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On 06/12/2016 02:23 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ac@main.me">ac@main.me</a> wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:24:43 -0400
CLIFFORD ILKAY <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com"><clifford_ilkay@dinamis.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">This is obviously a problem for non-technical users. They simply do
not understand any of this and it all becomes too complicated for
them. Most users do not know how to add anything to their address
book or create message filters/rules and they think the list server
is broken and should be "fixed" when in fact, it's their email
provider.
I never see these issues with subscribers who have Gmail accounts, by
the way.
Email is dying a slow death. The alternatives, like Twitter direct
messaging, Slack (ugh!), WhatsApp (double ugh!), and various instant
messaging schemes are worse. Those will eventually be polluted by
spammers, too.
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<pre wrap="">Would like to start my reply by saying that I received my first spam in
1987, from CompuServ and that imnsho email will never die, it is too
well suited to human nature.
These days, I am trying all sorts of new ways of trapping new spam bots
and figuring out how to get more spam, more data, more bots.
Huge multi nationals like Google etc do not share their data
To understand the small spam problem in 2016, one has to
understand the differences in modern email.
Mass email providers like @gmail.com @yahoo.com @hotmail.com are
hard/difficult to block - and they know that - so some of them, like
yahoo.com for example, does not spend as much money as say google.com
does - to fight abuse.
If @dinamis.com would dare to send spam - @dinamis.com would simply end
up in a rbl
Our rbl's commonly block at least 100 yahoo servers for each single
google.com server and the blocks last anything from an hour to weeks,
depending if they stop their spam
Interestingly, if Google is blocked for spam they bounce back to their
user with : technical error at the receiver - this is kinda evil as it
implies that their is a problem at the receiving server, when Google
full well knows that their is an admin restriction due to Google being
abusive...
branding I guess, users have to be kept as mushrooms for as long as
possible so that the large guys can dominate and take over the world :)
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All you need to end up on an RBL is one hacked user.<br>
Been there. Cleaned up after that.<br>
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If you have a few tens to hundreds of million of clients(like the
big guys) you will have lots who are compromised and now sources of
spam.<br>
Its amazing the the big guys don't have all their mail servers
blocked all the time.<br>
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Your right that its annoying that the big guys seem to get by
without paying attention to the rest of us.<br>
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As an aside some times I get the feeling RBLs are getting close to
being extortionist in their tactics.<br>
I have had clients with mail servers that get black listed and they
find themselves having to pay to get off some of the RBL's.<br>
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Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133
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