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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/08/2016 03:38 PM, Dave Cramer
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2016 at 15:33, Alvin Starr
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                <div>At the bottom end you can use virsh/libvirt and
                  virt-manager to handle a small to medium number of
                  VM's over a number of host machines.<br>
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            <div>Ya I was aware of this, works fine for a "couple" <br>
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    Well I run 4 host systems with with about 20 defined VMs but I
    usually only have 5-10 running at any given time.<br>
    It works ok  and is just there out of the box with no worries about
    configuration.<br>
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                  There is also complete distributions like Proxmox that
                  can manage VM's<br>
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                  There are several cloud frameworks that will allow you
                  to build out to large size.<br>
                  I have worked with a number of the OpenStack toolkits
                  and you can get reasonable simple installation using
                  RDO Packstack.<br>
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                  The upside of cloud frameworks over libvirt or proxmox
                  is that you have better isolation between VMs if that
                  is important to you.<br>
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                  The biggest problem is that there is SO much choice
                  and all the products have a lot of capability overlap.<br>
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            <div>Hence the question </div>
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                  Are these 50VMs going to be running at the same time
                  or will it be something like 50 test images and only 1
                  or 2 running at one time?<br>
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            <div>not all on the same host obviously</div>
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    I have a client who has a couple of 768GB of ram systems so 50VMs on
    a box that big would be doable.<br>
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                <div> How may host machines to you expect to have?<br>
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            <div>as required by the VM's </div>
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                  Do you plan to have a separate system to manage and
                  co-ordinate the VMs?</div>
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            <div>I gather this is a good idea?</div>
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    Take a look at RDO packstack. You can start with the --allinone
    install to play and get a feel for how OpenStack works.<br>
    Another solution that I forgot to mention is Mirantis.<br>
    They have an excellent product that installs and manages OpenStack.<br>
    They are primarily trying to sell their services but they are based
    on opensource so you can get a reduced less friendly version from
    the net.<br>
    To their credit if you have a rack full of servers and a Mirantis
    image you can have a working cloud the same day.<br>
    <br>
    If you feel like giving Packstack a try find me off the list and I
    can talk you through getting started.<br>
    <br>
    I searched out the following for a client a couple of years ago and
    I am sure it will put you to sleep tracking them all down and
    searching.<strong></strong><br>
    <strong><br>
      <a href="http://www.abiquo.com/" target="_blank">Abiquo</a></strong><br>
    <ul>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"> Supporting VMware ESX, ESXi,
          Microsoft Hyper-V, Citrix XenServer / Xen, Virtual Box and
          KVM, Abiquo supports all the common virtualization engines.
          Designed for multi-tenancy and available in both a free
          community edition and an enterprise edition with different
          features.<br>
            </p>
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        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.3tera.com/" target="_blank">CA 3Tera
              AppLogic</a></strong><br>
          Commercial platform from 3Tera based on Xen, designed for
          commodity hardware without the need for a SAN due to its
          integrated distributed storage solution. Web interface, API
          and resource metering is included in the AppLogic turnkey
          solution.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
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        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.cloud.com/" target="_blank">Cloud.com
              CloudStack</a></strong><br>
          Designed for multi-tenant solutions with support for
          Xenserver, VM and VMware vSphere. Cloud.com’s CloudStack
          supports billing/metering, web interface, APIs based on
          existing standards and virtual networking with segmentation of
          network traffic into VLANs.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.convirture.com/" target="_blank">Convirture


              ConVirt</a></strong><br>
          Available in an open source and commercial version, both with
          support for thin provisioning, template library, live
          migration while only the commercial version support high
          availability, backup functionality, VLAN integration and
          resource limiting.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.elasticstack.com/" target="_blank">ElasticStack</a></strong><br>
          The ElasticStack platform is offered by cloud provider
          ElasticHosts, designed specially for service providers with
          billing, web administration and API. Removes the need for a
          SAN, but utilizing storage on the local hypervisor nodes.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.enomally.com/" target="_blank">Enomaly
              Elastic Computing Platform (ECP)</a></strong><br>
          Designed for service providers with automation in mind, with
          the ability to integrate with existing billing systems via
          Enomalys API. Includes self-service web interface and support
          for the most common hypervisors, as well as a special feature
          that enables Enomaly providers to sell spare capacity via
          their SpotCloud platform.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.eucalyptus.com/" target="_blank">Eucalyptus</a></strong><br>
          Eucalyptus is an open source cloud platform, available with
          commercial support, that was originally started as a
          university project but since commercialized. Designed to be
          hypervisor agnostic and compatible with the widely used EC2
          API.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.extility.com/" target="_blank">Flexiant
              Extility</a></strong><br>
          Extility was created by cloud provider Flexiant to manage
          entire virtual data centers, and provides a turnkey cloud
          solution aimed at service providers with full API as well as
          an extensive web based control panel with integrated billing.
          In addition a commodity based SAN solution called Flexisan can
          also be provided to remove the need for enterprise storage.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
href="http://www8.hp.com/us/en/solutions/solutions-detail.html?compURI=tcm:245-825635"
              target="_blank">HP CloudSystem</a></strong><br>
          An enterprise oriented commercial solution from HP, designed
          for both private, public and hybrid clouds. Designed with
          automation in mind and includes a self-service portal with
          built in service catalog with support for predefined
          templates.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www-01.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/cloudburst/"
              target="_blank">IBM CloudBurst</a></strong><br>
          IBM CloudBurst is an enterprise targeted product providing
          resource monitoring and cost management through a self service
          portal with built in service catalog and prepackaged
          templates.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.incontinuum.com/" target="_blank">Incontinuum


              CloudController</a></strong><br>
          Commercial solution from the Dutch company InContinuum
          Software, that automates and simplifies the management of a
          virtual data center.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.nimbula.com/" target="_blank">Nimbula
              Director</a></strong><br>
          Nimbula Director was created by some of the people behind
          Amazons EC2 technology, and aim to provide both enterprises
          and service proviers with a simple software solution to build
          private, public or hybrid clod infrastructure. Includes both
          web administration plus API, and available in a free edition
          for smaller deployments.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.novell.com/products/cloud-manager/"
              target="_blank">Novell Cloud Manager</a></strong><br>
          The Novell Cloud Manager is a commercial solution aimed at
          enterprise usage, with utilization tracking, template based
          provisioning, VLAN management and built in pricing plus
          approval process for provisioning.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.onapp.com/" target="_blank">OnApp</a></strong><br>
          OnApp is a turnkey solution aimed specially at hosting
          providers, integrating with existing billing solutions widely
          used by service providers and providing end user API and
          control panel. Originates from the service provider VPS.NET,
          but today OnApp is an independent company.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.opennebula.org/" target="_blank">OpenNebula</a></strong><br>
          Fully open source solution that provides a set of management
          tools with full API and a simple web interface, enabling
          organizations to build their own cloud platform around it to
          fit their own needs. Commercial solutions with support also
          available.<br>
            <br>
        </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.openqrm.com/" target="_blank">OpenQRM</a></strong><br>
          Open source solution with commercial support, aiming to
          provide a complete data center management platform with focus
          on automation, rapid deployment, monitoring and high
          availability cloud computing. Support the most common
          hypervisors as well as OpenVZ, Virtualbox and LXC.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.openstack.org/" target="_blank">OpenStack</a></strong><br>
          OpenStack is an open source project originating from Rackspace
          and NASA, aiming to provide more open standards within the
          industry. OpenStack includes both a compute and a storage
          project.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.parallels.com/eu/products/iaas/"
              target="_blank">Parallels Automation for Cloud
              Infrastructure (CI)</a></strong><br>
          Cloud Infrastructure from Parallels is part of their
          Automation product, intended to automate the provisioning and
          management of virtual servers for service providers. Designed
          for multi-tenancy and integrated with their billing,
          management is available either via control panel or API.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p style="margin-bottom: 0in"><strong><a
              href="http://www.vmware.com/products/vcloud/overview.html"
              target="_blank">VMware vCloud</a></strong><br>
          VMware vCloud solutions are commercial solutions based on
          VMwares own hypervisor, making it possible to provide
          on-demand, pay-as-you-go infrastructure as a service.<br>
            </p>
      </li>
      <li>
        <p><strong><a href="http://www.xen.org/products/cloudxen.html"
              target="_blank">Xen Cloud Platform (XCP)</a></strong><br>
          XCP is an open source solution based on the Xen Hypervisor,
          aimed to cover the isolation and security needs of a
          multi-tenant deployment. API support as well as some community
          driven graphical user interfaces. </p>
      </li>
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Netvel Inc.                   ||   Cell:  (416)806-0133
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