<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 12:46 PM Lennart Sorensen <<a href="mailto:lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca">lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 11:36:39AM -0400, Russell Reiter via talk wrote:<br>
> I've made some progress and then lost it again. I had to take a high def<br>
> photo of the writing on the cable to read that the cable is rated 3.0 and<br>
> my mb is only rated 3.0 but the peripheral card is usb 3.1. I think this is<br>
> why the mb connection hangs the system on usb 3.0, but the peripheral 3.1<br>
> card does not. I'm not sure which iteration of usb provides "alternative"<br>
> bus capabilities, ie. video and up to 100w power.<br>
<br>
USB 3 naming is crazy. My understanding is:<br>
<br>
USB 3.0 = USB 3.1 Gen 1 = USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 = 5Gbps<br>
USB 3.1 Gen 2 = USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 = 10Gbps<br>
USB 3.2 Gen 1x2 = 10Gbps (requires USB-C)<br>
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 = 20Gbps (requires USB-C)<br>
<br>
So a USB 3.0 port is also a USB 3.1 Gen 1 and a USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 port.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks that is a pretty concise description of the state of things. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Confusing enough?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>How's this for confusion? I rebooted and plugged into the front Type-c, haven't changed anything, not the cabling, not the bios. No joy this time not even the repeated bind unbind messages I usually get, udevadm monitor saw nothing. </div><div><br></div><div>I then plugged into the Type-c on the PCI-e card directly. This time it recognized the nvme ntfs partition as sdb. I'm wondering if fuse handles something, maybe xhci mode alias which I could configure when I try to make this an LVM boot device again.</div><div><br></div><div>udevadm monitor<br>monitor will print the received events for:<br>UDEV - the event which udev sends out after rule processing<br>KERNEL - the kernel uevent<br><br>KERNEL[260.919357] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[260.924180] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[260.924256] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [260.930788] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[260.937756] add /module/usb_storage (module)<br>KERNEL[260.937802] add /bus/usb/drivers/usb-storage (drivers)<br>UDEV [260.938899] add /module/usb_storage (module)<br>UDEV [260.939153] add /bus/usb/drivers/usb-storage (drivers)<br>KERNEL[260.939622] add /module/uas (module)<br>UDEV [260.940087] add /module/uas (module)<br>KERNEL[260.952720] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[260.952737] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>KERNEL[260.952761] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[260.952769] add /bus/usb/drivers/uas (drivers)<br>UDEV [260.952937] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>UDEV [260.953535] add /bus/usb/drivers/uas (drivers)<br>UDEV [260.958014] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [260.959209] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>UDEV [260.960444] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>UDEV [260.962063] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[261.109528] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[261.109603] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[261.109660] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>KERNEL[261.109710] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>KERNEL[261.109988] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>KERNEL[261.110264] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>KERNEL[261.110529] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>KERNEL[261.110616] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>KERNEL[261.110657] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>UDEV [261.114727] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [261.115996] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [261.117061] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>UDEV [261.117176] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>UDEV [261.117415] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>UDEV [261.117783] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>UDEV [261.118234] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>UDEV [261.118252] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>UDEV [261.119110] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>KERNEL[261.598484] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[261.598778] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>UDEV [261.601091] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[262.080511] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.080731] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>KERNEL[262.081053] remove /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[262.081336] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>UDEV [262.082882] remove /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[262.090452] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.090533] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.098770] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.098833] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>KERNEL[262.098885] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.102166] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>KERNEL[262.122682] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.122804] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.125028] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.125150] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.316839] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.322321] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.335903] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.335963] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>KERNEL[262.336047] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.336144] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>KERNEL[262.337499] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.337581] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[262.337617] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>KERNEL[262.337762] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>KERNEL[262.337831] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>KERNEL[262.338067] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>UDEV [262.348853] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>UDEV [262.350127] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.350987] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>UDEV [262.351162] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>UDEV [262.351977] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.352640] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.353303] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.353927] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.354956] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.355861] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.357199] unbind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.358028] remove /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.362520] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.364693] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.365554] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.366534] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/scsi_host/host4 (scsi_host)<br>UDEV [262.367754] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.371241] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3 (usb)<br>UDEV [262.372229] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.373240] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [262.374355] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_device/4:0:0:0 (scsi_device)<br>UDEV [262.374472] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_disk/4:0:0:0 (scsi_disk)<br>UDEV [262.374811] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/bsg/4:0:0:0 (bsg)<br>UDEV [262.375001] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/scsi_generic/sg2 (scsi_generic)<br>KERNEL[264.555503] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[264.558020] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>KERNEL[264.558191] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb/sdb1 (block)<br>UDEV [264.558506] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:16 (bdi)<br>KERNEL[264.559989] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>UDEV [264.599352] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb (block)<br>UDEV [264.610724] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0/block/sdb/sdb1 (block)<br>UDEV [264.612238] bind /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:72:00.0/usb4/4-1/4-1.3/4-1.3:1.0/host4/target4:0:0/4:0:0:0 (scsi)<br>KERNEL[264.775809] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:17-fuseblk (bdi)<br>UDEV [264.776809] add /devices/virtual/bdi/8:17-fuseblk (bdi)<br>KERNEL[282.778342] add /devices/virtual/bdi/0:39 (bdi)<br>UDEV [282.791804] add /devices/virtual/bdi/0:39 (bdi)<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Gnome-disks now shows sdb1</div><div>Contents NTFS — Mounted at /run/media/R3eiter/Zomey512Gb</div></div><div><br></div><div>Now it is possible that the tolerances between the MB Type-c the PCI-e cards type-c and the front breakout Type-c are all slightly different and this is causing a SHINE single high-level impulse noise.</div><div><br></div><div>This last semi-sucess was a live hotplug. I'm going to reboot and see if it mounts on boot, but at this point I'm not holding my breath.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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As for power, USB-PD (power delivery) allows USB-C to provide 2A at 5V<br>
or up to 3A or 5A at 12V and 20V, for a maximum of 100W. They start<br>
at standard USB 5V, then negotiate what each end supports and if in<br>
agreement, switch the voltage and current.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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-- <br>
Len Sorensen<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Russell<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>