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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually I beg to differ with your assertions. Linux is an operating system, which can be applied to many uses. What you’re saying is that the people that you’ve noted, such as engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc., would not benefit from using Linux. In fact, I feel that these are the target market that developers should be seeking to ensure wider adoption. In other words, Linux is only for high school kids and those without real work to do on their computer. If that’s the case, then I’ll stop using it immediately, since it seems that I have no real use for Linux.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex Gabriel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dimensia Design Studio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>alexgabriel-Nmj6Sl6vboSovDFt+AQlJdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>charles chris<br><b>Sent:</b> April-07-12 10:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TLUG]: New article in the Economist criticizing Linux usability<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hey! Linux is for people who live on Facebook and YouTube. They download videos, songs, copy and make DVD, burn audio CD, perform basic picture and video editing, create resume, etc. Conduct research on the Internet<br><br>They may need Skype to work with an internal webcam: We need hacks here!<br><br>Linux is NOT for graphic artists/desktop publishers/printers, video editors<br>Linux is NOT for tax preparers, financial services people<br>Linux is NOT for engineers who use Autocad <br>Linux is NOT for doctors and lawyers<br>Linux is NOT for the near blind who need ZoomText!<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alex Gabriel <<a href="mailto:alexgabriel-Nmj6Sl6vboSovDFt+AQlJdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org">alexgabriel@dimensiadesign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While I applaud the scale of the vision you put forth, I do see a number of issues that would arise as a result of these deployments, of which three of the most pertinent [in my mind at least] are noted below.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Training – who is going to ensure that the end users are familiar enough with Linux to ensure they continue to use it, and don’t revert to Windows/Mac?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Support – please provide details on the individuals willing to provide ongoing support for 1248 Linux deployments per year.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Compatibility – many programs released today, for which users may or may not have paid money, are developed specifically for a particular platform. Sure, it may be possible to show them that free alternatives are superior to the closed source versions they’ve used, but they will be resistant to such knowledge.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While I think that your plan could work in general, it’s not bloody likely going to do so because, really, most users are accustomed to Windows or Mac OS. As a result, even if you do deploy Linux as much as expected, there’s nothing to prevent an individual user [or large groups of users] from migrating back to an alternate [i.e. more comfortable for them] operating system.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Given the propensity of individuals to resist drastic change, I sincerely doubt such action would have lasting effect, on the scale you’ve envisioned. I see no problem with trying it, of course, I simply think that it won’t reach the proportions you may expect.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex Gabriel</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dimensia Design Studio</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:alexgabriel-Nmj6Sl6vboSovDFt+AQlJdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">alexgabriel-Nmj6Sl6vboSovDFt+AQlJdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>charles chris<br><b>Sent:</b> April-07-12 8:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TLUG]: New article in the Economist criticizing Linux usability</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well I am going to do my part to help deploy Linux. However, I need the help of others.<br><br>I envision weekly deployments onto 2 dozen machines. That's 1, 248 deployments annually. If all local groups could match this pace then 1 million Linux deployments is possible annually nationally or throughout North America.<br><br>I believe weekly 10am - 10pm, 12 hour shifts should produce 24 Linux deployments onto computers brought in by the general public.<br>These Linux deployments would be offered as free computer repairs.<br><br>That's 1 million new Linux users each year!<br><br>So far I have deployed Linux onto 4 computers (1 mac and 3 PCs) belonging to 4 different paying customers. Feedback so far has been positive!<br><br>Remember my image of Linux is barely 30 days old!<br><br>Another high growth usage market would be Africa, the Caribbean, China, India, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:30 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier <<a href="mailto:hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>| From: charles chris <<a href="mailto:cccharlz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target="_blank">cccharlz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>| The usage of Linux can be greatly increased by providing an easy<br>| deployment method to computer stores, recyclers and non profits like<br>| Free Geek Toronto and Computers for schools in Mississauga.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is the second message where you seem to be saying:<br><br>1) "what Linux needs is X"<br><br>2) as if that were the answer to the problems listed in the Economist<br> column<br><br>3) where X is already the case<br><br>Perhaps you need to phrase your answers in the form of a question<br>"Does Linux have X?".<br><br>As I understand it, Free Geek does deploy Linux on their used<br>computers.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>| Many computer stores do NOT load Windows on used computers because<br>| they cannot afford the license fees.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't know. Used computers aren't that common in stores -- new<br>computers are so inexpensive now and old computers are usually weaker<br>/ obsolete.<br><br>There are a few places that sell off-lease computers. They don't load<br>OSes because it is labour intensive (off lease computers that I've<br>bought usually have stickers with Windows licenses).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>| Recyclers and non profit<br>| organizations like Computers for Schools in Mississauga and Reboot<br>| Canada should deploy Linux onto the computers they donate or sell.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think that they do. It scares Microsoft enough that they have a<br>program for cheap or free licenses for some operations like this just<br>to crowd out Linux.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>| Also, good support is needed to help people with Linux boxes install<br>| peripherals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Labour intensive!<br><br>These days, skilled labour to deal with that kind of random minutae<br>would seriously increase the cost of a used computer.<br><br>The arithmetic of recycling most things is like this. When producing<br>a computer in the first place, the runs are 10k to a million (pure<br>guess), resulting in economies of scale. With recycling computers, you are<br>lucky if you get any run at all. Think of Walmart vs Value Village --<br>the run lengths have drastic effects.<br><br>The hardest computers to deal with are the most worthless: the oldest.<br>Although I use computers that are a dozen years old, it makes no<br>practical sense to redeploy a machine older than perhaps four years<br>old. As a hobby, the rules are different (my oldest hobby computer is<br>approaching 40 years old; older if you count my sliderules).<br><br>There are stores that sell used Macs. I think that this is viable because<br><br>1) the Mac world has much less diversity than the PC world<br><br>2) Macs retain their value much more than PCs<br><br>3) the stores selling used computers gain an edge selling new ones<br> since they can offer to take the old ones in trade.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>| I believe my method of deploying operating systems onto standalone<br>| computers is most efficient. See <a href="http://drpcdr.ca/LMLXDE.pdf" target="_blank">http://drpcdr.ca/LMLXDE.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A pretty strong claim. Since you haven't even enumerated let alone<br>discussed other methods, I find that hard to credit.<br><br>Do you know the other methods? Heard of Kickstart? PXE booting? Live<br>Fedora or Ubuntu CDs? And there are plenty more.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--<br>The Toronto Linux Users Group. 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