TV out. For a while, the 250 was on sale at Future Shop and Best Buy for around $150. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 16:58:32 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:58:32 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <41CADB10.6070608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041223165832.GH8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:49:52AM -0500, Paul DiRezze wrote: > Apart from Paul Mora's post on the Hauppauge WinTV GO PCI TV tuner card, > are there any peripherals out there that let me replace my digital cable > box or satellite receiver with a Linux box? It's my understanding that > current Linux PVRs the WinTV only do basic cable. The day those systems start using open standards for their transmission it might happen. In europe where almost all digital satelite is DVB-S or similar, it is fairly easy. They have PCI cards that connect to the satelite dish and can tune to the appropriate channels and they can decode DVB signals (which are mpeg2 streams) and channel guide data and all that. In north america on the other hand we have a lot of digital cable using DigiCipher II encryption, as does starchoice (and 4Dtv systems in the US). Bell and EChostar use nagravision I believe for encruption, and DirecTV uses their own encryption. I think they all use DVB or a variation of DVB for the encoding, but each encryption system makes receiving it hard. I have read messages of people claiming to be receiving Bell Expressvue streams on a DVB card and somehow decoding them in software (who knows what software) to record the shows to hard disk. In europe there are DVB cards with a CAM (Common Access Method) slot where a standard decoder card can be plugged in (provided by your satelite service provider) to deal with decoding the channels you pay for making things much simpler. We on the other hand have to use the equipment provided to us as part of the service and hence get little choice in how to use it. Anything you can receive off the air is easy, as is basic cable (neither are encrypted or have any kind of system to control who can watch it). Once encryption and such get involved to control who can watch the shows, it becomes nearly imposible to get it to your computer. If there was a connection on the digital receiver box that could send firewire or dvi signals to the computer and let the computer send channel change commands, we would be much better off, but I don't even think they want to let you record shows. The Comapnies making the shows and stations airing them want you to watch commercials, and watch on their schedule, so you are stuck with it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 16:59:35 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:59:35 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:46:20AM -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > AFAIK, you can't replace your satellite receiver or digital cable box in > North America yet. However, you can work with it. You can use a WinTV card > to bring the TV signal into your Linux box from the receiver and use an IR > blaster to control the receiver (i.e. to change channels) from within Linux. > This is supported by MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org). > > One thing about the WinTV GO card, it's a plain old TV tuner, fine for > watching live TV but not great for recording or streaming across a network. > If you want to build a full Linux PVR, I'd recommend the Hauppauge WinTV PVR > 250 or 350 because they have hardware MPEG-2 encoding. With these cards, you > can encode live TV to MPEG-2 in real time with no load on your CPU. The 350 > has an FM Tuner as well as TV out. For a while, the 250 was on sale at > Future Shop and Best Buy for around $150. The 350 has hardware mpeg2 encoding and decoding. The 250 has hardware mpeg2 decoding only. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 17:34:43 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <41CADFB5.4030909-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <41CADFB5.4030909@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <20041223173443.GA1882@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 10:09:41AM -0500, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Tim Writer wrote: > > >William O'Higgins writes: > > > > > > > >>Well, I was in the College-Spadina computer annex today, and I found the > >>place where I had seen the VIA boards advertised. It is Filtech, on > >>College just south of Spadina. Here's their web address: > >> > >>http://www.filtechcomputer.com/product/default.asp > >> > >>I brought home the price list. They don't have much in stock, but they > >>can get things in within a couple of business days (or so they say, but > >>they seem quite well-favoured and keen to serve). Here is the price > >>list: > I am looking to get one for the car, anyone know how this would work > in terms of the power supply? I am planning on getting a touch 8" > screen and booting off a 2.5" HD and hooking up an external USB2 drive > with MP3s and movies. >From pictures, those small mini-ITX case seems to be powered by external 12V block AC adapter (60W). The case has 12V-to-ATX conversion circuit inside. Probably, you could just plug into car. As for booting, I'm planning to boot from USB key drive. This is the main requirement for my Linux thin-client (which started this whole thing). In fact, I need the case to be decent size, not too big but not too small. Why not get a portable DVD players? :-) They are cheaper than building yourself. Just insert DVD, and press "play". -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 18:06:32 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:06:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23 Dec 2004, Tim Writer wrote: > Unless you have mimimal requirements, don't get this one. There's no XFree86 > DRI/DRM support nor MPEG2 acceleration so 3D graphics and video streaming > perform badly. Believe it or not, many people with rather more than "minimal requirements" don't do video streaming or dynamic 3D graphics. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 18:17:50 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041223173443.GA1882-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041223173443.GA1882@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, William Park wrote: > > I am looking to get one for the car, anyone know how this would work > > in terms of the power supply? > > From pictures, those small mini-ITX case seems to be powered by external > 12V block AC adapter (60W). The case has 12V-to-ATX conversion circuit > inside. Probably, you could just plug into car. Urk. No. *Bad* idea. Car power has very poor voltage regulation (can be quite considerably above 12V at times), and is full of very nasty voltage spikes. A normal computer power supply is not built to handle this, and its life is likely to be short (perhaps very short). You need, at least, some serious filtering between the car and the computer. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 19:25:51 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:25:51 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: <20041223173443.GA1882-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041216180449.GA1675@node1.opengeometry.net> <41C1F975.8050503@rogers.com> <20041222060636.GA16396@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <41CADFB5.4030909@ksmultimedia.com> <20041223173443.GA1882@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <41CB1BBF.9080506@ksmultimedia.com> >>I am looking to get one for the car, anyone know how this would work >>in terms of the power supply? I am planning on getting a touch 8" >>screen and booting off a 2.5" HD and hooking up an external USB2 drive >>with MP3s and movies. >> >> > >>From pictures, those small mini-ITX case seems to be powered by external >12V block AC adapter (60W). The case has 12V-to-ATX conversion circuit >inside. Probably, you could just plug into car. > >As for booting, I'm planning to boot from USB key drive. This is the >main requirement for my Linux thin-client (which started this whole >thing). In fact, I need the case to be decent size, not too big but not >too small. > >Why not get a portable DVD players? :-) They are cheaper than building >yourself. Just insert DVD, and press "play". > > > True, but you cant use GPS, listen to MP3s, check email, or any of the other things you can do on a computer when you should be concentrating on driving. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 19:43:56 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:43:56 -0500 Subject: Internet Connections and Telephones Message-ID: <20041223144356.03403f2d.hgibson@eol.ca> I connect to the internet through my telephone and through Echo Online. Recently, their login has required PAP authentication. This was a bit of a pain, since I was using XISP to login. I really like Xisp, since it stores all my internet connection data in a file local to my directory, and it encrypts my internet password. I set my pppd to SetUID so that I did not need to log in as root to run it. I can continue to log into the internet using kppp, and I have set up command line script that works too. Both of these require a root password. Also, both of these use a secrets file that shows my internet password in plain text. The file is readable by root only, unless the unauthorized person has a screw driver and access to the computer. Is there a tool out there that does ppp/PAP/CHAP logins and uses local, encrypted files to store information? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howardg-PadmjKOQAFn3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 19:58:45 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:58:45 -0500 Subject: Internet Connections and Telephones In-Reply-To: <20041223144356.03403f2d.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041223144356.03403f2d.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20041223195845.GA20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 02:43:56PM -0500, Howard Gibson wrote: > I connect to the internet through my telephone and through Echo Online. Recently, their login has required PAP authentication. This was a bit of a pain, since I was using XISP to login. > > I really like Xisp, since it stores all my internet connection data in a file local to my directory, and it encrypts my internet password. I set my pppd to SetUID so that I did not need to log in as root to run it. > > I can continue to log into the internet using kppp, and I have set up command line script that works too. Both of these require a root password. Also, both of these use a secrets file that shows my internet password in plain text. The file is readable by root only, unless the unauthorized person has a screw driver and access to the computer. > > Is there a tool out there that does ppp/PAP/CHAP logins and uses local, encrypted files to store information? > If your application can decrypt it, so can anyone else that gets a hold of the file. Hence encrypting it doesn't mean anything useful. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 20:10:48 2004 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:10:48 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <20041223165935.GI8632-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:59:35AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > The 350 has hardware mpeg2 encoding and decoding. The 250 has hardware > mpeg2 decoding only. ^^^^^^^^ encoding -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 20:28:29 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:28:29 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <20041223201048.GC9585-Aco4KUUxZ1MCzWx7n4ubxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> Message-ID: <20041223202829.GB20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 03:10:48PM -0500, Rick Delaney wrote: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:59:35AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > > The 350 has hardware mpeg2 encoding and decoding. The 250 has hardware > > mpeg2 decoding only. > ^^^^^^^^ > encoding Hmm, I must have misunderstood something in the past. You are right. Hmm, so taht would make it great as additional recording tuners for a PVR box, with a 350 doing the playback (and recording too of course). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 20:45:57 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:45:57 -0500 Subject: Stuent project? Message-ID: <41CB2E85.30905@ksmultimedia.com> A while ago someone posted about college students looking for programming work? Anyone still have that posting archived? Tia, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 21:13:52 2004 From: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:13:52 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <20041223202829.GB20742-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> <20041223202829.GB20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:28:29 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Hmm, so that would make it great as additional recording tuners for a > PVR box, with a 350 doing the playback (and recording too of course). A few of my friends have built MythTV PVR boxes with both a 250 and a 350 in the box. This allows you to tape two different shows at the same time, and watch something you've already taped. Plus, both the 250 and 350 come with a remote control that is supported under Linux and MythTV. pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 23 23:07:47 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 23 Dec 2004 18:07:47 -0500 Subject: VIA EPIA mini-ITX motherboard + case? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Henry Spencer writes: > On 23 Dec 2004, Tim Writer wrote: > > Unless you have mimimal requirements, don't get this one. There's no XFree86 > > DRI/DRM support nor MPEG2 acceleration so 3D graphics and video streaming > > perform badly. > > Believe it or not, many people with rather more than "minimal requirements" > don't do video streaming or dynamic 3D graphics. Yep, sorry I phrased it badly. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ckoitz-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 01:27:24 2004 From: ckoitz-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (carola koitz) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:27:24 -0500 Subject: :Student project? Message-ID: <41CB707C.5070502@istop.com> > A while ago someone posted about college students looking for > programming work? Anyone still have that posting archived? > > Tia, > > Sid Here is the original message: - Hi everyone, - Sorry that this is very off-topic, but I'm looking to help some - friends who are in co-op with me at college. Unfortunately the - IT-related placement offerings in my college have been severely - lacking, and most have been offered to several colleges and - universities simultaneously. I was lucky to get a job at A Big Car - Company (they were very impressed with my knowledge of GNU/Linux), but - most organizations would rather take a B- university student over an A - college student. They also lack the connections to tap into the hidden - job market. - What I'm looking for are leads to jobs/volunteer positions that - involve IT in some way. They know how to use (but not administrate) - GNU/Linux. They know how to hand-code HTML and CSS, and how to use - Dreamweaver and (ugh) Frontpage. Of course they are well-versed in - Microsoft Office. They know their way around SQL in Oracle and have - some experience with Microsoft Access as well. They also know - C/C++/C#. - Maybe you know a church that's looking to have a website built. As I - said, volunteer positions are just as eagerly sought. Maybe it's a - company that needs someone in shipping 9/10ths of the time but would - also like someone who can fix desktops when it's needed. We're running - out of time, and my friends would appreciate anything. - Many thanks, - Michael Newman The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 03:10:35 2004 From: ejanev2-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Emil Janev) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:10:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Question about wireless card for a linux laptop In-Reply-To: <41C869EA.1080003-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41C869EA.1080003@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041224031036.1150.qmail@web53909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The integrated PCI wireless card that is on my laptop - Broadcom - BCM4306 appeared to work with "ndiswrapper" project from Sourceforge. Good news for me :) Good news for people having similar wireless cards built in their laptops, and running Linux ( or maybe thinking to switch to ). Thanks for the feedback. Regards, Emil Janev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 24 19:44:21 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:44:21 -0500 Subject: Season's greetings and Thanks Message-ID: <41CC7195.1090904@rogers.com> Just wanted to pass along my best wishes to this community and say thanks for all the help and good discussion. You rock folks. paul -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 26 03:13:39 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:13:39 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <20041223202829.GB20742-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> <20041223202829.GB20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <41CE2C63.5070609@ksmultimedia.com> > >Hmm, I must have misunderstood something in the past. You are right. > >Hmm, so taht would make it great as additional recording tuners for a >PVR box, with a 350 doing the playback (and recording too of course). > >Lennart Sorensen >- > > How would I go about setting up a PVR using mythtv which can both record and play back on the TV? I have a server I can use, but I do not have a video card which I can use for video in/out. Do I need to have MPG encoding for both in and out? Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 27 16:31:35 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:31:35 -0500 Subject: postgres return values in one table but not in another Message-ID: <41D038E7.9000007@alteeve.com> Hi all, I need to do something that I am sure is possible but I can't think of the words to even properly search Google for an answer on... I need to keep to tables in synch. There are three fields (UUID [a serial number for a partition], the parent directory and the actual file name) that are common between the two tables. The first table (say table A) geta updated based on external information. Once it is updated, I need to remove entries in table B that no longer have a matching entry in table A and then look for entries in table A that do not have a matching entry yet in table B and add them. Lance and I talked about this on the way into work and here is what we hashed out (though the syntax is the question): - First I want to do a DELETE where ever an entry in table B has a given UUID (the partition serial number) without a matching parent directory and file name in table A. This purges stale info. - Next I want to say SELECT the parent directory and file name from table A where a matching entry does not exist in table B. Then I will do a 'while' loop to do the processing I need and write out the missing data. So I guess to put it simply, how can I do a join that returns the value from one table when a match doesn't exit? Thanks all! I hope everyone is having a relaxing holiday! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From andreilitvin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Dec 27 15:21:32 2004 From: andreilitvin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Andrei) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:21:32 +0000 Subject: postgres return values in one table but not in another In-Reply-To: <41D038E7.9000007-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41D038E7.9000007@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <41D0287C.90804@rogers.com> Hello, You may want to take a look at foreign key constraints in the SQL specification. To be exact, having something like "CREATE TABLE a (UUID int PRIMARY KEY)" and "CREATE TABLE b(data varchar(256), UUID REFERENCES a ON DELETE CASCADE)" allows data from b to be automatically deleted when a row in a is deleted (see "ON DELETE CASCADE" and similar foreign key options). If you want to select items that do not exist (using the same above definition of table a and b), you may use a left join and rely on the fact that if the right row does nto exist the value will be null: "SELECT t_b.UUID from b t_b LEFT JOIN a t_a ON t_b.UUID=t_a.UUID WHERE t_a.UUID is NULL". Other options would be using "NOT EXISTS": "SELECT t_b.UUID FROM b t_b WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT * FROM a t_a WHERE t_a.UUID=t_b.UUID" or you could use "NOT IN": "SELECT t_b.UUID FROM b t_b where t_b.UUID NOT IN (SELECT t_a.UUID FROM a t_a)". I hope this helps. If it does not, please let me know and I'll try to come up with different ideas, Regards, Andrei Litvin Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I need to do something that I am sure is possible but I can't think > of the words to even properly search Google for an answer on... > > I need to keep to tables in synch. There are three fields (UUID [a > serial number for a partition], the parent directory and the actual > file name) that are common between the two tables. > > The first table (say table A) geta updated based on external > information. Once it is updated, I need to remove entries in table B > that no longer have a matching entry in table A and then look for > entries in table A that do not have a matching entry yet in table B > and add them. > > Lance and I talked about this on the way into work and here is what > we hashed out (though the syntax is the question): > > - First I want to do a DELETE where ever an entry in table B has a > given UUID (the partition serial number) without a matching parent > directory and file name in table A. This purges stale info. > > - Next I want to say SELECT the parent directory and file name from > table A where a matching entry does not exist in table B. Then I will > do a 'while' loop to do the processing I need and write out the > missing data. > > So I guess to put it simply, how can I do a join that returns the > value from one table when a match doesn't exit? > > Thanks all! I hope everyone is having a relaxing holiday! > > Madison > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 10:47:09 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:47:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <17682.4756934822$1104230912@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 10:47:09 2004 From: drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (drew-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 05:47:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: (unknown) Message-ID: <49173.3981216841$1104231054@news.gmane.org> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 17:34:31 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 28 Dec 2004 12:34:31 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: <41CE2C63.5070609-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g@public.gmane.org> References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> <20041223202829.GB20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41CE2C63.5070609@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: Sidney Shapiro writes: > > > >Hmm, I must have misunderstood something in the past. You are right. > > > >Hmm, so taht would make it great as additional recording tuners for a > >PVR box, with a 350 doing the playback (and recording too of course). > > > >Lennart Sorensen > >- > > > > How would I go about setting up a PVR using mythtv which can both record and > play back on the TV? I have a server I can use, but I do not have a video > card which I can use for video in/out. There are many options but the easiest is to get yourself an Haupauge WinTV PVR 350 since it has TV in and out with MPEG2 hardware encode/decode. See the documentation at http://www.mythtv.org/ for a more or less complete recipe. > Do I need to have MPG encoding for > both in and out? No, but you will have much better performance and more flexibility in your choice of the other hardware components. Again, consult the MythTV documentation for hardware recommendations. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 18:35:31 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:35:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041228183532.57302.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Happy Christmas! My mc file is as following. I used m4 to create a sendmail.cf file. When I telnet localhost 25 and helo familywebhouse.com it says pleased to meet. mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org it says sender ok rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org it says receiver ok. data this is a test from linux to yahoo.com . it says ready for delivery. But I cannot receive it and I cannot receive any email in my linux box when I send an email from yahoo to my linux box. But I can send an email in my linux to another user at the same linux machine. Since I can telnet familywebhouse.com from outside to my linux, I think my linux name is resolved. I cannot understand why the sendmail cannot get it send and received. Seems my pop3 is running. I cannot find any clue of promail. I cheched my /home/, there is no such a file like .procmail. I can find something in /var/spool/mail/mqeueue, but nothing at /var/mail. It seems procmail did not do its work? Please give me a hand! Frank Peng. OSTYPE(linux) dnl define(confTO_CONNECT,1m) define(confTRY_NULL_MX_LIST,true) define(PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH,/usr/bin/procmail) FEATURE(smrsh,/usr/sbin/smrsh) dnl FEATURE(virtusertable,hash /etc/mail/virtusertable) dnl FEATURE(redirect) dnl FEATURE(always_add_domain) dnl FEATURE(use_cw_file) dnl FEATURE(local_procmail) dnl FEATURE(access_db) dnl FEATURE(blacklist_recipients) dnl FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains) dnl MAILER(smtp) dnl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From chrisjohn.clarke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 18:54:50 2004 From: chrisjohn.clarke-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Chris Clarke) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:54:50 -0500 Subject: Getting TV onto a Linux box In-Reply-To: References: <41CADB10.6070608@rogers.com> <20041223165935.GI8632@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20041223201048.GC9585@biff.bort.ca> <20041223202829.GB20742@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <41CE2C63.5070609@ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <46c25a7104122810545ce6d421@mail.gmail.com> On 28 Dec 2004 12:34:31 -0500, Tim Writer wrote: > Sidney Shapiro writes: > > > > > > >Hmm, I must have misunderstood something in the past. You are right. > > > > > >Hmm, so taht would make it great as additional recording tuners for a > > >PVR box, with a 350 doing the playback (and recording too of course). > > > > > >Lennart Sorensen > > >- > > > > > > > How would I go about setting up a PVR using mythtv which can both record and > > play back on the TV? I have a server I can use, but I do not have a video > > card which I can use for video in/out. > > There are many options but the easiest is to get yourself an > Haupauge WinTV PVR 350 since it has TV in and out with MPEG2 hardware > encode/decode. See the documentation at http://www.mythtv.org/ for a more or > less complete recipe. > > > Do I need to have MPG encoding for > > both in and out? > > No, but you will have much better performance and more flexibility in your > choice of the other hardware components. Again, consult the MythTV > documentation for hardware recommendations. > > -- > tim writer starnix inc. > 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Another great resource if you're going down the MythTV route is jarod wilson's guide at www.wilsonet.com and the mythtv mailing list is really helpful as well Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 19:55:00 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:55:00 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041228183532.57302.qmail-1xDPLYp1u36A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041228183532.57302.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041228195500.GA4654@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 10:35:31AM -0800, Frank Peng wrote: > > Happy Christmas! > > My mc file is as following. I used m4 to create a > sendmail.cf file. > When I telnet localhost 25 > and > helo familywebhouse.com > it says pleased to meet. > mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > it says sender ok > rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > it says receiver ok. > data > this is a test from linux to yahoo.com > . > it says ready for delivery. > > But I cannot receive it and I cannot receive any email > in my linux box when I send an email from yahoo to my > linux box. > > But I can send an email in my linux to another user at > the same linux machine. Let me get this straight... You are sending email from to , and you are asking why email doesn't arrive at ??? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 21:04:16 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:04:16 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041228183532.57302.qmail-1xDPLYp1u36A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041228183532.57302.qmail@web50904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412281604.16520.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 13:35, Frank Peng wrote: > When I telnet localhost 25 > and > helo familywebhouse.com > it says pleased to meet. > mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > it says sender ok > rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > it says receiver ok. > data > this is a test from linux to yahoo.com > . > it says ready for delivery. What does the command mailq tell you? What do your mail logs tell you? Your maillog will be /var/log/maillog or /var/log/mail.info or ??? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 21:18:08 2004 From: pdirezze-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul DiRezze) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:18:08 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility Message-ID: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on the eMachines web site. Here's the vendor's page: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1034849&Sku=E400-M6809&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANEM275 Here's the support page at eMachines http://www.emachines.com/support/support_info.html?prodName=M6809 and the user guides. http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/M2xxx_M6xxx_notebook_UG_Online_030804.pdf http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/Wireless_Supplement_AACR53700002K1_Online.pdf Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 Is this a bad idea? paul p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 21:45:12 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:45:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <200412281604.16520.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412281604.16520.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20041228214512.37065.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> the mailq command says /var/spool/mqueue (10 requests) -----Q-ID----- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient----------- iBSLLPo9010024* 42 Tue Dec 28 16:22 frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org iBSKmS3X009913 39 Tue Dec 28 15:50 frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org iBQMV03W005381* 1557 Sun Dec 26 17:46 MAILER-DAEMON (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org iBQMQ03W005373* 1558 Sun Dec 26 17:41 MAILER-DAEMON (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org iBQIRK3Z004946 39 Sun Dec 26 13:32 frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org iBQIRK3X004946 45 Sun Dec 26 13:30 root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org iBP1f03W000663 1561 Fri Dec 24 20:56 MAILER-DAEMON (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org iBOM218o000527 31 Fri Dec 24 17:03 frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org iBOLZgJX000383 47 Fri Dec 24 16:36 frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org iBOLxg8o000522 58 Fri Dec 24 17:00 frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Deferred: Connection timed out with mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Total requests: 10 grep procmail * says: It looks yahoo.com ignore familywehbouse.com's email. Since this name is resulved, why this happen? I do not know. Frank Peng. sendmail.cf:##### $Id: local_procmail.m4,v 8.21 1999/11/18 05:06:23 ca Exp $ ##### sendmail.cf:##### $Id: local_procmail.m4,v 8.21 1999/11/18 05:06:23 ca Exp $ ##### sendmail.cf:##### $Id: procmail.m4,v 8.22 2001/11/12 23:11:34 ca Exp $ ##### sendmail.cf:Mprocmail, P=/usr/bin/procmail, F=DFMSPhnu9, S=EnvFromSMTP/HdrFromSMTP, R=EnvToSMTP/HdrFromSMTP, sendmail.cf: A=procmail -Y -m $h $f $u sendmail.cf:Mlocal, P=/usr/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@qSPfhn9, S=EnvFromL/HdrFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, sendmail.cf: A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u --- Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 28 December 2004 13:35, Frank Peng wrote: > > > When I telnet localhost 25 > > and > > helo familywebhouse.com > > it says pleased to meet. > > mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > > it says sender ok > > rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > it says receiver ok. > > data > > this is a test from linux to yahoo.com > > . > > it says ready for delivery. > > What does the command mailq tell you? > > What do your mail logs tell you? Your maillog will > be /var/log/maillog > or /var/log/mail.info or ??? > > -- > Fraser Campbell > http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > Debian GNU/Linux > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 22:15:02 2004 From: teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA at public.gmane.org (Teddy Mills) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:15:02 -0500 Subject: Linux bandwidth and iptables Message-ID: <41D1DAE6.9060106@knet.ca> How can I measure the bandwidth my linux server is using? I am most concerned with overall traffic first, mysql data second, so I highlighted those. INPUT CHAIN: 49M 3325M ACCEPT all -- lo any localhost anywhere 22M 4449M ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ******************************************************************************************** Q1. Why is 4449M (TCP-established) on 22M packets larger than 3325M(all packets) on 49M packets? ******************************************************************************************** OUTPUT CHAIN: 49M 3325M ACCEPT all -- any lo anywhere localhost 22M 12G ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state NEW,ESTABLISHED ******************************************************************************************** Q2. Same here: Why is 12GB (TCP-established) on 22M packets larger than 3325M(all packets) on 49M packets? ******************************************************************************************** Q3. Can run this iptables -L -v every day for a week and compare the numbers? Will that be accurate? I have not read my Robert Zeigler books for a few months now (my bad) I am running iptables, and you can view the summary below. Q4. This is kind of a crude raw format. Is there something with finer granularity? Q5. And easy to setup? (this machine is mission critical) Im dropping all traffic, except on the ports listed below. [root at lr1 root]# iptables -L -v Chain INPUT (policy DROP 127K packets, 27M bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 49M 3325M ACCEPT all -- lo any localhost anywhere 22M 4449M ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED 786 45944 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh 159 7720 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:smtp 2 120 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:domain 4 665 ACCEPT udp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere udp dpt:domain 137 6612 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http 3 144 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:pop3 11 504 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:imap 36 2040 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:https 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:imaps 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2189 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2190 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2192 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2193 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2194 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2196 ==================================================================================================== 11998 576K ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:mysql ==================================================================================================== 62 3044 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:4000 857 93725 ACCEPT udp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere udp dpt:4000 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5800 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5801 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5802 9 432 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5900 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5901 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5902 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5903 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:x11 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:6385 197 9456 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:10000 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- eth0 any anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:11999 Chain FORWARD (policy DROP 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy DROP 4 packets, 777 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 49M 3325M ACCEPT all -- any lo anywhere localhost 22M 12G ACCEPT tcp -- any any anywhere anywhere state NEW,ESTABLISHED 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:smtp 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:domain 7524 555K ACCEPT udp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere udp dpt:domain 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:http 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:pop3 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:imap 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:https 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:imaps 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2189 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2190 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2192 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2193 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2194 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:2196 ==================================================================================================== 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:mysql ==================================================================================================== 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:4000 0 0 ACCEPT udp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere udp dpt:4000 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5800 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5801 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5802 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5900 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5901 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5902 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:5903 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:x11 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:6385 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:10000 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:11999 [root at lr1 root]# -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 22:04:57 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) =?iso-8859-1?q?Gagn=E9?=) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:04:57 -0500 Subject: TUXLooking for a few good writers Message-ID: <200412281704.57829.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, I hope and trust that you all had (or are still having) a great holiday. As some of you are already aware, I'm now the editor in chief of a new Linux magazine called TUX which is aimed at the desktop/graphical user with a focus on new users. The whole point of this email is to let everyone know that I'm looking for writers, both for the print edition of the magazine (which is a professional paying market) and the Web site (which for the time being, pays in T-shirts, magazines, or, if you write a few articles, a subscription to the CD edition of TUX). If you've ever thought, "Hey, I could write a for a Linux magazine", this is your chance. The best place to start it to check out the TUX Web site at http://www.tuxmagazine.com. Go to the bottom of the main page and you'll find a link titled "Write for Us". ?Start there and you'll get an understanding of what kind of material I am looking for, the audience, and the style. ?Then, head up to the Advertisers link up top. ?On that page you'll find the editorial calendar for the coming year. Take care out there. -- Marcel Gagn? Editor in Chief TUX : The First & Only Magazine for the New Linux User -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 23:15:48 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:15:48 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041228214512.37065.qmail-5zxKuoCaw2iA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041228214512.37065.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412281815.48217.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 16:45, Frank Peng wrote: > the mailq command says > > iBOLZgJX000383 47 Fri Dec 24 16:36 > frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > (Deferred: Connection timed out with > mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) > root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org [snip] > It looks yahoo.com ignore familywehbouse.com's email. > Since this name is resulved, why this happen? I do not > know. My guess would be that you are using Sympatico DSL Internet at home. Sympatico does not allow you to send email directly to the Internet, all email must go through their servers. Try this: telnet mx4.mail.yahoo.com 25 You will see that you cannot connect to Yahoo's mail exchangers ... if you aren't using Sympatico then there might be another reason (perhaps you have local firewall rules installed that block SMTP?). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 23:18:51 2004 From: jthiele-bux5bdj6uGJBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jon Thiele) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:18:51 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D1CD90.2090305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <000001c4ed33$9802c590$c601a8c0@plex31> a bit more info... http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10 34849&CatId=1345 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul DiRezze Sent: December 28, 2004 4:18 PM To: TLUG mailing list Subject: [TLUG]: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on the eMachines web site. Here's the vendor's page: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=10 34849&Sku=E400-M6809&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANEM275 Here's the support page at eMachines http://www.emachines.com/support/support_info.html?prodName=M6809 and the user guides. http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/M2xxx_M6xxx_notebook_UG_Online _030804.pdf http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/Wireless_Supplement_AACR537000 02K1_Online.pdf Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 Is this a bad idea? paul p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 23:33:18 2004 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:33:18 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D1CD90.2090305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041228183318.6565ff29@pino> Hi Paul, More info: http://tuxmobil.org/emachines.html Anthony > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get > Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on > the eMachines web site. > > Here's the vendor's page: > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1034849&Sku=E400-M6809&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANEM275 > > Here's the support page at eMachines > http://www.emachines.com/support/support_info.html?prodName=M6809 > > and the user guides. > http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/M2xxx_M6xxx_notebook_UG_Online_030804.pdf > http://downloads.emachines.com/ug/notebook/en/Wireless_Supplement_AACR53700002K1_Online.pdf > > Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ > http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 > > Is this a bad idea? > > paul > > p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Dec 28 23:44:37 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <200412281815.48217.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200412281815.48217.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20041228234437.72861.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Yes. I am using Sympatico ADS and I cannot telnet anywhere 25 except local. So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server name or IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? Thanks! Frank Peng. --- Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 28 December 2004 16:45, Frank Peng wrote: > > the mailq command says > > > > iBOLZgJX000383 47 Fri Dec 24 16:36 > > frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > (Deferred: Connection timed out > with > > mx4.mail.yahoo.com.) > > root-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > [snip] > > It looks yahoo.com ignore familywehbouse.com's > email. > > Since this name is resulved, why this happen? I do > not > > know. > > My guess would be that you are using Sympatico DSL > Internet at home. > Sympatico does not allow you to send email directly > to the Internet, all > email must go through their servers. > > Try this: > > telnet mx4.mail.yahoo.com 25 > > You will see that you cannot connect to Yahoo's mail > exchangers ... if you > aren't using Sympatico then there might be another > reason (perhaps you have > local firewall rules installed that block SMTP?). > > -- > Fraser Campbell > http://www.wehave.net/ > Georgetown, Ontario, Canada > Debian GNU/Linux > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 00:15:32 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:15:32 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041228234437.72861.qmail-5zxKuoCaw2iA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041228234437.72861.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D1F724.9010200@istop.com> If that is so, you can do nothing. Simply, I guess, Sympatico blocks port 25 access from anywhere to anywhere except their own servers. You can only use their server to send email outside. But why to use Sympatico ADSL when there are so many other providers around and they do not do these stinky restrictions? E.g. www.istop.com . Frank Peng wrote: > Yes. I am using Sympatico ADS and I cannot telnet > anywhere 25 except local. > > So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server name or > IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then > Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 00:18:31 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:18:31 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041228234437.72861.qmail-5zxKuoCaw2iA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041228234437.72861.qmail@web50903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412281918.31650.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 18:44, Frank Peng wrote: > So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server name or > IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then > Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? For outgoing email you have to configure your local sendmail to relay all non-local mail through sympatico. In sendmail.mc I think you use SMART_HOST for that but it's (thankfully) been a long time since I've had to do much with sendmail. For incoming mail there is no really good solution. Sympatico blocks all inbound smtp connections as well. Try "telnet familywebhouse.com 25" from an external connection and you will almost certainly find it blocked. Since Sympatico forbids running servers and specifically enforces blocking smtp so you're really out of luck unless you can arrange to relay in through an external mailserver. I ran my email that way for quite a while, my domain's email is hosted at a colo facility and I had my personal email relayed to home on port 26 ... eventually I switched to istop who do allow you to run servers. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 00:46:06 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:46:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <41D1F724.9010200-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1F724.9010200@istop.com> Message-ID: <20041229004606.93783.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> I can telnet smtp1.sympatico.ca 25(I cannot telnet anywhere else except local) helo familywebhouse.com 250 ... mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org 250 ... ok rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org 250 ...ok data 354 ok... this is a message from my basement linux to yahoo . 250 Message received ..... quit Then I back on to my yahoo account. I found a messge without sender infomation but the message reads " this is a message from my basement linux to yahoo" If I send a message from yahoo to my linux box, it says relaying is not allowed. I have a MX record like this in my DNS service: zone server familywebhouse.com smtp1.sympatico.ca So this means they blocked out my sendmail? Thanks a lot! Frank Peng. --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > If that is so, you can do nothing. Simply, I guess, > Sympatico blocks > port 25 access from anywhere to anywhere except > their own servers. You > can only use their server to send email outside. But > why to use > Sympatico ADSL when there are so many other > providers around and they do > not do these stinky restrictions? E.g. www.istop.com > . > > Frank Peng wrote: > > Yes. I am using Sympatico ADS and I cannot telnet > > anywhere 25 except local. > > > > So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server name > or > > IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then > > Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? > > > -- > Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business > Solutions > Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, > info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 06:16:58 2004 From: leigh-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ at public.gmane.org (Leigh Honeywell) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:16:58 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D1CD90.2090305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41D24BDA.9030500@geek-girls.ca> Paul DiRezze wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get > Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on > the eMachines web site. [snip] > Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ > http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 > > Is this a bad idea? > > paul > > p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. When I looked into Linux laptops, I lingered on this one for quite some time. The two things that lead me to eventually not go with it were: having to pay for Windows, and the pernicious hinge-cracking problem that they have. Just google for emachines hinge and you'll see what I mean. It ain't pretty. -Leigh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 01:34:03 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:34:03 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229004606.93783.qmail-O/cPtvXj38GA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229004606.93783.qmail@web50907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D2098B.5030208@istop.com> Frank Peng wrote: > I can telnet smtp1.sympatico.ca 25(I cannot telnet > anywhere else except local) > > helo familywebhouse.com > 250 ... > mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > 250 ... ok > rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > 250 ...ok > data > 354 ok... > this is a message from my basement linux to yahoo > . > 250 Message received ..... > > quit > > Then I back on to my yahoo account. I found a messge > without sender infomation but the message reads " this > is a message from my basement linux to yahoo" > > If I send a message from yahoo to my linux box, it > says relaying is not allowed. > > I have a MX record like this in my DNS service: > zone server > familywebhouse.com smtp1.sympatico.ca > > > So this means they blocked out my sendmail? I think so. Where familywebhouse.com is hosted? Is it on your home computer? Do you have a permanent IP from Sympatico ??? Arin shows me that IP of familywebhouse.com (70.49.102.134) belongs to Sympatico but reverse lookup to DNS gives me the name Ottawa-HSE-ppp4102395.sympatico.ca. I can open both addresses in my web browser. I can not telnet you on port 25. (I use istop - they do not block ports). zb. >>If that is so, you can do nothing. Simply, I guess, >>Sympatico blocks >>port 25 access from anywhere to anywhere except >>their own servers. You >>can only use their server to send email outside. But >>why to use >>Sympatico ADSL when there are so many other >>providers around and they do >>not do these stinky restrictions? E.g. www.istop.com >>. >> >>Frank Peng wrote: >> >>>Yes. I am using Sympatico ADS and I cannot telnet >>>anywhere 25 except local. >>> >>>So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server name >> >>or >> >>>IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then >>>Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? >> -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 02:02:20 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:02:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <41D2098B.5030208-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <41D2098B.5030208@istop.com> Message-ID: <20041229020220.40407.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com> I am using Sympatico at my home computer. I do not have a static IP address. I update my IP address if it is changed so you can always get my web site at www.familywebhouse.com. I thought sendmail should be the same as httpd. Since I am running sendmail and listening on port 25(I can telnet it locally), why I cannot listen to outside? How Sympatico block this? How do they know you are connecting me with port 25 since the name could be resolved and you can reach this IP address? I did not understand. Thanks a lot! Frank Peng. --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Frank Peng wrote: > > I can telnet smtp1.sympatico.ca 25(I cannot telnet > > anywhere else except local) > > > > helo familywebhouse.com > > 250 ... > > mail from: frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org > > 250 ... ok > > rcpt to: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org > > 250 ...ok > > data > > 354 ok... > > this is a message from my basement linux to yahoo > > . > > 250 Message received ..... > > > > quit > > > > Then I back on to my yahoo account. I found a > messge > > without sender infomation but the message reads " > this > > is a message from my basement linux to yahoo" > > > > If I send a message from yahoo to my linux box, it > > says relaying is not allowed. > > > > I have a MX record like this in my DNS service: > > zone server > > familywebhouse.com smtp1.sympatico.ca > > > > > > So this means they blocked out my sendmail? > > I think so. > > Where familywebhouse.com is hosted? Is it on your > home computer? Do you > have a permanent IP from Sympatico ??? Arin shows me > that IP of > familywebhouse.com (70.49.102.134) belongs to > Sympatico but reverse > lookup to DNS gives me the name > Ottawa-HSE-ppp4102395.sympatico.ca. I > can open both addresses in my web browser. I can not > telnet you on port > 25. (I use istop - they do not block ports). > > zb. > > > >>If that is so, you can do nothing. Simply, I > guess, > >>Sympatico blocks > >>port 25 access from anywhere to anywhere except > >>their own servers. You > >>can only use their server to send email outside. > But > >>why to use > >>Sympatico ADSL when there are so many other > >>providers around and they do > >>not do these stinky restrictions? E.g. > www.istop.com > >>. > >> > >>Frank Peng wrote: > >> > >>>Yes. I am using Sympatico ADS and I cannot telnet > >>>anywhere 25 except local. > >>> > >>>So I have to find out Sympatico's mail server > name > >> > >>or > >> > >>>IP to put it into my DNS server's MX record,then > >>>Sympatico forwords all email to my linux box? > >> > > > -- > Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business > Solutions > Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, > info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 02:37:52 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:37:52 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229020220.40407.qmail-fWN3QUsmKNiA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229020220.40407.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41D21880.8030109@istop.com> Frank Peng wrote: > I am using Sympatico at my home computer. > > I do not have a static IP address. I update my IP > address if it is changed so you can always get my web > site at www.familywebhouse.com. > > I thought sendmail should be the same as httpd. Since > I am running sendmail and listening on port 25(I can > telnet it locally), why I cannot listen to outside? > How Sympatico block this? How do they know you are > connecting me with port 25 since the name could be > resolved and you can reach this IP address? > > I did not understand. Thanks a lot! This becomes a little boring. They "know" that you try to connect on port 25. Actually, their servers/routers "know". They rather do not care about "you". Connecting to a remote place means not only sending IP address, but also port number. You can not "connect" by using IP adress only. So, they blocked port 25, which is used for sending mails by your mail server, sendmail. They allow only that you connect their own server at that port. zb. -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 04:40:44 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:40:44 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229020220.40407.qmail-fWN3QUsmKNiA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <41D2098B.5030208@istop.com> <20041229020220.40407.qmail@web50902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041229044044.GA5467@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 06:02:20PM -0800, Frank Peng wrote: > I am using Sympatico at my home computer. > > I do not have a static IP address. I update my IP > address if it is changed so you can always get my web > site at www.familywebhouse.com. > > I thought sendmail should be the same as httpd. Since > I am running sendmail and listening on port 25(I can > telnet it locally), why I cannot listen to outside? > How Sympatico block this? How do they know you are > connecting me with port 25 since the name could be > resolved and you can reach this IP address? > > I did not understand. Thanks a lot! You can listen to the outside, but Sympatico puts a barrier in your way. Any outside computer trying to talk to your home computer has to send their packets through Sympatico's routers, and Sympatico simply refuses to pass on port 25 packets. They only allow smtp traffic that goes to or from their own servers, and not between a customer machine and an outside machine in either direction. I switched to a different ISP when they started doing that, because I wanted to continue use my own domain name, not just a mailbox on their mail server. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 03:22:25 2004 From: frank_peng_01-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Frank Peng) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:22:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229044044.GA5467-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229044044.GA5467@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20041229032225.80171.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> That means they blocked any TCP/IP pocket tagged port #25, unless the IP address is their own mail server. So the resolution is: For outgoing mail: Use a smart_host to send out mail via smtp1.sympatico.ca but with a send from frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo5ePWn587bBp at public.gmane.org Then run a pop3 program for sending email out. For incoming mail, reconfigure my DNS service MX record, let all incoming email for frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org go to my yahoo account via my DNS service mail server. If not too much fun, I will fire Sympatico and try Rogers. You guys use istop, how much you guys pay for a month? Just playing, I cannot afford more than $50 per month. Thanks! Frank Peng. --- John Macdonald wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 06:02:20PM -0800, Frank Peng > wrote: > > I am using Sympatico at my home computer. > > > > I do not have a static IP address. I update my IP > > address if it is changed so you can always get my > web > > site at www.familywebhouse.com. > > > > I thought sendmail should be the same as httpd. > Since > > I am running sendmail and listening on port 25(I > can > > telnet it locally), why I cannot listen to > outside? > > How Sympatico block this? How do they know you are > > connecting me with port 25 since the name could be > > resolved and you can reach this IP address? > > > > I did not understand. Thanks a lot! > > You can listen to the outside, but Sympatico puts a > barrier > in your way. Any outside computer trying to talk to > your home > computer has to send their packets through > Sympatico's routers, > and Sympatico simply refuses to pass on port 25 > packets. > They only allow smtp traffic that goes to or from > their own > servers, and not between a customer machine and an > outside > machine in either direction. > > I switched to a different ISP when they started > doing that, > because I wanted to continue use my own domain name, > not just > a mailbox on their mail server. > > -- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: > http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text > below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 03:50:28 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:50:28 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229032225.80171.qmail-YNRCQF/y8RGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229032225.80171.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200412282250.28203.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 28 December 2004 22:22, Frank Peng wrote: > For incoming mail, reconfigure my DNS service MX > record, let all incoming email for > frank-tWQoongPzM9NivhThqwQo9BPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org go to my yahoo account via my > DNS service mail server. You cannot use DNS to rewrite mail from one domain to another. If you want email for your domain to work at all then there must be an Internet accessible SMTP server available to receive mail for it. You might be able to find a cheap email forwarding provider (I've never looked) but you'd be better off either getting a non-blocked home Internet connection or paying to have your email hosted somewhere else. > You guys use istop, how much you guys pay for a month? > Just playing, I cannot afford more than $50 per month. My total bill (i.e. with tax) is $36.33/month. That gives me a static IP. For $4 less per month I could have a sympatico-style dynamic address. istop has not proven to be as reliable as the big guys but that hasn't caused me to leave so far. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 03:51:10 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:51:10 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D24BDA.9030500-9JL22WV9E8YEaWwO4Jh2dQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41D24BDA.9030500@geek-girls.ca> Message-ID: <20041229035139.AE4866DC5E@lethe.ss.org> Here is a review that may give you some more info. I also hear that emachines is fixing the hinge problem and customers can return the machine to have the faulty parts replaced. Check it out: http://guilinux.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=16 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Leigh Honeywell Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:17 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility Paul DiRezze wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get > Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on > the eMachines web site. [snip] > Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ > http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 > > Is this a bad idea? > > paul > > p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. When I looked into Linux laptops, I lingered on this one for quite some time. The two things that lead me to eventually not go with it were: having to pay for Windows, and the pernicious hinge-cracking problem that they have. Just google for emachines hinge and you'll see what I mean. It ain't pretty. -Leigh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 03:55:01 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:55:01 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <20041229035139.AE4866DC5E-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <41D24BDA.9030500@geek-girls.ca> <20041229035139.AE4866DC5E@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: This is OT but what laptop would TLUG members recommend for Linux compatability and durability? I have a friend who works for Apple and may be able to get me an iBook (G3, early 2003) on the cheap. I think that with a RAM upgrade it would run Ubuntu like a dream. Would this be a good route? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 03:58:29 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:58:29 -0500 Subject: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <20041229035139.AE4866DC5E-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229035139.AE4866DC5E@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <20041229040011.DFD466DC60@lethe.ss.org> Oh sorry I forgot one thing. Tiger Direct Canada has got some great sales deals on some of these Athlon64 emachines models (6805-6811). These are refurbished units. Maybe the hinges have already been replaced. Currently the 6805 model is selling for 1099$. http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=86 6925&Sku=E400-M6805 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of DanG Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:51 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility Here is a review that may give you some more info. I also hear that emachines is fixing the hinge problem and customers can return the machine to have the faulty parts replaced. Check it out: http://guilinux.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=16 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Leigh Honeywell Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:17 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility Paul DiRezze wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get > Gentoo Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on > the eMachines web site. [snip] > Here's what passes for an OS-FAQ > http://www.emachines.com/support/view_faq.html?faq=1004997538 > > Is this a bad idea? > > paul > > p.s. If you know of a 64-bit notebook that's Linux-friendly, let me know. When I looked into Linux laptops, I lingered on this one for quite some time. The two things that lead me to eventually not go with it were: having to pay for Windows, and the pernicious hinge-cracking problem that they have. Just google for emachines hinge and you'll see what I mean. It ain't pretty. -Leigh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 04:21:56 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OT] Re:eMachines M6809 Linux Compatibility In-Reply-To: <41D1CD90.2090305-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <41D1CD90.2090305@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041229041427.B56667@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Paul DiRezze wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this 64-bit notebook, but only if I can get Gentoo > Linux on it. However, I'm unable to find out technical specs on the > eMachines web site. > > Here's the vendor's page: > http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1034849&Sku=E400-M6809&CMP=EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=CANEM275 > > Here's the support page at eMachines > http://www.emachines.com/support/support_info.html?prodName=M6809 They reallly called it the M6809?! That's priceless :) "Yes, this laptop is powered by a Motorola 6809?". The raw power - I can't believe the speed. Don't get me wrong I loved the 6809, it was a great cpu - 20 years ago[1] ;) That's almost as bad as Mac OS9 having a name so similar to Microware OS-9 (which is named after the 6809 as it happens). [1] Ok, I think it is actually still in production for imbedded apps. I read recently the 0.894MHz 6809 was faster than an 8088 running at 4.77MHz. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 06:59:50 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:59:50 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229032225.80171.qmail-YNRCQF/y8RGA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229044044.GA5467@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20041229032225.80171.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20041229065950.GA5993@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 07:22:25PM -0800, Frank Peng wrote: > If not too much fun, I will fire Sympatico and try > Rogers. > > You guys use istop, how much you guys pay for a month? > Just playing, I cannot afford more than $50 per month. All of the DSL ISPs run roughly around the same price. I'm with eol.ca at $37.40 per month (including taxes et al), there's also dsl.ca and istop. (Some of those names might be old names of ISPs that have been merged into each other. I think eol [short for Echo On-Line] is now part of the parent company of Tucows, but I still see them as eol when they talk to me.) They all tend to offer a discount for the first 3 months, they differ in how much they charge extra for a static IP address (I use a dynamic IP address, my dns provider has a free auto-update service), and whether they rent the DSL modem and for how much. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 05:24:08 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:24:08 -0500 Subject: Need help to configure sendmail In-Reply-To: <20041229065950.GA5993-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20041229044044.GA5467@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20041229032225.80171.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com> <20041229065950.GA5993@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <41D23F78.2050100@istop.com> John Macdonald wrote: > I'm with eol.ca at $37.40 per month (including taxes et al), > there's also dsl.ca and istop. (Some of those names might > be old names of ISPs that have been merged into each other. > I think eol [short for Echo On-Line] is now part of the parent > company of Tucows, but I still see them as eol when they talk > to me.) What a shit. I worked for Tucows a few years ago. They fired me because of political reasons (discrimination) and stupidity of their staff. And now this company takes quietly control of the ISP market? How all this around is silly and sick! zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 13:44:13 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:44:13 +0000 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search Message-ID: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Hello, So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Tab twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? I'd love to read up more about it (for example, why I can find apps as root but not as user and how I would change such settings) before I post questions here. I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... Many thanks, Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 18:58:41 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:58:41 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41D2FE61.9000709@alteeve.com> Matt Cahill wrote: > Hello, > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the > names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Tab > twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? I'd > love to read up more about it (for example, why I can find apps as root but > not as user and how I would change such settings) before I post questions > here. I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... > > Many thanks, > > Matt > As a regular user your $PATH environment does not include '/sbin' and '/usr/sbin' where many system apps reside. You can add this by editing '~/.bash_profile' to read: 'PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin'. The next time you log in, those directories will be searched. Alternatively you can type from the shell: PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin export PATH To get immediate searching of those directories. hth Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 19:07:23 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041229185949.M56667@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Matt Cahill wrote: > > Hello, > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the > names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Tab > twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? I'd It's usually called tab completion in conversation and is shell dependent (early shells did not have it). The man page for your shell will have copious detail on the topic. If you are using bash you will find all sorts of sub options available (to effect how tab completion works). In the bash man page search for "completion". Set your favourite options in ~/.bashrc of course. I also recommend making sure ~/.bash_profile reads ~/.bashrc as well. I have this set in ~/.bashrc as I find it very convenient: bind 'set show-all-if-ambiguous on' Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 19:50:51 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:50:51 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412291450.51537.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 29 December 2004 08:44, Matt Cahill wrote: > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the > names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Actually, you're find the names of executable files contained in your path (probably you realized this). > Tab twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? > I'd love to read up more about it (for example, why I can find apps as root > but not as user and how I would change such settings) before I post > questions here. I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before > now... I learned a lot of commands that way, a-TAB-TAB, b-TAB-TAB, etc ;-) As Robert mentioned completion is shell dependent. In zsh for get scrollable options for your TAB completion. Try "ls -TAB" ... you'll be able to scroll through all the options of ls (with documentation on their purpose). As another example of zsh completion I can scroll through subversion client commands and subversion client command options ... fraser at venus% svn TAB add cleanup diff info mkdir propget revert blame commit export list move proplist status cat copy help log propdel propset switch checkout delete import merge propedit resolved update fraser at venus% svn info -TAB --config-dir --recursive -R I don't bother using this but some people find it cool ;-) Completions are programmable so can a lot with it, as an example you can complete remote filenames with the ssh/scp commands. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 20:47:58 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:47:58 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041229204758.GA3024@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 01:44:13PM +0000, Matt Cahill wrote: > > Hello, > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find > the names of files on my system by entering the first digits and > then hitting Tab twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the > name of this feature? I'd love to read up more about it (for > example, why I can find apps as root but not as user and how I would > change such settings) before I post questions here. I'm a little > surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... It's called 'completion' and it's part of Readline library. man readline /complet -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 20:59:28 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:59:28 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting Message-ID: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> i saw a strange thing in /var/log/messages the other day: kernel: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC= DST= LEN=68 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=64 ID=52006 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=1 [SRC= DST= LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=236 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=33698 DPT=6881 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0 ] myIP is my router's external ip otherIP is some ip from singapore internalIP is a mac osX box on my lan that at the moment is off my firewall blocks all outgoing packets by default. so i have a few questions: 1. why does it look like my router is blocking an icmp type 3 packet going OUT? 2. how do i generate an icmp type 3 request to test this sort of thing? 3. what does this mean? i've since blocked the ip completely, adding it to a drop list, but i'd still like to know what's going on. thanks for the insight. -- commander, please. on the issue of galactic peace, i am long past innocence and fast approaching apathy. it's all a game -- a paper fantasy of names and borders. only one thing matters, commander. blood calls out for blood. - londo molari, babylon 5 season 1 "midnight on the firing line" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 21:00:46 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:00:46 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41D31AFE.4020704@rogers.com> Matt Cahill wrote: > Hello, > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the > names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Tab > twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? I'd > love to read up more about it (for example, why I can find apps as root but > not as user and how I would change such settings) before I post questions > here. I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... Tab completion. Also, it depends on the shell you use. Bash has it, some others don't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 21:42:04 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:42:04 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <41D31AFE.4020704-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <41D31AFE.4020704@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20041229214204.7179347C8@cbbrowne.com> > Matt Cahill wrote: > > Hello, > > > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the > > names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting T ab > > twice (using an xconsole at least). What is the name of this feature? I'd > > love to read up more about it (for example, why I can find apps as root but > > not as user and how I would change such settings) before I post questions > > here. I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... > > Tab completion. Also, it depends on the shell you use. Bash has it, > some others don't. This is sometimes termed "globbing", but is more properly termed "expansion." The shell where it was particularly popularized was the Tenex C shell; in that case, it involved expanding two things: a) Command names, and b) File names. zsh and Bash have since "been at war" to add additional features, with zsh being the more aggressive in the fashion. With the latest versions, zsh supports building scripts to complete all sorts of command line parameters, often in a strongly-typed fashion. For instance, if I type "ssh -" and hit [tab], it will show the following: cbbrowne at dba2:~> ssh - Wednesday 16:37:42 -1 -- forces ssh to try protocol version 1 only -2 -- forces ssh to try protocol version 2 only -4 -- forces ssh to use IPv4 addresses only -6 -- forces ssh to use IPv6 addresses only -A -- enables forwarding of the authentication agent connection -C -- compress data -D -- specify a dynamic port forwarding -F -- specify alternate config file -I -- specify smartcard device -L -- specify local port forwarding -N -- do not execute a remote command. (protocol version 2 only) -P -- use non privileged port -R -- specify remote port forwarding -T -- disable pseudo-tty allocation (protocol version 2 only) -V -- show version number -X -- enable X11 forwarding -a -- disable forwarding of authentication agent connection -b -- specify interface to transmit on -c -- select encryption cipher -e -- set escape character -f -- go to background -g -- allow remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports -i -- select identity file -k -- disable forwarding of kerberos tickets -l -- specify login name -m -- specify mac algorithms -n -- redirect stdin from /dev/null -o -- specify extra options -p -- specify port on remote host -q -- quiet operation -s -- invoke subsystem -t -- force pseudo-tty allocation -v -- verbose mode -x -- disable X11 forwarding Extend that a bit: % ssh -c [TAB] 3des arcfour blowfish des idea none tss I could thus specify blowfish encryption by typing: % ssh -c b[TAB] Scripting up a suitable set of functions to provide smart parameter completion does take some effort, but if you check out a zsh install, you'll find that this has been done for hundreds of more-or-less popular commands. -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'gmail.com'; http://linuxfinances.info/info/unix.html Signs of a Klingon Programmer - 3. "This machine is GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 21:42:51 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:42:51 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <41D324DB.6050606@sympatico.ca> Matt Cahill wrote: >Hello, > > So, to my amazement, somebody finally revealed to me that I can find the >names of files on my system by entering the first digits and then hitting Tab >twice > tab completion works this way for /executable/ files and will also work it's way through directories to any file where the context is valid (eg. vi /home/me/bla/whatever/textfile) > I'm a little surprised that I wasn't aware of it before now... > > it's a fabulous feature and, once you get used to it, make working at the CLI much faster and easier ! djp > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 17:03:24 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:03:24 +0000 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412291703.25209.m-cahill@rogers.com> Thanks for all of the info everyone ! Much appreciated. M -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 22:17:14 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:17:14 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search & zsh In-Reply-To: <20041229214204.7179347C8-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <41D31AFE.4020704@rogers.com> <20041229214204.7179347C8@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <41D32CEA.8030106@sympatico.ca> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: >This is sometimes termed "globbing", but is more properly termed >"expansion." > > what, is that 4 names so far ? :) >With the latest versions, zsh supports building scripts to complete all >sorts of command line parameters, often in a strongly-typed fashion. > >For instance, if I type "ssh -" and hit [tab], it will show the >following: > >cbbrowne at dba2:~> ssh - Wednesday >16:37:42 >-1 -- forces ssh to try protocol version 1 only >-2 -- forces ssh to try protocol version 2 only >-4 -- forces ssh to use IPv4 addresses only >-6 -- forces ssh to use IPv6 addresses only >-A -- enables forwarding of the authentication agent connection >-C -- compress data > [snip] >I could thus specify blowfish encryption by typing: >% ssh -c b[TAB] > > ka-wow ! gotta have that ! apt-get install zsh ? bash+, right ? gee, I wonder if there are /even better/ shells ?? ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 22:34:11 2004 From: presidentofthefuture-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:34:11 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: <200412291703.25209.m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200412291703.25209.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: Just to add in a quick bash tip: Debian packages great "programmable completion" for bash. Just source /etc/bash_completion exo:/home/newman# apt-get autoclean clean install update build-dep dist-upgrade remove upgrade check dselect-upgrade source -- Get Firefox - Take back the Web http://www.getfirefox.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 17:39:09 2004 From: m-cahill-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Matt Cahill) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:39:09 +0000 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search In-Reply-To: References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <200412291703.25209.m-cahill@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200412291739.09769.m-cahill@rogers.com> On December 29, 2004 10:34 pm, Mike Newman wrote: > Just to add in a quick bash tip: Debian packages great "programmable > completion" for bash. Just source /etc/bash_completion > exo:/home/newman# apt-get > autoclean clean install update > build-dep dist-upgrade remove upgrade > check dselect-upgrade source It is cool, eh? I tried that one already :) Matt -- Matt Cahill m dash cahill at rogers dot com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 23:41:18 2004 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:41:18 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> daniel wrote: > i saw a strange thing in /var/log/messages the other day: > > kernel: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC= DST= LEN=68 TOS=0x00 > PREC=0xC0 TTL=64 ID=52006 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=1 [SRC= > DST= LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=236 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP > SPT=33698 DPT=6881 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0 ] > > myIP is my router's external ip > otherIP is some ip from singapore > internalIP is a mac osX box on my lan that at the moment is off > my firewall blocks all outgoing packets by default. > > so i have a few questions: > > 1. why does it look like my router is blocking an icmp type 3 packet going > OUT? > > 2. how do i generate an icmp type 3 request to test this sort of thing? > > 3. what does this mean? Something is trying to connect to port 6881 on your server. The server is replying with ICMP Type 3, which stands for "Destination unreachable" message. Your iptables stack doesn't have a rule which allows those kind of packets to go out. To simulate this situation, just try to connect to the same port from an outside IP address like this: telnet 6881 or with a more advanced tool like NetCat. > > i've since blocked the ip completely, adding it to a drop list, but i'd still > like to know what's going on. thanks for the insight. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Dec 29 23:51:02 2004 From: webstuff-MKqfGmd6cJs0gtvRndBQZNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Craig Routledge) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:51:02 +0000 Subject: Linux bandwidth and iptables In-Reply-To: <41D1DAE6.9060106-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org> (from teddymills-VFlxZYho3OA@public.gmane.org on Tue Dec 28 17:15:02 2004) References: <41D1DAE6.9060106@knet.ca> Message-ID: <1104364262l.3961l.0l@localhost.localdomain> On 12/28/2004 05:15:02 PM, Teddy Mills wrote: > INPUT CHAIN: > > 49M 3325M ACCEPT all -- lo any localhost > anywhere 22M 4449M ACCEPT tcp -- any any > anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED > > ******************************************************************************************** > Q1. Why is 4449M (TCP-established) on 22M packets larger than 3325M(all > packets) on 49M packets? > ******************************************************************************************** The first rule (all) matches all traffic on the loopback interface only. The second rule (tcp) matches all traffic using the TCP protocol, regardless of whether it is local or remote. Neither is matching all traffic. > ******************************************************************************************** > Q2. Same here: Why is 12GB (TCP-established) on 22M packets larger than > 3325M(all packets) on 49M packets? > ******************************************************************************************** Same reason as above. > Q3. Can run this iptables -L -v every day for a week and compare the > numbers? > Will that be accurate? If you have a rule that logs all traffic (accepted or not), it should. Note the --exact option. > Q4. This is kind of a crude raw format. Is there something with finer > granularity? You can specify rules to match any kind of packet you wish to track. iptables -L -v will then pick up the stats. You can also send this to syslog via the LOG target prior to any other action on that match. This will create BIG log files because it logs each packet. Something like logwatch will condense it for you, but remember to rotate your raw logs often enough. Or you could use a different tool entirely.... Various Intrusion Detection Systems, such as snort, will undoubtedly provide such information and can spot other miscreant behaviour. > Q5. And easy to setup? (this machine is mission critical) Well, "man iptables" isn't the best place to start. I'd suggest reading some online or magazine tutorials on iptables first, to get the basic flow of things figured out. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 00:08:05 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:08:05 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <41D3409E.10209-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> Message-ID: <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On December 29, 2004 06:41 pm, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Something is trying to connect to port 6881 on your server. ?The server > is replying with ICMP Type 3, > which stands for "Destination unreachable" message. ?Your iptables stack > doesn't have a rule which allows those kind of packets to go out. > > To simulate this situation, just try to connect to the same port from an > outside IP address like this: > telnet 6881 > > or with a more advanced tool like NetCat. ahh thank you! now i understand. i was running azureus (a bittorrent client) on the mac and had left the nat port forwarding on, even though the box was off. so now i have a question regarding policy. should i be allowing outgoing icmp packets or just keep things the way they are -- being dropped. is what i'm currently doing considered bad form? at present i only allow established or related traffic through along with outgoing connections to basic ports (80,22 etc) and a few incoming packets for services. -- laws are like spider webs. if some poor weak creature comes up against them, it is caught. but the bigger one can break through and get away. - solon, greek philosopher, c. 630-555 B.C. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 01:01:19 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search & zsh In-Reply-To: <41D32CEA.8030106-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <41D31AFE.4020704@rogers.com> <20041229214204.7179347C8@cbbrowne.com> <41D32CEA.8030106@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20041230005816.E76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > ka-wow ! gotta have that ! > apt-get install zsh ? > bash+, right ? > > gee, I wonder if there are /even better/ shells ?? zsh is the "kitchen sink" shell. If you want more obscure shells try "rc" and its decendent "es". The rc shell is a port (or possible a reimplementation) of the standard Plan9 shell rc. It is minimalist. The shell es is an attempt to make an extended shell from the minimalise rc - ie, completely reversing the design decisions. Gotta love it :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073 Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 01:23:37 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:23:37 -0500 Subject: question regarding CLI Tab-search & zsh In-Reply-To: <20041230005816.E76069-VEo9TDJW/1fCABo8mDOsPEfjHoOT/h/0@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291344.13470.m-cahill@rogers.com> <41D31AFE.4020704@rogers.com> <20041229214204.7179347C8@cbbrowne.com> <41D32CEA.8030106@sympatico.ca> <20041230005816.E76069@nirmala.opentrend.net> Message-ID: <20041230012337.GA2520@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 01:01:19AM +0000, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, David J Patrick wrote: > > >ka-wow ! gotta have that ! apt-get install zsh ? bash+, right ? > > > >gee, I wonder if there are /even better/ shells ?? > > zsh is the "kitchen sink" shell. > > If you want more obscure shells try "rc" and its decendent "es". The > rc shell is a port (or possible a reimplementation) of the standard > Plan9 shell rc. It is minimalist. The shell es is an attempt to make > an extended shell from the minimalise rc - ie, completely reversing > the design decisions. Gotta love it :) Pretty soon, they'll have Bash. Mind you, 1/3 of its size is from readline stuffs. If you get rid of readline, history, array, arithmetic, brace, regexp, extended glob, job, and few other things, as well as compiler optimization, then it's pretty slick. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 20:11:59 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 30 Dec 2004 15:11:59 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: daniel writes: > On December 29, 2004 06:41 pm, Ilya Palagin wrote: > > Something is trying to connect to port 6881 on your server. ?The server > > is replying with ICMP Type 3, > > which stands for "Destination unreachable" message. ?Your iptables stack > > doesn't have a rule which allows those kind of packets to go out. > > > > To simulate this situation, just try to connect to the same port from an > > outside IP address like this: > > telnet 6881 > > > > or with a more advanced tool like NetCat. > > ahh thank you! now i understand. i was running azureus (a bittorrent client) > on the mac and had left the nat port forwarding on, even though the box was > off. > > so now i have a question regarding policy. should i be allowing outgoing icmp > packets or just keep things the way they are -- being dropped. is what i'm > currently doing considered bad form? at present i only allow established or > related traffic through along with outgoing connections to basic ports (80,22 > etc) and a few incoming packets for services. You _must_ allow certain types of ICMP or you'll run into trouble. In particular, types 4 (source quench), 11 (time to live exceeded), and 12 (parameter problem) should be allowed in both directions. I also think you should allow type 3 (destination unreachable) in both directions and rely on other rules to explicitly drop or reject inbound connections. Unless you're trying to learn about firewalling, I'd suggest using a firewalling package rather than roll your own. Shorewall is a good choice. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 21:03:59 2004 From: tux-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:03:59 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> Tim Writer wrote: ... > > You _must_ allow certain types of ICMP or you'll run into trouble. In > particular, types 4 (source quench), 11 (time to live exceeded), and 12 > (parameter problem) should be allowed in both directions. I also think you I don't believe one will run into trouble if ICMP is completely blocked on his side. Allowing those ICMP types is definitely a good networking style, but is not absolutely necessary. > should allow type 3 (destination unreachable) in both directions and rely on > other rules to explicitly drop or reject inbound connections. Unless you're > trying to learn about firewalling, I'd suggest using a firewalling package > rather than roll your own. Shorewall is a good choice. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 22:14:04 2004 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:14:04 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic Message-ID: hello, I recently upgraded my hard drive to an 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive and currently I have Windows XP Professional with SP2 Installed on my computer system. I've installed PartitionMagic version 8.05 on my computer today and I wanted to know how I can safely install Fedora on my computer. The reason that I'm asking is that I'm planning to install Fedora Linux on my computer.The specifications goes as follows: - Intel P4 at 1.4GHz - 256 MB RDRAM - 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive (that's where my current OS is held) with 8MB Cache, 7200RPM (already emptied and no plans for other uses as of yet) - 30GB Quantum\Maxtor Hard Drive (2MB cache), also at 7200RPM - Windows XP Pro SP2 - 16X LG DVD-ROM drive (equiv. to 48X Max CD-ROM) - A-open 48x write/12x re-write/50x read CD-writer The biggest barriers that I encounter are the partitioning and the boot-loader. As for the boot-loader, which boot-loader should I use? The GRUB boot loader provided with Fedora or BootMagic, the software that already provided by PartitionMagic? I'm concerned that one false move and my computer will be toast. That's what happened to my uncle's computer last summer. He wasn't aware that he could add an additional operating system, rather than creating a Linux partition on his. Do I also need to create separate partitions every time for the Linux installation? Any suggestions will be appreciated, thank you. Simon A future Linux user -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 22:30:08 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:30:08 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041230223008.GA2454@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 05:14:04PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > hello, > > I recently upgraded my hard drive to an 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive > and currently I have Windows XP Professional with SP2 Installed on my > computer system. I've installed PartitionMagic version 8.05 on my computer > today and I wanted to know how I can safely install Fedora on my computer. > The reason that I'm asking is that I'm planning to install Fedora Linux on > my computer.The specifications goes as follows: ... > The biggest barriers that I encounter are the partitioning and the > boot-loader. As for the boot-loader, which boot-loader should I use? The > GRUB boot loader provided with Fedora or BootMagic, the software that > already provided by PartitionMagic? > > I'm concerned that one false move and my computer will be toast. That's > what happened to my uncle's computer last summer. He wasn't aware that he > could add an additional operating system, rather than creating a Linux > partition on his. Do I also need to create separate partitions every time > for the Linux installation? > > Any suggestions will be appreciated, thank you. My advice is to keep Windows and Linux on separate harddisk. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 23:10:37 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:10:37 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: <20041230223008.GA2454-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20041230223008.GA2454@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20041230231101.7AB406D408@lethe.ss.org> If you only have one drive; partition the drive to make space for Linux (create a separate partition for it). You may have to shrink your fat32/ntfs partition from XP (if it's using the whole drive space) to make space for Linux using Partition Magic first. I have not had any problems using Grub for dual boots. Bootmagic works fine too once configured. It's up to you. Most people who do not use/have Partition Magic/Bootmagic use Grub without any issues. Look at the dual-boot howto or grub howto that should help you out. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of William Park Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:30 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: need help installing Fedora using partition magic On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 05:14:04PM -0500, Simon Tonekham wrote: > hello, > > I recently upgraded my hard drive to an 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive > and currently I have Windows XP Professional with SP2 Installed on my > computer system. I've installed PartitionMagic version 8.05 on my computer > today and I wanted to know how I can safely install Fedora on my computer. > The reason that I'm asking is that I'm planning to install Fedora Linux on > my computer.The specifications goes as follows: ... > The biggest barriers that I encounter are the partitioning and the > boot-loader. As for the boot-loader, which boot-loader should I use? The > GRUB boot loader provided with Fedora or BootMagic, the software that > already provided by PartitionMagic? > > I'm concerned that one false move and my computer will be toast. That's > what happened to my uncle's computer last summer. He wasn't aware that he > could add an additional operating system, rather than creating a Linux > partition on his. Do I also need to create separate partitions every time > for the Linux installation? > > Any suggestions will be appreciated, thank you. My advice is to keep Windows and Linux on separate harddisk. -- William Park Open Geometry Consulting, Toronto, Canada Linux solution for data processing. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Dec 30 23:41:33 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:41:33 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D4922D.5090809@sympatico.ca> Simon Tonekham wrote: > > - 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive (that's where my current OS is > held) with 8MB Cache, 7200RPM (already emptied and no plans for other > uses as of yet) > - 30GB Quantum\Maxtor Hard Drive (2MB cache), also at 7200RPM Why not install linux to the 30 gig drive and leave XP on the 120 ? If you follow the "custom partitioning" part of the install, it should be fairly obvious. while you're at it, it's always a good idea to make a separate /home partition, so you won't have to move your stuff. format you home partition fat32, and you'll be able to get at those files from Windows. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 00:21:01 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:21:01 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora Message-ID: <41D49B6D.8080204@sympatico.ca> If I read your email right you have a 120 GB WD drive with Win XP on it and a 30 GB Maxtor that is now just extra storage space. I suggest that you copy anything that you want to keep on to the larger drive and then install Fedora on the Maxtor ( which Linux will recognize as hdb) and let it reformat the whole drive. There is really no need to use Partition Magic -- Fedora will handle everything and its safe to let Grub be installed to the MBR ( this how its intalled on one of my systems). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 00:31:16 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:31:16 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: <20041230231101.7AB406D408-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> References: <20041230231101.7AB406D408@lethe.ss.org> Message-ID: <41D49DD4.80308@istop.com> When I hear about Partition Magic on a Linux list, I wonder: who is asking? True, it is easier for a newbie to use PM than fips. But one ought to pay for PM. For fips no. Fips is not easy to learn nor simple for a medium-experienced Linux user. But when I had choice between the two I could not resit fips: just as a chalange. And yes, I reformated HD of a comp I am using, with fips (the comp is not owned by me at all and it is worth more than 4000 C$). Now I have both windows and linux there. Risky? Yes. Now though during my life I will not buy PM - I will use fips only. zb DanG wrote: > If you only have one drive; partition the drive to make space for Linux > (create a separate partition for it). You may have to shrink your fat32/ntfs > partition from XP (if it's using the whole drive space) to make space for > Linux using Partition Magic first. I have not had any problems using Grub > for dual boots. Bootmagic works fine too once configured. It's up to you. > Most people who do not use/have Partition Magic/Bootmagic use Grub without > any issues. Look at the dual-boot howto or grub howto that should help you > out. > -- Zbigniew Koziol, SoftQuake^(tm) Open Source Business Solutions Toronto, Canada, http://www.softquake.ca, info-lcEyp1+e+UdAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 00:48:55 2004 From: simon_128-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Simon Tonekham) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:48:55 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: <41D4922D.5090809-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41D4922D.5090809@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 01:18:41 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:18:41 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora Message-ID: <41D4A8F1.30307@sympatico.ca> > How am I suppose to boot two drives during startup? And If i'm not comfortable of having two operating systems on two seperate drives, how do I remove Linux on my Maxtor? What will happen is that in the first stage of the boot process, Grub will present you with a menu and you use the up / down arrows to select which OS you want to boot. If you decide that you don't like Fedora,remove the Maxtor or reformat it and then you use the Fix MBR utility on the WIn XP CD to restore it to its pre linux state. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 01:18:46 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:18:46 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora In-Reply-To: <41D49B6D.8080204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41D49B6D.8080204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041230201503.031bfc30@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 07:21 PM 12/30/04, you wrote: >If I read your email right you have a 120 GB WD drive with Win XP on it >and a 30 GB Maxtor that is now just extra storage space. I suggest that >you copy anything that you want to keep on to the larger drive and then >install Fedora on the Maxtor ( which Linux will recognize as hdb) and let >it reformat the whole drive. There is really no need to use Partition >Magic -- Fedora will handle everything and its safe to let Grub be >installed to the MBR ( this how its intalled on one of my systems). Safe? Suppose you have to re-install XP for some reason. I've experiences serious MBR problems under those circumstances. It's it's one of the reasons why I boot the Linux from a floppy. >John > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 01:42:18 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:42:18 -0500 Subject: Linux on an Avaratec 3500 Series laptop Message-ID: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> I managed to install Debian Sarge on my Avaratec laptop. X windows works and all that, but ... 1. Colour on X windows appears to be stepped, as though it were operating at 8 or 16-bit. I have achieved the rated resolution (1024x768), but not the rated bit depth (preferably 24-bit). 2. mouse pad works, but the Avaratec screen also works as a tablet. It comes with a pen that has what I think is the laptop's weakest feature: a battery. Not just any battery, but an AAAA (that's quadruple A) battery (anyone know where to get another one beside another laptop?). The pen works directly on the monitor. If the battery is taken out, the pen is useless. 3. The disks mount in funny places. The cd-rom is /dev/hda; and the main hard drive is /dev/hdc. I have an external USB hard drive, which probably mounts ... somewhere. But just not in the usual place. I've tried fdisk'ing /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, ... and it was no go. If anyone can offer insights or suggestions, feel free to respond. Regards Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 01:52:45 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:52:45 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D4B0ED.1080700@truxtar.com> Simon Tonekham wrote: > I recently upgraded my hard drive to an 120GB Western Digital Hard Drive > and currently I have Windows XP Professional with SP2 Installed on my > computer system. I've installed PartitionMagic version 8.05 on my > computer today and I wanted to know how I can safely install Fedora on > my computer. The reason that I'm asking is that I'm planning to install > Fedora Linux on my computer.The specifications goes as follows: *A warning about Partition Magic:* Partition Magic has destroyed some of the data on NTFS partitions *two out of the three times* I tried to use it to shrink an NTFS partition. This was on different systems/hardware too, so it's not a localized bug. I don't think there is any tool that will safely shrink/move an NTFS partition. That being said, if your Windows XP is installed on an NTFS partition, I would avoid resizing it at all costs. If you do want to resize/move it, I suggest a _complete and tested_ backup. I would recommend doing what others have recommended: installing Linux on the other HD or in an unpartitioned (free) area of the drive. Then you can create a FAT32 partition to share your data between Linux and Windows. By the way, if you will not be using _both_ hard drives simultaneously most of the time (by having WinXP on one and Linux on the other), you should put the hard drives on one IDE cable, and the DVD-writer on the other for performance reasons. My $0.02 -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 01:59:17 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:59:17 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora Message-ID: <41D4B275.5020001@sympatico.ca> > Safe? Suppose you have to re-install XP for some reason. I've experiences serious MBR problems under those circumstances. It's it's one of the reasons why I boot the Linux from a floppy. My explanation is based on using a slaved hard drive for Linux. Reformat hda and re-install Win XP. Then boot linux from a floppy and re-install grub ( or lilo). John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 02:03:32 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:03:32 -0500 Subject: OTAAAA batteries Message-ID: <41D4B374.4060300@sympatico.ca> > Not just any battery, but an AAAA (that's quadruple A) battery (anyone know > where to get another one beside another laptop?) Its a camera battery. I know that Vistek has them, so Henry's probably would as well. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 02:07:30 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:07:30 -0500 Subject: Linux on an Avaratec 3500 Series laptop In-Reply-To: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> References: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> Message-ID: <41D4B462.4030201@truxtar.com> Paul King wrote: > I managed to install Debian Sarge on my Avaratec laptop. X windows works and > all that, but ... > > 1. Colour on X windows appears to be stepped, as though it were operating at 8 > or 16-bit. I have achieved the rated resolution (1024x768), but not the rated > bit depth (preferably 24-bit). Look in the "Screen" section of the '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' file and see what "DefaultDepth" is set to. > > 2. mouse pad works, but the Avaratec screen also works as a tablet. It comes > with a pen that has what I think is the laptop's weakest feature: a battery. > Not just any battery, but an AAAA (that's quadruple A) battery (anyone know > where to get another one beside another laptop?). The pen works directly on the > monitor. If the battery is taken out, the pen is useless. Try looking through the X documentation or searching on 'www.google.com/linux' for "X tablet support" or even your exact laptop model. It should be a matter of setting up your '/etc/XF86Config-4' file's "input" section. As for the batteries, try googling for them (there should be plenty of suppliers), or rig an external battery pack and a pair of wires when the batteries die :) > > 3. The disks mount in funny places. The cd-rom is /dev/hda; and the main hard > drive is /dev/hdc. I have an external USB hard drive, which probably mounts ... > somewhere. But just not in the usual place. I've tried fdisk'ing /dev/sda, > /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, ... and it was no go. Check the output of 'dmesg' or look through 'less /var/log/messages' to see if the kernel detects the drive. Look for something like this (under a 2.6 kernel): Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: Vendor: LEXAR Model: JUMPDRIVE Rev: 1.02 Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: SCSI device sdb: 62464 512-byte hdwr sect ors (32 MB) Therefore my Jumpdrive is detected as /dev/sdb, and I can access it through /dev/sdb1 (the first and only partition on /dev/sdb). -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 02:40:08 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:40:08 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41D4BC08.1010905@sympatico.ca> Simon Tonekham wrote: > How am I suppose to boot two drives during startup? > Modern operating systems can handle multiple drives. The bootloader (grub, lilo, etc) is a tiny program that keeps the configurations straight and gives you a menu at boot-time that lets you choose which operating system to start up. Select your fave OS (linux ;) and the boot continues from the correct drive. Sound complicated ? yup ! but 99% of the time you never have to think about it. ... for that 1% come back to the list ! :) > And If i'm not comfortable of having two operating systems on two > seperate drives, how do I remove Linux on my Maxtor? > If you have set it up with just linux on the 30 gig, basically just scrub the drive. That's perhaps an over-simplification, you might just be formatting ONE partition and leaving the /home partition, depends how you want to set it up ! Just in case, it's a good policy to keep rescue boot disks nearby, so that in the unlikely events that the bootloader get's bent, you can still start you system. This is as true for 100% Windoze boxes as it is for linux or dual boot systems. Don't let this scare ya, but your your XP setup is more like to explode all over the runway, than Red Hat. Which brings me to; knoppix (one of the) incredible bootable linux distributions. with a knoppix disk you need never again fear total lockout as a result of a mangled setup. It can be used to rescue systems (Win, linux) and even allow you to enjoy a full working linux system without installing anything ! www.knoppix.net One last thing; for a branny new linux user, such as yourself, be aware that you have many choices beyond Red Hat. Why not RH ? Well, the .rpm package management system (for installing new software) can be a bit sticky, and the out-of-the-box multimedia configuration is sparse. Xandros, while not free, is polished and has velvety smooth install and integration, for former Windoze prisoners. ubuntu is fine, free, and way friendly. see distrowatch for the dizzying array of available linux distributions. www.distrowatch.com good luck, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 05:56:34 2004 From: billmudry-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Bill Mudry) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:56:34 -0500 Subject: Second PHLUG meeting this Tuesday Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041231003853.01e20768@mail.eol.ca> Seasons Greetings! Happy New Year to you all. Its hard to believe how fast a month can go by. All west ender's ---- set aside this Tuesday evening. It is time for our next PHLUG meeting already. Just as before, lets set - the start time as 7pm. - The Location will be Mulligans again at the Woodchester Mall in Mississauga (off Dundas between Erin Mills Parkway and Winston Churchill). All the festivities over the holiday season doesn't have to be over yet. Come join us. Looking forward to seeing you, Bill Mudry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 10:02:14 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 05:02:14 -0500 Subject: OTAAAA batteries In-Reply-To: <41D4B374.4060300-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <41D4B374.4060300@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1104487334.4859.1.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 21:03 -0500, John McGregor wrote: > > Not just any battery, but an AAAA (that's quadruple A) battery (anyone know > > where to get another one beside another laptop?) > > Its a camera battery. I know that Vistek has them, so Henry's probably > would as well. I've bought them at Radio Shack before. (Not that I would advocate buying anything other than batteries there though...) Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 18:23:39 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 31 Dec 2004 13:23:39 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora using partition magic In-Reply-To: <41D49DD4.80308-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> References: <20041230231101.7AB406D408@lethe.ss.org> <41D49DD4.80308@istop.com> Message-ID: Zbigniew Koziol writes: > When I hear about Partition Magic on a Linux list, I wonder: who is asking? > > True, it is easier for a newbie to use PM than fips. But one ought to pay for > PM. For fips no. Fips is not easy to learn nor simple for a > medium-experienced Linux user. But when I had choice between the two I could > not resit fips: just as a chalange. And yes, I reformated HD of a comp I am > using, with fips (the comp is not owned by me at all and it is worth more > than 4000 C$). Now I have both windows and linux there. Risky? Yes. Now > though during my life I will not buy PM - I will use fips only. AFAIK, FIPS only works with FAT partitions not NTFS and, it seems to me, most XP installations use NTFS by default. Another free tool is ntfsresize: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html which I've used successfully to shrink NTFS partitions on several occasions. Having said that, there always seems to be a limit to how much space ntfsresize can recover, even after disabling the Windows swap file and defragging. Once I was able to free up about half of a 30GB disk but sometimes I've only been able to get a couple of gig at the end of the disk. If you're dealing with a new system, the best approach is probably to re-install XP into a much smaller partition. This way you get to experience first hand the pain of installing Windows compared with the ease of installing Linux. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 18:37:24 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 31 Dec 2004 13:37:24 -0500 Subject: need help installing Fedora In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041230201503.031bfc30-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <41D49B6D.8080204@sympatico.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20041230201503.031bfc30@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Elliott Chapin writes: > At 07:21 PM 12/30/04, you wrote: > > If I read your email right you have a 120 GB WD drive with Win XP on it and > > a 30 GB Maxtor that is now just extra storage space. I suggest that you > > copy anything that you want to keep on to the larger drive and then install > > Fedora on the Maxtor ( which Linux will recognize as hdb) and let it > > reformat the whole drive. There is really no need to use Partition Magic -- > > Fedora will handle everything and its safe to let Grub be installed to the > > MBR ( this how its intalled on one of my systems). > > > Safe? Suppose you have to re-install XP for some reason. I've experiences > serious MBR problems under those circumstances. It's it's one of the reasons > why I boot the Linux from a floppy. What kind of problems? If you re-install XP, it will likely overwrite your MBR but your Linux partitions will still be intact. This is easily recovered with a GRUB boot floppy or a Linux rescue disk (KNOPPIX is a great rescue disk, RIP [recovery is possible] is another good one). If you have the opposite problem (i.e. XP doesn't like the non-native MBR for some reason), you can always restore it. Simply boot an XP recovery disk and run: fdisk /mbr to re-install the XP MBR. Alternatively, save the original MBR when you install Linux before instaling GRUB, LILO, etc.: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/mbr.orig count=1 This is for an IDE system with first hard disk hda. If you need to restore the Windows MBR, run this from withing Linux: # dd of=/dev/hda if=/boot/mbr.orig Afterwards, you'll have to boot Linux from floppy so make sure you have a boot floppy or rescue disk handy. IMO, unless you plan to run Linux only occasionally, you should allow Linux to control the boot process. This is because the Linux boot loaders are much more flexible and powerful and Linux has a wealth of recovery tools which you can use to diagnose and resolve many Windows problems. The Windows recovery tools are quite poor and certainly Windows is no help in solving Linux problems. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 18:43:53 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 31 Dec 2004 13:43:53 -0500 Subject: Linux on an Avaratec 3500 Series laptop In-Reply-To: <41D4B462.4030201-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <41D4682A.23154.298474E@localhost> <41D4B462.4030201@truxtar.com> Message-ID: Anton Markov writes: > Paul King wrote: > > I managed to install Debian Sarge on my Avaratec laptop. X windows works > > and all that, but ... > > > 1. Colour on X windows appears to be stepped, as though it were operating > > at 8 or 16-bit. I have achieved the rated resolution (1024x768), but not > > the rated bit depth (preferably 24-bit). > > Look in the "Screen" section of the '/etc/X11/XF86Config-4' file and see what > "DefaultDepth" is set to. In addition, xdpyinfo will allow you to confirm your bit depth. Look at the visuals section. If none of them have 24 planes, you're not running at 24 bit. If DefaultDepth is correclty set, have a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log may indicate why you're not running at 24bpp. > > 3. The disks mount in funny places. The cd-rom is /dev/hda; and the main > > hard drive is /dev/hdc. That's normal on some notebooks. > > I have an external USB hard drive, which probably > > mounts ... somewhere. But just not in the usual place. I've tried fdisk'ing > > /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, ... and it was no go. > > Check the output of 'dmesg' or look through 'less /var/log/messages' to see > if the kernel detects the drive. Look for something like this (under a 2.6 > kernel): > > Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: Vendor: LEXAR Model: JUMPDRIVE > Rev: 1.02 > Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: Type: Direct-Access > ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Dec 30 11:37:57 anton kernel: SCSI device sdb: 62464 512-byte hdwr sect > ors (32 MB) > > Therefore my Jumpdrive is detected as /dev/sdb, and I can access it through > /dev/sdb1 (the first and only partition on /dev/sdb). Also check (with lsmod) that you have usb-storage, scsi_mod, and sd_mod loaded. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Dec 31 18:12:35 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 31 Dec 2004 13:12:35 -0500 Subject: firewallspotting In-Reply-To: <41D46D3F.9050904-4CS0UopE6WdBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200412291559.29155.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D3409E.10209@almatau.com> <200412291908.05727.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <41D46D3F.9050904@almatau.com> Message-ID: Ilya Palagin writes: > Tim Writer wrote: > ... > > You _must_ allow certain types of ICMP or you'll run into trouble. In > > > particular, types 4 (source quench), 11 (time to live exceeded), and 12 > > (parameter problem) should be allowed in both directions. I also think you > I don't believe one will run into trouble if ICMP is completely blocked on > his side. Blocked in which direction? If you block source quench outbound, none of the systems on your network will be able to tell a fast server to slow down. If you block source quench inbound, a slow system you are sending data to will not be able to tell you to slow down. The classic symptom of incorrectly blocking ICMP is that you can ssh into a remote system and issue commands that don't generate a lot of output without trouble but as soon as you issue a command that generates a lot of output (ls in a large directory, less or cat a large file, etc.) your connection freezes. This type of problem can go unnoticed for a long time until, one day, your ISP upgrades a router, installs a web cache, or some such. Suddenly you need flow control and you don't have it. > Allowing those ICMP types is definitely a good networking style, but is not > absolutely necessary. To me, that's like saying driving on the right (in North America), is good style but not absolutely necessary. As long as there are no cars heading your way, you can drive on the wrong side of the road as much as you like but you'll be pretty sorry when traffic patterns change. -- tim writer starnix inc. 647.722.5301 toronto, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 20:11:35 2004 From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:11:35 -0500 Subject: Free Monitors to a Good Home In-Reply-To: References: <20050720025351.GA954@localhost> <20050720025351.GA954@localhost> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041219150435.009dfd00@pop3.ilap.com> Sorry if it's a repeat, but I didn't see my message appear Two 17 inch flat screen (CRT) AOC brand monitors (working fine); Free. Located at Queen Street and Hwy 410 in Brampton cell: 647.225.1989 thanks dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org Sun Dec 19 20:24:28 2004 From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:24:28 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Free Monitors to a Good Home Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20041219152240.009e2010@pop3.ilap.com> >Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:11:35 -0500 >To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org >From: dave morton >Subject: Free Monitors to a Good Home > >Sorry if it's a repeat, but I didn't see my message appear > >Two 17 inch flat screen (CRT) AOC brand monitors (working fine); >Free. Located at Queen Street and Hwy 410 in Brampton >cell: 647.225.1989 >thanks >dave ******** both have now been promised to a tlug user thanks all ************ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml