<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 9:36 AM Evan Leibovitch via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 11:40 AM James Knott via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" target="_blank">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
> Bell faces human rights complaint over allegations of inaccessibility <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span>for blind customers<br>
> <a href="https://globalnews.ca/news/9373449/bell-human-rights-complaint/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://globalnews.ca/news/9373449/bell-human-rights-complaint/</a><br>
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This is about what Bell is not providing, even though other companies do. However, this is current technology, not obsolete, which Karen <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> </span>seems to need.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I call shenanigans on that perspective.<br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"><br></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Given the nature of our group it is natural that some here will see the issue as merely one of choice and pace of technology, but IMO it must be seen as a broader issue of problem-solving.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Evan, I did not read James' response in that vein. I read it as genuine curiosity. Keep in mind that this group is primarily engineers/problem solvers. And I think it is an important question to answer. What is it that changes that it causes Karen issues? While we are not medical professionals, we are engineers and it is our job to solve the problem. In order to do that we do need to understand the problem. This doesn't mean that Karen needs to participate in that process. Maybe the medical professionals have an idea on what is getting affected physically, but they are not engineers and they cannot comment on how to answer the question on how to solve it.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)"> If Karen's accessibility needs require analog service in 2023, then that service is not obsolete merely because it's convenient for Bell to declare it so. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The service is obsolete because the technology is no longer being actively maintained and all the development is happening elsewhere. This doesn't absolve Bell of the responsibility to ensure accessibility requirements are met. It just means the technology is obsolete. (For example, I would claim Linux 2.6.32 is obsolete, but I can also find millions of IoT devices running 2.6.32 which we probably want to secure).</div><div> </div><div>Thanks!</div><div>Dhaval</div></div></div>