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<div>On 4/25/21 1:46 PM, Aruna
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<div dir="auto">I know some people may think this is an
over-reaction. But FWIW, I agree with the Zero Tolerance
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<div>Zero Tolerance allows one to live. They need to be shot
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<p>How about something like a go-fund-me kind of service that
distributes the money to the successful contract killer?</p>
<p>I am sure something can be done over a blockchain.</p>
<p>If we could add in spammers I would be most happy.</p>
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<p>Absolutely nauseating. Shocking and horrifying.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Did you follow this thread from the very beginning ? If you did you would have seen my first thoughts were:<br><br> "I am torn two ways. My heart says shoot them. My brain says hire them ? Sigh..."<br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>That being clarified interpretation of what is said ( in this case what was written ) may not necessarily be correct from what was meant and intended ? No one advocated for what you <br></div><div>suggested and I personally find the term distasteful. Let me give you a clear and precise example so there is no doubt. When I said They need to be shot, you interpreted that in a manner</div><div>that suggests death ? What if I exercise my freedom of choice and opinion and say but sir no-no I was saying they should be shot with the covid-19 vaccine ? See what I mean ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>What is said or what is written and how it may be perceived or understood is relative. Yes I still say shoot them but if you really think I am going to grab a gun or firearm and go after</div><div>them you need professional help. Most of us in the 'community' are committed and hard working volunteers who do what we do because we believe in open source and the multitude</div><div>of benefits that come with it so I for one was very pisssed when I heard about this and said what I did but at no time do I wish any harm to anyone. I was angry and was letting out steam. <br></div><div>Likewise Alvin said something in jest he was never serious. <br></div><div><br></div><div>What is Absolutely nauseating and Shocking and horrifying is the fact that two PhD students from a highly respected academic research institute would do this. Linux if you did not know now</div><div>runs on most everything under the sun. Imagine this 'bug' or 'vulnerability' is exploited and the system is on a motor vehicle that is on the 401 or even better 407 express way ? What do you think</div><div>will happen to the person driving when the control systems and mechanisms fail ? Is that not murder ? Likewise many hospitals use linux based systems for support and analysis imagine what would happen</div><div>if a patient on a ventilator has a bug hit ? What would you call that ? <br></div><div><br></div><div>What is Absolutely nauseating. Shocking and horrifying is what some folk will do for personal gain and recognition with absolute and utter disregard for possible negative impacts from</div><div>their actions on the entire community.</div><div></div><div><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<p>"Zero tolerance" means at the very least, that advocating murder
is cause for immediate and permanent banning from this list, is it
not?</p></div></blockquote><div>It would be so easy to ban someone. What is much more difficult to do is to engage them, inform and educate them and hopefully affect behaviour change that results in <br></div><div>actions that benefit the community.<br></div><div> </div></div><div><p>>>No, Toronto does not have the prevalence of firearms in the hands
of people who casually say they want people shot or the people who
casually agree with them, but our cousins to the south are an
extremely >>important lesson that we do not want to emulate.<br></p></div><div>In 2018 which is 3 years back we had a higher homicide rate than New York. And we have more guns and weapons than you think. Ask yourself how many get shot on a daily basis here ? Wake up to reality my friend. Do some searching on Google :-) Here have a loook: <a href="https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/06/toronto-homicide-rate-now-higher-new-york/" target="_blank">https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/06/toronto-homicide-rate-now-higher-new-york/</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>Anyway I am moving on from this discussion. I felt it needed to be shared that is why I sent out the original email. If I said anything at anytime that has made anyone uncomfortable</div><div>or think this man is advocating for and inciting sudden death I offer my humble and sincere apologies at no time was that the intention and no matter how mad or upset I may be will never</div><div>be that simply because I do not prescribe to any acts of violence - period.. <br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Peace to you all - Aruna <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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