<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>It sounds like some of the problem you were experiencing was with xfdesktop:<br></div><div><a href="https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/start">https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/start</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>xfce4/xfwm and their components have had some major upgrades in the past couple years after no updates for a long, long time. Idk about debian versioning but maybe there was some incompatibility if you upgraded one but not the other. Try doing it all at once.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But if you want something more adventurous, maybe you'd be interested in:<br></div><div>Not so Common Desktop Environment (NsCDE)<br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE">https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>good luck!<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, at 2:18 PM, mwilson--- via talk wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>I just installed Debian 12 on a new laptop and took Gnome as<br></div><div>desktop/window manager.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I really insist on something more Xerox PARC style.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I had been using Xfce, and liked it until (following Debian 10 software<br></div><div>updates) it began to act strangely. A few months ago it started to kick<br></div><div>up a huge fuss about difficulties starting the Panel after a restart. <br></div><div>About 2 weeks back, following an upgrade, the Desktop area stopped<br></div><div>displaying anything -- no wallpaper, no icons from the Desktop folder --<br></div><div>just gray. That prompted this move to Debian 12.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I might go back to Xfce, and assume my troubles just resulted from being 2<br></div><div>major releases back, but before that, what do other people use and like?<br></div><div><br></div><div>---<br></div><div>Post to this mailing list <a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</a><br></div><div>Unsubscribe from this mailing list <a href="https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk">https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>