<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On 1 April 2016 at 03:39, D. Hugh Redelmeier </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:hugh@mimosa.com" target="_blank">hugh@mimosa.com</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
If you really want linux on Windows, I would guess virtualbox or the<br>
like would do a better job.<br>
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If you want command-line tools to muck within the Windows environment,<br>
cygwin probably does the job as well.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">Why would you assume these things, not having actually compared them?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">If the new facility allows native execution of Ubuntu binaries, wouldn't a cross-platform developer prefer having exactly the same shell? Is cygwin 100% in feature sync with bash?</div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">While I can think of many reasons why to continue to prefer Linux as the underlying OS unless absolutely necessary, IMO this move is significant for anyone who has to frequently work in both worlds.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">It also confirms the altogether reasonable joint admissions by Microsoft and Canonical that:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><ul><li>The FOSS desktop as we know it (X, GNOME/KDE/XFCE etc) is as mainstream now as it will ever be, meaning "not much" (though semi-FOSS mutations such as MacOS, Android and ChromeOS have certainly done well for themselves)<br><br></li><li>Microsoft is a non-player in running the cloud, and if Windows wants to stay relevant it must play friendly with the OS that is dominant in that space at a level it has never done before.</li></ul></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">It's reasonable to disagree with these premises, many FOSS enthusiasts certainly will. But I think they're valid. This move is part of a realization that the desktop is on the decline and will eventually devolve into niches for administration, development, and creation. It's an attempt to keep it relevant in the first two areas (IMO it has ceded the third to Apple).</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">I see how Windows10 snoops on its users and I dislike Metro as a desktop interface -- so I could never use it as a daily platform, I'm not ditching my Mint desktop so long as the hardware allows it. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">PS: Windows' not running X is IMO a feature, not a bug. For decades, X has been an impediment to mainstream adoption, and is always many steps behind the state of the tech in proprietary display systems. To this day this means that I can have hardware graphics acceleration under Windows but not Linux -- a significant degradation, until some future kernel or X supports it (maybe). That lag is not compelling enough to lead to a switch away from Linux, but let's not delude ourselves that the choice of a FOSS desktop is not without sacrifice.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif"><br></div></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Evan Leibovitch</div><div style="text-align:left">Geneva, CH</div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Em: evan at telly dot org</div></div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Sk: evanleibovitch</div></div><div style="text-align:center"><div style="text-align:left">Tw: el56</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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