From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 00:38:02 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:38:02 -0500 Subject: RealPlayer 8 In-Reply-To: <20040331232953.38848.qmail-XbHtgyYbTkWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040331232953.38848.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <406B646A.303@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mel, To run realplayer from the command line, type "realplay". If you want to check for the installed RPM, do: # rpm -q realplay you can try reinstalling the rpm by adding --force to the rpm command. For example: # rpm -Uhv --force realplayer-package.rpm Mel Seder wrote: > I'm using RedHat Fedora CORE 1 and the other day I downloaded the RPM > for Real Player 8 and when I went to install it I was told that it was > already installed. I didn't find a .realplayer directory in root or in > ~. > > I can't see an icon for it in the menu. What is the name of the file I > should execute? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAa2RwRreNkzrRRLQRAtKiAJ90apM1VUR3/GkCM9rynuNdExHoWwCffb8M fgYVnrdVPVOQ2nS3ChyVn4A= =AiQY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 00:42:37 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:42:37 -0500 Subject: Modifying key bindings in xfwm4 In-Reply-To: <20040326104906.6f012f48.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40636C78.9070808@truxtar.com> <20040326104906.6f012f48.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <406B657D.9000908@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the xmodmap suggestion JoeHill. I can get the desired behavior by giving the following commands to xmodmap: remove mod1 = Alt_L remove mod4 = Super_L add mod1 = Super_L add mod4 = Menu I have another question: How can I set xmodmap to read and execute my .xmodmaprc file when I launch XFCE4 (or any other window manager)? Thanks JoeHill wrote: > That function seems to be common to all the DE/WM's I've tried, and I can find > no mention of it in any of the ~/.xfce config files I looked through. I'm > thinkin' maybe it's a function of X itself? > > My best guess is you could set this with xmodmap. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAa2V9RreNkzrRRLQRArJsAJ4pZ2EfF7bBvmwDb0aY2W4V5oKwXwCgjKJp nVRnbw+dEX5B81otss29V6k= =vSQc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 02:35:54 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:35:54 -0500 Subject: Modifying key bindings in xfwm4 In-Reply-To: <406B657D.9000908-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40636C78.9070808@truxtar.com> <20040326104906.6f012f48.joehill@sympatico.ca> <406B657D.9000908@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040331213554.06b336b6.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:42:37 -0500 Anton Markov disseminated the following: > I have another question: How can I set xmodmap to read and execute my > .xmodmaprc file when I launch XFCE4 (or any other window manager)? Depends on how you start X. Personally, I start X from text mode like so: (in my .bashrc, cuz I'm lazy) alias x="startx" so that 'x' calls my ~/.xinitrc If you start X this way, your ~/.xinitrc would look something like this: xfce-mcs-manager xfwm4 --daemon xftaskbar4 & xfce4-iconbox & xfdesktop & xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc exec xfce4-panel If you do a graphical login, I'm not so sure. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Wars such as those which have occurred in Iraq only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate." -- Spain's prime minister-elect, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 04:55:24 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:55:24 -0500 Subject: RealPlayer 8 In-Reply-To: <20040331232953.38848.qmail-XbHtgyYbTkWA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040331232953.38848.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040401045524.GA10397@m450> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:29:53PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote > I'm using RedHat Fedora CORE 1 and the other day I downloaded the RPM > for Real Player 8 and when I went to install it I was told that it was > already installed. I didn't find a .realplayer directory in root or in > ~. > > I can't see an icon for it in the menu. What is the name of the file I > should execute? You know the saying about "give a man a fish versus teaching him how to fish". "man find" is your friend. "find / -iname filename* > x" does a case-insensitive search through your entire system for the wildcarded filename* and spit the results out to file x. You may prefer to do the search as root, because that eliminates error messages about acces-denied. Here's the search, and it's results on my non-standard layout. [23:43:10][/root] find / -iname realplay* /usr/share/mc/templates/realplayer.desktop /usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/realplayer.desktop /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/realplayer.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/realplayer.png /misc/opt/RealPlayer8 /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay.htm /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00000000.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00000013.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00000046.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00000071.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00090000.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/Help/realplay/pics/realplay00090001.gif /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/realplay.desktop /misc/opt/RealPlayer8/realplay /misc/home/waltdnes/.kde/share/applnk/Multimedia/RealPlayer.kdelnk /misc/home/waltdnes/.gnome/apps/Multimedia/realplayer.desktop /misc/home/waltdnes/.gnome/mime-info/realplay.keys /misc/home/waltdnes/.gnome/mime-info/realplay.mime /misc/backups/other_rpms/realplayer In my case, it's "/misc/opt/RealPlayer8/realplay". /misc/opt is symlinked as /opt, so the path /opt/RealPlayer8/realplay will also work, and it looks more normal. Your setup will probably be different from mine, but "find / -iname realplay*" should dig it up for you. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 05:23:31 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:23:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: RealPlayer 8 In-Reply-To: <20040401045524.GA10397-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401045524.GA10397@m450> Message-ID: <20040401052331.64281.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:29:53PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote > > I'm using RedHat Fedora CORE 1 and the other day I downloaded the > RPM > > for Real Player 8 and when I went to install it I was told that it > was > > already installed. I didn't find a .realplayer directory in root > or in > > ~. > > > > I can't see an icon for it in the menu. What is the name of the > file I > > should execute? > > You know the saying about "give a man a fish versus teaching him > how > to fish". :-) Thanks for the tutorial I was always curious how find worked but never got around to doing a "mand find". "man find" is your friend. "find / -iname filename* > x" > does a case-insensitive search through your entire system for the > wildcarded filename* and spit the results out to file x. You may > prefer > to do the search as root, because that eliminates error messages > about > acces-denied. Here's the search, and it's results on my non-standard > layout. > > [23:43:10][/root] find / -iname realplay* > /usr/share/mc/templates/realplayer.desktop > In my case, it's "/misc/opt/RealPlayer8/realplay". /misc/opt is > symlinked as /opt, so the path /opt/RealPlayer8/realplay will also > work, > and it looks more normal. Your setup will probably be different from > mine, but "find / -iname realplay*" should dig it up for you. [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# find / -iname fstab /etc/fstab [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# find / -iname fstab* find: paths must precede expression Usage: find [path...] [expression] [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# I was horsing around with the find command and the "find / -name fstab*" seemed to blow up but the fist find worked fine. Any idea what went wrong? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 05:31:05 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: RealPlayer 8 In-Reply-To: <20040401045524.GA10397-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040331232953.38848.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> <20040401045524.GA10397@m450> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:29:53PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote > > I'm using RedHat Fedora CORE 1 and the other day I downloaded the RPM > > for Real Player 8 and when I went to install it I was told that it was > > already installed. I didn't find a .realplayer directory in root or in > > ~. > > > > I can't see an icon for it in the menu. What is the name of the file I > > should execute? > > You know the saying about "give a man a fish versus teaching him how > to fish". "man find" is your friend. "find / -iname filename* > x" > does a case-insensitive search through your entire system for the > wildcarded filename* and spit the results out to file x. You may prefer > to do the search as root, because that eliminates error messages about > acces-denied. Here's the search, and it's results on my non-standard > layout. > > [23:43:10][/root] find / -iname realplay* The -ls operator is useful here, so that you can see whether a file is executable: find / -iname "realplay*" -ls And locate is much faster, though the database will have to be rebuilt (updatedb as root), to find something you have just installed. On most distros updatedb is run every night, so if it's been on your system for a day, then locate should find it: locate -i realplay -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 06:27:22 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:27:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: list etiquette Message-ID: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> I read a internet page/posting that said a mailing list shouldn't contain thank you postings. Those should be sent directly to the person you want to thank so as not to have everyone download posts that don't really have any interesting or informative content. I wanted to thank anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org for posting the command to start Real Player but didn't want to add fluff to the list so I sent the thanks directly to Anton. Can I please have input as to what is the custom on this list? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 09:00:48 2004 From: pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org (pmaddocks-9U2EIkBaTy57jpW2VZu3qypHNdL/HXVq at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 04:00:48 -0500 Subject: Philip Maddocks/CORP/BROOKFIELD is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 04/01/2004 and will not return until 04/02/2004. I will respond to your message when I return. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 13:23:14 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:23:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040401062722.76397.qmail-aqc0IV44L2qA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mel, The most basic rules about list etiquette that I can think of are 1) you should only send stuff that you think the whole list will be interested in and 2) related to that, keep it on topic. To state it plainly, that means don't post "Thanks!" or "Me, too!" posts to the list. I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is 5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. Anything that lowers the signal to noise ratio is an irritant. Thanks to an individual are no doubt greatly appreciated by the individual (I can't tell you how many times my butt has been saved by something I read on a list -- whether or not I started the discussion thread) but they don't contain much information for the rest of us. However (you knew there was going to eb a however, right?) a thank you sent to the list is appropriate when it summarizes the discussion, perhaps describing the original question, the various issues raised and the solutions proposed, and finally describes your chosen approach .. and then thanks the contributors for their assistance. Alex ps And, of course, there's Godwin's Law which states that mention of the name of Germany's leader during WWII immediately ends the thread. And I've heard similar corollaries for Iraq's ex-leader and the current U.S. President. On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > I read a internet page/posting that said a mailing list shouldn't > contain thank you postings. Those should be sent directly to the > person you want to thank so as not to have everyone download posts that > don't really have any interesting or informative content. > > I wanted to thank anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org for posting the command to start > Real Player but didn't want to add fluff to the list so I sent the > thanks directly to Anton. > > Can I please have input as to what is the custom on this list? > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 14:36:38 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:36:38 -0500 Subject: meeting topic for this month Message-ID: <20040401143638.GF913@smeagol> I've offered to talk about documentation and have yet to hear back from whoever it is that coordinates the TLUG meetings. This was my initial proposal which was sent March 11...I'm still happy to do this presentation (and am already scheduled to give a slightly modified talk to the NewTLUG group). Could someone please confirm with me on whether or not they would like me to give this presentation? I don't mind if the answer is "no", but I'd at least like to get a response back to my offer. ;) I'm currently a technical reviewer (and author) for The Linux Documentation Project. I'm happy to cover the following topics: - doccos: what makes a good technical documentation author, and why you should worship the ground they walk on (ahem) - writing a good HOWTO - markup languages (specifically DocBook XML 4.x) - system configuration for DocBook->HTML and DocBook->PDF transformations - submitting documents to The Linux Documentation Project - other tools your company may want to use for documenting internal processes (specifically Wikis and blogs) thanks, emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 14:45:22 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:45:22 -0500 Subject: Motherboard recommendation? In-Reply-To: <40675B70.9030409-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040321012801.GA2071@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040320204248.B17031@ee.ryerson.ca> <405CF823.2080002@rogers.com> <20040321045645.GA864@node1.opengeometry.net> <405F0CEF.8000704@rogers.com> <20040326203422.GE9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40675B70.9030409@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040401144522.GP9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 06:10:40PM -0500, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > Any word on the P4S800? i have a friend complaining about LAN support on > Redhat 9.0- i'm hoping its only a case of getting a new kernel/updated > drivers etc. Eww, I just realized the S means SiS chipset. Oh well. I believe in intel chipset for intel CPUs, VIA or nVidia chipsets for AMD cpus. The driver you should need is sis900, and at least in the source I have handy (2.6.4) it is listed in the sis900 driver file (VIA 6103 PHY) which matches what Asus lists in the board specifications. So as long as the kernel is new enough (not sure how new a 2.4 kernel you need) it will work with the sis900 driver. RedHat 9 isn't that new anymore. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 14:47:37 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:47:37 -0500 Subject: debian alt+tab equivalent In-Reply-To: <406765DD.6040707-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040326140938.C685E433E@cbbrowne.com> <200403261107.06755.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <406765DD.6040707@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040401144736.GQ9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:55:09PM +0000, Chris Aitken wrote: > Thanks -- it was in there. Alt+Shift+Tab. That just made my life easier. For some reason if you select 'unix style' behaviour in kde, it uses alt+f11 and alt+shift+tab for the window cycling. You can change that in the kde control panel easily. alt+f11 should probably be alt+tab. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 14:50:37 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:50:37 -0500 Subject: Large File Upload In-Reply-To: <4068B6AA.50708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4068B6AA.50708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040401145037.GR9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 06:52:10PM -0500, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > One of my applications involve moving some large file around. I'm > looking for a solution where i can upload large files, typically around > 500MB, the max size should be around 2GB. I'm looking for a web > interface that would allow you to upload a file of that size to a server > where it (the interface) resides. Well PHP file upload handling unfortunately does require that it go into ram first until the entire file is received. Probably a BAD idea. Have a look at the WebDAV upload system (there is a module for apache) which should probably allow you to do what you want, although it does require writing a small client to do the upload (you can't jsut do it with a form and a standard browser). There are plenty of libraries around for perl and such that could allow for a very simple client to be written to do the upload for you using webdav. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 14:51:24 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:51:24 -0500 Subject: Large File Upload In-Reply-To: <4067FAD1.6090603-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <4068B6AA.50708@rogers.com> <4067FAD1.6090603@onlink.net> Message-ID: <20040401145123.GS9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 10:30:41AM +0000, Chris Aitken wrote: > wget How does wget do uploads excactly? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 15:00:16 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:00:16 -0500 Subject: LINE IN device? In-Reply-To: <009701c41749$869eebf0$4a01800a-v1hdsqwqw2fQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <009701c41749$869eebf0$4a01800a@mastec.com> Message-ID: <20040401150016.GT9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:56:42PM -0500, SRB wrote: > How I can find out which device refers to my motherboard's Line Input? I'm > trying to record in Audacity but the default setting is wrong and do not > know how to find out what the proper entry should be. > > I'm using a few different Live CD distros, so would like to be able to learn > how to do it in any Linux distro. > > Thanks in advance for any help! Well I recently read that at least with ALSA drivers, some AC97 onboard sound chips have the ports assigned wrong (they have some option that can toggle them around). I think in general, /dev/dsp is both in and out from a sound card. OF course line in has to be unmuted and turned up in volume (I think) for input to work. Well capturing should at least be set to that port (having it muted so you don't hear what it's recording is probably still a viable option.) If you are not using ALSA drivers, what are you doing playing with sound in Linux? :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 15:01:58 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:01:58 -0500 Subject: running exim mail server In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20040331151215.009e7c20-l9/oolyNyK73oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20040331151215.009e7c20@pop3.ilap.com> Message-ID: <20040401150158.GU9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:32:30PM -0500, dave morton wrote: > I am trying to set up a mail server for internet access. > > Debian, exim 3.35 (woody) > > My firewall rule for port 25: iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p tcp > --dport 25 > > I can retrieve mail remotely from the pop server, but I can't send from > outside hosts. > > Typing 'telnet mycompany.com 25' on a remote computer causes a > 'connection refused' response > Typing 'telnet mycompany.com 25' on the local server allows the connection > ready for transmit/receive > > I have configured eximconfig by answering option #1 (mail service for > internet use) Can you telnet localhost 25 from the mail server itself? Remember some ISPs actively prevent access to anyone elses mail server from users (they must go though the ISP's mail server). Sympatico I believe is one such ISP. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 15:03:04 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:03:04 -0500 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040401062722.76397.qmail-aqc0IV44L2qA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040401100304.5e132f88.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:27:22 -0800 (PST) Mel Seder disseminated the following: > I read a internet page/posting that said a mailing list shouldn't > contain thank you postings. Those should be sent directly to the > person you want to thank so as not to have everyone download posts that > don't really have any interesting or informative content. > > I wanted to thank anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org for posting the command to start > Real Player but didn't want to add fluff to the list so I sent the > thanks directly to Anton. > > Can I please have input as to what is the custom on this list? I would think that it is actually helpful to the list in general when someone posts a 'thanks, that worked', or 'great, that solved my problem'. I find it more annoying when someone posts a question, there are one or more suggestions, then you never find out if one of the suggestions worked, which one it was, etc. It may seem like 'fluff' to some, but the thank you, IMO, holds useful info as well as a polite gesture. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth..." -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 16:22:28 2004 From: dmorton-VBJBm02B4Ag at public.gmane.org (dave morton) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:22:28 -0500 Subject: running exim mail server In-Reply-To: <20040401150158.GU9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20040331151215.009e7c20@pop3.ilap.com> <20040401150158.GU9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <406C41C4.4040102@ilap.com> I am using sympatico/bellnet and late last night came to the conclusion that they are blocking port 25. The easiest next step will be to run a secure mail server (therefore a different port) dave -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 16:36:50 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:36:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040401062722.76397.qmail-aqc0IV44L2qA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > I read a internet page/posting that said a mailing list shouldn't > contain thank you postings. Those should be sent directly to the > person you want to thank so as not to have everyone download posts that > don't really have any interesting or informative content. > ...Can I please have input as to what is the custom on this list? As others have said, you have to distinguish between "thank you" and "that worked; thank you". The former is, indeed, of interest only to the people directly involved. The latter is potentially of interest to the list, and is properly posted there. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 16:37:59 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:37:59 -0700 Subject: And from now on, we will own your keywords In-Reply-To: <1080418695.4644.8.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org> References: <1080418695.4644.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20040401163759.GA98768@idiom.novusordo.net> On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 03:18:16PM -0500, Noah John Gellner wrote: > This recent news raises two main points for me: > 1) Microsoft has been most effective at limiting the openness of > computing and thereby potential for challengers by way of replacing open > standards with Microsoft's proprietary formats. This seems pretty > evident today but I remember an article in Open computing over 10 years > ago which considered the NT approach to the server market as novel. But that's novel from a marketing angle. The technology was old even then. > 2) It would seem to be in the best interests of Microsoft's competitors > to ensure that their products worked with Linux/BSD systems since this > would do most to undermine the main strength of Microsoft's competitive > advantage. I think that one of the biggest challenges facing Linux as a > desktop platform is getting things like Quicktime, Real media, Yahoo > messenger, etc. to work. I know that it can be done, but it is To their credit, Yahoo is actually entirely on the forefront of that matter: http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html RealMedia seems to work well enough last time I installed it (I generally choose to avoid it though, on ALL platforms, as I find it clunky). Real native Quicktime support is a real sore spot, though. That and the fact that iTunes absoulutely refuses to run under WINE (at least it did last I checked online a couple of months ago). > non-trivial and typically uneven in quality. However, there seems to be > little enthusiasm in this direction on behalf of the parties which would > seem to directly benefit the most. Strange. Well, targetting 5-odd Linux platforms with even quality is quite honestly a pretty big order. If they came out with very nice packages for at least two major distros, though, it shouldn't be too hard for the others to make use of (ports trees are wondeful that way). -- taa The means by which we live have outdistanced the ends for which we live. Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. -Martin Luther King, Jr., civil-rights leader (1929-1968) /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 16:54:48 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:54:48 -0700 Subject: RealPlayer 8 In-Reply-To: <20040401052331.64281.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401045524.GA10397@m450> <20040401052331.64281.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040401165448.GB98768@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 09:23:31PM -0800, Mel Seder wrote: > > [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# find / -iname fstab > /etc/fstab > > [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# find / -iname fstab* > find: paths must precede expression > Usage: find [path...] [expression] > [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]# > > I was horsing around with the find command and the "find / -name > fstab*" seemed to blow up but the fist find worked fine. Any idea what > went wrong? The shell is trying to interpret * as a standard wildcard. You should escape it like fstab\* or "fstab*". :) -- taa One atom says to the other: "I just lost an electron!" "Are you sure?" "I'm POSITIVE!" /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 17:04:05 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:04:05 -0500 Subject: running exim mail server In-Reply-To: <406C41C4.4040102-VBJBm02B4Ag@public.gmane.org> References: <5.1.0.14.1.20040331151215.009e7c20@pop3.ilap.com> <20040401150158.GU9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <406C41C4.4040102@ilap.com> Message-ID: <20040401170405.GA23416@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 11:22:28AM -0500, dave morton wrote: > I am using sympatico/bellnet and late last night came to the conclusion > that they are blocking port 25. > The easiest next step will be to run a secure mail server (therefore a > different port) Your conclusion is correct. They have been blocking port 25 outgoing from their customer's sites for years and started blocking port 25 connections incoming to their customer's sites last June. I switched to eol.ca early in July. (It took a couple of weeks because the first time I called sympatico tech support I was assured that they had made no change to their blocking strategy.) Blocking outgoing smtp was no problem, it just meant relaying through their mail server. Blocking incoming smtp broke email to private domain addresses supported by a dynamic IP DNS listing. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 00:02:40 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:02:40 +0000 Subject: business cards in OO 1.1.0 Message-ID: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> Has anyone made business cards in OO? The snag I've hit is populating all ten cards with text. ALthough I'd chosen 2 columns and 5 rows I was getting the two and five, but spread out over two pages. One one page this manifests as card, blank, card, blank, card -- a waste of business card stock. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 17:15:39 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:15:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: meeting topic for this month In-Reply-To: <20040401143638.GF913-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401143638.GF913@smeagol> Message-ID: <20040401171539.55191.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> I would be interested in hearing it. Emma, you can find the right person to contact at the TLUG website. http://tlug.ss.org/ i would prefer it to be held in the TLUG ( U of T campus ). well. just my personal preference. regards, Qiang --- Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > I've offered to talk about documentation and have yet to hear back from > whoever it is that coordinates the TLUG meetings. This was my initial > proposal which was sent March 11...I'm still happy to do this presentation > (and am already scheduled to give a slightly modified talk to the NewTLUG > group). > > Could someone please confirm with me on whether or not they would like me > to give this presentation? I don't mind if the answer is "no", but I'd at > least like to get a response back to my offer. ;) > > I'm currently a technical reviewer (and author) for The Linux > Documentation Project. I'm happy to cover the following topics: > - doccos: what makes a good technical documentation author, and why you > should worship the ground they walk on (ahem) > - writing a good HOWTO > - markup languages (specifically DocBook XML 4.x) > - system configuration for DocBook->HTML and DocBook->PDF > transformations > - submitting documents to The Linux Documentation Project > - other tools your company may want to use for documenting internal > processes (specifically Wikis and blogs) > > thanks, > emma > > -- > Emma Jane Hogbin > [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 17:36:47 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:36:47 -0500 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404011236.48479.jab@muskokatech.ca> I personally find it very usefull to know that a solution actually works. Jeremy On Thursday 01 April 2004 08:23, talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > Hi Mel, > > The most basic rules about list etiquette that I can think of are 1) you > should only send stuff that you think the whole list will be interested in > and 2) related to that, keep it on topic. > > To state it plainly, that means don't post "Thanks!" or "Me, too!" posts > to the list. I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is > 5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade > through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. Anything that lowers the signal to noise > ratio is an irritant. > > Thanks to an individual are no doubt greatly appreciated by the individual > (I can't tell you how many times my butt has been saved by something I > read on a list -- whether or not I started the discussion thread) but they > don't contain much information for the rest of us. > > However (you knew there was going to eb a however, right?) a thank you > sent to the list is appropriate when it summarizes the discussion, perhaps > describing the original question, the various issues raised and the > solutions proposed, and finally describes your chosen approach .. and then > thanks the contributors for their assistance. > > Alex > > ps And, of course, there's Godwin's Law which states that mention of the > name of Germany's leader during WWII immediately ends the thread. And I've > heard similar corollaries for Iraq's ex-leader and the current U.S. > President. > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > > I read a internet page/posting that said a mailing list shouldn't > > contain thank you postings. Those should be sent directly to the > > person you want to thank so as not to have everyone download posts that > > don't really have any interesting or informative content. > > > > I wanted to thank anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org for posting the command to start > > Real Player but didn't want to add fluff to the list so I sent the > > thanks directly to Anton. > > > > Can I please have input as to what is the custom on this list? > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 18:02:37 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:02:37 -0500 Subject: meeting topic for this month In-Reply-To: <20040401171539.55191.qmail-TA4Gc7jPiWaA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401143638.GF913@smeagol> <20040401171539.55191.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040401180237.GE3265@smeagol> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:15:39AM -0800, James wrote: > Emma, you can find the right person to contact at the TLUG website. http://tlug.ss.org/ Actually the person listed on the web site is NOT the right person to contact--I originally emailed the contact listed on the web site but was told they weren't the right person. They forwarded my email onto some other people and I have yet to receive a confirmation back from the other people (because the other people aren't the right people either). (Not to mention the fact that the meeting page appears to be broken right now.) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 19:20:49 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:20:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: meeting topic for this month In-Reply-To: <20040401180237.GE3265-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401180237.GE3265@smeagol> Message-ID: <20040401192049.90768.qmail@web40204.mail.yahoo.com> just making sure we are talking about the same person. from TLUG site. TLUG needs speakers! Bring your [company's] best work - it will be appreciated. Contact Matthew Rice. [matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org] if not, i hope someone on the list will point you to the right information. Qiang. --- Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:15:39AM -0800, James wrote: > > Emma, you can find the right person to contact at the TLUG website. http://tlug.ss.org/ > > Actually the person listed on the web site is NOT the right person to > contact--I originally emailed the contact listed on the web site but was > told they weren't the right person. They forwarded my email onto some > other people and I have yet to receive a confirmation back from the other > people (because the other people aren't the right people either). (Not > to mention the fact that the meeting page appears to be broken right now.) > > emma > > -- > Emma Jane Hogbin > [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 19:21:29 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:21:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: meeting topic for this month In-Reply-To: <20040401180237.GE3265-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401143638.GF913@smeagol> <20040401171539.55191.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> <20040401180237.GE3265@smeagol> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:15:39AM -0800, James wrote: > > Emma, you can find the right person to contact at the TLUG website. http://tlug.ss.org/ > > Actually the person listed on the web site is NOT the right person to > contact--I originally emailed the contact listed on the web site but was > told they weren't the right person. They forwarded my email onto some > other people and I have yet to receive a confirmation back from the other > people (because the other people aren't the right people either). (Not > to mention the fact that the meeting page appears to be broken right now.) I have been confirmed for April 13 by Robert Brockway; this is the topic: ==================================================================== Developing applications with shell scripts: a POP3 client Why shell scripts? A look at the POP3 protocol While writing functions for writing to, and reading from, network sockets notification when mail is on server viewing headers deleting messages retrieving messages etc... the talk will cover many tips and tricks for shell programming. ==================================================================== -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 19:23:38 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:23:38 -0500 Subject: Large File Upload In-Reply-To: <4068B6AA.50708-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4068B6AA.50708@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404011423.38276.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 29 March 2004 18:52, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > One of my applications involve moving some large file around. I'm > looking for a solution where i can upload large files, typically around > 500MB, the max size should be around 2GB. I'm looking for a web > interface that would allow you to upload a file of that size to a server > where it (the interface) resides. Can you use ftp? If it *must* be done through a webpage, the dumb/easy idea that comes to mind would be to have a webpage that logs them into an ftp site. You could use frames, the main frame being the ftp site loaded via a URL like ftp://user:pass-FwOjUtylPr5QFI55V6+gNQ at public.gmane.org/ ... the smaller (menu?) frame would just instruct the user to drag their file into the "Files" area of the page. Besides that, is it possible to just forget the web and use scp, rsync, ftp, ??? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 19:30:04 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:30:04 -0500 Subject: Interesting RFC on protection of copyrights, privacy and other related issues. Message-ID: <20040401193004.GV9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> RFC 3751 seems to be a pretty well written piece on what needs to be taken into account in any software attempting to control intellectual property. URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3751.txt I was hoping for an amusing RFC, although about the most amusing thing about this one, is how impossible it would be to implement it. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 19:32:00 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: meeting topic for this month In-Reply-To: References: <20040401143638.GF913@smeagol> <20040401171539.55191.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> <20040401180237.GE3265@smeagol> Message-ID: <20040401193200.GJ3968@smeagol> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:21:29PM -0500, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > I have been confirmed for April 13 by Robert Brockway; this is the > topic: Great, thanks! :) TLUG: please update your web site to provide the correct contact information re. presentations. Matt is not the current contact person for meetings. And if you decide that you would like to have me present at some point, please drop me an email. In the mean time -- I'll drop the subject. I've more than exhausted myself trying to volunteer to give a presentation. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 20:00:51 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:00:51 -0500 Subject: Linux VS In-Reply-To: <20040401193200.GJ3968-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401193200.GJ3968@smeagol> Message-ID: <009001c41824$0d393a00$6401a8c0@main> Has anyone had experience with LinuxVS? http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ I am considering setting up a dispersed cluster server environment for both high availability and redundancy. Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 20:38:03 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:38:03 -0500 Subject: business cards in OO 1.1.0 In-Reply-To: <406B5C20.9040208-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> Message-ID: <406C7DAB.6020608@rogers.com> I had no problem .... I'll email you my file off-list Tom Legrady Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone made business cards in OO? > > The snag I've hit is populating all ten cards with text. ALthough I'd > chosen 2 columns and 5 rows I was getting the two and five, but spread > out over two pages. One one page this manifests as card, blank, card, > blank, card -- a waste of business card stock. > > Chris > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 20:50:14 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 01 Apr 2004 15:50:14 -0500 Subject: Looking for anti-virus software In-Reply-To: <20040327150641.GN9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1080316468.18377.29.camel@tsx2> <20040327150641.GN9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1080852614.5780.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Thank you Lennart. CLAMAV is now an integral part of my stuff. (I'd already put spamassassin into my app, although it still needs some tweaking.) On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 10:54:28AM -0500, Alan Cohen wrote: > > My Maildir email setup is such that all incoming messages get plopped by > > Exim into a user's folder called "UNSCANNED," each in its own file. It's > > then the responsibility of my code to decide where to move them. > > > > As part of my code, I'd like to have a program which can read the > > message file (each email is in its own file) and return a status code to > > me that indicates that the message does or doesn't contain a virus. > > Something like: $status = `/usr/sbin/viruscheck $file` > > > > Any suggestions on where to find such a program and updates to it? On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 10:06, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I have used mailscanner with exim before to do basically that. Worked > great. Used clamav as the virus scanner, spamassasin for some spam > checks, and mailscanner dealt with gluing it all together. > > Lennart Sorensen -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 21:43:31 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:43:31 -0500 Subject: Redhat 7.3 to Fedora Core 1 migration; canned scripts? Message-ID: <406C8D03.50008@alteeve.com> Hi all, I need to migrate a RH7.3 server to a seperate, new Fedora Core 1 server. Firs tI thought that I would just copy /etc/[passwd|shadow|group|gshadow] but then it occured to me that some system accounts may well be different. So then I decided to write a small perl script that would read the old passwd file and create accounts for any user who's gid was 500 or higher up to 60000. Well, this worked but then I realised that I missed multiple group memberships... So (and so on and so forth). Does anyone know of a canned program or script(s) that would be able to look at an old rh7.3 box and migrate the user data (home dirs, mail, etc)? Am I really doomed to have this task as the first one I ever write a perl script for? ;) Thanks! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 23:27:14 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:27:14 -0500 Subject: Proposal - creating a panel for judging about legal issues Message-ID: <20040401220003.EEA1617C52B@smtp.istop.com> TLUG is not a registered organization. However, according to the Canadian law, though it is not a formal organization, it may be treated as such in certain cases. Also, the voice of its members, speaking on behalf of the organization, though they are not registered officially members, just users of this mailing list, has some legal significance in certain cases. We are here a community. Though informal, we are organized to some extend, and as such we have both the right to express our opinion as a community, and to expect that our voice is treated seriously by official institutions. There are certainly many issues going on in the background. For instance, we may imagine, someone from this list did ask somebody else on this list to work for her from home on programming. But later on she forget to pay for his work. Should we both go to official institutions in that case? Would not it be better to explain and possibly solve the problems first within our own community? To accept (or not) a judgement of a group of people who did volunteer to be involved in such a work on judging? Wouldnt both care for their own reputation? One may imagine many problems on which such a group of volunteers could work. These problems are not limited to issues within our own community. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 22:25:48 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:25:48 -0500 Subject: Proposal - creating a panel for judging about legal issues In-Reply-To: <20040401220003.EEA1617C52B-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401220003.EEA1617C52B@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <20040401222549.3C4CF433A@cbbrowne.com> > There are certainly many issues going on in the background. For > instance, we may imagine, someone from this list did ask somebody else > on this list to work for her from home on programming. But later on > she forget to pay for his work. Should we both go to official > institutions in that case? Would not it be better to explain and > possibly solve the problems first within our own community? To accept > (or not) a judgement of a group of people who did volunteer to be > involved in such a work on judging? Wouldnt both care for their own > reputation? I Am Not A Lawyer, and the notion of trying to set up a "judicial system" within the confines of TLUG would worry me _enormously_. TLUG is not (and cannot be) responsible for the actions of its members, particularly when "membership" is fairly loosely defined. The only reason why it _might_ make sense to have some sort of "ombudsman group" or "pseudo-judiciary" or a "TLUG Star Chamber" ;-) would be if there was a high frequency of these sorts of disputes, and hence both some internal competency in dealing with such disputes, and some measurable value in keeping them from getting to the traditional legal system. "We may imagine" that people might contract to do work, and then not live up to the contract. It doesn't make sense to start a "pseudo-judiciary" when that is merely an _imagined_ situation. It would only make sense if this was in fact happening quite frequently. And were that the case, what would make even more sense would be to either informally "shun" those that were guilty of such activity, or to more formally drop such members from the membership rolls. -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "cbbrowne.com") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lisp.html "The main difference between an amateur crypto designer and a used car salesman is that the used car salesman can probably drive and knows when he's lying." -- An Metet -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 23:21:48 2004 From: pking123-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Paul King) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:21:48 -0500 Subject: RSS Protocol? Message-ID: <406C5DBC.16657.2B4035@localhost> I am interested in learning more on the RSS protocol, particularly any protocol advertising itself as GPL (I am aware there is more than one RSS protocol at this time). I am interested in writing my own source at this time. However, if there is existing source out there that anyone is aware of, please bring it up. The purpose would be for the downloading of newsfeeds, not "blogging". Paul King ========================================================= Paul King http://www3.sympatico.ca/pking123/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 23:24:48 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:24:48 -0500 Subject: RSS Protocol? In-Reply-To: <406C5DBC.16657.2B4035-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <406C5DBC.16657.2B4035@localhost> Message-ID: <200404011824.48617.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 01 April 2004 18:21, Paul King wrote: > I am interested in learning more on the RSS protocol, particularly any > protocol advertising itself as GPL (I am aware there is more than one RSS > protocol at this time). I am interested in writing my own source at this > time. However, if there is existing source out there that anyone is aware > of, please bring it up. Here are a few that come from searching debian packages: multiticker - GNOME applet to provide scrolling RDF/RSS news tickers ctrlproxy - An IRC proxy with multiserver support libapache-mod-index-rss - Output RSS indexes of website content libxml-rss-perl - Perl module for managing RSS (RDF Site Summary) files liferea - RSS News Aggregator for GNOME2 raggle - Console RSS aggregator rss2email - receive RSS feeds by email snownews - Text mode RSS newsreader straw - A GNOME RSS (weblog) aggregator toursst - RSS channel news items where you want them dcoprss - KDE RSS utilities librss1-dev - KDE RSS library [development] -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 1 23:30:57 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:30:57 -0500 Subject: business cards in OO 1.1.0 In-Reply-To: <406C7DAB.6020608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> <406C7DAB.6020608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <406CA631.7010500@sympatico.ca> Likewise, no problems with File -> New -> Business Cards, and Avery 05371 stock. My printer has a particularly small printable area, and for some reason OO likes to apply that to the internal card area. Thus I have to have an, um, daring use of whitespace. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 00:00:51 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:00:51 -0500 Subject: Modifying key bindings in xfwm4 In-Reply-To: <406B657D.9000908-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40636C78.9070808@truxtar.com> <20040326104906.6f012f48.joehill@sympatico.ca> <406B657D.9000908@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040401190051.50c0715d.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:42:37 -0500 Anton Markov disseminated the following: > I have another question: How can I set xmodmap to read and execute my > .xmodmaprc file when I launch XFCE4 (or any other window manager)? Just got this off the ROX list: apparently, you can create a ~/.xfce4/xinitrc file to start programs with XFCE. This should work if you use xfce4-session/gdm to log in. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." -- Karl Marx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 01:51:14 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:51:14 -0500 Subject: Anyone going to Linux World? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406CC712.4000708@pcsecurityonline.com> Jim W Lai wrote: >I signed up for this and got an email with a registration number. I expect >to pick up my badge at the event where they print it up on the spot. This >was the case at WiFiPower a few weeks ago. From my nonrepresentative sample >experience, events have been opting for not mailing out badges anymore in >order to cut costs and reduce waste. > >Jim > >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Gary Layng wrote: > > >>I've signed up and gotten faxed/e-mailed receipts, but not that long ago. >>Maybe they're going to have a mass mail-out on April 5th or 6th, or >>something. >> >>On March 30, 2004 09:24 am, SRB wrote: >> >> >>>Are there any people here going to Linux World? I faxed in my application >>>almost exactly 1 month ago today and still have not received my pass. Has >>>anyone else? >>> >>> > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > Got my badge in the mail today. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 02:27:38 2004 From: shijialee-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (James) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:27:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Anyone going to Linux World? In-Reply-To: <406CC712.4000708-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <406CC712.4000708@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <20040402022738.90421.qmail@web40206.mail.yahoo.com> are you talking about the Real World Linux Conference ? I signed up the free registration, trade show only. and got the confirmation number right away. Qiang. --- Jason Shein wrote: > Jim W Lai wrote: > > >I signed up for this and got an email with a registration number. I expect > >to pick up my badge at the event where they print it up on the spot. This > >was the case at WiFiPower a few weeks ago. From my nonrepresentative sample > >experience, events have been opting for not mailing out badges anymore in > >order to cut costs and reduce waste. > > > >Jim > > > >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004, Gary Layng wrote: > > > > > >>I've signed up and gotten faxed/e-mailed receipts, but not that long ago. > >>Maybe they're going to have a mass mail-out on April 5th or 6th, or > >>something. > >> > >>On March 30, 2004 09:24 am, SRB wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Are there any people here going to Linux World? I faxed in my application > >>>almost exactly 1 month ago today and still have not received my pass. Has > >>>anyone else? > >>> > >>> > > > >-- > >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > > Got my badge in the mail today. > > -- > " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, > And decide to replace them with something stronger" > (o_ > //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation > V_/_ Jason Shein > Linux Registered User #281100 > jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 09:45:54 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:45:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: business cards in OO 1.1.0 In-Reply-To: <406B5C20.9040208-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Chris Aitken wrote: > Has anyone made business cards in OO? > > The snag I've hit is populating all ten cards with text. ALthough I'd > chosen 2 columns and 5 rows I was getting the two and five, but spread > out over two pages. One one page this manifests as card, blank, card, > blank, card -- a waste of business card stock. I haven't tried this but I have a hunch: check if the paper size and the card widths tally. I.e. if the card width * 2 + whatever margins are set are wider than the current printable width then it should do what you describe. You can prevent it by setting the margins very narrow and/or lying about the paper width. The latter may cause the printer to do strange things. This is not limited to OO afaik. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 09:47:38 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:47:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: Interesting RFC on protection of copyrights, privacy and other related issues. In-Reply-To: <20040401193004.GV9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401193004.GV9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > RFC 3751 seems to be a pretty well written piece on what needs to be > taken into account in any software attempting to control intellectual > property. > > URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3751.txt > > I was hoping for an amusing RFC, although about the most amusing thing > about this one, is how impossible it would be to implement it. :) Encode everything using unbreakable ciphers and delete the key and all copies ? ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 11:50:37 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:50:37 -0500 Subject: Anyone going to Linux World? In-Reply-To: <406A06B2.6060301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <008701c41662$c8d1df60$4a01800a@mastec.com> <406A06B2.6060301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <406D538D.8000102@rogers.com> James Knott wrote: > SRB wrote: > >> Are there any people here going to Linux World? I faxed in my application >> almost exactly 1 month ago today and still have not received my pass. Has >> anyone else? >> >> Another question is regarding how beneficial this is to a relative newbie >> (meaning me being relatively new to linux, not that I have a relative >> who is >> a newbie... :-) ). >> >> Just wondering... thanks. > > > I applied on the web site, and received my confirmation almost 2 months > ago. I received my name tag in the mail yesterday. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 2 14:39:40 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:39:40 -0500 Subject: meeting topic for this month Message-ID: I remembered Herb had announced on March's NewTLUG that next month's (April) topic will be DOCs held in Seneca College. Email him regarding the schedule. -----Original Message----- From: Emma Jane Hogbin [mailto:emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org] Sent: April 1, 2004 1:03 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: meeting topic for this month On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:15:39AM -0800, James wrote: > Emma, you can find the right person to contact at the TLUG website. http://tlug.ss.org/ Actually the person listed on the web site is NOT the right person to contact--I originally emailed the contact listed on the web site but was told they weren't the right person. They forwarded my email onto some other people and I have yet to receive a confirmation back from the other people (because the other people aren't the right people either). (Not to mention the fact that the meeting page appears to be broken right now.) emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 3 15:04:48 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:04:48 -0500 Subject: serial mouse under knoppix ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040403150448.GE30854@paip.net> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:07:20PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > I have a problem with a serial mouse under knoppix. The mouse is on ttyS1. > It requires expert startup and configuring (including XF86Config) but then > it does not work. While in X11 the config is the right one and shows the > mouse as serial on ttyS1. The pointer is frozen in the screen center. > Setting the same settings in gpm in a console works perfectly (mouse > works, all is well). It's a plain ms protocol serial mouse with 3 buttons. > Any ideas ? Do you have gpm running (in another console) *while* X is running? If so, that's likely your problem. Kill gpm and see if that makes X start working. [Only one process can be reading the data coming back from a serial port. If it's gpm, it's not X.] If that's indeed your problem, look up the "repeater" functionality of gpm, and set X to use /dev/gpmdata instead of /dev/ttyS1. Then both gpm and X should work at the same time. - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 3 16:52:00 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: serial mouse under knoppix ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040403165159.GW9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:07:20PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I have a problem with a serial mouse under knoppix. The mouse is on ttyS1. > It requires expert startup and configuring (including XF86Config) but then > it does not work. While in X11 the config is the right one and shows the > mouse as serial on ttyS1. The pointer is frozen in the screen center. > Setting the same settings in gpm in a console works perfectly (mouse > works, all is well). It's a plain ms protocol serial mouse with 3 buttons. > Any ideas ? There is actually no such thing as a 'ms protocol 3 button mouse' at least not serial. The ms serial protocol only allowed for 2 buttons in general, although logitech did something to the protocol to allow their mice to run 3 buttons with logitech's driver. Most 3 button serial mice either have a switch to select MS (2 button) or MouseSystems (3 button) protocol. Those without a switch would often default to MS but could be switched to MouseSystems mode either by holding the left button on power on (or when connecting the mouse if already on), in which case the mousesystems option in gpm would allow for 3 buttons. Some also could be switched with gpm using the RTS/CTS signals on the serial port. If both gpm and X are configured for ms protocol (not ms3 or anything fancy) then they should work (unless they don't want to share). Using the gpm repeater pretty much always works. You configure X to use /dev/gpmdata and add the -R option to gpm, and set the repeater protocol to whatever you set X to use as protocol (ms3 (serial intellimouse) seems to be one of the ones that work well in gpm for repeating.) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 3 18:07:21 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:07:21 -0500 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail Message-ID: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> I would like to activate the fortune plug-in for Squirrelmail (sm). However, after setting sm up to use fortune I get a error "/usr/games/fortune" not found. I did ln -s /usr/bin/fortune /usr/games/fortune, and restarted sm, but still have the problem. Any ideas? Cheers, Noah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 03:00:26 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:00:26 -0500 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:23:14 -0500 (EST) talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org disseminated the following: > I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is > 5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade > through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. LOL! That's just my spam count for the day... joehill-ZIJyqw/fGic at public.gmane.org:~>$grep -c "03 Apr" ~/logs/deleted.log 58 joehill-ZIJyqw/fGic at public.gmane.org:~>$grep -c "02 Apr" ~/logs/deleted.log 62 joehill-ZIJyqw/fGic at public.gmane.org:~>$grep -c "01 Apr" ~/logs/deleted.log 55 joehill-ZIJyqw/fGic at public.gmane.org:~>$grep -c "31 Mar" ~/logs/deleted.log 113 ...and that's only what Mailfilter caught, procmail (too lazy to figure out how to grep my procmail log...) probably adds another 10 or 20 a day that I don't see, and then there's the few that get through. Noticed it really spike there around end of March, seems to be dropping off now, praise be. What would that command be, anyway, for the procmail log? I tried: joehill-ZIJyqw/fGic at public.gmane.org:~>$grep -c "Mar 31" `grep /dev/null -C 1 ~/Procmail/pmlog` -bash: /bin/grep: Argument list too long -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." -- George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 03:18:07 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:18:07 -0500 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040404031807.GA1054@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:00:26PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:23:14 -0500 (EST) > talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org disseminated the following: > > > I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is > > 5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade > > through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. > > LOL! That's just my spam count for the day... That's nothing. Try 1Mb/hour/account... now, that's spam! -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution for data processing and document management. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 03:35:40 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:35:40 -0500 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040404031807.GA1054-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040404031807.GA1054@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040403223540.4c2b8683.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:18:07 -0500 William Park disseminated the following: > > LOL! That's just my spam count for the day... > > That's nothing. Try 1Mb/hour/account... now, that's spam! Ay Caramba! Ya, but you been on the 'Net since what, the 70's or something? /joehill ducks ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Or ... "He has weapons of mass destruction -- the world's deadliest weapons -- which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies." One of those lies got a president impeached. -- Michael Moore -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 06:25:17 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:25:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Jim W Lai | I ran across this when searching for stuff on "Red Flag Linux": | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040222/news_mz1b22china.html Do you trust an article that claims VHS was a European standard? VHS was developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation), based (I've been told) on Sony work that predated Beta. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 06:30:34 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:30:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Knoppix 3.4? In-Reply-To: <008301c41744$fc0c3550$4a01800a-v1hdsqwqw2fQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <008301c41744$fc0c3550$4a01800a@mastec.com> Message-ID: | From: SRB | > I need 3.4 specifically, because it allows one to boot with a 2.6.3 kernel. | | Have you tried Overclockix? http://overclockix.octeams.com/ | | It will allow you to boot with kernel 2.6.1 (boot: "knopppix26") in case | that might help you. I've used it a bit and like it a little better than | Knoppix 3.3. Interesting. Could you give us a more detailed review / comparison? Isn't 2.6.1 seriously outdated? Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 PS: It's a good idea to keep lines shorter than 75 columns. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 06:50:12 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:50:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: USB-flash Swiss Army knife In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: | From: Henry Spencer | Details of the Victorinox USB-flash-drive Swiss Army knife can now be | found on www.victorinox.com. I don't like the idea of bundling something as ephemeral as a USB-flash-drive in something as long lasting as a Swiss Army Knife. I've carried the SAK in my pocket for over 25 years. I expect one would want to replace a USB drive a whole bunch of times in that period. | One useful feature that wasn't clear from the press release is that the | flash "blade" is removable, Maybe you will be able to upgrade the memory without discarding the knife | And there is a fascist-friendly version which deletes the knife, nailfile, | and scissors so you can take it on a plane, maybe. I almost lost mine in a US airport (forgot to put it in checked luggage). I ran back and mailed it to myself; almost missed the plane. (I recollect Ruth (Henry's S. O.) had a sharp object (Swiss Army Knife?) confiscated at an airport on or about 2001 Sept 13 even though it was in checked baggage.) Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 13:33:30 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 09:33:30 -0400 Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40700EAA.3090801@rogers.com> D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Jim W Lai > > | I ran across this when searching for stuff on "Red Flag Linux": > | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040222/news_mz1b22china.html > > Do you trust an article that claims VHS was a European standard? VHS was > developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation), based (I've been told) on > Sony work that predated Beta. I noticed that too. I get suspicious, when I see errors like that in an article or book. As I recall, the reason VHS won out, was due to longer recording times available in their cassettes. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 15:05:13 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:05:13 -0500 Subject: business cards in OO 1.1.0 In-Reply-To: <406CA631.7010500-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> <406C7DAB.6020608@rogers.com> <406CA631.7010500@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404041105.13850.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello all, Regarding the business card discussion, you might find it worthwhile to check out the OOExtras website (www.ooextras.org). Lots of templates for a variety of things including business cards, CD labels, and other fun stuff. It's a handy site given that there are so few templates included with OpenOffice. I also wrote an article on that topic explaining how and where to install the templates at the following URL. http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=169676 Hope that helps. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 3 12:51:55 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:51:55 -0500 Subject: KDE Menus Message-ID: <200404030751.55965.jab@muskokatech.ca> Does anyone know how KDE determines what should be in the K menu? I have found lots of .desktop files under /usr/share/applications, and I have found lots of .directory files under /usr/share/desktop-menu-files. The reason I ask this, is that I no longer have anything in my K menu. The applications section has no entries. Also, if I try to run kcontrol from the command line, it has no modules listed - ie the left pane is empty. Any help would be appreciated. I am running FC1 with KDE 3.2.1 Jeremy -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 19:55:13 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 15:55:13 -0400 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040404155306.02d05ab0@mail.interlog.com> At 09:23 AM 04/01/2004, Alex wrote: >The most basic rules about list etiquette that I can think of are 1) you >should only send stuff that you think the whole list will be interested in >and 2) related to that, keep it on topic. The other basic mailing list etiquette is to edit out the parts of the message that don't help maintain the context of the message you are replying to. It helps keep the size of messages to a minimum and helps those who get mailing list messages in digest form. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 20:10:38 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner Message-ID: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to get a CD-ROM/DVD burner so that I only have to make a one install disk for a FEDORA CORE 2 installation. Does anyone running Red Hat have a suggestion to make? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 21:57:31 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:57:31 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040404201038.60943.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@Pittland> I suggest an LG DVD-RW drive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked like a charm for me for all media like DVD-RAM, DVD+-R/RW and CD-R/RW. Never had a single problem and it's rated one of the best performing drives. Plus I have seen this drive for as low as $123.00 now at Logic Computer warehouse. Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for mine not more than 6 weeks ago. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Mel Seder Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:11 PM To: TLUG Subject: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner I'd like to get a CD-ROM/DVD burner so that I only have to make a one install disk for a FEDORA CORE 2 installation. Does anyone running Red Hat have a suggestion to make? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mreategui-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 22:09:14 2004 From: mreategui-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Miguel Reategui) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:09:14 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner References: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@Pittland> Message-ID: <001401c41a91$7ac16010$1a1d9c18@miguel> Hi , I have one for sale, like new, refurbished. I was thinking in putting it on ebay (Asking CDN 150). Also, I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 starting at CDN 320.00. Some links about it: Review: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html Downloadable Software : http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ If someone is interested, please let me know during the week in a private email. Thanks, Miguel ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanG" To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner > I suggest an LG DVD-RW drive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked like a > charm for me for all media like DVD-RAM, DVD+-R/RW and CD-R/RW. Never had a > single problem and it's rated one of the best performing drives. Plus I have > seen this drive for as low as $123.00 now at Logic Computer warehouse. > Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for mine not more than 6 weeks ago. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 23:12:18 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-TT6DhwBVY24@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@Pittland> Message-ID: <20040404231218.80196.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated. Mel --- DaDanGdgdgennogers.com> wrote: > I suggest an LG DVDVDWRWrive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked > like a > charm for me for all media like DVDVDAM, DVDVDR/RWRWnd CD-R/RWRWNever > had a > single problem and it's rated one of the best performing drives. Plus > I have > seen this drive for as low as $123.00 now at Logic Computer > warehouse. > Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for mine not more than 6 weeks ago. > ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 23:14:37 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 16:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <001401c41a91$7ac16010$1a1d9c18-ZFsNVIywCYQ@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c41a91$7ac16010$1a1d9c18@miguel> Message-ID: <20040404231437.1952.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for responding to my post :-) --- Miguel Reategui wrote: > Hi , > I have one for sale, like new, refurbished. I was thinking in putting > it on > ebay (Asking CDN 150). > Also, I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 starting at CDN 320.00. Some > links about > it: > Review: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2134869242.html > Downloadable Software : > http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ > > If someone is interested, please let me know during the week in a > private > email. > > Thanks, > Miguel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DanG" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:57 PM > Subject: RE: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner > > > > I suggest an LG DVD-RW drive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked > like a > > charm for me for all media like DVD-RAM, DVD+-R/RW and CD-R/RW. > Never had > a > > single problem and it's rated one of the best performing drives. > Plus I > have > > seen this drive for as low as $123.00 now at Logic Computer > warehouse. > > Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for mine not more than 6 weeks > ago. > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 23:40:55 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan/ZEE4) Date: 04 Apr 2004 19:40:55 -0400 Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081122055.2090.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Interesting article, right up to that point :) Zoltan On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 01:25, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Jim W Lai > > | I ran across this when searching for stuff on "Red Flag Linux": > | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040222/news_mz1b22china.html > > Do you trust an article that claims VHS was a European standard? VHS was > developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation), based (I've been told) on > Sony work that predated Beta. > > Hugh Redelmeier > hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 23:49:51 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan/ZEE4) Date: 04 Apr 2004 19:49:51 -0400 Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: <40700EAA.3090801-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40700EAA.3090801@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1081122591.2090.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> That's what I heard too, basically you could fit a whole movie onto one VHS tape while it took 2 beta tapes. I think later on beta tapes where able to do this, but by then VHS had taken the lead. Also, Sony didn't licence the Beta format while JVC did. This article is the first time I've ever heard anyone say VHS was an European invention. Perhaps the writer though it would make China's move sound more sinister to an American audience? :) It's more common to mix-up beta (the home VCR format) with beta tapes (still?) used in the broadcast industry. Zoltan On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 09:33, James Knott wrote: > D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > > | From: Jim W Lai > > > > | I ran across this when searching for stuff on "Red Flag Linux": > > | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040222/news_mz1b22china.html > > > > Do you trust an article that claims VHS was a European standard? VHS was > > developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation), based (I've been told) on > > Sony work that predated Beta. > > I noticed that too. I get suspicious, when I see errors like that in an > article or book. As I recall, the reason VHS won out, was due to longer > recording times available in their cassettes. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 02:30:03 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:30:03 -0400 Subject: 802.11b cardbus card for gentoo? Message-ID: <4070C4AB.2080400@sympatico.ca> Bought an SMC 2435W 802.11b notebook card in error today. Any recommendations, please, for a wireless notebook adaptor that plays well with pre-2.6 linux kernels? thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 02:41:05 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:41:05 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com-TT6DhwBVY24@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404215643.TRXY138614.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@Pittland> Message-ID: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD@cbbrowne.com> > -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Mel Seder >> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:11 PM >> To: TLUG >> Subject: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner >> >> I'd like to get a CD-ROM/DVD burner so that I only have to make a one >> install disk for a FEDORA CORE 2 installation. >> >> Does anyone running Red Hat have a suggestion to make? > I suggest an LG DVD-RW drive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked > like a charm for me for all media like DVD-RAM, DVD+-R/RW and > CD-R/RW. Never had a single problem and it's rated one of the best > performing drives. Plus I have seen this drive for as low as $123.00 > now at Logic Computer warehouse. Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for > mine not more than 6 weeks ago. I can't see this having much if anything to do with the distribution you're running. The adoption of generic ATA/IDE interfacing for CD and DVD drives means that if they are using ATA/IDE interfaces, it is highly probable that it'll "just work." http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/dvd.html http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ I have had good success with multiple models of Pioneer DVD writers. There is something of a known problem with some LG drives... http://lwn.net/Articles/55537/ LG has apparently implemented something that doesn't comply with ATAPI standards, so there is a risk of destroying the drive if you send the wrong commands to it... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/wp.html "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months." -- Oscar Wilde -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jwtlai-Xhj3G7Rj6JI at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 04:23:33 2004 From: jwtlai-Xhj3G7Rj6JI at public.gmane.org (Jim W Lai) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > | From: Jim W Lai > > | I ran across this when searching for stuff on "Red Flag Linux": > | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040222/news_mz1b22china.html > > Do you trust an article that claims VHS was a European standard? VHS was > developed by JVC (Japanese Victor Corporation), based (I've been told) on > Sony work that predated Beta. I'd chalk it up to European ethnocentrism, no different than saying VHS is an American standard because it's dominant in the US consumer market. And ignorance of the VHS/Beta war. I'd also wager the piece was lifted from a European source. The points regarding China still remain valid IMO. They're not into open source for altruistic reasons. They seek to containing outflows of capital, and relying on open and homegrown IP is part of that effort. Jim -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 08:20:26 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:20:26 +0200 (IST) Subject: serial mouse under knoppix ? In-Reply-To: <20040403165159.GW9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040403165159.GW9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:07:20PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > I have a problem with a serial mouse under knoppix. The mouse is on ttyS1. > > It requires expert startup and configuring (including XF86Config) but then > > it does not work. While in X11 the config is the right one and shows the > > mouse as serial on ttyS1. The pointer is frozen in the screen center. > > Setting the same settings in gpm in a console works perfectly (mouse > > works, all is well). It's a plain ms protocol serial mouse with 3 buttons. > > Any ideas ? > > There is actually no such thing as a 'ms protocol 3 button mouse' at > least not serial. The ms serial protocol only allowed for 2 buttons in I must have had triple vision for about 10 years then. > general, although logitech did something to the protocol to allow their > mice to run 3 buttons with logitech's driver. Most 3 button serial mice > either have a switch to select MS (2 button) or MouseSystems (3 button) This is no longer the case. gpm works with this mouse (with 3 buttons) with the ms setting. M$ DID provide room in the protocol for three buttons but "wisely" decided that two buttons are enough. Thus they had an edge on the mac (only 1 button), and remained incompatible with X11 (requires 3 buttons). Shooting oneself in the foot twice so to speak. > protocol. Those without a switch would often default to MS but could be > switched to MouseSystems mode either by holding the left button on power > on (or when connecting the mouse if already on), in which case the > mousesystems option in gpm would allow for 3 buttons. Some also could > be switched with gpm using the RTS/CTS signals on the serial port. > > If both gpm and X are configured for ms protocol (not ms3 or anything > fancy) then they should work (unless they don't want to share). Using > the gpm repeater pretty much always works. You configure X to use > /dev/gpmdata and add the -R option to gpm, and set the repeater protocol > to whatever you set X to use as protocol (ms3 (serial intellimouse) > seems to be one of the ones that work well in gpm for repeating.) I will try this but it's a hack. I'm pretty sure the X server does not like something about the mouse or the machine because the same machine runs another version of Linux and there the X11 runs fine with that mouse. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 08:15:32 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:15:32 +0200 (IST) Subject: serial mouse under knoppix ? In-Reply-To: <20040403150448.GE30854-cOjNTMaGA5U@public.gmane.org> References: <20040403150448.GE30854@paip.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, Ian Goldberg wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 12:07:20PM +0200, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > I have a problem with a serial mouse under knoppix. The mouse is on ttyS1. > > It requires expert startup and configuring (including XF86Config) but then > > it does not work. While in X11 the config is the right one and shows the > > mouse as serial on ttyS1. The pointer is frozen in the screen center. > > Setting the same settings in gpm in a console works perfectly (mouse > > works, all is well). It's a plain ms protocol serial mouse with 3 buttons. > > Any ideas ? > > Do you have gpm running (in another console) *while* X is running? If > so, that's likely your problem. Kill gpm and see if that makes X start > working. [Only one process can be reading the data coming back from a > serial port. If it's gpm, it's not X.] > > If that's indeed your problem, look up the "repeater" functionality of > gpm, and set X to use /dev/gpmdata instead of /dev/ttyS1. Then both gpm > and X should work at the same time. I started and stopped gpm separately while X11 was running. I know about the repeater/single mouse problem. I will try to tell X11 to use the repeater device but in my experience this is not always a good idea. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 4 08:22:30 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 10:22:30 +0200 (IST) Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040404031807.GA1054-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040404031807.GA1054@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:00:26PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:23:14 -0500 (EST) > > talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org disseminated the following: > > > > > I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is > > > 5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade > > > through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. > > > > LOL! That's just my spam count for the day... > > That's nothing. Try 1Mb/hour/account... now, that's spam! You HAVE to find a way to filter the feed. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 11:43:23 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:43:23 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040404201038.60943.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404050743.23325.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 04 April 2004 16:10, Mel Seder wrote: > I'd like to get a CD-ROM/DVD burner so that I only have to make a one > install disk for a FEDORA CORE 2 installation. It depends on whether you want cheap or good. If you want the best I would suggest the Plextor 708A. The plextor is still pretty expensive compared to most other drives but I think it's worth paying for the quality. I've seen it advertised around 250 CDN recently, once it hits 200 I'm buying, There is a writeup about the Plextor on Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=1864&p=1). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 12:24:12 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:24:12 -0400 Subject: Mount error 22 noatime In-Reply-To: <200404050743.23325.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <407117AC.6752.F0BA788@localhost> I started my notebook (Toshiba) which is dual boot with Win98 and Mandrake 8.2. For no good reason Mandrake can't find root...?? Receiving error: mount error 22, mounting ext3, noatime Anyone experience this? Solutions? Thanks RickT -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 13:03:57 2004 From: ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Nick Davey) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:03:57 -0400 Subject: 802.11b cardbus card for gentoo? In-Reply-To: <4070C4AB.2080400-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4070C4AB.2080400@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4071593D.8080705@cogeco.ca> Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Bought an SMC 2435W 802.11b notebook card in error today. Any > recommendations, please, for a wireless notebook adaptor that plays > well with pre-2.6 linux kernels? > > thanks, > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > Best thing I can suggest is what I have and what I've seen working, and that is the Linksys WPC11, revision 2! It cannot be revision 3, they do not work. Also, the Dlink 802.11b cards apparently work with the madwifi drivers, but thats only what I've heard. Nick -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 13:38:29 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:38:29 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <200404050743.23325.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> <200404050743.23325.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040405133829.GX9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 07:43:23AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > It depends on whether you want cheap or good. If you want the best I would > suggest the Plextor 708A. The plextor is still pretty expensive compared to > most other drives but I think it's worth paying for the quality. I've seen > it advertised around 250 CDN recently, once it hits 200 I'm buying, > > There is a writeup about the Plextor on Anandtech > (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=1864&p=1). We just got one at work last week, and it works great so far. You can even do firmware updates under linux (try that with most other brands). :) Pioneer would be my other choice (given they did invent one of the writeable DVD formats and seem to make some of the best DVD readers). Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 14:39:12 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:39:12 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... Message-ID: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> Hi all, I am officially stumped... I have tried two rescue discs (SysRescCD and PLD Rescue) as well and my Fedora Core 1 install disk using 'linux rescue' in an attempt to backup the FC1 root partition so that I can reformat it as ReiserFS and then restore it. When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen as the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or resource is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off the CD). When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted but then I can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure that the rescue CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). Under Fedora the devices I need to mount are on: /dev/VG00/LV00 = '/' (currently ext3) /dev/VG00/LV01 = '/backup' (reiserfs) /dev/VG00/LV02 = '/snapshot' (reiserfs) Under the two rescue CDs though there is no '/dev/VG00...'. Where would I find those partitions? I tried looking under '/dev/' but the only thing relevant I could find was '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/' and there was no sign of the LVM partitions (nor under variants like 'bus1', etc.). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 15:11:01 2004 From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: | From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org | There is something of a known problem with some LG drives... | http://lwn.net/Articles/55537/ | | LG has apparently implemented something that doesn't comply with ATAPI | standards, so there is a risk of destroying the drive if you send the | wrong commands to it... That problem is just with LG CD-ROM drives (not *-writers) and even then there is a firmware update. LG implemented a firmware write command, but chose the ATAPI buffer-flush command to encode it -- after all, who would flush a write buffer on a read-only device? Smart thinking. I believe this actually violates the ATAPI spec. If you kill your CD-ROM, it is too late to apply the firmware update. If you have an LG CD-ROM, go to their website to get an update before you get bitten. Should be somewhere in http://ca.lgservice.com/ (a .jsp hell). ================ I have an LG DVD writer (4x, +/-) but I don't have enough experience to judge it or compare it. If you look, you can find the 8x version for ~$130 -- cheap enough that I will probably never again buy a CD-writer. If I remember correctly, the firmware update is distributed in a form that requires MS Windows to unpack it, then DOS to install it. The DOS part I accept, but the MS Windows requirement is gratuitous. The retail version comes bundled with MS Windows software; I don't know about the OEM package. The software is not very mainstream. I'm not sure if it is any good. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 15:19:50 2004 From: Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA at public.gmane.org (Phillip Qin) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:19:50 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner Message-ID: I have a LG 4040b DVD-burner too. It poorly supports some of the blank medias, e.g. it won't burn no-name blank DVDs at 4X. I stuck with Princo and Ritek, which are pretty expansive. -----Original Message----- From: D. Hugh Redelmeier [mailto:hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: April 5, 2004 11:11 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner | From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org | There is something of a known problem with some LG drives... | http://lwn.net/Articles/55537/ | | LG has apparently implemented something that doesn't comply with ATAPI | standards, so there is a risk of destroying the drive if you send the | wrong commands to it... That problem is just with LG CD-ROM drives (not *-writers) and even then there is a firmware update. LG implemented a firmware write command, but chose the ATAPI buffer-flush command to encode it -- after all, who would flush a write buffer on a read-only device? Smart thinking. I believe this actually violates the ATAPI spec. If you kill your CD-ROM, it is too late to apply the firmware update. If you have an LG CD-ROM, go to their website to get an update before you get bitten. Should be somewhere in http://ca.lgservice.com/ (a .jsp hell). ================ I have an LG DVD writer (4x, +/-) but I don't have enough experience to judge it or compare it. If you look, you can find the 8x version for ~$130 -- cheap enough that I will probably never again buy a CD-writer. If I remember correctly, the firmware update is distributed in a form that requires MS Windows to unpack it, then DOS to install it. The DOS part I accept, but the MS Windows requirement is gratuitous. The retail version comes bundled with MS Windows software; I don't know about the OEM package. The software is not very mainstream. I'm not sure if it is any good. Hugh Redelmeier hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org voice: +1 416 482-8253 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists3-8OOxOvJoDXDLSf97qRSy8VAUjnlXr6A1 at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 15:28:45 2004 From: lists3-8OOxOvJoDXDLSf97qRSy8VAUjnlXr6A1 at public.gmane.org (Sergio Salvi) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:28:45 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <40716F90.2020609-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> Hi! It looks like you don't have the /dev/VG00* entries, right? I'm not a Linux LVM expert, but as you said your kernel does support LVM, just create the devices manually using mknod. First boot with LVM working, ls -la /dev/VG00 and write down the major and minor numbers, including the type of them (block devices, probably). Then boot with your rescue CDs and mknod'em like this: mknod LV00 b 111 222 Hope that helps! []s, Sergio Salvi. Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > I am officially stumped... I have tried two rescue discs (SysRescCD > and PLD Rescue) as well and my Fedora Core 1 install disk using 'linux > rescue' in an attempt to backup the FC1 root partition so that I can > reformat it as ReiserFS and then restore it. > > When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen as > the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or resource > is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off the CD). > When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted but then I > can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure that the rescue > CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). > > Under Fedora the devices I need to mount are on: > > /dev/VG00/LV00 = '/' (currently ext3) > /dev/VG00/LV01 = '/backup' (reiserfs) > /dev/VG00/LV02 = '/snapshot' (reiserfs) > > Under the two rescue CDs though there is no '/dev/VG00...'. Where > would I find those partitions? I tried looking under '/dev/' but the > only thing relevant I could find was '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/' > and there was no sign of the LVM partitions (nor under variants like > 'bus1', etc.). > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Madison > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 15:30:51 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:30:51 -0400 Subject: list etiquette In-Reply-To: <20040404031807.GA1054-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040401062722.76397.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> <20040403220026.4a023e12.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040404031807.GA1054@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <40717BAB.804@sympatico.ca> William Park wrote: >On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 10:00:26PM -0500, JoeHill wrote: > > >>On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:23:14 -0500 (EST) >>talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org disseminated the following: >> >> >> >>>I'm on a couple of lists, and because my E-Mail address is >>>5-6 years old it is on several spammers lists, so I typically have to wade >>>through 50-100 E-Mails in a day. >>> >>> >>LOL! That's just my spam count for the day... >> >> > >That's nothing. Try 1Mb/hour/account... now, that's spam! > > > At the very least, try Mozilla (or Thunderbird) as your email client. The trainable junk mail filters do a decent job of sorting wheat from chaff. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 15:50:34 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam fighting tools Message-ID: Hi, It seems as if I unintentionally started off a wave of "That's nothing!!" responses with my comment that I get 50-100 E-Mails a day, much of it spam. I do actually have anti-spam measures in place: 1. My web provider pair Networks (pair.com) allows me to turn on Junk Mail filtering per account -- at the most sensitive it catches about 80% of the spam, using Bayesian filtering. 2. I use PMMail 2000 on my Windows box -- it is set up with additional filters that junk E-Mail with certain patterns in it. 3. On my Linux boxes I use good PINE for E-Mail, and I've set up filters there as well, so I am well used to the eXpunge command to get rid of E-Mail that's marked as junk. 4. When I have time, I send any remaining spam off to SpamCop.Net, which parses the headers and URLs in the message and fires off messages to the appropriate parties. If I ever get as far having my own mail server (not possible while I live at the end of a Sympatico DSL line), I will definitely go with some sort of white list -- domains or E-Mail addresses that I trust get through without a problem; anyone else gets an automatically generated challenge. Unfortunately, spam is a symptom of today's society. If you have a phone number (especially one you've had for a long time), you get telemarketers, fax dialers looking for fax machines to send junk to, etc; if you have an E-Mail address (again, especially one you've used for a while) you get spam; and if you have a mailbox, you get junk mail. And it will continue as long as it's economical. Weird. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 16:15:25 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:15:25 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 11:50, talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > If I ever get as far having my own mail server (not possible while I live > at the end of a Sympatico DSL line), I will definitely go with some sort > of white list -- domains or E-Mail addresses that I trust get through > without a problem; anyone else gets an automatically generated challenge. Whitelisting is a great solution. I "receive" 200-300 spams per day (perhaps more, I've stopped tracking it) but for the past 2 months I have seen only a single spam in my inbox thanks to TMDA (http://tmda.net/). Managing the whitelist is automated you just have to be careful with list subscriptions and other automated emails that you might receive. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 16:16:50 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:16:50 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <40717B2D.70809-8OOxOvJoDXDLSf97qRSy8VAUjnlXr6A1@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> Message-ID: <40718672.9040005@alteeve.com> Hi Sergio, Thank you for your tip but I must be doing something wrong because it is still refusing to mount. When I typed '# ls -la /dev/VG00' I saw this: # ls -la /dev/VG00/ total 124 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 5 11:45 . drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 118784 Apr 5 11:45 .. crw-r----- 1 root disk 109, 0 Apr 5 11:45 group brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 0 Apr 5 11:45 LV00 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 1 Apr 5 11:45 LV01 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 2 Apr 5 11:45 LV02 So I rebooted using the rescue disk and sure enough there was no '/dev/VG00'. So I 'insmod lvm-mod' (no errors) and then typed 'mknod LV00 b 58 0' and it created" brw-r--r-- 1 root root 58, 0 Apr 5 12:11 LV00 But when I tried to mount it I get: # mount -t ext3 /dev/VG00/LV00 /mnt/oldroot mount: Mounting /dev/VG00/LV00 on /mnt/oldroot failed: No such \ device or address Any sign of what I am doing wrong? Again, thank you very much! Madison Sergio Salvi wrote: > Hi! > > It looks like you don't have the /dev/VG00* entries, right? > > I'm not a Linux LVM expert, but as you said your kernel does support > LVM, just create the devices manually using mknod. > > First boot with LVM working, ls -la /dev/VG00 and write down the major > and minor numbers, including the type of them (block devices, probably). > Then boot with your rescue CDs and mknod'em like this: > > mknod LV00 b 111 222 > > Hope that helps! > > []s, > Sergio Salvi. > > Madison Kelly wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am officially stumped... I have tried two rescue discs (SysRescCD >> and PLD Rescue) as well and my Fedora Core 1 install disk using 'linux >> rescue' in an attempt to backup the FC1 root partition so that I can >> reformat it as ReiserFS and then restore it. >> >> When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen >> as the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or >> resource is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off >> the CD). When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted >> but then I can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure >> that the rescue CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). >> >> Under Fedora the devices I need to mount are on: >> >> /dev/VG00/LV00 = '/' (currently ext3) >> /dev/VG00/LV01 = '/backup' (reiserfs) >> /dev/VG00/LV02 = '/snapshot' (reiserfs) >> >> Under the two rescue CDs though there is no '/dev/VG00...'. Where >> would I find those partitions? I tried looking under '/dev/' but the >> only thing relevant I could find was >> '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/' and there was no sign of the LVM >> partitions (nor under variants like 'bus1', etc.). >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 16:24:13 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:24:13 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <40716F90.2020609-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200404051224.13585.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 10:39, Madison Kelly wrote: > ? ?When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen > as the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or > resource is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off the > CD). When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted but > then I can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure that the > rescue CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). I don't know LVM well (at all) but I think you have to run vgscan ... you probably need to make sure that lvm-mod is loaded then run vgscan (perhaps with options). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 18:24:28 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1049.142.150.143.47.1081189468.squirrel@nekoneko.ath.cx> I am not sure what requirements that you have for your mail server, but I have a personal mail server set up using golden.net, which relies on Sympatico DSL. What is the problem that you are having? Use Dnydns to create a reacheable domain name. I use Courier-imap for receiving and my ISP's smtp for sending. I take care of Spam using bogofilter and Spamassassin. I train both by a cron job which also deletes old spam. The spam solution has been working very well as to spam and access. Noah talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org said: > If I ever get as far having my own mail server (not possible while I live > at the end of a Sympatico DSL line), I will definitely go with some sort > of white list -- domains or E-Mail addresses that I trust get through > without a problem; anyone else gets an automatically generated challenge. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 21:06:38 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:06:38 +0200 (IST) Subject: Competition's credo Message-ID: Has anyone here read B.G.'s Mein K^h^h^h^h The Road Ahead ? I just did. It explains a lot imho. About the man and the way his firm err, works, and how he expects it to work in the future (i.e. now, the book is from 1995). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 22:21:24 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:21:24 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <40716F90.2020609-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <4071DBE4.3030608@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Madison, Madison Kelly wrote: > > When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen > as > the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or > resource > is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off the CD). > When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted but then > I > can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure that the > rescue > CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). I don't know about Fedora rescue disks, but on Redhat 9 disks it was possible to not have the root filesystem mounted by the rescue system automaticly. See if there is one for the Fedora disks. > > Under Fedora the devices I need to mount are on: > > /dev/VG00/LV00 = '/' (currently ext3) > /dev/VG00/LV01 = '/backup' (reiserfs) > /dev/VG00/LV02 = '/snapshot' (reiserfs) > > Under the two rescue CDs though there is no '/dev/VG00...'. Where > would I find those partitions? I tried looking under '/dev/' but the > only thing relevant I could find was '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/' > and there was no sign of the LVM partitions (nor under variants like > 'bus1', etc.). > After the lvm-mod module is successfully loaded, you have to issue the "vgscan" command to detect the volume groups. It should say something like "volume group VG00 found". Then you have to run "vgchange -ay" to activate the volume group. That should create the /dev/VG00/... files and directories for you automaticly. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAcdvvRreNkzrRRLQRAv9GAJ9Wauz0bZ0og1C8FaoyRla1htNEeQCfVA0k WwMHRfmEolS/+JdMBEajAgU= =CZqu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 22:33:19 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:33:19 -0500 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <4071DBE4.3030608-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <4071DBE4.3030608@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404051833.19343.skuznets@blueprint.org> On Monday 05 April 2004 18:21, Anton Markov wrote: If someone need the self-sufficient (32 Mbytes compressed to 14 megabytes) rescue disk, I can spare mine. I put all stuff needed to work in autonomous mode on it. It have even Midnight Commander. All you need is add some additional XFS/JFS/ReiserFS stuff, and provide some additional params to kernel init line. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Madison, > > Madison Kelly wrote: > > When I use the FC1 cd I can't unmount '/mnt/sysimage' which is seen > > as > > the LVM device '/dev/VG00/LV00', it keeps saying the device or > > resource > > is busy (despite being out of the directory and running off the CD). > > When I try to boot off either rescue CD 'root' isn't mounted but then > > I > > can't find the darn LVM partitions (and yes I made sure that the > > rescue > > CDs supported LVM and ReiserFS). > > I don't know about Fedora rescue disks, but on Redhat 9 disks it was > possible to not have the root filesystem mounted by the rescue system > automaticly. See if there is one for the Fedora disks. > > > Under Fedora the devices I need to mount are on: > > > > /dev/VG00/LV00 = '/' (currently ext3) > > /dev/VG00/LV01 = '/backup' (reiserfs) > > /dev/VG00/LV02 = '/snapshot' (reiserfs) > > > > Under the two rescue CDs though there is no '/dev/VG00...'. Where > > would I find those partitions? I tried looking under '/dev/' but the > > only thing relevant I could find was '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/' > > and there was no sign of the LVM partitions (nor under variants like > > 'bus1', etc.). > > After the lvm-mod module is successfully loaded, you have to issue the > "vgscan" command to detect the volume groups. It should say something > like "volume group VG00 found". Then you have to run "vgchange -ay" to > activate the volume group. That should create the /dev/VG00/... files > and directories for you automaticly. > > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAcdvvRreNkzrRRLQRAv9GAJ9Wauz0bZ0og1C8FaoyRla1htNEeQCfVA0k > WwMHRfmEolS/+JdMBEajAgU= > =CZqu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 00:24:49 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:24:49 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <40718672.9040005-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> <40718672.9040005@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040406002449.GY9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 12:16:50PM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Thank you for your tip but I must be doing something wrong because it > is still refusing to mount. When I typed '# ls -la /dev/VG00' I saw this: > > # ls -la /dev/VG00/ > total 124 > dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Apr 5 11:45 . > drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 118784 Apr 5 11:45 .. > crw-r----- 1 root disk 109, 0 Apr 5 11:45 group > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 0 Apr 5 11:45 LV00 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 1 Apr 5 11:45 LV01 > brw-rw---- 1 root disk 58, 2 Apr 5 11:45 LV02 > > So I rebooted using the rescue disk and sure enough there was no > '/dev/VG00'. So I 'insmod lvm-mod' (no errors) and then typed 'mknod > LV00 b 58 0' and it created" > > brw-r--r-- 1 root root 58, 0 Apr 5 12:11 LV00 > > But when I tried to mount it I get: > > # mount -t ext3 /dev/VG00/LV00 /mnt/oldroot > mount: Mounting /dev/VG00/LV00 on /mnt/oldroot failed: No such \ > device or address > > Any sign of what I am doing wrong? Again, thank you very much! I don't think you can do it manually. I believe LVM requires devicemapper to create and manage the device nodes. You may want to look at convertfs. Maybe it can do something useful. Maybe it will trash the system. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 00:29:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:29:06 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: References: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040406002906.GZ9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 11:11:01AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > That problem is just with LG CD-ROM drives (not *-writers) and even then > there is a firmware update. > > LG implemented a firmware write command, but chose the ATAPI > buffer-flush command to encode it -- after all, who would flush a > write buffer on a read-only device? Smart thinking. I believe this > actually violates the ATAPI spec. > > If you kill your CD-ROM, it is too late to apply the firmware update. > If you have an LG CD-ROM, go to their website to get an update > before you get bitten. Should be somewhere in http://ca.lgservice.com/ > (a .jsp hell). There is a recovery method on their website involving some non standard jumper setting and a dos util for flashing to the drive in dumb receive anything on the ide bus mode as far as I can understand it. > I have an LG DVD writer (4x, +/-) but I don't have enough experience > to judge it or compare it. If you look, you can find the 8x version > for ~$130 -- cheap enough that I will probably never again buy a > CD-writer. That's about what I paid for my plextor premium cd writer 3 months ago. I won't trade. :) > If I remember correctly, the firmware update is distributed in a form > that requires MS Windows to unpack it, then DOS to install it. The > DOS part I accept, but the MS Windows requirement is gratuitous. > > The retail version comes bundled with MS Windows software; I don't > know about the OEM package. The software is not very mainstream. I'm > not sure if it is any good. No idea either. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 00:59:00 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:59:00 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <20040406002449.GY9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> <40718672.9040005@alteeve.com> <20040406002449.GY9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1081213140.4611.1.camel@chef> This is an excellent piece of advice. It sums up the experience of fooling around with a Linux box, that is for sure. Noah On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 20:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You may want to look at convertfs. Maybe it can do something useful. > Maybe it will trash the system. :) -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 00:59:05 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:59:05 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <20040406002449.GY9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> <40718672.9040005@alteeve.com> <20040406002449.GY9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <1081213140.4611.2.camel@chef> This is an excellent piece of advice. It sums up the experience of fooling around with a Linux box, that is for sure. Noah On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 20:24, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > You may want to look at convertfs. Maybe it can do something useful. > Maybe it will trash the system. :) -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 01:04:48 2004 From: dgenn-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (DanG) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:04:48 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040405024106.DBF393FCD@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <20040406010427.GPFN40503.web02-imail.rogers.com@Pittland> The LG problem (if you read the article) is in regards to some models of cd-rom drives. Not the DVD-RW products. I have the LG-4040B 4x drive and it has run like a charm. Never had a single bad burn. At $123 for the 8x version I can't justify paying 200+ for a plextor drive. Here are some reviews for the 4x drive I use. http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=204&page=Conclusion http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20031027/dvd_burner-41.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:41 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner > -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Mel >> Seder >> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:11 PM >> To: TLUG >> Subject: [TLUG]: recommendations for a DVD burner >> >> I'd like to get a CD-ROM/DVD burner so that I only have to make a one >> install disk for a FEDORA CORE 2 installation. >> >> Does anyone running Red Hat have a suggestion to make? > I suggest an LG DVD-RW drive like the 8x LG-GSA-4081B. It's worked > like a charm for me for all media like DVD-RAM, DVD+-R/RW and CD-R/RW. > Never had a single problem and it's rated one of the best performing > drives. Plus I have seen this drive for as low as $123.00 now at Logic > Computer warehouse. Pretty awesome deal. I paid $170 for mine not > more than 6 weeks ago. I can't see this having much if anything to do with the distribution you're running. The adoption of generic ATA/IDE interfacing for CD and DVD drives means that if they are using ATA/IDE interfaces, it is highly probable that it'll "just work." http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/dvd.html http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ I have had good success with multiple models of Pioneer DVD writers. There is something of a known problem with some LG drives... http://lwn.net/Articles/55537/ LG has apparently implemented something that doesn't comply with ATAPI standards, so there is a risk of destroying the drive if you send the wrong commands to it... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in name ^ "@" ^ tld;; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/wp.html "Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months." -- Oscar Wilde -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 01:13:01 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:13:01 -0400 Subject: 802.11b cardbus card for gentoo? In-Reply-To: <4071593D.8080705-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4070C4AB.2080400@sympatico.ca> <4071593D.8080705@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <4072041D.1000503@sympatico.ca> Nick Davey wrote: > > Also, the Dlink 802.11b cards apparently work with the madwifi > drivers, but thats only what I've heard. Thanks, Nick. I did a bit of research, and discovered that Linux's support for PC-card WiFi NICs is arcane. If you want to use a really old 802.11b card, they are well supported. Recent ones are a mess of ninary drivers and firmware patches. Bleah. I'm currently fighting with a D-Link DWL-650+ card, which several sites claim they have got working (though, worryingly, the main acx100 SF.net site says it won't). At the bottom of one of the HOWTO pages, I found a very annoying statement: "This also works with the SMC 2435W card." The SMC 2435W is the one I bought the other day. Argh! cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 01:50:15 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:50:15 -0400 Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040406015015.GA8258@m450> On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 11:23:33PM -0500, Jim W Lai wrote > The points regarding China still remain valid IMO. They're not > into open source for altruistic reasons. They seek to containing > outflows of capital, and relying on open and homegrown IP is part > of that effort. There's an article at the Washington Post website... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10432-2004Feb26.html Executive summary, CIA finds out that Russia is trying to steal pipeline-control software. CIA "allows" Russia to steal a copy, a trojaned copy at that... > "In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard currency earnings > from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the pipeline software > that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was programmed to > go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump speeds and valve > settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline > joints and welds," Reed writes. > > "The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire > ever seen from space," he recalls, adding that U.S. satellites > picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that the blast > occurred in the summer of 1982. OK, imagine you're the Chinese leadership. Do you *REALLY* want your economy/infrastructure to depend on Windows from the USA ??? -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 01:50:56 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:50:56 -0400 Subject: Converting the root filesystem to ReiserFS on LVM... In-Reply-To: <20040406002449.GY9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40716F90.2020609@alteeve.com> <40717B2D.70809@direitonet.com.br> <40718672.9040005@alteeve.com> <20040406002449.GY9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40720D00.9050905@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I don't think you can do it manually. I believe LVM requires > devicemapper to create and manage the device nodes. Actually, device mapper is only required for the new LVM2 format. It replaces the "lvm-mod" module with a generic "dm-mod" which can be used for more than LVM. You still need the user-space tools specific for LVM2. The need for user-space tools is one reason why I do not recommend keeping the root partition on LVM. It makes it that much harder to recover from problems, because you need to make sure you have a disk with an LVM-capable kernel AND the proper tools. This is especially difficult for LVM2 systems (I would know - I got more than one late-night headache from having root on LVM2). On the other hand if you have a normal root partition, it takes a simple boot disket with a correctly compiled custom kernel. No need for annoying initrd systems. And a properly configured root partition is around 300MB in size. > You may want to look at convertfs. Maybe it can do something useful. > Maybe it will trash the system. :) Interesting. I'll be trying that when ReiserFS4 rolls out - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAcg0FRreNkzrRRLQRAi8RAJ9YmRQdXcplNDf+U2sBov8n5ORoLQCfV84g jNi7gYKQrPOWVXAfvX0Gs6I= =1Saz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 02:08:18 2004 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:08:18 -0400 Subject: Anyone going to Linux World? In-Reply-To: <406D538D.8000102-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <008701c41662$c8d1df60$4a01800a@mastec.com> <406A06B2.6060301@rogers.com> <406D538D.8000102@rogers.com> Message-ID: <40721112.40703@utoronto.ca> I received my badge in the mail. Will TLUG have a booth? BTW, the keynote addresses are free with the trade show admission. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 02:41:46 2004 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:41:46 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407218EA.5060809@utoronto.ca> BTW, the April issue of Linux Journal has an overview of SPF (Sender Policy Framework). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 10:19:07 2004 From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:19:07 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040406101907.GB8258@m450> On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 11:50:34AM -0400, talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote > If I ever get as far having my own mail server (not possible while I > live at the end of a Sympatico DSL line), I will definitely go with > some sort of white list -- domains or E-Mail addresses that I trust > get through without a problem; anyone else gets an automatically > generated challenge. The concept of the "automatically generated challenge" in the form of a DSN (i.e. bounce message) is getting an *EXTREMELY* bad reception on nanae and spamfighting mailing lists. It's considered equivalent to the "you sent us a virus" notification. Spammers and viruses both forge "From:" *AND* envelope-sender. On the other hand, if you send a 5XX reject at the SMTP transaction, that's OK, because it doesn't contribute to mailbombing innocent third-parties. I've got a remote account with clss.net (Aurora Internet), in Logansport, Indiana. They have a hacked-up qmail that allows *END-USERS* to set up blocking rules that are implemented *DURING THE SMTP TRANSACTION*, right after the "MAIL TO:". I've now got it fine-tuned to the point where I get approx one or two spams per week leaking through with almost no false-positives. Here is my email-blocked count, by month, from Feb 2003 to March 2004. 120 178 285 801 243 308 317 2160 1148 951 2556 1497 780 706 FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC JAN FEB MAR March 2004 seems to be an anomaly. My blocks are stopping more in April, at a rate that would extrapolate to 900 for the month. The first Accept/Reject that matches is implemented immediately, and subsequent rules are not read. The various ruleset options available include... REJECTNOHOSTNAME (reject where there is absolutely zero/zilch/nada rDNS) reject when forward DNS of rDNS of the connecting MTA does not equal the IP address of the connecting MTA. The following rules can be invoked as either/or Accept/Reject criteria. This allows whitelisting as well as blocking envelope-sender rDNS tail-end of envelope-sender or rDNS regexp match against envelope-sender or rDNS CIDR (I block 4.0.0.0/8 and 200.0.0.0/7 and a few others) Accept/ reject based on specific return values from DNSbls. I block over a dozen countries with just one lookup to zz.countries.nerd.dk Other useful DNSbls include dnsbl.sorbs.net, list.dsbl.org, and sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org At the end of my ruleset I have accept email with rDNS ending in hotmail.com reject email with envelope-sender ending in hotmail.com Ditto for Yahoo. These are the most heavily forged addresses. The logic is that the accept rule will match stuff that is *REALLY* from Hotmail. If an email gets past that rule, then it hasn't been sent from Hotmail, and is most likely a fogery. The next rule rejects non-Hotmail email with a Hotmail envelope-sender. Yes, it will trip over a Hotmail user sending legitimately from another ISP, but this beats blocking *ALL* Hotmail/Yahoo email like some people do. Here's a summary of March blockages. The list is in the order that the rules are implemented. So rules near the end only get to see email that hasn't been accepted/rejected by earlier rules... Total = 706 =========== No hostname = 247 Dynamic IP by rDNS regex = 213 Provider by envelope-sender = 14 Provider by rDNS = 35 Country by envelope-sender = 15 Country by rDNS = 66 200.0.0.0./7 CIDR = 3 countries.nerd.dk = 14 Various lists of dnsbl.sorbs.net = 59 verio.blackholes.us = 1 list.dsbl.org = 12 Spamhaus lists = 15 Commonly forged from not verified = 12 The current spammer favourite is trojaned home machines. These tend to either have no hostname, or have a hostname which includes their IP address and/or the string "dhcp". I block on rDNS containing "dhcp" or matching regexp "[0-9]+-[0-9]+-[0-9]+". The no-hostname and regexp matches combine for almost 2/3rd of the blocks. They catch stuff that DUL DNSbls would miss. I deliberately put DNSbls as close to the end as possible. This minimizes calls to them, cutting down IP traffic, and making things easier on the DNSbls. The one disadvantage is that they're not set up to take credit cards over the net, so I have to make a long-distance call to Logansport, Indiana once a year to renew. The cost is US$30 per year for a single account, which allows you to create up to 10 email addresses. You can also arrange to have them accept email for your domain. This is all strictly shell access via ssh; dialup costs more. But dialing to Indiana daily would be somewhat expensive. No, I don't get commissions or freebies/gifts for promoting them. Just a happy customer. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 14:38:58 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:38:58 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <20040406101907.GB8258-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040406101907.GB8258@m450> Message-ID: <200404061038.58882.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 06:19, Walter Dnes wrote: > The concept of the "automatically generated challenge" in the form of > a DSN (i.e. bounce message) is getting an *EXTREMELY* bad reception on > nanae and spamfighting mailing lists. ?It's considered equivalent to the > "you sent us a virus" notification. ?Spammers and viruses both forge > "From:" *AND* envelope-sender. ?On the other hand, if you send a 5XX > reject at the SMTP transaction, that's OK, because it doesn't contribute > to mailbombing innocent third-parties. Unless I'm missing something the 5xx would still result in a message going to the forged sender address. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 15:06:34 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <200404061038.58882.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404061038.58882.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > ...Spammers and viruses both forge > > "From:" *AND* envelope-sender. ?On the other hand, if you send a 5XX > > reject at the SMTP transaction, that's OK, because it doesn't contribute > > to mailbombing innocent third-parties. > > Unless I'm missing something the 5xx would still result in a message going to > the forged sender address. The 5xx is part of the SMTP protocol itself. So it's seen on the guilty machine that's actually trying to send the mail, not the innocent one named on the envelope etc. The spammers are not going to waste their machine resources by trying to do anything about it. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 5 17:30:57 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:30:57 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED@lynchmail.lynch.msft> I have been looking at TMDA as well. How did your customers/vendors react? Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Fraser Campbell [mailto:fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:15 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Spam fighting tools On Monday 05 April 2004 11:50, talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote: > If I ever get as far having my own mail server (not possible while I live > at the end of a Sympatico DSL line), I will definitely go with some sort > of white list -- domains or E-Mail addresses that I trust get through > without a problem; anyone else gets an automatically generated challenge. Whitelisting is a great solution. I "receive" 200-300 spams per day (perhaps more, I've stopped tracking it) but for the past 2 months I have seen only a single spam in my inbox thanks to TMDA (http://tmda.net/). Managing the whitelist is automated you just have to be careful with list subscriptions and other automated emails that you might receive. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 21:21:14 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:21:14 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <40731F4A.6000804@sympatico.ca> Wil McGilvery wrote: > I have been looking at TMDA as well. How did your customers/vendors react? I recently worked for a company whose policy was to junk all TMDA-like request mails, so the user needs a way to say "I am likely to get mail from an address at .com ..." for the thing to work. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 22:58:10 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:58:10 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <40731F4A.6000804-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <40731F4A.6000804@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040406212758.DA8F817C12C@smtp.istop.com> > > I have been looking at TMDA as well. How did your customers/vendors > > react? > > I recently worked for a company whose policy was to junk all TMDA-like > request mails, so the user needs a way to say "I am likely to get mail > from an address at .com ..." for the thing to work. Should that TMDA be changed in such a way that users have control over it? ;) zb. > Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 22:01:31 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:01:31 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <40731F4A.6000804-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED@lynchmail.lynch.msft> <40731F4A.6000804@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404061801.31096.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 17:21, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > I have been looking at TMDA as well. How did your customers/vendors > > react? > > I recently worked for a company whose policy was to junk all TMDA-like > request mails, so the user needs a way to say "I am likely to get mail > from an address at .com ..." for the thing to work. Yes, I have to manually update my whitelist whenever I subscribe to something. It's difficult (or impossible) to predict what address any system will use when sending you email so it's a manual process ... check pending queue a few minutes after subscribing, find their confirmation email, manually approve said email, add their sending address to your whitelist. This is the one aspect of TMDA that I still find somewhat inconvenient. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 6 23:09:32 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:09:32 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? Message-ID: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> A pal recently sent me the following link which points to a rant about setting up CUPS. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html I recently installed Fedora Core 1 and had to go through a minor battle to get CUPS to work with my Netgear printserver. Fedora requires that a queue be specified, the printserver doesn't use a queue. Furthermore, the auto print tool sets up the wrong driver which limits the resolution to 600 dpi instead of 1200. I am curious to hear people's opinions about the usability issue. In my mind it is the biggest barrier that Linux faces with respect to desktop success. I think that the software core is ready, but these details are presently fatal. Noah -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 00:26:02 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:26:02 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081292972.8414.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040406201944.048ba008@localhost> At 19:09 06/04/2004 -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: >A pal recently sent me the following link which points to a rant about >setting up CUPS. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html > >I recently installed Fedora Core 1 and had to go through a minor battle >to get CUPS to work with my Netgear printserver. Fedora requires that a >queue be specified, the printserver doesn't use a queue. Furthermore, >the auto print tool sets up the wrong driver which limits the resolution >to 600 dpi instead of 1200. > >I am curious to hear people's opinions about the usability issue. In my >mind it is the biggest barrier that Linux faces with respect to desktop >success. I think that the software core is ready, but these details are >presently fatal. My experience with CUPS has essentially been "plug and play". I first used it on Mandrake and have found that I can connect to a new printer with CUPS faster than I can with Windows. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 01:52:11 2004 From: zhunt-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Zoltan/ZEE4) Date: 06 Apr 2004 21:52:11 -0400 Subject: Computing and Politics In-Reply-To: <20040406015015.GA8258-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040406015015.GA8258@m450> Message-ID: <1081302730.2076.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Humm, my Windows2K-running PC nearly exploded today. Guess the Chinese are smarter than me. :) Zoltan On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:50, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 11:23:33PM -0500, Jim W Lai wrote > > "The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire > > ever seen from space," he recalls, adding that U.S. satellites > > picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that the blast > > occurred in the summer of 1982. > > OK, imagine you're the Chinese leadership. Do you *REALLY* want your > economy/infrastructure to depend on Windows from the USA ??? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 01:17:54 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:17:54 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040406201944.048ba008-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20040406201944.048ba008@localhost> Message-ID: <1081300674.17164.1.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 20:26, CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > My experience with CUPS has essentially been "plug and play". I first used > it on Mandrake and have found that I can connect to a new printer with CUPS > faster than I can with Windows. Well, Till (a head at linuxprinting.org, foomatic, a main cups contributor) does work for Mandrake. ;-) Austin -- Austin Acton Teaching Assistant, Ph.D. Candidate, Department of Chemistry, York University Professor, School of Biological Sciences and Applied Chemistry, Seneca College MandrakeLinux Volunteer Developer :: homepage: www.groundstate.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 01:56:28 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:56:28 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404062156.28925.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 11:06, Henry Spencer wrote: > > Unless I'm missing something the 5xx would still result in a message > > going to the forged sender address. > > The 5xx is part of the SMTP protocol itself. ?So it's seen on the guilty > machine that's actually trying to send the mail, not the innocent one > named on the envelope etc. ?The spammers are not going to waste their > machine resources by trying to do anything about it. I realized the rejection is at the smtp protocol level. That's fine if the spam is being sent direct to the recipients smtp server (using spam malware typically) but when a relay is involved (as one often is) I'd expect a bounce to be generated. Am I mistaken in thinking that the "sender" gets a copy of 5xx errors? I know for sure that 4xx errors (temporary errors) often get sent to the sender. I'd be very surprised to learn that permanent errors (5xx) do not result in a bounce to the "sender". -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 02:33:11 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:33:11 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081292972.8414.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 19:09, Noah John Gellner wrote: > A pal recently sent me the following link which points to a rant about > setting up CUPS. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html I read the rant a few days ago and all along I was thinking why is he picking on CUPS when the issues are obviously Fedora issues. In his followup he notes that many people pointed that out but he didn't care ... fair enough. I've found cups very easy to setup, it's probably not Grandma friendly yet but it's close. > I am curious to hear people's opinions about the usability issue. In my > mind it is the biggest barrier that Linux faces with respect to desktop > success. I think that the software core is ready, but these details are > presently fatal. He makes some good points. I remember trying to talk someone through configuring network interfaces using Redhat's GUI tools (probably RH8). The funniest thing was the guy on the phone telling me how great all these new GUI configuration tools were in Redhat, this despite the fact that they didn't work!!! -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 02:35:04 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:35:04 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E28904FED@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <200404062235.04096.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 13:30, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I have been looking at TMDA as well. How did your customers/vendors react? Just fine. One response was "cute, when can I get it?" other than that there has been no response. People send their confirmation email and get added to my whitelist automatically, they do so apparently without a second thought (since I've never been questioned on it). There have been 3 legitimate emails for which no confirmations were received, I don't know why these people didn't confirm their emails but I suspect that it due to the nature of the emails ... all of them were one liner replies ("thanks", "cool") to mailing list messages, I suspect the sender didn't care enough to bother with me getting their message. All individuals who I legitimately need to communicate with, but who I forgot to put on my whitelist, added themselves to my whitelist without issue (probably between 20 and 30 people so far). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 03:23:41 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:23:41 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404062233.11148.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 10:33:11PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > He makes some good points. I remember trying to talk someone through > configuring network interfaces using Redhat's GUI tools (probably RH8). The > funniest thing was the guy on the phone telling me how great all these new > GUI configuration tools were in Redhat, this despite the fact that they > didn't work!!! I have heard dozens of people complain about how difficult Linux is to use and configure. In almost every case, the complaint was not actually about the relative difficulty as compared to, say, MS Windows, but about the lack of a GUI, or about differences between the Linux GUI and its Windows counterpart. In my experience, Linux is easier, or at *least* makes more sense, and I attribute much of that to the "to configure, edit the /etc/program.conf file" nature of non-GUI Linux configuration. However, many people seem to be unwilling or unable to get past the shock of a command prompt staring them in the face. I have to completely agree with Neal Stephenson's suggestion (and the great example above) that people want GUI's more than almost anything else. I think the best direction for configuration tools aimed at end users (esp people new to non-proprietary operating systems) is to design a good-looking, intuitive GUI that is, in function, as close to "edit the /etc/program.conf file" as possible. That's what makes sense to me. -Jeremy -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 03:43:36 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:43:36 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407032341.GA7663-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> Message-ID: <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> I agree with this statement in general, but find that when I have problems this issue is that I can't find the file to edit. For example: * Squirrelmail gives me an error about not being able to find /usr/games/fortune, but it is there and I can execute it from the command line? What is it looking for. There is probably some file that needs to be edited but I have no idea which one and can't find anything about it on the web * realplayer hijacked by flash settings and now I can't open *.swf files in mozilla. There is clearly some file that needs to be edited but it isn't /etc/mime-types. I have no idea what it is * switchdesk relies on some file for its desktop selections. I don't know what it is and end up having to edit the destination file by hand - no problem except that it is a clumsy workaround. There are more issues, but like the ones above none are not deal breakers, but they might be if I wasn't into fooling around with my machine. In my experience the problem with Linux is that these files are located all over the place, and are not always obvious or even close to obvious. The result is that if you are adding and removing applications there are is a constant requirement for hacks and work arounds. On response is that users shouldn't be constantly adding and subtracting applications, but in my opinion that is a pretty weak solution. Given that users will add and remove applications there process should be possible. On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > I think the best direction for configuration tools > aimed at end users (esp people new to non-proprietary operating systems) > is to design a good-looking, intuitive GUI that is, in function, as close to > "edit the /etc/program.conf file" as possible. > > That's what makes sense to me. > > -Jeremy -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 04:27:45 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:27:45 -0400 Subject: recommendations for a DVD burner In-Reply-To: <20040405133829.GX9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040404201038.60943.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> <200404050743.23325.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040405133829.GX9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40738341.2060004@rogers.com> > Pioneer would be my other choice (given they did invent one of the > writeable DVD formats and seem to make some of the best DVD readers) I've heard good things about the A06U, and the price seems reasonable. Just leave one on the shelf for me for when I get my next paycheck ;) -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 05:21:35 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 01:21:35 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081292972.8414.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <20040407012135.297efab5.jmyshrall@golden.net> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:09:32 -0400 Noah John Gellner wrote: > A pal recently sent me the following link which points to a rant about > setting up CUPS. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html > > I recently installed Fedora Core 1 and had to go through a minor > battle to get CUPS to work with my Netgear printserver. Fedora > requires that a queue be specified, the printserver doesn't use a > queue. Furthermore, the auto print tool sets up the wrong driver which > limits the resolution to 600 dpi instead of 1200. > > I am curious to hear people's opinions about the usability issue. In > my mind it is the biggest barrier that Linux faces with respect to > desktop success. I think that the software core is ready, but these > details are presently fatal. > > Noah > > -- CUPS is not exactly a "best of Linux" trait. Hell even ESR had issues wih it recently. The desktop in my opinion is not an issue. I suspect with plenty of the Big Boys getting behind Linux, these issues BTW which are not foreign to M$ will eventually become ....... only a memory. Not to start a distro war .... I've been to RPM Hell and don't wanna go back. *Debian*. I will say no more. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 14:34:03 2004 From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081309416.9769.10.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Noah John Gellner wrote: > In my experience the problem with Linux is that these files are located > all over the place, and are not always obvious or even close to obvious. Hi Noah. If you're finding this I suggest you change distros :) Generally config files are in /etc or /etc/appname. The tool locate, and the man pages are also useful for finding config files. > The result is that if you are adding and removing applications there are > is a constant requirement for hacks and work arounds. On response is I really can't see why. What sorts of hacks are you feeling the need to do? > that users shouldn't be constantly adding and subtracting applications, Certain Linux distributions have package management that is so clean it puts all commercial OSes to shame (lets' face it, Linux shames many commercial OSes in lots of other ways too :) The idea of package installation and removal being anything but completely clean in 2004 is disturbing[1]. [1] Way back in 1994 when I started using Linux (Slackware) package management was in its infancy and installations tended to get very dirty over time (symlinks all over the place, old libraries lying about, multiple versions of the same software installed, etc). > but in my opinion that is a pretty weak solution. Given that users will > add and remove applications there process should be possible. Sure. This is the first time I've heard anyone suggest problems with package management in many many years. Rob -- Robert Brockway Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Phone: 416-669-3073, Email: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org, http://www.opentrend.net OpenTrend Solutions: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 14:59:09 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:59:09 -0400 Subject: bash condition if OS ? Message-ID: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Hi, I am trying to combine some of my '.bash_profile's and '.bashrc's from various OSs into one file of each. I have condition on hostname, but would like to generalize some parts on OS. $OSTYPE is useful, though some OSs have the annoying habit of including version # in OSTYPE. Is there a better variable to use? Short of using an external prog I cannot seem to figure out how to use Bash's reg exp to check for substring at beginning of the string. ? Thank you, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 15:07:49 2004 From: srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (SRB) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:07:49 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> Message-ID: <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a@mastec.com> > Sure. This is the first time I've heard anyone suggest problems with > package management in many many years. > > Rob Hi Rob, I'm interested in finding out which distro and package management system you, and others, feel is the cleanest, most efficient and easiest for newbies (like myself) to grasp. I, like many, am anxious to break away from M$, but I have experienced a fair share of difficulties when it comes to upgrading/installing/uninstalling software efficiently in Linux. When things work, they work very well, but when they do not, sometimes it is confusing and difficult for newbies to find the solution (other than asking here, that is). Thanks for any suggestions. PS: I finally got my badge for RealWorld Linux in the mail... -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 15:14:59 2004 From: lada-h8kxHjy+vg4AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Ladislav Svatos) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:14:59 -0400 Subject: bash condition if OS ? In-Reply-To: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <200404071114.59531.lada@agawa.com> On April 7, 2004 10:59 am, Lloyd Budd wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to combine some of my '.bash_profile's and '.bashrc's from > various OSs into one file of each. I have condition on hostname, but > would like to generalize some parts on OS. $OSTYPE is useful, though > some OSs have the annoying habit of including version # in OSTYPE. Is > there a better variable to use? Short of using an external prog I > cannot seem to figure out how to use Bash's reg exp to check for > substring at beginning of the string. ? > > Thank you, > Lloyd > uname -s Lada > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cgow-FlpYSvOe4acWeH+WijV1tNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 14:13:09 2004 From: cgow-FlpYSvOe4acWeH+WijV1tNBPR1lH4CV8 at public.gmane.org (Chris Gow) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:13:09 -0400 Subject: bash condition if OS ? In-Reply-To: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <1081347189.1929.27.camel@tatooine.local> I'm not a script writer, but we have a number of bash scripts here and we appear to use uname to determine what we're running on. Seems to work for cygwin/solaris/linux. -- chris On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 10:59, Lloyd Budd wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to combine some of my '.bash_profile's and '.bashrc's from > various OSs into one file of each. I have condition on hostname, but > would like to generalize some parts on OS. $OSTYPE is useful, though > some OSs have the annoying habit of including version # in OSTYPE. Is > there a better variable to use? Short of using an external prog I > cannot seem to figure out how to use Bash's reg exp to check for > substring at beginning of the string. ? > > Thank you, > Lloyd > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 15:37:54 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: bash condition if OS ? In-Reply-To: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1FA5398E-88A4-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Lloyd Budd wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to combine some of my '.bash_profile's and '.bashrc's from > various OSs into one file of each. I have condition on hostname, but > would like to generalize some parts on OS. $OSTYPE is useful, though > some OSs have the annoying habit of including version # in OSTYPE. Is > there a better variable to use? Short of using an external prog I > cannot seem to figure out how to use Bash's reg exp to check for > substring at beginning of the string. ? Bash's parameter exapnsion can remove prefixes and suffixes using pattern matching. To remove from the first digit to the end: OS=${OSTYPE%%[0-9]*} Or use uname -s. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 19:26:33 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:26:33 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407032341.GA7663-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> Message-ID: <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 6-Apr-04, at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 10:33:11PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I have heard dozens of people complain about how difficult Linux is to > use > and configure. In almost every case, the complaint was not actually > about > the relative difficulty as compared to... This is a fantastic assertion, that is also very easy to be demonstrated to *still* be false (at least in the case where one is setting up the operating environment for home use). Your own assertions confirm this: > is to design a good-looking, intuitive GUI that is, in function, as > close to > "edit the /etc/program.conf file" as possible The problem here is choice. Most computer users simply want it to work... this is case on MSWin for CD, DVD players, sound, printers, and even more so on Mac OS X , with it's greater application integration. Looking forward to the same level of "self-automation" *sic* in Open Source / Linux, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 20:04:26 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:04:26 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <20040407200426.GA28805@dmz> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:26:33PM -0400, Lloyd Budd wrote: > On 6-Apr-04, at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > >I have heard dozens of people complain about how difficult Linux is to > >use > >and configure. In almost every case, the complaint was not actually > >about > >the relative difficulty as compared to... > This is a fantastic assertion, that is also very easy to be demonstrated > to *still* be false (at least in the case where one is setting up the > operating > environment for home use). Sorry, let me explain that better. People tend to, in my experience, complain more about the differences rather than the difficulty. With that in mind, I agree that Linux is, in general, more difficult to setup for the average home user as compared to Windows or MacOS - even if that average user did *not* buy a computer with an OS already installed. What I am saying is that even if Linux was easier, many people that I know would not use it due to the fact that it is not familiar. The way I see it, there are several solutions to that problem. 1) make Linux more like Windows (ick). 2) make Linux more integrated, more intuitive, and more familiar so that switching is easy (it seems that some applications are doing this fairly well, including KDE and GNOME, though I don't use either on a regular enough basis to vouch for that). This is the situation where a good GUI that doesn't take away the power of "edit the /etc/program.conf file" approach would be good. 3) help teach newbies on lists, irc, one-on-one, etc (a good short-term solution, and, I think, something the community in general and TLUG in particular is quite good at). 4) teach new computer users about Linux (CLI and GUI) before Windows becomes what's familiar (not an easy solution atm - only people whose parents are geeks learn Linux as kids, at least in Windows-happy North America). > The problem here is choice. Most computer users simply want it to > work... this is case on MSWin for CD, DVD players, sound, printers, > and even more so on Mac OS X , with it's greater application > integration. Yeah, driver type stuff needs to be easier. -Jeremy -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 20:26:14 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:26:14 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407200426.GA28805-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org>; from cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org on Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:04:26PM -0400 References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> <20040407200426.GA28805@dmz> Message-ID: <20040407162614.B15448@ee.ryerson.ca> As a general princible, a good user interface should not require much reading of manuals or one-on-one instruction. So anyone familiar with the general princibles of a GUI (eg, double clicking starts a program) should be able to use the system to Do Useful Things. Of course, installing a new program is in the category 'Useful Things'. I think it is reasonable to expect people to do some reading of manuals or engage in the Unix Oral Tradition to learn how to use the command line and other such behind-the-scenes arcana. Once a person can use the system on a basic level, then they have some motivation to look behind the scenes to tweak it in various interesting ways. So the cry to 'RTFM' is misplaced for the average user: they shouldn't have to. Peter On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 04:04:26PM -0400, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 03:26:33PM -0400, Lloyd Budd wrote: > > On 6-Apr-04, at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > > >I have heard dozens of people complain about how difficult Linux is to > > >use > > >and configure. In almost every case, the complaint was not actually > > >about > > >the relative difficulty as compared to... > > > This is a fantastic assertion, that is also very easy to be demonstrated > > to *still* be false (at least in the case where one is setting up the > > operating > > environment for home use). > > Sorry, let me explain that better. People tend to, in my experience, > complain more about the differences rather than the difficulty. > With that in mind, I agree that Linux is, in general, more difficult to > setup for the average home user as compared to Windows or MacOS - even if > that average user did *not* buy a computer with an OS already installed. > > What I am saying is that even if Linux was easier, many people that I > know would not use it due to the fact that it is not familiar. The way > I see it, there are several solutions to that problem. > > 1) make Linux more like Windows (ick). > > 2) make Linux more integrated, more intuitive, and more familiar so that > switching is easy (it seems that some applications are doing this fairly > well, including KDE and GNOME, though I don't use either on a regular > enough basis to vouch for that). This is the situation where a good GUI > that doesn't take away the power of "edit the /etc/program.conf file" > approach would be good. > > 3) help teach newbies on lists, irc, one-on-one, etc (a good short-term > solution, and, I think, something the community in general and TLUG in > particular is quite good at). > > 4) teach new computer users about Linux (CLI and GUI) before Windows > becomes what's familiar (not an easy solution atm - only people whose > parents are geeks learn Linux as kids, at least in Windows-happy North > America). > > > The problem here is choice. Most computer users simply want it to > > work... this is case on MSWin for CD, DVD players, sound, printers, > > and even more so on Mac OS X , with it's greater application > > integration. > > Yeah, driver type stuff needs to be easier. > > -Jeremy > > -- > > Jeremy John Wakeman > cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org > www.polarhome.com/~cael > linux registered user #125171 > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 20:46:04 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:46:04 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a-v1hdsqwqw2fQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a@mastec.com> Message-ID: <20040407204600.GA9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 11:07:49AM -0400, SRB wrote: > I'm interested in finding out which distro and package management system > you, and others, feel is the cleanest, most efficient and easiest for > newbies (like myself) to grasp. I, like many, am anxious to break away from > M$, but I have experienced a fair share of difficulties when it comes to > upgrading/installing/uninstalling software efficiently in Linux. When things > work, they work very well, but when they do not, sometimes it is confusing > and difficult for newbies to find the solution (other than asking here, that > is). To me the asnwer is: Debian for sure. All configuration goes in /etc, preferably in /etc/packagename/, variable data maintained or used by the app in /var/lib/packagename or /var/cache/packagename (depending on if it would be auto regenerated or needs to be created manually, cache data is generally not important to backup but could be annoying to loose on a reboot so it is kept). Static data goes in /usr/share/package, binaries in /usr/lib, libraries in /usr/lib (except system essential stuff needed for boot which does not go in /usr since /usr might be a seperate filesystem). Documentation is in /usr/share/doc/packagename/. There is sometimes a README.Debian telling you any small necesary steps needed to make the package do anything useful, although most packages work after being installed with no changes needed. It can also contain things that are unique or different about the debian package of the program. > Thanks for any suggestions. > > PS: I finally got my badge for RealWorld Linux in the mail... I think mine took 2 days. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 21:08:45 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:08:45 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081292972.8414.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 06 April 2004 19:09, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I recently installed Fedora Core 1 and had to go through a minor battle > to get CUPS to work with my Netgear printserver. Fedora requires that a > queue be specified, the printserver doesn't use a queue. Furthermore, > the auto print tool sets up the wrong driver which limits the resolution > to 600 dpi instead of 1200. > > I am curious to hear people's opinions about the usability issue. In my > mind it is the biggest barrier that Linux faces with respect to desktop > success. I think that the software core is ready, but these details are > presently fatal. I've resisted this until now but since the distro questions have come up elsewhere in the thread what the heck ... I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using Fedora ever tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora route? I am genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any reasons to choose Fedora personally. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 21:15:58 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:15:58 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404071708.45734.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404071715.58197.skuznets@blueprint.org> On Wednesday 07 April 2004 17:08, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I've resisted this until now but since the distro questions have come up > elsewhere in the thread what the heck ... > > I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using Fedora > ever tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora route? > I am genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any > reasons to choose Fedora personally. I prefer Slackware. I played with Mandrake, it's quite okay, but RPM, even if it wrapped by urpmi drives me crazy. PS: I am making my packaging tool, who checks not for package but for specific file in the the package. It means if you already have the specific dynamic library and specific function, you don't need to install whole package. -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 21:38:22 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:38:22 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404071708.45734.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040407213822.GA9899@butters.southtrak> I am searching for a distro with nice defaults to use as a desktop system. I use Gentoo as a server and like it a lot. As a desktop though I had difficulties getting it working the way that I wanted it. I think that it is mostly a question of time, which I won't have till the summer. I tried Debian, but ran into a number of problems with my mouse not working and the default settings are horribly ugly. I didn't have the time to spend to get the machine looking half decent. This summer I will move to either Debian or Gentoo I think. In the past I have tried Mandrake and didn't like it because many of the drake tools didn't work at all. I used to use Slackware, but haven't tried it for years. Noah On 17:08 Wed 07 Apr , Fraser Campbell wrote: > I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using Fedora ever > tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora route? I am > genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any reasons > to choose Fedora personally. -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 21:50:43 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:50:43 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407200426.GA28805-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> <20040407200426.GA28805@dmz> Message-ID: <200404071750.43757.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello all, On April 7, 2004 04:04 pm, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > > What I am saying is that even if Linux was easier, many people that I > know would not use it due to the fact that it is not familiar. The way > I see it, there are several solutions to that problem. Just can't resist this one . . . . I disagree. Windows XP looks different enough from Windows 95 to make people take a little jump back. Make them switch from Office 97 to Office XP as well and things get really interesting. I've had to help more than one person make the transition and it is not all smooth sailing. If all we need to do is make it look like Windows, then perhaps, this is the answer. http://www.xpde.com/shots.php > well, including KDE and GNOME, though I don't use either on a regular > enough basis to vouch for that). This is the situation where a good GUI > that doesn't take away the power of "edit the /etc/program.conf file" > approach would be good. KDE 3.2 all the way then. User friendly, slick, and very professional looking. As part of the latest Mandrake or SUSE, I would give it to anybody without worry. I personally know many people who could barely handle their Windows systems who are now running Linux. It's just not that hard. Seriously, Linux on the desktop is already there. Some distros are frightfully easy, although in some cases, you have to be ready to pay the bucks. For example, I just took Xandros business desktop out for a test drive and the default installation even includes the latest CrossOver Office in case you really, really must run some Microsoft applications such as MS Office. The trouble isn't familiarity, it's marketing, and in the case of dealing with Microsoft, inertia. Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 22:03:47 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:03:47 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407162614.B15448-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <7ADDDB47-88C9-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> <20040407200426.GA28805@dmz> <20040407162614.B15448@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <40747AC3.90700@rogers.com> Peter Hiscocks wrote: > So the cry to 'RTFM' is misplaced for the average user: they shouldn't have > to. man RTFM. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 22:46:57 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040407213822.GA9899-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407213822.GA9899@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <79922AE8-88E5-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> There is a relatively recent thread on this mailing list, "user friendliest" Linux distro , whether I like or not, I still feel SUSE has the throne: IMHO SUSE is now the leader in "user friendly" -- though Debian or Gentoo are the only way to go if you have the "resources" for the initial installation and configuration. I am not suggesting switching, but if I am to recommend a distribution to a new user or computer (Debian/Gentoo clause above) then it is SUSE. When I did select Mandrake, a main consideration was to use a Gnome supporter. Now that Ximian and SUSE have the same parent company, SUSE has the best of both world (Gnome & KDE). I did not overcome tryiing to find "sources" for YAST(2) for software install sources and update, but I thankfully I did not have to. Ximian's red-carpet , as was my experience under RedHat , is a fantastic, complete pkg management tool (and the downloads have plenty of bandwidth) I have yet to install SUSE on a lap top , but I am looking forward to trying SUSE's functionality that I understand defers 'eth' exhaustive "resolution" of failure (not connected) on startup. Cheers, Lloyd On 7-Apr-04, at 17:38, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I am searching for a distro with nice defaults to use as a desktop > system. I use Gentoo as a server and like it a lot. As a desktop though > I had difficulties getting it working the way that I wanted it. I think > that it is mostly a question of time, which I won't have till the > summer. I tried Debian, but ran into a number of problems with my mouse > not working and the default settings are horribly ugly. I didn't have > the time to spend to get the machine looking half decent. This summer I > will move to either Debian or Gentoo I think. In the past I have tried > Mandrake and didn't like it because many of the drake tools didn't work > at all. I used to use Slackware, but haven't tried it for years. > Noah > > On 17:08 Wed 07 Apr , Fraser Campbell wrote: >> I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using >> Fedora ever >> tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora route? >> I am >> genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any >> reasons >> to choose Fedora personally. > -- > Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 23:23:14 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:23:14 -0400 Subject: file locations (was:the problem with Linux?) In-Reply-To: <20040407204600.GA9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a@mastec.com> <20040407204600.GA9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404071923.14334.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 7, 2004 04:46 pm, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > All configuration goes in /etc, preferably in /etc/packagename/, > variable data maintained or used by the app in /var/lib/packagename > or /var/cache/packagename (depending on if it would be auto regenerated > or needs to be created manually, cache data is generally not important > to backup but could be annoying to loose on a reboot so it is kept). > Static data goes in /usr/share/package, binaries in /usr/lib, libraries > in /usr/lib (except system essential stuff needed for boot which does > not go in /usr since /usr might be a seperate filesystem). > Documentation is in /usr/share/doc/packagename/. There is sometimes a > README.Debian telling you any small necesary steps needed to make the > package do anything useful, although most packages work after being > installed with no changes needed. It can also contain things that are > unique or different about the debian package of the program. where does kde go in debian? 'cause everything you mentioned is the same on my box (gentoo) but kde is stored in /usr/kde and all it's files are under there (/usr/kde/share/ etc.) seems kinda dumb to me. same goes with X11: /usr/X11R6/ -- where there is much light there is also much shadow. - goethe -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 23:36:08 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:36:08 -0400 Subject: file locations In-Reply-To: <200404071923.14334.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a@mastec.com> <20040407204600.GA9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200404071923.14334.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <40749068.30603@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On my Debian Unstable system, KDE has it's libraries under /usr/lib/kde and files skattered around /usr/share. Binaries under /usr/bin/ That's what I like about Debian alot... the packages generally follow the Debian policies, which gives consistency. That way if I install any custom software in /usr/local/, I can just backup/restore it without interfering with the package manager. gabriel wrote: > > > where does kde go in debian? 'cause everything you mentioned is the same on > my box (gentoo) but kde is stored in /usr/kde and all it's files are under > there (/usr/kde/share/ etc.) seems kinda dumb to me. same goes with > X11: /usr/X11R6/ > - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdJBvRreNkzrRRLQRAkWHAJ9zj1vXzkgeYlfkRhKSH+lx+2aUFgCfRpab 7DRxKwiqlbedGrZhTnBWy6o= =GeZ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 00:53:04 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:53:04 -0500 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <79922AE8-88E5-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <20040407213822.GA9899@butters.southtrak> <79922AE8-88E5-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <200404071953.04075.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Hi, Actually, suse + usr.local.bin, gnome and apt-get seem to work quite nice. Kde apps are great, but desktop looks "scheisse", lol, compared to gnome. Well, maybe I just got bored of it. Cheers, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 7 23:53:14 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:53:14 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <79922AE8-88E5-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407213822.GA9899@butters.southtrak> <79922AE8-88E5-11D8-9841-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <4074946A.4090402@rogers.com> Lloyd Budd wrote: > I have yet to install SUSE on a lap top , but I am looking forward to > trying SUSE's functionality that I understand defers 'eth' exhaustive > "resolution" of failure (not connected) on startup. I have SuSE 9.0 on my ThinkPad R31. It works well and included support for both "winmodem" and WiFi. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 00:06:38 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:06:38 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081309416.9769.10.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> Message-ID: <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> Noah John Gellner wrote: >I agree with this statement in general, but find that when I have >problems this issue is that I can't find the file to edit. For example: >* Squirrelmail gives me an error about not being able to find >/usr/games/fortune, but it is there and I can execute it from the >command line? What is it looking for. There is probably some file that >needs to be edited but I have no idea which one and can't find anything >about it on the web >* realplayer hijacked by flash settings and now I can't open *.swf files >in mozilla. There is clearly some file that needs to be edited but it >isn't /etc/mime-types. I have no idea what it is >* switchdesk relies on some file for its desktop selections. I don't >know what it is and end up having to edit the destination file by hand - >no problem except that it is a clumsy workaround. > >There are more issues, but like the ones above none are not deal >breakers, but they might be if I wasn't into fooling around with my >machine. > >In my experience the problem with Linux is that these files are located >all over the place, and are not always obvious or even close to obvious. >The result is that if you are adding and removing applications there are >is a constant requirement for hacks and work arounds. On response is >that users shouldn't be constantly adding and subtracting applications, >but in my opinion that is a pretty weak solution. Given that users will >add and remove applications there process should be possible. > > I'm just going through something similar. I wanted to install "listener", which requires the libsndfile libraries, which I installed (compiled) in /usr/local/lib. Then I compiled listener from /usr/local/listener-0.4 directory. When I run listener, it can't find a library that was installed from the libsndfile libraries. The library exists and I tried locating it in several places, but it always says it doesn't exist. I have run into this various times doing other compiles and it definitely is a weakness of linux for a regular user. As long as I can rpm, I'm OK, but tar balls are a pain. And not every program is packaged. > >On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > > >> I think the best direction for configuration tools >>aimed at end users (esp people new to non-proprietary operating systems) >>is to design a good-looking, intuitive GUI that is, in function, as close to >>"edit the /etc/program.conf file" as possible. >> >>That's what makes sense to me. >> >>-Jeremy >> >> -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 02:40:22 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:40:22 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4074978E.4050600-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4074BB96.40003@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I believe you have to run "ldconfig" as root after installing the library for it to be found by the dynamic linker. As far as availability of packages goes, I would (once again) recommend Debian. Since I started using it, the only three non-packaged programs I have had to install where: - - Sun JDK1.4 - - Quake3 Arena Demo - - UT2004 Demo (which doesn't work because of lack of "DXTC/S3TC" compressed texture support. There is some CVS patch work-around, but I am too lazy.) Reason: all these are proprietary/can't be packaged. However, they all come with good commercial installers. Actually, I think someone should (has?) come up with a GUI for executing the usual "./configure;make;make install" steps and analyzing any errors. Moniz Family wrote: > I'm just going through something similar. I wanted to install > "listener", which requires the libsndfile libraries, which I installed > (compiled) in /usr/local/lib. Then I compiled listener from > /usr/local/listener-0.4 directory. When I run listener, it can't find a > library that was installed from the libsndfile libraries. The library > exists and I tried locating it in several places, but it always says it > doesn't exist. I have run into this various times doing other compiles > and it definitely is a weakness of linux for a regular user. As long as > I can rpm, I'm OK, but tar balls are a pain. And not every program is > packaged. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdLudRreNkzrRRLQRAiq5AJ9JoPTw4eu9XOpDIqJedttKAYkScQCfRM12 b63gdclfleB7FLeZJKM4930= =RKnB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 03:26:16 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:26:16 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <1081309416.9769.10.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> Message-ID: <4074C658.7030406@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here is my view on the subject: [Warning: long opinion essay to follow] Noah John Gellner wrote: > In my experience the problem with Linux is that these files are located > all over the place, and are not always obvious or even close to obvious. > The result is that if you are adding and removing applications there are > is a constant requirement for hacks and work arounds. On response is > that users shouldn't be constantly adding and subtracting applications, > but in my opinion that is a pretty weak solution. Given that users will > add and remove applications there process should be possible. As other people have mentioned, a proper package management system should take care of this. Also, you have to remember that Windows is no better. In my experience, 1/2 of uninstallers fail to even run. Also, there is very little standard/enforcement of where things go. Software installers put what they want, where they want it. And don't forget the registery - more than one company has made a profit selling sweepers for it. On Windows it's just less obvious, because it's impossible to know what should and should not be there. However, when the computer slows to a crawl 12 months later, it's re-install time! I don't know what the situation is on MacOSX. Anyone? > On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:23, Jeremy Wakeman wrote: > >> I think the best direction for configuration tools >>aimed at end users (esp people new to non-proprietary operating systems) >>is to design a good-looking, intuitive GUI that is, in function, as close to >>"edit the /etc/program.conf file" as possible. >> >>That's what makes sense to me. Take a look Webmin/Usermin. It's a browser-based configuration tool, which allows one to configure their system locally (or remotely) through a browser. It presents nearly all the options available in the config files, and has a modular design, so it can be modified to work with practically any program or service. It usually provides quick help popups on many common options. In my opinion, several things need to happen to make Webmin and (Debian) Linux in general trully user friendly: - - Better OS installers: While commercial Linux distributions already have X-based graphical installers, it would be nice to have one for Debian. That would make Debian trully the best distribution out there, because once past the installation it is a breaze to use. Especially, the installer must have an "express", "standard", and "custom" options. Express: Installation type + very several yes/no questions only. Standard: Enforce installation order (unlike current installer), use graphical tools to solve questions like partitioning, layout, package selection (an improved "tasksel"/built-in "Synaptic"?). Custom/Minimal: Install the base system only (like "debootstrap" does) and configure network+apt. This would be useful for downloading a pre-determined set of packages, such as part of an intelligent recovery script. Custom/Minimal (with X): This may or may not be a useful option. Configures a basic X environment using something like Fluxbox as the WM. This would allow one to use graphical tools like Synaptic to select the exact packages the user wants. Custom/Expert: Presents all options as with today's installer. There should be a text mode option at boot, that tries to implement at least /some/ of the above options (including expert of course). I know there is some work happening on this somewhere on the Debian team. - - Webmin should be installed by default in an express/standard installation, with a desktop/menu shortcut to launch it in the default browser (it may be confusing for some users to use "http://localhost:7000" at first). - - Webin needs a tutorial/task-oriented mode. I.E. a real Webmin tutorial, and a re-grouping of the modules/options by tasks/wizards. That way someone can say, "I want to share files with Samba", and they will be taken to the Samba configuration page and guided through a basic configuration (no TCP Buffer settings need to be displayed). Samba should be installed if it is not already (auto-apt?). - - For "express" installation to work, the Debian (and Linux in general) community needs to make a choice for the user regarding software packages to install. Someone who just got a computer and wants to e-mail their friend/family to tell them the good news does not want to read a 5-page comparison of KDE/GNOME, GDM/KDM, Firefox/Konqueror, etc. Choice is scary. How about two general software branches? A GTK-based and KDE-based branch can be picked based on eye-candy vs. speed choice. That is something users can easily understand. Of course software can and should be mixed. Wow. This has gotten very long, but I needed to write down my ideas somewhere. Congradulations if you are still reading :) - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAdMZdRreNkzrRRLQRAnujAJ48cT8MddD0GiOBwHDyKukY6x2G1ACfXeJM fZVB0pqXrDu4/R2xrEmcxvc= =qang -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 04:25:05 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4074C658.7030406-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074C658.7030406@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > - Better OS installers: While commercial Linux distributions already > have X-based graphical installers, it would be nice to have one for Not X-based but have you tried aptitude? I use apt-get but I've fired up aptitude a couple of times and it looks decent. Aptitude is ncurses based. > Debian. That would make Debian trully the best distribution out there, > because once past the installation it is a breaze to use. Especially, > the installer must have an "express", "standard", and "custom" options. It kind of has this now: neither: install all packages using apt after boot (express) [1] tasksel: sets of packages with sane titles (standard) dselect: insane number of packages (custom) [2] I know this is not what you meant though :) [1] This is how I install nearly all Debian boxes. [2] Don't use this kids. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 13:05:25 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:05:25 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1081015641.4607.3.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> Message-ID: <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> Noah John Gellner wrote: >I would like to activate the fortune plug-in for Squirrelmail (sm). >However, after setting sm up to use fortune I get a error >"/usr/games/fortune" not found. I did ln -s /usr/bin/fortune >/usr/games/fortune, and restarted sm, but still have the problem. Any >ideas? > > Dumb things I would check: 1) Does /usr/bin/fortune exist? What permissions does it have? 2) Switch to the www-data user (or whichever user Apache is running as) and run /usr/games/fortune Finally, it's possible that Apache/PHP is configured such that scripts can only access executables in some folders (e.g. /usr/bin/cgi-bin/*). You may have to move or make a symlink there for it to work. Good luck! Kareem -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 13:07:48 2004 From: kareem-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Kareem Shehata) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:07:48 -0400 Subject: RSS Protocol? In-Reply-To: <406C5DBC.16657.2B4035-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <406C5DBC.16657.2B4035@localhost> Message-ID: <40754EA4.5090101@shehata.ca> Paul King wrote: >I am interested in learning more on the RSS protocol, particularly any protocol >advertising itself as GPL (I am aware there is more than one RSS protocol at >this time). I am interested in writing my own source at this time. However, if >there is existing source out there that anyone is aware of, please bring it up. > >The purpose would be for the downloading of newsfeeds, not "blogging". > >Paul King > > An important distinction between protocol and implementation must be made here. RSS is "open" in that the specification for it is freely available. I've included links to the specs for 0.91, 0.92, 1.0 (RDF), and 2.0 below. Note that none of these are GPL - the standards are published, but that's about it. Now, the software that can read, parse, aggregate, format, and otherwise work with RSS feeds comes in many sizes and shapes. Much of it is GPL, including the links supplied by Frasier, and many are not. The question becomes, what do you want to do with the RSS data? http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss http://www.w3.org/RDF/ http://backend.userland.com/rss092 http://backend.userland.com/stories/rss091 Kareeem -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 13:47:14 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:47:14 -0400 Subject: file locations (was:the problem with Linux?) In-Reply-To: <200404071923.14334.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <005001c41cb2$1d07bfa0$9901800a@mastec.com> <20040407204600.GA9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200404071923.14334.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040408134713.GC9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 07:23:14PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > where does kde go in debian? 'cause everything you mentioned is the same on > my box (gentoo) but kde is stored in /usr/kde and all it's files are under > there (/usr/kde/share/ etc.) seems kinda dumb to me. same goes with > X11: /usr/X11R6/ X does for compatibility reasons (and probably for being such a huge thing) go in /usr/X11R6 with its own man, lib and such under it. kde is not special, and simply installs in /usr/share, /usr/lib, etc as it should. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 13:48:51 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:48:51 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4074978E.4050600-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040408134851.GD9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:06:38PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > I'm just going through something similar. I wanted to install > "listener", which requires the libsndfile libraries, which I installed > (compiled) in /usr/local/lib. Then I compiled listener from > /usr/local/listener-0.4 directory. When I run listener, it can't find a > library that was installed from the libsndfile libraries. The library > exists and I tried locating it in several places, but it always says it > doesn't exist. I have run into this various times doing other compiles > and it definitely is a weakness of linux for a regular user. As long as > I can rpm, I'm OK, but tar balls are a pain. And not every program is > packaged. Make sure /usr/local/lib is listed in /etc/ld.so.conf, then run ldconfig, and your lib should be possible to find. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 15:11:36 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:11:36 -0400 Subject: Kids and Linuxwas "the problem with Linux?" In-Reply-To: <20040408134851.GD9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> <20040408134851.GD9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404081111.36933.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, Yep, Linux is just too tough for people to grasp. Far too difficult for a Windows-trained user. Yep. Adults . . . even worse. That's why 4 year olds apparently have to trouble with it . http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/04/02/1424206.shtml Dang kids! They're always trying to make us look dumb . Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 15:57:18 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:57:18 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <40754E15.1040704-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> Message-ID: <1081439838.4489.3.camel@chef> First thanks for the list. It is a nice trouble shooting primer. No problem with 1 and 2. /usr/bin/fortune is what I made my link to and the link works fine. I su'ed to apache, which is the apache user and it has no problem executing the sym link. Where can I check the relevant configs for executable restrictions? On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 09:05, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Dumb things I would check: > > 1) Does /usr/bin/fortune exist? What permissions does it have? > > 2) Switch to the www-data user (or whichever user Apache is running as) > and run /usr/games/fortune > > Finally, it's possible that Apache/PHP is configured such that scripts > can only access executables in some folders (e.g. /usr/bin/cgi-bin/*). > You may have to move or make a symlink there for it to work. > -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 15:57:23 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:57:23 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <40754E15.1040704-d+8TeBu5bOew5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> Message-ID: <1081439838.4489.4.camel@chef> First thanks for the list. It is a nice trouble shooting primer. No problem with 1 and 2. /usr/bin/fortune is what I made my link to and the link works fine. I su'ed to apache, which is the apache user and it has no problem executing the sym link. Where can I check the relevant configs for executable restrictions? On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 09:05, Kareem Shehata wrote: > Dumb things I would check: > > 1) Does /usr/bin/fortune exist? What permissions does it have? > > 2) Switch to the www-data user (or whichever user Apache is running as) > and run /usr/games/fortune > > Finally, it's possible that Apache/PHP is configured such that scripts > can only access executables in some folders (e.g. /usr/bin/cgi-bin/*). > You may have to move or make a symlink there for it to work. > -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 15:59:40 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:59:40 -0400 Subject: double posting Message-ID: <1081439980.4489.7.camel@chef> Sorry for the double posting. My mouse button is hypersensitive and I don't know how to turn the sensitivity down. As a result, when I click It sometimes sends a double or triple click. Noah -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 16:23:39 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:23:39 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1081439838.4489.3.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> <1081439838.4489.3.camel@chef> Message-ID: <20040408162339.GA9334@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 11:57:18AM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > First thanks for the list. It is a nice trouble shooting primer. No > problem with 1 and 2. /usr/bin/fortune is what I made my link to and the > link works fine. I su'ed to apache, which is the apache user and it has > no problem executing the sym link. > > Where can I check the relevant configs for executable restrictions? > > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 09:05, Kareem Shehata wrote: > > Dumb things I would check: > > > > 1) Does /usr/bin/fortune exist? What permissions does it have? > > > > 2) Switch to the www-data user (or whichever user Apache is running as) > > and run /usr/games/fortune > > > > Finally, it's possible that Apache/PHP is configured such that scripts > > can only access executables in some folders (e.g. /usr/bin/cgi-bin/*). > > You may have to move or make a symlink there for it to work. Any chance that you have Apache set up to run in a chroot jail? That would make the original /usr/games/fortune be no longer accessible - you'd have to make it available in the chroot hierarchy (either by copy or link, but not using a symlink, and don't forget to provide access to the data files too). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 18:12:39 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 08 Apr 2004 14:12:39 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1081439838.4489.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> <1081439838.4489.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: Noah John Gellner writes: > First thanks for the list. It is a nice trouble shooting primer. No > problem with 1 and 2. /usr/bin/fortune is what I made my link to and the > link works fine. I su'ed to apache, which is the apache user and it has > no problem executing the sym link. Check your apache config. Look for lines like: Options ...blah blah... You'll need options like FollowSymLinks and ExecCGI set: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#options HTH, -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 18:39:22 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:39:22 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> <1081439838.4489.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <1081449561.5039.24.camel@chef> The options were already set. I also created the ./usr/games/fortune as a symbolic link under my web root. I will keep fooling around with it and if will post the solution if I get one. On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 14:12, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Check your apache config. Look for lines like: > > Options ...blah blah... > > You'll need options like FollowSymLinks and ExecCGI set: > > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#options -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 19:46:22 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:46:22 -0400 Subject: Fortune in Squirrelmail In-Reply-To: <1081449561.5039.24.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081015641.4607.3.camel@chef> <40754E15.1040704@shehata.ca> <1081439838.4489.4.camel@chef> <1081449561.5039.24.camel@chef> Message-ID: <20040408194622.GA10007@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 02:39:22PM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > The options were already set. > I also created the ./usr/games/fortune as a symbolic link under my web > root. If apache is running chroot'ed, then that symlink will jst be pointing to itself and not to the real /usr/games/fortune when Apache tries to execute it. Try copying the program - if that works, you'll have to follow up by copying the fortune database too unless you can use a hard link. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 8 22:49:47 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:47 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074C658.7030406@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <4075D70B.8070800@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Brockway wrote: > Not X-based but have you tried aptitude? I use apt-get but I've fired up > aptitude a couple of times and it looks decent. Aptitude is ncurses > based. Hmm, aptitude looks interesting. It seems to be able to do everything Synaptic does with a CLI interface. That would be useful for the text-mode install. I still think that if the Debian folks can come up with a GTK-based installer, adding Synaptic to the package won't be much of a problem. Remember, for average users aptitude = CLI (although it is not really CLI, it's ncurses, but try to explain that to a Windows user). People get scared when they can't use a mouse pointer to click familiar buttons, so eye-candy does count for something. btw, I also use apt-get when I need to install a specific program, but new users may not know what package they need, so they need to be guided in a comfortable way. >>Debian. That would make Debian trully the best distribution out there, >>because once past the installation it is a breaze to use. Especially, >>the installer must have an "express", "standard", and "custom" options. > > > It kind of has this now: > > neither: install all packages using apt after boot (express) [1] > tasksel: sets of packages with sane titles (standard) > dselect: insane number of packages (custom) [2] > > I know this is not what you meant though :) Actually, this is exactly what I meant. Debian already has all the tools anyone ever needs; they are just all over the place and overlap in functionality. The install process must be streamlined and choices made for the user (at the user's request). - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAddcSRreNkzrRRLQRAqbzAJ93xPTqodoD8ns0P7KmdSYuemIdIQCfZEfe phspcScNUmzyu3g367fVPwo= =9TUs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 00:34:42 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:34:42 -0600 Subject: Microsoft ad looks like "news" Message-ID: <20040409003442.GA53989@idiom.novusordo.net> I was just on the subway and started reading a headline in the Tech section of today's Globe and Mail over someone's shoulder: "Microsoft vs. Linux: A 360 Degree View" Oh, this should be interesting. Wait. What's this...the header on this page is different. It says, "This page presented by Microsoft." Fsck. So the whole top half of the page LOOKS like news (headline, columns, picture and all), but is really just a wad of FUD about how the Toronto (Ontario?) Catholic Schoolboard tried 308 Linux workstations and had them use 25-30% of the network to download software patches and code. Or something. I couldn't quite read it clearly, seeing as I wasn't holding it. Anyway, just thought I'd share, in case anyone gets asked about it or catches wind. It's not like you'll find it in any online version, I suspect, as it's an ad, not "news." It's disturbing (but not surprising in the least) that M$ would attempt to ride on the coattails of actual journalism while pushing purely their own agenda. What other insidious and dirty tricks are they up to, I wonder? -- taa If "everybody knows" such-and-such, then it ain't so, by at least ten thousand to one. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 00:38:16 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:38:16 -0600 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4074BB96.40003-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> <4074BB96.40003@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040409003816.GB53989@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:40:22PM -0400, Anton Markov wrote: > - - Sun JDK1.4 > - - Quake3 Arena Demo > - - UT2004 Demo (which doesn't work because of lack of "DXTC/S3TC" > compressed texture support. There is some CVS patch work-around, but I > am too lazy.) > > Reason: all these are proprietary/can't be packaged. However, they all > come with good commercial installers. Gentoo at least has ebuilds for programs such as these. You may be required to download or purchase the appropriate data on your own (due to EULA restrictions), but once the data are available, the ebuild will install it for you just as any other package. This should be entirely possible to do with pre- and post-install scripts with RPM and DEB packages, too, I imagine. I just don't know if anyone's ever done it outside the scope of a ports tree (i.e. Gentoo, BSD). -- taa If the universe has any purpose more important than topping a woman you love and making a baby with her hearty help, I've never heard of it. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 03:06:11 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: burning a DVD with xcdroast Message-ID: <20040409030611.67663.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> I am reading through documentation I found in http://www.xcdroast.org/manual/dvd.html It says ==11111=============================================================== Make sure you have a kernel version 2.4.x or higher. (you can test this with the command uname -a). Next, download the appropiate binary of cdrecord-ProDVD for your system from: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD For current linux distributions this would be the binary that ends in -i586-pc-linux-gnu, e.g. cdrecord-prodvd-2.01a12-i586-pc-linux-gnu What you downloaded is a binary, that means, it can directly be used. So, copy it to the xcdroast-bin directory (mostly /usr/lib/xcdroast-0.98/bin or /usr/local/lib/xcdroast-0.98/bin). Name it "cdrecord.prodvd". (I spent 2 hours of error tracking because I renamed it to "cdrecord-prodvd", what is wrong!) Call chmod 755 cdrecord.prodvd to make it executable. ==11111================================================================= ==22222================================================================= uname -a returned the following for me: Linux p4 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl #1 Wed Feb 18 16:38:32 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux the above was on one line but Yahoo Mail's word wrap forced "i386 GNU/Linux" to be on a seperate line. ==22222================================================================= ==33333================================================================= Im running an Intel P4 and going to ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD provides me with a list of files. My best guess for the file to download is cdrecord-prodvd-2.01a27-i686-pc-linux-gnu I was hoping to find a 2.4 in the file name but... Can anyone tell me if that is the correct file? ==33333================================================================= Is there perhaps a newer/other program that has DVD burning built right in to the application? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 04:50:02 2004 From: kris-y6ukv7ArdSHYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Kristofer Coward) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:50:02 -0400 Subject: Microsoft ad looks like "news" In-Reply-To: <20040409003442.GA53989-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409003442.GA53989@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040409045002.GL629@melon.org> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 06:34:42PM -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: > I was just on the subway and started reading a headline in the Tech > section of today's Globe and Mail over someone's shoulder: > "Microsoft vs. Linux: A 360 Degree View" > > Oh, this should be interesting. Wait. What's this...the header on > this page is different. It says, "This page presented by Microsoft." > > Fsck. > > So the whole top half of the page LOOKS like news (headline, columns, > picture and all), but is really just a wad of FUD about how the Toronto > (Ontario?) Catholic Schoolboard tried 308 Linux workstations and had > them use 25-30% of the network to download software patches and code. > Or something. I couldn't quite read it clearly, seeing as I wasn't > holding it. > > Anyway, just thought I'd share, in case anyone gets asked about it > or catches wind. It's not like you'll find it in any online version, > I suspect, as it's an ad, not "news." It's disturbing (but not surprising > in the least) that M$ would attempt to ride on the coattails of actual > journalism while pushing purely their own agenda. > > What other insidious and dirty tricks are they up to, I wonder? It's not really such a big deal. I remember seeing similar ads taken out by Rogers, touting news about how cable was demonstrably superior technology to DSL, thoug I doo seem to recall the Rogers ads having a slightly more humorous bent to them so that they were more obviously fake. -- Kristofer Coward http://unripe.melon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 2BF3 957D 310A FEEC 4733 830E 21A4 05C7 1FEB 12B3 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 06:33:10 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:33:10 -0600 Subject: burning a DVD with xcdroast In-Reply-To: <20040409030611.67663.qmail-3EMOyN1Vb5KA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409030611.67663.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040409063310.GA63270@idiom.novusordo.net> I believe the k3b tools can burn dvds using the dvd+rw-tools out of the box. -- taa If you pray hard enough, water will run uphill. How hard? Why, hard enough to make water run uphill, of course! - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 11:35:37 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:35:37 -0400 Subject: Microsoft ad looks like "news" In-Reply-To: <20040409003442.GA53989-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409003442.GA53989@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <0599B4AF-8A1A-11D8-BBF1-00039310151E@axxent.ca> On Thursday, April 8, 2004, at 08:34 PM, Taavi Burns wrote: > Oh, this should be interesting. Wait. What's this...the header on > this page is different. It says, "This page presented by Microsoft." I thought that was interesting, in that it didn't actually say that it was an Ad anywhere..."presented by" is sufficiently ambiguous to make people possibly assume it's something less biased. A somewhat subtle touch was that they printed it in their "Advertising" font. Looks to me as if the Globe was helping them be as deceiving as possible while still maintaining some deniability. It would be fun to know who approached who about the ad space. ("We're going to run a few pages of Linux stories...how much will you pay for the inclusion of a FUD-based rebuttal?") ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 10:23:55 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:23:55 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Microsoft ad looks like "news" In-Reply-To: <20040409003442.GA53989-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409003442.GA53989@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Taavi Burns wrote: > What other insidious and dirty tricks are they up to, I wonder? Well, it' an election year in that country. Mudslinging seems to be ok. As to the future, the road ahead (Bill's book) is a must read. He believes in free for all capitalism (Adam Smith style - the kind that led to Black Friday), says that they trusted him in school to do the roster using a computer and he 'added a few lines of code' to put himself in a class with mostly girls, and then tells how he would not study in college until the last week before the exams 'trying to see how far this can be pushed', and then jump on it and study like crazy for a week, to take the exam. His buddy on this was Steve Ballmer (that's where they met). It also says that they were 'afraid someone else would write code before them (Paul&Bill) and dominate the market' for the Altair computer (8080 based). What do you expect from a pattern like this ? 'World Domination' was a goal since he was not yet in college. As to the download bandwidth used by those users, so far the only things I had to download were applications that were not part of the Linux distros I used (which came with 2000+ applications themselves). Maybe they had a sysadmin who used apt-get over the net instead of updating a local machine to a local server. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 15:17:12 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:12 -0400 Subject: deleting CVS administrative directories recursively Message-ID: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I used to use CVS, and I am migrating to subversion. I don't have my CVS respository (long story), and so the CVS directories all over the place are of little use to me. I would like to remove them all, but I'm not sure how. Should I do a find piped to a rm, or is there a better way? I am uncertain of the best way to do this, and I'd rather not recursively deleted things I actually want, you know? Thanks. -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 15:18:35 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:18:35 -0600 Subject: deleting CVS administrative directories recursively In-Reply-To: <20040409151711.GA1195-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040409151835.GB78591@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 11:17:12AM -0400, William O'Higgins wrote: > I used to use CVS, and I am migrating to subversion. I don't have my > CVS respository (long story), and so the CVS directories all over the > place are of little use to me. I would like to remove them all, but I'm > not sure how. > > Should I do a find piped to a rm, or is there a better way? I am > uncertain of the best way to do this, and I'd rather not recursively > deleted things I actually want, you know? Thanks. You mean find piped to xargs which runs rm? find . -type d -name CVS | xargs rm -Rf You could also get find to invoke rm yourself, but this version with xargs would probably actually be faster, as it would fork one extra xargs, but fork far, far fewer copies of rm (xargs will fill the maximum commandline size with parameters). -- taa It is better to copulate than never. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 16:11:11 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:11:11 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040408134851.GD9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404062233.11148.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040407032341.GA7663@dmz> <1081309416.9769.10.camel@chef> <4074978E.4050600@sympatico.ca> <20040408134851.GD9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <4076CB1F.4010609@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 08:06:38PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > > >>I'm just going through something similar. I wanted to install >>"listener", which requires the libsndfile libraries, which I installed >>(compiled) in /usr/local/lib. Then I compiled listener from >>/usr/local/listener-0.4 directory. When I run listener, it can't find a >>library that was installed from the libsndfile libraries. The library >>exists and I tried locating it in several places, but it always says it >>doesn't exist. I have run into this various times doing other compiles >>and it definitely is a weakness of linux for a regular user. As long as >>I can rpm, I'm OK, but tar balls are a pain. And not every program is >>packaged. >> >> > >Make sure /usr/local/lib is listed in /etc/ld.so.conf, then run >ldconfig, and your lib should be possible to find. > > This worked (thanks Lennart and Anton). I guess it still speaks to subject of this thread. That is, some things are not too intuitive and can be frustrating to make work. On the other hand, there are others that are actually very easy to install and configure. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 16:30:49 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:30:49 -0400 Subject: deleting CVS administrative directories recursively In-Reply-To: <20040409151711.GA1195-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4076CFB9.8020905@rogers.com> William O'Higgins wrote: >I used to use CVS, and I am migrating to subversion. I don't have my >CVS respository (long story), and so the CVS directories all over the >place are of little use to me. I would like to remove them all, but I'm >not sure how. > >Should I do a find piped to a rm, or is there a better way? I am >uncertain of the best way to do this, and I'd rather not recursively >deleted things I actually want, you know? Thanks. > > You want sudo rm -rf /* no, I mean: find $start_here -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; Tom -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 16:49:54 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:49:54 -0400 Subject: deleting CVS administrative directories recursively In-Reply-To: <4076CFB9.8020905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 12:30:49PM -0400 References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4076CFB9.8020905@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040409124954.B3877@ee.ryerson.ca> A good preliminary step is to do a version of the find and destroy command that simply prints a list of the files. If these are the ones and only the ones that you want to erase, then rerun the command with the rm version. So using Tom's suggestion, first do find $start_here -name CVS which you could throttle by piping to 'more' or 'less', or you could redirect to a temporary file and then munge through with an editor. Then hold your breath and run the destroyer version: find $start_here -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; Peter On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 12:30:49PM -0400, Tom Legrady wrote: > > > William O'Higgins wrote: > > >I used to use CVS, and I am migrating to subversion. I don't have my > >CVS respository (long story), and so the CVS directories all over the > >place are of little use to me. I would like to remove them all, but I'm > >not sure how. > > > >Should I do a find piped to a rm, or is there a better way? I am > >uncertain of the best way to do this, and I'd rather not recursively > >deleted things I actually want, you know? Thanks. > > > > > > You want > > sudo rm -rf /* > > no, I mean: > > find $start_here -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; > > > Tom > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 16:52:20 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:52:20 -0400 Subject: deleting CVS administrative directories recursively In-Reply-To: <4076CFB9.8020905-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <4076CFB9.8020905@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040409165220.GA1513@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> I wrote: >>I used to use CVS, and I am migrating to subversion. I don't have my >>CVS respository (long story), and so the CVS directories all over the >>place are of little use to me. I would like to remove them all, but I'm >>not sure how. >> >>Should I do a find piped to a rm, or is there a better way? I am >>uncertain of the best way to do this, and I'd rather not recursively >>deleted things I actually want, you know? Thanks. >> >> On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 12:30:49PM -0400, Tom Legrady wrote: > find $start_here -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} \; On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 09:18:35AM -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: >You mean find piped to xargs which runs rm? > >find . -type d -name CVS | xargs rm -Rf > >You could also get find to invoke rm yourself, but this version >with xargs would probably actually be faster, as it would fork >one extra xargs, but fork far, far fewer copies of rm (xargs will >fill the maximum commandline size with parameters). Both of these work, thank you. Tom's solution has the added benefit(flaw?) of throwing an error for each hit, but with only a few dozen directories there is no appreciable difference in performance. Taavi's solution has the downside that I now have to make a note to spend time reading man xargs, because it looks like it'd be good to understand. -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 16:58:09 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:58:09 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment Message-ID: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> When I first started using Linux I had no background in Unix. I used to mount my windows 3.x partition to allow easy sharing of files. For some reason or other I decided to 'uninstall' Slackware and so su'ed, cd'ed to / and executed rm -rf *. My linux partition was only around 60 megs so I couldn't figure out why the command was taking so long to execute. I soon gained a deeper conceptual understanding of mounted filesystems. The unnuanced suggestion on the deleting CVS ... thread made me recall this sorry tale. -- Powerful, flexible, customizable - what more can you ask for? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 17:34:00 2004 From: tenger-ew0EfhANLmVEfu+5ix1nRw at public.gmane.org (Terrence Enger) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:34:00 -0400 Subject: Heinlein quote In-Reply-To: <20040409151835.GB78591-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20040409151835.GB78591@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040409133400.0107278c@mail.look.ca> At 09:18 2004-04-09 -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: > > It is better to copulate than never. > - Robert A. Heinlein I have read a fair bit of Heinlein, but I do not remember coming across that line. Can you tell us where it comes from? Thanks, Terry. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 17:56:19 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:56:19 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment In-Reply-To: <1081529888.4604.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <4076E3C3.2040806@alteeve.com> Mine was just recently. I was setting up Samba and wanted to move the user's home directories to the new hard drive so I issued the move home directory while I was logged in as a regular user. It moved almost every file in my folder (a LOT of work stuff), decided that it couldn't move all of them, and deleted the destination folder without first restoring the old directory. I lost everything. Grrr!! That was just bad coding, in my mind. How hard would it have been to see if a user was logged in an issue an error or at the very least leave the files where they were and issue an error or return the files to their source directory instead of just deleting them and dieing? I love Linux, it is my job and passion, but damn it was tried that day! Madison Noah John Gellner wrote: > When I first started using Linux I had no background in Unix. I used to > mount my windows 3.x partition to allow easy sharing of files. For some > reason or other I decided to 'uninstall' Slackware and so su'ed, cd'ed > to / and executed rm -rf *. My linux partition was only around 60 megs > so I couldn't figure out why the command was taking so long to execute. > I soon gained a deeper conceptual understanding of mounted filesystems. > > The unnuanced suggestion on the deleting CVS ... thread made me recall > this sorry tale. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 18:17:12 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:17:12 -0400 Subject: Heinlein quote In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20040409133400.0107278c-BF7s+LSmFG27ALip+uieHQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409151711.GA1195@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <3.0.3.32.20040409133400.0107278c@mail.look.ca> Message-ID: <200404091417.12864.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello Terry, On April 9, 2004 01:34 pm, Terrence Enger wrote: > At 09:18 2004-04-09 -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: > > It is better to copulate than never. > > - Robert A. Heinlein > > I have read a fair bit of Heinlein, but I do not remember > coming across that line. Can you tell us where it comes > from? It's from "Time Enough for Love", specifically in the first of the sections titled "Excerpts from the notebooks of Lazarus Long" (page 242 in the ancient copy on my bookshelf). The original quote, however, does not have a contraction of "it's". It is actually, "It is better to copulate than never". I don't know why I thought it was important to answer this one, but there you go . Take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 18:57:09 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:57:09 -0400 Subject: Microsoft ad looks like "news" In-Reply-To: <20040409003442.GA53989-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040409003442.GA53989@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <4076B9C5.5701.37557F@localhost> If you check the program at Real World Linux, session 318 on Thursday at 4:15 is a Micro$oft Canada manager, who will discuss "what CIOs neet to look for when making critical IT platform decisions..." RickT On 8 Apr 2004 at 18:34, Taavi Burns wrote: > What other insidious and dirty tricks are they up to, I wonder? > > -- > taa > > If "everybody knows" such-and-such, then it ain't so, > by at least ten thousand to one. > - Robert A. Heinlein > /*eof*/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 19:03:01 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:03:01 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) Re:Microsoft ad looks like "news" Message-ID: <4076BB25.9073.3CB1FA@localhost> Session 316 ...sorry. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Rick Tomaschuk To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Microsoft ad looks like "news" Date sent: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:57:17 -0400 If you check the program at Real World Linux, session 318 on Thursday at 4:15 is a Micro$oft Canada manager, who will discuss "what CIOs neet to look for when making critical IT platform decisions..." RickT On 8 Apr 2004 at 18:34, Taavi Burns wrote: > What other insidious and dirty tricks are they up to, I wonder? > > -- > taa > > If "everybody knows" such-and-such, then it ain't so, > by at least ten thousand to one. > - Robert A. Heinlein > /*eof*/ > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 19:36:19 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 15:36:19 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment In-Reply-To: <1081529888.4604.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <4076FB33.6090009@rogers.com> Noah John Gellner wrote: > When I first started using Linux I had no background in Unix. I used to > mount my windows 3.x partition to allow easy sharing of files. For some > reason or other I decided to 'uninstall' Slackware and so su'ed, cd'ed > to / and executed rm -rf *. My linux partition was only around 60 megs > so I couldn't figure out why the command was taking so long to execute. > I soon gained a deeper conceptual understanding of mounted filesystems. > > The unnuanced suggestion on the deleting CVS ... thread made me recall > this sorry tale. > Oh well... It was only a Windows system. No loss. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 20:23:38 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG Talk April 13: Advanced/Network shell scripting Message-ID: Hi. I sent this to announce a few days ago but haven't seen it pop out... so here it is again. Rob ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 00:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Brockway To: tlug-announce-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: TLUG Talk April 13: Advanced/Network shell scripting Date: April 13, 2004 Time: 7:30pm Location: Galbraith Building, U of T For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ Room: GB244 Speaker: Chris F.A. Johnson Topic: Advanced/Network shell scripting Robert Brockway TLUG Talks Maintainer -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 9 20:56:59 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:56:59 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment In-Reply-To: <4076FB33.6090009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 03:36:19PM -0400 References: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> <4076FB33.6090009@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040409165659.A6014@ee.ryerson.ca> On our first Unix system in the EE department at Ryerson, one of our profs executed some variant of rm -rf * and wondered why the command was taking so long to execute, until it announced: rm command not found or something equivalent. That was the point where the rm command had been deleted. And at one point I managed to flatten the entire directory structure so that all my files - thousands of them - ended up in my home directory. Fortunately, our systems guys were able to reverse that one. Peter On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 03:36:19PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Noah John Gellner wrote: > > When I first started using Linux I had no background in Unix. I used to > > mount my windows 3.x partition to allow easy sharing of files. For some > > reason or other I decided to 'uninstall' Slackware and so su'ed, cd'ed > > to / and executed rm -rf *. My linux partition was only around 60 megs > > so I couldn't figure out why the command was taking so long to execute. > > I soon gained a deeper conceptual understanding of mounted filesystems. > > > > The unnuanced suggestion on the deleting CVS ... thread made me recall > > this sorry tale. > > > > > Oh well... It was only a Windows system. No loss. ;-) > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 01:53:50 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 21:53:50 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem Message-ID: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> I have a HP Kayak XU800, with on-board Adaptec aic-7892 scsi. I am having problems installing on this system as it hangs upon attempting to load the aic-7xxx driver. After doing some research, I found that this seems to be a common occurance when installing RedHat-based distros. I have tried booting with these options linux linux apic linux noprobe ( then manually specifying the old adaptec scsi driver ) linux noprobe apic linux noprobe apic noapm linux noapm It makes no difference Has anyone here ever run into this and figured out a workaround? -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 02:43:57 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 22:43:57 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem In-Reply-To: <407753AE.2070703-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <40775F6D.3080500@rogers.com> > I have a HP Kayak XU800, with on-board Adaptec aic-7892 scsi. > Has anyone here ever run into this and figured out a workaround? There are two modules/drivers, or so I recall, for aic-7xxx... one older and one is newer. Do find /lib -name "aic*.o", I came up with aic7xxx_old.o and aic7xxx.o. I honestly don't know if it will make a difference for you, I've either one at various points and not really noticed a difference... but perhaps there is something particular to your situation that would be fixed by changing. If it does make a difference, post back to the list and let me know as I've always wondered about the two versions of the module. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 05:05:25 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG Talk April 13 Update Message-ID: Date: April 13, 2004 Time: 7:30pm Location: Galbraith Building, U of T For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ Room: GB244 Speaker: Chris F.A. Johnson Topic: Advanced shell scripting: network sockets and other techniques Summary: When the SWEN virus hit last September, I was receiving more than 2,000 150K e-mails a day. Downloading them from the POP3 server was slowing my computer to a crawl. The solution is a shell script which connects to the server, downloads the headers and the first few lines of each message, deletes those I didn't want, and downloads the rest. The presentation will look at: writing to and reading from network sockets notification when mail is on the server viewing headers deleting messages retrieving messages and will cover many tips and tricks for shell programming. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 06:36:04 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:36:04 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem In-Reply-To: <40775F6D.3080500-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> <40775F6D.3080500@rogers.com> Message-ID: <407795D4.5090606@pcsecurityonline.com> Byron Sonne wrote: >> I have a HP Kayak XU800, with on-board Adaptec aic-7892 scsi. Has >> anyone here ever run into this and figured out a workaround? > > > There are two modules/drivers, or so I recall, for aic-7xxx... one > older and one is newer. Do find /lib -name "aic*.o", I came up with > aic7xxx_old.o and aic7xxx.o. > > I honestly don't know if it will make a difference for you, I've > either one at various points and not really noticed a difference... > but perhaps there is something particular to your situation that would > be fixed by changing. If it does make a difference, post back to the > list and let me know as I've always wondered about the two versions of > the module. > > Tried both, with slightly dirrefernt results. The new driver just hangs, but the older driver makes the drives work for 2 or 3 minutes before it hangs. Still with the same result. I cant install. -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ //\ Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 15:00:26 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:00:26 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem In-Reply-To: <407795D4.5090606-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> <40775F6D.3080500@rogers.com> <407795D4.5090606@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <40780C0A.9050409@rogers.com> > Tried both, with slightly dirrefernt results. The new driver just hangs, > but the older driver makes the drives work for 2 or 3 minutes before it > hangs. Still with the same result. I cant install. That sucks. Can I assume you've checked termination and made sure the cables are in good condition? -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 15:10:14 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:10:14 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem In-Reply-To: <407795D4.5090606-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org> References: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> <40775F6D.3080500@rogers.com> <407795D4.5090606@pcsecurityonline.com> Message-ID: <40780E56.9060400@sympatico.ca> Jason Shein wrote: > > Tried both, with slightly dirrefernt results. The new driver just hangs, > but the older driver makes the drives work for 2 or 3 minutes before it > hangs. Still with the same result. I cant install. I had some problems with certain kernel versions not playing well with the 78xx. I had to do 'acpi=off' as an option for a while on various Gentoo builds Also try reseating card and cables. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 15:24:01 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:24:01 -0400 Subject: wireless problems: acx100 Message-ID: <40781191.7080105@sympatico.ca> I have two wireless cardbus cards: an SMC 2435W, and a D-Link DWL-650+. Both, annoyingly, have the same ACX100 chipset. I've installed the driver module () and the firmware () for the card, but so far, no joy. What I get from iwconfig with either card, after setting the ESSID and 128-bit WEP key: eth1 IEEE 802.11b+ ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"acx100 v0.2.0pre7" Mode:Managed Channel:6 Access Point: 00:06:25:E7:C4:C1 Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power:20 dBm Retry min limit:5 RTS thr:off Encryption key:F000-6B72-F000-5347-F000-078E-AD Security mode:open Power Management:off Link Quality:100/100 Signal level:65/100 Noise level:0/100 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 So I think it's seeing something. 'ifconfig eth1' gives me: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:C8:CF:63:56 inet6 addr: fe80::280:c8ff:fecf:6356/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:26 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:5609 (5.4 Kb) TX bytes:210 (210.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x4000 Taking eth0 down and bringing eth1 up results in no network. I know zilch about networking, I'm afraid. Help would be gratefully received. thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 15:15:06 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:15:06 -0400 Subject: SCSI problem In-Reply-To: <40780E56.9060400-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407753AE.2070703@pcsecurityonline.com> <40775F6D.3080500@rogers.com> <407795D4.5090606@pcsecurityonline.com> <40780E56.9060400@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: > > Tried both, with slightly dirrefernt results. The new driver just hangs, > > but the older driver makes the drives work for 2 or 3 minutes before it > > hangs. Still with the same result. I cant install. > > I had some problems with certain kernel versions not playing well with > the 78xx. I had to do 'acpi=off' as an option for a while on various > Gentoo builds > > Also try reseating card and cables. I've also found that some scsi cards refuse to work unless the IDs were enumerated starting from 0. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 17:37:35 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:37:35 -0400 Subject: wireless problems: acx100 In-Reply-To: <40781191.7080105-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40781191.7080105@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000201c41f22$835aeda0$0101010a@winxp> What is eth1 IP configuration? Static address? DHCP? Does your router/AP give out IP addresses through DHCP? I assume the WEP key is correct other wise link quality would be 0. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug at ss.org] On Behalf Of Stewart C. Russell Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:24 AM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: wireless problems: acx100 I have two wireless cardbus cards: an SMC 2435W, and a D-Link DWL-650+. Both, annoyingly, have the same ACX100 chipset. I've installed the driver module () and the firmware () for the card, but so far, no joy. What I get from iwconfig with either card, after setting the ESSID and 128-bit WEP key: eth1 IEEE 802.11b+ ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"acx100 v0.2.0pre7" Mode:Managed Channel:6 Access Point: 00:06:25:E7:C4:C1 Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power:20 dBm Retry min limit:5 RTS thr:off Encryption key:F000-6B72-F000-5347-F000-078E-AD Security mode:open Power Management:off Link Quality:100/100 Signal level:65/100 Noise level:0/100 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 So I think it's seeing something. 'ifconfig eth1' gives me: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:C8:CF:63:56 inet6 addr: fe80::280:c8ff:fecf:6356/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:26 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:5609 (5.4 Kb) TX bytes:210 (210.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x4000 Taking eth0 down and bringing eth1 up results in no network. I know zilch about networking, I'm afraid. Help would be gratefully received. thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 18:22:27 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:22:27 -0400 Subject: wireless problems: acx100 In-Reply-To: <000201c41f22$835aeda0$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <000201c41f22$835aeda0$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <40783B63.6070502@sympatico.ca> Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > What is eth1 IP configuration? Static address? DHCP? DHCP -- the Linksys router happily gives out addresses to my desktop, the laptop (over ethernet), and to Catherine's eMac over 802.11b -- but doesn't seem to care for my card. The WEP is definitely correct, otherwise, I'd get a line of zeros at the Access Point setting. thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 18:42:20 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:42:20 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers Message-ID: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Note: Tried sending via Gmane. Doesn't seem to work. Trying via normal ML. :) - ----------- Hi, all! I'm trying to switch from MTB to Postfix/Procmail/Bogofilter/Mutt combination to read my mail. I've found several useful guides on the net that helped me get started. But today I've encountered what probably is a Rogers-specific problem, so I thought maybe someone here has experience with this. I'm trying to relay my mail with postfix over ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com, which results in errors. :( In /etc/postfix/main.cf, I have "myhostname" set to "oasis.local", which is my machine name plus a made-up TLD. "mydomain" is just "local". I think the problem lies here, but I'm not sure. "relayhost" is "smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com". In my .muttrc, if I have "set from = ", and if I'm sending email to myself, I get the following response from the Rogers Postmaster: "host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 553 Due to a small error in your Email settings, you are currently unable to send Email. To quickly fix this, please visit the Transition Website at http://rogershelp.com/smtp to access automatic tools and instructions to fix this error. (in reply to end of DATA command)" If I send email to an address with another domain, I get this: "host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 550 relaying mail to anotherdomain.com is not allowed (in reply to RCPT TO command)" If I comment out "set from = " from .muttrc, the mail gets sent, but when it arrives, the "From" field is wrong. It becomes @.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com where it should simply be my real email address. Does anyone have an idea what's going on here? I could work around this by simply adding a "Reply-To:" header, but I'd rather avoid hacks if there's a simpler solution. Thanks for any help! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAeEAMd7EQcXYRh/oRAkq7AKDFoC/AyLpXWYwbj75HGHMPeV7MOQCgtiLo IuvBiEwUQxq6AFGyadgsrxA= =3PLV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 18:57:54 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:57:54 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers In-Reply-To: <4078400C.3050807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040410185754.GA482@butters.southtrak> A little unrelated, but I set up a slightly simpler scheme, but use ssmtp to relay mail to my ISP (golden.net) smtp server. The reason that I went this route was to avoid my mail getting filtered by other systems as spam. I am given to understand that this is becoming increasingly common. I initially tried a different method of sending and found that 60% or so of my mail wasn't received by the receipients, but I received to error. Very crappy. My scheme is to use fetchmail -> spamassassin -> bogofilter -> procmail -> Courier-Imap via maildir -> mutt/evolution/mozilla mail/etc As I mentioned I do very little as to smtp, using ssmtp in mutt and typically straight to my ISP for the other mail clients. On 14:42 Sat 10 Apr , Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > "host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 553 Due to a > small error in your Email settings, you are currently unable to send > Email. To quickly fix this, please visit the Transition Website at > http://rogershelp.com/smtp to access automatic tools and instructions to > fix this error. (in reply to end of DATA command)" -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 10 21:07:05 2004 From: pkay-Wu5PbJhdqlKw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Phil Kay) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:07:05 -0400 Subject: wireless problems: acx100 In-Reply-To: <40781191.7080105-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40781191.7080105@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1081631223.7892.9.camel@pc-00095.thekays.homeip.net> On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 11:24, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Taking eth0 down and bringing eth1 up results in no network. > > I know zilch about networking, I'm afraid. Help would be gratefully > received. > > thanks, > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml I'll respond to one of your earlier posts: I use a TrendNet TEW-221PC cardbus card and found that it works great. The manufacturer even provides a Linux Driver on their website. (Precompiled for RedHat 9 or you can compile your own.) Kismet has just released a new version with support for these cards. Also, I have found with wireless card (my own and a friends SMC pcmcia card) that if you ifdown and ifup a wireless card it will drop the iwconfig settings. So, I set the parameters with iwconfig and get access to the access point, and then use dhclient to get an ip. It works pretty well with WEP or without. -- Phil Kay -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 03:29:31 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: <200404062156.28925.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404062156.28925.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > The 5xx is part of the SMTP protocol itself. ?So it's seen on the guilty > > machine that's actually trying to send the mail, not the innocent one > > named on the envelope etc... > > I realized the rejection is at the smtp protocol level. That's fine if the > spam is being sent direct to the recipients smtp server (using spam malware > typically) but when a relay is involved (as one often is) I'd expect a bounce > to be generated. My impression is that exploiting relay machines is much less popular than it used to be, because it's so easy to just operate from zombie machines instead, giving more control. But I could be wrong; it's not something I've really kept track of. Yes, an incautious relay getting a 5xx error is probably going to send a bounce to the envelope sender. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 04:12:31 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:12:31 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers In-Reply-To: <4078400C.3050807-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1081656751.20707.6.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 14:42, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > In my .muttrc, if I have "set from = ", and if > I'm sending email to myself, I get the following response from the > Rogers Postmaster: > "host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 553 Due to a > small error in your Email settings, you are currently unable to send > Email. To quickly fix this, please visit the Transition Website at > http://rogershelp.com/smtp to access automatic tools and instructions to > fix this error. (in reply to end of DATA command)" This is because the Rogers SMTP server requires you to log in before sending the mail. You will have to configure SMTP AUTH under Postfix. Search Google for "smtp auth postfix" to find lots of info on how to get this working. Depending on your distribution and how they compiled Postfix, you may have to rebuild/recompile it with SASL support in it. I once tried to do this, but gave up for an easier solution. I don't use Rogers SMTP as a relay; I just have my Linux box do normal DNS lookups and connect directly to whomever I'm trying to send mail to. Mind you, this probably works because my machine's IP resolves to my personal domain (via dyndns). > If I send email to an address with another domain, I get this: > > "host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 550 relaying > mail to anotherdomain.com is not allowed (in reply to RCPT TO command)" Pretty normal response. No one allows relaying to hosts not in the local domain. > I could work around this by simply adding a "Reply-To:" header, but I'd > rather avoid hacks if there's a simpler solution. Why not just use your Linux box to send the mail directly to the recipients? Rogers doesn't block outbound/inbound SMTP (unlike Sympatico). pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 13:26:02 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:26:02 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools In-Reply-To: References: <200404062156.28925.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040411092602.46525c99.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Henry Spencer disseminated the following: > > I realized the rejection is at the smtp protocol level. That's fine if the > > spam is being sent direct to the recipients smtp server (using spam malware > > typically) but when a relay is involved (as one often is) I'd expect a > > bounce > > to be generated. > > My impression is that exploiting relay machines is much less popular than > it used to be, because it's so easy to just operate from zombie machines > instead, giving more control. But I could be wrong; it's not something > I've really kept track of. You are on the mark, I'm afraid: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60747,00.html -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Last time I heard, the United States was a liberal democracy too," -- Wesley Wark, security and intelligence expert, on the U.S. government report that alleges Canada is a favoured destination for terrorists, casting doubt on Canada's ability to toughen anti-terrorism and immigration laws, saying Canada's "liberal-democratic identity" may limit adoption of sterner measures. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 11:47:29 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:47:29 -0400 Subject: Filename conversion Message-ID: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> I imported from an XP OS a number of files into Linux. These files have names like "Set1 001.png" with a space beteen the Set1 and 001.png. These are picture files and can be displayed by by GIMP without a hitch inspite of the space char. However, anything else I want to do with these files fails due to the presence of the space. Any individual file can be renamed without problems, thereby eliminating the space char. However, this is quite cumbersome if there are a great number of files. Question: Is there an efficient way (perl ??) to deal with this for all such files in a particular directory? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 14:57:16 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:57:16 -0400 Subject: Great quote on Open Source community Message-ID: <20040411105716.7bd9eb0d.rob@cheapersafer.com> This was just such a great quote... "...the meanings, aims, visions, and aspirations of the open source community are difficult to pin down. Unlike the initial quote, which posits a unitary vision and goal for Linux hackers, closer inspection of the movement reveals a cacophony of voices and political positions: anarchic ideals of freedom, "tribal" gift-economy rhetoric, revolution, Star Wars imagery, web manifestos, evangelization to the corporate sector, the downfall of the "Evil Empire" (a.k.a. Microsoft), grass roots revolution, consumer choice and rights, community good, true market competition, DIY (Do it Yourself) culture, science as a public good, hacker cultural acceptance, functional superiority, and anti-Communist rhetoric are but a number of the terms, images, and visions promulgated by and attached to the open source community." The Politics of Survival and Prestige:Hacker Identity and the Global Production of an Operating System - By E. Gabriella Coleman - http://www.healthhacker.com/biella/masterslongversion.html -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 14:59:57 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:59:57 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers In-Reply-To: <1081656751.20707.6.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> <1081656751.20707.6.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <40795D6D.8010201@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Mora wrote: > On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 14:42, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > > >>In my .muttrc, if I have "set from = ", and if >>I'm sending email to myself, I get the following response from the >>Rogers Postmaster: >>"host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 553 Due to a >>small error in your Email settings, you are currently unable to send >>Email. To quickly fix this, please visit the Transition Website at >>http://rogershelp.com/smtp to access automatic tools and instructions to >>fix this error. (in reply to end of DATA command)" > > > This is because the Rogers SMTP server requires you to log in before > sending the mail. You will have to configure SMTP AUTH under Postfix. Ah, yes. I was wondering why I didn't have to authenticate with Rogers SMTP when sending mail. Hmm. > Search Google for "smtp auth postfix" to find lots of info on how to get > this working. Depending on your distribution and how they compiled > Postfix, you may have to rebuild/recompile it with SASL support in it. I'm using Gentoo, so I think I can just set a USE flag and recompile Postfix to get this working. There's a guide on the Gentoo forums, too. But I'm interested in your approach. > I once tried to do this, but gave up for an easier solution. I don't > use Rogers SMTP as a relay; I just have my Linux box do normal DNS > lookups and connect directly to whomever I'm trying to send mail to. > > Mind you, this probably works because my machine's IP resolves to my > personal domain (via dyndns). I have been using dyndns.org for a while now to SSH into my machine remotely, so my IP already resolves to my subdomain there. >>If I send email to an address with another domain, I get this: >> >>"host smtp.ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com[66.185.95.99] said: 550 relaying >>mail to anotherdomain.com is not allowed (in reply to RCPT TO command)" > > > Pretty normal response. No one allows relaying to hosts not in the > local domain. But if I comment out the "set from" line in my .muttrc, the mail does get through, albeit with a wrong "From:" header. Does this mean that if I don't specify my email address explicitly, Rogers assumes I'm in its domain? Sorry, I'm very new to this. >>I could work around this by simply adding a "Reply-To:" header, but I'd >>rather avoid hacks if there's a simpler solution. > > > Why not just use your Linux box to send the mail directly to the > recipients? Rogers doesn't block outbound/inbound SMTP (unlike > Sympatico). Would you mind telling more about it, or maybe pointing me in the right direction so I could do a little research myself? I'll Google around nevertheless. This sounds very interesting. Thanks! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAeV1sd7EQcXYRh/oRAlNnAKDKApPTk0165+xQdQt6jquFnmqJ3gCcCZZE 5Fl5OrAguWU/U5A9gkUVHa0= =tY42 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 15:11:21 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:11:21 -0400 Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <200404110747.29926.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: You can deal with spaces by using an escape character. eg: ls Set1\ 00?.png You can also do a simple bash loop to rename all of them to strip the space. eg: for file in Set1*; do mv "$file" Set1${file##Set1\ }; done The above will rename all file like "Set1 001.png" to "Set1001.png" Note that the quotes around $file are important, to preserve the space as part of the filename when $file gets expanded. -Jing On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:47:29 -0400 > From: John Wildberger > Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > To: tlug > Subject: [TLUG]: Filename conversion > > I imported from an XP OS a number of files into Linux. These files have names > like "Set1 001.png" with a space beteen the Set1 and 001.png. These are > picture files and can be displayed by by GIMP without a hitch inspite of the > space char. > However, anything else I want to do with these files fails due to the presence > of the space. Any individual file can be renamed without problems, thereby > eliminating the space char. However, this is quite cumbersome if there are a > great number of files. > Question: Is there an efficient way (perl ??) to deal with this for all such > files in a particular directory? > John > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 16:36:32 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:36:32 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull Message-ID: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> Hi all, I just had to plunk in a new MoBo (P6VEM), and I ain't getting any sound from the onboard AC97, using either the ALSA or OSS driver. I've upgraded to the latest kernel available, 2.4.22-28mdk, just to be sure. Of course, I've made sure that sound is not muted with aumix. I have tried with artsd running, and not. I tried google.com/linux, but posts on this subject are either old, not appropos, or in German. The board is a VIA Apollo chipset, with onboard VT82C686 [Apollo Super AC97/Audio] sound. I get [OK]'s for everything at startup, ALSA loads ok, everything looks good to go. No apps complain about not finding a sound device, AFAICT, but nothing from Beep, MPlayer, ROX MusicBox, GnomeCD, etc. How to further troubleshoot this? Thanks guys! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Behind every great fortune is a crime." -- Balzac -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 17:24:12 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: > The board is a VIA Apollo chipset, with onboard VT82C686 [Apollo Super > AC97/Audio] sound. Have you tried the various different outlets? On my school workstation, I have to use the red plug to get sound. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 18:54:15 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:54:15 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) Message-ID: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> I thought I would try gnome 2.6 so I "apt-got" gnome, waited for the slew of updates and logged in to a gnome-session (via kdm) nuthin' happened. kdm config, I guessed. there must me some way of pointing to the new gnome environment, but I have no idea how. Well maybe kde3.2 can figure it out, I thought, so "apt-get install kde" ! The update process was huge and successfull (no errors) but now when I attempt to log into a kde session I get the same fat nuthin' as gnome. Helooo icewm. What am I doing wrong ? thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 18:17:03 2004 From: marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Marc Lijour) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:17:03 -0400 Subject: Mandrake mirrors disappeared? Message-ID: <200404111417.03328.marc@lijour.net> Where are the rpms? Do you know something about that? I need electricfence, kind of urgent. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 18:29:18 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:29:18 -0400 Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <200404110747.29926.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040411182918.GA4174@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 07:47:29AM -0400, John Wildberger wrote: > I imported from an XP OS a number of files into Linux. These files have names > like "Set1 001.png" with a space beteen the Set1 and 001.png. These are > picture files and can be displayed by by GIMP without a hitch inspite of the > space char. > However, anything else I want to do with these files fails due to the presence > of the space. Any individual file can be renamed without problems, thereby > eliminating the space char. However, this is quite cumbersome if there are a > great number of files. > Question: Is there an efficient way (perl ??) to deal with this for all such > files in a particular directory? Exactly what do you want to do? - If you want to specify spaces, then play with ls Set1?001.png ls Set1\ 001.png ls "Set1 001.png" ls 'Set1 001.png' - If you want to rename them, then play with mv 'Set1 001.png' Set1_001.png or use other printable character in place of space. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 18:33:28 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:33:28 -0400 Subject: Mandrake mirrors disappeared? In-Reply-To: <200404111417.03328.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404111417.03328.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <20040411183328.GA1463@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: >Where are the rpms? Do you know something about that? > >I need electricfence, kind of urgent. I don't know where they went, but rpmfind.net is your friend. Here's a shortcut for electricfence (watch for wrap): http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=electricfence&submit=Search+... -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 18:19:04 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:19:04 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <20040411182918.GA4174-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040411182918.GA4174@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > - If you want to specify spaces, then play with > ls Set1?001.png > ls Set1\ 001.png > ls "Set1 001.png" > ls 'Set1 001.png' Or simply specify spaces in the filenames (using quotes or escapes as shown by others). Or sumply press TAB at a shell prompt and he shell will escape it for you. As in gimp Set1001. Linux/bash does not care what the filename chars are as long as there's no literal NUL in them. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 19:21:51 2004 From: robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Robert McDonald) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:21:51 -0400 Subject: Great quote on Open Source community References: <20040411105716.7bd9eb0d.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <000701c41ffa$3ed9c240$9e02a8c0@2k> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-05-18-011-05-NW-LF Notice the date May 1999 and now a dateless article from you know who http://www.microsoft.com/canada/getthefacts/default.mspx Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sutherland" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: [TLUG]: Great quote on Open Source community > > This was just such a great quote... > > "...the meanings, aims, visions, and aspirations of the open source community are difficult to pin down. Unlike the initial quote, which posits a unitary vision and goal for Linux hackers, closer inspection of the movement reveals a cacophony of voices and political positions: anarchic ideals of freedom, "tribal" gift-economy rhetoric, revolution, Star Wars imagery, web manifestos, evangelization to the corporate sector, the downfall of the "Evil Empire" (a.k.a. Microsoft), grass roots revolution, consumer choice and rights, community good, true market competition, DIY (Do it Yourself) culture, science as a public good, hacker cultural acceptance, functional superiority, and anti-Communist rhetoric are but a number of the terms, images, and visions promulgated by and attached to the open source community." > > The Politics of Survival and Prestige:Hacker Identity and the Global Production of an Operating System - By E. Gabriella Coleman - http://www.healthhacker.com/biella/masterslongversion.html > > > -- > Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org > Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 19:37:16 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:37:16 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers In-Reply-To: <40795D6D.8010201-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> <1081656751.20707.6.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40795D6D.8010201@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404111537.16269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 11 April 2004 10:59, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > > Mind you, this probably works because my machine's IP resolves to my > > personal domain (via dyndns). > > I have been using dyndns.org for a while now to SSH into my machine > remotely, so my IP already resolves to my subdomain there. Technically not, your IP resolves to a Rogers hostname, that is controlled by Rogers and nothing you do with dyndns.org will change that. > > Why not just use your Linux box to send the mail directly to the > > recipients? Rogers doesn't block outbound/inbound SMTP (unlike > > Sympatico). > > Would you mind telling more about it, or maybe pointing me in the right > direction so I could do a little research myself? I'll Google around > nevertheless. This sounds very interesting. I expect you'll need parameters something like this: myhostname = mail.subdomain.dyndns.org myorigin = subdomain.dyndns.org append_dot_mydomain = yes # Skip this if you like mydestination = subdomain.dyndns.org relayhost = # Needn't be specified, here to show that it is not set As long as your machine has functional dns things should just work. Postfix will lookup mx records for other domains and relay mail directly to the appropriate host. Relaying directly from a dynamic ip pool you will run into sites that blacklist your mail. For that reason, and for technical satisfaction, you may wish to pursue authenticated relaying through Rogers servers ... I haven't set that up before so I can't offer any pointers. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:03:21 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:03:21 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <40799457.5010607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404111603.21121.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 11 April 2004 14:54, David J Patrick wrote: > Well maybe kde3.2 can figure it out, I thought, so "apt-get install kde" > ! The update process was huge and successfull (no errors) but now when I > attempt to log into a kde session I get the same fat nuthin' as gnome. > Helooo icewm. > What am I doing wrong ? I haven't looked through the startup in huge detail so there might be a better way but this seems to work for me: Want GNOME? echo /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession Want KDE? echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession There's also a file ~/.dmrc which is where kdm (and presumably other display managers) track your choice of Session. My .dmrc looks like this: [Desktop] Session=kde Presumably you can set Session=gnome in there if you like. I've seen the blank screen syndrome as well (I'm guessing that's what you see?) and the .xsession trick seems to get around it. When I launch a gnome session I get a blank screen the only option seems to be a middle click that gets you a menu ... that's with gnome 2.4. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:07:37 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:07:37 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <40799457.5010607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040411200737.GB1463@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 02:54:15PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: >I thought I would try gnome 2.6 so I "apt-got" gnome, waited for the >slew of updates and logged in to a gnome-session (via kdm) nuthin' happened. >kdm config, I guessed. there must me some way of pointing to the new >gnome environment, but I have no idea how. >Well maybe kde3.2 can figure it out, I thought, so "apt-get install kde" >! The update process was huge and successfull (no errors) but now when I >attempt to log into a kde session I get the same fat nuthin' as gnome. >Helooo icewm. Yes, exactly. Or openbox, fluxbox, pekwm etc... >What am I doing wrong ? >thanks, Look around for a program called switchdesk, which allows you to point and click your way to a new desktop environment. This is just a front-end for modifying files such as ~/.xsession-default and ~/.xinitrc. Take a look at those files and see what they say. I don't know off-hand what the gnome start command is, but you can find that out. KDE is, I think, startkde. Try these and similar from a prompt and see what you get. -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:11:28 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:11:28 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404111603.21121.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404111603.21121.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404111611.28885.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 11 April 2004 16:03, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I haven't looked through the startup in huge detail so there might be a > better way but this seems to work for me: > > Want GNOME? > > echo /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession > > Want KDE? > > echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession > > There's also a file ~/.dmrc which is where kdm (and presumably other > display managers) track your choice of Session. My .dmrc looks like this: > > [Desktop] > Session=kde > > Presumably you can set Session=gnome in there if you like. I've seen the > blank screen syndrome as well (I'm guessing that's what you see?) and > the .xsession trick seems to get around it. When I launch a gnome session > I get a blank screen the only option seems to be a middle click that gets > you a menu ... that's with gnome 2.4. Since you mentioned apt I assumed you were using Debian. So in addition to my instruction possibly being incorrect for Debian, they may also be incorrect for other distros ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:20:47 2004 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <200404110747.29926.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > I imported from an XP OS a number of files into Linux. These files have names > like "Set1 001.png" with a space beteen the Set1 and 001.png. These are > picture files and can be displayed by by GIMP without a hitch inspite of the > space char. > However, anything else I want to do with these files fails due to the presence > of the space. Any individual file can be renamed without problems, thereby > eliminating the space char. However, this is quite cumbersome if there are a > great number of files. man rename There seems to be more than one flavour of rename out there. On my Slackware system, to change the spaces to underscores, "rename ' ' _ *" would do the job. On my debian system, it would be "rename 's/ /_/' *". So check your man page. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:21:20 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 11 Apr 2004 20:21:20 -0000 Subject: Filename conversion Message-ID: <20040411202120.25004.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:22:05 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 11 Apr 2004 20:22:05 -0000 Subject: Filename conversion Message-ID: <20040411202205.25045.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 20:22:53 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 11 Apr 2004 20:22:53 -0000 Subject: Filename conversion Message-ID: <20040411202253.25129.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 21:13:13 2004 From: roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: 11 Apr 2004 17:13:13 -0400 Subject: Hello there Message-ID: <1081717988.2293.4.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> How is every one doing? I have downloaded a java plugin for netscape 6 for linux. I looked for installation instructions and couldn't find any. I was wondering if any of you would tell me how to install a *.bin plugin into my browser. Thank you in advance Stephen Oulton roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 21:34:25 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:34:25 -0400 Subject: Hello there In-Reply-To: <1081717988.2293.4.camel-dKL88l7hNfq+7LdUnWLbWeRNwQ1nxAZKTJmjD0f5kqEKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081717988.2293.4.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040411213425.GA13592@butters.southtrak> I recently installed this plugin for mozilla and I guess that the procedure is similar. You are not clear whether you have the rpm or not so I will only be able to point you in the direction of some documentation. a *.bin file is a self extracting compressed file. Here is Sun's documentation: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/install-linux.html#self-extracting. That link provides documentation for both versions of the file. To install the plugin itself have a look at: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html The Cliff notes version is to create a symbolic link to the libarary in your plugins directory. While you are there, the plugin doc website has a lot of handy infor for other plugins. Cheers, Noah On 17:13 Sun 11 Apr , Stephen wrote: > I have downloaded a java plugin for netscape 6 for linux. I looked for > installation instructions and couldn't find any. > > I was wondering if any of you would tell me how to install a *.bin > plugin into my browser. > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 21:49:01 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:49:01 -0400 Subject: Relaying mail over Rogers In-Reply-To: <200404111537.16269.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4078400C.3050807@rogers.com> <1081656751.20707.6.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40795D6D.8010201@rogers.com> <200404111537.16269.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4079BD4D.4040902@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Sunday 11 April 2004 10:59, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > > >>>Mind you, this probably works because my machine's IP resolves to my >>>personal domain (via dyndns). >> >>I have been using dyndns.org for a while now to SSH into my machine >>remotely, so my IP already resolves to my subdomain there. > > > Technically not, your IP resolves to a Rogers hostname, that is controlled by > Rogers and nothing you do with dyndns.org will change that. You are right. I was typing in a hurry. I meant to say that my dyndns.org subdomain already points to my IP address. >>>Why not just use your Linux box to send the mail directly to the >>>recipients? Rogers doesn't block outbound/inbound SMTP (unlike >>>Sympatico). >> >>Would you mind telling more about it, or maybe pointing me in the right >>direction so I could do a little research myself? I'll Google around >>nevertheless. This sounds very interesting. > > > I expect you'll need parameters something like this: > > myhostname = mail.subdomain.dyndns.org > myorigin = subdomain.dyndns.org > append_dot_mydomain = yes # Skip this if you like > mydestination = subdomain.dyndns.org > relayhost = # Needn't be specified, here to show that it is not set > > As long as your machine has functional dns things should just work. Postfix > will lookup mx records for other domains and relay mail directly to the > appropriate host. Indeed. It just worked. :) Thanks. > Relaying directly from a dynamic ip pool you will run into sites that > blacklist your mail. For that reason, and for technical satisfaction, you > may wish to pursue authenticated relaying through Rogers servers ... I > haven't set that up before so I can't offer any pointers. I don't send a lot of mail, but the mail that I send I expect to get to its destination, so I'm going with the SMTP AUTH approach, although sending directly from my box also worked. A guide on Gentoo forums helped me set everything up in this regard. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=56633. It's not very Gentoo-centered, except for the "emerge" commands. Thanks for everyone's help! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAeb1Nd7EQcXYRh/oRAom7AJsFqkIbT8ntUHMFOZvuMU7zhJm6SACg9p4k 9AgbBAoVODiLBGsswMnC3Zc= =fmK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 21:59:17 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:59:17 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4079BFB5.10309@rogers.com> JoeHill wrote: > I tried google.com/linux, but posts on this subject are either old, not > appropos, or in German. Or Thick As A Brick. ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 22:48:34 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:48:34 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: References: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040411184834.0c7b92ed.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Jing Su disseminated the following: > > The board is a VIA Apollo chipset, with onboard VT82C686 [Apollo Super > > AC97/Audio] sound. > > Have you tried the various different outlets? > On my school workstation, I have to use the red plug to get sound. Red Plug? -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Gauging the number of Iraqi civilian casualties since the war began is difficult because the U.S.-led occupation force does not count them..." -- Letta Tayler, Newsday, March 7th 2004 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 23:33:44 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:33:44 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <20040411200737.GB1463-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <20040411200737.GB1463@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040411193344.2a1031ed.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:07:37 -0400 William O'Higgins disseminated the following: > >Helooo icewm. > > Yes, exactly. Or openbox, fluxbox, pekwm etc... Pekwm! > >What am I doing wrong ? > >thanks, > > Look around for a program called switchdesk, which allows you to point > and click your way to a new desktop environment. This is just a > front-end for modifying files such as ~/.xsession-default and > ~/.xinitrc. Take a look at those files and see what they say. I don't > know off-hand what the gnome start command is, ...in your ~/.xinitrc: exec gnome-session > but you can find that out. KDE is, I think, startkde. Try these and similar > from a prompt and see what you get. Just 'kde' will do it. Not that I'm advising the use of KDE in any way whatsoever! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I don't give a hoot about what people have to say, I'm laughing as I'm analyzed, Lunatics Anonymous, that's where I belong, sure 'cuz I am one, til my strength is gone yeah this beat goes on..." -- The Kings -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 11 23:40:27 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <200404110747.29926.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > I imported from an XP OS a number of files into Linux. These files have names > like "Set1 001.png" with a space beteen the Set1 and 001.png. These are > picture files and can be displayed by by GIMP without a hitch inspite of the > space char. > However, anything else I want to do with these files fails due to the presence > of the space. Any individual file can be renamed without problems, thereby > eliminating the space char. However, this is quite cumbersome if there are a > great number of files. > Question: Is there an efficient way (perl ??) to deal with this for all such > files in a particular directory? It's easy to convert them with bash: for file in *\ * do mv "$file" "${file// /_}" done -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 02:15:32 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:15:32 -0400 Subject: Hello there In-Reply-To: <1081717988.2293.4.camel-dKL88l7hNfq+7LdUnWLbWeRNwQ1nxAZKTJmjD0f5kqEKu2YovVVDERgSKFK9O5hcLMHrShElKjA@public.gmane.org> References: <1081717988.2293.4.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040411221532.49f8557a.rob@cheapersafer.com> On 11 Apr 2004 17:13:13 -0400 Stephen wrote: > How is every one doing? > > I have downloaded a java plugin for netscape 6 for linux. I looked for > installation instructions and couldn't find any. > > I was wondering if any of you would tell me how to install a *.bin > plugin into my browser. Hey Steve :-) It's been so long since I've installed Netscape I can't remember much excwpt that it involved making a symlink to the JRE library from your plugin directory under the main netscape install directory. I've been using Firefox for a while and it's pretty cool. Here's the link for the download: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ and the plugin http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/en-AU/linux.html#Java and the Java plugin install Take care, Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 01:39:49 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:39:49 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: Apr 27th. NewTLUG meeting: Documentation: Reading, Writing and Publishing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040412013949.GA1023@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:28:20PM -0400, Herb Richter wrote: > Location: room 1208 (SEQ building) Seneca College > SEQ building belongs to Seneca College and is a part of > the Seneca-0vOcVYEplY8 at public.gmane.org Campus, which is physically located just > south of York University, at Keele/Steeles. > Parking: Paid parking is available on campus. Anyone know free or cheaper parking area? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 02:38:59 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:38:59 -0400 Subject: fetchmail, pop, imap, and privacy Message-ID: <20040412023859.GA3711@butters.southtrak> I use fetchmail and cron to pull messages from my university and ISP mail servers. I started running ettercap to check out my system and discovered that my usernames and password are being sent as plain text! Is there a better way to pull down mail? cheers, Noah -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 03:55:38 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:55:38 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404111603.21121.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404111603.21121.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407A133A.4080804@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On Sunday 11 April 2004 14:54, David J Patrick wrote: > > > >>Well maybe kde3.2 can figure it out, I thought, so "apt-get install kde" >>! The update process was huge and successfull (no errors) but now when I >>attempt to log into a kde session I get the same fat nuthin' as gnome. >>Helooo icewm. >>What am I doing wrong ? >> >> > >I haven't looked through the startup in huge detail so there might be a better >way but this seems to work for me: > >Want GNOME? > > echo /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession > >Want KDE? > > echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession > >There's also a file ~/.dmrc which is where kdm (and presumably other display >managers) track your choice of Session. My .dmrc looks like this: > > Well here's the thing; I've got no ~/.xsession nor ~./dmrc ! Should I just create them ? I feel inadequate ! short changed ! I rooted around /etc/ too, with no luck. Did I mention I'm using debian ? (I asumed reference to apt-this&that would be enough of a clue) >[Desktop] >Session=kde > >Presumably you can set Session=gnome in there if you like. I've seen the >blank screen syndrome as well (I'm guessing that's what you see?) > What I see is this; the kdm log-in dialog (and it's background) with a selection of user buttons and input widgets for username, password, as well as dropdowns for session, menu and .. another thing I can't remember. None of it leads to deeper session options. On selection of either a gnome or kde session, the dialog goes away (leaving the purty debian background) and that's it. I have to ctrl-alt-f2 and kill gconf via "top". Don't get me wrong, icewm is workable, but man I should be able to get the new kde and gnome to run. thanks for your help, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:04:20 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:04:20 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (?) In-Reply-To: <20040411193344.2a1031ed.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <20040411200737.GB1463@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20040411193344.2a1031ed.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407A1544.7060800@sympatico.ca> JoeHill wrote: >On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:07:37 -0400 >William O'Higgins disseminated the following: > > > >>>Helooo icewm. >>> >>> >>Yes, exactly. Or openbox, fluxbox, pekwm etc... >> >> Yo Joe ! sure lightweight DMs are super ! I personally thing xfce4 would be swell, but, you guessed it, I can't get it started ! stopped trying months ago, asuming it was an xfce weirdness.. guess not ! >...in your ~/.xinitrc: > >exec gnome-session > > but Joe.. I ain't got no ~/.xinitrc wish I did ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 03:30:59 2004 From: mr.mcgregor-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (John McGregor) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:30:59 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and jethro Tull Message-ID: <407A0D73.4040300@sympatico.ca> I've got a similar issue in Mandrake 9.2 and a SB Live card that only partially works -- for whatever reason I only get sound with Frozen Bubble. In my research I came across this link that addresses a problem with sound and certain Via southbridge chipsets and thought that it might be some help to you. http://meineseite.one.at/Manfred/linux/ John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:39:07 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:39:07 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <40799457.5010607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407A1D6B.1090505@sympatico.ca> So, I says to myself, surely this is an older bent version of kdm. apt-get to the rescue, right ? root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get install kdm Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or speci olution). root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libxv1 The following NEW packages will be installed: libxv1 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 837 not upgraded. 237 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/131kB of archives. After unpacking 295kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y (Reading database ... 172449 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb (-- ): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in packa bs dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) should I dive in and move/delete/rename /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0 ? should I apt-get upgrade ? (had screwd up eveything, in the past) reinstall ? start looking for that ol' Win98SE disk ? (kidding) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:33:00 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 00:33:00 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <407A1D6B.1090505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407A1D6B.1090505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040412043300.GA3243@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:39:07AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: >So, I says to myself, surely this is an older bent version of kdm. >apt-get to the rescue, right ? > >root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get install kdm >Reading Package Lists... Done >Building Dependency Tree... Done >You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: >The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed > libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed > mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed >E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or speci >olution). >root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get -f install >Reading Package Lists... Done >Building Dependency Tree... Done >Correcting dependencies... Done >The following extra packages will be installed: > libxv1 >The following NEW packages will be installed: > libxv1 >0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 837 not upgraded. >237 not fully installed or removed. Okay. You have bigger|more complex|more interesting problems than not having .xinitrc. Not having it is not the end of the world, but you are sure to have something if you can initiate X from the console. Show us the highlights of files starting with .x or .X in $HOME. The other problems I alluded to are in the last couple of lines I quoted of apt-get output: 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 837 not upgraded. 237 not fully installed or removed. This suggests to me that even though you occasionally run apt-get update, you don't upgrade your system as a whole. So, you have a large number of packages that think they're out of date (837, which is a lot). Then there are 237 that are broken or confused. I am unsure what this means with regard to your X issues, but it's probably related.* The switchdesk program I mentioned earlier is in KDE proper. Can you start a KDE session? Or is icewm the only thing that works? Lastly, you appear to starting your sessions with kdm, which lets(requires) you to log in graphically. To kill X off and start fresh from the console, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace three times to tell X you really don't want to play any more, and then see what happens when you run startx. * Running apt-get upgrade can be scary and can go wrong, as you have apparently discovered. Similarly, apt-get dist-upgrade sidesteps some of the simple upgrade problems, but presents different ones. I would encourage you to find a human safety net to help you through some of this, and then it will make much more sense to you and you'll be able to do it for yourself. -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:31:15 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 12 Apr 2004 04:31:15 -0000 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) Message-ID: <20040412043115.5269.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:32:12 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 12 Apr 2004 04:32:12 -0000 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) Message-ID: <20040412043212.5445.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 04:32:55 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 12 Apr 2004 04:32:55 -0000 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) Message-ID: <20040412043255.5507.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 06:35:43 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:35:43 -0400 Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200404120235.43660.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 11, 2004 04:20 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > There seems to be more than one flavour of rename out there. On my > Slackware system, to change the spaces to underscores, "rename ' ' _ *" > would do the job. On my debian system, it would be "rename 's/ /_/' *". > So check your man page. my system (gentoo) does it the slackware-way, but really want the debian-way. any idea where i could get it? -- never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups - unknown -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 06:39:11 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:39:11 -0400 Subject: Filename conversion In-Reply-To: <200404120235.43660.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404110747.29926.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404120235.43660.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404120239.11243.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 12, 2004 02:35 am, gabriel wrote: > On April 11, 2004 04:20 pm, John Vetterli wrote: > > There seems to be more than one flavour of rename out there. On my > > Slackware system, to change the spaces to underscores, "rename ' ' _ *" > > would do the job. On my debian system, it would be "rename 's/ /_/' *". > > So check your man page. > > my system (gentoo) does it the slackware-way, but really want the > debian-way. any idea where i could get it? nevermind. the solution was far too easy: # emerge rename that's it, i'm goin' to bed. -- the more law and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. - lao-tsu -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 10:48:48 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:48:48 -0400 Subject: fetchmail, pop, imap, and privacy In-Reply-To: <20040412023859.GA3711-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040412023859.GA3711@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <407A7410.4040400@rogers.com> Noah John Gellner wrote: > I use fetchmail and cron to pull messages from my university and ISP > mail servers. I started running ettercap to check out my system and > discovered that my usernames and password are being sent as plain text! > Is there a better way to pull down mail? First off, you don't need to use cron to run fetchmail. It can be configured to run at intervals. Also, all mail clients leave the username and password exposed, unless you can use ssl with your ISP. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 13:47:36 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:47:36 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today Message-ID: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a very, very slow news day ;-) The articles were fair, IMO. It looks like most of the articles are online for those that don't get the star (go to http://www.thestar.com/ and check the Business section). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 13:57:40 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 12 Apr 2004 09:57:40 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: <200404120947.36547.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in > the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a > reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a > very, very slow news day ;-) It's a build up to RealWorldLinux tomorrow. I bet that there's a RWL ad in there somewhere ;) That reminds me. If anyone wants a discount, both CLUE and NewTLUG have discount codes [25% off any paid registration]: > Not much time left, however I don't recall seeing any info being > distributed previously. Did I miss it? BTW, if NewTLUG members use their > conference discount code, they will receive a 25% discount on all > conference paid sessions. > CODE: L220 FOR NEWTLUG > CODE: A107 FOR CLUE > (Both receive a 25% conference discount) Go to: http://www.realworldlinux.com -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 14:16:03 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404121016.03324.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 09:57, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > It's a build up to RealWorldLinux tomorrow. I bet that there's a RWL ad in > there somewhere ;) I don't recall seeing any RWL ad, I might have missed it but I don't think so. It would certainly seem like a prime opportunity for advertising though. Hmm, now I just have to decide, fishing or RWL ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mbrooke-/Cj5NKJ/OI6BUy7/sJONFg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 14:30:17 2004 From: mbrooke-/Cj5NKJ/OI6BUy7/sJONFg at public.gmane.org (Michael A. Brooke) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:30:17 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407AA7F9.2070701@magstarinc.com> Yes, but the Star was not the only one. The National Post had articles in its Saturday paper I believe. With a very interesting ad from Microsoft, claiming that MS Server was a cheaper solution in 5 years to Linux. Mike G. Matthew Rice wrote: >Fraser Campbell writes: > > >>Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in >>the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a >>reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a >>very, very slow news day ;-) >> >> > >It's a build up to RealWorldLinux tomorrow. I bet that there's a RWL ad in >there somewhere ;) > >That reminds me. If anyone wants a discount, both CLUE and NewTLUG have >discount codes [25% off any paid registration]: > > > > >>Not much time left, however I don't recall seeing any info being >>distributed previously. Did I miss it? BTW, if NewTLUG members use their >>conference discount code, they will receive a 25% discount on all >>conference paid sessions. >>CODE: L220 FOR NEWTLUG >>CODE: A107 FOR CLUE >>(Both receive a 25% conference discount) >> >> > >Go to: > http://www.realworldlinux.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 14:34:25 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: <200404120947.36547.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in > the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a > reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a > very, very slow news day ;-) > > The articles were fair, IMO. It looks like most of the articles are online > for those that don't get the star (go to http://www.thestar.com/ and check > the Business section). Did you miss Thursday's Report on Business in the Globe and Mail? Five pages of decent Linux reporting, followed by the obligatory one page ad from Microsoft. Included in the marketing piece was a story about one Linux installation that overloaded the network when 300+ terminals (workstations?) were upgraded at once. I'd love to hear the whole story on that one. Can we start a Top Ten list of how many ways an inexperience adminstrator might have screwed that one up? So this customer ended up scurrying back to Microsoft. I bet that's a story that gets rolled out often. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 14:43:47 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 12 Apr 2004 10:43:47 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org writes: > So this customer ended up scurrying back to Microsoft. I bet that's a > story that gets rolled out often. Well, my favourite story lately has been: http://news.com.com/2008-1082-5065859.html That's one guy that isn't running back to M$ anytime soon. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 14:58:32 2004 From: lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Anita T.) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:58:32 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: <200404120947.36547.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407AAE98.6080601@linux.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in > the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a > reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a > very, very slow news day ;-) The Toronto Star has a booth at the Real World Linux show, so maybe it'll be Linux week at the Star :) - Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 16:04:50 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:04:50 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <20040412043300.GA3243-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407A1D6B.1090505@sympatico.ca> <20040412043300.GA3243@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <407ABE22.3090404@sympatico.ca> William O'Higgins wrote: >Okay. You have bigger|more complex|more interesting problems than not >having .xinitrc. Not having it is not the end of the world, but you are >sure to have something if you can initiate X from the console. Show us >the highlights of files starting with .x or .X in $HOME. > > there's .wmrc (doesn't start with .x*, but seemed relevent, contains merely "kde") then .Xauthority .Xdefaults .xfdeskmenurc .xfwm4rc .xgalscores .xkoules-controls .xscreensaver .xsession-errors .xskat.opt >The other problems I alluded to are in the last couple of lines I quoted >of apt-get output: 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 837 not >upgraded. 237 not fully installed or removed. > >This suggests to me that even though you occasionally run apt-get update, >you don't upgrade your system as a whole. So, you have a large number >of packages that think they're out of date (837, which is a lot). Then >there are 237 that are broken or confused. I am unsure what this means >with regard to your X issues, but it's probably related.* > >The switchdesk program I mentioned earlier is in KDE proper. Can you >start a KDE session? Or is icewm the only thing that works? > > icewm, fluxbox, xfce (but not xfce4) work fine. It's only those that I updated that are broken .. >Lastly, you appear to starting your sessions with kdm, which >lets(requires) you to log in graphically. To kill X off and start fresh >from the console, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace three times to tell X you >really don't want to play any more, and then see what happens when you >run startx. > > Annoyingly, kdm bounces to life after the first invocation of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and I can't seem to get past it ! >* Running apt-get upgrade can be scary and can go wrong, as you have >apparently discovered. > It only crippled my system 3 out of 4 times. I understand that the whole system will otherwise slide slowly into a broken|confused state, so what's a guy to do ? >Similarly, apt-get dist-upgrade sidesteps some >of the simple upgrade problems, but presents different ones. > Worth trying first ? > I would >encourage you to find a human safety net to help you through some of >this, and then it will make much more sense to you and you'll be able to >do it for yourself. > > Yes, I like the sound of that, Sadly, web-footed gurus are not exactly lined up to de-munge my bent box. This is something I feel we TLUGnuts should set up; penguin home delivery at reasonable rates. Sometimes I wonder if some of my trouble isn't a result of the fact that this debian install was spawned from a knoppix 3.2 HD install (not 100% debian) and I am considering a full re-install via bonzai. I appreciate your efforts to help, your a good man William O'Higgins ! cheers, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 15:06:26 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:06:26 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404121106.26225.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 10:43, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Well, my favourite story lately has been: > > ? ? ? ? http://news.com.com/2008-1082-5065859.html > > That's one guy that isn't running back to M$ anytime soon. Great story, hadn't heard that one. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 15:13:57 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:13:57 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment In-Reply-To: <1081529888.4604.4.camel-eNWt+zeTO50@public.gmane.org> References: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> Message-ID: <407AB235.9030702@alteeve.com> I was reading this and I again thought about how I want to build a set of apps to offer network services to mixed clients. EB talked about how everything was server-side and under MS clients I know that I can do that (and have) with Samba via roaming profiles and such. I am still at a bit of a loss though about how I can/should go about duplicating the same thing for Linux clients and, ideally, for mixed clients. I have been trying over and over to get my head around OpenLDAP in the hopes of using it for central authentication of all clients and then mounting a user's home off on NFS mounts but I just can't seem to figure out how to do despite reading how-tos. I've got a much better understanding of LDAP and NFS then I used to but I can't seem to pull it all together to make it happen. I have torn apart and am about to rebuild by test network yet again and I am hoping that some people here who have actually implemented centralized networking could let me know what they use and, if possible, how. Thanks! (I don't want to be an admin you guys read about after making some momentus flub!) Madison Noah John Gellner wrote: > When I first started using Linux I had no background in Unix. I used to > mount my windows 3.x partition to allow easy sharing of files. For some > reason or other I decided to 'uninstall' Slackware and so su'ed, cd'ed > to / and executed rm -rf *. My linux partition was only around 60 megs > so I couldn't figure out why the command was taking so long to execute. > I soon gained a deeper conceptual understanding of mounted filesystems. > > The unnuanced suggestion on the deleting CVS ... thread made me recall > this sorry tale. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 15:15:43 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:15:43 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <407ABE22.3090404-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <20040412043300.GA3243@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <407ABE22.3090404@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404121115.43605.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 12:04, David J Patrick wrote: > Sometimes I wonder if some of my trouble isn't a result of the fact that > this debian install was spawned from a knoppix 3.2 HD install (not 100% > debian) and I am considering a full re-install via bonzai. Yes it probably contributes to some of your troubles. Debian packages generally upgrade flawlessly. Once you start mixing packages from other sources you will generally get conflicts (two packages wanting to provide the same file is common). Did you try what I suggested yet: echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession Provided you still have startkde that might fix your problem, regardless of whether you currently have a .xsession or not (you've pointed out that you don't). If I were you I'd do a full upgrade to Debian's testing version. Unfortunately, due to knoppix being in the mix, if you aren't comfortable with the intricacies of apt and dpkg that might be a bigger bite than you can chew :-( -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 16:30:22 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:30:22 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <200404121115.43605.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <20040412043300.GA3243@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <407ABE22.3090404@sympatico.ca> <200404121115.43605.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407AC41E.3080605@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >Did you try what I suggested yet: > > echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession > No, I hadn't, and I don't seem to have startkde, either ! (at least, nowhere under /usr) >If I were you I'd do a full upgrade to Debian's testing version. > > I'm currently running (on three cylinders) unstable. >Unfortunately, due to knoppix being in the mix, if you aren't comfortable >with the intricacies of apt and dpkg that might be a bigger bite than you can >chew :-( > > You could be right, Fraser, there seems to be a considerable amount of choking going on ! Thanks for your suggestions, if you have any further thoughts, fire 'em in ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 15:34:50 2004 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:34:50 -0400 Subject: Problem upgrading Linux 7.2 to 9 In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407AB71A.3080204@totaltravelmarketing.com> Hi Gentlemen and Ladies. I am trying to upgrade from Linux 7.2 to 9.0, but when it comes to the part of reading/finding packages to upgrade it gets stuck and freezes the process, this server in particular got problems before when I tried to install Apple zone on this computer, had to play around with it until we handle to make it to work, I believe something got wrong during all the playing with installing and uninstalling RPM for that software, for a while KDE rpm package wouldn't load until I got a copy of from another Linux server (which btw is not the same version, it's 6.2) and Gnomerpm just won't load at all. Any ideas or suggestions? I've been trying to configure Openldap 2.1 and it won't work as well, it just won't take not even the sample database, it always gives me error messages that it does not recognize the database. I would appreciate any hints. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 17:08:11 2004 From: jose-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK at public.gmane.org (Jose) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:08:11 -0400 Subject: Problem upgrading Linux 7.2 to 9 In-Reply-To: References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407ACCFB.7010502@totaltravelmarketing.com> Ps the file I copy was libdb.so.2 Hi Gentlemen and Ladies. I am trying to upgrade from Linux 7.2 to 9.0, but when it comes to the part of reading/finding packages to upgrade it gets stuck and freezes the process, this server in particular got problems before when I tried to install Apple zone on this computer, had to play around with it until we handle to make it to work, I believe something got wrong during all the playing with installing and uninstalling RPM for that software, for a while KDE rpm package wouldn't load until I got a copy of from another Linux server (which btw is not the same version, it's 6.2) and Gnomerpm just won't load at all. Any ideas or suggestions? I've been trying to configure Openldap 2.1 and it won't work as well, it just won't take not even the sample database, it always gives me error messages that it does not recognize the database. I would appreciate any hints. Jose -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 17:27:40 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 12 Apr 2004 13:27:40 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <407AC41E.3080605-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <20040412043300.GA3243@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <407ABE22.3090404@sympatico.ca> <200404121115.43605.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407AC41E.3080605@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: David J Patrick writes: > Fraser Campbell wrote: > > >Did you try what I suggested yet: > > > > echo /usr/bin/startkde > ~/.xsession > > > No, I hadn't, and I don't seem to have startkde, either ! (at least, nowhere > under /usr) In some versions of KDE (3.1.x IIRC), the start script is called kde3. So: echo kde3 > ~/.xsession chmod +x ~/.xsession -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 17:31:23 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 12 Apr 2004 13:31:23 -0400 Subject: worst Linux moment In-Reply-To: <407AB235.9030702-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081529888.4604.4.camel@chef> <407AB235.9030702@alteeve.com> Message-ID: Madison Kelly writes: > I have been trying over and over to get my head around OpenLDAP in the hopes > of using it for central authentication of all clients and then mounting a > user's home off on NFS mounts but I just can't seem to figure out how to do > despite reading how-tos. I've got a much better understanding of LDAP and NFS > then I used to but I can't seem to pull it all together to make it happen. > > I have torn apart and am about to rebuild by test network yet again and I am > hoping that some people here who have actually implemented centralized > networking could let me know what they use and, if possible, how. If you aren't worried about security (i.e. a LAN of "trusted" users protected by a firewall) and you don't need to authenticate MS clients using the same authentication protocol, use NIS. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 19:54:57 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: 12 Apr 2004 15:54:57 -0400 Subject: Powering Off Message-ID: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> I installed Mandrake 8.2 a while back on my sister PC, which is now dual boot while they're weaning themselves off of windows. I remember during the install keeping only the packages I thought they'd need and after the install removing a bunch of servers I didn't think were necessary. I may have removed too much because the pc won't power off in linux, but it does in windows. Does anyone know which package or service does the powering off at the end of shutdown? I have tried the commands 'halt', 'halt -p', 'shutdown -h now', so am thinking a package or service is missing. Thanks. John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 20:17:56 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:17:56 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <1081799696.2229.36.camel-thgD4jtpAAwjJ4TUVx1uciTESWmHG720@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> Message-ID: <20040412201756.GA1292@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 03:54:57PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > I installed Mandrake 8.2 a while back on my sister PC, which is now dual > boot while they're weaning themselves off of windows. I remember during > the install keeping only the packages I thought they'd need and after > the install removing a bunch of servers I didn't think were necessary. > > I may have removed too much because the pc won't power off in linux, but > it does in windows. Does anyone know which package or service does the > powering off at the end of shutdown? I have tried the commands 'halt', > 'halt -p', 'shutdown -h now', so am thinking a package or service is > missing. modprobe apm -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 12 23:40:57 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:40:57 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <007001c420e7$9a841c60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Yes, sad thing is that TLUG will (unlike last year) NOT be at RealWorld Linux... Colin McGregor ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Matthew Rice" To: ; Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Toronto Star today > Fraser Campbell writes: > > Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in > > the business section are about Linux with one exception. Is this a > > reflection of the level of Linux hype, the sad state of the Star or just a > > very, very slow news day ;-) > > It's a build up to RealWorldLinux tomorrow. I bet that there's a RWL ad in > there somewhere ;) > > That reminds me. If anyone wants a discount, both CLUE and NewTLUG have > discount codes [25% off any paid registration]: > > > > Not much time left, however I don't recall seeing any info being > > distributed previously. Did I miss it? BTW, if NewTLUG members use their > > conference discount code, they will receive a 25% discount on all > > conference paid sessions. > > CODE: L220 FOR NEWTLUG > > CODE: A107 FOR CLUE > > (Both receive a 25% conference discount) > > Go to: > http://www.realworldlinux.com > -- > g. matthew rice starnix inc. > phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 00:55:15 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:55:15 -0400 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: <200404120947.36547.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407B3A73.5060900@rogers.com> > Interesting Toronto Star business section today. All articles (5 pages) in > the business section are about Linux with one exception. Ya know, there's a number of people & relatives over the years who have bitched at me that the TorStar is a commie rag, overly pro union, etc, but it goes to show you that those who lean a little more to the left are often more open minded and intelligent ;) -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gwalsh-HFI606nGbY9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 01:34:08 2004 From: gwalsh-HFI606nGbY9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Gary Walsh) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:34:08 -0400 Subject: Mandrake mirrors disappeared? In-Reply-To: <200404111417.03328.marc-bbkyySd1vPWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404111417.03328.marc@lijour.net> Message-ID: <407B4390.1060908@oeone.net> Marc Lijour wrote: > Where are the rpms? Do you know something about that? > > I need electricfence, kind of urgent. > Mandrake has changed the mirror tree structure. Some mirrors may not have properly changed. Here is the new arrangement: /Mandrakelinux/ /devel/ /cooker/ /contrib/ community -> 10.0 /10.0/ /isos/ /testing/ /club/ /official/ current -> 9.2 /9.2/ /9.1/ /9.0/ /updates/ /isos/ /old/ -- Gary Walsh Kitchener, Ontario, Canada gwalsh-HFI606nGbY9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org http://www.oeone.net/gwalsh -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 00:41:35 2004 From: ndavey3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Nick Davey) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:41:35 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <1081799696.2229.36.camel-thgD4jtpAAwjJ4TUVx1uciTESWmHG720@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> Message-ID: <407B373F.8040306@cogeco.ca> Moniz Family wrote: >I installed Mandrake 8.2 a while back on my sister PC, which is now dual >boot while they're weaning themselves off of windows. I remember during >the install keeping only the packages I thought they'd need and after >the install removing a bunch of servers I didn't think were necessary. > >I may have removed too much because the pc won't power off in linux, but >it does in windows. Does anyone know which package or service does the >powering off at the end of shutdown? I have tried the commands 'halt', >'halt -p', 'shutdown -h now', so am thinking a package or service is >missing. > >Thanks. > >John. > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > modprobe acpi, however you might want to check to make sure the stock kernel in that distro has acpi compiled in, or at least is available as a module. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 02:26:21 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:26:21 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <407B373F.8040306-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> <407B373F.8040306@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: > modprobe acpi, however you might want to check to make sure the stock > kernel in that distro has acpi compiled in, or at least is available as > a module. Someone previously also mentioned 'modprobe apm'. Make sure you use only one or the other. The two are exclusive and I'm not sure if the system works right if you load both. ACPI is preferred if supported by your kernel/mother-board. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 04:07:27 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:07:27 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <1081799696.2229.36.camel-thgD4jtpAAwjJ4TUVx1uciTESWmHG720@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> Message-ID: <407B677F.9030200@truxtar.com> You could try to execute "init 0" as root. What exactly happens when you type "shutdown -h now"? Do you get some kind of error message? Moniz Family wrote: > I may have removed too much because the pc won't power off in linux, but > it does in windows. Does anyone know which package or service does the > powering off at the end of shutdown? I have tried the commands 'halt', > 'halt -p', 'shutdown -h now', so am thinking a package or service is > missing. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 04:07:50 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 13 Apr 2004 04:07:50 -0000 Subject: Powering Off Message-ID: <20040413040750.10924.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 04:08:39 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 13 Apr 2004 04:08:39 -0000 Subject: Powering Off Message-ID: <20040413040839.10982.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 04:09:43 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 13 Apr 2004 04:09:43 -0000 Subject: Powering Off Message-ID: <20040413040943.11073.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 14:17:31 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:17:31 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404071708.45734.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:08:45 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > > I've resisted this until now but since the distro questions have come up > elsewhere in the thread what the heck ... > > I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using Fedora ever > tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora route? I am > genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any reasons > to choose Fedora personally. Fraser, I have just left my Red Hat 8 laptop over at my mother's place. Hopefully, she will like it better than the various Windows 95/98 machines she has had access to (i.e. hopefully it will work :) If everything works out, I will be looking for a way to build a user friendly linux desktop. I figure that my primary requirement is for a good manual. There is a Red Hat Linux Fedora for Dummies out there. I figure I can solve all the technical problems. I have used Slackware in the past, and I was happy with it. It seems to be getting harder to find Linux distributions in the regular stores. Selecting something I can find on the bookshelves at Chapters seems to me to be a good idea. I have spent around eight years running Linux. Can anyone suggest good beginner's literature? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 11:11:49 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:11:49 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy Message-ID: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> The storage of files on floppies in Linux is different than in the "other" OS. Say, you have 20 files in a directory, where each file is 400kb long. Now you copy the directory to a floppy by " cp * /mnt/floppy" . Then you umount the floppy and subsequently mount it again. Next check what you have on the floppy with "ls". It will list all the 20 files, but actually only 3 and a half files are on the floppy. If the files happen to be picture files with the .jpg or .png extension you will be able to display the last incomplete file as a partial picture. I hate to see what happens when the last incomplete file happens to be an executable file. Chances are that the computer will hang or the program will end in the neverland region of memory. There is no checking during storage if there is enough space left to store the last file in its entirety. Also the listing of the complete directory with all the 20 files can be very confusing. You might try to execute the sixth file in the list, only to get an error message. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 14:28:53 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:28:53 -0600 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404130711.50236.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040413142852.GA54141@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 07:11:49AM -0400, John Wildberger wrote: > The storage of files on floppies in Linux is different than in the "other" OS. ...not really... > Say, you have 20 files in a directory, where each file is 400kb long. Now you > copy the directory to a floppy by " cp * /mnt/floppy" . Then you umount the At 20 times 400kB, you should fill the floppy after 3 files. > floppy and subsequently mount it again. Next check what you have on the > floppy with "ls". It will list all the 20 files, but actually only 3 and a Um...that sounds like a bug. I've never had that happen to me. > There is no checking during storage if there is enough space left to store the > last file in its entirety. Of course there is. Why it's not working for you is an entirely different matter... > Also the listing of the complete directory with all the 20 files can be very > confusing. You might try to execute the sixth file in the list, only to get > an error message. This shouldn't happen. I can think of one possible explanation. You start copying files, LInux starts moving stuff over, but returns you to the command prompt early (since it does some pretty heavy caching on async-mounted filesystems, which floppies are normally NOT mounted as for exactly this reason). Then you issue the unmount command (which should not return until the cache has been flushed). If you take the floppy out before the cache is flushed, then yes, you'll get a corrupted disc. The reason that one might get Linux thinking that it has more than 1.44MB is because (for ext2 filesystems at least) it allows one to use the disk cache as part of the actual disk space...basically overcomitting. Now, it should not let you unmount in that state; it should require you to remove files until there is enough space to cleanly unmount. You were not very specific as to what distribution or filesystem you were using. If you have any interest in finding out why this happened to you, it would be helpful. And remember: floppies are flaky! -- taa Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 14:44:05 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:44:05 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404130711.50236.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040413144405.GA4358@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 07:11:49AM -0400, John Wildberger wrote: > The storage of files on floppies in Linux is different than in the "other" OS. > Say, you have 20 files in a directory, where each file is 400kb long. Now you > copy the directory to a floppy by " cp * /mnt/floppy" . Then you umount the > floppy and subsequently mount it again. Next check what you have on the > floppy with "ls". It will list all the 20 files, but actually only 3 and a > half files are on the floppy. If the files happen to be picture files with > the .jpg or .png extension you will be able to display the last incomplete > file as a partial picture. I hate to see what happens when the last > incomplete file happens to be an executable file. Chances are that the > computer will hang or the program will end in the neverland region of memory. > There is no checking during storage if there is enough space left to store the > last file in its entirety. > Also the listing of the complete directory with all the 20 files can be very > confusing. You might try to execute the sixth file in the list, only to get > an error message. Go away, you troll. You would get "out of space" error message. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 12:06:00 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:06:00 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <20040413142852.GA54141-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040413142852.GA54141@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <200404130806.00792.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 10:28 am, Taavi Burns wrote: > You were not very specific as to what distribution or filesystem you were > using. If you have any interest in finding out why this happened to you, it > would be helpful. > > And remember: floppies are flaky! What I said applies to a Mandrake 9.1 system. The Floppy is an external USB Floppy. I only posted this as a curiousity item with the thought in mind that it might interest someone. One respondent found it necessary to "troll" me. I think that this type of exploration is more useful than talking about political issues for any length. I will refrain from bringing such matters to the attention of the group again. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 15:38:29 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:38:29 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <20040413144405.GA4358-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040413144405.GA4358@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <200404131138.29812.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 13, 2004 10:44 am, William Park wrote: > Go away, you troll. You would get "out of space" error message. that wasn't very nice. no need to be rude. i thought his observations were interesting. -- let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. - mark twain -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rschick-eim8+Pn+3sRpPcNj/TqqnQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 16:09:04 2004 From: rschick-eim8+Pn+3sRpPcNj/TqqnQ at public.gmane.org (Russell Schick) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:09:04 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration Message-ID: Hi, I'm the head of webcast testing for the Open Source Conference, and I need your help. This conference is going to be webcast using ePresence to a large remote audience and I need to ensure that our webcasting infrastructure can handle the load. We plan to verify the system with three test sessions, listed below. As an incentive to you, if you participate in at least two of the three test sessions, your name will be put into a draw to win one of five free webcast registrations for the Open Source Conference. ePresence is web based and we want Linux users to participate! If you can help us out by participating in these tests, please send me an email, and I'll send you a special user name and password to login to the system, along with further instructions on how to test that your system will work with ePresence. The three webcasts are: Apr. 15: 3:30-5:00pm Panel: Collaborative Learning Objects Moderator: Jutta Treviranus (RCAT, KMDI) Panelists: Lawrence Spero (Medicine, KMDI) & Robert Luke (OISE/UT, KMDI Fellow) Apr. 22: 3:30-5:00pm Bill Buxton {Buxton Design & CS) The Role of Design in Software Product Development May 8: 3:00-3:30pm Ron Baecker Highlights of CHI 2004 Thanks a lot for your time and consideration. Russell Schick --------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Open Source Conference, go to http://osconf.kmdi.utoronto.ca/ To find out more about the ePresence interactive webcasting system, visit http://epresence.kmdi.utoronto.ca/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1012 bytes Desc: not available URL: From srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 16:16:16 2004 From: srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (srb) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:16:16 -0400 Subject: IBM ad in Globe in Mail Message-ID: <407C1250.7070008@softhome.net> Hi, I read with interest the messages about all the Linux articles in the Toronto Star... and I happened to check out the Business section in today's Globe and Mail. Not a single Linux article, however there was an ad for IBM computers (different desktops, laptops, etc.) ALL with windows xp, with NO mention of Linux as an operating system. I just thought this was a littlte disturbing considering IBM's so-called support of Linux... -Steve. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 16:33:13 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:33:13 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650@pop1.sympatico.ca> At 10:17 AM 4/13/04, you wrote: >On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:08:45 -0400 >Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > I've resisted this until now but since the distro questions have come up > > elsewhere in the thread what the heck ... > > > > I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using > Fedora ever > > tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora > route? I am > > genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any > reasons > > to choose Fedora personally. Fedora installed easily on my Acer laptop; I may have failed with Mandrake before that - can't remember. Actually the guy who got me interested in Fedora is the night man at the garage where I used to drive taxi; I believe he had it on a Dell laptop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www3.sympatico.ca/echapin http://www.monkeys.com/spammers-are-leeches -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 16:37:10 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:37:10 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404131138.29812.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040413144405.GA4358@node1.opengeometry.net> <200404131138.29812.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404131237.10598.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> So did I. Interesting too that this smart ass has driven away a user in an unsuccessful effort to demonstrate his own sophistication. Too bad we can't be rid of that sort of ignorance. Charly Baker On Tuesday 13 April 2004 11:38 am, gabriel wrote: > On April 13, 2004 10:44 am, William Park wrote: > > Go away, you troll. You would get "out of space" error message. > > that wasn't very nice. no need to be rude. i thought his observations > were interesting. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 17:18:31 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:18:31 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040413131831.3c3e5afd.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:33:13 -0400 Elliott Chapin wrote: > At 10:17 AM 4/13/04, you wrote: > >On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:08:45 -0400 > >Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > > > > I've resisted this until now but since the distro questions have come up > > > elsewhere in the thread what the heck ... > > > > > > I am curious to find out why people use Fedora. Have those using > > Fedora ever > > > tried Debian, what was the deciding factor in going the Fedora > > route? I am > > > genuinely curious about this issue, since I cannot come up with any > > reasons > > > to choose Fedora personally. Not to sound like a Heartless Opportunist(tm), but the reason I use Redhat/Fedora now is because, at least in North America, it has, IMHO, the highest level of name recognition in potential clients. The reason I started using it originally was simply that it was easier to install than Slackware. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 17:29:43 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:29:43 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404130711.50236.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > The storage of files on floppies in Linux is different than in the "other" OS. > Say, you have 20 files in a directory, where each file is 400kb long. Now you > copy the directory to a floppy by " cp * /mnt/floppy" . Then you umount the > floppy and subsequently mount it again. Next check what you have on the Depending on what you do to umount (do you issue a umount command ?) the file system should write out the cache. You wait until the drive light goes off and then you remove the floppy. Works here. But if you want to be sure, issue the command sync before umount. As in: sync; umount /mnt/floppy You have to wait until the floppy light goes off. You can trash floppy data on that other OS too, if you pop the floppy before the light goes off. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 17:37:54 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:37:54 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404130806.00792.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040413142852.GA54141@idiom.novusordo.net> <200404130806.00792.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > What I said applies to a Mandrake 9.1 system. The Floppy is an external > USB Floppy. I only posted this as a curiousity item with the thought in > mind that it might interest someone. One respondent found it necessary Ah, the external USB floppy explains it. Maybe it's a bug. Anyway the 'enhanced' umount command I posted just before will fix it. You can rename or alias umount for shell work so: alias umount='sync; umount' this can have strange effects however, consider it an example of how such problems can be solved (as a stopgap measure). It is documented in the bash manual page under aliases (and the documentation is confusing). In a GUI, you can use the refresh command while in the floppy directory. This is usually F5. The refresh should cause a flush. Again wait for the drive light to go off before removing the media. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 17:51:24 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <20040413142852.GA54141@idiom.novusordo.net> <200404130806.00792.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Ah, the external USB floppy explains it. Maybe it's a bug. Anyway the Sounds like a bug to me (probably USB related as you note). I'd really want to see this reproduced to be sure though. > 'enhanced' umount command I posted just before will fix it. You can rename > or alias umount for shell work so: > > alias umount='sync; umount' Remembering that sync does not guaranteee a disk write right away but tags the data to be written back to disk. Sans bugs the umount should be doing a sync itself, and then waiting until the data _is_ back before unmounting the filesystem. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway at uqconnect.net Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 18:29:25 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:29:25 -0400 Subject: Problem upgrading Linux 7.2 to 9 In-Reply-To: <407ACCFB.7010502-vS8X3Ji+8Wg6e3DpGhMbh2oLBQzVVOGK@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407ACCFB.7010502@totaltravelmarketing.com> Message-ID: <7DF43F5C-8D78-11D8-B52C-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 12-Apr-04, at 13:08, Jose wrote: > Ps the file I copy was libdb.so.2 > > Hi Gentlemen and Ladies. > > I am trying to upgrade from Linux 7.2 to 9.0, but when it comes to the > part of reading/finding packages to upgrade it gets stuck and freezes > the process What distribution? Fairly unanimously we will recommend backup , then new install , particularly when skipping intermediate releases. > I've been trying to configure Openldap 2.1 and it won't work as well, > it > just won't take not even the sample database, it always gives me error > messages that it does not recognize the database. I do not know anything about OpenLDAP , but one subject per email ;-) and I imagine you will want to provide more details. Cheers, Lloyd PS. Please try not to reply to unrelated threads , as "smart" mail clients will thread it with the other discussion. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 18:47:27 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:27 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <407B677F.9030200-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> <407B677F.9030200@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404131447.27038.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 13, 2004 12:07 am, Anton Markov wrote: > You could try to execute "init 0" as root. What exactly happens when you > type "shutdown -h now"? Do you get some kind of error message? poweroff command doing the same stuff. =) > > Moniz Family wrote: > > I may have removed too much because the pc won't power off in linux, but > > it does in windows. Does anyone know which package or service does the > > powering off at the end of shutdown? I have tried the commands 'halt', > > 'halt -p', 'shutdown -h now', so am thinking a package or service is > > missing. -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 18:49:42 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:49:42 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404131449.42477.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 13, 2004 12:09 pm, Russell Schick wrote: > Hi, > > I'm the head of webcast testing for the Open Source Conference, and I need > your help. This conference is going to be webcast using ePresence to a > large remote audience and I need to ensure that our webcasting > infrastructure can handle the load. We plan to verify the system with > three test sessions, listed below. > > As an incentive to you, if you participate in at least two of the three > test sessions, your name will be put into a draw to win one of five free > webcast registrations for the Open Source Conference. > Open Source for money equal to nonsense =) -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 18:56:28 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:56:28 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404130806.00792.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200404131456.28430.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 13, 2004 01:37 pm, Peter L. Peres wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, John Wildberger wrote: > > What I said applies to a Mandrake 9.1 system. The Floppy is an external > > USB Floppy. I only posted this as a curiousity item with the thought in > > mind that it might interest someone. One respondent found it necessary > > Ah, the external USB floppy explains it. Maybe it's a bug. Anyway the > 'enhanced' umount command I posted just before will fix it. You can rename > or alias umount for shell work so: > > alias umount='sync; umount' > mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/flash works for me. In this case you don't need to sync data, it always will be synced. I have a perl script, who works as hotplug usb script for my digital camera, and usb key. If someone interested, I can post it here. -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:06:38 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:06:38 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <200404131449.42477.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404131449.42477.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <407C484E.5070500@sympatico.ca> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > Open Source for money equal to nonsense =) > > I disagree, Serguy, free is good, but there are times when it makes sense to shell out dough for binaries, customizations and/ or service. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:16:19 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:16:19 -0400 Subject: debian renovation Message-ID: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> I have a somewhat munged debian install (born of Knoppix 3.2 HD install) and want to make thing right. I plan to use the latest Bonzai, and then bump that install up to "unstable". Any hints, warnings or favorite how-tos ? And before I do it I want to clear some space. What are the prime candidates for file slaughter ? locales ? logs ? /var/cache/archives ? thanks ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 19:22:47 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:22:47 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <407C484E.5070500-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404131449.42477.skuznets@blueprint.org> <407C484E.5070500@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040413192247.GA19498@butters.southtrak> Remember, it is free as in speech, not as in beer. I think it is good for opensource to be profitable - the keyy is finding business models which reinforce the community and further the technology. On 16:06 Tue 13 Apr , David J Patrick wrote: > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > Open Source for money equal to nonsense =) > > > > > I disagree, Serguy, free is good, but there are times when it makes > sense to shell out dough for binaries, customizations and/ or service. > djp > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 19:31:38 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:31:38 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040413131831.3c3e5afd.rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20040413131831.3c3e5afd.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <200404131531.38320.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 13:18, Rob Sutherland wrote: > Not to sound like a Heartless Opportunist(tm), but the reason I use > Redhat/Fedora now is because, at least in North America, it has, IMHO, the > highest level of name recognition in potential clients. I can understand that but in my experience it's not that important, also I'm surprised that your clients would know what Fedora is. We have a lot of older Redhat machines "out there" and the need for them to be upgraded is crystal clear. When we broach the Debian switch subject with clients it's usually a short conversation and they have no qualms it. We have one client that did stay on the Redhat path but even they are starting to add Debian to the mix here and there. I expected more resistance but people really don't seem to care. Once you explain the differences (little/none from user perspective) and the advantages that Debian offers (not everyone might agree) the conversation concludes in favour of Debian. > The reason I started using it originally was simply that it was easier to > install than Slackware. Funny, the reason I started using Debian was that it was easier to upgrade than Slackware ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:35:35 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:35:35 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <40799457.5010607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407C4F17.8020701@sympatico.ca> and now I've got a jammed up apt-get ! I've been here before, and been forced to re-install the works There must be a better way ! root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. and so it stops ! apt-get -f install does not work for me ! sigh.. clues ? thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 19:40:22 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:40:22 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <20040413192247.GA19498-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <407C484E.5070500@sympatico.ca> <20040413192247.GA19498@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <200404131540.22049.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 13, 2004 03:22 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: Calm down guys and gals. I was joking. There was a smile. I totally agree, what opensource must have some kind of profitability, otherwise it will gone. And I think what consulting shell around opensource is viable. > Remember, it is free as in speech, not as in beer. I think it is good > for opensource to be profitable - the keyy is finding business models > which reinforce the community and further the technology. > > On 16:06 Tue 13 Apr , David J Patrick wrote: > > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > Open Source for money equal to nonsense =) > > > > I disagree, Serguy, free is good, but there are times when it makes > > sense to shell out dough for binaries, customizations and/ or service. > > djp > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 19:42:44 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <200404131449.42477.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404131449.42477.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > Open Source for money equal to nonsense =) Even the more fanatical FSFers concede that it is legitimate to charge for services related to software. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:02:54 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:02:54 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404131531.38320.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20040413131831.3c3e5afd.rob@cheapersafer.com> <200404131531.38320.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040413160254.05b9ff5b.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:31:38 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 13:18, Rob Sutherland wrote: > > > Not to sound like a Heartless Opportunist(tm), but the reason I use > > Redhat/Fedora now is because, at least in North America, it has, IMHO, the > > highest level of name recognition in potential clients. > > I can understand that but in my experience it's not that important, also I'm > surprised that your clients would know what Fedora is. I'd be surpised if they did as well...I'm actually thinking not so much of my current clients, who are mainly SME's, and are, as you say, completely uninterested but of the (hopefully) emerging market for larger corporate and government datacenter implementations/conversions. Those are people who do select on buzzwords, at least until you get through the HR people and the PHB types and into the techies :-) > > > The reason I started using it originally was simply that it was easier to > > install than Slackware. > > Funny, the reason I started using Debian was that it was easier to upgrade > than Slackware ;-) As I think back, I think that a post recommending Redhat was the first up when I searched on 'Slackware installation problem' :-) The link not taken...:-) Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:00:48 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:00:48 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <407C4F17.8020701-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407C4F17.8020701@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 16:35, David J Patrick wrote: > and now I've got a jammed up apt-get ! > I've been here before, and been forced to re-install the works > There must be a better way ! > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > > and so it stops ! apt-get -f install does not work for me ! sigh.. > clues ? thanks, What does apt-get -f install say? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:16:35 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:16:35 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040413160254.05b9ff5b.rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404131531.38320.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413160254.05b9ff5b.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <200404131616.35729.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 16:02, Rob Sutherland wrote: > > I can understand that but in my experience it's not that important, also > > I'm surprised that your clients would know what Fedora is. > > I'd be surpised if they did as well...I'm actually thinking not so much of > my current clients, who are mainly SME's, and are, as you say, completely > uninterested but of the (hopefully) emerging market for larger corporate > and government datacenter implementations/conversions. Those are people who > do select on buzzwords, at least until you get through the HR people and > the PHB types and into the techies :-) 2 out of the last 3 or 4 Debian conversions were companies with 200-300 employees. Perhaps not considered "enterprise" but large companies in my mind. You're right though, the larger the company the more likely they'll want buzzwords (.NET, Java, whatever), I'm lucky in that I deal almost entirely with people who have reasonable technical knowledge :-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:21:45 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:45 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <200404131621.45215.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 10:17, Howard Gibson wrote: > I have just left my Red Hat 8 laptop over at my mother's place. > Hopefully, she will like it better than the various Windows 95/98 machines > she has had access to (i.e. hopefully it will work :) It should work out fine ... my mother's been running Linux for about 18 months, I told her that if she wanted to continue receiving my help then she had to run Linux. It might have been blackmail but she hasn't looked back. It takes me 2.5 hours to drive to her place but I have never had to do so on account of the computer (luckily the one drive failure was not the boot drive). > If everything works out, I will be looking for a way to build a user > friendly linux desktop. I figure that my primary requirement is for a good ? You mean "apt-get install kde" or "apt-get install gnome" ;-) > I have spent around eight years running Linux. Can anyone suggest good > beginner's literature? What is it that you want documented? "Linux" is a huge topic once you get beyond the kernel: - filesystems, daemons, networking - X, KDE, GNOME, ??? - Openoffice - programming/development - all of the above There are books that "cover" a lot of topics skin deep, they weigh enough to kill a gorilla, personally I don't find them useful. I'm not saying documentation isn't needed, I'm just wondering what you need. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 20:24:14 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tonight's meeting Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Drew Sulivan wrote: > *Date:* April 13, 2004 > *Time:* 7:30pm > *Location:* Galbraith Building, U of T > > For directions, see http://oracle.osm.utoronto.ca/map/ > > *Room:* GB244 > *Speaker:* Chris F.A. Johnson As there may not be a projector available for tonight's presentation, I have put most of the material I will be covering on my web site in text, PostScript and PDF formats. If you are going to attend, you may find it helpful to print out some of these files, particularly pop[1-5], and have them for reference at the meeting. I may be adding a few more files before I leave the house. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:04:03 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:04:03 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <407C4A93.3050204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040413210403.GE9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:16:19PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > I have a somewhat munged debian install (born of Knoppix 3.2 HD install) > and want to make thing right. > I plan to use the latest Bonzai, and then bump that install up to > "unstable". > Any hints, warnings or favorite how-tos ? > And before I do it I want to clear some space. What are the prime > candidates for file slaughter ? > locales ? logs ? > /var/cache/archives ? If you want Debian there is always the lovely option of installing debian properly using the debian installer which was designed with that job in mind. It may not look as pretty, or detect quite as much hardware, but what you end up with is truly a debian system. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:09:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 -0400 Subject: kdm & gdm problems (sad story gets longer) In-Reply-To: <407A1D6B.1090505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407A1D6B.1090505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040413210947.GF9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:39:07AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > So, I says to myself, surely this is an older bent version of kdm. > apt-get to the rescue, right ? > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get install kdm > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed > libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed > mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or speci > olution). > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get -f install > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Correcting dependencies... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > libxv1 > The following NEW packages will be installed: > libxv1 > 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 837 not upgraded. > 237 not fully installed or removed. > Need to get 0B/131kB of archives. > After unpacking 295kB of additional disk space will be used. > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y > (Reading database ... 172449 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb (-- > ): > trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in packa > bs Whatever package was actually listed in the 'is also in package ...' you need to temporarily remove while upgrading to xf86 4.3. That is one of the hazards of debian unstable. try this: dpkg --force-depends -r packagename where packagename is the package that conflicted with libxv. then try apt-get -f install again to reinstall the missing pieces, and then reinstall the package you just removed if apt-get -f install didn't automatically grab it again in the new xf 4.3 version. This stuff happens sometimes when a file moves from one package to another, in which case the order of unpacking matters, which they later fix (usually) before the release makes it into the next stable release. > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > should I dive in and move/delete/rename /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0 ? > should I apt-get upgrade ? (had screwd up eveything, in the past) > reinstall ? > start looking for that ol' Win98SE disk ? (kidding) Don't go messing manually in the file system, it won't help at all. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:18:54 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:18:54 -0400 Subject: a simple networking problem Message-ID: <20040413211447.BFDED17C4DD@smtp.istop.com> Please forgive my ignorance in this subject and alziness to solve the problem myself. I would prefer rather to go ahead with my urgent project than to spend hours to find the solution myself. There are 3 computers in this place. (1). A connected to the internet openBSD working as a gateway. Its local IP address is 10.1.1.1 (2). A linux (RH 7.2) working as a workstation used by me in everyday life for work and fun. Its local IP is 10.1.1.11 (3). A new box with Windows 2000 Pro (sorry, had no choice but to use it for my temporary work). I have problem to connect this one. Computer (1) has a place for one ethernet card only. Computer (2) has already two ethernet cards inside. Hence, I want to put traffic between (3) and (1) through (2). At this moment, /sbin/route on computer (2) shows this: 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default gate 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 I know that ethernet cards work properly on all computers and configuring (3) to that extend I need is not a problem either. The question is: How to manipulate by /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route, etc, on computer (2) in order to be able, at least, to have a working connection between (2) and (3) ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:19:47 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:19:47 -0400 Subject: a simple networking problem In-Reply-To: <20040413211447.BFDED17C4DD-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413211447.BFDED17C4DD@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <20040413211947.GG9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:18:54PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Please forgive my ignorance in this subject and alziness to solve the problem > myself. I would prefer rather to go ahead with my urgent project than to > spend hours to find the solution myself. > > There are 3 computers in this place. > > (1). A connected to the internet openBSD working as a gateway. Its local IP > address is 10.1.1.1 > > (2). A linux (RH 7.2) working as a workstation used by me in everyday life > for work and fun. Its local IP is 10.1.1.11 > > (3). A new box with Windows 2000 Pro (sorry, had no choice but to use it for > my temporary work). I have problem to connect this one. > > Computer (1) has a place for one ethernet card only. > Computer (2) has already two ethernet cards inside. > > Hence, I want to put traffic between (3) and (1) through (2). > > At this moment, /sbin/route on computer (2) shows this: > > 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 > 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo > default gate 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 > > I know that ethernet cards work properly on all computers and configuring (3) > to that extend I need is not a problem either. > > The question is: > > How to manipulate by /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route, etc, on computer (2) in > order to be able, at least, to have a working connection between (2) and (3) ? Well you could make computer 2 the gateway for 3 and then setup a seperate domain for the network that 2 and 3 share and setup ip masquarading on 2. or you can use proxy arp on 2 to make it appear as 1 to 3 and as 3 to 1 and let it forward packets between the two network cards as needed (essentially bridging). The simple solution is to get a hub or switch that you can connect all the computers to, which is not expensive, and the right way to do it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:25:24 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:25:24 -0400 Subject: a simple networking problem In-Reply-To: <20040413211447.BFDED17C4DD-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413211447.BFDED17C4DD@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <200404131725.24613.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 13, 2004 05:18 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: I think if you will assign address 10.1.1.254 with netmask 255.255.255.128 to eth1 on computer 2, and IP from range 10.1.1.129 - 10.1.1.253 with netmask 255.255.255.128 on Win2K it will solve your problem. But I prefer second variant: Computer2's eth0 belongs to 10.1.1.0/24 network Computer2's eth1 belongs to 10.1.2.0/24 network Computer3's eth0 belongs to 10.1.2.0/24 network > (1). A connected to the internet openBSD working as a gateway. Its local IP > address is 10.1.1.1 > > (2). A linux (RH 7.2) working as a workstation used by me in everyday life > for work and fun. Its local IP is 10.1.1.11 > > (3). A new box with Windows 2000 Pro (sorry, had no choice but to use it > for my temporary work). I have problem to connect this one. > > Computer (1) has a place for one ethernet card only. > Computer (2) has already two ethernet cards inside. > > Hence, I want to put traffic between (3) and (1) through (2). > > At this moment, /sbin/route on computer (2) shows this: > > 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 > eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 > 0 lo default gate 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 > 0 eth0 > > I know that ethernet cards work properly on all computers and configuring > (3) to that extend I need is not a problem either. > > The question is: > > How to manipulate by /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route, etc, on computer (2) > in order to be able, at least, to have a working connection between (2) and > (3) ? > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:34:21 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:34:21 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <407C4A93.3050204-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:16:19PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > I have a somewhat munged debian install (born of Knoppix 3.2 HD install) > and want to make thing right. > I plan to use the latest Bonzai, and then bump that install up to > "unstable". If Bonzai is a pure Debian system then that's probably reasonable, otherwise I'd just use Debian's installer, it isn't pretty but it's reasonably straightforward for i386. Even if you go with unstable for the install I would "dumb" it down to at least testing after that ... and then to stable once the new Debian release is out (RSN ;-). If you constantly track unstable (and even testing sometimes) you'll find yourself in pickles like you're in now ... rarely fatal but you need a good understanding of the package manager to resolve them. The new Debian installer (still being developed) does a pretty good job of hardware detection, you just need to download two floppies, everything else is downloaded from the Internet (including most of the installer itself). Particularly if you have a spare machine you might want to try this to see if it is good enough. Just grab boot and root floppies for the installer from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ If CD is preferred, daily built minimal isos (25MB) are downloadable from http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/daily/ ... the installer is still in development so there's a small chance that the image you grab might be broken > Any hints, warnings or favorite how-tos ? Here's how I always do it ... Install bare minimum. You'll have a system that boots and takes 100-200 MB of diskspace (assuming testing/unstable). After installation is "complete" then you can begin the customisation process: - run tasksel for easy installation of large group of packages (i.e. X core) - selectively run apt-get install ... If you're a kde fan then I'd look for kde packages like this: apt-cache search kde | grep ^kde "apt-get install kde" might do it all but if you're using unstable you can never trust that there are no conflicts. > And before I do it I want to clear some space. What are the prime > candidates for file slaughter ? > locales ? logs ? > /var/cache/archives ? How do you plan to do the new install? Is your disk partitioned (i.e. is /home, /var, etc separate from /)? Is there data on your machine that you care about, how have you backed it up? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 21:33:46 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:33:46 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040413213346.GH9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:36:32PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > I just had to plunk in a new MoBo (P6VEM), and I ain't getting any sound from > the onboard AC97, using either the ALSA or OSS driver. I've upgraded to the > latest kernel available, 2.4.22-28mdk, just to be sure. Of course, I've made > sure that sound is not muted with aumix. I have tried with artsd running, and > not. I tried google.com/linux, but posts on this subject are either old, not > appropos, or in German. > > The board is a VIA Apollo chipset, with onboard VT82C686 [Apollo Super > AC97/Audio] sound. > > I get [OK]'s for everything at startup, ALSA loads ok, everything looks good to > go. No apps complain about not finding a sound device, AFAICT, but nothing from > Beep, MPlayer, ROX MusicBox, GnomeCD, etc. > > How to further troubleshoot this? Try using the line in or head phone or mic jack for the speakers. If that fixes it, you ahve a 'quirky' ac97 chipset, which alsa at least has a parameter that is supposed to fix. Blame intel for redefining ac97 too many times. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 22:07:44 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:07:44 -0400 Subject: Happy Easter and Jethro Tull In-Reply-To: <20040413213346.GH9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040411123632.46f037c8.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040413213346.GH9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040413180744.7eefc8ac.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:33:46 -0400 Lennart Sorensen disseminated the following: > > I get [OK]'s for everything at startup, ALSA loads ok, everything looks good > > to > > go. No apps complain about not finding a sound device, AFAICT, but nothing > > from > > Beep, MPlayer, ROX MusicBox, GnomeCD, etc. > > > > How to further troubleshoot this? > > Try using the line in or head phone or mic jack for the speakers. If > that fixes it, you ahve a 'quirky' ac97 chipset, which alsa at least has > a parameter that is supposed to fix. Blame intel for redefining ac97 > too many times. WOOOT! Thanks Lennart! You know, it's funny, I had tried all of the jacks previously, but in the meantime I had also run 'alsaconf', so decided to try your suggestion, and BINGO! ...now Leonard Cohen's croaking monotone is coming out beautifully: "Everybody knows the dice are loaded, Everybody knows the good guys lost..." Thanks again. I owe you a beer. :-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -- John Maynard Keynes -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 22:14:49 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:14:49 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms Message-ID: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> I recently installed X.org. I noticed strange behaviour with the x-terms. I am using pekwm. In a given desktop When I open more than one xterm (or aterm) the new terms appear as 'tabs' of the first xterm. I do not know how to control this behaviour and I do not know how to navigate the 'tabs'. Any ideas? -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 13 22:27:04 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:27:04 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404131456.28430.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404131456.28430.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <200404131827.04819.wildberger@cogeco.ca> On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02:56 pm, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/flash > > works for me. In this case you don't need to sync data, it always will be > synced. Reading the man mount page tells me that sync only works for ext2,ext3 and ufs. If I mount my floppy, as suggest above, with "mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/floppy" then copying long files will spin my floppy forever. The only way to stop it is by taking the floppy disk out of the drive. Inserting it again and using a filemanager I can see that only the first two files were recorded. The second one only partially. When I mount the floppy with "mount /dev/sda /mnt/floppy" the recording is more normal. After the fourth file I get error message "No space left on the device" This message is repeated for all the files left to copy. (6 files). Checking again with a file manager I see the first three files are being recorded with its full content. The forth file is only partially recorded. (73kb out of 460kb). All 10 files show their full filename in the filemanager, with the last 6 files showing 0 content. The recorded floppy I can take out of the drive and insert it into another computer and see that the directory shows all 10 files with their full filename, but only the first four files have any content. Now those of you who call me a troll again for pointing this out should go ahead and have fun. John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 03:08:06 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:08:06 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <200404131540.22049.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <407C484E.5070500@sympatico.ca> <20040413192247.GA19498@butters.southtrak> <200404131540.22049.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <407CAB16.5090601@sympatico.ca> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: >On April 13, 2004 03:22 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > >Calm down guys and gals. >I was joking. >There was a smile. > umm , why yes there was .. how silly of me not to recognize it ! I thought that was a bit out of character.. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 02:13:28 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:13:28 -0400 Subject: Open Source Conference - last chance to win a free webcast registration In-Reply-To: <407CAB16.5090601-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C484E.5070500@sympatico.ca> <20040413192247.GA19498@butters.southtrak> <200404131540.22049.skuznets@blueprint.org> <407CAB16.5090601@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040414021328.GA13189@butters.southtrak> To reduce overhead I disable all my humour daemons. On 23:08 Tue 13 Apr , David J Patrick wrote: > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > >On April 13, 2004 03:22 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > > >Calm down guys and gals. > >I was joking. > >There was a smile. > > > umm , why yes there was .. how silly of me not to recognize it ! > I thought that was a bit out of character.. > djp > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 02:50:27 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 13 Apr 2004 22:50:27 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404131600.48020.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407C4F17.8020701@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 16:35, David J Patrick wrote: > > > and now I've got a jammed up apt-get ! > > I've been here before, and been forced to re-install the works > > There must be a better way ! > > > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get upgrade > > Reading Package Lists... Done > > Building Dependency Tree... Done > > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > libarts1-mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > > libarts1-xine: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > > mpeglib: Depends: libxv1 but it is not installed > > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > > > > and so it stops ! apt-get -f install does not work for me ! sigh.. > > clues ? thanks, > > What does apt-get -f install say? Yep, that would be helpful to know. I'm guessing that it wants to remove a ton of stuff. You can try fixing the dependency on libxv1 by installing it. Just grab (using a browser, wget, etc.) the libxv1 deb and install it with dpkg. You can use: apt-cache show libxv1 to find a URL (relative to the top of the Debian repository) for libxv1. Try to grab a version of libxv1 that's closest to the version libarts1-mpeglib, libarts1-xine, and mpeglib need. Use: dpkg -s libarts1-mpeglib dpkg -s libarts1-xine dpkg -s mpeglib to show the dependencies for each of these packages. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:31:38 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:31:38 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <200404131734.21272.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:16:19PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > > >>I plan to use the latest Bonzai, and then bump that install up to >>"unstable". >> >> > >If Bonzai is a pure Debian system then that's probably reasonable, otherwise >I'd just use Debian's installer, it isn't pretty but it's reasonably >straightforward for i386. > > I believe it is all debian >Even if you go with unstable for the install I would "dumb" it down to at >least testing after that ... and then to stable once the new Debian release >is out (RSN ;-). > Start with unstable and work backwards ? all the way to stable ? Woody ?? sheesh, I'll be movin' rocks around the screen ;-) > If you constantly track unstable (and even testing sometimes) you'll find yourself in pickles like you're in now ... rarely fatal but you need a good understanding of the package manager to resolve >them. > > I have much to learn about the packager; are you referring to dpkg or apt-get or both ? Should I climb the "aptitude" learning curve, or what ? >Here's how I always do it ... > >Install bare minimum. You'll have a system that boots and takes 100-200 MB of >diskspace (assuming testing/unstable). After installation is "complete" then >you can begin the customisation process: > >- run tasksel for easy installation of large group of packages (i.e. X core) >- selectively run apt-get install ... > >If you're a kde fan then I'd look for kde packages like this: > > apt-cache search kde | grep ^kde > > Honestly, I've been eager (but unable) to play in gnome2.6-land for some time. Also, I'm itchin' to run kernel_2.6.x >"apt-get install kde" might do it all but if you're using unstable you can >never trust that there are no conflicts. > > Damn ! I can't have my cake and eat it too ? I gotta learn MORE ? whew ! >How do you plan to do the new install? Is your disk partitioned (i.e. >is /home, /var, etc separate from /)? Is there data on your machine that you >care about, how have you backed it up? > > I have /home on a separate partition and have a partition I was goung to use for /usr, I could also separate /var and /etc, would you reccomend this ? What files system(s) would you reccomend ? ext3 ? xfs ? reiser3 ? and I'm 90% backed up .. (he slinks off and fires up k3b) .. thanks, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 03:54:50 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:54:50 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404131531.38320.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <6.0.3.0.2.20040413122930.02d36650@pop1.sympatico.ca> <20040413131831.3c3e5afd.rob@cheapersafer.com> <200404131531.38320.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040413235450.7829e22f.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:31:38 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > Funny, the reason I started using Debian was that it was easier to upgrade > than Slackware ;-) Fraser, I still upgrade by doing a new install. All my files that are not to be re-written are located on partitions separate from the root and usr. I take notes as I do the re-install. I am confident that I can do a complete re-install quickly if something bad happens. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 03:59:31 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:59:31 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404131621.45215.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> <200404131621.45215.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040413235931.7efc4112.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:45 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 10:17, Howard Gibson wrote: > > > I have just left my Red Hat 8 laptop over at my mother's place. > > Hopefully, she will like it better than the various Windows 95/98 machines > > she has had access to (i.e. hopefully it will work :) > > It should work out fine ... my mother's been running Linux for about 18 > months, I told her that if she wanted to continue receiving my help then she > had to run Linux. It might have been blackmail but she hasn't looked back. > It takes me 2.5 hours to drive to her place but I have never had to do so on > account of the computer (luckily the one drive failure was not the boot > drive). > > > If everything works out, I will be looking for a way to build a user > > friendly linux desktop. I figure that my primary requirement is for a good > > ? You mean "apt-get install kde" or "apt-get install gnome" ;-) > > > I have spent around eight years running Linux. Can anyone suggest good > > beginner's literature? > > What is it that you want documented? "Linux" is a huge topic once you get > beyond the kernel: > > - filesystems, daemons, networking > - X, KDE, GNOME, ??? > - Openoffice > - programming/development > - all of the above > > There are books that "cover" a lot of topics skin deep, they weigh enough to > kill a gorilla, personally I don't find them useful. I'm not saying > documentation isn't needed, I'm just wondering what you need. Fraser, This is a grandmother who wants to do email and some web surfing. I don't think programming is a big issue. The important thing is that the machine not reconfigure itself every week, with or without the help of grandchildren. :) A little online security doesn't hurt. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:08:55 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:08:55 -0400 Subject: the problem with Linux? In-Reply-To: <200404131621.45215.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <1081292972.8414.4.camel@chef> <200404071708.45734.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040413101731.1bdd2ab9.hgibson@eol.ca> <200404131621.45215.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040414000855.318fda0f.hgibson@eol.ca> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:45 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 10:17, Howard Gibson wrote: > > ? You mean "apt-get install kde" or "apt-get install gnome" ;-) Fraser, My laptop is a Pentium 233 with 64MB RAM. KDE is out of the question. Very likely, I will check and find out what programs my mother is running from Gnome, then I will add these to the FVWM2 menu and check her out on that. -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:03:32 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 14 Apr 2004 04:03:32 -0000 Subject: the problem with Linux? Message-ID: <20040414040332.20643.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:04:26 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 14 Apr 2004 04:04:26 -0000 Subject: the problem with Linux? Message-ID: <20040414040426.20693.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:05:14 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org) Date: 14 Apr 2004 04:05:14 -0000 Subject: the problem with Linux? Message-ID: <20040414040514.20745.qmail@msnecab19.onlink.net> Thank you for writing We will be out of the office Monday April 12th to the evening of Tuesday April 13th (EST). We will be checking our email and get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 05:32:53 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:32:53 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404131600.48020.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407C4F17.8020701@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >What does apt-get -f install say? > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-get -f install Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: libxv1 The following NEW packages will be installed: libxv1 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 861 not upgraded. 237 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/131kB of archives. After unpacking 295kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y (Reading database ... 172449 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in package xlibs dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I'm tellin' you, izza gonna maka me crazy ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:33:38 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:33:38 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404131456.28430.skuznets@blueprint.org> <200404131827.04819.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <007901c421d9$a8df68d0$0300000a@nata> Hi John, > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02:56 pm, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/flash > > > > works for me. In this case you don't need to sync data, it always will be > > synced. > Reading the man mount page tells me that sync only works for ext2,ext3 and > ufs. > If I mount my floppy, as suggest above, with > "mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/floppy" > then copying long files will spin my floppy forever. The only way to stop it > is by taking the floppy disk out of the drive. Inserting it again and using a > filemanager I can see that only the first two files were recorded. The second > one only partially. I tested it with my USB key. It have a LED, who blinks when write operation performs. I saw how it works, with -o sync, dirsync and without it. And I tested it with small file. The test was: I made hotplug USB mount/unmount script without -o sync,dirsync, and when I inserted key into slot, right after mount I copied small file to that USB key (LED didn't flash), and right after that I plugged out my USB key. When I plugged in the key, and mounted it, I found that file has disapperared. Then I modified my script to have -o sync,dirsync for mount, and repeated the experiment. I started copy proccess the LED started to blink, when it finished to blink, I plugged out the key again, and plugged in + mount, the file was there. It means what "-o sync,dirsync" flags works. PS: If someone needs that USB hotplug script - just let me know. All the Best! Serge. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 05:50:34 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:50:34 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <407C4F17.8020701@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <407CD12A.9060000@sympatico.ca> Tim Writer wrote: >I'm guessing that it wants to remove a ton of stuff. You can try fixing the >dependency on libxv1 by installing it. > Well Tim, I'm starting to feel a bit thick, I'm not entirely sure what your telling me to do, but I'll post the output, as it will probably make more sense to you than me. > Just grab (using a browser, wget, >etc.) the libxv1 deb and install it with dpkg. You can use: > > apt-cache show libxv1 > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# apt-cache show libxv1 Package: libxv1 Priority: optional Section: libs Installed-Size: 288 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force Architecture: i386 Source: xfree86 Version: 4.3.0-7 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) Filename: pool/main/x/xfree86/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb Size: 131366 MD5sum: 352f8b5e702e0dfd73db5cf95d2b5191 Description: ---===snip===--- Package: libxv1 Status: install ok not-installed <----------- what the .. ?? status = crazy, no ? Priority: optional Section: libs Version: 4.3.0-7 >to find a URL (relative to the top of the Debian repository) for libxv1. Try >to grab a version of libxv1 that's closest to the version libarts1-mpeglib, >libarts1-xine, and mpeglib need. Use: > > dpkg -s libarts1-mpeglib > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# dpkg -s libarts1-mpeglib Package: libarts1-mpeglib Status: install ok unpacked Priority: optional Section: libs Installed-Size: 1040 Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers Source: kdemultimedia Version: 4:3.2.1-1 Replaces: libarts-mpeglib (<< 4:3.0.0) Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.2.1), libartsc0 (>= 1.2.1), libasound2 (>> 1.0.2), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcdparanoia0 (>= 3a9.8-11), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.2.3), libmad0 (>= 0.15.0b), libogg0 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, mpeglib (>= 4:3.2.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Conflicts: libarts-mpeglib (<< 4:3.0.0) Description: ---===snip===--- > dpkg -s libarts1-xine > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# dpkg -s libarts1-xine Package: libarts1-xine Status: install ok unpacked Priority: optional Section: libs Installed-Size: 192 Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers Source: kdemultimedia Version: 4:3.2.1-1 Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.8), libarts1 (>= 1.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a), libxrender1, libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Description: ---===snip===--- > dpkg -s mpeglib > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# dpkg -s mpeglib Package: mpeglib Status: install ok unpacked Priority: optional Section: libs Installed-Size: 724 Maintainer: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers Source: kdemultimedia Version: 4:3.2.1-1 Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcdparanoia0 (>= 3a9.8-11), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libogg0 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a), libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: libarts1-mpeglib Description: ---===snip===--- >to show the dependencies for each of these packages. > > yeah, sure does.. aw man, my head's swimmin' thanks for looking at this mess. I'm sure it's some dumb thing.. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 04:50:15 2004 From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Allen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:50:15 -0400 Subject: autoresponder Message-ID: <20040414045014.GB5725@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> Could someone unsubscribe the bozo. -- S.Allen ------------------------------------------- barnyard Wednesday Apr 14 2004 12:45:02 AM EDT ------------------------------------------- Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proven innocent. - George Orwell -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 05:02:14 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:02:14 -0400 Subject: autoresponder In-Reply-To: <20040414045014.GB5725-o7t0nEE3I5OSx4Gc7p/2BTaUPDSXGbtvYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414045014.GB5725@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1081918934.407cc5d61f894@webmail.ksmultimedia.com> If this was directed at me, sorry, I turned it on for the wrong account. Ill be sure to be more careful the next time I go away Sid Quoting Stephen Allen : > Could someone unsubscribe the bozo. > > -- > S.Allen > ------------------------------------------- > barnyard Wednesday Apr 14 2004 12:45:02 AM EDT > ------------------------------------------- > Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proven innocent. > - George Orwell > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 05:26:03 2004 From: roulton623-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Stephen) Date: 14 Apr 2004 01:26:03 -0400 Subject: Hello there In-Reply-To: <20040411213425.GA13592-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <1081717988.2293.4.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040411213425.GA13592@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <1081920359.3690.5.camel@CPE0080c6f2a89b-CM00003940c461.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Thanks Noah It worked like a charm I am grateful Stephen On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 17:34, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I recently installed this plug-in for mozilla and I guess that the > procedure is similar. You are not clear whether you have the rpm or not > so I will only be able to point you in the direction of some > documentation. > > a *.bin file is a self extracting compressed file. Here is Sun's > documentation: > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/install-linux.html#self-extracting. > That link provides documentation for both versions of the file. > > To install the plugin itself have a look at: > http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html > > The Cliff notes version is to create a symbolic link to the libarary in > your plugins directory. > > While you are there, the plugin doc website has a lot of handy infor for > other plugins. > > Cheers, > Noah > > > On 17:13 Sun 11 Apr , Stephen wrote: > > I have downloaded a java plugin for netscape 6 for linux. I looked for > > installation instructions and couldn't find any. > > > > I was wondering if any of you would tell me how to install a *.bin > > plugin into my browser. > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 06:25:39 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:25:39 -0400 Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040414062539.GA1720@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:24:14PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > As there may not be a projector available for tonight's > presentation, I have put most of the material I will be covering > on my web site in text, > PostScript and PDF formats. > > If you are going to attend, you may find it helpful to print out > some of these files, particularly pop[1-5], and have them for > reference at the meeting. > > I may be adding a few more files before I leave the house. Good talk. I almost forgot about array[ ${#array[*]} ] But, how do you determine which email to delete? That is, what criteria do you try to match? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 12:22:34 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:22:34 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <407CCD05.4060007-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 01:32, David J Patrick wrote: > Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > (--unpack): > trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in > package xlibs > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > Errors were encountered while processing: > /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb From there you should be able to go back to using apt. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 14:38:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:38:11 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404140822.34155.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:22:34AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb NO!!! dpkg -r --force-depends xlibs apt-get -f install That way you aren't doing something bad, instead you just "temporarily" override a dependancy check to allow replacing a package, and then apt-get puts back the new version of both packages. force overwrite is almost always a very bad idea since then two packages own the same file and messy problems can occour. Forced dependancy overrides are simple for dpkg/apt to fix. Forced overwrites it has no clue about solving. > From there you should be able to go back to using apt. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 14:40:25 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:40:25 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <407CBEAA.7020505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040414144025.GJ9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:31:38AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > >"apt-get install kde" might do it all but if you're using unstable you can > >never trust that there are no conflicts. > > > Damn ! I can't have my cake and eat it too ? I gotta learn MORE ? whew ! You can, but don't expect it to always taste as good as you hoped, but most of the time it will. :) > I have /home on a separate partition and have a partition I was goung to > use for /usr, I could also separate /var and /etc, would you reccomend > this ? What files system(s) would you reccomend ? ext3 ? xfs ? reiser3 ? > and I'm 90% backed up .. (he slinks off and fires up k3b) .. thanks, Don't make /etc seperate. /etc/fstab is rather important for mounting anything other than / Besides given /etc should not contain anything but config files (no data, no binaries, etc), it should be very small. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 14:46:20 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Apr 2004 10:46:20 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: <200404131827.04819.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404131456.28430.skuznets@blueprint.org> <200404131827.04819.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: John Wildberger writes: > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 02:56 pm, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > > mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/flash > > > > works for me. In this case you don't need to sync data, it always will be > > synced. > Reading the man mount page tells me that sync only works for ext2,ext3 and > ufs. Time to clear this up. The options sync, dirsync, etc. shouldn't have any effect on this behaviour. Let me see if I can explain what's happening. I'm sure most users on this list are familiar with what happens when a filesystem runs out of inodes. While df (without options) reports space is available, any attempt to create a file fails with an error message indicating the file system is full. Using "df -i" tells you you're out of inodes, meaning there is space for the file data but no space for the directory entry or file name. This problem (the one that John is reporting) is the converse of the above problem. Copying "large" files to the floppy has exhausted the data space but there's still inode space so he can create empty files until he runs out of inodes. Not convinced? Try this test (as root). Note, you don't need a floppy (USB or otherwise). # Make a 1.44MB file dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/xxx bs=1024 count=1440 # Put a DOS file system on it mkdosfs /var/tmp/xxx # Mount it mount -t vfat -o loop /var/tmp/xxx /mnt # Fill with 200kB files for i in `seq 0 9` do dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/file$i bs=1024 count=200 done # Take a look at what's there ls -l /mnt df /mnt df -i /mnt # Show that we can still create an empty file touch /mnt/xxx This behaviour isn't specific to DOS file systems. Repeat the above with mke2fs and you'll get the same behaviour. Mounting with the sync and/or dirsync option makes no difference but note that dirsync is specific to msdos and vfat. For the nit pickers, the above discussion is somewhat simplified. In truth, if the disk is full but inodes are available, you still might not be able to create an empty file because you need data space to store the file name. Since most (all?) file systems store file names within the data space of directories and most (all?) file systems pre-allocate data space in blocks, you will be able to create empty files until you run out of inodes or until you exhaust the data space of the target directory. > If I mount my floppy, as suggest above, with > "mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/floppy" > then copying long files will spin my floppy forever. The only way to stop it > is by taking the floppy disk out of the drive. Inserting it again and using a > filemanager I can see that only the first two files were recorded. The second > one only partially. > When I mount the floppy with "mount /dev/sda /mnt/floppy" > the recording is more normal. After the fourth file I get error message > "No space left on the device" > This message is repeated for all the files left to copy. (6 files). > Checking again with a file manager I see the first three files are being > recorded with its full content. The forth file is only partially recorded. > (73kb out of 460kb). > All 10 files show their full filename in the filemanager, with the last 6 > files showing 0 content. > The recorded floppy I can take out of the drive and insert it into another > computer and see that the directory shows all 10 files with their full > filename, but only the first four files have any content. > > Now those of you who call me a troll again for pointing this out should go > ahead and have fun. I believe you but I'm having a harder time believing those who disagree with you. Perhaps they are using a file manager or utility that removes any partially copied files. I repeated the above tests using cp instead of dd in the for loop with the same result. Is this behaviour a bug? I'd rather call it a quirk of the implementation and its right for you to point it out as it could bite new users. It's reasonable for a good file manager to remove partially copied files but I wouldn't expect that from the command line utilities. As an aside, I generally discourage users from mounting floppies because, due to the lack of a software controllable lock (such as CDs have), it's too easy to cause data corruption or worse by ejecting a mounted floppy. I prefer mtools. Unfortunately, konqueror encourages users to mount floppies with its mountable icons and I suspect other file managers do the same. IMO, it would be better if file managers didn't mount removable media or only mounted it briefly, i.e. mount, retrieve a list of files, umount; mount, copy a file, umount; etc. While this would cause some loss of performance, it would protect users from data corruption or worse. And, at the risk of sounding condescending or elitist, those who make heavy use of file managers are more than likely the kind of users who need this type of protection. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 14:54:11 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Apr 2004 10:54:11 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <200404140822.34155.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > On Wednesday 14 April 2004 01:32, David J Patrick wrote: > > > Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb) ... > > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > > (--unpack): > > trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in > > package xlibs > > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) > > Errors were encountered while processing: > > /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) > > dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > > From there you should be able to go back to using apt. That should do the trick. It sounds to me like you had a backport of X 4.3 installed and then along came X 4.3 in unstable (or testing?) with very different package names. I had this same problem just recently when I decided to upgrade a couple of systems from KDE 3.1.2 to KDE 3.2. The approach I took was to remove (using dpkg) all of the X 4.3 backport and replace it with the new stuff. Needless to say, this was fairly painful but did work out in the end. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 15:08:47 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Apr 2004 11:08:47 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <20040414144025.GJ9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> <20040414144025.GJ9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:31:38AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > > >"apt-get install kde" might do it all but if you're using unstable you can > > >never trust that there are no conflicts. > > > > > Damn ! I can't have my cake and eat it too ? I gotta learn MORE ? whew ! > > You can, but don't expect it to always taste as good as you hoped, but > most of the time it will. :) > > > I have /home on a separate partition and have a partition I was goung to > > use for /usr, I could also separate /var and /etc, would you reccomend > > this ? What files system(s) would you reccomend ? ext3 ? xfs ? reiser3 ? > > and I'm 90% backed up .. (he slinks off and fires up k3b) .. thanks, > > Don't make /etc seperate. /etc/fstab is rather important for mounting > anything other than / And you won't get very far without /etc/inittab! -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 15:36:02 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:36:02 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. Message-ID: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> Hi all, I promised TLUGers to to send my hotplug USB storage script. Here we go. It works like charm for me for both digital camera and USB key. /etc//hotplug/usb.usermap: # usb module match_flags idVendor idProduct bcdDevice_lo bcdDevice_hibDeviceClass bDeviceSubClass bDeviceProtocol bInterfaceClass bInterfaceSubClass bInterfaceProtocol driver_info storage 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x06 0x00 0x00000000 /etc/hotplug/usb/storage: #!/usr/bin/perl BEGIN { $ENV{PATH} = "$ENV{PATH}:/opt/kde/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin"; $ENV{QTDIR} = "/usr/lib/qt"; $ENV{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} = "/usr/X11/lib:/usr/lib/qt:/opt/kde/lib"; } open LOG, ">>/tools/usbaction.log" or exit 0; print LOG "=============== " . scalar(localtime()) . " ===============\n"; foreach $key ( keys %ENV ) { print LOG "$key = $ENV{$key}\n"; } if ( $ENV{ACTION} eq "add" ) { open PROC, "/proc/partitions" and do { $lines = join "", ; print LOG $lines; close PROC; }; if ( $lines =~ /sda\n/sogi ) { print LOG "Found sda\n"; if ( $lines =~ /(sda\d+)\n/sogi ) { print LOG "Found $1. Mounting..\n"; system "mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/$1 /mnt/hd"; $path = "/mnt/hd"; print LOG "Path is $path\n"; } else { print LOG "Mounting /mnt/camera\n"; system "mount -t vfat -o sync,dirsync /dev/sda /mnt/camera"; $path = "/mnt/camera/dcim"; } system "xauth merge ~root/.Xauthority"; system "konqueror --display :0.0 $path 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null &"; system "mkdir -p /var/run/usb"; open OUT, ">$ENV{REMOVER}" or exit 0; print OUT "#!/usr/bin/bash\n\numount -f -l $path\n"; close OUT; system "chmod a+x $ENV{REMOVER}"; } } close LOG; exit 1; -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 16:03:44 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:03:44 -0400 Subject: apt problems (?) In-Reply-To: <20040414143810.GI9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404141203.44164.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 10:38, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:22:34AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb > > NO!!! > > dpkg -r --force-depends xlibs > apt-get -f install You're right, makes much more sense to do it your way. I know just enough dpkg to be dangerous I guess ;-) > That way you aren't doing something bad, instead you just "temporarily" > override a dependancy check to allow replacing a package, and then > apt-get puts back the new version of both packages. force overwrite is > almost always a very bad idea since then two packages own the same file > and messy problems can occour. I haven't run into the types of problems your suggesting, still your way is vastly better. Thanks for the tip, -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 17:05:55 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:05:55 -0400 Subject: apt problems In-Reply-To: <20040414143810.GI9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <407D6F73.9040301@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:22:34AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > >>dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb >> >> > >NO!!! > >dpkg -r --force-depends xlibs >apt-get -f install > Taking Lennarts' dire warning, and seemingly cautionary approach to heart, I have executed the dpkg -r and apt-get -f commands suggested. Unfortunately, 40+ packages complained of "Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed" and I find myself in the same place, with a few more things broken. Do you suppose this is what is meant by "unstable" ? And now to the tactic put forth by Fraser and Tim ? Even though Lennart warns of incurable apt-guk ? Hey, is this fixable ? Or is it time for a new distro ? Something debian-based ? Ark 1.0rc11 ? Or re-install with pure debian nothing-newer-than-testing, via Bonzai or the debian installer floppies. I just don't know anymore. If I can't mend this tattered web of dependancies I gotta do something ! "It just works" seems long ago and far away. (shuffles off, hands in pockets, leaving a cloud of dust ;-) djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 16:39:59 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:39:59 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms In-Reply-To: <20040413221449.GA12843-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <200404141239.59023.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On April 13, 2004 06:14 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I recently installed X.org. I noticed strange behaviour with the > x-terms. I am using pekwm. In a given desktop When I open more than one > xterm (or aterm) the new terms appear as 'tabs' of the first xterm. I do > not know how to control this behaviour and I do not know how to navigate > the 'tabs'. To navigate the tabs, try shift + left/right cursor key or alt + left/right cursor key -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 16:56:51 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:56:51 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms In-Reply-To: <200404141239.59023.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> <200404141239.59023.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20040414165651.GA8192@butters.southtrak> Unfortunately this doesn't seem to do it. Shift-[left/right] just sends 6C or 6D to the terminal. Alt-[left/right] moves through desktops - which is handy on its own! On 12:39 Wed 14 Apr , Fred Nastos wrote: > On April 13, 2004 06:14 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > I recently installed X.org. I noticed strange behaviour with the > > x-terms. I am using pekwm. In a given desktop When I open more than one > > xterm (or aterm) the new terms appear as 'tabs' of the first xterm. I do > > not know how to control this behaviour and I do not know how to navigate > > the 'tabs'. > > To navigate the tabs, try > shift + left/right cursor key > or > alt + left/right cursor key > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alek_u-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 18:06:36 2004 From: alek_u-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sasha Uritsky) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:36 -0500 Subject: zip dirve References: <406B5C20.9040208@onlink.net> <406C7DAB.6020608@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002c01c4224b$3a6c8aa0$0000fea9@torontohy5pk6c> Hi all, does anyone know a place in Toronto, where there is access both to the zip drive and CD writer? I need to copy files from the zip drive to CD. Alternatively, a place where I can buy a zip drive power supply (for iomega Zip 100 with parallel cable). thanx, sasha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 17:52:56 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:52:56 -0400 Subject: apt problems In-Reply-To: <407D6F73.9040301-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <407D6F73.9040301@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040414175253.GK9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:05:55PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >dpkg -r --force-depends xlibs > >apt-get -f install > > > Taking Lennarts' dire warning, and seemingly cautionary approach to > heart, I have executed the dpkg -r and apt-get -f commands suggested. > Unfortunately, 40+ packages complained of "Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but > it is not going to be installed" and I find myself in the same place, > with a few more things broken. Do you suppose this is what is meant by > "unstable" ? > And now to the tactic put forth by Fraser and Tim ? Even though Lennart > warns of incurable apt-guk ? > > Hey, is this fixable ? Or is it time for a new distro ? Something > debian-based ? Ark 1.0rc11 ? > Or re-install with pure debian nothing-newer-than-testing, via Bonzai or > the debian installer floppies. > I just don't know anymore. > If I can't mend this tattered web of dependancies I gotta do something ! > "It just works" seems long ago and far away. > (shuffles off, hands in pockets, leaving a cloud of dust ;-) Some files were moved a little while ago in the X packages, and it caused this problem. It's known (it's annoying), and it can be worked around, using the commands I listed above (although you may have to remove a couple of packages to get the install to go.) If you do: dpkg --force-depends -r xlibs Then apt-get -f install should complain about some things that depends on it. If it fails to run then something else is conflicting too, maybe xlibs-dev. Whatever it says is causing a problem, you can remove using the same dpkg command. This is anything causing an overwrite problem. I managed to upgrade X on my system a month ago or so which encountered this, and it didn't take too many steps to get around it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 18:01:44 2004 From: tchitow-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Martin Duclos) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:01:44 -0400 Subject: zip dirve Message-ID: I have both so I can fascilitate the transfer for you. I don't have a power cable tho. Contact me at tchitow-PkbjNfxxIATowKkBSvOlow at public.gmane.org Martin Duclos ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sasha Uritsky" Reply-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org To: Subject: [TLUG]: zip dirve Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from lethe.ss.org ([206.108.5.1]) by mc1-f10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:07:43 -0700 Received: by lethe.ss.org (Postfix)id 1931E6D72A; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lethe.ss.org (Postfix, from userid 54)id E34D46D66F; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGk3bnWdX/+jnIoGoKFH/J+ Delivered-To: tlug-route-MHjupGqSvN5g9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org X-Original-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Delivered-To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Message-ID: <002c01c4224b$3a6c8aa0$0000fea9-n/6s2I+FsSafRZ0D9MFODw at public.gmane.org> References: <406B5C20.9040208-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org> <406C7DAB.6020608 at rogers.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: list Return-Path: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 17:07:44.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[00A62C20:01C42243] Hi all, does anyone know a place in Toronto, where there is access both to the zip drive and CD writer? I need to copy files from the zip drive to CD. Alternatively, a place where I can buy a zip drive power supply (for iomega Zip 100 with parallel cable). thanx, sasha -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 18:36:54 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20040414062539.GA1720-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414062539.GA1720@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:24:14PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > As there may not be a projector available for tonight's > > presentation, I have put most of the material I will be covering > > on my web site in text, > > PostScript and PDF formats. > > > > If you are going to attend, you may find it helpful to print out > > some of these files, particularly pop[1-5], and have them for > > reference at the meeting. > > > > I may be adding a few more files before I leave the house. > > Good talk. I almost forgot about > array[ ${#array[*]} ] > > But, how do you determine which email to delete? That is, what criteria > do you try to match? deny() { printf "%s\n" "${header[@]}" "${body[@]}" | egrep -if $deny >/dev/null 2>&1 && return 5 || return 0 } allow=$HOME/.mf-allow deny=$HOME/.mf-deny .mf-deny contains: ^FROM:.*\ [a-z][a-z] ^From:.*Microsoft.* ^From:.*Inet ^From:.*Internet ^From:.*Security Division ^Subject:.*New Internet Critical Pack (Cumulative|Network|Critical).*Patch ^To:.*client\@ ^Virus detected ^(To|Cc):.*Network Client ^(To|Cc):.*receiver ^(To|Cc):.*recipient ^(To|Cc):.*\ ^(To|Cc):.*Client ^(To|Cc):.*Customer ^(To|Cc):.*Inet Receiver.* ^(TO|Cc):.*Internet -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 18:58:37 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:58:37 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms In-Reply-To: <20040414165651.GA8192-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> <200404141239.59023.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <20040414165651.GA8192@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <200404141458.37054.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On April 14, 2004 12:56 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Unfortunately this doesn't seem to do it. > Shift-[left/right] just sends 6C or 6D to the terminal. > > Alt-[left/right] moves through desktops - which is handy on its own! I think this page: http://pekwm.org/documentation/include/pekwmdocs_allinone.html gives you enough information on how to configure this. Was the behaviour different before you used X.org? > On 12:39 Wed 14 Apr , Fred Nastos wrote: > > On April 13, 2004 06:14 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > > I recently installed X.org. I noticed strange behaviour with the > > > x-terms. I am using pekwm. In a given desktop When I open more than one > > > xterm (or aterm) the new terms appear as 'tabs' of the first xterm. I > > > do not know how to control this behaviour and I do not know how to > > > navigate the 'tabs'. > > > > To navigate the tabs, try > > shift + left/right cursor key > > or > > alt + left/right cursor key -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 21:16:27 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:16:27 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms In-Reply-To: <200404141458.37054.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> <200404141239.59023.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <20040414165651.GA8192@butters.southtrak> <200404141458.37054.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20040414211627.GB8192@butters.southtrak> This is excellent. This is what was happening. I don't know why I didn't try middle clicking! Strange thing is tha it wasn't doing it before I installed x.org. On 14:58 Wed 14 Apr , Fred Nastos wrote: > On April 14, 2004 12:56 pm, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > I think this page: > > http://pekwm.org/documentation/include/pekwmdocs_allinone.html > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 21:57:57 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:57:57 -0400 Subject: Storage on Floppy In-Reply-To: References: <200404130711.50236.wildberger@cogeco.ca> <200404131827.04819.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <200404141757.57578.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Thank you,Tim, for your detailed explanation. It might be a good read for all those who suggested that the problem is in my system and not related to the nature of how data is stored. Answers like yours restores my faith into the real purpose of the TLUG: "Exploring Linux and helping each other to gain a better understanding." John Wildberger On Wednesday 14 April 2004 10:46 am, Tim Writer wrote: > Time to clear this up. The options sync, dirsync, etc. shouldn't have any > effect on this behaviour. Let me see if I can explain what's happening. > > I'm sure most users on this list are familiar with what happens when a > filesystem runs out of inodes. While df (without options) reports space is > available, any attempt to create a file fails with an error message > indicating the file system is full. Using "df -i" tells you you're out of > inodes, meaning there is space for the file data but no space for the > directory entry or file name. > > This problem (the one that John is reporting) is the converse of the above > problem. Copying "large" files to the floppy has exhausted the data space > but there's still inode space so he can create empty files until he runs > out of inodes. > > Not convinced? Try this test (as root). Note, you don't need a floppy > (USB or otherwise). > > # Make a 1.44MB file > dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/xxx bs=1024 count=1440 > # Put a DOS file system on it > mkdosfs /var/tmp/xxx > # Mount it > mount -t vfat -o loop /var/tmp/xxx /mnt > # Fill with 200kB files > for i in `seq 0 9` > do > dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/file$i bs=1024 count=200 > done > # Take a look at what's there > ls -l /mnt > df /mnt > df -i /mnt > # Show that we can still create an empty file > touch /mnt/xxx > > This behaviour isn't specific to DOS file systems. Repeat the above with > mke2fs and you'll get the same behaviour. Mounting with the sync and/or > dirsync option makes no difference but note that dirsync is specific to > msdos and vfat. > > For the nit pickers, the above discussion is somewhat simplified. In > truth, if the disk is full but inodes are available, you still might not be > able to create an empty file because you need data space to store the file > name. Since most (all?) file systems store file names within the data space > of directories and most (all?) file systems pre-allocate data space in > blocks, you will be able to create empty files until you run out of inodes > or until you exhaust the data space of the target directory. > I believe you but I'm having a harder time believing those who disagree > with you. Perhaps they are using a file manager or utility that removes > any partially copied files. I repeated the above tests using cp instead of > dd in the for loop with the same result. > > Is this behaviour a bug? I'd rather call it a quirk of the implementation > and its right for you to point it out as it could bite new users. It's > reasonable for a good file manager to remove partially copied files but I > wouldn't expect that from the command line utilities. > > As an aside, I generally discourage users from mounting floppies because, > due to the lack of a software controllable lock (such as CDs have), it's > too easy to cause data corruption or worse by ejecting a mounted floppy. I > prefer mtools. Unfortunately, konqueror encourages users to mount floppies > with its mountable icons and I suspect other file managers do the same. > IMO, it would be better if file managers didn't mount removable media or > only mounted it briefly, i.e. mount, retrieve a list of files, umount; > mount, copy a file, umount; etc. While this would cause some loss of > performance, it would protect users from data corruption or worse. And, at > the risk of sounding condescending or elitist, those who make heavy use of > file managers are more than likely the kind of users who need this type of > protection. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 22:08:59 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:08:59 -0400 Subject: /etc Message-ID: <20040414220859.GA7764@dmz> There were a few emails earlier discussing why not to put /etc on a separate partition. I have a similar question: What exactly do you need to have in /etc (and when in the boot process)? I am doing an apt-get dist-upgrade (from woody to sarge) on a single partition installation that is used as the basis for a live-cd, and I am trying to ln -s as much as possible to a /var/etc dir that is mounted rw instead of ro. AFAICS, the following need to be readable immediately, so cannot be ln -s to /var/etc, as my /var is mounted too late in the boot process. /etc/inittab /etc/init.d /etc/rc?.d /etc/rc.boot /etc/fstab /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/gshadow /etc/pam.d Is there anything I am missing? /etc/bash.bashrc? /etc/terminfo? /etc/modules.conf? TIA, -Jeremy -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 23:06:23 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:06:23 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> <407B373F.8040306@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <407DC3EF.8090308@sympatico.ca> Jing Su wrote: >>modprobe acpi, however you might want to check to make sure the stock >>kernel in that distro has acpi compiled in, or at least is available as >>a module. >> >> > >Someone previously also mentioned 'modprobe apm'. > >Make sure you use only one or the other. The two are exclusive and I'm >not sure if the system works right if you load both. ACPI is preferred if >supported by your kernel/mother-board. > > Both 'modprobe apci' and 'modprobe apm' returned no modules found. Is this something I need to do in the kernel, or can I install the modules? I'm checking into some of the errors others asked me about, but I'm not near the PC just yet. Thanks, John. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 00:12:01 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:12:01 -0400 Subject: apt problems In-Reply-To: <20040414175253.GK9627-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <407D6F73.9040301@sympatico.ca> <20040414175253.GK9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <407DD351.9060108@sympatico.ca> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >If you do: dpkg --force-depends -r xlibs > >Then apt-get -f install should complain about some things that depends >on it. If it fails to run then something else is conflicting too, maybe >xlibs-dev. Whatever it says is causing a problem, you can remove using >the same dpkg command. This is anything causing an overwrite problem. > >I managed to upgrade X on my system a month ago or so which encountered >this, and it didn't take too many steps to get around it. > >Lennart Sorensen > > alrighty, tried that and got; root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# dpkg --force-depends -r xlibs dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xlibs, only the config files of which are on the system. Use --purge to remove them too. I guess the previous commands took xlibs out. so, not really knowing wht I'm doing, I tried "dpkg --purge xlibs" and got; gimp (and depends on xlibs (>> 4.1.0) | libxt6; however: Package xlibs is to be removed. Package libxt6 is not configured yet. >>>> repeated ~40 times, all in reference to gimp and "lib*** not yet configured"<<<< [snip] ending with; dpkg: error processing xlibs (--purge): dependency problems - not removing Errors were encountered while processing: xlibs so "apt-get remove gimp" spat out a great ream ending with; xskat: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed xtel: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed xterm: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed xtv: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed xvncviewer: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed xzoom: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed yelp: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution) baffled ? you bet ! ready to try something else ? why not ! thanks /again/ , djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 14 23:24:45 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:24:45 -0400 Subject: Powering Off In-Reply-To: <407DC3EF.8090308-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <1081799696.2229.36.camel@venus.spacecontrol.mon> <407B373F.8040306@cogeco.ca> <407DC3EF.8090308@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: > Both 'modprobe apci' and 'modprobe apm' returned no modules found. Is > this something I need to do in the kernel, or can I install the modules? > > I'm checking into some of the errors others asked me about, but I'm not > near the PC just yet. did you do the modprobe commands as 'root'? go to the /lib/modules directory and see if you have the module somewhere: cd /lib/modules find -type f -name *apm* find -type f -name *acpi* See if that returns anything. If you have a standard distro setup you should have the module already somewhere. If you built your own kernel, you'll have to enable and build the module. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 00:23:14 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:23:14 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes Message-ID: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> I have been so unhappy with my experience with Fedora so far. I am really looking forward to switching after my exams are finished. My latest problem is that I want to autostart programs when I log in to an X session. You would think it is easy. However, Redhat's hacked scripts don't let you add your own entries to .xinitrc. However, Redhat has also appeared to have removed the Startup section from the gnome menu. I am no computer whiz, but I am not a total newbie either. I can't believe that I spent the last hour trying to figure how how to autostart my favorite apps. The worst part is that I haven't figured it out yet. Instead I have given up. Blast you Redhat -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 00:28:24 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:28:24 -0400 Subject: autoresponder In-Reply-To: <1081918934.407cc5d61f894-2RFepEojUI3cp3tO7ijp/+wE3QwKrvby@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414045014.GB5725@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> <1081918934.407cc5d61f894@webmail.ksmultimedia.com> Message-ID: <407DD728.3000701@rogers.com> Perhaps you should have a word with your mail admin. Those sort of messages are generally limited to company internal. Sidney Shapiro wrote: > If this was directed at me, sorry, I turned it on for the wrong account. > > Ill be sure to be more careful the next time I go away > > Sid > > Quoting Stephen Allen : > > >>Could someone unsubscribe the bozo. >> >>-- >>S.Allen >>------------------------------------------- >>barnyard Wednesday Apr 14 2004 12:45:02 AM EDT >>------------------------------------------- >>Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proven innocent. >>- George Orwell >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 01:03:56 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:03:56 -0400 Subject: autoresponder In-Reply-To: <407DD728.3000701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414045014.GB5725@barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org> <1081918934.407cc5d61f894@webmail.ksmultimedia.com> <407DD728.3000701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404142103.56101.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 14 April 2004 20:28, James Knott wrote: > Perhaps you should have a word with your mail admin. ?Those sort of > messages are generally limited to company internal. At the very least they should not respond to bulk mail (mailing lists). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 02:21:03 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 14 Apr 2004 22:21:03 -0400 Subject: /etc In-Reply-To: <20040414220859.GA7764-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414220859.GA7764@dmz> Message-ID: Jeremy Wakeman writes: > There were a few emails earlier discussing why not to put /etc on a > separate partition. I have a similar question: What exactly do you need > to have in /etc (and when in the boot process)? I am doing an apt-get > dist-upgrade (from woody to sarge) on a single partition installation > that is used as the basis for a live-cd, and I am trying to ln -s as > much as possible to a /var/etc dir that is mounted rw instead of ro. > > AFAICS, the following need to be readable immediately, so cannot be ln > -s to /var/etc, as my /var is mounted too late in the boot process. > > /etc/inittab > /etc/init.d > /etc/rc?.d > /etc/rc.boot > /etc/fstab > /etc/passwd > /etc/shadow > /etc/group > /etc/gshadow > /etc/pam.d > > Is there anything I am missing? Yes. :-) Seriously, it's very difficult to give you a comprehensive answer because there are just way too many variables. For example, you asked if you need /etc/modules.conf. Well, it depends. If / is on IDE and /var is on SCSI, you _might_ need /etc/modules.conf in order to mount /var. I say "might" because that depends on your kernel and how you load modules. The best advice I can offer is to look at how some CD based distributions do it. KNOPPIX is comprehensive but might be complicated, RIP is small, and there are many others. Have a look at the Linux distributions list at http://lwn.net. HTH, -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 02:27:15 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:27:15 -0400 Subject: TLUG web site Message-ID: <20040415022715.GW864@smeagol> Hi, Someone told me yesterday that the TLUG web site has been updated and that the new meeting coordinator was added as the contact person for meetings...I'm not sure which page was updated, but http://tlug.ss.org/meetings/meeting-future.shtml is still wrong. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:10:21 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:10:21 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <20040414202314.0542c217-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040414230144.02dedeb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Try adding a line to /etc/profile; e.g. /usr/X11R6/bin/program-name &. The & means it opens in the background; i.e., the system is free to go on and do something else. It's fairly easy to guess where to put such lines. Of course you must be logged in as root. As to Fedora - it's my favorite so far; except Mozilla gave me some mysterious problem after operating fine for a while. Perhaps there was a workaround, but I didn't bother - got Opera instead. At 08:23 PM 4/14/04, you wrote: >I have been so unhappy with my experience with Fedora so far. I am really >looking forward to switching after my exams are finished. > >My latest problem is that I want to autostart programs when I log in to an >X session. You would think it is easy. However, Redhat's hacked scripts >don't let you add your own entries to .xinitrc. However, Redhat has also >appeared to have removed the Startup section from the gnome menu. > >I am no computer whiz, but I am not a total newbie either. I can't believe >that I spent the last hour trying to figure how how to autostart my >favorite apps. The worst part is that I haven't figured it out yet. >Instead I have given up. > >Blast you Redhat >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www3.sympatico.ca/echapin http://www.monkeys.com/spammers-are-leeches -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:31:55 2004 From: lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Anita T.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:31:55 -0400 Subject: TLUG web site In-Reply-To: <20040415022715.GW864-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040415022715.GW864@smeagol> Message-ID: <407E022B.9050504@linux.ca> Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Someone told me yesterday that the TLUG web site has been updated and that > the new meeting coordinator was added as the contact person for > meetings...I'm not sure which page was updated, but > http://tlug.ss.org/meetings/meeting-future.shtml Thanks for letting us know about that page, missed that spot. The contact info on the front page had been changed as soon as was possible. Also just so you know, it was unfortunate, but earlier in the month you were actually trying to reach a contact person during a time of recent change. On top of that, the machine the site was run on broke and had to be replaced...then everything had to be installed, restored (as was evident with broken pages, not everything was configured yet at that time). Keep well, Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:29:59 2004 From: lalune-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (Anita T.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:29:59 -0400 Subject: TLUG web site In-Reply-To: <20040415022715.GW864-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040415022715.GW864@smeagol> Message-ID: <407E01B7.3020405@linux.ca> Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Someone told me yesterday that the TLUG web site has been updated and that > the new meeting coordinator was added as the contact person for > meetings...I'm not sure which page was updated, but > http://tlug.ss.org/meetings/meeting-future.shtml Thanks for letting us know about that page, missed that spot. The contact info on the front page had been changed as soon as was possible. Also just so you know, it was unfortunate, but earlier in the month you were actually trying to reach a contact person during a time of recent change. On top of that, the machine the site was run on broke and had to be replaced...then everything had to be installed, restored (as was evident with broken pages, not everything was configured yet at that time). Keep well, Anita -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:42:01 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:42:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <20040414202314.0542c217-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> Message-ID: <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 20:23, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I have been so unhappy with my experience with Fedora so far. I am really looking > forward to switching after my exams are finished. > > My latest problem is that I want to autostart programs when I log in to an > X session. You would think it is easy. However, Redhat's hacked scripts don't > let you add your own entries to .xinitrc. However, Redhat has also appeared to have > removed the Startup section from the gnome menu. I don't have a Fedora system to verify this on, but don't you use the "Session Manager" to autostart programs in GNOME? Red Hat Menu -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Session Manager Sure you can hack .xinitrc and .Xclients if you wish, but there is a nicer way to do it. > I am no computer whiz, but I am not a total newbie either. I can't believe that > I spent the last hour trying to figure how how to autostart my favorite apps. > The worst part is that I haven't figured it out yet. Instead I have given up. Ah... don't give up. Take a break, go for a walk, clear the mind, then tackle the problem again. Also, try googling for "gnome linux autostart". We've all been there. We know how frustrating this stuff can be. > Blast you Redhat 'nuff said. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:44:22 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:44:22 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040414230144.02dedeb0-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <6.0.3.0.2.20040414230144.02dedeb0@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040415034422.GA18897@butters.southtrak> My concern is having to do a hack. The program that I want to run is LinNeighborhood so that I will mount my samba shares. I know that I could automount them by putting a line into my /etc/fstab. However, there must be a way to do run a program at startup that doesn't require root permission. Technically there is no reason that this shouldn't be the case and indeed the gnome default is to allow it. At some point it appears that Fedora developers decided to remove this functionality. I don't get why. On 23:10 Wed 14 Apr , Elliott Chapin wrote: > Try adding a line to /etc/profile; e.g. /usr/X11R6/bin/program-name &. The > & means it opens in the background; i.e., the system is free to go on and > do something else. It's fairly easy to guess where to put such lines. Of > course you must be logged in as root. > > As to Fedora - it's my favorite so far; except Mozilla gave me some > mysterious problem after operating fine for a while. Perhaps there was a > workaround, but I didn't bother - got Opera instead. > > At 08:23 PM 4/14/04, you wrote: -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:48:51 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:48:51 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <1082000521.5564.4.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <20040415034851.GA25252@butters.southtrak> This is the answer. I tried googling but was led to expect something at the base of the Gnome menu. Thank you very much for this tip. On 23:42 Wed 14 Apr , Paul Mora wrote: >Gnome menu | Preferences | More Preferences | Sessions | Startup >Programs! -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 03:58:24 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:58:24 -0400 Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20040414062539.GA1720@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040415035824.GA3067@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:36:54PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > > But, how do you determine which email to delete? That is, what > > criteria do you try to match? > > > deny() { > printf "%s\n" "${header[@]}" "${body[@]}" | > egrep -if $deny >/dev/null 2>&1 && return 5 || return 0 > } > ^FROM:.*\ [a-z][a-z] > ^From:.*Microsoft.* > ^From:.*Inet > ^From:.*Internet > ^From:.*Security Division > ^Subject:.*New Internet Critical Pack > (Cumulative|Network|Critical).*Patch > ^To:.*client\@ > ^Virus detected > ^(To|Cc):.*Network Client > ^(To|Cc):.*receiver > ^(To|Cc):.*recipient > ^(To|Cc):.*\ > ^(To|Cc):.*Client > ^(To|Cc):.*Customer > ^(To|Cc):.*Inet Receiver.* > ^(TO|Cc):.*Internet In the talk, you said multiple 'To:' addresses with same domain, ie. To: ...-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org, ... at rogers.com, ... at rogers.com, ...-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org, ... at rogers.com, ... at rogers.com would be a spam and is deleted. But, how do you do that with egrep -f deny mechanism? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 04:07:38 2004 From: av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Avtar Gill) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:07:38 -0400 Subject: debian renovation In-Reply-To: <407CBEAA.7020505-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407E0A8A.7020306@sympatico.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > I have /home on a separate partition and have a partition I was goung to > use for /usr, I could also separate /var and /etc, would you reccomend > this ? What files system(s) would you reccomend ? ext3 ? xfs ? reiser3 ? I've had nothing but great experiences with XFS. Not so much with Reiser but everyone has different horror stories when it comes to Linux filesystems. Pick your poison. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 04:28:37 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:28:37 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <1082000521.5564.4.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> Sorry about *my* earlier answer, Noah. I think I should have said "startx" (wherever it is) rather than "profile". At 11:42 PM 4/14/04, you wrote: >On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 20:23, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > I have been so unhappy with my experience with Fedora so far. I am > really looking > > forward to switching after my exams are finished. > > > > My latest problem is that I want to autostart programs when I log in to an > > X session. You would think it is easy. However, Redhat's hacked scripts > don't > > let you add your own entries to .xinitrc. However, Redhat has also > appeared to have > > removed the Startup section from the gnome menu. > >I don't have a Fedora system to verify this on, but don't you use the >"Session Manager" to autostart programs in GNOME? > >Red Hat Menu -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Session Manager > >Sure you can hack .xinitrc and .Xclients if you wish, but there is a >nicer way to do it. > > > I am no computer whiz, but I am not a total newbie either. I can't > believe that > > I spent the last hour trying to figure how how to autostart my favorite > apps. > > The worst part is that I haven't figured it out yet. Instead I have > given up. > >Ah... don't give up. Take a break, go for a walk, clear the mind, then >tackle the problem again. Also, try googling for "gnome linux >autostart". > >We've all been there. We know how frustrating this stuff can be. > > > Blast you Redhat > >'nuff said. > >pm > >-- >Paul Mora > >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www3.sympatico.ca/echapin http://www.monkeys.com/spammers-are-leeches -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 04:45:11 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tonight's meeting In-Reply-To: <20040415035824.GA3067-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414062539.GA1720@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040415035824.GA3067@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 02:36:54PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > > > But, how do you determine which email to delete? That is, what > > > criteria do you try to match? > > > > > > deny() { > > printf "%s\n" "${header[@]}" "${body[@]}" | > > egrep -if $deny >/dev/null 2>&1 && return 5 || return 0 > > } > > > ^FROM:.*\ [a-z][a-z] [snip] > > ^(TO|Cc):.*Internet > > In the talk, you said multiple 'To:' addresses with same domain, ie. > To: ...-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org, ... at rogers.com, ... at rogers.com, > ...-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org, ... at rogers.com, ... at rogers.com > would be a spam and is deleted. > > But, how do you do that with > egrep -f deny > mechanism? I actually use multiple deny files, but it could all be in one; this is from one of the other files: ^(To|Cc):.*<.*@rogers.com>,.*<.*@rogers.com>,.*<.*@rogers.com>,.*<.*@rogers.com> ^(To|Cc):.*<.*@torfree.net>,.*<.*@torfree.net>,.*<.*@torfree.net>,.*<.*@torfree.net> It could probably be shortened with an ERE, but that requires too much unnecessary thought. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 06:26:29 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:26:29 -0400 Subject: filesystems In-Reply-To: <407E0A8A.7020306-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> <407E0A8A.7020306@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407E2B15.6020303@sympatico.ca> Avtar Gill wrote: > > I've had nothing but great experiences with XFS. Do you use really large files ? (as SGI designed xfs to do ? > Not so much with Reiser breakage ? > but everyone has different horror stories when it comes to Linux So far I've had everything melt down, at one time or another, /but/ the file system.. due any time now .. > filesystems. Pick your poison. OK, fast & stable; xfs ? soon (maybe) to be reiser4 ? Are different filesystems more appropriate for certain partitions ? boot ? windoze accessible ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 06:32:48 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:32:48 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. In-Reply-To: <200404141136.02137.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <407E2C90.3050303@sympatico.ca> Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: >Hi all, > >I promised TLUGers to to send my hotplug USB storage script. > >Here we go. It works like charm for me for both digital camera and >USB key. > Alright ! can't wait to try it ! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 06:49:07 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:49:07 -0600 Subject: filesystems In-Reply-To: <407E2B15.6020303-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> <407E0A8A.7020306@sympatico.ca> <407E2B15.6020303@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040415064907.GB21399@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 02:26:29AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > >I've had nothing but great experiences with XFS. > > Do you use really large files ? (as SGI designed xfs to do ? > > >Not so much with Reiser > > breakage ? Reiser had some stability issues in its early life. The versions in recent kernels are reputed to be pretty damn stable, though. > OK, fast & stable; xfs ? Fast for big files... If you want fast for small files, the only choice is ReiserFS. > soon (maybe) to be reiser4 ? Not all journalling fileystems are equal. Reiser, XFS, and JFS all (afaik, definitely doublecheck on your own) do only metadata journalling, not file content journalling. THere are horror stories (more with old reiser; not sure if it's still an issue) where you would get half of a file update to disk. The file structure is always valid (metadata journalling) but the actual file contents are not protected in any meaningful way; certain parts of a file may or may not make it out of cache and onto disk in the order that you think you wrote them. ext3 does full filesystem journalling: metadata and file data. This probably makes it the slowest of all of them, but it's also the most compatible (it's actually ext2 with a journal attached) and the journal handles all of the data, so partial writes actually look like partial writes in the correct order. I believe that reiser4 is supposed to do full journalling. It will be a while before it will be stable, though. Filesystems take a long time to burn-in. ;) > Are different filesystems more appropriate for certain partitions ? boot > ? windoze accessible ? The only filesystems that Windows can read and Linux can write to, both without help from funky 3rd party drivers or software, would be FAT (fat16/32/vfat/whatever). Linux can write to NTFS in a very limited fashion now, or there is a driver harness available now that can actually load and use the windows ntfs driver object code. Daemon-tools (NOT the djb stuff for UNIX!) for Windows may be able to read and write to some types of Linux filesystems...or so I may have heard. -- taa The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 14:19:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:19:10 -0400 Subject: apt problems In-Reply-To: <407DD351.9060108-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40799457.5010607@sympatico.ca> <200404131600.48020.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CCD05.4060007@sympatico.ca> <200404140822.34155.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040414143810.GI9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <407D6F73.9040301@sympatico.ca> <20040414175253.GK9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <407DD351.9060108@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040415141910.GL9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:12:01PM -0400, David J Patrick wrote: > alrighty, tried that and got; > > root-FHL3x92oaS0 at public.gmane.org:/mnt/hda8/djp# dpkg --force-depends -r xlibs > dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xlibs, only the config > files of which are on the system. Use --purge to remove them too. > > I guess the previous commands took xlibs out. > so, not really knowing wht I'm doing, I tried "dpkg --purge xlibs" > and got; You don't want to purge the config, just temporarily remove the files so something else can be unpacked. > gimp (and depends on xlibs (>> 4.1.0) | libxt6; however: > Package xlibs is to be removed. > Package libxt6 is not configured yet. > >>>> repeated ~40 times, all in reference to gimp and "lib*** not yet > configured"<<<< > [snip] ending with; > dpkg: error processing xlibs (--purge): > dependency problems - not removing > Errors were encountered while processing: > xlibs > > so "apt-get remove gimp" > spat out a great ream ending with; > > xskat: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > xtel: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > xterm: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > xtv: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > xvncviewer: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > xzoom: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > yelp: Depends: xlibs (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or > specify a solution) > > baffled ? you bet ! > ready to try something else ? why not ! > thanks /again/ , What happens when you do this then: apt-get install libxev xlibs And what when you do this? apt-get -f install I am trying to figure out which other package is causing the problem. xlibs and libxev are two of them, but something else must be having issues too. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 15:15:55 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:15:55 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. In-Reply-To: <407E2C90.3050303-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> <407E2C90.3050303@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404151115.55054.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 15, 2004 02:32 am, David J Patrick wrote: > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I promised TLUGers to to send my hotplug USB storage script. > > > >Here we go. It works like charm for me for both digital camera and > >USB key. > > Alright ! can't wait to try it ! Just try it, then =) Lemme know if there is any issues with it? I think you know my cell phone number, therefore you can call me if you'll have any issues. Or you can call me to my office phone number. PS: If someone will try the script, just send me a feedback, what's want to be improved there. Right now I am trying to finish my daemon, who doing some kind of CD-ROM autoplay stuff. It's not automount, it's recognizes the type of CD media, trying to distinguish between audio CD, data CD (VCD/SVCD/MP3/MPEG1,2,3,4) files and to start xine player in full screen mode. At this moment I have support only for Audio CD and VCD/SVCD, and I am trying to make clean up the logic for MP3/MPEG logic. -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 16:00:27 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:00:27 -0400 Subject: X.org X-terms In-Reply-To: <20040413221449.GA12843-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040413221449.GA12843@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040415120027.5a653896.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:14:49 -0400 Noah John Gellner disseminated the following: > I recently installed X.org. I noticed strange behaviour with the > x-terms. I am using pekwm. In a given desktop When I open more than one > xterm (or aterm) the new terms appear as 'tabs' of the first xterm. I do > not know how to control this behaviour and I do not know how to navigate > the 'tabs'. > > Any ideas? Looks like the terms are configured to automatically group. There is a config file 'autoproperties' which controls this behaviour. X.org may be giving all the terms the same name, and therefore they are all grouped. You may be able to get around this by running a term you do *not* want grouped with a different 'name'. Different terms have different ways of doing this, but for Eterm you use -T or -n to set the instance name, IIRC. See 'man aterm' or 'man xterm' for the equivalent. You can also configure the keys which move between grouped windows in the 'keys' file, for example: KeyPress = "Mod1 n" { Actions = "NextInFrame" } or, as I have it set in my 'mouse' config file (Frame section): ButtonRelease = "4" { Actions = "NextInFrame" } ButtonRelease = "5" { Actions = "PrevInFrame" } which then allows you to mousewheel through grouped windows. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "One of the most dangerous errors of our time is the belief that human beings are uniquely violent animals, barely restrained from committing atrocities on each other by the constraints of ethics, religion, and the state." -- Eric S. Raymond -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 16:14:29 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 15 Apr 2004 12:14:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50-2rsVQ1puvno7CN7eYweJA/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Elliott Chapin writes: > Sorry about *my* earlier answer, Noah. I think I should have said "startx" > (wherever it is) rather than "profile". No, both are incorrect. /etc/profile is the global confiration file for bash. It's where you set environment variables and the like for all bash users. You shouldn't put anything interactive (i.e. anything that requires a terminal) in this file and you certainly should't put anything that pertains to X here. startx is usally in /usr/X11R6/bin/startx and is a wrapper script for starting the X Window System. It's normally only used on systems that aren't running a display manager (sometimes called a login manager or graphical login) such as xdm, kdm, or gdm. Even if you were using startx to start X, you shouldn't modify it. It generally calls xinit which has its own hooks for modification, specifically ~/.xinitrc. If, for some reason, startx didn't do the right thing for you (and you weren't running a display manager), you simply call xinit yourself and/or write your own wrapper. No need to modify startx as shipped by the distribution. Paul Mora had the right answer with the GNOME session manager. See below for more. > At 11:42 PM 4/14/04, you wrote: > >On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 20:23, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > > I have been so unhappy with my experience with Fedora so far. I am really > > looking > > > > forward to switching after my exams are finished. > > > > > > My latest problem is that I want to autostart programs when I log in to an > > > X session. You would think it is easy. However, Redhat's hacked scripts > > don't > > > > let you add your own entries to .xinitrc. However, Redhat has also > > appeared to have > > > > removed the Startup section from the gnome menu. > > > >I don't have a Fedora system to verify this on, but don't you use the > >"Session Manager" to autostart programs in GNOME? > > > >Red Hat Menu -> Preferences -> More Preferences -> Session Manager > > > >Sure you can hack .xinitrc and .Xclients if you wish, but there is a > >nicer way to do it. Nicer? I've been programming with Unix since 1983, using X since 1988, and providing professional services for Unix (and later Linux) since 1993. Since 1993, Unix/Linux has served as my primary desktop and I haven't spent more than a few consecutive hours in front of Windows. I've used twm, olwm, 4dwm, mwm, fvwm, WindowMaker, xfce, KDE, and some early releases of GNOME. Some months ago, I tried GNOME 2.4 on my Debian system (happily running KDE 3.1.x at the time). Not only did it take me hours to get GNOME up and running, I don't remember how long it took me to find the above Session Manager menu, and even then it didn't work reliably. Sometimes a program would start, sometimes it wouldn't. Eventually, I gave up and hacked ~/.xsession. I have nothing against desktop environments. In fact I like KDE and use it daily, although I spend most of my time at the command line in an xterm or in Xemacs. While I think the GNOME project has produced a lot of good software, I don't consider the GNOME desktop a success. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 15 18:43:19 2004 From: av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Avtar Gill) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:43:19 -0400 Subject: filesystems In-Reply-To: <407E2B15.6020303-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <407C4A93.3050204@sympatico.ca> <200404131734.21272.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <407CBEAA.7020505@sympatico.ca> <407E0A8A.7020306@sympatico.ca> <407E2B15.6020303@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <407ED7C7.8090407@sympatico.ca> David J Patrick wrote: > Do you use really large files ? (as SGI designed xfs to do ? I use XFS on mail servers which house Cyrus IMAP mail stores consisting of small files and on file servers which store large surveillance video data. In both scenarios I've been satisified with XFS's performance and stability. I don't have specific benchmarks but XFS definetly doesn't slow down to a grinding halt if used for storing smaller files =P >> Not so much with Reiser > > breakage ? In my personal experience I've noticed that XFS recovers more gracefully in scenarios where computers have been shut down abruptly. Reiser on the other hand, on my test server had to be appeased using reiserfsck and in the end I still ended up losing some files. I'm not saying that this will happen in every case where Reiserfs is used, it happened to me and I haven't regretted using XFS since then. > OK, fast & stable; xfs ? Definetly. > soon (maybe) to be reiser4 ? Probably not that soon. > ? windoze accessible ? I can't comment on that too much. You might have better luck if you refer to this.. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.5 Cheers, Avtar Gill -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 00:47:32 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Paul Mora) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:47:32 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 12:14, Tim Writer wrote: > > Nicer? I've been programming with Unix since 1983, using X since 1988, and > providing professional services for Unix (and later Linux) since 1993. Since > 1993, Unix/Linux has served as my primary desktop and I haven't spent more > than a few consecutive hours in front of Windows. I've used twm, olwm, 4dwm, > mwm, fvwm, WindowMaker, xfce, KDE, and some early releases of GNOME. Some > months ago, I tried GNOME 2.4 on my Debian system (happily running KDE 3.1.x > at the time). Not only did it take me hours to get GNOME up and running, I > don't remember how long it took me to find the above Session Manager menu, > and even then it didn't work reliably. Sometimes a program would start, > sometimes it wouldn't. Eventually, I gave up and hacked ~/.xsession. I knew that comment of mine would get something going. (grin) What I really meant by "nicer" was a nice friendly GNOME way of doing it. Even if the end result is not so nice, and not so friendly. I agree with the points you made about GNOME. In the last few years, I've been flip-flopping back and forth between GNOME and KDE (lately settling on KDE). I have also seen the same things you have; inconsistencies with GNOME, and having difficulty finding the right configuration options. I like the fact that KDE brings it all together nicely under the Control Center. Red Hat tries to provide something similar, by creating a Nautilus "view" called Control Center, where all the configuration program launchers are, but it's not quite there yet. Sometimes I think wistfully back to a time where I would spend hours editing my .fvwmrc file just to get my FVWM menus right. > I have nothing against desktop environments. In fact I like KDE and use it > daily, although I spend most of my time at the command line in an xterm or in > Xemacs. While I think the GNOME project has produced a lot of good software, > I don't consider the GNOME desktop a success. > Well said. pm -- Paul Mora -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 00:50:10 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 15 Apr 2004 20:50:10 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <200404051215.25577.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1082076610.18391.18.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:15, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Whitelisting is a great solution. I "receive" 200-300 spams per day (perhaps > more, I've stopped tracking it) but for the past 2 months I have seen only a > single spam in my inbox thanks to TMDA (http://tmda.net/). Managing the > whitelist is automated you just have to be careful with list subscriptions > and other automated emails that you might receive. Thank you Fraser. I hope I'm not speaking too soon, but TMDA is looking good despite a few false starts. (One test will be to see if I get a confirmation to this posting .) I'm still confused between "bare", "pending" and "confirmed" whitelists. -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd be happy to provide you (or anyone else) with a tarball of my configs if you like. I don't know the difference between the types of whitelists you mention either, I may have at one time but tmda is pretty much set and forget, I'm great at the second part ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 03:28:09 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 15 Apr 2004 23:28:09 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <200404152143.23868.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1082076610.18391.18.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <200404152143.23868.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1082086089.22643.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 21:43, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Thursday 15 April 2004 20:50, Alan Cohen wrote: > > > > I'm still confused between "bare", "pending" and "confirmed" whitelists. > > I'd be happy to provide you (or anyone else) with a tarball of my configs if > you like. I don't know the difference between the types of whitelists you > mention either, I may have at one time but tmda is pretty much set and > forget, I'm great at the second part ;-) Yes indeed. Please let me have a look at your configs. Thanks in advance. hmmmmm... if you email it to me off-list, you'll presumably get a confirmation request from TMDA before it will allow your original message to be "released" There is some sort of web interface to allow users to modify their own configs. Have you tried it? -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. -- Walter Dnes Email users are divided into two classes; 1) Those who have effective spam-blocking 2) Those who wish they did -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 04:48:35 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: wget usage question In-Reply-To: <20040416041440.GA2999-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416041440.GA2999@m450> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Walter Dnes wrote: > I've pulled down the files in cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug ...the hard > way. So this question is academic today, but I'd like to know the > correct answer in future. I initially tried ftp, but couldn't access > the tlug directory. Then I tried wget, specifically... I guess ftp is no longer working. Pity... > wget -r --ignore-length cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug > > But wget missed abunch of files, especially in funcs, and I noticed > that it was starting to wander into unrelated directories, so I killed > it. How should I have done it ? Thanks in advance. wget cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug/tlug.tgz Unfortunately, I hadn't created the archive ... just did. :( I had intended to do that on Tuesday, but ran out of time. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 05:47:32 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:47:32 -0400 Subject: wget usage question In-Reply-To: <20040416041440.GA2999-Mb8sf/rG248@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416041440.GA2999@m450> Message-ID: <20040416054732.GA4339@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:14:41AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > I've pulled down the files in cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug ...the hard > way. So this question is academic today, but I'd like to know the > correct answer in future. I initially tried ftp, but couldn't access > the tlug directory. Then I tried wget, specifically... > > wget -r --ignore-length cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug > > But wget missed abunch of files, especially in funcs, and I noticed > that it was starting to wander into unrelated directories, so I killed > it. How should I have done it ? Thanks in advance. It's difficult to get around all those nagivation buttons. Try lynx -dump ... > list vi list wget -x -i list -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 11:40:22 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:40:22 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <1082086089.22643.7.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <200404152143.23868.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1082086089.22643.7.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <200404160740.22929.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 15 April 2004 23:28, Alan Cohen wrote: > Yes indeed. Please let me have a look at your configs. Thanks in > advance. hmmmmm... if you email it to me off-list, you'll presumably get > a confirmation request from TMDA before it will allow your original > message to be "released" Will do. > There is some sort of web interface to allow users to modify their own > configs. Have you tried it? I haven't but I plan to try it out eventually. I just use tmda-pending once in a while to review my mail ... if I think there's some mail that I've missed. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 15:41:41 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:41:41 -0600 Subject: wget usage question In-Reply-To: <20040416054732.GA4339-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416041440.GA2999@m450> <20040416054732.GA4339@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040416154141.GA77376@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:47:32AM -0400, William Park wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:14:41AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > I've pulled down the files in cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug ...the hard > > way. So this question is academic today, but I'd like to know the > > correct answer in future. I initially tried ftp, but couldn't access > > the tlug directory. Then I tried wget, specifically... > > > > wget -r --ignore-length cfaj.freeshell.org/tlug > > > > But wget missed abunch of files, especially in funcs, and I noticed > > that it was starting to wander into unrelated directories, so I killed > > it. How should I have done it ? Thanks in advance. To keep the wandering down, add the -np flag ("no parent"). That will keep it from creeping up to the rest of the site. -- taa There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. - Robert A. Heinlein /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 15:44:06 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 16 Apr 2004 11:44:06 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <1082076452.8313.8.camel-iZZPs9VQPXcqFv4aMVwAvg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: Paul Mora writes: > I like the fact that KDE brings it all together nicely under > the Control Center. Red Hat tries to provide something similar, by > creating a Nautilus "view" called Control Center, where all the > configuration program launchers are, but it's not quite there yet. Don't get me started on Nautilus. For me, the introductio of Nautilus was the beginning of the end for GNOME. With Nautilus, the GNOME project strayed so far away from the Unix philosophy, esp. the idea that programs should do one thing well, you'd think Microsoft was running the project! Try describing Nautilus in one brief, understandable sentence. Here's mine: Nautilus: the all singing, all dancing, swiss army chainsaw that eats memory for lunch and serves no useful purpose whatsoever. > Sometimes I think wistfully back to a time where I would spend hours > editing my .fvwmrc file just to get my FVWM menus right. Yep. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 16:09:01 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:09:01 -0400 Subject: scanner recommendations Message-ID: <20040416160901.GA17133@butters.southtrak> I have decided to buy a scanner. Its main use will be for copying documents and faxing. However, I would like the have the potential to do some imaging work. Does anyone have recommendations for a scanner which will work well with linux, is under $100, and works well? Noah -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 17:21:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:21:06 -0400 Subject: scanner recommendations In-Reply-To: <20040416160901.GA17133-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416160901.GA17133@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040416172106.GM9627@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:09:01PM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I have decided to buy a scanner. Its main use will be for copying > documents and faxing. However, I would like the have the potential to do > some imaging work. > > Does anyone have recommendations for a scanner which will work well with > linux, is under $100, and works well? The Epson 12x0 USB scanners are in general very well supported under Linux. Should be about the price you are looking for. not sure if the current model is 1250 or 1260. Some models (photo models) include transparency/slide adapters. Check the sane (scanners are now easy) project page for a list of working models. Sane's info on epson is that it generally works, except for one or two models that epson sourced from some other company (and it seems decided to never do again.) HP doesn't make scanners, they just brand and sell them, so each model (even similar in model number) can have completely different instructions and chips. Similarly with most other scanner makes. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 19:11:08 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:11:08 -0500 Subject: istop Message-ID: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Hi all, Quick question to all of you who use istop.com as their ISP, regarding their SLA (service level agreemen). Is it something you guys would recommend or not? Peter -- Peter Pieczora Photographer 416-986-2533 416-694-7516 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 18:16:19 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:16:19 -0400 Subject: hosting suggestions Message-ID: <1082139379.2685.18.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Hey this is almost off-topic, but can someone recommend a web hosting company to me. I'm about to dump my *second* supplier because they implied that they'd offer me ssh access to my account, but now won't. Required: - ssh - imap/smtp - ftp - httpd with perl/cgi - 500 MB storage, 10 GB/mo transfer (or more) - cheap (>$200 per year) Would be nice if it was a Canadian company too... dotcanada.com has all of those things minus ssh access, and installing typo3 over ftp is just about killing me! Thanks for your help, Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 17:07:30 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:07:30 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: > Nautilus: the all singing, all dancing, swiss army chainsaw that eats > memory for lunch and serves no useful purpose whatsoever. Well, I'll throw in my own 2 cents on all this. I've tried all incarnations of KDE and GNOME, old and new, as well as going bare with a simple window manager like TWM, OpenBox, WindowMaker, FVWM, etc. Right now, I'm using Gnome 2.6, built from source. Thus far, I'm still trying to get used to the "spacial nautilus", because I'm so used to navigating through a directory tree. But, as I use it, it's slowly growing on me. As to objections about the speed at which Gnome works, yes, it is a little slow, especially when lots of eye candy are turned on. But, I have a 400Mhz Pentium, and the delays are only one or two seconds at the most when it has to reload and cache icons and textures. Not really a huge performance impact, especially considering that most modern machines are much faster with more RAM. On my 2.4Ghz workstation at school, Gnome suffers no noticable slowdowns whatsoever. Nautilus, as I understand it, is like a graphical Bash. Yes, some people argue that Bash, as a shell, is overly bloated; but that's a different story. Most of all the specialized handlers for Nautilus are done through plugins that follow the Gnome component connector model (Bonobo?), so in a sense it still does follow the unix philosophy. The special stuff is still done through "small" supporting utilities. I do miss the control-center package that KDE offers, but Gnome somewhat makes up for it by providing a "Desktop Preferences" menu sub-tree that basically has every customizable setting grouped in it. So in a sense, it is like a control-center, just embedded into the menu. One more thing that I've noticed is that all the fancy sub-pixel anti-aliasing font stuff is a little slow, making the gnome-terminal refresh noticably slower on my 400Mhz machine at home. But if you make Gnome use the standard rasterized old X-fonts, the font rendering becomes much faster. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 20:45:48 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:45:48 -0400 Subject: hosting suggestions References: <1082139379.2685.18.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <001d01c423f3$cc4a6830$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> > Hey this is almost off-topic, but can someone recommend a web hosting > company to me. I'm about to dump my *second* supplier because they > implied that they'd offer me ssh access to my account, but now won't. > > Required: > - ssh > - imap/smtp > - ftp > - httpd with perl/cgi > - 500 MB storage, 10 GB/mo transfer (or more) > - cheap (>$200 per year) > > Would be nice if it was a Canadian company too... > dotcanada.com has all of those things minus ssh access, and installing > typo3 over ftp is just about killing me! Canadian companies are in avaerage more expensive than these from USA. Take a dedicated server. You will be free to do there whatever you want, and what a joy to work as a root on a machine is entirely yours! I use netmar.com . Have the chepest possible server there, for something like 30 US$ per month (though, may be, this cost is not valid anymore for new clients). zb. > Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 21:58:12 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:58:12 -0400 Subject: scanner recommendations In-Reply-To: <20040416160901.GA17133-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416160901.GA17133@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <408056F4.9080701@rogers.com> Noah John Gellner wrote: > I have decided to buy a scanner. Its main use will be for copying > documents and faxing. However, I would like the have the potential to do > some imaging work. > > Does anyone have recommendations for a scanner which will work well with > linux, is under $100, and works well? On Boxing day, I bought an Epson Perfection 1260 Photo Scanner for $80, which works well with Linux. It even works with Windows! ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 22:00:07 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Message-ID: <20040416175838.W64828@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Peter Pieczora wrote: > Quick question to all of you who use istop.com as their ISP, regarding their > SLA (service level agreemen). Is it something you guys would recommend or > not? I have not found a need for it. I considered it, but iStop has been so reliable (only one unexpected instance of downtime in months, when their core router blew up) convinces me that they are stable enough to not warrant paying for it. - Julian -- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc. -- Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. -- Phone: (416) 669-3073 PGP Key: 0x2B9F9D3E -- OpenTrend: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 22:14:41 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:14:41 -0400 Subject: istop References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416175838.W64828@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <001301c42400$375b8080$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> From: "Julian C. Dunn" > > Quick question to all of you who use istop.com as their ISP, regarding their > > SLA (service level agreemen). Is it something you guys would recommend or > > not? > > I have not found a need for it. The same on my side. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 23:40:39 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:40:39 -0500 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <001301c42400$375b8080$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416175838.W64828@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> <001301c42400$375b8080$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <200404161840.39796.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Thanks, guys. I wanted to make sure because few friends of mine are shopping around for ISP, and I needed to have an answer to that question handy. Since those guys will use Linksys or Dlink gateway/router, I hope that there are no issues with that hardware as well, as long as it runs pppoe. Peter -- Peter Pieczora Photographer 416-986-2533 416-694-7516 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 16 23:17:32 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:17:32 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404161840.39796.ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416175838.W64828@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> <001301c42400$375b8080$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> <200404161840.39796.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Message-ID: <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> I have been using golden triangle as an ISP and have had no problem with them, but I like that istop 1) is 5$ cheaper per month and 2) explicitly allows users to run servers. The latter use is not allowed on golden but they don't block ports so I guess it is use at your own risk. Golden doesn't have an explicit bandwith limit but I haven't ever come close to 25 gigs. My question is, what experiences have people had switching services from sympatico/ golden / whoever. I would like to make the switch for next month, but don't want to end up with a downtime nightmare. -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 01:54:07 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:54:07 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <20040416231732.GA8607-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404161840.39796.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 16 April 2004 19:17, Noah John Gellner wrote: > My question is, what experiences have people had switching services from > sympatico/ golden / whoever. I would like to make the switch for next > month, but don't want to end up with a downtime nightmare. In my case Sympatico stopped working and upon changing my username/password I was immediately connected with istop. Then the next day Bell got around to physically disconnecting me (dumb considering that they should have known I was going to just need "plugging" back in. Anyway, I believe that I had 2 days of downtime before being reconnected. I'm not sure if this is normal, I did provide istop with my Sympatico cancellation number. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 02:04:23 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:04:23 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404162154.07504.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404162204.23797.jab@muskokatech.ca> On Friday 16 April 2004 21:54, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2004 19:17, Noah John Gellner wrote: > > My question is, what experiences have people had switching services from > > sympatico/ golden / whoever. I would like to make the switch for next > > month, but don't want to end up with a downtime nightmare. > > In my case Sympatico stopped working and upon changing my username/password > I was immediately connected with istop. Then the next day Bell got around > to physically disconnecting me (dumb considering that they should have > known I was going to just need "plugging" back in. Anyway, I believe that > I had 2 days of downtime before being reconnected. I'm not sure if this is > normal, I did provide istop with my Sympatico cancellation number. I made sure my new service started before my old one ended by a week, and all I had to do was change my username and password and I was good to go. No downtime at all really. Jeremy Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 02:17:57 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:17:57 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404162204.23797.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200404162204.23797.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <20040417021757.GC8607@butters.southtrak> I like the sound of this news. I will give istop a call tomorrow! On 22:04 Fri 16 Apr , Jeremy Baker wrote: > On Friday 16 April 2004 21:54, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > In my case Sympatico stopped working and upon changing my username/password > > I was immediately connected with istop. Then the next day Bell got around > > to physically disconnecting me (dumb considering that they should have > > known I was going to just need "plugging" back in. Anyway, I believe that > > I had 2 days of downtime before being reconnected. I'm not sure if this is > > normal, I did provide istop with my Sympatico cancellation number. > > I made sure my new service started before my old one ended by a week, and all > I had to do was change my username and password and I was good to go. No > downtime at all really. > > Jeremy Baker -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 02:25:17 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn - Lists) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:25:17 -0400 Subject: scanner recommendations In-Reply-To: <408056F4.9080701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040416160901.GA17133@butters.southtrak> <408056F4.9080701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1082168717.1683.5.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 17:58, James Knott wrote: > Noah John Gellner wrote: > > I have decided to buy a scanner. Its main use will be for copying > > documents and faxing. However, I would like the have the potential to do > > some imaging work. > > > > Does anyone have recommendations for a scanner which will work well with > > linux, is under $100, and works well? > > On Boxing day, I bought an Epson Perfection 1260 Photo Scanner for $80, > which works well with Linux. It even works with Windows! ;-) I also highly recommend Epson's scanners. I have an Epson Perfection 610 from a little while ago which I bought for < $100 and it has worked perfectly with xsane from day one. This was not the case with the UMAX SCSI scanner I used to own, which worked half the time and once failed outright, necessitating a complete replacement (it was still under warranty but nevertheless it was inconvenient.) - Julian -- -- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc. -- Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. -- Phone: (416) 669-3073 PGP Key: 0x2B9F9D3E -- OpenTrend: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 02:26:47 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn - Lists) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:26:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 11:44, Tim Writer wrote: > Don't get me started on Nautilus. For me, the introductio of Nautilus was > the beginning of the end for GNOME. With Nautilus, the GNOME project strayed > so far away from the Unix philosophy, esp. the idea that programs should do > one thing well, you'd think Microsoft was running the project! Try > describing Nautilus in one brief, understandable sentence. Here's mine: > > Nautilus: the all singing, all dancing, swiss army chainsaw that eats > memory for lunch and serves no useful purpose whatsoever. Hold on a moment -- doesn't that describe Emacs? (/me runs away) - Julian -- -- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc. -- Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. -- Phone: (416) 669-3073 PGP Key: 0x2B9F9D3E -- OpenTrend: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 04:48:37 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 23:48:37 -0500 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404162154.07504.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404162348.37125.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Hi Fraser, Friend of mine lives in Georgetown as well, I take you're happy with istop. Cheers, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 12:32:12 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:32:12 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404162348.37125.ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200404162348.37125.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Message-ID: <200404170832.12304.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 17 April 2004 00:48, Peter Pieczora wrote: > Friend of mine lives in Georgetown as well, I take you're happy with istop. Definitely. I have a static IP and 3MB service for a total of $36.33/month (including taxes). Had I forked out the $50 setup fee (for static ip) then my total monthly bill would be just a shade over $32. Cheap is my primary reason for using istop (I am Scottish ;-) Ability to run servers is a close second. Also important is that they don't treat you like an idiot when you call for support. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 12:39:42 2004 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (bob findlay) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file Message-ID: <20040417123611.419B8B47A4@outbox.allstream.net> I'm trying to extract some relevant text from a PDF file in a semi automated fashion. I've stumbled across the pdftotext utility on my Red Hat box. When I run it fails saying that "copying text from this document is not allowed". If I run pdfinfo on the file I see that encryption is enabled. Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 12:48:37 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:48:37 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <20040417123611.419B8B47A4-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417123611.419B8B47A4@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: <408127A5.1060005@rogers.com> bob findlay wrote: > I'm trying to extract some relevant text from a PDF file in a semi automated > fashion. > > I've stumbled across the pdftotext utility on my Red Hat box. > > When I run it fails saying that > > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > > If I run pdfinfo on the file I see that encryption is enabled. > > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? Later versions of Kword will import pdf files. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 13:54:15 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:54:15 -0400 Subject: hosting suggestions In-Reply-To: <1082139379.2685.18.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <1082139379.2685.18.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <40813707.6090609@sympatico.ca> Austin Acton wrote: > Hey this is almost off-topic, but can someone recommend a web hosting > company to me. I don't do anything too demanding, but I'm happy with * canaca.ca (in Mississauga) * 1and1.com (cheap) I'm told that canaca.ca used to be useless, but they've been okay by me, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 15:33:28 2004 From: mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Marcel (Free Thinker at Large) Gagne) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:33:28 -0400 Subject: Real World Linux Message-ID: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> Hello everyone, Real World Linux wrapped up on Thursday of last week. I did presentations and/or tutorials on all three days, but on day 2 (last Wednesday, April 14th), I managed to snap a few pictures on and around the show floor. This second installment of RWL was twice the size of last year and had a huge number of attendees in comparison. For a feel of what it was like, check out yon URL. http://www.marcelgagne.com/photos/rwl2004d2/index.html You might even spot a couple of TLUG member faces hiding out in the crowd. Enjoy! And take care out there. -- Marcel (Writer and Free Thinker at Large) Gagn? Note: This massagee wos nat speel or gramer-checkered. Mandatory home page reference - http://www.marcelgagne.com/ Author : "Moving to Linux: Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye!" Also by Marcel : Linux System Administration, A User's Guide Join the WFTL-LUG : http://www.salmar.com/marcel/wftllugform.html -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 15:47:13 2004 From: hgr-FjoMob2a1F7QT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Herb Richter) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: hosting suggestions In-Reply-To: <1082139379.2685.18.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <1082139379.2685.18.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Austin Acton wrote: > Hey this is almost off-topic, but can someone recommend a web hosting > company to me. I'm about to dump my *second* supplier because they > implied that they'd offer me ssh access to my account, but now won't. > > Required: > - ssh > - imap/smtp > - ftp > - httpd with perl/cgi > - 500 MB storage, 10 GB/mo transfer (or more) > - cheap (>$200 per year) > > Would be nice if it was a Canadian company too... > dotcanada.com has all of those things minus ssh access, and installing > typo3 over ftp is just about killing me! I'm happy with korax.net http://www.korax.net ...I think your requirements would cost about $60./mo ...they are located here in TO. -- Herb Richter Toronto, Ontario http://PartsAndService.com http://PartsAndService.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 16:27:54 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:27:54 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. In-Reply-To: <200404141136.02137.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <40815B0A.5080502@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sergey, I have some questions regarding the usage of your script: Is the content of the usb.usermap file supposed to be all on one line? Do I just create the usb.usermap file if it doesn't exist? Was this script written for the 2.4 or 2.6 kernels? Thanks. Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > /etc//hotplug/usb.usermap: > # usb module match_flags idVendor idProduct bcdDevice_lo > bcdDevice_hibDeviceClass bDeviceSubClass bDeviceProtocol bInterfaceClass > bInterfaceSubClass bInterfaceProtocol driver_info > storage 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x00 > 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x06 0x00 > 0x00000000 - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgVsVRreNkzrRRLQRArFhAJ9MYKzksKOa2FdNNFOtDyRHSwCPJACeIAOa dOyldBnWlcjaxqj5T5gryTk= =Ewrw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 16:42:08 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:42:08 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> Message-ID: <40815E60.1000504@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, Here are my 2 cents: Jing Su wrote: > I do miss the control-center package that KDE offers, but Gnome somewhat > makes up for it by providing a "Desktop Preferences" menu sub-tree that > basically has every customizable setting grouped in it. So in a sense, it > is like a control-center, just embedded into the menu. Ah yes, the GNOME menu. It is the one reason I will never use the GNOME environment. Until they come up with a nice menu editor such as the one KDE has, or until they put the menu configuration data into one easy-to-modify directory, I will not use it. Worst of all, GNOME groups all the Debian-generated menus into an ugly sub-tree at the BOTTOM of the menu, when those are the programs I want to use, NOT the GNOME ones. Oh, and their system tray applet does not support KDE system tray icons. I am sticking to XFCE4 (and sometimes KDE). On that note, does anyone know of any good GNOME menu editors? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgV5oRreNkzrRRLQRAsryAKCCRuxXAzdEhkY6nOy8k26aRTqvUwCfWhaW 4cBQgW7HluJnIicHlbpr5/o= =T6mb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 16:43:26 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <20040417123611.419B8B47A4-pwyU32sTfCqP7boJH+kiu+TW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417123611.419B8B47A4@outbox.allstream.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, bob findlay wrote: > I've stumbled across the pdftotext utility on my Red Hat box. > When I run it fails saying that > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? It's probably not as good, but try pdftops followed by ps2ascii. (The ps2ascii manpage also has a reference to a pstotext program, although it doesn't seem to exist on the Linux system I've got handy.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 17:00:22 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:00:22 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404170832.12304.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200404162348.37125.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404170832.12304.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408162A6.2060607@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, I have a somewhat related question/situation: I have been looking at switching to IStop myself, but what bothers me is that their website says my phone line can only run the 1.5Mbit service. I know this is true too, because my current provider, Wiznet (formerly DSL.ca) have upgraded their service to 3Mbit, but I still only get 1.5Mbits download speeds (although my uploads have went up to the advertised ~600Mbits). So here are my questions: - - What can be the reason for this? Distance? Line quality? - - Who should I call to find out the reason? - - Is there something I can do to get 3Mbit ADSL service, or should I start looking at alternatives? What good alternatives are there besides cable? - - If I am forced to use 1.5Mbit ADSL, is there a provider that will give a discount for not using the full 3Mbit service. I don't want to pay for bandwidth I am not getting. Thanks. Fraser Campbell wrote: > Definitely. I have a static IP and 3MB service for a total of $36.33/month > (including taxes). Had I forked out the $50 setup fee (for static ip) then > my total monthly bill would be just a shade over $32. > > Cheap is my primary reason for using istop (I am Scottish ;-) Ability to run > servers is a close second. Also important is that they don't treat you like > an idiot when you call for support. > - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgWKrRreNkzrRRLQRAqnQAJ90aYi5m7eoaL1Eu2prFLtWAWdM2gCfTSm0 n7v+3YA+B+GNoQfQldtbusA= =NYtp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 18:37:42 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:37:42 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <40815E60.1000504-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40815E60.1000504@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <40817976.2030101@sympatico.ca> Anton Markov wrote: > > On that note, does anyone know of any good GNOME menu editors? Right-clicking on an item doesn't bring up context sensitive editing for you? It does here. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 18:43:21 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:43:21 -0400 Subject: hosting suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40817AC9.70507@sympatico.ca> Herb Richter wrote: > > I'm happy with korax.net http://www.korax.net > ...I think your requirements would cost about $60./mo I hope that was a typo -- canaca does 10 GB storage / 40 GB bandwidth for $8/month. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 19:49:28 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:49:28 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? Message-ID: Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 19:28:13 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > ? I consider perl to be an imported module. ;) I do it in a simple shell script: echo "binary put file mput xx.*" | ftp -i hostname The username and password are in $HOME/.netrc. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 19:54:28 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:54:28 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? Message-ID: Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something else works better. Alex ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:18:10 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:18:10 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > > ? > > I consider perl to be an imported module. ;) > > I do it in a simple shell script: > > echo "binary > put file > mput xx.*" | ftp -i hostname > > The username and password are in $HOME/.netrc. Ok. I did not know that standard ftp can be automated like that. Now, that I'm reading the manual page to the end (as I should have a long time ago), I know. Thanks, Peter PS: Is there a Perl solution anyway ? I'd like to see how others program sockets after having done my own version. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:03:44 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:03:44 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? References: Message-ID: <000d01c424b7$17805d00$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> > Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word > type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something > else works better. As far as I know open office alows to export from word to pdf. I mean - it is supposed to but in certain less trivial cases it fails. But try it yourself. zb. > Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:03:48 2004 From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:03:48 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404171603.48775.glayng@sympatico.ca> I'm told that in the Writer in OpenOffice 1.1, there's a button for "Save as PDF". On April 17, 2004 03:54 pm, Alex Maynard wrote: > Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word > type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something > else works better. > > Alex > > > > > ------------ > Alex Maynard > Assistant Professor > Department of Economics > University of Toronto > 150 St. George St., N304 > Toronto ON M5S 3G7 > Canada > e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org > tel: (416) 978-4358 > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:03:08 2004 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:03:08 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:18:10PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > > > ? [snip good non-perl solution] > PS: Is there a Perl solution anyway ? I'd like to see how others program > sockets after having done my own version. They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:15:47 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:15:47 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040417201547.GA5059@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 03:28:13PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > > ? > > I consider perl to be an imported module. ;) > > I do it in a simple shell script: > > echo "binary > put file > mput xx.*" | ftp -i hostname > > The username and password are in $HOME/.netrc. OP may want to experiment how much "sleep" is needed between FTP commands. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:20:43 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:20:43 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4081919B.6020104@rogers.com> Alex Maynard wrote: > Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word > type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something > else works better. OpenOffice can read Word files and create PDF. Also, with KDE, you can print from any app to a PDF file. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:21:49 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:21:49 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: <200404171603.48775.glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171603.48775.glayng@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <408191DD.9060903@sympatico.ca> Gary Layng wrote: > I'm told that in the Writer in OpenOffice 1.1, there's a button for "Save as > PDF". Yes, there is, and you can also set up a "Print to PDF" option. Unless your distro doesn't use ghostscript for printing, there will also be a ps2pdf command to convert arbitrary PostScript to PDF. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:28:47 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:28:47 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <40817976.2030101-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <40815E60.1000504@truxtar.com> <40817976.2030101@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4081937F.30501@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Russell, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Anton Markov wrote: >> On that note, does anyone know of any good GNOME menu editors? > > Right-clicking on an item doesn't bring up context sensitive editing for > you? It does here. Yes, yes it does, but that is not what I am looking for (unless I just don't know how to use it). I want to move and delete entire submenus, or move an item from one menu to another. I can't seem to do it with simple drag 'n' drop. Don't get me wrong, GNOME is a great environment, but they've gone too complex with the menu system. If anyone has any ideas how I can do this, I will appreciate them. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgZODRreNkzrRRLQRAn2rAJwK1zDC5OWOPuQ8b2cfDRr24sH6oACgnSn/ V3KWRtOBD/Qd954TydvNtrk= =iPc4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:46:33 2004 From: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org (Alex Maynard) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:46:33 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: <408191DD.9060903-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <408191DD.9060903@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: Thank you all! That worked well. I'm sorry. I didn't realize it would be that easy. I should have looked around a bit more before bothering you all. Alex On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Gary Layng wrote: > > I'm told that in the Writer in OpenOffice 1.1, there's a button for "Save as > > PDF". > > Yes, there is, and you can also set up a "Print to PDF" option. > > Unless your distro doesn't use ghostscript for printing, there will also > be a ps2pdf command to convert arbitrary PostScript to PDF. > > Stewart > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > ------------ Alex Maynard Assistant Professor Department of Economics University of Toronto 150 St. George St., N304 Toronto ON M5S 3G7 Canada e-mail: amaynard-vQ8rsROW2HJSpjfjxSPG1fd9D2ou9A/h at public.gmane.org tel: (416) 978-4358 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:44:45 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:44:45 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040417200308.GA2880-Aco4KUUxZ1MCzWx7n4ubxQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> Message-ID: <20040417204445.GA1936@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:03:08PM -0400, Rick Delaney wrote: >> > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now >> > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if >> > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing >> PS: Is there a Perl solution anyway ? I'd like to see how others program >> sockets after having done my own version. > >They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. Not necessarily. See this: http://nerd.cx/get.php?code20030911 -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:44:28 2004 From: pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Patrick Allen) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:44:28 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4081972C.8040903@cogeco.ca> Alex Maynard wrote: > Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word > type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something > else works better. I just used Open Office 1.1 to open an '97 Word .doc file and convert it to a .pdf The New Times Roman font the original document was done in did not display very well in Oo. But it looked ok after the conversion to .pdf There were some changes made to page break locations. This might cause a problem with a larger document. Open Office has been accused of being too resource heavy by some. But if you're using a PIII (or better) with enough ram, you shouldn't have too much of a performance issue. P Allen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:48:19 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040417201547.GA5059-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417201547.GA5059@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 03:28:13PM -0400, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > > > ? > > > > I consider perl to be an imported module. ;) > > > > I do it in a simple shell script: > > > > echo "binary > > put file > > mput xx.*" | ftp -i hostname > > > > The username and password are in $HOME/.netrc. > > OP may want to experiment how much "sleep" is needed between FTP > commands. None is necessary. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 20:50:52 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:50:52 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <408162A6.2060607-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200404162348.37125.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404170832.12304.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <408162A6.2060607@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <408198AC.2040607@sympatico.ca> Anton Markov wrote: >Hi guys, > >I have a somewhat related question/situation: > >I have been looking at switching to IStop myself, but what bothers me is >that their website says my phone line can only run the 1.5Mbit service. >I know this is true too, because my current provider, Wiznet (formerly >DSL.ca) have upgraded their service to 3Mbit, but I still only get >1.5Mbits download speeds (although my uploads have went up to the >advertised ~600Mbits). > Wiznet may still have your serviced choked at 1.5Mbps, even though they made available the 3Mbps service. Did you call them, it could just be an admin error. Or it could be true. > >So here are my questions: > >- - What can be the reason for this? Distance? Line quality? > If true, then it's almost certainly distance. They wouldn't know about your line quality. >- - Who should I call to find out the reason? > You could call Wiznet or whatever ISP you intend to do business with. >- - Is there something I can do to get 3Mbit ADSL service, or should I >start looking at alternatives? What good alternatives are there besides >cable? > You want to make sure your ISP isn't choking your speeds. If not, only the rollout of newer technology will help you (VDSL on the way?), or something like cable. >- - If I am forced to use 1.5Mbit ADSL, is there a provider that will give >a discount for not using the full 3Mbit service. I don't want to pay for > bandwidth I am not getting. > Some ISPs, like Sympatico, have different prices for different services (but may be more expensive for each service ???). > >Thanks. > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 21:55:59 2004 From: ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:55:59 +0000 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: <200404121106.26225.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404120947.36547.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <200404121106.26225.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4081A7EF.70408@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Monday 12 April 2004 10:43, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > >>Well, my favourite story lately has been: >> >> http://news.com.com/2008-1082-5065859.html >> >>That's one guy that isn't running back to M$ anytime soon. > > > Great story, hadn't heard that one. > Yes, the story is good, but there is on wrong thing: "Windows 98 not being supported, NT not being supported, OS/2 not being supported--if you're a decision maker in the IT field, you need to be able to look at Linux as something that's going to continue to be supported." And he choosed RedHat, it was a fatal mistake! These guys discontinue support of their products much sooner, then M$ does! The worst thing is that many software manufacturers are RH oriented, so today in many cases one has to choose either expensive RH Enterprise or crude Fedore (I doubt that current version will be still supported in 2 years). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 17 22:11:42 2004 From: ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:11:42 +0000 Subject: Web hosting software - replacement for Ensim Message-ID: <4081AB9E.3050403@rogers.com> Hi, Does anybody have any experience with a good hosting software? I've used Ensim WebAppliance, but the current version is dropped, new one is released for RH Enterprise (unacceptable because of its price) / Fedora (unacceptable because of a short life of the current version). Ensim support told me that they aren't going to produce applilcations for Linux other than RH, so now I'm looking for something different. Regards, Ilya. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 03:30:34 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 17 Apr 2004 23:30:34 -0400 Subject: Open Office -> PDF and apostrophes In-Reply-To: <4081972C.8040903-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4081972C.8040903@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <1082259034.15190.19.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> I've found that PDF files created by Open Office seem to screw up the spacing for words that contain apostrophes. Original text: Here's my message Resultant PDF text: Here 'smy message Ideas anyone? -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 03:48:53 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:48:53 -0400 Subject: Web hosting software - replacement for Ensim In-Reply-To: <4081AB9E.3050403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4081AB9E.3050403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4081FAA5.9000909@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, What exactly do you need the software to do, that standard Linux tools can't do? I am sure that other TLUGers can suggest various separate tools to get what you want done, if you tell us what you are trying to do. For example, there are many great web servers available for Linux, Linux already has excellent user management, and web-based configuration tools exist to ease the task of having many users (usermin/webmin). Perhaps you won't get the same integration, but that's why they charge money for it (or is it free? their website is vague). Also, why can't you run the software on other distros? Is it because they don't provide the source code? I believe there are still ways of making binary-only programs work on other distros. However, I would be cautious of software developers who write software for a specific distribution of Linux. Ilya Palagin wrote: > Does anybody have any experience with a good hosting software? I've > used Ensim WebAppliance, but the current version is dropped, new one is > released for RH Enterprise (unacceptable because of its price) / Fedora > (unacceptable because of a short life of the current version). Ensim > support told me that they aren't going to produce applilcations for > Linux other than RH, so now I'm looking for something different. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgfqpRreNkzrRRLQRAvlfAKCPux3a1M270nm4iNFDkK3KQexlFQCghotv 6fxtX4zrClfzJUf9wHm7z1I= =FiAl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 03:50:07 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:50:07 -0600 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040417204445.GA1936-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> <20040417204445.GA1936@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040418035007.GC42191@idiom.novusordo.net> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:44:45PM -0400, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:03:08PM -0400, Rick Delaney wrote: > >> > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > >> > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > >> > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > >> PS: Is there a Perl solution anyway ? I'd like to see how others program > >> sockets after having done my own version. > > > >They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. > > Not necessarily. See this: http://nerd.cx/get.php?code20030911 Though then you have to know and use the actual FTP protocol directly, which is ugly. That example only auths, does a dir listing, and quits. You'd have to deal with how to read/write files over ftp to make it useful. Naturally if you feel like using perl instead of bash, you can do a simliar kind of thing: open FTP, "|ftp -i hostname"; print FTP < References: <4081A7EF.70408@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Ilya Palagin wrote: > "...Linux as something that's going to continue to be supported." And he > choosed RedHat, it was a fatal mistake! These guys discontinue support > of their products much sooner, then M$ does! Remember that with open-source software, support doesn't have to come from the original supplier. > The worst thing is that many software manufacturers are RH oriented... Yes, *that* is somewhat of a problem. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 00:46:35 2004 From: ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:46:35 +0000 Subject: Web hosting software - replacement for Ensim In-Reply-To: <4081FAA5.9000909-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4081AB9E.3050403@rogers.com> <4081FAA5.9000909@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <4081CFEB.20801@rogers.com> Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > What exactly do you need the software to do, that standard Linux tools > can't do? I am sure that other TLUGers can suggest various separate > tools to get what you want done, if you tell us what you are trying to do. I need a "control panel" for Linux tools, this what Ensim is. This software has a web-interface, it creates sites (clients) and assigns services for them, like web, mail, ssh access, shows statistics, etc. Personally I don't need it, usually I've had to do a "fine tuning" or repair sites, created by Ensim. But people who haven't learned (yet) Linux do need it. With it, you just give your client his own admin login and password, then he transfers/updates content for his site, installs SSL certificate, creates mail accounts, databases, shortly - does all basic administrating tasks having no idea about OS he's working with. > > For example, there are many great web servers available for Linux, Linux > already has excellent user management, and web-based configuration tools > exist to ease the task of having many users (usermin/webmin). Perhaps > you won't get the same integration, but that's why they charge money for > it (or is it free? their website is vague). They charge money for making unix-specific tasks like creating a chrooted website and mysql database accessible to unexperienced users. Webmin is good, but I need a web-hosting specific control panel. > > Also, why can't you run the software on other distros? Is it because > they don't provide the source code? I believe there are still ways of > making binary-only programs work on other distros. However, I would be > cautious of software developers who write software for a specific > distribution of Linux. They replace some packages, which come with the distributions, with their own builds, like PHP and Apache. Even if I install it on another distro, I won't be able to apply updates, because they are system-specific. Ensim doesn't provide source code and has many more disadvantages which make it just ugly, it's another reason for searching for another hosting application. Regards, Ilya. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 01:07:12 2004 From: ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:07:12 +0000 Subject: Toronto Star today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4081D4C0.5010300@rogers.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Ilya Palagin wrote: > >>"...Linux as something that's going to continue to be supported." And he >>choosed RedHat, it was a fatal mistake! These guys discontinue support >>of their products much sooner, then M$ does! > > > Remember that with open-source software, support doesn't have to come from > the original supplier. > Sure, one can provide support for "discontinued" products by himself, building updated packages for his system(s). But the only distribution this happy guy actually needs in this case is called LFS, and he doesn't care of RH, SuSE, etc. On my opinion, the conception of "discontinued support" comes from wrong approach to distro building. It is just not applicable for *right things* like Debian :-)! I heard (never tried), that it's practically possible to update it from the very first version to Woody by running of dpkg and apt-get with a minimal risk for crashing the whole system! That's the way to go. Regards, Ilya. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 05:20:28 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:20:28 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040418035007.GC42191-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> <20040417204445.GA1936@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20040418035007.GC42191@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040418052028.GA2955@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 09:50:07PM -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: >> >They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. >> >> Not necessarily. See this: http://nerd.cx/get.php?code20030911 > >Though then you have to know and use the actual FTP protocol directly, >which is ugly. That example only auths, does a dir listing, and quits. >You'd have to deal with how to read/write files over ftp to make it >useful. Yes, but that was why I called it a "proof-of-concept", rather than a fully-fledged Perl-based ftp program. If you want to interface with ftp servers, you'll have to deal with the ftp protocol, ugly or not. From what is there it is quite trivial to add the necessary lines to automate a given process. -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 06:34:46 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:34:46 -0400 Subject: Web hosting software - replacement for Ensim In-Reply-To: <4081FAA5.9000909-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <4081FAA5.9000909@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <010b01c4250f$46ee0e40$6401a8c0@main> > Ilya Palagin wrote: > > Does anybody have any experience with a good hosting software? I've > > used Ensim WebAppliance, but the current version is dropped, new one is > > released for RH Enterprise (unacceptable because of its price) / Fedora > > (unacceptable because of a short life of the current version). Ensim > > support told me that they aren't going to produce applilcations for > > Linux other than RH, so now I'm looking for something different. Ilya, I use PSA from Plesk and I love it, its really simple and easy to use. I have bought some add on modules from 4psa.com as well. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 12:00:05 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:00:05 -0400 Subject: Open Office -> PDF and apostrophes In-Reply-To: <1082259034.15190.19.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8=@public.gmane.org> References: <4081972C.8040903@cogeco.ca> <1082259034.15190.19.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <40826DC5.1090504@rogers.com> Alan Cohen wrote: > I've found that PDF files created by Open Office seem to screw up the > spacing for words that contain apostrophes. > > Original text: > Here's my message > > Resultant PDF text: > Here 'smy message > > Ideas anyone? Try the KDE Kprinter. It can print from any app to a PDF. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 12:10:45 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:10:45 -0400 Subject: Web hosting software - replacement for Ensim In-Reply-To: <4081AB9E.3050403-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA==@public.gmane.org> References: <4081AB9E.3050403@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404180810.45670.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 17 April 2004 18:11, Ilya Palagin wrote: > Does anybody have any experience with a good hosting software? I've > used Ensim WebAppliance, but the current version is dropped, new one is My experience is that clients only need control over their email, once their website has been setup nothing (in the setup) is likely to change. You clients may be different, dunno. What do you need? For the hosting that I do I have 2 scripts that I wrote; addwebdomain and addmaildomain. They ask a few simple questions and setup an apache config or a postfix email config as appropriate. My email configuration is (almost) entirely held within mysql so it is very easy to manipulate from alternative interfaces (other than root shell login). I wrote a user management interface for email in php and clients have complete control over email accounts, aliases and forwards within their domain. My setup is based on that described at http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html ... if you don't like mysql you could do something similar with mysql or ldap, you could also use pam modules instead of the application specific authentication modules. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 12:22:42 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:22:42 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <408162A6.2060607-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404170832.12304.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <408162A6.2060607@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404180822.42917.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 17 April 2004 13:00, Anton Markov wrote: > I have been looking at switching to IStop myself, but what bothers me is > that their website says my phone line can only run the 1.5Mbit service. > I know this is true too, because my current provider, Wiznet (formerly > DSL.ca) have upgraded their service to 3Mbit, but I still only get > 1.5Mbits download speeds (although my uploads have went up to the > advertised ~600Mbits). My understanding of DSL is that all customers are plugged into Bell DSLAMs regardless of who their ISP is (assuming basic residential service here). Your new ISP will only be able to provide you with the service level that is already in your area. 3MB upgrades were relatively recent, I know people that just got them within the past month. It's possible that your area just hasn't been upgraded yet. Do you have any access to your DSL modem? Some modems can tell you their connection speed, your speed limitation might be Wiznet (upstream) not the local loop. If the modem cannot tell you your speed then I would just ask istop they may have an idea of when your area will get 3MB or you may be able to approach Sympatico about it (under the guise of switching to their service). Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 13:26:14 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (Stewart C.Russell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 9:26:14 -0400 Subject: Open Office -> PDF and apostrophes Message-ID: <20040418132613.LKBR8320.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> It might be a font substitution thing; try it with a different font. Versions of GhostScript between about 6-7.04 had problems with apostrophes in particular. Try upgrading. Unless the KDE printer tool implements its own PDF library, I suspect it uses GhostScript too, and will likely have the same issues. Stewart (and I bet I'll get an out-of-office reply from at least one person ...) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 13:32:22 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (Stewart C.Russell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 9:32:22 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software Message-ID: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> As I'm pretty sure there are no native Linux tax programs, I tried ufile.ca last night. Its fancy JavaScript drop-down menus got all messed up under Mozilla 1.6, and Opera 7 wouldn't get passed its browser check. Curiously, Mozilla 1.5 on our eMac worked just fine (even if it did try to install the windows version of Acrobat Reader first). I filed both of our returns in about 90 minutes (total), for about $20. In the spirit of Evan's old "online banks that work with linux", has anyone had positive/negative experience with other tax filing programs/services? cheers, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 14:03:44 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:03:44 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta. bellnexxia.net> References: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta. bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: > In the spirit of Evan's old "online banks that work with linux", has anyone had positive/negative experience with other tax filing programs/services? I did mine using http://www.cutetax.ca. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 14:26:35 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (Stewart C.Russell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:26:35 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software Message-ID: <20040418142633.RJHG820.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Jing Su wrote: > > I did mine using http://www.cutetax.ca. Did it work well under Linux? It looks a fairly simple site, and is quite a bit cheaper that ufile. thanks, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rick-h4KjNK7Mzas= at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 14:27:14 2004 From: rick-h4KjNK7Mzas= at public.gmane.org (Rick Delaney) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:27:14 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040417204445.GA1936-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> <20040417204445.GA1936@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040418142714.GC2880@biff.bort.ca> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:44:45PM -0400, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:03:08PM -0400, Rick Delaney wrote: > >> > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > >> > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > >> > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > >> PS: Is there a Perl solution anyway ? I'd like to see how others program > >> sockets after having done my own version. > > > >They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. > > Not necessarily. See this: http://nerd.cx/get.php?code20030911 The very first line of code is use IO::Socket; which looks like an imported module to me. Of course you *can* do socket programming in Perl without using modules. The point is that you would have to be deranged (or be working in a very, very restrictive environment) to want to. Also, Net::FTP has been part of core perl since 5.8.0 at least. -- Rick Delaney rick-h4KjNK7Mzas=@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 15:40:17 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:40:17 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040418142714.GC2880-Aco4KUUxZ1MCzWx7n4ubxQ==@public.gmane.org> References: <20040417200308.GA2880@biff.bort.ca> <20040417204445.GA1936@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> <20040418142714.GC2880@biff.bort.ca> Message-ID: <20040418154017.GA1168@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:27:14AM -0400, Rick Delaney wrote: >> >They use modules, in this case Net::FTP. >> >> Not necessarily. See this: http://nerd.cx/get.php?code20030911 > >The very first line of code is > > use IO::Socket; > >which looks like an imported module to me. Of course you *can* do >socket programming in Perl without using modules. The point is that >you would have to be deranged (or be working in a very, very restrictive >environment) to want to. IO::Socket has been a core module for a *very* long time. Net::FTP uses IO::Socket to enact its networking implementation. >Also, Net::FTP has been part of core perl since 5.8.0 at least. Well then it's moot. I've apparently been hacking on Perl long enough to have encountered stock installs without Net::FTP. Who knew? -- yours, William -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 15:56:08 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:56:08 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <20040418142633.RJHG820.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net-GWWKLdnxQps/MCZexUuWkuTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040418142633.RJHG820.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: > Jing Su wrote: > > > > I did mine using http://www.cutetax.ca. > > Did it work well under Linux? > > It looks a fairly simple site, and is quite a bit cheaper that ufile. Yes it did. It's all web-driven, and I did it using Firefox browser (under Linux). That site is really for people that have simple tax setups. I'm a student so I have a really simple tax situation. The forms are all very simple, and use standard HTML. No overly complex javascript or anything like that. Clean, simple, and works (at least for me). It even gives you the option of producing a PDF proof, of all the CRA forms filled out so you can download it and proof-read what will get sent. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 16:14:26 2004 From: wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q== at public.gmane.org (John Wildberger) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:14:26 -0400 Subject: fstab Message-ID: <200404181214.26077.wildberger@cogeco.ca> In my fstab file I have several lines starting with "none'. Are these lines needed and what is the purpose? John -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 16:20:46 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:20:46 -0400 Subject: fstab In-Reply-To: <200404181214.26077.wildberger-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404181214.26077.wildberger@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: > In my fstab file I have several lines starting with "none'. Are these lines > needed and what is the purpose? Many of these are special devices for accessing the kernel or drivers... In mine I have: none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 16:18:03 2004 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:18:03 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net-GWWKLdnxQps/MCZexUuWkuTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>; from scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg==@public.gmane.org on Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 09:32:22 -0400 References: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <20040418161803.GA2751@localhost> On Sun Apr 18,2004 09:32:22 AM Stewart C. Russell wrote: > As I'm pretty sure there are no native Linux tax programs, I tried > ufile.ca last night. Its fancy JavaScript drop-down menus got all > messed up under Mozilla 1.6, and Opera 7 wouldn't get passed its > browser check. > > Curiously, Mozilla 1.5 on our eMac worked just fine (even if it did > try to install the windows version of Acrobat Reader first). I filed > both of our returns in about 90 minutes (total), for about $20. I tried ufile.ca online this year because they specifically said they support Linux with Mozilla. It worked fine for me with Mozilla 1.3 under Linux. I also did some of my return using I.E. under Win98 and also Netscape under Win2k without any major problems. There were some small problems with browser window sizes that were easily corrected by resizing or scrolling. I noticed some cases where they could have performed easy error checks and given warnings, but didn't. While experimenting, I was able to claim net capital losses greater than my net capital gains. Also, they happily accepted RRSP contributions well beyond my limit for the year, even though the limit had been asked for and given to them. Overall though, I was satisfied with ufile.ca and will probably use them again next year. On the other hand, I used taxwiz.ca previously for 2002 because they said they supported Netscape and I was hoping that Mozilla would be close enough. It turned out that Mozilla under Linux didn't work (after entering some data, clicking the button to accept the data didn't do anything, so you couldn't proceed) and the same thing happened with Netscape under Win98. Only I.E. would work. I continued with I.E. because I had been required to pay up front. Then, even with I.E., I couln't find a way to retain some of my RRSP contributions made in the first 60 days of 2003 for my 2003 return. I entered an online help form three times and got no reply, after waiting well over the recommended 2 days each time. I finally found a support e-mail address on their web pages and sent my problem to them using it. Within a few days I got a reply. They said the way I had to do it was download a one time use offline version for Windows (at no aditional charge), along with my data, and use it. This worked, but by then I ended up filing late. Fortunately, I was owed money so it wasn't a big problem. Although I used NetFile, I found that the printed PDF copy of the final return to be only a close approximation of the real goverment forms and some values spilled out of the boxes that they were in. This year's ufile.ca PDF output was pretty much identical to the real forms including all the graphics. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ=@public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:16:35 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:16:35 -0400 Subject: palm100 Message-ID: <4082D413.5090900@sympatico.ca> I am collecting and reposting ideas for a marriage of the m10x and the (serial) palm pilot. why ? 'cause it's brilliant and you might have missed the first time, that's why ! HARDWARE (a single passive device) The concept starts with a serial connector/ palm mounting bracket that has the palm perched securely above the m10x LCD. SOFTWARE (one .prc and a few alt-lcd machine language programs) -loader to send teeny to the palm -LapDos-like file transefer utility -ram"bank" image saving/ switching utility -palm keyboard mode, with f-key mappings for palm functions -peripheral hooks, allowing palm to monitor and use m10x ports -adrs.do and sched.do sync utility (to/from palm address/ todo) This combination would (IMHO) enhance both the palm and the trs-80 greatly. There are no giant technical hurdles, it should be a piece of cake ! what do you think ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:29:53 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:29:53 -0400 Subject: palm100 In-Reply-To: <4082D413.5090900-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg==@public.gmane.org> References: <4082D413.5090900@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4082D731.1020108@sympatico.ca> and I have no idea how I managed to dend this with the TLUG colours, but, whatever, it's still a good idea. djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:37:03 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:37:03 -0400 Subject: palm100 - wildly OT ! In-Reply-To: <4082D413.5090900-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg==@public.gmane.org> References: <4082D413.5090900@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4082D8DF.8030400@sympatico.ca> please ignore this wild mis-post, it was intended for the RadioShak trs-80 model100 list. I seem to have gotten my obsessions mixed up! unless you use a "trash80" ignore, ignore, ignore ! toodles! djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:10:29 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ== at public.gmane.org (GDHough) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:10:29 -0400 Subject: [OT strange UDP] Message-ID: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9@execulink.com> Greeting tlug, I try to avoid posting querries such as this to the list, but I can find nothing in the more appropriate places to look first (google, dshield, sans, etc) For a couple weeks or so I've been dropping loads of UDP packets to 11613 and recently 11609 also. Yesterday I noticed that some of these packets contain human readable data. Please have a look at these samples from the last twenty hours: Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 80.8.114.43 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 1163 (1163), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 35 Data (27 bytes) 0020 01 fa 04 8b 2d 5d 00 23 ef 39 e3 98 01 16 00 6a ....-].#.9.....j 0030 6f 68 6e 20 68 75 72 74 20 61 76 61 6c 6f 6e 20 ohn hurt avalon 0040 62 6c 75 65 73 blues Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 37 Data (29 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 25 45 ca e3 98 01 18 00 75 ...1-].%E......u 0030 70 72 69 67 68 74 20 63 69 74 69 7a 65 6e 73 20 pright citizens 0040 62 72 69 67 61 64 65 brigade Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 41 Data (33 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 29 69 7f e3 98 01 1c 00 72 ...1-].)i......r 0030 61 64 69 6f 68 65 61 64 20 2d 20 65 75 72 6f 63 adiohead - euroc 0040 6b 65 6e 6e 65 73 20 32 30 30 33 kennes 2003 Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 58 Data (50 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 3a ef 88 e3 98 01 2d 00 70 ...1-].:.....-.p 0030 61 75 6c 20 76 61 6e 20 64 79 6b 20 2d 20 74 68 aul van dyk - th 0040 65 20 70 6f 6c 69 74 69 63 73 20 6f 66 20 64 61 e politics of da 0050 6e 63 69 6e 67 20 2d 20 32 30 30 31 ncing - 2001 Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 46 Data (38 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 2e 89 63 e3 98 01 21 00 70 ...1-]...c...!.p 0030 61 75 6c 20 76 61 6e 20 64 79 6b 20 2d 20 6f 75 aul van dyk - ou 0040 74 20 74 68 65 72 65 20 61 6e 64 20 62 61 63 6b t there and back Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 81 Data (73 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 51 a9 63 e3 98 01 44 00 67 ...1-].Q.c...D.g 0030 72 61 6e 64 20 74 68 65 66 74 20 61 75 74 6f 20 rand theft auto 0040 76 69 63 65 20 63 69 74 79 20 62 6f 78 20 73 65 vice city box se 0050 74 20 28 65 61 63 20 6c 61 6d 65 20 6d 70 33 20 t (eac lame mp3 0060 2d 2d 61 6c 74 2d 70 72 65 73 65 74 20 73 74 2e --alt-preset st. 0070 72 61 72 rar Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 37 Data (29 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 25 f7 e4 e3 98 01 18 00 6c ...1-].%.......l 0030 65 64 7a 65 70 70 65 6c 69 6e 73 65 61 74 74 6c edzeppelinseattl 0040 65 37 37 64 76 64 73 e77dvds Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 67.84.128.193 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 32817 (32817), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 32 Data (24 bytes) 0020 01 fa 80 31 2d 5d 00 20 92 0a e3 98 01 13 00 61 ...1-]. .......a 0030 70 68 65 78 20 74 77 69 6e 20 2d 20 64 72 75 6b phex twin - druk 0040 71 73 qs Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 62.167.76.143 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 1026 (1026), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 28 Data (20 bytes) 0020 01 fa 04 02 2d 5d 00 1c a9 ba e3 98 01 0f 00 61 ....-].........a 0030 6c 69 63 79 6e 20 73 74 65 72 6c 69 6e 67 licyn sterling Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 80.132.163.130 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 36218 (36218), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 26 Data (18 bytes) 0020 01 fa 8d 7a 2d 5d 00 1a e2 6b e3 98 01 0d 00 32 ...z-]...k.....2 0030 34 20 32 2e 20 73 74 61 66 66 65 6c 4 2. staffel Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 80.132.163.130 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 36218 (36218), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 28 Data (20 bytes) 0020 01 fa 8d 7a 2d 5d 00 1c 10 82 e3 98 01 0f 00 70 ...z-].........p 0030 65 65 6b 20 6f 66 20 70 61 6e 64 6f 72 61 eek of pandora Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 62.43.99.84 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 1026 (1026), Dst Port: 11613 (11613) Length: 24 Data (16 bytes) 0020 01 fa 04 02 2d 5d 00 18 6e 6b e3 98 01 0b 00 70 ....-]..nk.....p 0030 61 63 6f 20 63 65 70 65 72 6f 02 30 aco cepero.0 These represent a small fraction of packets from numerous sources. Has anyone seen this before? Is it some new fangled p2p? Thanks, farmer6re9 -- Eating Crow is better with MyCrowSauce -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:21:52 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:21:52 -0400 Subject: [OT strange UDP] In-Reply-To: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9@execulink.com> Message-ID: <20040418192152.GA15853@butters.southtrak> Are you running any p2p apps? I have notices that many bittorrent and mule/donkey servers, for example, are configured to use non-default ports often to get arround ISP port blocking. I recognize a lot of the info from your datagrams as music related, mainly electronica. My sniffing package of choice is ettercap, which I find provides enough information for me to identify what is causing traffic. Perhaps it will work for you. Noah On 15:10 Sun 18 Apr , GDHough wrote: > These represent a small fraction of packets from numerous sources. > Has anyone seen this before? > Is it some new fangled p2p? -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 19:44:37 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:44:37 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net-GWWKLdnxQps/MCZexUuWkuTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Message-ID: <20040418194438.749D044D0@cbbrowne.com> > As I'm pretty sure there are no native Linux tax programs, I tried > ufile.ca l ast night. Its fancy JavaScript drop-down menus got all > messed up under Mozilla 1.6, and Opera 7 wouldn't get passed its > browser check. I'm reasonably certain that you're wrong. The second URL points to a package that supports 17 of the more vital tax forms... http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxcantax/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/prologtaxes/ http://cbbrowne.com/info/freetaxsoftware.html -- output = reverse("gro.mca" "@" "enworbbc") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html "High-level languages are a pretty good indicator that all else is seldom equal." - Tim Bradshaw, comp.lang.lisp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g== at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 20:03:37 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g== at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:03:37 -0400 Subject: PHP SafeMode Message-ID: <008901c42580$4095b090$6401a8c0@main> Hi All, I am getting this error Warning: open_basedir restriction in effect. File is in wrong directory in ... How can I disable php safe mode for one domain on my server? I am running RH 7.3. I think there is a vconf file or something that needs to be added? Thanks! Sidney -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 18 20:47:58 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:47:58 -0400 Subject: PHP SafeMode In-Reply-To: <008901c42580$4095b090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM=@public.gmane.org> References: <008901c42580$4095b090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200404181647.58762.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 18 April 2004 16:03, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > How can I disable php safe mode for one domain on my server? I am > running RH 7.3. I think there is a vconf file or something that needs to > be added? Pasting something similar to the following into your apache config might do the trick, otherwise not sure: php_value safe_mode 0 I would put it within the appropriate virtualhost config. Let us know how it works out. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 00:05:41 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg== at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:05:41 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <20040418194438.749D044D0-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w==@public.gmane.org> References: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> <20040418194438.749D044D0@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <408317D5.5080303@sympatico.ca> cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg=@public.gmane.org wrote: > > I'm reasonably certain that you're wrong. Great! I love being proved wrong about software availability. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxcantax/ no files, last activity more than three years ago. > http://sourceforge.net/projects/prologtaxes/ I know this is your project, and it obviously works for you, but there are no files there. > http://cbbrowne.com/info/freetaxsoftware.html You've clearly given this a lot of thought. Maybe I should qualify my statement: As I'm pretty sure there are no native Linux tax programs /that support NetFile and are ready for use by the general public/ I'd still love to be wrong. Stewart -- $,="\n";foreach(split('',"\3\3\3c>\0>c\177cc\0~c~``\0cc\177cc")) {$a++;$_=unpack('B8',$_);tr,01,\40#,;$b[$a%6].=$_};print @b,"\n" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 00:13:42 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:13:42 -0400 Subject: Linux tax software In-Reply-To: <408317D5.5080303-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg==@public.gmane.org> References: <20040418133225.QUJT3186.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> <20040418194438.749D044D0@cbbrowne.com> <408317D5.5080303@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040419001343.0F3B144D0@cbbrowne.com> > cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg=@public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > I'm reasonably certain that you're wrong. > > Great! I love being proved wrong about software availability. > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxcantax/ > > no files, last activity more than three years ago. > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/prologtaxes/ > > I know this is your project, and it obviously works for you, but there > are no files there. There are plenty in CVS... > > http://cbbrowne.com/info/freetaxsoftware.html > > You've clearly given this a lot of thought. Maybe I should qualify my > statement: > > As I'm pretty sure there are no native Linux tax programs > /that support NetFile and are ready for use by the general > public/ > > I'd still love to be wrong. The "that support NetFile" part is a pretty significant disqualifier. Not that I'm particularly interested in NetFiling, but that's another story... -- select 'cbbrowne' || '@' || 'cbbrowne.com'; http://cbbrowne.com/info/sap.html "The computer is the ultimate polluter: its feces are indistinguishable from the food it produces." -- Alan Perlis -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From GHunter-kgJIzn72htc= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 02:26:55 2004 From: GHunter-kgJIzn72htc= at public.gmane.org (Geoffrey Hunter) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:26:55 -0400 Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <200404171133.28216.mggagne-oUREY1nl/XXQT0dZR+AlfA==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> Message-ID: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> Hello: I'm trying to understand what a "package" (.tar) is, why applications are (usually) supplied as a package, and how/when the components of the package are loaded and executed when the application is active. If you know of a text that really explains this, giving me the URL (or other reference - say a book) would be the best way to answer this query. I guess that much Linux software is written in C, and I've noticed that C doesn't allow functions to be defined (nested) within other functions; MAIN and all the functions that it calls, and all the functions that they call, are at the same hierarchical level, with data/results being passed between them via parameters of the functions. I guess that this could be the explanation for why applications come as a package of C functions, even though only one (or a few) of the many functions that comprise the package are called (callable) by the user ? I need to know, because I'm in the middle of revising a paper extolling the virtues of nested, vs. non-nested, environments; I want to say something about C and Linux (and perhaps Micro$oft Windows), and of course I want what I say to be accurate. Geoffrey Hunter Chemistry Building Room 318 York University, 4700 Keele Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada M3J1P3 Office: 416-736-5306 Office Fax: 416-736-5936 Cell: 416-802-5146 email: GHunter-4mebg6r7xUY=@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 03:03:06 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg= at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20040419030307.F2B3844D0@cbbrowne.com> > Hello: I'm trying to understand what a "package" (.tar) is, why > applications are (usually) supplied as a package, and how/when the > components of the package are loaded and executed when the > application is active. If you know of a tex t that really explains > this, giving me the URL (or other reference - say a book ) would be > the best way to answer this query. ".tar" files are not generally 'packages;' they are merely bundles of files that have been assembled together. On Unix, the program 'tar' has long (for decades!) been used to assemble bundles of files together to stream onto some sort of serial output device, often a tape. Thus, 'tar' is short for 'tape archiver.' Throw in data compression (in GNU tar, the "-z" option) and this provides functionality relatively similar to PC "archive" utilities like pk-arc, lh-arc, and 'zip.' It might be a reasonable idea to use Zip instead of tar, but hey, there's 20-odd years of history of using tar. But none of this is really about "packages." The typical "packaging" systems are: a) For numerous derivatives and relatives of Red Hat's distributions, "rpm." RPM doesn't use tar at all; it uses gzip (which just does compression), and cpio (which is similar to tar, albeit functioning differently). b) For Debian and its derivatives, the tool "dpkg" is used for package management. It uses gzip for compression and "ar" (a _very_ basic archiver) which then stores tar files containing the files mahaged in the package. With both RPM and dpkg, they build package archives that contain the files required to run the application, along with files to configure it, along with metadata to describe what other packages a given package may depend on. You use rpm/dpkg to install a package; this leads to it checking dependancies, installing the various files, and storing the list of files in a "package database" so that you can track what all is installed, and even deinstall packages in a coherent manner. > I guess that much Linux software is written in C, and I've noticed > that C doesn't allow functions to be defined (nested) within other > functions; MAIN and all the functions that it calls, and all the > functions that they call, are at the same hierarchical level, with > data/results being passed between them via parameters of the > functions. I guess that this could be the explanation for why > applications come as a package of C functions, even though only one > (or a few) of the many functions that comprise the package are called > (callable) by the user ? It happens to be _convenient_ to deploy common libraries of functions as C libraries because they may be readily linked to just about any language you might care to use. > I need to know, because I'm in the middle of revising a paper > extolling the virtues of nested, vs. non-nested, environments; I want > to say something about C and Linux (and perhaps Micro$oft Windows), > and of course I want what I say to be accurate. Hierarchies of C functions are fairly much "flat" so you won't have much relevant material to work with. You can extoll the virtues of whatever you like; if you want to talk about "nested environments," C obviously won't be a case of this. You may need to look to languages like Smalltalk, Lisp, and the likes for examples of that. This doesn't really fit with the packaging systems without looking at things really rather obliquely... -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "acm.org") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/emacs.html I am not a number! I am a free man! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 00:42:54 2004 From: ilyapalagin-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org (Ilya Palagin) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 00:42:54 +0000 Subject: PHP SafeMode In-Reply-To: <200404181647.58762.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <008901c42580$4095b090$6401a8c0@main> <200404181647.58762.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4083208E.80408@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Sunday 18 April 2004 16:03, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > >>How can I disable php safe mode for one domain on my server? I am >>running RH 7.3. I think there is a vconf file or something that needs to >>be added? > > > Pasting something similar to the following into your apache config might do > the trick, otherwise not sure: > > php_value safe_mode 0 > > I would put it within the appropriate virtualhost config. Let us know how it > works out. > It didn't work for me in RH-7.3, php.ini files in virtual hosts were just ignored. But a "real" /etc/php.ini had done the job. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 10:18:31 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:18:31 -0400 Subject: PHP SafeMode In-Reply-To: <4083208E.80408-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA==@public.gmane.org> References: <008901c42580$4095b090$6401a8c0@main> <200404181647.58762.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <4083208E.80408@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404190618.31251.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 18 April 2004 20:42, Ilya Palagin wrote: > > Pasting something similar to the following into your apache config might > > do the trick, otherwise not sure: > > > > ? ? php_value safe_mode 0 > > > > I would put it within the appropriate virtualhost config. ?Let us know > > how it works out. > > It didn't work for me in RH-7.3, php.ini files in virtual hosts were > just ignored. But a "real" /etc/php.ini had done the job. It's not a php.ini file, it's setting an individual php value within a specific config section; which works fine. I do this all the time with things like: php_value mysql.default_user somedb php_value mysql.default_password somepass php_value mysql.default_host somehost Are you saying that overriding php safe_mode in specific hosts did not work or just that you've tried setting php values within the apache config and it did not work? If you cannot set php values within the apache config then something is very strange with php on Redhat 7.3. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 10:48:59 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA== at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:48:59 -0400 Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <4083AE9B.4030404@rogers.com> Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > Hello: > I'm trying to understand what a "package" (.tar) is, why applications > are (usually) supplied as a package, and how/when the components of the package > are loaded and executed when the application is active. If you know of a text > that really explains this, giving me the URL (or other reference - say a book) > would be the best way to answer this query. The purpose of a "package", is to keep all the files together, in a directory structure in one easily used place. It's used in the same manner as the ZIP files etc. Also tar was originally used with tapes (Tape ARchive). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 12:05:15 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ== at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:05:15 -0400 Subject: [OT strange UDP] In-Reply-To: <20040418192152.GA15853-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org>; from noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA==@public.gmane.org on Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 15:21:52 -0400 References: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040418192152.GA15853@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040419120514.GA2079@my-wing> On 04/18/2004 03:21:52 PM, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Are you running any p2p apps? I have notices that many bittorrent and > mule/donkey servers, for example, are configured to use non-default > ports often to get arround ISP port blocking. I recognize a lot of > the > info from your datagrams as music related, mainly electronica. > Actually NO, we share nothing and downloading of music/sick-twisted- games is strictly prohibited. The datagram that peaked my curiosity was the one that read "peek of pandora". After seeing that I looked at them all and found more questions than answers. I captured this one earlier this AM: Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 81.49.122.30 User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 2705 (2705), Dst Port: 11609 (11609) Data (69 bytes) 0030 f6 a6 81 29 25 b8 d6 23 00 5c 8f 40 80 8d aa 28 ...)%..#.\.-47IYjYMXMt4=@public.gmane.org ( 0040 2c 39 c6 9a 23 1e 7d ee 32 b2 1c a3 01 00 00 00 ,9.. #.}.2....... 0050 02 03 00 6c 6f 63 17 00 62 63 70 3a 2f 2f 31 39 ...loc.. bcp://19 0060 32 2e 31 36 38 2e 30 2e 32 3a 32 33 37 35 36 2.168.0.2:23756 This packet may provide an additional clue. What is bcp? First of all I do not use that address space anywhere in the network, someone is either guessing or these were intended to reach another machine. Secondly, lsof -i 4 and netstat -na on Lin Win respectively show no one is listening here. > My sniffing package of choice is ettercap, which I find provides > enough > information for me to identify what is causing traffic. Perhaps it > will > work for you. > I appreciate the suggestion but I'm quite comfortable with ethereal, or tcpdump on a noX box. I just thought maybe someone had a heads up on a new exploit or recognized this belonging to a certain app. As of yesterday noon, dshield.org had nothing in their database beyond April 09 for these destination ports (11609, 11613). I get the feeling (though I'm probably wrong) the ports are irrelavant and their target is the stack. Any ideas? > Noah > > On 15:10 Sun 18 Apr , GDHough wrote: > > > > These represent a small fraction of packets from numerous sources. > > Has anyone seen this before? > > Is it some new fangled p2p? > > -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 12:00:09 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q== at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:00:09 -0400 Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg==@public.gmane.org> References: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <1B0B2390-91F9-11D8-8014-00039310151E@axxent.ca> On Sunday, April 18, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > I guess that this could be the explanation > for why applications come as a package of C functions, even though > only one > (or a few) of the many functions that comprise the package are called > (callable) by the user ? It sounds to me as if you're mixing a number of unrelated concepts. 1) The use of packages has nothing to do with the source language of the packaged application. 2) If it's an application, the concept of a user calling any function is a bit of a stretch. (Running the program "calls" main and clicking a button probably "calls" some handler function, but in my experience even people who write the applications don't think that way except when debugging.) 3) Packages are distribution mechanisms and generally have no relevance for application execution. I'd also suggest clarifying what you mean by nesting. When you're talking about scope of function/variable definitions, there's one answer. If you consider the run-time functional hierarchy, however, a C stack trace is (little or) no different structurally from that of other languages. My point being, any "virtues" that your paper discusses should likely have nothing to do with using the application -- unless you're dealing with languages where running an application is hard to distinguish from developing it (e.g. Forth, Prolog...). For most uses of 'package', it's just a convenient way of accessing related files as a single entity. Until you wander into the Java world where the word package opens a whole other can of worms. :-) ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 13:21:28 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:21:28 -0400 Subject: [OT strange UDP] In-Reply-To: <20040419120514.GA2079-B5vlSFeRxX4=@public.gmane.org> References: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040418192152.GA15853@butters.southtrak> <20040419120514.GA2079@my-wing> Message-ID: <20040419092128.22b99618@localhost> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:05:15 -0400 Gregory D Hough wrote: > This packet may provide an additional clue. What is bcp? First of all I > do not use that address space anywhere in the network, someone is > either guessing or these were intended to reach another machine. bcp:// is a further suggestion that your machine is being used by someone for filesharing using the donkey protocol. Have a look at: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/mldonkey-users/2002-12/msg00426.html for a discussion of the use of bcp and donkey. Furthermore, after a donkey/mule session has been closed, there is a lot of network noise until all the other servers and clients finally realize that the session no longer exists. I don't know the technical details about this, but I am sure that the thread above will be able to provide the clues. If it is all possible that a user on your system is using something like amule, xmule, mldonkey, or perhaps other apps, this seems the most likely source of the weird traffic. Hope this is helpful. Noah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 14:16:56 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:16:56 -0400 Subject: oneliner bash question Message-ID: <200404191016.56815.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> i'm writing a script, that amon other things, gets the size of a file it's downloading and at the moment, i've got this working: ssh $host "du -sh "$path/$file | awk '{print $1}'" but the problem is that tihs prints out "12M\n" and i'd like to remove the "\n". i tried this: ssh $host "du -sh "$path/$file | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/\n//g'" but obviously my understanding of sed has a gap in it, 'cause this didn't work. suggestions/help would be very much appreciated. thanks. -- thanks be to god that gave me stubborness when i know i am right. - john adams -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 14:20:48 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg== at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:20:48 -0400 Subject: oneliner bash question In-Reply-To: <200404191016.56815.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA=@public.gmane.org> References: <200404191016.56815.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: > ssh $host "du -sh "$path/$file | awk '{print $1}'" > > but the problem is that tihs prints out "12M\n" and i'd like to remove the > "\n". i tried this: The "print" command in AWK is giving you the newline. try replacing the awk command with: awk '{printf("%s", $1)}' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 14:36:46 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: oneliner bash question In-Reply-To: References: <200404191016.56815.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404191036.46177.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 19, 2004 10:20 am, Jing Su wrote: > > ssh $host "du -sh "$path/$file | awk '{print $1}'" > > > > but the problem is that tihs prints out "12M\n" and i'd like to remove > > the "\n". i tried this: > > The "print" command in AWK is giving you the newline. try replacing the > awk command with: > > awk '{printf("%s", $1)}' thanks! it worked. -- ...he who in dealing with the empire loves his subjects as one should love one's body is the best person to whom one can commit the empire. - lau tzu, "tao te ching: chapter xiii" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 16:17:09 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 19 Apr 2004 12:17:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <1082168807.1681.7.camel-sd4rSCkhOeu0gumUbo5taVDdeaDYgqOw@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: "Julian C. Dunn - Lists" writes: > On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 11:44, Tim Writer wrote: > > > Don't get me started on Nautilus. For me, the introductio of Nautilus was > > the beginning of the end for GNOME. With Nautilus, the GNOME project strayed > > so far away from the Unix philosophy, esp. the idea that programs should do > > one thing well, you'd think Microsoft was running the project! Try > > describing Nautilus in one brief, understandable sentence. Here's mine: > > > > Nautilus: the all singing, all dancing, swiss army chainsaw that eats > > memory for lunch and serves no useful purpose whatsoever. > > Hold on a moment -- doesn't that describe Emacs? It used to with one important exception. Whatever else you may say about it, Emacs is a superb programmers' editor. What is Nautilus good for? There are a lot of funny acronyms for Emacs, one is: Eight megabytes and constantly swapping Of course, by today's standards, Emacs is a model of efficiency. I ran xemacs under a pre 1.0 Linux kernel on a 486/33 with 8MB RAM and I was happy. In contrast, the RedHat 8 installer wouldn't run to completion, even in text mode, on a PII 300 with 64MB RAM. When I finally did get the system up, the RH up2date icon in the task bar was consuming over 16MB RAM just to let me know there were no updates available! -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 16:35:43 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA== at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:35:43 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <20040419163543.GA7486@butters.southtrak> This mystery for me is why Redhat is such a popular commercial distribution. I remember having a look at Redhat when it was introduced and didn't like it then - I was a Slackware guy. Against my better judgment I continue to try their new releases and now the Fedora releases. I am always disappointed. Usually I am wooed by the relative ease of the installation, usually when I am temporarily frustrated with some problem with another distro. But after a few months the Redhat model drives me crazy and I jump ship. I am now counting the days before I de-Fedorize my computer. By way of contrast, I have been happily running Gentoo on my server for over year. So sweet. Yea, and I don't get Nautilus. gtk looks so nice but beyond that ... Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions and no offence is meant to anyone who has had other experiences with Redhat and Gnome. More power to you. No one can fault Linux for providing 101 tools for most jobs. Cheers, Noah On 12:17 Mon 19 Apr , Tim Writer wrote: > Of course, by today's standards, Emacs is a model of efficiency. I ran > xemacs under a pre 1.0 Linux kernel on a 486/33 with 8MB RAM and I was happy. > In contrast, the RedHat 8 installer wouldn't run to completion, even in text > mode, on a PII 300 with 64MB RAM. When I finally did get the system up, the > RH up2date icon in the task bar was consuming over 16MB RAM just to let me > know there were no updates available! -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 17:02:33 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw== at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:02:33 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <20040419163543.GA7486-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20040419163543.GA7486@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040419130233.3aca022d.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:35:43 -0400 Noah John Gellner wrote: > This mystery for me is why Redhat is such a popular commercial > distribution. Have you ever seen a show called 'Connections'? I don't know if it's still on or not, but I used to watch it back in the 90's. It was about the history of technology and how things we take for granted came into being. Tin cans, for example, came into being because a winemaker in France went bust during the Napoleonic wars. Redhat becoming a market leader is more or less the same thing - a series of coincidences at the right time. Nothing to do with merit or rational analysis - although it must be doing an adequate job for most of it's users or I'd assume they'd switch. Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw==@public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mark-/2gyfjYZF1k= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 17:51:18 2004 From: mark-/2gyfjYZF1k= at public.gmane.org (Mark Wadden) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:51:18 -0400 Subject: debian package management Message-ID: <40841196.3060502@gmi2.com> Hey all, Without sparking a religious war here, I'd like to know what people think of Debian's package upgrade process, compared to say Red Hat Network or SuSE's YaST/YOU. I've always been one to just reinstall for a major upgrade instead of attempting to merge versions (i.e. going from RH7.3 to 9.0) but hearing things like "You'll never have to reinstall again!" sounds promising. Question is, does it really hold up? Does it leave a mess behind? thanks for the feedback... -mark -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 17:58:37 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ== at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 19 Apr 2004 13:58:37 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: <20040419163543.GA7486-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20040419163543.GA7486@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: Noah John Gellner writes: > This mystery for me is why Redhat is such a popular commercial > distribution. > > I remember having a look at Redhat when it was introduced > and didn't like it then - I was a Slackware guy. Hmmm. I used to use Slackware before switching to RH. Now, Debian is my distro of choice. Interestingly, a couple of the reasons I switched from Slackware to RH are reasons I later switched to Debian, specifically: o superior packaging, and o availability of packaged software. Slackware may have improved (I'm sure it has) but, at the time ('94 or '95, around when Caldera released the Caldera Network Desktop based on RH), it's pure TGZ packaging was quite primitive, compared with RPM, and there were many more packages available for RH. I also preferred RH's SysV style initscripts to Slackware's BSD style. > Against my better judgment I continue to try their new releases and now the > Fedora releases. I've been ignoring Fedora. At some point, I'll probably have to try it out just to "stay current". > Yea, and I don't get Nautilus. gtk looks so nice but beyond that ... > > Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions and no offence is meant to > anyone who has had other experiences with Redhat and Gnome. More power > to you. No one can fault Linux for providing 101 tools for most jobs. Well said. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 17:07:41 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ== at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:07:41 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. In-Reply-To: <40815B0A.5080502-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> <40815B0A.5080502@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404191307.41388.skuznets@blueprint.org> Hi Anton, In file /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap suppose to be two lines: first line starts from: # usb second line starts from: storage As well you should check if /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug file have line /sbin/hotplug, and if not just put in your rc.local line: echo /sbin/hotplug > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug In my case it was /dev/null and only that line helped me to fix the issue. On April 17, 2004 12:27 pm, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Sergey, > > I have some questions regarding the usage of your script: > > Is the content of the usb.usermap file supposed to be all on one line? > Do I just create the usb.usermap file if it doesn't exist? > Was this script written for the 2.4 or 2.6 kernels? > > Thanks. > > Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: > > /etc//hotplug/usb.usermap: > > # usb module match_flags idVendor idProduct bcdDevice_lo > > bcdDevice_hibDeviceClass bDeviceSubClass bDeviceProtocol bInterfaceClass > > bInterfaceSubClass bInterfaceProtocol driver_info > > storage 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 > > 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x08 0x06 0x00 > > 0x00000000 > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAgVsVRreNkzrRRLQRArFhAJ9MYKzksKOa2FdNNFOtDyRHSwCPJACeIAOa > dOyldBnWlcjaxqj5T5gryTk= > =Ewrw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ== at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 17:09:19 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ== at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:09:19 -0400 Subject: My usb_storage script. In-Reply-To: <40815B0A.5080502-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ==@public.gmane.org> References: <200404141136.02137.skuznets@blueprint.org> <40815B0A.5080502@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404191309.19084.skuznets@blueprint.org> Hi Anton, On April 17, 2004 12:27 pm, Anton Markov wrote: > Do I just create the usb.usermap file if it doesn't exist? Yes. > Was this script written for the 2.4 or 2.6 kernels? It doesn't matter. The script will work on both of them. If you'll have any problems with script, give me a call. -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 18:25:55 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA= at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:25:55 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <20040419163543.GA7486@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040419182555.GA4517@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:58:37PM -0400, Tim Writer wrote: > Slackware may have improved (I'm sure it has) but, at the time ('94 or > '95, around when Caldera released the Caldera Network Desktop based on > RH), it's pure TGZ packaging was quite primitive, compared with RPM, Slackware is still .tgz. > and there were many more packages available for RH. I also preferred > RH's SysV style initscripts to Slackware's BSD style. At least for me, :-) - simplicity of .tgz packaging, - simplicity of BSD rc scripts, and - ability to install non-interactively using script are the main features of Slackware. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 19 22:57:29 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:57:29 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes In-Reply-To: References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> Tim Writer wrote: > > What is Nautilus good for? it handles removable media well. I find I use it a lot for shifting files around on my notebook, but I suspect I only use it 'cos it's there/ Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 01:24:53 2004 From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:24:53 -0400 Subject: [SOLVED-OT strange UDP] In-Reply-To: <20040419092128.22b99618-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>; from noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org on Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:21:28 -0400 References: <200404181510.29564.mr6re9@execulink.com> <20040418192152.GA15853@butters.southtrak> <20040419120514.GA2079@my-wing> <20040419092128.22b99618@localhost> Message-ID: <20040420012453.GA1916@my-wing> On 04/19/2004 09:21:28 AM, Noah John Gellner wrote: > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:05:15 -0400 > Gregory D Hough wrote: > > > This packet may provide an additional clue. What is bcp? First of > all I > > do not use that address space anywhere in the network, someone is > > either guessing or these were intended to reach another machine. > > bcp:// is a further suggestion that your machine is being used by > someone for filesharing using the donkey protocol. Have a look at: > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/mldonkey-users/2002-12/msg00426.html > for a discussion of the use of bcp and donkey. > > Furthermore, after a donkey/mule session has been closed, there is a > lot of network noise until all the other servers and clients finally > realize that the session no longer exists. I don't know the technical > details about this, but I am sure that the thread above will be able > to provide the clues. > > If it is all possible that a user on your system is using something > like amule, xmule, mldonkey, or perhaps other apps, this seems the > most likely source of the weird traffic. > > Hope this is helpful. > It most certainly was! Thanks for the heads up. I must've brought this on myself being a bit overzealous with the Patch-O-Matic kernel and iptables. I suspect my use of -j TARPIT on all those DPT=6129 SYN packets made it look like I had a donkey and now I feel like an ass... lol Thanks again, farmer6re9 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 01:22:15 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:22:15 -0400 Subject: debian package management In-Reply-To: <40841196.3060502-/2gyfjYZF1k@public.gmane.org> References: <40841196.3060502@gmi2.com> Message-ID: <40847B47.3030406@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, Not to sound rude, but may I recommend that you take a look at the TLUG archive. There have been several recent threads on this topic that you may find interesting. The address is: Does anyone remember the specific thread? Generally, most people find the Debian upgrade system works for them, especially if using the "stable" branch. Mark Wadden wrote: > Without sparking a religious war here, I'd like to know what people > think of Debian's package upgrade process, compared to say Red Hat > Network or SuSE's YaST/YOU. > > I've always been one to just reinstall for a major upgrade instead of > attempting to merge versions (i.e. going from RH7.3 to 9.0) but hearing > things like "You'll never have to reinstall again!" sounds promising. > Question is, does it really hold up? Does it leave a mess behind? - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAhHtLRreNkzrRRLQRAofOAJwMhpxOV6JA6Uqo7YzrW377H+/jRgCeNFhw RIEwntcUdU6QYaQz36YgKMA= =bUd+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 01:25:59 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:25:59 -0400 Subject: debian package management In-Reply-To: <40841196.3060502-/2gyfjYZF1k@public.gmane.org> References: <40841196.3060502@gmi2.com> Message-ID: <200404192125.59549.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 19 April 2004 13:51, Mark Wadden wrote: > Without sparking a religious war here, I'd like to know what people > think of Debian's package upgrade process, compared to say Red Hat > Network or SuSE's YaST/YOU. I've been a fairly long time so my opinion is very biased and I don't have much (or favourable) experience with other distros, you have been warned. At my current employer (hi guys ;-) they were staunch redhat users for the past 3 years when I arrived it felt like going from a 911 to a Pinto, thankfully they now use Debian _everywhere_ given a choice. My first Debian install was an all-in-one jobbie that ran an entire ISP. This was sometime in 1997 (or perhaps early 1998). It was a web server, mail server, ftp server, radius server and (probably) a few other things that I'd rather forget. When it came time to upgrade from Debian 2.0 (hamm) the procedure (from my short memory) was to download and run a shell script. The shell script took care of a few things including preparing the system to run apt. With apt installed it was then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". I upgraded this machine in the middle of the afternoon while the ISP continued to go about it's business. There were probably about 70 people dialed into the ISP (and using pop, smtp, radius, web, etc.) at the time that I upgraded the one and only server The upgrade didn't take very long and each service was only unavailable for brief periods as packages were upgraded and services restarted. > I've always been one to just reinstall for a major upgrade instead of > attempting to merge versions (i.e. going from RH7.3 to 9.0) but hearing > things like "You'll never have to reinstall again!" sounds promising. The only reinstall I recall enjoying was when I repeatedly installed slackware on the first Pentium I ever got my hands on ... I remember laughing giddly at how fast the packages zipped from cdrom to hard drive ;-) I rarely reinstall these days. > Question is, does it really hold up? Does it leave a mess behind? In my experience it holds up. In my experience it leaves no mess. Would I be as reckless with an upgrade these days as with the hamm->slink upgrade I described before, _definitely_ not! When I upgrade a critical machine these days I would ensure that I had a fully tested upgrades on a spare machine first and that I was fully aware of changes that occurred in critical server software to be ready for config changes as appropriate. I would do the upgrades during off-peak or zero-use periods, I would be very careful that I had a fully verified and completely up-to-date backup, I would even consider a reinstall in some circumstances ;-) Debian packages ensure that the upgrades are smooth processes. If a package upgrade is not likely to be smooth or might not be desirable then multiple packages are often provided (xfree 3.x & 4.x, kernel 2.2 & 2.4 & 2.6, bind 8 & bind 9, apache 1.3 & 2.x, multiple library versions, etc.). What I detest about redhat is that they give you little flexibility ... kernel will be 2.4 or 2.6 only, apache will be 2.x only, mta will be sendmail (perhaps they've finally heard of postfix now), bind will be 9.x, perl will be 5.8, python will be 2.3. Upgrades sometimes like to leave you with crippled configs (.rpmsave, .rpmorig, .rpmwhatever). I could go on but I'd better stop ;-) Suse I won't comment on since I've never used it, some people seem to think that I should try it now that Novell owns it but I just don't see the point ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 01:53:11 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:53:11 -0400 Subject: Redhat installation source change Message-ID: <40848287.90306@rogers.com> Is it just me, or is Redhat a terrible fuckin' distro? How the hell do I change my installation source settings... I installed of a boot cd but now want to add packages with an ftp source. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 02:31:58 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:31:58 -0400 Subject: Redhat installation source change In-Reply-To: <40848287.90306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40848287.90306@rogers.com> Message-ID: > Is it just me, or is Redhat a terrible fuckin' distro? How the hell do I > change my installation source settings... I installed of a boot cd but > now want to add packages with an ftp source. Well, personally I like to download the package file first before installing it, just to make sure it's fully available and not corrupted. You can easily get files from FTP through ncftp or wget. ncftp is a very nice client that supports wildcards. However, you can do (as described in 'man rpm') rpm -Uvh ftp://USER:PASSWORD-0+c7FTDAQ9w at public.gmane.org:PORT/path/to/package.rpm the common syntax for installing an RPM file is: rpm -Uvh [packagefile] -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 02:49:39 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:49:39 -0400 Subject: Redhat installation source change In-Reply-To: References: <40848287.90306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040419224939.4c39d123.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:31:58 -0400 Jing Su wrote: > > Is it just me, or is Redhat a terrible fuckin' distro? How the hell do I > > change my installation source settings... I installed of a boot cd but > > now want to add packages with an ftp source. > > Well, personally I like to download the package file first before > installing it, just to make sure it's fully available and not corrupted. > You can easily get files from FTP through ncftp or wget. ncftp is a very > nice client that supports wildcards. > > However, you can do (as described in 'man rpm') > rpm -Uvh ftp://USER:PASSWORD-0+c7FTDAQ9w at public.gmane.org:PORT/path/to/package.rpm You can also install apt or yum for RH, links to articles at http://www.memeshadow.net/multi/html/index.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=Auto-update Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From bchaffin-//MPyowsN0+FX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 03:56:57 2004 From: bchaffin-//MPyowsN0+FX2APIN6yfw at public.gmane.org (Brice Chaffin) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:56:57 -0500 Subject: Redhat installation source change Message-ID: <20040420035657.D56B823307@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 04:18:26 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:18:26 -0400 Subject: Redhat installation source change In-Reply-To: <20040420035657.D56B823307-r4CNFJJlFUuvA6A9f8tRrlozv+8wp+n8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420035657.D56B823307@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1082434706.4084a49249d80@mymail.yorku.ca> Quoting Brice Chaffin : > Well, I looked for that answer in a Red Hat installation handbook. Could'nt > find it. Sorry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Byron Sonne > > Is it just me, or is Redhat a terrible fuckin' distro? How the hell do I > > change my installation source settings... I installed of a boot cd but > > now want to add packages with an ftp source. The easy answer is: use Mandrake or Debian instead. Unfortunately for the linux community, the huge popularity of RedHat (and consequently the ubiquity of RPM) has tainted the concept of linux package management with hellish tales of "dependency hell", lack of control, difficult upgrades, and limited choices of package media/repositories. Had RedHat done a better job in the first place, urpmi/apt/yum et al would not have been so necessary. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 12:49:42 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:49:42 -0400 Subject: debian package management In-Reply-To: <40841196.3060502-/2gyfjYZF1k@public.gmane.org> References: <40841196.3060502@gmi2.com> Message-ID: <200404200849.43280.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 19, 2004 01:51 pm, Mark Wadden wrote: > Hey all, > > Without sparking a religious war here, I'd like to know what people > think of Debian's package upgrade process, compared to say Red Hat > Network or SuSE's YaST/YOU. > > I've always been one to just reinstall for a major upgrade instead of > attempting to merge versions (i.e. going from RH7.3 to 9.0) but hearing > things like "You'll never have to reinstall again!" sounds promising. > Question is, does it really hold up? Does it leave a mess behind? if you're interested, gentoo linux also has a great package-management system, sort of a cross between debian's apt-get and bsd's ports. very stable, no re-installs etc. and fun to play with. the packages are community maintained (as opposed to rpms, which are mostly run by the host company) and are very updated which makes things good for desktops especially (kde3.2.2 came out today and the ebuilds are available today) updates are as easy as "emerge sync && emerge --update world" and the last major update (v1.2 to v1.4) was a complete changeover from gcc3.2 to gcc3.3 -- a process handled by a simple howto and a few shell scripts. you had to reboot though once you recompiled your new kernel. -- there are no innocents. it is all of us together by action and inaction who made the world what it is. - mithras -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 13:22:51 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:22:51 -0400 Subject: istop In-Reply-To: <200404162154.07504.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404161411.08223.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <200404161840.39796.ppieczora@dsl.ca> <20040416231732.GA8607@butters.southtrak> <200404162154.07504.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040420132251.GA29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 09:54:07PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > In my case Sympatico stopped working and upon changing my username/password I > was immediately connected with istop. Then the next day Bell got around to > physically disconnecting me (dumb considering that they should have known I > was going to just need "plugging" back in. Anyway, I believe that I had 2 > days of downtime before being reconnected. I'm not sure if this is normal, I > did provide istop with my Sympatico cancellation number. Punishment for leaving Sympatico? :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 13:33:04 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:33:04 -0400 Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <1082341615.408338efb9fa7-2RFepEojUI0HvU8ER7tLtg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20040420133304.GB29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > I guess that much Linux software is written in C, and I've noticed that > C doesn't allow functions to be defined (nested) within other functions; MAIN > and all the functions that it calls, and all the functions that they call, are > at the same hierarchical level, with data/results being passed between them > via parameters of the functions. I guess that this could be the explanation > for why applications come as a package of C functions, even though only one > (or a few) of the many functions that comprise the package are called > (callable) by the user ? So what does this look like to you: #include #include int main() { int a,b; void callMe(int x) { printf("callMe called with %d\n",x); } a=4; b=6; callMe(9); printf("a is %d\n",a); callMe(10); printf("b is %d\n",b); callMe(1); return 0; } No nesting in C? Really? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 13:35:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:35:06 -0400 Subject: Equivalent of acrobat writer on linux? In-Reply-To: <4081972C.8040903-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4081972C.8040903@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <20040420133506.GC29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:44:28PM -0400, Patrick Allen wrote: > Alex Maynard wrote: > >Just wondered if anyone knows of an easy way to make pdf files out MS word > >type files on linux? I'm using abiword, but glad to switch if something > >else works better. > > I just used Open Office 1.1 to open an '97 Word .doc file and convert it > to a .pdf > > The New Times Roman font the original document was done in did not > display very well in Oo. But it looked ok after the conversion to .pdf > > There were some changes made to page break locations. This might cause > a problem with a larger document. > > Open Office has been accused of being too resource heavy by some. But > if you're using a PIII (or better) with enough ram, you shouldn't have > too much of a performance issue. I find OOo on Debian is actualyl rather well behaved, although they have put quite a bit of work into improving it's behaviour. The prelink option certainly improves load speed. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 13:41:39 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:41:39 -0400 Subject: debian package management In-Reply-To: <40841196.3060502-/2gyfjYZF1k@public.gmane.org> References: <40841196.3060502@gmi2.com> Message-ID: <20040420134139.GD29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 01:51:18PM -0400, Mark Wadden wrote: > Without sparking a religious war here, I'd like to know what people > think of Debian's package upgrade process, compared to say Red Hat > Network or SuSE's YaST/YOU. > > I've always been one to just reinstall for a major upgrade instead of > attempting to merge versions (i.e. going from RH7.3 to 9.0) but hearing > things like "You'll never have to reinstall again!" sounds promising. > Question is, does it really hold up? Does it leave a mess behind? I have never had to do a reinstall after switching to debian. Can't say that for all the versions of redhat I went through, and even then the upgrade was done by booting the installer and selecting upgrade, while debian's upgrade is done with the system live (some services may stop temporarily while being upgraded). To me there is no comparison. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 13:53:22 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:53:22 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:49:28PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > ? Why not use ncftpput from a shell or perl script? Seems simpler than trying to implement something that speks the dreadful ftp protocol. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 14:09:43 2004 From: lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Lance F. Squire) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:09:43 -0400 Subject: Killing spam Message-ID: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? Lance -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 14:48:31 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:48:31 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <40852F27.3030908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040420144831.GA3990@butters.southtrak> I use spamassassin and it seems to work well. It is pretty easy to set up too. You will want to personalize the filtering engine on SA so that it deletes what you consider spam. I 'delete' all spam into a spam directory. On the first 'training' I had around 1000 messages. Now I use cron to run the SA trainer nightly. So far the software works really well for me. There are many helpful Howtos online as well. Another package you might want to look at is Bogofilter. You can use it in combination with SA too if you want. Noah On 10:09 Tue 20 Apr , Lance F. Squire wrote: > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. > > I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? > > Lance > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 15:21:27 2004 From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: <20040420133304.GB29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> <20040420133304.GB29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > > C doesn't allow functions to be defined (nested) within other functions > So what does this look like to you: > > #include > int main() { > int a,b; > void callMe(int x) { > printf("callMe called with %d\n",x); > } > a=4; > b=6; > callMe(9); > printf("a is %d\n",a); > callMe(10); > printf("b is %d\n",b); > callMe(1); > return 0; > } > No nesting in C? Really? Perhaps Geoffrey was referring to ANSI-C. The GCC 3.3.3 manual has nested functions under Extensions; if you try to compile your program with the -ansi and -pedantic switches, it politely tells you "warning: ANSI C forbids nested functions". I also tried to compile your program with MSVC 5.0, which only got confused and reported a syntax error. http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.3.3/gcc/Nested-Functions.html I know I'm nitpicking, but I tend to be of a "if it's not in the spec it doesn't count" mindset. JV -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 15:40:35 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Understanding Packages In-Reply-To: <20040420133304.GB29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420133304.GB29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > int main() { > int a,b; > void callMe(int x) { > printf("callMe called with %d\n",x); > } > ... > } > > No nesting in C? Really? Really. You're making the common "all the world uses my compiler" mistake. Don't confuse the language accepted by GCC with C as defined by the standards -- GCC implements a number of non-standard extensions, this being one of them. Nested function definitions have never been part of the C language, and very few other compilers will accept them. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 16:12:31 2004 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:12:31 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes (Nautilus) In-Reply-To: <40845959.1090906-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <40854BEF.6050007@utoronto.ca> > Tim Writer wrote: > >> >> What is Nautilus good for? If you have a directory full of jpegs, Nautilus will render them as thumbprints. I believe the decision to use Nautilus will depend on how much memory you have. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 16:17:44 2004 From: aacton-B71PBEe7S7Y at public.gmane.org (Austin Acton) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:17:44 -0400 Subject: Nautilus Woes (and Greatness) In-Reply-To: <40854BEF.6050007-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> <40854BEF.6050007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <1082477863.2678.11.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 12:12, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > Tim Writer wrote: > >> What is Nautilus good for? > If you have a directory full of jpegs, Nautilus will render them as > thumbprints. Or as a photo gallery (if you have eog installed). And it will show thumbprints of movies (if you have gstreamer installed). And it will let you browse http/ftp/rsync/whatever inside the window (including smb/windows shares). And it will burn CD's in an extremely simple way (if you have the cd-burner extension installed). You can add notes and emblems to any file. You can track your file browsing history. You can view as icons, lists, or trees. It will also list several different applications for each mime type. Of course, a LOT of this has been skimmed off in gnome 2.6. The new behavior is almost exactly like Windows 98 (if you recall). They swear that it's "better" and that I'll "get used to it", but after only two weeks, I still want to scratch my eyes out every time I use it. Amazing how static our behaviour is. Austin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 16:57:26 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 20 Apr 2004 12:57:26 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <200404051215.25577.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1082480246.3777.30.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:15, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Whitelisting is a great solution. I "receive" 200-300 spams per day (perhaps > more, I've stopped tracking it) but for the past 2 months I have seen only a > single spam in my inbox thanks to TMDA (http://tmda.net/). Managing the > whitelist is automated you just have to be careful with list subscriptions > and other automated emails that you might receive. Fraser: I continue to be impressed with TMDA I've now added the web interface (tmda.cgi). It makes life even better (eg: with list subscriptions). I don't understand why more people on this list aren't using it. SPAM has dropped to zero. P.S. I have TMDA release/deliver its messages to an "unscanned" Maildir where CLAMAV anti-virus checks them and my own scripts move them into other Maildir folders -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Very low false-positive count. Also doesn't require you to install a new crontab. KMail does everything with its uber-powerful filters :) Cheers! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAhVded7EQcXYRh/oRAlHRAKDm8aNE3jV3R+IQ7U0XZSPiDiN00gCfWkK7 fdo/IqnWa6vdjCcY5lx58+8= =63hP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:06:33 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:06:33 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A177B@lynchmail.lynch.msft> I would love to use TMDA, but I have yet to convince everyone that it won't impact the business. They are concerned that requiring an extra step will bother too many people. Rats! Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Alan Cohen [mailto:alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:57 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Spam fighting tools - TMDA On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:15, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Whitelisting is a great solution. I "receive" 200-300 spams per day (perhaps > more, I've stopped tracking it) but for the past 2 months I have seen only a > single spam in my inbox thanks to TMDA (http://tmda.net/). Managing the > whitelist is automated you just have to be careful with list subscriptions > and other automated emails that you might receive. Fraser: I continue to be impressed with TMDA I've now added the web interface (tmda.cgi). It makes life even better (eg: with list subscriptions). I don't understand why more people on this list aren't using it. SPAM has dropped to zero. P.S. I have TMDA release/deliver its messages to an "unscanned" Maildir where CLAMAV anti-virus checks them and my own scripts move them into other Maildir folders -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:11:36 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:11:36 -0600 Subject: Fedora Woes (Nautilus) In-Reply-To: <40854BEF.6050007-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> <40854BEF.6050007@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <20040420171136.GA46255@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:12:31PM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > > If you have a directory full of jpegs, Nautilus will render them as > thumbprints. That's a "thumbnail" to the rest of the world. ;) As opposed to a cryptographic key "fingerprint", y'know. -- taa The Internet is a global network exchanging digitized data in such a way that any computer, anywhere, that is equipped with a device called a "modem" can make a noise like a duck choking on a kazoo. - Dave Barry /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:14:55 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:14:55 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <1082480246.3777.30.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1082480246.3777.30.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: <200404201314.55782.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 20 April 2004 12:57, Alan Cohen wrote: > I don't understand why more people on this list aren't using it. > SPAM has dropped to zero. Well perhaps they just haven't given it an honest try. I first gave it a fling 2 years ago but never followed through to completion, it's just this year that I put the effort into setting it up properly. > P.S. I have TMDA release/deliver its messages to an "unscanned" Maildir > where CLAMAV anti-virus checks them and my own scripts move them into > other Maildir folders Doesn't that mean that you're sending confirmation messages for the viruses? I filter for viruses first in my .procmailrc to avoid that. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:25:52 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:25:52 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - Maia In-Reply-To: <200404201314.55782.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1082480246.3777.30.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <200404201314.55782.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040420132552.55b841b8.rob@cheapersafer.com> http://www.renaissoft.com/projects/maia/ I've had this recommended to me - anyone had any experience? Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:45:14 2004 From: alan-QVObF66B6qeOg/Yh5kgvkFaTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Alan Cohen) Date: 20 Apr 2004 13:45:14 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <200404201314.55782.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404051215.25577.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <1082480246.3777.30.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> <200404201314.55782.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <1082483114.5042.11.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 13:14, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 20 April 2004 12:57, Alan Cohen wrote: > > P.S. I have TMDA release/deliver its messages to an "unscanned" Maildir > > where CLAMAV anti-virus checks them and my own scripts move them into > > other Maildir folders On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 13:14, Fraser Campbell wrote > Doesn't that mean that you're sending confirmation messages for the viruses? > I filter for viruses first in my .procmailrc to avoid that. Yes, I suppose that's true. hmmm... I tell the innocent recipient that I detected a virus in his inbox. I suppose I'm also telling the oft-times innocent sender what he just did. -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It shouldn't be necessary to put a lock on your front door either. -- Sincerely, Alan Cohen alan-bdq14YP6qtTV+N59fa8YiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org voice: 416-783-9826 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 18:11:06 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <1082483114.5042.11.camel-WYle8UNbkfMGClDRh0WFwpAGcjtitEbrAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org> References: <1082483114.5042.11.camel@tsx3.computeradvocacy.com> Message-ID: On 20 Apr 2004, Alan Cohen wrote: > I tell the innocent recipient that I detected a virus in his inbox. > I suppose I'm also telling the oft-times innocent sender what he just > did. No, you're telling a completely uninvolved third party -- whose name was *forged* as the sender -- something he has absolutely no interest in hearing. Thus contributing to the clutter. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 18:33:10 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:33:10 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA References: Message-ID: <002201c42705$ee879840$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> From: "Henry Spencer" > On 20 Apr 2004, Alan Cohen wrote: > > I tell the innocent recipient that I detected a virus in his inbox. > > I suppose I'm also telling the oft-times innocent sender what he just > > did. > > No, you're telling a completely uninvolved third party -- whose name was > *forged* as the sender -- something he has absolutely no interest in > hearing. Thus contributing to the clutter. Exactly. Still there are so many admins around who do not know that... And even worser - some send back entire virus to forged e-mail address, contributing to distribution of viruses to innocent people... Thats why these various anti-spam tools shold be able to distinguish between spam and viruses. In case of at least most of viruses there should be no response while in case of ordinary spam - possibly a response could be send (possibly only, since in these cases "From" is forget often as well). zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 18:44:54 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:44:54 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <002201c42705$ee879840$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <002201c42705$ee879840$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <200404201444.54521.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 20 April 2004 14:33, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > Thats why these various anti-spam tools shold be able to distinguish > between spam and viruses. In case of at least most of viruses there should > be no response while in case of ordinary spam - possibly a response could > be send (possibly only, since in these cases "From" is forget often as > well). Definitely this is a very important point. There's nothing more annoying than brain dead virus scanners that claim you sent a virus, spam tools need those smarts as well. I filter out viruses before invoking tmda so that is not an issue for me. As for sending out confirmation requests in response to spam I don't think forging is as big a problem as it's made out to be. I've probably sent around 10,000 confirmations out since I started using TMDA and I haven't received a single complaint. I don't think joe-jobbing is that common. If joe-jobbing becomes common then TMDA will have a problem. Right now here are the oldest 12 sender addresses from my TMDA queue: gatewsm-CmkmPbn3yAE at public.gmane.org VUWFXSCJ-uAjRD0nVeow at public.gmane.org qep4fjj-xNqYQefT3flZroRs9YW3xA at public.gmane.org nhuqb-pwzc5pxyuMTQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Maillist6-KDQ+jmlQ3inR7s880joybQ at public.gmane.org rachaelvanwagenen-hNvUgg5JYwQ6GGFevw1D/A at public.gmane.org Isabella-qwrLpM8gnlLIrURfT66hzQ at public.gmane.org uysxrtvfv-zkJH4PR2EqW8rjiVs5Nzzw at public.gmane.org YYDPYYJRX-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org asxgf-mFe5D6lgLcsfQhBXOYzAIA at public.gmane.org qtx9umap-JWnk4yrJws3k1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org lcrekvp-c1jrFrVrlIA+Va1GwOuvDg at public.gmane.org I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of those addresses is a legitimate email address that was joe-jobbed. I spent quite a lot of time when I first setup TMDA looking at the email addresses that were sending spam, rarely do I see an address that might be legitimate (granted I am guessing). Since I've received no complains I choose to believe that (at this point in time) joe-jobbing is a non-issue. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 17:28:17 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:28:17 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040420135322.GE29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:49:28PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Hi, I wrote a small ftp upload script in tcl (without using expect). Now > > I'm looking for a perl equivalent. The script should be small and if > > possible implemented natively (no imported modules). Is there such a thing > > ? > > Why not use ncftpput from a shell or perl script? Seems simpler than > trying to implement something that speks the dreadful ftp protocol. The tclsh program I wrote already speaks the 'dreadful ftp protocol', which btw, imho, is less dreadful than other abominations, such as smtp and pop3, and the point is of course to learn how it's done properly. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 19:42:43 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:42:43 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:17PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > The tclsh program I wrote already speaks the 'dreadful ftp protocol', > which btw, imho, is less dreadful than other abominations, such as smtp > and pop3, and the point is of course to learn how it's done properly. SMTP uses a single port, speaks plain simple language that I can do over telnet. Even pop3 I can do manually via telnet if I want to (sometimes I do). ftp has active and passive mode, binary and ascii, multiple ports, and other mess. What a hassle. Bad protocol design. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 19:44:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:44:06 -0400 Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: References: <200404171133.28216.mggagne@salmar.com> <1082341615.408338efb9fa7@webmail.yorku.ca> <20040420133304.GB29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040420194406.GG29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:21:27AM -0400, John Vetterli wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Geoffrey Hunter wrote: > > > C doesn't allow functions to be defined (nested) within other functions > > So what does this look like to you: > > > > #include > > int main() { > > int a,b; > > void callMe(int x) { > > printf("callMe called with %d\n",x); > > } > > a=4; > > b=6; > > callMe(9); > > printf("a is %d\n",a); > > callMe(10); > > printf("b is %d\n",b); > > callMe(1); > > return 0; > > } > > No nesting in C? Really? > > Perhaps Geoffrey was referring to ANSI-C. The GCC 3.3.3 manual has nested > functions under Extensions; if you try to compile your program with the > -ansi and -pedantic switches, it politely tells you "warning: ANSI C > forbids nested functions". I also tried to compile your program with MSVC > 5.0, which only got confused and reported a syntax error. > > http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.3.3/gcc/Nested-Functions.html > > I know I'm nitpicking, but I tend to be of a "if it's not in the spec it > doesn't count" mindset. Well I am sure C++ does allow it (which is probably why gcc allows it in C too, since it was easy). It isn't something I ever see a use for though. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 19:45:31 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:45:31 -0400 Subject: Spam fighting tools - TMDA In-Reply-To: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A177B-49iW0tF5bQXl9+zcyUE9hx1TMoFmMu2o@public.gmane.org> References: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E288A177B@lynchmail.lynch.msft> Message-ID: <20040420194531.GH29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:06:33PM -0400, Wil McGilvery wrote: > I would love to use TMDA, but I have yet to convince everyone that it won't impact the business. They are concerned that requiring an extra step will bother too many people. Have you asked them how much spam bothers them? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 20:07:03 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: <20040420194406.GG29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420194406.GG29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Well I am sure C++ does allow it (which is probably why gcc allows it in > C too, since it was easy). Nope, nested functions aren't legal in C++ either. They *are* legal in Pascal and a number of other languages. Note that the early GNU folks, by and large, did not come from a Unix/C background and consequently felt some of the limitations of C more than experienced C programmers did. Several of their non-standard extensions came out of wanting to make C look a bit more like the languages they grew up on. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 20:13:46 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:13:46 -0400 Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: ; from henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:07:03PM -0400 References: <20040420194406.GG29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040420161346.A20367@ee.ryerson.ca> ...and less like a high-level version of assembly language ;). (ducks) Peter > Several of their non-standard extensions came out of wanting to make C > look a bit more like the languages they grew up on. > > Henry Spencer > henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:42:59 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:42:59 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <20040420194243.GF29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:17PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > The tclsh program I wrote already speaks the 'dreadful ftp protocol', > > which btw, imho, is less dreadful than other abominations, such as smtp > > and pop3, and the point is of course to learn how it's done properly. > > SMTP uses a single port, speaks plain simple language that I can do over > telnet. Even pop3 I can do manually via telnet if I want to (sometimes > I do). > > ftp has active and passive mode, binary and ascii, multiple ports, and > other mess. What a hassle. Bad protocol design. The binary is almost never needed although applications set binary before starting transfer. The ftp protocol clearly specifies the default transfer protocol to be 8 bit clean ascii, as in, binary (in the present sense of the word). And binary in the sense of the ftp rfc's isn't what you'd think at all. It dates back to 36 bit pdp and vax abominations and such. In fact, unless you are talking to a mainframe from the previous century that cannot help itself you probably do not want to set binary at all I think. As to telnet, you can control a ftp session using a telnet client connecting to port 21 on the remote machine, and netcopy. It's very easy. telnet xxx, user, pass, pasv (this tells you the port), retr , and then netcopy the data (up or down), like nc there port file.here . nc is in the netcopy package. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 20:48:51 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:28:17PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > The tclsh program I wrote already speaks the 'dreadful ftp protocol', > > > which btw, imho, is less dreadful than other abominations, such as smtp > > > and pop3, and the point is of course to learn how it's done properly. > > > > SMTP uses a single port, speaks plain simple language that I can do over > > telnet. Even pop3 I can do manually via telnet if I want to (sometimes > > I do). > > > > ftp has active and passive mode, binary and ascii, multiple ports, and > > other mess. What a hassle. Bad protocol design. > > The binary is almost never needed although applications set binary before > starting transfer. The ftp protocol clearly specifies the default transfer > protocol to be 8 bit clean ascii, as in, binary (in the present sense of > the word). And binary in the sense of the ftp rfc's isn't what you'd think > at all. It dates back to 36 bit pdp and vax abominations and such. In > fact, unless you are talking to a mainframe from the previous century that > cannot help itself you probably do not want to set binary at all I think. I always use binary. I've seen too many transfers screwed up by using ascii mode. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 20:55:19 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:55:19 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <001501c42719$ca5af200$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> From: "Peter L. Peres" > And binary in the sense of the ftp rfc's isn't what you'd think > at all. It dates back to 36 bit pdp and vax abominations and such. In > fact, unless you are talking to a mainframe from the previous century that > cannot help itself you probably do not want to set binary at all I think. Does this tells us something about windows? When ftp client is run from there (that one which is by default installed by Microsoft) it will start in "ascii" mode, which means that the eighth bit will be cleared to 0 in every byte transfered. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:15:35 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:15:35 -0400 Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: References: <20040420194406.GG29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040420211535.GI29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:07:03PM -0400, Henry Spencer wrote: > Nope, nested functions aren't legal in C++ either. > > They *are* legal in Pascal and a number of other languages. Note that the > early GNU folks, by and large, did not come from a Unix/C background and > consequently felt some of the limitations of C more than experienced C > programmers did. Several of their non-standard extensions came out of > wanting to make C look a bit more like the languages they grew up on. Hmm, I really must have used a few weird languages then. I was pretty sure I had done nested functions in C++ before, but it sure can't have been a standard one (or even g++ by the looks of it). Maybe my memory is mixed up with all the pascal code I did many many years ago, or maybe stuff from Lisp, ML or some other nice language. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:18:06 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:18:06 -0400 Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040420211806.GJ29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:42:59AM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > The binary is almost never needed although applications set binary before > starting transfer. The ftp protocol clearly specifies the default transfer > protocol to be 8 bit clean ascii, as in, binary (in the present sense of > the word). And binary in the sense of the ftp rfc's isn't what you'd think > at all. It dates back to 36 bit pdp and vax abominations and such. In > fact, unless you are talking to a mainframe from the previous century that > cannot help itself you probably do not want to set binary at all I think. Using ascii mode when ftp server is unix and ftp client in DOS will corrupt your files as it does CR/LF conversions in ascii mode. At least some clients do. > As to telnet, you can control a ftp session using a telnet client > connecting to port 21 on the remote machine, and netcopy. It's very easy. > telnet xxx, user, pass, pasv (this tells you the port), retr , and > then netcopy the data (up or down), like nc there port >file.here . nc is in the netcopy package. Still not my idea of a nice simple protocol. And there is still active/passive mode. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:15:09 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:15:09 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: ftpput script: perl ? In-Reply-To: <001501c42719$ca5af200$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420135322.GE29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420194243.GF29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <001501c42719$ca5af200$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > From: "Peter L. Peres" > > > And binary in the sense of the ftp rfc's isn't what you'd think > > at all. It dates back to 36 bit pdp and vax abominations and such. In > > fact, unless you are talking to a mainframe from the previous century that > > cannot help itself you probably do not want to set binary at all I think. > > Does this tells us something about windows? When ftp client is run from > there (that one which is by default installed by Microsoft) it will start in > "ascii" mode, which means that the eighth bit will be cleared to 0 in every > byte transfered. You are right and I was talking bs. Sorry, my mistake. The rfc (959) says: 3.1.1.1. ASCII TYPE This is the default type and must be accepted by all FTP implementations. It is intended primarily for the transfer of text files, except when both hosts would find the EBCDIC type more convenient. The sender converts the data from an internal character representation to the standard 8-bit NVT-ASCII representation (see the Telnet specification). The receiver will convert the data from the standard form to his own internal form. so I was wrong. The ascii connection IS 8 bit clean but it does NOT send the original binary data, instead it escapes the telnet sequences (FF...). The method using nc can still be used to transfer text files. It's just a gimmick like those 'when in Siberia ...' instructions. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:19:26 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:19:26 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: search engine pollution Message-ID: I have htdig installed to search documents on my own machine and I have noticed that a particular document may be hard to find because it seldomly refers to itself, whereas many others refer to it. F.ex. searching for rfc ftp one will find all the assigned numbers and protocol lists, with the real ftp protocols scoring and ranking low (in the first few tens over 700+ matches in this case). What would be a way to improve this without using META tags and such (not all documents are text). Using the full title also does not help. The referrers also use the full title ... tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 21:58:59 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:58:59 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <20040420144831.GA3990-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040420144831.GA3990@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <40859D23.4000504@rogers.com> How does Spamassassin compapre with the spam filter in Mozilla? Noah John Gellner wrote: > I use spamassassin and it seems to work well. It is pretty easy to set > up too. You will want to personalize the filtering engine on SA so that > it deletes what you consider spam. I 'delete' all spam into a spam > directory. On the first 'training' I had around 1000 messages. Now I use > cron to run the SA trainer nightly. So far the software works really > well for me. There are many helpful Howtos online as well. > > Another package you might want to look at is Bogofilter. You can use it > in combination with SA too if you want. > > Noah > > On 10:09 Tue 20 Apr , Lance F. Squire wrote: > >>What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. >> >>I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? >> >>Lance >> >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 22:36:33 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:36:33 -0400 Subject: Redhat installation source change In-Reply-To: <40848287.90306-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40848287.90306@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4085A5F1.3020708@rogers.com> > Is it just me, or is Redhat a terrible fuckin' distro? How the hell do I > change my installation source settings... I installed of a boot cd but > now want to add packages with an ftp source. Ok, I guess people misunderstood my question. Normally I use SuSE and regardless off of what medium I do the install, I can always change it later. For instance, I'll often install via FTP but then use CD-ROM for adding packages later. I'm trying to figure out how to this under Redhat. Not command line rpm usage, ftp'ing down rpms, etc., I know all about that. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 20 23:33:04 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:33:04 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <40859D23.4000504-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040420144831.GA3990@butters.southtrak> <40859D23.4000504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040420233304.GA22672@butters.southtrak> I haven't used spam filter in Mozilla, but my experience with SA has been very positive. I have not had a false positive since I initially trained SA. I get the occassional false negative, but I think that this is a result of my wacky computer setup and not SA. I run SA as a daemon and I find that sometimes when I have maxed out the cpu on my server, compiling kde for example, SA doesn't mark mail. However, even with this problem I only have a couple of false negative per month. It is really nice. Noah On 17:58 Tue 20 Apr , James Knott wrote: > How does Spamassassin compapre with the spam filter in Mozilla? -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 00:17:35 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:17:35 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <40859D23.4000504-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040420144831.GA3990@butters.southtrak> <40859D23.4000504@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404202017.35098.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday April 20 2004 17:58, James Knott wrote: > How does Spamassassin compapre with the spam filter in Mozilla? I'm not sure if Mozilla Mail and Mozilla Thunderbird use the same spam filter, but I've had bad experience with the latter's. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just plain doesn't. I fought with it for a while, but gave up trying. After 3 months of training with about 70 spam and 10 ham messages coming in every day it still managed to get 50% of the mail filtered incorrectly. It was too capricious for my taste. Cheers! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAhb2fd7EQcXYRh/oRAk3eAKD1XO/mCRau8V9JgFiCojFPzRiwfQCeJb/q dVTsb7c7P4H+q1C6cdlvAgk= =LABF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 00:20:57 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:20:57 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <200404202017.35098.troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:17:35PM -0400 References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040420144831.GA3990@butters.southtrak> <40859D23.4000504@rogers.com> <200404202017.35098.troworld@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040420202057.B22862@ee.ryerson.ca> We're using spamassassin here in Electrical Engineering at Ryerson, and it seems to work very well. I'm down from over 50 spams per day to less than 1 a day. Peter On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:17:35PM -0400, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday April 20 2004 17:58, James Knott wrote: > > How does Spamassassin compapre with the spam filter in Mozilla? > > I'm not sure if Mozilla Mail and Mozilla Thunderbird use the same spam filter, > but I've had bad experience with the latter's. Sometimes it works, sometimes > it just plain doesn't. I fought with it for a while, but gave up trying. > After 3 months of training with about 70 spam and 10 ham messages coming in > every day it still managed to get 50% of the mail filtered incorrectly. > > It was too capricious for my taste. > > Cheers! > > - -- > Dmitri Vassilenko > > OpenPGP-key located at > http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc > OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAhb2fd7EQcXYRh/oRAk3eAKD1XO/mCRau8V9JgFiCojFPzRiwfQCeJb/q > dVTsb7c7P4H+q1C6cdlvAgk= > =LABF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 01:57:46 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:57:46 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <005001c42744$0b180740$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Lance F. Squire" on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:09 AM wrote: > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. > > I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? While not strictly speaking a spam killing tool I am in the process of setting up SPF for the domains and mail server I administer. What SPF does is it asks the question "Is the machine that is attempting to sending me e-mail authorised by the domain holder to send e-mail for the domain they claim to be sending from?". In other words if you get an e-mail that is coming from a Roger's IP number but has an AOL from address SPF will assume it to be bad news and discard it. Or if an e-mail comes from a AOL IP number, but does not come from a mail server that AOL has authorised to send e-mail SPF can again assume the e-mail to be bad news and drop it. SPF is far from perfect as a spam solution in that it only attempts to verify that a particular e-mail came from a site the domain owner authorises it to come from (i.e. anyone wanting to run their own mail server from home had likely best set-up their own domain...). For the foreseeable future a significant number of sites will not have the authorised mail server list in their DNS entries to support SPF. Also, some spammers I am sure will have their own little ISPs with SPF entries so spam will appear legit enough to pass. Still SPF is useful as it does raise the bar for spammers, making it much harder to hide where they are actually coming from, and making other anti-spam tools like blacklisting based on domain name more effective... It also raises the bar for virus writers who if they want their creations to spread among Windows boxes will again have to be more open about where the virus is coming from (making correction and cure easier...). Lastly it also reduces the value of open relays as a run of the mill mis-configured Linux/*BSD/virus infected Windows box in a domain that has implemented SPF con not send much without being noticed... Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 02:29:29 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:29:29 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF In-Reply-To: <005001c42744$0b180740$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <005001c42744$0b180740$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <1082514568.1273.8.camel@rincewind.discworld> On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 21:57, Colin McGregor wrote: > "Lance F. Squire" on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:09 AM > wrote: > > > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. > > > > I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? > > While not strictly speaking a spam killing tool I am in the process of > setting up SPF for the domains and mail server I administer. What SPF does > is it asks the question "Is the machine that is attempting to sending me > e-mail authorised by the domain holder to send e-mail for the domain they > claim to be sending from?". In other words if you get an e-mail that is > coming from a Roger's IP number but has an AOL from address SPF will assume > it to be bad news and discard it. Or if an e-mail comes from a AOL IP > number, but does not come from a mail server that AOL has authorised to send > e-mail SPF can again assume the e-mail to be bad news and drop it. > > SPF is far from perfect as a spam solution in that it only attempts to > verify that a particular e-mail came from a site the domain owner authorises > it to come from (i.e. anyone wanting to run their own mail server from home > had likely best set-up their own domain...). For the foreseeable future a > significant number of sites will not have the authorised mail server list in > their DNS entries to support SPF. Also, some spammers I am sure will have > their own little ISPs with SPF entries so spam will appear legit enough to > pass. Still SPF is useful as it does raise the bar for spammers, making it > much harder to hide where they are actually coming from, and making other > anti-spam tools like blacklisting based on domain name more effective... It > also raises the bar for virus writers who if they want their creations to > spread among Windows boxes will again have to be more open about where the > virus is coming from (making correction and cure easier...). Lastly it also > reduces the value of open relays as a run of the mill mis-configured > Linux/*BSD/virus infected Windows box in a domain that has implemented SPF > con not send much without being noticed... > That being said it also makes it difficult to send email from mutliple accounts. For instance, I have an email account with the CS department at U of T. It is accessible via imap/pop3 remotely but they don't provide an externally available SMTP server so email that I send from that account (when not on campus) goes through my ISPs SMTP relay. The same kind of problem pops up when you run your own SMTP relay in order to avoid relying on external servers. Regards, -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 03:42:48 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:42:48 -0500 Subject: Hi, Message-ID: <200404202242.50591.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Hi all, Is there some sort of funny activity going on these days? 216.209.195.164 - - [20/Apr/2004:21:21:39 -0400] "SEARCH /\x90\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 HTTP/1.0" 414 349 "-" "-" -- Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 02:47:56 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:47:56 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF In-Reply-To: <1082514568.1273.8.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <005001c42744$0b180740$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <1082514568.1273.8.camel@rincewind.discworld> Message-ID: <200404202247.56967.jab@muskokatech.ca> FWIW, I just implemented greylisting on my mailserver. If you want more info, see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ Jeremy Baker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 03:37:47 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hi, In-Reply-To: <200404202242.50591.ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I@public.gmane.org> References: <200404202242.50591.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Peter Pieczora wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there some sort of funny activity going on these days? Always :) > 216.209.195.164 - - [20/Apr/2004:21:21:39 -0400] > "SEARCH /\x90\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 > \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 > \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 > \x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1 > HTTP/1.0" 414 349 "-" "-" Looks like an attempt at a buffer overflow to me. As long as your server does not have a security hole this is trying to exploit you'll be fine. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 04:10:46 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:10:46 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <40852F27.3030908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040421001046.6b3d0ebc.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:09:43 -0400 Lance F. Squire disseminated the following: > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. I've found these to be an easy and effective way of beating spam. Between the two, I kill about 99% of the spam, and get a false positive rate of about 1 or 2 out of a hundred (mostly because I use spamcop with notespam, which is very aggressive): http://www.xisp.net/notespam/ http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold..." -- William Butler Yeats -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 05:39:39 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:39:39 -0500 Subject: Hi, In-Reply-To: References: <200404202242.50591.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Message-ID: <200404210039.39934.ppieczora@dsl.ca> Thanks for info Robert, I've checked for Apache 2.0.49, seems to be fine, so far Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 05:09:48 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:09:48 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <20040421001046.6b3d0ebc.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040421001046.6b3d0ebc.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040421050948.GA1513@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:10:46AM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:09:43 -0400 > Lance F. Squire disseminated the following: > > > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. > > I've found these to be an easy and effective way of beating spam. Between the > two, I kill about 99% of the spam, and get a false positive rate of about 1 or 2 > out of a hundred (mostly because I use spamcop with notespam, which is very > aggressive): > > http://www.xisp.net/notespam/ > > http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ Rather than relying on 3rd-party program claiming to know what emails you should receive and what emails you shouldn't, you should tailor ~/.procmailrc to suit your needs. For me, I delete Microsoft Swen spams from my public POP accounts, and reject it during DATA portion of SMTP connection on my own Sendmail server. The pattern I use to identify Swen worm is boundary="[a-z]+" I accept the following spams, but filtered for later viewing: ^Content-type: text/html boundary="-*[0-9]+" boundary="-*[0-9A-Z._]+" ^TO_[^@]*@yahoo.ca>?,[^@]*@yahoo.ca>?,[^@]*@yahoo.ca Last, any email which went through Microsoft servers or APNIC (Asia Pacific) region is quaranteed for later viewing: boundary="-*=_NextPart_.*" ^X-(MSMail-)?Priority: (6[01]|20[23]|21[0189]|22[012])\.[1-9][0-9]?[0-9]?\.[1-9][0-9]?[0-9]?\.[1-9][0-9]?[0-9]? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 11:10:26 2004 From: scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Scott Allen) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:10:26 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <40852F27.3030908-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>; from lance-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org on Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 10:09:43 -0400 References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040421111026.GC9985@localhost> On Tue Apr 20,2004 10:09:43 AM Lance F. Squire wrote: > What's the best/easy spam filter out there right now. > > I've heard of Spam Assassin. Is that the one to go with? I've been using "Quick Spam Filter" (QSF) as a client side filter for several months now. http://www.ivarch.com/programs/qsf.shtml It's a statistical analysis type filter using the Bayesian technique, similar to Bogofilter, but a little simpler and easier to set up. I run it from procmail which is called from the Balsa mail reader that I use. Currently it seems to catch about 80% to 90% of the spam I get (about 1 or 2 out of about 15 per day get through). I've only had a handfull of false positives. -- ** Scott Allen scotta-cpI+UMyWUv9BDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org ** ** Toronto, Ontario, Canada ** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 17:35:39 2004 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:35:39 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file Message-ID: <265000-220044321173539287@M2W036.mail2web.com> Thanks. Tried this. The resulting PS file looks OK but the final text file is severely jumbled up without any detectable pattern visa vi the original PDF. I'll keep trying. Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo31P9xLtpHBDw at public.gmane.org.net Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) To: tlug-GezYG1x/Qbs at public.gmane.org.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: extracting text from PDF file On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, bob findlay wrote: > I've stumbled across the pdftotext utility on my Red Hat box. > When I run it fails saying that > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? It's probably not as good, but try pdftops followed by ps2ascii. (The ps2ascii manpage also has a reference to a pstotext program, although it doesn't seem to exist on the Linux system I've got handy.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo31P9xLtpHBDw at public.gmane.org.net -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 17:59:19 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:59:19 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <265000-220044321173539287-Xcp0aj21AvyZ8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <265000-220044321173539287@M2W036.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20040421175919.GA19109@butters.southtrak> Are you able to disclose the document that you are trying to convert? I wonder if Redhat hasn't disabled some functionality in pdftotext. I use the app all the time to view pdf attachments on my console. To test again, I downloaded a random pdf document and it worked very well. I would be interested to see if there are documents that are internally limited or if this is something imposed by Redhat. Noah On 13:35 Wed 21 Apr , fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > When I run it fails saying that > > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:11:20 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity Message-ID: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running instead of just shutting down the computer? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:20:57 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:20:57 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421191120.7057.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404211520.57657.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> ps -A or better still, install treeps http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html Charly Baker On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:21:11 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421191120.7057.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing anything > that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? I like ps axf which shows me a list of all processes, grouped in a tree-like structure that shows child processes. Now, if you are seeing traffic on your cable modem, that may or may not be traffic *coming into* your machine -- it may just be passing through on its way to your neighbour's machine. I have DSL, so any traffic on the modem is for me, but my father-in-law has cable, and his LEDs flash all the time. Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:29:44 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:29:44 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c427d7$00122ea0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? ps But I am afraid that it might be too late ;) zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:22:46 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:22:46 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421191120.7057.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? try: ps -aux which gives a full list of the running programs or: top which is a program that you can keep hitting spacebar to refresh to see the CPU hogs (you can sort the list by various criteria) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:08:01 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 21 Apr 2004 15:08:01 -0400 Subject: Nested functions in C (was: Understanding Packages) In-Reply-To: <20040420211535.GI29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040420194406.GG29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040420211535.GI29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: "Lennart Sorensen" writes: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 04:07:03PM -0400, Henry Spencer wrote: > > Nope, nested functions aren't legal in C++ either. > > > > They *are* legal in Pascal and a number of other languages. Note that the > > early GNU folks, by and large, did not come from a Unix/C background and > > consequently felt some of the limitations of C more than experienced C > > programmers did. Several of their non-standard extensions came out of > > wanting to make C look a bit more like the languages they grew up on. > > Hmm, I really must have used a few weird languages then. I was pretty > sure I had done nested functions in C++ before, but it sure can't have > been a standard one (or even g++ by the looks of it). Maybe my memory > is mixed up with all the pascal code I did many many years ago, or maybe > stuff from Lisp, ML or some other nice language. :) Perhaps you're thinking of something like this: void foo() { class bar { public: static void baz() { /* something */ } }; /* Invoked "nested function". */ bar::baz(); } which is legal C++. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:24:30 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421191120.7057.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Mel Seder wrote: > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing anything > that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? The command top will show you processes but it may now shed light on why the cable modem is going full bore (which could be something happening outside). Look at netstat -a as well. There are lots of other too. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:24:45 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:24:45 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211520.57657.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211520.57657.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: <001e01c427d6$4daaa490$0101010a@winxp> There is a lot of incoming Netbios crap. Sometimes it can create some heavy traffic. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Charly Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:21 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity ps -A or better still, install treeps http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html Charly Baker On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 18:27:03 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:27:03 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <00aa01c427d7$00122ea0$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <00aa01c427d7$00122ea0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <200404211427.03174.skuznets@blueprint.org> Hi there, first of all to check what connection of file established type: lsof -i | less -S and after that analysis, type: top ( interactive ps tool ) or ps -elf | less -S On April 21, 2004 03:29 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > ps > > But I am afraid that it might be too late ;) > > zb. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:34:24 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:34:24 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421191120.7057.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404211534.24756.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Further to my other reply: When I said better still install treeps, I should have said it is probably a waste of time using ps, you really have to have another utility such as treeps. The reason is that rootkits will often include a replacement ps and a replacement pstree that won't show you the processes that the rootkit runs. Treeps will. If you really think that you may be compromised, then standard tools like ps won't help, unless you get the binary from a known to be secure and uncompromised machine. BTW, this isn't theory, it is my own personal experience. Charly Baker On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 18:34:28 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:34:28 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <001e01c427d6$4daaa490$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001e01c427d6$4daaa490$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <200404211434.28387.skuznets@blueprint.org> Hi Sergey, Yes, it can be port scanning ( it's common stuff these days ) or NetBIOS broadcasting, as well as Windows likes to send some probes to UDP port 1900. But lsof -i can give him most detailed info. On April 21, 2004 03:24 pm, Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > There is a lot of incoming Netbios crap. Sometimes it can create some heavy > traffic. > > Sergey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Charly > Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity > > ps -A > > or better still, install treeps > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > Charly Baker > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 12:52:01 2004 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:52:01 -0400 Subject: Fedora Woes (Nautilus) In-Reply-To: <20040420171136.GA46255-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> <40854BEF.6050007@utoronto.ca> <20040420171136.GA46255@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <40866E71.5000607@utoronto.ca> Taavi Burns wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 12:12:31PM -0400, Ivan Avery Frey wrote: > >>If you have a directory full of jpegs, Nautilus will render them as >>thumbprints. > > > That's a "thumbnail" to the rest of the world. ;) > > As opposed to a cryptographic key "fingerprint", y'know. > Well to quote Homer: "Doh!" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 19:53:37 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <00aa01c427d7$00122ea0$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <00aa01c427d7$00122ea0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <20040421195337.17576.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your reply, I re-booted without any apparent problems. It sure was scary though. --- Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > > instead of just shutting down the computer? > > ps > > But I am afraid that it might be too late ;) > > zb. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 21:19:17 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <001e01c427d6$4daaa490$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001e01c427d6$4daaa490$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <20040421211917.37514.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> lost you last message and plumber just came in to fix leak. my lan has 192.168.0.x IP's you can access it at 24.79.43.91 seder.dynup.net it is a netgear router. thanks for your efforts and time ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 21:40:24 2004 From: redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: secure ftp server for linux Message-ID: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> I need recommendations or suggestions for an ftp server. I am running RH7.3 No anonymous accounts will be permitted. This server must be friendly to access from Macs using Fetch and/or MS boxes running WSFTP. I just want a solution that will decrease the probability/possibility that my server will be hacked by script kiddies. I fully realize the shortcomings and insecurity of the ftp protocol, however the material being transferred is not confidential and the ftp account passwords will be changed every month. No shell access should be permitted, and users should not be allowed outside of their upload/download directories. It would be nice to have an rpm binary as well. I am currently looking at wu-ftpd and pure-ftpd. Any comments about these packages? -- GZ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 22:30:24 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:30:24 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211434.28387.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211434.28387.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <000a01c427f0$3d116140$0101010a@winxp> Well, the trick is not in port-scanning. DSL's are pretty much crapped with excessive traffic, and, as I have noticed, sometimes not specifically targeted, although I had around 10000 incoming connection requests/day blocked by firewall. I think it's irrelevant. Just a thought what could make your modem flash with all its LEDs (ha, very optimistic one). Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sergey Kuznetsov Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:34 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity Hi Sergey, Yes, it can be port scanning ( it's common stuff these days ) or NetBIOS broadcasting, as well as Windows likes to send some probes to UDP port 1900. But lsof -i can give him most detailed info. On April 21, 2004 03:24 pm, Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > There is a lot of incoming Netbios crap. Sometimes it can create some heavy > traffic. > > Sergey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Charly > Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity > > ps -A > > or better still, install treeps > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > Charly Baker > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 22:39:18 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:39:18 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211434.28387.skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211434.28387.skuznets@blueprint.org> Message-ID: <000b01c427f1$7b909110$0101010a@winxp> Although getting back to the essence of the subject, ps or top are not always able provide you the info you need, but lsof could really give you a better picture, as well as netstat (see man, I don't remember the syntax well). Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Sergey Kuznetsov Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:34 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity Hi Sergey, Yes, it can be port scanning ( it's common stuff these days ) or NetBIOS broadcasting, as well as Windows likes to send some probes to UDP port 1900. But lsof -i can give him most detailed info. On April 21, 2004 03:24 pm, Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > There is a lot of incoming Netbios crap. Sometimes it can create some heavy > traffic. > > Sergey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Charly > Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:21 PM > To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org > Subject: Re: [TLUG]: cable modem activity > > ps -A > > or better still, install treeps > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > Charly Baker > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 22:43:09 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:43:09 -0400 Subject: FW: Out of office - is it possible to make a policy to prevent people from using Out of Office replies Message-ID: <000c01c427f2$050fb1a0$0101010a@winxp> What about enforcing it too? -----Original Message----- From: John Li [mailto:jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:40 PM To: Sergey Semenyuk Subject: Out of office -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 23:58:04 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:58:04 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <20040421050948.GA1513-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040421001046.6b3d0ebc.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040421050948.GA1513@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040421195804.1a34f55f.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:09:48 -0400 William Park disseminated the following: > > http://www.xisp.net/notespam/ > > > > http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ > > Rather than relying on 3rd-party program claiming to know what emails > you should receive and what emails you shouldn't, you should tailor > ~/.procmailrc to suit your needs. Actually, Mailfilter is very similar to procmail in that it uses regexp to define rules, AKA 'recipes'. Cool thing is, it deletes the spam before you even download it; and since MF automagically 'normalizes' the header info, you don't have to worry about insanely complicated regexp to deal with the V-ia?g*ra stuff. This one alone catches a *lot* of spam: SCORE +100=^(To|Cc):(.*sympatico\.ca){3} Notespam is like a Procmail plugin, and it is customizable to be as aggressive as you wish. Of course, I also use Dallman Ross's virussnag and the every popular YAVR, since Mailfilter only looks at the headers, not the content, and Notespam is based only on RBL's. *All* HTML mail gets tagged as spam, except mail to my biz/family address. Not *everybody* has the grey matter or time to learn regexp and egrep in all their wondrous glory, as you evidently do ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold..." -- William Butler Yeats -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 23:53:32 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:53:32 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040421211917.37514.qmail-pW1lCIDfJjmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421211917.37514.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c427fb$da806a60$0101010a@winxp> Well, you seem to look clean (unless you have a Trojan or something like this). I ran portscan on you, and this is what I got: - ???? 389/tcp LDAP - Lightweight Directory Access Protocol Status: Possible DoS threat. Description of vulnerability: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Several Implementations of the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP). Solution: Upgrade. Patch: http://www.openLDAP.org/software/download/ Url: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-18.html - port 22/tcp SSH service - Security Shell SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.6.1p2 >>> Supported protocols: 1.33 1.5 1.99 2.0 The versions 1.33 and 1.5 have issues with cryptography>>> - port 21/tcp - port 1002/tcp - port 1720/tcp reply to Ms SQL request: #3 #0 #0 #23 #8 #2 #0 #0 Z~ #0 #11 #5 #5 @ #6 #0 #8 'J #0 #2 X >>> Well, sorry for the portscan, but looks like nothing serious. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Mel Seder Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:19 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: RE: [TLUG]: cable modem activity lost you last message and plumber just came in to fix leak. my lan has 192.168.0.x IP's you can access it at 24.79.43.91 seder.dynup.net it is a netgear router. thanks for your efforts and time ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 21 23:59:14 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:59:14 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - archive? In-Reply-To: <20040421195804.1a34f55f.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421195804.1a34f55f.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <001001c427fc$a6644ed0$0101010a@winxp> By the way, I could be wrong, by here was a discussion about filtering spam e-mails where contents is substituted by look-alike symbols. Like v1agra or shit like this. Could somebody send me either a link or archive. Just want to use some ideas. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:58 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Killing spam On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:09:48 -0400 William Park disseminated the following: > > http://www.xisp.net/notespam/ > > > > http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net/ > > Rather than relying on 3rd-party program claiming to know what emails > you should receive and what emails you shouldn't, you should tailor > ~/.procmailrc to suit your needs. Actually, Mailfilter is very similar to procmail in that it uses regexp to define rules, AKA 'recipes'. Cool thing is, it deletes the spam before you even download it; and since MF automagically 'normalizes' the header info, you don't have to worry about insanely complicated regexp to deal with the V-ia?g*ra stuff. This one alone catches a *lot* of spam: SCORE +100=^(To|Cc):(.*sympatico\.ca){3} Notespam is like a Procmail plugin, and it is customizable to be as aggressive as you wish. Of course, I also use Dallman Ross's virussnag and the every popular YAVR, since Mailfilter only looks at the headers, not the content, and Notespam is based only on RBL's. *All* HTML mail gets tagged as spam, except mail to my biz/family address. Not *everybody* has the grey matter or time to learn regexp and egrep in all their wondrous glory, as you evidently do ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold..." -- William Butler Yeats -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 00:35:15 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:35:15 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail References: <000f01c427fb$da806a60$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> From: "Sergey Semenyuk" - ???? 389/tcp I see this properly, with Cyrillic fonts. But my wife is Russian (I am Polish, well, a Canadian too) and I have no choice but to use Russian on my computer (which is btw not bad - there is a lot of Russian web sites worth of reading, which is not a problem for me) You, Sergey, will probably see "????" properly on your computer. But most other recepients of this email will not. I use now, temporarily, so called Outlook Express. But I noticed that KMail has a sort of problems as well when it comes to deal with foreing fonts. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 00:33:40 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:33:40 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <000f01c427fb$da806a60$0101010a@winxp> <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <200404212033.40520.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On April 21, 2004 08:35 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > From: "Sergey Semenyuk" > > - ???? 389/tcp > > I see this properly, with Cyrillic fonts. But my wife is Russian (I am > Polish, well, a Canadian too) and I have no choice but to use Russian on my > computer (which is btw not bad - there is a lot of Russian web sites worth > of reading, which is not a problem for me) > > You, Sergey, will probably see "????" properly on your computer. But most > other recepients of this email will not. > > I use now, temporarily, so called Outlook Express. But I noticed that KMail > has a sort of problems as well when it comes to deal with foreing fonts. It looks fine here with KMail (on fedora core 1). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 01:04:11 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:04:11 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <001101c42805$b8d2b260$0101010a@winxp> Well, sorry. That program gives output in Russian, and I changed most of it. Just missed a word, but if you follow the text, you could see that it was just port :). Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Zbigniew Koziol Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: fonts tricks in e-mail From: "Sergey Semenyuk" - ???? 389/tcp I see this properly, with Cyrillic fonts. But my wife is Russian (I am Polish, well, a Canadian too) and I have no choice but to use Russian on my computer (which is btw not bad - there is a lot of Russian web sites worth of reading, which is not a problem for me) You, Sergey, will probably see "????" properly on your computer. But most other recepients of this email will not. I use now, temporarily, so called Outlook Express. But I noticed that KMail has a sort of problems as well when it comes to deal with foreing fonts. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 01:26:25 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:26:25 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a-GHL3renqLPfaqt0FfQ8fGQ@public.gmane.org> References: <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> Message-ID: <001201c42808$d3da3940$0101010a@winxp> You just made me think about it. There is no standard Russian encoding. I know the following (guys, correct me if I missed something): 1) There was so called standard encoding which existed on XP-like machines. 2) Alternative (I can mix it with the one above), but namely CP866 - DOS 3) ISO-8859-5 - could be one that is not CP866 (I mean #1 in the list). Know very little about its use. Note: Long time ago we used the words standard and alternative, I just don't remember which one is which. 4) KOI-8R - UNIX 5) CP1251 - Windows The mostly used ones are KOI-8R and CP1251. This stuff is not a problem for most of e-mail clients but sometimes even mail servers can chop off some bits (and even characters). The message consisting mostly of question marks is rather hard to read, that is why I use mostly so called "translit" (English spelling). But this is pretty much dependent of a mail server/client and headers: Content-type: text/plain; charset=..... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7/8bit (well if is 7bit and the message is 8 bit you will have fun reading it). I guess this is not quite right subject for this place, but if people want to move on it will be interesting for everybody. Sergey PS: Sorry for the Russian piece again. -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Zbigniew Koziol Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:35 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: fonts tricks in e-mail From: "Sergey Semenyuk" - ???? 389/tcp I see this properly, with Cyrillic fonts. But my wife is Russian (I am Polish, well, a Canadian too) and I have no choice but to use Russian on my computer (which is btw not bad - there is a lot of Russian web sites worth of reading, which is not a problem for me) You, Sergey, will probably see "????" properly on your computer. But most other recepients of this email will not. I use now, temporarily, so called Outlook Express. But I noticed that KMail has a sort of problems as well when it comes to deal with foreing fonts. zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From borgtech-zkJH4PR2EqW8rjiVs5Nzzw at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 01:39:41 2004 From: borgtech-zkJH4PR2EqW8rjiVs5Nzzw at public.gmane.org (Mark Borg) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:39:41 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <20040421175919.GA19109-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <265000-220044321173539287@M2W036.mail2web.com> <20040421175919.GA19109@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <200404212139.41421.borgtech@consultant.com> On Wed April 21 2004 13:59, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Are you able to disclose the document that you are trying to convert? I > wonder if Redhat hasn't disabled some functionality in pdftotext. I use > the app all the time to view pdf attachments on my console. To test > again, I downloaded a random pdf document and it worked very well. > > I would be interested to see if there are documents that are internally > limited or if this is something imposed by Redhat. > > Noah > > On 13:35 Wed 21 Apr , fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > When I run it fails saying that > > > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > > > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? hi, is this an encrypted pdf or a document created with a late version of acrobat? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 01:39:26 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:39:26 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <200404212139.41421.borgtech-zkJH4PR2EqW8rjiVs5Nzzw@public.gmane.org> References: <200404212139.41421.borgtech@consultant.com> Message-ID: <001301c4280a$a554ab30$0101010a@winxp> I am not trying to invent a bike, but I've seen to many documents that were either scanned and then converted to PDF (many people still create PDF's from JPEGs) or were created using print "text as graphics". Copying and other text functions are restrictions of commercial software and for the sake of documents being commercial. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Mark Borg Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:40 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: extracting text from PDF file On Wed April 21 2004 13:59, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Are you able to disclose the document that you are trying to convert? I > wonder if Redhat hasn't disabled some functionality in pdftotext. I use > the app all the time to view pdf attachments on my console. To test > again, I downloaded a random pdf document and it worked very well. > > I would be interested to see if there are documents that are internally > limited or if this is something imposed by Redhat. > > Noah > > On 13:35 Wed 21 Apr , fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > When I run it fails saying that > > > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > > > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? hi, is this an encrypted pdf or a document created with a late version of acrobat? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 01:44:02 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:02 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) Message-ID: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them today. Can we do something about it??? -----Original Message----- From: John Li [mailto:jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:40 PM To: Sergey Semenyuk Subject: Out of office -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:06:51 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:06:51 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <20040422020018.4078F17C490@smtp.istop.com> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:44, you wrote: > Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them > today. Can we do something about it??? Write once per day and you are goint to receive one reply only. ;) zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:20:38 2004 From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:20:38 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <20040421222038.123ccd1b.jmyshrall@golden.net> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:02 -0400 "Sergey Semenyuk" wrote: > Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them > today. Can we do something about it??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Li [mailto:jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:40 PM > To: Sergey Semenyuk > Subject: Out of office > That's funny .... I haven't seen any off this list in quite some time. Maybe it's Lookout biting you ;) John - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:33:00 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:33:00 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040421222038.123ccd1b.jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421222038.123ccd1b.jmyshrall@golden.net> Message-ID: <001501c42812$21c6de20$0101010a@winxp> Return-Path: Received: from EXCHANGE_V01.to.epost.ca ([216.191.58.99]) by tomts41-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040422014529.QDOC24257.tomts41-srv.bellnexxia.net-Xnr6BND5kchu6YYnFMCh3y2R93dXfZpM at public.gmane.orgt.c a> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:45:29 -0400 Received: by exchange_v01.to.epost.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7703ACE1E1-Lp/cVzEoVyYVSouV3EDkfwAHDTeR/6sY at public.gmane.org> From: John Li To: Sergey Semenyuk Subject: Out of office Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe it's exchange? (I guess you have received one at the moment). This is a second case over a couple of weeks, and the "Out of Office" replies are somehow inconsistent, and in this case are sent directly to the sender, rather than to the list. I know you can't configure most/all Out of office robots to ignore specific addresses, but is it possible to do something is the scripts of the list and make people register themselves there? There are lots of pros and cons, but it can be aproblem is the future. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of John Myshrall Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:21 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Auto Reply (agian) On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:02 -0400 "Sergey Semenyuk" wrote: > Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them > today. Can we do something about it??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Li [mailto:jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:40 PM > To: Sergey Semenyuk > Subject: Out of office > That's funny .... I haven't seen any off this list in quite some time. Maybe it's Lookout biting you ;) John - -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:53:22 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:53:22 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040422020018.4078F17C490-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> <20040422020018.4078F17C490@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <20040422025324.0260F3FE5@cbbrowne.com> > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:44, you wrote: > > Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them > > today. Can we do something about it??? > > Write once per day and you are goint to receive one reply only. > > ;) And this is actually a fairly good idea. On some Usenet newsgroups, I hold myself to at most an article a week, due to the probability of threads accelerating out of control. The TLUG list has historically spun "out of control" when people have started posting continuous responses to one another. A couple hours of that and people come home with the irritating result of 75 back-and-forth flames. It's pretty useful to keep traffic down to a dull roar by NOT sending 10 messages out each day... -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/oses.html "I found out that when you get married the man becomes the head of the house. And the woman becomes the neck, and she turns the head any way she wants to." -- Yakov Smirnoff -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 03:01:30 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:01:30 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <20040421230130.68518473.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:02 -0400 Sergey Semenyuk disseminated the following: > Can we do something about it??? :0 * ^From.*jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org { :0 /dev/null } -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas." -- Hunter S. Thompson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:58:33 2004 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format Message-ID: Hi! Few months ago in one TLUG meeting we talked about IMAP server & the mailbox format it used. Part of it was about how maildir format is much better than single file as a mailbox. Well, in 1999 Mark Crispin wrote an article about mailbox format, and he wrote why maildir (file per message) format is not a good idea. Is his reasoning not correct or not applicable anymore? http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html ... There's a general reason why file/message formats are a bad idea. Just about every filesystem in existance serializes file creation and deletions because these manipulate the free space map. This turns out to be an enormous problem when you start creating/deleting more than a few messages per second; you spend all your time thrashing in the filesystem. It is also extremely slow to do a text search through a file/message format mailbox. All of those open()s and close()s really add up to major filesystem thrashing. ... Thank you for your opinion! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 02:59:33 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:59:33 -0400 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm-4xi/tfaRJV++TtN3LuOZE8GV+HDSZRyd8ZjxTxpiBLs@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <200404212259.33201.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 21, 2004 05:40 pm, redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I need recommendations or suggestions for an ftp > server. I am running RH7.3 > > No anonymous accounts will be permitted. > > This server must be friendly to access from Macs using > Fetch and/or MS boxes running WSFTP. > > I just want a solution that will decrease the > probability/possibility that my server will be hacked > by script kiddies. > > I fully realize the shortcomings and insecurity of the > ftp protocol, however the material being transferred is > not confidential and the ftp account passwords will be > changed every month. No shell access should be > permitted, and users should not be allowed outside of > their upload/download directories. > > It would be nice to have an rpm binary as well. > I am currently looking at wu-ftpd and pure-ftpd. > Any comments about these packages? well i don't use ftp anymore due to it's insecurity, but if i had to use it, i've heard that proftpd is good. -- i have seen what power does, and i have seen what power costs. the one is never equal to the other. - g'kar, babylon 5 "epiphanies" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 03:04:54 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:04:54 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40873656.1090605@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I am don't know much about the actual formats, but the argument that having many small files is a performance penalty can easily be eliminated by using a specially-designed file system like reiserfs which can handle small files well. I think this argument is probably out-dated by now. S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > There's a general reason why file/message formats are a bad idea. Just > about every filesystem in existance serializes file creation and deletions > because these manipulate the free space map. This turns out to be an > enormous problem when you start creating/deleting more than a few messages > per second; you spend all your time thrashing in the filesystem. > > It is also extremely slow to do a text search through a file/message > format mailbox. All of those open()s and close()s really add up to major > filesystem thrashing. > ... - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAhzZeRreNkzrRRLQRAgiGAJ9lwNtjx+h5TCtQfxzzq/BRvVIiZQCff4KQ fiFjrhCd0/Xaq1YJcTu1+QA= =4GdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 03:36:09 2004 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <40873656.1090605-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40873656.1090605@truxtar.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Anton Markov wrote: >Well, I am don't know much about the actual formats, but the argument >that having many small files is a performance penalty can easily be >eliminated by using a specially-designed file system like reiserfs which >can handle small files well. So, without reiserfs, the argument still hold? Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 04:15:09 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:15:09 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: <40873656.1090605@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <408746CD.3000902@truxtar.com> S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Anton Markov wrote: > >>Well, I am don't know much about the actual formats, but the argument >>that having many small files is a performance penalty can easily be >>eliminated by using a specially-designed file system like reiserfs which >>can handle small files well. > > > So, without reiserfs, the argument still hold? That's not exactly what I said. What I meant was that reiserfs has been used successfully on mail/news servers with good performance benefits. I would think there is more than one factor effecting the performance. Like I said, I am not an expert on this. -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 04:20:03 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:20:03 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040422042003.GA4618@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:58:33PM -0400, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Hi! > > Few months ago in one TLUG meeting we talked about IMAP server & the > mailbox format it used. Part of it was about how maildir format is much > better than single file as a mailbox. > > Well, in 1999 Mark Crispin wrote an article about mailbox format, and he > wrote why maildir (file per message) format is not a good idea. Is his > reasoning not correct or not applicable anymore? > > http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html No problem with 'mbox' on all my Slackware machines. Except that, if your mailbox is around 200MB, 'popa3d' will refuse to authenticate. :-) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 04:21:28 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:21:28 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040422020018.4078F17C490-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> <20040422020018.4078F17C490@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <20040422042128.GB4618@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:06:51PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:44, you wrote: > > Hate to repeat myself. Well, this stuff is annoying. I had 10 of them > > today. Can we do something about it??? > > Write once per day and you are goint to receive one reply only. Don't you mean one / day / (mailing list or newsgroup) ? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 04:29:29 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:29:29 -0400 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <200404212259.33201.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <200404212259.33201.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404220029.39347.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What's a good replacement for FTP? I remember using WinSCP back in the day for SCP connections. IIRC, it worked with any host that has SSH setup. Or maybe that was just a coincidence? I'm not sure. I've been trying to find a client for Linux that would do the same. gFTP has a SSH connection option, but it doesn't work for the hosts which support SCP. Any ideas? Cheers! On Wednesday April 21 2004 22:59, gabriel wrote: > On April 21, 2004 05:40 pm, redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > I need recommendations or suggestions for an ftp > > server. I am running RH7.3 > > > > No anonymous accounts will be permitted. > > > > This server must be friendly to access from Macs using > > Fetch and/or MS boxes running WSFTP. > > > > I just want a solution that will decrease the > > probability/possibility that my server will be hacked > > by script kiddies. > > > > I fully realize the shortcomings and insecurity of the > > ftp protocol, however the material being transferred is > > not confidential and the ftp account passwords will be > > changed every month. No shell access should be > > permitted, and users should not be allowed outside of > > their upload/download directories. > > > > It would be nice to have an rpm binary as well. > > I am currently looking at wu-ftpd and pure-ftpd. > > Any comments about these packages? > > well i don't use ftp anymore due to it's insecurity, but if i had to use > it, i've heard that proftpd is good. - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAh0oyd7EQcXYRh/oRAgODAJ9k98vJJ4+wZWtMt/Z7qLGiuMeo6wCfTBdn v3jA0lboVA7TZql4Z9JCm3A= =f4g0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 04:34:38 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:34:38 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040421230130.68518473.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> <20040421230130.68518473.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040422043438.GA4787@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:01:30PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:44:02 -0400 > Sergey Semenyuk disseminated the following: > > > Can we do something about it??? > > :0 > * ^From.*jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > { > :0 > /dev/null > } Or, to reject during SMTP dialog, /etc/mail/access: jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org REJECT -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 05:09:18 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:09:18 -0600 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <200404220029.39347.troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <200404212259.33201.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <200404220029.39347.troworld@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040422050918.GC7739@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > What's a good replacement for FTP? I remember using WinSCP back in the day > for SCP connections. IIRC, it worked with any host that has SSH setup. Or > maybe that was just a coincidence? I'm not sure. > > I've been trying to find a client for Linux that would do the same. gFTP has > a SSH connection option, but it doesn't work for the hosts which support SCP. > > Any ideas? It's using SFTP, not SCP. Both of them tunnel file transfers over SSH, but they use _totally_ different mechanisms under the covers to do this. I believe that scp requires nothing more than an ssh connection, while sftp requires something like the following line in sshd_config: Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server -- taa I'd rather listen to Newton than to Mundie. He may have been dead for almost three hundred years, but despite that he stinks up the room less. -- Linus Torvalds /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 05:58:59 2004 From: redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: secure ftp server for linux Message-ID: <20040421225859.20964.h004.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> > It's using SFTP, not SCP. Both of them tunnel file > transfers over SSH, but Thank you for your replies. I am aware of the WinSCP program for MS boxes. There is a corresponding Mac program called Nifty Telnet/SSH/SCP client that does the same thing. Both are free programs. The problem is that the Nifty program for the Macs is not intuitive, and cumbersome for newbies to easily grasp, and hence they complain about using it. It is much easier for them to use Fetch, which is a popular and easy to use ftp client for Macs. So there is my problem. I already have people using WinSCP over the SSH tunnel to transfer files, but I need to install an ftp server to satisfy the Mac clients, unless an easier program than Nifty can be obtained. HTH... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 06:38:40 2004 From: av_gill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Avtar Gill) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:38:40 -0400 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm-4xi/tfaRJV++TtN3LuOZE8GV+HDSZRyd8ZjxTxpiBLs@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <40876870.7060904@sympatico.ca> redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > I need recommendations or suggestions for an ftp > server. I am running RH7.3 [snip] > I am currently looking at wu-ftpd and pure-ftpd. > Any comments about these packages? pure-ftpd would definetly be my choice. It has no known security issues, lets you create virtual users with no login shells and ties in with SQL and LDAP servers. I don't know about Redhat 7.3 though, you might have to compile it yourself. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 12:33:20 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:33:20 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <001301c4280a$a554ab30$0101010a-kSN9fd7a3UY@public.gmane.org> References: <001301c4280a$a554ab30$0101010a@winxp> Message-ID: <4087BB90.2020909@sympatico.ca> Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > > Copying and > other text functions are restrictions of commercial software and for the > sake of documents being commercial. Just be glad you've never had to work with documents that use wilful re-encoding of character sets. Some book setting systems do this, for no good reason I can see. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 13:55:35 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:55:35 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada Message-ID: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based on a discussion that started on this very list: . Banks 'n' Browsers shows which banks worked with which browsers. I didn't expect to flag a deletion in these enlightened days of web standards, but HSBC Canada's "new and improved" online banking now actively blocks Linux browsers. They upgraded it on the weekend, and even though they claim to support Netscape 7.1, it's blocking on the fact that it doesn't find Windows or Mac in the user-agent string. The gory details: Happy Earth Day, btw! cheers, Stewart (the wind turbine guy) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:11:38 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:11:38 -0600 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <20040421225859.20964.h004.c009.wm-4xi/tfaRJV++TtN3LuOZE8GV+HDSZRyd8ZjxTxpiBLs@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421225859.20964.h004.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20040422141138.GA23911@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:58:59PM -0700, redcan-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > So there is my problem. I already have people using > WinSCP over the SSH tunnel to transfer files, but I > need to install an ftp server to satisfy the Mac > clients, unless an easier program than Nifty can be > obtained. Try Fugu. :) http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ -- taa "One measure of sanity is how closely one's internal representation of the world really resembles the world. By this measure humans are at least quite unsane." -- Ad Krzybsk /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:18:05 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211520.57657.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211520.57657.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: <20040422141805.46282.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Charly, I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? --- Charly Baker wrote: > ps -A > > or better still, install treeps > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > Charly Baker > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are running > > instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > > > > > ===== > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:35:25 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:35:25 -0400 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <20040422050918.GC7739-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <200404220029.39347.troworld@rogers.com> <20040422050918.GC7739@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <200404221035.31963.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday April 22 2004 01:09, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > > I've been trying to find a client for Linux that would do the same. gFTP > > has a SSH connection option, but it doesn't work for the hosts which > > support SCP. > > > > Any ideas? > > It's using SFTP, not SCP. Both of them tunnel file transfers over SSH, but > they use _totally_ different mechanisms under the covers to do this. > > I believe that scp requires nothing more than an ssh connection, while > sftp requires something like the following line in sshd_config: > Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server Thanks for the clarification. :) Any ideas for a graphical scp/sftp Linux client? - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAh9gzd7EQcXYRh/oRApr/AKDEUIRL8EcBrs8AKz5eLFI0mJHg+QCfSAO9 e/QD1nQCvsjuokDV9IgOOLQ= =PeKe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:41:17 2004 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format & IMAP server In-Reply-To: <20040422042003.GA4618-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422042003.GA4618@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, William Park wrote: >> http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html > >No problem with 'mbox' on all my Slackware machines. Except that, if >your mailbox is around 200MB, 'popa3d' will refuse to authenticate. :-) I guess I should say, that the mailboxes are for IMAP server. It really become a bit problem after the mailbox grow beyond 100MB. Anyway, the question is about the disadvantages of maildir / file per message format as said in that article. Thanks! -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:44:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:44:02 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:58:33PM -0400, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Few months ago in one TLUG meeting we talked about IMAP server & the > mailbox format it used. Part of it was about how maildir format is much > better than single file as a mailbox. > > Well, in 1999 Mark Crispin wrote an article about mailbox format, and he > wrote why maildir (file per message) format is not a good idea. Is his > reasoning not correct or not applicable anymore? > > http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html > ... > > There's a general reason why file/message formats are a bad idea. Just > about every filesystem in existance serializes file creation and deletions > because these manipulate the free space map. This turns out to be an > enormous problem when you start creating/deleting more than a few messages > per second; you spend all your time thrashing in the filesystem. > > It is also extremely slow to do a text search through a file/message > format mailbox. All of those open()s and close()s really add up to major > filesystem thrashing. Deleting a single message in mailbox format takes longer than maildir usually, since you have to rewrite at least part of a large file, vs just unlinking a file. If you have email with large attachments, it is much faster to open and read a the header of each file than it is to read past each attachment. If you have mainly small emails, then mailbox format is faster due to open/close overhead. It's a tradeoff really. Perhaps a better format would be some kind of database which can have just one large file, but have the indexing to help it jump to headers and such. Could even make searching faster by indexing each header field and such. no such standard of course at the moment. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 14:58:01 2004 From: cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Charly Baker) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:58:01 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040422141805.46282.qmail-YtQy2KcNWN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422141805.46282.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404221058.01526.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> I am not an RPM expert, so I recommend that you install apt, then use: apt-get install treeps or use synaptic. CB On Thursday 22 April 2004 10:18 am, Mel Seder wrote: > Hi Charly, > > I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use > rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? > > --- Charly Baker wrote: > > ps -A > > > > or better still, install treeps > > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > > > Charly Baker > > > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > > > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > > > -- > > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > -- > > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 16:45:48 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:45:48 -0600 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <200404221035.31963.troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <200404220029.39347.troworld@rogers.com> <20040422050918.GC7739@idiom.novusordo.net> <200404221035.31963.troworld@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040422164548.GA28113@idiom.novusordo.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:35:25AM -0400, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > Thanks for the clarification. :) np. :) > Any ideas for a graphical scp/sftp Linux client? I believe someone else already suggested gftp. Also realise that Konqueror can browse to sftp:// URLs. -- taa The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962) /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 17:56:40 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:56:40 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <20040422144402.GK29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040422175640.GA2805@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:44:02AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > If you have mainly small emails, then mailbox format is faster due to > open/close overhead. It's a tradeoff really. Perhaps a better format > would be some kind of database which can have just one large file, but > have the indexing to help it jump to headers and such. Could even > make searching faster by indexing each header field and such. no such > standard of course at the moment. Even better (just dreaming) is to use database filesystem. Journal filesystem is just one step in that direction. Wait... that would be bad for Oracle and DB2, no? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 16:56:33 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:56:33 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <40873656.1090605-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40873656.1090605@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <200404221256.33920.skuznets@blueprint.org> At the same time you have a pro for Maildir, which is: If you will lose one file, you will lose only one message, not all of them. Sometimes even journaling filesystems, like Ext3 can't fix the issue with lost file. On April 21, 2004 11:04 pm, Anton Markov wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Well, I am don't know much about the actual formats, but the argument > that having many small files is a performance penalty can easily be > eliminated by using a specially-designed file system like reiserfs which > can handle small files well. I think this argument is probably out-dated > by now. > > S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > > There's a general reason why file/message formats are a bad idea. Just > > about every filesystem in existance serializes file creation and > > deletions because these manipulate the free space map. This turns out to > > be an enormous problem when you start creating/deleting more than a few > > messages per second; you spend all your time thrashing in the filesystem. > > > > It is also extremely slow to do a text search through a file/message > > format mailbox. All of those open()s and close()s really add up to major > > filesystem thrashing. > > ... > > - -- > Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> > > GnuPG Key fingerprint = > 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 > > *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAhzZeRreNkzrRRLQRAgiGAJ9lwNtjx+h5TCtQfxzzq/BRvVIiZQCff4KQ > fiFjrhCd0/Xaq1YJcTu1+QA= > =4GdW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 19:32:34 2004 From: lists-jiQtrEI3vUxWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <20040422144402.GK29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >> http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html > >Deleting a single message in mailbox format takes longer than maildir >usually, since you have to rewrite at least part of a large file, vs >just unlinking a file. That's probably why in IMAP, we tag messages to be deleted before actually delete them (expunge) in group (several messages at once). >If you have email with large attachments, it is much faster to open and >read a the header of each file than it is to read past each attachment. In mbx format, there is a pointer to jump over messages quickly. >If you have mainly small emails, then mailbox format is faster due to >open/close overhead. It's a tradeoff really. Perhaps a better format >would be some kind of database which can have just one large file, but >have the indexing to help it jump to headers and such. Could even make >searching faster by indexing each header field and such. The article said in the end about using database as mailboxes. Is there any development on mail library -- and consequentially IMAP server, POP server, etc. -- that use database engine as it backend? -- Stephan Paul Arif Sahari Wibowo _____ _____ _____ _____ /____ /____/ /____/ /____ _____/ / / / _____/ http://www.arifsaha.com/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 20:44:40 2004 From: fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org (fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:44:40 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file Message-ID: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> It is one of the NBIB pressure valve certification pdf's that can be had at: http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html unfortunately you have to go via Gatesware to get them (self extracting exe). Original Message: ----------------- From: Noah John Gellner noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0 at public.gmane.org.ca Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:59:19 -0400 To: tlug-9T/cS7aRwQ8 at public.gmane.orgs.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: extracting text from PDF file Are you able to disclose the document that you are trying to convert? I wonder if Redhat hasn't disabled some functionality in pdftotext. I use the app all the time to view pdf attachments on my console. To test again, I downloaded a random pdf document and it worked very well. I would be interested to see if there are documents that are internally limited or if this is something imposed by Redhat. Noah On 13:35 Wed 21 Apr , fcsoft-3Emkkp+1OlsAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org.net wrote: > > When I run it fails saying that > > "copying text from this document is not allowed". > > Am I SOL or are there any bright ideas? -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 20:52:26 2004 From: pallen3-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Patrick Allen) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:52:26 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <4087CED7.2080201-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <4088308A.5030201@cogeco.ca> Stewart C. Russell wrote: > I didn't expect to flag a deletion in these enlightened days of web > standards, but HSBC Canada's "new and improved" online banking now > actively blocks Linux browsers. Doesn't Konqueror now have a function that lets you change how it identifies itself? On that same note, would something like this work on Linux? http://www.reviewedinfo.org/quicktips/mozilla/#toc4 PA -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 21:05:18 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:05:18 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <4088308A.5030201-iRg7kjdsKiH3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <4088308A.5030201@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <4088338E.6070204@sympatico.ca> Patrick Allen wrote: > > Doesn't Konqueror now have a function that lets you change how it > identifies itself? I'm guessing it just spoofs the user agent, like the UA extension I tried on Mozilla. HSBC uses some fairly extensive JavaScript checks to work out what the browser is. > On that same note, would something like this work on Linux? > http://www.reviewedinfo.org/quicktips/mozilla/#toc4 That's what the UA changer tools do. thanks anyway, Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 21:08:02 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: using yum to get apt-get or apt Message-ID: <20040422210802.94445.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> The commands below aren't getting either apt-get or apt. How can I get these debian favorites for Fedora CORE 1 ? [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt-get Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Cannot find a package matching apt-get No actions to take [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Cannot find a package matching apt No actions to take ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 21:15:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:15:02 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040422211502.GL29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 03:32:34PM -0400, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > That's probably why in IMAP, we tag messages to be deleted before actually > delete them (expunge) in group (several messages at once). True. > In mbx format, there is a pointer to jump over messages quickly. Not that I have ever noticed. What does it look like? To me mbx appears to be plain header content header content etc. Maybe I missed some magic field. > The article said in the end about using database as mailboxes. > > Is there any development on mail library -- and consequentially IMAP > server, POP server, etc. -- that use database engine as it backend? It certainly seems like something that could be done. But given how many email clients thereare most of which do their opwn thing, I guess it makes it hard to implement. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 21:15:38 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:15:38 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <99610-22004442220444069-1ljANA5RiA6Z8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <408835FA.8040001@sympatico.ca> fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html > > unfortunately you have to go via Gatesware to get them (self extracting > exe). it's a self-extracting Zip file -- Linux unzip will handle it. There used to be a PDF encryption patch for GhostScript -- can't seem to find it any more. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 21:50:03 2004 From: linux-cOjNTMaGA5U at public.gmane.org (Ian Goldberg) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 17:50:03 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <408835FA.8040001-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> <408835FA.8040001@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040422215003.GC12048@paip.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 05:15:38PM -0400, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > >http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html > > > >unfortunately you have to go via Gatesware to get them (self extracting > >exe). > > it's a self-extracting Zip file -- Linux unzip will handle it. > > There used to be a PDF encryption patch for GhostScript -- can't seem to > find it any more. Recent ghostscript has it already included. At least on my system, it's /usr/share/gs/7.05/pdf_sec.ps . - Ian -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 22:29:42 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:29:42 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404221829.42843.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 22:58, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > Well, in 1999 Mark Crispin wrote an article about mailbox format, and he > wrote why maildir (file per message) format is not a good idea. Is his > reasoning not correct or not applicable anymore? > > http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html I think the article was written by someone with an extreme bias and investment in mbox format ... since it's posted on UW's site I assume that Mark is someone involved with the UW-IMAP project (my ASSumptions could be wrong). 3rd paragraph, he says: A flat-file format mailbox is always a file, never a directory. This means that it is impossible to have a flat-file format mailbox that has inferior mailbox names under it (so-called "dual-usage" mailboxes). For some inexplicable reason, some people want this. I have a Debian folder into which a bunch of debian mailing lists are filtered (announce, security, etc). These lists are fairly low traffic so I choose not to create dedicated folders for them. At the same time I have debian-user which is _very_ high traffic. That I file in Debian->User->Year->Month. He implies that my chosen email filing method is bizarre contortion. You don't suppose that he might be slightly biased since his IMAP implementation is not capable filing email like this. ... or maybe I'm just being overly sensitive at being called a non-conformist ;-) > There's a general reason why file/message formats are a bad idea. Just > about every filesystem in existance serializes file creation and deletions > because these manipulate the free space map. This turns out to be an > enormous problem when you start creating/deleting more than a few messages > per second; you spend all your time thrashing in the filesystem. > > It is also extremely slow to do a text search through a file/message > format mailbox. All of those open()s and close()s really add up to major > filesystem thrashing. While I expect there is some validity to the above claims I don't think it's that relevant. Maybe disk/cpu have speeded up in the 5 years since he wrote this or maybe he was just grasping at straws to try to keep people from deserting his mail storage format. I have asked the maildir question myself on other lists and I have seen repeated discussions about it. I don't recall anyone, anywhere, ever recommending mbox (flat file) over maildir. Russell Coker (Debian developer/bonnie++/etc) who is a big proponent of maildir mentions that he has built multiple servers that host 200,000 users (single server) with mbox I doubt it would be possible (maybe with insanely low quotas). I've seen good hardware grind to a halt because of mbox/uw-imap when only handling 25-50 users), those same machines performed like racehorses once converted over to Maildir/courier-imap ... these are real conversions that I have done, night-and-day difference Maildir isn't without it's problems ... lots of small files can make some processes much slower (like a backup using tar). You should be careful about your choice of filesystem if you are building a very large system or expect huge mailboxes. Reiserfs is well regarded for Maildir storage though with recent kernels the older guys (and additional choices) might have caught up. Another Maildir advantage is that it is very easy to script since every email is an individual file. A couple of lines in plain old shell can very easily manipulate your email ... try that with a folder (mbox) where all your messages are crammed into a huge file (it's harder). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 22:37:53 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:37:53 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404221837.53528.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 22 April 2004 15:32, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > The article said in the end about using database as mailboxes. > > Is there any development on mail library -- and consequentially IMAP > server, POP server, etc. -- that use database engine as it backend? It depends on what you mean by database. I have heard of one mail server that uses a sql database for everything, look at http://www.dbmail.org/ Searching my emails using SQL statements instead of grep (or just IMAP) doesn't appeal to me so I have never tried it, I'd be interested to hear how things go if you do try it out. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 22:46:35 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:46:35 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040422141805.46282.qmail-YtQy2KcNWN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422141805.46282.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40884B4B.1090909@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Mel Seder wrote: > I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use > rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? Um, according to the filename, you downloaded the MD5 Checksum file for the real RPM package "treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm". Of course I could be wrong, so check the size of the file (ls -l) to make sure it is more than a few hundred bytes. In any case, the command you specified _is the correct_ command to install RPM packages. Just make sure you execute it as root. - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAiEtTRreNkzrRRLQRAl9JAKCKUQRyT87FoX68onrWT05yQ/+muACdFehH lzU8lfWlzY4v90+OqIMO4ww= =uniJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 23:02:37 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:02:37 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <200404212033.40520.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <000f01c427fb$da806a60$0101010a@winxp> <012801c42801$ae1708c0$e001010a@iypp14wn76l7h3> <200404212033.40520.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200404221902.37412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 21 April 2004 20:33, Fred Nastos wrote: > > From: "Sergey Semenyuk" > > > > - ???? 389/tcp [snip] > It looks fine here with KMail (on fedora core 1). I believe that I also see it fine, it looks very similar to nopT except that the "n" is square and the "T" is only as high as the other lowercase English letters. kmail 3.2.2 in Debian. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 00:48:49 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:48:49 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040422043438.GA4787-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> <20040421230130.68518473.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040422043438.GA4787@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040422204849.2a9e942e.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:34:38 -0400 William Park disseminated the following: > > :0 > > * ^From.*jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > { > > :0 > > /dev/null > > } > > Or, to reject during SMTP dialog, > /etc/mail/access: > jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org REJECT I'll call Sympatico and have them put that in. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." -- George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 22:31:38 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:31:38 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <99610-22004442220444069-1ljANA5RiA6Z8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <408847CA.6020006@sympatico.ca> fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html ps2ascii from GS 7.01 (at least the version on my Gentoo box) extracts the text just fine. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 01:16:38 2004 From: clifford_ilkay-biY6FKoJMRdBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (CLIFFORD ILKAY) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:16:38 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <20040422175640.GA2805-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040422175640.GA2805@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040422211423.02074898@localhost> At 13:56 22/04/2004 -0400, William Park wrote: >On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:44:02AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > If you have mainly small emails, then mailbox format is faster due to > > open/close overhead. It's a tradeoff really. Perhaps a better format > > would be some kind of database which can have just one large file, but > > have the indexing to help it jump to headers and such. Could even > > make searching faster by indexing each header field and such. no such > > standard of course at the moment. > >Even better (just dreaming) is to use database filesystem. Journal >filesystem is just one step in that direction. Wait... that would be >bad for Oracle and DB2, no? I believe Longhorn uses SQL Server for its filesystem. BeOS had some database engine for its filesystem I think. Lotus Notes has the option of using DB2 for storage. I just started reading about Subversion and am intrigued at the idea of trying it out as a filesystem. Regards, Clifford Ilkay Dinamis Corporation 3266 Yonge Street, Suite 1419 Toronto, Ontario Canada M4N 3P6 Tel: 416-410-3326 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 01:54:27 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: treeps.rpm In-Reply-To: <200404221058.01526.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200404221058.01526.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: <20040423015427.8263.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know what I did wrong yesterday but I got a proper treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm today. I installed it but got an error message as follows. [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org Download]# rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:treeps ########################################### [100%] error: %post(treeps-1.2-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org Download]# I googled the error but found nothing :-) Maybe it doesn't like Fedora CORE 1 ? --- Charly Baker wrote: > I am not an RPM expert, so I recommend that you install apt, then use: > apt-get install treeps > or use synaptic. > > CB > > On Thursday 22 April 2004 10:18 am, Mel Seder wrote: > > Hi Charly, > > > > I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use > > rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? > > > > --- Charly Baker wrote: > > > ps -A > > > > > > or better still, install treeps > > > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > > > > > Charly Baker > > > > > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't doing > > > > anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full blast. > > > > > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 02:03:59 2004 From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:03:59 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <200404221902.37412.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <000f01c427fb$da806a60$0101010a@winxp> <200404212033.40520.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <200404221902.37412.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404222203.59125.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> On April 22, 2004 07:02 pm, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 20:33, Fred Nastos wrote: > > > From: "Sergey Semenyuk" > > > > > > - ???? 389/tcp > > [snip] > > > It looks fine here with KMail (on fedora core 1). > > I believe that I also see it fine, it looks very similar to nopT except > that the "n" is square and the "T" is only as high as the other lowercase > English letters. > > kmail 3.2.2 in Debian. Looks like that in Kontact 0.8/Kmail 1.6.1 on KDE 3.2 on LinuxMandrake 10.0 . Should I use a particular charset to see it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 02:42:02 2004 From: anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Anton Markov) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:42:02 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20040422211423.02074898-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040422211423.02074898@localhost> Message-ID: <4088827A.7090108@truxtar.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > I believe Longhorn uses SQL Server for its filesystem. Actually, the new WinFS is simply an NTFS filesystem with an SQL database used to store detailed metadata about the files. The files themselves are still stored in NTFS. And I wouldn't mention WinFS when talking about performance; we all know the minimal requirements for Windows Longhorn will include a P4 2.4GHz :) - -- Anton Markov <("anton" + "@" + "truxtar" + "." + "com")> GnuPG Key fingerprint = 5546 A6E2 1FFB 9BB8 15C3 CE34 46B7 8D93 3AD1 44B4 *** LINUX - MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! *** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAiIJ9RreNkzrRRLQRAq8LAJ9HHHcmZSiI8FqTcX1gJL1wVnExywCgjcBM mc2BT7mkBeFV+8xQKpuRmvg= =tgmM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 03:46:31 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:46:31 -0400 Subject: fonts tricks in e-mail In-Reply-To: <200404222203.59125.dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404222203.59125.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> Message-ID: <000001c428e5$9dc43580$0101010a@winxp> CP1251. Should look exactly like Fraser mentioned. It was not a trick, just forgot to remove Cyrillic from the text (as I said, the program's output was all in Russian, but I just missed one word). Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Duncan MacGregor Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:04 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: fonts tricks in e-mail On April 22, 2004 07:02 pm, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 20:33, Fred Nastos wrote: > > > From: "Sergey Semenyuk" > > > > > > - ???? 389/tcp > > [snip] > > > It looks fine here with KMail (on fedora core 1). > > I believe that I also see it fine, it looks very similar to nopT except > that the "n" is square and the "T" is only as high as the other lowercase > English letters. > > kmail 3.2.2 in Debian. Looks like that in Kontact 0.8/Kmail 1.6.1 on KDE 3.2 on LinuxMandrake 10.0 . Should I use a particular charset to see it? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 03:51:06 2004 From: serge_ss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Sergey Semenyuk) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:51:06 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040422204849.2a9e942e.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422204849.2a9e942e.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <000101c428e6$34f7ca20$0101010a@winxp> In fact, I though if it possible to allow people register and deregister themselves as Out of anything, so that the list's robot(I mean script) could react accordingly. It was just a thought. If people are interested I could come up with something. Sergey -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 8:49 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: Auto Reply (agian) On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:34:38 -0400 William Park disseminated the following: > > :0 > > * ^From.*jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > { > > :0 > > /dev/null > > } > > Or, to reject during SMTP dialog, > /etc/mail/access: > jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org REJECT I'll call Sympatico and have them put that in. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." -- George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 03:53:00 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: Auto Reply (agian) In-Reply-To: <20040422204849.2a9e942e.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <001401c4280b$4a4602b0$0101010a@winxp> <20040421230130.68518473.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040422043438.GA4787@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040422204849.2a9e942e.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040423035300.GA835@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:48:49PM -0400, JoeHill wrote: > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:34:38 -0400 > William Park disseminated the following: > > > > :0 > > > * ^From.*jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org > > > { > > > :0 > > > /dev/null > > > } > > > > Or, to reject during SMTP dialog, > > /etc/mail/access: > > jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org REJECT > > I'll call Sympatico and have them put that in. Is there a reason why Drew is not unsubscribing this guy? -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 04:03:55 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:03:55 -0400 Subject: Killing spam In-Reply-To: <20040421050948.GA1513-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <20040421001046.6b3d0ebc.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040421050948.GA1513@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040423040355.GA846@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 01:09:48AM -0400, William Park wrote: > For me, I delete Microsoft Swen spams from my public POP accounts, and > reject it during DATA portion of SMTP connection on my own Sendmail > server. The pattern I use to identify Swen worm is > boundary="[a-z]+" Microsoft Netsky spams are getting bothersome. At 42kB each, 4 of them are same as 1 Swen worm. FYI, they can be identified by boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016" boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA8...B015D10" -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 22 20:26:35 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:26:35 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211520.57657.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421191120.7057.qmail@web40710.mail.yahoo.com> <200404211520.57657.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Charly Baker wrote: > ps -A ps -auxwf|less should do it but could be confusing. netstat -tuan|less should reveal more (it must be some network activity). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 15:06:54 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:06:54 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <99610-22004442220444069-1ljANA5RiA6Z8YYJsr7BYUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > It is one of the NBIB pressure valve certification pdf's that can be had at: http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html unfortunately you have to go via Gatesware to get them (self extracting exe). Download the 'self extracting exe' and run unzip on it (under linux). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 15:28:41 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:28:41 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? Message-ID: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. I would be very happy to disable hard wordwrapping on vi. Cheers, Noah -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 16:45:55 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:45:55 -0400 Subject: Nautilus Woes (and Greatness) In-Reply-To: <1082477863.2678.11.camel-248nrIFxrsEvhQDQrEiaqAi/Dn5oqdb4930Pai70D+E@public.gmane.org> References: <20040414202314.0542c217@localhost> <1082000521.5564.4.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <6.0.3.0.2.20040415002706.02d38c50@pop1.sympatico.ca> <1082076452.8313.8.camel@stimpy.mora.ca> <1082168807.1681.7.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> <40845959.1090906@sympatico.ca> <40854BEF.6050007@utoronto.ca> <1082477863.2678.11.camel@groundstate.chem.yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20040423124555.7dd8d5f2.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:17:44 -0400 Austin Acton disseminated the following: > > If you have a directory full of jpegs, Nautilus will render them as > > thumbprints. > > Or as a photo gallery (if you have eog installed). And it will show > thumbprints of movies (if you have gstreamer installed). And it will > let you browse http/ftp/rsync/whatever inside the window (including > smb/windows shares). And it will burn CD's in an extremely simple way > (if you have the cd-burner extension installed). You can add notes and > emblems to any file. You can track your file browsing history. You can > view as icons, lists, or trees. It will also list several different > applications for each mime type. > > Of course, a LOT of this has been skimmed off in gnome 2.6. The new > behavior is almost exactly like Windows 98 (if you recall). They swear > that it's "better" and that I'll "get used to it", but after only two > weeks, I still want to scratch my eyes out every time I use it. Amazing > how static our behaviour is. All of these things (except tree view), AFAIK, can be done with ROX filer, a much more lightweight and flexible file manager. urpmi rox-lib, and yer good to go! (thanks to G?tz Waschk). Might take a bit of fiddling at first to get it where you want it, but it's worth it. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves." -- Howard Zinn -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 16:49:42 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:49:42 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423152841.GA4053-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:28:41 -0400 Noah John Gellner disseminated the following: > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. >From what I understand, it's for people who don't use a GUI at all, they read their mail in text mode with Mutt or Pine. Remember, a community is judged by how it treats the least of its members :-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate ... necessarily accurate ... it might also not be inaccurate, but I mean ... I'm disinclined to mislead anyone." -- Donald Rumsfeld -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 17:04:55 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:04:55 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040423130455.7dd4125b.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:49:42 -0400 JoeHill wrote: > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:28:41 -0400 > Noah John Gellner disseminated the following: > > > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. > > From what I understand, it's for people who don't use a GUI at all, they read > their mail in text mode with Mutt or Pine. > > Remember, a community is judged by how it treats the least of its members :-) Hooo boy, am I dating myself. Yep, that's right, 80 columns or less is built into a *lot* of older stuff. It would be nice if there was some standard way for all readers and backend processes to handle formatting, but we're not there yet :-( It's quite fascinating how that 80 column limit still hangs around. It started on punch cards, then the first terminals used it because they were mainly used to enter data to programs that expected card images and it just keeps lurking :-) Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 17:15:32 2004 From: jschaap-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (J. Schaap) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:15:32 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423130455.7dd4125b.rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040423130455.7dd4125b.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <1082740532.5102.6.camel@lnx2.bobach.org> It probably pre-dates computer era. Typewriters used 10 cpi and on a 8.5" sheet would be 80 columns plus 1/4 " margins. Boy, that makes me really old remembering that I used a typewriter 55 years ago J. Schaap On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 13:04, Rob Sutherland wrote: > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:49:42 -0400 > JoeHill wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:28:41 -0400 > > Noah John Gellner disseminated the following: > > > > > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > > > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > > > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > > > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > > > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. > > > > From what I understand, it's for people who don't use a GUI at all, they read > > their mail in text mode with Mutt or Pine. > > > > Remember, a community is judged by how it treats the least of its members :-) > > Hooo boy, am I dating myself. Yep, that's right, 80 columns or less is built > into a *lot* of older stuff. It would be nice if there was some standard way > for all readers and backend processes to handle formatting, but we're not there > yet :-( > > It's quite fascinating how that 80 column limit still hangs around. It started on > punch cards, then the first terminals used it because they were mainly used to enter > data to programs that expected card images and it just keeps lurking :-) > > Rob -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 17:41:24 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:41:24 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423130455.7dd4125b.rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill@sympatico.ca> <20040423130455.7dd4125b.rob@cheapersafer.com> Message-ID: <20040423174124.GA25343@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:04:55PM -0400, Rob Sutherland wrote: > Hooo boy, am I dating myself. Yep, that's right, 80 columns or less is built > into a *lot* of older stuff. It would be nice if there was some standard way > for all readers and backend processes to handle formatting, but we're not there > yet :-( > > It's quite fascinating how that 80 column limit still hangs around. It started on > punch cards, then the first terminals used it because they were mainly used to enter > data to programs that expected card images and it just keeps lurking :-) Terminals also used 80 columns because that was a comfortable match to the limits of hardware of the day - both for computing and generating the image in real time with the number of electronic components that made economic sense, and for the limits of the CRT display. For a while, terminal manufacturers used advancing capabilities to provide better displays at the same resolution (going from 4x6 or 5x7 pixels per character to finer grained images of much improved readability while remaining at 24 lines of 80 characters. When DEC came out with the VT100 they offered the option of switching display width from 80 columns to 132 - they could do this because display and controller technology was then capable of providing a readable image at the higher resolution. 132 columns matched typical line printer widths, so that instead of just matching the "standard" input format, you could display the "standard" output format. That was the original instance of WYSIWYG, from before printers and displays acquired the full graphic image capability required for for huge numbers of fonts with dynamic character widths and such. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:07:59 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:07:59 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF In-Reply-To: <200404202247.56967.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <1082514568.1273.8.camel@rincewind.discworld> <200404202247.56967.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <200404231407.59153.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 20 April 2004 22:47, Jeremy Baker wrote: > FWIW, I just implemented greylisting on my mailserver. If you want more > info, see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ As mentioned postfix features were added to support greylisting using "SMTPD policy delegation". I've never looked at sendmail's milter interface but I suspect that this is a similar thing. The version of postfix with these features is no longer experimental, it was recently blessed as the official stable release (v2.1). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:14:40 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: search engine pollution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040423181440.GA3519@smeagol> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 12:19:26AM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > I have htdig installed to search documents on my own machine and I have > noticed that a particular document may be hard to find because it seldomly > refers to itself, whereas many others refer to it. F.ex. searching for rfc > ftp one will find all the assigned numbers and protocol lists, with the > real ftp protocols scoring and ranking low (in the first few tens over > 700+ matches in this case). What would be a way to improve this without > using META tags and such (not all documents are text). Using the full > title also does not help. The referrers also use the full title ... Assuming the pages are marked up with some kind of semantic markup language, you can adjust the rankings of the headings and titles of a document. You really need to read the documentation that goes with ht://dig. http://www.htdig.org/confindex.html Specifically: title_factor: http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#title_factor heading_factor: http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#heading_factor emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:20:57 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:20:57 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF In-Reply-To: <200404202247.56967.jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <1082514568.1273.8.camel@rincewind.discworld> <200404202247.56967.jab@muskokatech.ca> Message-ID: <200404231420.57317.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 20 April 2004 22:47, Jeremy Baker wrote: > FWIW, I just implemented greylisting on my mailserver. If you want more > info, see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ Have you run into any problems with greylisting? I know Supercom tried emailing me once and because the primary MX was down their email to me bounced ... their mailer did not keep the message queued nor did it try the secondary MX. Perhaps problems like that are not widespread? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:36:58 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:36:58 -0600 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423152841.GA4053-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040423183658.GC71421@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:28:41AM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for We don't. We wrap our columns at 66 characters, as suggested by Nettiquette. > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The (and for dramatic effect) > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it > can be unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of > readers wrap? The They do, but it can still be a bit unsightly because not everyone wraps exactly the same way. > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. That's why we do 66 characters, and why forwards should NOT include any sort of prebits. > I would be very happy to disable hard wordwrapping on vi. Then turn it off and use soft wrapping. The only trick there is that when you tell it to move down a line, it'll move down a paragraph instead. If you're using vim, though, there's a very neat solution to ugly wrapping: gqap That will reformat the paragraph using your current textwidth settings AND it will reformat most common reply indicators. See above what it can do for you (under "for dramatic effect")! I agree that it's a horrible problem. People should never have been forced to add implicit carriage returns in e-mail, as clients should always have wrapped appropriately. The reply structure then gets a bit ugly; that's where the text format itself breaks down because it relies on custom to define the structure instead of metadata to define the different contexts. This kind of thing was never a problem in the past, because everyone followed standard procedures, or at least had secretaries that knew the standard procedures. The curse of desktop publishing and webpages and all is the mass of people who each think that he/she knows better. That's why you get 12 font documents, and people who use LaTeX complain so bitterly. Vi should probably also have a "when I say down I mean by one line that I see, not by one \n delimitedl ine" for the purposes of editing text documents instead of config files or code. Maybe it does and I'm ignorant and nobody ever thought to get mutt to do that by default. I just started reading The Humane Interface. I think it's already rubbing off on me. ;) -- taa The most critical and formative experiences are those provided to the developing child in the incubator of the family and, optimally, by a vital, invested community. --Bruce D. Perry /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:45:08 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:45:08 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040422141805.46282.qmail-YtQy2KcNWN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211520.57657.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> <20040422141805.46282.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040422112914.02f06ac0@mail.interlog.com> Greetings, Charly. At 10:18 AM 04/22/2004, you wrote: >I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use >rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? The file you want to download and install should normally end in .rpm only and not .md5sum. The file ending in .md5sum is probably the smaller file and is just the file you would use to ensure that the installable file was downloaded properly. Several years I ran across a similar situation of unexpected high level of network activity on a Silicon Graphics computer. 'ps' didn't tell me anything useful. It was netstat that was more helpful in determining that an external company was running a search engine that wasn't limiting the rate at which it was accessing the web pages on the machine. I dealt with it by adding a route for their IP address to a non-existent IP address in the local network and reported the problem to the other company. There was no need for you to reboot the machine. Since you indicated your computer wasn't doing anything that need the cable modem at the time, you could have temporarily shutdown the network support (ie. /sbin/service network stop). Anyone with access to the net (especially via cable modem or DSL and even if only a dial-up modem) should use some form of firewall. The part of the portscan of your machine indicated was reported in another message indicated that you have open ports for LDAP, some unspecified service on port 1002, and a SQL database on port 1720. Unless you need to make these ports accessible to people outside your local network, you should do something to limit access to these ports. One simple solution is to use a script like monmotha. You set a few variables in the first part of the script specifying what should and should not be accessible to the local network and to the Internet and the rest of the script uses iptable commands to build the rules to protect your machine. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 18:58:53 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:58:53 -0400 Subject: treeps.rpm In-Reply-To: <20040423015427.8263.qmail-YtQy2KcNWN2A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423015427.8263.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404231458.53988.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On April 22, 2004 09:54 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > I don't know what I did wrong yesterday but I got a proper > treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm > today. > > I installed it but got an error message as follows. > > [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org Download]# rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] 1:treeps ########################################### > [100%] error: %post(treeps-1.2-2) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 > [root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org Download]# > > I googled the error but found nothing :-) > > Maybe it doesn't like Fedora CORE 1 ? I saw this discussion on treeps yesterday and decided to try it out. It installed on FC1 no problem. Actually, the installation gave an error which seemed to imply that treeps didn't install, and so I tried to compile the generic source package. When I went to compile the program though the configuration script indicated that treeps was in fact installed. That is, rpm did succeed. I had so much fun playing with treeps that I forgot to hunt down the problem. So, even though you got an erroe on installation, check that maybe treeps is actaully installed. > --- Charly Baker wrote: > > I am not an RPM expert, so I recommend that you install apt, then use: > > apt-get install treeps > > or use synaptic. > > > > CB > > > > On Thursday 22 April 2004 10:18 am, Mel Seder wrote: > > > Hi Charly, > > > > > > I downloaded treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum. Do I use > > > rpm -Uvh treeps-1.2-2.i386.rpm.md5sum to install it? > > > > > > --- Charly Baker wrote: > > > > ps -A > > > > > > > > or better still, install treeps > > > > http://www.orbit2orbit.com/gmd/tps/treepsfm.html > > > > > > > > Charly Baker > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 21 April 2004 3:11 pm, Mel Seder wrote: > > > > > I left the computer on and went for lunch. The computer wasn't > > > > > doing anything that used the modem and I had no scheduled jobs. > > > > > > > > > > When I came back from lunch the cable model was going at full > > > > > blast. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a command or something I can do to see what processes are > > > > > running instead of just shutting down the computer? > > ===== > The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him > absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- _______________________________________________________ Fred Nastos Ph.D. Candidate Department of Physics Tel: 416-978-4364 University of Toronto Fax: 416-978-2537 60 St. George Street Toronto, ON M5S 1A7 Web: www.physics.utoronto.ca/~nastos _______________________________________________________ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:06:06 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:06:06 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <408847CA.6020006-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> <408847CA.6020006@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404231506.06887.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> I saw this thread, and I have a related question. Does anyone have a good way to extract images from a PDF file? In Windows, you can apparently use the "image extract tool" located in the menubar of acrobat reader, but I cannot get that "tool" to work in linux. I tried converting to ps, then using gimp and cropping, etc... but the resulting image had bad resolution. Thanks On April 22, 2004 06:31 pm, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > fcsoft-3Emkkp+1Olsmp8TqCH86vg at public.gmane.org wrote: > > http://nationalboard.org/Redbook/redbook.html > > ps2ascii from GS 7.01 (at least the version on my Gentoo box) extracts > the text just fine. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:32:35 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:32:35 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <200404231506.06887.nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> <408847CA.6020006@sympatico.ca> <200404231506.06887.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <40896F53.4030808@sympatico.ca> Fred Nastos wrote: > > Does anyone have a good way to extract images from a PDF file? pdfimages, from the xpdf package: While I'm here, I might as well also mention pdftohtml , which makes a fantastic job of converting PDF to HTML layouts. F'rinstance, I generated this from . Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:44:18 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040422112914.02f06ac0-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040422112914.02f06ac0@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <20040423194418.8185.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, ChCharly > > At 10:18 AM 04/22/2004, you wrote: > >I downloaded trtreeps.2-2.i386.rpm.mdmdum. Do I use > >rpm -UvUvhrtreeps.2-2.i386.rpm.mdmdum to install it? > > The file you want to download and install should normally end in .rpm only > and not .mdmdum. The file ending in .mdmdum is probably the smaller file > and is just the file you would use to ensure that the installable file was > downloaded properly. I've dealt with mdmdum files before but never ones that ended in .rpm.mdmdum. I went back to the same same page and tried the download again and it came across as a regular .rpm. It may very well have been that the .rpm.mdmdsumas in fact a check sum type of file but I never saw it again and it didn't even appear in FCFCs download manager. And I wasn't smoking any cigarette type things :-) > > Several years I ran across a similar situation of unexpected high level of > network activity on a Silicon Graphics computer. 'pspsdidn't tell me > anything useful. It was nenetstathat was more helpful in determining that > an external company was running a search engine that wasn't limiting the > rate at which it was accessing the web pages on the machine. I dealt with > it by adding a route for their IPIPddress to a non-existent IPIPddress in > the local network and reported the problem to the other company. I'm not running any type of server but the above is interesting. > > There was no need for you to reboot the machine. Since you indicated your > computer wasn't doing anything that need the cable modem at the time, you > could have temporarily shutdown the network support (ieie/sbsbinervice > network stop). Right you are I take it the syntax would be #/sbsbinervice network stop. Is that correct? > > Anyone with access to the net (especially via cable modem or DSDSLnd even > if only a dial-up modem) should use some form of firewall. The part of the > poportscanf your machine indicated was reported in another message > indicated that you have open ports for LDLDAPsome unspecified service on > port 1002, and a SQSQLatabase on port 1720. Unless you need to make these > ports accessible to people outside your local network, you should do > something to limit access to these ports. Uh Oh! My router only has the ssh port forwarded. Come to think of it I don't know how ftp, hthttpnd possibly others are able to communicate as they have not been forwarded by my router. Is there a place to look to see if LDLDAPnd SQSQLan be disabled? I assume that they are not needed unless I am running LDLDAPnd SQSQLhich I don't think I am running? > > One simple solution is to use a script like momonmothaYou set a few > variables in the first part of the script specifying what should and should > not be accessible to the local network and to the Internet and the rest of > the script uses ipiptableommands to build the rules to protect your machine. I've been to Grateful Dead concerts, done skydiving once and way back when took an assembly language course on punch cards for an IBM 370. I've hand assembled code for a Motorola 6809 on a TRTRS0 color computer and written programs in C. However I'm scared to death of IPIPtablesnd fifilewalls If you know of a site about momonmothaor dummies/(network impaired) newbies let me know and alallthough can't prpromise'll try it I do prpromise will read it or at least read it until I get too scared :-) Thanks for your response to my problem. > > > Cheers! > > Kevin. (hthttp/wwwwwninterlogom/~kckcozens > > Owner of ElElecraft2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > E-mail:kckcozenst ininterlogot com|"Same thing we always do, PiPinkutus > Packet:veveysybeveryracon.on.ca.nana Try to assimilate the world!" > #include > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: hthttp/tltlugsssrorg> TLTLUGequests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNUNSUBSCRIBEhthttp/tltlugsssrorgubscribe.shshtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:52:59 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:52:59 -0400 Subject: DVD Burning and Viewing In-Reply-To: <3FE358EC.5000802-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20031219095248.55772c81.jmyshrall@golden.net> <3FE358EC.5000802@truxtar.com> Message-ID: Hi, Can anyone point me to some gratis DVD compression software? ie the "output" being "dvd" format , not a transformation. Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:56:18 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:56:18 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040423124942.37f61b6d.joehill@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <493DCC72-9560-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 23-Apr-04, at 12:49, JoeHill wrote: > >> From what I understand, it's for people who don't use a GUI at all, >> they read > their mail in text mode with Mutt or Pine. Though these too can be cfg to handle long lines well. > Remember, a community is judged by how it treats the least of its > members :-) Yeah, but are these members fictitious :-() -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 19:59:59 2004 From: nastos-JAjqph6Yjy8fbXvGcxQkLSwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Fred Nastos) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:59:59 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <40896F53.4030808-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <99610-22004442220444069@M2W039.mail2web.com> <200404231506.06887.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> <40896F53.4030808@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404231559.59876.nastos@physics.utoronto.ca> On April 23, 2004 03:32 pm, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Fred Nastos wrote: > > Does anyone have a good way to extract images from a PDF file? > > pdfimages, from the xpdf package: I've tried pdfimages; It doesn't work for the document I'm interested in. The document has some funny way (i.e non-typical) way of including eps images. > While I'm here, I might as well also mention pdftohtml > , which makes a fantastic job of > converting PDF to HTML layouts. F'rinstance, I generated this Thanks. I just tried it, and it does work for some documents (quite well), but not for the one I'm working with right now. Guess I'll keep trying... or ask a Windows-friend to extract them for me. Thanks > from > . > > Stewart > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 20:01:12 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:01:12 -0400 Subject: User Engineering -was- Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423183658.GC71421-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040423183658.GC71421@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: On 23-Apr-04, at 14:36, Taavi Burns wrote: > I just started reading The Humane Interface. I think it's already > rubbing off on me. ;) Consider reading The Design of Everyday Things IBM has a sic ;-) term , User Engineering ~_^ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 20:57:32 2004 From: Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kerry Panchoo) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:32 -0400 Subject: Open Sourced Project Management solutions Message-ID: <4089833C.80600@rogers.com> Hi, can you recommend any open sourced project management applications for an intranet. We're looking for features such as task/job/project templates, easily editable and very stable and reliable. Thanks in advanced. Kerry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 21:02:43 2004 From: wmcgilvery-6d3DWWOeJtE at public.gmane.org (Wil McGilvery) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:02:43 -0400 Subject: Open Sourced Project Management solutions Message-ID: <65B7B304AA3DE147BBD33938FE204E2890510D@lynchmail.lynch.msft> We use PHPCollab. It is a lightweight project management tool. Works well for us. http://www.php-collab.com/ Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406? FAX www.LynchDigital.com -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Panchoo [mailto:Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org; ttlug Subject: [TLUG]: Open Sourced Project Management solutions Hi, can you recommend any open sourced project management applications for an intranet. We're looking for features such as task/job/project templates, easily editable and very stable and reliable. Thanks in advanced. Kerry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 21:14:05 2004 From: jab-76OBl6+JcyzDN57Tih+YPw at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Baker) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:14:05 -0400 Subject: Killing spam - SPF In-Reply-To: <200404231420.57317.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <40852F27.3030908@alteeve.com> <200404202247.56967.jab@muskokatech.ca> <200404231420.57317.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <200404231714.06491.jab@muskokatech.ca> I haven't experienced any problems yet. I have been keeping an eye on the rejects to make sure I don't miss anything. My mail server doesn't handle a huge volume of mail or users though. You may have to keep track of poorly behaved mailers and use some form of whitelisting for them. On Friday 23 April 2004 14:20, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 20 April 2004 22:47, Jeremy Baker wrote: > > FWIW, I just implemented greylisting on my mailserver. If you want more > > info, see http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ > > Have you run into any problems with greylisting? I know Supercom tried > emailing me once and because the primary MX was down their email to me > bounced ... their mailer did not keep the message queued nor did it try the > secondary MX. > > Perhaps problems like that are not widespread? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From manjindersingh-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 21:44:55 2004 From: manjindersingh-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Manjinder Singh) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:44:55 -0400 Subject: Open Sourced Project Management solutions References: <4089833C.80600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002d01c4297c$37823460$4fa19d18@manny> We use the following app. http://www.dotproject.net/ Its stable - haven't had any problems with it - been using for over a year now... Manjinder ( www.linguabiz.com ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Panchoo" To: ; "ttlug" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Open Sourced Project Management solutions > Hi, > > can you recommend any open sourced project management applications for > an intranet. We're looking for features such as task/job/project > templates, easily editable and very stable and reliable. Thanks in advanced. > > Kerry > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 21:49:04 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:49:04 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423152841.GA4053-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> Noah John Gellner wrote: > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. > > I would be very happy to disable hard wordwrapping on vi. > > Cheers, > Noah Well, that would go back to the 80 column IBM punch cards. The 80 column "standard" was then applied to printers and terminals. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 22:00:09 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:00:09 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <40898F50.6030900-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 23, 2004 05:49 pm, James Knott wrote: > Noah John Gellner wrote: > > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. > > > Well, that would go back to the 80 column IBM punch cards. The 80 > column "standard" was then applied to printers and terminals. sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i had no idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then are we going to abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i understand that there's still a great many users on this list and elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. but why don't those programs compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't this help the rest of us get out of this nearly century-old restriction? -- a moment of joy in a lifetime of suffering... take it, while you can - abassador londo molari, babylon 5 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 22:45:02 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:45:02 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040423224502.GA26498@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:00:09PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > On April 23, 2004 05:49 pm, James Knott wrote: > > Noah John Gellner wrote: > > > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > > > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > > > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > > > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > > > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. > > > > > Well, that would go back to the 80 column IBM punch cards. The 80 > > column "standard" was then applied to printers and terminals. > > sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i had no > idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then are we going to > abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i understand that there's > still a great many users on this list and elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. > but why don't those programs compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't > this help the rest of us get out of this nearly century-old restriction? Well, wrapping text is sometimes wrong. For example, if you include code that happens to go beyond 80 char lines, wrapping it makes the code harder to read, and possibly makes it broken if it is extracted from the message and used. (It will definitely be broken in that it has different content, and a different number of lines, so that it is changed from the original. That could cause patch failures, needless version number changes, numbered line references to mean different things for different readers of the "same" code; and it will occasionally be even more broken when a line break gets inserted into a string or other place where white space changes are signigifcant to the working of the program.) It is a pity that the clever new mail programs that decided to provide paragraphs chose to use a layout that was incompatible with the existing de facto standard. Instead of assuming that all mail contains paragraphs that can be safely wrapped, and using a single line of potentially unbounded length for a paragraph; they could have simply continued to use convenient length lines with a blank line to separate paragraphs, adding a message header to say that paragraph wrapping will not damage the body. That would have worked cleanly without making the mail program have to guess whether wrapping a long line is the right thing to do *this time*. Instead, many years later, we still have two camps who are annoyed at each other (and no resolution in sight). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 22:36:43 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:36:43 -0400 Subject: Open Sourced Project Management solutions In-Reply-To: <4089833C.80600-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4089833C.80600@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040423223643.GA6467@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 04:57:32PM -0400, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > Hi, > > can you recommend any open sourced project management applications for > an intranet. We're looking for features such as task/job/project > templates, easily editable and very stable and reliable. Thanks in advanced. Blackboard. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 22:40:24 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:40:24 -0400 Subject: if you have code -was- Re:Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423224502.GA26498-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20040423224502.GA26498@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <35D2C790-9577-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 23-Apr-04, at 18:45, John Macdonald wrote: > Well, wrapping text is sometimes wrong. > > For example, if you include code that happens to > go beyond 80 char lines, If someone has code that goes beyond 80 chars *they* have done something wrong ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 22:40:53 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:40:53 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040423224053.GB6467@node1.opengeometry.net> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:00:09PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i > had no idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then > are we going to abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i > understand that there's still a great many users on this list and > elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. but why don't those programs > compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't this help the rest of us > get out of this nearly century-old restriction? Because human eyes have not changed. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 23 23:22:25 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:22:25 -0400 Subject: if you have code -was- Re:Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <35D2C790-9577-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20040423224502.GA26498@lupus.perlwolf.com> <35D2C790-9577-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> Message-ID: <4089A531.4090702@rogers.com> Lloyd Budd wrote: > > On 23-Apr-04, at 18:45, John Macdonald wrote: > >> Well, wrapping text is sometimes wrong. >> >> For example, if you include code that happens to >> go beyond 80 char lines, > > If someone has code that goes beyond 80 chars *they* have done something > wrong ;-) Have you ever seen "micro code"? Years ago, many computers used microcode to run the CPU. The listings often ran well over 100 characters wide, just for the instructions! In some computers, such as the Data General Eclipse and DEC VAX 11/780, it was possible to write extenstions to the instruction set, using micro code. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 00:29:55 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:29:55 -0400 Subject: secure ftp server for linux In-Reply-To: <20040422164548.GA28113-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040421144024.27396.h000.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> <200404221035.31963.troworld@rogers.com> <20040422164548.GA28113@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <200404232029.59727.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday April 22 2004 12:45, Taavi Burns wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 10:35:25AM -0400, Dmitri Vassilenko wrote: > > Any ideas for a graphical scp/sftp Linux client? > > I believe someone else already suggested gftp. Also realise that > Konqueror can browse to sftp:// URLs. I was the one who suggested gFTP :) The problem is that it doesn't work with the hosts that I'm trying to connect to. WinSCP worked without a glitch with those hosts. So I'm guessing gFTP doesn't do SCP, just SFTP. I Googled around and found the following discussion on a Debian ML. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200403/msg17048.html In summary: - - There's a program called SecPanel that works well with SCP/FTP-only hosts. - - Konqueror works with fish:// addresses. Konqueror can be configured to look somewhat like WinSCP. Loading the profile Midnight Commander does the trick. Alternatively, one can use CTRL+SHIFT+L to split a view in half and use drag and drop to move files around. Guess my problem is solved, then. Cheers! - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAibUHd7EQcXYRh/oRAoxqAKDgucyyKdR3R+gntagv9ZCQmpsLhgCgg/Zi B5xA2pb/jymo7y5VbiSvjWQ= =4oeX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 01:26:38 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:26:38 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423152841.GA4053-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040424012638.GN29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:28:41AM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Why do we wrap text at 80 columns on TLUG, and elsewhere on the Net for > that matter? I know that if your mailreader doesn't autowrap it can be > unpleasant to read, but don't the vast majority of readers wrap? The > advantage of not wrapping is that fwds, replies, and follow-ups don't > get funky formatting due to the hard carriage returns. Mutt, elm, etc do NOT wrap the reply section, so it should have been formatted already. Don't assume anything will ever autowrap, so make sure what you send is readable by everyone. > I would be very happy to disable hard wordwrapping on vi. I would be very unhappy receiving email from you. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 01:31:50 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:31:50 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040424013150.GO29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:00:09PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i had no > idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then are we going to > abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i understand that there's > still a great many users on this list and elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. > but why don't those programs compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't > this help the rest of us get out of this nearly century-old restriction? Have you seen what happens when a web browser hits a text file that isn't wrapped at something sensible in width? You have to scroll for miles sideways to read each line. Very painful. Having autowrapping does not improve the look of email (neither do propertional fonts for that matter, they even make some things much less clear). Leave unwrapped text to the goofballs that think email should be in HTML, and leave wrapped text to those of us using standard compliant email clients. Should every email client in existence have to be rewritten, recompiled, and reinstalled on every system out there just to make email look the way you think it should, or should we stick with what already works for every email client ever made. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 01:41:59 2004 From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:41:59 -0400 Subject: using yum to get apt-get or apt In-Reply-To: <20040422210802.94445.qmail-dz3chGMHpKKA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422210802.94445.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4089C5E7.5010602@canada.com> I do not know yum (nor Fedora actually) but I know that there is an rpm for this tools. I have used it and it works pretty well. You just have to download it and install it "manually". After that, it works flawlessly (at least for me when I tried it). Gilles Mel Seder wrote: >The commands below aren't getting either apt-get or apt. How can I get these >debian favorites for Fedora CORE 1 ? > > >[root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt-get >Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates >Finding updated packages >Downloading needed headers >Cannot find a package matching apt-get >No actions to take > >[root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt >Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates >Finding updated packages >Downloading needed headers >Cannot find a package matching apt >No actions to take > > > >===== >The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him >absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 02:20:05 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:20:05 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040424012638.GN29918-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <20040424012638.GN29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040424022005.GB32640@butters.southtrak> On 21:26 Fri 23 Apr , Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Mutt, elm, etc do NOT wrap the reply section, so it should have been > formatted already. Don't assume anything will ever autowrap, so make > sure what you send is readable by everyone. It is fairly trivial to configure mutt or elm to wrap long lines. I don't know what the problem is. I use mutt happily and only wrap lines for groups that recommend it. The result is that for those particulur groups you end up with horrible carriage returns in the text, making it particularized for a specifific terminal setting. This is no good in my opinion. With due respect, this mutt user like unwrapped text. Noah -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 06:01:21 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: using yum to get apt-get or apt In-Reply-To: <4089C5E7.5010602-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <4089C5E7.5010602@canada.com> Message-ID: <20040424060121.46463.qmail@web40714.mail.yahoo.com> Actually a Winnipeg Friend gave me a url to put in my /etc/yum.conf file and it worked fine. Thanks for your reply. --- Gilles Fourchet wrote: > I do not know yum (nor Fedora actually) but I know that there is an rpm > for this tools. I have used it and it works pretty well. You just have > to download it and install it "manually". After that, it works > flawlessly (at least for me when I tried it). > > Gilles > > > Mel Seder wrote: > > >The commands below aren't getting either apt-get or apt. How can I get > these > >debian favorites for Fedora CORE 1 ? > > > > > >[root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt-get > >Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates > >Finding updated packages > >Downloading needed headers > >Cannot find a package matching apt-get > >No actions to take > > > >[root-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org root]# yum install apt > >Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) > >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Base > >Server: Fedora Core 1 - i386 - Released Updates > >Finding updated packages > >Downloading needed headers > >Cannot find a package matching apt > >No actions to take > ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 06:35:10 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:35:10 -0600 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040424063510.GC91545@idiom.novusordo.net> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:00:09PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i had no > idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then are we going to > abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i understand that there's > still a great many users on this list and elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. > but why don't those programs compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't > this help the rest of us get out of this nearly century-old restriction? Do realise that even if the sender does not wrap to 66 characters, your mail client _should_. Why? Because it's easier to read. With more than about 66 characters to a line, your eyes start to have trouble flipping from one side of the paragraph to the other. As an experiment, go grab your favourite paperback from the shelf. Pick a random line. Count the number of characters in it. :) About the only professional publications that you'll find that use fewer than approximately 66 characters are newspapers or textbooks written in double-colum format; those documents would have _fewer_ than 66 characters per line. Newspapers and magazines are written in such narrow columns to facilitate speedreading. A good skimmer actually reads such columns in chunks of three lines or so. Disturbing, eh? ;) So should linewrapping be done at the sending end or at the receiveing end? Probably at the receiving end. It's just that inline replies get very ugly. Mail should really move to an XML format that defines reply levels programattically...though autoincrementing them might be a bit of a pain, it'd still be better and allow for each client to display things as the user prefers. I'm sure that the > marks really mess with text-to-speech synthesisers. (of course they text-to-speech bits work fine, but that's why blind people pay disgustingly large sums of money for these programs with attempt to deal with the morass of random data spewed forth from a plethora of disjointed sources) My, I'm really getting my rant on today... -- taa Indeed, the adolescents and adults responsible for community and predatory violence likely developed the emotional, behavioral, cognitive and physiological characteristics which mediate these violent behaviors as a result of intrafamilial violence during childhood. --Bruce D. Perry /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 09:27:29 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:27:29 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: sco/etc Message-ID: An article in cnn about that investment in sco: http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/04/23/sco.investment.ap/index.html Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 12:05:55 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:05:55 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: search engine pollution In-Reply-To: <20040423181440.GA3519-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423181440.GA3519@smeagol> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Assuming the pages are marked up with some kind of semantic markup > language, you can adjust the rankings of the headings and titles of a > document. You really need to read the documentation that goes with > ht://dig. http://www.htdig.org/confindex.html Specifically: > title_factor: http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#title_factor > heading_factor: http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#heading_factor The pages are really plain text and a pain to mark up (2500+ of them -- rfcs). A solution would be to write a Perl wrapper that would be called to interpret such text documents by htdig and return a higher factor for what it would identify as titles and definitions. Interestingly, I believe that Google does something very similar. f.ex. typing 'ftp rfc' into Google returns a link to w3c.org as the first match, specifically: and analysis of this html document reveals that there are no META tags whatsoever in it. However the title does contain the words 'FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP)' and not the work 'rfc' entered by me in the query. The hit is the first among 911,000 matches. This could hardly be a coincidence. How do they do it ? There must be a list of heuristics almost the size of the database to manage such things imho. Either that or AI tricks I know nothing about (and that does not mean much because I know little about AI). It would be interesting to modify htdig so it scores pages by the number of links pointing to them from other pages (in the same realm). I feel that such an algorythm would recreate the original semantic tree structure of the realm e.g. leaf->index->master index etc etc as far as scoring is concerned. Then the user should have the option to select in the search form whether he wants more index-kind of data or more content-kind of data, the first request giving more weight to the pointed-to score, and the second more weight to occurence count of the search key in a document (probably normalized to the word count of the document). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 13:32:19 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:32:19 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040424133220.4CFB944A0@cbbrowne.com> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >> http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html > > > >Deleting a single message in mailbox format takes longer than maildir > >usually, since you have to rewrite at least part of a large file, vs > >just unlinking a file. > > That's probably why in IMAP, we tag messages to be deleted before actually > delete them (expunge) in group (several messages at once). Batching up such work is a good idea, when you can arrange for it... > >If you have email with large attachments, it is much faster to open and > >read a the header of each file than it is to read past each attachment. > > In mbx format, there is a pointer to jump over messages quickly. > > >If you have mainly small emails, then mailbox format is faster due to > >open/close overhead. It's a tradeoff really. Perhaps a better format > >would be some kind of database which can have just one large file, but > >have the indexing to help it jump to headers and such. Could even make > >searching faster by indexing each header field and such. > > The article said in the end about using database as mailboxes. > > Is there any development on mail library -- and consequentially IMAP > server, POP server, etc. -- that use database engine as it backend? There are several IMAP/POP servers that do this: -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="acm.org" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/linuxxian.html This Bloody Century "Early this century there was a worldwide socialist revolution. The great battles were then between International Socialism, National Socialism, and Democratic Socialism. Democratic Socialism won because the inertia of democracy prevented the socialism from doing as much damage here. Capitalism first reemerged from the ashes of National Socialism, in Germany and Japan. It is now reemerging from the ashes of International Socialism. Next? After all, inertia works both ways..." -- Mark Miller -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 13:44:58 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:44:58 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040423224053.GB6467-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20040423224053.GB6467@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040424134459.E1B9944A0@cbbrowne.com> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 06:00:09PM -0400, gabriel wrote: > > sorry to rain on everyone's history less (as interesting as it is... i > > had no idea this issue went so far back) i have to ask. when then > > are we going to abandon this very, very old obsolete standard? i > > understand that there's still a great many users on this list and > > elsewhere using mutt and pine etc. but why don't those programs > > compensate for 80+ character lines? wouldn't this help the rest of us > > get out of this nearly century-old restriction? > > Because human eyes have not changed. It's even more than "century-old." The common widths of book pages are several centuries old. You can't fit a number of characters across a page that will be vastly different from 80 characters and still be able to expect people to read it efficiently. To be sure, 72 and 80 character limits were long the result of common punched cards being of those sizes, but an 80 character limit is no random coincidence. And yes, it has to do with our eyes. -- let name="cbbrowne" and tld="ntlug.org" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];; http://cbbrowne.com/info/lisp.html "Those who doubt the importance of a convenient notation should try writing a LISP interpreter in COBOL or doing long division with Roman numerals." -- Hal Fulton -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 14:03:20 2004 From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <4087BB90.2020909-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <001301c4280a$a554ab30$0101010a@winxp> <4087BB90.2020909@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404241003.20105.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> to extract text, ps2ascii works in Linux On April 22, 2004 08:33 am, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Sergey Semenyuk wrote: > > Copying and > > other text functions are restrictions of commercial software and for the > > sake of documents being commercial. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 12:37:20 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:37:20 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: regexp Message-ID: Hi all, I am trying to write a regexp that matches something like: abc=def and anything else instead of def, but not: abc=fgh so I try to use negation on a block (conceptually below, it is not a correct re): /abc=!(fgh) and it does not seem to be possible. I read the regex[p]+ manual and I cannot find a reference to block negation. Is this not a part of normal regexps ? (as implemented by Hentry Spencer f.ex.) ? References seen so far: man 3 regex man 7 regex man ed man n regexp man n re_syntax Mastering Regular Expressions (O'Reilly 1998 ed.) [g]+awk book online The closest I've come to is a negative lookahead which is not available in regular regexps. Am I correct to say that a negative lookahead is the only way to produce the effect I need ? tia, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 15:54:49 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:54:49 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040424134459.E1B9944A0-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20040423224053.GB6467@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424134459.E1B9944A0@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org wrote: > To be sure, 72 and 80 character limits were long the result of common > punched cards being of those sizes, but an 80 character limit is no > random coincidence. And yes, it has to do with our eyes. And surely the width of punched cards was not chosen by throwing dice. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 15:58:40 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:58:40 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: extracting text from PDF file In-Reply-To: <200404241003.20105.dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg@public.gmane.org> References: <001301c4280a$a554ab30$0101010a@winxp> <4087BB90.2020909@sympatico.ca> <200404241003.20105.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Duncan MacGregor wrote: > to extract text, ps2ascii works in Linux And to make it look better, pipe the output through groff -Tascii But why do you need this ? Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 16:19:02 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 12:19:02 -0400 Subject: Why wrap @ 80? In-Reply-To: <20040424063510.GC91545-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040423152841.GA4053@butters.southtrak> <40898F50.6030900@rogers.com> <200404231800.09119.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <20040424063510.GC91545@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040424161902.GP29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 12:35:10AM -0600, Taavi Burns wrote: [snip] > So should linewrapping be done at the sending end or at the > receiveing end? Probably at the receiving end. It's just that > inline replies get very ugly. Mail should really move to an XML > format that defines reply levels programattically...though > autoincrementing them might be a bit of a pain, it'd still be > better and allow for each client to display things as the user > prefers. I'm sure that the > marks really mess with > text-to-speech synthesisers. If I send a chunk of source code, or a some data, that has to be shown a certain way and needs 75 character width, I will write it as such. If I am just writing paragraphs of text, I wrap it at 66 or 70 or so. I know the context of what I am doing, so i can wrap it correctly. The receiving client does NOT have context and hence can not know what is correct to do. Hence the sender wraps and the receiver should not. The one with context is the only one that can do the correct thing. [snip] Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 18:22:19 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:22:19 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 03:37:20PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Hi all, I am trying to write a regexp that matches something like: > > abc=def and anything else instead of def, but not: > > abc=fgh > > so I try to use negation on a block (conceptually below, it is not a > correct re): > > /abc=!(fgh) In shell, shopt extglob In others, abc=[^f][^g][^h] -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 18:43:33 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:43:33 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <20040424182219.GA1754-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 02:22:19PM -0400, William Park wrote: > On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 03:37:20PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > > Hi all, I am trying to write a regexp that matches something like: > > > > abc=def and anything else instead of def, but not: > > > > abc=fgh > > > > so I try to use negation on a block (conceptually below, it is not a > > correct re): > > > > /abc=!(fgh) > > In shell, > shopt extglob > In others, > abc=[^f][^g][^h] That will reject "abc=deh" which I'd include in the specified "def and anything else". You need: /abc=(([a-eg-z][a-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-fh-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-z][a-gi-z]))/ It gets even messier if you also want to allow other than exactly 3 lower case letters to be in the assigned value. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 18:34:31 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:34:31 -0400 Subject: Out of office -- Drew, please unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A77041892D8-Lp/cVzEoVyYVSouV3EDkfwAHDTeR/6sY@public.gmane.org> References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A77041892D8@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> Message-ID: <20040424183431.GA2022@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 02:22:16PM -0400, John Li wrote: > To: Drew Please unsubscribe this security/network specialist. Tech-Name: John Li Tech-Title: Security and Network Specialist Tech-Postal: EPO inc. 393 University Ave, Suite 1300 Toronto ON M5G 2P7 Canada Tech-Phone: (416) 313-4159 Tech-Fax: (416) 313-4199 Tech-Mailbox: jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 19:18:04 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:18:04 -0400 Subject: Debian - can't upgrade Message-ID: <20040424191804.GA23347@butters.southtrak> I have been inspired by all the positve talk about Debian and started the install. Unfortunately, I have hit a snag. After installing a basic system, I want to upgrade the applications. I want to use unstable. I did and apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade. dpkg is crashing while trying to update imagemagick. The error is: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick_5%3a6.0.0.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libMagick.la', which is also in packaged libmagick5 I have tried apt-get -f install, but it reports that there is nothing to do. I tried to find a solution online, but to no avail. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Noah -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 19:34:31 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:34:31 -0400 Subject: Debian - can't upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040424191804.GA23347-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424191804.GA23347@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040424192644.7053017C132@smtp.istop.com> Not quite an aswer but.. who knows? I did always had problem to install imagemagick, on any OS. Sometime I did succeed but only by installing from source and compiling. And not every version of imagemagick did let itself to be installed in that way. The problem is even worser when one attempts to have perl support for Imagemagick. There is something messed up there for a long time. But, well, once it is installed it works fine, at least in my case ;) zb. On Saturday 24 April 2004 15:18, you wrote: > I have been inspired by all the positve talk about Debian and started > the install. Unfortunately, I have hit a snag. After installing a basic > system, I want to upgrade the applications. I want to use unstable. I > did and apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade. dpkg is > crashing while trying to update imagemagick. The error is: > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick_5%3a6.0.0.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libMagick.la', which is also in packaged > libmagick5 > > I have tried apt-get -f install, but it reports that there is nothing to > do. > > I tried to find a solution online, but to no avail. Any help greatly > appreciated. > > Cheers, > Noah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 20:01:30 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:01:30 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <20040424184333.GA18937-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > That will reject "abc=deh" which I'd include in the > specified "def and anything else". You need: > > /abc=(([a-eg-z][a-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-fh-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-z][a-gi-z]))/ > > It gets even messier if you also want to allow > other than exactly 3 lower case letters to be in the > assigned value. Argh. I did something like this in Perl: while (<>) { if ( /=<([^>]*)>/ && ($tm = "\Q$1") && ($tm ne "foo\@bar\.baz") ) { print 'got it = ($t)'; } } which is ugly beyond words. There has got to be a better way. Later I'll want to prune matches to $1 by a list so I'll likely use a hash or a function for the .ne. part. If you haven't guessed yet, this is about pruning certain email addresses from a list extracted from mail logs (whitelisting/blacklisting etc). The above works and was tested on a log with 20000+ lines, which it managed in a couple of tens of seconds on a slow machine (with cpu load 0.95 over ~3000 matches). Surely there is a way to specify a negative match-block in regexp ?! Anyway when I tried to condense the above if() into a single expression using lookahead in Perl (?! etc) it did not work as I feel it should. This is my first time with lookahead so it may be I am doing something wrong. Could someone rewrite the above using lookahead as an example ? I am hoping to be able to rewrite this using compiled regexps in C and make it more efficient. tia, and thanks for all who posted so far, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 20:04:28 2004 From: jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:04:28 -0400 Subject: Debian - can't upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040424191804.GA23347-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424191804.GA23347@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <1082837068.4565.2.camel@linux.local> you could try dpkg: --force overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick...deb I have had to use this command to repair a failed apt-get attempt, when upgrading kdelibs-common I cant remember where I found this, but I do remember all the warnings ;) 2004-04-24 at 15:18, Noah John Gellner wrote: > I have been inspired by all the positve talk about Debian and started > the install. Unfortunately, I have hit a snag. After installing a basic > system, I want to upgrade the applications. I want to use unstable. I > did and apt-get update and then an apt-get dist-upgrade. dpkg is > crashing while trying to update imagemagick. The error is: > dpkg: error processing > /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick_5%3a6.0.0.2-2_i386.deb (--unpack): > trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libMagick.la', which is also in packaged > libmagick5 > > I have tried apt-get -f install, but it reports that there is nothing to > do. > > I tried to find a solution online, but to no avail. Any help greatly > appreciated. > > Cheers, > Noah -- " Eventually people tire of repairing broken Windows, And decide to replace them with something stronger" (o_ // Linux - The Choice Of A GNU Generation V_/_ Jason Shein Linux Registered User #281100 jason-gaRZxGPHtpBxZtjKW1aY+1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 20:17:08 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 23:17:08 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Out of office (fwd) Message-ID: For Pete's sake put a filter on this guy already. P. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:00:30 -0400 From: John Li To: Peter L. Peres Subject: Out of office -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 20:52:35 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:52:35 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408AD393.9000205@rogers.com> You're looking at the wrong reference; try perldoc perlre Tom Peter L. Peres wrote: >Hi all, I am trying to write a regexp that matches something like: > >abc=def and anything else instead of def, but not: > >abc=fgh > >so I try to use negation on a block (conceptually below, it is not a >correct re): > >/abc=!(fgh) > >and it does not seem to be possible. I read the regex[p]+ manual and I >cannot find a reference to block negation. Is this not a part of normal >regexps ? (as implemented by Hentry Spencer f.ex.) ? > >References seen so far: > >man 3 regex >man 7 regex >man ed >man n regexp >man n re_syntax >Mastering Regular Expressions (O'Reilly 1998 ed.) >[g]+awk book online > >The closest I've come to is a negative lookahead which is not available in >regular regexps. Am I correct to say that a negative lookahead is the only >way to produce the effect I need ? > >tia, >Peter >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 21:13:12 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:13:12 -0400 Subject: Debian - can't upgrade In-Reply-To: <1082837068.4565.2.camel-Tk/TtsB/rErDOqzlkpFKJg@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424191804.GA23347@butters.southtrak> <1082837068.4565.2.camel@linux.local> Message-ID: <20040424211312.GB23347@butters.southtrak> Thank you very much - this did the trick. I ran it, then apt-get -f install and now I am able to proceed with my dist-upgrade. Cheers, Noah On 16:04 Sat 24 Apr , Jason Shein wrote: > you could try > > dpkg: --force overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick...deb > -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 21:29:28 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:29:28 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040424212928.GB18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 11:01:30PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > > > That will reject "abc=deh" which I'd include in the > > specified "def and anything else". You need: > > > > /abc=(([a-eg-z][a-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-fh-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-z][a-gi-z]))/ > > > > It gets even messier if you also want to allow > > other than exactly 3 lower case letters to be in the > > assigned value. > > Argh. I did something like this in Perl: > > while (<>) { > if ( /=<([^>]*)>/ && ($tm = "\Q$1") && ($tm ne "foo\@bar\.baz") ) { > print 'got it = ($t)'; > } > } > > which is ugly beyond words. There has got to be a better way. Later I'll > want to prune matches to $1 by a list so I'll likely use a hash or a > function for the .ne. part. If you haven't guessed yet, this is about > pruning certain email addresses from a list extracted from mail logs > (whitelisting/blacklisting etc). The above works and was tested on a log > with 20000+ lines, which it managed in a couple of tens of seconds on a > slow machine (with cpu load 0.95 over ~3000 matches). Surely there is a > way to specify a negative match-block in regexp ?! Anyway when I tried to ^^ You are so close! The perl pattern (?!PAT) does a forward lookahead and if PAT can match at this point, (?!PAT) fails. If the trial match of PAT fails, (?!PAT) succeeds (without actually matching any characters in the string, this is only an assertion. The original question could be matched with: /abc=(?!fgh)\w{3}/ but he wasn't looking for perl, but regex library pattern. Your pattern: if ( /=<([^>]*)>/ && ($tm = "\Q$1") && ($tm ne "foo\@bar\.baz") ) { print 'got it = ($t)'; } could be written as: if ( /=<(?!foo\@bar\.baz)([^>]*)>/ ) { print "got it = (\Q$1\E)"; } > condense the above if() into a single expression using lookahead in Perl > (?! etc) it did not work as I feel it should. This is my first time with > lookahead so it may be I am doing something wrong. Could someone rewrite > the above using lookahead as an example ? I am hoping to be able to > rewrite this using compiled regexps in C and make it more efficient. > > tia, and thanks for all who posted so far, > Peter > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 21:44:48 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:44:48 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <20040424184333.GA18937-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040424214448.GA656@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 02:43:33PM -0400, John Macdonald wrote: > > > abc=def and anything else instead of def, but not: > > > abc=fgh > > > /abc=!(fgh) > > > > In shell, > > shopt extglob > > In others, > > abc=[^f][^g][^h] > > That will reject "abc=deh" which I'd include in the > specified "def and anything else". You need: > > /abc=(([a-eg-z][a-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-fh-z][a-z])|([a-z][a-z][a-gi-z]))/ > > It gets even messier if you also want to allow > other than exactly 3 lower case letters to be in the > assigned value. My misreading. Hmm... ([^f]..|f[^g].|fg[^h]) ([^f]..|.[^g].|..[^h]) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 21:58:42 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:58:42 -0400 Subject: Debian - can't upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040424211312.GB23347-y6Pr2RmEDtN2c7wgCBzOK1pr/1R2p/CL@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424191804.GA23347@butters.southtrak> <1082837068.4565.2.camel@linux.local> <20040424211312.GB23347@butters.southtrak> Message-ID: <20040424215842.GQ29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 05:13:12PM -0400, Noah John Gellner wrote: > Thank you very much - this did the trick. I ran it, then apt-get -f > install and now I am able to proceed with my dist-upgrade. > Cheers, > Noah > > On 16:04 Sat 24 Apr , Jason Shein wrote: > > you could try > > > > dpkg: --force overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/imagemagick...deb The much safer solution would be to temporarily remove the conflicting package by overriding the dependancies by doing: dpkg --force-depends -r conflictingpackage --force-overwrite means you are doing something wrong. After all, when you do that, which package now owns that file and if you remove one of them, should the file be deleted as part of the remove or not? If you know what --force-overwrite does, then you won't use it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 22:38:27 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:38:27 -0400 Subject: Out of office (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404241838.27769.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Saturday 24 April 2004 16:17, Peter L. Peres wrote: > For Pete's sake put a filter on this guy already. Bah, top poster ;-) The message is quite annoying, the autoresponder is not even smart enough to limit itself to one message per day. FWIW, I emailed the guy privately and asked him to look into his out of office software ... it wasn't clear to me that anyone had made any attempt to contact the guy, -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 22:53:32 2004 From: anthony-e6QRBlwUI3iaMJb+Lgu22Q at public.gmane.org (Anthony Tekatch) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 18:53:32 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive Message-ID: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> Is there an active archive of this mailing list? TIA Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 23:04:03 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:04:03 -0400 Subject: Out of office (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200404241838.27769.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404241838.27769.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408AF263.8020809@rogers.com> > FWIW, I emailed the guy privately and asked him to look into his out of office > software ... it wasn't clear to me that anyone had made any attempt to > contact the guy, Fair enough; everyone makes mistakes. But the onus really is on the individual to not be an assclown and autorespond to mailing lists. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Apr 24 23:23:05 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:23:05 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20040424185332.5a55b927-BUIa8PMFEck@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> Message-ID: <200404241923.10093.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/ Cheers! On Saturday April 24 2004 18:53, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > Is there an active archive of this mailing list? > > TIA > Anthony - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAivbdd7EQcXYRh/oRAjF8AKCqZyDFMpdAFIsJx/O2RAgkPrggAACglutI /e2PrwjXHZHCiqF+m6X+3pE= =A5uA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 01:53:13 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:53:13 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <200404241923.10093.troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <200404241923.10093.troworld@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> On Saturday 24 April 2004 19:23, you wrote: > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/ Does not work on my Netscape Communicator 4.78 under Linux. And poorely works under Opera 6.0. BTW, what for these frames there? This is considered usually as a bad HTML programming habit. I know, Microsoft.com uses them a lot but this is not an excuse. zb. > Cheers! > > On Saturday April 24 2004 18:53, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > > Is there an active archive of this mailing list? > > > > TIA > > Anthony -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 01:53:08 2004 From: troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Dmitri Vassilenko) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:53:08 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <200404241923.10093.troworld@rogers.com> <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <200404242153.08824.troworld@rogers.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The archives are also viewable via Gmane's Newsserver (news.gmane.org). Frame-free!! :) Cheers! On Saturday April 24 2004 21:53, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > On Saturday 24 April 2004 19:23, you wrote: > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/ > > Does not work on my Netscape Communicator 4.78 under Linux. > > And poorely works under Opera 6.0. > > BTW, what for these frames there? This is considered usually as a bad HTML > programming habit. I know, Microsoft.com uses them a lot but this is not an > excuse. > > zb. > > > Cheers! > > > > On Saturday April 24 2004 18:53, Anthony Tekatch wrote: > > > Is there an active archive of this mailing list? > > > > > > TIA > > > Anthony - -- Dmitri Vassilenko OpenPGP-key located at http://biglumber.com/Keys/pubkey.77B11071761187FA.Dmitri_Vassilenko.asc OpenPGP Fingerprint: 4023 5A66 2914 300F 0A5D E056 77B1 1071 7611 87FA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAixoEd7EQcXYRh/oRAqGxAKDxJEwpGNjLYdcyiwxawwafTak10ACffBjx K8MT8YSNi1fQoFP66MLsyEg= =qra5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 02:35:53 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:35:53 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <200404242153.08824.troworld-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> <200404242153.08824.troworld@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040425022757.68C7617C450@smtp.istop.com> > The archives are also viewable via Gmane's Newsserver (news.gmane.org). > Frame-free!! :) Why would I need to use Gmane's Newsserver to view web pages? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 04:44:00 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:44:00 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20040425022757.68C7617C450-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> <200404242153.08824.troworld@rogers.com> <20040425022757.68C7617C450@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <2BD87E3E-9673-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 24-Apr-04, at 22:35, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> The archives are also viewable via Gmane's Newsserver >> (news.gmane.org). >> Frame-free!! :) > > Why would I need to use Gmane's Newsserver to view web pages? Dmitri Vassilenko did not say that you would. He said that the *archive* is available via a NTTP news server. Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 11:33:37 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:33:37 -0400 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <4088827A.7090108-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040422144402.GK29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <5.2.0.9.0.20040422211423.02074898@localhost> <4088827A.7090108@truxtar.com> Message-ID: <20040425113338.601F5442A@cbbrowne.com> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > CLIFFORD ILKAY wrote: > > I believe Longhorn uses SQL Server for its filesystem. > > Actually, the new WinFS is simply an NTFS filesystem with an SQL > database used to store detailed metadata about the files. The files > themselves are still stored in NTFS. Isn't this reflecting how they "dumbed down" the initial plans? > And I wouldn't mention WinFS when talking about performance; we all know > the minimal requirements for Windows Longhorn will include a P4 2.4GHz > :) Ah, but everybody knows that CPU power is far less important than SCSI bandwidth when looking at database applications... -- "cbbrowne","@","acm.org" http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/wp.html Windows 'XCV - A 32 bit patch for a 16 bit interface to an 8 bit OS designed for a 4 bit chip from a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 12:26:20 2004 From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:26:20 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <200404241923.10093.troworld@rogers.com> <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <20040425122620.GA3652@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 09:53:13PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >On Saturday 24 April 2004 19:23, you wrote: >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/ > >Does not work on my Netscape Communicator 4.78 under Linux. > >And poorely works under Opera 6.0. I am compelled to ask why you are using such spectacularly outdated software. Expecting those browsers to work in this day and age is ridiculous to me. Opera 6 was a work in progress that did the same things well that Opera 4 did, with a pile of new and innovative features, but it wasn't considered "done." NN was widely seen to be an abomination that needed to be discarded 18 months after its release, and now I'd suggest that using it is totally inappropriate for web browsing. It is, based on the standards established at the end of the last millennium, broken. The link above even works fine in w3m. -- yours, William -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 15:16:41 2004 From: srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (srb) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:16:41 -0400 Subject: Firewall without using iptables? Message-ID: <408BD659.6020506@softhome.net> Hi, There's a couple of live CD distros I like to use that do not have iptables... is there another way to create a firewall... are there any applications that can do this without iptables in the kernel? Thanks for any help! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 15:20:57 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20040425122620.GA3652-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424185332.5a55b927@pino> <200404241923.10093.troworld@rogers.com> <20040425014516.7A3D617C2ED@smtp.istop.com> <20040425122620.GA3652@sillyrabbi.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <26775A70-96CC-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 25-Apr-04, at 8:26, William O'Higgins wrote: > On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 09:53:13PM -0400, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: >> On Saturday 24 April 2004 19:23, you wrote: >>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.tolug/ >> >> Does not work on my Netscape Communicator 4.78 under Linux. >> >> And poorely works under Opera 6.0. > > I am compelled to ask why you are using such spectacularly outdated > software. If I were to make such a reply , I think that after I would find myself considering that I was being presumptuous. My thinking might be: * why would someone fix what is not broken * installing software is non-trivial , and may not be possible at all on a machine * dependencies in the environment ... many other thoughts To be certain , the referred gmane.org archive view does not have a good web interface . It displays poorly in every browser I have viewed it on. > Expecting those browsers to work in this day and age > is ridiculous to me. Is it? > NN was widely seen to be an > abomination that needed to be discarded 18 months after its release, > and now I'd suggest that using it is totally inappropriate for web > browsing. I do not recall you or any one else making a non-abomination readily available on the large selection of platform at the time? > The link above even works fine in w3m. Such a relative concept. Cheers, Lloyd -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 17:50:06 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:50:06 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <408AD393.9000205-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408AD393.9000205@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Tom Legrady wrote: > You're looking at the wrong reference; try perldoc perlre Thanks, I looked there when I wrote the Perl version. I am not trying to do it in Perl, but in C. The Perl version works fine. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 17:53:55 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:53:55 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <20040424212928.GB18937-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040424212928.GB18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > could be written as: > > if ( /=<(?!foo\@bar\.baz)([^>]*)>/ ) { > print "got it = (\Q$1\E)"; > } > Ok, thank you very much. I was not so clear about what happens to the chunk that matches the ?! part. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:19:05 2004 From: cbbrowne-HInyCGIudOg at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:19:05 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" Message-ID: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this afternoon. I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably be Sympatico's fault. They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. I can get at such places from a server I can get at in Texas... Is it possible that some Canadian routing tables are mussed up??? -- output = reverse("gro.gultn" "@" "enworbbc") http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/x.html Where do you want to go, toady? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:29:12 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:29:12 -0400 Subject: Firewall without using iptables? In-Reply-To: <408BD659.6020506-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408BD659.6020506@softhome.net> Message-ID: <200404251429.12755.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 25 April 2004 11:16, srb wrote: > There's a couple of live CD distros I like to use that do not have > iptables... is there another way to create a firewall... are there any > applications that can do this without iptables in the kernel? Look at /proc/net/ip_tables_* ... if you don't see 3 files like that then you're kernel does not support iptables. If the files aren't there then try modprobe ip_tables ... if that succeeds check for the existence of the files. Assuming the above works out then you just need the iptables utility to install rules. You should be able to grab that from another Linux distro and use if (finding ones built against the same libraries shouldn't be difficult). I don't know of another way to create a firewall on a Linux machine besides iptables (I don't see a way of manipulating files in /proc directly to create rules). Are you wanting this for a dedicated firewall machine or are you using it for other machines? If it's a dedicated firewall you might want to investigate the Gibraltar firewall (http://www.gibraltar.at/default.php?page=5): Gibraltar is a Debian GNU/Linux-based firewall package which boots up and runs completely from CD-ROM, so hard disk installation is not necessary. The configuration data is optionally stored on hard disk, floppy disk or an USB storage device. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:40:07 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:40:07 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" In-Reply-To: <20040425181906.29CC8442A-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <200404251440.07976.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Sunday 25 April 2004 14:19, Christopher Browne wrote: > I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this > afternoon. > > I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem > to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably > be Sympatico's fault. Probably, I've been doing on and off "the net" for the last hour and haven't noticed any problems. Went a few a security sites and Google news, it sounds like the super worm hasn't hit us yet, needs a few more days perhaps. > They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. Strange Mr. Li was kind enough to auto-respond to my TLUG post a few minutes ago ;-) > I can get at such places from a server I can get at in Texas... > > Is it possible that some Canadian routing tables are mussed up??? Everything seems fine with istop and with a bunch of servers that I connect to on various other ISPs. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:52:40 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:52:40 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" In-Reply-To: <200404251440.07976.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <200404251440.07976.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040425145240.722112b6.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:40:07 -0400 Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Sunday 25 April 2004 14:19, Christopher Browne wrote: > > > I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this > > afternoon. > > > > I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem > > to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably > > be Sympatico's fault. > > Probably, I've been doing on and off "the net" for the last hour and haven't > noticed any problems. Went a few a security sites and Google news, it sounds > like the super worm hasn't hit us yet, needs a few more days perhaps. We can't get at google or yahoo, but can get to others, including a colo box in Colorado. > > > They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. > > Strange Mr. Li was kind enough to auto-respond to my TLUG post a few minutes > ago ;-) What a nice guy...he must be nice and mellow from his long vacation :-> Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jason.watchus-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:56:58 2004 From: jason.watchus-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Jason Watchus) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:56:58 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" In-Reply-To: <20040425181906.29CC8442A-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <408C09FA.9010105@sympatico.ca> I am experiencing the exact same issues described below. Alas, I am also with Sympatico. >I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this >afternoon. > >I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem >to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably >be Sympatico's fault. > >They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. > >I can get at such places from a server I can get at in Texas... > >Is it possible that some Canadian routing tables are mussed up??? >-- >output = reverse("gro.gultn" "@" "enworbbc") >http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/x.html >Where do you want to go, toady? >-- >The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 19:17:05 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:17:05 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040424212928.GB18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040425191705.GC18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 08:53:55PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > > > could be written as: > > > > if ( /=<(?!foo\@bar\.baz)([^>]*)>/ ) { > > print "got it = (\Q$1\E)"; > > } > > > > Ok, thank you very much. I was not so clear about what happens to the > chunk that matches the ?! part. If the (?!foo\@bar\,baz) can match (i.e. after the already matched "<" you find the string "foo-o+HKXD+gRuM at public.gmane.org"), the pattern fails at this point with the usual backtracking (this "<" fails, this "=", search through the string for another "=" to try again). If there was not "foo-o+HKXD+gRuM at public.gmane.org" found, the (?!...) would have succeeded, and the regex match would continue, still positioned after the "=<", and look for a match of "([^>]*)>". The key thing about a lookahead is that it is an assertion - which means that while it can fail or succeed, if it succeeds it does not match any actual text, and the subsequent pattern element starts searching from the same position. Regexps have two assertions "^" and "$", which match a position without matching any characters. Perl has added a number of additional assertions. As well as the lookahead assertions (?!...) and (?=...), there are boundary assertions like \b (which matches a "word boundary"). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tony-xjX+Rovoopuw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 19:35:37 2004 From: tony-xjX+Rovoopuw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Tony Pinto) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:35:37 -0400 Subject: Script request Message-ID: I have over 2000 records of theare following pattern PMPART,PMPAR1,PMPAR2,PMPAR3,PMPAR4,PMPAR5 0000183209,000021032004,0000Q21032004,,, 0000493059,000049030504,,,, 0000670609,000067060004,0000Q67060006,,, 0000676609,0000Q67060006,,,, 0000833189,1510833189,,,, 0000833209,000071032004,(00007103209),,, 0000Q11030604,0000Q11030606,,,, 0000Q11030806,9005-3008,,,, 0000Q11040804,0000Q11040806,,,, 0000Q11041506,9005-4015,,,, 0000Q11050006,0000Q61050006,,,, 0000Q11051006,9005-4010,,,, 104222008A,104022008A,102121001A,102321001A,1560015150,1020021330 I would need a script to create the following, two column output with the first column followed by the second. If more than 2 fields then create another record with the first field followed by the third field, if there are 4 fields then create another record with first field followed by the fourth field and so on ... there will be a max of 6 fields. Ouput : 0000183209,000021032004 0000183209,0000Q21032004 0000493059,000049030504 0000670609,000067060004 0000670609,0000Q67060006 Any help will be greatly appreciated. TIA -TP -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 19:39:52 2004 From: mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mike Kirk) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:39:52 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <408C09FA.9010105@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <067601c42afd$1587cb90$1b00a8c0@cruncher> > >I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this > >afternoon. > > I am experiencing the exact same issues described below. Alas, I am > also with Sympatico. I'm on Sympatico as well, and have noticed the same thing. Google/Yahoo resolve in DNS but are unavailable. Various Gentoo master rsync servers are reachable while others are not. About 90% of my bookmarks work, and of the 10% that don't work I know several of them did work earlier this morning. If I could VPN to work, I could piggyback their (non-Sympatico) connection for awhile, but alas I can't reach them either :) Some large downloads I started yesterday are still chugging along, so it seems whatever is wrong is upstream of my immediate system and DSL line. Guess I'll just wait it out.... Regards. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 20:16:41 2004 From: lloyd-fEEwcc3XMu8jODpR/OX0VQ at public.gmane.org (Lloyd Budd) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:16:41 -0400 Subject: Firewall without using iptables? In-Reply-To: <408BD659.6020506-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408BD659.6020506@softhome.net> Message-ID: <774AEC52-96F5-11D8-9C4B-000393CCFB66@foolswisdom.com> On 25-Apr-04, at 11:16, srb wrote: > Hi, > > There's a couple of live CD distros I like to use that do not > have iptables... is there another way to create a firewall... > are there any applications that can do this without iptables > in the kernel? Likely I do not understand the question, do the distros' kernels pre-date iptables ? ipchains ? -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 20:33:43 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" In-Reply-To: <20040425181906.29CC8442A-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I reported this problem to Sympatico at about 1230pm and was apparently one of the first to report in. It looks like it has been resolved. I found that google.com, google.ca, pair.com (my web provider) and comcast.net were not responding to pings. Strangely enough, yahoo.com didn't work, but yahoo.ca did, *after* re-directing to ca.yahoo.com. I'm also surprised .. I always understood that the Internet routed around damage. The fact that I couldn't get to pair.com was particularly surprising .. unless the problem was with a major piece of fibre on Sympatico's side. BTW, yesterday I ordered a new modem for my Sympatico service .. for any of you who are hoping to make use of their increased speed, you need to trade your old grey Nortel modem (I think I got mine in August 2000) for a more up to date piece of equipment. Call 416-310-SURF and go through to *Billing*, not Technical Support. They'll ship you out the new modem and you ship back the old one. Make sure you get the receipt stamped (from when you ship the old modem back), and keep the Canada Post paperwork. 3M down, 768K up (I think), here I come !!!! Alex On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Christopher Browne wrote: > I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this > afternoon. > > I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem > to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably > be Sympatico's fault. > > They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. > > I can get at such places from a server I can get at in Texas... > > Is it possible that some Canadian routing tables are mussed up??? > -- > output = reverse("gro.gultn" "@" "enworbbc") > http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/x.html > Where do you want to go, toady? > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 20:43:36 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:43:36 -0400 Subject: Script request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I have over 2000 records of theare following pattern > > PMPART,PMPAR1,PMPAR2,PMPAR3,PMPAR4,PMPAR5 > 0000183209,000021032004,0000Q21032004,,, > 0000493059,000049030504,,,, > 0000670609,000067060004,0000Q67060006,,, > 0000676609,0000Q67060006,,,, > 0000833189,1510833189,,,, > 0000833209,000071032004,(00007103209),,, > 0000Q11030604,0000Q11030606,,,, > 0000Q11030806,9005-3008,,,, > 0000Q11040804,0000Q11040806,,,, > 0000Q11041506,9005-4015,,,, > 0000Q11050006,0000Q61050006,,,, > 0000Q11051006,9005-4010,,,, > 104222008A,104022008A,102121001A,102321001A,1560015150,1020021330 > > > I would need a script to create the following, two column output with the > first column followed by the second. If more than 2 fields then create > another record with the first field followed by the third field, if there > are 4 fields then create another record with first field followed by the > fourth field and so on ... there will be a max of 6 fields. > > > Ouput : > > 0000183209,000021032004 > 0000183209,0000Q21032004 > 0000493059,000049030504 > 0000670609,000067060004 > 0000670609,0000Q67060006 > Here's an ugly one off the top of my head that might work. Double check it first before you use it. Corrections welcome. cat data.txt | awk -F ',' '{for (i=2; i <= NF; i++) {if (length($(i)) > 0) {printf("%s,%s\n", $1, $(i))}}}' -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 20:50:37 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Script request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Tony Pinto wrote: > I have over 2000 records of theare following pattern > > PMPART,PMPAR1,PMPAR2,PMPAR3,PMPAR4,PMPAR5 > 0000183209,000021032004,0000Q21032004,,, > 0000493059,000049030504,,,, > 0000670609,000067060004,0000Q67060006,,, > 0000676609,0000Q67060006,,,, > 0000833189,1510833189,,,, > 0000833209,000071032004,(00007103209),,, > 0000Q11030604,0000Q11030606,,,, > 0000Q11030806,9005-3008,,,, > 0000Q11040804,0000Q11040806,,,, > 0000Q11041506,9005-4015,,,, > 0000Q11050006,0000Q61050006,,,, > 0000Q11051006,9005-4010,,,, > 104222008A,104022008A,102121001A,102321001A,1560015150,1020021330 > > > I would need a script to create the following, two column output with the > first column followed by the second. If more than 2 fields then create > another record with the first field followed by the third field, if there > are 4 fields then create another record with first field followed by the > fourth field and so on ... there will be a max of 6 fields. > > > Ouput : > > 0000183209,000021032004 > 0000183209,0000Q21032004 > 0000493059,000049030504 > 0000670609,000067060004 > 0000670609,0000Q67060006 while read line do set -- ${line//,/ } f1=$1 shift for f do printf "%s,%s\n" "$f1" "$f" done done < FILE -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 21:52:33 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:52:33 -0400 Subject: Script request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040425215233.GA2019@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 03:35:37PM -0400, Tony Pinto wrote: > PMPART,PMPAR1,PMPAR2,PMPAR3,PMPAR4,PMPAR5 > 0000183209,000021032004,0000Q21032004,,, > 0000493059,000049030504,,,, > 0000670609,000067060004,0000Q67060006,,, > 0000676609,0000Q67060006,,,, > 0000833189,1510833189,,,, > 0000833209,000071032004,(00007103209),,, > 0000Q11030604,0000Q11030606,,,, > 0000Q11030806,9005-3008,,,, > 0000Q11040804,0000Q11040806,,,, > 0000Q11041506,9005-4015,,,, > 0000Q11050006,0000Q61050006,,,, > 0000Q11051006,9005-4010,,,, > 104222008A,104022008A,102121001A,102321001A,1560015150,1020021330 > Ouput : > > 0000183209,000021032004 > 0000183209,0000Q21032004 > 0000493059,000049030504 > 0000670609,000067060004 > 0000670609,0000Q67060006 1. while IFS=, read -a line ; do for i in ${line[@]:1} ; do echo $line[0],$i done done 2. IFS=", " while read line; do set -- $line printf "$1,%s\n" ${*:2} done 3. awk -v FS=',+' '{for (i=2; i Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 01:35:24 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:35:24 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat Message-ID: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Well it would seem TLUG has been taken over and nobody told us: http://www.linux.ca/library/linux/lug.shtml Seems Evan Leibovitch is now our glorious leader. All hail the glorious leader!!! Colin McGregor (who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the Real World Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan Leibovitch's associate Matthew Rice). -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 01:43:39 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:43:39 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <408C694B.6010708@sympatico.ca> Colin McGregor wrote: > Well it would seem TLUG has been taken over and nobody told us: > > http://www.linux.ca/library/linux/lug.shtml > > Seems Evan Leibovitch is now our glorious leader. All hail the glorious > leader!!! If you look at the June 2002 version of the page: and the June 2003 version of the page: , you'll notice it has been Evan all along. If it takes you nearly two years to notice a coup, you're either: a) not paying attention, or b) quite happy how things are going. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 01:53:23 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:53:23 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 09:35:24PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > (who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the Real > World Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan Leibovitch's > associate Matthew Rice). Why? There is no money in TLUG, and booth costs money. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 02:04:10 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:04:10 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: <408AD393.9000205@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040426020410.GR29918@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 08:50:06PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Thanks, I looked there when I wrote the Perl version. I am not trying to > do it in Perl, but in C. The Perl version works fine. If working in C there is always libpcre (lib for C doing perl compatible regular expressions). Many programs have started using this over the last year or two. Why not join in. :) Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 02:13:09 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:13:09 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040426015323.GA4021-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> William Park wrote: >On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 09:35:24PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > >>(who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the Real >>World Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan Leibovitch's >>associate Matthew Rice). >> >> > >Why? There is no money in TLUG, and booth costs money. > > > There should be some money in TLUG, the money that was going to be used to pay for incorporation. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 02:43:51 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:43:51 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <408C7035.6080706-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:13:09PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > William Park wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 09:35:24PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > >>(who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the > >>Real World Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan > >>Leibovitch's associate Matthew Rice). > > > >Why? There is no money in TLUG, and booth costs money. > > There should be some money in TLUG, the money that was going to be > used to pay for incorporation. TLUG should remain as "mailing list". Once money is thrown in, then we are going to have argument as to who paid, who didn't, who should get what, and who shouldn't, ad nausum.... -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 10:19:15 2004 From: mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mike Kirk) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0400 Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Hi all, I haven't had luck on tor.forsale.computers, so I'm asking here. Apologies if it's not appropriate. I recently bought a Sun Ultra 10 used with Gentoo installed. I'd like to use it with a PC monitor, but I can't find any stores in my area that stock the adapter I need (http://www.computerplug.com/adapter_13w3vga1.htm). I'm hoping that some Unix guru in this list will know of a store in the GTA that stocks these? I can order it online, but I'm more interested in finding a store that may also sell other Unix workstation parts/adapters/cables that I can go stroll through looking for interesting trinkets... every store I've visited so far is striclty PC parts only. Thanks! -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 13:09:55 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 26 Apr 2004 09:09:55 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: "Colin McGregor" writes: > (who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the Real World > Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan Leibovitch's associate > Matthew Rice). Gee, I never got the notice that this was my job. Did TLUG hold a vote and not tell me about it? Stop raising shit Colin. We discussed this _at_ the show. Or are you just upset that you couldn't weasel yourself and your organizations into the free booth again? In fact, I distinctly remember telling one or two of the "real" TLUG leaders that they just had to contact the organizers to get a booth and that I was in no way involved in a TLUG booth for the show. And that was at least 6 months ago. Wanna see the e-mails? For the record, I'm going to be putting in a (non) effort next year, too. I'm going to be at the LPI/CLUE booth again. I only have so much volunteer time to give, dude. LASZLO IS DEAD!!! LONG LIVE EVAN!!! Love, Matthew (who is not asking Colin what volunteer time he's put into TLUG, NewTLUG, CLUE or LPI in the last year) -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 13:36:01 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0-ExAPTJ35rt4@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Mike Kirk wrote: > I recently bought a Sun Ultra 10 used with Gentoo installed. I'd like to use > it with a PC monitor, but I can't find any stores in my area that stock the > adapter I need (http://www.computerplug.com/adapter_13w3vga1.htm). I'm Hi Mike. Your Ultra 10 has a 13W3? Every Ultra 10 (or Ultra 5 [1]) I've ever seen uses VGA out. Are you sure this isn't a SpaceStation 10 (SS10)? Sun dropped 13W3 in preference to VGA long ago. In any case, why not use a serial console and remote display [2] all your data from the Sun box to a display running on a PC Linux box (normally the console although it is not necessary). [1] Including the one I just looked at. [2] Using the X protocol. It's capabilities seem to be poorly understood even in Unix circles these days :( Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 13:41:30 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:41:30 -0400 Subject: Internet "Brown-out???" In-Reply-To: <20040425181906.29CC8442A-xzRQuAxiFLNWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> Message-ID: <000701c42b94$34987f60$6401a8c0@main> > I'm noticing that things are not entirely "responding well" this > afternoon. > > I was trying to get at a webmail account at Yahoo, and they don't seem > to responding. Ditto for Google.com/Google.ca. That could conceivably > be Sympatico's fault. > > They also don't respond from "the office," which wouldn't be. > > I can get at such places from a server I can get at in Texas... > > Is it possible that some Canadian routing tables are mussed up??? I was told today by Rogers that there is construction in my area (North York) causing my cable internet to go off and on every few minutes. This has been going on for about three days now. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 14:10:42 2004 From: gilles.fourchet-zzOxFVvAfJPQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Gilles Fourchet) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: Firewall without using iptables? In-Reply-To: <408BD659.6020506-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408BD659.6020506@softhome.net> Message-ID: <408D1862.30303@canada.com> With Linux, there are only 2 solutions (in the kernel): iptables and ipchains. Although ipchains was the solution for the 2.2.x kernel, it is still usable with a kernel 2.4.x. Now, if you do not have neither iptables nor ipchains compiled in your kernel, you have two solutions: either recompiled your kernel to include this functionality or find a firewall solution that does not rely on the kernel. Personally, I would suggest to recompile the kernel as it is easy and you will get a lot of support. Gilles srb wrote: > Hi, > > There's a couple of live CD distros I like to use that do not have > iptables... is there another way to create a firewall... are there any > applications that can do this without iptables in the kernel? > > Thanks for any help! > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 14:16:02 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Message-ID: <20040426101239.U4781@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Mike Kirk wrote: > > > I recently bought a Sun Ultra 10 used with Gentoo installed. I'd like to use > > it with a PC monitor, but I can't find any stores in my area that stock the > > adapter I need (http://www.computerplug.com/adapter_13w3vga1.htm). I'm > > Hi Mike. Your Ultra 10 has a 13W3? Every Ultra 10 (or Ultra 5 [1]) I've > ever seen uses VGA out. Are you sure this isn't a SpaceStation 10 (SS10)? > Sun dropped 13W3 in preference to VGA long ago. Some Ultra 10's (like mine) have an add-on Creator 3D board in the UPA slot, which uses 13W3. I'm pretty sure Sun is still using 13W3 for accelerator boards. > In any case, why not use a serial console and remote display [2] all your > data from the Sun box to a display running on a PC Linux box (normally the > console although it is not necessary). > > [1] Including the one I just looked at. > > [2] Using the X protocol. It's capabilities seem to be poorly understood > even in Unix circles these days :( Re [2], I don't understand what you mean... how do you propose to have him run display data over the serial console? - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 14:40:37 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 26 Apr 2004 10:40:37 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040426024351.GA4161-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > > There should be some money in TLUG, the money that was going to be > > used to pay for incorporation. > > TLUG should remain as "mailing list". Once money is thrown in, then we > are going to have argument as to who paid, who didn't, who should get > what, and who shouldn't, ad nausum.... It doesn't happen at other LUGs that incorporate. The real problem here, though, is that there is no need for incorporation. I don't see TLUG members wanting to do anything that requires incorporation or money. The incorporation processing has been going on for 2 years now [another of my (non) efforts? ;)] and I don't see anyone clamouring for it. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 14:57:05 2004 From: legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Tom Legrady) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:57:05 -0400 Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: <20040426101239.U4781-Ps2x7ePzyFF7LI6qlHyRTut9PbzLEVqO0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> <20040426101239.U4781@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: <408D2341.3040605@rogers.com> Julian C. Dunn wrote: >Some Ultra 10's (like mine) have an add-on Creator 3D board in the UPA >slot, which uses 13W3. I'm pretty sure Sun is still using 13W3 for >accelerator boards. > > >>[2] Using the X protocol. It's capabilities seem to be poorly understood >>even in Unix circles these days :( >> >> > >Re [2], I don't understand what you mean... how do you propose to have him >run display data over the serial console? > > If you have an accelerator card, then probably you want to view the graphics generated by it, so you will have to find yourself the adapter. But if the Sun generated ordinary slow video, you could connect the serial output to a terminal or to another computer. During boot, the Sun will use the serial output as the console, I think only if there is no keyboard connected directly. Once the computer has booted, you can connect from another computer through the network, set your DISPLAY variable to the remote display ( if it wasn't set automatically ), and then run software on the Sun with the display on the remote machine. In this case, the graphics hardware on the Sun is simply a power drain, totally unused. If your desktop machine has a top-notch graphics card, I doubt that a few-year-old Sun accelerator would keep up, so spend your money on network cables and run the Sun headless. Tom -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 15:03:02 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:03:02 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> Matt, Can you tell me why people want to incorporate TLUG? On top of the initial cost, it would seem that the ongoing reporting, governance requirements would be burdensome unless there was a real reason that TLUG needed the liability protection. That said, I think that it might be helpful to incorporate the Adopt project and create some sort of service agreement that can be used else there is a bigger risk of liability. Noah On 26 Apr 2004 10:40:37 -0400 "G. Matthew Rice" wrote: > William Park writes: > > > There should be some money in TLUG, the money that was going to be > > > used to pay for incorporation. > > > > TLUG should remain as "mailing list". Once money is thrown in, then we > > are going to have argument as to who paid, who didn't, who should get > > what, and who shouldn't, ad nausum.... > > It doesn't happen at other LUGs that incorporate. The real problem here, > though, is that there is no need for incorporation. I don't see TLUG members > wanting to do anything that requires incorporation or money. > > The incorporation processing has been going on for 2 years now [another of my > (non) efforts? ;)] and I don't see anyone clamouring for it. > -- > g. matthew rice starnix inc. > phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada > http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- Noah John Gellner J.D. Candidate (2006) University of Toronto Faculty of Law (416) 364-7550 noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 15:22:25 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: <20040426101239.U4781-Ps2x7ePzyFF7LI6qlHyRTut9PbzLEVqO0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> <20040426101239.U4781@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > > [2] Using the X protocol. It's capabilities seem to be poorly understood > > even in Unix circles these days :( > > Re [2], I don't understand what you mean... how do you propose to have him > run display data over the serial console? No :) I meant using the serial console for emergency stuff only and accessing the box over the network the rest of the time. With properly configured ssh, access to the Sun from a PC (running Linux,FreeBSD,etc) can be completely transparent, right up to displaying graphical apps directly from the Sun. A user can be forgiven for not realising if an app is running locally or remotely. As I'm sure Julian and others know, this cross-platform/cross-operating system capability is a fundamental feature of X. It is extremely useful in instances where a particular app is available only on a restricted range of platforms or operating systems. Cheers, Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 15:32:58 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 26 Apr 2004 11:32:58 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040426110302.5cd8d487-bi+AKbBUZKZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> Message-ID: Noah John Gellner writes: > Matt, Can you tell me why people want to incorporate TLUG? On top of the > initial cost, it would seem that the ongoing reporting, governance > requirements would be burdensome I can't tell you because I don't understand it. The arguments that I've heard seem to be kind of circular. Q: Why are we incorporating? A: We need to incorporate so that we have more credability when accepting money and donations. Q: What do we need money and donations for? So far everything's been covered by UofT, Ryerson, idirect, iplink, ... A: Well, there will be costs associated with incorporation. We need money for that. rinse, repeat... > unless there was a real reason that TLUG needed the liability protection. That may be a good reason for incorporating. Although, we've been running TLUG for 10 years with no problem [yeah, yeah. past performance... :)]. I'm not against TLUG incorporating, per se. I would just like to see it followed up with something real. Look at what OCLUG [and www.osw.ca] and PLUG [and www.plug.ca; note the computer stuff] are doing. It puts us to shame. We should have the largest LUG in the country. Instead, we have NewTLUG splitting off because of: - an unwillingness to hold TLUG meetings anywhere but the TO core - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] I'd be happy even if we just used the "money" to pay some of the freight to get well-known speakers here in order to get more people out to meetings. I don't think that we've been able to match the attendance from Bob Young's visit back in 1998 or 1999. > That said, I think that it might be helpful to incorporate the Adopt > project and create some sort of service agreement that can be used else > there is a bigger risk of liability. Noah I agree there. Not many people know what you're talking about on this matter, though :) -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From evan-WHMkLBA7RDE at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 20:54:19 2004 From: evan-WHMkLBA7RDE at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:54:19 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <408D76FB.3050909@lpi.org> Colin McGregor wrote: >Well it would seem TLUG has been taken over and nobody told us: > > http://www.linux.ca/library/linux/lug.shtml > >Seems Evan Leibovitch is now our glorious leader. All hail the glorious leader!!! > > Thank you. I am always appreciative of recognition by my subjects, though I'm at a loss to know what has recently happened for me to deserve it. >(who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the Real World >Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan Leibovitch's associate >Matthew Rice). > > Truth be told, it was due to the show organizers who saw the 2003 TLUG booth as an embarrassment and refused to stage a repeat. Last year there were no TLUG brochures at the booth, but plenty of consultants using it as a base to hawk new clients. So show organizers asked if CLUE could do the double duty of representing LPI (of which it is an official affiliate) and the local user community, in the absence of any concrete proposals from TLUG to improve over what happened in 2003. So indeed the local community was represented by the CLUE booth, which was the result of action (and a considerable amount of work) by Matt. How easy it must be for people to sit on their asses and expect others to do their work for them, then insult those who step forward for either doing too much or not doing enough. So go ahead and stay sore. For better or for worse, TLUG is not incorporated, so it has been CLUE which has historically signed and taken legal responsibility for local community presence at RWL and all previous Toronto trade shows such as Comdex Canada. Colin (or anyone else) is welcome to (try to) resurrect the business-card stand that was the 2003 TLUG booth, in the future. You have a long head start for the 2005 show. - Your glorious leader -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 21:56:29 2004 From: jli-QLxtTeTYYoQsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (John Li) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:56:29 -0400 Subject: About my Out of Office response email Message-ID: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> Dear TLUG users, First of all I feel really sorry about the annoying that those Out of Office emails brought to you and I was surprised also this morning when I got back to office. It's not working the way I setup the responding rule because I only setup to respond emails directly sent to me, not to the email list ! After digging into the list archive and my email history with the help from my system admin, I feel it's very necessary to tell you guys what have happened. 1. There is no Out of Office email in the list archive so I am assuming my email program didn't send that email to the list address. 2. Not every one got Out of Office response when they posted their message to the list. 3. A guy impersonated me to send me a email on Apr 17 and email log indicates it's from node1.opengeometry.net 4. A guy send out a email with my contact info to the list on Apr 24 and the email log indicates it's from node1.opengeometry.net. Please note this is obviously violating my privacy !!! 5. I got some people using telnet into my email server and send me email directly 6. A lot of email sent to me directly by telnet into my email server and impersonating they are from email addresses who claimed they got the Out of Office response. Based on those, it's clearly that this event could possibly caused by someone intentionally or by some kind of virus out there but not on my systems. I did the proper setup so please don't blame on me any more. Also I want to point out that item no. 4 is extremely un-acceptable and I want that guy try his best to remove the impact ASAP. I will hold my right on that according to Canadian law and please remember your information is logged everywhere as well. Hopefully you guys are still reading this and let's build the clean, safer community together. Thanks. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 22:39:18 2004 From: mike.kirk-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Mike Kirk) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:39:18 -0400 Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Message-ID: <089801c42bdf$50564930$1b00a8c0@cruncher> > > > I recently bought a Sun Ultra 10 used with Gentoo installed. I'd like to use > > > it with a PC monitor, but I can't find any stores in my area that stock the > > > adapter I need (http://www.computerplug.com/adapter_13w3vga1.htm). I'm > > > > Hi Mike. Your Ultra 10 has a 13W3? Every Ultra 10 (or Ultra 5 [1]) I've > > ever seen uses VGA out. Are you sure this isn't a SpaceStation 10 (SS10)? > > Sun dropped 13W3 in preference to VGA long ago. > > Some Ultra 10's (like mine) have an add-on Creator 3D board in the UPA > slot, which uses 13W3. I'm pretty sure Sun is still using 13W3 for > accelerator boards. Thanks for the replies: yes, my Ultra 10 came with a Creator 3D installed (it shipped that way with the extra "Creator 3D" logo on the case). For now I've yanked it out so it uses the onboard ATI VGA, but I was thinking that if an adapter wasn't too pricey I'd like to use the Creator, if only because it has more memory to drive higher colour depths. It's working fine via ssh, but I'd like to tinker with it, including playing with the desktop. CDE may be ugly, and Gnome may be painfully slow (333 MHz CPU), but it helps me pass the time :) Regards, Mike -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 23:07:46 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:07:46 -0400 Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961-Lp/cVzEoVyYVSouV3EDkfwAHDTeR/6sY@public.gmane.org> References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> Message-ID: <200404261907.46126.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 26 April 2004 17:56, John Li wrote: > First of all I feel really sorry about the annoying that those Out of > Office emails brought to you and I was surprised also this morning when I > got back to office. It's not working the way I setup the responding rule > because I only setup to respond emails directly sent to me, not to the > email list ! Apology accepted. > After digging into the list archive and my email history with the help from > my system admin, I feel it's very necessary to tell you guys what have > happened. > > 1. There is no Out of Office email in the list archive so I am assuming my > email program didn't send that email to the list address. Thankfully it didn't, otherwise the list would have melted down. Sending an outofoffice message more than once per day to a given address is asking for trouble regardless of whether it's a mailing list or not. Your auto responder sent a response to everyone that posted recently and for every single post. I'd be interested/suprised to hear from anyone that didn't receive your message after posting to the list in the past week (or so). > 2. Not every one got Out of Office response when they posted their message > to the list. Certainly I could be wrong but I doubt this, maybe I'm special and that's why I got so many from you. Maybe I should lay of the crack, did I imagine the dozen+ emails that you sent to me? > 4. A guy send out a email with my contact info to the list on Apr 24 and > the email log indicates it's from node1.opengeometry.net. Please note this > is obviously violating my privacy !!! That was a very strange thing to do, I really didn't see the point. Your contact information is fully public though so he really didn't reveal anything that someone with a brain couldn't have found anyway. > 5. I got some people using telnet into my email server and send me email > directly > 6. A lot of email sent to me directly by telnet into my email server and > impersonating they are from email addresses who claimed they got the Out of > Office response. They used telnet to connect to the smtp port and send email or they used telnet to connect to the telnet servive of your mail server? If they telnetted to use smtp how would you know that??? > Based on those, it's clearly that this event could possibly caused by > someone intentionally or by some kind of virus out there but not on my > systems. I did the proper setup so please don't blame on me any more. Your outofoffice was screwed up. Everyone makes mistakes / software often doesn't work the way we'd like. > Also I want to point out that item no. 4 is extremely un-acceptable and I > want that guy try his best to remove the impact ASAP. I will hold my right > on that according to Canadian law and please remember your information is > logged everywhere as well. The correct action would have been the removal of your address from the mailing list immediately upon it being obvious that you weren't responding to the complaints (you were out of office after all). Unfortunately tlug-owner-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (and owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) seems to be a black hole, I've emailed several times to that address in the past about problems and have never received a response. Without a list admin that cares these problems can never be dealt with appropriately. > Hopefully you guys are still reading this and let's build the clean, safer > community together. That sounds like a good plan. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 23:37:40 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 26 Apr 2004 19:37:40 -0400 Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: <200404261907.46126.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> <200404261907.46126.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > Unfortunately tlug-owner-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (and owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) seems to be a black > hole, I've emailed several times to that address in the past about problems > and have never received a response. Without a list admin that cares these > problems can never be dealt with appropriately. I can confirm that my non-efforts may or may not have contributed to your non-response from tlug-owner admins. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 23:40:17 2004 From: peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Peter King) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:40:17 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request Message-ID: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> I'm thinking of getting an LCD monitor. But recently I've gotten burned with computer hardware purchases, and thought I'd ask for advice first. Most of my work is with text, often in console but sometimes in xdvi or xpdf; I don't need 3D acceleration or anything of the sort, but a sharp display is a must. It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a video card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results than analogue connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Many LCD monitors -- certainly those capable of 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 resolution, which is good for my purposes -- have DVI inputs. --> Question [1]: Any recommendations for DVI-enabled LCD monitors at higher resolutions? Good, bad, horror stories? I run Debian (testing), with XFree 4.3.0.1. In the past, people have said good things about ATI support; there are a variety of Radeon cards (all somewhat older it seems) covered by this release of X, and at least some of them, such as the Radeon 7000 or 9500, have DVI output. --> Question [2]: Any recommendations among the various ATI cards? Or should I be looking at some other manufacturer for this? Again, the good/bad/horrific stories are all useful. Thanks! -- Peter King peter.king-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Department of Philosophy 215 Huron Street The University of Toronto (416)-978-3788 ofc Toronto, ON M5S 1A1 CANADA http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/ ========================================================================= GPG keyID 0x7587EC42 (2B14 A355 46BC 2A16 D0BC 36F5 1FE6 D32A 7587 EC42) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 7587EC42 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Mon Apr 26 23:57:20 2004 From: john.moniz-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Moniz Family) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:57:20 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040426024351.GA4161-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <408DA1E0.2080101@sympatico.ca> William Park wrote: >On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:13:09PM -0400, Moniz Family wrote: > > >>William Park wrote: >> >> >>>On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 09:35:24PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> >>> >>>>(who is still somewhat sore that TLUG did not have a booth at the >>>>Real World Linux Show, seemingly due to (non) efforts of Evan >>>>Leibovitch's associate Matthew Rice). >>>> >>>> >>>Why? There is no money in TLUG, and booth costs money. >>> >>> >>There should be some money in TLUG, the money that was going to be >>used to pay for incorporation. >> >> > >TLUG should remain as "mailing list". Once money is thrown in, then we >are going to have argument as to who paid, who didn't, who should get >what, and who shouldn't, ad nausum.... > > That's not what I meant. There was, at one time, money held by tlug in some account (or under someone's mattress maybe). Part of the reason for the fund was to pay for incorporation, which never happened. Therefore, there should already be money in tlug. How the money is being managed is a mystery to me, but perhaps not to others. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 01:16:15 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> <200404261907.46126.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Fraser Campbell writes: > > Unfortunately tlug-owner-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org (and owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org) seems to be a black > > hole, I've emailed several times to that address in the past about problems > > and have never received a response. Without a list admin that cares these > > problems can never be dealt with appropriately. > > I can confirm that my non-efforts may or may not have contributed to your > non-response from tlug-owner admins. I'll volunteer as a second list admin if it is deemed one is needed. I've adminned lists before so feel up to the job :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 01:31:38 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:31:38 -0400 Subject: Website framework Message-ID: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Howdy all, My company is doing a new site for a political candidate for a 2005 elections. They are looking for something like johnkerry.com and would like it to be done within a month or so. I would like something with a lot of features out of the box and easy to skin. I think it would be cool to use an open source package on a site like this, which is going to get huge exposure. Does anyone have suggestions for an open source framework to build this on? We have been looking at drupal (too complicated), PHPNuke (A possible, but it would require a lot of work), Mambo (not sure), ??? Any suggestions? Thanks, Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 01:42:33 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200404262142.33765.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 26, 2004 09:31 pm, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Does anyone have suggestions for an open source framework to build this > on? We have been looking at drupal (too complicated), PHPNuke (A > possible, but it would require a lot of work), Mambo (not sure), ??? i'm a fan of fusebox (www.fusebox.org) it's easy to write modules for it and if coded properly, infinitely expandable. by the time you're done, everything you've written is in modlues and reuseable throught your app. i might even be interested in helping out -- if you're with the right party ;-) -- leadership is the art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it. - dwight d. eisenhower -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 01:58:26 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:58:26 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20040427015826.GA4044@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 09:31:38PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > My company is doing a new site for a political candidate for a 2005 > elections. They are looking for something like johnkerry.com and would > like it to be done within a month or so. I would like something with a > lot of features out of the box and easy to skin. I think it would be > cool to use an open source package on a site like this, which is going > to get huge exposure. > > Does anyone have suggestions for an open source framework to build this > on? We have been looking at drupal (too complicated), PHPNuke (A > possible, but it would require a lot of work), Mambo (not sure), ??? > > Any suggestions? I recall reading that one of the web sites during the presidential primaries was written as open source. I don't think it was Kerry's, though. When it was found, the group reporting on this checked about the candidate's opinions, but he was not sufficiently aware of the meaning of open source for it to have been a deliberate choice by him, just by the web designer. So, that gives you two suggestions: (1) Search for the code in case my memory is right and hope the code happens to be useful or adaptable to your needs. (2) Make sure that you brief the candidate so (s)he can respond knowledgeably and catch the geek vote. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 01:49:45 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:49:45 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20040427014945.GA10551@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 09:31:38PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Howdy all, > > My company is doing a new site for a political candidate for a 2005 > elections. They are looking for something like johnkerry.com and would > like it to be done within a month or so. I would like something with a > lot of features out of the box and easy to skin. I think it would be > cool to use an open source package on a site like this, which is going > to get huge exposure. > > Does anyone have suggestions for an open source framework to build this > on? We have been looking at drupal (too complicated), PHPNuke (A > possible, but it would require a lot of work), Mambo (not sure), ??? > > Any suggestions? There isn't that much at johnkerry.com. So, you would be better off to do it manually. Lots of

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    , ... :-) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From efmccurdy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 02:08:41 2004 From: efmccurdy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (efmccurdy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:08:41 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:31:38 EDT." <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200404270208.i3R28fno018033@CPE0004ac153a17-CM012059935850.cpe.net.cale.rogers.com> Sid, You may want to look at Plone, http://plone.org/, it comes with a lot of features built in that would be useful for a political web site. Regards, Ed -- Edward F. McCurdy, | efmccurdy-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 02:46:58 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:46:58 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <200404262142.33765.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404262142.33765.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <003801c42c01$f9132f30$6401a8c0@main> > i might even be interested in helping out -- if you're with the right > party ;-) > Than you for the tip Gabriel. Fusebox looks good, but seems to be a lot more work and a higher learning curve to get up and running than something like Plone. I will download it and take a look. As to the candidate, he is running for office in New York City in 2005. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 02:49:53 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:49:53 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <20040427014945.GA10551-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427014945.GA10551@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <003b01c42c02$54adf5a0$6401a8c0@main> > There isn't that much at johnkerry.com. So, you would be better off to > do it manually. Lots of

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Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 03:07:58 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:07:58 -0600 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040426234017.GA7169-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> Message-ID: <20040427030758.GB9503@idiom.novusordo.net> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a video > card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results than analogue > connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Aye, that'd be the point. ;) > Many LCD monitors -- certainly those capable of 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 > resolution, which is good for my purposes -- have DVI inputs. > > --> Question [1]: Any recommendations for DVI-enabled LCD monitors > at higher resolutions? Good, bad, horror stories? I have an 18" LCD monitor at work that displays at 1280x1024. It seems to work just fine, and has both VGA and DVI inputs. > --> Question [2]: Any recommendations among the various ATI cards? Or > should I be looking at some other manufacturer for > this? Again, the good/bad/horrific stories are all > useful. The general wisdom that I'm aware of is that Matrox cards produce crisper output than ATI cards, which produce cripser output than NVidia cards. (there was an article with oscilloscope captures, but I sure can't find it now...so take that for what it's worth) Now, that's probably far less relevant on an LCD display, because the pixels are crisply bounded in the physical domain, not in the signal's domain. That being said, there are two things you should do to ensure a crisp image on any LCD: 1) Use it at native resolution 2) "retrain" the monitor to the specific video source As far as I can tell, my monitor at work samples the video input signal at regular points; if you just toss a random signal at it, it will do its best to guess where pixels lie with respect to the vsync and hsync signals, but it's not perfect. I noticed 'buzzing' of pixels at high contrast boundaries (like non-antialiased black text on a white background). The monitor's OSD has an option to "auto-tune" the display, which proceeded to make the screen look funky for a few seconds, and then left everything CRYSTAL clear. I have to do that when switching between the desktop's Matrox card and the laptop's ATI chipset. It's perfectly useable without, but that extra level of crispness is but a config setting away. DVI probably does not suffer from this problem, though, being digital and all. ;) -- taa I am suggesting we examine the damage to children whose childhoods might not even be called strict. --Karen Walant /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 03:12:25 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:12:25 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200404262312.25796.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 26, 2004 09:31 pm, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > Does anyone have suggestions for an open source framework to build this > on? We have been looking at drupal (too complicated), PHPNuke (A > possible, but it would require a lot of work), Mambo (not sure), ??? oo! another one that's really sweet is "smarty" (smarty.php.net) it's got a built-in cacheing engine and is designed to be easy to separate code and design. so your designers can play with the templates while the developers can write the "real" code ;-) if you're using gentoo, it's as easy as "emerge smarty" -- "mr. ghandi, what do you think of western civilization?" "i think it would be a good idea." - reporter to mahatma ghandi -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 03:27:40 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:27:40 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <200404262312.25796.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <001c01c42bf7$66156090$6401a8c0@main> <200404262312.25796.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404262327.41007.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 26 April 2004 23:12, gabriel wrote: > oo! another one that's really sweet is "smarty" (smarty.php.net) it's got > a built-in cacheing engine and is designed to be easy to separate code and > design. so your designers can play with the templates while the developers > can write the "real" code ;-) I've been using smarty for a while and agree on that. It keeps the code clean, of course the html can get messy (darn template tags). If you want something more that just a template system you might want to look at mamboserver ... I haven't used it so I can only say that it looks interesting. > if you're using gentoo, it's as easy as "emerge smarty" If on Debian "apt-get install smarty" ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 03:39:10 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:39:10 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <200404262327.41007.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404262327.41007.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <005001c42c09$38ab8870$6401a8c0@main> > If you want something more that just a template system you might want to > look > at mamboserver ... I haven't used it so I can only say that it looks > interesting. I have an install of Mambo "out of the box" http://thetechchat.com/ Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 03:45:22 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:45:22 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <005001c42c09$38ab8870$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <005001c42c09$38ab8870$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <200404262345.22558.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Monday 26 April 2004 23:39, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > I have an install of Mambo "out of the box" http://thetechchat.com/ Doh, didn't see that you mentioned mambo in your original email. What have you thought of Mambo so far? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 04:09:45 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:09:45 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <200404262345.22558.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404262345.22558.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <006d01c42c0d$7fbf3190$6401a8c0@main> > Doh, didn't see that you mentioned mambo in your original email. What > have > you thought of Mambo so far? I had an extra domain and thought I would try it out on the server. I like it, but have not tried to break it out of it's out of the box functionality. It seems to lend itself to a tech/news type of site, it would be nice if there were more modules included and it was easier to mod. Other than that, it seems pretty cool. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 04:11:27 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:11:27 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <200404262345.22558.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404262345.22558.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <006e01c42c0d$bcde9fc0$6401a8c0@main> > Doh, didn't see that you mentioned mambo in your original email. What > have > you thought of Mambo so far? If you want to check out the admin side of things, you can log in using u/ yossi p/ walla Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 04:17:07 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:17:07 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <006d01c42c0d$7fbf3190$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <006d01c42c0d$7fbf3190$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <007001c42c0e$8e2f3800$6401a8c0@main> Sorry, that last link was the front end (articles, links, etc.) admin. The back end admin is accessible at http://thetechchat.com/administrator/ u/ yossi p/ apple45 Cheers -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 04:31:02 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn - Lists) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:31:02 -0400 Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: <089801c42bdf$50564930$1b00a8c0-ExAPTJ35rt4@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> <089801c42bdf$50564930$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Message-ID: <1083040261.4134.127.camel@jupiter.acf.aquezada.com> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 18:39, Mike Kirk wrote: > Thanks for the replies: yes, my Ultra 10 came with a Creator 3D installed > (it shipped that way with the extra "Creator 3D" logo on the case). For now > I've yanked it out so it uses the onboard ATI VGA, but I was thinking that > if an adapter wasn't too pricey I'd like to use the Creator, if only because > it has more memory to drive higher colour depths. Here's a contrarian question: have you thought about just buying a Sun monitor? They're actually quite nice (being Sony Trinitrons) and these folks on eBay sell lots of miscellaneous Sun stuff (I bought my U10 there): http://cgi6.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=tec-comp&sort=2&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1 They are in North York and have local pickup so you can avoid the shipping. My co-worker bought a pair of these monitors and he's using one to watch television now :) > It's working fine via ssh, but I'd like to tinker with it, including playing > with the desktop. CDE may be ugly, and Gnome may be painfully slow (333 MHz > CPU), but it helps me pass the time :) I think you'll find the Creator 3D helps a lot with the speed issue. - Julian -- -- Julian C. Dunn, B.A.Sc. -- Senior Technical Consultant, OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. -- Phone: (416) 669-3073 PGP Key: 0x2B9F9D3E -- OpenTrend: Reliable, secure solutions to real world problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 05:36:03 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:36:03 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <003b01c42c02$54adf5a0$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427014945.GA10551@node1.opengeometry.net> <003b01c42c02$54adf5a0$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20040427053603.GA12848@node1.opengeometry.net> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 10:49:53PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > There isn't that much at johnkerry.com. So, you would be better off > > to do it manually. Lots of

      ,
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        , ... :-) > > While its true John Kerry does have a very minimalistic site with > little in the way of framework and tons of content, he seems to have a > legion of supporters populating the site. We have perhaps five percent > of the content he does, so we will be filling the site with media, > video clips, press releases, etc. When things start warming up > regarding the election, we will be running a blog, schedule, photo > slide show, etc. By "manual", I mean manual writing of individual HTML sections, but automatic generation of final format using scripts. Untold number of manhour have gone into filesystem. So, it's not a bad place to store data and implement data structure. For example, 2nd section in left column of is GET INFORMED About John About Teresa On the Issues ... which are links to sub-directories, About John About Teresa On the Issues ... And, if you click 'On_the_Issues', you get bunch of subsections John Kerry on the Issues ... Restoring Jobs and Rebuilding Our Economy ... Winning the Peace in Iraq ... in the centre column, and list of links 100 Days to Change America Agriculture AIDS ... in the right column. This kind of nested web content can be effectively modelled by filesystem, ie. GET_INFORMED/ GET_INFORMED/On_the_Issues/ GET_INFORMED/On_the_Issues/Restoring_Jobs_and_Rebuilding_Our_Economy/ ... This way, you don't need to install anything or learn any new language, because you already have filesystem and already know shell/editor. For example, to generate HTML code for GET_INFORMED section, cd GET_INFORMED printf '

        %s

        \n' `basename $PWD` for i in */; do i=${i//_/ } printf '%s\n' "$i" "${i%/}" done This script can be located locally under GET_INFORMED directory, because it's responsible for only GET_INFORMED directory. This is reminicent of OO-like object.method() of Python or Ruby, except you use directory/script instead. You would generate 'index.html' for each directory by calling 'script' in that directory, because only that directory "knows" what kind of data are contained there. No disrespect to PHP guys... :-) -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 18:44:50 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:44:50 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: <20040424212928.GB18937-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040424212928.GB18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: Fyi, the (?!...) version made almost no difference to the runtime (over ~3000 matches). The difference was maybe 5% (same machine, same load, same testfile). But it works fine. Now how do I find a eregexp package in C that supports (?!...) ... I suspect that if I could borrow code from carnivore ... (just kidding). Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Sun Apr 25 17:59:00 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:59:00 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: Out of office (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200404241838.27769.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404241838.27769.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Saturday 24 April 2004 16:17, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > > For Pete's sake put a filter on this guy already. > > Bah, top poster ;-) > > The message is quite annoying, the autoresponder is not even smart enough to > limit itself to one message per day. Never mind the mickeysoft autoresponder, why does the *mailing list* software not autmagically drop such messages ? This should be a standard feature, no ? I haven't seen it in either majordomo, nor mailman. Hmm. Peter > FWIW, I emailed the guy privately and asked him to look into his out of > office software ... it wasn't clear to me that anyone had made any > attempt to contact the guy, Did you get an out of office response to your private email ? ;-) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 08:29:42 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:29:42 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: <200404261907.46126.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> <200404261907.46126.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Monday 26 April 2004 17:56, John Li wrote: > > > First of all I feel really sorry about the annoying that those Out of > > Office emails brought to you and I was surprised also this morning when I > > got back to office. It's not working the way I setup the responding rule > > because I only setup to respond emails directly sent to me, not to the > > email list ! > > Apology accepted. Spend 5 seconds and realise what would have happened to the list server if *two* people would have had an autoresponder on at the same time. Preferrably such that one will already be running and the second would just manage to send a last message to him before turning on his autoresponder. Autoresponder blocking is not a mailing list software feature, it's a *requirement*. There is no need to apologize, s**t happens. But there should be safeties in the system to make sure it does not spread. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 10:22:03 2004 From: robert-yzlPDbdf3LosA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Robert McDonald) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:22:03 -0400 Subject: Website framework References: <005001c42c09$38ab8870$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <001001c42c41$7f833c60$0b01a8c0@2k> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidney Shapiro" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: RE: [TLUG]: Website framework > > If you want something more that just a template system you might want > to > > look > > at mamboserver ... I haven't used it so I can only say that it looks > > interesting. > > I have an install of Mambo "out of the box" http://thetechchat.com/ > > Sid There is a new verson of mambo http://higherconsciousness.net with some interesting plugins ( click on the MUSIKPLAYER left menu ) I lean towards e107 http://lampware.org not as well known but more functional from the backend Robert -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 11:21:23 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:21:23 -0400 Subject: regexp In-Reply-To: References: <20040424182219.GA1754@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040424184333.GA18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040424212928.GB18937@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040427112123.GC4044@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 09:44:50PM +0300, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > Fyi, the (?!...) version made almost no difference to the runtime (over > ~3000 matches). The difference was maybe 5% (same machine, same load, same > testfile). But it works fine. Now how do I find a eregexp package in C > that supports (?!...) ... I suspect that if I could borrow code from > carnivore ... (just kidding). Someone already mentioned the pcre (perl compatible regular expression) package. I'd guess that you can find that on sourceforge, but google is your friend. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 12:25:31 2004 From: lists-JN5fZfbfKAtWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Julian C. Dunn) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Out of office (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <200404241838.27769.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040427082421.P73125@aphrodite.acf.aquezada.com> On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Peter L. Peres wrote: > Never mind the mickeysoft autoresponder, why does the *mailing list* > software not autmagically drop such messages ? This should be a standard > feature, no ? I haven't seen it in either majordomo, nor mailman. Hmm. The problem is that the OOO messages went to the poster privately, and not to the mailing list address. Otherwise we surely would all be even more up in arms about this :-) - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 13:33:10 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:33:10 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <4087CED7.2080201-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 22 April 2004 09:55, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based > on a discussion that started on this very list: > . Banks 'n' Browsers shows which > banks worked with which browsers. I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. Rather than trying another email exchange with them I think it would be a good idea to resurrect a list/site such as Evan put together. Perhaps expand it to allow much more detail. I'm not sure that Evan has the time (Evan?) but I'd be willing to put some time into it. banksthatsuck.ca is available :-) > actively blocks Linux browsers. They upgraded it on the weekend, and > even though they claim to support Netscape 7.1, it's blocking on the > fact that it doesn't find Windows or Mac in the user-agent string. Have you found any reason for their browser check, use of activex would eliminate Linux as a viable platformfor example. > Happy Earth Day, btw! A belated happy earth day to you too, I look forward to the trees that I planted being 30 metres tall. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 13:47:42 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:47:42 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <200404270933.10749.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040427134742.GA11890@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:33:10AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Thursday 22 April 2004 09:55, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based > > on a discussion that started on this very list: > > . Banks 'n' Browsers shows which > > banks worked with which browsers. > > I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website > forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. The Metro Credit Union site tells me that it doesn't support Netscape when I come in on Mozilla - but then goes ahead and works correctly anyhow without any spoofing needed to bypass their misconception. -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 13:53:06 2004 From: ivan.frey-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ivan Avery Frey) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:53:06 -0400 Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961-Lp/cVzEoVyYVSouV3EDkfwAHDTeR/6sY@public.gmane.org> References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> Message-ID: <408E65C2.9000103@utoronto.ca> I posted to the list twice and received two out of office responses. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 13:55:42 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:55:42 -0400 Subject: Perl, Web front end, access rights - Help a newbie? Message-ID: <408E665E.1070400@alteeve.com> Hi all, First and foremost, I am a strict newbie when it comes to perl programming so please be gentle ;). I am trying to write a somewhat simple program that will let me use a webpage front end to generate a list of files and folders to be copied from of partition onto another. My question is: How can I get 'root' access to the server via a CGI script? I am pretty sure that it can be does because CUPS seems to do it (I have to enter the 'root' username and password before I can manage printers). I have already written the first part where I use two lists, one for valid source partitions (which can only be read from) and one for valid destination partitions (which can be accessed read/write) and any other partition will be ignored. The script verifies that at least one valid source and one valid destinatiton exists before continuing. Now I want to start the webifying but I need your help (pretty please?)! I am trying to decifer the CUPS source but it is quite out of my league so alas... :) Madison -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:19:06 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:19:06 -0400 Subject: Perl, Web front end, access rights - Help a newbie? In-Reply-To: <408E665E.1070400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408E665E.1070400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <200404271019.06616.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 April 2004 09:55, Madison Kelly wrote: > My question is: How can I get 'root' access to the server via a CGI > script? I am pretty sure that it can be does because CUPS seems to do it > (I have to enter the 'root' username and password before I can manage > printers). cups runs as root and has a built in webserver, apache generally does not run as root. You could run apache as root but it's not recommended. > I have already written the first part where I use two lists, one for > valid source partitions (which can only be read from) and one for valid > destination partitions (which can be accessed read/write) and any other > partition will be ignored. The script verifies that at least one valid > source and one valid destinatiton exists before continuing. Now I want > to start the webifying but I need your help (pretty please?)! One approach is using sudo to call command line scripts with appropriate paramaters (and parameter checking). You could also have a root cronjob (or even a continually running process) that keeps an eye out for new jobs ... the cgi script can store those jobs in a database, a file, it could communicate with your other process, etc. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:29:56 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:29:56 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Media player now runs on Linux Message-ID: <200404271029.56648.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Hi, Turbo Linux has created a media player for Linux that uses Microsoft media player code. While it doesn't sound like a native port of media player (misleading title) it is interesting that Microsoft would allow any of their code to be used on Linux: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15547 -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:31:44 2004 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:31:44 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040426234017.GA7169-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> Message-ID: <20040427143144.GA2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > I'm thinking of getting an LCD monitor. But recently I've gotten burned > with computer hardware purchases, and thought I'd ask for advice first. > Most of my work is with text, often in console but sometimes in xdvi or > xpdf; I don't need 3D acceleration or anything of the sort, but a sharp > display is a must. > It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a video > card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results than analogue > connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) In general it should, but not necessarily. I recall seeing a review for a monitor that actually produced *worse* quality through its DVI input. I've been looking into an LCD monitor myself, and here's generally what I've observed: - There are very few LCD panel makers, but many monitor makers. The brand of monitor matters, because different manufacturers use different qualities of components, like circuitry and (important!) backlights. - The principal trade-off at the moment seems to be between update speed and colour fidelity. The fast panels (the ones that make it possible to watch movies and play games) tend to have poor colour fidelity (6 bit colour channels). Some manufacturers then use dithering schemes to improve this somewhat, but that causes flickering in solid dark regions. - Many people seem happy with the output quality of Samsung monitors. They generally use slow panels with good colour fidelity and sharpness, but unless you're one of those freaks who can use a CRT at 1600x1200-mheWeHwAo40 at public.gmane.org and not notice, you'll never be able to play video on it. If you're picky, then you have a fair bit of research ahead of you. Just to state it clearly: if all you will ever do with your monitor is text-related or static, then you have a wide range of monitors (and panels) to choose from. But if you'll *ever* need to play video on the monitor, then you'll find that only a very few monitors (and only 2 panels IIRC) can do the job at all, and the price you pay is colour fidelity (which doesn't matter for text anyway), and possibly viewing angle and some other such things vs. the newest slow panels/monitors. I recall that there are some pretty decent introductory articles on Tom's Hardware about the topic, and they are unusually accurate and truthful considering the source. HTH. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:34:38 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:34:38 -0600 Subject: Microsoft Media player now runs on Linux In-Reply-To: <200404271029.56648.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404271029.56648.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040427143438.GB31652@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:29:56AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Turbo Linux has created a media player for Linux that uses Microsoft media > player code. While it doesn't sound like a native port of media player > (misleading title) it is interesting that Microsoft would allow any of their > code to be used on Linux: Sounds like what the mplayer folks have been doing for years now: load .dll, pass in compressed data, get back uncompressed data. Simpler than WINE! > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15547 Oh, as in actually properly licensed! Well that's neat. I wonder how much DRM has been included. I can see it now: $ /sbin/sysctl -a 2>/dev/null | grep taint kernel.tainted = 1 ;) -- taa Thousands of professors at hundreds of universities teach all manner of subjects, but there is not one single university chair for research into child abuse and cruelty to children. How strange, when we recall that the majority of the people living on this earth are victims of precisely that kind of treatment! --Empathic Parenting, p. 16, Volume 22, Issue 3, Summer 1999 /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:41:43 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:41:43 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <200404270933.10749.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408E7127.2070900@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Have you found any reason for their browser check, use of activex would > eliminate Linux as a viable platformfor example. There's no good reason. I think it's just bad JavaScript browser logic. It checks for IE or NS7, then checks for windows or mac; anything else, no dice. Not even NS7.1 on Linux. hsbc.ca are such losers. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:48:00 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:48:00 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040427143144.GA2992-XQvu0L+U/Cgi5CQI31g/s0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040427143144.GA2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> Message-ID: > - Many people seem happy with the output quality of Samsung monitors. > They generally use slow panels with good colour fidelity and > sharpness, but unless you're one of those freaks who can use a CRT at > 1600x1200-mheWeHwAo40 at public.gmane.org and not notice, you'll never be able to play video on > it. Just to throw in a little of my own personal experience... I am using a Samsung SyncMaster 191T here at work, and I really enjoy this monitor. The colour clarity and sharpness of image is really quite excellent. * We've got a dozen of these things in our lab, and thus far (9 months now) none of them have any dead pixels. * We play games here in the office all the time, and I haven't been able to notice any blurring, smearing, or slow refresh. In fact, games run quite smoothly and crisply. * We also recently had a mini-movie-night here, and again the movie output had no visible artifacts as far as anyone could tell. * It comes with both DVI and Analog inputs. -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:40:41 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:40:41 -0600 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040427143144.GA2992-XQvu0L+U/Cgi5CQI31g/s0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040427143144.GA2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040427144041.GC31652@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:31:44AM -0400, Andrej Marjan wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > In general it should, but not necessarily. I recall seeing a review for > a monitor that actually produced *worse* quality through its DVI input. Would that be a CRT monitor or an LCD monitor? I can easily see how someone could put really crappy D/A converters into a CRT, such that a good graphics card could put out better signal over a VGA cable. I don't imagine that that would be possible with the fully digital (I'd hope!) pipeline of DVI being used with an LCD. > But if you'll *ever* need to play video on the monitor, then you'll find > that only a very few monitors (and only 2 panels IIRC) can do the job at > all, and the price you pay is colour fidelity (which doesn't matter for > text anyway), and possibly viewing angle and some other such things vs. > the newest slow panels/monitors. That sounds a bit extreme. LCDs have come a LONG way in the past 5 years. The worst of the bunch now are far beyond the capabilities of the best from a short while ago. The best suggestion would be to look at them in the store. Bring a DVD and ask to watch parts of a movie. Test drive it with a word processor in the store. YOU are the best judge of how good a monitor looks, to you. ;) > I recall that there are some pretty decent introductory articles on > Tom's Hardware about the topic, and they are unusually accurate and > truthful considering the source. That's also a good idea. You may be the best judge, but it's always good to be well-informed, so that you can judge better. :) -- taa Even severest penury will have no adverse effect on the character of a child as long as that child's personal integrity is not damaged by hipocrisy, cruelty, abuse, corporal punishment, and psychological humiliation. --Empathic Parenting, p. 16, Volume 22, Issue 3, Summer 1999 /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:06:17 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser PresChoice Financial OK4 me In-Reply-To: <200404270933.10749.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408E84F9.3000805@sympatico.ca> Fraser Campbell wrote: >I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website >forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. > I've been using PC financial and linux (Mozilla) for a couple of years with no issues whatsoever. Also no trouble with (now defunct) BizSmart, TD and CIBC. YMMV, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:57:34 2004 From: amarjan-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Andrej Marjan) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:57:34 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040427143144.GA2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040427145734.GB2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:48:00AM -0400, Jing Su wrote: > * We play games here in the office all the time, and I haven't been able > to notice any blurring, smearing, or slow refresh. In fact, games run > quite smoothly and crisply. > * We also recently had a mini-movie-night here, and again the movie output > had no visible artifacts as far as anyone could tell. > * It comes with both DVI and Analog inputs. Yes, I forgot to account for my own ridiculous sensitivity to flicker etc. Ultimately everyone has to try it personally. I have problems with the 191T and video. Too bad the Big Evil Stores with wonderful return policies only seem to stock LCD's with analog inputs these days. DVI makes a big difference. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 15:12:47 2004 From: linux-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Madison Kelly) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:12:47 -0400 Subject: Perl, Web front end, access rights - Help a newbie? In-Reply-To: <200404271019.06616.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <408E665E.1070400@alteeve.com> <200404271019.06616.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408E786F.60301@alteeve.com> Thanks for the reply, Fraser! I was afraid that I CUPS did that, shoot. Other then setting Apache to run as root is there no other way to have a perl script run apps as root (given that the user has the right root password)? I am not very familiar with sudo so going that route would mean I have to learn yet more. In the end that may be best (and something I should do before finishing, anyway). I am also hoping at this point to keep things as simple as possible so that when I run into problems it is easier to find them. If I have to use sudo then I guess it'll be time to search for a good how-to... Thanks again! Madison Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Tuesday 27 April 2004 09:55, Madison Kelly wrote: > > >> My question is: How can I get 'root' access to the server via a CGI >>script? I am pretty sure that it can be does because CUPS seems to do it >>(I have to enter the 'root' username and password before I can manage >>printers). > > > cups runs as root and has a built in webserver, apache generally does not run > as root. You could run apache as root but it's not recommended. > > >> I have already written the first part where I use two lists, one for >>valid source partitions (which can only be read from) and one for valid >>destination partitions (which can be accessed read/write) and any other >>partition will be ignored. The script verifies that at least one valid >>source and one valid destinatiton exists before continuing. Now I want >>to start the webifying but I need your help (pretty please?)! > > > One approach is using sudo to call command line scripts with appropriate > paramaters (and parameter checking). > > You could also have a root cronjob (or even a continually running process) > that keeps an eye out for new jobs ... the cgi script can store those jobs in > a database, a file, it could communicate with your other process, etc. > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 14:57:52 2004 From: skuznets-WRMZ5ucGVl4BXFe83j6qeQ at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:57:52 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <001001c42c41$7f833c60$0b01a8c0-8yUEjfVmrpk@public.gmane.org> References: <005001c42c09$38ab8870$6401a8c0@main> <001001c42c41$7f833c60$0b01a8c0@2k> Message-ID: <200404271057.52589.skuznets@blueprint.org> On April 27, 2004 06:22 am, Robert McDonald wrote: > I lean towards e107 http://lampware.org not as well known but more > functional from the backend The site looks okay under Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.6, but messy under Konqueror 3.2.1 -- All the Best! Sergey Kuznetsov ================== Senior software developer Blueprint Initiative Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute Mount Sinai Hospital 522 University Ave. 9 floor Toronto, Canada Phone #: +1(416)596-8505 x 6343 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:01:05 2004 From: sidney-3Kd7Tu4o6f/sBN0MCq728g at public.gmane.org (Sidney Shapiro) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:01:05 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cb01c42c70$e2b02350$6401a8c0@main> > > * We've got a dozen of these things in our lab, and thus far (9 months > now) none of them have any dead pixels. > * We play games here in the office all the time, and I haven't been able > to notice any blurring, smearing, or slow refresh. In fact, games run > quite smoothly and crisply. > * We also recently had a mini-movie-night here, and again the movie output > had no visible artifacts as far as anyone could tell. > * It comes with both DVI and Analog inputs. I second that. I use a SyncMaster 750s and a SyncMaster 763MB for my dual display work station, both are excellent monitors. I use the 21" model at work, and it works great as well. I would certainly recommend Samsung monitors. Sid -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:01:13 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 27 Apr 2004 12:01:13 -0400 Subject: About my Out of Office response email In-Reply-To: References: <3FB02C30238FD311A1C500508B0C9A7704193961@exchange_v01.to.epost.ca> <200404261907.46126.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Robert Brockway writes: > > I can confirm that my non-efforts may or may not have contributed to your > > non-response from tlug-owner admins. > > I'll volunteer as a second list admin if it is deemed one is needed. I've > adminned lists before so feel up to the job :) Umm, my response was a dig targetted at Colin McGregor's inane assault on Evan and me. I didn't know that being listed as a contact person for a LUG on a website meant that you controlled it. Live and learn. Anyway, you'll have to try to contact the 'real' prez of TLUG, Drew Sullivan about this [yes, the guy that doesn't even bother to subscribe to his own lug's list]. Good luck with that. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:04:59 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 27 Apr 2004 12:04:59 -0400 Subject: [TLUG-ANNOUNCE]: LPI exams available along with Apr 27th NewTLUG meeting (reminder) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Herb Richter writes: > I've been asked to post this announcement to these lists: > > LPI, The Linux Professional Institute, http://www.lpi.org > will be conducting lower cost LPI certification exams, > levels 101, 102, 201 and 202 > at the same time as the next NewTLUG meeting Apr 27th > at the special price of $50.CDN discounted from the usual $100.US I was going to keep it under wraps but I also have a surprise for the first dozen or so people that show up for the exam [most of them cost more than the $50 for the exam, BTW]. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:28:31 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <200404211534.24756.cmb-h7HJ8Pof2EbbR28j2ZUwYgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <200404211534.24756.cmb@fivefortyfour.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Charly Baker wrote: > ...rootkits will often include a replacement ps and a > replacement pstree that won't show you the processes that the rootkit runs. > Treeps will... This is, at best, a temporary advantage. If its use becomes widespread, the rootkits will start covering it. The only positive way of avoiding this problem is to get the binary *and whatever shared libraries it depends on* from a known-secure machine or, preferably, a CD or other read-only storage medium. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:32:14 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:32:14 -0400 Subject: gui printer starter tool Message-ID: <408E8B0E.6090900@onlink.net> I found a gui tool a while back with which I could start my epson c84 (I don't know why it need this every once in a while). I didn't make a note of the gui tool. I'm running sarge beta. KDE. Any help would be apprieciated. Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:35:39 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:35:39 -0400 Subject: gui printer starter tool In-Reply-To: <408E8B0E.6090900-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <408E8B0E.6090900@onlink.net> Message-ID: <408E8BDB.2060308@onlink.net> Chris Aitken wrote: > I found a gui tool a while back with which I could start my epson c84 > (I don't know why it need this every once in a while). I didn't make a > note of the gui tool. I'm running sarge beta. KDE. > > Any help would be apprieciated. > > Chris > Erro I get is, unable to modify the state of the printer epson c84. error message received from manager. ipp request failed for an unknown reason. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:40:34 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:40:34 -0400 Subject: gui printer starter tool In-Reply-To: <408E8B0E.6090900-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> References: <408E8B0E.6090900@onlink.net> Message-ID: <200404271240.34590.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Tuesday 27 April 2004 12:32, Chris Aitken wrote: > I found a gui tool a while back with which I could start my epson c84 (I > don't know why it need this every once in a while). I didn't make a note > of the gui tool. I'm running sarge beta. KDE. You're probably after the cups web interface. Try http://localhost:631/ assuming that you're on localhost. I've seen that with cups sometimes, printer is "stopped" for no good reason ... anyone know why that happens? -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 16:42:47 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > >Well, I am don't know much about the actual formats, but the argument > >that having many small files is a performance penalty can easily be > >eliminated by using a specially-designed file system like reiserfs which > >can handle small files well. > > So, without reiserfs, the argument still hold? Not necessarily. Improved optimization for lots of small files is something that could reasonably happen to the code supporting most any filesystem. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 17:42:44 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 27 Apr 2004 13:42:44 -0400 Subject: Toronto store for Sun -> VGA adapter? In-Reply-To: <089801c42bdf$50564930$1b00a8c0-ExAPTJ35rt4@public.gmane.org> References: <20040425181906.29CC8442A@cbbrowne.com> <082101c42b77$effeeae0$1b00a8c0@cruncher> <089801c42bdf$50564930$1b00a8c0@cruncher> Message-ID: "Mike Kirk" writes: > > > > I recently bought a Sun Ultra 10 used with Gentoo installed. I'd like > to use > > > > it with a PC monitor, but I can't find any stores in my area that > stock the > > > > adapter I need (http://www.computerplug.com/adapter_13w3vga1.htm). I'm > > > > > > Hi Mike. Your Ultra 10 has a 13W3? Every Ultra 10 (or Ultra 5 [1]) > I've > > > ever seen uses VGA out. Are you sure this isn't a SpaceStation 10 > (SS10)? > > > Sun dropped 13W3 in preference to VGA long ago. > > > > Some Ultra 10's (like mine) have an add-on Creator 3D board in the UPA > > slot, which uses 13W3. I'm pretty sure Sun is still using 13W3 for > > accelerator boards. > > Thanks for the replies: yes, my Ultra 10 came with a Creator 3D installed > (it shipped that way with the extra "Creator 3D" logo on the case). For now > I've yanked it out so it uses the onboard ATI VGA, but I was thinking that > if an adapter wasn't too pricey I'd like to use the Creator, if only because > it has more memory to drive higher colour depths. > > It's working fine via ssh, but I'd like to tinker with it, including playing > with the desktop. CDE may be ugly, and Gnome may be painfully slow (333 MHz > CPU), but it helps me pass the time :) Again, you don't need a monitor to do that. Just configure dtlogin (CDE's version of xdm) to accept XDMCP connections. Then, on your Linux box, start X with one of: X :1 -query sun X :1 -broadcast X :1 -indirect sun depending on how you configured dtlogin. Here, "sun" is the hostname or address of your Sun and I've suggested using :1 so you can run your normal (Linux) X session on :0. If dtlogin is configured correctly, you will see the Solaris CDE graphical login dialog on :1, at which point you can login to the Sun and you'll have CDE etc. running. In terms of functionality, this setup is indistinguishable from logging into your Sun with a locally attached monitor. In fact, I used just this kind of setup with a headless Ultra 1 for several years. Even with only a 10Mbps network, performance was better than with the directly attached monitor. Now, I didn't have a Creator 3D but, then again, my Linux box was only a P120 w/ a Matrox MGA Millenium and it kicked the Sun's butt in terms of graphics performance. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 18:24:21 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:24:21 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040427144041.GC31652-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040427143144.GA2992@gondolin.dyndns.org> <20040427144041.GC31652@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: A few small details: All lcd panels (the active glass) currently made are analog in nature. They have rgb inputs to the chip-on-glass drivers. So the A/D is either in the VGA card or in the panel, and it's not so important, except the a/d's in the panel are better matched to the glass than any analog signals can be. The signal that goes into the glass is *analog* even if you use DVI connectors and the a/d's are in the panel. The DVI connector will probably be much more useful if used with a plasma display, where the steering can be fully digital. But the pixels themselves are still analog devices, and require analog signals. Same for DLP (high quality projectors). The final pixel that does the light modulating thing is analog. I do not like LCD displays very much and I will postpone buying one as long as I can. There is a 17" sony trinitron on my table ... We'll talk lcd when I can't see the difference between that and a lcd monitor *and* it has to be affordable. Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 18:35:39 2004 From: plp-ysDPMY98cNQDDBjDh4tngg at public.gmane.org (Peter L. Peres) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:35:39 +0300 (IDDT) Subject: zinf experiences ? Message-ID: Has anyone here got experience with zinf ? (http://www.zinf.org) Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 18:40:36 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:40:36 -0600 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040427184036.GA38343@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:42:47PM -0400, Henry Spencer wrote: > Not necessarily. Improved optimization for lots of small files is something > that could reasonably happen to the code supporting most any filesystem. It could...but then you'd either have to go through huge data transformations in memory and ensure that it syncs with disk all the time. It sounds like some of this has been done (I see reference to htree enhancements for ext2/3). Or you could just change the way it's all stored on disk, and do it smarter. But then you'd have something more like reiserfs. ;) Traditional UNIX filsystems just don't handle thousands of files very well, since they store directories as flat files. Really, that's silly, and any machinations to make this not a problem--but keeping them as flat files--is just silly. Note that reiser4 is pushing the envelope for what constitutes filesystem operation. It's starting to diverge heavily from the traditional UNIX feel, while still maintaining enough of the look to be used by all legacy applications. http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html -- taa Being subjected to physical attacks they are defenseless to fend off merely instills in them a "gut" conviction that children obviously merit neither protection nor respect. This false message is then stored in the children's bodies as information and will influence their view of the world and their later attitude to their own children. --Alice Miller, Ph.D. /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 19:01:14 2004 From: joehill-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (JoeHill) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:01:14 -0400 Subject: zinf experiences ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040427150114.0b70cce4.joehill@sympatico.ca> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:35:39 +0300 (IDDT) Peter L. Peres disseminated the following: > Has anyone here got experience with zinf ? (http://www.zinf.org) Didn't seem to offer any advantages over Beep Media Player or XMMS, and it's butt ugly, IMHO, compared to the aforementioned. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "We're here for a good time, not a long time..." -- Trooper -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 15:12:52 2004 From: rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:12:52 -0400 Subject: Website framework In-Reply-To: <003b01c42c02$54adf5a0$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427014945.GA10551@node1.opengeometry.net> <003b01c42c02$54adf5a0$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20040427111252.02f17cd2.rob@cheapersafer.com> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:49:53 -0400 "Sidney Shapiro" wrote: > > While its true John Kerry does have a very minimalistic site with little > in the way of framework and tons of content, he seems to have a legion > of supporters populating the site. We have perhaps five percent of the > content he does, so we will be filling the site with media, video clips, > press releases, etc. When things start warming up regarding the > election, we will be running a blog, schedule, photo slide show, etc. Here are a few resource links for info on CMS's, blogs or whatever they're calling them this week :-) http://www.cmsinfo.org http://nexist.sourceforge.net/groupware.html http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/TWikiVsOtherProducts I've been on the Democracy Onlne Coders mailing list for a while and they seem to like Twiki a lot. http://www.twiki.org/ Rob -- Rob Sutherland - rob-HoWcdTCbwWKHoZZAE0nKLw at public.gmane.org Computer Support at http://www.cheapersafer.com -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 19:49:43 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <20040427184036.GA38343-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427184036.GA38343@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Taavi Burns wrote: > > Not necessarily. Improved optimization for lots of small files is something > > that could reasonably happen to the code supporting most any filesystem. > > It could...but then you'd either have to go through huge data transformations > in memory and ensure that it syncs with disk all the time... Not really. With careful thought, upward-compatible upgrades are often possible. (Not always, but often.) Data format often can stay exactly the same during improvements. For example, maintaining on-disk consistency in a traditional filesystem design does *NOT*, repeat *NOT*, require that changes be written out immediately -- it only requires that changes be written out in the right order. More precisely, it requires that the order in which changes are written out must observe certain constraints. Tracking the order constraints is more complicated than writing things out immediately, but it's not prohibitive, and performance is vastly better with no change in on-disk data format whatsoever. "Work smarter, not harder." Even when on-disk format changes are needed, cleverness often permits doing them in an upward-compatible way. > Traditional UNIX filsystems just don't handle thousands of files very well, > since they store directories as flat files. Really, that's silly... Rather, it's a tradeoff that doesn't scale up well. But fixing it can usually be done without tearing everything up and starting over. Just takes some effort and some intelligence. Forcing people to abandon their old filesystems, tools, etc. and start over just to get performance gains is stupid, inconsiderate, and usually unnecessary. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 20:59:40 2004 From: c.f.a.johnson-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <20040427134742.GA11890-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040427134742.GA11890@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: iOn Tue, 27 Apr 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:33:10AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > On Thursday 22 April 2004 09:55, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > > > A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based > > > on a discussion that started on this very list: > > > . Banks 'n' Browsers shows which > > > banks worked with which browsers. > > > > I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website > > forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. > > The Metro Credit Union site tells me that it doesn't > support Netscape when I come in on Mozilla - but > then goes ahead and works correctly anyhow without > any spoofing needed to bypass their misconception. The site just says it doesn't support Netscape 6.0. Other versions are fine. -- Chris F.A. Johnson http://cfaj.freeshell.org ================================================================= Everything in moderation -- including moderation -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 21:09:30 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:09:30 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <200404270933.10749.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <408ECC0A.7040307@rogers.com> Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Thursday 22 April 2004 09:55, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > >>A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based >>on a discussion that started on this very list: >>. Banks 'n' Browsers shows which >>banks worked with which browsers. > > > I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website > forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. I use Mozilla on Linux to accss the PC site. No problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 21:16:19 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (gabriel) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:16:19 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <4087CED7.2080201-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <200404271716.19885.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> On April 22, 2004 09:55 am, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based > on a discussion that started on this very list: > . Banks 'n' Browsers shows which > banks worked with which browsers. > > I didn't expect to flag a deletion in these enlightened days of web > standards, but HSBC Canada's "new and improved" online banking now > actively blocks Linux browsers. They upgraded it on the weekend, and > even though they claim to support Netscape 7.1, it's blocking on the > fact that it doesn't find Windows or Mac in the user-agent string. > > The gory details: i'm a cibc user and while i used to have to pretend i'm an ie user, since they changed their system, i've had absolutely no problems doing my online banking in either konqueror or firefox. > Happy Earth Day, btw! ditto ;-) -- there is a race between developers making better idiotproof apps and the Universe making better idiots. the Universe is winning. - emmanuel seyman -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 21:59:58 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:59:58 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <200404271716.19885.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404271716.19885.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <408ED7DE.1020806@rogers.com> gabriel wrote: > On April 22, 2004 09:55 am, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >>A couple of years back, Evan Leibovitch put up a very useful page based >>on a discussion that started on this very list: >>. Banks 'n' Browsers shows which >>banks worked with which browsers. >> >>I didn't expect to flag a deletion in these enlightened days of web >>standards, but HSBC Canada's "new and improved" online banking now >>actively blocks Linux browsers. They upgraded it on the weekend, and >>even though they claim to support Netscape 7.1, it's blocking on the >>fact that it doesn't find Windows or Mac in the user-agent string. >> >>The gory details: > > > i'm a cibc user and while i used to have to pretend i'm an ie user, since they > changed their system, i've had absolutely no problems doing my online banking > in either konqueror or firefox. I've been using the CIBC site for years, with Netscape & Mozilla. No problems. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 23:12:21 2004 From: cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/ at public.gmane.org (Jeremy Wakeman) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:12:21 -0400 Subject: pc speaker Message-ID: <20040427231221.GA20148@dmz> Hi I recently upgraded a debian installation from woody to sarge, and compiled a 2.6.3 kernel. Everything seems to work fine (alsa + esd is *really* cool) except for my pc speaker. I enabled the pc speaker option in the kernel ("Y" not "M"), and /proc/bus/input/devices shows the pc speaker, but i still don't get any beeps. I found several mentions of problems with 2.6.x and the pc speaker, but none seem to have any solutions beyond "recompile with correct option" or "make sure pc speaker isn't muted in mixer" (it isn't). It could be that the pc speaker is not working because I am not on standard tty (/initrd/dev/ttyN) - I am running on a live cd. Could this be the problem? Any ideas on how I can solve it? TIA, -- Jeremy John Wakeman cael-JTkAzvGkdyMrpQx6IzTi3laTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org www.polarhome.com/~cael linux registered user #125171 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 23:30:43 2004 From: kcozens-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Kevin Cozens) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:30:43 -0400 Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <20040423194418.8185.qmail-y3p24tX8tiqA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040422112914.02f06ac0@mail.interlog.com> <20040423194418.8185.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040427163615.02e1a560@mail.interlog.com> Greetings, Mel. For some reason, parts of the message got a bit garbled. At 03:44 PM 04/23/2004, Mel Seder wrote: > > could have temporarily shutdown the network support (ieie/sbsbinervice > > network stop). > >Right you are I take it the syntax would be #/sbsbinervice network stop. Is >that correct? /sbin/service network stop > > indicated that you have open ports for LDLDAPsome unspecified service on > > port 1002, and a SQSQLatabase on port 1720. Unless you need to make these > > ports accessible to people outside your local network, you should do > > something to limit access to these ports. > >Uh Oh! My router only has the ssh port forwarded. Come to think of it I >don't >know how ftp, hthttpnd possibly others are able to communicate as they have >not been forwarded by my router. Is there a place to look to see if LDLDAPnd >SQSQLan be disabled? I assume that they are not needed unless I am running >LDLDAPnd SQSQLhich I don't think I am running? If you don't need LDAP services or a SQL database on your machine, you should modify your startup scripts so these services won't start automatically when you boot the machine. If you have it on your machine, chkconfig is one way to alter which startup scripts are run at boot time. You should also use ps and lsof to see what programs are running after your machine starts and to which ports your machine is listening. And don't forget to review the configuration of inetd. Just a heads up in case you haven't already done all of this. >However I'm scared to death of IPIPtablesnd fifilewalls If you >know of a site about momonmothaor dummies/(network impaired) newbies let me >know and alallthough can't prpromise'll try it I do prpromise will read it or >at least read it until I get too scared :-) The MonMotha script isn't that difficult to set up. You edit a few variables near the top of the script and the rest of the script builds all the rules you need. The script will typically deny any inbound connections except for the ports you specify. The main site for MonMotha is: http://monmotha.mplug.org/firewall/ Some useful documentation about the script can be found here: http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php?MonMothaReferenceGuide Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 23:45:43 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040426234017.GA7169-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Peter King wrote: > It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a video > card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results than analogue > connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) That's physically plausible, but not a law of nature. The combination of a Matrox video card and a good CRT monitor is seriously hard to beat for text and other 2D material. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org Tue Apr 27 23:27:47 2004 From: jingsu-26n5VD7DAF2Tm46uYYfjYg at public.gmane.org (Jing Su) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:27:47 -0400 Subject: pc speaker In-Reply-To: <20040427231221.GA20148-oDRTo6QHVhA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427231221.GA20148@dmz> Message-ID: > I recently upgraded a debian installation from woody to sarge, and > compiled a 2.6.3 kernel. Everything seems to work fine (alsa + esd > is *really* cool) except for my pc speaker. I enabled the pc speaker > option in the kernel ("Y" not "M"), and /proc/bus/input/devices shows > the pc speaker, but i still don't get any beeps. > > I found several mentions of problems with 2.6.x and the pc speaker, but > none seem to have any solutions beyond "recompile with correct option" > or "make sure pc speaker isn't muted in mixer" (it isn't). It could > be that the pc speaker is not working because I am not on standard > tty (/initrd/dev/ttyN) - I am running on a live cd. Could this be > the problem? Any ideas on how I can solve it? I also had trouble getting PC speaker when compiled in instead of module. Compile the PC speaker as a module, and load it with: modprobe pcspkr That should get you pc speaker beeps (hopefully) -Jing -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 00:53:00 2004 From: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:53:00 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> Message-ID: <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> G. Matthew Rice writes: > I'm not against TLUG incorporating, per se. I would just like to see it > followed up with something real. Look at what OCLUG [and www.osw.ca] and > PLUG [and www.plug.ca; note the computer stuff] are doing. It puts us to > shame. We should have the largest LUG in the country. Instead, we have > NewTLUG splitting off because of: > > - an unwillingness to hold TLUG meetings anywhere but the TO core > - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met > guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but > was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] So... the $1,000,000 question.... Why can't we fix this? I totally agree that we should have a HUGE user base. If these things are holding us back, and keeping people out of TLUG, can't we address them? pm -- Paul Mora email: paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:01:52 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040427163615.02e1a560-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040427163615.02e1a560@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <20040428010152.25518.qmail@web40713.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, Mel. > > For some reason, parts of the message got a bit garbled. > > At 03:44 PM 04/23/2004, Mel Seder wrote: > > > could have temporarily shutdown the network support (ieie/sbsbinervice > > > network stop). > > > >Right you are I take it the syntax would be #/sbsbinervice network stop. Is > >that correct? > > /sbin/service network stop > > > > indicated that you have open ports for LDLDAPsome unspecified service on > > > port 1002, and a SQSQLatabase on port 1720. Unless you need to make these > > > ports accessible to people outside your local network, you should do > > > something to limit access to these ports. > > > >Uh Oh! My router only has the ssh port forwarded. Come to think of it I > >don't > >know how ftp, hthttpnd possibly others are able to communicate as they have > >not been forwarded by my router. Is there a place to look to see if > LDLDAPnd > >SQSQLan be disabled? I assume that they are not needed unless I am running > >LDLDAPnd SQSQLhich I don't think I am running? > > If you don't need LDAP services or a SQL database on your machine, you > should modify your startup scripts so these services won't start > automatically when you boot the machine. If you have it on your machine, > chkconfig is one way to alter which startup scripts are run at boot time. I ran chkconfig and got the following [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list ldap ldap 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list mysqld mysqld 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ it looks like they are off so I don't know why they appeared on a port scan ?? ps didn't show very much. Do I need parameters? If so what are they? [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ ps PID TTY TIME CMD 10642 pts/2 00:00:00 bash 10780 pts/2 00:00:00 ps [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ > You should also use ps and lsof to see what programs are running after your > machine starts and to which ports your machine is listening. I ran lsof and got hundreds of lines of output. I don't know what to look for and how to filter the output. And don't > forget to review the configuration of inetd. Just a heads up in case you > haven't already done all of this. > > >However I'm scared to death of IPIPtablesnd fifilewalls If you > >know of a site about momonmothaor dummies/(network impaired) newbies let me > >know and alallthough can't prpromise'll try it I do prpromise will read it > or > >at least read it until I get too scared :-) > > The MonMotha script isn't that difficult to set up. You edit a few > variables near the top of the script and the rest of the script builds all > the rules you need. The script will typically deny any inbound connections > except for the ports you specify. > > The main site for MonMotha is: > http://monmotha.mplug.org/firewall/ > > Some useful documentation about the script can be found here: > http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php?MonMothaReferenceGuide > > > > Cheers! > > Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) > > Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |"What are we going to do today, Borg?" > E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: > Packet:ve3syb-XXPEJ3/fxIc at public.gmane.org#con.on.ca.na| Try to assimilate the world!" > #include | -Pinkutus & the Borg > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:08:12 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:08:12 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE Message-ID: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to order from the states, if it's available locally. tnx jk -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:24:04 2004 From: melseder-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mel Seder) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cable modem activity In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040427163615.02e1a560-Nf8GSVjHSL5zk1aGpazrEgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040427163615.02e1a560@mail.interlog.com> Message-ID: <20040428012404.70138.qmail@web40712.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Cozens wrote: > Greetings, Mel. > > For some reason, parts of the message got a bit garbled. > > At 03:44 PM 04/23/2004, Mel Seder wrote: > > > could have temporarily shutdown the network support (ieie/sbsbinervice > > > network stop). > > > >Right you are I take it the syntax would be #/sbsbinervice network stop. Is > >that correct? > > /sbin/service network stop > > > > indicated that you have open ports for LDLDAPsome unspecified service on > > > port 1002, and a SQSQLatabase on port 1720. Unless you need to make these > > > ports accessible to people outside your local network, you should do > > > something to limit access to these ports. > > > >Uh Oh! My router only has the ssh port forwarded. Come to think of it I > >don't > >know how ftp, hthttpnd possibly others are able to communicate as they have > >not been forwarded by my router. Is there a place to look to see if > LDLDAPnd > >SQSQLan be disabled? I assume that they are not needed unless I am running > >LDLDAPnd SQSQLhich I don't think I am running? > > If you don't need LDAP services or a SQL database on your machine, you > should modify your startup scripts so these services won't start > automatically when you boot the machine. If you have it on your machine, > chkconfig is one way to alter which startup scripts are run at boot time. Hi Kevin, thanks for your reply. chkconfig returned the following [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list ldap ldap 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ /sbin/chkconfig --list mysqld mysqld 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off it looks like they haven't been turned on. > You should also use ps and lsof to see what programs are running after your > machine starts and to which ports your machine is listening. And don't > forget to review the configuration of inetd. There seems to be many inetd files I'm not sure which ones do what. Just a heads up in case you > haven't already done all of this. > lsof produced hundreds of lines and I didn't know what to look for nor do I know to filter the output. ps didn't tell me very much [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ ps PID TTY TIME CMD 10642 pts/2 00:00:00 bash 10780 pts/2 00:00:00 ps [mel-lwfWIikfpTg at public.gmane.org mel]$ > >However I'm scared to death of IPIPtablesnd fifilewalls If you > >know of a site about momonmothaor dummies/(network impaired) newbies let me > >know and alallthough can't prpromise'll try it I do prpromise will read it > or > >at least read it until I get too scared :-) I read your links and I'm still scared :-) the word iptables makes me quiver and tremble. > > The MonMotha script isn't that difficult to set up. You edit a few > variables near the top of the script and the rest of the script builds all > the rules you need. The script will typically deny any inbound connections > except for the ports you specify. > > The main site for MonMotha is: > http://monmotha.mplug.org/firewall/ > > Some useful documentation about the script can be found here: > http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php?MonMothaReferenceGuide > > > Do you know how to do a port scan on remote box? ===== The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:26:37 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:26:37 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F03FC.9080208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <408F165D.1040607@sympatico.ca> James Knott wrote: > Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to > order from the states, if it's available locally. > > tnx jk > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > If you manage to push your way through the Microsoft displays the folks at Staples will order a not-so-recent version for you. It will take a few weeks. If you ask them why they no longer have any linux related products whatsoever, the staff will mumble, shuffle their feet and ask each other "linux ? did we carry linux ?" The suggestion that one of their software suppliers may have had some influence, will be met with incredulity. "I guess it's not selling" is the line. It doesn't stop me from asking "got any linux ?" every time I'm in there. "Where are your linux books? NONE ? hmmm " djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nick-fqEWfYtB8dhYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:28:46 2004 From: nick-fqEWfYtB8dhYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (Nick Ursa PC) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:28:46 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> U of T bookstore. I've got an 8.1 pro that i'd give away if you want it. never really installed it. n. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Knott" To: "tlug" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: [TLUG]: Stores that carry SuSE > Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to > order from the states, if it's available locally. > > tnx jk > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:35:09 2004 From: pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Phillip Mills) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:35:09 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F03FC.9080208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> Message-ID: <491AB0D3-98B4-11D8-A5E0-00039310151E@axxent.ca> On Tuesday, April 27, 2004, at 09:08 PM, James Knott wrote: > Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to > order from the states, if it's available locally. I haven't looked lately, but when I bought my 8.1 Pro release it came from the UofT bookstore. It was even available from Future Shop at that time, but they were a release (or so) out-of-date. ........................ Phillip Mills Multi-platform software development (416) 224-0714 -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:37:57 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:37:57 -0600 Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: References: <20040427184036.GA38343@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: <20040428013757.GA49754@idiom.novusordo.net> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 03:49:43PM -0400, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Taavi Burns wrote: > > It could...but then you'd either have to go through huge data > > transformations in memory and ensure that it syncs with disk all the > > time... > > Not really. With careful thought, upward-compatible upgrades are often > possible. (Not always, but often.) Data format often can stay exactly the > same during improvements. cf the ext3 journal being a hidden, but otherwise ordinary file on an ext2 partition. > For example, maintaining on-disk consistency in a traditional filesystem > design does *NOT*, repeat *NOT*, require that changes be written out > immediately -- it only requires that changes be written out in the right > order. More precisely, it requires that the order in which changes are > written out must observe certain constraints. Tracking the order constraints > is more complicated than writing things out immediately, but it's not > prohibitive, and performance is vastly better with no change in on-disk data > format whatsoever. "Work smarter, not harder." I totally agree. But I ask if it may not be more worthwhile to work smarter AND less at the same time, by not having to do monstrous data conversions. > Even when on-disk format changes are needed, cleverness often permits doing > them in an upward-compatible way. Clever can easily degenerate into stupid, if not kept under tight reins. > > Traditional UNIX filsystems just don't handle thousands of files very well, > > since they store directories as flat files. Really, that's silly... > > Rather, it's a tradeoff that doesn't scale up well. But fixing it can > usually be done without tearing everything up and starting over. Just takes > some effort and some intelligence. A tradeoff in what form? Why do we bother storing directories as unsorted lists of filenames an inode numbers? There's no excuse that it's as legible as something like XML. Granted, it's easier to parse than a B+ tree, but how often does someone need to extract such low-level information from a drive, that it's worth all the extra work in the common case? > Forcing people to abandon their old filesystems, tools, etc. and start over > just to get performance gains is stupid, inconsiderate, and usually > unnecessary. Reiser4 proposes far more than performance gains. Filesystem activites become atomic operations, somewhat like a row update in a database. Why is that something interesting for a filesystem to do? I'm not personally sure but, as the saying goes, "If you build it, they will come." I'm sure that those developing mailservers will like that property a lot. There's also no "force" for people to abandon their old filesystems. They can keep using them, just as people can quite easily (well, insofar as you can find an installer that doesn't run out of RAM) install Linux on a 486 and have a decent webbrowser or X console. Really, filesystems are utilities anyway; users should not be concerned with their operation or even existence: they should just work fast, and work well. -- taa We know today that the brain we are born with is not the finished product it was once thought to be. The structuring of the brain depends very much on experiences gone through in the first hours, days, and weeks of a person's life. --Alice Miller, Ph.D. /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 01:54:08 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:54:08 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F165D.1040607-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <408F165D.1040607@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <408F0EC0.1010504@rogers.com> David J Patrick wrote: > James Knott wrote: > >> Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to >> order from the states, if it's available locally. >> >> tnx jk >> -- >> The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >> TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml >> > If you manage to push your way through the Microsoft displays the folks > at Staples will order a not-so-recent version for you. It will take a > few weeks. > If you ask them why they no longer have any linux related products > whatsoever, the staff will mumble, shuffle their feet and ask each other > "linux ? did we carry linux ?" > The suggestion that one of their software suppliers may have had some > influence, will be met with incredulity. "I guess it's not selling" is > the line. > It doesn't stop me from asking "got any linux ?" every time I'm in > there. "Where are your linux books? NONE ? hmmm " I checked their web site, along with Future Shop and neither of them have any Linux distro. IBM Canada sells Red Hat, but not SuSE. I think I saw SuSE 7.1 in a bin at Computer Fest, last fall. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:11:39 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:11:39 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <491AB0D3-98B4-11D8-A5E0-00039310151E-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org> References: <491AB0D3-98B4-11D8-A5E0-00039310151E@axxent.ca> Message-ID: <408F12DB.6080009@rogers.com> Phillip Mills wrote: > On Tuesday, April 27, 2004, at 09:08 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Does anyone know of stores that carry SuSE Linux? I'd hate to have to >> order from the states, if it's available locally. > > > I haven't looked lately, but when I bought my 8.1 Pro release it came > from the UofT bookstore. It was even available from Future Shop at that > time, but they were a release (or so) out-of-date. Don't you have to be a student, faculty or staff to buy at the UoT book store? SuSE 9.0 is about the same price as at Ryerson, but according to both web sites, the stores are not open to others, not even alumni. It seems strange, I can use the Ryerson library and other facilities, but not the book store. :-( -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:13:41 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:13:41 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0-8XRHflAJFSQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> Message-ID: <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> Nick Ursa PC wrote: > U of T bookstore. > I've got an 8.1 pro that i'd give away if you want it. never really > installed it. Thanks, but I'm looking for 9.1. I'm already running 9.0. If alumni were allowed to use the bookstore, I'd buy it at Ryerson. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From nick-fqEWfYtB8dhYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:17:24 2004 From: nick-fqEWfYtB8dhYzD5mSbZInQ at public.gmane.org (Nicholas Ursa) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:17:24 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F12DB.6080009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <491AB0D3-98B4-11D8-A5E0-00039310151E@axxent.ca> <408F12DB.6080009@rogers.com> Message-ID: <303E584B-98BA-11D8-9B94-000A95E2B530@feedmyears.com> Anyone can buy at the U of T bookstore. You just don't get student discounts on software for which it applies, and you can't buy ed. versions. SUSE is not under that. n. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:22:39 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:22:39 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F1355.2080303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:41PM -0400 References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040427222239.E23274@ee.ryerson.ca> Anyone can buy anything at the Ryerson bookstore. It's open to the public. You may not be eligible for a student or faculty discount, however. Peter On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Nick Ursa PC wrote: > > U of T bookstore. > > I've got an 8.1 pro that i'd give away if you want it. never really > > installed it. > > Thanks, but I'm looking for 9.1. I'm already running 9.0. If alumni > were allowed to use the bookstore, I'd buy it at Ryerson. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:46:09 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F12DB.6080009-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F12DB.6080009@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, James Knott wrote: > Don't you have to be a student, faculty or staff to buy at the UoT book > store? No. It's a book store. You walk in, find what you want, take it to the cashier, and pay for it. Nobody asks you for student/faculty/staff ID. Certain discounts, and certain "student version" software packages, are available only with ID. The Linux distributions aren't among them. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:52:17 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040428005300.996FC3A48-wfih8Y4c6Gyu3hiLuVc1oPd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > - an unwillingness to hold TLUG meetings anywhere but the TO core There was a discussion on this a few meetings back. The concensus was that "On the subway" was preferrable. So it doesn't have to be TO core per se (from my interpretation of what was said). > > - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met > > guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but > > was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] > > So... the $1,000,000 question.... I was at the last talk and thought the room was much more subdued than usual. I think everyone was on their best behaviour :) Not sure if it will hold though. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 02:59:41 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 27 Apr 2004 22:59:41 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: Robert Brockway writes: > > > - an unwillingness to hold TLUG meetings anywhere but the TO core > > There was a discussion on this a few meetings back. The concensus was > that "On the subway" was preferrable. So it doesn't have to be TO core > per se (from my interpretation of what was said). This is the tail wagging the dog. Of course most people _AT_ the meeting would prefer the status quo. However, idirect in Etobicoke was 'on the subway' and not in the core. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 03:01:37 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 27 Apr 2004 23:01:37 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: "G. Matthew Rice" writes: > This is the tail wagging the dog. Of course most people _AT_ the meeting > would prefer the status quo. However, idirect in Etobicoke was 'on the > subway' and not in the core. Idirect being where early TLUG meetings were held, that is. Yorkdale area is also on the subway. Anyway, I don't think that meeting location is the big issue. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 03:24:34 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:24:34 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: <20040428032434.GD1111@smeagol> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:52:17PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > There was a discussion on this a few meetings back. The concensus was > that "On the subway" was preferrable. So it doesn't have to be TO core > per se (from my interpretation of what was said). If you want to get women out you, the meetings *definitely* need to be on the subway line. I don't mind if it's not in the core of Toronto (even though I live downtown-ish), but a bus stop isn't good enough. It needs to be the subway line. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 07:31:59 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:31:59 -0400 Subject: p100 - File Formats Versus Memory Formats Message-ID: <408F5DEF.2080200@sympatico.ca> I spy a potential bub in the ointment; it seems that the palm,pdb data format, as usualy documented is designed for data on the desktop, and /in the palm memory/ has a slightly different (undocumented) format. This difference is usually effected during sync, but are we not discussing a port that would dump the database directly to ram ? no sync ? from the palm docs; http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/fileformats/Intro.html#970013 This book describes the format of Palm databases that are stored in files on desktop computers. When one of these databases is loaded into a Palm Powered? handheld, the database is stored in memory in a format that is similar to, but different than the format described in this book. The in-memory format of Palm databases is subject to change and is not documented by PalmSource, Inc. problem ? djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 07:36:39 2004 From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:36:39 -0400 Subject: OT:p100 - IGNORE !! wrong list, sorry In-Reply-To: <408F5DEF.2080200-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <408F5DEF.2080200@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <408F5F07.2010705@sympatico.ca> oops, wrong list, please ignore, unless you are familiar with palm and trs80 model 100s, djp -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 10:48:24 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:48:24 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <303E584B-98BA-11D8-9B94-000A95E2B530-fqEWfYtB8dhYzD5mSbZInQ@public.gmane.org> References: <491AB0D3-98B4-11D8-A5E0-00039310151E@axxent.ca> <408F12DB.6080009@rogers.com> <303E584B-98BA-11D8-9B94-000A95E2B530@feedmyears.com> Message-ID: <408F8BF8.5000708@rogers.com> Nicholas Ursa wrote: > Anyone can buy at the U of T bookstore. You just don't get student > discounts on software for which it applies, and you can't buy ed. > versions. SUSE is not under that. > > n. > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml I'll have to look into that then. tnx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 10:49:51 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:49:51 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <20040427222239.E23274-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> <20040427222239.E23274@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <408F8C4F.9020302@rogers.com> I was just going by what I saw on the web site. It's been almost 20 years, since I last shopped at the Ryerson bookstore. Peter Hiscocks wrote: > Anyone can buy anything at the Ryerson bookstore. It's open to the public. > You may not be eligible for a student or faculty discount, however. > > Peter > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > >>Nick Ursa PC wrote: >> >>>U of T bookstore. >>>I've got an 8.1 pro that i'd give away if you want it. never really >>>installed it. >> >>Thanks, but I'm looking for 9.1. I'm already running 9.0. If alumni >>were allowed to use the bookstore, I'd buy it at Ryerson. >>-- >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 10:50:47 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:50:47 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408F8C87.3040803@rogers.com> Henry Spencer wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, James Knott wrote: > >>Don't you have to be a student, faculty or staff to buy at the UoT book >>store? > > > No. It's a book store. You walk in, find what you want, take it to the > cashier, and pay for it. Nobody asks you for student/faculty/staff ID. > > Certain discounts, and certain "student version" software packages, are > available only with ID. The Linux distributions aren't among them. It would be nice if they mentioned that on their web site. tnx -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 10:53:37 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:53:37 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: <408F8D31.3010605@rogers.com> Robert Brockway wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>> - an unwillingness to hold TLUG meetings anywhere but the TO core > > > There was a discussion on this a few meetings back. The concensus was > that "On the subway" was preferrable. So it doesn't have to be TO core > per se (from my interpretation of what was said). > > >>> - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met >>> guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but >>> was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] >> >>So... the $1,000,000 question.... > > > I was at the last talk and thought the room was much more subdued than > usual. I think everyone was on their best behaviour :) > > Not sure if it will hold though. Perhaps that was due to all the discussion here about it and the hecklers realized they're not appreciated, when they interfere with the presentation. Remember guys, we're there to hear the presenter, not you. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 10:54:48 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:54:48 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > "G. Matthew Rice" writes: > >>This is the tail wagging the dog. Of course most people _AT_ the meeting >>would prefer the status quo. However, idirect in Etobicoke was 'on the >>subway' and not in the core. > > > Idirect being where early TLUG meetings were held, that is. > > Yorkdale area is also on the subway. Anyway, I don't think that meeting > location is the big issue. Quite so. The downtown core is a problem for many, who don't live close to the subway. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:03:58 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:03:58 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> Message-ID: <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "James Knott" on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:54 AM wrote: > G. Matthew Rice wrote: > > "G. Matthew Rice" writes: > > > >>This is the tail wagging the dog. Of course most people _AT_ the meeting > >>would prefer the status quo. However, idirect in Etobicoke was 'on the > >>subway' and not in the core. > > > > > > Idirect being where early TLUG meetings were held, that is. > > > > Yorkdale area is also on the subway. Anyway, I don't think that meeting > > location is the big issue. > > Quite so. The downtown core is a problem for many, who don't live close > to the subway. On the other hand for those of us who do not have a car (or other motorised vehicle) if a location is not near a subway it is a PAIN to get to (and yes, both Seneca @ York and the IBM building are pains). Also, having a nice cheap eatery near the meeting location is VERY desirable in my point of view as I have found some of the most productive conversations I have had with TLUG have happened just before or just after a meeting over a plate of food and/or a beverage. So, lets review the "perfect" TLUG meeting location: 1. - Space for 50 plus people. 2. - Free 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) 4. - Very near a subway station 5. - Nearby cheap food 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near perfect. Seneca @ York along with IBM fail disastrously on items 4 and 5. So, toss the question out does anyone have any ideas as to a location that makes a perfect score on ALL the above. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:17:58 2004 From: srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (SRB) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:17:58 -0400 Subject: another distro Message-ID: <004701c42d23$3a8f6d80$9901800a@mastec.com> Yet another distro: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2004/04/linux_cheez-it.html Hopefully humour isn't OT. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:20:30 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:20:30 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Media player now runs on Linux In-Reply-To: <200404271029.56648.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404271029.56648.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040428132030.GA14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:29:56AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > Turbo Linux has created a media player for Linux that uses Microsoft media > player code. While it doesn't sound like a native port of media player > (misleading title) it is interesting that Microsoft would allow any of their > code to be used on Linux: > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15547 Is that any more impresive than just using mplayer which can run most win32 codecs already? I use it for avi's with divx, xvid, quicktimes, realmedia, etc. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:25:31 2004 From: dbmacg-j4iOX5ZKO4mumhQq9Hcxfg at public.gmane.org (Duncan MacGregor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:25:31 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404280925.31840.dbmacg@mail.rosecom.ca> I agree with the points made. U of T is fine for me. While the College Street Car is out of service (until November 2004), it is best to reach the campus from the Spadina car, or from Queen's Park Subway station. From there, a diagonal path leads northwest to King's College Circle, and our usual haunts. Metered parking is available all the way around King's College Circle, which is handy to the buildings we usually meet in. By car, it is best reached from Wellesley St., going due west from Bay and going under the bridge. So that leaves the AV problem. What is the problem about AV hook-up? > So, lets review the "perfect" TLUG meeting location: > > 1. - Space for 50 plus people. > 2. - Free > 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) > 4. - Very near a subway station > 5. - Nearby cheap food > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near > perfect. Seneca @ York along with IBM fail disastrously on items 4 and 5. > So, toss the question out does anyone have any ideas as to a location that > makes a perfect score on ALL the above. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:25:20 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:25:20 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040428132520.GK1111@smeagol> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:03:58AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > 1. - Space for 50 plus people. > 2. - Free > 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) > 4. - Very near a subway station > 5. - Nearby cheap food > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near > perfect. Seneca @ York along with IBM fail disastrously on items 4 and 5. > So, toss the question out does anyone have any ideas as to a location that > makes a perfect score on ALL the above. Seneca @ York doesn't have food but York University does. The bus lines are very acceptable but not at night for women. Seneca actually fails on #4 and #6, but not #5. -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:33:13 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:33:13 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040426234017.GA7169-sKwiGYaqY94@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> Message-ID: <20040428133313.GB14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > I'm thinking of getting an LCD monitor. But recently I've gotten burned > with computer hardware purchases, and thought I'd ask for advice first. > > Most of my work is with text, often in console but sometimes in xdvi or > xpdf; I don't need 3D acceleration or anything of the sort, but a sharp > display is a must. > > It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a video > card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results than analogue > connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) I would have thought so, but some people claim it doesn't make much difference. I suspect as resolutions go up, it will make a difference. > Many LCD monitors -- certainly those capable of 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 > resolution, which is good for my purposes -- have DVI inputs. > > --> Question [1]: Any recommendations for DVI-enabled LCD monitors > at higher resolutions? Good, bad, horror stories? Check out www.tomshardware.com they have had some LCD comparisons in the last little while, so you could get some idea there what to look for and what to not look for in an LCD, including for different purposes. If you ever want to do 3D gaming, the response speed is very important (and too slow on most LCDs). I suspect for video playback it wouldn't be a big issue, but it might be. Also remember that the native resolution of the screeen will be the resolution you work in 99% of the time on an LCD, since most look awful at any other resolution, while a few just look bad. At native resolution they look amazing (Assuming it is a good screen with good even colour, contrast and brightness of course). > I run Debian (testing), with XFree 4.3.0.1. In the past, people have > said good things about ATI support; there are a variety of Radeon cards > (all somewhat older it seems) covered by this release of X, and at least > some of them, such as the Radeon 7000 or 9500, have DVI output. > > --> Question [2]: Any recommendations among the various ATI cards? Or > should I be looking at some other manufacturer for > this? Again, the good/bad/horrific stories are all > useful. ATI is still off my buy list. Great hardware. Terrible software. That has been ATI for me for the last 12 years. I see little sign of that changing. I have been buying nVidia hardware for the last 4 years when I needed a video card, and I haven't regretted it yet. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:35:17 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:35:17 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040428005300.996FC3A48-wfih8Y4c6Gyu3hiLuVc1oPd9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> Message-ID: <20040428133517.GA4111@node1.opengeometry.net> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 08:53:00PM -0400, paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > So... the $1,000,000 question.... > > Why can't we fix this? I totally agree that we should have a HUGE > user base. If these things are holding us back, and keeping people > out of TLUG, can't we address them? 1. Stable location. 2. Stable location. 3. Stable location. 4. Free parking. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:38:32 2004 From: srb-s8PdfxpoPdHk1uMJSBkQmQ at public.gmane.org (SRB) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:38:32 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <005401c42d26$19f6fa40$9901800a@mastec.com> > So, lets review the "perfect" TLUG meeting location: > > 1. - Space for 50 plus people. > 2. - Free > 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) > 4. - Very near a subway station > 5. - Nearby cheap food > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > Colin McGregor I agree with these points completely, so it's a great template to use in my opinion! However, I have no suggestions... :-| -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:43:06 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <20040428132520.GK1111-Kz9ENIl45+A@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040428132520.GK1111@smeagol> Message-ID: <20040428134306.GA4546@node1.opengeometry.net> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:25:20AM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:03:58AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > 1. - Space for 50 plus people. > > 2. - Free > > 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) > > 4. - Very near a subway station > > 5. - Nearby cheap food > > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > > > U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near > > perfect. Seneca @ York along with IBM fail disastrously on items 4 and 5. > > So, toss the question out does anyone have any ideas as to a location that > > makes a perfect score on ALL the above. > > Seneca @ York doesn't have food but York University does. The bus lines > are very acceptable but not at night for women. Seneca actually fails on > #4 and #6, but not #5. Here's an idea. Find a place with free parking. Instead of paying for parking, start a collection (just as in church) for general TLUG fund. This would be useful for paying for expenses for distinquished presenters. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:47:08 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:47:08 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Media player now runs on Linux In-Reply-To: <20040428132030.GA14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <200404271029.56648.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040428132030.GA14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404280947.08347.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 April 2004 09:20, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:29:56AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > Turbo Linux has created a media player for Linux that uses Microsoft > > media player code. While it doesn't sound like a native port of media > > player (misleading title) it is interesting that Microsoft would allow > > any of their code to be used on Linux: > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15547 > > Is that any more impresive than just using mplayer which can run most > win32 codecs already? I use it for avi's with divx, xvid, quicktimes, > realmedia, etc. Not at all, what I find interesting is the use of officially licensed Microsoft code on the Linux platform with Microsoft's apparent blessing ... I can't think of other cases where that has been done. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:40:20 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:40:20 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <00cb01c42c70$e2b02350$6401a8c0-UxDKcUsq0RM@public.gmane.org> References: <00cb01c42c70$e2b02350$6401a8c0@main> Message-ID: <20040428134020.GC14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:01:05PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > I second that. I use a SyncMaster 750s and a SyncMaster 763MB for my > dual display work station, both are excellent monitors. I use the 21" > model at work, and it works great as well. I would certainly recommend > Samsung monitors. I don't know about the 750s, but the 753DF certainly has much too low refresh reate to be useful at anything about 1024x768 (which I consider pathetic on a 17"). Very happy with the ViewSonic P95F+ though. 1600x1200-BWKv3H+zit8 at public.gmane.org on a 19" is much more like it. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 13:56:11 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:56:11 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <200404270933.10749.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040428135611.GD14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:33:10AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website > forces me to pretend that I was using IE. This is really irritating. I haven't had any trouble with PC for a long time using mozilla or opera. I currently just use mozilla-firefox which works fine for everything I do there. I think konqueror might balk at the login for some reason, but then again what doesn't it mess up. > Rather than trying another email exchange with them I think it would be a good > idea to resurrect a list/site such as Evan put together. Perhaps expand it > to allow much more detail. > > I'm not sure that Evan has the time (Evan?) but I'd be willing to put some > time into it. banksthatsuck.ca is available :-) > > Have you found any reason for their browser check, use of activex would > eliminate Linux as a viable platformfor example. So does use of flash. > A belated happy earth day to you too, I look forward to the trees that I > planted being 30 metres tall. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:07:35 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:07:35 -0600 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <20040428135611.GD14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040428135611.GD14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040428140735.GA70717@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:56:11AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Have you found any reason for their browser check, use of activex > > would eliminate Linux as a viable platformfor example. > > So does use of flash. Flash works just fine in Firefox, thanks. Not that I wouldn't love to have support for it in Konq. :P Shockwave on the other hand... -- taa Frequently we believe we are acting in the interests of the children and fail to realize that we may be doing the very opposite, simply because we have learned to be unfeeling in this respect at such an early stage that the effects of this inculcation are stronger than all the things we learn later. --Alice Miller, Ph.D. /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:10:43 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:10:43 -0400 Subject: Perl, Web front end, access rights - Help a newbie? In-Reply-To: <408E665E.1070400-5ZoueyuiTZhBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> References: <408E665E.1070400@alteeve.com> Message-ID: <20040428141043.GE14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:55:42AM -0400, Madison Kelly wrote: > Hi all, > > First and foremost, I am a strict newbie when it comes to perl > programming so please be gentle ;). I am trying to write a somewhat > simple program that will let me use a webpage front end to generate a > list of files and folders to be copied from of partition onto another. > > My question is: How can I get 'root' access to the server via a CGI > script? I am pretty sure that it can be does because CUPS seems to do it > (I have to enter the 'root' username and password before I can manage > printers). > > I have already written the first part where I use two lists, one for > valid source partitions (which can only be read from) and one for valid > destination partitions (which can be accessed read/write) and any other > partition will be ignored. The script verifies that at least one valid > source and one valid destinatiton exists before continuing. Now I want > to start the webifying but I need your help (pretty please?)! > > I am trying to decifer the CUPS source but it is quite out of my > league so alas... :) Remember: Cups runs it's own webserver on port 631, it is not a cgi for another web server. Cups runs as root, so it can do whatever it has to for different users. It is no indication of what cgi under some other web server can or can't do. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:23:19 2004 From: taavi-LbuTpDkqzNzXI80/IeQp7B2eb7JE58TQ at public.gmane.org (Taavi Burns) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:23:19 -0600 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040428133313.GB14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040428133313.GB14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040428142319.GB70717@idiom.novusordo.net> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:33:13AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:40:17PM -0400, Peter King wrote: > > It seems as though an LCD monitor with a DVI input, paired with a > > video card having a DVI output, produces better-quality results > > than analogue connections. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) > > I would have thought so, but some people claim it doesn't make much > difference. I suspect as resolutions go up, it will make a > difference. DVI has certain maximum resolutions due to bandwidth limitations. Analog connections don't have "maximum resolution", apart from FCC regulations, and being analog are less likely to hit those limits compare to uncompressed (or at least not-very-compressed) digital signals. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1189976,00.asp Then again, if you want REAL signal quality, you might look into a monitor with 5BNC: http://www.a1parts.com/cables/video.html ;) (ooh, look, VGA<->13W3, AND they're in Toronto!) -- taa A society is best judged by how it treats its children. --Anonymous /*eof*/ -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:26:30 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:26:30 -0400 Subject: banks 'n' browser revisited: The sorry tale of HSBC Canada In-Reply-To: <20040428135611.GD14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <4087CED7.2080201@sympatico.ca> <200404270933.10749.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040428135611.GD14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404281026.30328.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 April 2004 09:56, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 09:33:10AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > I use President's Choice and (the last time that I checked) their website > > forces me to pretend that I was using IE. ?This is really irritating. > ? > I haven't had any trouble with PC for a long time using mozilla or > opera. ?I currently just use mozilla-firefox which works fine for > everything I do there. Just checked and you're right mozilla is fine. > ?I think konqueror might balk at the login for some reason, but then again > ?what doesn't it mess up. When logging in with Konqueror (3.2.1) I get this when trying to login: NO MESSAGE for NOT SET in ErrorTableEn.java When I change my user agent string to be mozilla 1.2.1 the login works fine. I'm slightly happier with this than with my previous solution (pretending that I was running IE). You are right regarding Konqueror 3.2.x it is buggy as hell. I've been doing web development for the last few weeks and I've given up on testing with Konqueror ... one minute a cookie is there, the next minute it isn't, while things work perfectly in every other browser I have tried. I've tried to find a simple test case that tickles the bug but haven't really narrowed it down yet (I believe it requires a mix of frames and cookies). However, I've used Konqueror for virtually all browsing in the last few years and I've found very little that it could not handle. Even now (version 3.2.1), Konqueror is still my default browser. Perhaps I am just a sucker for punishment ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:34:15 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Web front end to cups and samba .. an inspiration In-Reply-To: <20040428141043.GE14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <408E665E.1070400@alteeve.com> <20040428141043.GE14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi TLUGgers, Just wanted to think the group for the ongoing technical discussion about this and that. After quite some time running a Linux workstation on an otherwise pure Windows network, this weekend I set up my stepson's system to dual boot between Windows 98 and Mandrake 10. Last night I took the plunge and moved my last printer from my Windows 98 workstation to my Linux (Mandrake 10 Community) workstation, installed cups on my workstation and on my stepson's workstation, then got both of them to print, using the oh-so-convenient web front end (port 631?). While I was on my step-son's system, I installed the Flash plug-in for Mozilla. He was impressed (and if you have a 16 year-old, you'll appreciate that's a rare occurrence). Finally, I installed and set up samba on my machine so that the now orphaned Windows workstations could print again, and once more, it was the web front end to the rescue (port 901?). The only complication was that I also had to start nmbd so that the Windows machines could find the new print server. Apart from that everything just worked. I also find it very neat that these web front ends don't work through an Apache web server but rather use xinetd .. that's a cool, lightweight solution. Less muss, less fuss. So now I have a Linux print server accesible by both Linux and Windows workstations, inspired by some discussion on TLUG about the web front end for cups. Thanks again! Alex -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 14:54:36 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 28 Apr 2004 10:54:36 -0400 Subject: UofT HAS free parking [was Re:Re:TLUG Coup D'etat] In-Reply-To: <20040428134306.GA4546-qFXCSEZiv8lIJHMOrJ9DSGq87BGP6SvQ@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040428132520.GK1111@smeagol> <20040428134306.GA4546@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: William Park writes: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:25:20AM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:03:58AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: > > > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > > > > > U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near > > Here's an idea. Find a place with free parking. Instead of paying for > parking, start a collection (just as in church) for general TLUG fund. I never pay for parking when I come to TLUG meetings. There's room for about 8-10 cars on Spadina Circle on the southwest corner [yeah, yeah, a corner on a circle]. You can't park there free until 6:30 or 7pm or something but there's still time to get to the meeting. I usually park there 10-15 minutes before the 'allowed' time and go. No tickets yet. Let's keep it our little secret, though ;) > This would be useful for paying for expenses for distinquished > presenters. Now that sounds like a good idea. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 16:51:01 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 28 Apr 2004 12:51:01 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: "Colin McGregor" writes: > On the other hand for those of us who do not have a car (or other motorised > vehicle) if a location is not near a subway it is a PAIN to get to (and yes, > both Seneca @ York and the IBM building are pains). Also, having a nice > cheap eatery near the meeting location is VERY desirable in my point of view > as I have found some of the most productive conversations I have had with > TLUG have happened just before or just after a meeting over a plate of food > and/or a beverage. > > So, lets review the "perfect" TLUG meeting location: > > 1. - Space for 50 plus people. > 2. - Free > 3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) > 4. - Very near a subway station > 5. - Nearby cheap food > 6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers As I live within walking distance to U. of T. and have my office in Thornhill, perhaps I can bring a little balance to the subway thing. IMO, the question we need to answer is what does the "T" in "TLUG" stand for? Is it for Toronto as in the old City of Toronto or is it for the "T" in GTA? If TLUG wants to be inclusive, its members have to recognize that the GTA is a very big place and subway coverage is a joke. Thus, limiting meeting locations to being near the subway, discourages attendance by a large portion of the GTA. On the other hand, having used public transit exclusively for many years, I realize there's a huge difference between a subway ride and a subway ride plus "short" bus ride. In reality, there are very few short bus rides and changing from subway to bus/streetcar is often time consuming. The wider Linux community has a long history of cooperation and creativity. As members of that community, I think we should be able to solve this problem. I suggest we do three things. First, rotate locations as NewTLUG does. We have two locations in the Northeast, one in the North and one downtown. If we can find something in the West, there's something for everyone. Second, we can organize a car pool to and from the nearest subway. Third, begin the meetings with 30 minutes of informal discussion, pizza, etc. to give everyone a little more time to get there. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 16:56:37 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 28 Apr 2004 12:56:37 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: <408F8D31.3010605-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D31.3010605@rogers.com> Message-ID: James Knott writes: > Robert Brockway wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > >>> - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met > >>> guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but > >>> was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] > >> > >>So... the $1,000,000 question.... > > I was at the last talk and thought the room was much more subdued than > > > usual. I think everyone was on their best behaviour :) > > Not sure if it will hold though. > > Perhaps that was due to all the discussion here about it and the hecklers > realized they're not appreciated, when they interfere with the presentation. > Remember guys, we're there to hear the presenter, not you. I think this can be dealt with by a) having a 30 minute warm up and b) having the introducer remind everyone that the speaker has given generously of his/her time and the least they can do is be polite. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 16:59:45 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 28 Apr 2004 12:59:45 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Media player now runs on Linux In-Reply-To: <200404280947.08347.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404271029.56648.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> <20040428132030.GA14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200404280947.08347.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: Fraser Campbell writes: > On Wednesday 28 April 2004 09:20, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:29:56AM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > > > Turbo Linux has created a media player for Linux that uses Microsoft > > > media player code. While it doesn't sound like a native port of media > > > player (misleading title) it is interesting that Microsoft would allow > > > any of their code to be used on Linux: > > > > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15547 > > > > Is that any more impresive than just using mplayer which can run most > > win32 codecs already? I use it for avi's with divx, xvid, quicktimes, > > realmedia, etc. > > Not at all, what I find interesting is the use of officially licensed > Microsoft code on the Linux platform with Microsoft's apparent blessing ... I > can't think of other cases where that has been done. Perhaps they're sick of the "M$ has a virus problem and Linux doesn't" press and this is their solution. :-) -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 17:11:45 2004 From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer) Date: 28 Apr 2004 13:11:45 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040428133313.GB14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040426234017.GA7169@socrates> <20040428133313.GB14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: "Lennart Sorensen" writes: > ATI is still off my buy list. Great hardware. Terrible software. That > has been ATI for me for the last 12 years. I see little sign of that > changing. I have been buying nVidia hardware for the last 4 years when > I needed a video card, and I haven't regretted it yet. > > Lennart Sorensen Don't know if it's the hardware of software but they're off my list too. I recently got my hands on a new Radeon VE w/ 64MB (?). Now I know VE is for "value edtion" so I shouldn't expect much but I was running an 8 year old PCI Matrox MGA Millenium w/ 4MB. To cut a long story short, running glxgears with the ATI gave me a wopping 200+ frames per second, up from 160+ w/ the Matrox. In contrast, my bottom of the line, 1 year old Dell Notebook with Intel i830 graphics chipset, gets 350+ frames per second. Approximately, one month after installation, the Radeon VE failed. Needless to say, I'm back to my trusty Matrox. -- tim writer starnix inc. 905.771.0017 ext. 225 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 18:20:33 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 28 Apr 2004 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: Tim Writer writes: > Second, we can organize a car pool to and from the nearest subway. I'm happy to help there. Even though Emma hates me, I still drove her to the subway after them meeting. I think that it would be appropriate for people to broadcast to the list that they are willing to drive and/or need a lift. > Third, begin the meetings with 30 minutes of informal discussion, pizza, > etc. to give everyone a little more time to get there. I think that the general structure of the meeting should be looked at. Having talks that last the entire meeting leaves no room for anything else. It makes it kind of dull for people that would like to talk about other things but still come out. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 18:26:21 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Q: Mailbox format In-Reply-To: <20040428013757.GA49754-7r3UYZMxfuqyvPIx3LBjwNHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org> References: <20040428013757.GA49754@idiom.novusordo.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Taavi Burns wrote: > > ...Tracking the order constraints > > is more complicated than writing things out immediately, but it's not > > prohibitive, and performance is vastly better with no change in on-disk > > data format whatsoever. "Work smarter, not harder." > > I totally agree. But I ask if it may not be more worthwhile to work > smarter AND less at the same time, by not having to do monstrous data > conversions. If monstrous data conversions are required, then it may be worth doing some rethinking. However, simply being a little more intelligent seldom requires monstrous data conversions. People tend to grossly overestimate the difficulty of remaining compatible -- to assume that major improvements *must* involve starting over. > > > ...they store directories as flat files. Really, that's silly... > > Rather, it's a tradeoff that doesn't scale up well... > > A tradeoff in what form? Between large-directory performance and the combination of implementation simplicity, small-directory performance, and space consumption. (Fancy data structures optimized for large directories can easily increase the space and time overhead for small ones... and most directories are small, and most directory accesses are to small ones.) Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From a67582000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 18:36:32 2004 From: a67582000-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Edward Hamilton) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop Rentals in Toronto? Message-ID: <20040428183632.64808.qmail@web10310.mail.yahoo.com> Anyone have suggestions on a place they've had success with? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 21:48:40 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:48:40 -0400 Subject: UofT HAS free parking [was Re:Re:TLUG Coup D'etat] In-Reply-To: References: <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040428132520.GK1111@smeagol> <20040428134306.GA4546@node1.opengeometry.net> Message-ID: <409026B8.80807@rogers.com> G. Matthew Rice wrote: > William Park writes: > >>On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:25:20AM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:03:58AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote: >>> >>>>6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers >>>> >>>>U or T has trouble with 3 and fails on 6 but on all other counts is near >> >>Here's an idea. Find a place with free parking. Instead of paying for >>parking, start a collection (just as in church) for general TLUG fund. > > > I never pay for parking when I come to TLUG meetings. There's room for about > 8-10 cars on Spadina Circle on the southwest corner [yeah, yeah, a corner on > a circle]. You can't park there free until 6:30 or 7pm or something but > there's still time to get to the meeting. > > I usually park there 10-15 minutes before the 'allowed' time and go. No > tickets yet. Let's keep it our little secret, though ;) What I do, is drive to Yorkdale and take the subway down. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 22:01:58 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:01:58 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net> <408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca> <20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net> <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <409029D6.4060502@rogers.com> Tim Writer wrote: > "Colin McGregor" writes: > > >>On the other hand for those of us who do not have a car (or other motorised >>vehicle) if a location is not near a subway it is a PAIN to get to (and yes, >>both Seneca @ York and the IBM building are pains). Also, having a nice >>cheap eatery near the meeting location is VERY desirable in my point of view >>as I have found some of the most productive conversations I have had with >>TLUG have happened just before or just after a meeting over a plate of food >>and/or a beverage. >> >>So, lets review the "perfect" TLUG meeting location: >> >>1. - Space for 50 plus people. >>2. - Free >>3. - AV hook-up (i.e. projection monitor) >>4. - Very near a subway station >>5. - Nearby cheap food >>6. - Good cheap/free nearby parking for car drivers > > > As I live within walking distance to U. of T. and have my office in > Thornhill, perhaps I can bring a little balance to the subway thing. IMO, > the question we need to answer is what does the "T" in "TLUG" stand for? Is > it for Toronto as in the old City of Toronto or is it for the "T" in GTA? Or perhaps "Thornhill"? ;-) -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 22:17:18 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:17:18 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F1355.2080303-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> Message-ID: <40902D6E.60602@rogers.com> > Thanks, but I'm looking for 9.1. Umm, 9.1 is not out yet... it's shipping 8-May. Try this link: http://www.suse.com/us/company/suse/retailers/index.html I pre-ordered my copy from the SuSE online store. UofT Computer/Book Store often times takes way too long to get things in, Camelot.ca has a history of screwing up my orders, and Indigo/Chapters/World's Biggest are fucktards when it comes to software. Don't know about Amazon, but everything else I've ordered from them has been a pretty positive experience. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 22:19:26 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:19:26 -0400 Subject: Laptop Rentals in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040428183632.64808.qmail-07caxM+fl5+A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040428183632.64808.qmail@web10310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40902DEE.5020301@rogers.com> > Anyone have suggestions on a place they've had success > with? Nope... I can't imagine any place that would actually do this; it sounds like it would be too much of a hassle. It is, however, something I've wondered about in the past. If you do have any success, could you please post your results back to the list? I'd really like to know. -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 22:33:11 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 28 Apr 2004 18:33:11 -0400 Subject: Laptop Rentals in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <40902DEE.5020301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040428183632.64808.qmail@web10310.mail.yahoo.com> <40902DEE.5020301@rogers.com> Message-ID: Byron Sonne writes: > Nope... I can't imagine any place that would actually do this; it sounds like > it would be too much of a hassle. It is, however, something I've wondered > about in the past. I rented one once from a store across the street from OTA on College. It was a 3 [or 5; can't remember] day rental and cost about $400. I was the biggest piece of crap that they had in the store, too. I probably could have bought it for $600. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 22:37:04 2004 From: blsonne-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Byron Sonne) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:37:04 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <4090309D.3000103-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> <40902D6E.60602@rogers.com> <4090309D.3000103@rogers.com> Message-ID: <40903210.5010001@rogers.com> > On one package I bought a while ago, the customs > clearance charges (brokerage charges, > not Revenue Canada) exceeded the cost of the item. I hear ya... Free fuckin' Trade my ass... -- For Good, return Good. For Evil, return Justice. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 23:07:40 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:07:40 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <40903210.5010001-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> <40902D6E.60602@rogers.com> <4090309D.3000103@rogers.com> <40903210.5010001@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4090393C.1070003@rogers.com> Byron Sonne wrote: >> On one package I bought a while ago, the customs >> clearance charges (brokerage charges, not Revenue Canada) exceeded the >> cost of the item. > > > I hear ya... Free fuckin' Trade my ass... > This has nothing to do with Revenue Canada or the U.S. side of things or free trade. It has to do with companies bringing an item through customs and charging a lot for their effort. If it comes via Canada Post, you don't get anywhere near that charge. For that matter, there's no duty IIRC on software and wasn't before free trade either. GST is due though. I just have a problem understanding how it costs a company $35 to bring a box across the border on a truck, with very little effort on their part. Also the charge varies considerably with the express company. UPS has got to be about the worst. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Apr 28 23:57:04 2004 From: emmajane-MHIYrZpDPrNWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:57:04 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat In-Reply-To: References: <20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost> <20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca> <408F8D78.3040909@rogers.com> <004d01c42d21$455cd920$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040428235704.GE24998@xtrinsic.net> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 02:20:33PM -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > I'm happy to help there. Even though Emma hates me, I still drove her to the > subway after them meeting. I think that it would be appropriate for people > to broadcast to the list that they are willing to drive and/or need a lift. Matt's car is so cute! I swear I could fold it up and put it in my pocket. Be warned: you will need bungie cords to strap yourself to the roof. I call shotgun and the back's full of tupperware! ;) emma :) PS For anyone who's interested in knowing what they missed last night, the slides are at: http://www.xtrinsic.com/newtlug/040427/ or www.xtrinsic.com/newtlug/040427/frames.html if you'd rather have a table of contents down the side. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 01:34:46 2004 From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (Peter Hiscocks) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:34:46 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <4090393C.1070003-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>; from james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 07:07:40PM -0400 References: <408F03FC.9080208@rogers.com> <012001c42cc0$26f0ba30$3f00a8c0@feedpc> <408F1355.2080303@rogers.com> <40902D6E.60602@rogers.com> <4090309D.3000103@rogers.com> <40903210.5010001@rogers.com> <4090393C.1070003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040428213446.A1578@ee.ryerson.ca> I can confirm this. Avoid UPS like the plague, if you don't want to pay their usurious brokerage charges. Check with the originating company and make sure that they are not using these thieves. I find that stuff comes almost as fast by surface mail delivery as it does by some courier companies, and the border charges are reasonable. Peter On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 07:07:40PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > Byron Sonne wrote: > >> On one package I bought a while ago, the customs > >> clearance charges (brokerage charges, not Revenue Canada) exceeded the > >> cost of the item. > > > > > > I hear ya... Free fuckin' Trade my ass... > > > > This has nothing to do with Revenue Canada or the U.S. side of things or > free trade. It has to do with companies bringing an item through > customs and charging a lot for their effort. If it comes via Canada > Post, you don't get anywhere near that charge. For that matter, there's > no duty IIRC on software and wasn't before free trade either. GST is > due though. I just have a problem understanding how it costs a company > $35 to bring a box across the border on a truck, with very little effort > on their part. Also the charge varies considerably with the express > company. UPS has got to be about the worst. > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- Peter D. Hiscocks Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Ryerson University, 350 Victoria Street, Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3, Canada Phone: (416) 979-5000 Ext 6109 Fax: (416) 979-5280 Email: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org URL: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~phiscock -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 02:16:57 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:16:57 -0400 Subject: TLUG Coup D'etat References: <011601c42b2e$bf330b60$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com><20040426015323.GA4021@node1.opengeometry.net><408C7035.6080706@sympatico.ca><20040426024351.GA4161@node1.opengeometry.net><20040426110302.5cd8d487@localhost><20040428005300.996FC3A48@tollbooth.mora.ca><408F8D31.3010605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c42d90$0c743760$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "Tim Writer" on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:56 PM wrote: > James Knott writes: > > > Robert Brockway wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 paulmora-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org wrote: > > > > >>> - an unwillingness to clamp down on abuse of speakers [if fact, I met > > >>> guy at RWL that is going to give a talk at HLUG and NewTLUG but > > >>> was adamant that he won't speak at TLUG] > > >> > > >>So... the $1,000,000 question.... > > > I was at the last talk and thought the room was much more subdued than > > > > > usual. I think everyone was on their best behaviour :) > > > Not sure if it will hold though. > > > > Perhaps that was due to all the discussion here about it and the hecklers > > realized they're not appreciated, when they interfere with the presentation. > > Remember guys, we're there to hear the presenter, not you. > > I think this can be dealt with by a) having a 30 minute warm up and b) having > the introducer remind everyone that the speaker has given generously of > his/her time and the least they can do is be polite. Something that may help with the warm up is one of TLUG's worst kept secrets, Pho Hung. There is a group of 8-10 people who will normally on the night of a TLUG meeting meet-up about 6:00 PM at Pho Hung a Vietnamese style restaurant at 350 Spadina Avenue (a short walk from U of T). This way folks can do a lot of socialising /networking / etc. before the meeting. It also means that at the meeting stomachs are not complaining (mind you if you down 1 or 2 of the little peppers that are left on each table, other parts of your anatomy will be complaining, LOUDLY about being way too warm :-) ). Price wise you can do ok for $10 at Pho Hung or for $15 you can eat very well, so a very moderately priced place. Then after the TLUG meetings there is a group the heads over to one of the U of T student pubs (there is a large but not total overlap between the Pho Hung and the pub group). Again discussions but this time over a cold beverage (and yes in my case the beverage is much more likely to be a can of Sprite than a beer but to each their own). Besides the @#$% transit situation to the NewTLUG meetings this lack of a chance to chew the fat over a plate of food and/or a beverage is the second most annoying thing about NewTLUG. Colin McGregor -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 03:19:06 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:19:06 -0400 Subject: Laptop Rentals in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <20040428183632.64808.qmail-07caxM+fl5+A/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040428183632.64808.qmail@web10310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404282319.06727.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:36, Edward Hamilton wrote: > Anyone have suggestions on a place they've had success > with? Costco has a 6 month return policy. Buy for 5.5 months, return for all your money back. It's kind of like renting ;-) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 03:53:02 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Laptop Rentals in Toronto? In-Reply-To: <40902DEE.5020301-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <40902DEE.5020301@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004, Byron Sonne wrote: > Nope... I can't imagine any place that would actually do this; it sounds > like it would be too much of a hassle... There are always people willing to take on hassles for money. I've never dealt with laptop rental, here or elsewhere, but I'm sure it can be had... for a price. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 15:15:05 2004 From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew Gamble) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:15:05 -0400 Subject: OT: Source for RAM Message-ID: <40911BF9.1060501@mgamble.ca> Does anyone know of a computer store in the GTA that actually stocks DDR ECC Registered ram? I'm in a bit of a pinch to pick this ram up today, and every store seems to be special order. Thanks in advance, M. Gamble -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 15:30:13 2004 From: talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (talexb-SBdzbUvMQDunS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT: Source for RAM In-Reply-To: <40911BF9.1060501-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40911BF9.1060501@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: Hi, I'm a fan of the Spadina/College area computer stores (Sonnam, Hardware Direct), but can't recommend them unless I know which ones didn't have what you wanted. Let us know what places you've tried, and we'll try to suggest alternatives. Alex On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Matthew Gamble wrote: > Does anyone know of a computer store in the GTA that actually stocks DDR > ECC Registered ram? I'm in a bit of a pinch to pick this ram up today, > and every store seems to be special order. > > Thanks in advance, > > M. Gamble > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 15:50:06 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:50:06 -0400 Subject: OT: Source for RAM In-Reply-To: <40911BF9.1060501-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40911BF9.1060501@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: <200404291150.06972.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 29 April 2004 11:15, Matthew Gamble wrote: > Does anyone know of a computer store in the GTA that actually stocks DDR > ECC Registered ram? I'm in a bit of a pinch to pick this ram up today, > and every store seems to be special order. No guarantees but Greytech (Markham) might have it. You'll find them at http://www.greytech.com/ -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 16:51:04 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:51:04 -0400 Subject: OT: Source for RAM In-Reply-To: <40911BF9.1060501-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <40911BF9.1060501@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: <20040429165104.GF14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 11:15:05AM -0400, Matthew Gamble wrote: > Does anyone know of a computer store in the GTA that actually stocks DDR > ECC Registered ram? I'm in a bit of a pinch to pick this ram up today, > and every store seems to be special order. > > Thanks in advance, > > M. Gamble > > I have managed to order stuff from crucial and have it arrive by fedex the next morning at 10am. That's almost as good as having it today. Costs slightly more I guess. Maybe the IBM warehouse would carry such server ram stuff. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 21:21:34 2004 From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew Gamble) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:21:34 -0400 Subject: OT: Source for RAM In-Reply-To: <20040429165104.GF14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <40911BF9.1060501@mgamble.ca> <20040429165104.GF14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <409171DE.60305@mgamble.ca> Thanks to everyone for the quick replies. I had forgotten about Sonnam (being from the west end), and as luck would have it, they had the exact ram I needed in stock. After a quick trip downtown, I got exactly what I needed. Again, thanks to everyone on the list, M. Gamble -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 21:33:32 2004 From: danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (daniel) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:33:32 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names Message-ID: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: fightclub (router) moulinrouge (desktop) empirerecords (file/webserver) pirates (windows) -- you cannot write history you can only live through it - g'kar, babylon 5 "a view from the gallery" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 21:58:49 2004 From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice) Date: 29 Apr 2004 17:58:49 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: daniel writes: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) Mine is close. At home, I name it after famous actor last names; price, lawless [blame my wife for that one], chaplin, ... Those will never run out. At work we chose 'celestial body' names. Boy, was that mistake. We're running out of names. We're now fighting over 'Asteroid S/1998(45)1' vs. 'S/1993(243)1' for the next machine ;) > you cannot write history > you can only live through it > - g'kar, babylon 5 "a view from the gallery" sci-fi character names were reserved for the children [yes, I have a daughter with the name Delenn]. -- g. matthew rice starnix inc. phone: 905-771-0017 x242 thornhill, ontario, canada http://www.starnix.com professional linux services & products -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 22:15:18 2004 From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew Gamble) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:15:18 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <40917E76.1000301@mgamble.ca> daniel wrote: >i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. >what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a >survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) > > > We used to use characters from William Gibson novels at work (jones, chevette, wintermute, etc) but once the network got past 10 or so servers, that just became too hard to grow with. I've found that while a 'theme' for servers is nice, it's a real pain once you pass a certain point. Now we just name everything with what it does (spamfilter, perdition, mailstore, rhbuild, etc) and I find it makes network management 100% easier. Trust me - at 3AM when you get a page saying "mycatchyname" is down, you will be stuck scratching your head trying to remember what it does. A page from "radiussrv1" it a lot more informative. Personally, I use "fire names" for my own machines that don't have any specific purpose (like a desktop). For example, firebird, pyro, phoenix, etc. Just my 0.02 M. Gamble -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From mark-/2gyfjYZF1k at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 22:31:52 2004 From: mark-/2gyfjYZF1k at public.gmane.org (Mark Wadden) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:31:52 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <40918258.7010501@gmi2.com> Sometimes I wonder if some of my chosen names have an adverse effect on performance... ;) peril grim chaos nightmare havoc rage malice wrath panic vertigo siege archon paradigm xamot tomax daniel wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 22:34:42 2004 From: noah.gellner-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Noah John Gellner) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:34:42 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040429223442.GA13932@butters.southtrak> On 17:58 Thu 29 Apr , G. Matthew Rice wrote: > daniel writes: > > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: Not too many machines at my place: chef cartman kyle butters -- Even Buddha punished evil - "Master Killer" -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 22:39:57 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:39:57 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <1083278397.26664.26.camel@rincewind.discworld> Personally, I use names from Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels. For instance my firewall and dns/mail/etc server is Luggage. My own box is called Rincewind and my gf's Windows box is Mort (her choice). In another environment we're using wine names, e.g. Mondavi, Masi, etc. The CS department at U of T uses T.O. road names, e.g. QEW, DVP, etc, for their servers. On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 17:33, daniel wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 23:13:56 2004 From: gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Glen Strom) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:13:56 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <1083280436.40918c34ddbb1@webmail.eol.ca> Quoting daniel : > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and > @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? > just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > My current machine is called "herring_sucker." That's in part because I'm convinced there were times, especially when I started with Linux, that nasty little penguin was trying to suck the very sanity out of me. My ancient 486 machine, an IBM PC 350, was called "old_betsy." It wasn't the fastest machine, but it kept right on running no matter what dumb things I did to it. -- Glen Strom gstrom-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 23:18:19 2004 From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkNbK0NzMECUg at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:18:19 -0400 Subject: Stores that carry SuSE In-Reply-To: <408F8C4F.9020302-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040427222239.E23274@ee.ryerson.ca> Message-ID: <409154FB.15291.13C217@localhost> You can download the entire distribution for 9.0 at: http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ or at a mirror. Its about 7GB or less without source code. You then need to create a bootable cd (in the boot directory) and will need to have the directory you are installing from mountable via NFS so once you start the boot CD you can mount the directory to access the remaining install files. Its is actually very easy if you have a high speed connection. Net cost = FREE!! RickT http://www.TorontoNUI.ca On 28 Apr 2004 at 6:49, James Knott wrote: > I was just going by what I saw on the web site. It's been almost 20 > years, since I last shopped at the Ryerson bookstore. > > Peter Hiscocks wrote: > > Anyone can buy anything at the Ryerson bookstore. It's open to the public. > > You may not be eligible for a student or faculty discount, however. > > > > Peter > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 10:13:41PM -0400, James Knott wrote: > > > >>Nick Ursa PC wrote: > >> > >>>U of T bookstore. > >>>I've got an 8.1 pro that i'd give away if you want it. never really > >>>installed it. > >> > >>Thanks, but I'm looking for 9.1. I'm already running 9.0. If alumni > >>were allowed to use the bookstore, I'd buy it at Ryerson. > >>-- > >>The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > >>TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > >>How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > > > > > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 23:37:35 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, G. Matthew Rice wrote: > Mine is close. At home, I name it after famous actor last names; price, > lawless [blame my wife for that one], chaplin, ... Those will never run out. At home I've always used characters from the SciFi series "Blake's 7". Not as popular here in North America as where I'm from so the names are often lost on people :) Names used include zen, blake, orac, cally, avon, dayna, and vila. My wife's last PC was iggy. Don't ask me why :) Her new laptop quickly got the nickname junior. It stuck and is now the hostname. > At work we chose 'celestial body' names. Boy, was that mistake. We're > running out of names. We're now fighting over 'Asteroid S/1998(45)1' vs. Running out of names? Open a celestial catalogue :). > 'S/1993(243)1' for the next machine ;) Varuna is cool name. It is a Kuiper Belt Object iirc. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Thu Apr 29 23:49:28 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <40917E76.1000301-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <40917E76.1000301@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Matthew Gamble wrote: > We used to use characters from William Gibson novels at work (jones, > chevette, wintermute, etc) but once the network got past 10 or so > servers, that just became too hard to grow with. I've found that while > a 'theme' for servers is nice, it's a real pain once you pass a certain > point. Now we just name everything with what it does (spamfilter, > perdition, mailstore, rhbuild, etc) and I find it makes network > management 100% easier. Altough I agree that server naming becomes annoying past a certain point I (and a certain RFC) recommend against naming boxes after functions. Functions tend to change faster than hostnames do and it is not unknown for the two get out of sync. I was once confused when looking at a Linux box as a consultant one day. A box called faxserver which no longer served faxes. Now that's useful. Also, if the hostname is used for item tracking or for service agreements and support contracts (common in traditional Unix land) it can be problematic to change the hostname and associated paperwork whenever a box changes function (and therefore name). This approach is also problematic when it comes to boxes hosting multiple functions. I highly recommend having all service names as aliases. I learnt this lesson the hard way. If the number of boxes is really big then numeric hostnames aren't too bad, eg, acme1, acme2. I don't like naming workstations unless they are very few in number. Numeric names work there too IMHO - ws1, ws2, etc. > Trust me - at 3AM when you get a page saying "mycatchyname" is down, you > will be stuck scratching your head trying to remember what it does. A > page from "radiussrv1" it a lot more informative. I find admins who work with the boxes day in and day out tend to remember the particular services they offer all too well :) An old employer had all hostnames starting with a Z. I thought that was cute: zinger, zippo, zulu, zenith, zero, ... Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 00:56:23 2004 From: ppieczora-Z6LL8UJvm6I at public.gmane.org (Peter Pieczora) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:56:23 -0500 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404291956.23730.ppieczora@dsl.ca> I'm an aquarius so I named my workstation waterman, LOL For other names I probably could be sued by the owners of Asterix/Obelix comic books for serious, copyright infringement on the suffix 'x'. The names are: hylix, pylix, mylix, etc.. Boxes on dmz: boxx1, boxx2, etc.. Cheers, Peter -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 00:00:50 2004 From: tlug-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q at public.gmane.org (Matthew Gamble) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:00:50 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <40917E76.1000301@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: <40919732.3010609@mgamble.ca> > >Altough I agree that server naming becomes annoying past a certain point I >(and a certain RFC) recommend against naming boxes after functions. >Functions tend to change faster than hostnames do and it is not unknown >for the two get out of sync. > >I find admins who work with the boxes day in and day out tend to remember >the particular services they offer all too well :) > > > > I agree with you about the issues that arise when a machine changes function, however, I find that if I am changing the function of a machine, odds are I am re-installing the OS anyways, so a name change isn't really an issue. I'm not going to install the same software and services on a mail server that I would on a radius server. I'd love to have 'fun' names for my servers, however, in an ISP environment where there are 30+ machines, each serving a different function, with a team of people building them and maintaining them, I'll take my functional hostname over a fictional one any day of the week. And for everyones reference, the RFC for the naming of hosts is http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2100.html M. Gamble -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 00:11:45 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > Also, if the hostname is used for item tracking or for service agreements > and support contracts (common in traditional Unix land) it can be > problematic to change the hostname and associated paperwork whenever a box > changes function (and therefore name). I find it useful to separate hardware names from DNS names. When the box comes in the door, it gets a hardware name that never changes (in my case, usually from Greek mythology). But that's completely separate from its DNS name and also any service nicknames. For example, the current external.spsystems.net (my gateway/firewall) is also known as Castor, it having been one of a pair of identical machines. (First thing I did when they arrived was dig out the marking pen and put a C on the front panel of one and a P on the other -- it's too easy to get identical pieces of hardware confused.) It's the third or fourth machine to be called "external". It's also known by the internal nickname "clock", it being my current time server. I do make some attempt to choose vaguely appropriate hardware names -- e.g., the current central system is Zeus, its predecessor was Kronos (father of Zeus), its replacement-in-waiting is Apollo (one of Zeus's sons) -- but they don't change even if they eventually become inappropriate. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 01:37:16 2004 From: aitken-BwLjziHGQLusTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (Chris Aitken) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:37:16 -0400 Subject: gui printer starter tool In-Reply-To: <200404271240.34590.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <408E8B0E.6090900@onlink.net> <200404271240.34590.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <4091ADCC.7070604@onlink.net> Fraser Campbell wrote: >On Tuesday 27 April 2004 12:32, Chris Aitken wrote: > > > >>I found a gui tool a while back with which I could start my epson c84 (I >>don't know why it need this every once in a while). I didn't make a note >>of the gui tool. I'm running sarge beta. KDE. >> >> > >You're probably after the cups web interface. Try http://localhost:631/ >assuming that you're on localhost. I've seen that with cups sometimes, >printer is "stopped" for no good reason ... anyone know why that happens? > > > As before, I went to Control Centre > Peripherals > Printers > [right-click specific printer] > start printer The username that comes up by default is that of the user you are logged onto linux as. I had been entering the root password for the logged-on user account. I switched the user to root, entered the root password and was able to start the printer. In short I wasn't reading or thinking. Sorry to waste your time. Sincerely, Chris -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 01:58:01 2004 From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:58:01 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <006801c42e56$91cfdb00$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> "daniel" on Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:33 PM wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) Well, let's see for some of the places I have dealt with: Initial Toronto Free-Net Set-up: - Servers: Toronto Subway lines (built or seriously proposed): bloor, yonge, queen, spadina, etc. - Firewall: Heat proof material: asbestos - Terminal servers: Transit hubs: union, pearson1, pearson2, and pearson3 (the pearson terminal servers were all the same make and model...). An advertising firm that had a lot of U.S. clients: - Servers: Former U.S. Presidents: polk, ford, bush, etc. reSource: - Functional names for single purpose servers: files, mail, etc. - General purposes servers: Cat breeds: manx, korat, sphynx, etc. - Desktop machines: name or nickname of the user. Home: - Items to be found in jewellery: topaz, ruby, pearl, onyx, etc. Things I normally look for when doing a naming convention, - I want themes that will offer a fair number of short names (4-6 characters) - I don't want overlapping themes/names (i.e.: I don't want a home and an office machine both called topaz). - I want names to be fit for "polite" company (read nothing obscene). - I want names that tie into the organisation / people at the organisation (i.e.: Ron Smith (head of reSource) owns 9 cats, Toronto Free-Net and the Toronto themes). Colin McGregor P.S. There are three cat breeds noted above, who knows which of them had it's real start here in Toronto? The answer can be seen here: http://www.roncesvallesvillage.ca/hood.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 02:51:14 2004 From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:51:14 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040428134020.GC14790-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <00cb01c42c70$e2b02350$6401a8c0@main> <20040428134020.GC14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <20040429225114.7ef2145f.hgibson@eol.ca> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:40:20 -0400 "Lennart Sorensen" wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 12:01:05PM -0400, Sidney Shapiro wrote: > > I second that. I use a SyncMaster 750s and a SyncMaster 763MB for my > > dual display work station, both are excellent monitors. I use the 21" > > model at work, and it works great as well. I would certainly recommend > > Samsung monitors. Lennart and all, My Samsung 750s works fine at 1280x1024. Xconfigurator even recognizes it! Why does Red Hat not install Xconfigurator? -- Howard Gibson hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org howard-42qnO8ePF9cV+D8aMU/kSg at public.gmane.org http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From grant.cullen-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 02:58:40 2004 From: grant.cullen-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Grant Cullen) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:40 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <006801c42e56$91cfdb00$4501a8c0-ki0Zr782rhv/m7utMz5sVUHTeQkJkYumVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org> References: <006801c42e56$91cfdb00$4501a8c0@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: At one site: Musical instruments Another: Moons of Jupiter (about 13) Another: Characters from the Flintstones (old cartoon series set way in the past) Rockhead is the firewall. At home, Lord of the ring characters. In all cases, the dns has aliases for these servers which reflect what they currently do. Grant Cullen JADALL Consulting Ltd. grant.cullen-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org 416-706-4447 -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org]On Behalf Of Colin McGregor Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 21:58 To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [TLUG]: dan takes a poll: server names "daniel" on Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:33 PM wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) Well, let's see for some of the places I have dealt with: Initial Toronto Free-Net Set-up: - Servers: Toronto Subway lines (built or seriously proposed): bloor, yonge, queen, spadina, etc. - Firewall: Heat proof material: asbestos - Terminal servers: Transit hubs: union, pearson1, pearson2, and pearson3 (the pearson terminal servers were all the same make and model...). An advertising firm that had a lot of U.S. clients: - Servers: Former U.S. Presidents: polk, ford, bush, etc. reSource: - Functional names for single purpose servers: files, mail, etc. - General purposes servers: Cat breeds: manx, korat, sphynx, etc. - Desktop machines: name or nickname of the user. Home: - Items to be found in jewellery: topaz, ruby, pearl, onyx, etc. Things I normally look for when doing a naming convention, - I want themes that will offer a fair number of short names (4-6 characters) - I don't want overlapping themes/names (i.e.: I don't want a home and an office machine both called topaz). - I want names to be fit for "polite" company (read nothing obscene). - I want names that tie into the organisation / people at the organisation (i.e.: Ron Smith (head of reSource) owns 9 cats, Toronto Free-Net and the Toronto themes). Colin McGregor P.S. There are three cat breeds noted above, who knows which of them had it's real start here in Toronto? The answer can be seen here: http://www.roncesvallesvillage.ca/hood.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 03:23:35 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:23:35 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <200404292323.35099.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 29 April 2004 17:33, daniel wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: My computers are named after various small villages around where I grew up (shieldaig, torridon, kishorn, applecross, etc.). Other themes I might use: - tropical islands - rivers that I'd like to fish - mountains -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 03:41:43 2004 From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:41:43 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <20040430034143.GA2247@node1.opengeometry.net> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 05:33:32PM -0400, daniel wrote: > i like to pick people's brains on this issue. your boxes @home and @work. > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? just a > survey if you're interested. here's my stuff: > > fightclub (router) > moulinrouge (desktop) > empirerecords (file/webserver) > pirates (windows) Names of cities, ie. calgary, toronto, ottawa, ... Big machine, big city. Small machine, small city. -- William Park, Open Geometry Consulting, Linux solution/training/migration, Thin-client -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 03:57:11 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:57:11 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404292357.11494.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Thursday 29 April 2004 20:11, Henry Spencer wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Robert Brockway wrote: > > Also, if the hostname is used for item tracking or for service agreements > > and support contracts (common in traditional Unix land) it can be > > problematic to change the hostname and associated paperwork whenever a > > box changes function (and therefore name). > > I find it useful to separate hardware names from DNS names. ?When the box > comes in the door, it gets a hardware name that never changes (in my case, > usually from Greek mythology). ?But that's completely separate from its > DNS name and also any service nicknames. I like the hostname mapping to specific hardware. We had a customer machine called tonga, things got moved around (OS reinstalls) and now I am completely confused as to which machine is which. It is important since there were some hardware issues with one of the machines. We replaced RAM but weren't sure whether that had fixed the problem, now if we have a problem we'll be scratching our heads wondering whether we've already replaced RAM in the machine giving problems or if it's just time to scrap the whole caboodle. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 04:36:21 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <40919732.3010609-Xk30rxnpnVyw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <40917E76.1000301@mgamble.ca> <40919732.3010609@mgamble.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Matthew Gamble wrote: > And for everyones reference, the RFC for the naming of hosts is > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2100.html Actually I was thinking about RFC1178: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178.html I had forgotten about RFC2100 :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 05:02:47 2004 From: henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org (Henry Spencer) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 01:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404292357.11494.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <200404292357.11494.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Fraser Campbell wrote: > I like the hostname mapping to specific hardware. We had a customer machine > called tonga, things got moved around (OS reinstalls) and now I am completely > confused as to which machine is which. DNS hostnames *will* get changed -- if not by deliberate advance planning, then in a crisis when you've got to deal with the problem first and worry about the rules later. > It is important since there were some hardware issues with one of the > machines. We replaced RAM but weren't sure whether that had fixed the > problem, now if we have a problem we'll be scratching our heads wondering > whether we've already replaced RAM in the machine giving problems or if it's > just time to scrap the whole caboodle. When you've got multiple identical or near-identical machines (or just a sufficiently large number of non-identical machines), it's vital to keep proper records. There has to be a log, on line or on paper, saying what got done to which machine when... and the machines have to have unambiguous identifying names/numbers/whatever which are assigned at unpacking time, clearly marked on the machines, and never changed. People often underestimate the importance of this until it bites them. Henry Spencer henry-lqW1N6Cllo0sV2N9l4h3zg at public.gmane.org -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 13:31:21 2004 From: erebus-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Erebus) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:31:21 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <40918258.7010501-/2gyfjYZF1k@public.gmane.org> References: <40918258.7010501@gmi2.com> Message-ID: Our house has four computers, so they are named for the 3 musketeers: Athos (my PC) Porthos (wife's PC) Aramas (workbench PC) Dartagnan (workbench PC) Frank in Mississauga -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 12:41:20 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:41:20 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <40924970.6060703@sympatico.ca> daniel wrote: > > what names have you given them? do they conform to a theme at all? Yup; rodents of Ontario at home: groundhog, chipmunk, ... At work (various places), amusing Scottish place names or rivers: twechar, luggie, bonkle, lost, ... Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 14:00:14 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:00:14 -0400 Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404301000.14854.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 30 April 2004 01:02, Henry Spencer wrote: > When you've got multiple identical or near-identical machines (or just a > sufficiently large number of non-identical machines), it's vital to keep > proper records. There has to be a log, on line or on paper, saying what > got done to which machine when... and the machines have to have unambiguous > identifying names/numbers/whatever which are assigned at unpacking time, > clearly marked on the machines, and never changed. > > People often underestimate the importance of this until it bites them. Absolutely. Spend an extra 5% time documenting how things were setup and you'll save 100s of % of time when you have to do it again (disaster recovery, migration, whatever). I find documentation of software (configuration, libraries, etc.) more important than hardware but both are vital. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 14:44:58 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dan takes a poll: server names In-Reply-To: <40924970.6060703-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg@public.gmane.org> References: <200404291733.32237.danstemporaryaccount@yahoo.ca> <40924970.6060703@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > At work (various places), amusing Scottish place names or rivers: > twechar, luggie, bonkle, lost, ... At a previous workplace we realised that a number of us had connections to Ireland[1]. As a result all the development Solaris boxes started getting named after Irish counties. Armagh and sligo and limerick always seemed the most popular because of their names. [1] Except for one British guy who claimed absolutely no connection to Ireland :) Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 15:20:35 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:20:35 -0400 Subject: LCD / Video Card advice request In-Reply-To: <20040429225114.7ef2145f.hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ@public.gmane.org> References: <00cb01c42c70$e2b02350$6401a8c0@main> <20040428134020.GC14790@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20040429225114.7ef2145f.hgibson@eol.ca> Message-ID: <20040430152035.GA29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:51:14PM -0400, Howard Gibson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:40:20 -0400 > > Lennart and all, > > My Samsung 750s works fine at 1280x1024. Xconfigurator even recognizes it! 66HZ refresh != working fine. 75Hz refresh == working fine. Almost all 17" monitors on the market are crap when it comes wo 1280x1024 (some even at 1152x864). It is even starting to be true for 19" screens. > Why does Red Hat not install Xconfigurator? Perhaps it is obsolete and only for XFree86 3.x use? Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 16:58:50 2004 From: Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kerry Panchoo) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:58:50 -0400 Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not Message-ID: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> Hi, My application involves a number machines in remote locations connected to the internet via a cable modem or DSL. In some cases the machine may be down or internet connection may be lost. I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address of the modem ? regards, Kerry -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 17:12:49 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:12:49 -0400 Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <409285CA.3050000-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:58:50PM -0400, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > My application involves a number machines in remote locations connected > to the internet via a cable modem or DSL. In some cases the machine may > be down or internet connection may be lost. > > I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you > know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL > modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address > of the modem ? The modem does generally not have an IP, it just acts as a bridge device. So no there is no way to test for that at least not remotely. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 17:35:12 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <20040430171249.GB29754-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you > > know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL > > modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address > > of the modem ? > > The modem does generally not have an IP, it just acts as a bridge > device. So no there is no way to test for that at least not remotely. This is true, but the presence of the Internet link itself implies that the cable/adsl modem is up[1]. So I would say the answer to the question is "ping"[2]. [1] Assuming a static address. If it is dynamic someone else might have grabbed it if your site is down. [2] Unless the original poster really wants to try to detect the presence of the modem without an IP being allocated on the interface. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 17:48:07 2004 From: Kpanchoo-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kerry Panchoo) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:48:07 -0400 Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> heres the current scenario: within our application we see can see if one of our machines hast checked in, we now have to determine the problem- it could be one of two things: - The machine has stopped functioning - The internet at the location is down and the machine is still in operation but cannot connect to our server so we need to determine what the problem is. A ping with a pong only tells you that the internet is fine and the machine is still in operation. On the other hand a ping with no reply would not tell you where the problem is. If i could determine if the cable modem is running, then i know that our machine has gone down etc. If there is no response from the cable modem then I know that there is an internet problem OR it may be unplugged etc. I did a search online and found stuff on how to DOS a cable modem haha; not exactly what i was looking for. Kerry Robert Brockway wrote: > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > >>>I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you >>>know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL >>>modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address >>>of the modem ? >> >>The modem does generally not have an IP, it just acts as a bridge >>device. So no there is no way to test for that at least not remotely. > > > This is true, but the presence of the Internet link itself implies that > the cable/adsl modem is up[1]. So I would say the answer to the question > is "ping"[2]. > > [1] Assuming a static address. If it is dynamic someone else might have > grabbed it if your site is down. > > [2] Unless the original poster really wants to try to detect the presence > of the modem without an IP being allocated on the interface. > > Rob > -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 18:24:58 2004 From: echapin-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Elliott Chapin) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:24:58 -0400 Subject: OT (MS) Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040430141903.02d45970@pop1.sympatico.ca> I tried IE yesterday at a site I normally access with Netscape. I was told I needed JVM, but was sent to an MS page which required JVM for viewing ;) http://www3.sympatico.ca/echapin -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:03:18 2004 From: louiehui_xu-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (hui xu) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. I am pretty new in this area. Thanks!! Louie Robert Brockway wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you > > know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL > > modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address > > of the modem ? > > The modem does generally not have an IP, it just acts as a bridge > device. So no there is no way to test for that at least not remotely. This is true, but the presence of the Internet link itself implies that the cable/adsl modem is up[1]. So I would say the answer to the question is "ping"[2]. [1] Assuming a static address. If it is dynamic someone else might have grabbed it if your site is down. [2] Unless the original poster really wants to try to detect the presence of the modem without an IP being allocated on the interface. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:28:27 2004 From: john-Z7w/En0MP3xWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (John Macdonald) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:28:27 -0400 Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <40929157.3070701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <20040430192827.GA27831@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 01:48:07PM -0400, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > heres the current scenario: > > within our application we see can see if one of our machines hast > checked in, we now have to determine the problem- it could be one of two > things: > - The machine has stopped functioning > - The internet at the location is down and the machine is still in > operation but cannot connect to our server > > so we need to determine what the problem is. A ping with a pong only > tells you that the internet is fine and the machine is still in operation. > > On the other hand a ping with no reply would not tell you where the > problem is. If i could determine if the cable modem is running, then i > know that our machine has gone down etc. If there is no response from > the cable modem then I know that there is an internet problem OR it may > be unplugged etc. > > I did a search online and found stuff on how to DOS a cable modem haha; > not exactly what i was looking for. A ping might do the job, actually - it depends upon whether the "modem" is simply a datapipe (like the grey Nortel boxes that Sympatico originally was handing out) and something fancier that does firewall, NAT, port forwarding, etc. A fancier box may be configurable to respond to ping rather than, say, passing the ping through to the local computer (or network). -- -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:42:50 2004 From: zkoziol-Zd07PnzKK1IAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Zbigniew Koziol) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:42:50 -0400 Subject: memory leaks in perl In-Reply-To: <20040430192827.GA27831-FexrNA+1sEo9RQMjcVF9lNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> <20040430192827.GA27831@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: <20040430193141.8DBB817C516@smtp.istop.com> I have an application that probably does just that: it takes more and more memory with time. It is perl. Fortunately, not on Linux but on Solaris. Is there a way to trace these things, find out what is wrong with perl script? zb. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From jking-qM+w8GKqYhOakBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:32:50 2004 From: jking-qM+w8GKqYhOakBO8gow8eQ at public.gmane.org (John King) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:32:50 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c42ee9$ed1c9eb0$cf00a8c0@jrking> Check Primus http://www.primus.ca/home.html) pricing John -----Original Message----- From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of hui xu Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 3:03 PM To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org Subject: [TLUG]: Static IP Hi, Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. I am pretty new in this area. Thanks!! Louie Robert Brockway wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > I'd like to be able to determine which of these have taken place. Do you > > know what tests can be carried out to determine if the cable or DSL > > modem is in operation if i have the (hopefully) the current IP address > > of the modem ? > > The modem does generally not have an IP, it just acts as a bridge > device. So no there is no way to test for that at least not remotely. This is true, but the presence of the Internet link itself implies that the cable/adsl modem is up[1]. So I would say the answer to the question is "ping"[2]. [1] Assuming a static address. If it is dynamic someone else might have grabbed it if your site is down. [2] Unless the original poster really wants to try to detect the presence of the modem without an IP bei ng allocated on the interface. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml _____ Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:42:41 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:42:41 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200404301542.41791.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 30 April 2004 15:03, hui xu wrote: > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with static > IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. I am pretty > new in this area. istop. $36.33/month with static IP, you can pay a bit more or a bit less depending on how you set it up. -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:45:24 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:45:24 -0400 Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <40929157.3070701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1083354323.26664.44.camel@rincewind.discworld> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 13:48, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > heres the current scenario: > > within our application we see can see if one of our machines hast > checked in, we now have to determine the problem- it could be one of two > things: > - The machine has stopped functioning > - The internet at the location is down and the machine is still in > operation but cannot connect to our server > > so we need to determine what the problem is. A ping with a pong only > tells you that the internet is fine and the machine is still in operation. > > On the other hand a ping with no reply would not tell you where the > problem is. If i could determine if the cable modem is running, then i > know that our machine has gone down etc. If there is no response from > the cable modem then I know that there is an internet problem OR it may > be unplugged etc. > > I did a search online and found stuff on how to DOS a cable modem haha; > not exactly what i was looking for. I think the ping failure may be different depending on whether the machine is down, at least in terms of power. For instance if the machine is powered down it should return "Destination host unreachable" whereas if the machine is powered up but ignoring ICMP packets (e.g. it froze) then the pings will (probably) simply time out. If you're using a newer cable modem and its connected to the machine via USB this is likely what will happen as well. There may even be some magic you can do with the MAC address. You could also check the status of the various hops to the host, particularly those close to the host. If those are unresponsive then there is almost certainly a connection problem. Plus, with the exception of trouble with the modem itself or local line problems, it's doubtful that there would be connection interruptions without one of the gateways being down. In other words, assuming the cable modem is ok and there are no local line problems, the internet connection is down if and only if its closest gateway is also down. Also, unless the IP is static, you'd probably need to do some kind of fingerprinting on successful pings in case the machine lost its IP address and a different machine took the old IP. You should dig through something like TCP/IP Illustrated for other ideas. Regards, -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:49:37 2004 From: marcus.brubaker-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Marcus Brubaker) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:49:37 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1083354576.26664.48.camel@rincewind.discworld> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 15:03, hui xu wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with > static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. > I am pretty new in this area. > > Thanks!! > Louie > If you want to run a server, make sure that you're ISP is generally OK with that. Most of them aren't (technically) although I haven't heard of them prosecuting these things with any kind of prejudice. There are, however, ISPs which explicitly allow them. One of them, which is very Linux friendly, is www.istop.com. Regards, -- Marcus Brubaker -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:50:26 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, hui xu wrote: > Hi, > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with > static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. I > am pretty new in this area. iStop (http://www.istop.com) offers ADSL (3M/800k)[1] with a static address[2]. They explicitly allow you to run servers although they reserve the right to block or redirect busy ports. I have no relationship to iStop except as a client. I went over to them after a number of good recomendations. [1] I'm only getting 1.7M even though the line should handle 3M. I need to investigate this further but I only got connected 2 days ago :) If you _only_ want a dns server there are other options. Have you considered Everydns.net? [2] This costs $50 once-off or $4/month on top of any other costs. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 19:53:40 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <40929157.3070701-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Kerry Panchoo wrote: > so we need to determine what the problem is. A ping with a pong only > tells you that the internet is fine and the machine is still in operation. > > On the other hand a ping with no reply would not tell you where the Sure, but the box initiating the ping should get a reply, unless someone has a broken firewall between it and the remote box. Look into icmp-destination-unreachable. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 20:14:45 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:14:45 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040430201445.GC29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:03:18PM -0400, hui xu wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. > I am pretty new in this area. I am using www.istop.com Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 20:17:42 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:17:42 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040430201742.GD29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:50:26PM -0400, Robert Brockway wrote: > iStop (http://www.istop.com) offers ADSL (3M/800k)[1] with a static > address[2]. They explicitly allow you to run servers > although they reserve the right to block or redirect busy ports. > > I have no relationship to iStop except as a client. I went over to them > after a number of good recomendations. > > [1] I'm only getting 1.7M even though the line should handle 3M. I need > to investigate this further but I only got connected 2 days ago :) > > If you _only_ want a dns server there are other options. Have you > considered Everydns.net? > > [2] This costs $50 once-off or $4/month on top of any other costs. Not sure about the speed. My line is indicated as "up to 1.7Mbit" and I don't think I have passed 1.0Mbit yet. I suspect my line though given I live in an old appartment building on the 21th floor, with terrible wiring in the walls, so I am not that surprised. Seems rather reliable so far though. Still over 10 times faster than my 56k modem was so I am happy. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 20:21:58 2004 From: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Testing to find out if a cable or DSL modem is online or not In-Reply-To: <1083354323.26664.44.camel-eTg7c9BlEq95hrpxxnI5yFifK/mc/01a@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430171249.GB29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> <1083354323.26664.44.camel@rincewind.discworld> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > I think the ping failure may be different depending on whether the > machine is down, at least in terms of power. For instance if the > machine is powered down it should return "Destination host unreachable" For those wondering how a host that is down could return a packet (my last email probably implied this also :) it is infact the host before the one that is down that passes back icmp-host-unreachable. Unfortunately all too many firewalls are broken and drop all icmp packets on the floor. Some icmp packets really need to get through for proper functioning of the Internet. Rob -- Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert-5LEc/6Zm6xCUd8a0hrldnti2O/JbrIOy at public.gmane.org, rbrockway-cFo9iiqjkw8eIZ0/mPfg9Q at public.gmane.org Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org) "The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 20:33:40 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:33:40 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430201742.GD29754-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <20040430201742.GD29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <200404301633.40379.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 30 April 2004 16:17, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Not sure about the speed. My line is indicated as "up to 1.7Mbit" and I > don't think I have passed 1.0Mbit yet. I suspect my line though given I > live in an old appartment building on the 21th floor, with terrible > wiring in the walls, so I am not that surprised. Seems rather reliable > so far though. Still over 10 times faster than my 56k modem was so I am > happy. I'm getting 3 MB :-) Here are the stats on some Debian updates that I just fetched: Fetched 8229kB in 26s (313kB/s) -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 20:38:20 2004 From: scruss-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Stewart C. Russell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:38:20 -0400 Subject: memory leaks in perl In-Reply-To: <20040430193141.8DBB817C516-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <40929157.3070701@rogers.com> <20040430192827.GA27831@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040430193141.8DBB817C516@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <4092B93C.2030301@sympatico.ca> Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I have an application that probably does just that: it takes more and more > memory with time. It is perl. Fortunately, not on Linux but on Solaris. Some versions of Perl's socket code are leaky. I think it's fixed in the most recent builds. If you're using IO::Socket, be wary of this, especially in daemon-like programs. Stewart -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 21:10:52 2004 From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:10:52 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <200404301633.40379.fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <20040430201742.GD29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <200404301633.40379.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> Message-ID: <20040430211052.GE29754@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 04:33:40PM -0400, Fraser Campbell wrote: > On Friday 30 April 2004 16:17, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > > Not sure about the speed. My line is indicated as "up to 1.7Mbit" and I > > don't think I have passed 1.0Mbit yet. I suspect my line though given I > > live in an old appartment building on the 21th floor, with terrible > > wiring in the walls, so I am not that surprised. Seems rather reliable > > so far though. Still over 10 times faster than my 56k modem was so I am > > happy. > > I'm getting 3 MB :-) Here are the stats on some Debian updates that I just > fetched: > > Fetched 8229kB in 26s (313kB/s) Looks great. I guess I will just have to move and get a place with a better quality line. :) I never suspected it to be a problem with istop. Lennart Sorensen -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 22:06:05 2004 From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:06:05 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <20040430190318.96427.qmail-88v4dyJcPGmA/QwVtaZbd3CJp6faPEW9@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4092CDCD.4010109@rogers.com> hui xu wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with > static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. > I am pretty new in this area. ???? What are you planning on using the DNS for? You can't just set one up for your ISP. If for a local network, you don't need a static IP. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 22:27:00 2004 From: fraser-eicrhRFjby5dCsDujFhwbypxlwaOVQ5f at public.gmane.org (Fraser Campbell) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:27:00 -0400 Subject: Static IP In-Reply-To: <4092CDCD.4010109-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> References: <20040430190318.96427.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <4092CDCD.4010109@rogers.com> Message-ID: <200404301827.00889.fraser@georgetown.wehave.net> On Friday 30 April 2004 18:06, James Knott wrote: > > Does anybody know where I can apply for a high speed internet with > > static IP address? I want to build a DNS server with redhat linux 8.0. > > I am pretty new in this area. > > ???? > > What are you planning on using the DNS for? ?You can't just set one up > for your ISP. ?If for a local network, you don't need a static IP. I would assume that he has one or more domains and needs control over the dns, more control than he might get if he farmed that service out to an ISP. I plan on setting up an Internet accessible dns server at home as well. I host a (small) bunch of domains on coloed servers and right now I use backupdns.com (very cheap and fairly reliable) as my secondary dns server. I plan on moving secondary dns service to my house because I can, because it will save me a few dollars a month and because it gives me a good excuse to learn a new DNS server (nsd). -- Fraser Campbell http://www.wehave.net/ Georgetown, Ontario, Canada Debian GNU/Linux -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml From tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Fri Apr 30 21:51:26 2004 From: tlug-9a/WvBvX2Qpg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Sergey Kuznetsov) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:51:26 +0000 Subject: memory leaks in perl In-Reply-To: <20040430193141.8DBB817C516-1WX2iAnhvdWVv0GNigkn8w@public.gmane.org> References: <409285CA.3050000@rogers.com> <20040430192827.GA27831@lupus.perlwolf.com> <20040430193141.8DBB817C516@smtp.istop.com> Message-ID: <200404302151.26350.tlug@deeptown.org> On April 30, 2004 07:42 pm, Zbigniew Koziol wrote: > I have an application that probably does just that: it takes more and more > memory with time. It is perl. Fortunately, not on Linux but on Solaris. > > Is there a way to trace these things, find out what is wrong with perl > script? > Does it use the hashes? If so, is there any unique or random keys? If random, probably you are not cleaning unused hash entries, you can do it like this: delete $hash{$key} or undef $hash{$key} Perl quite gentle manage the memory. > zb. > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml -- All the Best! Sergey. -- The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml