<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 10:21 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">| From: Russell Reiter via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">talk@gtalug.org</a>><br>
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| I stumbled across this. I think it's concise and well written. Cuts through<br>
| the fud pretty well.<br>
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| <a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Stallman" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.britannica.com/biography/Richard-Stallman</a><br>
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I don't know exactly what you are referring to as "FUD" (fear, <br>
uncertainty, and doubt).<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fear that Stallman has no moral centre of self abounds on this list and elsewhere. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Uncertantity that the real evidence may not absolutely validate his ouster.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Doubt must be reasonable. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I mean when someone on this list asks me to tell them I am a white racisist so they can send me to /dev/null over an offhand remark I made about the issue. I can say without a doubt, I know there is something terribly wrong.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not with me, or the list. I would place that statement, which was directed to me, at the heart of the ethical source of the controversy. This comes from my personal expierence of this kind of hate on this list.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have a couple of mantras which I use to overcome such adversity. One such mantra is;</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you give sharp tools to blunt minds, chaos is the only expected result.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Remember not everyone on this list is an elite kernel hacker, as some others hold themselves out to be. Some of us are just users trying to keep linux working on our desktop.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sometimes against all odds, or so it seems.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>
The article seems to be mostly limited to non-controversial and positive <br>
things. It seems to be written very sympathetically. That's probably <br>
appropriate.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I wouldn't necessatily say sympathetically. I would say journalism's ethical cannons were well preserved in the telling.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I certainly object to "One of the last of the “hackers,” computer <br>
programmers who strongly believed in freely modifying and sharing computer <br>
code,". That's nonsense unless qualified somehow.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is an opinion, perhaps nonsensical but only an opinion.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The covering of the Epstein / Minsky issue is very superficial and <br>
consequently probably not misleading. I've avoided studying the <br>
underlying story so I cannot say much.<br>
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It has NO coverage of the other controversial issues.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Well the controversy is steeped in ongoing virtue signaling and emotional values related to universities, engineers, carreers and associated career retardation and advancement; not my balliwick. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Personally on this list, I just hack away using linux and furthering my understanding of the tools that come with it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The other contraversial issues stem from the vanity press of the interweb. I got my kickstart recognising digital vanities on bbs, then by reading usenet posts, so I fend off the trolls as best I can.</div><div dir="auto">.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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So, no, I don't think that this cuts through the FUD.<br>
I don't know that all the controversy is FUD.---</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">True, not repeating the fud doesnt cut through it. However, it can serve to stem a rising tide when viewed in the proper context.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Call it more of a dignifed telling from someone who is not one of Stallmans friends talking about him, or someone who has just met him casually relating one hearsay or another.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When the wagons are circled around a business friend it is often a career limiting move to remain friendly to that person.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is the sad fact of politics of administration at University's and any of the the other corporations which enable them. Especially those state actors in the US and perhaps other jurisdictions as well.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When I am personally attacked on this list for proffering my opinion and I am offered the choice to vacate the list or /dev/null. I always choose /dev/null</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Heck I've even sent procmail rules to the haters on this list, to make it easier for them to avoid abusing me for my having my own opinion on what is and is not linux topicality and the proper framing of referential objects. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But thats just me, others might not have such thick skins and silently leave.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">However I fully believe that perception is not reality; in my own case fending off the trolls or Richard Stallmans issues with the totum of his current troubles, whatever they may finally turn out to be.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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