<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:44 PM Alvin Starr <<a href="mailto:alvin@netvel.net">alvin@netvel.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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just dropped its Free Software Foundation funding
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Now that Red
Hat is pretty well owned by IBM, wouldn't you like
to ask all those people, how far back in IBM's own
history of misdeeds; notwithstanding rumors,
innuendo and just plain gossip; the rest of us
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<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">I sure would.</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust</a></span><br>
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Stallman was outspoken about surveillance capitalisim
and WSL. Those are big cages to rattle with one tiny
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<div dir="auto">Just in case you don't think an NGO is
capable of such insider machinations. I highly
recommend the following book which has a pretty good
evaluation of how the powers that be; leveraged
trends, NGO (charity) connections and industry (read
IBM) influences which gave Bill Gates his silver
spoon running head start with MS DOS. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2760759-the-making-of-microsoft" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2760759-the-making-of-microsoft</a><br>
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<div dir="auto">Don't even get me started on WSL as an
organized plan to disrupt linux freedom.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Engage Encompass and Eradicate are
proven techniques of imperialism and capitalisim.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I think Red Hats "Woke Spoke" is Broke
on this one, but with all that IBM money behind
them, they will break this one guy out of the big
picture, just because they can.</div>
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<p>I may just be thick but I don't see what any of the
above has to do with Surveillance Capitalism.</p>
<p>Or at least my understanding of Surveillance Capitalism
that can be described by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism</a></p>
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<div dir="auto">Heres Richard Stallman on open source
surveillance capitalisim eight years ago. </div>
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<p>OK. But you did not reference anything like this in your
original posting.</p>
<p>You kind of came out of nowhere making statements that seemed to
have no relationship to your subject.<br>
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<p>And for the life of me I can't see what any of this has
to do with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Surf_League" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Surf_League</a>.</p>
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<div dir="auto">Heres an article on WSL - Windows Subsystem for
Linux but I understand your confusion. </div>
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<p>This is not an amazingly new idea.</p>
<p>Something like 25 years ago a group of us developed a way to run
Unix binaries on top of DOS.</p></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>It was not the end of Opensource software which was GCC and EMACS
at the time.</p>
<p>A chunk of the work we did ended up in the IBCS2 binary emulation
in Linux.</p>
<p>WSL is just a optimized VM engine.</p>
<p>Think of it as an integrated VirtualBox or VMWare.<br>
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<p>I am really not a fan of Microsoft as just about anybody who
knows me will attest to but I also don't see them as being run by
a Mike Myers Dr. Evil kind of character.</p></div></blockquote>Well that's not necessarily how they see you. I forked this threadfrom one which I perceived was a sort of side channel attack on Richard Stallman. <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><a href="https://www.idginsiderpro.com/article/3584911/how-microsoft-went-from-linux-is-a-cancer-to-microsoft-loves-linux.html">https://www.idginsiderpro.com/article/3584911/how-microsoft-went-from-linux-is-a-cancer-to-microsoft-loves-linux.html</a></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I changed the original subject because I was just trying to limit the list liabilities, in case of a libel suit. Not that Stallman would ever read Evans' post labeling him incel. But this was my reason for changing the subject after someone else simply dropped the libelous wording from the subject line.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Rational debate is one thing, ad hominem personal attacks are another. I thought I'd try to let Stallman speak for himself through the FUD, <br></div><br><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>Most of the "Windows weenies" I know will run screaming from WSL
and I expect that the primary uptake will be by Linux users who
are forced by corporate doctrine to use Windows as a platform.</p>
<p>It may be that in the long run WSL will actually erode the
dominance of Windows and MS.</p>
<p>That of course is my particular take and you are free to
disagree.<br></p></div></blockquote><div>The entire world is going "fee for service" so maybe cloud SaaS is the place for a convergence of this sort. <br></div><div><br></div><div>However I am mindful of the fact that in the highly competitive world we live in there is an attitude of "it's not just that I must succeed, my enemies must fail." That is the core of anti competitive practices and the tools are trial by media and not trial in the courts of competent jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd like to believe that I am a person who, if someone was drowning, even if it was in a state of social misfortune of their own causation; I would be one of the people reaching out from the lifeboat to help them aboard, instead of one pushing their head underneath the waves to drown in that sea of troubles.</div><div><br></div><div>In essence I was just trying to wash the soap someone else left on the box of FUD that Evan was standing on at the time he pushed Stallman's head under the waves.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<div dir="auto">I guess the entire thread is about protecting
the right to engage free speach and the cost to individuals
who go against the populist notions which are propigated by
powerful organizations and their associate influencers.</div>
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<div dir="auto">At least thats my take on these current events
as they relate to linux topicality.</div>
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