City Of Toronto
Tom Legrady
legrady-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
Sun Dec 28 15:38:16 UTC 2003
Ten years ago I worked in an office of 8 developers which used a Sparc
10 with 32 MB ( or maybe 64 MB, I forget ) and 1 GB HD, driving a bunch
of NCD Xterminals. We were using vi & emacs and ruunning gcc all day long
Phillip Mills wrote:
> On Saturday, December 27, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Howard Gibson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:08:49 -0500
>> Phillip Mills <pmills-5bG9SNWDbRX3fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>> "The city's problem is that 14,000 of its 17,500 computers are of 1999
>>> vintage or older, which means that the operating system they run on is
>>> Microsoft Windows NT, a program which the software company will no
>>> longer support after some time next year, and they do not have the
>>> capacity to run on the next generation of software, Windows XP, which
>>> the city plans to switch to."
>>>
>> My 1998 computer works okay as long as I do not launch KDE. I
>> have added a lot of RAM since I bought the thing, 64MB to 256MB. My
>> second hand laptop has 64MB of RAM. I am running Red Hat 8 on both
>> machines.
>>
>> I am here to tell you that 64MB is not enough for Red Hat 8. If I
>> cannot get more than 64MB into the laptop, this will be its final
>> upgrade.
>>
>> I suspect that if you install the latest version of Linux onto
>> these old machines, you will teach a bunch of people to hate Linux.
>> A clever administrator may get these machines to work efficiently,
>> but new machines are probably easier and more reliable, Linux or no
>> Linux.
>
>
> I don't have a problem with anything you're saying, except that I miss
> the point. I certainly wouldn't be happy doing software development
> with 64MB on any of my systems, whether Linux, Mac, or MS.
>
> I have a Dell P3 733 that was given to me with NT 4 Workstation
> running. I have it dual-booting with NT and SuSE 8.1/KDE. The
> interface feels faster under Linux than Windows. Years ago -- when NT
> 4 was new -- I converted a PII to Linux and used it as an Internet
> gateway for a 20-person office. Running NT, it wouldn't have worked
> as well...if at all. Since the people referenced in the above quote
> are using NT already, then equivalent functions on a Linux system
> should *not* be a *worse* experience for performance. I think one
> would have to try really hard to install Linux such that it felt
> slower than NT on any given system.
>
> If workers need upgraded systems because of their job functions or
> because the standard for acceptable performance has changed, that's
> fine. If they need them just to do an XP upgrade -- like the article
> suggests -- that seems terribly wasteful.
>
> ........................
> Phillip Mills
> Multi-platform software development
> (416) 224-0714
>
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