[GTALUG] Seeking help with a unique Linux project?

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Tue Dec 15 13:54:13 UTC 2015 

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> Beyond that, maybe best to take the discussion off-list?

Oh no! Although I'm not able to contribute, I'm learning lots.

- --Bob.


On 15/12/15 11:24 AM, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
> Hi Karen,
> 
> Thanks for the additional details!
> 
> I'm Debian-based these days, with the KXStudio repositories for
> current audio production software and a low latency liquorix
> kernel, though I'm also still running Ubuntu Studio on my home
> desktop.
> 
> 
> One thing that may be a challenge (for which others on the list
> might have more knowledge) is your issue with speech in
> post-Squeeze Linux kernels. For pro audio work, the standard
> Squeeze kernel isn't going to be great... you want a low latency
> kernel if you want notes to play when you press them on a MIDI 
> keyboard, or to be able to play back audio from several instrument
> sources at the same time reliably, nevermind to record any audio
> reliably.
> 
> So I'm not sure how you solve that problem -- an older low latency
> kernel perhaps, which supports your speech hardware requirements
> but also pro audio? I'm not quite sure.
> 
> (Also, are you using JACK yet? That may be another challenge with
> speech software, though an ALSA or Pulseaudio bridge may do the
> trick.)
> 
> 
> Beyond that, maybe best to take the discussion off-list? Feel free
> to email me at blaise at apeironmusic.com.
> 
> 
> Blaise
> 
> 
> On 15/12/15 01:11 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hello Blaise, Thanks so very much in advance for the wisdom I
>> feel sure you can provide. I honestly admit  to being a touch of
>> a singer snob who imagines one can only perform  live with well
>> other live people smiles. So when Bob wrote of your creating, I
>> confess I got rather curious as well. As for command line music
>> making  tools, there are actually rather a few I  am learning.  I
>> am compiling a list with links, since I do not know yet your 
>> distribution of preference, or exactly how you work. Articulating
>> my desires musically may make more sense than the ssh telnet
>> aspect truth be told. In all honesty however, I cannot say with
>> hands on firmness that I can drive the car where I wish to go. I
>> was more of a singer / arranger than a songwriter until the past
>> few years. Now I have all this music I desire moving from the
>> studio in my head and heart onto sheet music, into performing
>> form, as I am sure you can understand. Since I am writing full
>> arrangements, all the parts with my lyrics, I want to play all of
>> the parts, piano, strings, guitar etc.,  that are in my head and
>> then get the completed work into sheet certainly both audio and
>> sheet possibly. How I imagine doing this, is with a quality
>> piano / keyboard that also has several additional instrument
>> options to simulate sound wise for composition only for now at
>> least, the other instrument's for which I am writing. <Still
>> awake?> Now, this is where my visual memory, blended with my lack
>> of first hand Linux experience starts to get a bit...well
>> hopeful. I imagine connecting said piano / keyboard  to the
>> m-audio audiophile 2496 sound card I have in mind,  using any one
>> of the dozen or so tools for the command line I am finding  are
>> included in Debian, writing each part one at a time, putting the
>> piece together, and transferring the completed work to a
>> composing package, you referenced Lillypoind,  which is terrific,
>> but  there are a couple more. I am hunting the instrument along
>> with the talent for the Linux side of my desire. The older the
>> better in a way, I tend to be a buttons kind of girl, not a touch
>>  screen one. Granted I know some keyboards have  multi-track
>> sequencers built in. Letting me <I think?  compose entirely on
>> said keyboard and transfer the finished product...strong emphasis
>> on the  I think. There may be another way that I have not
>> considered, I mean besides the traditional way  of doing the
>> recording, I am a radio producer too, so have pro tools, a mac  a
>> control surface etc. etc. Still I would rather use Linux because
>> I know the composition  programs exist, that i may be able to
>> script in Linux some of what I need...not me, but tap into some
>> sources for this.  There is no real program for composition  mac
>> wise, certainly not going back to the edition I am using to run
>> my pro tools setup. The ssh-telnet aspect simply lets me treat
>> the Linux box like a server, running the commands  from  my main
>> computer where I am already comfortable, both with my speech
>> synthesizer,  and in a small way  with the command line based on
>> my daily use of a comparative Linux shell. Oh that reminds me, I
>> spoke of issues with speech in more  current Linux Kernels.  This
>> is because the ability to use a hardware source for speech no 
>> longer exists in the new ones, like in Jessie.  Only software
>> speech which for me is out of the question. One can compile the
>> new distribution with the older Kennel, but that. is. way!!! 
>> beyond me laughs. Is all this making more sense? Will have those
>> programs for you tomorrow. Thanks for joining the adventure! I
>> likewise thank you Bob for inviting Blaise to the party. Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Blaise Alleyne wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Karen,
>>> 
>>> I don't have very much experience with command line tools for
>>> music in GNU/Linux, barring some pretty simple uses (encoding,
>>> monitoring MIDI notes, making minor edits to sheet music
>>> typeset in Lilypond generated by Rosegarden). But I have taken
>>> a head-first dive into audio production in GNU/Linux over the 
>>> past few years, and I use it for live performance and for
>>> composition and home recording. I'd also be personally
>>> interested in at least some command line tools for doing some
>>> of the things I currently do in GUIs.
>>> 
>>> I don't think I fully understand what you're trying to do (both
>>> musically, or with the SSH component), but hopefully I can be
>>> of some assistance. Very curious to learn more about what
>>> you're hoping to do in case I can help!
>>> 
>>> Regards, Blaise
>>> 
>>> ps thanks for pinging me, Bob!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/12/15 06:38 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>> Wow that must have been amazing.  The Linux audio list at
>>>> yahoo groups is full of people mostly in Europe who use
>>>> command line Linux tools for their music work, some of them
>>>> are authors of packages included. Still it would be fun to
>>>> witness it firsthand. Kare
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Bob Jonkman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At Software Freedom Day we had a great presentation on using
>>>> Free Software for Musical Performance by Blaise Alleyne. He
>>>> was using graphical tools for his performance, but has the
>>>> Music-On-Linux part covered. He may have expertise in
>>>> command-line musical performance tools too. I'll ping him
>>>> with this message.
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder what it would take to convince Blaise to haul his
>>>> studio equipment up to the room at Ryerson to do his
>>>> presentation for GTALUG... :)
>>>> 
>>>> --Bob.
>>>> 
>>>> SFDToronto: 
>>>> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2015/Canada/Toronto/LibrePlanet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On 10/12/15 07:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>>>>> greetings everyone, My name is Karen.  I have only
>>>>>>> recently found this LUG, and joined the talk list. I am
>>>>>>> a professional singer/ songwriter and media producer
>>>>>>> with a unique Linux goal. I wish to make use of the
>>>>>>> varied console or command line based tools in Linux for
>>>>>>> my composition work, and if possible for accessing
>>>>>>> media materials too. I use adaptive technology, which
>>>>>>> is part of why my desire is to ssh telnet into my Linux
>>>>>>> box rather than work with it directly. I tend to prefer
>>>>>>> more traditional tools.  for example one sound card in
>>>>>>> this box will be an m-audio audiofile 2496 production
>>>>>>> card to which I will be attaching my music keyboard.
>>>>>>> In any case while I have some of the tools I require,
>>>>>>> and firm knowledge that my goals are possible. I have
>>>>>>> not, at least not until now, found a Linux users group
>>>>>>> in Toronto where I can get the extra wisdom required. I
>>>>>>> am very used to Linux and UNIX based shell structures.
>>>>>>> I am using one at this moment  based in freedsb, to 
>>>>>>> draft my email, and use another based in Ubuntu for my
>>>>>>> nonprofit media newsroom's hosting account. Such is
>>>>>>> also part of why I want to start with a comparative way
>>>>>>> to use my Linux box.  I would rather begin with a
>>>>>>> foundation where I can make use of and learn more right
>>>>>>> away, than fail to use the Linux box well at all. Let
>>>>>>> me be sure  my post is suitable before both asking and
>>>>>>> answering questions. Thanks in advance, Karen
>>>>>>> 
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