IT Job creations... IT job losses?

Anton Markov anton-F0u+EriZ6ihBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org
Tue Nov 4 03:46:51 UTC 2003



JoeHill wrote:

>On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:59:38 -0500 (EST)
>"Keith Mastin" <kmastin-PzQIwG9Jn9VAFePFGvp55w at public.gmane.org> uttered:
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>>Why is it wrong? M$ has a huge market share on the desktop, yes. Why
>>does that irritate you? 
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>Illegal business practices, predatory behaviour, strangling competition,
>seemingly unlimited willingness to ignore security issues, bullying
>hardware manufacturers into dumping competing products, etc. etc.
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ahm...
- All businesses are predators; it's win or die in the business world.
- Strangling competition is a completely legal and acceptable business 
practice.  You would have to
sue every Fortune 500 company if this was illegal.
- I thought this whole "MS is insecure" thing was closed up a couple of 
months ago in a series of
posts/articles
- "bullying hardware manufacturers into dumping competing products" ... 
explain please

>>Why are you not going after Mac for building  bigger, faster and
>>better proprietary computers that you can't customize without killing
>>the warranty? Is that also not monopolistic?
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>Mac was one of MS's victims, remember? Building a totally proprietary
>system isn't monopolistic, it's just stupid, which is why they were such
>easy prey. IBM learned this the hard way and is now reaping the benefits
>of embracing OSS. Sun, Oracle, and Novell have jumped on the bandwagon
>too. Hey, ask Eric S., the proprietary software model is dead, I just
>don't want to see MS drag a whole bunch of innocent bystanders down with
>it.
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We are talking about hardware here, not software.  Hardware can't be 
copied using Kazaa or
"landed" to your friend for ever.  All hardware is "proprietary".  Linux 
runs on Macs; they haven't
locked up their system to software.  And Macs are much better than 
Intels or AMDs for video /
photo editing.

>>I fix a lot of broken windoh$ boxes. Let me tell ya something... those
>>users... M$ is the best they are capable of using, and even that's a
>>stretch. I've seen them decide they didn't need an Administrator
>>account on Win2k, so they deleted it. Let me ask you this: do you
>>really want those people trying to run a computer that's outfitted
>>with anything but windoh$?
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>Yes. They have a far greater chance of getting their work done without
>having it interrupted with a BSOD, virus infection, forced upgrades,
>patches that break functionality,  another BSOD...let them try to delete
>the root account on a properly configured Linux box. Now *that* I would
>like to see. And if you can click on "Start", you can certainly get used
>to clicking on the little Gnome foot ;-) And as an added bonus, they
>won't be able to download and install Gator or Bonzai Buddy.
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True, but who is going to "properly configure" the box for them?  How 
many *million* new computer
users are there in the US every year?  There aren't enough Linux 
enthusiasts out there to help them all
yet.

>>I'm not convinced that everyone shares your views about what linux is
>>*supposed to be*. I sure don't. Dominant models genrally suck for
>>anything they weren't designed to do. Volkswagen made a great car with
>>the beetle, but it was thought to be useless for moving a house.
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>A lot of people share my views, including the FSF, the producers of
>several Linux distros, national, regional, and local governments, just
>to name a few. Yes, diversity is good, which is why Linux is a good
>choice to replace Windows in a large number of roles, while MS pulls up
>it's socks and starts running a different kind of software company, one
>that is competitive and dedicated to customer satisfaction. The latest
>information I've read indicates they are neither.
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Apparently a very large percent of Microsoft customers are very 
satisfied with their software.
The people you mentioned above don't make up more than 10% of the total 
computer users in the
world.  If I was a business, I wouldn't care about such a small 
minority.  Windows satisfies the
majority of it's users, otherwise they would not buy it (or upgrade to a 
newer version).  Satisfying
the remaining 10% would require a complete re-write of Windows.  That 
would be a stupid thing
to do.  Linux and Mac fills up those 10%, and everyone is happy (except 
the people who can't
accept the truth that not everyone wants to run fvm2 on a 7-year-old PC).

Once and for all, get off of Microsoft's back, and don't criticize them 
until you have created an
equal or better business and software model and *implemented* it.

>And as for all those Windows developers who program in VB, well, adapt
>or die.
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That I have to agree with.  VB is the worst language ever.  The only 
thing worse is Turing :).


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Anton


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