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    I think we should all learn to speak Mandarin<br>
    /gary<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19-02-23 09:23 AM, Don Tai wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAKF=Av30jgBumzxQvWiwR-jRGPLjyXKZXs+TfVzyzkty3Ew+1w@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">The average Chinese dev will make about $10k CAD.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 08:45,
          Gary via talk <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Here's
          an interesting article from the U.S. census bureau, which
          likely <br>
          applies to Canada as well:<br>
          <br>
          "The U.S. Census Bureau reported today that 74 percent of
          those who have <br>
          a bachelor's degree in science, technology, engineering and
          math — <br>
          commonly referred to as STEM — are not employed in STEM
          occupations."<br>
          <br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-130.html"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-130.html</a><br>
          <br>
          This is not surprising because according to <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://payscale.com"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">payscale.com</a> the
          average <br>
          Indian programmer makes just $8,300 cdn for the entire year. 
          IBM now <br>
          has more employees in India than it does in America.<br>
          <br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html</a><br>
          <br>
          Industry is making a concerted effort to perpetuate the skills
          shortage <br>
          myth so that they can beguile politicians and persuade them to
          open the <br>
          floodgates of immigration. This has the effect of saturating
          the market <br>
          and lowering wages.<br>
          <br>
          And they have succeeded:<br>
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/5f88d602/Toronto-ON"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary/5f88d602/Toronto-ON</a><br>
          Note that a letter carrier makes more money.<br>
          <br>
          /gary<br>
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          On 19-02-22 07:03 PM, nick via talk wrote:<br>
          > Greetings All,<br>
          ><br>
          > I don't know if someone would be willing to give some
          advice on finding Co-op.<br>
          > For the last two semesters including semester I've been
          looking and found very<br>
          > little for my skills. Don't know what's up as literally
          getting in contact with<br>
          > folks at AMD got me contacts. Maybe someone has
          experience with the CO-OP program<br>
          > either hiring or otherwise.<br>
          ><br>
          > If someone wants a resume that's fine I would prefer to
          send it directly rather<br>
          > than to a public list through,<br>
          ><br>
          > Nic<br>
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