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<div dir="auto">I would hope, for billing and service inquiries,
they would have all the personal information I provided to
them. I wouldn't give my SIN to a phone provider tho. I don't
ever remember giving it out to get a landline or cable service
and the agents I use now never have asked me for a SIN in
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Really??<br>
Telus runs a business providing practice management services to
medical professionals including managing health data.<br>
Would you like your phone provider to have access to all your
personal data?<br>
That could include your medical records?<br>
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"Yes sir. To verify your identity could you tell us the results from
your last prostate exam?"<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Me being who I am, if an employee of a telecommunications provider asked me that in order for me to buy into a service contract, I might just turn around and drop my pants in the office and say check for yourself.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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You may not have have provided your SIN as part of a credit
application 30 years ago and in that case you are a much wiser
person than I<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well I think I did provide my SIN to my Bank when I first applied for an account and since I'm not one to abuse credit or take on excessive debt, I get along without having to disclose much more than the minimum necessary </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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The carrier should have an obligation of
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That is true and this was something like 30 years ago I
was much more naive then.<br>
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The environment has changed in the intervening time.<br>
When I was a child access to personal information was
controlled by physical access to paper and security was
a matter of locks and keys.<br>
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For example I later this morning will need to start
looking at what of my information LifeLabs has leaked.</div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">As you say
times have changed. I only recently found out, in the recent
past, that they don't even issue replacement SIN cards
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That's an interesting tidbit.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yea I lost my original card, had one replacement which was held together with scotch tape for ten out of 30 years and it finally fell apart. <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://settlement.org/ontario/employment/social-insurance-number/your-social-insurance-number-sin/what-do-i-do-if-my-sin-is-lost-or-stolen/">https://settlement.org/ontario/employment/social-insurance-number/your-social-insurance-number-sin/what-do-i-do-if-my-sin-is-lost-or-stolen/</a><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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</pre></div></blockquote></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Russell<br></div></div></div></div></div></div>