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<p>Hmmmm.</p>
<p>True cloud services are an interesting quirk.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/13/2017 10:26 AM, Evan Leibovitch
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">After
decades with no apparent change in arguments or hope for
resolution, I find the whole debate elitist and
entertainingly stagnant. Reminds me of <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0QpPNcT-J4"
moz-do-not-send="true">candy</a> <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0"
moz-do-not-send="true">advertisements</a>.</div>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">As
is common in religious debates, the two sides tend to come
from different mindsets and don't even get what the other is
saying. I find the two approaches complementary rather than in
opposition.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Want
to do it for the improvement of society? Great.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Want
to do it to improve efficiency, reduce bugs and involve a
broader talent pool? Also great.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Just
do it. By and large the paths are the same.<br>
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What has more-recently astounded me about the binary nature of
the debate is that it has ignored a third aspect that
challenges the other two -- cloud-based software. The GPL does
not require you to release your modified source if you don't
redistribute your code at all. A cloud service thus can use
software under even the most "viral" licenses without worry
because the result is only actually executed on computers
wholly under its control.<br>
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While people still argue about closed MS-Word versus open
LibreOffice, they ignore Google Docs -- Is that open or
closed? Can its developers incorporate GPL software while
wholly circumventing the FSF's social goals? This paradigm
needs to be addressed but IMO has been largely ignored for an
assortment of reasons.</div>
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Evan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 July 2017 at 09:37, Lennart
Sorensen via talk <span dir="ltr"><<a
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class="">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 05:44:51AM +0200, ac via
talk wrote:<br>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT)<br>
> "D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk" <<a
href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org" moz-do-not-send="true">talk@gtalug.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</span><span class="">> > I found this article
interesting and useful<br>
> > <<a
href="https://opensource.com/business/16/11/open-source-not-free-software"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://opensource.com/<wbr>business/16/11/open-source-<wbr>not-free-software</a>><br>
> > This guy disagrees:<br>
> > <<a
href="https://meshedinsights.com/2017/06/07/free-vs-open/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://meshedinsights.com/<wbr>2017/06/07/free-vs-open/</a>><br>
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</span><span class="">> imho, it is semantics / point of
view..<br>
><br>
> my own pov (ymmv): Truly free and truly open is
everything BSD licensed<br>
> (including my own BSD released
code/projects/software) my GPL etc<br>
> licensed software is open, and free if you are only a
user, but not so<br>
> much free if you are a dev, etc. :)<br>
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</span>The goal of GPL is the freedom of the source code,
and hence the freedom<br>
of future users of the source code. It is not the freedom
of someone<br>
to decide to deny others the same freedom, unlike the BSD
license where<br>
the receiver is the one that is most free to do what they
want. So yes<br>
the GPL gives each user less freedom in the interest of
giving all users<br>
that same level of freedom in using the code.<br>
<br>
Different goal.<br>
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Len Sorensen<br>
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