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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14-01-15 10:40 PM, CLIFFORD ILKAY
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/15/2014 10:12 PM, Randy Jonasz
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14-01-15 09:55 PM, Colin
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, William Park <span
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<div class="im">On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 08:39:26PM
-0500, Scott Elcomb wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM, William Park
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<div class="im">> > Come on, guys. This
bitching about TLUG meeting is strange to me and<br>
> > counter productive as group. People come
to the meeting because they<br>
> > want to learning something, and people
don't come to the meeting because<br>
> > they have nothing to learn.<br>
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> People come for other reasons as well. They
also come for the<br>
> community - I hate not making it out more often
than I do.<br>
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> > Heckling and harassment are side issues.<br>
><br>
> On the contrary, people are talking about why
they no longer<br>
> participate in person. If community is the
heart of GTALUG then<br>
> meetings should be the lifeblood. Such topics
should not be dismissed<br>
> out of hand.<br>
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What I mean is, they no longer participate because
they see no need to<br>
come to the meeting (e.g. Linux distros are easy to
install, tons of<br>
info on Web, etc.), and not because there is heckling.
That is, they<br>
are acting in their own self interest.<br>
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For example, if SAP were to present at TLUG and give
free samples of<br>
their software, I'd bet women would be more than happy
to come in garter<br>
belt and sucking on their favourite dildos. I would
attend, too, only<br>
because I normally have to pay to see that.<br>
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<div>William, <br>
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Sigh, the above sort of comment is part of the
problem, not part of the solution...<br>
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I must admit William's comment took me by surprise and shocked
me. But in a free society where free speech is lauded and
exported beyond our borders I must disagree with the
condemnations. Are we to censor ourselves so only anodine
speech is acceptable? Free speech involves the freedom to be
offended. If William wishes to represent himself as someone who
objectifies women as sexual objects so be it. Although he has
my condolences. Poor taste and a lack of judgement is no excuse
for censorship.<br>
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Randy, please refer to GSF#1 in the article Colin posted. While
anyone is free to make a fool of themselves, others are free to
hold them to account and condemn their behaviour. Comments like
the ones made by William only serve to add insult to the original
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Injury is a fact of life and on a list we can choose to ignore any
thread we wish. Expressing distaste for someone's behaviour is
unproblematic but banning from the list is.<br>
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Clifford Ilkay
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Dinamis
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