<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM, William Muriithi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">william.muriithi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"><p> > There were a number of interesting open source smart phone projects taking<br>
> off when android arived. Now there isn't much left of most of them.<br>
> After all this wonderful android open source thing is here now, so no<br>
> need to do these other ones anymore. </p>
</div><p>Think that would have happened either way. The pure open source projects were driven by Nokia and you know what happened to them. So, without android, most likely dormant platform would to Windows. I sincerely wouldn't think of a scenario we would have come out better. </p>
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<p></p></div></blockquote><div>Yep, I think that's a mighty good point.<br><br></div><div>Consider what has happened to the "general purpose" operating system 'market'; between Microsoft salting the earth on the academic side, by hiring away everyone they could that was doing novel OS research (the most critical name being Rick Raschid, of Mach and CMU fame), and pretty actively undermining other OS vendors (VMS->WNT, Novell), and Linux providing a potent "loss leader", there's vanishingly small room in between for the survival of anything else, certainly not OSes that are sold for a profit. (Apple makes their money on other parts of the transaction, much as is true for all of the remaining UNIX(tm) vendors.)<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>As much as I liked the idea of OpenMoko, I don't think it was remotely close to being a mainstream thing. It is amazing to me that they have done any further upgrades to the hardware. It was an interesting proof of concept, but I'm unsurprised that they're near impossible to buy.<br>
<br></div><div>Nokia's flirtation with Linux was also interesting, but they never got *close* to serious enough to bet any of the company on it. The moment things got tough, it was many times more tempting to donate the remains of their future to Microsoft.<br>
<br></div><div>Further, this misses an enormous elephant in the room, namely that the mobile carriers have history of being dramatically controlling of what they allow their supplicants^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hcustomers to have in Their Ultra Proprietary Service.<br>
<br></div><div>It took a paranoid control freak like Steve Jobs, defending the "right" to have a proprietary Apple App Store that wasn't instead a fully-controlled-and-labelled product of each individual carrier to make things arguably a lot more "open" than they were before. (PalmOS was probably also somewhat involved, tho iPhone was the thing that most visibly smashed down barriers at the carriers.)<br>
<br></div><div>The fact that users of Android phones have a capability altogether to install packages that weren't distributed to them by the operator of their mobile network means that there's an "openness" to Android that I don't have to be squinting sideways to pretend I'm perceiving that indicates that it, as deployed platform, is orders of magnitude more "free and open" than things used to be (back in the days pre-iPhone) and generally a lot more "free and open" than is the case for any of the present mainstream phone platforms.<br>
<br></div><div>That doesn't make Android "free as in 'RMS-would-approve'"; with the broad rapacity of the mobile carriers, nothing of that sort was ever likely to be more than a curiosity. I don't think Maemo was "free enough" for RMS' purposes, and I'm not sure that OpenMoko was, either, as I expect they still had proprietary bits as consequence of needing to interface to proprietary radio hardware and the like. <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"><p>><br>
> OpenMoko is still kind of around, and looks vaguely tempting, although<br>
> they sure look stupid. Who designed that case shape.</p>
</div><p>What do you think of Tizen? Open source enough in your opinion? That is the only viable alternative I think has money behind to live.</p></blockquote>I doubt it; that's presumably going to turn out to be filled with Samsung's "tentacles," and I don't see any reason to think they have a cultural affinity to produce open source software in the long run (I'm not thinking of this as a "Korean versus anything else thing; just that Samsung's a huge, tough-competing conglomerate that's not likely to drop everything to become all about OSS).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">If you require your phone to be "truly totally free software," then:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">a) There never have been any mainstream options, OpenMoko being maybe the nearest, and<br>
b) As long as there are hard-competing mobile carriers prepared to throw billions of dollars around to try to destroy their opponents, it's unlikely that any will ever emerge.</div></div></div>