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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It would be a replacement for my aging web
server.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Hammond<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> April 28, 2006 4:58 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [TLUG]: EM64T and
linux</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>HP sells a solid quad Opteron box, and if you don't require quad, the
list grows from there. But, as I said before, if you don't _need_ 64 bit, why
bother?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Since you haven't said anything about what you plan to do with this
box, it'd be silly to comment further.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Andrew Hammond
416-673-4138 <a
href="mailto:ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org">ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw@public.gmane.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>DBA, Afilias Canada
Corp. Ltd.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>CB83 2838 4B67 D40F
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 28-Apr-06, at 15:53, Phillip Qin wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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text-align:auto;-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none;-apple-text-size-adjust: auto;
orphans: 2;widows: 2;word-spacing:0px'>But all the servers Dell offers use the
EM64T. I have no choice. The port does say “</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'>The port consists of kernels for all AMD 64bit CPUs with <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>AMD64</span></i> extension and all Intel CPUs with <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>EM64T</span></i> extension, and a common 64bit
userspace.”.</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;color:black'> owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org [<a href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org">mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Hammond</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b>
April 28, 2006 3:38 PM</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org">tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</a></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b>
Re: [TLUG]: EM64T and linux</span></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </O:P></span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On 28-Apr-06, at 13:35, Phillip Qin wrote:<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color="#0000dd"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0000DD'>It says
"compilation time optimization uses a common base for AMD64/EM64T instead
of legacy i386 cruft" but doesn't mention anything else about the EM64T. I
am not familiar with the new 64-bit technology but I will give it a try.</span></font></span><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 221); font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><font
color="#0000dd"><span style='color:#0000DD'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </O:P></span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>In a hacking environment, cool. But for
production, if you don't _need_ 64 bit, why deal with the headaches? <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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class=apple-style-span><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><font
size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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class=apple-style-span><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If you do need 64 bit, don't buy a Xeon to
run it on.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Drew<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>-----Original Message-----</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></font></span><font size=2
color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a
href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><span class=apple-style-span><span
style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</span></span></a><span
class=apple-style-span> [</span><a href="mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><span
class=apple-style-span><span style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</span></span></a><span
class=apple-style-span>] On Behalf Of Christopher Browne</span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Sent: April 28, 2006 1:27 PM</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To: </span></font></span><font size=2
color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a
href="mailto:tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org"><span class=apple-style-span><span style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4@public.gmane.org</span></span></a></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [TLUG]: EM64T and linux</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>On 4/28/06, Phillip Qin <</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><a
href="mailto:Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org"><span class=apple-style-span><span
style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>Phillip.Qin-szgMhqSEIEG+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org</span></span></a><span
class=apple-style-span>> wrote:</span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> I know I shall post it to debian's
user list. But does anyone know whether</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Debian 3.0 woody supports Intel EM64T
architecture? I am trying to order a</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> server. But Dell only ships Xeon with
EM64T architecture.</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Do you want to run it as a 32 bit
system? Or 64 bit?</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>If you run in 32 bit mode, then it
shouldn't present any particularly</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>special problems.</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>It may be more interesting in 64 bit mode,
as Debian/AMD-64 has been</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>released recently...</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'><a href="http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/" target="_blank"><span
class=apple-style-span><span style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/</span></span></a></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>--</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'><a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html"
target="_blank"><span class=apple-style-span><span style='-khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline'>http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html</span></span></a></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>"The true measure of a
man is how he treats someone who can do him</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2 color=black><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>absolutely no good." -- Samuel
Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)</span></font><font color=black><span
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