<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Lennart Sorensen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 12:00:42PM -0400, Paul Tarvydas wrote:<br>
> Correct.<br>
><br>
> Although, it didn't "confuse" me. It just pissed me off.<br>
><br>
> It was like using Windows.<br>
<br>
</div>It's almost the exact opposit of windows. Windows installs all the<br>
features by default and enables them all. Debian installs almost nothing<br>
and does not enable things by default.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Every time I wanted to accomplish something, I needed to install an<br>
> "update". By the time it was finished, I couldn't remember what it<br>
> was I was trying to accomplish.<br>
><br>
> It continuously got in my way.<br>
><br>
> I've been developing real-time embedded software and compilers (not<br>
> linux development, not webserver development / deployment) for a<br>
> living for 30+ years. I need all of the tools to be in place. And<br>
> the "office" and web-client stuff just needs to be there and not<br>
> irritate me.<br>
<br>
</div>Unfortunately what you want is not what everyone wants in a system.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I'm still scratching my head trying to recall what might be considered 'missing' last time I did a Debian install. Other than video drivers and I guess Flash, I really can't think of anything else I had to do to have everything I needed, I mean for a basic working desktop computer and so on. And installing the NVidia stuff now is ridiculously easy on Debian.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>There was definitely nothing missing in terms of 'office and web-client stuff'.</div><div style><br></div><div style>Unfortunately a lot of opinions are formed on vague or unsubstantiated impressions, rather than specific factual experiences. Looking back over this thread, I couldn't see one specific example of a flaw. That is annoying to me, considering the number of negative opinions.</div>
<div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im"><br>
> And, I don't remember specifically what, but stuff in Wheezy and<br>
> Squeeze simply didn't work / crashed (probably youtube related?).<br>
><br>
> Mandriva was far superior in that regard (it was a stable,<br>
> full-featured Windows workstation replacement), except for the<br>
> drama.<br>
<br>
</div>Not that windows includes all those things by default either. Those are<br>
3rd party applications.<br>
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