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James Knott james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
Sun Nov 30 21:16:55 UTC 2003


No I didn't.  The point is, that there are laws to prevent companies 
with market control, from doing things that prevent competition.  Some 
of what MS did amounts to extortion, which is always illegal, whether in 
business or not.


Anton Markov wrote:
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> You missed the whole point:
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> James Knott wrote:
> |
> | Ever hear of restraint of trade?
> No.  Not in a capitalist country.
> |
> | Then MS started pushing Windows and telling computer vendors
> | that if they wanted DOS, they had to include Windows.  This is forced
> | bundling.  If computer vendors didn't take the deal, they didn't have an
> | OS to sell with their computers.
> And this was Microsoft's fault?  Why should Microsoft be responsible
> that vendors didn't want to sell their products, and didn't have an
> alternative.  What about Linux?  Mac?  OS/2?  If those weren't real
> alternatives, than maybe at that time Windows *was* the best OS to sell?
> 
> | Imagine
> | if Shell forced the car makers to pay them for the gas in the tank of
> | each new car, even if the gas came from another company.  Guess who's
> | gas would be in those tanks?
> Or Shell wouldn't let them put any Shell gas in at all?  Then they would
> just not put in any Shell gas.  And if Shell gas was cheaper and better
> than other gas, then maybe it *would* be in every tank.
> 
> |
> | Then, as I mentioned the computer vendors were forced to drop support
> | for other than Windows, if they wished to receive competitive prices for
> | Windows.  This is where extortion becomes evident.  The sources I
> | listed, include several examples.
> Like I said, Microsoft can decide whether or not they want to sell their
> products at a particular price.  The reason for the decision does not
> matter.
> 
> | It got to the point where computer vendors had to play by MS terms or
> | not at all.  The result was that any company that tried to offer an
> | alternative was punished in a manner that could put them out of business.
> That's why it's called "competition".  A few best (business plan wise)
> win; everyone else looses or is left behind.
> 
> | There was also the phony "incompatibility" with DR-DOS, that MS
> | deliberately put into Windows 3.  There was a similar problem with the
> | MSCDEX CD-ROM drivers, that would check to see if they were being run in
> | OS/2 and then crap out.
> Car makers do this all the time.
> 
> | As I said, read those books and you might have a different view.
> That's why I have a different point of view from other people - I read
> books.  The kind written by successful entrepreneurs.
> 
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