<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:03 PM Dhaval Giani <<a href="mailto:dhaval.giani@gmail.com">dhaval.giani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>><br>
>> Again, I say this again. RMS as a contributor, yes. RMS as a leader, no.<br>
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>> I am not going to step into your Godwin's law discussion<br>
>> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law</a> ). It is irrelevant to<br>
>> the issue at hand.<br>
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> That wasn't my discussion. I'm talking about Surveillance capitalism, which grows<br>
> more important to me day by day. I just think there is a lot of shooting the messenger<br>
> with RMS.<br>
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Then this thread should prove to you exactly why RMS cannot be your<br>
messenger. You could be 100% factual, but it is what the other side<br>
receives is of greater importance. Your cause is lost, when your<br>
messenger causes your message to be lost.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't see that at all. Firstly I have no cause, except to perhaps help my peers in marginalized spaces access and use computing to help to elevate themselves out of poverty. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I do have an interest in current events tho. What I see most recently is that RMS called out canonical for surveillance capitalism and bashed WSL for being a ploy to undermine free software. <br></div><div><br></div><div>That's not an easy thing to do or say, if it goes against the corporation. It looks to me like the wagons were circled, the torches were lit and the pitchforks were raised a few years after he did that. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Disinformation is misinformation squared repeated and squared again. Engage, encompass and eradicate aren't pithy statements; they are official US DOJ protocols, which place America's corporate interests first and the rights of individual people, warts and all, take a back seat to the corporate interests which sustain America's economy. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Often these ideals are driven by NGO's who are funded by both corporations, individuals and government donors. The trouble is they very soon start to believe their own hyperbole. Just look at the WE fiasco to see how well meaning people were sucked into that dark web of NGO malfeasance.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Propaganda is a subtitle craft, it works slowly and insidiously and often it is the innocents who carry the torch without really knowing why. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I've never met RMS I only know of him from reading about him over the years. Is his sexual personality any more odious than bill clintons or any other public prominent person people will talk about and actively try to dig up the dirt on. Muckraking journalism was profitable for the broadsheet industry. Twitter and Facebook and the entire interweb are the digital media replacements for those things, without even the hint of corporate social responsibility.<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">I mean vague references to mattresses in RMS's office with shirtless people on them, hardly seem damning. That's the problem with innuendo, it falls far short of the truth. <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">My issues with this thread are the fact that everyone feels free to trim what I actually say and restate it in their own words, as if that could change my opinion on the morality of the whole thing.</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">IMO it's very hard to take the moral high ground on flawed messaging, but people follow the trend and do it all the time, sometimes just to fit in with the crowd.</div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Russell<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>