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<p>That assumes that the users are reading the messages and are
interested in taking action to get themselves removed.<br>
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Which is why you want a tag in the message that you can use to track
back.<br>
That and logs of all your subscribe an unsubscribe actions.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/25/2018 10:08 AM, Evan Leibovitch
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">The
dangers of doing this wrong now go beyond RBLs in the era of
CASL and GDPR. Organizations are being fined.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">One thing
that is now part of best practices (ours at least) is to have
as the very first paragraph of all mailings, a "You are
receiving this because [...]" statement along with references
to the list management and unsubscribe links below.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 09:56, Alvin Starr via
talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It was over
a year ago and I believe that it was a case of someone who <br>
could not follow the unsubscribe message at the bottom or did
not read <br>
that far and pushed the message to one of the RBL providers.<br>
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Another hint is to stick something in the mail message that
will not get <br>
scrubbed by anonamizers if someone does post to an RBL.<br>
At least you can then find the offending client and remove
them.<br>
Its a pain to have someone on your list that is pushing your
messages to <br>
RBLs and not be able to remove them because the information
you got from <br>
the RBL has all the usual tracking information removed.<br>
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On 07/25/2018 09:48 AM, ac via talk wrote:<br>
> Hi Alvin,<br>
><br>
> long time :)<br>
><br>
> Have you been black listed by an RBL for a mailing list
sending<br>
> verification emails?<br>
><br>
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 09:26:04 -0400<br>
> Alvin Starr via talk <<a href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">talk@gtalug.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Another thing is to make sure you have a valid email
address by<br>
>> sending an activation message.<br>
>> Lots of people will provide bogus addresses either
deliberately or<br>
>> accidentally.<br>
>> You also need to monitor your outgoing email or track
the bounce<br>
>> backs for email addresses that go away.<br>
>><br>
>> One of the problems you will face is that
conventional wisdom is that<br>
>> responding to an un-subscribe button is just a way
that the spammers<br>
>> validate your email address.<br>
>> Also People will just tag the messages as spam
causing you to get<br>
>> black-listed.<br>
>><br>
>> Every few years I get blacklisted because I have
someone running a<br>
>> small mail-list related to a Knitting e-commerce web
site.<br>
>> The site admin is a good friend and I know they are
very careful<br>
>> about the mail addresses in the list but bad emails
still leak in.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 07/25/2018 02:06 AM, ac via talk wrote:<br>
>>> Hi Evan,<br>
>>><br>
>>> The quick answer is that there is no agreement on
best practise for<br>
>>> unsub messages, the amount of verification (and
time span of) and a<br>
>>> number of other abuse related issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Here is what I personally (wrongly or correctly)
do:<br>
>>> Subscription (Opt in message / Confirm email
message - 1 per day max<br>
>>> three days)<br>
>>> Unsubscribe - no message - just unsubscribe<br>
>>><br>
>>> never send any email from noreply@ I am not
Google or Microsoft<br>
>>> (and even the dentist around the corner is now
doing that *sigh*)<br>
>>><br>
>>> When subscriber does anything on a link (Web) -
send a confirm your<br>
>>> request email<br>
>>><br>
>>> hth<br>
>>><br>
>>> Andre<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:30:58 -0400<br>
>>> Evan Leibovitch via talk <<a
href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">talk@gtalug.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Hi all.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This question is asked of anyone who
administers a mailing list<br>
>>>> about policies. I'm setting up a
campaign-based mailing system<br>
>>>> using phplist (as opposed to a forum-type MLM
such as Mailman) and<br>
>>>> I'm interested to know what policies or best
practices you might<br>
>>>> have in place to address this specific
question:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> When a list subscriber goes to a link to
change their preferences<br>
>>>> or unsubscribe, from what email address does
the confirmation (for<br>
>>>> changes) or "sorry to see you go" message
(for unsubscriptions)<br>
>>>> originate.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Does such administrative email come from:<br>
>>>> a) an identifiable member or the
organization's staff?<br>
>>>> b) a postmaster-type alias?<br>
>>>> c) a do-not-reply address?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Any feedback is appreciated.<br>
>>>> <br>
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Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133
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