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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/08/2016 03:38 PM, Dave Cramer
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<div>At the bottom end you can use virsh/libvirt and
virt-manager to handle a small to medium number of
VM's over a number of host machines.<br>
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<div>Ya I was aware of this, works fine for a "couple" <br>
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Well I run 4 host systems with with about 20 defined VMs but I
usually only have 5-10 running at any given time.<br>
It works ok and is just there out of the box with no worries about
configuration.<br>
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There is also complete distributions like Proxmox that
can manage VM's<br>
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There are several cloud frameworks that will allow you
to build out to large size.<br>
I have worked with a number of the OpenStack toolkits
and you can get reasonable simple installation using
RDO Packstack.<br>
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The upside of cloud frameworks over libvirt or proxmox
is that you have better isolation between VMs if that
is important to you.<br>
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The biggest problem is that there is SO much choice
and all the products have a lot of capability overlap.<br>
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<div>Hence the question </div>
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Are these 50VMs going to be running at the same time
or will it be something like 50 test images and only 1
or 2 running at one time?<br>
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<div>not all on the same host obviously</div>
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I have a client who has a couple of 768GB of ram systems so 50VMs on
a box that big would be doable.<br>
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<div> How may host machines to you expect to have?<br>
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<div>as required by the VM's </div>
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Do you plan to have a separate system to manage and
co-ordinate the VMs?</div>
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<div>I gather this is a good idea?</div>
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Take a look at RDO packstack. You can start with the --allinone
install to play and get a feel for how OpenStack works.<br>
Another solution that I forgot to mention is Mirantis.<br>
They have an excellent product that installs and manages OpenStack.<br>
They are primarily trying to sell their services but they are based
on opensource so you can get a reduced less friendly version from
the net.<br>
To their credit if you have a rack full of servers and a Mirantis
image you can have a working cloud the same day.<br>
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If you feel like giving Packstack a try find me off the list and I
can talk you through getting started.<br>
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I searched out the following for a client a couple of years ago and
I am sure it will put you to sleep tracking them all down and
searching.<strong></strong><br>
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<a href="http://www.abiquo.com/" target="_blank">Abiquo</a></strong><br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"> Supporting VMware ESX, ESXi,
Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer / Xen, Virtual Box and
KVM, Abiquo supports all the common virtualization engines.
Designed for multi-tenancy and available in both a free
community edition and an enterprise edition with different
features.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.3tera.com/" target="_blank">CA 3Tera
AppLogic</a></strong><br>
Commercial platform from 3Tera based on Xen, designed for
commodity hardware without the need for a SAN due to its
integrated distributed storage solution. Web interface, API
and resource metering is included in the AppLogic turnkey
solution.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.cloud.com/" target="_blank">Cloud.com
CloudStack</a></strong><br>
Designed for multi-tenant solutions with support for
Xenserver, VM and VMware vSphere. Cloud.com’s CloudStack
supports billing/metering, web interface, APIs based on
existing standards and virtual networking with segmentation of
network traffic into VLANs.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.convirture.com/" target="_blank">Convirture
ConVirt</a></strong><br>
Available in an open source and commercial version, both with
support for thin provisioning, template library, live
migration while only the commercial version support high
availability, backup functionality, VLAN integration and
resource limiting.<br>
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<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.elasticstack.com/" target="_blank">ElasticStack</a></strong><br>
The ElasticStack platform is offered by cloud provider
ElasticHosts, designed specially for service providers with
billing, web administration and API. Removes the need for a
SAN, but utilizing storage on the local hypervisor nodes.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.enomally.com/" target="_blank">Enomaly
Elastic Computing Platform (ECP)</a></strong><br>
Designed for service providers with automation in mind, with
the ability to integrate with existing billing systems via
Enomalys API. Includes self-service web interface and support
for the most common hypervisors, as well as a special feature
that enables Enomaly providers to sell spare capacity via
their SpotCloud platform.<br>
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<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.eucalyptus.com/" target="_blank">Eucalyptus</a></strong><br>
Eucalyptus is an open source cloud platform, available with
commercial support, that was originally started as a
university project but since commercialized. Designed to be
hypervisor agnostic and compatible with the widely used EC2
API.<br>
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<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.extility.com/" target="_blank">Flexiant
Extility</a></strong><br>
Extility was created by cloud provider Flexiant to manage
entire virtual data centers, and provides a turnkey cloud
solution aimed at service providers with full API as well as
an extensive web based control panel with integrated billing.
In addition a commodity based SAN solution called Flexisan can
also be provided to remove the need for enterprise storage.<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www8.hp.com/us/en/solutions/solutions-detail.html?compURI=tcm:245-825635"
target="_blank">HP CloudSystem</a></strong><br>
An enterprise oriented commercial solution from HP, designed
for both private, public and hybrid clouds. Designed with
automation in mind and includes a self-service portal with
built in service catalog with support for predefined
templates.<br>
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<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/cloudburst/"
target="_blank">IBM CloudBurst</a></strong><br>
IBM CloudBurst is an enterprise targeted product providing
resource monitoring and cost management through a self service
portal with built in service catalog and prepackaged
templates.<br>
</p>
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<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.incontinuum.com/" target="_blank">Incontinuum
CloudController</a></strong><br>
Commercial solution from the Dutch company InContinuum
Software, that automates and simplifies the management of a
virtual data center.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.nimbula.com/" target="_blank">Nimbula
Director</a></strong><br>
Nimbula Director was created by some of the people behind
Amazons EC2 technology, and aim to provide both enterprises
and service proviers with a simple software solution to build
private, public or hybrid clod infrastructure. Includes both
web administration plus API, and available in a free edition
for smaller deployments.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.novell.com/products/cloud-manager/"
target="_blank">Novell Cloud Manager</a></strong><br>
The Novell Cloud Manager is a commercial solution aimed at
enterprise usage, with utilization tracking, template based
provisioning, VLAN management and built in pricing plus
approval process for provisioning.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.onapp.com/" target="_blank">OnApp</a></strong><br>
OnApp is a turnkey solution aimed specially at hosting
providers, integrating with existing billing solutions widely
used by service providers and providing end user API and
control panel. Originates from the service provider VPS.NET,
but today OnApp is an independent company.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.opennebula.org/" target="_blank">OpenNebula</a></strong><br>
Fully open source solution that provides a set of management
tools with full API and a simple web interface, enabling
organizations to build their own cloud platform around it to
fit their own needs. Commercial solutions with support also
available.<br>
<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.openqrm.com/" target="_blank">OpenQRM</a></strong><br>
Open source solution with commercial support, aiming to
provide a complete data center management platform with focus
on automation, rapid deployment, monitoring and high
availability cloud computing. Support the most common
hypervisors as well as OpenVZ, Virtualbox and LXC.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.openstack.org/" target="_blank">OpenStack</a></strong><br>
OpenStack is an open source project originating from Rackspace
and NASA, aiming to provide more open standards within the
industry. OpenStack includes both a compute and a storage
project.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/iaas/"
target="_blank">Parallels Automation for Cloud
Infrastructure (CI)</a></strong><br>
Cloud Infrastructure from Parallels is part of their
Automation product, intended to automate the provisioning and
management of virtual servers for service providers. Designed
for multi-tenancy and integrated with their billing,
management is available either via control panel or API.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www.vmware.com/products/vcloud/overview.html"
target="_blank">VMware vCloud</a></strong><br>
VMware vCloud solutions are commercial solutions based on
VMwares own hypervisor, making it possible to provide
on-demand, pay-as-you-go infrastructure as a service.<br>
</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.xen.org/products/cloudxen.html"
target="_blank">Xen Cloud Platform (XCP)</a></strong><br>
XCP is an open source solution based on the Xen Hypervisor,
aimed to cover the isolation and security needs of a
multi-tenant deployment. API support as well as some community
driven graphical user interfaces. </p>
</li>
</ul>
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