<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div>On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:50 PM Dhaval Giani <<a href="mailto:dhaval.giani@gmail.com">dhaval.giani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 9:36 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" target="_blank">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 11:40 AM James Knott via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" target="_blank">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
> Bell faces human rights complaint over allegations of inaccessibility <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span>for blind customers<br>
> <a href="https://globalnews.ca/news/9373449/bell-human-rights-complaint/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://globalnews.ca/news/9373449/bell-human-rights-complaint/</a><br>
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This is about what Bell is not providing, even though other companies do. However, this is current technology, not obsolete, which Karen <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span>seems to need.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I call shenanigans on that perspective.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Given the nature of our group it is natural that some here will see the issue as merely one of choice and pace of technology, but IMO it must be seen as a broader issue of problem-solving.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Evan, I did not read James' response in that vein. I read it as genuine curiosity.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">Forgive me for insisting that technical curiosity take a back seat to the real-world medical needs of people. But I will insist. This is a real problem, not an experiment nor a business decision.<br></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Keep in mind that this group is primarily engineers/problem solvers.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">So far the engineering-based problem-solving I've witnessed in this thread has amounted to "you can't get there from here". Explaining how Bell's system works now does zero to solve Karen's technical issues, let alone the quality of the customer-service response to her actions to date.<br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> And I think it is an important question to answer. What is it that changes that it causes Karen issues?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">Indeed, that is Bell's problem that it MUST solve. If the transition has broken backwards compatibility (to use our lingo), they must fix the breakage. Their current digital-to-analog solution may work for many users (such as my landline) but clearly isn't sufficient for Karen's needs.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">The best possible solution is to find something that addresses Karen's requirement with a purely digital connection. Maybe it's a latency issue; remember how sensitive faxes were to even slightly unstable connections? I don't have any clue on the technical issues, but simply insist that the onus is on Bell to address them since they broke compatibility. I care less about "how" than that it gets done.<br></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> While we are not medical professionals, we are engineers and it is our job to solve the problem. In order to do that we do need to understand the problem. This doesn't mean that Karen needs to participate in that process. Maybe the medical professionals have an idea on what is getting affected physically, but they are not engineers and they cannot comment on how to answer the question on how to solve it.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">The medical professionals are required to define the problem, ie the specifications required for their instruments to work properly. The comms engineers then need to solve that problem by whatever means necessary. We know that an analog solution using POTS works. Karen cannot simply be left behind by the move to digital.<br></div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> If Karen's accessibility needs require analog service in 2023, then that service is not obsolete merely because it's convenient for Bell to declare it so. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The service is obsolete because the technology is no longer being actively maintained</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">I don't want to digress over semantics and definitions of "obsolete", see below.<br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> This doesn't absolve Bell of the responsibility to ensure accessibility requirements are met. It just means the technology is obsolete.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">If you agree that Bell has the responsibility to be backwards-compatible, then designations of "obsolete" are irrelevant. <br></div></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">I am reminded (once again) of the brilliance of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSfejgwbDQ8">Jon Stewart's 2021 rant on the Colbert show</a>, talking mainly about the COVID lab leak "theory" but coming up with this general comment:</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><i>"We owe a great deal of gratitude to science. Science has, in many ways, helped ease the suffering [...] which was more than likely caused by science."</i><br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">Bell broke it. They need to fix it. Full stop. No excuses.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">- Evan<br></div><br></div></div></div>