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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Warm Greetings To GTALUG,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Please forgive the long email. -- have to provide
some background.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>BACKGROUND -- BUILDING
DEBIAN 8 PC TO REPLACE WIN XP PC</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm working to replace an old Dell Windows XP SP3
PC with a new PC, booting Debian Linux 8 as the primary OS, with Win 7 set up to
run under QEMU / KVM vbirtualization under Debian. A multi-boot setup will
allow booting Windows 7 (OEM) on bare metal, if required for occasional
use. I definitely am NOT going to use MS Windows as the primary OS in my
new desktop PC <STRONG>!!</STRONG></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have almost no Linux / Unix experience. Some
years ago doing application programming on IBM AIX / Korn shell and now for
personal and business uses, getting into Debian Linux (and DragonFlyBSD) on
cloud-hosted QEMU / KVM virtualization servers. However I do have a
strong IT background. (I'm a "retired" software engineer).</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On 7 January 2016 I sent an inquiry email
to </FONT><A href="mailto:hi@gtalug.org"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>hi@gtalug.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial> and Myles
Braithwaite responded instantly with helpfull suggestions for which I was
very grateful. Myles also encouraged to join the </FONT><A
href="mailto:talk@gtalug.org"><FONT size=2
face=Arial>talk@gtalug.org</FONT></A><FONT size=2 face=Arial> mailing list
and so now here I am.</FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm looking for advice from GTALUG members on two
issues:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>1.</STRONG> Comments on my proposed PC
configuration. I have already researched components and developed a
detailed hardware configuration for the new PC. Please see below. This
configuration is not yet published on ca.partpicker.com.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>2.</STRONG> Advice on how to get the PC
built from components, that I will purchase retail and supply to the builder.
Here, one option I propose is for a "creative" solution from GTALUG (see point
3, next section).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>HOW TO BUILD THE NEW DEBIAN 8
PC ?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It seems to me that there are three approaches I
could take, to get this new PC built:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>1. BUILD IT MYSELF.</STRONG> I can handle
purchasing all the components. However, although I am comfortable messing around
inside the case of a computer, I've never build one from components. I
would prefer to have the PC assembled by more experienced hands that
have the skills and use of the right tools. So building myself is a last
resort.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>2. USE A COMMERCIAL PC SYSTEM
BUILDER.</STRONG> Any suggestions from mailing list participants, on commercial
PC builders would be gratefully received. However, I do not want to have to deal
with import hassles, so the builder must be operating in Canada.(preferably in
the GTA)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Problem: It seems it will be difficult to
interest commercial PC bulders in Canada to supply a competitively-priced
PC configured with Linux. So if I use a commercial builder, the plan would
be to get the PC built and delivered with with Windows 7 only
installed, but have a multi-boot setup. After I get the PC I
will install Debian 8 Linux as the primary host operating system, and then
install Win 7 to run under QEMU / KVM virtualization under
Debian.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>3. *** CREATIVE IDEA FOR GTALUG
***</STRONG> Perhaps there is a member (or members) of GTALUG who would be
able to build the PC from comnponents I supply. Naturally I would be happy
to pay a fee for this service Or (and this would be my preference) perhaps
GTALUG would be interested in taking on the buuild project as a club project. I
expect I would be much more happy to pay money to GTALUG for helping with
the build, and to get the pleasure of working with GTALUG, than I would be
paying and dealing with a commercial builder. Since I live in Oakville in a
small apartment, it would make more sense for the build to happen in
Toronto.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>From my casual research, there are many Win XP
"orphans" like me out there. Not only older-type people stuck on Win XP
and wondering what to do before their old PC dies. But also there are plenty of
small businesses still running XP (in fact there are probably more small
business XP users left, than consumer XP users).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You could consider me in a sense, a "poster
senior" for a class of people, among whom some could possibly go the Linux
route as they migrate away from Win XP. If only these poster seniors (or small
business Win XP "orphans") had a helping hand from e.g. GTALUG. For example,
run a kind of GTALUG "clinic" that Win XP "orphans" could come to (for a
fee) and there work with GTALUG members to get their Linux PC built. And
later get their data (e.g. emails) converted over to e.g.
Thunderbird.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Just a thought, for a way that GTALUG could
get more involved with the wider community. And perhaps also pull in
some club revenue to support GTALUG initiatives. </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial>Perhsps this is an idea the GTALUG Board could consider. I am
happy to discuss the idea of being the "guinea pig" for such a
project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><STRONG>PROPOSED PC
CONFIGURATION</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thsi is decidedly NOT a gamer's PC. It is intended
to be an ultra-reliable, powerful, fast professional / small business
workstation . There is no overclocking. There are no add-in graphics cards. It
uses established CPU technology now being price-discounted because of the
introduction of new CPU technology.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=1 face="Courier New"><FONT size=2
face=CourierNewPS-BoldMT><FONT color=#0000ff size=1 face="Courier New">
<P
align=left><STRONG>-----------------<BR>-----------------<BR>CPU
Intel 4-Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Processor, 64-bit, 6 MB cache, max 32 GB RAM, HD
graphics;<BR>CPU Cooler Noctua
NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler, height w/fan 158mm, clears RAM & PCIe, PWM
control;<BR>Motherboard ASRock Z97
EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Mainboard, PCIe: 2x 3.0x16, 1x 2.0x16, 2x 2.0x1, 1x
mini,<BR>
Ultra M.2 Gen3 8Gb/s x4 (uses 4x PCIe 3.0 CPU socket lanes), extra large heat
sinks;<BR>Memory
Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 RAM, 1.35 volt,
timings
8-8-8-24;<BR>-----------------<BR>Case
Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case, 3-speed fan control (max
3
fans),<BR>
bays: fan 9, drive: 2x5.25", 8x3.5", 2xSSD, CPU cooler height max 180mm, 2
dust filters;<BR>Power Supply EVGA
SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power
Supply;<BR>-----------------<BR>Solid State Drive Samsung SM951 128GB
M.2-2280 Solid State Drive, AHCI PCIe Gen3 8Gb/s x4, 256 MB
cache,<BR>
P/N MZHPV128HDGM;<BR>Hard
Drive Western Digital Caviar
Blue Internal Hard Drive 750GB 3.5" 7200RPM 6Gb/s SATA 64MB cache;<BR>Optical
Drive LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer, SATA,
2/3/4 layers (128GB), 4MB data buffer;<BR>-----------------<BR>Video
Monitor LG 22MB35DM-I 21.5" Monitor Full HD
1080p 1920x1080 IPS LED Back-lit, DVI-D,
D-Sub,<BR>
contrast ratios: (static 1,000:1), (dynamic 5M:1), reader mode,
flicker-safe;<BR>Keyboard
Dell SK-8110 PS/2 Keyboard, PS/2 Interface, Black, DP/N 07N242, 104
keys,<BR>
cable with purple 6 pin mini-DIN male (PS/2 STYLE)
connector;<BR>Mouse
Logitech SBF-96 PS/2 Wired Optical Mouse, 3 Buttons,
wheel,<BR>
cable with green 6 pin mini-DIN male (PS/2 STYLE)
connector;<BR>-----------------<BR>Dialup
Modem US Robotics USR5638 56K* V.92,
internal dial-up faxmodem
card,<BR>
(PCIe) PCI Express
x1;<BR>-----------------<BR>-----------------<BR>Multi-Boot<BR> Main
Host OS O/S Debian 8 LXDE Linux -- x86_64 (QEMU /
KVM host o/s to Win7 x86_64 guest
o/s);<BR>
ISO on DVD (standard Debian installation ISO **NOT LIVE installation
ISO**);<BR> Guest
OS Microsoft
Windows 7 Professional Full, 32/64-bit, from ISO on DVD (guest o/s of
Deb8);<BR>Emergency OS Microsoft Windows 7
Professional Full, 32/64-bit, ISO on DVD (emergency
multi-boot);<BR>-----------------<BR>-----------------<BR>Cables
@@@???<BR>Power Bar
@@@???<BR>-----------------<BR>-----------------</STRONG></P></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The same configuratiton is attached as a PDF
<<FONT color=#0000ff>ca.pcpartpicker.com --
deb8_win7_dual-boot_PC_business_24_7_duty - summary_bare - Steve_Petrie -
20160313.pdf</FONT>>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For simplicity, I have omitted mention of: a SCSI
controller, and a SCSI tape drive, and speakers. All of which I will acquire
later, after the base PC is working.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Many thanks to list members for taking the time to
consider my email. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Comments, questions welcome: <STRONG>1.</STRONG> On
the proposed PC configuration, <STRONG>2.</STRONG> On the idea of GTALUG helping
with the build project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Best Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Steve</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>* * *</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Steve Petrie, P.Eng.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>ITS-ETO Consortium<BR>Oakville, Ontario,
Canada<BR>(905) 847-3253<BR></FONT><A href="mailto:apetrie@aspetrie.net"><FONT
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