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<A title=talk@gtalug.org href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">o1bigtenor via talk</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hugh@mimosa.com
href="mailto:hugh@mimosa.com">D. Hugh Redelmeier</A> ; <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [GTALUG] Programming
languages (in comparison?) - -was Learn Swift for Apple/iOS. Learn ??? for
Google/Android.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier
via talk <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org"
target=_blank>talk@gtalug.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>| From: o1bigtenor via talk <<A
href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</A>><BR><SPAN><BR>| On Sun,
Dec 10, 2017 at 12:06 AM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk <<BR>| <A
href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org">talk@gtalug.org</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN><snip></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I have a contact [contract?] that doesn't allow any javascript - - - I'm
starting to <BR></DIV>
<DIV>wonder if that might be quite preferable to the bs that the web is
becoming. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>+1 !!!</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>A couple of years ago, I
developed a simple PHP web app that registers members of a club in an SQL
database (first using MySQL, then switched to PosgreSQL but now planning
to switch to BerkeleyDB for "zero admin" simplicity.), </FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This simple PHP web app enables
visitors to join the club, manage their club subscription and also serves
club members premiunm content. (The PHP app is fully tested but not yet
online.) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>here are a few static
pages for the same website already demoed online at <A
href="http://aspetrie.net/">http://aspetrie.net/</A> But the PHP app is
not online yet.And the website is not yet operating under its eventual domain
name. And be advised that there has been no tuning done at all for the web
page demo site.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I've always been an engineer
with a <U>ferocious focus on resource efficiency</U>. Being a frugal SOB,
retired and with few time pressures, I still use a plain old
twisted-copper-pair landline telephone dialup modem connection for my Internet
access (usually connnects at around 46 Kbps (that's K bits per second).
There's always <U>something else useful I can do</U>, while waiting
for bloated web pages that take a long time to load.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>When I designed the
website and PHP app, I set a <U>10-second maximum page load time target for
users on slow landline dialup connection</U>s. </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial>Same deal for static pages as for dynamic pages served by the PHP
app.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The technology that
this website promotes is a highly democratic solution to expressway
traffic congestion, a solution that treats all drivers, rich and poor, with
exactly the same priority and respect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So the website also has to
convey the same overriding ethic -- all visitors are welcome, and their time
is equally valuable, so even the Internet user who can <U>barely afford any
Internet connection at all</U>, should get pages displayed with maximum
10-second response time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>No way was I ever going to buy
in to <U>all that Javascript BS</U>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It makes <U>absoutely no sense
to me</U> that a web app would <U>presumptuously load the same Javascript crud
again and again</U>, into every single instance of web browser visitng my
website. Wasting bandwidth. Wasting time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So, I decided that <U>the web
browser using my website and PHP app, is just going to be a plain HTML2 "dumb
terminal"</U>. The webaite and PHP app should work with the lowest common
denominator among web browsers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Simplicity rocks
<STRONG>!!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><STRONG><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT></STRONG><FONT
size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Steve</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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