<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">HP sells a solid quad Opteron box, and if you don't require quad, the list grows from there. But, as I said before, if you don't _need_ 64 bit, why bother?<DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Since you haven't said anything about what you plan to do with this box, it'd be silly to comment further.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">__________________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Andrew Hammond 416-673-4138 <A href="mailto:ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org">ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">DBA, Afilias Canada Corp. Ltd.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">CB83 2838 4B67 D40F D086 3568 81FC E7E5 27AF 4A9A</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 28-Apr-06, at 15:53, Phillip Qin wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">But all the servers Dell offers use the EM64T. I have no choice. The port does say “</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The port consists of kernels for all AMD 64bit CPUs with </SPAN><I style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-style: italic; "><SPAN style="font-style: italic; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-style: italic; ">AMD64</SPAN></SPAN></I><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> extension and all Intel CPUs with </SPAN><I style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-style: italic; "><SPAN style="font-style:italic; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-style: italic; ">EM64T</SPAN></SPAN></I><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> extension, and a common 64bit userspace.”.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-size: 13.3333px; "><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org [<A href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org">mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</A>] </SPAN><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of </SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Andrew Hammond</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> April 28, 2006 3:38 PM</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A href="mailto:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org">tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</A></SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [TLUG]: EM64T and linux</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang="EN-US"><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On 28-Apr-06, at 13:35, Phillip Qin wrote:</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); " type="cite"><P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 221); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It says "compilation time optimization uses a common base for AMD64/EM64T instead of legacy i386 cruft" but doesn't mention anything else about the EM64T. I am not familiar with the new 64-bit technology but I will give it a try.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In a hacking environment, cool. But for production, if you don't _need_ 64 bit, why deal with the headaches? </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">If you do need 64 bit, don't buy a Xeon to run it on.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Drew</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-----Original Message-----</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">From: </SPAN><A href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "> [</SPAN><A href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">] On Behalf Of Christopher Browne</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Sent: April 28, 2006 1:27 PM</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">To: </SPAN><A href="mailto:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Subject: Re: [TLUG]: EM64T and linux</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">On 4/28/06, Phillip Qin <</SPAN><A href="mailto:Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">> wrote:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">> I know I shall post it to debian's user list. But does anyone know whether</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">> Debian 3.0 woody supports Intel EM64T architecture? I am trying to order a</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">> server. But Dell only ships Xeon with EM64T architecture.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Do you want to run it as a 32 bit system? Or 64 bit?</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">If you run in 32 bit mode, then it shouldn't present any particularly</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">special problems.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It may be more interesting in 64 bit mode, as Debian/AMD-64 has been</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">released recently...</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><A href="http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/" target="_blank"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/</SPAN></A></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 13.3333px; ">--</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size="2"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; 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