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<tt>Thinking more about it I am not sure that there is a conflict
there.</tt><tt><br>
<br>
</tt><tt>If I use Apache to run my web site I am still within the
ideals GPL.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>My PHP application does not need to be GPL and if I write a
special module for Apache that does not need to be GPL.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>If I try to make money off selling Apache with my module or
PHP then I run afoul of the intent of the GPL.</tt><tt><br>
<br>
</tt><tt>Your comparison of Office/OOffice/Gdocs is interesting but
you could just as easily substitute Gdocs for
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.theweathernetwork.com">www.theweathernetwork.com</a> or Linkedin.</tt><tt><br>
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The question should be: Are you locked into a proprietary data
format?</tt><tt><br>
<br>
</tt><tt>The real issue is; can I take my data with some application
and can I move it to some other application?<br>
And that has little to do with any of the copyleft schemes.<br>
<br>
Copyleft does not solve all problems but it has solved enough so
that the industry is dramatically different than it was 30 years
ago and it appears that there will be no going back soon.<br>
<br>
Once upon a time I developed a bunch of IBCS software for a
project I was working on but the project was going nowhere so I
released it to some Linux kernel folks with the request that I get
"some credit".<br>
If I had released it under some form of copyleft I would have
likely gotten the attribution that I wanted but all I got was a
lesson in trusting people.<br>
<br>
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<tt>I am also not sure that this is a religious fight.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>Religious fights usually involve people killing each other.<br>
I often say there are only 2 true evils in the world: Politics and
Religion.<br>
Its the reason we kill each other en-mass.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/13/2017 11:56 AM, Evan Leibovitch
via talk wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 July 2017 at 11:27, Lennart
Sorensen <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca</a>></span>
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Can developers<br>
> incorporate GPL software while wholly circumventing
the FSF's social goals?<br>
> This paradigm needs to be addressed but IMO has
been largely ignored for an<br>
> assortment of reasons.<br>
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</span>I believe the answer is that yes they can. This
appears to be why the<br>
AGPL license exists as per this:<br>
<a
href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.en.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.gnu.org/licenses/<wbr>why-affero-gpl.en.html</a></blockquote>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">It
exists, <a
href="https://www.blackducksoftware.com/top-open-source-licenses"
moz-do-not-send="true">but barely</a>, to the point of
irrelevance. And even the description of the license
admits that it doesn't really solve the open/closed issues
inherent in SaaS.</div>
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my point stands that this is an important facet of
software freedom that has been lost amidst the dogmatism
of "free software" versus "open source".</div>
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