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On 8/27/20 9:44 AM, Mauro Souza via talk wrote:<br>
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<div>If you have a VPS, or a co-located server, or something
like that, and unlimited bandwidth, SIA and Storj are good to
pass some time. The economics aren't on the side of the
storage owners, but on the storage renters. It's so cheap that
you can rent a terabyte on both networks, and use it for
double backups. I stored maybe 200GB of data for a year, and
maybe made 10 cents. Maybe less. And as an earlier adopter, I
earned some hundreds of GB for free that I never used.<br>
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The problem was not so much that it was using up my 25MB that I am
running at home but that it was hogging ALL my bandwidth causing
congestion problems.<br>
I could likely do something with traffic shaping but I was not all
that invested in the project to try to see how to make it workable.<br>
The long term problem is that if I am subjecting my system to the
extra traffic and not getting enough to justify the extra wear and
tear on my disks then why will I put the storage out there.<br>
If the economics don't work in the long run for the storage
providers then those providers will exit the application.<br>
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If I remember correctly a number of years ago HP had a storage
service that was hosting LOTS of data for people.<br>
They decided the economics were not in their favor and shut it down
causing huge inconvenience and problems for the customer base.<br>
What do you do when you have a huge data-set with a storage provider
that will take months to move and get told they are closing down
before you can extract all your data?<br>
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When Storj/sia take their 30% off the top and then distribute the
rest to the 3 to 5 storage hosters your looking at a vanishingly
small return on your effort.<br>
Combine this with network latency related penalties and the home
user with a few TB of space to share will not be interested sharing
the space.<br>
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It has been a while since I looked but I never found any business
cases for storage providers.<br>
I don't expect to become the next Jeff Bezos by selling my storage
space but I do want to know that I will cover my costs and make a
bit.<br>
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<div>I once was toying with this idea of providing low price
backup solution to small businesses, storing data on Storj and
SIA at the same time. Both networks aren't still "production
ready", so I would store on both at the same time, and keep
watching if the files are still available periodically. You
only need enough storage to store all the metadata (client id,
file name, size, the hash of it on the network, etc) on your
database. So you could store a petabyte of data while having a
couple GB on your server. The agent would upload directly to
the networks and send you only the data you need to restore
the file later. It can work, storage is not the difficult
part, and the "what changed since last backup?" question is
the main issue.<br>
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Since the various services are object stores then why not just store
eachfile as an objects and then keep track of the objects that
change.<br>
It would be no better/worse than a regular filesystem backup like
dump.<br>
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às 08:37, Alvin Starr via talk <<a
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<div>As for Siacoin and Storj I found that they used 100% of
my available internet bandwidth without using any storage.<br>
Luckily for me I opted for "unlimited bandwidth" but not
so lucky for Teksavvy.<br>
So doing something like sharing your few free TB could
cost you big time if you were a Bell or Rogers customer.<br>
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I have access to large amounts of excess storage but I
have yet to be convinced that I could even pay for the
power that it takes to spin the drives.<br>
The concept is great but the economics does not seem to be
there yet.<br>
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